3AM Wood Knocks and the Terror of Bigfoot | Pennsylvania | New York

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society got the privilege of talking to Kelly today. Kelly's from Western Pennsylvania. She's also a member of the Patreon but she's got a few things that she would like to share that have happened to her over the years, so invited her onto the show. And how's it going tonight, Kelly?

0:57 It's going good. How are you awesome? Having a good Thanksgiving as we were talking about earlier, So that's always fun to do that and have a great meal. But you know what we were talking earlier, and it sounds like you've had a few interesting things happen over the years, so I'd say we get right into it. I'm going to go ahead and give things over to you and feel free to take us back to the first time where you had something weird happen, potentially related to Bigfoot, and we'll start there. Okay, sounds good. So this actually happened. I think I believe it was either two thousand and eight or two thousand and nine. I used to be married and he was actually from upstate New York. So every summer around the Fourth of July we would go camping and upstate New York and we always ended up it was a little bit north of Watertown, New York, close to a fort I can't remember. I can't remember what.

2:06 We were really close to some sort of base up there, so we always you could always hear the planes coming in or if they had choppers, you would hear stuff. But the one time we were up there, it was very interesting, to say the least, we were in a cabin, like the first night we were in a tent and it was just rain. So we ended up we were able to get a cabin, and we were at a very small campground. I'm not going to mention it because I don't know if they would appreciate being on a podcast, but it was a private, little campground they had I think it was five cabins and a couple of little tent sites. And the one night I went to bed, it was about twelve thirty and I laid down in the cabin. My ex husband at the time was downstairs talking to his brother, and I'm laying there, just getting ready to go to sleep, and I heard a.

3:14 Scream. Is I don't even know the best way to describe it, because every time I talk about it, I get a little twitchy because it was really scary to me. But it sounded like a woman screaming. We were not in the middle of nowhere, but we were very close to the border Canada, but there was like I think we were about an hour from Watertown, so there were no there was no one around us pretty much. And yeah, I heard it and the hair just stood up on the back of my neck and I just got instant fear.

3:58 And I've been camping most of my life. I've been camping since I was two weeks old, and I'm forty four now, so I've been out camping for a while and I had never heard anything like it. So when my husband at the time finally came up to bed, I had asked him if he heard it, and he essentially thought I was crazy, and it was just like, oh, you're hearing things like you're fine, Like we're in the woods, You're okay, And I was like okay, And somehow I got to sleep, I don't know how, and about probably two to three hours later, we were actually woken up out of a dead sleep hearing the same exact thing.

4:44 And he sat up and was like, what was that? And I was like, that, my love, is what I told you I heard a couple hours ago. And it was just weird because it wasn't human sounding, but it wasn't like I've heard big cats, and there was just something not right about this. It sounded very human, but there was just something about it that to this day it just. Creeps me out. We got online, we were looking up animal noises, trying to figure out what it was, and I was actually the next morning when I woke up, I talked.

5:33 To my father in law about it. At the time, and he heard it too, and this was an area that he had been camping at for probably forty years, and I've never in my life heard that. Ever. So he's I don't know what that was. I don't know that. I want to know what it was. And then just eventually it became running joke where we were just all, oh, it was bigfoot, and then we just joked about it. And then I started listening to this show. I started listening to Sasquatch Chronicles, and it really opened my eyes to what it could have possibly been.

6:17 So that was the first one, and that was close to twenty years ago that happened. So that's really interesting. So you're saying you, your ex husband, and also your father in law had all heard that sound, but the father in law heard at a different time. He actually heard it when I heard it the first time. Okay, yeah, because he had just gone to bed. So when it happened, me and him heard it the first time, but he didn't hear it. He didn't wake up the second time that it happened. Got it. Got it. And I'm guessing it sounds like you listen to all sorts of stuff out there in it, so you probably listen to things like a fox, see what else, a mountain lyon all that good stuff.

7:04 Yeah, yeah, we tried, and we tried figuring out, like where we were at, what is around there that we're not used to because at the time, we actually lived in Columbus, Ohio, so we obviously didn't there wasn't We were like right in the city, so we didn't. We weren't aware of the animals that were in Ohio versus I'm used to Pennsylvania. I was born and raised here, so it was just nothing like And it was so hard to put into words what it sounded like because it was just. It was I don't know. It was so terrifying.

7:46 Even being in a cabin, I was still I was scared to even get up and go to the bathroom because I was afraid I would hear it again. That's really interesting. Did you also do any research online to see if there had been other people reporting stuff in the same area where you were at. I actually haven't, but I have heard of I guess there's like a lot of not necessarily bigfoot stuff, but just general weird stuff that happens around the Watertown area. I've heard on other podcasts that people talk about that area, and here I just hear about a lot of weird stuff, Like I don't ever think I've ran across any like sightings or hearing any stories of what we heard in that area, but I do know there's a lot of weirdness in upstate New York that happens in general.

8:45 Oh yeah, absolutely, And I'm doing a quick look at I don't know if you're familiar with the Bigfoot Mapping Project, but they do actually have a few entries west of Watertown, northwest of Watertown where there are actual sighting seventies eighties, and I believe there is a tooth actually June of this year. Yeah, really pretty interesting stuff, even though I believe you said your sighting was a while back. Correct, Yes, yeah, I think I'm thinking it. Was, or sorry, what you've heard was a while yeah back?

9:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking it was either two thousands, somewhere between two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine. I tend to blur a. Lot of that time in my life out, but it was like pretty early two thousands that happened, and that had been probably my fifth year going up there and spending time there. And we had never. Like you would hear owls, you would hear loons, and that was it, Like you didn't hear anything like. It was always pretty generally quiet. So it really threw us off and we were all just we woke up and we were stunned because we're just like, did somebody actually get murdered out there?

10:11 Or Yeah? It was really it was boon chilling to hear and I never want to hear it again. Did you ever go back to that same cabin in future years? Yeah, we actually went back for two more years after that, and I think we all like it just made us feel better to joke about it, because then we weren't like so scared, but we never heard anything else, like nothing out of the ordinary. It affects you, or I'm speaking from my own experience that when you hear something like that, it affects you in a way that you cannot control, or at least that's what happened to me. Did you have any It sounds like you were definitely freaked out, But did you have any any physical reactions in any way when you heard that, Like, Oh, my body's reacting in a way that I can't really control, right, now for me, it was that felt like all the blood rushed out of my head and I stopped hearing halfway through when I heard a scream in the woods. It was the weirdest thing.

11:17 I can't control it. Oddly enough, not really, it was just an instant. It was just the fear, and I was shaking because I was just scared. And then literally the hair on the back of my neck and my arms were just standing on end. And I was like, Okay, I clearly like of all the years I mean going camping, I've never had even like I've had I've been places and there's been bear around, and it's now been like that. It was. I think it was just like a very primal fear. But then I felt like I fell asleep. Then it was like I heard it the first time in the and I laid down and I went to sleep, which made and I hear that a lot in cases, and it makes no sense, especially with me because I struggle with sleep issues to begin with. But yeah, I just laid down, rolled over and went to sleep until it woke me up. And I was in a dead sleep when it woke me up again. When we heard it again.

12:24 What time roughly was that where it would have you would have woken up out of sleep. Probably three ish, okay, three three thirty in the morning. Okay, yeah, so that's something weird about That's just that always seems to be the timeframe that you hear. And also I've been woken up one time by whoops, it was three to three thirty and I don't know what it is. Maybe yeah, something about that hour. There's probably some studies you can look into, but just extremely weird stuff. Why things I had to start kicking off at that time, But so that now after you had that happen. Sometimes when people experience something like this, they will start going and researching and just on this crazy quest did that happen to you or was it like, Okay, this happened to me. It was weird, but I'm not going to go down a crazy rabbit trail.

13:23 I didn't go. I was already aware of the phenomenon and I've always been interested in it, but I didn't really. Go deep diving into it. I started watching more shows about it, but when I would watch them, I would I started to take it a little bit more seriously because it was just something that was so unexplained and so unusual. But I've at the same time, I've spent most of my life experiencing very things, things that were very unusual and strange. But that just that really suck out to me more because most of the time I don't know, it was just such an odd thing and such an unexplainable thing that and then I did. But as I've gotten older, I realized that's when it was like, I'm really going to dig into this. And then we moved, like I moved back to Pennsylvania, and then I was like, there's a lot this is like not too far from us. So now I'm like when I go to plan like backpacking trips, like I'll tell my friends, hey, can we like go to this area and they're just like oh, because they know why, like they know me now, and they're just like, all right, it's a weird area.

14:45 We'll go. And then. They're just like, all right, we love you, Like we'll go on this backpacking trip. Oh that's cool. Yeah, yeah, is a You really can only get away with that once before people start to realize what you're doing. And if you have a group of friends where they're cool with it, that's great. But Pennsylvania, there's some wild places you could go to. You've got Chestnut, Chestnut Ridge, You've got we're going to talk about Allegaty National Forest and a little bit. Pocono's are crazy. And I don't know if you heard the episode a little bit back where it was the Forbes State Forest. I would love to check out there that area. The stuff that guy had happened in Forbes State Forest, and I think that's over maybe a little southeast or east of Pittsburgh in that area. Okay, but yeah, that was a wild two parter for sure. But I would love to hear a little bit you had said earlier off air you had some stuff happen in Allegating National Forests as well.

15:51 Yes, so this actually just happened. It was this past July, be sure. I went on a camping trip one of my best friends. She has three kids, but the one is in her twenties now, so she takes the two younger ones and we go camping. Every year. We try to do at least three trips with all of us, and this last time we wanted to check out someplace different because we always go to the same park at least once a year. So somebody had recommended in tyan Esta, which is in the Allegheny's and it was I can't remember the name of it, but it's actually I think it's an Army Corps of Engineer built the campground and it's a gorgeous campground. It's right by the Tainessa Creek and the dam there really big. There's one hundred campsites there. When this happened, I was a little shocked because we were around a lot of people.

17:00 Again. This actually happened at about three o'clock in the morning, and we were all in tents and I got up to go to the bathroom, and as I was going to the bathroom, I heard very clearly woodknocks and I stopped because I was like, no, like this come on. And I'm just like squatting like listening because I'm like, there's no way. But I could tell because my back was towards the creek, and I could tell it was across from the creek, and I could tell like it it sounded like it was further up the mountain because there was like Pennsylvania Mountains, but the mountains like behind us.

17:52 I could tell it was like a little bit further up, but it was the first two that I heard were to my right, and about maybe three four seconds later, I heard two reply back, and they were actually to the left of me, still across the creek, but they were to the left of me, and they actually sounded a little bit further away, and I was like, Okay, so this is happening. So I went into the tent and I laid down and I listened, and it kept going back and forth wood knocks for about fifteen minutes until it stopped.

18:38 And it was weird. We had our two dogs with us, and they didn't like there were no reactions out of them. I wasn't waking my husband up for it because I'm like, there's really no point. But the next morning, when I woke up, I didn't even think to say anything to my friend. I don't know why, like it completely, like my mind went blank. I didn't even think about it, and I didn't even think of telling my husband until we got home and got unpacked and I was like, oh, I gotta tell you this. And then it took me like two weeks to tell my friend because I hadn't seen her for a little while, and we met one night and I was like, I've been meaning to tell you this, and then that's when she told me that the night before she woke up in the morning to go to the bathroom and she heard wood knocking. But she just was like, huh, that's weird and just went back to bed and didn't even think about it until I brought it up to her.

19:48 That's very strange. Was there a pattern to it at all? Yeah, I mean it was just two okay, and every time, like you heard, it was the exact. It was so weird because I was like, I always hear that they do it like three times, like I always hear like the threes, So it was two. That's what caught my attention is it was just the two and they were like perfectly spaced apart, and both sets that I heard were the say it was like an echo almost. It was bizarre. I was just like, there's no. Way, like, come on, I've been going up there now for two years wanting to like experience something because I've heard it's such an active area.

20:37 I'm backpacked up there and didn't have anything happened. We did back in it was last year. We did a little backpacking trip that was still it's called Minister Creek. It's a really small. It's like a six and a half seven mile round trip loop. And we did that the one day and not until we got home because at that time we had one of our other friends with us, and I'm like. All right, did I talk about this with her? Because like, you talk to some people and they look like you have twelve heads when you talk about it, So I am very cautious like who I talk about it with? But and then I discovered she's not into it, but she doesn't think I'm crazy. But after we did that trip, actually me and my good friend were actually talking about how like we just felt a discomfort doing the hike, which I've done before and I've had no issues, but this one was a little It was eerie. It was a very eerie feeling. But that was only about ten miles from where we were when the woodknocks happened.

21:46 That's extremely weird, but it's also cool that your friend had a similar experience. And if you look at the map around that tyan Esta area, there are not in the exact tyanested area, but around it. Yeah, there's sightings reported and stuff, and I would start to use that website. It's a really good tool. Okay, I'll check that out. It's really cool. For example, like if I was looking at this area and I was like, where would I go just based on what is on this map, I would totally check out the Alleghany Reservoir because it has a ton of stuff going up there. Okay, how far away that is from tyan Esta, But it doesn't look like it's like crazy bad.

22:33 But I've heard of it. But yeah, I'll have to look at that on a map. And because we're starting to plan some backpacking trips for next year, so she knows what's coming. Oh, you'll love it. It'll open up your world for sure. Yeah. Either of these times when you got home, did you start experiencing any weird stuff at home afterwards? Yes, both times. I can't really pinpoint. Like I said, I've always had activity around me, but it seems to ramp up a little bit.

23:20 When I get back. And I loved to backpack and that it's like any other time I've come back, and it's like normal everyday life. But yeah, these two times, I don't know. It was just it was a little different, like things ramped up in the house to where even my husband was like, what is going on because he just until recently he didn't really he believed in stuff, but I don't think to the extent that I did. He would just hear things, possibly see things, and just roll over and go to bed. Really like possible. Yeah in the house oh boy gikes. Yeah yeah, and then like it would ramp up and then it would just go and then we wouldn't have anything.

24:03 So yeah, just a little bit nothing like, nothing to really write home about. But yeah, there was definitely like a little bit of a bump. No. That's always interesting when people will share, like, yeah, you know, there's a lot of people will say I'll see something, maybe shadow a corner in my eye, something will start to move by itself, and it's like, doesn't make sense what the connection is, Like why if you have a bigfoot interaction, why why is it connected to stuff happening at your house like a hitchhiker effect unless we are I don't know. It's like maybe we're categorizing one of those events wrong, or maybe they're just all connected in a way and we're not smart enough to see all those connections yet. There's a lot of unanswered questions, but it is good that it sounded like that just went away by itself.

25:09 Yeah, yep, just like a couple of days and then it was it was gone, nothing ever happened. Yeah, that's good. Some people have to I've talked to people where it's like they'll pray around the corners or the house, they will rebuke in the name of Jesus, all sorts of just however it fits into a person's worldview, you know what I mean. Yeah, but uh, there's it feels like the more you get into this, there are more questions and answers. That's the allure of it, I think, is it? Yes? I agree.

25:50 I agree because now, especially after the wood knocks happened. Now I'm just like, I just got a i just want to keep looking into this because I'm like, and there's just so much you just hear so much weird things that go along with it, and it makes no sense. It should have nothing to do with one another. I've been like, the more too, like I'm listening to other people talk about their experiences, the more like I've thought about like things when we have been out backpacking and like weird feelings of being watched, and I just push it down because we're in the middle of the woods.

26:36 I don't want to freak myself out. And then a couple days later, when we're done, then my friend comes to me and we're talking about the hike because she's man that like stretch of the hike, I just felt like somebody was watching us, like someone was following us and watching us. And I was like, why don't you tell. Me when we're out there, and she's because I scare myself and I don't want to think about them, So she just doesn't say anything because she just. She's I want to be able to sleep, won't we go out there? I yeah, that's a tricky one because I get it, but it's also if we're both tuning in in something, it might be smart for us to communicate so we're aware that if something goes down, we're more aware of it happening. Alleghany National Forests. I talked to Amy Bou a while back, and they had some really weird stuff happened there on an expedition. They got hit with infrasound in such a way that the I think it was most of the party members that night felt like they were having pretty severe heart issues to the point where they were like, do we have to go to the hospital right now, you know which that always creaks me out.

27:50 Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely not a part of it that I want to experience. And I still don't know how I feel like if I'm one of those people, because you hear all these people like, oh, I'd love to see one, and then they see one, and that it ruins the rest of their life, like they can't go out in the woods anymore, they can't do anything outside anymore. And I don't want that. That's my that's my church, being out in nature, always been connected to that, and if I didn't have that, I don't. Know what I would do. It's okay, do I would I ever really want to see one? How About I just hear them and just hear things that could possibly be them and just go on with my life because I don't. I don't know if I would be able to mentally seeing something like that.

28:37 It would be rough. I believe I'm at the point where I'm ready for it. I'm very close. I think I've experienced, I think something similar to it, and I haven't shared this yet, but I will. Me and my son and I were hiking in a nearby small wildlife area, and we're walking along and then all of a sudden, just get this weird feeling like something is weird here. And I was looking around and it just it was a few months ago, and I remember I'm looking along and then all of a sudden, you just focus something.

29:20 Something is different here, and I focus right on a face and there's a hunter right there, and it's not a big foot, but just that well, there's something else here, and you're just like, uh oh, And I made like a hey, buddy, how's it going, so like they knew that, hey, don't take us out. We're not dear. But I can't imagine that magnified a thousand where it's not just a hunter, but it's like a face of in you know, the face is described in so many different ways from Neanderthal to ape. But can you imagine seeing something like that through the leaves? Oh?

30:00 I couldn't. I think I would just just start crying and hope for the best. I don't even know what do. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. And that's always like one thing too when I am out and just because all of Pennsylvania is pretty much bear country, so you know, you always have to be cognizant anyways when hiking. But yeah, like the one time we were, like the other time in Alleghany when we were hiking and I had that weird like I was being watched. I was just on highlert like just everywhere, like I just couldn't stop like looking around because there was just something where I'm like.

30:41 And I wanted to say, like it was like. Four four of us girls, and I'm like, I don't want to say anything because the one girl's scares pretty easily, and I was like, Okay, we still have one more night to like camp, so I don't want to, like, I didn't want to frighten her because nothing really happened. We did, actually, we did end up coming across two fawn legs that were just in like on the trail, and it just looked like they were just like pulled right off and there was like no animal prints like around it. Because we all like we all obviously saw it.

31:22 And I looked at my one friend and she looked at me, and I think we were both thinking the same. Thing, but we didn't want to say it because I'm just like, that's. Weird because you don't normally come across stuff like that. And that was actually the second time that I've come across like a carcass, like on the middle of a trail, and I'm just like, that is weird because this and this is like a trail too, like the Minister Creek Trail is. It's a pop trail. Even when we were there, there was like a whole group of boy Scouts that we're backpacking, so it's like a heavily shoe trail, and I just that's a little weird to literally be laying in the middle of this trail when there's been boy scouts walking pass and all these people I can pass. So that night I was a little bit like I was a little on edge when I went to bed, just because I was like, okay.

32:30 Am I going to hear something? So I was very I did not sleep good that night because that just really put me on highlert. Oh yeah, because it's so even if it's not a big foot, you still have a situation where something has pulled the legs off of a fawn. And there's not many I can't think of a good situation where that had to happen. It's weird all around, So, yeah, that would probably put me on edge too. When you're out there, have you ever experienced anything like the potential gifting situation where something weird was left in your area? Or no, I have not, gotcha? Cool?

33:11 Cool? Cool. When you've you've experienced a few things and you've been looking around listening to things have do you have a thought yet of what you think Bigfoot might be? What do you what do you think of when you hear people talking or do you think when maybe we're talking about a undiscovered ape or a relative of human in some way or. I don't even know. I've just I flip flop with that. I don't think I've ever that I can recall actually thinking that it is a type of undiscovered ape because the things that go along with this stories you hear just.

34:02 I don't know. To me, it just doesn't point to that. I don't know if it I don't know. It's just I'm definitely a person that leans more to the WU side of it. I think that's why there's so much unexplained with it. But yeah, I don't know. I just don't have it in me to believe that it is an eighth out there. It's got to be. I don't know if it is a type of human, but that doesn't explain all the weird stuff that goes along with it. That's just like nothing. That's like, I understand when people see it as a physical being, but to me, that doesn't dismiss all the weird that happens, because there's more weird stuff that happens with that than really anything else. And I mean, if it is a type of person, they got some weird unusual abilities, and that is a possibility. But I don't know, it just doesn't.

35:18 I just definitely don't think it's an ape. I don't know. I just that's never resonated with me. That's what it is, exactly. It's one of those things where you start thinking about it, and again there's more questions that come up as well. If it's an undiscovered ape, then it's a wild problem to have because that means that there's extremely large undiscovered apes in every state except for Hawaii. Or if it's a some kind of relative of a human, then that means, oh man, we have a whole civilization that is completely spread out through this country, that is smarter than us, and that is capable of doing some incredible things that we as a society cannot do, and it just it lends to some really interesting conversations in studies that need to be done as we we get more and more answers, hopefully in the future. I don't know. The more I look into it, the more questions I have. So we'll see as we go along, you get more talk to more people and put more dots on the board and try to connect more things and things like that. But it would be interesting to hear if people that are listening have also had things

36:52 happen in the areas that Kelly has referenced, like the tyan Esta Penncil any area or north of Watertown, New York. So it'd be interesting to see if people reach out with any incidents in those areas as well. But Kelly, it's been a pleasure chatting with you. Thank you for coming on to share what you've experienced over the years. I have a feeling that once once you open yourself up and you start experiencing things, it just it doesn't go away. And yeah, I have you'll probably be experiencing some other stuff and your friends are probably aware of that too.

37:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they always at least my one friend. I've been friends with her since we were in the third grade, so she is definitely. Very clued into my nuances. Yeah, she's and she's on the same wavelength that I am with everything about experiencing it. But I'm the nut that wants to go out and like look for it. So exactly how much. Longer I'm going to keep her on the line with that, I don't know. I have a feeling there's going to be some point she's going to be like, all right, I'm done, I've had it. You're getting too weird. We're done with this. But I don't know. I think I still have her book line and sinker, So we'll see what happens there. You go.

38:21 There's only one way to find out, right, You just got to keep going. Exactly yep, exactly. Good stuff, Kelly. Keep us informed with if any other things happen in the future. Of course, you can always reach out and I'd love to hear about that. And good have a follow up in the future of stuff continues to happen. But thanks for coming on the show, Kelly. I appreciate it. Yes, thank you very much, and you have a good night. You're a big for Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Soociety at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

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