9 Years of Horrifying Bigfoot Encounters in Oregon

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Fast Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes and Big Foot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Tea tonight and she contacted me from the great state of Oregon about some things that they've experienced over a nine year period. How's it going tonight, Taya, It's going very good. Basic weather, definitely perfect weather. It's starting to get a little bit cooler out here in Iowa, and I'm sure it's beautiful out there in Oregon as well. But you know, you sent me a little bit about what happened. It's just it sounds like a fascinating story, and you even were able to talk with you know, Cliff Barrickman about it, and it's just it's I can't wait to hear the whole story. So I'm just so

1:34 glad that you're on the phone with me tonight. Well, thank you very much for having me, for inviting me. I really appreciate that, and it's very good to be able to bring it to the forefront. I listened to your podcast about being close in two neighborhoods and such, and so we were, we were out and we didn't have neighbors. We weren't right in a town or having them bopped around like that, but we were we were around neighbors, they were far off, distant farms and such. And when we went there, we went there because we had decided we wanted to do something different. People, you know, they go to Yellowstone Park and their cap hosts at Yellowstone all the different ways in, and we thought that might be a good adventure since we had a piece in our view we could be in. And we just fell into this kind of watch situation where we were watching equipment for logging and and various different things going in and you know,

3:08 on in this property, which also included that they would have occasional hikers come through there and so forth. So they wanted everything watched. And it was a really good feel for us because we weren't we weren't really we didn't feel like we were really working. We were all able to keep actually keep jobs outside of there that we were able to be up there and the times and the necessary times and overnight when they really needed us to keep an eye on things. So it felt pretty good. And you know, it was like you know, parents, you know, we were we were never actually, I do need to digress a little bit. We never did ever reveal that we ever had those experience there because of the various different people that would come in, and we did not want anybody to be fearful of anything, because number one, it's a forest and it has everything in it, you know, from bobcat bear, you know, coyote. There was a small bear.

4:33 It was a tiny bear, but we had owls and everything in there that you would expect. So we tried to help folks that did come in there under to understand that it was actually a force. It needed to be regarded as such so that there wouldn't be any surprises from any of the wild animals. And we tried to, you know, we were there, they'd ask questions, but we'd you know, always be distracted from our job with Geo cash and Pokemon folks and and you know, they'd dropped by, you know, if you got a clue, we know one's up here and and all that. And of course, I mean we didn't because we didn't do that. But our adventures started in September of oh nine. We moved.

5:30 We moved into the little RV site thing that they had set up for us. And you know, after living in a park for a while, a regular RV park, I just felt totally wonderful there because it was just a breath of fresh air and you know, having a variety of evergreens and a blend of deciduous It was just it was a glory Is forest, a great place to be dece and quiet, no cars. So you know, here we are, we're we move in. We're just left on our own to explore and to find our way through the forest on our own. They just kind of were so happy to have us. They just go, okay, here it is you know, have fun basically, and so we we started to explore, and you know, we didn't make our way through the forest right away. We went out and we watched the bluff. It was beautiful at the southwest few. It was just totally glorious with the sunset colors and everything. So we listened to all the woodward sounds and watch, you know, the sun sink into the west and sizzle its way out. But it wasn't dark. It was still light. So I said to my husband and

7:02 I said, hey, I said, we're here, so why don't we go exploring, you know, and he side, well, it's almost dark. He wasn't so sure about that. We had a side by side that was left there for us to use, and I'd never driven a side by side. I'd driven to farm things and a four wheeler and things like that. You know, had to be adventurous. So we decided to take our first trip to the forest, not realizing that it was dusk up there, or not quite dusk. But when you get into the forest, it's like a lot darker. So we're going sneaking down this kind of you know, logging road, then down this hill and it's getting dark, and we had the lights on, but I thought, oh jeezies, aren't these aren't bright enough? So I reached down and and went to put the brights on while my husband was driving, and the lights way out. So that was our first little adventure in the forest. Thank god. I had my maglight flashlight, and I got it on the big spot a spotlight part, and I put it at the ditch and I said, okay, how you followed the bouncing ball and I bounced it up through the ditch line and we got back

8:35 up around the corner and up there where it was safe and in our house. That you know, that was our first tour of the of the forest and the dark. Our next tour was day daylight, and you know, we went we went down the road and explored all the different parts of the area and you know, look and over everything that we needed to look over. And it was just, you know, a wonderful, beautiful place to be after a rain. It smelled like it smelled like Christmas trees. It was so clean and beautiful in there. And on the weekends, you know, we'd go out and just sit and have our coffee on this deck that we kind of threw together really quick right after we moved there, and we can stit in to be kind of a cadio, so that and we would cook out there every night, and within within a few days we experienced odd noises, whistles, and a lot of coyote calls and all different from all different directions around the hill. And it was most nights, and you know, fall was coming fast, and you know, as the coyotes seemed to

10:11 quit calling and being around, the awls came out and it became more frequent. Given kind of a haunted feeling to the forest, but I guess it seemed to be meeting seasy season that was upon us. And but it just seemed like it was, you know, getting busier and busier with the animals outside. We would just sit out there and cook outdoors always. We had a It was an undeveloped part of the forest. It was really pretty ragged down there. It hadn't really had any road built into it. Anything done down there had to be pretty much done on foot or with some tort type of heavy equipment, and it was pretty heavily forested down there, and we just you know, sit there and be cooking our meal and all of a suddenly we got this just god awful over and it was my thought to be a dead deer, because you know, cougar's going through there. They're probably a cougar kill that, you know. My husband was very sensitive to odor,

11:46 and he complained that the smell was like he and still today he says it was the most unclean human running flush, the smell that he ever smelled. And and that for me, since it was a forest and had all the animals and birds, and a person would expect that perhaps there would be a predator in there and leave bones behind. That Unfortunately, that odor made it a little unsettling because you know, our first days there we seemed to notice that there were very few deer living there, so we didn't know, you know, we had no idea what was what was going on that way.

12:41 But a few days after moving in, and while on our our daylight side by side ride through miles of roads and trails, we came upon a rack of fresh killed deer bones in the road that it looked like it been boned out by by a hunter, like a hunter's bounty. But one thing was wrong. It just wasn't how it laid. There wasn't right, It could have been dragged by a coyote because it found it. That it was.

13:30 It was boned out but not and it wasn't a complete carcass. It was boned out, the flesh had been taken off, but not by sharp teeth, and there were no knife marks in it. It seemed like the head had been just tore off of it. And of course there weren't any front legs there because they're only held on by soft tissue and skin anyway. So that was kind of earth shaking for us, and we were totally thinking that somebody had come in there and and pushed a deer and then threw the bones out up there. But you know, with after that happened, each day led to its its own strange happenings, with one strange thing after another, and much to our surprise, we found out that we had an eccentric neighbor who was sneaking in at night and building a fire in the forest and party in and in the moon light and passing ear cans around in the forest.

14:52 And they how they got in was they skinnied by a building that was therefore kicking aside by in so both like that, and they get past that build and we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And they had this little truck. It was like ham spray painted camouflage, and they'd go in and swipe firewood and things like that as well, or be picking wildflowers at night with a flashlight. It's just the oddest thing.

15:35 So with all that happening and a horse getting away and up coming down and checking that out and wondering if we were hiding it bis our little things like that, we when Christmas came and we started hearing noises down over the hill into the forest in the law Again area, we were just for sure thinking that this person, this neighbor was down there on Christmas Day. So we're dressed up ready for Christmas dinner. We hear all this noise. I think, will it's Christmas? We better get the side by and go out and look. So we go down there. It's eight miles of roads and trails all around down and there to check out. And we got down there and the noise wasn't where we heard it, but it was above us.

16:36 So we go around where that was and nobody was there, and it kept doing that and playing with us. We believed it was her, that we couldn't hear a vehicle, we believed it was this neighbor, and so we decided to instead of going the road the way we'd done and like we were following, we started cutting across and thinking, okay, we'll running into him, we'll chase him out, it'll be done and we could go. And we were down there an hour and a half and we never saw one person down there, but we heard all the noise. We heard people talking, and we heard laughing, we heard everything. So I'll dressed up ready to go to dinner. Decided the heck with this, we'd just go on up and get in the car and locked the gate on our way out, and if they were in there and they had a vehicle in there, they'd be locked in. So it was after dark when we got home and we went with our headlights to check it out, and there wasn't anybody up there.

18:00 It was just so mystifying and so weird and creepy, knowing that we were hearing things, people laughing and this and that, and there was only one way in and one way out and we had locked that way. So that was the beginning of a lot of very weird things happening, But the weirdest thing was the nice that we heard far off howling. And I always referred to it as the house of the Baskerville because it was this god awful, hair raising, screaming, weird stuff. But still we just thought, you know, far off neighbor dogs that got out there chasing around, they're barking at whatever and howling at whatever that we never saw. And it didn't go on like every night, like a dog in a neighborhood would see something and start barking or seeing nothing in bark Anyway, it happened occasionally, and when it did, it was just the screamy, awful, horrible thing. And I would say to my husband, well, we live in a murder mountain or something, because it was just this nervous thing about that happening out there.

19:29 So we got so disturbed by all of this weirdness and this neighbor driving in and hiding out and swiping a wood and stuff that we bought a little night vision camera and didn't tell anybody. We didn't tell anybody about it, so we you know, we were blaming the neighbor for all this stuff. We thought that we shouldn't just blame her, and we figured that some of the screaming down there that we thought was kids or a woman was probably a cougar screaming or a vix and the female fox screaming. Because we weren't ever thinking We never once ever thought big foot. We we just hadn't been following it. We you know, years ago I heard about it, but we weren't following it. We weren't watching TV, were too busy working. And it was about that time that we did run into finding big Foot people the TV show, but we only got to kind of like look at it once in a while, and we still didn't cop the clue to this possibility of it being being bigfoot. So we kept that camera at the front of the

21:04 house and wouldn't watch. And the first thing that happened was a neighbor dog running down and put a sideball right up against the camera because it was on a tripod about two and a half feet off the ground, and we could see that we had a thirty two inch TV with hall on there. And the next thing that we saw on there was a cougar's eye, and so we knew that we had a prowler, and that it was a cougar sniffing things out that you know, the cougar could have been making the screaming. So we never, like I said, we never put it up to be in big Foot at all. But there was a lot to do there with the cleanup of the forest and maintaining the areas and taking care of you know, a trash and they had a pit toilet that they had put in there, and other there was other facilities there to be used to and we would take care of the roads and the ditches and all the touchups. And one night while we were sitting up at our place, we just got in the house from eating out on our deck, and we heard the pit toilet door just opening and slamming shut, and the opening and slamming shut and opening and

22:37 slamming shut. So husband jumped in the side by side went down to check it out. There was nothing there, nothing, nothing around. He drove the whole area, nobody, nothing was there. So that was you know, beginning to make us one there about you know, having maybe homeless people coming in there, sneaking by the fences or whatever, and maybe they were down there doing whatever, but it just it just never made any sense to us at all. The noises there were children laughing. We never found any children in the night. We heard an eagle cry, and it's like it was flying over and doing its eagle call. There's no eagle been calling in the middle of the night that I ever ever heard. But you know, and doing all of our chores and everything, we just started watching things, and we started watching tracks in the snow and the first note game, and sure enough we were down there that pit toilet area and we found found by

24:07 peetle tracks or what looked by peetle in the snow. So we go, huh, maybe maybe there's something going on here, suppose we have a big foot. But then I got the photos off of my phone and blew them up on the computer, and you could easily see it was a bear track because one track, one foot went into the other foot, making it look like a large footprint, one large footprint. So we just kind of warned the loggers and the crew to kind of keep thanks food and things like that, you know, any packaging, and be sure to throw it away and not drawn. And it was a small dare. It was a very very small little female there and she just kind of cruised through, and it seemed that she just cruised on and we never saw any more of the tracks.

25:11 We never we saw her one time and we never saw her again. And when spring rolled around, it seemed to bring interlopers. We caught, you know, walking out and you know, out of the place early in the morning hours, like four thirty in the morning. That was it was getting us a warm spring. Well, he started finding these huts and they just looked like those folks that made some kind of survivor a survival type of a place to sleep in and you know, shoved the bench of leaves in it.

25:59 And they kind of why we call them like some bival huts is because they kind of looked like a fish's backbone with the ribs touching the ground and and it was not like rib bones. And there would be one large, thicker branch that would be up against the tree trunk and the tip of it would be held together by you know, on the ground. It would be kind of sticking kind of in the ground a little bit and held down, and then the smaller tree branches were propped up against it all along the way on each side. So it just kind of looked like fish bone, a fish bone type thing, and they had stuffed a lot of leaves in it, stuffed full of dried leaves, and you can tell that someone had been laying in it. So we just assumed that some of these folks were sneaking in and coming up there, and we were, you know, finding those well, we took them all down because they were just kind of getting in the way of different things that were being done on the property. And we

27:32 no longer got him down and gone, and we started finding them again, and they were kind of scattered all throughout the forest, and one was one was very odd. It actually had a black plastic bag stuck up in it and it didn't look I can't say that it really looked human made. And others were of like new fern bowels and new spring shoots and things like That night and smashed down, and it wasn't long after that in the spring kept just kept us really busy, and we could hear sounds of children playing and people talking and owls calling, and sounds of eagles and everything, and there was there was no one in there. They couldn't be in there because they would have had to get past us. So I would say out of four they stand of the week. In the week we were smelling dead deer and dirty stinky body odor and wet moss kind of smell, and this and that, and it was we just kind of blow it off. It sounds weird

29:03 for us to blow it off that it was people were the concern, you know, for us, people were the concern, not dead deer. And that's what we still thought it was, because we hadn't convinced ourselves that we could be having any other kind of visitor except humans that would come in and be manson around curious. I mean, we were down on the side by one day in the sun and we went to and by and a man was laying on a rock and the sun. But he's armed in the air and waved at us and just acted like he belonged there. So we went up and had a visit with him, and he really didn't have too much to say, and we said suggest that he should probably be away from the forest.

30:06 We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. Before dark came, he was gone and we never thought anything more about him until we found a homeless camp down through past some of the locked property, and by then it seemed as though he had vacated it. So we just never thought about about that again. We continued doing our thing, cooking outside, smelling the smells. And it was a Saturday when my husband went.

30:53 He just headed out to check the developed part of the forest yellow r RV. And he was gone for hours, and I had become kind of nervous, totally uneven, ground overgrown, very isolated, and I would not have been able to hear him calling out to me or he even for him to get me on the telephone that and how soon he came back and come bursting through the door, just breathless and excited and kind of freaking out all at one time. And he had a photo. He had photos of a foot of a footprint in the mud from a pond. And it was a pond we had no idea was there. We had never explored that. That wasn't part of what anybody said that we were assigned to do. So we we just we just didn't. We just kept our nose to the grindstone and did what we were told to do. So he had this footprint in the mud, but he was so excited that he didn't think to put anything beside it for measurement, and we kept that footprint. We looked at that footprint for

32:28 the longest time and didn't know quite what to do with it. But the rest of this story is that he found a trail that went to a pond. We didn't know that pond was there. And how he saw it was all of these saplings were broken down, just like someone had gone through, like like a tornado, making the swaths through these these young saplings, and they were all broke, like six foot off and different heights like that, but all way up high. And he couldn't figure out what the foresters had done to get it that way. But of course, until he saw the footprint, he assumed that the foresters did it. And nobody ever said anything about it. We never talked to anybody about it. And on his way back, he said that he saw this gave style opening and some scrub brush, and she decided to explore it a little bit, and he said, inside it there was like a teepee structure. He said it was big enough that it would have taken men to build it. He said, there was

34:02 no way any kids or any young people like we had seen going in there, could have ever built built it, and he said the opening of the structure and the ground under it was frequently showed, it been frequently used. So, you know, just behind our house was a partially maintained great Game trail, and although we didn't recommend people use it, we note that we heard occasional human sounding feet going by it, like foot footsteps going by it, but we could never find anything, so we'd just assumed that maybe it was you know, a deer or something like that going through. But you know, we didn't know what to do with all this exciting information that he found. And then we started watching Finding Bigfoot and we saw Cliff on there.

35:15 We saw all of them, of course, but Cliff was the one that appealed to us. So we decided that perhaps we should try to get ahold of him. So we called what we saw on at the tail end of the show and how they ran all of the the people that have been in it or they've been and so forth. We saw that there was a place that you could get ahold of finding Bigfoot producers or something like that, so we called and they were like, yeah, yeah, we want to we want to hear from you and everything, and we talked to them that we find finally realized that we weren't really talking to finding bigfoot people. We were talking to somebody else that had a radio station and radio broadcast. And actually it didn't really help us find out anything except hearing other people talk about it the subject, and I think it made us more nervous about everything.

36:46 We had, you know, times when it was perfectly normal, and then other times it sounded like a bull crashing through the woods. We had trees being pushed over when there was no wind. They were falling. Whether they were pushed or not, I can't say. I shouldn't say pushed, but they were. They were crashing around us. And we would find trees across the road. We would find saplings across the road. We would have to move them and and so forth to clean up behind behind whatever was going on.

37:27 And I would, you know, I love photography. I would go down, down and around into the forest and take my dog with me. I never knew who might be down there. It just pays not to go alone. So I'd get the side buy out, we go down there and I'd shoot a lot of pictures. There was just tons of things to see and take pictures of. But yet my dog, My dog would get so nervous and she would start this low growl if you're looking behind us and nothing was over there. She would get so nervous some days that she'd start pulling and coat because she wanted to leave. So I just give in and and get out of there and take her back. But one afternoon I went down into this really nice, beautiful place where there were lady slippers and different really kind of exotic. It was a very magical place. There was crick wet by it that kind of had a deep gorge. There was a nice sound.

38:42 It was just a beautiful place until it wasn't. That day, it just wasn't pretty anymore. And all of the hair on the back of my neck, everywhere on me just stood up. The smell was there, and the feel that I got, the deep feeling that I got inside of me, was just it was just so paralyzing in such a weird way that I could hardly get the side by and reverse and get it turned around to get out of there and back onto the main road. And after that day, I could never go past a certain point in that forest because it seemed like there was some type of mental thing that was stopping me. And my husband could go through their fine, but it seemed like I was stopped from going through there. And I always think back on it being because of my camera, because during this time of the bear being in there, the the owner of the whole property decided to put a game camera in there, and I

40:14 just wondered, in my own heart of hearts, what we're big foot? Let's say that's what it was, is a big foot saw the infrared in my camera and just linked it to the infrared ie on the game camera. That's the only thing I can think of for me to have done a misjuice to be like stopped like a wall was right there and I couldn't go past it, but I didn't dare go past it, and I felt the fright of it all. And that's say I'm so weird to have to say this when I've never been afraid in the forest ever. I lived in the forest my whole entire life in the wilderness, and I was never afraid. But this I was afraid of. So given that, I just respected it and went on about my business without going through that part of the forest. And it was that shortly after that that we were in bed and we had this

41:45 god awful screaming and howling in the undeveloped part of the forest right below our house. And this this yale scream was so incredible that you could feel the reverberation off of it, like like hitting like on the windows, is what it. It's hard, so hard to explain because it's like you feel it, but it's not like hitting me at it. But it's like the air was kind of pushing through our open bedroom window and it felt like it was like standing right out outside of there, and it it was so gigantic.

42:40 We've heard a lot of now that we're now watching about Bigfoot, we've heard several howls that sound exactly like that. And at first we're like, you know, what the heck is that? And then it it didn't happen again. It stopped and it was quiet. There wasn't anything making any noises out there. And about two minutes later I heard answer and it was the same exact how and it was like sounded through four canyons away, but it was loud enough that you could plainly hear that. It was exactly the same thing like somebody else had answered the one that had just yelled outside of our house.

43:40 So after that we kind of just hid our thing. We didn't try to make big issue out of it, we didn't try to go hunting for it. We just were minding our own business. We had been in the first days of being there. We had some apples and things that had kind of gone a little bit hinky, and we knew deer were there, so we set the apples out there and let the deer have them, and it only happened down again. We weren't trying to habituate anybody or anything. We were just not I mean, the chipmunks or the slugs or whoever wanted it could have it. And then we started later on, after the howling and things had happened, I started finding things on my porch. There was a shart of it wasn't china, it was stoneware with this very faint, old fashioned blue print on it. And there was a penny, and there were a couple of rocks and odd things, just odd things. And we'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. And the only reason I think that they had their hands on that type of thing is

45:14 because years ago there had been a house on that property and it had gotten all pushed in and kind of over into that undeveloped area. And honestly, we never went down there. The only thing I could assume is that those things were laying on the ground right there, and perhaps us, not knowing what we were doing, we were actually trading drink it for drinket or something with the big Foot, and I just kept all my husband, I said, oh, look at this, carries are coming out of our garden and leaving us things on our porch because we just weren't we weren't willing to actually accept that any of this could be big foot. We're just like, okay, you know, something really screamed, really really loud, like siren, and we're just going to keep on keeping on and not worry about it until we have to. Well, in two thousand and seventeen is when we knew we had to. And actually the scream was in two seventeen two, about May somewhere there, and in June, middle of June, we had been

46:46 away and we were coming home. It was about eleven thirty at night, and it was just clear as could be quiet, and we saw this weird weirdness almost to our house. It was probably five hundred yards as the crow flies from our house, and all we could ever express was this, this watery, this just weird, blurry, watery type of movement. And we kept saying, it looked like the predator. Did you ever see the predator?

47:35 And the only people we told at that time were our very best friends, and we were scared they wouldn't believe us. And we said, look, we saw this statement looked like the predator when it went through the forest, and it did until it came out in the headlights. And before it came out, actually we saw a deer run across the road, and we saw this glorus and then we saw, I think SI come out of the field. It took one giant step in the middle of the rogue. It turned at its waist and it looked at us. In its eyes were giant red like reflectors or coals or and and then it took another step. It slood on the margin of the the bank to the ditch line and went on up past the corner fence of our neighbors into our neighbor's field and was just gone like a deer, but at that time there's enough seconds there that you could see that it it was kind of a reddish color with a like a blonde color down its back, and it had like dreadlocks, and it had

49:07 like what did they call that mutton mutton chops, I think because of what they call it, And then the fuse brigs of hair on that one cheek that we could clearly see, and its hair was blawn, you know, it was like dreadlocks. And then its arms were it had longish hair on its arms and everything, and it was just unbelievable how it just disappeared right after it looked at us, it was just gone. So we went back the next day after we did the skin pitch test all night wondering what the heck we if we've really seen what we'd seen. We question ourselves sometimes we still question ourselves because it was two unbelievable what we saw. But there were actual tie marks in the mud on the edge of the ditch line where it had it dug in so deep that you could actually see the dampness and the dirt right there, and you could easily see that it was two prints.

50:22 And we went on up where we knew that it had gone to and we weren't clear, you know, that it totally had gone by the corner of our neighbor's fence. We didn't know that until the next day when we went back up there and we found two footprints in the grass. Of all things, nobody would believe that you could see big foot footprints in the grass, but honestly, it would had hit there and was heavy enough that it put a deep imprint into that grass, and so you could easily see right where it stepped twice, and then there were no more footprints to be found.

51:08 Whether it was gone into the old tree firm that was there, if it had just sprinted across the field, oh, we don't know. But we got pictures of that. Unfortunately, those pictures were lost in the cell phone that we took it with and we never did get to recover them. My husband does a lot of construction work. He knows measurements, and he said that it was easily post to nine feet tall. His chest was very thick.

51:57 We estimated probably two four foot you know across, and COO could guess and in the light of the car headlights how much it could have weighed. But it was. It was quite out. I mean it was built really strong. It looked like for me looking at how shiny and Nice's hair was, it looked like it wasn't It wasn't a juvenile, but it wasn't old.

52:37 And we just can't un see what we saw. And we want to try to share our story as best we could with the listeners, because it's a it's an important thing to think about. If you believe that you have one in your yard, or you believe you have one on your property, it just seems best to say that they can be very stealth. We know for a fact that with all of the smell through the forest that we were constantly being monitored. Maybe there was one, Maybe there were war What were the children lashing? What was all the gibberish? Was it Chinese and Japanese people walking and hiking through there with quick running? Who could say, but this is what we heard and experienced. And we feel that if we were paralleled through all of the trails, and if we were teased at Christmas time like we believe now we were, anybody could be grabbed at any time,

54:12 if that was the idea, or it could be the idea of something to be doing, especially when there's nobody else around. Just a couple of nights ago, we were watching one year Remembrance of carry Arnold. We just happened to come across Hidden Existence, and there was a gentleman on there that said, you need to be aware of Bigfoot because Bigfoot has one occupation and that is to survive, and to survive he has to be a killer. He is not just eating drubs and roots, that he is eating deer and other things, and that humans should be just as aware of the danger as any of the deer are. And that made a lot of sense, because at any one time, when we were busy with leaving a side by running, we could have never heard him sneak up on us. We never heard him when we knew they were there. We would hear the whistles when we knew they were there. When we were cooking. There was one whistle that was a constant whistle. It sounded like a bird, and I would whistle back

55:47 to it, thinking it was a bird, and we just would go it would whistle, I'd whistle, and then about I don't know a year, two years after we moved away from there, I told my husband, I said, you know the funny thing about that whistle and that bird? He said, yeah, I said, did you ever notice that there were no other birds whistling that way? There was only it and me. There were no other birds that sounded that way. And we'd heard about so many whistles from people on all the different Bigfoot shows that now we know that's probably what it was. There are so many things that we were so naive about.

56:39 We never thought about Bigfoot. We never watched the shows about Bigfoot until we moved away from there. And now it's been four years and we're still hearing people repeat things on the Bigfoot podcasts and ditty that we've said ourselves. It's it's like listening to our recording of ourselves over and over and over about the trauma, about the spookiness, the noises, to take out calls, to take eagle calls. It's it's unbelievable, what what can come to you this just long a time later, four years, I think, because a long time, and we weren't we were like traumatized then, but it seems like we're still traumatized trauma because now we have dreams about it that we never had before. So it's it's good too. Kind of listen to what everybody has to say, share your words and their experience with other people. Someday will get to the bottom of this. Someday we'll all know what it is.

58:14 And you know, Scott carpenters in heaven now, he knows. Probably he's probably got his answers. Jerry Armand's in heaven now too, probably the only ones with the answers right now that we're all hoping to get there, and we're all hoping to find out and find out in a scientific way without needing to take one of these creatures out. And I appreciate being and invited on the show to share my words and get my story out. Tell you thank you so much for sharing what you both experience. It's it's an incredible account.

59:06 Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about what you shared? I actually would love it, because, yeah, in trying to like not get too long and drawn out on everything there, I have a journal and I kind of tried to do a synopsis of the highlights and the things that I thought people would be interested and harriet about. You know, so if you can ask me questions, it might really help to get more more. Are the important things out? Yeah, just a few things that I'm kind of curious about. So when you had the sighting of the Bigfoot, were you able to get a really good look at its face? Then?

59:58 Yeah, it it had kind of a mud colored face. You know, in the headlights, it was hard to tell if it was gray or if it was kind of a color similar to its hair color. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors, because the headlights were glowing, glowing right on its face, but it seemed like it'd be if it was daylight, it would probably won't be more towards the gray it had. It had very a huge head, absolutely a huge head, and the eyes were spread quite far apart. And when I say they looked like coals, they were big like that, they were big, and they glowed the globus red. Is so weird how he kept saying it's the eyes, and I kept saying trying to say, no, it's just some reflectors down the road, and it wasn't, and I knew it wasn't, but it looked like very dark red and just kind of shined out like it just flowed from its center out getting like the orange color as it came out, and it

1:01:30 had more of it, and how in the quick look we had, I would say it wasn't ugly at all. It had more like they had the really deep the big brow ridge and the eyes were going so big you could you know, see down onto its cheeks a bit that it its mouth was just a slit. It just turned and it looked at us glare. It couldn't it couldn't turn its head. Its neck was really thick. It couldn't turn its head. So as it was stepping, it was you know, thrusting like the right arm up and it turned at the waist with its like its left arm was kind of behind it, and it turned at the waist, looked at us for half a second or something long enough, and it turned back and it took its other step, slid and was gone up into the darkness behind the tree trunks and into the field. And it wasn't you know, I can't say it was necessarily pretty, but I can't say that it was like something. I mean, I was in my car, you know, and it didn't look like an ugly monster. It just was a

1:03:05 tall, hairy creature with red blowing eyes that looked at us and kept on going, and we think what happened is I mean we saw cloaking or what now we assume is cloaking because of the words we heard that it was like predator moving and then it kept going what is that? What is that? And this deer came out and went across the road and it came out behind it, and we think it made a mistake and it just got caught in our headlights, which it wasn't expecting to do, and then it turned and looked at us and left. So I don't know. Does that answer question?

1:03:52 Yeah, that definitely does. If you had to classify the creature, would you put it more into category of something that was ape like or maybe something more human like based on what you saw its face. It's when it turned its face like its nose and it's cheek bulls and stuff looked more human not ape at it. I don't recall that it had the sagittal crest, that it was dark behind it, you know, we had the headlights on it. The hair would like I said, it was a long rock star like and harrowed away and it was like dreadlocks. But the rest of the body was shiny and clean. Its arms were huge, its thighs were huge.

1:04:46 It's from like the foot up to the knee wasn't really long. It was the length of its height I think would have come from the hip to the knee. That's how it looked like it was built in the best that I can describe from like I say, you know, in the headlights, it that side of it was like really long from the hip down to the knee, and the knee and the calfs that meet from the knee down to the to the feet, which I couldn't really see the feet, but the calf of the leg I remember, was like real like a rock in there or something, you know. And I suppose that's the muscle flex from the running. But we just know what's you know, kind of ingrained in our brain that it's something. Like I said, we can't see it, it's there, It's always going to be there. And a lot of the weird weirdness that happened was perfectly explainable once we saw it that night. Oh absolutely, Did you said that you saw it kind of go over to the neighbor's property. Did you ever go over and talk to the neighbors about it.

1:06:15 No, we never talked to anybody about it because we were because we saw something that our brains weren't ready to see, I think, and it was hard enough for us. I mean, we talked about it with ourselves over and over and over and over and trying to say, well, this was our reality. Is this what we saw? And we kept going over and over it. And the only people that we ever shared it with for these four years until we went and saw Cliffs. As you said in the introduction, we didn't tell anybody because we didn't trust that we wouldn't be ridiculed and give him our professions and this and that. We really didn't want to put ourselves out there that way. And our friends have been our best friends for years, so they believe this, and they're the only ones that we could ever really talk to. But we did get up enough courage to go over to the North American Bigfoot Museum. When Cliff first got that go on, it was when he was still breaking ground on the museum partment, had his

1:07:47 his gift shop opened, and they weren't really busy when we popped in that day and we said, hey, you know, we don't want to bother you. We felt shy about it that he was there, and he's the only one we knew that had been out there researching and had a life close enough to us that we could actually take our evidence to him and have him looked at it. And he looked at the footprint in the mud, and he could see that that the break was there, everything was there, and he said, yes, absolutely, in his educated mind, he believed that that was a big foot track, and he liked it well enough to ask us if he could please have a print of it so that he could frame it to put it in his museum, And which is what we granted, because we we wanted to let people know because we lived close enough to Mount Hood and close enough to the National Forest and so forth like that that you know, people you know, coming through anywhere in that part and they could see that footprint where it came from and so forth and have an idea that what's out there, you know. But we were very we've been very,

1:09:19 very secretive over our location because there's just too many people that want to find out and go where they've been sited, and in our case, it wouldn't have been a healthy thing for anybody to do, because you know, you can't get in the mix with woggers and logging equipment and things like that. It just wouldn't mix. So we've never disclosed the location. Our best friends new because they know where we lived, but we just we never had company. We did. We were just out in the woods, you know, friends came over. But yeah, so I I just hope with all my hopes that people if they if they see him, you know, don't try to chase them around, and just try not to get traumatized by him.

1:10:24 I think I have to say, you know, in the time after the fact we left there in twenty eighteen, that was kind of the gig was up for doing the project that we've been invited to be part of, for everything we were doing, and so we had we our gig was up, and we moved moved on with our fifth wheel. And in two thousand and twenty are we were caught up in the wildfires up there and in the area of the Calacamus River. And so I kind of believe that the two traumas together kind of have magnified a little bit to how we feel about you know, how we saw that the big Foot and then how we've now are kind of having to deal with it and the fire thing. I think the fire just kind of crashed into what we were already dealing with, you know that.

1:11:49 Trying to be realistic about everything. We're just working through it and listening to what we can find out, and we're sharing with you, and we shared with Cliff, and we feel like what we saw is what we saw. But you's you know, it doesn't matter. I'll tell you what, unless you're a courageous guy and you believe with all your heart they're not going to hurt yet if you see when, you're probably going to be doing a skin pinch test, just like who we are. Because it's still hard to believe that we saw it, you know, absolutely, And it sounds you get I agree, you have been through so much with both situations, but I'm it sounds like you are definitely starting to get a handle on what happened, and this is probably helping being able to talk about it as well.

1:12:46 There was another thing that you mentioned really quickly, and you talked about how you heard people at certain points or what sounded like people, and at one point you said it kind of sounded like maybe be a Chinese or Japanese language is so whenever you heard people was did it kind of sound like a language type like that type of language or yeah? Actually, actually there were a couple things that happened. I was down doing some photography and which I totally love to do that if I had it a day off from work and was on the job there, I'd go down and get a photography dinner. And I was down there, it was quiet. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society. After these words from our sponsors, everything stopped making a noise.

1:13:46 We had tree frogs and we had birds, everything. All of a sudden, everything went quiet, and somebody goes, Okay, oh my god, where's that. I looked all around and there was nothing there but my dog, who was my partner, was sitting there shivering like she was in an ice bath. And it created me out fu So I thought, okay, well, maybe we've just better wander on back up to our house. But yes, it sounded we had there was a creek there and so it and there were you know a lot of different foreign people would come to it.

1:14:32 Friends and friends knew that that place would they would allow when there weren't workers in there that they could walk through it or hike or whatever, that if you were near the crypt, you anybody speaking ely sure otherwise could sound really garbled. And so I just assumed that that's what it was. But we heard at night at dusk, just just before art, we could hear children playing down there. We could hear them laughing. We could go up onto this We were up on kind of a mountain, and there was this knoll there that we could get on. We could watch the sunset and sound carries up hill, and we could hear children down by the restrooms playing and giggling and laughing. And we'd get the side by side out and go down there to check to see what family was in there, and there was never anybody there. The same with the door to the privy slam bang, slam bang, and went down there to check nobody was there. Honest to goodness, nobody was there. I used to I have kind of the sixth cents about things, and I used to feel like I was being watch which a lot

1:16:04 of people do, you know, but I would feel it, particularly at night, and it used to feel like one of them was just sitting out there under a tree beside the house, and I know it could be my imagination, but that was when I started feeling. And then, of course, well my husband. I never brought this up in the story, but my husband we had three sum trees that have been growing there because of that at their home that had been there, and they were ancient because that place was ancient. And he found these plum trees. So he went out and cleaned up all around under him, and the next day he was going to go out and take him and this is God's truth. When he got out there, there was not one plump left on any of those three. He's not one. He said. What was on the ground had ants on it, but there were no good ones left in the tree at all. And it was the weirdest thing, you know. It was just something that we still talked about. How he prepared all of that to go pick the plums and there wasn't one left cleared to the top of the trees, which they're not real tall, but cleared to the top of the trees, you know.

1:17:28 And hearing falls going past our house, you know, and thinking somebody's come in there and they're messing around, and then he heard noise out there and he went out the door and I heard whatever it was take off it. It was going through the woods like crazy. You could feel it hit in the ground. And he came back in the house and they said, jeez. I said, I'd never take you hunting unless I had your dog the deer for me, because you made so much noise going through that brush that, you know, I could hear you all the way down to the road. So that wasn't me. He said, that was whatever would had been in the road or in the yard ahead to me going through there.

1:18:23 So whatever that was, only God knows. We're not going to try to label it. But you know, everybody says Bigfoot is quiet. Maybe he is, Maybe he isn't, maybe his part of the time, and maybe if he gets scared, he makes a lot of noise running away. You know, sure, yeah, but it you know, it happened. It's just it's just so it's so mysterious, and we keep saying why us. I mean, we weren't. We had no idea, we had no cove at all. We were I almost feel like I've had to tell the story backwards instead of saying, jeez, in two thousand and sec team we had this, you know, predator thing, and then this bigfoot, the deer chasing the deer and all this and blah blah blah. But no, you know, I feel like it's all backwards because how it started out, and how we never won time ever thought of a bigfoot, not what's and like I said, living in the wilderness like I did, I never I'd never thought about big foot at all. I mean, people were what you've looked out for. You didn't look out for the animals usually they are afraid of you. They minded their business, you minded yours and all that stuff, you know. And and then later since all of this, looking back onto

1:19:56 my experiences there, I know that there was big foot there too, and that makes me feel like I'm even crazier knowing that some of the noises and sounds I heard there were just exactly like what I've heard other people describe and heard the recordings that people have made, you know, and it's just it's just weird. But it's my experience and nothing happened to me, and I guess I'm richer for it that I had this experience in my husband and I had this experience, and you know, I went through all the things that some people go through like some people say, well they're from benefolent. Other people have other ideas, you know, about paranormal stuff. I I don't know what I want to think about it, But at one put point in my feelings about it, I was just like rebuking it because I didn't know if it was evil or if it was alien like anybody says, or if it was actual creature animal existence like Cliff and the researchers believe. There's all different thoughts on it. And I got to the point where it was kind

1:21:27 of bugging me so much. I just said, go away. I didn't see you. I don't want to know about you, you know. And my husband's not that way. I mean he'll sit and watch dixit stuff and and all that, you know, But you know, I don't. I don't think that I've ever been considered enough to think that we're the only thing human and animals are the only thing that exists in this world that you know, we have odd things. We're fine, the new animals, new creatures, and even hidden primitive people's in different jungles of the world where they're discovering that there's these these natives that live there in their tribe and nobody ever saw and their whole life, you know, so we would be remiss to think that we were had all the answers and we're the only you know, hotshots on that. Absolutely we need to be you know, able to admit that there might be something else that we quite don't know about yet. And uh, yeah that's a good place. Yeah it will be exciting too. I mean, you know, we've found hair and stuff like that, but we never put it up to anything more than getting We never thought bigfoot no way,

1:23:02 shape or form, you know nothing. But you know, things get I mean, things get mistaken for hair all the time, like that black moss that hangs out of the trees. I mean as a kid, we used to call it which which is hair? You know, so it could have easily been that. Most of the time, I just poopooed things like that if my husband brought them to me, because you know, I lived with wildlife before and and understand a lot of things that I've studied a lot, and I just don't no, no, it's not that. And it's not to say I'm a non believer. It's just to say that I'm a realist. And if it doesn't look real, then I'm not going to say it is real, you know. And that's the same as it is with Bigfoot. We don't know what Bigfoot is yet. And that's why I stayed away from most of the face book pages, because I hear all kinds of things that for me, they don't fit my reality of what is you know, Like, I don't think it's some fairytale thing, you know. And people can have their own opinion, and that's cool, you know, they can believe what they want to believe and find find their answers the way they want to find their answers. And we're still looking. I mean, we're still looking for an answer. We're waiting for ChIL, Jeff mel German,

1:24:36 some of them, Cliff, I mean, he has a special place up on mouth Hood. We're waiting waiting for those guys to say, hey, guess what you know? Oh absolutely, I think I think a lot of us are for sure. But heay, this has been just an incredible chat of I mean, such a long period that you were out out there and thank you for sharing it on the show. I think a lot of people are going to be able to take this information and maybe unlock some memories of their own with it. So thank you so much for coming on, and thank you for inviting me. And you know, I hope the fewer good listeners will be kind and and understand that this has been a very dramatic thing.

1:25:28 And I just say happy trails to everybody out there in their search and opening their minds to what's going on. And I thank you very very much for inviting me on. It was my pleasure to stumble through it and try to do my desk. And we'll be listening to you because we really, we really are fans. You're a big for Society. Art goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping.

1:26:30 I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening