9 Years of Horrifying Bigfoot Encounters in Oregon

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your time so far, so let's
get on with the show, all right,

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Big Society. We've got the privilege
of talking to Tea tonight and she

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contacted me from the great state of
Oregon about some things that they've experienced over

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a nine year period. How's it
going tonight, Taya, It's going very

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good. Basic weather, definitely perfect
weather. It's starting to get a little

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bit cooler out here in Iowa,
and I'm sure it's beautiful out there in

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Oregon as well. But you know, you sent me a little bit about

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what happened. It's just it sounds
like a fascinating story, and you even

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were able to talk with you know, Cliff Barrickman about it, and it's

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just it's I can't wait to hear
the whole story. So I'm just so

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glad that you're on the phone with
me tonight. Well, thank you very

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much for having me, for inviting
me. I really appreciate that, and

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it's very good to be able to
bring it to the forefront. I listened

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to your podcast about being close in
two neighborhoods and such, and so we

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were, we were out and we
didn't have neighbors. We weren't right in

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a town or having them bopped around
like that, but we were we were

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around neighbors, they were far off, distant farms and such. And when

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we went there, we went there
because we had decided we wanted to do

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something different. People, you know, they go to Yellowstone Park and their

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cap hosts at Yellowstone all the different
ways in, and we thought that might

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be a good adventure since we had
a piece in our view we could be

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in. And we just fell into
this kind of watch situation where we were

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watching equipment for logging and and various
different things going in and you know,

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on in this property, which also
included that they would have occasional hikers come

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through there and so forth. So
they wanted everything watched. And it was

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a really good feel for us because
we weren't we weren't really we didn't feel

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like we were really working. We
were all able to keep actually keep jobs

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outside of there that we were able
to be up there and the times and

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the necessary times and overnight when they
really needed us to keep an eye on

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things. So it felt pretty good. And you know, it was like

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you know, parents, you know, we were we were never actually,

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I do need to digress a little
bit. We never did ever reveal that

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we ever had those experience there because
of the various different people that would come

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in, and we did not want
anybody to be fearful of anything, because

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number one, it's a forest and
it has everything in it, you know,

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from bobcat bear, you know,
coyote. There was a small bear.

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It was a tiny bear, but
we had owls and everything in there

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that you would expect. So we
tried to help folks that did come in

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there under to understand that it was
actually a force. It needed to be

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regarded as such so that there wouldn't
be any surprises from any of the wild

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animals. And we tried to,
you know, we were there, they'd

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ask questions, but we'd you know, always be distracted from our job with

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Geo cash and Pokemon folks and and
you know, they'd dropped by, you

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know, if you got a clue, we know one's up here and and

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all that. And of course,
I mean we didn't because we didn't do

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that. But our adventures started in
September of oh nine. We moved.

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We moved into the little RV site
thing that they had set up for us.

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And you know, after living in
a park for a while, a

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regular RV park, I just felt
totally wonderful there because it was just a

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breath of fresh air and you know, having a variety of evergreens and a

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blend of deciduous It was just it
was a glory Is forest, a great

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place to be dece and quiet,
no cars. So you know, here

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we are, we're we move in. We're just left on our own to

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explore and to find our way through
the forest on our own. They just

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kind of were so happy to have
us. They just go, okay,

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here it is you know, have
fun basically, and so we we started

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to explore, and you know,
we didn't make our way through the forest

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right away. We went out and
we watched the bluff. It was beautiful

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at the southwest few. It was
just totally glorious with the sunset colors and

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everything. So we listened to all
the woodward sounds and watch, you know,

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the sun sink into the west and
sizzle its way out. But it

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wasn't dark. It was still light. So I said to my husband and

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I said, hey, I said, we're here, so why don't we

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go exploring, you know, and
he side, well, it's almost dark.

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He wasn't so sure about that.
We had a side by side that

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was left there for us to use, and I'd never driven a side by

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side. I'd driven to farm things
and a four wheeler and things like that.

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You know, had to be adventurous. So we decided to take our

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first trip to the forest, not
realizing that it was dusk up there,

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or not quite dusk. But when
you get into the forest, it's like

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a lot darker. So we're going
sneaking down this kind of you know,

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logging road, then down this hill
and it's getting dark, and we had

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the lights on, but I thought, oh jeezies, aren't these aren't bright

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enough? So I reached down and
and went to put the brights on while

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my husband was driving, and the
lights way out. So that was our

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first little adventure in the forest.
Thank god. I had my maglight flashlight,

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and I got it on the big
spot a spotlight part, and I

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put it at the ditch and I
said, okay, how you followed the

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bouncing ball and I bounced it up
through the ditch line and we got back

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up around the corner and up there
where it was safe and in our house.

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That you know, that was our
first tour of the of the forest

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and the dark. Our next tour
was day daylight, and you know,

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we went we went down the road
and explored all the different parts of the

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area and you know, look and
over everything that we needed to look over.

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And it was just, you know, a wonderful, beautiful place to

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be after a rain. It smelled
like it smelled like Christmas trees. It

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was so clean and beautiful in there. And on the weekends, you know,

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we'd go out and just sit and
have our coffee on this deck that

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we kind of threw together really quick
right after we moved there, and we

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can stit in to be kind of
a cadio, so that and we would

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cook out there every night, and
within within a few days we experienced odd

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noises, whistles, and a lot
of coyote calls and all different from all

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different directions around the hill. And
it was most nights, and you know,

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fall was coming fast, and you
know, as the coyotes seemed to

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quit calling and being around, the
awls came out and it became more frequent.

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Given kind of a haunted feeling to
the forest, but I guess it

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seemed to be meeting seasy season that
was upon us. And but it just

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seemed like it was, you know, getting busier and busier with the animals

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outside. We would just sit out
there and cook outdoors always. We had

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a It was an undeveloped part of
the forest. It was really pretty ragged

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down there. It hadn't really had
any road built into it. Anything done

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down there had to be pretty much
done on foot or with some tort type

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of heavy equipment, and it was
pretty heavily forested down there, and we

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just you know, sit there and
be cooking our meal and all of a

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suddenly we got this just god awful
over and it was my thought to be

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a dead deer, because you know, cougar's going through there. They're probably

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a cougar kill that, you know. My husband was very sensitive to odor,

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and he complained that the smell was
like he and still today he says

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it was the most unclean human running
flush, the smell that he ever smelled.

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And and that for me, since
it was a forest and had all

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the animals and birds, and a
person would expect that perhaps there would be

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a predator in there and leave bones
behind. That Unfortunately, that odor made

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it a little unsettling because you know, our first days there we seemed to

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notice that there were very few deer
living there, so we didn't know,

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you know, we had no idea
what was what was going on that way.

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But a few days after moving in, and while on our our daylight

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side by side ride through miles of
roads and trails, we came upon a

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rack of fresh killed deer bones in
the road that it looked like it been

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boned out by by a hunter,
like a hunter's bounty. But one thing

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was wrong. It just wasn't how
it laid. There wasn't right, It

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could have been dragged by a coyote
because it found it. That it was.

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It was boned out but not and
it wasn't a complete carcass. It

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was boned out, the flesh had
been taken off, but not by sharp

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teeth, and there were no knife
marks in it. It seemed like the

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head had been just tore off of
it. And of course there weren't any

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front legs there because they're only held
on by soft tissue and skin anyway.

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So that was kind of earth shaking
for us, and we were totally thinking

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that somebody had come in there and
and pushed a deer and then threw the

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bones out up there. But you
know, with after that happened, each

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day led to its its own strange
happenings, with one strange thing after another,

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and much to our surprise, we
found out that we had an eccentric

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neighbor who was sneaking in at night
and building a fire in the forest and

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party in and in the moon light
and passing ear cans around in the forest.

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And they how they got in was
they skinnied by a building that was

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therefore kicking aside by in so both
like that, and they get past that

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And they had this little truck.
It was like ham spray painted camouflage,

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and they'd go in and swipe firewood
and things like that as well,

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or be picking wildflowers at night with
a flashlight. It's just the oddest thing.

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So with all that happening and a
horse getting away and up coming down

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and checking that out and wondering if
we were hiding it bis our little things

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like that, we when Christmas came
and we started hearing noises down over the

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hill into the forest in the law
Again area, we were just for sure

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thinking that this person, this neighbor
was down there on Christmas Day. So

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we're dressed up ready for Christmas dinner. We hear all this noise. I

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think, will it's Christmas? We
better get the side by and go out

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and look. So we go down
there. It's eight miles of roads and

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trails all around down and there to
check out. And we got down there

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and the noise wasn't where we heard
it, but it was above us.

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So we go around where that was
and nobody was there, and it kept

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doing that and playing with us.
We believed it was her, that we

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couldn't hear a vehicle, we believed
it was this neighbor, and so we

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decided to instead of going the road
the way we'd done and like we were

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following, we started cutting across and
thinking, okay, we'll running into him,

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we'll chase him out, it'll be
done and we could go. And

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we were down there an hour and
a half and we never saw one person

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down there, but we heard all
the noise. We heard people talking,

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and we heard laughing, we heard
everything. So I'll dressed up ready to

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go to dinner. Decided the heck
with this, we'd just go on up

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and get in the car and locked
the gate on our way out, and

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if they were in there and they
had a vehicle in there, they'd be

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locked in. So it was after
dark when we got home and we went

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with our headlights to check it out, and there wasn't anybody up there.

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It was just so mystifying and so
weird and creepy, knowing that we were

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hearing things, people laughing and this
and that, and there was only one

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way in and one way out and
we had locked that way. So that

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was the beginning of a lot of
very weird things happening, But the weirdest

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thing was the nice that we heard
far off howling. And I always referred

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to it as the house of the
Baskerville because it was this god awful,

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hair raising, screaming, weird stuff. But still we just thought, you

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know, far off neighbor dogs that
got out there chasing around, they're barking

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at whatever and howling at whatever that
we never saw. And it didn't go

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on like every night, like a
dog in a neighborhood would see something and

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start barking or seeing nothing in bark
Anyway, it happened occasionally, and when

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it did, it was just the
screamy, awful, horrible thing. And

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I would say to my husband,
well, we live in a murder mountain

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or something, because it was just
this nervous thing about that happening out there.

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So we got so disturbed by all
of this weirdness and this neighbor driving

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in and hiding out and swiping a
wood and stuff that we bought a little

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night vision camera and didn't tell anybody. We didn't tell anybody about it,

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so we you know, we were
blaming the neighbor for all this stuff.

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We thought that we shouldn't just blame
her, and we figured that some of

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the screaming down there that we thought
was kids or a woman was probably a

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cougar screaming or a vix and the
female fox screaming. Because we weren't ever

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thinking We never once ever thought big
foot. We we just hadn't been following

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it. We you know, years
ago I heard about it, but we

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weren't following it. We weren't watching
TV, were too busy working. And

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it was about that time that we
did run into finding big Foot people the

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TV show, but we only got
to kind of like look at it once

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in a while, and we still
didn't cop the clue to this possibility of

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it being being bigfoot. So we
kept that camera at the front of the

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house and wouldn't watch. And the
first thing that happened was a neighbor dog

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running down and put a sideball right
up against the camera because it was on

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a tripod about two and a half
feet off the ground, and we could

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see that we had a thirty two
inch TV with hall on there. And

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the next thing that we saw on
there was a cougar's eye, and so

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we knew that we had a prowler, and that it was a cougar sniffing

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things out that you know, the
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So we never, like I said, we never put it up to be

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in big Foot at all. But
there was a lot to do there with

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the cleanup of the forest and maintaining
the areas and taking care of you know,

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a trash and they had a pit
toilet that they had put in there,

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and other there was other facilities there
to be used to and we would

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take care of the roads and the
ditches and all the touchups. And one

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night while we were sitting up at
our place, we just got in the

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house from eating out on our deck, and we heard the pit toilet door

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just opening and slamming shut, and
the opening and slamming shut and opening and

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slamming shut. So husband jumped in
the side by side went down to check

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it out. There was nothing there, nothing, nothing around. He drove

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the whole area, nobody, nothing
was there. So that was you know,

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beginning to make us one there about
you know, having maybe homeless people

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coming in there, sneaking by the
fences or whatever, and maybe they were

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down there doing whatever, but it
just it just never made any sense to

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us at all. The noises there
were children laughing. We never found any

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children in the night. We heard
an eagle cry, and it's like it

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was flying over and doing its eagle
call. There's no eagle been calling in

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the middle of the night that I
ever ever heard. But you know,

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and doing all of our chores and
everything, we just started watching things,

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and we started watching tracks in the
snow and the first note game, and

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sure enough we were down there that
pit toilet area and we found found by

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peetle tracks or what looked by peetle
in the snow. So we go,

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huh, maybe maybe there's something going
on here, suppose we have a big

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foot. But then I got the
photos off of my phone and blew them

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up on the computer, and you
could easily see it was a bear track

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because one track, one foot went
into the other foot, making it look

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like a large footprint, one large
footprint. So we just kind of warned

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the loggers and the crew to kind
of keep thanks food and things like that,

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you know, any packaging, and
be sure to throw it away and

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not drawn. And it was a
small dare. It was a very very

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small little female there and she just
kind of cruised through, and it seemed

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that she just cruised on and we
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We never we saw her one time
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when spring rolled around, it seemed
to bring interlopers. We caught, you

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know, walking out and you know, out of the place early in the

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morning hours, like four thirty in
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us a warm spring. Well,
he started finding these huts and they just

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looked like those folks that made some
kind of survivor a survival type of a

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place to sleep in and you know, shoved the bench of leaves in it.

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And they kind of why we call
them like some bival huts is because

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they kind of looked like a fish's
backbone with the ribs touching the ground and

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and it was not like rib bones. And there would be one large,

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thicker branch that would be up against
the tree trunk and the tip of it

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would be held together by you know, on the ground. It would be

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kind of sticking kind of in the
ground a little bit and held down,

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and then the smaller tree branches were
propped up against it all along the way

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on each side. So it just
kind of looked like fish bone, a

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fish bone type thing, and they
had stuffed a lot of leaves in it,

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stuffed full of dried leaves, and
you can tell that someone had been

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laying in it. So we just
assumed that some of these folks were sneaking

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in and coming up there, and
we were, you know, finding those

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well, we took them all down
because they were just kind of getting in

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the way of different things that were
being done on the property. And we

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no longer got him down and gone, and we started finding them again,

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and they were kind of scattered all
throughout the forest, and one was one

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was very odd. It actually had
a black plastic bag stuck up in it

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and it didn't look I can't say
that it really looked human made. And

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others were of like new fern bowels
and new spring shoots and things like That

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night and smashed down, and it
wasn't long after that in the spring kept

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just kept us really busy, and
we could hear sounds of children playing and

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people talking and owls calling, and
sounds of eagles and everything, and there

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was there was no one in there. They couldn't be in there because they

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would have had to get past us. So I would say out of four

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they stand of the week. In
the week we were smelling dead deer and

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dirty stinky body odor and wet moss
kind of smell, and this and that,

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and it was we just kind of
blow it off. It sounds weird

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for us to blow it off that
it was people were the concern, you

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know, for us, people were
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that's what we still thought it was, because we hadn't convinced ourselves that we

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could be having any other kind of
visitor except humans that would come in and

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be manson around curious. I mean, we were down on the side by

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one day in the sun and we
went to and by and a man was

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laying on a rock and the sun. But he's armed in the air and

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waved at us and just acted like
he belonged there. So we went up

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and had a visit with him,
and he really didn't have too much to

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say, and we said suggest that
he should probably be away from the forest.

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Before dark came, he was gone
and we never thought anything more about him

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until we found a homeless camp down
through past some of the locked property,

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and by then it seemed as though
he had vacated it. So we just

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never thought about about that again.
We continued doing our thing, cooking outside,

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smelling the smells. And it was
a Saturday when my husband went.

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He just headed out to check the
developed part of the forest yellow r RV.

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And he was gone for hours,
and I had become kind of nervous,

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totally uneven, ground overgrown, very
isolated, and I would not have

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been able to hear him calling out
to me or he even for him to

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get me on the telephone that and
how soon he came back and come bursting

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through the door, just breathless and
excited and kind of freaking out all at

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one time. And he had a
photo. He had photos of a foot

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of a footprint in the mud from
a pond. And it was a pond

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we had no idea was there.
We had never explored that. That wasn't

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part of what anybody said that we
were assigned to do. So we we

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just we just didn't. We just
kept our nose to the grindstone and did

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what we were told to do.
So he had this footprint in the mud,

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but he was so excited that he
didn't think to put anything beside it

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for measurement, and we kept that
footprint. We looked at that footprint for

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the longest time and didn't know quite
what to do with it. But the

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rest of this story is that he
found a trail that went to a pond.

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We didn't know that pond was there. And how he saw it was

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all of these saplings were broken down, just like someone had gone through,

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like like a tornado, making the
swaths through these these young saplings, and

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they were all broke, like six
foot off and different heights like that,

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but all way up high. And
he couldn't figure out what the foresters had

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done to get it that way.
But of course, until he saw the

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footprint, he assumed that the foresters
did it. And nobody ever said anything

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about it. We never talked to
anybody about it. And on his way

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back, he said that he saw
this gave style opening and some scrub brush,

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and she decided to explore it a
little bit, and he said,

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inside it there was like a teepee
structure. He said it was big enough

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that it would have taken men to
build it. He said, there was

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no way any kids or any young
people like we had seen going in there,

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could have ever built built it,
and he said the opening of the

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structure and the ground under it was
frequently showed, it been frequently used.

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So, you know, just behind
our house was a partially maintained great Game

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trail, and although we didn't recommend
people use it, we note that we

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heard occasional human sounding feet going by
it, like foot footsteps going by it,

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but we could never find anything,
so we'd just assumed that maybe it

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was you know, a deer or
something like that going through. But you

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know, we didn't know what to
do with all this exciting information that he

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found. And then we started watching
Finding Bigfoot and we saw Cliff on there.

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We saw all of them, of
course, but Cliff was the one

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that appealed to us. So we
decided that perhaps we should try to get

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ahold of him. So we called
what we saw on at the tail end

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of the show and how they ran
all of the the people that have been

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in it or they've been and so
forth. We saw that there was a

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place that you could get ahold of
finding Bigfoot producers or something like that,

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so we called and they were like, yeah, yeah, we want to

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we want to hear from you and
everything, and we talked to them that

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we find finally realized that we weren't
really talking to finding bigfoot people. We

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were talking to somebody else that had
a radio station and radio broadcast. And

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actually it didn't really help us find
out anything except hearing other people talk about

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it the subject, and I think
it made us more nervous about everything.

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We had, you know, times
when it was perfectly normal, and then

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other times it sounded like a bull
crashing through the woods. We had trees

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being pushed over when there was no
wind. They were falling. Whether they

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were pushed or not, I can't
say. I shouldn't say pushed, but

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they were. They were crashing around
us. And we would find trees across

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the road. We would find saplings
across the road. We would have to

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move them and and so forth to
clean up behind behind whatever was going on.

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And I would, you know,
I love photography. I would go

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down, down and around into the
forest and take my dog with me.

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I never knew who might be down
there. It just pays not to go

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alone. So I'd get the side
buy out, we go down there and

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I'd shoot a lot of pictures.
There was just tons of things to see

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and take pictures of. But yet
my dog, My dog would get so

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nervous and she would start this low
growl if you're looking behind us and nothing

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was over there. She would get
so nervous some days that she'd start pulling

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and coat because she wanted to leave. So I just give in and and

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get out of there and take her
back. But one afternoon I went down

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into this really nice, beautiful place
where there were lady slippers and different really

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kind of exotic. It was a
very magical place. There was crick wet

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by it that kind of had a
deep gorge. There was a nice sound.

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It was just a beautiful place until
it wasn't. That day, it

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just wasn't pretty anymore. And all
of the hair on the back of my

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neck, everywhere on me just stood
up. The smell was there, and

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the feel that I got, the
deep feeling that I got inside of me,

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was just it was just so paralyzing
in such a weird way that I

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could hardly get the side by and
reverse and get it turned around to get

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out of there and back onto the
main road. And after that day,

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I could never go past a certain
point in that forest because it seemed like

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there was some type of mental thing
that was stopping me. And my husband

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could go through their fine, but
it seemed like I was stopped from going

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through there. And I always think
back on it being because of my camera,

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because during this time of the bear
being in there, the the owner

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of the whole property decided to put
a game camera in there, and I

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just wondered, in my own heart
of hearts, what we're big foot?

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Let's say that's what it was,
is a big foot saw the infrared in

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my camera and just linked it to
the infrared ie on the game camera.

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That's the only thing I can think
of for me to have done a misjuice

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to be like stopped like a wall
was right there and I couldn't go past

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it, but I didn't dare go
past it, and I felt the fright

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of it all. And that's say
I'm so weird to have to say this

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when I've never been afraid in the
forest ever. I lived in the forest

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my whole entire life in the wilderness, and I was never afraid. But

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this I was afraid of. So
given that, I just respected it and

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went on about my business without going
through that part of the forest. And

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it was that shortly after that that
we were in bed and we had this

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god awful screaming and howling in the
undeveloped part of the forest right below our

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house. And this this yale scream
was so incredible that you could feel the

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reverberation off of it, like like
hitting like on the windows, is what

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it. It's hard, so hard
to explain because it's like you feel it,

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but it's not like hitting me at
it. But it's like the air

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was kind of pushing through our open
bedroom window and it felt like it was

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like standing right out outside of there, and it it was so gigantic.

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We've heard a lot of now that
we're now watching about Bigfoot, we've heard

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several howls that sound exactly like that. And at first we're like, you

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know, what the heck is that? And then it it didn't happen again.

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It stopped and it was quiet.
There wasn't anything making any noises out

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there. And about two minutes later
I heard answer and it was the same

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exact how and it was like sounded
through four canyons away, but it was

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loud enough that you could plainly hear
that. It was exactly the same thing

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like somebody else had answered the one
that had just yelled outside of our house.

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So after that we kind of just
hid our thing. We didn't try

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to make big issue out of it, we didn't try to go hunting for

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it. We just were minding our
own business. We had been in the

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first days of being there. We
had some apples and things that had kind

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of gone a little bit hinky,
and we knew deer were there, so

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we set the apples out there and
let the deer have them, and it

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only happened down again. We weren't
trying to habituate anybody or anything. We

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were just not I mean, the
chipmunks or the slugs or whoever wanted it

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could have it. And then we
started later on, after the howling and

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things had happened, I started finding
things on my porch. There was a

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shart of it wasn't china, it
was stoneware with this very faint, old

411
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:53.719
fashioned blue print on it. And
there was a penny, and there were

412
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.840
a couple of rocks and odd things, just odd things. And we'll be

413
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:07.800
back with more big Foot Society after
these words from our sponsors. And the

414
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:14.239
only reason I think that they had
their hands on that type of thing is

415
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:20.400
because years ago there had been a
house on that property and it had gotten

416
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:27.559
all pushed in and kind of over
into that undeveloped area. And honestly,

417
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.119
we never went down there. The
only thing I could assume is that those

418
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:39.559
things were laying on the ground right
there, and perhaps us, not knowing

419
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:46.599
what we were doing, we were
actually trading drink it for drinket or something

420
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:53.760
with the big Foot, and I
just kept all my husband, I said,

421
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.800
oh, look at this, carries
are coming out of our garden and

422
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:05.480
leaving us things on our porch because
we just weren't we weren't willing to actually

423
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.760
accept that any of this could be
big foot. We're just like, okay,

424
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.920
you know, something really screamed,
really really loud, like siren,

425
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:22.360
and we're just going to keep on
keeping on and not worry about it until

426
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:30.199
we have to. Well, in
two thousand and seventeen is when we knew

427
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:37.280
we had to. And actually the
scream was in two seventeen two, about

428
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:45.719
May somewhere there, and in June, middle of June, we had been

429
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.760
away and we were coming home.
It was about eleven thirty at night,

430
00:46:51.760 --> 00:47:02.599
and it was just clear as could
be quiet, and we saw this weird

431
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:09.320
weirdness almost to our house. It
was probably five hundred yards as the crow

432
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:21.119
flies from our house, and all
we could ever express was this, this

433
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:29.800
watery, this just weird, blurry, watery type of movement. And we

434
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.360
kept saying, it looked like the
predator. Did you ever see the predator?

435
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.360
And the only people we told at
that time were our very best friends,

436
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.719
and we were scared they wouldn't believe
us. And we said, look,

437
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.599
we saw this statement looked like the
predator when it went through the forest,

438
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:54.440
and it did until it came out
in the headlights. And before it

439
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:59.400
came out, actually we saw a
deer run across the road, and we

440
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:05.719
saw this glorus and then we saw, I think SI come out of the

441
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:12.639
field. It took one giant step
in the middle of the rogue. It

442
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.639
turned at its waist and it looked
at us. In its eyes were giant

443
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:25.920
red like reflectors or coals or and
and then it took another step. It

444
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:34.920
slood on the margin of the the
bank to the ditch line and went on

445
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:40.800
up past the corner fence of our
neighbors into our neighbor's field and was just

446
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:50.599
gone like a deer, but at
that time there's enough seconds there that you

447
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:58.079
could see that it it was kind
of a reddish color with a like a

448
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:07.679
blonde color down its back, and
it had like dreadlocks, and it had

449
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:15.360
like what did they call that mutton
mutton chops, I think because of what

450
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.480
they call it, And then the
fuse brigs of hair on that one cheek

451
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.840
that we could clearly see, and
its hair was blawn, you know,

452
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:30.679
it was like dreadlocks. And then
its arms were it had longish hair on

453
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:42.599
its arms and everything, and it
was just unbelievable how it just disappeared right

454
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.719
after it looked at us, it
was just gone. So we went back

455
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:52.079
the next day after we did the
skin pitch test all night wondering what the

456
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.920
heck we if we've really seen what
we'd seen. We question ourselves sometimes we

457
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:07.000
still question ourselves because it was two
unbelievable what we saw. But there were

458
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:12.039
actual tie marks in the mud on
the edge of the ditch line where it

459
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.880
had it dug in so deep that
you could actually see the dampness and the

460
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:22.239
dirt right there, and you could
easily see that it was two prints.

461
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:28.599
And we went on up where we
knew that it had gone to and we

462
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.559
weren't clear, you know, that
it totally had gone by the corner of

463
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.039
our neighbor's fence. We didn't know
that until the next day when we went

464
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:45.480
back up there and we found two
footprints in the grass. Of all things,

465
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:51.519
nobody would believe that you could see
big foot footprints in the grass,

466
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:57.840
but honestly, it would had hit
there and was heavy enough that it put

467
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:04.400
a deep imprint into that grass,
and so you could easily see right where

468
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:08.719
it stepped twice, and then there
were no more footprints to be found.

469
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:15.679
Whether it was gone into the old
tree firm that was there, if it

470
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:23.039
had just sprinted across the field,
oh, we don't know. But we

471
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:34.639
got pictures of that. Unfortunately,
those pictures were lost in the cell phone

472
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:43.320
that we took it with and we
never did get to recover them. My

473
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.880
husband does a lot of construction work. He knows measurements, and he said

474
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.960
that it was easily post to nine
feet tall. His chest was very thick.

475
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:06.639
We estimated probably two four foot you
know across, and COO could guess

476
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:14.199
and in the light of the car
headlights how much it could have weighed.

477
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:22.880
But it was. It was quite
out. I mean it was built really

478
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:31.360
strong. It looked like for me
looking at how shiny and Nice's hair was,

479
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:36.920
it looked like it wasn't It wasn't
a juvenile, but it wasn't old.

480
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:45.480
And we just can't un see what
we saw. And we want to

481
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:54.440
try to share our story as best
we could with the listeners, because it's

482
00:52:54.519 --> 00:53:00.800
a it's an important thing to think
about. If you believe that you have

483
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.840
one in your yard, or you
believe you have one on your property,

484
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:14.679
it just seems best to say that
they can be very stealth. We know

485
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:22.679
for a fact that with all of
the smell through the forest that we were

486
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:31.199
constantly being monitored. Maybe there was
one, Maybe there were war What were

487
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:40.239
the children lashing? What was all
the gibberish? Was it Chinese and Japanese

488
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:46.559
people walking and hiking through there with
quick running? Who could say, but

489
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:55.920
this is what we heard and experienced. And we feel that if we were

490
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.760
paralleled through all of the trails,
and if we were teased at Christmas time

491
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:12.000
like we believe now we were,
anybody could be grabbed at any time,

492
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:19.119
if that was the idea, or
it could be the idea of something to

493
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:28.119
be doing, especially when there's nobody
else around. Just a couple of nights

494
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:39.000
ago, we were watching one year
Remembrance of carry Arnold. We just happened

495
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:45.840
to come across Hidden Existence, and
there was a gentleman on there that said,

496
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:53.519
you need to be aware of Bigfoot
because Bigfoot has one occupation and that

497
00:54:53.719 --> 00:55:00.119
is to survive, and to survive
he has to be a killer. He

498
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:07.119
is not just eating drubs and roots, that he is eating deer and other

499
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:15.960
things, and that humans should be
just as aware of the danger as any

500
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.119
of the deer are. And that
made a lot of sense, because at

501
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:24.679
any one time, when we were
busy with leaving a side by running,

502
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.840
we could have never heard him sneak
up on us. We never heard him

503
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.239
when we knew they were there.
We would hear the whistles when we knew

504
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.920
they were there. When we were
cooking. There was one whistle that was

505
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:47.039
a constant whistle. It sounded like
a bird, and I would whistle back

506
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:52.920
to it, thinking it was a
bird, and we just would go it

507
00:55:52.960 --> 00:56:00.679
would whistle, I'd whistle, and
then about I don't know a year,

508
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:07.360
two years after we moved away from
there, I told my husband, I

509
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.159
said, you know the funny thing
about that whistle and that bird? He

510
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:14.519
said, yeah, I said,
did you ever notice that there were no

511
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:19.920
other birds whistling that way? There
was only it and me. There were

512
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:24.800
no other birds that sounded that way. And we'd heard about so many whistles

513
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:34.039
from people on all the different Bigfoot
shows that now we know that's probably what

514
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:38.360
it was. There are so many
things that we were so naive about.

515
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:45.760
We never thought about Bigfoot. We
never watched the shows about Bigfoot until we

516
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:52.199
moved away from there. And now
it's been four years and we're still hearing

517
00:56:52.320 --> 00:57:02.559
people repeat things on the Bigfoot podcasts
and ditty that we've said ourselves. It's

518
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:08.639
it's like listening to our recording of
ourselves over and over and over about the

519
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:17.679
trauma, about the spookiness, the
noises, to take out calls, to

520
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:31.079
take eagle calls. It's it's unbelievable, what what can come to you this

521
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.679
just long a time later, four
years, I think, because a long

522
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:45.159
time, and we weren't we were
like traumatized then, but it seems like

523
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:54.000
we're still traumatized trauma because now we
have dreams about it that we never had

524
00:57:54.039 --> 00:58:00.719
before. So it's it's good too. Kind of listen to what everybody has

525
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:07.119
to say, share your words and
their experience with other people. Someday will

526
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:13.800
get to the bottom of this.
Someday we'll all know what it is.

527
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:20.719
And you know, Scott carpenters in
heaven now, he knows. Probably he's

528
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:25.960
probably got his answers. Jerry Armand's
in heaven now too, probably the only

529
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.800
ones with the answers right now that
we're all hoping to get there, and

530
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:38.599
we're all hoping to find out and
find out in a scientific way without needing

531
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:50.639
to take one of these creatures out. And I appreciate being and invited on

532
00:58:50.719 --> 00:59:00.239
the show to share my words and
get my story out. Tell you thank

533
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:06.079
you so much for sharing what you
both experience. It's it's an incredible account.

534
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.679
Do you mind if I ask you
a few questions about what you shared?

535
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.159
I actually would love it, because, yeah, in trying to like

536
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:25.639
not get too long and drawn out
on everything there, I have a journal

537
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:31.639
and I kind of tried to do
a synopsis of the highlights and the things

538
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:37.320
that I thought people would be interested
and harriet about. You know, so

539
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:43.960
if you can ask me questions,
it might really help to get more more.

540
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.239
Are the important things out? Yeah, just a few things that I'm

541
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.360
kind of curious about. So when
you had the sighting of the Bigfoot,

542
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.159
were you able to get a really
good look at its face? Then?

543
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:05.639
Yeah, it it had kind of
a mud colored face. You know,

544
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.320
in the headlights, it was hard
to tell if it was gray or if

545
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:17.360
it was kind of a color similar
to its hair color. We'll be back

546
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:28.039
with more Bigfoot Society after these words
from our sponsors, because the headlights were

547
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.880
glowing, glowing right on its face, but it seemed like it'd be if

548
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:38.039
it was daylight, it would probably
won't be more towards the gray it had.

549
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:45.599
It had very a huge head,
absolutely a huge head, and the

550
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:53.360
eyes were spread quite far apart.
And when I say they looked like coals,

551
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.400
they were big like that, they
were big, and they glowed the

552
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:06.639
globus red. Is so weird how
he kept saying it's the eyes, and

553
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:12.400
I kept saying trying to say,
no, it's just some reflectors down the

554
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.840
road, and it wasn't, and
I knew it wasn't, but it looked

555
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.920
like very dark red and just kind
of shined out like it just flowed from

556
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.400
its center out getting like the orange
color as it came out, and it

557
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:37.320
had more of it, and how
in the quick look we had, I

558
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:44.800
would say it wasn't ugly at all. It had more like they had the

559
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:51.039
really deep the big brow ridge and
the eyes were going so big you could

560
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:59.119
you know, see down onto its
cheeks a bit that it its mouth was

561
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:04.559
just a slit. It just turned
and it looked at us glare. It

562
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.559
couldn't it couldn't turn its head.
Its neck was really thick. It couldn't

563
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:14.800
turn its head. So as it
was stepping, it was you know,

564
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.519
thrusting like the right arm up and
it turned at the waist with its like

565
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:24.880
its left arm was kind of behind
it, and it turned at the waist,

566
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:35.199
looked at us for half a second
or something long enough, and it

567
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:42.199
turned back and it took its other
step, slid and was gone up into

568
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:50.719
the darkness behind the tree trunks and
into the field. And it wasn't you

569
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.239
know, I can't say it was
necessarily pretty, but I can't say that

570
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:58.840
it was like something. I mean, I was in my car, you

571
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:05.320
know, and it didn't look like
an ugly monster. It just was a

572
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:12.719
tall, hairy creature with red blowing
eyes that looked at us and kept on

573
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:20.400
going, and we think what happened
is I mean we saw cloaking or what

574
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:25.199
now we assume is cloaking because of
the words we heard that it was like

575
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:30.400
predator moving and then it kept going
what is that? What is that?

576
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.360
And this deer came out and went
across the road and it came out behind

577
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:40.320
it, and we think it made
a mistake and it just got caught in

578
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:45.719
our headlights, which it wasn't expecting
to do, and then it turned and

579
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:52.559
looked at us and left. So
I don't know. Does that answer question?

580
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:58.440
Yeah, that definitely does. If
you had to classify the creature,

581
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.960
would you put it more into category
of something that was ape like or maybe

582
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:12.400
something more human like based on what
you saw its face. It's when it

583
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:19.519
turned its face like its nose and
it's cheek bulls and stuff looked more human

584
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:26.519
not ape at it. I don't
recall that it had the sagittal crest,

585
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.360
that it was dark behind it,
you know, we had the headlights on

586
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.480
it. The hair would like I
said, it was a long rock star

587
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:38.679
like and harrowed away and it was
like dreadlocks. But the rest of the

588
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:46.119
body was shiny and clean. Its
arms were huge, its thighs were huge.

589
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:51.800
It's from like the foot up to
the knee wasn't really long. It

590
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:57.519
was the length of its height I
think would have come from the hip to

591
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:04.280
the knee. That's how it looked
like it was built in the best that

592
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.480
I can describe from like I say, you know, in the headlights,

593
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:17.360
it that side of it was like
really long from the hip down to the

594
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:24.519
knee, and the knee and the
calfs that meet from the knee down to

595
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.800
the to the feet, which I
couldn't really see the feet, but the

596
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.760
calf of the leg I remember,
was like real like a rock in there

597
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:38.639
or something, you know. And
I suppose that's the muscle flex from the

598
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:45.239
running. But we just know what's
you know, kind of ingrained in our

599
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.239
brain that it's something. Like I
said, we can't see it, it's

600
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:58.159
there, It's always going to be
there. And a lot of the weird

601
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:05.639
weirdness that happened was perfectly explainable once
we saw it that night. Oh absolutely,

602
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:10.440
Did you said that you saw it
kind of go over to the neighbor's

603
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.519
property. Did you ever go over
and talk to the neighbors about it.

604
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:25.719
No, we never talked to anybody
about it because we were because we saw

605
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:30.519
something that our brains weren't ready to
see, I think, and it was

606
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:34.159
hard enough for us. I mean, we talked about it with ourselves over

607
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:41.599
and over and over and over and
trying to say, well, this was

608
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:45.079
our reality. Is this what we
saw? And we kept going over and

609
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:51.480
over it. And the only people
that we ever shared it with for these

610
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:59.119
four years until we went and saw
Cliffs. As you said in the introduction,

611
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:05.400
we didn't tell anybody because we didn't
trust that we wouldn't be ridiculed and

612
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:12.000
give him our professions and this and
that. We really didn't want to put

613
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:16.519
ourselves out there that way. And
our friends have been our best friends for

614
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:21.480
years, so they believe this,
and they're the only ones that we could

615
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:33.320
ever really talk to. But we
did get up enough courage to go over

616
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:41.519
to the North American Bigfoot Museum.
When Cliff first got that go on,

617
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:47.039
it was when he was still breaking
ground on the museum partment, had his

618
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:54.360
his gift shop opened, and they
weren't really busy when we popped in that

619
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:59.800
day and we said, hey,
you know, we don't want to bother

620
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:03.519
you. We felt shy about it
that he was there, and he's the

621
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:11.679
only one we knew that had been
out there researching and had a life close

622
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.479
enough to us that we could actually
take our evidence to him and have him

623
01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:21.720
looked at it. And he looked
at the footprint in the mud, and

624
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:28.359
he could see that that the break
was there, everything was there, and

625
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:33.880
he said, yes, absolutely,
in his educated mind, he believed that

626
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:38.600
that was a big foot track,
and he liked it well enough to ask

627
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:45.800
us if he could please have a
print of it so that he could frame

628
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.760
it to put it in his museum, And which is what we granted,

629
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:58.560
because we we wanted to let people
know because we lived close enough to Mount

630
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:04.600
Hood and close enough to the National
Forest and so forth like that that you

631
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:11.119
know, people you know, coming
through anywhere in that part and they could

632
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.279
see that footprint where it came from
and so forth and have an idea that

633
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:19.239
what's out there, you know.
But we were very we've been very,

634
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:30.479
very secretive over our location because there's
just too many people that want to find

635
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:38.159
out and go where they've been sited, and in our case, it wouldn't

636
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:42.359
have been a healthy thing for anybody
to do, because you know, you

637
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.319
can't get in the mix with woggers
and logging equipment and things like that.

638
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:50.680
It just wouldn't mix. So we've
never disclosed the location. Our best friends

639
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:56.079
new because they know where we lived, but we just we never had company.

640
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:59.359
We did. We were just out
in the woods, you know,

641
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:11.760
friends came over. But yeah,
so I I just hope with all my

642
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:17.640
hopes that people if they if they
see him, you know, don't try

643
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:23.800
to chase them around, and just
try not to get traumatized by him.

644
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:32.039
I think I have to say,
you know, in the time after the

645
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:41.520
fact we left there in twenty eighteen, that was kind of the gig was

646
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.640
up for doing the project that we've
been invited to be part of, for

647
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:59.319
everything we were doing, and so
we had we our gig was up,

648
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:03.680
and we moved moved on with our
fifth wheel. And in two thousand and

649
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:14.680
twenty are we were caught up in
the wildfires up there and in the area

650
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:20.239
of the Calacamus River. And so
I kind of believe that the two traumas

651
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:30.720
together kind of have magnified a little
bit to how we feel about you know,

652
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:38.520
how we saw that the big Foot
and then how we've now are kind

653
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:43.359
of having to deal with it and
the fire thing. I think the fire

654
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:48.840
just kind of crashed into what we
were already dealing with, you know that.

655
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:54.840
Trying to be realistic about everything.
We're just working through it and listening

656
01:11:54.920 --> 01:12:02.399
to what we can find out,
and we're sharing with you, and we

657
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:08.960
shared with Cliff, and we feel
like what we saw is what we saw.

658
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.239
But you's you know, it doesn't
matter. I'll tell you what,

659
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.920
unless you're a courageous guy and you
believe with all your heart they're not going

660
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.399
to hurt yet if you see when, you're probably going to be doing a

661
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:25.359
skin pinch test, just like who
we are. Because it's still hard to

662
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:30.239
believe that we saw it, you
know, absolutely, And it sounds you

663
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:34.279
get I agree, you have been
through so much with both situations, but

664
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:42.359
I'm it sounds like you are definitely
starting to get a handle on what happened,

665
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.279
and this is probably helping being able
to talk about it as well.

666
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:53.159
There was another thing that you mentioned
really quickly, and you talked about how

667
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:57.479
you heard people at certain points or
what sounded like people, and at one

668
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.840
point you said it kind of sounded
like maybe be a Chinese or Japanese language

669
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:06.880
is so whenever you heard people was
did it kind of sound like a language

670
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:15.159
type like that type of language or
yeah? Actually, actually there were a

671
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:24.720
couple things that happened. I was
down doing some photography and which I totally

672
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:30.199
love to do that if I had
it a day off from work and was

673
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.680
on the job there, I'd go
down and get a photography dinner. And

674
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:39.159
I was down there, it was
quiet. We'll be back with more Bigfoot

675
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:46.560
society. After these words from our
sponsors, everything stopped making a noise.

676
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:50.399
We had tree frogs and we had
birds, everything. All of a sudden,

677
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:57.520
everything went quiet, and somebody goes, Okay, oh my god,

678
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.239
where's that. I looked all around
and there was nothing there but my dog,

679
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:09.000
who was my partner, was sitting
there shivering like she was in an

680
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:14.920
ice bath. And it created me
out fu So I thought, okay,

681
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:20.000
well, maybe we've just better wander
on back up to our house. But

682
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:28.520
yes, it sounded we had there
was a creek there and so it and

683
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.680
there were you know a lot of
different foreign people would come to it.

684
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:40.079
Friends and friends knew that that place
would they would allow when there weren't workers

685
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:44.880
in there that they could walk through
it or hike or whatever, that if

686
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:49.159
you were near the crypt, you
anybody speaking ely sure otherwise could sound really

687
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:55.520
garbled. And so I just assumed
that that's what it was. But we

688
01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:01.520
heard at night at dusk, just
just before art, we could hear children

689
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:09.840
playing down there. We could hear
them laughing. We could go up onto

690
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:15.479
this We were up on kind of
a mountain, and there was this knoll

691
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:19.960
there that we could get on.
We could watch the sunset and sound carries

692
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:29.079
up hill, and we could hear
children down by the restrooms playing and giggling

693
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.920
and laughing. And we'd get the
side by side out and go down there

694
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:38.159
to check to see what family was
in there, and there was never anybody

695
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:45.439
there. The same with the door
to the privy slam bang, slam bang,

696
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:53.319
and went down there to check nobody
was there. Honest to goodness,

697
01:15:53.479 --> 01:16:00.319
nobody was there. I used to
I have kind of the sixth cents about

698
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:04.319
things, and I used to feel
like I was being watch which a lot

699
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:09.640
of people do, you know,
but I would feel it, particularly at

700
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:14.520
night, and it used to feel
like one of them was just sitting out

701
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.920
there under a tree beside the house, and I know it could be my

702
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:25.520
imagination, but that was when I
started feeling. And then, of course,

703
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.800
well my husband. I never brought
this up in the story, but

704
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.800
my husband we had three sum trees
that have been growing there because of that

705
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:42.079
at their home that had been there, and they were ancient because that place

706
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.359
was ancient. And he found these
plum trees. So he went out and

707
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:49.119
cleaned up all around under him,
and the next day he was going to

708
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:54.239
go out and take him and this
is God's truth. When he got out

709
01:16:54.279 --> 01:17:00.279
there, there was not one plump
left on any of those three. He's

710
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.640
not one. He said. What
was on the ground had ants on it,

711
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:10.319
but there were no good ones left
in the tree at all. And

712
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.600
it was the weirdest thing, you
know. It was just something that we

713
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.800
still talked about. How he prepared
all of that to go pick the plums

714
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:24.159
and there wasn't one left cleared to
the top of the trees, which they're

715
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.680
not real tall, but cleared to
the top of the trees, you know.

716
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:35.960
And hearing falls going past our house, you know, and thinking somebody's

717
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:41.560
come in there and they're messing around, and then he heard noise out there

718
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:47.560
and he went out the door and
I heard whatever it was take off it.

719
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.319
It was going through the woods like
crazy. You could feel it hit

720
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:58.680
in the ground. And he came
back in the house and they said,

721
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:02.520
jeez. I said, I'd never
take you hunting unless I had your dog

722
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:08.760
the deer for me, because you
made so much noise going through that brush

723
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.399
that, you know, I could
hear you all the way down to the

724
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:17.359
road. So that wasn't me.
He said, that was whatever would had

725
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:21.800
been in the road or in the
yard ahead to me going through there.

726
01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:29.039
So whatever that was, only God
knows. We're not going to try to

727
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:33.000
label it. But you know,
everybody says Bigfoot is quiet. Maybe he

728
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.279
is, Maybe he isn't, maybe
his part of the time, and maybe

729
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:40.239
if he gets scared, he makes
a lot of noise running away. You

730
01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:45.159
know, sure, yeah, but
it you know, it happened. It's

731
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:50.800
just it's just so it's so mysterious, and we keep saying why us.

732
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:55.960
I mean, we weren't. We
had no idea, we had no cove

733
01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:01.119
at all. We were I almost
feel like I've had to tell the story

734
01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:05.199
backwards instead of saying, jeez,
in two thousand and sec team we had

735
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:10.840
this, you know, predator thing, and then this bigfoot, the deer

736
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:15.199
chasing the deer and all this and
blah blah blah. But no, you

737
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:21.119
know, I feel like it's all
backwards because how it started out, and

738
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:30.399
how we never won time ever thought
of a bigfoot, not what's and like

739
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.479
I said, living in the wilderness
like I did, I never I'd never

740
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:39.680
thought about big foot at all.
I mean, people were what you've looked

741
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:44.159
out for. You didn't look out
for the animals usually they are afraid of

742
01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:46.920
you. They minded their business,
you minded yours and all that stuff,

743
01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:56.279
you know. And and then later
since all of this, looking back onto

744
01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:02.000
my experiences there, I know that
there was big foot there too, and

745
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:10.399
that makes me feel like I'm even
crazier knowing that some of the noises and

746
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:15.319
sounds I heard there were just exactly
like what I've heard other people describe and

747
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:21.000
heard the recordings that people have made, you know, and it's just it's

748
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:29.640
just weird. But it's my experience
and nothing happened to me, and I

749
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.760
guess I'm richer for it that I
had this experience in my husband and I

750
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:40.359
had this experience, and you know, I went through all the things that

751
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:45.840
some people go through like some people
say, well they're from benefolent. Other

752
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:54.479
people have other ideas, you know, about paranormal stuff. I I don't

753
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:59.119
know what I want to think about
it, But at one put point in

754
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:04.000
my feelings about it, I was
just like rebuking it because I didn't know

755
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:12.399
if it was evil or if it
was alien like anybody says, or if

756
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:21.239
it was actual creature animal existence like
Cliff and the researchers believe. There's all

757
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:27.399
different thoughts on it. And I
got to the point where it was kind

758
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:30.760
of bugging me so much. I
just said, go away. I didn't

759
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.800
see you. I don't want to
know about you, you know. And

760
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:40.239
my husband's not that way. I
mean he'll sit and watch dixit stuff and

761
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:45.479
and all that, you know,
But you know, I don't. I

762
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:49.479
don't think that I've ever been considered
enough to think that we're the only thing

763
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:57.800
human and animals are the only thing
that exists in this world that you know,

764
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.680
we have odd things. We're fine, the new animals, new creatures,

765
01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:12.640
and even hidden primitive people's in different
jungles of the world where they're discovering

766
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:18.640
that there's these these natives that live
there in their tribe and nobody ever saw

767
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:25.199
and their whole life, you know, so we would be remiss to think

768
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:32.399
that we were had all the answers
and we're the only you know, hotshots

769
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:39.640
on that. Absolutely we need to
be you know, able to admit that

770
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:46.119
there might be something else that we
quite don't know about yet. And uh,

771
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:54.039
yeah that's a good place. Yeah
it will be exciting too. I

772
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.079
mean, you know, we've found
hair and stuff like that, but we

773
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:02.159
never put it up to anything more
than getting We never thought bigfoot no way,

774
01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:06.800
shape or form, you know nothing. But you know, things get

775
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:15.199
I mean, things get mistaken for
hair all the time, like that black

776
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.479
moss that hangs out of the trees. I mean as a kid, we

777
01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:23.520
used to call it which which is
hair? You know, so it could

778
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.880
have easily been that. Most of
the time, I just poopooed things like

779
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.520
that if my husband brought them to
me, because you know, I lived

780
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:36.720
with wildlife before and and understand a
lot of things that I've studied a lot,

781
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:42.039
and I just don't no, no, it's not that. And it's

782
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:44.840
not to say I'm a non believer. It's just to say that I'm a

783
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:49.079
realist. And if it doesn't look
real, then I'm not going to say

784
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:53.800
it is real, you know.
And that's the same as it is with

785
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:58.840
Bigfoot. We don't know what Bigfoot
is yet. And that's why I stayed

786
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:02.840
away from most of the face book
pages, because I hear all kinds of

787
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:13.159
things that for me, they don't
fit my reality of what is you know,

788
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:17.399
Like, I don't think it's some
fairytale thing, you know. And

789
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:21.399
people can have their own opinion,
and that's cool, you know, they

790
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:27.079
can believe what they want to believe
and find find their answers the way they

791
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.479
want to find their answers. And
we're still looking. I mean, we're

792
01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:35.880
still looking for an answer. We're
waiting for ChIL, Jeff mel German,

793
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:40.399
some of them, Cliff, I
mean, he has a special place up

794
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:45.359
on mouth Hood. We're waiting waiting
for those guys to say, hey,

795
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:48.680
guess what you know? Oh absolutely, I think I think a lot of

796
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:55.920
us are for sure. But heay, this has been just an incredible chat

797
01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:00.439
of I mean, such a long
period that you were out out there and

798
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:03.199
thank you for sharing it on the
show. I think a lot of people

799
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:10.399
are going to be able to take
this information and maybe unlock some memories of

800
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:15.560
their own with it. So thank
you so much for coming on, and

801
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:19.840
thank you for inviting me. And
you know, I hope the fewer good

802
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:27.600
listeners will be kind and and understand
that this has been a very dramatic thing.

803
01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:35.439
And I just say happy trails to
everybody out there in their search and

804
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:40.399
opening their minds to what's going on. And I thank you very very much

805
01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:44.600
for inviting me on. It was
my pleasure to stumble through it and try

806
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:49.279
to do my desk. And we'll
be listening to you because we really,

807
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:54.319
we really are fans. You're a
big for Society. Art goal is to

808
01:25:54.359 --> 01:26:00.199
provide a platform for those that have
encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a

809
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:04.039
safe and respected environment. But we
need to hear your story. If you've

810
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:11.840
experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

811
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.520
Society at gmail dot com. Then
we can start the conversation. I know

812
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:21.000
a lot of you have not shared
your encounter at all. It's been twenty

813
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:27.159
years and it's time that you get
this off your chest and then you can

814
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.359
get some well deserved for rest,
because I know you haven't been sleeping.

815
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:34.479
I understand what you're going through,
and I appreciate every one of you listening