30 Years of Bigfoot Encounters with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 2

0:00 Anyway, guy comes out, punts our gas. Yeah, starts talking about the dog and you love birds. He goes, yeah, that's the last some second lab and and the love bird and I just love getting out. Then he looks at me, asked about grouse, something goes yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, this a real good place up to clashness said. He kind of tells us head. He goes, you ever heard of big Foot Acres? Big Foot acres? You know? Oh boy? Yeah, so it's a little place ups out outside of Sequida. He gave me some rough directions. I don't I didn't make No, there's enough roads and left area up there. Ever heard of big foot acres? No? And somebody told me you go up this one road, you go here, the are you ark there and all that? And there's all kinds of grouse? He says, So what's it called big Foot Acres?

0:41 He goes big foot? Matter of factly, he go is he there? And the and the kid goes, shakes his head and turns to walk away. Helps another cars just pulled in. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, the podcast where we talk to those who have experienced and research bigfoot. If you're into Bigfoot and sasquatch, Harryman, all that good stuff. You are in the right place. And this week's episode, we'll be doing part two of my chat with Rick Rasmer and it gets even deeper into his stories from the Pacific Northwest, and we'll jump right back in to hear in some more perhaps Paul Freeman related incidents. It just gets crazier from here. Please take a minute to subscribe to whatever platform you're listening to Bigfoot Society on. It's free, it doesn't cost a thing, and it really helps us out. And please share this episode with all your friends that are into bigfoot and all your online bigfoot groups. All right, without further ado, let's get back into our chat with Rick Rasmer from the Pacific Northwest. Roughly ten years later, we're not in the same general area in the wilderness, and my dad heard tree knocking. You know, we'd split up. He was on a side canyon. So this is roughly October again ELK season of nineteen ninety and it's

2:15 just a continual He and I were separated by a mile tree. I think I'd made a hunt around into another canyon, working my way back up to where i'd meet him and he's on this little side canyon kind of brushed to a little timbered canyon. Again it's all wildham Syria and herd chopping. He said, it sound like someone cutting wood, just continual chop, chop, chop, and it was off and on. It was kind of adam member if there was a cadence to it or whatever, but it was a wood knocking type of sound. And it wasn't an area there was anyone ca after cutting firewood. And I think right befogot to my dad, he was as he's working his way kind of up into this drainage, this timbered drainage, he saw a bull elk down. They're kind of coming from the same area where this shopping sound was coming from. But elk elk when they they do bang trees with their antlers, especially any bulls do they knocked the velvet off late in the summer during the route when they're in the rating season in September early October, they will they will break trees and all that, but they don't chop, they don't chop chop, they they they scrape and rattled their antlers like crazy. So so this this sound, this chopping went on for quite a while at you know, whenever you hear about wooden knocking, you don't hear about repetitive knocking for hour an hour or so. So it's just we heard he heard wooden knocking that lasted like off and on for an hour, and that we not too cannible us Again, what the answer was could have been that bull elk, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

3:37 That's not typically the kind of knocking they do with their antlers on wood. But again, coming all out of that same that same country and smells and feelings and sensations and then woodknocking, it's very weird all of that same area over ten years. Yeah, well, and and for for decades prior to and obviously decades after, there's been you know, sidings and stories encounters coming out of there. So I just see again there's are pieces of the fuzzle like, yeah, I don't have a specific cancer prem but I do have actually a little better answer cutting into place into all that. So it was right around. It might have been that same year, might have been a year after we were hunting deer in southeast Oregon. I've real I've seen my picture of kilomet and down. Now that you've seen in that side, it's not that big deal. There's a highly coveted deer tag in southeast organ called the Trout Creek Miltains Rifle deer tag takes about twelve to fifteen years. Again, it's all high desert. It's five six seven eight thousand foot desert country, aspens and all that stuff. Not big Foot country, even though it's near the jar Bridge in Nevada, which has some history as well. But but the thing is as an ironic meeting. Again, this is right around the same time. So Dad and I are down there hunting, and you know it was it was either it was around eighty nine, ninety ninety one.

5:00 Again, it would probably been early October, where Elk seasons are late October. The Dear seasons are typically like the first week of October. And uh, we're driving around. It gets to be midday, it's it's getting pretty hot out. We pull over and all of a sudden, I can't remember this, this rig was was park there and we drove up on them, or we were parked being they drove on us here and all of a sudden, well here pops out these two good old good old boys. And then I'm talking head. We're talking thirty three, thirty three years ago, we're out a couple of good old boys. Well, we start talking with them. Then they live up in the Pendleton Milton Freewater area, which is right up there on the edge of the Blue Mountains, which is the Milk Creek water ship. We hain't haunt two Canton wilderness. So we start chit chatting with them and find out there their cattle, they're their ranchers, I remember, their cattle rashers or wheat ranchers or what. So they start talking about that that country up there, and they hunt up in that country.

5:48 When my dad goes and as they're saying this story, I go, hell, that's so my dad fives in because, well that's where he hanson been hunting up there for thirty years in the wilderness. So I remember this one almost for made him as well. So all of a sudden, one of those cowboys and these guys, so thirty three years ago, my dad would have been in this mid fifties. These guys are probably the seventy ish, and all of a sudden, one of the guys kind of stops it, kind of tilts his head and asked, my dad, did you ever see anything in there? And so my dad kind of caught me off guard, this old cowboys saying this when we're out in the high desert of southeast Oregon, we're two hundred miles from the big Foot country. And he just kind of stepped forward, you ever see anything in there? Weird or something?

6:28 And my dad kind of takes a second and goes, mean big Foot and get my dad's not a believer by any means, but just how he even responded that way, I expect he probably would, especially with a question like that being asked. Yeah, And so the guy goes on to tell us. Then they talk. They know Paul Freeman, both these ranchers, He's done some work with the ranches over the years. There's just kind of a big, old, easy going, happy go lucky guy. And said that they had been approached back in those days by some researchers of some sort I don't remember specific. I mean, they were Bigfoot research. About what their credentials were, I don't recall, But so I can't remember both the cowboys or one of them had, but they had contact or they had been in touch with these cowboys they're this cowboy slash cowboys wanted them to take these researchers into that we know how too Cannon wilderness. So one of the cowboys did take him in and took him into the canyon I was referring to earlier where I had this weird, this weird ear re sensation my dad and I where I had heard that they smelled the stench. The year later, they took these researcher guys into the bottom of that canyon. Coincidentally, and then and I remember, this is this is just the word for word thing. The cowboy looks at my dad says, as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. Wow. So this is, like I said, some seventy year old cowboy dude from the Blue Mountains that we meet in the high desert of Oregon that has taken researches into the bottom of this canyon in the wilderness.

7:58 And as sure as I'm standing gear, that thing exists. So probably one of the more interesting stories I've got. They said they found tracks. They looked like family of three, a large track, a smaller track, and then a small one. They said it looked like the small one and the big one got into a major bout ground torn to heck, just rotor tild. But I also remember the cowboys saying there was there was poop pieces there, and he goes for some reason, those researchers didn't take a sample. Man, I this is this is crazy red because I'm like, this is where I know someone in the comments is gonna be like, come on, Jeremiah, that was totally this researcher in this reason put it in the comments so I can know. And again I'm talking this was right around nineteen ninety, so we're talking obviously a while back. And when that experience or encounter happened where this cowboy took these researchers in to the way out two cannibal wildness and went in the bottom of the canyon, I don't know how far previously, and I can't remember when when uh, let me see, Paul Freeman had his siding or his first encounter at least like an eighty three ish, I think, yeah, well it was your colosy was June eighty two.

9:11 Okay, you're wallah wallah, Yeah so pretty much. Yeah yeah so, And I'll get to that too, because I've camped the Dutch Bringe many a time. But anyway, they said, this is just this random encounter. We meet a couple of old culture cowboys out in the night dessert and it ends up as sure as I standing here that thing exists. That's amazing. Yeah, so wow, I mean that's I mean, I worked for word. I remember that the ethics, So now who are the guys were? And then the conversation swayed from there and then they had deer tags that took him ten to twelve fifteen years a yet we had dear tags took as equally as long. And then hey, guys, that's the luck. And that was basically the end of our conversation meetings. So that's incredible. Yeah. So so fast forward. I U had a special elk tag up in that country a couple of times now, probably at ten years ago, eleven years ago, and we met a couple that live up up Milk Creek.

10:09 So you have the Milk Creek watershed where it comes out of the watershed area that's close to public entry. It drains I don't know, it runs fifteen miles until it hits the Walla Walla River near the town of Walla Walla. I think it's Walla Walla River. It could be a two ship river too, But but Milk Creek as a leak comes out of as you leave the town of Walla Walla and you start heading up into the foot hills of the Blue Mountains. It wanders, it goes along on the Washington side, then it kind of winds up into winds down into Oregon, then curls back up into the watershed. And we met a couple. I won't go on all the details. So we met him, but that lived right on Milk Creek, probably within five miles of the watershed, and they live right on the creek. It's we had mutual friends who are so random. It was kind of silly. And we're sitting on this cool little creek and early fall ten years ago, eating watermelon, had a beer or two, and and this topic a big foot comes up because they live. I mean, he's a dirt bike rider. He's got buddies at dirt bike and they ride their quads all around the on the roads between the watershed and the wheelers. Huh, Wendy Mark and Wendy so so uh. One evening we're down to their house along Milk Creek and it's a warm evening, and I said it's probably that's probably early to mid September now, so it's not too late in the year.

11:20 But nice are getting cold, the days are getting a warm still. And the topic of big Foot comes up. And then Mark, who owned a local motorcycle dealership in Walla, wall Out and his wife silly and goofy neat yal. He doesn't he's not a believer. She's a believer. Now again, we're talking this roughly ten years ago, so Mark, Mark is not a believer. Everybody told us a story. And they've got they've got a couple of acres. The grave. The gravel road that goes up Mill Creek and go take you up into the forest splits their property. So their house is on one side, were along the creek side, then across the property they've got an acre or two. He's got some big boulders and some mumps. He right his dirt mikes, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff there. So he said a number of years early and I can't remember how how many years earlier. They were out there one evening, early two thousands, and it's kind of brushy and timbery and as you get up across the creek across the property, it starts the hill climbs up. This probably goes a thousand fifteen ynard feet up. It's all self facing slope, and it's slow in off elevation. It's all pretty much open grassy hillside for the most park could get. The sun hits it. It's hot and dry in that part of the state, especially during the summers, and there's little brushy drainages and draws that come down. But down along the lower part there's quite a bit of timber. So again this is Mark, the husband, who's not a believer, he says in the evening, and again I don't have a ton of specifics on it. Again, roughly early two thousands, a deer came running down off the hill through the trees and came flying right by them,

12:52 and he runs across their property and they look up in the trees where the deer came from, and uh, which is just to the north, they cut a glimpse of what looked like a chimpanzee. And and as I again I was I'm looking nuts, says he's not a believer, but to this day he questions what they saw. And I can't remember if wife Wendy saw the same thing or not, but I said, wife Wendy's a believer. He's not, but he's He told me that one story. This deer comes crying flying across. There's a lot of deer down. There's a lot of whit tail deer in the lower elevations. You got mulder at higher most like as a white tail. Who knows, but the thing came just flying across and they look up where it came from and it looks like a chimpanzee. Small some fat is really weird. And he's not a believer, but he saw a chimpanzee. Wow, Rick, I don't know a couple more than I'm gonna move on to local stuff. You're still with me. I'm stutie, I'm still here. I'm here, man, I'm not as sure as I like sharing this stuff. It's pretty cool. This is the stuff he can't find in books. And this is not if I love I don't think he can find it in books, right, Eric, It now definitely not only only only big book only book. Ever, it's called next cell spreadsheet. Hey there you go so up in that same country that this is one personal experience Uh, there's a cool little lake up theyre called Jubilee Lake, and we went camping up there. I think this is oh wait, Sin's July fifth. Oh wait. And my wife actually came across some pictures

14:24 were we're looking at today. So my are of my heart. I keep saying, my boys are boys sixteen fifteen years ago, so nine years old and seven roughly. We went out one morning away twenty two rifles and went up just just target shooting. I mean, they're getting young. I want them to get every little experience you can of being in the outdoors and go and shoot twenty two. It's tended to ride a passage. So we went south of Jubilee Lake a couple of miles and again this this whole area up there, from Jubilee to de Duct and the whole Blue Mountains has a ton of history, way back, a little ways back recent and probably tomorrow too.

15:05 We'll be back with more big Foot society after these words from our sponsors. So we go out and there's a place I can't remember, it's called Big Sink or something like that. A couple of drainages increase it come off and they kind of head off the backside of the Blue Mountains, the east side of the Blue Mountains, heading towards the town of Elgin, so kind of in the general area. And how many people even know that's been there, I don't know. But we go out mid morning eleven ish or so and go out to the plant twenty twos for a half hour so and leave Mom at camp and so she can babysit the dog I'm gonna want with us or not. So we go out many gravel roads south of Jubilee Lake head to the east a little bit of mile or two and found a little logging road that was closed off. We drove like fifty yards down. It's gated off, which is fine, and I can't remember we've put some targets out there. So behind us on to the north is a big timbered patch hasn't been logged, and and sizeable little creek crane is coming through. And again this is this is even though it's something I experienced or we experienced, it's very ACTI litally, I have no idea. So we go out there and start shooting the twenty two s plink plink plank. Boys didn't know anything.

16:14 And there's again the heat of the days starting to warm up a little high mountain breeze, and there's squirrels and chipmunks and there's birds playing around. But after after I heard the first one, it caught my attention. I didn't at first, but yeah, yeah, yeah, my dogs getting all excited outside of there. And now that birds it can make a whooping noise. I don't know exactly what birds they are. Again, and we said that this start when we started planking the twenty two, and it was it was. It was way off to the north, one hundred yards away, coming from that big patch of timber. And then then I got a second series of three or four whoops. And again mid day, mid morning at tennis eleven o'clock or whatever. So again I just I heard whoops, and the boys, whether they heard him or not, I can't remember if I even pointed him out. Then I think I heard two series of three or four whoops each and that was it. But for the archives, I just made a note. But I heard whoops. It could have been a bird, and it could not have been not saying what it was or wasn't what it wasn't. But up in that part of the world, you just have to I said, I just I just documented, make notes, and I then move on. So Milk Creek Watershed, which again is a close up public entry for all but like seven days out of the year for elk hunters, it's outside of the Willerness Riders. They're the Willerness Patrol teel it. Oh.

17:41 Yeah, So back in nineteen ninety six, my father and I had the elk tags for the Milk Creek Watershed. And again this is a really highly committed tag. It takes ten, twelve, fifteen years to get the darned thing and uh the watershed rider gallop. Then her name was Rowena and she had been a She had worked for outfitters and guides for most of her life. So she was she is a horse gal. She was an outdoorsy, she guided, she can't cooked, She did all kind of stuff, and she was defiesing to get lost in the woods or needed to be defended the woods. This is the gallow want to be there. She was the rough and tumble gal. Didn't take crap and her my dad or her my father got along grade they just chit chatted. We talked with her a couple of times, and I just remember my dad bringing up the topic because my dad's always been interested in the topic of big foot. He's not I said, not to believe her by any reads not says doesn't believe it. He doesn't believe, but he brought up topic on. My dad will bring up a million topics during a conversation, but he brought it up with the rowing.

18:41 And again, I think I'm going back to about nineteen ninety six. And she just and and she's because there's there's a couple of pack trails to go up through the wilderness or excuse me, through that watershed. Again, there's no public access or entry outside of the one week end of the year. Sure, and over the course of time, a lot of those trails, there's three or four of them, they go up a couple of creek ballom standing up on the ridges. And this is what growing and the other watershed patrollers have used over the years, just riding through the watershed. But for all intents and purposes, they should never encounter anyone there. And that's what mean purpose is to keep people out of the watershed. So they typically patrolled the perimeter of the watershed as supposed the part of it. But she'd ride the trails. She loved riding horses, so she'd ride those trails often enough. But there's not there's no real maintenance up there, so and the winters are rough and brutal, and just the nature of the mountains, trees fall down, downfalls, a brush grows up and all that. So some of those trees are slowly just disappear over time. So I think she just had a couple trails she did like to ride, and then the rest of time is just driving vehicles up around the perimeter the higher elevations and just making sure that trying to keep making sure people just aren't stinking. The watershed order a purpose, a reason. But anyway, my dad didn't bring up the topic with her, and she's now she was adamant. Now then going back to my conversation or my story earlier about Red the patrol rider back in the Savanies, Yeah, you know other and I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. So row enis is that i've and she's been patrolling at that point in ninety six, she's been in patroling. I think she's down to her last year or two prior to retirement at that point that she's been patrolling for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years. I've never seen anything that was her

20:14 story. So now there's a Hispanic gentleman. I can't remember his name. I've talked with him a couple of times, and I actually encountered him last last year and end of August. Big guy. He takes his job extremely seriously because they also he is a floor service service excuse me for service employee, and some of the roads around there, you can't have a TV side by sides dirt by unless there's street legal and license, and he's he enforces that lot of the teeth. So he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping people out of the watershed, he does actually patrol some of the adjacent force roads up there. You had a lot of people up there with some dirt bike trails that are real popular, but you can only stay on those trails.

20:56 So anyway, I said, I ran into him last year. We hit chat about previously about eight years earlier. We had another ELK tag up there and my my wife saying father and I maybe the kids are with us. I can recall I met the gentleman I can't remember his name now, and again as a neat guy, very adamant about his position, his job. But eight years ago, and once again, my dad throws at the big Foot topic at him like you did, Rowena, the Gallup patrol patroller, you ten fifteen years earlier, that big foot. Interesting thing about this his fanic gentleman, He was adamant it doesn't exist. But he starts throwing stuff out there. He starts throwing out details that only those that really follow its researched the subject would know. They've never found a bone, never found bones, there's never been a body. Oh sure, Yeah, he's starts throwing more out there that a naysayer or someone in denial or protecting would throw out there. He knew a lot more about the topic than I've never seen one. It was just interesting. Oh yes, as Dad is talking to him, this yeh, he saw it, and there is they're never found bones and fround the body. An he threw some other things out there.

22:04 This is how do you even know they haven't unless you've actually researched the subject. And again this, this Rowena and this gentleman are in the same position that Paul Freeman had right Joelan Milk Creek Watershed so and Red from nineteen seventy. So, so I never met Paul Freeman red, I never messed about these last two. So Rowena Rook his riding her horses through will and it's on or the watershed on trails that don't see people theoretically ever, so she has a milk preek water shied to herself. And this gentleman here, I don't think he's a horse guys as much as he has probably a driving his truck around the perimeter of the perimeters. But he's s stuff out there.

22:47 If if he doesn't exist, and you have no interests or knowledge that he didn't say he had no interest knowledge, but from the way his responses, he had an interest in knowledge in the topic. So uh, and maybe he never has seen or anything, but anyway, it's just it was it was interesting his response, there doesn't exist nothing there because and they've never found bones, that there's no pictures on and on. So it was just an interesting response from a patrol water ship patrol guy. And then maybe maybe he's I said, maybe he's being honest. He has never seen anything, and and here's the reasons why, because he doesn't exist because there are no bones or pictures or bodies. So the last story on this and then yeah, this is my own experience. It was just weird. So I had that Elk tag archerylktag this last summer and had a weird thing. This is outside the water shed, no creek, water ship, it's outside the way, not too the cannon wellness, but it's in adjacent drainage. Is again a very difficult tad to get. They don't give out a lot of tags.

23:42 Have the whole world yourself, really, and it's just neat remote country. I'm at the bottom of this one canyon. It's not a real deep canyon, open timber. You can see for shoot, one hundred hundred fifty yards, big trees, a little bit of rush and downfalls, but just open country. And I had Elk in their buglein. I was getting too and and there's some other hunters in that unit, but I hadn't seen any vehicles or anyone that where I was going into this dropping this little side canyon. That road drive goes right along the ridge next to it. So not overly remote, but still just a lot of country. I get down the bottom, it's getting late afternoon, said, right now, it's what almost seven o'clock here is probably right at the same time, last hour or two a daylight. Get down there. I've got some milk veugle and all that stuff, and I'm walking down. I got down. I had to hike from like from them where I parked up high. It's probably about a twenty minute hike. And then gets down this big open or open timbered flats shoot four or five of yards acrossed and I can see real well, and I'm walking through the timber, and all of a sudden I hear this deep, deep voice seven and as someone said the number seven, and I stopped. I thought, crap, is there someone else down here? Because there's bull elk veugle, and this is what we're all hunting for. Did I stumble on some hunters in here? And right where the noise came from? To my kind of from from me to the left fifty seventy five yards it seemed, I mean, I can see the whole thing four us. It's a big open timber. There's no one there. Now, Well, if there's hunters down there is there's a human voice, but a very deep, deep guttural

25:15 throaty voice. Seven. I stopped and I go one back out of this. There's other hunters down here. I'm not gonna go and fringe on them if they're if they're working these elk that are down here bugling and calling us, I don't I don't need any conflict if they're already down here. So I stopped and I sat down for about five or ten minutes, and the voice I heard that the seven well should have been within my view of my light, aside as open timber, a little clumps of rushing there, there's nothing that would hide anyone. I mean, they could be behind a tree and get out of sight whatever. But I stay there for about five or ten minutes and there's no one there. So well, that was just weird. So I thought, well, I'm gonna start walking very cautiously, and maybe someone is there. Maybe they're sitting there waiting and maybe they saw me, maybe they didn't, maybe they're still focused on these out that a couple hundred years of voice pre eminent bugle into the timber out further in the flat, towards where they creek is in the bottom. And I start walking and there's been a lot elk and there's there's really good game trails, even though it's there's downfalls, it's it's some dry bone drives being crunchy. So I started walking real slowly because if there's hunters there, says I. I heard you say seven. I don't know why you said the number seven, And but if there's hunters there's okay, then I'll get out of your hair.

26:27 I'm not coming, friends, But I started walking. I'm looking. I've been there, I said, been five or ten minutes. I never saw a soul. And why I didn't hear in my head that I heard some I heard a deep voice say seven, and very very very like there's a deep already. That's some weird stuff, man. Yeah, and I'm a realist. Man. That's just that's I can't explain it. But once again, just something something notes for the archives. Okay, can I get out of this chapter three? Final chapter? Heck? Yes, all right? My my local neighborhood, mount Hood and the northern Orgon Cascades. Simple again, it's the same thing. It's just friends, acquaintances whatever. So I mentioned a little bit ago about these twin brothers, good good friends of mine.

27:17 Robin Dennis will call him, and that's what their wives call him too. They grew up in Esticada, which is the Clackness River, which is the Bigfoot Highway that Joe wrote his book about. And they grew up in little community of Esticada, which is growing like crazy now. But they lived a few miles south of the extremely west of Vestikada, and there's a main highway that goes from the Portland metro area Milwaukee Clackness out to Esticada. And they lived about a mile off the highway down in, down In, right along the Columbia River and a little bit of kind of he referred to his Hapi communist dad as a Vietnam Vet. Mom's just salts the earth nique goal.

28:00 And they just lived in this little communal neighborhood off the highway. And again we're talking now in the seventies, probably early eighties, and lived in this I came remember the name of the neighborhood, but ten fifteen homes where you go out across the flash and kind of dropped down to the level of the club. They're the clack of Mysh River down there. So one brother Dennis, and again as I look at my notes here, in mid seventies, he they had a yellow lab named Mood and again, the bus would drop them up on the highway, so they had like a mile walk to home, and they're they're out the cut or they're they're mountain kids and all that, and no one it wasn't that big a deal back then. Your kids walked the mile to the Butts stop in the morning, they walked a mile off home. They I'm gonna bust drop them off in the afternoon.

28:45 So for some reason it was just one of them was just Dennis. Rob wasn't with And I don't remember this whole reason why, but so h and but every time every day in the afternoon, I guess Moon, their yellow lab would walk them to the bus in the morning and go home. Then Moon would go to go the mile, jaunted up to the highway and be there waiting for the boys get off the bus in the afternoon after school. So Dennis gets off the bus one afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting for him. And it probably got a roughly a half mile across some flat, open pastury stuff in the road just kind of starts winding down to the clackmis Freever bottom three four or five hundred ft elevation drop roughly all timber and this is the twin brothers. So Dennis, he's walking, he goes across the flats, he starts walking the gravel road, heading down the side hill and it's a temper and all of a sudden, he said, moon Moon just stops and starts staring up from the timber. And again this kind of where I started kind of filling up. At least I think he's looking off to the right downhill and all setting, all hell breaks loose, and this big, tall, dark hair covered thing takes off running through There's ferns and trees and a lot of brush and all that takes off running. And I remember one of the things there was a tall standing snag or stuff. The thing ran through this stump and the thing exploded. The stumped it and kept on running.

30:03 And I've also in addition to the stump that exploded that this thing ran through. One other thing that really reminds me sticks in my mind is Dennis says it looked like it had a quiver over at shoulder. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors, And to this day that's man. I think that just looked like it had an arrow quiver stuck over its shoulder over it's back over shoulders. So because you've heard stories of clothing and whatever I have over the years. Whatever, And then he goes, yeah, and how he reacted whatever. But then him and Moon continue to walk at home, and that was in the story. So that's only experienced Dennis ever had. And the funny thing is whenever he and I do talk about her, he goes, I don't share that story. It's anyone and his twin brother. They I mean, these are twin brothers that they're still attached to the hip. They've been involved in business or both in early retirement in their late fifties, been home builders. They talk daily, They do a lot of stuff together. Their their wives are good friends.

30:59 They a lot. Dennis will not bring the topic up around his twin brother Rob because robed last set m So the one thing in the entire lives that they probably don't share is I mean they've obviously shared it, but but Dennis just doesn't sure share it with anyway. As as we know, a lot of people don't share their stories are encounters, But no they don't. Are they waiting until they're retired and not a cop anymore? That's in big thing too, right, Yeah, there's that too. So so anyway, that's that as story, and I and he and I don't even talk about it, but like every five years or so or six seven, who knows, we might be having a beer or something medos this. But I already know his story. He's he already knows. He shared it with me, and there's no reason talking more about it. I did invite him, actually that thing that Joe Bilart sent us up to by Scoop and Meadows again, however many years ago fifteen, sixteen, seventy and eighteen, I don't remember, but I didn't invite Dennis. But he just yeah, yeah, he had his experience, his encounter, and that's he's he's good with that. So so moving on to that. Another gentleman, this guy played played some softball with it against years ago, back and going back probably they and then through a mutual hunting forum that we both belong to, he saw my name on there and he's active on this and this going back several years as well.

32:10 But up here where I lived, for where we liver, at the base of Mount Hood, the Salmon Huckleberry Wilderness, you got mounthood wilderness. You got the Bull Run Watershed, which is the water the watershed for the Portland metropolitan area, which is a much larger watership Milk Creek for Walla Wallah. This is the watershed that's feeding hundreds of thousands of people, not tens of thousands, and close a public entry. So we're in, We're up. I've got mountains, we got wilderness, everything around here. So this gentleman Scott, who I had played ball with, he shared a story with me again several years ago. But we have three rivers that come together down here, the Salmon River, the Sandy River, and the zig Zag River. And there's a cool little golf course, beautiful golf course actually right where these rivers come together, and also used to be some fantastic salmon and seal had fishing back in the day. Not nearly as as a fruitful as it used to be. But he told me a story a while back where he was going to fish. One of He's going down the golf course to access the Salmon River to go fishing one morning, and saw had a big foot run across the fairway in front of him, like right at daybreak and right off the back side of that Salmon river. It's it's just all salmon Huckleberry Wilderness, which has its own number of stories and encounters and sidings from Begain over the over the decades. So and as simple as that, it's a bit of been the eighties early nineties. Yea early morning and there's some homes there, really nice homes. Lost of golf this golf course on some sides, but once you get to that river side, it's all willows on the back

33:42 side. But he yet big Foot, Homember exactly said just something tall and harry. But he we're messaging back and forth, I think email or whatever, messaging through this hunting for him. Maybe I can't recall exactly how the communication exchange, But tell me about had big Foot run across the dank fairway this golf fairway front of the long way to go fish to salary everyone, which would have been midsummer, because that's typically it was a it was a summer steal at fishery, which July August at Timber October is the really the prime season or time of year for that fishery back in the day when it was popular fishery. And again the whole area highway twenty six. He goes over Mounthood. There's the cliff has mentioned several stories. There's been some other stuff. I mean, where we live here, I've I throw off a number of stories I've heard over the years. But these are just stories I've heard the around people I personally know and or have heard those those stories from them. So and another acquaintance of mine a little further south. Timothy Lake is a big popular lake in the North Cascades here, it's just south of Mounthood. Acquaintance of mine. I don't know him real well, but he's a good friends. But another good friend of mine, which I'll get you a bit, but he was brought around two thousand hunting again from our house here. It's he's probably twenty thirty miles south of here, Remo Hilaria right along and there's a big or a warm Springs Indian reservation that you we can't hunt tom and he is down there hunting. One evening he had camped in

35:12 this remote little camp spot, not even camp round, just spiting park. Drig hiked in a mile or two and elk grew. The elk make a lot of noise during their rep on their mating season and elk rebugl and all that, and they said, all of a sudden, it fan like that, its just shut off. And it was late in the evening, but he thought it was just kind of weird the way they just shut down, just and he was in the timber they're echoing all over at and it was late, late enough I don't think he had could really hunt, but he's kind of at a lady needs scoured for the next day, and he had a buddy coming up to meet him that night to camp with him, so uh some. So this guy he goes back to us truck. I can't remember if he had a canopy on his the bit of his pickup. Kind of think that's what it was. And so he gets back to his truck, gets roughly that time of archers and it's probably getting dark nine nine thirty, so gets him the bed of his pickup around ten. Again. I don't remember all the exact details, but about a half hour after he's in his pickup, all of a sudden, his truck shutters, it shakes whoa, And he wasn't expecting his buddy there till later I can't remember midnight, ish after midnight or whatever, I mean, it's not that far out there from the Portland Metro. I don' remember where his buddy is coming from, but what the old schedule was. But he expecting his buddy later than and and no vehicles came up because there's year. He's a pretty remote part of the forest, where as he wasn't on a main road. He's off a side road back up back in the timber there. I don't know exactly where his camp, but I had a pretty good idea. And the truck shutters, and he's might he goes, my buddy's screwing with me, no headlights

36:44 and it's dead quiet out that time a night you'd heard a vehicle within a half mile or a mile I yet approaching headlights or here her a vehicle, heard nothing, and the truck shouter. I can't here if he did it more than once, may have, may not have. But it freaked him out, and I thought his buddy screwn with him. And I can't remember if he didn't, if he couldn't fall asleep, or if he opened his canopy and shown a flash. I don't remember any of those details at all, but I know it really kind of waked him out. And then a couple of hours later his buddy shows up. Whether it's midnight or still again, I can't remember specifics, but he and I had that conversation number of years ago, but he just what shook my truth in the night or you know, in the late evening. So and and he's got I've got another story with him here in a little bit so so something something bumped his truck at night. So next story up the clash Mus River, which is is kind of all the Clackmus River rip area as well. Again Joe Bilert's country, Uh, good friend of mine, Sean, And this looks like this is probably around two thousand and two now, so again we're going back a little bit. But uh, he's hutting up there with his father and I think his brother, and they're up a remote little road some and some older clear cuts up there, and Sean climbed up the hill and again just kind of the picture I've got, they parked at a dead end road and probably a big round gravel turnabout, so the trucks parked there, him and his dad and again maybe brother than brothers, and Sean starts working his way up

38:17 the hill deer hunting. I believe, so it would have been early August dark excusing early October. So Sean watch his way up a hill. It gets way up above this older clear cut. The clear cut is I'm inn estimate to the trees in this country. You can grow back pretty quick. Within five or ten years. You're starting to get some trees are probably he know it's ten twenty foot tall if they've been replanted. He got way up above on the clear cut, and he gets up there and he can see that, he can see their pickup for their truck parked way down below. And whether it's two hundred yards or a thousand yards, I don't know. Is is waist down there? I'm sure. Then all of a sudden down below Sean. And this again from what I recollect it is probably midday, early late at or late morning, midday, early afternoon, all of a sudden, down below Sean on a pretty steep slope, this big boulder just flying straight up in the air really and comes down. Then is you didn't hear the thud of it coming down? Then this big boulder goes back up in the air and comes down. And I don't remember how many times it happened, two, three, four or five times, I recall, but he's going, someone's screwn with me here, and I since I recall, he said somebody thought it might be his brother. And he shouts out, and how far this was down? I don't think it's a long distance away, but I'm estimating probably it might have been thirty to fifty yards down down the hill below him. But the big rock flying way up in there coming down and not sudding when he hits the ground. Then he's he made a comment to something like, hey, no, it's you or screwed, which screwed with me? Whatever. Then he sees his brother and his dad way down down on the trucks moments later. So it wasn't his brother, wasn't

39:51 his father? And uh, and he's he and I've talked about it a couple of times. He goes he always had an eerie feeling when he drove this little road that went back to that little gravel parking area where so he and I we've actually been talking. I just talked with them a week or two. I guess is go up in the forest these days, there's so many thinks. People up there at weekends are just as zoo. Almost you can't. You can't get away from people. It seems like anymore people will get in the woods because our forest is extremely thick and rugged. But they're camp at the end of the roads. They're hike in. They're going all the lakes and recreation areas and trailheads and whatever. But he just got a new job where he has fridays off, and I have a relatively flexible schedule, So I told him him, once you get in your new job, you squared away. Let's sneak up there for a Friday. I want to go up. He hasn't been up there for several years himself, but he's always had this weird, weird earie feeling about that place, even prior to this raw tossing incident. So I'm just curious where he's at. I don't even I just know he's up the Clackness River somewhere. But yeah, rock flying up in the air coming down. I did, you went up several times and never acided when hit the ground, Because rocks like that, you're gonna you're gonna hear it, plus feel it. Wow, that's man sign was cleaning out catching it. Yeah, And then I said that he made some comment I remember me to comment, he thought, Okay, I know it's you. Well, so it's just and then there's brother and dad way down to the truck and one hundreds of yards away. So so I don't have any answers for it. I just got questions. Yeah, exactly, all right. So where we live, we live in one of the major

41:24 river drains come off some mount comes off Mount Hood, which is in eleven thousand plus foot door and Volcano. It's the top of the mountains like seven miles from us right now. And again from where we're at, to the south of us, we've got zig Zag Mountain twenty twenty five feet above us. Behind us, we've got the bull Run waters or excuse yeah, the bull Run Watershed, which is another fifteen hundred two thouand feet to the riche top above us, and the zig Zag Mountain to the south of us has some stories on it, you know, I'll throw a few of those a yeah. But just up the road from us, we have an older gentleman who his brother's a log home builder in the area, and he's been involved in the building trades himself. I don't he's more. He's pretty much hired now. But so he lives not even not even a half mile throw from this quarter mile. Problemly, Tom and uh as we were with him, I guess when I was at fourth of July. I left him a couple of weeks ago, and I'd heard, I knew he had stories. But our friends that live up there as well. There are his neighbors, the friend of Chris, and said he got to Psalm sometime, and I'll think Chris actually had a story too. But so a couple of weeks ago I finally got to ask Tom. So he has two kind of similar stories.

42:32 But when he started clearing his land to build his home up there. So again, this is a sandy river drainage is roughly a quarter mile half mile wide. It's all the whole mud flows from mount or a mount hood is erupted over the years, and just the whole valley is a mud flow. Then the forest builds up and grows up, so it's a relatively flat down here. So Tom was clearing his land roughly early two thousands and then and probably very two similar stories. And then a couple of years later he used to go to work really early in the mornings. Again, I don't remember if he was contractor back then her home construction and what but two very similar stories and there early two thousands and a couple of years later, he'd be out there early in the morning, have have a cup of coffee, have a cigarette. In two different times he's been out there early in the morning and boulders went flying across his his yard. Really, yes, oh man, you and the difference between the two stories that he gave me, there were two different times that had happened. And so he told our friend Chris whom we're better friends with, that that Tom we know pretty well. But yeah, so, yeah, he's been out there three in the morning, a cigarette, drinking coffee, clearing the land. And he's been up here long enough. Twenty some year, twentieth years ago, there wasn't as there's there's been. There's several homes up our our valley, but not at Ton.

43:58 But yeah, he's probably one of the earlier people developing the land up here and clearing it and putting his home on. Yeah, you're after them. Early in the morning. Then Dane Boulder was playing across from one tree line out across your yard and boulders how big they are I don't know, but random random at you know, three in the morning, and happened on two different occasions over the course of a couple of years, and the right time for weird stuff with big Foot to happen too am in the morning. No down, man, So let me see as I'm looking at my notes here. So yeah, okay, this is ties in him as well. He mentioned a so like said that up behind his house as well, just south of him is this zigzag mountain, which is it is one rugged, steep, thick, bluffy mountain side there's there's a trail on the top.

44:45 There's a couple of trails to go up this side, up some creek rainages to some some lakes. They're all hike in lakes. And I want to go hike that face that mountain down this side. It's gonna be brutal. I wouldn't hike up, but I don't know if any you could think you could, but you wouldn't want to do it again. Coming down won't be a whole lot more pleasant because this his steep, rugged, and there's some bluffy stuff. There's a lot of thick, elder thick. It's it's just it's it's it's a no man's land, so to speak, for the most part. But anyway, so tom as I'm looking at my notes here, he heard of bellowing howl coming up off of there. It lasted like thirty seconds. He so above his house, which again he is that direction from you again less than a half mile and then he said, like last like thirty seconds. And then he got a response down zig Zag ridge later, I mean immediate response. So let me see the notes. Bellowing hell up on Zigzag Mountain. Then thirty seconds later response down the ridge to the west.

45:40 Then and I and I said, he just told me this story a few ways ago. But at the rates he says, he goes, you ever seen it's funny big foot. It sounds like what bobo the sam Bobo makes. Man, well, that freaked me out. I've alway, that's that's one of my things where X someday I want to hear vocalization like that someday. Man. Now, well, boy, and it's that's right behind us. I mean, that's wow. I can long range right, It's it's a crow flies. It's five six hundred yards behind me. It's the side of the Zigzag Mountain and it runs for seven eight ten miles that way, right up two mount Hood. So I will jump forward a little bit.

46:21 So our our mutual friend Chris, him and his wife and kids live right there next to Tom his young daughter Lily. And this is going back roughly twenty ten. They hurt screams up on the back side of the Zigzag Mountain and uh Lily, who was roughly about eight. Then I remember Chris and Dad telling me this he goes, let it goes. There's something up there. So Chris are up there, and and I think most of these the call that Tom talked about what is and what chrismally, I think they've been springtime vocalizations. And again I'm pretty sure I don't I don't have exact dates or times whatever. It seems to me it's been like March April, mayage type of stuff. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors, So only a couple more for you. So again, over outside of Esticada on the clack Mus River, are you very familiar with this country? Up here? I have the Oregon Big Foot Highway, and so I know when you say stuff like Esticada and the exact mount I know like they sound very familiar. But I've never like actually gone out to the area yet personally, but like I've I've read the book by Joe.

47:42 Well, yeah, I've got to get it. So yeah. So esticadd yes, the clack where the clack Mus River comes out of our Cascade mountains. Esticada is like get the the Gateway. It's where the mountains meet and the foothills meet the flatlands. And that's Esticada. Small little rural community had been there for a million years whatever, but it's grown by crazy now and in the a ton of rick creation that goes up but up the Clapmas River, a lot of camping, a lot of water play, and a lot of fish and all that stuff. Just a bunch of people, especially in the summertime, go up that way, and there's some people live up there. But but away from that, down towards Aggresham, which is one of our bigger, more bedroom communities to Portland, a little community outside of that called Boring. Again, I'm going back to years ago. Now, I've as I put these snows together over the accumulated over the years, I kind of estimated some of them so roughly around five eighteen years ago. I've always had. I've always had dogs. I we chocolate labs in particular, and loved the bird hunt. I just like getting out my dog and busting my butt and sweating and having a good time with the dog and get family out there whatever, sometimes spending days so friends. So one day I pull up in this little gas station in the town of Boring, Oregon, and I got my dog with me. It's summertime, windows rolled down, dogs sticking her head out. Every time you go to a gas station, you're hoping they'll give him a milk bone to chill on. And uh. A young dude comes up pumps our gas because because we still we're just finally be getting getting to up our own gas out here. It's been attendant served for forever.

49:07 Anyway, guy comes out, punts our gas. Ye starts talking about the dog and you love birds. He goes, yeah, that's my second lab, and and love bird hunt and this love getting out. Then he looks at me and he starts talking about hunting grouse, which I hunt of grouse a little bit. They're more of a forest bird where I hunt the other types of birds, peasant, chopt or whatever. And I found this some grouse and fond to hunt and he can get to go on the forest. And asked about grouse something. He goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, this is a real good place up to the clashness. Then he kind of tells us head. He goes, you ever heard of big Foot Acres? Big Foot Acres? You know? Oh boy? Yeah, So it's a little place upside outside of Sequida. He gave me some rough directions. I don't I didn't make No, there's enough roads and left area up there. Ever heard of big Foot Acres?

49:53 No? And so he told me you got up this one road, you go here there, you arc there and all that, and there's all kinds of grouse. He says, So why it's called big Foot Acres? He goes big foot matter of factly you go, is he there? And and the kid goes, shakes his head and turns to walk away. Helps another cars just pulled in. Philip book gass. Oh wow, okay. So that being said, there's a ranger station in estigated Esticad, a ranger district, ranger station for the moth At National Forest. And I've heard stories for years. You may have, I know Joe has and Cliff has and other people. But supposedly there's a sightings book in there that doesn't exist. Doesn't exist exactly. You go escort and they don't know what you're talking about.

50:38 But supposedly there's a book there. And I've heard that for twenty years. There's any gotta be and I know, and I know people have gone in and asking for it and then they having you know what you're talking about? Rick, did you ever go up to big Foot acres? I never got the exact as he gave me the rough up here, there's so many forest roads and again once she gets Cicada up in the area where it was, there's some ranches and some uh there's no communities or talents up there, but there's there's just plane of logging roads and forest roads and this and that. He gave me a rough idea. I mean, it's just a casual chat. I wasn't. I mean, I obviously interested Bigfoot, but as he gave me that info and I tried to make a mental note, but then as I tried to fine tune it, it's that all that countries big Foot can trip there. No absolutely so absolutely applies to go to the exact road to the dead end and go to big Foot Acres to look for grouse slash bigfoot. I probably had as much a chance of going down another road and take it right instead of a left and probably finding big So I don't I don't know. I'd never did go there again, and I've always wondered.

51:42 I wish I would have gotten better details. But we were talking bird hunt, not big Foot. I just know the general area. But across that's all I said. That's on the north. I guess you could call it even the east side of the clacknessoreverview across you got goat mountain my camera, there's Hillock Hillock Burn Road. There's there's all kinds of stories and st up there as well, and and on and on. But so I never know. I never went too big Acres and I and I couldn't tell you exactly where it's at, but it's up there's somewhere. Maybe maybe a listener knows about big Foot Acres and they can email me a Big Fust Society, a Gmail. I go, I can hook rick up. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'm right here, well, I'm Google search and nothing comes up on it. I'm sure that up behind up behind that general area, got Mount Mitchell, which I think Joe in in that in his book. Actually there's a track away from Mount Mitchell, which is up in that same country and all that. But I said that I won't get into a lot more specifics up there because there's quite a few lakes and remote campground stuff that I've Between Joe and Cliff, they've they've they've they've got a lot of people out there in the field themselves, and there's there's a lot of stories have come out of that. I'll out of all that country for those that are actively out there doing doing more than I'm doing out the woods. So anyway, big Foot Acres, that's my story. Yeah, dude, you gotta get this book. I got I got the book right here next to me.

53:08 Yeah and big Well, Well, like I said, it's so good. Yeah, well, I'm sure that's well. And actually Joe told me about it backus before we even published a thing. Oh that's awesome. But again, I do need to get and I need to get him to sign it. Okay, I've got like two or three more than I'm gonna I have to get weak din Yeah, I mean, you've gotta be just starving by. Now Rick, you go, I'm fine, No, how to do it? This is calling my epicote. Yeah yeah, So so again from where we live, we were where we we can't where we live we less than two miles from US as National Forest boundary. Wow. And this summer year, our little remote little mountain road gets a lot of traffic because there's there's four or five camp grounds up here, three or four. Then there's a lot of trail heads that take you on the Pacific Crest Trail, which is our big international trail just from Canada all the way down to Mexico is you know, fifteen minute drive from US, and several other trail he has a lot of them go up to the base of Mount Hood and all around.

54:04 You know, I said, this is an exact mountain up here. So and I mentioned there's a couple of trails on this side that takes you up to these remote little mountain lakes. But another friend of ours, acquaintance or not tight tight friends, but he works for Clackmus County, which is one of the big metropolitan counties in the area. He uh runs search and rescue, and he was telling me a story that's five six seven years to goes telling me, so just up past our house as you go up towards the trail heads that are up here, going up the Sandy River and hiding towards mountain hood and backside is Nixact Mountain. Several summers ago, I'm roughly again, roughly twenty ten when this excoosing occurred. So there's a hiker hiker or hiker's loss up there, just didn't come back. So in the summertime again it starts to warm up here. You start getting a lot of breezes in the mountains, and and as the mountain winds go, it's just a lot of no always birds or squawk and stuff. So they like to do especially in the summers, especially if weather conditions permit. It's not like it's snowing or going to be subfreezing or whatever. They like. They prefer to do their search and rescues at night because it's dead calm. People can shout and hollow your name. You can hear people that might be injured that can barely whimper, you can, you know, just the sound carries so much better in the dead at night. So Scott, this gentleman's name heading the County Search and Rescue, and they've got their posts, and they've got a lot of nonprofits and other search and rescue organizations that like to help out and lend a hand. So they were I think it was an individual hiker at

55:37 cammers, a couple. I think it's just an individual just didn't show back, show up, and so they'd go up and set up a base just a couple of miles up from our house. And this this hiker hikers was up on somewhere on Zigzag mount Again, there's not a lot of trails up there, and you shouldn't get off trail. There's no reason too, because it's in it's just it's just rugged country, and not say you couldn't roll off or fall off or stumble or get injured or whatever. There Who knows why people disappear in our mountains. Every every year someone disappears with sure, no sign, no reason. They find a card or trailhead and there's no evidence of anything afterwards or else or else their camp is vacant and never then they never be seen again. And again, there's not much reason to get off any of the trails in this whole area because it's just is in hospital country if you're hunting. That's one thing that most of these people who just aiken and overnighting or whatever. But so anyway, the Scott in their group gets up there one evening and several groups go out a couple different trailheads.

56:35 Some might have been on horses. I don't remember the whole exact scenario. And he had, and you go out in pairs, two people at a time, and then at night. They're going out at night. So it's roughly like two in the morning, gets a radio call from one of the couples or coming down, and Scott goes, did you find them? They say, nope? Or coming down? I think, well, hell, this is the this is the prime search and rescue time. Two in the morning, dead quiet us. It's like, for all the reasons I mentioned, so why the heck are they coming down? That's an hour hour and half later, I don't I remember how long, but these people come down and go, why in the heck did you guys come down? They said, there's something up there, and this is again this is kind of word for word as well, there's there's something up there, say it doesn't want us up there, and we don't want to be there. Whoa, And it was the other sun just started screaming and carrying on, I guess relatively close to him, and they just pretty much then they didn't want us there.

57:30 We didn't want to be there. So they came off the mountain, quit their search and rescue efforts. And this is then, and so the guy to reflating us to us, like I said, he's he worked with Clackamas County Deputy SHARE's Appartment search and rescue, and uh yeah, they came off the mountain. So that's Here's when something started to start, something started raising. Hell up there. It didn't want us there, and we didn't want to be there. Oh my goodness. And if you looked at this mountain, if you'd ever hear it, can I can look at it daily. It's right out my back door. It's if I could live in that environment, didn't want to be found. That's that's ideal place. And I want to climb down that mountain on top of the bottom. I've got a couple differ ridges, a couple of different drangages. It's going to be brutal, and I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can still do it.

58:13 It's gravity helped me down the Dane Hill. But I just want to see what's in the middle of that mountain because there's no trails in the middle. There's a couple of looks of little trails at work their whips and creek dranges feel the top, but there's miles and miles and miles of non vertical but extremely steep rugged rough bluffy or North Oregon Cascades forest wild oh Man. Yeah, it's got to be beautiful that it's almost area left. We left heck out. It's really really need especially this time of year. So that being said, A round zigzag mountain between Highway twenty six on the backside, through the little community of Rhododendrin and Welch's and up this way. A friend of Cliffs had a siding just up the road from US real similar in the close proximity to where the Scott the Clackamas County Search armestor Guy Cliff out of a buddy at his about eight or nine years ago, woke up one morning up there looking and had a sighting out of his camper window right into the baze of the mountain one morning. So so, but the other's that in the last twenty twenty five years. There's been several sightings between all around here, and that's just stuff i've heard of. All right, let me throw you see two more, Yeah, then I'm done. Night. So I mentioned you the guy that was camp hunting a couple about an hour hour and a half from here, twenty thirty forty fifty miles whatever, that had something bumped his truck in the middle of the night, right, and his buddy's gonna be there, And two hours later whatever, his buddy shows up. So he was hunting with our mutual friend Ron in the same general area not quite

59:49 that far, a big, big big river, bottom, big meadows and all that stuff. And Ron is my one guy I think I mentioned earlier who is retired loggers vent is an entire time in the woods. He's out there even is retired. He's a big time photographer. He does a lot of stuff outdoors, he trail cameras and all that. And he's an non believer because they spent his entire life in the woods, in the Cascades and on the coast range. So we're on and this other gentleman, Dave U there they went down and hunted this big long medal one day. And again we're talking this back twenty thirteen. It looks like September two pain archery hunting. And as they're working through these flats, he got a big metal and you got a lot of this. This river bottoms about half mile wide, and there's some big cedar trees and they're big cedar swamp. A lot of elk in there usually and uh, and they're working their way through the timber and it's again it's open timber, kind of a little bread of brush, huckleberries and roaded entranes, but typically and some of the stuff you can see two three hundred yards, which is in our in our forest around here, that's quite a distance. And they look and aways from one hundred two yards they see another hunter. That's really weird because the only access point where they came in from is really about the only place ship could park there, and there's no other rig park there. And all of a sudden there's a hunter down in the river bottom it again river bottoms, a high bound valley bottoms, so there's another hunder there. They're really surprised, said. Then the hunter walked behind a tree and again there it was roughly one hundred yards away

1:01:22 if I recall correctly, but it's looked like a big dude dark we're all dark clothing quote unquote clothing, walk behind a tree. Never saw him again. And as they go. As they go walking over there, there's kind of a little dip and a ravine because in some of these rivers, as a meander, you get this, uh, they as they'll cut a bank and they'll switch channel whatever I think, if I recall, there's kind of a little dipper ravine behind a little cut bank. But they were they slowly worked the way over there because this hunter kind of went behind a tree and never saw him again. Walked over there, never saw a hunter, didn't find anything. And so this ron says, in all my years in the woods, that's the first time I've seen something and not been able to identify it. He's still an nonbeliever, but he says, not sure what it was and to random. Yeah, so and that's and he and I had that on one of our hunting forms that that's how I met this ron Neat guy. And it's got a lot of royal followers. He'd actually made that post on our hunting form again back in twenty thirteen. That the first time I've seen anything and never been able identify it. But he and I a couple years later we were out driving around out in the mountains and I we brought I brought the subject up. And he's still he's still a animate nonbeliever, but he goes raally, Oh, dads, some dad's for really interesting.

1:02:47 Actually, I have no idea what I saw, so anyway, it was just h yeah, coming from from a guy like that. And uh, lastly, you had mentioned that one of your speakers a while back had dropped a name and dropped a very specific location somewhere, and I know that specific name, and I know some of his specific locations and coincidentally, so yeah, yeah, yeah, so it concidentally it's an area I'm very familiar with myself, Okay, from near home on neat little little ponds, the meadows, and uh, may Cliff, I say that we go up there, you go up there and just drink some local beers and plays he's a musician. He plays his guitar, and it says, uh, of from then I get some some something happens in middle night. It might just be a knock at two in the morning or whatever. But very very near that location, and he'd mentioned that place randomly to me several years ago, and I don't think we even talking about that specific location. He's thrown a couple of names every but it's all touch right now. But within about a mile that there's a big deep canyon and there's an old logging road that goes down and it's all heavily timbered. And I have three different what I would call track ways that have come off these deep cut banks. I've sent them to.

1:04:10 I sent pictures of Joe we Lard to send him to. Cliff sent him to Todd Niece is another name. I'll mention if you know Todd, he actually within five minutes over here. Oh does he really that? Yeah, yeah, we had a couple of beers a month or so. We go like funny, but they're not definitive behind the means, but a couple of them not again. I'll send you some of these photos later on if you like, But yeah, definitely a couple of them are older and washed out. Even the best ones weren't. But the thing is, and even Cliff was trying to to poo poo on them, but it could be deer elk or bear. Well, I hunt dere a Elkinbert and I've seen a lot of deer and Elkinbert and I've seen a lot of tracks. First of all, these have a straight to edge. I'll said, okay, I'll I'll do it. Deer huff a bear and the substrate was in it was all very hard packed cut bank and they're long. You could think it was someone's And if there were people walking on this cut bank, it's a very very very remote road and in an area that people wouldn't have really very little reason to be up on that hill to be walking down. You could see if they stepped side hills trying to come down this cut bank where the feet could have slipped. But the the straight edge was only was about eight inches.

1:05:25 That's a short that's a small foot to be walking and making the impressions that were on this cut bank coming down. And then and then I found a couple older ones that were all very indeath on it. But you just see large impressions work walking up this cut bank again. And this is near where this little putamento is a what's his face like? To hang out out on the health that it was up there on it and it's in a remote, rugged little canyon. But and and I was up there about a three or four weeks ago, and I haven't been to this road and this cut banks for a couple of years now. I would I always look at the up banks is about two mile section there. That's it's thick brushy up high. The old bottom is just thick, rugged jungle. So I don't know, I don't know it made those impressions, but one of them. There's like five or six impressions going up this cut bank, and they're all sizeable.

1:06:15 They've got straight what i'd call toe edge. Yep, that's wild. That's all I got for wow. I mean, it's cool to hear that that area someone else has found something cool in an area close to that, you know. And I'm being vague, but you get same, like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. I've got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking whatever. I told that before. I've got no encounters, nothing, you know, from like nose and nose with me and we arm wrestled or whatever. But this has been look a fascinating chat of like just a lifetime of collected stories and like how I mean, you pretty much had some really cool experiences chatting with people involved with big Foot history in a way which is is very cool as well. But well, yeah, well you bet on my pleasure.

1:07:19 And like I said, I could throw other second or third or fourth fan stories, but these are all you know, fast majority. It's either those people I know and or the random thing at the gas station. The kid asked about big foot acers, but it was a personal key counter between he and I too, big Foot acres. We got to track that down. Listeners, if you know a big Foot acres is, please email me in big forciety at email dot com. We have to track my bound. Yeah. No, I'd loved you, I said, I'd love that, And there's a lot of roads that it's hard to say, and point I wish, I wish the kids still worked there, but you could on eighteen years work at a gas station twenty some years later or eighteen years however, we probably still working there. But anyway, so it's just you know, I have gone back and forth for never months and I said a lot of stories for you, Alan, some people might fall asleep on. I think that people are going to be very interested. My listeners love episodes like this.

1:08:09 Rick, Thank you so much for reaching out and I'm taking your time and this has been just a really fun chat. And keep me in the loop if anything else cool happens. Man, I know we're to find you. I said, I don't go out looking man, but I keep my eyes Bill. Definitely cool. All right, Hey, thank you so much to have a good evening here at Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening