Jan. 9, 2025

40 Years of Bigfoot in Southern Missouri!

Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast for an in-depth conversation with Tracy, a lifelong outdoorsman who has had numerous Bigfoot encounters across Southern Missouri over the span of 40 years. Starting from his childhood home near...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast for an in-depth conversation with Tracy, a lifelong outdoorsman who has had numerous Bigfoot encounters across Southern Missouri over the span of 40 years. Starting from his childhood home near Rolla, Missouri, Tracy shares intense stories of mysterious footprints, roaring sounds in the night, and strange interactions with an unseen creature. He recounts encounters at Montauk State Park, Taum Sauk Mountain, Howell County, and even a state park near St. Louis. With each tale, Tracy provides detailed descriptions of the geography and other local phenomena, painting a vivid picture of just how rich in mystery the Missouri wilderness can be. This episode is filled with chilling experiences that are bound to leave you questioning the existence of Bigfoot and the secrets lurking in Southern Missouri's wooded landscapes.

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slash the Big for Society, and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Big for Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to Tracy tonight. He's a gentleman

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from down there in the great state of Missouri, and

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I had seen him comment on a video and it

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was some really interesting things, and so I reached out

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to him and said, hey, you want to come on

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the show and chat about what you've experienced. And it

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seems like we are in four or quite a wild ride.

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But Tracy, how's it going tonight?

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Man? It's going very good. I'm excited. Yeah, just a

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little background on me. I've lived here in southern Missouri

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pretty much my whole life, and a little bit about me.

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I studied geology in Springfield, Missouri at the Missouri State University,

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and that'll be showing up in some of this. I

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can give a little bit of a geological background to

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some of the locations because I theorize some things that

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I think about how some of these locations and potential

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Bigfoot cryptid sightings relate to that or whatever. So if

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you want me to get started, I love that.

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And I'm actually really excited about that because that's the

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thing where I try to get that to come up.

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But usually the person I'm talking to is not trained

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like you are. So this is going to be really cool, Yeah, Tracy,

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go ahead, feel free to launch right into it.

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Also, on some of these I might even get into

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some psychology basically how the sighting or I didn't really

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have a sighting, but how the whole experience affected me

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psychologically and left me thinking about it for a while.

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But to begin, when I was six years old, my

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family we lived in Rolla, Missouri, which is on I

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forty four between about halfway between Saint Louis and Springfield, Missouri,

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And we moved from the city in December of nineteen

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seventy seven out into the country close by a few

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miles outside of town. And the night we moved in December,

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it snowed and left like a few inches of snow

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the next morning, and my sister told me this. They

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kept it hidden from me since I was only six

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years old, but my sister told me this later, that

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there were footprints that came out of our backyard, which

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was wood woods in our backyard, came up around the house,

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actually stepped up in a little garden you got those

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little gardens in front of your flower gardens in front

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of your house, stepped up on the timbers of that

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and looked in the window, which was my sister's bedroom window.

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She was asleep, she never knew it, but it stepped

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up and looked right in the window there, because that's

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the only that whole side of the wall was windows,

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so that's what you would step up to do. And

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then went on out across our front yard and crossed

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the road, went to the woods on the other side.

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That was like the first night we lived there. But

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I didn't know that. My sister told me that later.

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But anyway, I'm guessing on the year here, I'd say

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it was probably nineteen eighty two. Me, my older sister,

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i'd had a younger sister at that point, which was

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an infinite and my mother. We're all standing outside on

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our porch. We just had company, me and we were

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still out there talking and it was right when it

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was getting dark, and there was just this enormous roar

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that came from the woods behind our house. It was

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just like instantly terrifying. Both me and my older sister

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just ran off and left my mom out on the

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front porch, just ran inside. And what she complained about

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all the time after that. She just left me with

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a baby out there. But it was that just instantaneous fear.

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I'd never felt that before. I'd been scared before, but

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I've never just had something happen and just instantaneously just

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the fight or flight type thing, which in this case

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was flight. But we went and looked out a window

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that went to the back and never saw anything. But

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I was an outdoorsy kid and was out in the

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woods a lot. This is a generational thing. It was

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seemed crazy to day. But back in those days, fathers

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would train your son to with guns and how to hunt,

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basically take care of your family. You could hunt for

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food or defend your family at a younger age. Even

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in my teenage years, I always had twenty two or

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a shotgun or something. I never really went out of

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the woods without a gun, and I think that's probably

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one of the reasons I never saw one of these things. Really,

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my whole life has reinforced the notion that they know

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what a gun is, probably because they've been shot or

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shot at, or they just know what that does, especially

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a long gun. And I'll get into a pistol later

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because I have an actual occurrence with one of those.

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That's interesting. But I'm always out in the woods every day.

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There's not really much to do out in the country.

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We didn't get good TV reception. That was back in

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the antenna days of watching TVs. You're out living out

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in the little middle of nowhere. Then I'm just roaming

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the woods and stuff. I'd always described it like later

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talking with my older sister, I'd always described that there

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would be days that I would go out in the

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woods and it's just, you know, nice sunny day everything

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seems great, and then other days you go out and

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there was just this hanging feeling of something, you know,

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a dread feeling in the woods, and I came to

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associate that with I didn't know if what we were

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dealing with was bigfoot or not, but I knew there

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was something monstrous in the area, and just from that

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constant It wasn't a constant thing. It was off and on.

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But I did have a friend that was my same

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age that lived down the road i'd say maybe a

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half mile in a housing community of about one hundred houses,

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and he was always talking about how there was a

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guy that there was trails through the woods behind there,

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that he had seen bigfoot out there in the woods.

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He'd gone down one of the trails and saw a

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bigfoot and then ran back and never would go out

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in the woods again. And I was like, maybe that's

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what we're dealing with here. But anyway, over the time

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we lived at that house, which was from i would

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say nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty seven, about ten years,

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that was just ongoing all the time. And at one

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point I was out in the woods that was adjacent

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to that housing community. There was a trail through there,

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and I was walking on that trail and I met

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my buddy that lived down there with I would say

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four or five other teenage kids that were just out there.

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So we just happened stance, met up and we're talking,

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and all of a sudden we hear this like very deep,

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kind of mournful howl, and it was coming from fairly close,

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and once again that was just an immediate fight or

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flight kind of thing. We all just took off, running

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back toward the I was running away from my house.

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Actually I went to the trail toward the housing community,

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and then I did have a rifle, so I was like,

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I didn't go and basically a trail comes out into

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somebody's backyard. So I stayed in the woodline and just

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walked out to the road, walked back home on the

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road because I didn't want to go back through those woods.

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But I'd say the big thing that has really stuck

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in my mind was I'd say it was two or

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three years after hearing that roar. I would have been

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like fourteen fifteen years old at the time, probably maybe sixteen.

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We had a pond right beside our house. I'd say

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it was probably a quarter to a half acre pond,

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and it wasn't on our property, but we used it

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all the time. There's absentee owners or whatever. And where

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we approached it on our property was just like our yard,

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which was semi wooded, but about half of it was

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like very thickly covered, like with cedar trees and just

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dense brush. You couldn't really see through that. And there

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was a house over on that side, but it was

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real thick woods through there, maybe about fifty yards, and

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that was behind that pond was the general area I

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think that aurora had come from. And then behind it

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there's maybe a six seven foot dam on that pond,

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like earth and dam. Then behind it was like about

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a five acre lake. And I had gone through there

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quite a bit, but after we had heard that, I

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hadn't gone through there anymore because I figured that's where

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that roar had come from. And I don't know, I

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was feeling cocky on this particular day or something, and

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I decided I would go back there. And I had

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a twenty two pistol with me in my hand. I

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was always hunting rabbits or something, and while I was

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walking through there, I got about halfway. I never saw anything,

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I never heard anything. I just became paralyzed with fear.

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It was like my lizard bring just shut my body off.

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And I've heard people talk about getting hit within for

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sound and a lot of times and not paralyzing you,

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but a lot of times it comes with stomach cramps

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or something. I never felt any of that. I just

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couldn't move. And I don't know how long that went

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on for. I don't have any kind of estimate, but

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it got more intense and I felt like it was

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coming from behind me. Something was coming from behind me,

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and I just heard this voice that said shoot the gun.

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And I was able to click the safety off and

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pull the trigger and the gun went off, and pretty

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much immediately all that dissipated the fear. I was able

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to clear my head and move again. But I was

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mad at myself because I hadn't I wasn't even able

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to look down to see if I was going to

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shoot myself in the foot or not. That's like how

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intense that paralyzation was. It's like I was really good

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on the firearm safety into things, but like I felt

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that I needed to do something and I just didn't

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have the ability to do it like what I would

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consider safely, but the firing of the gun made all

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that dissipate, and in thinking about that later, I felt

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like something was doing that to me. And once I

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fired the gun, it scared it off because it was

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like an immediate dissipation of what was going on, and

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I hurried up and got out of there and never

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went back there again. But I always thought the psychology

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of want hampen there was interesting because I was very

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logical minded, even to the teenager. And for your brain

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to tell you don't move, which is the signal I

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was getting, don't move, or it'll see you when you're

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completely out in the open, like anything can see you,

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is weird to me, but that was what was going on.

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My brain was saying, don't move or it'll see you.

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But I'm like not obscured in any way. That almost

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tells me that these things have some sort of and

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I don't know if it's in for sound, but I

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almost theorize they have some sort of other ability, like

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a mental energy prediction or something like that that they

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can do. And I've got more on that later, but

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that's the end of what I had for that location.

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We had moved in closer to town, and I didn't

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really have any more experiences like that until about two

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thousand and six.

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Talk about those childhood years for a little bit longer.

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There's some really interesting things to happen in those years.

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For sure. Did they tell you how big that footprint

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was that they saw right outside the window.

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They were just going for memory, but I did ask.

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I said what I was like, did it have boots on?

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Was it like a guy? And then they said no,

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it was barefooted. I asked how many toes? And my

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sister is just like, I guess five. So it really

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wasn't like really set in the memory. It was just

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the general. But I was like, was it big? And

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she was like, oh yeah. She said my dad had

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gone out and put his foot in it. It was

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like pretty much dwarfed it. And it wasn't like it

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was an old print. It had to have happened overnight.

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And I then asked, I was like, do you think

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I was like, the snow wasn't that deep, But I

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was like, do you think it could have been somebody

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with snow shoes on? Or which snow shoes aren't really

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worn down here in Missouri. We don't really ever get

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that deep a snow really, right, and so I was

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trying to like at least get rid of all the possibilities.

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But it sounded like, who's got a really big foot

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running around barefooted in snow in the winter.

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Absolutely, that's that is so strange. Especially back then you

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didn't have to worry about people that were wearing like

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those vibrum shoes that it makes you look clear right

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barefoot right, they were not around, I believe at that

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time history. Do you know if do you still keep

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up to date with the area that house was in?

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No, I don't have. When we're in the area, go

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by it occasionally, just for old times sake, memories.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

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When my older sister lives in Pennsylvania now and when

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she comes back, we might go by it. But now

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we live far away from it. So we've gone by

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it a few times over the years, but don't really

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know anything about what's going on, other than the fact

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that a lot of people have moved in, so it's

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not nearly as it's less sparsely populated than it used

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to be. Okay, that kind of makes me doubt that

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there's as much activity as there used to be.

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Stories like this are always fun where it's like you've

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had the activity at your childhood house and you move

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away and then the area grows up a little bit.

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Because there was a situation like this down in Alabama

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and the lady was like, it's grown up. There's no

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way it's still happening. And I talked to a researcher

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in the area and he's like, I showed him the

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spot and he still happens there every year, two a

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year and aw. So it's like, you never know, man, It's.

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Just I know as I go through my experiences here,

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like my theories get blown out of the water like

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about half the time. Yeah. Another side note about the

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place there from that I had all the activity in

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the eighties was we also saw what I believe is

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another cryptid. Now this isn't a paranormal cryptid though, Okay,

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the black cat, black panther thing, Oh I'm not. Yeah,

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I saw that and I got a really good look

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at it. I actually looked through a rifle scope at it.

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I didn't have any intention of shooting it. That's the

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only thing I could just get but it was only

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about one hundred yards away, and looked at it through

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a rifle scope, and a lot of people say, maybe

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that's one of these black pumas or conservation Missouri Conservation

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will tell you that a black mountain lion only happens

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about one in a million genetically. This didn't look like

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either one of those. This essentially look like a house

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cat but the size of a German shepherd. Wow. Yeah,

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it didn't have the musculature of the mountain lion or

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really thick like a jaguar. It just looked like a

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house cat, just really big. So yeah, I got a

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really good I only saw it once, but my mother

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and younger sister saw it, I think three times. They

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would just come and hang out in like a grassy

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field next to the property next to us.

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That's weird. Have you heard many other reports down in

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that area of similar creatures being seen since then or.

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Not? Of the cat? And I don't really have a

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contact over there anymore, okay, or anything but my parents

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up until two thousand. My mother passed away in twenty fifteen,

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and then my dad moved out of that area in

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twenty seventeen, and in between that time, between two thousand

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and fifteen twenty seventeen, my dad had sold a mule

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to a guy that, oh, I would say he lived

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maybe four or five miles straight line from that area,

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and he was always talking about these really big wolves

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that he saw. We're getting into the dog man subject here,

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but he would see these really big wolves and they

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were just ridiculously fast. There's no wolf that runs that fast.

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He'd see him like on a far hill. He's got

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like a out and cattle farming country. And also he

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said that there was an old man that lived out

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there by him that found like he was driving into town,

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which would have been Ralla, and he came across this just

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big furry thing in the road, like he was huge.

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He didn't even know what it was, like, is this

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or just a really big bear or something, and he

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thought it had been hit and maybe he was wounded.

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So he didn't want to get out of his car

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and he was gonna hurry, so he like drove on

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into town. It was like a doctor's appointment or something,

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and he was like, on the way back, I'll check

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it out, see what it was. When he came back,

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it wasn't there anymore. So I was like, did something

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get hit and get up and get away or was

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that just some tricker it was pulling there? Who knows?

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But it makes you wonder because so if I'm looking

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at the right place, Ralla is, You've got Fort Leonard

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Wood over there, the Paddy Creek Wilderness. You've got Mark

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Twain National Forest to the east. So it's right in

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the middle of some wild stuff.

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Oh yeah, I've been all out through that National Forest,

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and yeah, it's a there's a some trout fishing out there.

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I got into trout fishing. I'll talk about that here

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in our next little segment, because it was like camping

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and trout fishing that some of my occurrence has happened

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at too. But yeah, Fort Leonard would there's always been

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like stories coming up out of there of sightings by

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soldiers even absolutely they'll get stationed out overnight and just

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be freaked out by what was going on and everything.

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But so at that point we moved into town. I

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graduated high school, ended up going off to college. I'm

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living in town, and I moved back to the area

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in two thousand. I get a job at a small

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engineering company and so my next occurrence is in two

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thousand and six in September, me me and my friend Tom.

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It's the same guy that lived in the community that

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I was talking about earlier down the road from me.

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We kind of life lifetime friends. We'd gone to our families,

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had gone to church together, so we've been For instance,

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we were like four or five years old. He got

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me into trout fishing and I was into camping, so

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we just combined the two things. And so in September

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two thousand and six, we take a two day camp

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trip and we go camping at Montauk State Park, which

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is in between Licking in Salem, which is south of

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Rolla there and that is the beginning of the Current

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River here in Missouri, which is a pretty famous river.

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We didn't get the camp out at the state park

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because it's always full, very popular place. So there was

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a little camp area down the road. It is like

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a private campground, very poorly run, but it's just a

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field you could go pitch some tents in, and so

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that property butted up against the Montauk State Forest. So

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I always like to go to the furthest corner, get

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back to the will get back as far and in

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the woods as possible. There weren't any trees in the

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field really, but like I wanted to get right up

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against the fence by the forest, and it's really healthy

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forest there, the Montak State Forest. Anyway, we do the

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standard camping thing. We both got, like I said, tense

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and whatnot. And as soon as it got dark, I

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started hearing owls and at first I was like wow,

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it was like I hear a couple different ones, and

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then more and more keep popping in. I swear I

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was hearing like five different owls, and I was like, man,

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this is really healthy forest. You've got that many owls

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in it. And then then I started thinking, that's odd

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to have that many owls in earshot. They're solitary hunters there,

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I would think they would have a territory. And so

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I later found out that Bigfoot uses owl calls. I

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didn't know that at the time. I just thought it

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was really odd, but that they use owl calls to

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communicate at night, which makes sense because if you're trying

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to hide from something intelligent like a human, you can't

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use like a blue jay call at night or they're

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going to know something's left. So you got to use

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a bird that calls it night. So anyway, I was like,

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I thought that was interesting, but just really didn't give

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it any thought. So about three o'clock in the morning,

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I looked at a watch. It was somewhere around three

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just hear the shriek, just this piercing scream come from

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probably I don't know, quarter mile away or something like that.

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And I get up and literally come out of the

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tent because I want to see how many other campers

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There was other campers there that woke up, and I

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saw a couple of lights come on. There was RVs

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and stuff in there, but for the most part, nothing

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happening in the campground. And that shriek was just so

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loud that it would have to make you think, because

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a lot would that what could that have been? I'm

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up for probably fifteen minutes, nothing happens. I go back

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in the tent, go to sleep. Probably thirty minutes later,

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I hear some noise and then I hear my buddy

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slip out of his tent, and so I get out

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and I was like, what's going on. He's just had

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a bunch of deer run right behind me along the

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fence and the inside the forest there, and I was like, huh,

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I was like deer running at night. Usually they don't

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do that unless something's after him. That was pretty much

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all of that, but I remembered the owl thing because

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I just thought that was so odd that there would

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be four or five owls just right there with a

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earshot and hooting so often. I was like, I would

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think an owl would fight for its hunting territory. There

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wouldn't be you just hear one owl. I've only heard

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one owl most of the time that I hear owls,

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there's just one. But I don't think they're flocking birds.

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Yeah, that's really weird. And did they sound like the

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normal size owls as well? Like the volume of it.

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It's hard to say, because, uh, the volumes were different,

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almost like one was further back. They weren't all bunched

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right together, but that could have been a volume difference

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to It's hard to say how close. If you go quieter,

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it makes you sound further away or whatever. But I

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didn't really notice weird tonality or like a tonality change,

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like I've watched other bigfoot channels that would talk about

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how if you're listening real close you can hear a

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tonality change over time, and the owl call when it's

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a bigfoot and I didn't really hear that, but I

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have heard that since at another location, and I'll get

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to that later. But did you have a question.

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Something that will get brought up sometimes is they'll say, here,

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it sounds like an owl, but it sounds like a

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eight hundred pound owl. It's like way too big. So

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nothing like that.

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No, nothing's me off other than just the number of

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them in like that close little areatcha. And at the time,

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I didn't know I was into bigfoot, Like I'd read

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a lot of sightings on BFRO, but I'd never come

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across the owl call being a bigfoot thing. I just

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thought it was curious that and then it stuck in

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my mind. And then later when I heard that, I

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was like, Aha, Then I put that as I heard

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that scream, there's not many things that can do that loud,

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and it just made me think that's what we were

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dealing with. Well right well within two hundred yards of

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the current river, which is yeah, so it's really nice forest.

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We got a nice sized river right there. It's just

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perfect habitat for everything.

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How long that's just scream that.

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You heard, I'd say, it went. It wasn't long. I'd

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say it maybe went a second and a half. It

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was more of a shriek. Really yeah. It started high

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pitched and then came down and ended.

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That's really interesting. It's also interesting that a lot of

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a few other people woke up in the campsite as well.

455
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.599
And I expected more people to come out, so I

456
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.599
had and be like what was that? But I was

457
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.440
the only one. I guess they were comfortable and nobody

458
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.519
in the tent came out. But I saw a couple

459
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.000
of lights come on in pull behind campers and stuff

460
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:23.240
like that.

461
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.799
And you've heard a fox before, right, I'm guessing you yes,

462
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.640
you know what foxes like? Yeah?

463
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.799
Not that. Like I said, this was like at least

464
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.039
a quarter mile away and was just really loud.

465
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:37.799
Wow.

466
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.640
Yeah, That's why I was surprised more people didn't come out.

467
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.240
I was just like, maybe they're just so sleepy. There

468
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.440
was like oh for me to get out of my

469
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:51.920
tent and it's got to be pretty bad. But anyway,

470
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.200
same camp trip. So got up that morning, went trout fishing.

471
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.039
When we were done there, I was like, I was like,

472
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.160
where do you want to go next? And I was

473
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.319
like why don't we go to Tomsawk Mountain. That would

474
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.279
have been the first time camping there for me, and

475
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.839
I was like, let's go over there. So it's about

476
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.559
one hundred mile drive. So we drove over there, set

477
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.480
up camp. Now they're campground there. I've camped there a lot,

478
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.920
and I've had other experiences there and the one sighting

479
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.319
that I've had it's the weird sighting. I can't say

480
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.799
it's like a definite siding, but it was there also,

481
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.799
and that's been more recently, but it's still September two

482
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:38.039
thousand and six. The campground there is you go down

483
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.440
a road and it goes of just a shallow s curve.

484
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:47.720
On the left hand side there's about five camp sites

485
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.759
and on the right hand side there's about ten. Go

486
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.960
down to the end. On the right hand side, we're

487
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.960
basically in one of the last camp sites. Like I said,

488
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.519
I always liked to camp at the end, back by

489
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.799
the the woods and get away from the middle of

490
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.720
the people or whatever. And we set up camp, just

491
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.920
do camp and stuff. Tomslock Mountain, that's the highest point

492
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:11.640
in Missouri.

493
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.000
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

494
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.319
And you're in the Saint Francis Mountains, and those are

495
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.759
volcanic mountains. Basically, the mountains are made of volcanic rock

496
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:46.200
what's called a welded tuff, which is basically volcanic material

497
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.759
that comes out red hot falls and then more of

498
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.559
it falls on top and the weight of that presses

499
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.599
it all together while it's still hot. Very interesting. But

500
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.000
there's also some granite and quite a bit of grind

501
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.000
in the San Francis Mountains, and that's your basic two

502
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.000
rock types. They're on tom Sawk Mountain, but anyway, they're

503
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.759
wooded mountains, seventeen hundred and seventy some foot high, if

504
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.400
I remember correctly, Highest Point, Missouri. So there's an overlook

505
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.480
that's a couple hundred yards from the campground where they've

506
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.119
cleared trees out and you can just look out over

507
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.319
the rest of these mountains. They're not real high mountains,

508
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.799
but it's like nubby Appalachian. And so I'm over at

509
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.519
the overlook, and if you do the overlook at sunset,

510
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:39.160
you want to stay till it gets dark because colors change.

511
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.960
It's really interesting. And so it's getting pretty dark when

512
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.440
I start to walk back to the campground, and this

513
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.759
is all along a gravel chat white chat road, and

514
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.960
so I'm walking along and I'm the gravels crunching is

515
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.680
about the only noise there is, and I just start

516
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:04.839
hearing this like kind of a low growl coming from

517
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.880
my left, which there's about a clearing of about ten

518
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.839
foot off of the road to the woods and it's

519
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.960
mode and it's really thick brushy stuff. I start hearing

520
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.759
this growling, and I was like, that's not a coyote.

521
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.680
I was like, so I'm thinking it's like a there

522
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.000
a dog up here or something like that, or occasionally

523
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.559
we get a regular wolf here in Missouri and stuff.

524
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.839
So I was just like, I don't know what that is.

525
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.680
And so I like veer off of the road. On

526
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.079
the other side, it's like a semi wooded park area

527
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:44.039
for just day use, and I just could hear away

528
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.240
from the road and just walk through the park area

529
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.079
to get away from that growling. And so I walk

530
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.440
on down to the camp and I'm tired, So I

531
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.720
was like, I ended up going in my tent and

532
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.279
taking a nap. My buddy in his tent. He's still

533
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.319
up and around camp. I wake up maybe three hours later,

534
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.279
and I go over he's in his and he's not asleep,

535
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.079
and I said something to him and he was like,

536
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.920
he's like, did you hear did you hear what happened?

537
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.839
He's like, did you hear that? And I was like,

538
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.640
I don't know. I was asleep. He said that there

539
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.279
was this like a tree fell over out in the

540
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.799
woods and it was down by our campground across the road.

541
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.640
So the campsites on that side of the road end

542
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:40.759
probably fifty seventy yards back up towards the front. But

543
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.039
since there's only five campgrounds, there are campsites, and then

544
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.440
we've got about ten on this side. So across directly

545
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.200
across the road from us is just woods. And he

546
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:56.680
said that a tree fell over and then there was

547
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.519
like a bunch of snamping of branches and stuff like

548
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.480
that didn't seemed to be affiliated with the tree, and

549
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.680
he said it freaked out pretty much all the campers

550
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.719
in the campground. They were all like, oh, well, these

551
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.159
people have been partying and everything, and then they get

552
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.760
all freaked out. I swept through the whole thing, but

553
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.159
I was like I started thinking about that. I was

554
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.400
like I got growled at by something up there, and

555
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.960
now we've got like this going on and just thinking

556
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.679
about two different occurrences happening within. It's almost like whatever

557
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.480
was up there just went through the woods down to Mike.

558
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.280
I wouldn't say it would be able to follow me

559
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.559
by sight, but went through the woods and then just

560
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.079
started creating a rookus.

561
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.079
When you heard the growling, did it affect you in

562
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.119
any way? Did you notice you started feeling weird or

563
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.679
just you heard it like that.

564
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.559
No. I just thought it was weird because I couldn't

565
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.000
like really fathom what it would be. I've camped up there,

566
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.880
were people's dogs come up there. They're usually just farm

567
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.920
dogs that are roaming or whatever, and they're usually really

568
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.800
friendly and hungry. I knew it couldn't be a coyote.

569
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.880
They don't go that deep, and so I was just

570
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.239
like a fuzzle. The wolves are pretty sporadic here in Missouri,

571
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.920
so I was like I could growl that low. Here's

572
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.760
the thing with tom Soong Mountain being volcanic rock that

573
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:27.239
the Ozark Trail goes through there, which is a pretty

574
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.079
long trail for hiking. It's the premiere hiking trail here

575
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.239
in Missouri, and it goes through there and right on

576
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:37.280
their website. They tell you as you're HIPing through the

577
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:44.199
Saint Francis Mountains to bring as many bring whatever, water filters,

578
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.119
whatever you can do, water furification, all of that stuff

579
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.280
with you because water is pretty sporadic through there. So

580
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.480
I was thinking that if you're gonna camp on tom

581
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.719
Soog Mountain, you're probably not going to see bigfoot there

582
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.039
because they're usually associated with like large water bodies. There's

583
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.519
more food sources there, and so I wasn't thinking bigfoot,

584
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.280
but I was like, that is big behavior though, and anyway,

585
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.119
that's into that one. It was just a couple of things.

586
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.920
But how big that was? The tree that got pushed over?

587
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.480
I never saw it, but he said it was like

588
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.760
a pretty big one. We didn't go out and investigate

589
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.800
or anything. He just said by the sound of it,

590
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.599
it sounded like it was pretty big. Which maybe it

591
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.159
was a half dead one or something like that, who knows,

592
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.880
but he said it made quite a crash and then

593
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.920
there was limb snapping after that. That you expect linn

594
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.000
snapping as like the thing falls down or whatever, but

595
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.960
he said after that there was like limb snapping and whatnot,

596
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.920
And I was like, it's weird. Yeah, are there.

597
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:52.119
A lot of missing persons cases that happened in that area?

598
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.760
No, I said, I do think that there's one that

599
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.880
was mentioned in Politis's book. It's not really a National

600
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.679
park area, but I think there was one there. But

601
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.480
I don't really know much about the missing Purse's thing.

602
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.440
But I was watching, and this has been years and

603
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.800
years ago, but I think I watched something on cryptids

604
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.880
on a channel and somebody in the comments was taught

605
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.119
They were talking about dog Man, and somebody put in

606
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:30.400
the comments Potosi is a town that's just north of there,

607
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.679
maybe forty miles or so, and he said that he

608
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.320
had seen it twice around Potosi dog Man while he

609
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.239
was fishing. I actually got a hold of him through email.

610
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.360
I looked up somehow I found his email address, and

611
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.360
I emailed him and asked him more about it, because

612
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.000
here's a guy like I know Potosi area from my

613
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.039
own state that's seen him twice or whatever he's fishing.

614
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.079
I emailed him and had a conversation with him, and

615
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.880
he said that both times he saw it at the

616
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.760
same place. It was a buddy of his had some property,

617
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.800
had a good fishing pond on and he went over

618
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.719
there and he saw one and it scared him off,

619
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.719
but he was thought, I've never seen one of these

620
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.800
before me. It was just freak. So he went back

621
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.639
and saw an even bigger one which kind of got aggressive.

622
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.679
He was able to get away, and so basically he

623
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.880
was telling me, I'm not going to quit fishing, but

624
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.199
I went and bought a five hundred magnum man, so

625
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.119
I'm not going back out there without that.

626
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.800
Wow, that's wild. That's cool. You tracked him down though,

627
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:35.599
Nice work.

628
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:42.159
Yeah. Yeah, So that's it for that particular trip. Now,

629
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.480
that was September, so two thousand and six. October so

630
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.880
the very next month. And this is in Howell County, Missouri,

631
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.360
which is West Plains, Missouri's like your biggest town in

632
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.599
that county. It's down on the Arkansas border. A couple

633
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.559
of my cousins both bought their own pieces of property

634
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.159
adjoining property there, both about one hundred and eighty acres

635
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.679
I think, and so they bought it took for deer hunting,

636
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.519
turkey hunting, all that. In October. I went down there

637
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.599
to get it ready. It hadn't even been hunted yet,

638
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.840
so they were putting up blinds and stuff like that

639
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:25.239
stayed overnight. It's me, my dad, and the two cousins

640
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.639
that don't it, And we stayed in one of the

641
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.320
cousins cabins about I'd say about midnight that night, I

642
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:40.800
started carrying the whoops. I'd heard them on the internet thing,

643
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.519
and i'd heard them on the internet, but I'd never

644
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:48.280
heard them in nature before. But his cabin that the

645
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:53.320
properties are between two rivers, another famous river here in Missouri,

646
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.280
the Eleven Point River is on one cousin's side, and

647
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.559
then a tributary to that's on the other side, and

648
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.960
we were closer to the other tributary. I can't remember

649
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.639
the name of it right now. His cabin was it

650
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.920
was up this gentle sloping hill that comes up about

651
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.559
three hundred yards or so to his cabin, and that's

652
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.079
where I was hearing the whoops going down to the

653
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.480
river on that slope, and I think I made out

654
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.719
three different ones at three different distances, so it was

655
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.559
like three of them, just kansas in that hillside. And

656
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.679
it went away and then it came back, and then

657
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.440
it went away again, and then it came back. So

658
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.639
they were just going back and forth, and there's a

659
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.920
lot of it's a really good habitat lots of year there,

660
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.280
and so I thought that was neat. I've had a

661
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.480
lot of stuff happen on that property. But now let's see,

662
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.320
we're back to Tomsawk Mountain again. May of two thousand

663
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:59.039
and seven. I decided to do a solo camp, so

664
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.800
I set up in that same campsite from the previous

665
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.360
year September two thousand and six. But I'm by myself

666
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.199
this time, and I get there, I set up camp.

667
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:17.519
There's no one else in the campsite. I see a

668
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.880
tent set up, but there's no car there. And I

669
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.800
walk by and look and the door is open. There's

670
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.039
nobody in the tent. I don't really know what's going on.

671
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.599
I don't as far as I know, nobody ever even

672
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.440
showed up to the tent, which I didn't think was

673
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.880
super unusual, because that is our trail goes not too

674
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.960
far right behind that, and there will be people that

675
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.760
hike that and then come in set up their tent

676
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.559
in the campground and maybe do some other hikes and

677
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.239
come back to it or whatever. So I never ended

678
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.960
up figuring out what happened with that. There's just a

679
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.199
tent with nobody in it. But otherwise there's nobody in

680
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.719
the whole campground. I'm the only one there. I remember

681
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.079
like I was going to sleep on an air mattress

682
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.039
and I forgot the inflator. I had to blow that

683
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:11.039
thing up with my hand with my mouth, And usually

684
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.639
I pick up the sticks and start a fire, but

685
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.159
after doing that, I didn't even feel like it. Or

686
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.599
generally I clean up my campground of all the twigs

687
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.639
to start the fire with, and that's important for later.

688
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.679
That took up so much daylight that I'm having to

689
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.840
use a lantern to cook at night, and I ended

690
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.280
up burning. I tried to make some kind of macaroni

691
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:37.159
and cheese and I ended up burning it, and so

692
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.639
I only get about half of it, and the other

693
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.559
half is stuck to this bowl, this metal bowl that

694
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.039
I cooked it in. By the time I get that eat,

695
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.000
I'm ready to go to bed. And I just I

696
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.400
knew I was going to get marauded by raccoons. You

697
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.440
do every time, But I left all that stuff out

698
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.039
and I was just like, if they wake me up,

699
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.920
no big deal. So sure enough, about midnight, the racoons

700
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.599
come by, they grab that bowl cheese. Union is just

701
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.280
rattling around for ten minutes or whatever. You know, that

702
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.239
burned macaroni and cheese really puts out a stink, so

703
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.920
I'm sure everything in the woods can smell it. Once

704
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.519
all that's done, I go back to sleep. Well about

705
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:25.159
four o'clock in the morning, I wake up to I

706
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.159
don't know how to explain it any other difference, and

707
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:31.840
sounds like a person walking. It's like bipedal footsteps. And

708
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.840
once they get close to my tent, they started twigs

709
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.760
start snapping, the ones I didn't pick up to make

710
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.920
a fire with. So these twigs start snapping, and I'm like,

711
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.320
what is going on? It just gets closer and then

712
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.239
I feel my tent just come up off of the ground,

713
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:56.199
like it kicked my tent at the corner and not

714
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.320
super hard, but like enough to pull the steak out.

715
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.840
And I was at that point I was just like,

716
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.199
oh boy, what we got here? So there was silence.

717
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.239
I can always maintain my silence, and there's just silence,

718
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.639
a little pause of about five seconds, and then I

719
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.119
hear the footsteps can start coming around and I'm like,

720
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.800
if it comes to the front of my tent, I

721
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.880
have a gun. I was like, if this thing is

722
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.199
whatever it is, a person, whatever starts messing with me,

723
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.639
it's going to be bad for him. Stops again. I

724
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.159
may have made a little bit of a noise. Stops

725
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.920
again for a little bit. Then I hear it going

726
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.400
over and start messing with that bowl and like other

727
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:46.159
utensils I left out, and I was like, this isn't

728
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.119
Everything runs through your mind, what could this be? Is

729
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.719
is this another raccoon? And I was like, there's no

730
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.519
way this is a raccoon. Snap and all these twigs

731
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.159
walking on two feet or anything like that. I'm up

732
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.800
the rest of the night until daylight and I get

733
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.880
up and I thought my cooler would have been gone

734
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.760
through and everything wasn't. In thinking about that afterwards, I

735
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.559
was like, why wouldn't whatever this was raid my cooler?

736
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.599
I think it smelled the burnt macaroni and cheese and

737
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:19.760
it just went for that.

738
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.599
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

739
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.480
What I do with my coolers is usually I don't

740
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.480
do anything with them after I go camping and they

741
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.280
get a little nasty, so I bleach them out and

742
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.880
real good, use a lot disinfected on them. And I

743
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.320
don't know, maybe it couldn't smell food in it. Because

744
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:59.840
of that, I would think if it just knows what

745
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:02.239
a cooler is by side, it would do that. But

746
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.800
I don't guess this one did or whatever. But yeah,

747
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.519
I'm pretty sure it was a bigfoot because the next

748
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.639
morning I got up, I intended to do a hike,

749
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.199
about a five mile hike, and I just felt I

750
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:18.800
was like followed the whole way, at least down off

751
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.960
of the mountain. I didn't feel like it followed me

752
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.320
back up, but it went down into the valley that

753
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.599
I went down into with me. I'm pretty sure because

754
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.719
I just had that sneaky something's watching me feeling that

755
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:34.400
whole time, and then k not the way back. So

756
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.960
that was a pretty intense thing. To get to your

757
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:37.639
tent kicked.

758
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.280
Oh yeah, I don't know how I would, man, I

759
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.760
don't think I could. That would be hard to deal with.

760
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.920
Like you're inside the tent, it gets kicked enough so

761
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:48.719
that the steak starts to come out.

762
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.079
Dude, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, I checked that. The next morning.

763
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.880
The steak was like up out of the grand Did.

764
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.000
You see any footprints around or anything like that.

765
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.639
No. The way they did their camp sites theres they

766
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.239
bring in a lot of sand and chipped up rock

767
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:09.559
gravel and so no, not really and it was for May.

768
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.760
It was dry. It did rain that morning, like my

769
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.960
whole hike was drizzled on, but that's after the fat

770
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:20.480
But it really didn't rain enough to soften the ground

771
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:25.400
for footprints anyway. But anyway, in two November of two thousand,

772
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.639
I'm back in Holle County to the property again. So

773
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.039
for a couple of years, I'm just going Tomshag Mountain,

774
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.920
Howle County is where I'm having my stuff. We actually

775
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.159
had footprints. I was working a job at the time,

776
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.119
so I was only going on weekends. I went the

777
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:48.280
first weekend and I would talk about bigfoot. I didn't

778
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.920
really care. I'd get some guff over it, but I

779
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.480
would talk about it the way. I come back the

780
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.119
second weekend and they're like, hey, one of the guys,

781
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.760
one of my other cousins, he found the four footprints.

782
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.559
Over there's this little pond in the middle of the woods.

783
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.199
There's like a little clay dam that somebody built and

784
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.719
created this little pond. It's not big, maybe twenty feet across,

785
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:16.880
twenty five feet across, something like that, and that year.

786
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.679
One of my cousins worked for US Forestry actually, and

787
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.559
he said that we were in a fifty year drought

788
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.239
in that area at that time. So that made sense

789
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.079
to me that a big foot would come up to

790
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.599
that little pond because those rivers, both the rivers there

791
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.639
are what's called and here we're getting into the little

792
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.280
geology here are what's called losing streams, which means they're

793
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:49.800
in limestone. And basically the rock under the river is

794
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.880
so cavernous that unless there's enough flow to fill all

795
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.559
of that up, it doesn't flow on the surface. So

796
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.079
you have to have a pretty good rain at that

797
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.440
point in the river. Now on downstream on the eleven point,

798
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.719
there's some big, fairly good sized springs that keep it

799
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.480
flowing constantly, but there you'll end up it's dry bed

800
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.320
a lot of the time, so the animals aren't getting

801
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.400
their water out of the rivers. In times like that,

802
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.480
there's little seep springs around that they'll just create, like

803
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.679
a little five foot pool or something. But anyway, we

804
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.559
had footprints on this pond just up in the middle

805
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.960
of the woods because that's where things were coming for

806
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.679
their water. And so they told me that and I

807
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.639
was like, I was excited about it. So I was like,

808
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.320
I'll go over there tonight. So it's probably like ten

809
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:44.480
at night. I grab a flashlight, I go over there.

810
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.920
I had no idea what to expect. I didn't have

811
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.199
the right tools. Found out the next day I had

812
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.199
to have a rake to break the leaves off. The

813
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.280
leaves had fallen in that week between the two weekends.

814
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.800
But I go over there the night before and it's

815
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.320
pretty close to the driveway of my other coven cousin's cabin,

816
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.480
and I'm walking down the gravel road and as soon

817
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.119
as I step off into the leaves, I hear something

818
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.480
start to move, just maybe fifty feet away from me.

819
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.559
All I've got is like a little petzel headlamp, not

820
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.280
particularly bright, and it's not even one of these. It

821
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.320
wasn't even one of these newer ones with the it's

822
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.119
one of the old bulb kind. I'm like, I wonder

823
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.880
what that is. I'm thinking maybe dear or something. I kept.

824
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.360
I take a few more cautious steps, and every step

825
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.199
I took, it took a step back away from me,

826
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.880
and so I would advance a little bit and then

827
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.920
I would retreat a little bit. And it would do

828
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.239
the same thing. It would if I move forward, it

829
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.360
would move back, and then if I moved back, it

830
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.480
would move forward again. And I'm like, what is this deal?

831
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.400
You know, I'm over here looking for bigfoot footprints, and

832
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.079
now I got a weird acting deal here. You know,

833
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.480
I was figuring if it's a bear or a deer,

834
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.159
they just see you, they take off, right, And so

835
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.000
I've actually got like a radio and I'm calling back

836
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:10.679
to the guys. I was like, I got some weird

837
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.079
over here, which they think's hilarious. But anyway, I just

838
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:16.880
that goes on for a little bit and then it

839
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.400
just starts cracking branches. And the place was logged off,

840
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.199
and that was the reason it was cheap enough to

841
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.400
buy for hunting land. It had been logged off. So

842
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.960
there's a lot of down to branches everywhere, which makes

843
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.679
for good hunting land. There's a lot of cover for wildlife.

844
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.920
This thing just starts grabbing branches and snapping them out.

845
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.440
It's as loud as a shotgun going off, So I

846
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.079
don't know how big the branches have to be to

847
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.760
make that noise, four inches something like that, but it

848
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.119
just starts doing that, and I was like okay. I

849
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.639
was like, I'll leave you alone, and I just book

850
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.760
it back to the cabin. And so me and my

851
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.880
cousin go over there the next day and we drive

852
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.280
over there and we go up to look for the footprints,

853
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.920
and the leaves are over there. So he's all, we

854
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:05.159
got to go back and get a rake. So we

855
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.199
go get a rake, rake them back, and there was

856
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.599
four footprints. I know, soil is pretty good. I worked

857
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:16.280
in a soils lab in engineering, and that clay was

858
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.119
just the right consistency to just perfectly mold that foot.

859
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.159
The only thing I didn't have was the end of

860
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:26.679
the toes. The water had lapped up in probably an

861
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.000
inch or less of toe had gotten lapped off. But

862
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.320
my cousin in has sense said that they planted those there.

863
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:38.920
But I know that's not true because here's what told

864
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.239
me that these were real footprints. That thing squatted down.

865
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.119
It's got a big toe that's very separated from the

866
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:51.639
other toes. These footprints were about fifteen and a half

867
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.639
inches long, six inches wide were the ball of the

868
00:52:54.679 --> 00:53:00.000
foot would be. I imagine that thing kind of squatted

869
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.000
down and as you lean forward, maybe to cup some water,

870
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.800
like if you think about it, your foot, your way

871
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.960
gets distributed to the front of your foot. That soil

872
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.639
curled up in between all those toes, especially the big toe,

873
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.519
the big gap. So there, can you imagine what I'm

874
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:29.079
talking about. Yeah, that soil curled up in between those toes,

875
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.079
and that was preserved there. And I was like, there's

876
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.840
no way, it's like some wood carve out hoax thing.

877
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.199
It's like when that was a dynamic foot that did that.

878
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.039
And so there was two footprints like that, and then

879
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:48.400
it like stepped over its on foot with its right

880
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.239
foot stepped over it not to step out into the

881
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.559
water to go along the bank. And there was two more,

882
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.920
uh kind of they weren't nearly as good, but along

883
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:02.639
the bank. So yeah, there's four footprints there and I

884
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.480
got pictures of them. I couldn't find my camera, but

885
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.639
my dad's camera. I got pictures of them, but somehow

886
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.480
in the processing they got deleted, so I didn't end

887
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:14.400
up with the pictures. O.

888
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.760
Man, Yeah, oh that's too bad.

889
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:21.239
I know, it's like just one of those things. But

890
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.480
so but yeah, those were just beautiful. If those could

891
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.079
have been plastercasted, there have been so much detail in

892
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:32.639
those because it was in one substrate. A lot of

893
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.880
these things there's gravel in them, sticks and all that.

894
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.079
It was just perfect red clay that those were in.

895
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.599
But I know there's bigfoot there. Now. I've seen the

896
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.960
I've had the experiences with them. I've heard the whoops,

897
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.440
I've seen the footprints, and so anyway, yeah, that was

898
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.079
That was in November two thousand and seven. So in

899
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.159
the summer of two thousand and eight, me and my

900
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.880
buddy Tom, the guy, the same guy I've been talking

901
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.480
about this whole time, we decided to go camping at

902
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.280
Washington State Park, which is about twelve miles north of Potosi,

903
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.320
the town I was just talking about. It's actually in

904
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.079
Washington County. That's why it's called Washington State Park. We

905
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.599
pull in there and it's we're not in a big

906
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.679
hurry to set up the tent. We just got one

907
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.559
tent this time, one big tent. We're not in a

908
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.800
big hurry. As dust starts to come around. The Big

909
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.639
River is a river that goes through the through the

910
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.679
state park there and it's just down the hill from us.

911
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.079
As it starts to get dusk, I start to hear

912
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.840
wood knocks, which I had never heard before I read

913
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.639
about them, but i'd never heard them, but like very

914
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:53.280
obviously and probably I would say three different places. They

915
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.639
were coming from all around us because we're on a

916
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:00.719
ridge that is downhill on all three sides, and I

917
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.679
think the river kind of contours around that ridge. We

918
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.480
couldn't go exploring because they'd had a storm like the

919
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.360
previous year. There's trails, but the trails were closed because

920
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.039
they hadn't been able to clean up all the broken

921
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.840
limbs that were still hanging up in the trees. So

922
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.239
I always like to go exploring, but we couldn't do

923
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.320
it because of that, because they closed the trails because

924
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.800
they were afraid limbs would fall out and hurt somebody.

925
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.079
But anyway, yeah, I started hearing these wood knocks and

926
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.239
I just become so fascinated with it. We had a

927
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.360
thunderstorm like riding up on us, and we just become

928
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.599
so fascinated with it. It starts raining on us, and

929
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:41.519
we didn't ever put the tin dups. We just went

930
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.119
back home because we didn't. You can't put a tent

931
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.719
up in the rain and not expect to have a

932
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.519
wet night. So but the interesting thing about Washington State

933
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:56.559
Park is there's Native American rock carvings there. I don't

934
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.239
know if you call that Petrick glyphs.

935
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.719
Yeah, yeah, I think I think, yeah, I think you would.

936
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.239
Yeah. So it's in limestone, so it's not like some

937
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.599
of the red rock ones that you see out west.

938
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.920
They're they're hard to make out, but like the park

939
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.719
Service there will chalk line them for people. They'll draw

940
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.199
them and chalk the two interesting things. There's several things

941
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.480
that they were wanting to communicate, and then I think

942
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:26.199
these are probably as old as I want to say,

943
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.199
between four and nine hundred years old. The state archaeologists

944
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:33.880
I had a card that had all that information at

945
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:35.840
one time, like a postcard that they put it on.

946
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:41.599
But there were drawings of thunderbirds, and then there was

947
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:49.679
several feet which the archaeologists interpreted as the native's feet,

948
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:55.840
despite them being like flat footed and four toed. Really yeah,

949
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.159
So I was like, I don't if you're going to

950
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:01.039
carve something in rock, I think you like are going

951
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:02.960
to put the effort in to get it accurate. So

952
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.280
I don't know why you would like make a weird

953
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:10.880
your own foot look weird. Yeah, four toes and flat footed. Yeah,

954
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.360
so that's pretty good indication that they were seeing these

955
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.960
same things one hundred years ago. Yeah, so that's what

956
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.840
it's mean about the Washington State Park. They've got that.

957
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.400
Whether there's not a lot of that in Missouri with

958
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:29.559
the petroglyphs, but yeah, there's a nice little area there.

959
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.480
See the woodknocks that you heard in that park, was

960
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:34.159
there like a pattern to them at all?

961
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:42.159
Yeah. I'd say you'd hear they would do more than

962
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:47.760
one from the same location, and then there'd be a pause,

963
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.199
and I can't really say how long the pause was.

964
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.000
It wasn't long. It might be twenty seconds or something

965
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.519
like that, and then you'd hear them in this other

966
00:58:56.599 --> 00:59:02.199
location and then further, like I said, we're not on

967
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:07.119
this peninsula type ridge, yeap, And they were kinding from

968
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.119
like the three sides, so as almost like we were

969
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.679
surrounded on the three sides. And like I said, like

970
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.760
it's downhill to the river on all three sides, like

971
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.320
a river goes around that it could bend, and so yeah,

972
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.920
they were downhill from us. So yeah, it varied, but

973
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:28.719
like I'd say, there'd be ten to twenty seconds between

974
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:29.760
them or something like that.

975
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.760
Interesting that Yeah, Yeah, that whole that Washington State Park.

976
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:39.320
It definitely has. That river has some interesting curves to it,

977
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.559
and they always say to look at those curves.

978
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:50.159
Interesting little fact about the Big River is that there's

979
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:51.599
very little fish in there.

980
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.679
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

981
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.920
Very few fish because of mining activity into Saint Francis

982
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.719
Mountains from like a hundred years ago. There wasn't really

983
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:22.559
any mining regulations back then. They would take their mind

984
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.760
tailings and just pile them and the rock this volcanic rock.

985
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:34.280
Geologists call it acid rock, this particular kind because when

986
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:39.360
it rains on it, it creates a kind of an acidic solution.

987
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.920
And what they're mining is led is the main thing.

988
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.760
The lead beltier in Missouri is the biggest one in

989
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.159
the world, but there's other minerals in it. So basically

990
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.760
what got leached out. The main two things that got

991
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.320
leached out of that rock and ran off into tributaries

992
01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.760
and it eventually ended up in the Big River was

993
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:06.679
and zinc. Fish can tolerate lead, but they can't tolerate zinc.

994
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:10.119
So the zinc killed the fish, which that sounds like

995
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.360
an environmental disaster, but I guess the one good thing

996
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.679
you can think about was the fish. Since they can

997
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.199
tolerate lead, they build it up and if you caught

998
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.480
that fish, you'd be getting lead. But it died, so

999
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.480
that kept anybody from eating those fish and getting lead poisoning.

1000
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:30.039
So that's a good point. But wow wild.

1001
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.800
Yeah, but you know, you think about bigfoot being close

1002
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.159
to the river because there's like a lot of fish

1003
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:41.440
and stuff like that. But I guess they go for

1004
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.840
other things there because there's I fished in the Big

1005
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.239
River before I knew that, and I never caught anything.

1006
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.400
Of course, I don't know how far downstream that is effective.

1007
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.559
You're quite a ways downstream at Washington State Park. I've

1008
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.800
never fished there, so I don't know. But anyway, the

1009
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.800
next thing I have is two thousand and eight, November.

1010
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:07.960
I'm deer hunting in Hallll County again and it's at

1011
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.639
the end of the season. This was very disturbing to me.

1012
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:15.039
I'm not I don't think this was bigfoot, but it's

1013
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.440
at the end of the season. It's just me and

1014
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:22.280
my cousin on the property and I decide to I

1015
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.079
go out in the morning or no, I went out

1016
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.440
in the afternoon. It was afternoon towards the front of

1017
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.440
the property, and I'm just being lazy. I just was like,

1018
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.599
I'm just going to sit in the chair, this chair

1019
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.559
up the hill and there's like a draw that they

1020
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:43.360
run through, but it's very a lot of small trees,

1021
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:46.119
so you can't they can't see you. You can't see

1022
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.880
them till they come out at this point, and I

1023
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.320
was like, I'm just going to hunt this. So I

1024
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.239
get there about one in the afternoon. I'm just sitting

1025
01:02:54.280 --> 01:03:00.000
in a you know, a chair and overlooking this well.

1026
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:03.800
I'd say about three o'clock, I'm sitting there a Sunday

1027
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:10.159
day blue skies. I just started getting this like feeling.

1028
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:16.119
This was literally like a projection of emotion, and it

1029
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:23.960
was hatred, like very intense anger hatred. And it wasn't

1030
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.360
like what I felt back when I, you know, I

1031
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:30.079
was talking about being paralyzed. It was different from that.

1032
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:36.920
It was very powerful, and so much so that like

1033
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.599
when I was talking about earlier about being paralyzed by something,

1034
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.960
I knew the general direction I felt like it was

1035
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:49.679
coming from. Something was coming from behind me. This had

1036
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.639
a vector to it. I knew exactly where it was

1037
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:57.400
coming from exactly. It was like I was getting raided

1038
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:01.440
with this, and I I left in my rifle because

1039
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.159
I wanted to look. It was a little dark piece

1040
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.679
of woods and where I felt it coming from, so

1041
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:09.599
I wanted to look through my scopes if I could

1042
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.000
see something. I never saw anything, but that went on

1043
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:20.320
for probably a good minute and very unsettling. So I

1044
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.360
didn't get scared. I didn't get intimidated off because I've

1045
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.840
got a high powered rifle and so I was just like,

1046
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.480
I'm going to sit here and see what happens. I

1047
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.239
know bigfoots on the I kind of attributed it to

1048
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.679
bigfoot because I was like, I know they're here. I've

1049
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.239
seen the evidence. So I was like, yeah, it's just

1050
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.320
mad at me. I'll just get out of here and

1051
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.719
not come back over here was my thinking. But it

1052
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:45.679
was like, I'm not going to leave right now. So

1053
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.880
it comes four point thirty, it's getting dark by five,

1054
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:53.079
and I'm like, I'm not going to wait till dark here.

1055
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:55.119
I'm just I want to have I want to be

1056
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.239
able to get back to the cabin. Well, it's like

1057
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:01.679
it's it's probably a good four hundred yards walk back

1058
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:06.199
to the cabin. So I take off, but I'm so

1059
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.280
ill at ease that. Like every thirty or so steps,

1060
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:12.840
I'll look and check my six I want to see

1061
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:15.760
if something's following me up. So that's it's like that.

1062
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.320
The whole way back. I get back to the cabin.

1063
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.760
The sun's just starting to set. As soon as I

1064
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:25.880
stepped into the like I have to go through woods,

1065
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:29.320
but it's a road. I'm walking along road that whole way,

1066
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.039
but the cabin's in a big clearing. Soon as I

1067
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:38.599
stepped into that clearing, I was like, I'm just thinking myself, Hi,

1068
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.679
you didn't get me right. And as soon as that happens,

1069
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.760
I just hear this howl and I knew it wasn't

1070
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.159
a kyle. There's lots of coyotes around here, hear them

1071
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.159
all the time. It just sounded like a normal wolf.

1072
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.320
I would say, it wasn't any louder than a normal wolf,

1073
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:01.679
but definitely not a coyote or anything small. And I

1074
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:09.960
was like, and it was probably halfway from where I

1075
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.880
was to me at that point, so it was like

1076
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.480
four hundred yards it was. It had closed two hundred yards.

1077
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.440
I'm assuming what howel was also what was messing with

1078
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.800
me over there? I was like, I'm just gonna go

1079
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:23.880
in the cabin and not come out. I went in

1080
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.199
the cabin, had dinner or whatever. So it's five o'clock

1081
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.880
my cousin comes in. There's no electricity to the cabin,

1082
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.159
so you're just like by lantern light and everything, and

1083
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.639
so usually you go to bed early. So about seven

1084
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:43.880
point thirty, I've gotta take a peeve. So basically I

1085
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.239
just stepped out onto the front porch, which is just

1086
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.039
a foot above the ground or whatever, and like right

1087
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:53.159
there by the door, there's no porch just to the right,

1088
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440
so that's where everybody peesing is up stinking after a while,

1089
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.840
so I'm paying and it is just pitch dark out there.

1090
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.119
I literally couldn't see my hand in front of my face,

1091
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:07.639
Like literally I did that. I like shook my hand

1092
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:09.360
in front of my face like a foot, couldn't see it.

1093
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:13.800
I thought, what, it must be a new moon. I

1094
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.679
didn't know what moon cycle we were in, but must

1095
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.559
be a new moon or something. Before I'm even done,

1096
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:24.159
I start hearing this. Something's trotting toward me through the grass,

1097
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:25.840
grows up to you two and a half feet there.

1098
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.880
I can hear it coming from a ways away, and

1099
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.760
it's just this it's not a fast run. It's just

1100
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:38.280
this very confident, steady paced trot. And so I was finished,

1101
01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:40.800
and I just slipped back in the door and closed

1102
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.880
because that is a weird feeling when you don't know

1103
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.119
what it is. It's pitch dark and something's coming towards

1104
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.320
you and you don't know what it is. Could have

1105
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:53.199
just been you. You think maybe it's just a beagle

1106
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:55.920
or something. But it was bigger than that, of course,

1107
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.760
But so I just slipped back in. I'm like, especially

1108
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.320
after one of these happened two and a half hours ago.

1109
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.119
So I get back inside and I hear it jump

1110
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:11.920
onto the porch and it comes over to the door

1111
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:18.039
and starts scratching at the base of the door with cloths,

1112
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:25.000
just scratching the door. And that goes on for I'm

1113
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.600
going to say thirty to forty five seconds. It's just

1114
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.960
trying to dig through the bottom of the door. And

1115
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.000
my cousin's on the phone talking to his girlfriend on

1116
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:37.359
his cell phone, and I kind of wave and get

1117
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:40.640
his attention. I was like, you hear this, and he

1118
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.920
like listens for a minute and I hear his girlfriend says,

1119
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.319
what is it? And he goes a Kyle, dies are

1120
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:48.359
just trying to dig through the door and get us,

1121
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:52.119
and he just laughs it off. But anyway, he gets

1122
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:55.760
off the phone. Like right after that, we get a

1123
01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:01.199
flashlight over look out There nothing there anymore. So I'm like, okay,

1124
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:03.720
that's the end of it. So we go to bed

1125
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.600
about eight o'clock. I wake up about two in the morning,

1126
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.600
got a pee again, and I'm like, I'm going out

1127
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:14.840
on the back porch this time. The back porch is

1128
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:16.600
higher off the ground, you got about two and a

1129
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:21.079
half feet, and I'm taking the headlamp and a pistol

1130
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:28.000
this time. So I go out and now there's light.

1131
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.199
It's like there was there must have been heavy cloud

1132
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.800
cover and there, but there is a moon and you

1133
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.880
got some ambient light. As soon as I come out

1134
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.520
and start doing my business, I hear something over in

1135
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.680
the woodline, which is I don't know, fifty yards away

1136
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.840
from the cabin at that point. Get up and start

1137
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.640
coming my way, and I'm like, this thing is still

1138
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:54.239
here trying to get me. It's just stalking me. And

1139
01:09:54.720 --> 01:10:01.399
so I can see it. It's on four legs. It's

1140
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:05.239
a dog, and it's about the size of a ah,

1141
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:10.800
maybe a great gain or something, maybe a smaller maybe

1142
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.800
not quite that tall, maybe a big german shepherd or something.

1143
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:17.279
I can see it cutting through the grass as it's

1144
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.960
coming toward me in just the ambient light. I haven't

1145
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.039
turned my light on yet. I wanted to get closer

1146
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.439
before I turned the light. So finally it gets close,

1147
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:29.640
maybe it's thirty yards away or so, and I have

1148
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.640
to twist that old petsil for it to come on.

1149
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.760
I twisted on, hit it, and it immediately side skirts

1150
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.880
super fast. But I got to see it for that

1151
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.640
little millisecond there was I'd say it was like a

1152
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:47.000
brown color, like a medium brown color, but it's side skirts,

1153
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:50.560
and so I look around. I go back inside, and

1154
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.239
so the next morning when I get up, I'm like,

1155
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:56.039
on full alert, is this thing still out there? And

1156
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:59.359
I never had an encounter with it again, But that

1157
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.239
was pretty because it was like, what was really disturbing

1158
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.279
to me was the fact that it just kept trying

1159
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:09.399
to get me. It was like it would fail and

1160
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.520
it would just wait for another time. It'd wait another

1161
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.399
six hours to lay out there a way for me

1162
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:16.439
to come back out again.

1163
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:21.079
Oh, I agree. It's the patience that takes for some yeah,

1164
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:22.960
I'm just going to camp out here because he's got

1165
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:23.920
to come out eventually.

1166
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:30.079
That's exactly. So I've always after that experience been like

1167
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.279
it got to the point where, like my first bigfoot

1168
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.520
experience there, with the breaking of the branches, I was like,

1169
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:39.560
it's just warning to take off, buddy, And I was

1170
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.800
like sure, I've never really been afraid of the bigfoot there,

1171
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.119
but this thing has had me ill at ease over

1172
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:50.159
there ever since, because it's like it's wanting. Yeah, if

1173
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.479
it's willing to sit there and wait for you for

1174
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.279
hours and hours to come out, it's got bad intent.

1175
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.479
But yeah, in two thousand, I've got a note here

1176
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.880
that I remember in twenty twelve, so this is four

1177
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:05.920
years later. Another hunter that I hunted with there. I

1178
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.159
think there was about four of us. We're just standing

1179
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:09.600
out in front of the cabin. It's the middle of

1180
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.439
the day, maybe the one in the afternoon or something,

1181
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.520
and we're just talking bs and I see him like

1182
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:22.199
look over and I looked at him and I can

1183
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:25.239
tell like something wrong. I was like, well, what's going on?

1184
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.520
And he goes, I just saw something down there, and

1185
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:33.199
he's looking down a road. It's not the road that

1186
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.720
I had walked in on. It's like the road goes further,

1187
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.479
he goes in front of the cabin, goes further on

1188
01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.600
that the other direction he goes, I just saw something

1189
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.800
come out of the woods down there, and I was like,

1190
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.399
what do you think it was? And I'm thinking it's

1191
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.199
like we'd had a black bear on the property. So

1192
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:50.560
I'm thinking. He's like, it was black and it was big,

1193
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.199
and I was like, was it a black bear? I

1194
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:56.039
was like, because we had one of those here, you know,

1195
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.039
a couple of years ago. And he's like, it wasn't

1196
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:02.720
a bear. And then I kept answering questions on it,

1197
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.359
and he just refused to talk about it anymore. That's

1198
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.760
always made me wonder what he saw. Just he said

1199
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:09.600
it just stepped out of the woods and looked at

1200
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.960
us and just went back in. But he didn't even

1201
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.039
say if it was on two legs or four legs

1202
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.239
or anything like that. He wouldn't talk about it anymore.

1203
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:18.640
And this is just clammed up.

1204
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.439
This also on your cousin's property.

1205
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:24.479
Yes, yeah, same cabin everything. Yeah, it is like right

1206
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.880
in front of our cabin. Yeah. So my next one

1207
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:32.840
is in twenty eleven, and this is where my parents lived.

1208
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:36.439
This happened where my parents lived the first property I

1209
01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:38.479
talked about when I as a teenager. We moved into

1210
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.800
town for about three years, and then we moved out

1211
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.560
to this location and they lived there for let's see,

1212
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:50.600
seventeen years or so. So this is twenty eleven October.

1213
01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.520
This is the only thing that ever happened there. But

1214
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.840
this is a really interesting one. I think about it

1215
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:01.199
a lot even to this day. And I remember when

1216
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.840
it happened because it was the night of the seventh

1217
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:07.119
game of the World Series when the car you think

1218
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.640
Louis Cardinals won the World Series in October twenty eleven.

1219
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.920
And the situation was my parents kept some chickens, We

1220
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.560
had a chicken pin, and we had raccoons were just

1221
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:24.399
constantly marauding thing killing the chickens. Those things can get

1222
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.960
in like little squeeze spaces you wouldn't believe actually had

1223
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.960
We weren't sure what it was that was killing this time,

1224
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.279
because it was grabbing stuff during the day. Because we'd

1225
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.720
opened the chicken pin and just leave the door open

1226
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.840
until they went back in for the night and then

1227
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:44.359
closed it. It was going in and grabbing them during

1228
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.319
the day. And we'd lost about three chickens. But the

1229
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:49.960
last one it got, it had pulled out of the

1230
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:55.159
chicken house and drug it over to the fence and

1231
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:58.520
it got caught in the fence. My dad had mules

1232
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:00.960
that he liked to let in the yard, so he

1233
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.920
had the whole thing fenced in with that fencing that's

1234
01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:07.960
got the wire rectangles that are forgot, I forget what

1235
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.560
you call that stuff, but you can't even fit a

1236
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.600
chicken through it. So whatever dragged the chicken over there,

1237
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:19.399
the chicken got stuck in the fence and was dead.

1238
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.760
Those raccoons like will rip the chicken's heads off, and

1239
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.239
it was like that stuck in the fence. So I

1240
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.720
was like, I'm gonna stake this chicken out and see

1241
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.840
if this thing comes back for it. So I did

1242
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:34.880
that till dusk and nothing came back.

1243
01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:38.319
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1244
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:57.680
So then I went in and watched the game. It

1245
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:01.399
didn't get over till about eleven at night, and so

1246
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:04.680
I was like I was staying there in like they

1247
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.159
had a little guest house, and I was like, I'm

1248
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.319
just going to stay at night here. So I was like,

1249
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:11.279
I'm going to go see what happened with that chicken,

1250
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:15.960
if something came back for it or not. And I

1251
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:20.279
go out there, and my dad always has wherever he lives,

1252
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:22.760
he builds all kinds of buildings on the place. So

1253
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:26.760
there's like a corral for a little building that he

1254
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:30.000
stores stuff in. I'm in between that, and then a

1255
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:35.439
bigger building for more storage. And then there's the mule barn,

1256
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:39.199
which isn't like a regular sized barn. It's a fairly

1257
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:43.359
small barn. It's on the other side. So and that's

1258
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:45.000
right by the fence. So I got to go in

1259
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.039
between these two buildings to where this is. And as

1260
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:50.920
soon as I turn the corner on that building and

1261
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.199
start walking up, it's just a fifteen feet on back

1262
01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:58.800
to the fence. I hear rustling. So I'm like, oh, okay, whatever,

1263
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.960
whatever killing the chickens is right here. I walk on up.

1264
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:09.159
I've got a bright flashlight, twelve gage shotgun. I don't

1265
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:13.560
see anything. The chickens still stuck in the fence like

1266
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:18.359
it was, but there's something sizable there. So I walk

1267
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:24.560
on up and I keep hearing like little noises, and

1268
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.840
I realized that whatever on the other side of the

1269
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.800
fence is probably two and a half foot tall weed,

1270
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:36.319
fescuish grass, weeds, stuff like that. I realized whatever has

1271
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.000
duck down in that, and so I come up right

1272
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:42.520
like I'm right with the fence. I'm shining my flashlight

1273
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:47.880
over and I'm not seeing anything, but I keep hearing

1274
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:53.640
it move. And this gets creepy because I would I

1275
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:58.600
basically realized that whatever this was had laid down flat

1276
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:02.640
and was at least as long as me, because I

1277
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:05.840
would hear a hand move and make a little leaf noise,

1278
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.319
and then i'd hear over here a foot kind of

1279
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.600
adjust and make it the leaf noise, and then a

1280
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:16.359
hand or elbow noise up here, and like I heard

1281
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:21.319
about three or four adjustments from like hands, arms and

1282
01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:24.359
feet type thing, and I was like, this thing's at

1283
01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:27.439
least six foot long, and I can't see it. I

1284
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:32.039
literally stuck my flashlight over the fence and never saw anything.

1285
01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:35.840
I could have seen my cat, but whatever the six

1286
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:38.880
foot long thing is, I can't. I can't see a thing,

1287
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:43.680
and I'm just confused. I literally stood there for about

1288
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:50.520
five minutes just thinking what it not? Another sound for

1289
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:54.600
probably the five minutes, and then out in the woods,

1290
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:59.920
this is what really got creepy, very sharp stick break,

1291
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.239
not something a deer would break off or anything like that,

1292
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:07.720
just walking through the woods. Just a very loud, not

1293
01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:13.680
not particularly loud, but very sharp stick break. And I

1294
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:20.640
had read enough big foot encounters off of the BFRO website,

1295
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:23.239
Like I went on there and read hundreds of them,

1296
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.520
just trying to glean information. And that had been talked

1297
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:32.600
about quite a bit that when somebody sees one another,

1298
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.399
one will make a noise to distract you so that

1299
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.000
one can possibly get away. This one was in a

1300
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:41.760
situation it wasn't going to get away. But when I

1301
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.279
heard that snick break, stick break, then I started getting

1302
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:47.159
worried about something coming from behind me with all those

1303
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.399
buildings in the way and everything. So I got a

1304
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:52.800
little nervous, but I stood there for a couple more

1305
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.800
minutes and then was just like I just got the

1306
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.359
feeling is this isn't what the problem is, and I'm

1307
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:03.239
just going to leave it alone. So I just walk on.

1308
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:05.800
You could walk behind the big building that I was by.

1309
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:09.119
I just walked down the fence and I'm still shining

1310
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:10.920
my light, and I shined my light up in the

1311
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:15.039
top of this tree and there's this raccoon up there,

1312
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:19.199
and I was sure that was what was killing the chickens.

1313
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:22.279
So I had also had a twenty two pistols. So

1314
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:25.880
I shot that raccoon out of the top of that tree

1315
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:30.039
and it fell out of that tree and hit the

1316
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.439
ground and took off running. But I heard it stop

1317
01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:35.520
out there, just came to a stop, died out there.

1318
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.680
So I was like, I'll go out there and get

1319
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:40.159
it in the morning. So I just went back, went

1320
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:44.159
to bed, went out in the morning. I expected the

1321
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:48.039
chicken to be gone. The chicken was unmolested and still

1322
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.640
stuck in the fence. So I went over the fence,

1323
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:55.119
went out there. That property was like a business neighbor

1324
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.279
we knew really well. He didn't care if we went

1325
01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:01.359
over there. I went out there, ever did find that raccoon.

1326
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.159
Now I can't say whatever that was got the raccoon,

1327
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:08.359
but it made me feel like it that's what got it.

1328
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:13.279
But I also felt the whole reason I was At

1329
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.640
one point I thought, was this a person and they

1330
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.920
were milling around and they just didn't want me. But

1331
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.479
I would have seen them. There's no way I couldn't

1332
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:23.840
have seen them with that flashlight, right over them. That

1333
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.279
grass wasn't so tall, you couldn't, like I said, I

1334
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:29.279
could have seen my cat much less of something the

1335
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.439
size of human or bigger. But I guess why it

1336
01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:35.920
was there is it probably smelled that dead chicken. That's

1337
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:40.520
what probably had brought it in there. So that was

1338
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.039
just a little weird thing. That's really the only thing

1339
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.840
that ever happened on that property. But that just told

1340
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:47.199
me they're around everywhere.

1341
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:53.000
Oh absolutely, Yeah. That the stick brakes are what get me.

1342
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:59.039
I've experienced that out in the woods as well around campsites. Yeah,

1343
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:01.079
makes you take no for sure.

1344
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:04.960
Yeah, especially when you've got something weird happening, and then

1345
01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:09.800
that happens and you're like, Okay, there's about a seven

1346
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.680
year period where I've got nothing. I moved to another place.

1347
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:18.279
So I'm down here by Pomplar Bluff, Missouri, living here

1348
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:22.960
now and down on the state at the state line.

1349
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:27.000
It's the Missouri artisas state line, same county, Butler County

1350
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:31.000
that the Pomper Bluff is in. There's a conservation area

1351
01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:38.119
called Big Kne Conservation Area, and there's little camp sites

1352
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.680
there there. It's nothing like a state park or anything.

1353
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:43.920
It's just little fire rings and a little pulloffs, but

1354
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.239
the woods there are really interesting. You're out of the

1355
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.920
ozarks and into what a geologist would call the Mississippi Embatement.

1356
01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.680
It's most people around here just call it the flat land.

1357
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.760
And it all used to be very swampy woods, but

1358
01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.720
it got turned into farmland. So the Army Corps of

1359
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:05.920
Engineers came in and dredged out drainage canals so that

1360
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:09.479
they could turn this into agricultural land. So there's very

1361
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:16.079
little of this swampy woodland around anymore. And so this

1362
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:20.000
Big Cane conservation area is like a little vestige of

1363
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:23.000
what used to be. And I'd say maybe there's a

1364
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:28.079
square mile of woods in Big Cane, but it connects

1365
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.079
to a larger area of woods that goes down to

1366
01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:34.159
the Black River, which is about a mile away from

1367
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:38.479
the probably the closest point at Big Cane. I didn't

1368
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:40.520
really know if there'd be bigfoot there or not. And

1369
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.640
I just like camping, so I camped and up in

1370
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:46.720
the middle of the night. It's a full moon night.

1371
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:49.039
I don't really sleep that well on full moon nights,

1372
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.479
and I get up in the middle of the night

1373
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:56.640
and once again, here's I've got multiple owls really close

1374
01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:00.800
to me, I'd say seventy five fifty seventy five yards

1375
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:06.039
into the woods, and this time they don't. It's almost

1376
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:08.800
like they got in an argument. Like I walk out,

1377
01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:11.399
I'm still on a road. I'm not going to walk

1378
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:14.199
out into the swampy woods. It's like snakes and all

1379
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.159
kinds of stuff there. But I walk along the road

1380
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:21.399
away from my campsite and get closer to it, and

1381
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:25.199
at some they sounded like owls at first, but the

1382
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.960
closer I got, they started getting like you said, a

1383
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:33.680
four hundred pound owl, and the actual tonality of it

1384
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:38.359
started getting screechy, not like a screech owl, but her

1385
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:41.680
is more monstrous sounding. And it actually sounded like there

1386
01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:46.840
was an owl argument going on between probably three of

1387
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:50.600
these things. So I was just like I stood there

1388
01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:53.199
and just let it happen for a while, and then

1389
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:54.920
I was like, I'm just going back to the truck,

1390
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.479
and I don't know where this is going to go,

1391
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.399
because at this point I'm camping out in the camp

1392
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:03.039
or in a truck. Look. So that was my one

1393
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.399
experience here in this county, but I've camped there two

1394
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.319
or three times, and that's the only time I've had

1395
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:13.920
them anything like that. But I might be going back soon.

1396
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:24.960
But twenty twenty one in July, we're back at Tomsok Mountain. Actually,

1397
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:27.760
I just camped out three nights in a row. I

1398
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:31.079
wasn't planning on camping at Tomsack Mountain, but I was

1399
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:32.920
fairly close by, and I was like, I haven't been

1400
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.119
over there in a while, so I decided to just

1401
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.159
drive up there. And this is in the early morning,

1402
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:42.960
probably seven thirty in the morning, and so I'm driving

1403
01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:47.479
off the access road, which is from the highway you

1404
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.279
come off of. I think that road's about five miles long,

1405
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:57.239
and I'm probably within three four hundred yards of where

1406
01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:00.319
you come to the camp site. And I'm coming around.

1407
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:05.840
It's an S curve. It's gravel at this point, and

1408
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:09.319
so you're making a right hand turn and then it

1409
01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:12.640
will go back the other direction and this S curve.

1410
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:17.880
As I'm coming around, my peripheral vision is seeing the

1411
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.279
other end of the curve where it curves back around.

1412
01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:24.720
And I never looked directly at this, but I'm on

1413
01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:28.479
my peripheral vision, not like far to the side, but

1414
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:33.600
fairly close peripheral vision. I see this big brown area

1415
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.960
right on the side of the road. And what my

1416
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:41.399
mind immediately thought was, I'd been seeing them for the

1417
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:45.359
last three days, these big forestry signs. Yep. They're like

1418
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:50.359
huge and six foot across in brown, dark brown. That's

1419
01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.199
what my mind went to. That sign hadn't been there.

1420
01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:55.159
I was like, Oh, they got a new sign, because

1421
01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:57.680
there'd never been anything there like that. That's just what

1422
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.920
my mind instantly went to. Because I did look directly

1423
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:02.479
at it. I just saw that, and I was like,

1424
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:04.680
I'm having to keep my eye on the curve because

1425
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:08.159
it's constantly turning, and so I don't look directly over there,

1426
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.199
and I'm just thinking, oh, I see what that says

1427
01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:12.760
when we get over there. At some point, I'm not

1428
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.760
looking at it at all. And this is just seconds.

1429
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:22.479
I get up there and there's nothing there, and I

1430
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:24.960
was like, I know, I saw a big brown thing

1431
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:29.199
over here just less than ten seconds ago, and I'm

1432
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.600
thinking it, could this be a bear? Is it running

1433
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.119
right now? I got a small truck, so it's not

1434
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.680
very loud, little Toyota Tacoma. I get out and I

1435
01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:43.680
lessen it's just the normal bug sounds or whatever. But

1436
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.840
I just don't hear any running of anything. I'm expecting

1437
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.760
like some crashing of a bear through the woods, and

1438
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:52.640
I'm just like, this doesn't make any sense because this

1439
01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:56.199
thing was huge. Really for it to be the size

1440
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:58.600
of that sign, that's bigger than bears. It's not really

1441
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:02.439
the right color for a black bear, even though I

1442
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:04.479
think they can be brown at one point in their

1443
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:08.199
development or but this was way bigger than black bears get.

1444
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:11.119
And I was just like, I don't know what the

1445
01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.079
explanation would be to it, but I've had enough experiences

1446
01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:16.840
over here to make me think I might have seen bigfoot.

1447
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:20.720
It's a weird sighting because it's unsure, but that's my

1448
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.079
one siding of it. If that's what it was.

1449
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:29.640
Oh man, that is wild though, and I have I've

1450
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:33.399
heard a few similar that's just that's really interesting.

1451
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:40.560
Yeah, I've heard people talk about how Bigfoot should be

1452
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:44.000
there and you just can't see it both the time

1453
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.159
with the chicken. If that's what that was, that's the

1454
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.239
only thing I can think it was, because I would

1455
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.600
have seen, like I said, looking through that grass, I

1456
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.399
could have been in. I could have seen my cat,

1457
01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:58.760
but I know there's something big there. There's just nothing

1458
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:02.199
to see and then this thing. I see it at

1459
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:04.520
one point and then seconds later there's nothing. I can't

1460
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:11.279
hear anything moving anywhere. And Yeah, I like listening to

1461
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:16.479
these shows because people say some stuff that, like people

1462
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.920
that talk about, oh, this thing disappeared. I believe that

1463
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:23.399
because I've had experiences. That's the only explanation I can

1464
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.720
come up with on several issues. But the infrasound and

1465
01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:28.800
the disappearing.

1466
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:33.000
When you were in that area where you saw something

1467
01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:37.319
and then it wasn't there, did you feel weird in

1468
01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:39.960
any way or did you have anything going on like that?

1469
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:45.319
No? Not, no, not at all. Didn't feel weird. It's

1470
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.039
just that I felt weird that because just mentally, because

1471
01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:51.119
it was like, hey, I know something was just here

1472
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:54.680
and now it's not here. That's just nothing paranormal per se.

1473
01:29:55.279 --> 01:30:00.279
But it's weird to be confused like that. But I

1474
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.520
went on up to the campground and drove through it.

1475
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:04.640
I almost had the urge to get out and tell

1476
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:07.279
campers that there might be a bear or something in

1477
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:10.760
the area, but there wasn't really many people up or

1478
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:13.960
anything like. I just felt that urge, just like, hey,

1479
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.640
there's something big I saw down the road. Here, you

1480
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:18.880
might keep a heads up. I didn't want to. I

1481
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:21.640
didn't want to wake anybody up to do that. You

1482
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:28.159
never know on the campers. But anyway, my last thing

1483
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:35.159
here happened last June. And this happened at Quiver River

1484
01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:39.039
State Park, which is the only one that's not in

1485
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:39.800
southern Missouri.

1486
01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:43.600
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1487
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.279
Rivers actually north of the Missouri River. It's close to

1488
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:07.319
a town called Troy, Missouri, which is i'd say it's

1489
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:13.159
about forty to fifty miles to the northwest of Saint Louis.

1490
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.000
And basically what I'd done, I'd gone up to see

1491
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:21.520
my sister in Davenport, Iowa, and so I go right

1492
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:26.319
through Troy, Missouri and going up there. And I'd went

1493
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.960
up there for a few days. And this is integral

1494
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:31.560
to the story. There was a new bakery that she

1495
01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:35.199
was excited about there in town, and so she was like,

1496
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:37.720
we both have to eat gluten free because we have

1497
01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:40.600
the food oology with the gluten and when you find

1498
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.159
a place that cooks that stuff pretty close to tasty,

1499
01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:47.039
you go there. They made really good, she said, they

1500
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:50.399
made really good the breads. So I wanted a garlic

1501
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:54.239
cheese bread. And the day I was going back, I

1502
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:58.079
was going to leave about nun And usually I leave

1503
01:31:58.119 --> 01:31:59.560
early if I want to get all the way home.

1504
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:03.119
It's about eight hour drive. But I was leaving about

1505
01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.640
noon because I wanted to stop off and camp there

1506
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.319
at the Quiver River State Park. And they didn't open

1507
01:32:09.439 --> 01:32:12.920
till eleven, and so they we got it worked out

1508
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:17.760
where they had special bake that garlic cheese bread for me. Well,

1509
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:19.600
we got there and had just come out of the oven.

1510
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:21.960
Usually they put it in plastic. They put it in

1511
01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:25.119
a box instead because it was too hot to put

1512
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:28.880
in plastic. This is the intervals to the story. I

1513
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.399
just kept it in a box and I started home,

1514
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:38.720
and so I drove. Yeah, I probably got the Quiver

1515
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.800
River State Park about five thirty or so, so i've

1516
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:44.199
got It's June, so I got a couple hours of daylight.

1517
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:49.359
And so I cooked some brons, I got chips, just

1518
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:53.640
a basic dinner or whatever, and I've got that, I've

1519
01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:57.920
got some other food. I never really leave anything out.

1520
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:06.319
I never really leave anything out. And yeah, something just

1521
01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:10.359
rocked my truck. I never leave anything out. Yeah, I

1522
01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:14.680
might be somebody messing with me. Wow. Okay, oh, it's

1523
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:20.000
my cat jumped up on it. Yeah, as my cat anyway,

1524
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:23.119
So that garlic, I got some other food and that

1525
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:27.479
garlic cheese bread in the floorboard on the passenger side

1526
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.520
of my truck. And so I'm going to sleep in

1527
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:32.000
the bank I got. I'll keep my cooler back there

1528
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:35.840
with me. So I got everything tucked up, just firewood,

1529
01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:39.399
and my lantern is alts out. And then I got

1530
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:42.720
like a Walmart bag I'm using add as a trash bag.

1531
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.239
And all I've got's like aluminum cans in it. And

1532
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:49.239
I hung it on a really light branch so that

1533
01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:52.359
a raccoon or anything can't go out on it. And

1534
01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:54.399
I hang it high. It's like I'm six foot tall.

1535
01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:56.800
It's like over my head. I pulled the branch down

1536
01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:01.159
and tied it to it. So I get back, I

1537
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:05.479
go to sleep. I wake up. I start hearing owls

1538
01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:10.600
about one thirty in the morning. I checked my watch.

1539
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.000
I'm here in owls, but they're far off. The whole

1540
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:17.640
reason I wanted to camp here is there's a lot

1541
01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.239
of bigfoot lower around this place. Okay, probably seven eight

1542
01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:25.680
sightings or something like that on BFRO. I've watched yeah,

1543
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.960
I've watched the I picked my campsite. I'm down close

1544
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.239
to people, but I'm there's quite a bit of They're

1545
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.359
pretty good for a state park and like keeping like

1546
01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:38.960
brushing between the campsites so you get a little privacy.

1547
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:43.199
So I'm like within probably one hundred yards or so,

1548
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:46.920
maybe just eighty yards or so of probably three other

1549
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.960
camp sites that are And then there's a guy in

1550
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.840
a car kind of caddy corner across the road from me.

1551
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:58.479
He's not very far, he's probably fifty yards. So I

1552
01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.880
go and I go to sleep, wake up about one thirty.

1553
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:07.680
I'm hearing owls, and I'm like, could this be you know?

1554
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:11.039
And so i hear them moving around and I'm like,

1555
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.319
I was like, I'm not sure if owls move around

1556
01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:16.760
that much. And it's more than one and so I'm

1557
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:20.479
thinking maybe something's going to happen. So I'm cozing in

1558
01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:24.319
and out probably about two o'clock. That goes on for

1559
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:30.239
a while, probably about two o'clock. Right behind my campsite, crunch,

1560
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:36.520
just a bunch of wood just getting twisted, just crunched apart,

1561
01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:40.760
like real loud, and I'm like, oh boy, here we go.

1562
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:46.720
And I'm thinking Wow, that's brazen. This close to several people.

1563
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:50.399
There's about a minute goes by, and then all of

1564
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:57.560
a sudden, just very intense leaf rustling, like right next

1565
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:02.159
to my truck. I just hear this sh and it

1566
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:06.760
just goes on for probably twenty seconds. And that had

1567
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.680
me confused because they raked up the campgrounds. I'm like,

1568
01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:12.359
there's not any dry leaves out there in the campground,

1569
01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:14.039
and this is like right next to my truck in

1570
01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.640
the campsite. Right, of course there's dry leaves out in

1571
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:21.000
the woods. But and I didn't figure that one out

1572
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:23.880
to the next day. There was trees right there. It

1573
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.159
was shaking a tree right there next to my truck.

1574
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:31.439
And I realized right at that moment that it's testing

1575
01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:33.520
me to see if I'm going to wake up, or

1576
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:35.039
if I do wake up, if I'm going to come

1577
01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:38.479
out and do anything. I realized back over all the

1578
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.239
reason my kent got kicked back on Tomsauck Mountain, why

1579
01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.239
this thing's doing that. They're testing you to see if

1580
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:48.800
you're going to come out shooting, or if you're going

1581
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.000
to wake up or whatever. They're they're testing it to

1582
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:52.800
see if they can go ahead and come in and

1583
01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:57.640
do something. And I woke up, but I just stayed quiet.

1584
01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:02.279
That's what I do every time this happens, and nothing's

1585
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:07.560
ever happened to me. But at that point, it wasn't immediate.

1586
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:13.319
But I started hearing little things. I heard my cans

1587
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:15.960
get jingled a little bit in that bag. I hung up,

1588
01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:24.079
and I think it came about fourth I'm dozen back

1589
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:27.039
off even like I'm relaxed. I think maybe they've moved on.

1590
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:29.840
Dozen back off, and then I'll hear a little thumping else.

1591
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.119
I was like, they're still here, but I'm not like

1592
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:36.399
really stressing it there. I think what makes me comfortable

1593
01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:39.239
is the fact that other people around I know that

1594
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:42.600
they're not going to get crazy. They're being real cautious,

1595
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.680
even though they were loud with what they did. And anyway,

1596
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:51.800
about four point thirty, I turn over like I was

1597
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.159
getting sore resting on one side. I turned over and

1598
01:37:55.199 --> 01:38:04.119
it shakes the truck a little bit, and I hear it. Actually,

1599
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:06.119
I think I made that louder as it went. It

1600
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:10.960
was louder. Basically, it was five running steps away. It

1601
01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:18.560
was like like that into the woods, which I've read

1602
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:21.720
stories about, never heard. Got to hear that but that

1603
01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:24.720
would that just impressed me. I was like, how heavy

1604
01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:28.000
do you have to be to make that sound? That

1605
01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:30.399
was just like it sounded like an elephant running off

1606
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.039
or something, you know. I was like, there's no way

1607
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:36.680
I could get out and try to make anything close

1608
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:41.479
to that. When daylight came, I got out, packed up

1609
01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:45.840
and left, looked around, didn't That's when I figured out

1610
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:47.680
that he was shaking the tree because there wasn't any

1611
01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:51.840
leaves on the ground or anything right there. Packed up, left,

1612
01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:56.399
But in thinking about it, what happened was I got home,

1613
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.800
I ended up going down the gravel road, and then

1614
01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:07.159
on that passenger side door, I noticed some dust and

1615
01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:13.720
I got to looking and it was fingerprints. Dust had

1616
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:17.039
like from going down the gravel road had landed and

1617
01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:21.359
attached to fingerprints on my side door there, and I

1618
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:25.800
realized what they were doing. They had laid down next

1619
01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.720
to my truck and the fingerprints were right at the

1620
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:32.399
crack where the front of the door is. They were

1621
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:36.960
smelling that garlic bread in the floorboard of my truck,

1622
01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:39.920
and they were leaving hand They left like a couple

1623
01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:42.640
of handprints and some fingerprints right there on that door,

1624
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:46.279
and I think that was going on when I turned

1625
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:48.720
over and scared it and it ran off. Oh wow,

1626
01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:53.399
So that's all I've got till I go camping next time.

1627
01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:58.119
You weren't kidding forty years some wild stuff tracys. Your cousins.

1628
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:01.800
Do they still own that area?

1629
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:03.239
They do? Yes? Wow?

1630
01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:05.640
Is stuff still going on over there or do you

1631
01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:06.039
not know?

1632
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:09.359
I don't go over there a lot. What ended up

1633
01:40:09.399 --> 01:40:12.239
happening is the two cousins got in a feud real

1634
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.159
but and that kind of ruined the fun times over there.

1635
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:21.600
So there's not as much nearly as much hunting activity

1636
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:25.720
human wise going on over there too. Yeah, that's why

1637
01:40:25.720 --> 01:40:28.079
I haven't had anything reason I still go over there.

1638
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:30.680
But I think it was why it was so wild

1639
01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:34.479
in the beginning was there was so many people that

1640
01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.760
there'd be twenty people on that three hundred and sixty acres.

1641
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.279
Something will happen then, but now maybe eight in a

1642
01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:46.000
good year. And then you've got people that like if

1643
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:48.720
they have something happen, they write it off or just

1644
01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:50.920
a the raccoon or something exactly.

1645
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:53.159
You don't have the right type of people over there

1646
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:54.840
to realize what's going on.

1647
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.159
What they're just not going to believe something like that exactly.

1648
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.079
Wow, Tracy, this interview has given me so many new

1649
01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:08.319
locations to be aware of. It's incredible. Yeah, most of

1650
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:11.760
these places I'd never heard of before, and that's extremely helpful.

1651
01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:13.720
I know there's a ton of stuff going on with

1652
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:18.720
southern Missouri, but it's great to know some areas to

1653
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:22.720
look into for maybe a future interviews and stuff.

1654
01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:26.880
Howell County, Noblet Lake, I've been there once. You're out

1655
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:32.159
middle of nowhere, there's it's part of the Mark Yeah,

1656
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:35.239
it's part of the Mark Twain. It's called that section

1657
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:39.840
of Mark Twain's called the Devil's Backbone Wilderness. Yeah.

1658
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:46.119
Wow, okay, very interesting. So yeah, that county definitely has

1659
01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:48.079
stuff going on for sure.

1660
01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:52.960
Yeah, and it's probably mainly because of the Noblet Lake

1661
01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:55.880
is a pretty good sized body water, and then you

1662
01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:59.720
got the eleven Point. But like I said, it befuzzled

1663
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:03.159
me because there's not a lot of times where it's

1664
01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:07.039
like running there. It goes underground. You need a rainfall

1665
01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.720
for it to really run on the surface. So a

1666
01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:11.439
lot of times when you go down there, it's just

1667
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:16.079
gravelly creek bed some pretty good sized rocks, but not

1668
01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:19.800
much water. A lot, especially in the summer. That kind

1669
01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:22.000
of I was thinking, would you have Bigfoot here like

1670
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.720
year round if it's like dry part of the time

1671
01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:27.279
or whatever, But they make it work somehow.

1672
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.479
Crazy Tracy, thank you so much for chatting with me

1673
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.199
and for sharing everything you experienced over the years. It's

1674
01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:37.560
been incredible, And keep me in mind if stuff does

1675
01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:40.960
continue to happen to different places you're going. I would

1676
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:42.039
love to hear about.

1677
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.119
It, no problem. Yeah, I'll let you know if I

1678
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:48.119
hear anything else or see anything else.

1679
01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:52.479
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1683
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1687
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1688
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1689
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