30 Years of Bigfoot Encounters with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 2

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Anyway, guy comes out, punts
our gas. Yeah, starts talking about

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the dog and you love birds.
He goes, yeah, that's the last

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some second lab and and the love
bird and I just love getting out.

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Then he looks at me, asked
about grouse, something goes yeah, we

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hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, this a real good place

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up to clashness said. He kind
of tells us head. He goes,

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you ever heard of big Foot Acres? Big Foot acres? You know?

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Oh boy? Yeah, so it's
a little place ups out outside of Sequida.

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He gave me some rough directions.
I don't I didn't make No,

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there's enough roads and left area up
there. Ever heard of big foot acres?

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No? And somebody told me you
go up this one road, you

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go here, the are you ark
there and all that? And there's all

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kinds of grouse? He says,
So what's it called big Foot Acres?

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He goes big foot? Matter of
factly, he go is he there?

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And the and the kid goes,
shakes his head and turns to walk away.

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Helps another cars just pulled in.
Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, the

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podcast where we talk to those who
have experienced and research bigfoot. If you're

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into Bigfoot and sasquatch, Harryman,
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the right place. And this week's
episode, we'll be doing part two of

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my chat with Rick Rasmer and it
gets even deeper into his stories from the

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Pacific Northwest, and we'll jump right
back in to hear in some more perhaps

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Paul Freeman related incidents. It just
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without further ado, let's get back into

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our chat with Rick Rasmer from the
Pacific Northwest. Roughly ten years later,

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we're not in the same general area
in the wilderness, and my dad heard

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tree knocking. You know, we'd
split up. He was on a side

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canyon. So this is roughly October
again ELK season of nineteen ninety and it's

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just a continual He and I were
separated by a mile tree. I think

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I'd made a hunt around into another
canyon, working my way back up to

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where i'd meet him and he's on
this little side canyon kind of brushed to

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a little timbered canyon. Again it's
all wildham Syria and herd chopping. He

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said, it sound like someone cutting
wood, just continual chop, chop,

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chop, and it was off and
on. It was kind of adam member

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if there was a cadence to it
or whatever, but it was a wood

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knocking type of sound. And it
wasn't an area there was anyone ca after

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cutting firewood. And I think right
befogot to my dad, he was as

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he's working his way kind of up
into this drainage, this timbered drainage,

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he saw a bull elk down.
They're kind of coming from the same area

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where this shopping sound was coming from. But elk elk when they they do

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bang trees with their antlers, especially
any bulls do they knocked the velvet off

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late in the summer during the route
when they're in the rating season in September

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early October, they will they will
break trees and all that, but they

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don't chop, they don't chop chop, they they they scrape and rattled their

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antlers like crazy. So so this
this sound, this chopping went on for

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quite a while at you know,
whenever you hear about wooden knocking, you

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don't hear about repetitive knocking for hour
an hour or so. So it's just

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we heard he heard wooden knocking that
lasted like off and on for an hour,

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and that we not too cannible us
Again, what the answer was could

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have been that bull elk, but
that doesn't make a lot of sense.

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That's not typically the kind of knocking
they do with their antlers on wood.

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But again, coming all out of
that same that same country and smells and

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feelings and sensations and then woodknocking,
it's very weird all of that same area

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over ten years. Yeah, well, and and for for decades prior to

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and obviously decades after, there's been
you know, sidings and stories encounters coming

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out of there. So I just
see again there's are pieces of the fuzzle

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like, yeah, I don't have
a specific cancer prem but I do have

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actually a little better answer cutting into
place into all that. So it was

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right around. It might have been
that same year, might have been a

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year after we were hunting deer in
southeast Oregon. I've real I've seen my

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picture of kilomet and down. Now
that you've seen in that side, it's

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not that big deal. There's a
highly coveted deer tag in southeast organ called

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the Trout Creek Miltains Rifle deer tag
takes about twelve to fifteen years. Again,

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it's all high desert. It's five
six seven eight thousand foot desert country,

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aspens and all that stuff. Not
big Foot country, even though it's

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near the jar Bridge in Nevada,
which has some history as well. But

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but the thing is as an ironic
meeting. Again, this is right around

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the same time. So Dad and
I are down there hunting, and you

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know it was it was either it
was around eighty nine, ninety ninety one.

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Again, it would probably been early
October, where Elk seasons are late

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October. The Dear seasons are typically
like the first week of October. And

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uh, we're driving around. It
gets to be midday, it's it's getting

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pretty hot out. We pull over
and all of a sudden, I can't

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remember this, this rig was was
park there and we drove up on them,

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or we were parked being they drove
on us here and all of a

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sudden, well here pops out these
two good old good old boys. And

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then I'm talking head. We're talking
thirty three, thirty three years ago,

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we're out a couple of good old
boys. Well, we start talking with

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them. Then they live up in
the Pendleton Milton Freewater area, which is

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right up there on the edge of
the Blue Mountains, which is the Milk

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Creek water ship. We hain't haunt
two Canton wilderness. So we start chit

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chatting with them and find out there
their cattle, they're their ranchers, I

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remember, their cattle rashers or wheat
ranchers or what. So they start talking

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about that that country up there,
and they hunt up in that country.

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When my dad goes and as they're
saying this story, I go, hell,

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that's so my dad fives in because, well that's where he hanson been

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hunting up there for thirty years in
the wilderness. So I remember this one

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almost for made him as well.
So all of a sudden, one of

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those cowboys and these guys, so
thirty three years ago, my dad would

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have been in this mid fifties.
These guys are probably the seventy ish,

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and all of a sudden, one
of the guys kind of stops it,

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kind of tilts his head and asked, my dad, did you ever see

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anything in there? And so my
dad kind of caught me off guard,

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this old cowboys saying this when we're
out in the high desert of southeast Oregon,

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we're two hundred miles from the big
Foot country. And he just kind

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of stepped forward, you ever see
anything in there? Weird or something?

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And my dad kind of takes a
second and goes, mean big Foot and

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get my dad's not a believer by
any means, but just how he even

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responded that way, I expect he
probably would, especially with a question like

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that being asked. Yeah, And
so the guy goes on to tell us.

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Then they talk. They know Paul
Freeman, both these ranchers, He's

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done some work with the ranches over
the years. There's just kind of a

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big, old, easy going,
happy go lucky guy. And said that

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they had been approached back in those
days by some researchers of some sort I

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don't remember specific. I mean,
they were Bigfoot research. About what their

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credentials were, I don't recall,
But so I can't remember both the cowboys

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or one of them had, but
they had contact or they had been in

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touch with these cowboys they're this cowboy
slash cowboys wanted them to take these researchers

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into that we know how too Cannon
wilderness. So one of the cowboys did

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take him in and took him into
the canyon I was referring to earlier where

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I had this weird, this weird
ear re sensation my dad and I where

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I had heard that they smelled the
stench. The year later, they took

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these researcher guys into the bottom of
that canyon. Coincidentally, and then and

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I remember, this is this is
just the word for word thing. The

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cowboy looks at my dad says,
as sure as I'm standing here, that

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thing exists. Wow. So this
is, like I said, some seventy

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year old cowboy dude from the Blue
Mountains that we meet in the high desert

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of Oregon that has taken researches into
the bottom of this canyon in the wilderness.

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And as sure as I'm standing gear, that thing exists. So probably

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one of the more interesting stories I've
got. They said they found tracks.

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They looked like family of three,
a large track, a smaller track,

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and then a small one. They
said it looked like the small one and

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the big one got into a major
bout ground torn to heck, just rotor

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tild. But I also remember the
cowboys saying there was there was poop pieces

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there, and he goes for some
reason, those researchers didn't take a sample.

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Man, I this is this is
crazy red because I'm like, this

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is where I know someone in the
comments is gonna be like, come on,

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Jeremiah, that was totally this researcher
in this reason put it in the

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comments so I can know. And
again I'm talking this was right around nineteen

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ninety, so we're talking obviously a
while back. And when that experience or

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encounter happened where this cowboy took these
researchers in to the way out two cannibal

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wildness and went in the bottom of
the canyon, I don't know how far

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previously, and I can't remember when
when uh, let me see, Paul

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Freeman had his siding or his first
encounter at least like an eighty three ish,

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I think, yeah, well it
was your colosy was June eighty two.

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Okay, you're wallah wallah, Yeah
so pretty much. Yeah yeah so,

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And I'll get to that too,
because I've camped the Dutch Bringe many

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a time. But anyway, they
said, this is just this random encounter.

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We meet a couple of old culture
cowboys out in the night dessert and

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it ends up as sure as I
standing here that thing exists. That's amazing.

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Yeah, so wow, I mean
that's I mean, I worked for

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word. I remember that the ethics, So now who are the guys were?

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And then the conversation swayed from there
and then they had deer tags that

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took him ten to twelve fifteen years
a yet we had dear tags took as

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equally as long. And then hey, guys, that's the luck. And

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that was basically the end of our
conversation meetings. So that's incredible. Yeah.

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So so fast forward. I U
had a special elk tag up in

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that country a couple of times now, probably at ten years ago, eleven

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years ago, and we met a
couple that live up up Milk Creek.

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So you have the Milk Creek watershed
where it comes out of the watershed area

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that's close to public entry. It
drains I don't know, it runs fifteen

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miles until it hits the Walla Walla
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I think it's Walla Walla River.
It could be a two ship river too,

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But but Milk Creek as a leak
comes out of as you leave the

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town of Walla Walla and you start
heading up into the foot hills of the

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Blue Mountains. It wanders, it
goes along on the Washington side, then

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it kind of winds up into winds
down into Oregon, then curls back up

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into the watershed. And we met
a couple. I won't go on all

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the details. So we met him, but that lived right on Milk Creek,

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probably within five miles of the watershed, and they live right on the

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creek. It's we had mutual friends
who are so random. It was kind

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of silly. And we're sitting on
this cool little creek and early fall ten

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years ago, eating watermelon, had
a beer or two, and and this

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topic a big foot comes up because
they live. I mean, he's a

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dirt bike rider. He's got buddies
at dirt bike and they ride their quads

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all around the on the roads between
the watershed and the wheelers. Huh,

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Wendy Mark and Wendy so so uh. One evening we're down to their house

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along Milk Creek and it's a warm
evening, and I said it's probably that's

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probably early to mid September now,
so it's not too late in the year.

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But nice are getting cold, the
days are getting a warm still.

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And the topic of big Foot comes
up. And then Mark, who owned

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a local motorcycle dealership in Walla,
wall Out and his wife silly and goofy

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neat yal. He doesn't he's not
a believer. She's a believer. Now

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again, we're talking this roughly ten
years ago, so Mark, Mark is

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not a believer. Everybody told us
a story. And they've got they've got

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a couple of acres. The grave. The gravel road that goes up Mill

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Creek and go take you up into
the forest splits their property. So their

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house is on one side, were
along the creek side, then across the

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property they've got an acre or two. He's got some big boulders and some

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mumps. He right his dirt mikes, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff

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there. So he said a number
of years early and I can't remember how

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how many years earlier. They were
out there one evening, early two thousands,

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and it's kind of brushy and timbery
and as you get up across the

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creek across the property, it starts
the hill climbs up. This probably goes

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a thousand fifteen ynard feet up.
It's all self facing slope, and it's

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slow in off elevation. It's all
pretty much open grassy hillside for the most

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park could get. The sun hits
it. It's hot and dry in that

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part of the state, especially during
the summers, and there's little brushy drainages

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and draws that come down. But
down along the lower part there's quite a

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bit of timber. So again this
is Mark, the husband, who's not

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a believer, he says in the
evening, and again I don't have a

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ton of specifics on it. Again, roughly early two thousands, a deer

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came running down off the hill through
the trees and came flying right by them,

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and he runs across their property and
they look up in the trees where

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the deer came from, and uh, which is just to the north,

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they cut a glimpse of what looked
like a chimpanzee. And and as I

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again I was I'm looking nuts,
says he's not a believer, but to

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this day he questions what they saw. And I can't remember if wife Wendy

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saw the same thing or not,
but I said, wife Wendy's a believer.

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He's not, but he's He told
me that one story. This deer

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comes crying flying across. There's a
lot of deer down. There's a lot

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of whit tail deer in the lower
elevations. You got mulder at higher most

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like as a white tail. Who
knows, but the thing came just flying

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across and they look up where it
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Small some fat is really weird.
And he's not a believer, but

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he saw a chimpanzee. Wow,
Rick, I don't know a couple more

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than I'm gonna move on to local
stuff. You're still with me. I'm

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stutie, I'm still here. I'm
here, man, I'm not as sure

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as I like sharing this stuff.
It's pretty cool. This is the stuff

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he can't find in books. And
this is not if I love I don't

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think he can find it in books, right, Eric, It now definitely

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not only only only big book only
book. Ever, it's called next cell

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spreadsheet. Hey there you go so
up in that same country that this is

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one personal experience Uh, there's a
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and we went camping up there.
I think this is oh wait,

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Sin's July fifth. Oh wait.
And my wife actually came across some pictures

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were we're looking at today. So
my are of my heart. I keep

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saying, my boys are boys sixteen
fifteen years ago, so nine years old

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and seven roughly. We went out
one morning away twenty two rifles and went

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up just just target shooting. I
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them to get every little experience you
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and shoot twenty two. It's tended
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south of Jubilee Lake a couple of
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there, from Jubilee to de Duct
and the whole Blue Mountains has a ton

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of history, way back, a
little ways back recent and probably tomorrow too.

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So we go out and there's a
place I can't remember, it's called

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Big Sink or something like that.
A couple of drainages increase it come off

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and they kind of head off the
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side of the Blue Mountains, heading
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of in the general area. And
how many people even know that's been there,

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I don't know. But we go
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and go out to the plant twenty
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Mom at camp and so she can
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or not. So we go out
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to the east a little bit of
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road that was closed off. We
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off, which is fine, and
I can't remember we've put some targets out

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there. So behind us on to
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been logged, and and sizeable little
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this is this is even though it's
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very ACTI litally, I have no
idea. So we go out there and

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start shooting the twenty two s plink
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And there's again the heat of the
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mountain breeze, and there's squirrels and
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after after I heard the first one, it caught my attention. I didn't

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at first, but yeah, yeah, yeah, my dogs getting all excited

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outside of there. And now that
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I don't know exactly what birds they
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this start when we started planking the
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It was way off to the north, one hundred yards away, coming

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from that big patch of timber.
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of three or four whoops. And
again mid day, mid morning at tennis

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eleven o'clock or whatever. So again
I just I heard whoops, and the

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boys, whether they heard him or
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pointed him out. Then I think
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whoops each and that was it.
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a note. But I heard whoops. It could have been a bird,

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and it could not have been not
saying what it was or wasn't what it

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wasn't. But up in that part
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I said, I just I just
documented, make notes, and I then

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move on. So Milk Creek Watershed, which again is a close up public

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entry for all but like seven days
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it's outside of the Willerness Riders.
They're the Willerness Patrol teel it. Oh.

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Yeah, So back in nineteen ninety
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the elk tags for the Milk Creek
Watershed. And again this is a really

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highly committed tag. It takes ten, twelve, fifteen years to get the

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darned thing and uh the watershed rider
gallop. Then her name was Rowena and

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she had been a She had worked
for outfitters and guides for most of her

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life. So she was she is
a horse gal. She was an outdoorsy,

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she guided, she can't cooked,
She did all kind of stuff,

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and she was defiesing to get lost
in the woods or needed to be defended

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the woods. This is the gallow
want to be there. She was the

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rough and tumble gal. Didn't take
crap and her my dad or her my

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father got along grade they just chit
chatted. We talked with her a couple

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of times, and I just remember
my dad bringing up the topic because my

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dad's always been interested in the topic
of big foot. He's not I said,

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not to believe her by any reads
not says doesn't believe it. He

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doesn't believe, but he brought up
topic on. My dad will bring up

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a million topics during a conversation,
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And again, I think I'm going
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And she just and and she's because
there's there's a couple of pack trails to

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go up through the wilderness or excuse
me, through that watershed. Again,

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there's no public access or entry outside
of the one week end of the year.

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Sure, and over the course of
time, a lot of those trails,

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there's three or four of them,
they go up a couple of creek

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ballom standing up on the ridges.
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watershed patrollers have used over the years, just riding through the watershed. But

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for all intents and purposes, they
should never encounter anyone there. And that's

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what mean purpose is to keep people
out of the watershed. So they typically

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patrolled the perimeter of the watershed as
supposed the part of it. But she'd

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ride the trails. She loved riding
horses, so she'd ride those trails often

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enough. But there's not there's no
real maintenance up there, so and the

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winters are rough and brutal, and
just the nature of the mountains, trees

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fall down, downfalls, a brush
grows up and all that. So some

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of those trees are slowly just disappear
over time. So I think she just

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had a couple trails she did like
to ride, and then the rest of

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time is just driving vehicles up around
the perimeter the higher elevations and just making

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sure that trying to keep making sure
people just aren't stinking. The watershed order

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a purpose, a reason. But
anyway, my dad didn't bring up the

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topic with her, and she's now
she was adamant. Now then going back

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to my conversation or my story earlier
about Red the patrol rider back in the

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Savanies, Yeah, you know other
and I don't bother him. He doesn't

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bother me. So row enis is
that i've and she's been patrolling at that

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point in ninety six, she's been
in patroling. I think she's down to

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her last year or two prior to
retirement at that point that she's been patrolling

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for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years. I've never seen anything that was her

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story. So now there's a Hispanic
gentleman. I can't remember his name.

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I've talked with him a couple of
times, and I actually encountered him last

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last year and end of August.
Big guy. He takes his job extremely

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seriously because they also he is a
floor service service excuse me for service employee,

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and some of the roads around there, you can't have a TV side

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by sides dirt by unless there's street
legal and license, and he's he enforces

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that lot of the teeth. So
he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping

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people out of the watershed, he
does actually patrol some of the adjacent force

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roads up there. You had a
lot of people up there with some dirt

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bike trails that are real popular,
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So anyway, I said, I
ran into him last year. We

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hit chat about previously about eight years
earlier. We had another ELK tag up

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there and my my wife saying father
and I maybe the kids are with us.

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I can recall I met the gentleman
I can't remember his name now,

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and again as a neat guy,
very adamant about his position, his job.

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But eight years ago, and once
again, my dad throws at the

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big Foot topic at him like you
did, Rowena, the Gallup patrol patroller,

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you ten fifteen years earlier, that
big foot. Interesting thing about this

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his fanic gentleman, He was adamant
it doesn't exist. But he starts throwing

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stuff out there. He starts throwing
out details that only those that really follow

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its researched the subject would know.
They've never found a bone, never found

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bones, there's never been a body. Oh sure, Yeah, he's starts

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throwing more out there that a naysayer
or someone in denial or protecting would throw

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out there. He knew a lot
more about the topic than I've never seen

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one. It was just interesting.
Oh yes, as Dad is talking to

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him, this yeh, he saw
it, and there is they're never found

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bones and fround the body. An
he threw some other things out there.

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This is how do you even know
they haven't unless you've actually researched the subject.

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And again this, this Rowena and
this gentleman are in the same position

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that Paul Freeman had right Joelan Milk
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So, so I never met Paul
Freeman red, I never messed about

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these last two. So Rowena Rook
his riding her horses through will and it's

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on or the watershed on trails that
don't see people theoretically ever, so she

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has a milk preek water shied to
herself. And this gentleman here, I

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don't think he's a horse guys as
much as he has probably a driving his

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truck around the perimeter of the perimeters. But he's s stuff out there.

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If if he doesn't exist, and
you have no interests or knowledge that he

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didn't say he had no interest knowledge, but from the way his responses,

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he had an interest in knowledge in
the topic. So uh, and maybe

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he never has seen or anything,
but anyway, it's just it was it

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was interesting his response, there doesn't
exist nothing there because and they've never found

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bones, that there's no pictures on
and on. So it was just an

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interesting response from a patrol water ship
patrol guy. And then maybe maybe he's

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I said, maybe he's being honest. He has never seen anything, and

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and here's the reasons why, because
he doesn't exist because there are no bones

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or pictures or bodies. So the
last story on this and then yeah,

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this is my own experience. It
was just weird. So I had that

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Elk tag archerylktag this last summer and
had a weird thing. This is outside

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the water shed, no creek,
water ship, it's outside the way,

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not too the cannon wellness, but
it's in adjacent drainage. Is again a

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very difficult tad to get. They
don't give out a lot of tags.

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Have the whole world yourself, really, and it's just neat remote country.

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I'm at the bottom of this one
canyon. It's not a real deep canyon,

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open timber. You can see for
shoot, one hundred hundred fifty yards,

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big trees, a little bit of
rush and downfalls, but just open

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country. And I had Elk in
their buglein. I was getting too and

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and there's some other hunters in that
unit, but I hadn't seen any vehicles

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or anyone that where I was going
into this dropping this little side canyon.

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That road drive goes right along the
ridge next to it. So not overly

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remote, but still just a lot
of country. I get down the bottom,

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it's getting late afternoon, said,
right now, it's what almost seven

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o'clock here is probably right at the
same time, last hour or two a

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daylight. Get down there. I've
got some milk veugle and all that stuff,

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and I'm walking down. I got
down. I had to hike from

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like from them where I parked up
high. It's probably about a twenty minute

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hike. And then gets down this
big open or open timbered flats shoot four

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or five of yards acrossed and I
can see real well, and I'm walking

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through the timber, and all of
a sudden I hear this deep, deep

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voice seven and as someone said the
number seven, and I stopped. I

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thought, crap, is there someone
else down here? Because there's bull elk

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veugle, and this is what we're
all hunting for. Did I stumble on

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some hunters in here? And right
where the noise came from? To my

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kind of from from me to the
left fifty seventy five yards it seemed,

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I mean, I can see the
whole thing four us. It's a big

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open timber. There's no one there. Now, Well, if there's hunters

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down there is there's a human voice, but a very deep, deep guttural

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throaty voice. Seven. I stopped
and I go one back out of this.

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There's other hunters down here. I'm
not gonna go and fringe on them

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if they're if they're working these elk
that are down here bugling and calling us,

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I don't I don't need any conflict
if they're already down here. So

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I stopped and I sat down for
about five or ten minutes, and the

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voice I heard that the seven well
should have been within my view of my

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light, aside as open timber,
a little clumps of rushing there, there's

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nothing that would hide anyone. I
mean, they could be behind a tree

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and get out of sight whatever.
But I stay there for about five or

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ten minutes and there's no one there. So well, that was just weird.

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So I thought, well, I'm
gonna start walking very cautiously, and

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maybe someone is there. Maybe they're
sitting there waiting and maybe they saw me,

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maybe they didn't, maybe they're still
focused on these out that a couple

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hundred years of voice pre eminent bugle
into the timber out further in the flat,

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towards where they creek is in the
bottom. And I start walking and

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there's been a lot elk and there's
there's really good game trails, even though

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it's there's downfalls, it's it's some
dry bone drives being crunchy. So I

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00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.680
started walking real slowly because if there's
hunters there, says I. I heard

404
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.160
you say seven. I don't know
why you said the number seven, And

405
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.079
but if there's hunters there's okay,
then I'll get out of your hair.

406
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.720
I'm not coming, friends, But
I started walking. I'm looking. I've

407
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.880
been there, I said, been
five or ten minutes. I never saw

408
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.240
a soul. And why I didn't
hear in my head that I heard some

409
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.000
I heard a deep voice say seven, and very very very like there's a

410
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:47.839
deep already. That's some weird stuff, man. Yeah, and I'm a

411
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:52.839
realist. Man. That's just that's
I can't explain it. But once again,

412
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.119
just something something notes for the archives. Okay, can I get out

413
00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.279
of this chapter three? Final chapter? Heck? Yes, all right?

414
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:07.319
My my local neighborhood, mount Hood
and the northern Orgon Cascades. Simple again,

415
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.279
it's the same thing. It's just
friends, acquaintances whatever. So I

416
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.200
mentioned a little bit ago about these
twin brothers, good good friends of mine.

417
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.119
Robin Dennis will call him, and
that's what their wives call him too.

418
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.640
They grew up in Esticada, which
is the Clackness River, which is

419
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.880
the Bigfoot Highway that Joe wrote his
book about. And they grew up in

420
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.200
little community of Esticada, which is
growing like crazy now. But they lived

421
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.160
a few miles south of the extremely
west of Vestikada, and there's a main

422
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.839
highway that goes from the Portland metro
area Milwaukee Clackness out to Esticada. And

423
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:49.759
they lived about a mile off the
highway down in, down In, right

424
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:56.240
along the Columbia River and a little
bit of kind of he referred to his

425
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.720
Hapi communist dad as a Vietnam Vet. Mom's just salts the earth nique goal.

426
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.359
And they just lived in this little
communal neighborhood off the highway. And

427
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:10.400
again we're talking now in the seventies, probably early eighties, and lived in

428
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.680
this I came remember the name of
the neighborhood, but ten fifteen homes where

429
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:18.039
you go out across the flash and
kind of dropped down to the level of

430
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.680
the club. They're the clack of
Mysh River down there. So one brother

431
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.960
Dennis, and again as I look
at my notes here, in mid seventies,

432
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.240
he they had a yellow lab named
Mood and again, the bus would

433
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.000
drop them up on the highway,
so they had like a mile walk to

434
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.440
home, and they're they're out the
cut or they're they're mountain kids and all

435
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.799
that, and no one it wasn't
that big a deal back then. Your

436
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:41.920
kids walked the mile to the Butts
stop in the morning, they walked a

437
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.680
mile off home. They I'm gonna
bust drop them off in the afternoon.

438
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.920
So for some reason it was just
one of them was just Dennis. Rob

439
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.000
wasn't with And I don't remember this
whole reason why, but so h and

440
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.240
but every time every day in the
afternoon, I guess Moon, their yellow

441
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.559
lab would walk them to the bus
in the morning and go home. Then

442
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.599
Moon would go to go the mile, jaunted up to the highway and be

443
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.400
there waiting for the boys get off
the bus in the afternoon after school.

444
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.960
So Dennis gets off the bus one
afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting for him.

445
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.000
And it probably got a roughly a
half mile across some flat, open

446
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:17.000
pastury stuff in the road just kind
of starts winding down to the clackmis Freever

447
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.880
bottom three four or five hundred ft
elevation drop roughly all timber and this is

448
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.319
the twin brothers. So Dennis,
he's walking, he goes across the flats,

449
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.000
he starts walking the gravel road,
heading down the side hill and it's

450
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.640
a temper and all of a sudden, he said, moon Moon just stops

451
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.160
and starts staring up from the timber. And again this kind of where I

452
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.200
started kind of filling up. At
least I think he's looking off to the

453
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:44.000
right downhill and all setting, all
hell breaks loose, and this big,

454
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:49.000
tall, dark hair covered thing takes
off running through There's ferns and trees and

455
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.119
a lot of brush and all that
takes off running. And I remember one

456
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.240
of the things there was a tall
standing snag or stuff. The thing ran

457
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:02.279
through this stump and the thing exploded. The stumped it and kept on running.

458
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.920
And I've also in addition to the
stump that exploded that this thing ran

459
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.559
through. One other thing that really
reminds me sticks in my mind is Dennis

460
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.440
says it looked like it had a
quiver over at shoulder. We'll be back

461
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:22.720
with more big Foot Society after these
words from our sponsors, And to this

462
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.319
day that's man. I think that
just looked like it had an arrow quiver

463
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.680
stuck over its shoulder over it's back
over shoulders. So because you've heard stories

464
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.119
of clothing and whatever I have over
the years. Whatever, And then he

465
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.000
goes, yeah, and how he
reacted whatever. But then him and Moon

466
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.000
continue to walk at home, and
that was in the story. So that's

467
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.160
only experienced Dennis ever had. And
the funny thing is whenever he and I

468
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.559
do talk about her, he goes, I don't share that story. It's

469
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.039
anyone and his twin brother. They
I mean, these are twin brothers that

470
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.880
they're still attached to the hip.
They've been involved in business or both in

471
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.000
early retirement in their late fifties,
been home builders. They talk daily,

472
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.680
They do a lot of stuff together. Their their wives are good friends.

473
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.400
They a lot. Dennis will not
bring the topic up around his twin brother

474
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.599
Rob because robed last set m So
the one thing in the entire lives that

475
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.960
they probably don't share is I mean
they've obviously shared it, but but Dennis

476
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.200
just doesn't sure share it with anyway. As as we know, a lot

477
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.559
of people don't share their stories are
encounters, But no they don't. Are

478
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.000
they waiting until they're retired and not
a cop anymore? That's in big thing

479
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.440
too, right, Yeah, there's
that too. So so anyway, that's

480
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.799
that as story, and I and
he and I don't even talk about it,

481
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.039
but like every five years or so
or six seven, who knows,

482
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.359
we might be having a beer or
something medos this. But I already know

483
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.440
his story. He's he already knows. He shared it with me, and

484
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.880
there's no reason talking more about it. I did invite him, actually that

485
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:38.839
thing that Joe Bilart sent us up
to by Scoop and Meadows again, however

486
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.519
many years ago fifteen, sixteen,
seventy and eighteen, I don't remember,

487
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.599
but I didn't invite Dennis. But
he just yeah, yeah, he had

488
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:52.960
his experience, his encounter, and
that's he's he's good with that. So

489
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.599
so moving on to that. Another
gentleman, this guy played played some softball

490
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.240
with it against years ago, back
and going back probably they and then through

491
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:07.599
a mutual hunting forum that we both
belong to, he saw my name on

492
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.079
there and he's active on this and
this going back several years as well.

493
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.799
But up here where I lived,
for where we liver, at the base

494
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.559
of Mount Hood, the Salmon Huckleberry
Wilderness, you got mounthood wilderness. You

495
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.559
got the Bull Run Watershed, which
is the water the watershed for the Portland

496
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.279
metropolitan area, which is a much
larger watership Milk Creek for Walla Wallah.

497
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.680
This is the watershed that's feeding hundreds
of thousands of people, not tens of

498
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.319
thousands, and close a public entry. So we're in, We're up.

499
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:36.200
I've got mountains, we got wilderness, everything around here. So this gentleman

500
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.559
Scott, who I had played ball
with, he shared a story with me

501
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:44.960
again several years ago. But we
have three rivers that come together down here,

502
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.039
the Salmon River, the Sandy River, and the zig Zag River.

503
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.240
And there's a cool little golf course, beautiful golf course actually right where these

504
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.599
rivers come together, and also used
to be some fantastic salmon and seal had

505
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.880
fishing back in the day. Not
nearly as as a fruitful as it used

506
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.839
to be. But he told me
a story a while back where he was

507
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.079
going to fish. One of He's
going down the golf course to access the

508
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:14.880
Salmon River to go fishing one morning, and saw had a big foot run

509
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.519
across the fairway in front of him, like right at daybreak and right off

510
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.440
the back side of that Salmon river. It's it's just all salmon Huckleberry Wilderness,

511
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:28.640
which has its own number of stories
and encounters and sidings from Begain over

512
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.640
the over the decades. So and
as simple as that, it's a bit

513
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.599
of been the eighties early nineties.
Yea early morning and there's some homes there,

514
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.160
really nice homes. Lost of golf
this golf course on some sides,

515
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.039
but once you get to that river
side, it's all willows on the back

516
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.119
side. But he yet big Foot, Homember exactly said just something tall and

517
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.640
harry. But he we're messaging back
and forth, I think email or whatever,

518
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.440
messaging through this hunting for him.
Maybe I can't recall exactly how the

519
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:58.319
communication exchange, But tell me about
had big Foot run across the dank fairway

520
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.079
this golf fairway front of the long
way to go fish to salary everyone,

521
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.519
which would have been midsummer, because
that's typically it was a it was a

522
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.679
summer steal at fishery, which July
August at Timber October is the really the

523
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.679
prime season or time of year for
that fishery back in the day when it

524
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.480
was popular fishery. And again the
whole area highway twenty six. He goes

525
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.440
over Mounthood. There's the cliff has
mentioned several stories. There's been some other

526
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.039
stuff. I mean, where we
live here, I've I throw off a

527
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.239
number of stories I've heard over the
years. But these are just stories I've

528
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.960
heard the around people I personally know
and or have heard those those stories from

529
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:39.199
them. So and another acquaintance of
mine a little further south. Timothy Lake

530
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:44.079
is a big popular lake in the
North Cascades here, it's just south of

531
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.840
Mounthood. Acquaintance of mine. I
don't know him real well, but he's

532
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.920
a good friends. But another good
friend of mine, which I'll get you

533
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.960
a bit, but he was brought
around two thousand hunting again from our house

534
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.800
here. It's he's probably twenty thirty
miles south of here, Remo Hilaria right

535
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.280
along and there's a big or a
warm Springs Indian reservation that you we can't

536
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:12.199
hunt tom and he is down there
hunting. One evening he had camped in

537
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.639
this remote little camp spot, not
even camp round, just spiting park.

538
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.079
Drig hiked in a mile or two
and elk grew. The elk make a

539
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.519
lot of noise during their rep on
their mating season and elk rebugl and all

540
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:23.639
that, and they said, all
of a sudden, it fan like that,

541
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.320
its just shut off. And it
was late in the evening, but

542
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.760
he thought it was just kind of
weird the way they just shut down,

543
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.639
just and he was in the timber
they're echoing all over at and it was

544
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.840
late, late enough I don't think
he had could really hunt, but he's

545
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.920
kind of at a lady needs scoured
for the next day, and he had

546
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.280
a buddy coming up to meet him
that night to camp with him, so

547
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.960
uh some. So this guy he
goes back to us truck. I can't

548
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.000
remember if he had a canopy on
his the bit of his pickup. Kind

549
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.400
of think that's what it was.
And so he gets back to his truck,

550
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.719
gets roughly that time of archers and
it's probably getting dark nine nine thirty,

551
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.440
so gets him the bed of his
pickup around ten. Again. I

552
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.559
don't remember all the exact details,
but about a half hour after he's in

553
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.920
his pickup, all of a sudden, his truck shutters, it shakes whoa,

554
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.760
And he wasn't expecting his buddy there
till later I can't remember midnight,

555
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.320
ish after midnight or whatever, I
mean, it's not that far out there

556
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.599
from the Portland Metro. I don'
remember where his buddy is coming from,

557
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.800
but what the old schedule was.
But he expecting his buddy later than and

558
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.320
and no vehicles came up because there's
year. He's a pretty remote part of

559
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.280
the forest, where as he wasn't
on a main road. He's off a

560
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.760
side road back up back in the
timber there. I don't know exactly where

561
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.039
his camp, but I had a
pretty good idea. And the truck shutters,

562
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.719
and he's might he goes, my
buddy's screwing with me, no headlights

563
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.599
and it's dead quiet out that time
a night you'd heard a vehicle within a

564
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.400
half mile or a mile I yet
approaching headlights or here her a vehicle,

565
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.800
heard nothing, and the truck shouter. I can't here if he did it

566
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.639
more than once, may have,
may not have. But it freaked him

567
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.719
out, and I thought his buddy
screwn with him. And I can't remember

568
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.159
if he didn't, if he couldn't
fall asleep, or if he opened his

569
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.840
canopy and shown a flash. I
don't remember any of those details at all,

570
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.440
but I know it really kind of
waked him out. And then a

571
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.440
couple of hours later his buddy shows
up. Whether it's midnight or still again,

572
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.119
I can't remember specifics, but he
and I had that conversation number of

573
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.760
years ago, but he just what
shook my truth in the night or you

574
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.559
know, in the late evening.
So and and he's got I've got another

575
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.199
story with him here in a little
bit so so something something bumped his truck

576
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:37.480
at night. So next story up
the clash Mus River, which is is

577
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:44.239
kind of all the Clackmus River rip
area as well. Again Joe Bilert's country,

578
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.239
Uh, good friend of mine,
Sean, And this looks like this

579
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.960
is probably around two thousand and two
now, so again we're going back a

580
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.719
little bit. But uh, he's
hutting up there with his father and I

581
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:59.719
think his brother, and they're up
a remote little road some and some older

582
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:07.519
clear cuts up there, and Sean
climbed up the hill and again just kind

583
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.360
of the picture I've got, they
parked at a dead end road and probably

584
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.199
a big round gravel turnabout, so
the trucks parked there, him and his

585
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.239
dad and again maybe brother than brothers, and Sean starts working his way up

586
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.159
the hill deer hunting. I believe, so it would have been early August

587
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.679
dark excusing early October. So Sean
watch his way up a hill. It

588
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.280
gets way up above this older clear
cut. The clear cut is I'm inn

589
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.679
estimate to the trees in this country. You can grow back pretty quick.

590
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.280
Within five or ten years. You're
starting to get some trees are probably he

591
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.239
know it's ten twenty foot tall if
they've been replanted. He got way up

592
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.599
above on the clear cut, and
he gets up there and he can see

593
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:44.920
that, he can see their pickup
for their truck parked way down below.

594
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.159
And whether it's two hundred yards or
a thousand yards, I don't know.

595
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.360
Is is waist down there? I'm
sure. Then all of a sudden down

596
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.159
below Sean. And this again from
what I recollect it is probably midday,

597
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:59.480
early late at or late morning,
midday, early afternoon, all of a

598
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.039
sudden, down below Sean on a
pretty steep slope, this big boulder just

599
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.559
flying straight up in the air really
and comes down. Then is you didn't

600
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.960
hear the thud of it coming down? Then this big boulder goes back up

601
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.880
in the air and comes down.
And I don't remember how many times it

602
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.920
happened, two, three, four
or five times, I recall, but

603
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.159
he's going, someone's screwn with me
here, and I since I recall,

604
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:28.800
he said somebody thought it might be
his brother. And he shouts out,

605
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.679
and how far this was down?
I don't think it's a long distance away,

606
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.320
but I'm estimating probably it might have
been thirty to fifty yards down down

607
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.480
the hill below him. But the
big rock flying way up in there coming

608
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.239
down and not sudding when he hits
the ground. Then he's he made a

609
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.639
comment to something like, hey,
no, it's you or screwed, which

610
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.280
screwed with me? Whatever. Then
he sees his brother and his dad way

611
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:51.880
down down on the trucks moments later. So it wasn't his brother, wasn't

612
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:57.159
his father? And uh, and
he's he and I've talked about it a

613
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.440
couple of times. He goes he
always had an eerie feeling when he drove

614
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.679
this little road that went back to
that little gravel parking area where so he

615
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.559
and I we've actually been talking.
I just talked with them a week or

616
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.239
two. I guess is go up
in the forest these days, there's so

617
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.000
many thinks. People up there at
weekends are just as zoo. Almost you

618
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.559
can't. You can't get away from
people. It seems like anymore people will

619
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.920
get in the woods because our forest
is extremely thick and rugged. But they're

620
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.920
camp at the end of the roads. They're hike in. They're going all

621
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.079
the lakes and recreation areas and trailheads
and whatever. But he just got a

622
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.360
new job where he has fridays off, and I have a relatively flexible schedule,

623
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.519
So I told him him, once
you get in your new job,

624
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.400
you squared away. Let's sneak up
there for a Friday. I want to

625
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.599
go up. He hasn't been up
there for several years himself, but he's

626
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.880
always had this weird, weird earie
feeling about that place, even prior to

627
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.880
this raw tossing incident. So I'm
just curious where he's at. I don't

628
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.840
even I just know he's up the
Clackness River somewhere. But yeah, rock

629
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.039
flying up in the air coming down. I did, you went up several

630
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.159
times and never acided when hit the
ground, Because rocks like that, you're

631
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.840
gonna you're gonna hear it, plus
feel it. Wow, that's man sign

632
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.920
was cleaning out catching it. Yeah, And then I said that he made

633
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.079
some comment I remember me to comment, he thought, Okay, I know

634
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.559
it's you. Well, so it's
just and then there's brother and dad way

635
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.119
down to the truck and one hundreds
of yards away. So so I don't

636
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.760
have any answers for it. I
just got questions. Yeah, exactly,

637
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.039
all right. So where we live, we live in one of the major

638
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.840
river drains come off some mount comes
off Mount Hood, which is in eleven

639
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.400
thousand plus foot door and Volcano.
It's the top of the mountains like seven

640
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:36.360
miles from us right now. And
again from where we're at, to the

641
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.480
south of us, we've got zig
Zag Mountain twenty twenty five feet above us.

642
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.360
Behind us, we've got the bull
Run waters or excuse yeah, the

643
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.079
bull Run Watershed, which is another
fifteen hundred two thouand feet to the riche

644
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.079
top above us, and the zig
Zag Mountain to the south of us has

645
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.519
some stories on it, you know, I'll throw a few of those a

646
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.599
yeah. But just up the road
from us, we have an older gentleman

647
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.960
who his brother's a log home builder
in the area, and he's been involved

648
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.880
in the building trades himself. I
don't he's more. He's pretty much hired

649
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:08.039
now. But so he lives not
even not even a half mile throw from

650
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:14.239
this quarter mile. Problemly, Tom
and uh as we were with him,

651
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.239
I guess when I was at fourth
of July. I left him a couple

652
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.679
of weeks ago, and I'd heard, I knew he had stories. But

653
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.880
our friends that live up there as
well. There are his neighbors, the

654
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.159
friend of Chris, and said he
got to Psalm sometime, and I'll think

655
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.440
Chris actually had a story too.
But so a couple of weeks ago I

656
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.559
finally got to ask Tom. So
he has two kind of similar stories.

657
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.079
But when he started clearing his land
to build his home up there. So

658
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.000
again, this is a sandy river
drainage is roughly a quarter mile half mile

659
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.440
wide. It's all the whole mud
flows from mount or a mount hood is

660
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.800
erupted over the years, and just
the whole valley is a mud flow.

661
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.159
Then the forest builds up and grows
up, so it's a relatively flat down

662
00:42:50.239 --> 00:43:00.239
here. So Tom was clearing his
land roughly early two thousands and then and

663
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.960
probably very two similar stories. And
then a couple of years later he used

664
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.280
to go to work really early in
the mornings. Again, I don't remember

665
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.639
if he was contractor back then her
home construction and what but two very similar

666
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.199
stories and there early two thousands and
a couple of years later, he'd be

667
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.320
out there early in the morning,
have have a cup of coffee, have

668
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.400
a cigarette. In two different times
he's been out there early in the morning

669
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:31.280
and boulders went flying across his his
yard. Really, yes, oh man,

670
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:35.079
you and the difference between the two
stories that he gave me, there

671
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.199
were two different times that had happened. And so he told our friend Chris

672
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:43.320
whom we're better friends with, that
that Tom we know pretty well. But

673
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.559
yeah, so, yeah, he's
been out there three in the morning,

674
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.159
a cigarette, drinking coffee, clearing
the land. And he's been up here

675
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.760
long enough. Twenty some year,
twentieth years ago, there wasn't as there's

676
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.440
there's been. There's several homes up
our our valley, but not at Ton.

677
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.400
But yeah, he's probably one of
the earlier people developing the land up

678
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.480
here and clearing it and putting his
home on. Yeah, you're after them.

679
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.840
Early in the morning. Then Dane
Boulder was playing across from one tree

680
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.000
line out across your yard and boulders
how big they are I don't know,

681
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.239
but random random at you know,
three in the morning, and happened on

682
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.719
two different occasions over the course of
a couple of years, and the right

683
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.159
time for weird stuff with big Foot
to happen too am in the morning.

684
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:28.079
No down, man, So let
me see as I'm looking at my notes

685
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:29.800
here. So yeah, okay,
this is ties in him as well.

686
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:36.360
He mentioned a so like said that
up behind his house as well, just

687
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:40.559
south of him is this zigzag mountain, which is it is one rugged,

688
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.079
steep, thick, bluffy mountain side
there's there's a trail on the top.

689
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.000
There's a couple of trails to go
up this side, up some creek rainages

690
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.719
to some some lakes. They're all
hike in lakes. And I want to

691
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.199
go hike that face that mountain down
this side. It's gonna be brutal.

692
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.519
I wouldn't hike up, but I
don't know if any you could think you

693
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.280
could, but you wouldn't want to
do it again. Coming down won't be

694
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.519
a whole lot more pleasant because this
his steep, rugged, and there's some

695
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.039
bluffy stuff. There's a lot of
thick, elder thick. It's it's just

696
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.840
it's it's it's a no man's land, so to speak, for the most

697
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.320
part. But anyway, so tom
as I'm looking at my notes here,

698
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.679
he heard of bellowing howl coming up
off of there. It lasted like thirty

699
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:22.440
seconds. He so above his house, which again he is that direction from

700
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.320
you again less than a half mile
and then he said, like last like

701
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.519
thirty seconds. And then he got
a response down zig Zag ridge later,

702
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:37.199
I mean immediate response. So let
me see the notes. Bellowing hell up

703
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.440
on Zigzag Mountain. Then thirty seconds
later response down the ridge to the west.

704
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.679
Then and I and I said,
he just told me this story a

705
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.159
few ways ago. But at the
rates he says, he goes, you

706
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.840
ever seen it's funny big foot.
It sounds like what bobo the sam Bobo

707
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:55.360
makes. Man, well, that
freaked me out. I've alway, that's

708
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.280
that's one of my things where X
someday I want to hear vocalization like that

709
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.519
someday. Man. Now, well, boy, and it's that's right behind

710
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:08.760
us. I mean, that's wow. I can long range right, It's

711
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.199
it's a crow flies. It's five
six hundred yards behind me. It's the

712
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.400
side of the Zigzag Mountain and it
runs for seven eight ten miles that way,

713
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:21.159
right up two mount Hood. So
I will jump forward a little bit.

714
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.280
So our our mutual friend Chris,
him and his wife and kids live

715
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.960
right there next to Tom his young
daughter Lily. And this is going back

716
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.400
roughly twenty ten. They hurt screams
up on the back side of the Zigzag

717
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:38.000
Mountain and uh Lily, who was
roughly about eight. Then I remember Chris

718
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.079
and Dad telling me this he goes, let it goes. There's something up

719
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:46.400
there. So Chris are up there, and and I think most of these

720
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.679
the call that Tom talked about what
is and what chrismally, I think they've

721
00:46:51.719 --> 00:47:00.400
been springtime vocalizations. And again I'm
pretty sure I don't I don't have exact

722
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.719
dates or times whatever. It seems
to me it's been like March April,

723
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.559
mayage type of stuff. We'll be
back with more big Foot Society after these

724
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:19.320
words from our sponsors, So only
a couple more for you. So again,

725
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.159
over outside of Esticada on the clack
Mus River, are you very familiar

726
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.320
with this country? Up here?
I have the Oregon Big Foot Highway,

727
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.159
and so I know when you say
stuff like Esticada and the exact mount I

728
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:37.199
know like they sound very familiar.
But I've never like actually gone out to

729
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.519
the area yet personally, but like
I've I've read the book by Joe.

730
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.159
Well, yeah, I've got to
get it. So yeah. So esticadd

731
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.360
yes, the clack where the clack
Mus River comes out of our Cascade mountains.

732
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.079
Esticada is like get the the Gateway. It's where the mountains meet and

733
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.079
the foothills meet the flatlands. And
that's Esticada. Small little rural community had

734
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.079
been there for a million years whatever, but it's grown by crazy now and

735
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:04.239
in the a ton of rick creation
that goes up but up the Clapmas River,

736
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.280
a lot of camping, a lot
of water play, and a lot

737
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:07.599
of fish and all that stuff.
Just a bunch of people, especially in

738
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.199
the summertime, go up that way, and there's some people live up there.

739
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.239
But but away from that, down
towards Aggresham, which is one of

740
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.679
our bigger, more bedroom communities to
Portland, a little community outside of that

741
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.519
called Boring. Again, I'm going
back to years ago. Now, I've

742
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:24.320
as I put these snows together over
the accumulated over the years, I kind

743
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.239
of estimated some of them so roughly
around five eighteen years ago. I've always

744
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.639
had. I've always had dogs.
I we chocolate labs in particular, and

745
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.840
loved the bird hunt. I just
like getting out my dog and busting my

746
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.960
butt and sweating and having a good
time with the dog and get family out

747
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.280
there whatever, sometimes spending days so
friends. So one day I pull up

748
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.840
in this little gas station in the
town of Boring, Oregon, and I

749
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.760
got my dog with me. It's
summertime, windows rolled down, dogs sticking

750
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:51.599
her head out. Every time you
go to a gas station, you're hoping

751
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.519
they'll give him a milk bone to
chill on. And uh. A young

752
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:01.400
dude comes up pumps our gas because
because we still we're just finally be getting

753
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:07.280
getting to up our own gas out
here. It's been attendant served for forever.

754
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.880
Anyway, guy comes out, punts
our gas. Ye starts talking about

755
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:14.840
the dog and you love birds.
He goes, yeah, that's my second

756
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:16.800
lab, and and love bird hunt
and this love getting out. Then he

757
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.159
looks at me and he starts talking
about hunting grouse, which I hunt of

758
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.159
grouse a little bit. They're more
of a forest bird where I hunt the

759
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.000
other types of birds, peasant,
chopt or whatever. And I found this

760
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.320
some grouse and fond to hunt and
he can get to go on the forest.

761
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:31.639
And asked about grouse something. He
goes, yeah, we hunt almost

762
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.360
anything. Then he goes, yeah, this is a real good place up

763
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.000
to the clashness. Then he kind
of tells us head. He goes,

764
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.559
you ever heard of big Foot Acres? Big Foot Acres? You know?

765
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.519
Oh boy? Yeah, So it's
a little place upside outside of Sequida.

766
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:51.079
He gave me some rough directions.
I don't I didn't make No, there's

767
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.880
enough roads and left area up there. Ever heard of big Foot Acres?

768
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.880
No? And so he told me
you got up this one road, you

769
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.960
go here there, you arc there
and all that, and there's all kinds

770
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.000
of grouse. He says, So
why it's called big Foot Acres? He

771
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:06.159
goes big foot matter of factly you
go, is he there? And and

772
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.800
the kid goes, shakes his head
and turns to walk away. Helps another

773
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:17.079
cars just pulled in. Philip book
gass. Oh wow, okay. So

774
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.840
that being said, there's a ranger
station in estigated Esticad, a ranger district,

775
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.119
ranger station for the moth At National
Forest. And I've heard stories for

776
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.920
years. You may have, I
know Joe has and Cliff has and other

777
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:35.679
people. But supposedly there's a sightings
book in there that doesn't exist. Doesn't

778
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.639
exist exactly. You go escort and
they don't know what you're talking about.

779
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.239
But supposedly there's a book there.
And I've heard that for twenty years.

780
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.000
There's any gotta be and I know, and I know people have gone in

781
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.280
and asking for it and then they
having you know what you're talking about?

782
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.199
Rick, did you ever go up
to big Foot acres? I never got

783
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.719
the exact as he gave me the
rough up here, there's so many forest

784
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.400
roads and again once she gets Cicada
up in the area where it was,

785
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.400
there's some ranches and some uh there's
no communities or talents up there, but

786
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.000
there's there's just plane of logging roads
and forest roads and this and that.

787
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:13.199
He gave me a rough idea.
I mean, it's just a casual chat.

788
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.960
I wasn't. I mean, I
obviously interested Bigfoot, but as he

789
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.000
gave me that info and I tried
to make a mental note, but then

790
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.519
as I tried to fine tune it, it's that all that countries big Foot

791
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.960
can trip there. No absolutely so
absolutely applies to go to the exact road

792
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.800
to the dead end and go to
big Foot Acres to look for grouse slash

793
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.599
bigfoot. I probably had as much
a chance of going down another road and

794
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.280
take it right instead of a left
and probably finding big So I don't I

795
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.760
don't know. I'd never did go
there again, and I've always wondered.

796
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.679
I wish I would have gotten better
details. But we were talking bird hunt,

797
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:51.000
not big Foot. I just know
the general area. But across that's

798
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.039
all I said. That's on the
north. I guess you could call it

799
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:58.599
even the east side of the clacknessoreverview
across you got goat mountain my camera,

800
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:04.280
there's Hillock Hillock Burn Road. There's
there's all kinds of stories and st up

801
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.960
there as well, and and on
and on. But so I never know.

802
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.440
I never went too big Acres and
I and I couldn't tell you exactly

803
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:14.519
where it's at, but it's up
there's somewhere. Maybe maybe a listener knows

804
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.639
about big Foot Acres and they can
email me a Big Fust Society, a

805
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.960
Gmail. I go, I can
hook rick up. Yeah, that'd be

806
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.239
awesome. I'm right here, well, I'm Google search and nothing comes up

807
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:30.199
on it. I'm sure that up
behind up behind that general area, got

808
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.320
Mount Mitchell, which I think Joe
in in that in his book. Actually

809
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.639
there's a track away from Mount Mitchell, which is up in that same country

810
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.320
and all that. But I said
that I won't get into a lot more

811
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.880
specifics up there because there's quite a
few lakes and remote campground stuff that I've

812
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:49.679
Between Joe and Cliff, they've they've
they've they've got a lot of people out

813
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.000
there in the field themselves, and
there's there's a lot of stories have come

814
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.880
out of that. I'll out of
all that country for those that are actively

815
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:00.920
out there doing doing more than I'm
doing out the woods. So anyway,

816
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.719
big Foot Acres, that's my story. Yeah, dude, you gotta get

817
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.639
this book. I got I got
the book right here next to me.

818
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.920
Yeah and big Well, Well,
like I said, it's so good.

819
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.360
Yeah, well, I'm sure that's
well. And actually Joe told me about

820
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.159
it backus before we even published a
thing. Oh that's awesome. But again,

821
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.639
I do need to get and I
need to get him to sign it.

822
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.119
Okay, I've got like two or
three more than I'm gonna I have

823
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:28.519
to get weak din Yeah, I
mean, you've gotta be just starving by.

824
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.480
Now Rick, you go, I'm
fine, No, how to do

825
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:36.440
it? This is calling my epicote. Yeah yeah, So so again from

826
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.840
where we live, we were where
we we can't where we live we less

827
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.159
than two miles from US as National
Forest boundary. Wow. And this summer

828
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.679
year, our little remote little mountain
road gets a lot of traffic because there's

829
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.039
there's four or five camp grounds up
here, three or four. Then there's

830
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.480
a lot of trail heads that take
you on the Pacific Crest Trail, which

831
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.280
is our big international trail just from
Canada all the way down to Mexico is

832
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.960
you know, fifteen minute drive from
US, and several other trail he has

833
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.519
a lot of them go up to
the base of Mount Hood and all around.

834
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.440
You know, I said, this
is an exact mountain up here.

835
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.960
So and I mentioned there's a couple
of trails on this side that takes you

836
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:13.639
up to these remote little mountain lakes. But another friend of ours, acquaintance

837
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.880
or not tight tight friends, but
he works for Clackmus County, which is

838
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:23.119
one of the big metropolitan counties in
the area. He uh runs search and

839
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.880
rescue, and he was telling me
a story that's five six seven years to

840
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.920
goes telling me, so just up
past our house as you go up towards

841
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.800
the trail heads that are up here, going up the Sandy River and hiding

842
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:43.199
towards mountain hood and backside is Nixact
Mountain. Several summers ago, I'm roughly

843
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:50.239
again, roughly twenty ten when this
excoosing occurred. So there's a hiker hiker

844
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.679
or hiker's loss up there, just
didn't come back. So in the summertime

845
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.920
again it starts to warm up here. You start getting a lot of breezes

846
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.480
in the mountains, and and as
the mountain winds go, it's just a

847
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.159
lot of no always birds or squawk
and stuff. So they like to do

848
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:06.760
especially in the summers, especially if
weather conditions permit. It's not like it's

849
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.480
snowing or going to be subfreezing or
whatever. They like. They prefer to

850
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.079
do their search and rescues at night
because it's dead calm. People can shout

851
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.039
and hollow your name. You can
hear people that might be injured that can

852
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:20.360
barely whimper, you can, you
know, just the sound carries so much

853
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:25.400
better in the dead at night.
So Scott, this gentleman's name heading the

854
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.920
County Search and Rescue, and they've
got their posts, and they've got a

855
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.599
lot of nonprofits and other search and
rescue organizations that like to help out and

856
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.639
lend a hand. So they were
I think it was an individual hiker at

857
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.000
cammers, a couple. I think
it's just an individual just didn't show back,

858
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.840
show up, and so they'd go
up and set up a base just

859
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:49.280
a couple of miles up from our
house. And this this hiker hikers was

860
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.000
up on somewhere on Zigzag mount Again, there's not a lot of trails up

861
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.320
there, and you shouldn't get off
trail. There's no reason too, because

862
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.679
it's in it's just it's just rugged
country, and not say you couldn't roll

863
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.159
off or fall off or stumble or
get injured or whatever. There Who knows

864
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.039
why people disappear in our mountains.
Every every year someone disappears with sure,

865
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:12.920
no sign, no reason. They
find a card or trailhead and there's no

866
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:17.039
evidence of anything afterwards or else or
else their camp is vacant and never then

867
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.599
they never be seen again. And
again, there's not much reason to get

868
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.039
off any of the trails in this
whole area because it's just is in hospital

869
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.760
country if you're hunting. That's one
thing that most of these people who just

870
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.800
aiken and overnighting or whatever. But
so anyway, the Scott in their group

871
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.519
gets up there one evening and several
groups go out a couple different trailheads.

872
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.800
Some might have been on horses.
I don't remember the whole exact scenario.

873
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.400
And he had, and you go
out in pairs, two people at a

874
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.920
time, and then at night.
They're going out at night. So it's

875
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.840
roughly like two in the morning,
gets a radio call from one of the

876
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:51.039
couples or coming down, and Scott
goes, did you find them? They

877
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.239
say, nope? Or coming down? I think, well, hell,

878
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.239
this is the this is the prime
search and rescue time. Two in the

879
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.000
morning, dead quiet us. It's
like, for all the reasons I mentioned,

880
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.519
so why the heck are they coming
down? That's an hour hour and

881
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.920
half later, I don't I remember
how long, but these people come down

882
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:09.519
and go, why in the heck
did you guys come down? They said,

883
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.719
there's something up there, and this
is again this is kind of word

884
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.000
for word as well, there's there's
something up there, say it doesn't want

885
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:20.880
us up there, and we don't
want to be there. Whoa, And

886
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.639
it was the other sun just started
screaming and carrying on, I guess relatively

887
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:30.320
close to him, and they just
pretty much then they didn't want us there.

888
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:30.840
We didn't want to be there.
So they came off the mountain,

889
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:36.679
quit their search and rescue efforts.
And this is then, and so the

890
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:38.000
guy to reflating us to us,
like I said, he's he worked with

891
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:44.199
Clackamas County Deputy SHARE's Appartment search and
rescue, and uh yeah, they came

892
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.840
off the mountain. So that's Here's
when something started to start, something started

893
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.159
raising. Hell up there. It
didn't want us there, and we didn't

894
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.960
want to be there. Oh my
goodness. And if you looked at this

895
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.360
mountain, if you'd ever hear it, can I can look at it daily.

896
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:01.920
It's right out my back door.
It's if I could live in that

897
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:06.159
environment, didn't want to be found. That's that's ideal place. And I

898
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:07.480
want to climb down that mountain on
top of the bottom. I've got a

899
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.920
couple differ ridges, a couple of
different drangages. It's going to be brutal,

900
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.559
and I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can still do it.

901
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.559
It's gravity helped me down the Dane
Hill. But I just want to see

902
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.719
what's in the middle of that mountain
because there's no trails in the middle.

903
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.519
There's a couple of looks of little
trails at work their whips and creek dranges

904
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.679
feel the top, but there's miles
and miles and miles of non vertical but

905
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:35.480
extremely steep rugged rough bluffy or North
Oregon Cascades forest wild oh Man. Yeah,

906
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.480
it's got to be beautiful that it's
almost area left. We left heck

907
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:43.159
out. It's really really need especially
this time of year. So that being

908
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.280
said, A round zigzag mountain between
Highway twenty six on the backside, through

909
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:51.000
the little community of Rhododendrin and Welch's
and up this way. A friend of

910
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:55.119
Cliffs had a siding just up the
road from US real similar in the close

911
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.639
proximity to where the Scott the Clackamas
County Search armestor Guy Cliff out of a

912
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:02.159
buddy at his about eight or nine
years ago, woke up one morning up

913
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:07.440
there looking and had a sighting out
of his camper window right into the baze

914
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.920
of the mountain one morning. So
so, but the other's that in the

915
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.519
last twenty twenty five years. There's
been several sightings between all around here,

916
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:22.559
and that's just stuff i've heard of. All right, let me throw you

917
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:29.480
see two more, Yeah, then
I'm done. Night. So I mentioned

918
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.599
you the guy that was camp hunting
a couple about an hour hour and a

919
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:37.199
half from here, twenty thirty forty
fifty miles whatever, that had something bumped

920
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:38.880
his truck in the middle of the
night, right, and his buddy's gonna

921
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.679
be there, And two hours later
whatever, his buddy shows up. So

922
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:49.519
he was hunting with our mutual friend
Ron in the same general area not quite

923
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.079
that far, a big, big
big river, bottom, big meadows and

924
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.320
all that stuff. And Ron is
my one guy I think I mentioned earlier

925
00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:01.119
who is retired loggers vent is an
entire time in the woods. He's out

926
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.960
there even is retired. He's a
big time photographer. He does a lot

927
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.360
of stuff outdoors, he trail cameras
and all that. And he's an non

928
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.840
believer because they spent his entire life
in the woods, in the Cascades and

929
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.000
on the coast range. So we're
on and this other gentleman, Dave U

930
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.679
there they went down and hunted this
big long medal one day. And again

931
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.079
we're talking this back twenty thirteen.
It looks like September two pain archery hunting.

932
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.519
And as they're working through these flats, he got a big metal and

933
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.079
you got a lot of this.
This river bottoms about half mile wide,

934
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.920
and there's some big cedar trees and
they're big cedar swamp. A lot of

935
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:40.679
elk in there usually and uh,
and they're working their way through the timber

936
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.840
and it's again it's open timber,
kind of a little bread of brush,

937
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.440
huckleberries and roaded entranes, but typically
and some of the stuff you can see

938
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.960
two three hundred yards, which is
in our in our forest around here,

939
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:59.199
that's quite a distance. And they
look and aways from one hundred two yards

940
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.920
they see another hunter. That's really
weird because the only access point where they

941
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:06.559
came in from is really about the
only place ship could park there, and

942
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:07.679
there's no other rig park there.
And all of a sudden there's a hunter

943
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:15.039
down in the river bottom it again
river bottoms, a high bound valley bottoms,

944
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.760
so there's another hunder there. They're
really surprised, said. Then the

945
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.480
hunter walked behind a tree and again
there it was roughly one hundred yards away

946
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.400
if I recall correctly, but it's
looked like a big dude dark we're all

947
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:35.400
dark clothing quote unquote clothing, walk
behind a tree. Never saw him again.

948
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.599
And as they go. As they
go walking over there, there's kind

949
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:43.440
of a little dip and a ravine
because in some of these rivers, as

950
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.280
a meander, you get this,
uh, they as they'll cut a bank

951
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.920
and they'll switch channel whatever I think, if I recall, there's kind of

952
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:55.079
a little dipper ravine behind a little
cut bank. But they were they slowly

953
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.480
worked the way over there because this
hunter kind of went behind a tree and

954
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.280
never saw him again. Walked over
there, never saw a hunter, didn't

955
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.199
find anything. And so this ron
says, in all my years in the

956
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.719
woods, that's the first time I've
seen something and not been able to identify

957
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.400
it. He's still an nonbeliever,
but he says, not sure what it

958
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:21.880
was and to random. Yeah,
so and that's and he and I had

959
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.320
that on one of our hunting forms
that that's how I met this ron Neat

960
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.000
guy. And it's got a lot
of royal followers. He'd actually made that

961
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:34.360
post on our hunting form again back
in twenty thirteen. That the first time

962
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.079
I've seen anything and never been able
identify it. But he and I a

963
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.599
couple years later we were out driving
around out in the mountains and I we

964
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:45.000
brought I brought the subject up.
And he's still he's still a animate nonbeliever,

965
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.239
but he goes raally, Oh,
dads, some dad's for really interesting.

966
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.679
Actually, I have no idea what
I saw, so anyway, it

967
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:58.320
was just h yeah, coming from
from a guy like that. And uh,

968
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:04.679
lastly, you had mentioned that one
of your speakers a while back had

969
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:08.239
dropped a name and dropped a very
specific location somewhere, and I know that

970
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:14.199
specific name, and I know some
of his specific locations and coincidentally, so

971
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:16.719
yeah, yeah, yeah, so
it concidentally it's an area I'm very familiar

972
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.039
with myself, Okay, from near
home on neat little little ponds, the

973
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:29.360
meadows, and uh, may Cliff, I say that we go up there,

974
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.239
you go up there and just drink
some local beers and plays he's a

975
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.840
musician. He plays his guitar,
and it says, uh, of from

976
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.199
then I get some some something happens
in middle night. It might just be

977
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.480
a knock at two in the morning
or whatever. But very very near that

978
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.760
location, and he'd mentioned that place
randomly to me several years ago, and

979
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:50.039
I don't think we even talking about
that specific location. He's thrown a couple

980
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.199
of names every but it's all touch
right now. But within about a mile

981
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:57.480
that there's a big deep canyon and
there's an old logging road that goes down

982
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.880
and it's all heavily timbered. And
I have three different what I would call

983
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:10.320
track ways that have come off these
deep cut banks. I've sent them to.

984
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.280
I sent pictures of Joe we Lard
to send him to. Cliff sent

985
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.880
him to Todd Niece is another name. I'll mention if you know Todd,

986
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.360
he actually within five minutes over here. Oh does he really that? Yeah,

987
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:23.039
yeah, we had a couple of
beers a month or so. We

988
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:31.280
go like funny, but they're not
definitive behind the means, but a couple

989
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.119
of them not again. I'll send
you some of these photos later on if

990
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:38.000
you like, But yeah, definitely
a couple of them are older and washed

991
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.880
out. Even the best ones weren't. But the thing is, and even

992
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.119
Cliff was trying to to poo poo
on them, but it could be deer

993
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.960
elk or bear. Well, I
hunt dere a Elkinbert and I've seen a

994
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.079
lot of deer and Elkinbert and I've
seen a lot of tracks. First of

995
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:55.519
all, these have a straight to
edge. I'll said, okay, I'll

996
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.679
I'll do it. Deer huff a
bear and the substrate was in it was

997
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:06.360
all very hard packed cut bank and
they're long. You could think it was

998
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:10.679
someone's And if there were people walking
on this cut bank, it's a very

999
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:15.119
very very remote road and in an
area that people wouldn't have really very little

1000
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:16.920
reason to be up on that hill
to be walking down. You could see

1001
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:20.039
if they stepped side hills trying to
come down this cut bank where the feet

1002
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.119
could have slipped. But the the
straight edge was only was about eight inches.

1003
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:29.760
That's a short that's a small foot
to be walking and making the impressions

1004
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.800
that were on this cut bank coming
down. And then and then I found

1005
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.360
a couple older ones that were all
very indeath on it. But you just

1006
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:41.280
see large impressions work walking up this
cut bank again. And this is near

1007
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.719
where this little putamento is a what's
his face like? To hang out out

1008
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.480
on the health that it was up
there on it and it's in a remote,

1009
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:55.000
rugged little canyon. But and and
I was up there about a three

1010
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.639
or four weeks ago, and I
haven't been to this road and this cut

1011
01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.960
banks for a couple of years now. I would I always look at the

1012
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.079
up banks is about two mile section
there. That's it's thick brushy up high.

1013
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:09.199
The old bottom is just thick,
rugged jungle. So I don't know,

1014
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:11.239
I don't know it made those impressions, but one of them. There's

1015
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.360
like five or six impressions going up
this cut bank, and they're all sizeable.

1016
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:24.840
They've got straight what i'd call toe
edge. Yep, that's wild.

1017
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:31.239
That's all I got for wow.
I mean, it's cool to hear that

1018
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:38.840
that area someone else has found something
cool in an area close to that,

1019
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.239
you know. And I'm being vague, but you get same, like,

1020
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:47.119
yeah, yeah, that's cool.
I've got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking whatever.

1021
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.639
I told that before. I've got
no encounters, nothing, you know,

1022
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:53.159
from like nose and nose with me
and we arm wrestled or whatever.

1023
01:06:53.320 --> 01:07:00.760
But this has been look a fascinating
chat of like just a lifetime of collected

1024
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:10.719
stories and like how I mean,
you pretty much had some really cool experiences

1025
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.320
chatting with people involved with big Foot
history in a way which is is very

1026
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.559
cool as well. But well,
yeah, well you bet on my pleasure.

1027
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.719
And like I said, I could
throw other second or third or fourth

1028
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:25.880
fan stories, but these are all
you know, fast majority. It's either

1029
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.679
those people I know and or the
random thing at the gas station. The

1030
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:31.480
kid asked about big foot acers,
but it was a personal key counter between

1031
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.519
he and I too, big Foot
acres. We got to track that down.

1032
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:39.880
Listeners, if you know a big
Foot acres is, please email me

1033
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.679
in big forciety at email dot com. We have to track my bound.

1034
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:44.719
Yeah. No, I'd loved you, I said, I'd love that,

1035
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:45.880
And there's a lot of roads that
it's hard to say, and point I

1036
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.559
wish, I wish the kids still
worked there, but you could on eighteen

1037
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:51.639
years work at a gas station twenty
some years later or eighteen years however,

1038
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:57.679
we probably still working there. But
anyway, so it's just you know,

1039
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.320
I have gone back and forth for
never months and I said a lot of

1040
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.199
stories for you, Alan, some
people might fall asleep on. I think

1041
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.480
that people are going to be very
interested. My listeners love episodes like this.

1042
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.519
Rick, Thank you so much for
reaching out and I'm taking your time

1043
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.520
and this has been just a really
fun chat. And keep me in the

1044
01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:19.199
loop if anything else cool happens.
Man, I know we're to find you.

1045
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:20.760
I said, I don't go out
looking man, but I keep my

1046
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.479
eyes Bill. Definitely cool. All
right, Hey, thank you so much

1047
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.720
to have a good evening here at
Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a

1048
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:34.439
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot
to share their encounter in a safe and

1049
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:40.960
respected environment. But we need to
hear your story. If you've experienced something

1050
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:46.319
that you just can't explain, please
send me an email at Bigfoot Society at

1051
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.520
gmail dot com. Then we can
start the conversation. And I know a

1052
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:57.079
lot of you have not shared your
encounter at all. It's been twenty years

1053
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:01.119
and it's time that you get this
off your chest and then you can get

1054
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:05.279
some well deserved for rest, because
I know you haven't been sleeping. I

1055
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:10.159
understand what you're going through and I
appreciate every one of you listening