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Sept. 6, 2026

A Bigfoot Appeared on a Road That Wasn’t There Near Oakridge, Oregon

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Season 1

Ronnie Roseman returns to Bigfoot Society with new details from one of Oregon’s most intense Sasquatch research areas near Oakridge.


Ronnie shares reports of strange structures hidden along remote trails, unsettling vocalizations from the bottoms, a meadow covered in Bigfoot tracks measuring up to 23 inches, and encounters where multiple unseen creatures appeared to position themselves around researchers.


He also reveals one of the strangest experiences he has ever kept private: a possible Bigfoot standing on a distant dirt road that Ronnie and Duane watched for roughly 15 minutes. When they returned weeks later, the road itself appeared to be gone.


This episode goes deep into decades of field experience, aggressive nighttime encounters, Sasquatch behavior, and the questions Ronnie still cannot answer.

Resources:

Original Ronnie Roseman episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qr8FTbA0p0

Bigfoot and Two Steps Beyond, Volume One: https://www.amazon.com/Bigfoot-Steps-Beyond-Ronnie-Roseman-ebook/dp/B0HCM75L4T/



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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible.

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From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms

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and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere, and each

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one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are

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the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle

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in because today you'll hear another account that just might

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change the way you see the woods forever. So stay

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with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he

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continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his

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medical journey, please go to the CaringBridge link in the

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show notes. Thank you.

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And this is taped anyway, right?

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Yeah, it's prerecorded, so I edit everything.

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Yep.

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Okay. Dude, thank you so much for coming on the

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show again. We are talking to Mr. Ronnie Roseman today.

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Some people know him as Ronald Roseman, but most people

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know him as Ronnie Roseman out there in Oak Ridge, Oregon.

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How are you doing today, sir?

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Oh, relative to what? I don't feel like I'm 40

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or 50 years old anymore.

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Dude, I'm 40-something years old.

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Yeah, well, you're young. Oh, true. I could be your grandpa. Yeah.

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But anyway, my old age, I've had to cut down

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on my drinking because I can't handle it. I can't

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walk as well. Oh, really?

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Like I used to in my younger days. Oh, that's

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all right. You know, that's okay to do some health stuff.

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I love drinking. I hated to quit it. I know.

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I had to, too. I had to, too. But it's

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because of the health thing. I only got to really

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for a year, so it wasn't a big deal, but Um,

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so the main, the main reason I wanted to make

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sure that we got you on because, so I just finished,

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you got your first book out big foot in two

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steps beyond volume one, dude, it's really good. Um, I

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just want to talk about a few reasons why I

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really like it real quick.

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Okay.

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So you have a really good way of writing. Uh,

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there's a lot of details that are not really, they

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didn't really come out in the, like, people have heard

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your interviews on Bigfoot Society. And you're going to find

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out more about the Greenwell expedition for sure, big time.

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And there was some few things I learned about your

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research area in Oak Hole and stuff in Oak Ridge

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that was really cool. There's also a really interesting story

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at the end. I'm not going to give it away

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because people really need to get your book. I'd recommend it.

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But there's a very interesting story with Kwani Lapseritis at

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the end that I'd never heard before. I didn't even

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know you guys had a connection. And that is a

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fascinating story.

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I forgot I put that in there. Yeah, right.

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So, I mean, that alone is pretty cool to read.

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Listeners need to check that out. But, man, how was

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it putting that book together? How was that process for you?

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A nightmare. You know, I've never written anything other than

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a couple of articles or something. No, that's a monumental task.

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There's so much editing. It's not just, you know, I'm

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thinking in my head, well, I can maybe have to

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do a little editing or whatever, but I can go

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over it. I got a pretty good memory. And I

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can go over it. And I got a few notes

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and stuff, but I figured I could go through it. No,

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I can add it 20 times and then I go

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over it.

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Yeah, that looks fine.

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And then a few weeks later or a month later,

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I look at it. No, I need to kind of

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add something in there that I didn't put in there

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or take something out. Then I got a word problem.

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I don't know the meanings of a certain word to

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describe certain situations. You know, you're because I like to

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write where somebody reading it, they can feel like they're

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on scene, like they're there. Right. The way I like

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to do it. And I don't know how to describe

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certain things. I got tributaries down and stuff like that

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and things, but there's certain situation locations that you really

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need to be a writer to put it in. But I,

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I got it ironed out and I did it, but

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a lot more difficult for me probably than, than average writer,

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you know?

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Well, I mean, you can tell you put the time

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into it and I'm surprised there's some stuff you put

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in there. I mean, we have talked for hours at

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the bar in Oak Ridge and just shooting the breeze.

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And I've heard, I've heard the stories, right? And so

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I've always wondered, okay, when he gets that first book out,

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is he going to put some of this stuff in there?

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And like, you put some stuff in there. I was like, wow,

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he is really like, You're getting the whole story. So

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I was like, hats off to you, man. And that's

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with both the Greenwell expedition and the Oak Ridge stuff.

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It's pretty cool.

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Yeah, yeah, that expedition, that was generous. But you have

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to read it. Yeah, it was worthwhile putting in there.

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And that was actually my first expedition as far as

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Bigfoot's concerned. And that was in 1999. So that's late

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in life for me. So, you know, I was more

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of a, I'm more of a dreamer than a doer.

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And I, uh, I just didn't get, and Bigfoot was

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always on my mind. I was, uh, obsessed with it,

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you know, from an early age, like I said, last

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time on the show, uh, I started at eight, you know, nine,

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actually nine years old, but I got hit in the

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bottom of snowman when I was eight and then Bigfoot

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came on the scene, but I, I always had it

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in the back of my mind. And when I was out,

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You know, collecting snakes, that's what I did for years.

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I really enjoyed it. It's like therapy. But I always

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had the monsters on my mind. But, you know, I

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didn't plan on really having any events or anything. Anything

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major took me out here to Oak Ridge. And then, boy,

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that stuff happened. I know it. It just opened my

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eyes up to several levels up. These things are incredible things.

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It just blows your mind. I just– because you can't

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ever get it out of your head.

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No, you can't. You can't at all. You mentioned– because, yeah,

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you do have a love for reptiles, which is a

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whole– I mean, other discussion in itself, and it sounds

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like that will be coming out in Volume 2. Is

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that right? When you go to the Honey Island Swamp Monster?

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Oh, the Swamp Monster, yeah, but not that I'm going

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to be getting into snakes. Oh, okay. No, these books

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that I'm doing, I would like to do an autobiography-like

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thing in my life. I mean, it's really interesting. I

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get to drink, and I get talking about people's– To me,

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it's like normal. But to other people, my life has

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not been normal.

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It's a wild one.

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And people are, but I never thought of it that way.

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You know, I've done a lot of crazy stuff. And

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then my whole family history. My granddad, I seen him

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once when I was five years old. He was 93

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years old.

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And he had a cane.

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And we had a big family in Southern California, my

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aunt's house. They had a big breakfast, biscuits and gravy

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and everything and bacon. And everybody after breakfast retired, they

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went into the living room. I was sitting at the

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kitchen table watching my grandpa. And he was looking at

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that skillet on the stove. And it was half inch

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of grease on it. And that thing, he walked over

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and drank it all. Oh my goodness. I never, I

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never forgot that. It's like, that's wild. Yeah. He came

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from Germany and, uh, he ended up on, uh, uh,

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in Carolina, the mountains. And, uh, he ended up kind

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of being like a mountain man, but he, uh, you know,

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in the mountains, he rented, he met some Cherokees and

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he ended up living with them and married, uh, a

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Cherokee maiden on the reservation. Then my ancestry goes from there.

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His offspring were hillbillies, had their stills and stuff. And, uh, uh,

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revenues would go looking for those stills and they didn't

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come back out of the mountains. Right. And, uh, My

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dad was telling me about him. My mom told me

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that she said that, says, you're dad. She said, I

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asked him if I could, every year he goes to

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see his kinfolk in the mountains in Carolina, and I

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never get to go with him. He goes once a

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year on a holiday, he'll go back and visit. And

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he told her, he says, I can't take you. If

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I took you, they would keep you. Wow. You're too pretty.

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I would never be able to get you out. There's

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like nothing I could do about it. They would just

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keep you. If that was the truth, it was like... Yeah.

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So anyway, I don't want to talk about the whole

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life's history, but there's some interesting stuff.

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I mean, the family history probably could be a book

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in itself, I would imagine.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a different podcast for sure. Yeah.

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So how about this? So we haven't really talked since–

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had a good chat since last week. not this last

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july but july of 2025 when i was last out

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there and then health issues i couldn't make it 2026

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working through that right now hopefully be back next year

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if i have anything to do with it i'll be

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there so yeah since the last time we talked which

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was july 2025 Has there been any cool Bigfoot-related adventures

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that you've had or anything like that with the research

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area or just Ronnie getting into crazy adventures in Oak Ridge?

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Well, nothing earth-shattering, but there's been a few things. It's

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been a little while back now, but not too far, but.

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And as a fellow, he came in, gosh, it might

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be two years now, a year and a half when

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he came to Oak Ridge to see the museum. And he, gosh,

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about several hundred dollars worth of stuff. He's got money

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and stuff. And money means something. Doesn't mean you're a

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bad guy, you know. But anyway, he's important. And he

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was at the festival. And he's Russian. I took him

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up there. And we looked around and there's one structure.

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It's a crude structure. And something made it. And it

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wasn't a person. And then he found another one when

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we were going back in that area and found another one.

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And then this Russian guy, he went up there and

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he stayed all night. And he went down in the bottoms.

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By himself?

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I know that's a sin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know.

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He wanted me to go. I didn't. But I was

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working on a bug. I was trying to get the

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freaking thing done.

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This was 2025 or 24?

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Sorry. Oh, just a couple of months ago or so.

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Oh, okay. Continue.

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So he went down in there and he told me,

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he said, it's scary down there. And he told me,

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he heard some sounds that was strange. And I asked him...

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and he repeated them the best he could. And I

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have no doubt these things were there and they let

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him know because that's an area that's sensitive to them.

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There's no place to set up a tent even down

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in there so thick.

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Why do you think it's sensitive to them?

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I think because, well, it's off the beaten path. And

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a good part of it is swamp. And then old

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growth you can see forever going down into the ravine

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or whatever off in the distance. And there's nobody, no

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place to set up camp. We set up camp. That's

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the first place when we were doing recon the first time.

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It was that area. It's got a creek and it's

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got swamp cabbage. And I think they eat swamp cabbage.

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But I mean... the available food supply has got to

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be good. And, you know, it's their area. In fact,

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I told Dwayne when we were there, when we went

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down in that area, looking at all this, and you

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just got the feel for it, too. I mean, it's

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a primitive feeling. And I said, I think maybe this

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is a good place to camp. There was a dry

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spot because it was summer. And part of the swamp

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where the swamp would be normally was a big grassy area.

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And so we went and got our stuff and set

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up camp that night there. I said, you know, I

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think we may get some visitors here. It's like we'll

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be sleeping in their kitchen. And we did. I don't

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know what all I mentioned the last time on the show,

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but I did leave part of this out. I listened

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to the show that was on the first one.

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Episode 420.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And yesterday, I hadn't heard it for years.

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Oh, wow.

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In fact, the first time I heard it, the first

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10 minutes, I shut it off. I didn't listen to

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it for six months because I couldn't stand myself. God,

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I sounded horrible, you know, and I was embarrassed, actually.

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And then you put that monster up there where I'm

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looking up at it and saying, I'm staying even if

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you tear me apart.

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It's one of my favorite interviews, Ronnie. It really is.

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It's so good.

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But, you know, I lived through it, and I got

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a different vibe off of it last night. That's an

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interesting story. Actually, it wasn't too bad. But at first,

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I was... And then that monster, I'm thinking, people, especially

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if they know it, they'll look at that, yeah, I'm

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going to fight a monster or something. I thought, I

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didn't know what to think of that. But it was

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like that. I mean, you know... i i was terrified

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and i was going to stay i made up my

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mind i explained that how you know part of me

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was saying run and the other part saying no you

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got to stay here this is what you're for right

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and so you either steal up and you do it

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or you run and uh so i i'm i'm steeled

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up and that's when i thought to myself uh i'm

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staying even if they tear me apart i had to

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go all the way mentally And that's what I did.

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I was still enough. Yeah, I'm staying. He didn't tear

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me apart. And then that's when that other sound came

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in there. Like I said, that growling sound like almost

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like a machine.

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Right.

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And it was so freaking loud. And I thought, this

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guy means business. It's like he was reading my mind.

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Like I'm going to stay in here with the terrier part.

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And this guy's like saying we can accommodate you.

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I noticed that in your book that I, so I just,

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you know, I've been working on it the last few

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days and I noticed that and I was like, that's

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a new detail. So is that something that you actually,

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it's just the vibe you were getting from whatever it

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was there or?

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Well, I don't know, but that's one coincidence. As soon

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as I was thinking, I'm staying even if you tear

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me apart. And then that comes in, joins in immediately

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after I thought that. With the other sounds, four or

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five of them, you know, like the monkeys going crazy

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in a frenzy or some chimpanzees and then the owl

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and the coyote and the raven. And they're mad. I mean,

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it's not like normal coyotes and owls and ravens. These

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are like pissed off, you know, animals. And it was

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already extremely loud. And then this thing comes in just

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as loud, if not even drowning it out a little bit.

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I mean, I just wish I had a recording so

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that people wouldn't believe it. But yeah, that was horrifying.

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I changed my mind real quick. And that's when I

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walked around to the car slowly, and I opened the

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door and got in, and they were still going at it.

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But as soon as I touched that door to close it,

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they silenced. They all shot up at the same time.

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Exactly, which I always thought is fascinating. And the whole

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account— so really, you can listen to episode 420, but definitely

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get the book because there's more— There's more details to

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it because of the way you write, and it's very,

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very interesting to read it and also to listen to

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it come together. Have you been up to the area

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recently in the last few months?

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No. Oh, really? Well, yeah, maybe within the last, you know,

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within two months or so, yeah, I've been up there.

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And nothing happened. I did a little walking around there.

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You know, my thing was, after I got these things,

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after being run out of there twice, for the first time,

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we attempted it. And then that was during the night.

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And we didn't think we were going to live. I mean,

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for real. Poor Dwayne, you know, he's a tough fella

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and been up there camping for over 40 years, and

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I've told you, he's been charged by grizzly bears twice,

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and it didn't even bother him. Right. Because he's going

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to drop them at a certain point, but they were

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bluff charges, so the bears were lucky. I mean, he's

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a tough fella, and he still hasn't got over that night.

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It's been several years. So, yeah, it was profound, intense, intense.

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We did not think we were going to live, especially

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that one that, well, all of it. For an hour

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and a half, they terrorized us. And that one was

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charging the tent. He'd run at the tent and stop

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right on a dime and turn around and run back.

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He did that every once in a while while they're

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screaming and hollering right behind our tent. And you could

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tell they're going back and forth. They were pissed, excited,

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and running back and forth and hollering and then charging.

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And then we had a brace, like I said on

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that show, I believe, every time it'd run, it'd stop

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right at the edge. It's like that foot was hitting

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right at the edge of the tent. And then it'd

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turn around so quick and back. But every time, I

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just braced for impact because I thought, sure, that thing,

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sooner or later, it's going to come right on through

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and take us, the tent, and everybody with it. That's

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the way he felt.

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It really is. Ronnie, man, the one time that I've been,

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I would say viscerally scared is the time in 24

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when we heard the roars from the woods and I

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have never reacted to, and I was like, I don't

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know what's happening. This is crazy. And it was like,

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but yeah, you're right. If, if you're in that situation,

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you need to, and you want to like have an encounter,

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you need to push through that fear. And that's something

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I need to, I need to work on personally to

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get through it.

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Right. That's not easy. No. And especially if you're kind

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of a chicken, I like me, you know, I ain't

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no big, brave guy going out there, I guarantee you.

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If I hadn't been obsessed with this subject for so long,

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I don't think I ever would have come near doing

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what I did. It took everything I had. But, you know,

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and then twice, but I felt bad and And because Dwayne,

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after that was over, he said he's never going back.

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He said that the first time, the second time too.

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And he's told me, he says, I never had any

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problem with it until it took you up there. Yeah,

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that's funny.

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That's funny.

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I felt bad about it. And I ruined it for him.

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You know, he loved camp. He used to skip school.

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in Oak Ridge and hike up there and, and, and.

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Hunt all day.

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I mean, he loved the area and he still does,

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but he can't go up there because of that night,

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especially stay all night. He's nervous in the daytime. Well, yeah.

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I mean, you get into this, this field and it

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opens your eyes as to what's really going on out in,

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in the woods in some places. And it's just, it's

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a whole different story, you know?

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Yeah.

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But you know, I, I've learned so much. I wouldn't

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give that up.

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I went through up there for anything. I know. The

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more you learn about these things, like anybody will say,

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the less you know. I mean, there's so many questions.

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And I witnessed them doing so many things. And I've

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seen them on their best behavior and their worst. And,

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you know, which reminds me, there's some mistakes in that book.

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And I thought I had them straightened out, I'm pretty sure,

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over the phone. And they were not corrected. So I

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want to just announce that now. One is the Greenwell

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expedition in 99. It says the last expedition that was done.

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He was dying on that expedition. But it was 2005.

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And I got down there 2025.

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Oh yeah. I noticed that.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but that's, yeah, it's a simple.

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I hate that, but it is what it is. It

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is too late. I, I thought I corrected it. I,

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they say I didn't. And anyway, it's there. And then

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there was another one in there. There, there's a few

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little things like that.

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It's totally out there. Uh, I know I get you.

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And I, and I put a, put a night in

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there that, uh, somewhere in there that, uh, I've seen them, uh,

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or been with them where they're, uh, from benign to

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the benevolent and well, benevolent, it should have been malevolent from, Oh, right. Yeah.

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That's true. There's a few things in there, but I

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hope that doesn't take notice to too many.

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I don't think that'll take away from it too much.

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I mean, people can look past that. So let's talk

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about a Sasquatch summer fest for 2025 for a bit. Um, actually, um, 2026,

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my bad this year. So, uh, I know you always

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have some great conversations just talking to people at the festival.

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Were you able to have any good chats or did

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you hear of anyone having any encounters off by themselves

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in the woods when they're camping out and stuff like that?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was interesting. I didn't

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go with them. Bill Morris, he said that when he

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was coming into Oak Ridge, I guess it was about

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10 miles before you get here, He said he went

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up in an area and looked around a little bit,

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and he says he heard him, and they were close

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by and mixed some racket or something. And then I

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think it was that night, because he said it, gosh,

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I forget what he said. It must have been the daytime.

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And anyway, Kyle McDonald, the free spirit.

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Yeah, Kyle's a great guy.

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Yep. I like it. But he, yeah, he does what

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he wants to do. He don't care what anybody thinks

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or not. He's kind of like a younger Ronnie.

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He's a younger version of you, Ronnie, really, is how

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I look at it. He kind of is.

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I don't know if I was that crazy. All right.

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Just kidding.

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No, but, no, maybe, maybe in some ways I think

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he is.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he reminds you of me, but I like him.

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But anyway, he turned on her, The story Bill was

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standing there talking about, they went out that night and

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Kyle told me that they've seen tracks, even a young one. Oh, wow. Yeah,

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that was with him.

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I've been trying to get Kyle on the show. Hopefully

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it will happen. I know it will. It's just he's

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a busy guy and, you know, schedules are schedules. But

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I'd love to talk to him again. Now, that reminds me, Ronnie,

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because a while ago we had talked and I was like, man,

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I got it. I got to get you to share

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about that on the show, because there was one time

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that you and Kyle went up to the Oak Hole

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research area. And can you share? Can you share about

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those times? I know when I asked you, you're kind

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of you talk to Kyle. It's it's it's hard to

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talk to Kyle. Is there anything you can share about

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what happened when you guys went up there and played

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guitar and things like that?

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From my memories, I don't think there was anything dramatic

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at all. I played the guitar. He had his bass.

458
00:26:30.529 --> 00:26:35.529
He really enjoyed it. I wish he came back more

459
00:26:35.549 --> 00:26:37.170
and we'd go up there and do that. I like

460
00:26:37.190 --> 00:26:41.529
doing that. Being up there just playing. Sometimes you get

461
00:26:41.569 --> 00:26:47.319
their attention. But I don't remember anything really happening. And

462
00:26:47.380 --> 00:26:54.000
we were up there twice anyway. And Kyle, I'm not

463
00:26:54.079 --> 00:27:00.089
into the woo like he is. And he notices all

464
00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:02.289
that kind of stuff because that's what he's into. And

465
00:27:03.130 --> 00:27:08.089
things that are odd and structured are just things out

466
00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:12.390
of place where I would never see anything. But he's

467
00:27:12.410 --> 00:27:15.920
so into it. And we really kind of a divide

468
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.079
there because I try to like stay more down to earth.

469
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:23.420
But he's really into it, which is all right. There's

470
00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:28.089
something that I did happen that me and Dwayne both

471
00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:32.490
witnessed up there. It's so far out.

472
00:27:33.269 --> 00:27:35.720
And this is new. So this is this is new.

473
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:36.140
You're saying.

474
00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:38.720
That's something I have not mentioned.

475
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:39.180
Okay.

476
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.039
I don't think I've told you about this.

477
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.700
You've referred to this?

478
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.500
Not on the radio.

479
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.789
You've referred to it, and you're like, I just have

480
00:27:45.849 --> 00:27:48.589
never shared it on your show. And, yeah, if you

481
00:27:48.650 --> 00:27:50.650
feel like it's a good time to share it, feel

482
00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:51.099
free to do so.

483
00:27:51.109 --> 00:27:53.809
Well, I'm going to do it because it happened. Yep, yep.

484
00:27:54.069 --> 00:27:58.980
And I was almost embarrassed. I just didn't put it out.

485
00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:03.200
I've got one incident up there that cannot be explained.

486
00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:03.680
Hmm.

487
00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:06.950
And if I didn't have a witness, Dwayne, I wouldn't

488
00:28:07.089 --> 00:28:09.130
mention it at all. I think there must have been

489
00:28:09.210 --> 00:28:12.559
something wrong with me at the time or something. But

490
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.599
we were on a recon thing down in the bottoms.

491
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:23.480
And we were coming up towards the metal side. We

492
00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:28.480
had never went out that way. I hadn't. And we,

493
00:28:29.259 --> 00:28:32.819
on the way up the mountain, There was a downed

494
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.279
tree in front of us, kind of a pathway with

495
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:40.980
less obstacles and brush and stuff so we could hike.

496
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.559
And this tree, it was huge. It must have been

497
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.200
five feet off the ground or four foot or whatever.

498
00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:55.059
And it had enough room underneath for me to go underneath.

499
00:28:55.099 --> 00:28:57.720
But Dwayne can't do that. He's got this bad back. Oh, yeah.

500
00:28:58.670 --> 00:29:02.069
and the tree went into the shrubs and the thickets

501
00:29:02.250 --> 00:29:05.849
on both ends. So we were negotiating how to get

502
00:29:05.869 --> 00:29:08.509
the heck out of there around that. And so we

503
00:29:08.529 --> 00:29:13.240
took a break and, uh, I'm looking at, there's a

504
00:29:13.299 --> 00:29:18.400
ravine to the right and thick trees, you know, and, uh,

505
00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:26.509
I'm looking and Dwayne's, uh, He's got his back to

506
00:29:26.549 --> 00:29:28.930
me about 10 feet away, the other way, looking around.

507
00:29:30.430 --> 00:29:35.930
And I see a road. It's a dirt road. And

508
00:29:35.970 --> 00:29:39.549
it goes right up and looks like it goes over

509
00:29:39.589 --> 00:29:46.519
the mountain. And in the center, looks like probably about

510
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.460
500 feet away or whatever. It looks like a Bigfoot

511
00:29:49.539 --> 00:29:55.859
standing there. And on the edges of the road, you

512
00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:01.140
could see the... uh, the limbs or whatever, the grass

513
00:30:01.180 --> 00:30:03.299
or whatever, the stuff growing in the limbs from the

514
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.559
trees swaying like a breeze. And this thing is perfectly stoic.

515
00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:13.799
It's dead still. It is not moving. It's got the head.

516
00:30:13.819 --> 00:30:17.170
It's got the shoulders. It looks like the arms coming

517
00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:24.190
down and the legs. And it's just standing there. And

518
00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:27.599
I called Dwayne, I get his attention. I said, Dwayne,

519
00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:29.220
come here and take a look. I didn't tell him

520
00:30:29.259 --> 00:30:32.900
what I saw. I just wanted his, what he thought.

521
00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:35.440
I said, take a look at this. What do you think?

522
00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:39.779
He says, that looks like a Bigfoot. I said, yeah,

523
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:44.519
it does, doesn't it? And we must have stayed there

524
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.920
15 minutes watching it. Because, you know, pareidolia or whatever

525
00:30:48.940 --> 00:30:52.059
you call it, could be a stump, you know, at

526
00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:55.289
the distance. Man, it was the only thing in that road.

527
00:30:56.150 --> 00:31:00.910
Right in the middle. It did not move. So we left.

528
00:31:02.950 --> 00:31:04.269
When did that happen again?

529
00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:10.700
Sorry. That happened. Well, that happened. Let's see. Yeah, before that,

530
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.359
we had that exciting night.

531
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:14.740
Okay.

532
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:20.079
It was before that. And a couple of weeks later,

533
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.940
we're hiking out of there. And we're at the same spot.

534
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:28.160
And Dwayne's off, he's got his back to me, same thing.

535
00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:33.700
And I'm looking for that road. It ain't there. There's

536
00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:38.539
nothing but pine trees or tall, thick trees all the

537
00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:40.980
way through there. There's no way to see a road

538
00:31:41.019 --> 00:31:44.920
if there was a road. The road was not there.

539
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.049
So I said, Dwayne, come here and take a look

540
00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:52.450
at this. He walks over. I didn't say anything. He

541
00:31:52.490 --> 00:31:57.819
walked over and looked and he says, That's strange. And

542
00:31:58.579 --> 00:32:01.240
we have not talked about it. We haven't mentioned it

543
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:04.059
for years here. About three weeks ago, I mentioned it

544
00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:07.019
because I don't get it out of my mind. I

545
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.559
don't know how to deal with it. And I asked Dwayne,

546
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.660
I said, what do you think about that road we saw?

547
00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:18.200
He says, I don't think about it.

548
00:32:19.329 --> 00:32:19.869
Wow.

549
00:32:19.990 --> 00:32:23.009
Yeah. Yeah. How did that happen?

550
00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:25.000
Man, that's weird as I'll get out.

551
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:26.940
There's no way to see a road. It was thick

552
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.539
trees all the way through. There was no way to

553
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.839
see anything through those trees. That road was there. We

554
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.180
could see it through. The trees were not there. We

555
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:36.000
could see that road.

556
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.130
So it's not that you guys got scared or anything.

557
00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:41.049
It's just like you looked at it for a long

558
00:32:41.089 --> 00:32:44.089
time and you're like, well, time to go is kind

559
00:32:44.109 --> 00:32:44.950
of what it sounds like to me.

560
00:32:45.130 --> 00:32:48.210
Well, yeah, we could stand there all day. We don't know.

561
00:32:48.230 --> 00:32:51.720
It sure looked like a Bigfoot standing there. But the road....

562
00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:54.240
It wasn't there.

563
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:01.119
We both saw it. That just boggles my mind. I

564
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.549
know it boggles his mind so much. He don't even

565
00:33:03.650 --> 00:33:07.269
think about it. There's nothing you can do with it.

566
00:33:08.829 --> 00:33:10.589
You can't go anywhere with it. What are you going

567
00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:10.970
to do?

568
00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:11.859
Man, that's so strange.

569
00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:14.619
I had got to go into the... you'd have to

570
00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:16.960
go into the woo stuff. And I've been fighting that

571
00:33:17.029 --> 00:33:17.970
for a long time.

572
00:33:18.049 --> 00:33:20.849
So that's a, that's a fun, that might be a

573
00:33:20.869 --> 00:33:25.150
fun conversation. Why are you fighting that Ronnie? I'm just curious.

574
00:33:25.170 --> 00:33:26.109
I'm really just curious.

575
00:33:27.049 --> 00:33:32.170
Because it just gives me mental indigestion. I, I, I

576
00:33:32.230 --> 00:33:35.529
don't know where to go with it. There's, how do

577
00:33:35.549 --> 00:33:38.829
you even start to explain that? Unless you're going to

578
00:33:38.869 --> 00:33:41.890
get into the woo and other dimensions and stuff. I,

579
00:33:43.349 --> 00:33:45.710
And that's speculation. You don't know how you're going to

580
00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:47.259
ever answer that.

581
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.940
So is it like a thing where it's self-protection for

582
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:55.460
yourself or you just literally.

583
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.849
Don't want to go down the rabbit hole? I'm the

584
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.569
kind of guy, if I got a problem, I like

585
00:34:02.589 --> 00:34:03.990
to work on it and I'll work on it the

586
00:34:04.029 --> 00:34:07.009
rest of my life. I'll take breaks, but it'll bother me.

587
00:34:07.029 --> 00:34:09.429
I get it. And I start getting into that stuff.

588
00:34:09.449 --> 00:34:11.570
Then I got to get into the other stuff that's

589
00:34:11.630 --> 00:34:16.369
over my head, like Ron Moorhead's into all the frequencies.

590
00:34:16.690 --> 00:34:18.590
Frequencies, quantum Bigfoot.

591
00:34:18.889 --> 00:34:22.679
You know, quantum Bigfoot and all that stuff. And that's

592
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.920
a whole nother freaking level. You know, that's like going

593
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:34.340
into algebra from simple math or something. And it just

594
00:34:34.429 --> 00:34:37.409
overwhelms me just to start to try to come up

595
00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:38.909
with an answer I'm.

596
00:34:38.849 --> 00:34:43.190
Just overwhelmed I get it I get it yeah um

597
00:34:43.389 --> 00:34:45.739
yeah I think I think personally I think there's something

598
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:48.519
to it yeah I think there's something to it but

599
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.420
it's it's wild stuff man I mean I don't know

600
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.840
if we'll ever get the full answer but I mean

601
00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:56.599
I've experienced weird stuff out.

602
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.530
There I think we'll have to die and go into

603
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:02.869
another dimension before we understand any of that stuff I

604
00:35:03.070 --> 00:35:05.869
uh I don't know how you could ever answer that

605
00:35:05.889 --> 00:35:09.940
I uh but like i said you know searching and

606
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.320
there's people a lot better at this than i am

607
00:35:12.380 --> 00:35:15.800
especially at that next level which i think ron moorhead

608
00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:18.860
is really at absolutely uh i think he's on the

609
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.800
level where he should be going but that's i i

610
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:30.409
read two pages on that uh uh uh quantum fizzy

611
00:35:30.469 --> 00:35:34.670
stuff and and i'm dizzy my mind just can't can't

612
00:35:34.730 --> 00:35:37.440
get into it and it So that's why I just

613
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.420
got to leave it alone. But I'm open to the possible,

614
00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:42.610
a lot more possibilities.

615
00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:47.469
Okay. So that's interesting. So you're, let me just clarify that.

616
00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:50.050
So you are open to weird stuff, but you don't

617
00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:51.789
get into it because you know what it would do

618
00:35:51.809 --> 00:35:53.190
to you. And you're like, I just don't want to

619
00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:53.710
go down the road.

620
00:35:54.250 --> 00:35:56.219
When you witness it, what are you going to do?

621
00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:57.780
Yeah, exactly. You can't shut it out.

622
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:03.059
No, no, you can't. I don't have to think about

623
00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:06.800
it all the time. It'd drive me crazy. But, uh,

624
00:36:06.940 --> 00:36:10.239
if I wouldn't have mentioned at all, if witness, uh,

625
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.559
if not witnessed by Dwayne and he's a straight up guy,

626
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:18.199
there's no way that guy ain't going to tell a lie. No, never.

627
00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:19.579
No, he won't.

628
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:23.260
And he, he witnessed it and he knows he's seen it,

629
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:26.050
but I think he's got the same problem I have.

630
00:36:26.110 --> 00:36:28.829
It's just, it's just mind boggling. What are you going

631
00:36:28.849 --> 00:36:31.869
to do with it? But, uh, And if I had

632
00:36:31.909 --> 00:36:34.570
never him, I wouldn't even be saying it now because

633
00:36:34.630 --> 00:36:37.090
I think, well, maybe I, you know, at that time,

634
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:42.409
maybe it wasn't correct. Maybe I was busy or something.

635
00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.409
I don't know. But I can't deny it with him

636
00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:46.130
as a witness.

637
00:36:46.469 --> 00:36:46.750
Okay.

638
00:36:46.929 --> 00:36:47.610
Yeah, absolutely.

639
00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:50.070
I mean, I've spent hours in the woods with Dwayne

640
00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:54.440
and a few years ago, 2025. And I mean, he

641
00:36:54.460 --> 00:36:57.699
had one of the most honest dudes I've met. I mean,

642
00:36:57.739 --> 00:37:01.500
just super salt of the earth. Like so many people

643
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.639
you meet out there. It's wild. It's very cool.

644
00:37:05.909 --> 00:37:10.610
Yeah. No, he's got his standards, his principles. He'll die before,

645
00:37:10.650 --> 00:37:15.329
you know, not keep up with them. He's not going

646
00:37:15.349 --> 00:37:19.050
to tell a lie. Right. He's just a stand-up guy

647
00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:22.949
all the way through. He tells you exactly what he thinks. Absolutely.

648
00:37:22.969 --> 00:37:28.380
A question for you. So are you still, you know, Priscilla, Scott,

649
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.699
Area 58, uh, museum and, and that good stuff going

650
00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:35.920
on in Oak Ridge, which people should really check out

651
00:37:36.019 --> 00:37:39.659
outside of the festival when it's open, uh, by the DQ.

652
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:41.710
But are you still, do you still hang out there

653
00:37:41.769 --> 00:37:43.130
and sometimes talk to people?

654
00:37:45.789 --> 00:37:48.030
It's been a, she's probably a couple of months. I

655
00:37:48.050 --> 00:37:51.820
was in there. I sometimes I drive by there and

656
00:37:51.860 --> 00:37:54.980
there's people there. They came from out of town and

657
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.010
I got a key. So I'll stop in, and there

658
00:37:59.050 --> 00:38:02.340
has been some of those fairly recently that I've seen.

659
00:38:02.409 --> 00:38:06.980
I've went in and given my spiel on everything and

660
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.039
talked to them about the museum and stuff.

661
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.840
Oh, so you, like, open it up for them and stuff.

662
00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:13.380
Yeah.

663
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:14.019
Oh, that's nice.

664
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:15.500
If I see somebody there, yeah.

665
00:38:15.579 --> 00:38:16.239
That's cool.

666
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.949
I've learned so much about these things, and I don't know.

667
00:38:19.219 --> 00:38:23.610
Just on a normal basis, without getting into the woo,

668
00:38:23.829 --> 00:38:31.300
I mean, they're amazing. If you don't mind me recapping here,

669
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:38.679
of course, you can put in what you want. When

670
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:45.719
I was growing up there, after I made friends with him,

671
00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:50.460
can you imagine that? It's just mind-boggling. Listen to that

672
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.619
show again last night. It's really.

673
00:38:56.710 --> 00:39:03.829
Spectacular story. I, it sounds incredible. It's almost unbelievable to me.

674
00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:04.610
It's pretty awesome.

675
00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:08.150
What I have experienced with them. But I, uh, you know,

676
00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:12.190
when I, the times that I took somebody up there

677
00:39:12.250 --> 00:39:17.030
that they intimidate, they got intimidating, not with me, but

678
00:39:17.070 --> 00:39:20.250
they would with them. Um, you know, I learned that

679
00:39:20.889 --> 00:39:23.510
kind of the first time I didn't really sink in,

680
00:39:23.550 --> 00:39:28.869
but I, uh, When I took the friend here in town,

681
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.760
sal the muscle building guy.

682
00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:35.260
Who up there sorry we went out for a little

683
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:36.360
bit who was that.

684
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:41.480
Uh his name was sal okay i think he's he's

685
00:39:41.539 --> 00:39:45.219
in the book too about all this experiences but i

686
00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:49.030
he uh man right off the bat walking towards the

687
00:39:49.070 --> 00:39:53.849
gifting tree And there was some high-pitched sounds that were

688
00:39:53.909 --> 00:39:58.219
menacing and a stomp on the ground. And he wanted

689
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.559
to go right then, so I took him out. But

690
00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:05.360
then about a few weeks later, that guy, which was

691
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.400
really interesting, I learned a lot on this. These things

692
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:13.090
didn't like it, but I'm glad it happened. Because I

693
00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:18.280
learned so much about him. That's when Chris LaCouture, it's

694
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:26.269
hard name to pronounce. Yeah, yeah. That was interesting. We

695
00:40:26.809 --> 00:40:32.010
were probably a mile from the gifting tree. I was

696
00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:34.230
going up to do my gifting like I'd been doing.

697
00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:40.150
We had his van. He was driving. And They got

698
00:40:40.170 --> 00:40:42.909
the switchback roads in the mountains. There's no way you

699
00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:45.449
can see or any of that. It's a mile away.

700
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:54.480
And that one came off with that siren scream. You know,

701
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.880
like an airy siren. And that fellow was a mile away.

702
00:40:59.500 --> 00:41:02.619
We could hear him clear. I know he was up

703
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.960
there by the meadow where we're headed. These things already

704
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:11.670
knew we were coming. And I haven't completely figured out

705
00:41:12.030 --> 00:41:16.150
some things there. And this guy, he's a big guy.

706
00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:20.949
He's got a heart of gold. But he's not afraid

707
00:41:20.989 --> 00:41:25.519
of anything. And I've never seen anybody like that. And

708
00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:28.320
I asked him after this all over. I said, you know,

709
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.880
there's a possibility of being killed. He said, well, if

710
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:33.420
you've got to go, it's going to happen. That's the

711
00:41:33.460 --> 00:41:38.809
way he is. When that thing came off like that,

712
00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:42.260
if I didn't know any better, I would have turned around.

713
00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:45.579
I was already familiar with them, but I would have,

714
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.610
I would have turned around myself. I mean, that's the sound.

715
00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:50.769
I don't know if you've ever heard it. I mean,

716
00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:53.289
that's the sound that, huh?

717
00:41:53.449 --> 00:41:55.809
It's, it's similar. It sounds like it's similar to like the,

718
00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:57.730
the Ohio howl in a way, or is it more

719
00:41:57.750 --> 00:41:58.269
of a scream?

720
00:41:59.650 --> 00:42:00.369
It's a scream.

721
00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:04.030
I've never, I've heard of, actually, I've heard, well, when

722
00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:06.300
you were playing guitar, it would have been a, it

723
00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:08.440
was more of a roar, but it did have a scream.

724
00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:11.469
It was not, primarily a scream, but it still was

725
00:42:11.630 --> 00:42:12.289
freaky as all get out.

726
00:42:12.329 --> 00:42:14.710
It sounds like an air, it sounds like an air

727
00:42:14.789 --> 00:42:19.469
raid siren. Yeah. Full blast. I mean, an air raid

728
00:42:19.530 --> 00:42:23.570
siren is a duck because there's some bombing kind of

729
00:42:23.590 --> 00:42:27.289
come in here. Right. You know, that's exactly what it

730
00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:31.789
feels like. Something's up, you know, not good. First time

731
00:42:31.849 --> 00:42:36.219
I heard that was in the Siskiyous. And, uh, I was, uh,

732
00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:38.940
the three of us that heard it was, uh, Richard

733
00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:44.409
Greenwell and his son and me, all of us were,

734
00:42:45.309 --> 00:42:49.190
we were stunned. We were getting, we were packing our

735
00:42:49.250 --> 00:42:52.269
stuff up to go out because horses gonna be in

736
00:42:52.469 --> 00:42:56.659
there the next day to take everything out. And it

737
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.599
was sort of packing stuff away, it was at night.

738
00:42:59.659 --> 00:43:04.780
That thing come off and all of us had, our

739
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.800
hair was standing up in the back of our necks.

740
00:43:07.789 --> 00:43:13.710
It felt like the ground was trembling. It's a powerful roar.

741
00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:17.530
And then I hear it up here for the first time.

742
00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:21.610
That's when I'm bringing him up. And I thought, well,

743
00:43:22.869 --> 00:43:26.090
if I hadn't known anything about that and hadn't been

744
00:43:26.150 --> 00:43:28.550
familiar with these things at the time and getting along

745
00:43:28.590 --> 00:43:31.429
with them, I would not have went up. But I

746
00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:36.929
looked at him being a hunter. He just pointed, he

747
00:43:37.030 --> 00:43:41.590
pointed in that direction, and his eyes were bulging. And

748
00:43:42.090 --> 00:43:44.230
he's just looking at me. So I said, yeah, I said,

749
00:43:44.289 --> 00:43:48.530
that fella's either letting us know that he knows we're

750
00:43:48.570 --> 00:43:52.949
coming or he's gathering the troops. And he was doing both. Yeah,

751
00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:57.659
he was doing both. So he'd get up there. So

752
00:43:57.739 --> 00:44:00.610
I learned some things. it wasn't my car. I thought

753
00:44:00.650 --> 00:44:02.170
it was my car is the reason they knew I

754
00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:04.250
was coming. It wasn't because it's the first time that

755
00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:05.150
band's been up there.

756
00:44:05.309 --> 00:44:06.730
Oh, sure, yeah.

757
00:44:07.630 --> 00:44:11.940
And this guy is not one easily intimidated. When he

758
00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:15.519
was living here, he owned it for 13 years. He

759
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.460
was interested in Bigfoot, but he'd never seen anything, you know.

760
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.480
So I told him he wanted to spend a day

761
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.389
with me, and I said, I know where Bigfoot's at.

762
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.659
And he said, let's go. So that's where it started off.

763
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:33.250
But he went there, and He's like, and the measurement

764
00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:37.409
of intimidation with three different people over the period of

765
00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:41.610
time growing up there was different. I mean, this was

766
00:44:41.789 --> 00:44:47.889
like almost a full escalation of intimidation. And this is

767
00:44:47.949 --> 00:44:50.340
the kind of guy who would take a lot to scare.

768
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.460
I'm just wondering if they somehow, they even knew that.

769
00:44:56.389 --> 00:45:00.050
They're going to have to up the intimidation for this guy. Wow.

770
00:45:00.769 --> 00:45:04.469
I don't know how that could be, but I don't

771
00:45:04.510 --> 00:45:09.650
doubt anything with these things anymore. So we get up there,

772
00:45:10.309 --> 00:45:12.320
and we get out of his van. We walk around it.

773
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.739
I'm getting ready to go over to the gifting tree.

774
00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:16.840
We didn't have to go far at all. We just

775
00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:20.739
were right there. And then that big, like a gorilla grunt,

776
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:24.019
powerful and loud, came off from the other side of

777
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:29.230
the meadow. Sounded like about 300 feet away, but we

778
00:45:29.429 --> 00:45:34.670
were deep, you know. And it got both of our attention.

779
00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:41.389
And we just waited. And a minute later, on the

780
00:45:41.489 --> 00:45:45.760
other side of the metal that came off again, and

781
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.880
then a little further down, like a few hundred feet,

782
00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:55.079
you've already got something in your mind. that something is

783
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.820
moving because the timing was perfect. And the third time

784
00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:02.920
it come off, it was further down. You know, growling.

785
00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:06.539
So that's when he said, I think we're being encircled.

786
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.199
And I said, yeah, I think so too. And that's like,

787
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:16.150
you wouldn't think anything else because of the direction, the timing.

788
00:46:16.429 --> 00:46:19.230
If something was moving and gonna let off once in

789
00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:23.449
a while, that's exactly what would be happening, right? And

790
00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:28.030
then a minute later, behind me on the left side

791
00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:33.559
of me, it came off. Powerful grunt. Then a minute later,

792
00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:36.260
off to my right, like this thing and made a

793
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:40.780
complete circle around us. That's what we were thinking. There's

794
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:46.449
no other way to think but that way. And boy,

795
00:46:46.489 --> 00:46:49.650
were we surprised. Just to give you an idea how

796
00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:53.090
smart these things are. And I don't know how smart

797
00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:55.409
they are. That bar could go up a lot higher.

798
00:46:55.469 --> 00:46:57.570
I don't know. They seem to go up to whatever

799
00:46:57.610 --> 00:47:06.449
they need. Oh, sure. So at that point, I don't

800
00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:10.699
know why, but I felt comfortable. Because I'd been going

801
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.039
up there with them and singing and playing their whooping

802
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.900
and stuff. It's like we're partying. I've been doing that

803
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.159
for a couple of months now. So I just felt

804
00:47:21.219 --> 00:47:25.090
that that wasn't for me. I felt that it was

805
00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:30.590
for him. So I felt actually comfortable about the Bigfoot thing.

806
00:47:30.630 --> 00:47:36.469
But I'm leaning up against his van and I'm watching him.

807
00:47:37.570 --> 00:47:41.099
I was so interested in him and his reaction because

808
00:47:41.139 --> 00:47:44.400
that's not normal. He was like a kid in a

809
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.579
candy shop. He was having so much fun with all this.

810
00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:51.039
Anybody else would have been running and screaming out there,

811
00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:54.699
you know? And I, I just, I even forgot about Bigfoot.

812
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.179
I'm so interested in him. I just couldn't believe it.

813
00:47:57.449 --> 00:47:59.530
He was like a kid in an ice cream parlor.

814
00:48:00.090 --> 00:48:01.039
And I was into it.

815
00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:06.659
Yeah. And he's, He's looking all around. He's electronic. He's looking.

816
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.679
He's excited.

817
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:10.510
And he's saying, oh, he says, I want to move

818
00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:13.650
back here. I've never had an experience like this. He's

819
00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:17.590
so excited. And he looks down and see what he's

820
00:48:17.650 --> 00:48:22.860
looking for. It's that big branch, tree branch. He says,

821
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.159
can I take that and whack that tree? You know,

822
00:48:27.980 --> 00:48:30.610
after I had screamed that night and freaking got him in,

823
00:48:31.250 --> 00:48:37.170
when he killed, I don't make any sounds that's not necessary, right?

824
00:48:37.889 --> 00:48:41.670
But he deserved it, I thought. And I just couldn't

825
00:48:41.730 --> 00:48:45.630
say no. And I appreciated him freaking asking me, too.

826
00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:47.150
Oh, sure.

827
00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:49.880
Go ahead, you know. But I told him, I said,

828
00:48:49.940 --> 00:48:51.820
I don't do it because I don't know what I'm conveying.

829
00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:56.349
And he whacked him once. whacked it twice and that

830
00:48:56.489 --> 00:49:01.099
third time you whacked it those five spots we heard

831
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.460
it we thought it was moving they came off at

832
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.519
the exact same time.

833
00:49:07.940 --> 00:49:09.880
I remember you telling me that because it's like all

834
00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:13.730
of a sudden it's like there's like multiples all around you.

835
00:49:13.670 --> 00:49:18.989
Right yeah I know but think about that yeah I

836
00:49:19.010 --> 00:49:24.239
put a lot of thought into that. When we came

837
00:49:24.380 --> 00:49:29.889
in there, I kind of like get messages, not from them.

838
00:49:29.929 --> 00:49:33.150
I don't think it's just my inner self talking. But

839
00:49:34.030 --> 00:49:37.750
the message I got when that happened, that moment, it's like,

840
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:44.070
You think you were being surrounded. You were already surrounded

841
00:49:44.110 --> 00:49:48.469
when you came in here. That's the message I got.

842
00:49:48.829 --> 00:49:52.230
Ronnie, let's talk about that for a minute because it's

843
00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:55.929
really interesting because a few times the way that you've

844
00:49:55.969 --> 00:49:59.900
kind of explained that, it sounds like very close to

845
00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:05.199
the guardrails of when people explain getting something wrong. like

846
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.360
telepathic or mind speak is how the community says it

847
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.099
but you're you're thinking it could have been just a

848
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:14.860
another thought that you had inside your your mind.

849
00:50:14.739 --> 00:50:19.829
From yourself no it's my my feelings right uh you

850
00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:23.190
know you get emotions especially at a level like that

851
00:50:23.309 --> 00:50:26.389
yeah you're gonna think something and what you feel what

852
00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:31.070
you're thinking what you feel i think I'm not shutting

853
00:50:31.090 --> 00:50:33.789
the door on anything, but I try to be as

854
00:50:33.889 --> 00:50:39.039
logical as I can with this stuff. When I heard

855
00:50:39.099 --> 00:50:44.059
that first scream, roar, the siren sound in the Siskiyous,

856
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.880
the message I got from that, from my inner self,

857
00:50:48.940 --> 00:50:56.980
I believe, but I'm reading this like that I mean,

858
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:02.219
that's a wake-up call. You ever hear that? There ain't

859
00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:04.460
no way anybody's going to tell you it could be

860
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:09.320
an elk on different sounds or anything else because nothing

861
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.699
on the freaking planet could come off like this. You

862
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.800
have to hear it. But the message I got from

863
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.070
that is this is, and we didn't have any experiences

864
00:51:21.530 --> 00:51:23.670
with these things. The whole month we were back in

865
00:51:23.690 --> 00:51:27.360
the Siskiyous, except me and My tent, when I was alone,

866
00:51:27.699 --> 00:51:30.980
when I had that one experience, when the thing came

867
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.969
off next to my tent, it's in there, sounded like

868
00:51:34.030 --> 00:51:38.889
one of the more aggressive recordings on the Ron Moriarty stage.

869
00:51:39.929 --> 00:51:44.010
But when that came off, I felt like this is

870
00:51:44.110 --> 00:51:47.400
my territory and you're a long way from home.

871
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:49.719
Right, exactly.

872
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:53.659
That's the feeling I had. And it was the last

873
00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:56.199
night we were there. It didn't come off the whole,

874
00:51:56.260 --> 00:51:58.079
you know, this thing was washing. It was probably the

875
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.880
same one that came around my tent that night. But

876
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.010
I didn't do a thing, not to get ready to leave.

877
00:52:04.090 --> 00:52:07.150
It's like, don't come back. You know, I think it

878
00:52:07.210 --> 00:52:11.469
is a warning. But I don't think it was putting

879
00:52:11.570 --> 00:52:14.010
anything mental into it.

880
00:52:14.139 --> 00:52:14.610
Oh, sure.

881
00:52:14.659 --> 00:52:15.480
Yeah, absolutely.

882
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.159
So that's another leap. to go there but.

883
00:52:18.980 --> 00:52:22.699
It's it is uh it is going down uh another

884
00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:24.889
rabbit hole as we kind of talked about before um

885
00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:29.250
so i've got a few other questions for you and

886
00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:33.369
these might be kind of down another trail it's.

887
00:52:33.230 --> 00:52:36.179
A correction i want to do that i i listened

888
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:41.340
to that show last night When I started putting the

889
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:45.030
food up to try to be friends with them, I

890
00:52:45.110 --> 00:52:49.010
said on that show I was on, I said I

891
00:52:49.030 --> 00:52:50.849
was putting that food up for three months.

892
00:52:51.170 --> 00:52:51.949
That's not true.

893
00:52:51.969 --> 00:52:55.849
It was about six weeks I was putting up before

894
00:52:55.889 --> 00:52:58.889
they let me know they were before they started taking it.

895
00:52:59.550 --> 00:53:01.949
And then they let me know. It was over three

896
00:53:02.090 --> 00:53:06.849
months after they did that. I was with them all

897
00:53:06.889 --> 00:53:11.099
the time. And they knew I was coming. I'd go

898
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.260
up there and put the food up. They were taking

899
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.130
it on a regular basis. And I was singing and playing.

900
00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:24.250
And so for over three months with them, before things

901
00:53:24.289 --> 00:53:26.590
started going into disaster, I took the trip. And then

902
00:53:26.610 --> 00:53:29.329
the bad weather and the fires and everything else.

903
00:53:29.590 --> 00:53:32.489
That was great. You got into that in the book. Actually,

904
00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:34.980
that cleared up. That was a lot of extra detail.

905
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.199
That was very interesting when you went into that.

906
00:53:39.409 --> 00:53:42.289
Yeah, there's so much that you don't know.

907
00:53:43.070 --> 00:53:47.099
I've asked several people at the festival here.

908
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:48.239
I've asked MK.

909
00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:52.579
It had been a year and a half or two

910
00:53:52.619 --> 00:53:54.659
years because we couldn't get up there most of the time.

911
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:59.590
We took the seven-month trip. Me and Dwayne were going

912
00:53:59.650 --> 00:53:59.989
up there.

913
00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:00.710
We didn't know if.

914
00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:04.099
I didn't know. It looked like they may never come back.

915
00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:06.780
There was a lot of smoke in that area. There

916
00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:10.239
were some fires that got part of that area, but

917
00:54:10.420 --> 00:54:13.239
pretty much they grew back quick too, but there was

918
00:54:13.300 --> 00:54:17.800
enough cover there. But the smoke inhalation might be enough

919
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:22.280
to leave and not come back. So I was going

920
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.429
out there quite a bit for a.

921
00:54:23.510 --> 00:54:26.670
Few months and I didn't see any signs or nothing.

922
00:54:27.369 --> 00:54:30.670
Putting food up and then one day I go up

923
00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:35.599
there and And I had, Chris was visiting, that guy that,

924
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:40.179
you know, that was excited about the experience. He'd come

925
00:54:40.219 --> 00:54:42.409
out and stayed with me a day. And that's a

926
00:54:42.449 --> 00:54:44.710
long time after the first incident where he was in.

927
00:54:45.690 --> 00:54:50.710
And I was really depressed about the whole situation because

928
00:54:50.769 --> 00:54:54.289
I had something going on with these things. And I

929
00:54:54.329 --> 00:54:57.269
figured it's over. I figured they're not ever coming back here. They,

930
00:54:57.489 --> 00:55:01.670
you know, the fires were horrible around there. And I

931
00:55:01.710 --> 00:55:05.789
figured they're not coming back, all the smoke. I mean,

932
00:55:05.889 --> 00:55:08.139
there's got to be other areas they could find. This

933
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.219
is an established area for them, but I just figured

934
00:55:12.260 --> 00:55:14.400
they were. I didn't even get out and walk around.

935
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:15.780
He said, well, I'm going to go out and walk you.

936
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.460
I said, no, I'm just going to sit here. I

937
00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:18.820
sat in the car on that road.

938
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:19.179
By the middle.

939
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.360
He comes back about 30 minutes later and he says,

940
00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:28.159
there's big foot tracks all over the place back in there. Nice. Yeah,

941
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:31.380
I'm thinking, yeah, right. I don't even know if he

942
00:55:31.420 --> 00:55:34.619
knew what a Bigfoot track looked like. Went back there

943
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.780
and looked. They were freaking everywhere. And the ones I

944
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.789
was familiar with, I mean, 100 by 100 feet, the

945
00:55:42.849 --> 00:55:45.269
heart of your place where you couldn't.

946
00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:46.929
You'd step on one, you know.

947
00:55:46.949 --> 00:55:48.110
How big were they?

948
00:55:48.269 --> 00:55:48.949
All the tracks.

949
00:55:49.389 --> 00:55:52.889
The old lady, the 15-inch tracks, which I assume is

950
00:55:52.929 --> 00:55:53.409
the old lady.

951
00:55:54.010 --> 00:55:54.730
And then the 23-inch tracks.

952
00:55:56.860 --> 00:55:59.559
And his toes were down in the grass where he

953
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.199
stepped because he's so freaking heavy.

954
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.380
And then the younger ones, you know, that.

955
00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:09.099
Were 13, 12, 13 inches and stuff and through there.

956
00:56:09.579 --> 00:56:12.710
They were all there. They covered over. I've never seen

957
00:56:12.789 --> 00:56:13.610
so many tracks.

958
00:56:14.329 --> 00:56:20.409
And I've asked people, I've never heard of that. And

959
00:56:20.489 --> 00:56:23.349
nobody has ever heard of that I know of. Do you?

960
00:56:23.670 --> 00:56:25.130
Have you heard of anything like that?

961
00:56:26.269 --> 00:56:32.539
Man, it's like, not together in an area like that.

962
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.760
I mean, you hear about trackways that go on forever,

963
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.659
like the Bossberg tracks back.

964
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:36.760
In the day.

965
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:39.260
Well, yeah, but they're one trackway, and sometimes they're a

966
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:40.489
lot longer than you think.

967
00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:41.469
But this is totally different.

968
00:56:41.489 --> 00:56:42.730
Usually there's only a few.

969
00:56:42.750 --> 00:56:51.690
Yeah. But this whole metal area was covered with them. Right, exactly. Well,

970
00:56:52.389 --> 00:56:56.000
I got to thinking that there's something special there. these

971
00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:00.489
things don't usually, they're not too careless or reckless. And I,

972
00:57:00.809 --> 00:57:03.849
I think that when they do something, it's very calculated

973
00:57:04.010 --> 00:57:07.929
and they do it for a reason or a purpose. And, uh,

974
00:57:08.329 --> 00:57:11.420
the only thing I can think of that was they

975
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:16.900
knew I wanted to get back into our ritual, whatever

976
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.579
we were doing, you know, and, uh, And they left

977
00:57:20.659 --> 00:57:24.750
that thinking I would maybe find it because I know

978
00:57:24.829 --> 00:57:25.869
that's the area.

979
00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:28.230
It's only a couple of hundred feet back in.

980
00:57:28.610 --> 00:57:31.309
That's the area when I was singing and playing and

981
00:57:31.389 --> 00:57:33.059
I could tell they're going back and forth.

982
00:57:33.099 --> 00:57:33.739
They're excited.

983
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.719
Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, you know, all over the place.

984
00:57:36.739 --> 00:57:39.630
I had a lot of fun doing that. But, uh,

985
00:57:40.409 --> 00:57:42.579
they were moving. That's where they were moving.

986
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:43.079
I believe.

987
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.699
And I think now it's two years after we got

988
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.860
cut off. I think they might have left that there

989
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.579
to get my attention that there are there.

990
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:53.519
Sure.

991
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.059
Yeah. Yeah.

992
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.889
I checked that area out last time in 25. It's so, yeah,

993
00:57:58.909 --> 00:58:02.070
you're right. It's a few hundred feet back and it's

994
00:58:02.110 --> 00:58:04.789
kind of weird vibes, kind of weird vibes. Nothing, nothing

995
00:58:04.829 --> 00:58:08.710
happened to me back in that area, but it's you, man,

996
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.699
It's a big area, though. I can only imagine.

997
00:58:11.780 --> 00:58:14.440
Yeah, it is. And I know that's the area. That's

998
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:15.260
where they're coming from.

999
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.699
And I knew they were they were like running when

1000
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.559
I was playing and singing their weapon. I know that's

1001
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.760
where it had to be there because that's nice. You know,

1002
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:28.659
there's no obstructions in trees right there. And I think

1003
00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:31.059
that's where they're moving back and forth and having fun.

1004
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:32.559
And I think.

1005
00:58:33.619 --> 00:58:36.210
The only thing that makes sense, unless somebody can explain

1006
00:58:36.269 --> 00:58:39.510
something to me, that they were thinking I would find

1007
00:58:39.570 --> 00:58:46.110
that and know they're back. But I didn't, and that

1008
00:58:46.150 --> 00:58:49.699
might have been a mistake. I got the guy that

1009
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:54.780
they thought they run off, I bring him back, and

1010
00:58:54.820 --> 00:58:57.840
he finds it. They probably knew that.

1011
00:58:57.860 --> 00:58:58.980
That's weird, yeah.

1012
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:02.510
That don't look good on my part. I think that

1013
00:59:02.550 --> 00:59:05.929
might have been a part, maybe just a part of

1014
00:59:05.929 --> 00:59:09.619
our falling out A guy, they already intimidated so much,

1015
00:59:09.820 --> 00:59:12.780
and probably figured they did run him off, because I

1016
00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:15.760
took him, that day we had all those experiences, and

1017
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.980
him hitting the tree and stuff, it's the day I

1018
00:59:18.019 --> 00:59:20.860
took him to his plane, and he didn't come back,

1019
00:59:20.900 --> 00:59:23.420
so they probably figured they'd run him off.

1020
00:59:23.570 --> 00:59:23.969
And then I.

1021
00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:27.670
And I went up there the next day and they

1022
00:59:27.690 --> 00:59:31.090
were there. We were partying just like always after they

1023
00:59:31.130 --> 00:59:33.449
thought they run him off, I guess. But I was

1024
00:59:33.530 --> 00:59:34.030
up next day.

1025
00:59:34.070 --> 00:59:35.429
We were friends. We were fine.

1026
00:59:35.750 --> 00:59:36.690
Whooping back and forth.

1027
00:59:36.710 --> 00:59:38.469
It was just him they didn't want there.

1028
00:59:39.050 --> 00:59:41.269
They're doing their whooping again. They usually do.

1029
00:59:41.889 --> 00:59:42.570
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1030
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:42.949
Right.

1031
00:59:43.179 --> 00:59:45.280
Yeah. As soon as I put some food up and

1032
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:47.059
started playing, they were whooping and we did that for

1033
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:50.769
a long time. So it was back to normal then,

1034
00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:54.610
you know, after that. So then two years later, we're separated.

1035
00:59:54.630 --> 00:59:58.530
And then they leave those tracks. Maybe for me, if

1036
00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:01.820
they did, then the guy that finds them is the

1037
01:00:01.860 --> 01:00:04.019
guy they thought they ran off that I brought in

1038
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:08.360
the first place. You know, all this stuff sounds crazy.

1039
01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:10.960
But when you get into the stuff, you've got to think,

1040
01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:14.280
you know, all over the place of what makes sense

1041
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:15.039
and what doesn't.

1042
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:16.420
No, absolutely.

1043
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:16.760
Yeah.

1044
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.070
When I was there the first time, like, Denise was

1045
01:00:20.110 --> 01:00:23.590
finding tracks like crazy inside.

1046
01:00:23.630 --> 01:00:24.760
She's really good at it.

1047
01:00:24.969 --> 01:00:27.610
She's really good at it. And, like, I found the one.

1048
01:00:27.769 --> 01:00:31.389
Cliff found some. And, like, man, I wish we had

1049
01:00:31.969 --> 01:00:35.469
casted those because there are some crazy ones back there.

1050
01:00:35.789 --> 01:00:37.530
We just, you know, it's like hindsight is 20-20.

1051
01:00:37.570 --> 01:00:37.829
But, dude.

1052
01:00:41.530 --> 01:00:44.329
Can I, let's, let's try, uh, let's try an experiment.

1053
01:00:44.389 --> 01:00:47.489
I'm going to say a few places and just to

1054
01:00:47.530 --> 01:00:51.510
see if anything jogs your memory about maybe there's something

1055
01:00:51.550 --> 01:00:54.659
that you're involved with over the years. Uh, if it

1056
01:00:54.699 --> 01:00:57.360
doesn't hit, then it doesn't hit. But, um, did you,

1057
01:00:57.659 --> 01:01:02.099
have you ever done anything, uh, in the McCready hot

1058
01:01:02.139 --> 01:01:02.900
Springs area?

1059
01:01:04.699 --> 01:01:06.400
I don't even know where it is. Like I said,

1060
01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:09.059
I was focused on that up there. I had plenty

1061
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:09.460
to do.

1062
01:01:09.739 --> 01:01:10.739
Okay. Odell Lake.

1063
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.389
People ask me questions about areas that I don't even

1064
01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:14.590
know the names of places.

1065
01:01:15.269 --> 01:01:16.329
Okay. No sweat.

1066
01:01:16.369 --> 01:01:16.909
I got two more.

1067
01:01:16.949 --> 01:01:19.530
Yeah, some researcher I am.

1068
01:01:20.070 --> 01:01:23.610
Okay. We'll do two or three more, just in case.

1069
01:01:24.750 --> 01:01:25.380
Three more. Okay.

1070
01:01:25.550 --> 01:01:27.719
Oregon Bigfoot Highway. Anything ever with that?

1071
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:31.079
Oh, yeah, yeah. With Joe Wheelart?

1072
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:32.190
Did you ever go out with him?

1073
01:01:33.769 --> 01:01:34.750
No, no, I haven't.

1074
01:01:35.409 --> 01:01:38.050
I think they were going out, Tom Powell and them,

1075
01:01:38.110 --> 01:01:41.849
a long, long time ago. And I wasn't invited. I

1076
01:01:42.849 --> 01:01:49.760
already knew why. But somebody had mentioned something. I guess

1077
01:01:49.780 --> 01:01:52.079
they did miss me a little bit because somebody, from

1078
01:01:52.099 --> 01:01:56.050
what I heard anyway, through the grapevine, but I... that

1079
01:01:56.309 --> 01:01:58.989
one of them mentioned, I don't know exactly which one

1080
01:01:59.030 --> 01:02:01.260
it was, just says, kind of wish Ronnie was here,

1081
01:02:01.300 --> 01:02:05.699
you know, have some stories. But I, no, but I

1082
01:02:05.739 --> 01:02:08.579
had a reputation of being a drunk because I was.

1083
01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:13.000
And I get to talking too much and I just,

1084
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.909
I guess I talk way too much and nobody can

1085
01:02:17.949 --> 01:02:18.530
get in there.

1086
01:02:18.550 --> 01:02:20.050
So I think that, yeah.

1087
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:23.360
But I think they balanced out, is it worth it?

1088
01:02:23.389 --> 01:02:24.949
And I think they decided no.

1089
01:02:25.730 --> 01:02:26.650
That's their law, son.

1090
01:02:27.809 --> 01:02:29.289
Oh, no hard feelings.

1091
01:02:29.369 --> 01:02:31.269
I love them.

1092
01:02:31.449 --> 01:02:31.889
Estacada?

1093
01:02:31.909 --> 01:02:32.550
Estacada, yeah.

1094
01:02:32.909 --> 01:02:33.769
Do you ever go out there?

1095
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.239
No, no, I haven't.

1096
01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:39.599
Like I said, I had so much stuff going on here.

1097
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.179
I didn't need to go anywhere.

1098
01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:43.840
Right. And I couldn't handle it. Yeah.

1099
01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:46.489
If I was out there, I would never hit all

1100
01:02:46.510 --> 01:02:48.489
the spots. There's too many spots to hit. You would

1101
01:02:48.630 --> 01:02:50.909
never hit them all. It's impossible.

1102
01:02:51.050 --> 01:02:53.030
But when this was hot, it was going, when it

1103
01:02:53.050 --> 01:02:55.130
was going up there, they're there all, they were there

1104
01:02:55.170 --> 01:02:55.969
all the time.

1105
01:02:55.989 --> 01:02:59.519
I mean, why would I go someplace to look for Bigfoot?

1106
01:02:59.699 --> 01:03:03.210
It's like, and I had all that stuff and I

1107
01:03:03.909 --> 01:03:06.699
think I'm going to be killed at one time. And I, I,

1108
01:03:07.059 --> 01:03:10.000
I want to tell you about, I, I don't, I

1109
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:14.800
didn't hear, I, I, I left some stuff out when

1110
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.139
I was on the show because I'm just going all

1111
01:03:17.179 --> 01:03:19.019
over the place. I do it from memory, you know,

1112
01:03:19.099 --> 01:03:21.849
and I, I, I don't know, know exactly what I'm

1113
01:03:21.869 --> 01:03:23.760
going to say. Sometimes I just come off with it,

1114
01:03:23.769 --> 01:03:27.329
but I, I noticed I missed something out. I did

1115
01:03:27.429 --> 01:03:32.699
put in there. I mean, the humorous parts of that, uh, like, uh,

1116
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.800
the night that they came in and I, and Dwayne

1117
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:37.639
was cussing.

1118
01:03:37.659 --> 01:03:40.780
I said, uh, this is our research area, right?

1119
01:03:41.059 --> 01:03:41.260
Yeah.

1120
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:41.739
You got it.

1121
01:03:42.219 --> 01:03:42.400
Yeah.

1122
01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:44.920
Oh, that was so funny. That's classic.

1123
01:03:45.059 --> 01:03:48.679
But I, uh, but the first time we had an

1124
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:53.630
experience there down to the bottoms, we, uh, uh, uh,

1125
01:03:53.690 --> 01:03:57.309
Dwayne had, uh, I get, well, it's a tan, but

1126
01:03:57.349 --> 01:04:02.329
it was like a screen. Oh, and you're, it was, uh, Big,

1127
01:04:02.710 --> 01:04:05.750
it was a big tent, but you could stand up

1128
01:04:05.829 --> 01:04:09.670
in it. And I don't think I told you this one,

1129
01:04:09.690 --> 01:04:16.449
but this is another funny one. But sometime in the

1130
01:04:16.489 --> 01:04:21.679
middle of the night on the swamp side, we heard

1131
01:04:22.059 --> 01:04:29.639
there's a twig snap and a shrill whistle. Almost human-like.

1132
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.280
There ain't no human down in there in that swamp

1133
01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:39.469
with no light. So I came off, and maybe it

1134
01:04:39.489 --> 01:04:41.789
wasn't too long afterwards on the right side of us,

1135
01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:44.590
which wasn't swamp. It was right in the middle between

1136
01:04:44.610 --> 01:04:48.590
the old girl and the swamp. But a twig snapped

1137
01:04:48.650 --> 01:04:52.570
in that whistle. Dwayne's not saying anything. I'm not either.

1138
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:53.739
We knew what it was.

1139
01:04:55.059 --> 01:04:59.050
And... I waited, nothing else happened after I waited about

1140
01:04:59.050 --> 01:05:00.969
10 minutes. And I said, Dwayne, do you hear that?

1141
01:05:01.309 --> 01:05:07.809
He said, yes. And okay. So we go to sleep.

1142
01:05:09.630 --> 01:05:12.389
I had drank a six pack before we went to bed.

1143
01:05:12.449 --> 01:05:16.260
We stayed up talking. And I had to go to

1144
01:05:16.300 --> 01:05:19.519
the bathroom. And when I got to go, I got

1145
01:05:19.539 --> 01:05:24.190
to go. I couldn't find my flashlight. Did I tell

1146
01:05:24.230 --> 01:05:24.619
you this one?

1147
01:05:24.969 --> 01:05:26.389
No, but I noticed it in the book and I

1148
01:05:26.409 --> 01:05:27.909
was like, oh, this is kind of new.

1149
01:05:27.929 --> 01:05:31.849
Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, you want me to tell it or?

1150
01:05:31.869 --> 01:05:32.730
No, go ahead. Yeah.

1151
01:05:32.849 --> 01:05:33.590
It's just, it's funny.

1152
01:05:33.769 --> 01:05:39.010
Okay. Yeah. I, uh, it's pitch black. I am.

1153
01:05:39.210 --> 01:05:41.530
I can't keep, I'm just feeling all of my trying

1154
01:05:41.550 --> 01:05:45.139
to panic. They're trying to get my flashlight. I, uh,

1155
01:05:45.340 --> 01:05:49.559
I don't know where that zipper is. And, uh, he's

1156
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:51.900
Dwayne's on the other 10 on the car. And I'm

1157
01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:54.039
on the center of the car. Hey, I get on,

1158
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.699
I'm feeling around. I got to get out of that tent.

1159
01:05:57.699 --> 01:06:01.400
And I'm feeling that zipper. And then I hit something.

1160
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:09.510
Something's there. And I fall on it. And I grab

1161
01:06:09.610 --> 01:06:10.289
a hold of it.

1162
01:06:10.730 --> 01:06:14.510
And then as soon as I grabbed it, there was

1163
01:06:14.570 --> 01:06:15.269
a scream.

1164
01:06:15.289 --> 01:06:22.039
You know? And I thought, in my mind, because you're

1165
01:06:22.059 --> 01:06:23.559
thinking about Bigfoot, because I know.

1166
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.239
They were there earlier.

1167
01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:30.039
And I thought that I, I don't know, it just

1168
01:06:30.099 --> 01:06:33.489
came into my mind. I grabbed Bigfoot crawling into the tent.

1169
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.340
And then Dwayne, it was Dwayne's leg that was propped

1170
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.079
up that I tripped and grabbed onto. And he thought

1171
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.019
a Bigfoot was getting ready to drag him out of

1172
01:06:42.059 --> 01:06:45.219
the tent. And it was him screaming and roaring coming up.

1173
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:46.840
Oh, man, so good.

1174
01:06:47.340 --> 01:06:49.760
So both of us thought Bigfoot had us at the

1175
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:52.760
same time. We both had pistols, too. It's like....

1176
01:06:54.980 --> 01:06:57.159
I loved it. I was like, this is worth the

1177
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:58.460
price of admission right here.

1178
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:03.800
I know those Bigfoot are out there. I wonder what

1179
01:07:03.820 --> 01:07:08.469
they were thinking about all that ruckus and that tent. Right. Exactly.

1180
01:07:08.489 --> 01:07:12.630
Ronnie, another question for you, because I don't know if we've,

1181
01:07:12.750 --> 01:07:15.579
I don't think we've really gotten into it, but maybe

1182
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.519
just a little bit, but you used to go to

1183
01:07:17.539 --> 01:07:21.409
the old Ray Crow meetings, right? Do you have any

1184
01:07:21.449 --> 01:07:25.150
memories about how those meetings went or anything cool or

1185
01:07:25.230 --> 01:07:27.800
interactions you had with, because this was like 20, 30

1186
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:29.039
years ago, you were going to those?

1187
01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:30.599
Yeah.

1188
01:07:30.699 --> 01:07:36.820
Average meetings were around 50 people, you know, and there's

1189
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:38.659
always new people too, new faces.

1190
01:07:38.900 --> 01:07:39.639
Oh, absolutely.

1191
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:42.369
In fact, I was giving a little talk.

1192
01:07:42.110 --> 01:07:45.969
When I, he asked, Ray asked me to, because I

1193
01:07:46.010 --> 01:07:49.280
had gotten back from Florida and, It's always been interesting.

1194
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:50.840
It's concave, too. Oh, yeah.

1195
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:52.619
Ray asked me to.

1196
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:56.300
Get up and talk about it a little bit, but

1197
01:07:57.250 --> 01:08:00.730
I was talking, and I'm just, you know, you're scaring

1198
01:08:00.769 --> 01:08:03.469
the audience the way they look and stuff, and going

1199
01:08:03.530 --> 01:08:08.730
back and forth. And I see new faces, and there's

1200
01:08:08.909 --> 01:08:15.610
one face in the front row, and he's really... He's interested.

1201
01:08:17.109 --> 01:08:19.369
He's got his hands on his knees. He's leaning forward

1202
01:08:19.390 --> 01:08:23.569
a little bit. He's staring at me, listening to everything

1203
01:08:23.649 --> 01:08:27.380
I'm saying. I'm thinking, this guy's really interested. I didn't

1204
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:33.319
know who he was. I see an aura around him,

1205
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:36.140
like a light. His face is kind of like there's

1206
01:08:36.260 --> 01:08:40.359
light around there. I'm thinking, while I'm talking, he's really

1207
01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:45.659
intense on this. I'm thinking maybe it's A light from,

1208
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:50.199
you know, from the room or something. But nobody else

1209
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.090
had it. Not the people next to him, behind him, nobody.

1210
01:08:54.109 --> 01:08:57.770
Around 50 people. And I thought that was kind of strange.

1211
01:08:58.210 --> 01:09:03.060
But I got like a message. you know uh uh

1212
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:07.640
because when I seen that or like or around him

1213
01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:15.140
I uh it's like something said you're you're gonna have

1214
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:18.359
an adventure like we're gonna have an adventure me and

1215
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:21.010
this guy oh wow and I didn't know I didn't

1216
01:09:21.029 --> 01:09:23.680
know who the heck it was well he's one of

1217
01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:27.300
the few that that came over to Ray's house afterwards

1218
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.119
after the meeting and so I got to meeting exchanged

1219
01:09:31.180 --> 01:09:36.640
information and stuff and interesting fella I'm going to tell

1220
01:09:36.659 --> 01:09:38.100
you who it is in a little bit but I

1221
01:09:38.970 --> 01:09:44.430
okay he he calls me up after a couple of

1222
01:09:44.470 --> 01:09:50.989
months he lives in Montana and he said Ron, he says,

1223
01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:55.939
I'm getting an expedition together to go across the St.

1224
01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:59.060
Joe Mountains. I said, I want you to come along.

1225
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:03.079
I'm freaking extremely lazy.

1226
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:05.979
I'm probably the only, that's the reason I'm the only

1227
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.109
Bigfoot reacher that goes up and mess with a Bigfoot,

1228
01:10:09.149 --> 01:10:13.090
takes his chair and a six-pack and sits. You know,

1229
01:10:14.310 --> 01:10:17.569
they don't get worse than that. I wouldn't blame anybody

1230
01:10:17.590 --> 01:10:20.380
if they didn't believe anything I said. What they do,

1231
01:10:20.420 --> 01:10:22.920
he goes up and takes a six-pack and drinks and

1232
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.300
sits in the chair. That's how he bigfoots. But it

1233
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.880
sounds stupid, right? But I'll tell you what, you don't

1234
01:10:30.939 --> 01:10:33.729
need to move around with these things. You sit in

1235
01:10:33.810 --> 01:10:34.449
one spot.

1236
01:10:34.670 --> 01:10:35.449
I do the same thing.

1237
01:10:35.470 --> 01:10:36.449
You sit in one spot.

1238
01:10:36.529 --> 01:10:39.479
If you're there for a week or more, If there's

1239
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:41.600
anything in there, you're going to get some attention because

1240
01:10:41.619 --> 01:10:44.279
they're going to wonder why you're not moving on. Right.

1241
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.840
So they might think I'm just lazy and stupid. I

1242
01:10:48.899 --> 01:10:54.569
am lazy and a little stupid, too. But anyway, so

1243
01:10:55.789 --> 01:10:58.470
he says he wants me to invite me on this.

1244
01:10:58.510 --> 01:11:02.989
And I'm reluctant on that. But he said he had

1245
01:11:03.029 --> 01:11:05.979
several other people going. So I didn't feel like I

1246
01:11:06.020 --> 01:11:10.989
was going to mess up anything. Well, he calls me

1247
01:11:11.090 --> 01:11:12.970
up a month later. He said, he wants to do this.

1248
01:11:13.130 --> 01:11:17.489
Everybody's flaked out on him. He ain't got nobody. I

1249
01:11:17.510 --> 01:11:20.270
didn't even know Don. It was Don Monroe, okay?

1250
01:11:20.689 --> 01:11:22.250
I was guessing. I was like, this has to be

1251
01:11:22.310 --> 01:11:24.189
the Don Monroe origin story.

1252
01:11:24.449 --> 01:11:25.229
Yeah. This is awesome.

1253
01:11:25.369 --> 01:11:27.369
It is Don Monroe. This is how I met him.

1254
01:11:27.569 --> 01:11:33.189
Wow. And I, so he says, Ron, he says, I

1255
01:11:33.229 --> 01:11:37.779
want you to go. Well, he says, a 70 mile hike. St.

1256
01:11:37.819 --> 01:11:38.380
Joe Mountains.

1257
01:11:39.250 --> 01:11:41.569
I'm thinking I can't even carry that much beer to Lassa,

1258
01:11:41.750 --> 01:11:49.970
you know, for that. I said, I said, Don, he said,

1259
01:11:50.069 --> 01:11:52.310
I don't have anything. I don't have a backpack. And

1260
01:11:52.350 --> 01:11:56.250
he says, I've got six backpacks. You can take any

1261
01:11:56.329 --> 01:12:01.010
one you want. I said, I don't, I don't have

1262
01:12:01.050 --> 01:12:04.310
any boots. He says, what size you wear? Nine, 10,

1263
01:12:04.310 --> 01:12:06.869
you just.

1264
01:12:05.850 --> 01:12:06.479
Got all the boots.

1265
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:13.180
I said, but Don, 70 miles. I said, I can't,

1266
01:12:15.060 --> 01:12:17.479
I'm not in shape. I can't do no 70 miles

1267
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.399
over fricking mountains and stuff. I got no shortcut. It

1268
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:23.739
won't be 25 miles. I said, well, I don't have

1269
01:12:23.779 --> 01:12:26.430
a gun. I ain't going nowhere without a gun. He says,

1270
01:12:26.569 --> 01:12:29.430
I got a 38, 45, 44 Magnum.

1271
01:12:31.550 --> 01:12:33.090
I said, Don, I don't have no money.

1272
01:12:33.409 --> 01:12:35.029
I can't, I'm broke. And he said, I'm going to

1273
01:12:35.069 --> 01:12:37.310
buy you a plane ticket and pick you up to Spokane.

1274
01:12:37.949 --> 01:12:41.939
I couldn't get out of it, right? And I didn't

1275
01:12:41.979 --> 01:12:44.260
even know this guy, except meeting him that one time.

1276
01:12:45.460 --> 01:12:49.340
And something said, you're gonna have an adventure, you know,

1277
01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:53.579
with him. Well, as soon as, so he picks me

1278
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.439
up to Spokane Airport, and I get in his van,

1279
01:12:57.500 --> 01:13:01.430
the first thing out of his mouth, he says, Ron,

1280
01:13:02.689 --> 01:13:05.609
you're gonna hate me for this, but you're gonna love

1281
01:13:05.630 --> 01:13:11.420
the adventure. That's so cool. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I freaking helped.

1282
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.399
And I tell you, it was an adventure, and I

1283
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:16.880
just about almost hated it when we got through to

1284
01:13:16.899 --> 01:13:22.020
the boots. With the 25 miles, when we made it

1285
01:13:22.090 --> 01:13:24.529
to 25 miles, we got lost trying to find the

1286
01:13:24.569 --> 01:13:25.510
freaking shortcut.

1287
01:13:25.569 --> 01:13:26.329
It's extended.

1288
01:13:26.449 --> 01:13:30.380
We probably did 80 miles. I was so beat up.

1289
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.979
The boots didn't. I had blisters on the top of

1290
01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:38.579
my boots and the bottom of my feet and the

1291
01:13:38.619 --> 01:13:42.579
bottom of my feet. I mean, it was horrible trying

1292
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:46.300
to hike in those freaking boots. And the last leg,

1293
01:13:46.779 --> 01:13:54.470
it was about 20 miles to go. I woke up.

1294
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:58.409
My right eye was swollen shut. It looked like a

1295
01:13:58.489 --> 01:14:02.279
golf ball. It was swollen shut. And my jaw, half

1296
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:06.640
my face was swollen. My teeth were infected.

1297
01:14:07.220 --> 01:14:07.819
It's bad.

1298
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:12.359
And he says, Ron, you gotta let me pull those teeth.

1299
01:14:13.630 --> 01:14:15.930
I thought I probably got a pair of pliers or something,

1300
01:14:15.970 --> 01:14:19.270
you know, and there ain't no doors to tie your teeth,

1301
01:14:19.310 --> 01:14:22.649
you know, but I said, no, Don, you're not pulling

1302
01:14:22.670 --> 01:14:25.329
my teeth and you better let me pull them, that's bad.

1303
01:14:25.470 --> 01:14:26.350
You know, you could die.

1304
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.819
Yeah, I could die from bleeding too, you pull my

1305
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:32.170
fricking teeth. And so I didn't, I didn't let him

1306
01:14:32.210 --> 01:14:35.090
pull my teeth. It was a fricking deal. I was

1307
01:14:35.149 --> 01:14:38.989
so messed up, beat up, man. It was worth hating

1308
01:14:39.050 --> 01:14:41.789
somebody almost, but it was an adventure. I mean, just

1309
01:14:41.869 --> 01:14:45.510
like it got for me in the city, right? But I,

1310
01:14:46.010 --> 01:14:50.569
so we hiked out of there and we finally got

1311
01:14:50.649 --> 01:14:54.130
onto a road, dirt road. And that was a long

1312
01:14:54.189 --> 01:14:56.220
hike out of that going down. And then you can

1313
01:14:56.229 --> 01:15:00.329
see the town way, way, way, way away. And we

1314
01:15:00.390 --> 01:15:02.930
ended up in this town, this neighborhood, this building. I

1315
01:15:03.090 --> 01:15:05.229
was glad to be back out on those mountains, buddy.

1316
01:15:07.390 --> 01:15:10.789
We're going, I'm looking for a dentist. And I walk

1317
01:15:10.810 --> 01:15:13.529
a half a block, there's a dentist office. I went in,

1318
01:15:13.569 --> 01:15:17.359
they took me emergency right away. And they worked on

1319
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:18.739
my teeth for four hours.

1320
01:15:18.979 --> 01:15:20.239
Oh my goodness, dude.

1321
01:15:20.819 --> 01:15:24.520
Pulling the back teeth out, grinding and stuff and doing everything.

1322
01:15:25.630 --> 01:15:29.770
He wanted to pull the teeth. He'd have killed me.

1323
01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:31.510
Yeah, it wouldn't have been great for sure.

1324
01:15:31.529 --> 01:15:32.130
Yeah.

1325
01:15:32.770 --> 01:15:36.800
Oh, no, it wouldn't have been. Yes, I would. I'm

1326
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.239
telling you, I love him. I love Dom.

1327
01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:40.539
He's a great guy.

1328
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:41.659
We've gone out in the woods.

1329
01:15:41.699 --> 01:15:42.000
Oh, yeah.

1330
01:15:42.020 --> 01:15:45.739
The trouble is he'll survive. He'll survive. And you're the

1331
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:46.670
one that's going to die.

1332
01:15:47.090 --> 01:15:50.149
You're going to die. But you've got to be careful.

1333
01:15:50.369 --> 01:15:50.810
He's amazing.

1334
01:15:50.869 --> 01:15:52.909
That's intense, dude. Holy mackerel.

1335
01:15:52.909 --> 01:15:57.810
2004, I guess, uh, Bellingham conference.

1336
01:15:57.890 --> 01:15:58.210
Oh, sure.

1337
01:15:58.250 --> 01:16:02.569
Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, that was a great deal. That

1338
01:16:02.590 --> 01:16:05.939
was really good. A lot of good people there. Lloyd Pye.

1339
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:07.560
I really liked him.

1340
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.560
You got to meet Lloyd Pye in person.

1341
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:10.560
Wow.

1342
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:11.819
I got a picture of him.

1343
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:12.840
No way.

1344
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.020
Oh my goodness, dude.

1345
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:16.060
That must've been awesome.

1346
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:16.529
I got it.

1347
01:16:17.579 --> 01:16:19.689
Yeah. I've got a couple of pictures of me and him.

1348
01:16:19.789 --> 01:16:21.050
I correspond. Oh yeah.

1349
01:16:21.069 --> 01:16:23.880
And that, And the next book, if there's a second book,

1350
01:16:23.979 --> 01:16:26.439
if this book does okay, at least get my money back.

1351
01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:29.260
I'm going to do the second volume. I'm going to

1352
01:16:29.300 --> 01:16:32.319
have him there because I interviewed him just shortly. And

1353
01:16:32.380 --> 01:16:34.840
I didn't even know it. I just run across it

1354
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:37.939
on the computer thing. And on the Honey, I'm a

1355
01:16:37.979 --> 01:16:38.699
Swamp Monster.

1356
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:41.960
Wait, would you have an interview with Lloyd Pye?

1357
01:16:41.979 --> 01:16:43.720
He was very favorable of it.

1358
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:46.810
You interviewed Lloyd Pye?

1359
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:49.720
Only five questions.

1360
01:16:49.779 --> 01:16:52.600
It wasn't an interview, but I was communicating with him.

1361
01:16:53.420 --> 01:16:55.359
And so I wanted to ask his views on the

1362
01:16:55.460 --> 01:16:59.699
Honey Island tracks and stuff. And it was very positive.

1363
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.069
And it's good, too, what he said. He was a

1364
01:17:02.090 --> 01:17:06.770
very intelligent fellow, very knowledgeable. So I got his support

1365
01:17:06.930 --> 01:17:09.430
on that. I didn't even know I had it, but

1366
01:17:09.489 --> 01:17:09.850
I did.

1367
01:17:10.090 --> 01:17:12.069
Yeah, you got to include that. That would be fascinating.

1368
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:13.420
That's really cool.

1369
01:17:13.460 --> 01:17:15.819
Yeah, well, there's going to be a whole thing on

1370
01:17:15.859 --> 01:17:19.239
that Honey Island Swamp Monster. I've been down there three times,

1371
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.579
and I did a pretty good investigation, I think.

1372
01:17:22.539 --> 01:17:27.819
And, yeah. And, well, it's going to be interesting.

1373
01:17:28.260 --> 01:17:30.380
You can put a lot in there, because I remember

1374
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:35.960
we've had conversations about, you know, you had dealings with MK,

1375
01:17:35.979 --> 01:17:38.390
which MK is a great guy. MK Davis, got to

1376
01:17:38.430 --> 01:17:41.369
meet him in Oak Ridge. We all went out, and funny,

1377
01:17:41.430 --> 01:17:43.989
funny dude. But yeah, there's a lot of history there.

1378
01:17:44.149 --> 01:17:44.989
I remember with the honey.

1379
01:17:45.130 --> 01:17:49.770
Yeah, he turned around. I've got his info. But he wrote, too.

1380
01:17:49.810 --> 01:17:52.649
He said in the face of hard evidence, he didn't

1381
01:17:52.689 --> 01:17:53.970
have a problem changing his mind.

1382
01:17:54.010 --> 01:17:55.670
He believes they're there. He knows they're there now.

1383
01:17:55.890 --> 01:17:59.180
Oh, yeah. That's awesome. But yeah, so that's going to

1384
01:17:59.189 --> 01:18:04.460
be interesting. In fact, I've got it all down. I

1385
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:07.300
got a lot of this stuff down already. There's a volume, too.

1386
01:18:08.340 --> 01:18:10.020
I hope there is. You kind of said there was

1387
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:11.180
going to be in the books.

1388
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:16.079
I think it's going to be more interesting. Well, yeah.

1389
01:18:16.659 --> 01:18:18.300
It costs money to put out a book.

1390
01:18:18.420 --> 01:18:18.779
I know it.

1391
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:24.989
And I want to do it. I think it's going

1392
01:18:25.010 --> 01:18:27.329
to be much more interesting than this one.

1393
01:18:28.149 --> 01:18:29.689
Ronnie, I just want to say thank you for coming

1394
01:18:29.750 --> 01:18:34.560
on the show again. I want to say again, real quick, listeners,

1395
01:18:35.590 --> 01:18:38.600
I'm in the description. I will have the link to

1396
01:18:38.649 --> 01:18:41.460
Ronnie's new book, Bigfoot and Two Steps Beyond. You can

1397
01:18:41.500 --> 01:18:44.720
get it on Amazon. The link will be there. It's

1398
01:18:44.739 --> 01:18:49.050
volume one. Also, Ronnie, something that I'm starting to do,

1399
01:18:49.069 --> 01:18:53.869
just because I take spiritual warfare really serious now, I

1400
01:18:53.909 --> 01:18:55.560
do want to take a few minutes to pray before

1401
01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.300
the end of our interview, if that's okay.

1402
01:18:58.600 --> 01:18:59.539
Oh, you want to do what now?

1403
01:18:59.659 --> 01:19:01.100
I just want to pray real quick before the end

1404
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.199
of our interview.

1405
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.920
Oh, yes. No problem with that. And I want to

1406
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:06.600
tell you a little story if you've got some time

1407
01:19:06.699 --> 01:19:06.939
on that.

1408
01:19:07.220 --> 01:19:07.539
Yeah, sure.

1409
01:19:07.659 --> 01:19:07.779
Yeah.

1410
01:19:08.590 --> 01:19:10.569
Okay, go ahead. You say your prayer.

1411
01:19:10.689 --> 01:19:12.069
Well, I'm going to say it at the very end.

1412
01:19:14.029 --> 01:19:14.210
Pardon?

1413
01:19:14.250 --> 01:19:17.460
I'm going to make sure everything's covered. So go ahead.

1414
01:19:17.619 --> 01:19:19.460
You say your story and then I'll end with that.

1415
01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:19.720
Okay.

1416
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:26.119
Okay. Yeah. I heard a couple of podcasts.

1417
01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:29.760
I usually don't listen to stuff, but I was going

1418
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:31.500
on here and I love you. I like your show.

1419
01:19:31.579 --> 01:19:33.750
I just, you know, I don't need to hear a

1420
01:19:33.789 --> 01:19:34.789
lot of Bigfoot stuff.

1421
01:19:34.949 --> 01:19:35.449
Yeah, thank you.

1422
01:19:35.569 --> 01:19:36.250
But I had.

1423
01:19:39.250 --> 01:19:46.949
You mentioned the name, Jesus. And that's very important. That's

1424
01:19:47.109 --> 01:19:50.789
one thing, when I had the poltergeist and things were

1425
01:19:50.829 --> 01:19:56.909
getting bad, especially physically, when I pray in the name

1426
01:19:56.970 --> 01:19:58.560
of Jesus Christ, it was gone.

1427
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:01.479
You know?

1428
01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:02.569
There's power in it.

1429
01:20:02.579 --> 01:20:04.899
So, yes, there is, definitely. Definitely.

1430
01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:08.600
I think Jesus Christ is God and myself incarnate in

1431
01:20:08.619 --> 01:20:09.560
the flesh. For sure.

1432
01:20:09.659 --> 01:20:12.199
But that's a whole other story. We can discuss that too.

1433
01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.800
But I want to tell you this because it's interesting.

1434
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.789
It'll be in the second book. You're familiar with Dr.

1435
01:20:19.810 --> 01:20:20.529
Mackle, right?

1436
01:20:21.229 --> 01:20:24.409
Yeah. Congo cryptozoologist.

1437
01:20:24.630 --> 01:20:24.850
Yeah.

1438
01:20:24.890 --> 01:20:26.270
Two Congo expeditions.

1439
01:20:28.189 --> 01:20:31.390
I got to know him before they had the International

1440
01:20:31.470 --> 01:20:35.220
Society of Cryptozoology. Oh, wow. And that's a story in itself.

1441
01:20:36.810 --> 01:20:39.590
I didn't know anything about, well, there was no society,

1442
01:20:40.329 --> 01:20:43.270
but he had gotten out his, came out his first

1443
01:20:43.329 --> 01:20:46.310
Congo expedition. That's when I called him up. I got

1444
01:20:46.350 --> 01:20:48.770
his number through university and it wasn't even supposed to,

1445
01:20:49.289 --> 01:20:52.770
it was unlisted. You wasn't supposed to get it. But anyway,

1446
01:20:52.810 --> 01:20:55.270
that's a whole story out of that. But anyway, we

1447
01:20:55.310 --> 01:21:01.140
were doing good communicating and talking about some stuff. And

1448
01:21:01.449 --> 01:21:05.659
I felt that I really loved, great fella. I still

1449
01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:09.659
think the world of him. I miss him. We had

1450
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:14.430
a lot of conversations over the years. But the first

1451
01:21:14.470 --> 01:21:18.130
two or three conversations was doing good. Well, I'm always

1452
01:21:18.170 --> 01:21:21.369
drinking my rum and Coke. So, I mean, like there's

1453
01:21:21.409 --> 01:21:24.510
no limit sometimes, you know, especially when I think I communicate.

1454
01:21:25.130 --> 01:21:27.710
And I felt like I could talk about anything with him.

1455
01:21:28.310 --> 01:21:31.979
But he taught evolution for 40 years, you know. He

1456
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:39.119
was a molecular biologist. So, I was careful getting into

1457
01:21:39.140 --> 01:21:42.520
the weird stuff. I mean, he had some experiences and stuff.

1458
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.350
That's why he was open to it. He's one scientist

1459
01:21:45.750 --> 01:21:49.109
that was open to possibilities and easy to talk to.

1460
01:21:49.130 --> 01:21:52.539
And about the third time talking to him, I started

1461
01:21:52.579 --> 01:21:57.229
getting into the spiritual things. And which is, he could

1462
01:21:57.289 --> 01:22:01.850
explain it in detail. Anything, the white light, light at

1463
01:22:01.899 --> 01:22:04.300
the end of the tunnel because of chemicals and stuff,

1464
01:22:04.340 --> 01:22:08.180
name and all off. And he kind of, he took

1465
01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:11.000
me kind of under his wing. I think he thought

1466
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:13.399
that I was so fast. My God, I had so

1467
01:22:13.420 --> 01:22:16.359
many questions about McKellen Bibby and the Congo. I learned

1468
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:21.460
a lot from him. But so I think he was

1469
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:26.029
a teacher. But he didn't even return calls to other scientists.

1470
01:22:27.069 --> 01:22:31.149
And I talked to him over 25 years, I communicate.

1471
01:22:31.609 --> 01:22:33.890
At one time I had three phone numbers, I could

1472
01:22:33.930 --> 01:22:37.470
call him any time, any place in the world. That's

1473
01:22:37.510 --> 01:22:41.689
how close we were getting. But it didn't start off

1474
01:22:41.729 --> 01:22:45.399
that way. I started getting into spiritual things, and I

1475
01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:50.260
was talking about near death experiences. Well, he explained it

1476
01:22:50.340 --> 01:22:52.899
all the way. And my gosh, it made sense too.

1477
01:22:53.539 --> 01:22:55.310
If I didn't know any better, I would have believed it,

1478
01:22:55.359 --> 01:23:01.380
especially if I'd gotten an education. I think they really

1479
01:23:01.460 --> 01:23:04.770
limit themselves with an indoctrination. I don't care how good

1480
01:23:04.810 --> 01:23:07.909
they are. That's my opinion. But we could get in

1481
01:23:07.949 --> 01:23:12.130
detail on that too. But anyway, I'm telling you about

1482
01:23:12.170 --> 01:23:17.449
this stuff. I was explaining this one incident where this lady,

1483
01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:20.159
She clinically, she was dead.

1484
01:23:21.149 --> 01:23:21.569
She died.

1485
01:23:21.609 --> 01:23:28.529
They're still operating on her. And the next morning, she'd

1486
01:23:28.550 --> 01:23:29.250
come back to life.

1487
01:23:29.270 --> 01:23:30.189
They got her, right?

1488
01:23:30.229 --> 01:23:35.800
But she was gone for an amount of time. And

1489
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:39.500
she heard the two doctors in the hallway outside talking.

1490
01:23:40.460 --> 01:23:42.920
One of them lost the scalpel or something. She was

1491
01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.140
using on her. He lost it. He didn't know it

1492
01:23:45.220 --> 01:23:48.949
or misplaced it. And she heard that, and when he

1493
01:23:49.010 --> 01:23:52.710
came in, she told him where it was. But she

1494
01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:53.989
was dead at the time.

1495
01:23:54.020 --> 01:23:59.239
And the doctor was like, how did she know that?

1496
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:03.680
She said, I was about eight feet over my body

1497
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:05.979
looking at you while you were operating on me, and

1498
01:24:06.020 --> 01:24:12.729
I seen where you put it. So I asked Dr. Mackle,

1499
01:24:12.750 --> 01:24:15.489
I said, how do you explain that? I said, there's

1500
01:24:15.550 --> 01:24:19.909
thousands of cases. And he was honest. He says, I

1501
01:24:19.949 --> 01:24:23.800
don't know. Right. So that was good. So the next

1502
01:24:23.859 --> 01:24:26.060
time I talked to him, I said, well, I'm going

1503
01:24:26.100 --> 01:24:31.659
to another level. I started talking about spiritual things and stuff.

1504
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:36.050
And I think that the main spirit, where the power is,

1505
01:24:36.750 --> 01:24:40.710
I think is Jesus. And he said, that's where we

1506
01:24:40.750 --> 01:24:42.590
part company. Really?

1507
01:24:42.630 --> 01:24:44.609
He wasn't having it?

1508
01:24:44.630 --> 01:24:45.149
That was it.

1509
01:24:45.170 --> 01:24:50.090
We hung up. Oh, no way. I said, well, no.

1510
01:24:50.390 --> 01:24:52.689
But I said, Dr. Maxwell, I said, does that mean

1511
01:24:52.750 --> 01:24:54.909
it's over? And he says, that's exactly.

1512
01:24:54.510 --> 01:24:55.029
What it means.

1513
01:24:55.130 --> 01:24:55.649
And he hung up.

1514
01:24:55.970 --> 01:24:57.029
No way.

1515
01:24:57.510 --> 01:24:57.890
Oh, man.

1516
01:24:57.909 --> 01:25:00.779
Yeah, I was really hurt. And I said, I wish

1517
01:25:00.819 --> 01:25:01.579
I hadn't have done that.

1518
01:25:01.659 --> 01:25:05.600
And it was a great contact about the Congo and stuff.

1519
01:25:05.659 --> 01:25:10.600
And I really kicked myself the butt for it. But

1520
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:12.619
about a month later, I come in from the bar,

1521
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.800
been drinking rum and coke all day, and Oh, I

1522
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.899
got to thinking about that. That's why I had the nerve,

1523
01:25:18.930 --> 01:25:21.930
because I was freaking drinking rum. But that's how I

1524
01:25:21.949 --> 01:25:23.590
had the nerve to call him in the first place

1525
01:25:23.649 --> 01:25:25.350
when I wasn't even supposed to have his line. And

1526
01:25:25.369 --> 01:25:27.130
then I called him, he had pneumonia on top of

1527
01:25:27.149 --> 01:25:30.029
it when I called. Anyway, that's a whole other story.

1528
01:25:30.069 --> 01:25:34.569
But I, so now I've ruined it. After about a month,

1529
01:25:34.670 --> 01:25:36.640
I said, I'm going to call him. I said, the

1530
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:38.779
worst thing that happened, I mean, don't ever call me

1531
01:25:38.819 --> 01:25:41.420
again or hang up on me. So I called him

1532
01:25:42.100 --> 01:25:45.840
and he was nice. He was real nice. It was

1533
01:25:45.899 --> 01:25:50.319
almost like he was skydiving coal. And we talked, we

1534
01:25:50.340 --> 01:25:54.470
didn't mention anything about why we parted. We talked for

1535
01:25:54.510 --> 01:25:57.409
about half an hour, usually an hour, two hours. We

1536
01:25:57.430 --> 01:26:00.210
talked about it. And he says, he says, I'm going

1537
01:26:00.229 --> 01:26:02.489
to be coming in. He was in Chicago. And he says,

1538
01:26:02.550 --> 01:26:05.310
I'm going to be coming into San Diego in a

1539
01:26:05.329 --> 01:26:07.210
couple of weeks. You can do some research at the

1540
01:26:07.250 --> 01:26:11.310
university there. And I said, Dr. Merkel, I says, is

1541
01:26:11.350 --> 01:26:12.369
that an invitation?

1542
01:26:13.069 --> 01:26:13.909
He says, yes, it is.

1543
01:26:14.939 --> 01:26:15.229
Oh, cool.

1544
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:18.380
So me and my wife lived down there.

1545
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:23.779
We stayed with his wife for the day until Mackle

1546
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.310
got out of the university. And Mackle took us all

1547
01:26:26.390 --> 01:26:28.649
out to dinner, me, his wife, and me and my wife.

1548
01:26:29.329 --> 01:26:35.670
Plush place. It was just really neat. Great food, classy place.

1549
01:26:36.329 --> 01:26:39.699
We had our own private section. And my wife was

1550
01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:44.119
at the table next door. Just me and Michael were

1551
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.060
talking to my wife with Lisa.

1552
01:26:46.100 --> 01:26:47.819
His wife, at the next table.

1553
01:26:50.500 --> 01:26:53.399
And I'm asking all these questions about the Congo and

1554
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:58.399
pygmies and everything. And he's not commenting. He just pointed

1555
01:26:58.470 --> 01:27:01.750
it away for a little while. And then he wants

1556
01:27:01.789 --> 01:27:03.310
to know something about the Bible.

1557
01:27:04.850 --> 01:27:05.470
Oh, wow.

1558
01:27:06.689 --> 01:27:11.260
Yeah. So I wasn't getting it right away. I thought

1559
01:27:11.539 --> 01:27:13.619
something was kind of up. You know, you didn't want

1560
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.810
to ever talk to me again. Now here, we're sitting there.

1561
01:27:18.510 --> 01:27:23.750
I guess I was satisfactory on answering this question. And

1562
01:27:23.789 --> 01:27:25.869
then I got back to the Congo that we talked about.

1563
01:27:25.890 --> 01:27:28.050
Then he'd answer my question. Then he'd get back, want

1564
01:27:28.069 --> 01:27:31.470
to know something else about the Bible. And he says,

1565
01:27:31.510 --> 01:27:35.180
that makes sense. He says, it sounded like a fairy

1566
01:27:35.220 --> 01:27:37.439
tale to me. You know, these scientists, they read the Bible.

1567
01:27:38.260 --> 01:27:41.340
But it sounds like a fairy tale book. There's a

1568
01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:44.920
lot of mistranslation and stuff. I don't know how many

1569
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:48.279
people know about that stuff, but there's some error in there.

1570
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:51.520
But you straighten things out, and you can know if

1571
01:27:51.609 --> 01:27:55.369
things are out of context. Anyway, got into that, and

1572
01:27:55.430 --> 01:27:59.750
he was content with that pretty much. And so we

1573
01:27:59.789 --> 01:28:04.060
had a good time. So that felt good. We were friends.

1574
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:05.380
That's awesome.

1575
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:07.039
Yeah.

1576
01:28:07.220 --> 01:28:09.579
And I got 80 miles to drive back. I'm with

1577
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:13.319
my wife and she's telling me about Lisa, what Lisa said, Dr.

1578
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.689
Merkel's wife to her. She said that Ronnie must've struck

1579
01:28:17.739 --> 01:28:22.170
a chord with Roy. So he doesn't even return, uh,

1580
01:28:22.270 --> 01:28:26.229
calls to other scientists. And, uh, so that was kind

1581
01:28:26.390 --> 01:28:31.380
of neat. And she told her something else after we

1582
01:28:31.409 --> 01:28:36.239
had hung up that night, he said, it's over. A

1583
01:28:37.699 --> 01:28:40.859
few days after, within the week or whatever, he loved

1584
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:46.890
his mom. His mom was on the deathbed. He was

1585
01:28:46.939 --> 01:28:49.590
holding her hand and he says, mom, if there's a

1586
01:28:49.609 --> 01:28:51.529
way to show me a sign from the other side,

1587
01:28:51.569 --> 01:28:53.689
would you do it?

1588
01:28:54.270 --> 01:28:55.529
She said, yes, if I can.

1589
01:28:55.550 --> 01:29:01.750
It wasn't very long. He's going at a high rate

1590
01:29:01.789 --> 01:29:05.500
of speed. And I could see Maxwell, his character, doing it.

1591
01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:11.439
And there's, all of a sudden, there's an accident. Several

1592
01:29:11.500 --> 01:29:15.539
cars piled up, semi-involved. It's too late for him to

1593
01:29:15.579 --> 01:29:18.739
get around it. He could, looks like he could have

1594
01:29:18.779 --> 01:29:23.250
died in this. And like other cars had already hit,

1595
01:29:23.270 --> 01:29:31.460
his mom took the wheels and negotiated I was like,

1596
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:35.000
we got ready to cry. Well, you're all right, man.

1597
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.260
And maneuvered him out of it.

1598
01:29:40.180 --> 01:29:45.609
Yeah. So, I called him up the next day and

1599
01:29:45.670 --> 01:29:50.069
asked him if that happened. He says, yes, it did. Now,

1600
01:29:50.090 --> 01:29:53.630
we were on the phone quite a bit after that.

1601
01:29:53.649 --> 01:29:57.399
It lasted over 25 years until it's passed. But I...

1602
01:29:59.109 --> 01:30:02.470
That brought us together. So the thing that separated us

1603
01:30:03.170 --> 01:30:06.180
brought us together. You know? That's special, man.

1604
01:30:06.229 --> 01:30:07.229
Thank you for sharing that.

1605
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:08.720
Yeah.

1606
01:30:08.979 --> 01:30:10.859
And he, it didn't end.

1607
01:30:12.220 --> 01:30:13.779
He had, they had a big place. I don't know

1608
01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:15.159
what the house looked like. I guess it had a

1609
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:21.199
big basement downstairs. And his mom had an industrial sewing machine,

1610
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.890
weighed 500 pounds. And it was on a steel table.

1611
01:30:25.369 --> 01:30:28.229
And just enough room, basically, for that machine, maybe a

1612
01:30:28.229 --> 01:30:31.590
little space. He walked down there and he told me,

1613
01:30:31.619 --> 01:30:37.819
he said, that machine was laying on its side on

1614
01:30:37.859 --> 01:30:44.689
the table. There was no earthquakes, no nothing. It went

1615
01:30:44.710 --> 01:30:47.810
down his mom's machine. He asked for a sign, right?

1616
01:30:50.029 --> 01:30:54.729
So he got that. And as I'm talking over the time,

1617
01:30:55.720 --> 01:31:00.609
he went and looked at her bed. Her favorite was

1618
01:31:00.649 --> 01:31:05.109
a red rose. There'd be red rose pebbles on her

1619
01:31:05.149 --> 01:31:12.939
pillow and on her side of her bed. The last

1620
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:14.979
time I talked to him, about a year before I

1621
01:31:15.260 --> 01:31:18.619
passed away, or most shortly after he passed away, not

1622
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:20.300
too long after the last time I talked to him,

1623
01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:21.140
was in Washington.

1624
01:31:22.090 --> 01:31:25.590
And I said, Dr. Mackler, are you still getting any science?

1625
01:31:25.770 --> 01:31:26.590
He says, yes.

1626
01:31:27.649 --> 01:31:30.600
He says, the the red pebbles, they keep showing up

1627
01:31:30.659 --> 01:31:32.100
on her bed. No way.

1628
01:31:32.430 --> 01:31:35.130
Oh, that is wild. Yeah. Yeah.

1629
01:31:36.989 --> 01:31:39.670
It's wild stuff, man. Wild stuff, but.

1630
01:31:39.829 --> 01:31:40.329
Oh yeah.

1631
01:31:40.630 --> 01:31:41.850
Isn't that something? It is.

1632
01:31:41.909 --> 01:31:42.170
Yeah.

1633
01:31:42.329 --> 01:31:42.869
It is wild.

1634
01:31:43.550 --> 01:31:48.590
Ron, what a cool story. I, I got so many memories.

1635
01:31:48.729 --> 01:31:50.489
I can just go over. I can, I can talk

1636
01:31:50.550 --> 01:31:53.380
about it. That's why I'm so energetic about talk about it.

1637
01:31:53.409 --> 01:31:56.210
Cause it, you know, it brings it back to life. I, uh,

1638
01:31:58.739 --> 01:31:59.479
I really love him.

1639
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:02.840
You guys have a special relationship, for sure. I mean,

1640
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:04.850
25 years is a long time to talk to someone

1641
01:32:04.869 --> 01:32:05.149
like that.

1642
01:32:05.189 --> 01:32:06.710
Yeah, from early 1980 till, what was it, 2013 or whatever.

1643
01:32:06.729 --> 01:32:06.890
Okay.

1644
01:32:06.909 --> 01:32:07.470
He passed away.

1645
01:32:07.529 --> 01:32:09.869
Wow, yeah, that sounds about right. But, man, I appreciate it.

1646
01:32:09.869 --> 01:32:21.140
Yeah, I appreciate you chatting today, dude.

1647
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:22.859
Okay.

1648
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:23.720
Let's make sure.

1649
01:32:23.739 --> 01:32:24.840
Oh, yeah.

1650
01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:26.760
Yeah, we got to end it because you know me.

1651
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:27.500
I'll keep talking.

1652
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:28.000
Oh, wow.

1653
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:30.579
But I want to tell you one more on that.

1654
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.300
It was kind of neat. All right.

1655
01:32:32.699 --> 01:32:35.550
I had gotten into her since I got some money.

1656
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:36.489
I moved to Florida.

1657
01:32:37.409 --> 01:32:40.270
And I gave Dr.

1658
01:32:40.289 --> 01:32:42.630
Mackle a call. I hadn't talked to him in a while.

1659
01:32:43.529 --> 01:32:46.260
And we talked. It was always good talking with him.

1660
01:32:47.090 --> 01:32:48.350
And he says.

1661
01:32:50.350 --> 01:32:54.229
He says, Ronnie, Ronnie, he says, once.

1662
01:32:54.090 --> 01:32:56.590
A year, he says, we have a cabinet out in

1663
01:32:56.609 --> 01:32:59.789
the woods, him and two or three other scientists. And

1664
01:32:59.829 --> 01:33:02.880
he says, we get together on the weekend and we

1665
01:33:02.899 --> 01:33:04.079
just talk about things.

1666
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:06.180
And I said, Dr.

1667
01:33:06.220 --> 01:33:09.119
Mack, now this is many years after that thing, but

1668
01:33:10.020 --> 01:33:11.659
I said, is that invitations?

1669
01:33:12.270 --> 01:33:16.069
He says, yes, it is. I say, can I talk

1670
01:33:16.109 --> 01:33:17.850
about anything I want to talk about?

1671
01:33:17.939 --> 01:33:23.810
He says, yes, you can. Pretty neat, huh?

1672
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:27.539
That is really cool. And it's like you never know

1673
01:33:29.659 --> 01:33:33.020
when you start talking freely about stuff. that you believe

1674
01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:36.079
in where it will lead to, right? You just never know.

1675
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:38.960
And it's very cool. I was gonna say it sooner

1676
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.439
or later. I just pictured myself in the buffer. I

1677
01:33:41.460 --> 01:33:45.960
thought I just was too premature, but it wasn't. The

1678
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:47.100
timing was perfect.

1679
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:48.539
Exactly, exactly.

1680
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:52.500
Because shortly after that is when that happened, his mom passed. Oh, wow.

1681
01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:55.560
So that was, anyway, I'll let you go.

1682
01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:57.899
Hey, let's pray real quick before I leave.

1683
01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:59.880
Now I ain't got nobody to talk or visit with

1684
01:33:59.899 --> 01:34:00.560
except my ghost.

1685
01:34:01.829 --> 01:34:02.069
Okay.

1686
01:34:02.109 --> 01:34:03.350
Hold on. Let's pray real quick.

1687
01:34:04.689 --> 01:34:05.170
All right. Sorry.

1688
01:34:05.510 --> 01:34:08.069
I'm chewing some ginger real quick. So, okay, here we go.

1689
01:34:08.390 --> 01:34:09.170
I'm going to pray real quick.

1690
01:34:09.229 --> 01:34:09.670
Okay, Ronnie.

1691
01:34:09.789 --> 01:34:11.229
Yeah. Okay.

1692
01:34:11.260 --> 01:34:11.909
Sure. Yes. Yes.

1693
01:34:11.949 --> 01:34:15.359
Dear Jesus, thank you for this great day. We were

1694
01:34:15.380 --> 01:34:18.779
able to talk with Ronnie and there are some things

1695
01:34:18.819 --> 01:34:22.899
that did come up about the spiritual and the paranormal.

1696
01:34:23.100 --> 01:34:26.659
And we just want to make sure that any spiritual

1697
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.079
activity that is negative is bound and that the devil

1698
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:34.189
is bound. uh, from that conversation to people that are

1699
01:34:34.250 --> 01:34:36.789
listening and to myself and to Ronnie so that we

1700
01:34:36.810 --> 01:34:39.100
do not have to deal with that in any form

1701
01:34:39.340 --> 01:34:42.079
after this. And thank you so much for a good conversation.

1702
01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:46.300
You name it, man. Um, Yeah, dude, I take that

1703
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:47.619
stuff super serious.

1704
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:47.939
Now, man.

1705
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.930
Dude, we will hang out next year. I'm going to

1706
01:34:51.949 --> 01:34:52.369
be back.

1707
01:34:52.390 --> 01:34:53.670
I'm looking forward to it.

1708
01:34:53.710 --> 01:34:55.210
We'll hang out and we'll chat and we'll have a

1709
01:34:55.250 --> 01:34:55.810
good time, dude.

1710
01:34:55.930 --> 01:34:57.890
Yeah, we'll take a lot of you.

1711
01:34:58.130 --> 01:35:00.529
Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. It's both ways.

1712
01:35:01.010 --> 01:35:04.520
All right. All right, well, later on.

1713
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:06.600
You got it. We'll talk later, dude. You have a

1714
01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.300
great rest of your day, okay, Ronnie? Thank you.

1715
01:35:08.340 --> 01:35:09.840
You too. Thanks for the prayer, too.

1716
01:35:10.020 --> 01:35:11.039
Yep. Bye.

1717
01:35:11.220 --> 01:35:12.220
All right, bye.

1718
01:35:16.350 --> 01:35:18.609
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1719
01:35:18.670 --> 01:35:21.909
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1720
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1722
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1723
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1724
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1725
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1727
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1731
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1733
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1734
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1735
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1736
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1737
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1740
01:36:35.350 --> 01:36:39.210
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1741
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1742
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