16 Foot Sasquatch of the Willamette Valley with Kyle McDonald

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1:01 How's it going, man, Oh, it's going great. I'm glad to be here, really glad to have it that you're having me on there on here to talk. About this absolutely. I mean, dude, you've had some some wild things happen over the years, So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to let you have at it. We might be doing conversations along the way, but for the most part, the floor is yours, my friend. Well, you know, it's this whole thing started like twenty years ago. I we I live out here in Dexter. It's all forest around here, and my buddies would go out and get fired what every year, and so like basically we were out there one day and it felt really strange out there, and we were just like, wow, it's really quiet and really weird. And uh, I never even thought about like Bigfoot, honestly, Like it was never a thing in my brain that was a joke that would be lived on the top of a mountain somewhere anyways.

2:03 So then like we just like went back to what we were doing, cutting wood, and then I saw like this movement up on this hill and I looked up and it was like this head and shoulders around the stump, and it was like trying to like I don't know if it was trying to rip the stump out, but it was like going back and forth really fast, and it was like, I don't know, like people talk about that swaying thing what they do and they're agitated or whatnot, and it was doing that but super fast, and I was like, what is that? And my friend saw another one that I didn't see, but he said he saw it, but he was looking at a different one. Later he explained to me, So we saw two different ones at the same time, and it was like right then, I was like, man, that sent me into like that's Bigfoot.

2:45 So now I know that Bigfoot's real and it sent me into this like I was obsessed. Like I was like, like I had to know more. So we started going out every day, and you know, when I first started this whole thing, and like I didn't know what I was looking for or anything, Like I just knew I was trying to find a big, giant, black thing walking through the forest. And you know, with that kind of mindset, you're never gonna find anything. Like so I would take I got cameras, video cameras, and I would like, you know, just start going out taking pictures of just everywhere I could maybe think of that there was one like anywhere and everywhere. And I got a lot of good pictures, but I didn't I never saw like anything. When I was getting the pictures, I'd have to go back and look through and you know, like see them, see them in the pictures or whatever. And and as I went, as I got, you know, more and more into it, like I just I realized the better that the more I learned about them, the harder the pictures to get of them. Where It's like the more I learned, the less I could get on you know, documented or whatever.

3:57 And so that was kind of it's weird. That's an one weird thing. There's a lot of weird things. All of it's weird. But then I was like, we're going way out in the woods and stuff, and I was like, you know, just learning, Like why would you just sit for long times? We'd just be quiet and listen and like, I don't know, it wasn't It was really mild at first. And then I was like, Okay, if they're out here, I live in you know, this little area that why couldn't they be like right here and right down the street. From my house is like these uh there's a creek and these tunnels that they will the water can run through. They're like, I don't know, they're probably maybe like twenty feet tall. They're big enough to drive a car through. There's five of them, and they go through a little ways.

4:38 So right there is on the top of those are the railroad tracks and so it's like it's really forested right there, a great area, and it always has felt like energy was there and everything. But so what I started doing was I started going up there and uh, you know, just just trying to leaving food from the food box that they had here. They'd give away like fruits and vegetables, and I'd take as much as I could, and I'd hike up there and i'd leave the food in the spot. And for a while, nothing happened, and it would just like rod away. And then then it started gott getting taken and I just didn't know. And I mean, this is quite a while ago, so it's hard to remember exactly how all the like details about things like that. It's kind of a little bit of a blur. The beginning of it was. But then, uh, I left my camera there one day to record up this hill right by where I left the food, and and on the on this tape you see the because I didn't believe it then, but now I know the bigfoot.

5:42 They can they can disappear. They can literally just disappear, but you can still see where they're at by the movement of the bushes. And so you see from as soon as I leave the camera there you see one like this movement coming down through the bushes all the way down to this bottom of the hill. I don't know, maybe like fifty meter a little bit more from my camera, and then there's this like white flashing thing. It looks like something's churning in a circle. I don't know what it was. I still have never figured out what it was, but like it flashes and it goes fast, then it'll go slow, and then you'll see and it's like they did a shift switch where they like way came down.

6:23 That thing was like spinning, blinking, and then you see it like another I don't know if it was another one of the same one, go back up and you see the bushes lifting as it goes through. And then it happened like two or three times. But then you start seeing like this little face and the glowing eyes, because their eyes glowing in the daytime and as well as nighttime without any light. And then I was like blown away about that. So then I was just like started going around down there. From my house. It was like maybe like a six minute walk from my house, but Dexter is a big, giant square, It's like probably two and a half miles around, And so I started walking around all over the town just kind of like, you know, checking things out because I've lived there forever, but now that this bigfoot thing was in my mind, it was like a whole different world to me. And I started seeing all these little signs, like footprints, and like there's like swirl marks where they walked through the grass.

7:20 I don't know what they other, they like twirl the grass or whatever. I don't know what it was, but it was strange. And then the stick structures, you know, like the branches broke into exites in different shapes, and I started seeing all that, and I learned that they would come. I learned their little their route, you know, they would come from the mountain, go down across the highway to the lake, go down in that area, and then come back up through this park called Elijah Bristow and go back up through and back to the mountain. And I caught onto that and I was just like I was thought I was and I was obsessed with it, and I was like every day, every night walking around just like out in the woods, just trying to to gure this thing out, like because I wanted to know more.

8:02 And uh, I needed somebody to talk to because I thought I was going nuts because like I was finding out all this stuff about how these things lived right like right around us, like basically with us, but yet no one noticed anything, no one ever said anything. And I was just like, so I I got a hold of h I you know, looked online for someone to talk to, and I couldn't really you know, everyone's just kind of like Bigfoot Society or the whatever the I can't remember the name of it, like, uh, the Bigfoot guys research guys. And I was just like, you know, all that's cool and everything, but I just I don't know, I didn't really want to be like that mainstream about it. So I went I found Lamott Valley Bigfoot Society, which is you know, around this area, and I just put a couple of pictures that I'd take. I'd taken of some of the footprints and like tree structures and stuff, and Mike Botowitz got a hold of me and he's like, man, you have some really good stuff. Can I come to your spot? I said, heck, yeah, man, let's go. So he came out and he had never had any bigfoot experiences, but uh, like uh, he came out and we went up to the spot and this I got to say that I skipped out on like a little bit of time, like a couple of years since I had started doing it. It went by because really it didn't get much. I just would go out take pictures and just like kind of leave canvas and here and there, and I've got some good great pictures and audio and stuff. But like just

9:33 the interactions with them, it was like a we grew like this hidden like unfiend bond, I guess you would call it, where I didn't really see them much, but like they would never show themselves purposely to me, but I could. I learned how to see them by just like sitting and watching and like watching the change of things and the way they would move. It would be like so slowly and it's almost like you're you have to like rub your eyes and say it, man, am I really seeing this because it's like moving so slow, but it's getting bigger and bigger, this black spot. So that right there is how I would like, you know, I figured out how to see them. And they also make a noise that you know, it sounds like a rainstick.

10:14 You know those stick full of beads that you turn upside down and it like trickles the beads down in it. It sounded a lot like that, Like they said, make it sound. That's just like that. It's crazy. And that's how I would know that when they're around, is that sound will just start up out of nowhere and I'm like, oh, there they are sores. Back to the with Mike. I took him up and I had already had a few like experiences where they would like you know, throw things and like do knocks and break the branches around me and stuff, and so I was like, you know, basically I was used to that kind of thing, and so I took him out and I was I said, I can't promise you anything, because whenever you tell somebody that you're gonna take him squatching, you just it it turns out like when you tell him that nothing happens, and it makes you look like you're crazy. So I said, I can't promise you anything, but I mean I'm gonna take you and show you where I go and what you know, I'll tell you what happens to me and well to see what happens. So anyways, we went out and uh, in his book, you can he talks about that all this stuff too, but he like, Uh, we went out and we were just like walking and then we heard this big pre branch break and uh, I was like, see there they are. They're here. That's awesome, and uh he was so excited, like he was a little kid in the candy store, and uh and I was just loving it because I love, you know, sharing that with people. I love seeing the like them where I was, you know, with that excitement and like, uh,

11:45 just the pure like amusement on their face when they were actually realized that, you know, it's not just a thing that we're trying to figure out. It's here and it's now. It's a whole different game. And uh so we went out, we sat down and uh, I tried. I was like, let's go in. Let's go in there a little bit so we can get some get it to get closer. And he was like, I don't know, man, he was he was pretty like shaking up about it. But he finally finally got him in there and we sat down, we were talking, and then this rock came right over us and landed right in front of us, and I was like, there you go. And he was like that right there changed his life. He was like he went from there and he just went crazy. And we went out a couple more times and talked a bunch, and then he went kind of on his own thing and just became like his own world with it, and I didn't just kept doing what I was doing. But my big problem is is, uh, I have a It scares me. You know, these guys they're scary to me.

12:43 I mean, the male that I took a picture of that is around is the little male of the family group that is around my area that I've kind of been interacting with per se for these years, is like he's like sixteen feet tall. I mean he's not They're not little. And I've heard other people talk about on the podcast that and it's like these things are freaking It's crazy. When you see one move, it like your stomach turns because it's like when they run. I mean it just like it's like a smear, that's how fast they are. My job is I drive around two different buildings and rex sites to you know, clean them and make sure that they're kept up. And I mean that takes me out into all these differences, like all over Oregons, these different out in the middle of nowhere places. So it's it's really cool to do that. But uh, that was like the perfect job for It's the perfect job for me because I can drive around and squatch at the same time I'm working. And uh yeah, So I mean I've got lots of different things that have happened around this area. I started walking around Dexter at night, and uh, of course I'd have my I had a friend with me that was from the beginning, and he went with me and he did everything with because I, like I said, the same scare me so bad sometimes because it's like, you know, you just get these feelings and they can like there's so much more to them than people would probably think if they haven't experienced it.

14:11 It makes things really weird. And so my buddy would go with me all the time, and I would go wherever I would go in Dexter, I would hear this dog barking, but it was the same dog and like the same distance for me no matter where I would go. And so and it happened that followed me for a long time. And then I lived in a little trailer behind my grandma's house on two acres, and it was, you know, a big square place, and my trailer was right in the smack middle of the field. And so they would I after I would leave food there for a while, and I started, you know, they started eating it, but they would take them three days to touch it. And I would leave peanut butter there and I would take like when I first started that, I would leave the jar. I would show, I take a stick, dip it in the peanut butter, and eat some off the steak and say that you know mean good this is you know this is good. It's not bad for you.

15:03 And I'd set the stick down next to the peanut butter jar, and I'd put the lid back on and I'd leave. And so I found the jar. I went back three days later, and I would find the jar open, or sometimes I wouldn't find the jar until later down the road, Like it would be like, you know, down they would drop it into the creek and it would float down and stuff. But it had stick marks in it, and it was empty, and the stick was placed right back against the rock where I left it. So it was like, hey, we're ready for more. But so once I started feeding them and I started like they started eating it, it was like then they would come to my house and uh, you know, they're they're not there's a lot of you know, there's quite a bit of people right in that little area. I mean, it's not like a city, but it's like, you know, there's people doing things all day in that little area.

15:54 Big for a society who would be right back after these messages. So they would wait till evening, and then I had like a little like one of the corner of my property was like a little forested area, and that's where they would come through because it went straight from the creek through my neighbor's yard into this little wooded area and then into my yard. And so they would start coming to my place at night and I could hear them, like I'd be sitting there in my trailer and I could hear them stomp by. Sometimes they would like smack something off the side of my trailer really loud and like give me a little heart attack. And my dogs we had three dogs, and my dogs would go out there.

16:48 They'd come running out barking sometimes, and then they would sit there, all three of them in a little row, and they would stare at that corner all night long, not making a sound. It worried me a little bit because it's like, what's wrong with them? Like they were hypnotized. They would stare all night long into that corner. And I mean, I definitely know now that Bigfoot they can manipulate things and they can get anything to do what they want pretty much. I mean, it's it's it's I'm still trying to figure that one out. Like they can use animals and manipulate them and all that kind of stuff. But it just gets just got crazier from there. Like I mean, uh so, what I would do is I would record, you know, the best as I could. I didn't have night vision then, but I would. They would surround my property. There was eight of them. They would surround my property and I and just like watch and like something, you know, come through. And it depends on like, you know, how active I was, you know, doing things and uh and so uh jeez. I like in the morning, right before it got light, I would go out and I would start recording the around the edge of my property, and as it got light, you could see them shake bushes to each other and then they would just be gone, like one. It would start at one corner of the property and then one bush would shake and then it would do like a little sequence all the way to the other side of the property, all of them signaling each other that maybe it was time to go. And you could see the little eystein. There was little ones too then and then there was a big white one.

18:20 And so there's one time when me and my buddy went up to like I don't know, it's like a ten minute walk from my house, right up from the spot where I feed him on the tracks, and he couldn't see very well, but he said that if I saw anything with my camera that he would walk to it as I recorded, and I'd keep my camera on it. And so we did this walk through this little old logging road thing that they did. We walked down it and then we turn around at the end of it, and we walked right back through. And so we walked back through and I just got I was feeling something so hard that day. When we walked back through and we got to the top of it, the backs were we started at the road and I turned around and I see movement on my camera, but I couldn't like tell what I was looking at. So I was like telling him, and he's like, all right, well, keep your camera on, I'll walk back down there. And he walked down the road halfway and stopped and he's like this good.

19:15 I'm like, yeah, sure that works. But I could see movement happening all over the place and like so I was just like he he came back and I was just I was like whatever. So we went back and I watched the video and it flew my mind because I had a whole family on that video that I did not see at that moment when I was filming it. But I saw something I just couldn't figure out what. But as he watched the video, I mean, it's called video eight to my eighth video that I did, and it was epic because this male bigfoot that I was seeing the movement of was walking ahead of his family that he had behind him, and his was coned, and so whenever he would come up, the cone of his head would push the bushes up just enough where he could see his nostrils and his eye, and his nostrils and his eye were big as my friend's upper body.

20:02 And this thing was massively huge. And so I was like, holy crap. And then in that video, I have a white one with a baby looking around a tree. I have another one that's like up in this tree, and he shakes the whole tree like just real quick. An oak tree, you know, they're hard to shake if and this whole oak tree just went one shake, one jostle of it, and it was like wow. And so I posted that video on Facebook a long time ago just and uh, that's you know. I showed Mike that video and then he I told his friend Darren Richardson, who's friends with Autumn Williams, which she wrote the book Enoch the Bigfoot Story, And so she had Darren get a hold of me to get my number. She wanted to come check out my place too, but she never got a hold of me. Something happened. I'm not sure what happened, but so yeah, I mean, that video is epic. I still have that. I've been like holding that video like so dear and like because that video right there, and it's on a high eight too, and that video is like wow. And I've got a few more videos that have like so much good stuff, like oh man, I've got and I didn't like a lot of it. I didn't even realize I caught, which is funny.

21:13 I have a lot of questions about this, this one part especially, did you say, Aaron Richardson. Darren Darren okay, Darren. Yeah, so you're saying, first off, is your footage anywhere to watch on the internet? You said Facebook. I posted it a long time ago, and I don't. I wouldn't know how to find it there now because it's like I have a different account and everything. I lost that account. Man. Yeah, but I have the video. I just don't have a way to play it because of my high eight camera is broke. This isn't on YouTube or anything. This is just you have the high eight camera and you have high eight tape or yeah wow, okay.

21:58 But yeah, I've got twenty seven video. Oh wow. Yeah, and all those videos are just like blitch, not all of them, some of them are like all the one just like I'd set my camera up and just film into one area for the whole two hours it could film. But a lot of them are just places like I'd film for a little bit on one place and I'd stop and then if I see seeing something, I would just start recording. So I've got tons of places times of like oh my gosh, yeah, audio recordings everything. Have you ever considered making a YouTube channel? I yeah, I did, but then I mean it's I actually have Actually I want to make a YouTube channel. I just wanted to. I just wanted to make it something you know, worth you know, watching, like interesting enough to where people watch it, because so many people have big foot YouTube you know. And it's like, I know, personally, like so many big foot YouTube channels. I don't even bother watching them because it's like I live that. Why I am not going to watch someone else, you know what I mean.

22:57 That's really yeah, that's interesting. Yeah hmmm, I think that. And I know it's a lot of work, especially if you're on high eight. I've never tried to transfer that before know what that entails. But I think a lot of people might find that interesting, especially you're saying you have hours and hours and hours of footage on this high Yeah, that has never been really seen except for a little bit on Facebook. Way way back. You said Mike saw it, and Mike said it was interesting. Yeah, and Autumn Williams saw it too, and that's what Moe. I want to like, come to my spot. Yeah, because it's a it's a super epic video. Like I did not even realize. And did I show you that picture when I met with you at bnokas that bigfoot kind of walking away from me.

23:44 Yeah, that was really It was really quick and I was really taken aback by. I was like, whoa, what what is this about? But it was a very hot day, so I was like what is this? Yeah, yeah, that's that Mail I was talking about. He is sixteen feet. I mean the guys. I've got him on a few different occasions and he was coming. He would come in my backyard too. I got his face. I got a shot of his face that's really good. It looks like he looks like almost like a lion Rosschween moorson and a lion. Yeah. What did you used to take that that photo? I had a nikon Like it looks like a cannon, but it's a Nikon. I had a Nikon camera that took really good pictures for a long time, and it something happened. You steered away from like camera, Yeah, yeah, I kind of I took it with a cannon, but I've kind of steered away a little bit from cameras as much like I still try to take pictures, but I know that where I want to get with him.

24:48 I just now it was like recently have started being comfortable enough to where I'll get out and at night and go, you know, on walk out from my car because years, for years, me and my buddy would just go in the car at night and go out in the woods and just sit and listen, and like, you learn a lot by doing that, and a lot of crazy stuff has happened to us just doing that. Like you know, you go to the same spots over and over again, and like this, you know, like for instance, I would take I did this little experiment where I have this spot, but I would take different people, Like I would take my girlfriend at the time, and then I would take my buddy that would he started the whole thing with me, and each person that I would take had a different response. From them. So like, let's say it when I took my ex girlfriend, like we'd be sitting there and a pebbles would bounce off the car.

25:38 But when I would take my buddy that was started it with me, Like they would come by the car and like run sticks down it or like you know, jiggle the antenna, and it was the same reaction each time I brought that same person. So it's like each person had their own little experience that was different. Kyle, I saw that happen in Oakridge in a certain area, and it's like it all depended on the intention of the person that was there, if they were how open they were to it. It was it changed my life when I saw that in actual in real life. Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, dude. It was wild. Yeah, And there's like there's so many things that they like.

26:22 It truly is like I've taken people out there where they just like you stop your car and you go to get out, and it's like, oh no, we got it. Lists just go. We can't be here. Like there's just some people that they do not want and there's some people that they won't make anything. You'd be like make yourself look like a fool trying to take someone out sometimes because it just will not nothing will happen absolutely, and it's just it depends really on the person's intention and what they're Like, I really it's like a dog, you know that bigfoots will tell you how a person really is or something like that. Almost you know, Yeah, that's that's a great way to put it. What was the one thing you feel that really set you into it? And I'm using your own words here, that the one thing that happened that set you off into feeling like I feel like I'm nuts.

27:13 Oh, just like the things I would hear, and like the things I would start seeing, and like all these things I was figuring out like by you know, like right around us, Like am I like because someone else had to have noticed it, because I'm like finding all these like tree structures that are really obvious, and like you know, footprints everywhere, and like these noises at night of like yelling and like just crazy sound like I don't know, it's just all these things. And I was like, you know, I'd try to like show pictures I took to people and they would be like they couldn't see exactly what I would see and I'd be like, all right, what the hell? And just some people just won't let it in because I think if they once you let it in, it like you know, you actually start thinking or knowing it's real, then it's like you can't change that is forever. And so people are scared, and so they won't let it in so that they don't have to, you know, be scared it does.

28:14 I agree with that one hundred percent as well. It becomes very very interesting very quickly. Was there a situation where that made you start thinking that you could talk to them directly out loud. I've noticed you've You've mentioned that a few times, where you you talk to them directly out loud. Oh, I do that every time. I do it because, uh, partly because it's if I just listen and don't talk, I feel like I'm being like almost disrespectful, and like it's because I'm scared. And so when I when I get scared, i'll sing or i'll you know, i'll talk, you know, to them to make myself feel a little bit better and to you know, so I know, I'm pretty sure that they can understand what we say. And if you say it with the you know, with with your feelings as well, then you know they they'll get it because they can tell what you're thinking. I mean, there's no doubt about that. And I've had the mind speak thing happened to me too, at least once. When I was in my trailer in that field, I was kind of like I was like dozing off and I was sitting there, I was thinking about them, and I was dozing off, and as I was like right when, I kind of like went in between sleep and like you know, like that trance you get into where you kind of like autopilot whatever, like it was, I there was like a group of them standing there in my mind, and I was like, why are you guys here? And I answered myself with my voice, but it was a deeper voice, and it was like, we're here to watch you.

29:40 And I said why and they never answered me. And that was the only time I ever had anything like that happened. But I mean, we were we we used to go out, Me and my buddy would go out every night, like for years and in the woods and there's different spots all around Dexter that are would have different like things happen. So we'd sit. We'd be sitting there in the dark listening and you know we'd fall asleep like in our seats, and uh, like a couple of times we got woke up to fingernails tapping on the window and uh like, uh, he he had his window down because he wasn't scared. First say, he was scared, but he wasn't. Like he would always like push it and he would like he had his arm hanging out the window and stuff and he would like nod out and uh he said one time he woke up and one had like pressed his arm with his finger really hard, and uh he said he woke up to like his arm being pushed and he's like whoa, whoa, whoa, And like that was We got out of there right after that.

30:37 But like we'd be sitting there sometimes and they would like walk by and go like it was crazy. I mean so many things like sticks hitting my car out of nowhere so hard that would like move the car. And yeah, I mean there's just so many things. And like I started go, you know, going everywhere around out here to try to, you know, just to see what I could experience. Big for society would be right back after these messages.

31:18 And I mean I've got I would find giant piles of sticks out in the middle, like way out in the woods, like you know where people wouldn't do something like this, like you know, pile like nine foot high piles of sticks like they were cleaning up or something. And then, uh, so here's a crazy thing is you know, we don't have jack rabbits here in this part of Oregon. There's just no jack rabbits. And they're like over in the eastern Oregon. And uh, there's right right in between Dexter and Ochres there's this rest stop and it's got this really tall like a vent thing that you know for the from the toilets, and I'd say it's probably feet up. And uh we pulled in there one night and uh I looked up and there was a jack rabbit on the top of that vent and I knocked.

32:11 I grabbed a stick and I knocked it off of there. I was like what And it had it looked like something a big handed squeezed it and carried it and it had a big imprint on it. I have pictures of it, but it looked like something. So something had carried that in its hand from Eastern Oregon where they have jack rabbits is all I can think of. And then it's like that was crazy to me. That was a really weird situation there. No, it was dead. Wow, that is super weird. And then when I started realizing that they can get in your head is we were coming up one night. So if you come up from the Highway fifty eight, you go straight up and then you take a right and it goes down this road called Rogers and it's about a mile all the way, you know, the whole road, and it's a straight straight away. And so we were coming up one night and then sorry, it's a straight away and then you take it right down to the end of it. So we were coming up from Highway fifty eight one night and we were about to turn onto that road and these two flashlights came from behind the church is that's up there, and then it like these two flashlights came out looked and then the jetted across the road and it was like what was that because it's this big black thing with the two flashlights, you know, which was its size, and we were like whoa.

33:27 So my buddy that was driving like sped up to try to see if we could see it and it was it was gone, like he just it went. Seriously. It was weird. That's what made my stomach feel where it's like nothing's supposed to move like that. That was really really weird. So we went down to my house and we were there for twenty minutes, and then we came back up the same way and as we turned onto that road again and it was standing in the middle of the road up towards the top and it was just waiting for us. It knew we were coming back that way, and so it when we finally turned the corner and we've seen its eyes up there waiting. It like ran across the road three different and it never bounced once. They have this way about them where they can stay completely level and you know, like we walk, we have like a up and down type of movement.

34:11 They don't. They have a straight like they stay at one level. Their head will stay so they can be like a it's the extra hinge in their foot. I guess you know where we have a bridge, they have a hinge, right, so they can. It takes away that whole bounce movement and they walk properly. You know, if you ever find bigfoot tracks, you know if it's real or fake. By if the tracks are in a straight line and it's just one line, then you know you've got real bigfoot tracks. If they're side by side, then it's probably someone trying to be funny. Absolutely, before I forget, do you have, I'm just gonna ask you a few things just maybe people can help in the comments. Do you have like a home computer or anything you use?

34:56 I have. I have a laptop and that's I just I literally have my life top just to put my big foot stuff on. It's uh right now, it's a it's one of those big gaming laptops. It's like it's an ASIS. It's a it's a it's a little bit older, but it's a really big boxing thing. It's like a for gaming. So it's got a lot of memory on it. Three hard drives so PC. Yeah, what kind of ports does it have on the side? One second? Take a look here. Well it's got it's got all the standard ports that the normal laptop has.

35:39 I mean it's got all of it's got HP mine, it's got like a USB and all that other stuff. Okay, so listeners, if you can think of a way that he can use that to take footage from high eight tapes and put it on his computers so he could put it somewhere else, put it in the comments on YouTube, and maybe we can figure out a way that he can actually do this if he wants to. So we'll see if we can get some help there. Oh, you already looked into it. Okay, I looked into it a little bit. And there's adapters you can buy on Amazon, but they're they're like expensive, and so that's why I haven't got one. But it can it can take it and make it digital. Okay, you like copy it. Yeah, So I just haven't got one of those yet, but I really want to because I mean, I've got so much stuff that once I start doing that, then I will make a YouTube channel for sure.

36:32 Absolutely. I've had so many different experiences. It's like it's hard and I'm not really good at this type of thing here, So it's like that's why I'm kind of all over the place. Oh, we're just kind of we're just kind of chatting. Dexter Is is such an interesting area. You know. I did drive from Eugene over to Oakridge and right after dexter Is the point where you definitely feel like, Okay, I'm getting into something else. Now, there's something weird going on. I'm not sure what's going on, but there's a weird vibe there and then just continues all the way in. So I don't know if it's just because all of a sudden boom, there's a lot of forests, but I agree with you, there's some there's some weird stuff. You get some weird vibes around that area for sure.

37:15 Oh yeah. Oakridge is one of those places where it's like I've went out there. Like my first experience. I forgot to mention this, my very first like ever encounter with anything like that was my grandmother used to have a house up in Oakridge when I was a young young and right behind it was this old logging bridge and then it went into the forest and me and my dad would go fishing there. And I remember one time we were fishing there and my dad we heard something barreling down the like the woods behind us, it was like a hill. My dad grabbed me, let all the fishing stuff fall into the river, and like he booked across that bridge with me in his arms, and he's still to this we don't know what it was, but he scared him so bad that he thought we were like something was going to like humble us off the little ledge. And he says he thinks it was a big foot. My dad's all about bigfoot. He just he's never had any sightings because I don't know, he's like he. I think it's he wants it so bad that he overlooks the things and the patients that it takes to actually do that. Some people just like they just you know, are too maybe like too eager for it.

38:25 I guess sometimes. Sure, it does take a lot of patients. Have you ever asked to see if he wants to go out with you? Or oh we do, Yeah, we just went camp in a week ago. It's like towards the coast and then you go up this road seven miles and it's like the most active place that I've been to ever. And I mean it's just like any if I was. When I take anybody who hasn't experienced it, I take him there at night because without a doubt you're gonna have experiences there. Like I get out of the car and I get I just sit on my hood at night and they'll break stuff all around me throw rocks in the river and just like it's like completely, it's just awesome, like it's they do everything but come up and sit next to me. Pretty much.

39:14 This is over on the west side, right, this is not over by. Yeah, it's not by Dexter. It's like an hour from Dexter. Gotcha, Okay, interesting but yeah, I. Mean it's yeah, And it's it's the further the coaser you get to the coast, the more active it seems they get, like the more at least the visual activity they have, like with their symbols and all their language stuff. I don't know. I think it's because it's more rugged over there and the people are less apt to just go drudging into the woods. I mean around here you can kind of like drive anywhere and walk anywhere in the woods, and I think that they like it where you can't really do that as much, or people aren't more you know, as likely to do that.

39:57 Now that that totally makes sense, you'd mentioned that you have an interesting job where you're you're cleaning uh sites around different forces. Yeah, your friend or coworker whatever be interesting in talking, but it'd be very interesting to hear his viewpoint as well. Just kind of put that in your ear. Oh yeah, he's got other stories too, because he goes out he cuts wood up in Oakridge. He goes way up, way up in the Oakridge woods. So he has got a lot of actually experiences that are trippy. Kyle, I would love to talk to him, if you can pass on my information for sure. Yeah, of course, Yeah, that would be great. I see things in my way so much that it's you know, it's hard to like veer and like try to think like a mind that maybe doesn't know as much as I do about it.

40:43 Oh, absolutely, one that's not maybe open to it in a certain way, if you know what I mean. Yeah, because with that when you when that world opens in your brain, then other things are with it, you know, like like ghosts like I've lost. Like my grandma who raised me, she like was into she was into it too, Like she would come home from work and she would tell me that there's bigfoot out in the driveway because are beginning of our driveway was like these really tall trees that our neighbor had like a little baby forest, and she said it would like walk along with her, and she would sometimes be kind of scared to get out of her car and stuff and she thought fairies flying around the yard and stuff too. I mean it was it's I've got one on video too.

41:28 Is thisridge? This is my great grandmother had the house and Oakridge when I was a kid. Yeah, so you have fairies on video? I have one. Yeah. It was it's flying around and it like dips down in the water, and that's a that spot I was telling you about with the tunnels that place. Since then, they've they've logged it and it's like it's not that place anymore. It's just completely everything that all everywhere where I started right here in Dexter, like with all my like videos and all that is been logged and like it's just been changed so much that and it's not the same. And I believe they still kind of go around there, but there's just so many places you can't go now, and like everything's just changed.

42:13 And it's been a while since I've even been up there. I've kind of think broadened out and went into like but you know, like, well this is what a lot of people have said. And the other podcast is there's I get more activity around the areas that are populated than I do way out in the middle of nowhere, and so you know, like it's it is. It's weird, but it's like I see why because they can benefit from us, you know, quite a bit. But nothing's ever really disturbed that I've ever noticed, you know what I mean, They're really cautious about what they touch. Absolutely, because I know people are listening from the government on this absolutely. Oh yeah, the homes of people listening absolutely.

42:57 Speaking of Oakridge, have you heard of any interesting interactions that have happened around that town to do with Bigfoot? You know. I I listened to the podcasts that you had of people from Oakridge, and I feel like I know the guy. But I honestly like Oakridge is kind of one of those things where I've done my squatching out there a couple of times, and my grandpa's ashes repoored up Salmon Creek. Oh wow. And yeah, so I mean going there, it's like and my grandpa he would go out in the woods by himself for two weeks at a time and he he never would talk about Bigfoot or anything like that, and it was it was so weird to me. It's like some people can go out there and just not experience anything like that, and you know, I just don't get it.

43:42 But no, he his ashes are poured there out there in this a plaque he put on a tree when he was younger and it's still there and he put his ashes underneath of it. But other than that, like I don't, I kind of just I have enough going on right around my area that I don't like. It's you know, it's it's like thirty miles from here, so it's like if I don't have to travel as far to get any you know, to hang out. Plus, I like to stick around my area and get the ones that I, you know, hang out with to be more used to me. And it's like once you it's uh, I think that Uh what's his name? The guy from Sasquatch Theory, he said this, Yeah, Miguel said something that kind of like was like, whoa, it's one day they like they pick you and they kind of are like with you, and it's like they kind of like are with you, you know, and places where it's like they follow you almost, And everyone that goes in the woods with me is like Wow, it's like it's a different experience for them because all of a sudden you're hearing trees break, and like I took this one, this one girl who I got a hold of me and she wanted to have a big fit experience. I took her up to Loon Lake and it was nighttime. But by the time we got there and we went up this road that I've had a couple of things you know, happened.

44:58 And we got out of the car and we're walking and right up this hill from us, this giant tree was like, I was like, awesome, And it scared me a little bit because it was like it was such a big tree, I don't even understand, Like it sounded like a shotgun. And so I was like, can you guys do that again? And nothing, and she's like, yeah, can you guys please break another branch? And then as soon as she said that, one tree, two trees, three trees, four trees, as it went down the line, all these trees broke. Like it was like I don't know if it was I don't know if it was the same one walking and just breaking stuff as it walked away, or if it was a big foot of each tree.

45:38 Because it happened so fast. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? It was like, so, Kyle, here's the weird thing. This is the third or fourth interview in a row. Because I do interviews a lot. This is the third or fourth one in a row where the person has talked about something or requested something, and then immediately after something happens in response. It is such a commonality.

46:26 They know what we're they understand this. I think they know us better than we do because they can get in our heads. You can't lie to them. They can they can tell what you're thinking. They know what you're about. Like it's like basically, you got to go out there with you know, your heart open and pure or else you're not going to get anything but negative results or know nothing. So it's like, you know, you have to. That's why I talk to him a lot, to try to, you know, to let them know even though I can tell I know that they're like, you're feeling what I'm thinking. I talked to them because it helps me and I know that it like it has to like interest them, you know, to have that verbalness. Because sometimes when I'm driving for my job, I drive a lot, so sometimes I'll just like when I'm out in the woods, I'll just like pull into a little spot and I'll just like take a nap. But every time I do that, I put my phone on record audio record, and I put it on top of I reached out my sun roof put it on the top, and then I close the sun roof so they can't hear me snoring or whatever.

47:25 When I sleep, right, But and I get some weird stuff, like some like voices, and like there's this one where I put my It was a little bit after I put my phone out there, and you hear this loud tree break and then you hear like a breathing right next to my phone, but I never heard it. But I also fell asleep for a little bit. But wow, it's weird. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that is close to us that we cannot with our naked eyes or ears, that we cannot hear or see. But the cameras they do catch that stuff. And that's what's another reason why I was taking pictures so often. And you know, at nighttime, I would just snap pictures in the dark, like with a flash, and like the more the so I would get there and you know, you'd feel okay, be like you know, like really relaxed, feeling, and I'd snap a couple of pictures in the dark.

48:20 Then you start getting hearing that rainstick sound, and then then it starts the feeling start you to get more intense, like you start getting like stressed, feeling like like uh, like nervous. So I'd start taking more pictures in each one of those pictures had more orbs in it, and until it got to be a thousands and thousands of orbs. And uh, each of those orbs, if you zoom in on those orbs really closely, each one of them has faces like a cartoonish looking face, and they have all sorts of different colors and expressions. And I mean, that's got to mean something, but I don't I don't know what. But I've heard other people say, yeah too, Yeah, that's that is. It's very very interesting and.

49:01 Weird flat you see a lot of weird flashes and lights and stuff at night too. Like I found this one one place where the trees had been like pushed down all outwardly, and so it was this big open circle and right in the middle of that circle was these two trees pushed inward as an x, and it was facing the sky. And so I kind of couldn't help but think that maybe that was like a marker for something that flies to like, you know, because the Bigfoot in the UFO thing, they have so much correlation with each other throughout history that I can help it think that maybe they do fly in ships as well. You know. And my buddy that I live with here, who is my roommate and also my best friend. He it goes to Alaska for half the year every year, and he was actually on the Discovery Channel for his aliens that he was like had going on. He had this experience with these little flying like steam rays in the area. You couldn't see him with your eyes on, Kim. Yeah, yeah, and they would fly all together and create these little beans, these little alien guys, and then they would just dissipate and the alien would be gone. But yeah, I mean he's that's his whole, Like, he's got that going on, and I got this big Foot thing going on. So it's like, but he's got a picture of one of the little the little spaceships that he snapped a picture of that he videotaped one shooting a beam down and then sucking up this big ball of whatever. But in

50:32 the one of the pictures, you can zoom in and you can see three different kinds of aliens in the window of it looking out. Oh yeah, and one of them kind of looks like a bigfoot. Oh boy, that's really cool. You have that friendship though, so you can compare notes, because there's probably stuff that that each each one of you is seeing that the other one's not, and you can kind of compare and contrast. We had talked off air about some things, Yeah, and you had mentioned that there is more going on in Oakridge beside Bigfoot. Yeah. I mean, uh, it's it's weird up there. It's like there's it's something that I don't know, see, I've heard lots of talk about, like there's like I don't know, it gets really deep and and it's like alien like people that they've they they've captured bigfoots and like, uh, you know, genetically modified them with other extraterrestrials that the government works with. I mean, now, all that kind of stuff.

51:35 It seems a little bit far fetched, but really, if you experience enough of things, it kind of, you know, makes a little bit of sense. You just said, like a sentence that was had a lot in it. Do you mind if we go back to can you provide any more details? So have you heard of Bigfoot being captured? And you said genetically manipulated? Or yeah, I mean there's a guy that you can go on YouTube and find. His name is uh Kiwani Laps or Sitis. Right, it's a hard one. But have you heard of him? I've seen his books, yeah, yeah. And so I mean he's one of the ones that talks about that. Like actually, he's like pretty much the only one I've heard talk about that. But I don't know, it's just it's hard. It's hard to know, you know.

52:20 That's why it's like I try to stick with like this Sasquatch thing, but those things that are like that kind of bring themselves up, like with the things that happen, because it's hard to wrap your head around being being able to do so many like extraterrestrial type of like paranormal type of things, you know, yeah, like things it's just wild to me, like because I mean it makes me wonder if we as humans, we could, if we could possibly be able to do what they could can do, if we trained our minds, or if we even are built to be able to do that. I know we're not built like them by any means. By it, I mean, there's just so many Like the more you think you learn about these guys is the less you really view.

53:07 Like it's like the more questions are opened and it gets super deep and then I yeah. So then I don't want to push too hard. But I am alone. So are you saying that certain individuals are saying this directly about this area in Oakridge or. Well, I've had everyone that I've ever talked to, and I've even went up there a couple of times and uh with a couple of different people that live up there, and it's like it's just it's a weird feeling, and it's it's like almost got like a curse type of thing, because like like I went up there with a girl I was seeing and she's like, if we go up Salmon Creek, she's like the last person I went up there with. Like once we were up there, things were okay there, but then like when we got back, we got into like this argument and then we ended up breaking up and like hitting each other, and I was like, well, that's probably nothing to do with up there. But then we went up there and like right we were, Yeah, we were up there, and like she got out of the car. I like just like I like to just chill and listen in the car because like I'm a little scared at new places and all this. But she got out, and like I just like all of a sudden, I was just like I did not want to be there, Like something in my mind switched, and I'm just like I just I won't leave, like I did not want to be here. So like she I was like, hey, let's go. And so she got back in the car and literally we haven't talked since. Wow, Like it's just like yeah, and we were actually like hanging out pretty

54:38 hard and then all of a sudden we just haven't talked since. And it's I mean, that's like whoa. And I don't know why, it just we just haven't and it's I don't know, I can't help but think maybe that place does have some sort of like a you know that doesn't things like that since the Bigfoot world has opened me and nothing, I don't really dismiss pretty much like really anything unless it's just like whoa, Okay, I mean, because everything's you know, the world is nothing like we are taught that it is. So when you say Salmon Creek, you're saying the main road that goes up there, right. Yeah, there's lots of offshoots on that road. You saying also the for service. Roads, Yeah, yeah, the forest service roads up there office Timm Creek, And like I don't know, I don't really I can't really put my finger on what it is about that place. That's just so I don't know. Dark.

55:34 I guess that's the only way I can really put it is that it's dark. How far up? Sorry, how far about roads where you're going. Just right when it's like from West ur On, like when you go into westferr you start going up, it's just like it changes. Yeah, I got No, I totally got you. And I'm sure a lot of things have happened up there. I mean a lot of things and the you know, things I haven't even probably heard of, but just like weird things that are like you know, like I was talking about earlier, I just bad things. And there's a lot. Yeah, there's some stuff. Yeah. Yeah in my area. I'm comfortable with my area, and my area feels like relaxed and like there's only been a couple of times around my area where I've been Like, whoa, I don't like something's not happy right now right? I mean other than that, it's like in my area, I'm comfortable with. They know who I am and uh, you know, I I've seen them quite a bit. Like you know, people never believe me when I say this, but I've seen thirty of them in one day. M hm. Up there yeah, Like you're not all close, but like at a distance, Like if you go out in the woods and you sit in a spot where you know that they're like if you think about them and then you go there, they're going to be there and it might take them a little bit to get there.

56:50 And I want to unpack that a bit. So you're saying you think about it then you go there or is it you go there and then you think about it while you're there. Oh? Both, I mean, if you think about it, if you like, if you're like, I'll get these random like, man, I just I want to go in the woods right now, like I have to. Like it's almost like they're calling me. They're like, hey, come on, and then I'll go. And then as soon as we get there, I get out of the car and then there's that tree breaker. You know, there's that stomping through the woods you hear, or that you know weird bark or any that the growls that they do too. A lot of people can't catch them, but they're they're so low sometimes that there it's almost a feeling, not a like an audio, but feeling like a rumble in your inse like your chest. Yeah, and it's pretty intense, really, I mean, he's just scaring me pretty bad. But now it's like it's almost welcoming.

57:38 Have you ever asked or stated, why are you? Why are you wanting me to come to this area? Right now? I just go with it mostly, like I just go there and I just I just talk like I'm doing right now, but basically about stuff, you know, Like like I just talk to them, like you know, I'll tell them about stuff and like this and that. And sometimes sometimes it's almost like they're like shut up, and they'll break something really close to me and it's like all right, cool. So then and a lot of times I'll just go out there and I'll just sit And that's how I learned a lots by just sitting and not making a sound and just like observing everything around me, and like anytime I'm in the woods, my senses go completely heightened, and I like, I don't talk much when I have someone with me, especially like I I go like I turn into like this more of like a like a you know, like I listen and I just like look and I don't talk because when I'm with somebody, because you know. But it's crazy how this works. Also, you can be out there with someone and not talk for an hour. I'll make a peep and you'll hear nothing, And as soon as you start staying something to somebody, you'll hear a tree break or something. Like.

58:52 They have that time. They know when you're gonna like win the right time to make noises to like where you can't almost say definitely that that was this or that, and it's it's it's there. They just have that that way about them. I experienced that little bridge a few times as well. It's very strange and I don't get it why it works like that, but it the same thing happened to us multiple times. It's very weird. Like it's so like when ah. I've heard a couple of different instances where people when people like die, they can communicate back to someone that they're close with and say that they're like in so many places at once, and uh, like they it's kind of like you're not you're not physical, You're just like you are everywhere and there's no everything you can you know everything. And I think and it almost seems to me like that's kind of how they are, you know, weird way, Like I've heard of natives saying that when they can go where we go, when we die, they can go in and out of will. I mean that just seems, you know, like a big giant subconscious they could conscious pool. I don't know, it's something like that. I'm trying figure it out more. And like with that, it's like opening more of these abilities that I have, like with being able to heal with my hands and like being very empathic, feeling people's energy and like just knowing how to help people without them even telling me how, like what's wrong, and just like knowing these things like that. And I think that might be part of why they like latched

1:00:25 onto me in this. So you were able to heal with your hands, you said, yeah, can you provide an example of what that what that means? Well, like my mother he was hit a coma uh, a diabetic coma from like you know, just going hard and you know, not like taking care of herself. She was diabetic to drink. And so basically she was on her deathbed and a coma. And I'm her only son, and so my whole family was there and they called me and they told me to come down there. And I went down there and my mom was non responsive, like basically just living through machine. And I put my hand on her head and I closed my eyes and I like went away into this like force thing and like where I just like I was like a warrior traveling through her body.

1:01:11 Kind of thing big for society will be right back after these messages. It's it's hard to explain. It's like I turned it into a force, not like a person, but a power. And my hand got so hot that I couldn't even leave it on her head anymore, and I had to pull it off with there. And when I pulled it off, she smiled and they were able to take her off the machine and she was she lived, but like it's something like that. Yeah, And my grandmother when she was dying of cancer, I would she had a piningreased cancer and she had a surgery and it didn't work right and all this, And I would put my hands on her stomach every night, and when I started doing that, her stomach would make like these god awful demon noises like and she I do that for half hour or so, and she would say, oh my gosh, I feel so much better, And like I didn't do it for the It got to the point where I would do it every night and I got it was getting exhausted from it, and like I didn't do it for two nights and then she died the third night. But I mean, it's just things like that's the kind of in My Grandma would always tell me that I was a healer. I just thought she was nuts, But I learned now after that she's gone that you know, maybe she knew a lot more. She's very spiritual Native American.

1:02:37 Like, okay, so you have Native American heritage. Yeah, okay, interesting. Yeah, So yeah, I mean, and so that's the kind of the way I am when I'm out in the woods is like I, you know, treat everything like in a way where I'm like native about it. You know, Yeah, don't do unnecessary only garbage, don't do unnecessary damaged don't like, don't do anything that you wouldn't want done to you or your property. I guess you also mentioned that you have a way of sensing things about people. Can you go into that as well. Yeah, Like, I don't know, it just uh it's one of those things where like someone I can tell I can just like read somebody, look at somebody, and I could see by their you know, why they're the way they are there, they way they present themselves, the way they talk or act that you know that they're hurting somewhere, And like I can just watch them and observe for a few and I could tell if they're have a back pain or if they're like if they're hurting from inside somewhere because of the way they move. I don't know.

1:03:41 It's like this weird sense that I have that uh kind of it's really it's hard to like put into words, but I can like put then out like, you know, if it's not too weird. I can go up to them and like just put my hand somewhere on them, like and feel their body and I could feel where the pain where they're hurting, and I could press on it and like like, WHOA, how did you know that. It's like, I don't really know how I know that. Have you done that to strangers? Oh? Yeah? Really? Yeah? Oh wow? Yeah, I mean I blow my I blow my mind a lot, like with things that I just know, and I don't know how how I know it. I mean, I don't want to like sound like I'm like bragging or anything, because it's just that's just the way it is.

1:04:22 I don't understand it either. It's very how different cultures and different religions have different ways of saying that. I think, you know, like a different gifts or yeh, you know certain religions Christianity would be like gift of the Holy Spirit, or if you're not that it would be called something completely different, you know. And it's just it's a very interesting thing that I've I've noticed. I do believe everybody has has that. I just don't think that people tapp into it or know how to or even think about having it to be able to tap into it. It's like it's a it's a very it's a having an open mind is so important I've found to you know, to get anywhere besides being standard.

1:05:14 I guess right, no, it makes sense. Yeah, and you know, that if you don't have an open mind, I don't think you're going to experience any of this stuff. And I've actually seen where a certain area around Oakridge, certain people were there and nothing happened, and right after the person left, that's when some really weird communicating happened between a certain individual and what we think was a big foot in the tree line, and it was just it was the craziest thing I've ever seen. It was wild. So I think that definitely has to do with have you ever have you ever experienced that where there's like a mimic sound, a mimic bird sound, and any communication that goes back and forth. Can you share, Oh, yeah.

1:06:02 I've heard, Yeah, I've heard, uh, like weird bird call. They'll they'll mix bird calls together, like they'll mix actual bird calls, but they'll put them, they'll like do a remix of them and make them their own. Like they'll mix like three or four bird calls into one call, and so they'll make it's like its own call, but it's it's actual birds that exist. So that you know, people can like hear a little bit and they're like, oh, it's just a bird because I know that call from this bird that but they do that and then like uh, there we've heard like uh argument sound like you know, the tones of people arguing, like you know, but you can't ever hear any words. You just hear tones, humbling.

1:06:44 It's like people have talked a lot about it. Yeah, and it's like it's it's really weird because it's there's no words, Like you can't even hear words. It's like like they grunt with attitude at each other or like mumble at it at with attitude. And then I've heard kids like we were can't. Me and my buddy Ryan were camping out one night and this landing that was cleared all the way around it, but each the down below us on all sides except for the roadside was like woods. And that night was scary because we had a fire when we had his car. We put a tarp around the car and then to this big stick like logs we had like a barrier, and all night long, like rocks would bounce off the tent and the herege little feet running by and like kids playing down the hill like it was like a playground. And then that's where we hear the argument like tones, and it was like that night was scary, Like I put earplugs in at one point and it was like just like had my ear hands over my ears, just trying to get to sleep so I can get through it. And like my buddy would grab me and he goes, dude, did you hear that? I'm like no, So I'd have to take my earplugs out and I'd listen and I'd be like, man, this is this is crazy. Like it was. It got really scary that night, Like they were pushing hard that night.

1:07:54 Where did that happen? That was up Fall Creek. That's like right, that's a fall creek. Is right out of a little if you go into the load and go up in the woods, it's Fall Creek, Little Fall Creek, big Ball Creek. Yeah. I was just gonna say. In his driveway there's xes and bigfoot symbols too. It's funny, no way, oh boy. Oh yeah. I've been sitting there with him, and I've been sitting with my dad in his car facing the woods and we were listening to music and right in front of us, across the driveway, I've seen bigfoots walking through the bushes and I'm like, look right there, and he he couldn't catch it. But it was like you know when they walk when they're cloaked, it's like the winds blowing the bushes, but only in one spot, and then that spot will travel through the woods, so it's like the wind's blowing only in one spot. Yeah, and that's what it was. And I was like, man, right, there was bigfoot like cloaks walking right in front of us.

1:08:42 Do you ever see anything that looks like a mirage or like the predator back in the eight you know what I'm talking about? Does that or is it just like you see bushes moving? I well, no, I see I've seen that. Yeah, and it's like almost like a wiggle and like like like a the airs wiggly like uh kind of distorted. Seen that. And I noticed that with this white one that I've had other people, because a lot of people get a hold of me when they have a sighting out here, they'll find they'll they'll hunt me down and be like, hey, man, I just wanted to tell you this spot. I had it a sighting and it was crazy. And so I'll go check that spot out, and it's usually a spot I already know, and I've had my own encounters there. But I noticed that the white one. I believe there's two now because of the one had a baby, so it's probably, you know, getting older now. But they can stand there in the open and there the whiteness of their fur just looks like a sun, like a sun spot that's bright. I mean, it's hard to explain. It's like you look right past it because it just looks like a bright spot that the sun's like shining. And but they are standing in the open and their hair is so white that it kind of like is just like they looked like light.

1:09:51 That's interesting. Yeah, And it's like I've had one other person who tell me that they were camping. They were homeless for a little while and they were camping up Fall Creek and they saw a white one all the time and it would stand up way up on this hill and it was like this white dot and it would just stare at him for the longest time. And yeah, you guys, see that video. I got that white one. It's got a little baby in the hand. It's like, it's amazing. That's one of the High eight videos. Yeah, wow, yeah, you gotta get. On the High eight videos. When does it also have footage of like the mirage or like yes, actually yeah, wow, oh man, you've got something.

1:10:34 You know. Another thing, Another thing is when I sometimes when i'd leave my I'd leave that high eight camera on a tripod filming in the woods, and I'd just like go do the rest of my hike and leave it and then I come back to it. A couple of times when i'd leave that camera, about five minutes after i'd be gone, it would get staticky, like through the l like it would get so staticky that you couldn't even see what was going on. It was almost like the camera was trying to like shut off, but then like it would just like stop out of nowhere, and then a couple minutes later I would come back. And so I do believe I have one also a video of my night vision of one staring at me, and it was partially cloaked, but I watched it for like fifteen minutes with my night vison. I don't think he knew I could see him or something, but he was staring right at me, and his eyes changed shape, like they went from being like round eyes to like really like Chinese like slanted eyes, And I think, yeah, and I think he was trying to like do something to my the things I was looking through, because the way that they changed was like he was like like using energy or something to try to like screw with my night vision. Wow. But he Yeah, thats a good that's a good video. It's pretty intense. It was like I just randomly like took my night vision out started looking up this hill and there was standing there watching me.

1:11:51 Have you ever heard of a place called Baboon Creek? Yeah, that's uh is that here? Yeah, it's further east on fifty eight, I believe, past Oakridge. I was just curious. It's just it just to have a lot of stuff go down there. Or a place called Spirit Lake. Have you heard of that before? Spirit Lake? The Yeah, I think the only Spirit Lake I know of those like by not San Helen's. There's one over by Waldo Lake Wilderness. Yeah. Supposedly pretty weird, So keep your ears out if you ever hear anything about that. I would love to hear about it. Supposedly there's weird stuff every night, all the wood that's floating in it. We'll go to the center and make a circle and then rotate around in a circle.

1:12:40 And there's a few encounters that I've taken from that area as well, that specific lake where people will get ran off by bigfoot from that area. You'd mentioned also before we started recording that you actually had just heard the Near Oregon episode, which is I think my one of my most listened to episode, so it's on YouTube, and you actually went up to Renier. Yeah. I went there yesterday and it was yeah, go ahead. I just when I got there. I went up. I because I remember him talking about New York City Road and I was like, man, in that episode, just like he was talking about how they were so like just brave and how they would just like come out and like not be afraid of people. And then I got to remember that it was like a long time ago.

1:13:26 But I went there and I went to this power line road and uh. I stopped at the first power line road that I found, and I got out and I was like, hey, I Uh, I just came to say hi. I heard my friend told me that you guys were here, and I just wanted to say hi. And uh as soon as I said that, snap, big old branch broke. I'm like yeah, but of course, you know, I'm by myself with my little dog. So if I feel limited when about myself, it's hard to for me to just like go very far because my mind. I watched a lot of scary movies with my dad when I was younger, so my imagination can run in some places, and that's what limits me. I haven't got as far as I want to because of that fear. Like I get scared, like pretty bad. So I walked up the road a little ways and I I could feel like I could see things moving on the tree line and I could feel it like hard sticks for breaking and stuff, and so I knew that they were there. And then I had only had my night vision, but it records in the daytime too. It's just kind of purple looking.

1:14:33 And I had it sitting on my dash and one of the points that you can see from the tree line across the grass, the grass is like three feet high. You can see the grass move like something like booked it through like on its belly or something through the grass like he was talking about they did. So I thought that was pretty cool too. I got that on video. Across the road for me there was you could hear stuff walking and like the more I was like using my camera to like, look, the more it would like they don't light cameras very much, I don't think, but the more agitated it started feeling, and then the steps should get heavier. And so I was like, all right, well I'm gonna I'm gonna go down the road now. And I went down to the other power line road.

1:15:14 And this power line road is massive and it goes for like as far as your eye can see. But it says it's a controlled area and there's a sign on it says control area and don't enter. And I'm like, why, why what's controlled? I mean, I've never seen any power line roads that have a sign that says controlled area, Like they're all open, you can go anywhere on them. We have power line roads here and they don't say that, but I think that, Like he was saying that the federal government bought his dad's property, so obviously there's they know stuff absolutely. And you said you had kind of seen what you think might be tracks in the area too. Yeah, there's tracks on this clearing I went to. When I got there, I got out of the car and I heard this big like there's no houses like right in that area. It's just the open forest clearing area and I heard I'm like nice and so like right then I knew that they were there, and I started walking.

1:16:12 I walked out. All the bushes and grass are like you know, chest high there. But I found this point where there's a big stump. Then I climbed up on it and I looked out over and I started looking down in the mud and there's like partial prints all over, and then there's like some folones in the bark desk, but you can't you can see the tracks, you can't define the toes. And that's what I kind of look for, and I look for tracks as the toes because some of the tracks I've taken pictures of are the most beautiful footprints you've ever seen in your life, Like you can tell which ones are female, which ones are male? Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

1:17:01 How do you tell the difference between a male and a female through the track? Well, I think what I assume is the female feet have more of a curve. They're kind of like you know, like they curve, and a male's footprint is just like this square, blocky like big footprint. It's just like a stamp. And then the women's are kind of more curved. You know how women's feet kind of curved, is, you know, have a little bit of a curve to them. I guess it's like, yeah, you just see the feminineness in the track. I guess. I don't know, maybe that's just what I noticed. But yeah, I mean, did you ever get a measurement of how long the tracks that you found usually are? No? I never actually have never measured the track and I've never done it casting either.

1:17:43 Yeah, no problem, but I used to. I used to put flour in the back of my yard flower down so they'd step in it. And I got a bunch of footprints doing that. Oh wow. Yeah, to kind of go way back, because you mentioned that at points you have put food food out at certain places. Did you ever put out a banana? And if so, what was the response to that. I did. I put out a banana and it never got touched, Okay, but I put out blueberries. I would take like all they would give me, like a box of fruit that they was going to go bad, that they couldn't they couldn't give away. So I mean I would hike up there with like close two hundred pounds of food, like seriously in the backpack. It was ridiculous. Wow, And it would always take them three days to touch it.

1:18:32 But the peanut butter, like, the peanut butter was a hit, and like that stuff was always gone, Like the jar was always cleaned out with a steak and the steak was always put back right where I said it at the beginning. And I did that like three or four times. I even took my mom with me one time, and she's the one that found that peanut butter jar at that time, and it was cleaned out and I took pictures of it and everything was I was blown away by that. I was like, wow, it was right there. You know, you get more of a solid, concrete like knowledge that it's not a deer or like a raccoon or something, because nothing, nothing else would be able to do that. Absolutely, man, Kyle, I knew. I knew when you came over that we were going to have a really intense conversation one day. And yeah, this was excited, A good, good conversation, dude.

1:19:22 I plan on going to that spot the park. I plan on going to that like maybe tomorrow. Oh cool, yeah, yeah. So I will definitely fill you in on how that goes, because. I I'm glad that there's people talking about them not just being eight feet tall, because I literally the eight foot tall thing is like kind of you know, a comment. But the ones that I see are eleven, twelve, fifteen, sixteen feet tall. I mean, they're they're freaking I don't know if it's even possible in a way, but it seems like they kind of almost can change sizes. I don't know why, but it seems like they like they can like form into each other and like you'll see a pile of faces and then like it's so weird and I don't I don't know enough about it to be able to like be certain about it, but I've seen so many times I've seen like where they look like they've kind of change size and like change like almost like like go into each other and like become one. Wow, And that makes me think of like maybe there's just different kinds of them that you know, some of them can do that some of them can't. Because I know a lot of podcasts that you've done, no one ever talks about. Some people do talk about the more paranormal side of it, but most people it's a physical you know thing, and that's basically what it is to them.

1:20:47 And and I'm sure that that's that there is that kind of I don't know, It's just I wonder if there is different kinds, is all I've I've been wondering lately. Absolutely, man, How can how can people reach out to you? It sounds like if someone reaches out to you, you'll talk to them about what they've experienced, as I like to do so, but you'll also since you're out there, you'll check it out. Yeah, and if people want to ever come, you know, have me show them what I what I experienced. I would be glad to show you know, people, my my email is no capital is. It's mixed squatch one, just the letter one and then number one. Sorry and yes, mixquatch one at gmail dot com. Hopefully you can take that part out of there. I didn't mean to say letter.

1:21:41 Oh, no, you're You're good. I'll actually put it in the show notes so people can also look at the description or show notes and see the exact email, if that's all right. But yeah, Kyle, Kyle McDonald, thank you so much for coming on. I have a feeling that we maybe we'll be talking again. In the future, but thank you so much for coming on man. Absolutely thank you, and I'll keep you posting on things. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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1:24:03 Her and I can get on here, we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will. Give them the courage to come out. And that feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you've ever seen one of these things, you need to tell, because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.