A Kansas Woman Shares Years of Encounters in the Flint Hills

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society, Welcome back to another episode. I've got the privilege of talking to new friend Linda today. Welcome to the show, Linda, how are you doing?

0:43 Thanks? Jeremiah doing great. Thanks. Linda is a listener of the show and she has an interesting history regarding Bigfoot. We'll probably be talking about that in a few minutes, but she's experienced some things as she's she's gone through life in areas that are extremely active, and so we'll be talking about, you know, some things that she's experienced along the way, but anything else that the listeners would need to know about you before we get going, Linda. Not particularly. I'm the oldest of six and I have five brothers or all bow hunters in northeastern Kansas, and so you know, we.

1:27 Grew up on the edge of a big city. And but we had woods behind our house and so we were outside all the time in that environment. So we've can't fished, hunted and. All that stuff for ever. And I'm not much of a hunter, but I fished before, but it's not my deal. I just like, so I had to find something, so this, this subject came up, and this is what I got into. Okay, So that that is a really good piece of information, I think, because you know, you you also were probably spending time out in the woods, and you're aware of what kind of sounds are out in the woods and what kind of things to expect or not to expect.

2:09 I would imagine, right, Yeah, we used to. I used to find tracks, you know, in the creek beds and follow them and you know, raccoon and I would just rabbit tracks and just go out and just play in the woods and hang out, and same for bait with my brothers. Did that too. I like that. So, Linda, what would be your your first What was your first introduction to the subject of Bigfoot do you think? Well, my dad was watching The Patterson again when film one afternoon when I walked into the living room and I was after his attention, and I saw it was really fixated, and I thought, what's he watching? And I looked and I saw that on TV, and you know, I formed a real quick opinion and it was all wrong that with somebody in a suit. I said, what are you doing, Dad, What are you watching that for?

3:04 He was a big skeptic. And he looked at me with his big brown eyes and he said, I don't know. And I thought, oh, my gosh, this thing could be real, because he you know, for him to even consider it was a big statement to me. So I became interested then because I was curious. I thought, oh, well, if he thinks this is real, I need to find out more about it, you know. And so that was the beginning. But that that's extremely interesting. So he was not sounded like your dad was not an individual that was, you know, really into maybe any other things that were you know, paranormal or of the weird or anything like that.

3:48 Exactly years later, someone asked me, do you think your dad saw something, and I thought, oh, no, you know, I don't think so. Well, the more I thought about it, then the more I remembered that when I was a little girl, I had at that one time just one brother, and I was probably ten and he was he would have been eight. We were picnicking on the side of a mountain near Butte, Montana, and my uncle Bob lived in Butte. So Dad and Uncle Bob smelled something and they thought it was a bear. So they went walking down the side of this mountain. It was a meadow that was kind of at a slope, and we could watch him go down there. And there was a tree line, you know, not too far from this meadow, and they walked in that direction. Well, the next thing I remember is Uncle Bob and Dad came running back up the mountain side and the gun was over their head. It was a run, you know, And so we took off for the car. And my mother had broken her ankle she was on crutches, and my little brother and you know, we just we were too young to be responsible for much of anything. We took off, you know, we ran, We got to the car, and I you know, it's funny how when you relive an experience like that, And

5:20 it was a number of years ago, but I remember Dad being out of breath in the car, anxious, you know, and I'm almost certain now I can recall that he was having a conversation with my mother that there. You know, he was sweating. You know that there was something, something was not right. You know that that wasn't a bear, and that they wouldn't tell us kids about it. So yeah, okay, okay. Did you ever have a conversation with your father later in life too, you know, something to the effect of, like, hey, what happened that that day out in Butte, Montana.

6:02 I wish that I had had, but I did not. He didn't tell us about it, and it wasn't until I was an adult. You know, he was gone by then. You know that somebody said, did your dad see something? It just would have never occurred to me that he had, because in northeastern Kansas, it would have had to have been on vacation, you would think, you know, because but you just don't know what you don't know, you know, But I never never came up. He wouldn't have talked about it, and he was such a big skeptic on most things that he didn't dare ask him anything like that, you know. So I know, not that it is extremely close to it, but the Butte, Montana area. Talked to someone in Pony, Montana a long time ago, and so that's kind of a similar area, and they had a visual sighting where I think they got chased in their car.

6:57 Yeah, they did. So then, you know, so you had that early exposure to the Patterson Gimlin film and then that kind of you know, you're not really sure what happened that day in Montana. What was your viewpoint on a bigfoot as you grew up? Is it something that you forgot about or is it always in the back of your mind. Well, I think I forgot about it for a number of years, you know, just got married and raised my family and lived in Kansas. And let's see, it was in seventy seven that we moved to Oklahoma, and we moved just south of Broken Bow, and for southeastern Oklahoma is a known hot spot, you know for sidings. But at that time, there wasn't a whole lot of talk about it, you know, and I wasn't thinking bigfoot back in those days. But we would do a lot of camping at Beavers Bence State Park, and we didn't have any experiences. We were always in an RV kind of tent camping, but in an area where there were a lot of people. But one day it was a day off for myself, I decided to take a solo hike, and I had packed some things and was really excited about being out by myself in the woods. Hadn't been for a long walk in the nature for a long time,

8:28 just being a young mom, and I started walking. I got about oh up a trail that was kind of an isolated part of the park, and I thought, oh, this will be nice. You know. It was a beautiful day. And I walk and I'm going maybe two three hundred feet from the vehicle, and I'm starting to appreciate the nature of things. There was an armadillo scratching around in the undergrowth. It's kind of neat, and I just kept walking. But I hadn't gone very far when I started feeling dread and I thought, what in the world. You know that I'm not going to pay attention to that. You know, I just must be feeling chicken because I'm out here by myself or something. I'm not a chicken, and I just kept walking. But I was getting this message that I needed to turn around and go back to my car, and I thought, huh, I'm not going to pay any attention to that, and I kept walking and it became more and more ominous and heavy, and pretty soon I realized that I'm in remorse that I died and I'm walking nobody ever found me again, and I thought, well, this is crazy. You know, I'm going to turn around and go back to the car. I guess I'm going home.

9:47 It was really scary. So I had a mind speak episode in other words, which at that time nobody ever talked about that kind of thing. And you know, we lived in Oklahoma for a while, moved back to Kansas. Didn't have any more episodes in Oklahoma at that time, but later on, many years later, we moved to Colorado and my mom and dad used to vacation in Park County Bailey, Colorado, and so we went up to Bailey because that was the old stopping grounds for vacations and my dream was to buy a house up there, and eventually we did buy a house in Bailey, and it was on the side of a mountain we had about two feet of flat space behind our foundation, and then it was a drop off and there were ledges and big boulders and it would go all the way down about a quarter of a mile down the side of this big mountain until you got to the river. And so we had a two story home and our bedroom was upstairs, and our bedroom was on that side of the house where you could open your window and with no thread of bears because you're on the second floor, and you could hear the river at night. So that's how we would sleep, even you know, it was spring time,

11:19 it was called outside. There was snow because you know, Colorado springs are not warm, but we had our window open. So at four am one night, as I'm laying there and I don't know that my husband is awake and he's just you know, I thought he was asleep, but he was laying awake as well, we hear this loud, very loud male voice say a word and it was oh, oh, it was oh. It was a really mournful and it came from down below the edge off the cliff side, you know, and there was a flat space down there.

12:11 We kind of cleared it out and I'm kind of thinking, now that's where that thing was at. I really do think that it was a Sasquatch. It was a male voice, but it was way too loud to be human. And we told our friends at the Sasquatch Outpost about it in Bailey, Jim and Daphney Myers. They're great and we became good friends with Jim and Daphne. And of course he's got a lot of good stories at the museum there at the outpost. So the other experience that I had in Bailey, I mean I knew of stories. You know. The fireman had had a sighting on crow Hill, which is the seven percent grade down and it comes around the curve into Bailey if you're heading from Denver into Bailey, but back east of crow Hill and to a place called Pine Junction on two eighty five Highway. If you go straight south, you'll go down the mountain and there's a couple of lakes there, Bear Lake and Crystal Lake, and it's absolutely beautiful. It's b e h R was the spelling, I believe, and it's not a very well known place, but it's maintained by the Forestry Department and there's a huge cabin there that was built I think back in the twenties or earlier than that, and it was just amazing. It was beautiful. It had these big

13:43 cross timbers at the point at the top like this, and it was abandoned but the Forestry Department maintained it and gave tours of it occasionally. And there was a gazebo where Missus Bear, the utility baron's wife would have these Victorian parties and da da da. So we would fish there and my ex husband was fishing and I decided that I would go up the switchback. And there was a trailhead right by this location. So he's on this little deck or dock and he's fishing, and I started up the trailhead and I did the switchback off to the north, and then I came back and now I'm about two hundred feet above him, and I decided just to get his attention for fun and whistle. So our horse whistle that we used in Kansas to call the horses in was kind of a.

14:43 Like that. And I was dry, I had no water with me, and so when I went to whistle, I went and it didn't come out right, and he didn't look up, but something immediately whistled back at me. And I had been in the woods enough to know to, you know, to look around see what that was. It was too loud to be a bird. It mimicked me. Birds in that area don't usually do that. And I knew that on that switchback that there was trail that went up ahead, you know, up above me, and there was a ridge up there, and that could have been out of sight there, but it didn't sound like it came from up above.

15:32 It sounded like it came from straight ahead of me. And where I was standing on this fairly wide trails about three foot wide, there were trees down on the slope and they were probably about six inches in diameter. They weren't very big, and they were pine trees and some aspens in there, and it seemed like all the branches of these trees were at the same level. The lowest branch was all the same level. See, there was no undergrowth. You could see I could have seen something, and I should have been able to have seen what did that and I couldn't. And I that really freaked me out, and I thought, this isn't normal. I'm going back.

16:16 So I walked down real quick and I didn't stop at the fishing bank, and I went all the way to the car and I hollered at him. I said, we're leaving. You need to come with me. We're going home. I don't like this. Something just whistled at me. And what you know, Okay, he's a big skeptic. So that happened. You know, that was kind of scary for me. So that particular area, is that something where you shared then with with Jim over at the outpost, that you'd experience that, Yes, yeah, yeah. I went to the outpost and he has a map in the back where you can pin your sightings or your encounters, and so I stuck a little pin in pine where I was at. We were there for a few years and then we moved back to Kansas and we go on a let's see, I think I'm going to try and take this in order. So there was a time when I had to take my ex husband to work and he dropped his he followed me. He dropped his car off at the shop and then hopped in my car and I took him on to work.

17:34 It was four am, and it was in February. It was probably in the year twenty twenty one, and I dropped him off, and I'm coming back down Highway twenty four, which parallels I seventy in a way between Topeak and Manhattan. And so I'm on twenty four and I'm I'm headed down this little highway and there's a corner filled off to my right and my lights are shining out this way, and I see movement in the ambient light off of my beams, and I thought, what is that? It's a dog.

18:16 And I kept looking and I thought, well, it's it's all it's all black. And then I noticed the eyes which were slanted like this, and they were glowing gold, and I thought, what in the world is that? And it had a wolf space and. It had two very pointed, pointed black ears on the very edges of the of its head, you know, not here, but like here, and it and the craziest thing about it that was so scary. Was it new that it was just very intelligent looking.

18:57 And it had a very intelligent look on its face. It knew that it was not being seen because it wasn't in the beams of the headlight. He knew I couldn't see it. It was like I could tell what he was thinking, which was weird. And I could see it and it had a very sinister kind of look on its face, like premeditated look on his face, murderous look on its face. It didn't have a normal you know, a coyote or a wolf or a dog, they don't look like that, you know, even a wolf, they don't look like that. They just look like a dog, or like they have a relaxed face. You know, there was no reason this thing didn't look like that. And its legs were real spindly. It wasn't very big. It didn't look big to me. But I'm in my car and it's probably one hundred feet away from me, and it's coming at an angle towards my car, but it you know, not threatening me. And then it was probably headed to the river, which was further down, you know, in that direction it was going. So that was.

20:02 Scary, absolutely so to Peaka. Were you headed east towards Kansas City. I'm not entirely familiar with where Manhattan. Is A fair question. I was between. I was just east of Wamego, so there's a bunch of little, tiny towns, a bunch of little and I was headed back to Wameigo area at an angle to hit ninety nine, so I was going west from midpoint, I suppose between Topeko and Tepeak and Manhattan, but north of I seventy so, and then I would have had to get to ninety nine and go south. So this is an interesting area.

20:47 I never expected to see all of this activity when I lived. When we first moved back from Colorado to live in our little town, we're in the Flint Hills, and my mom was a little further east of us, about twenty minutes, and we put our camper in her driveway and plugged the camper in just to have our own private space. And when we moved from Colorado, my husband had just taken a job and in that area, so we were looking for a house out in that area, but we had our camper, so we stayed in our camper and just plugged it in at mom's and I was in visiting with my mom and my brother, and it got delate and it was about ten thirty, so I was headed outside to go to bed to the camper, and I got to her deck and I clearly heard a wood knock and I froze. I thought, here in Kansas and so I froze. I thought, if I hear another one of those, I'm going to the camper, you know, like that's really going to protact you. But metal sides are better than so sure enough, within a couple seconds, you know there, and I know what was from that direct It was opposite direction. So the first woodknock was off to my left and the other woodknock was ahead of me, off to the right, and I know that

22:18 there was a really nice pond over there and then full of fish, turtles and frogs, because you you know, usually you can hear them, and my mother had a little pond on the other side of the camper, and those frogs are usually really loud to well. Anyway, I went to the camper and I tried to wake my husband up and tell him, but he wasn't paying any attention. And I got back the next day and we were in the house, my mom, my brother, my husband is my husband, and myself. We're all sitting in this living room and. I said, hey, guys, I heard two wood knocks out in Mond's driveway last night. And my ex husband looks at my brother, who my brother is six foot two, he's about two sixty five and it's all upper body.

23:13 It's just a big guy. And he says to my brother, hey, do you remember the other day I was asking you if that was you that was walking past the camper, and my brother said, yeah, that wasn't me. I was in the house watching a movie and he said yeah. But he goes, you know, he had the shades pulled down this big picture window and the camper, and he saw the silhouette walk past, so the shade, you know, just the shadow of something walk past. Well, I measured that window and it's the bottom of it's five foot up in the air, and it's about a three foot window, so for the head to be it would be like seven foot, you know, up that high. And my brother's not that big. So about that time, my brother says, well, there's something around here, could be because he said I heard something really big and heavy moving back behind the barn, which is a metal barn. And then my mother said, well, something was banging on the house. He said, knocking on the door. Just I looked out and there weren't any cars in the driveway, and there wasn't anybody down there at the door, but something was knocking on the on the door, So I'm like, well, this is kind of spooky.

24:32 So I noticed it was every March, you know, so there would be some evidence. One year there was some broken fish that that just a bunch of dead fish in a circle in her yard where the camper had been placed, and it had a bite out of the middle of these fish. How big was the bite in the fish? Well, it was about like that, which would make it like three inches because the fish were only about that big. Got it? Okay? Interesting? And how big were the footprints? Would you estimate footprints were?

25:17 Probably they weren't huge. They were kind of scruffed up where you couldn't really get a good one, you know where they were messed up. Maybe twelve inches okay, was there a lot of space them? Not real big. Yeah. We found another footprint in that area one night that it was a different story, and it was. It was very small. It was about eight inches long and barefooted print in the middle of the winter and an area real close to that. And that was a time when my brother was taking the back roads to my mom's and a dog ran up to the truck and stopped and acted like he wanted help, and my brother you know, thought, oh, this is the dog, the stray dog. There's nobody out here. I'm just gonna take this dog. So he reached over and picked up the dog and put him in the back of the truck.

26:14 And when he did, he heard something grow from behind the truck. And he carries a knife on him, and he had his knife with him, and he looked back there, but he didn't see anything. And he got in his truck and went home. That dog was a really weird dog, and he didn't last very long. He kept running off. I don't know. It was just such a strange thing. But we but my brother told me that story, so I said, well, let's go look for prince. So we went back the next morning and that's where we found that eight inch print and barefooted. You know, yeah, why would why would someone be barefoot in the wintertime, especially in the Midwest.

26:55 Oh my goodness, it gets cold out here. Yeah. Yeah, it gets really bitter and really bitter. Nobody likes it. That's why you find so many overweight people from mist they're all inside eating. Well, we had we had that going on, so let's see. Then we start camping at Lake Wabunsee, and why we While we're doing that, I'm renovating the home that I'm living in. My house, and it's an old Victorian. So I want to tell you that story because I'm afraid I'm going to forget it.

27:41 This is like a drainage. Area, you know. This area drains into the Kansas River and it's part of the Mill Creek and watershed. There are two watersheds out here. I don't remember the name of the other, Wakarusa. I think is these are Indian names, you know. So I'm remodeling the house down here, and I would usually go home about dusk and start dinner. And I went home and I was there alone, and I had my windows open. It was a beautiful day. Spring and it's like seven thirty ish, and.

28:26 I clearly hear. Of course, let me explain. There's my house, and there's this big backyard, and then it backs up to farm land and the cattle are out there in the pasture. And then there's a dirt road, and then there's a cemetery, and then there's the Flint Hills which go on forever, probably three hundred acres or more of Flint Hills, which is a grassland, and you know, our area is a lot more like Missouri than it is. It's not Western Kansas, for everything's flat. And so I'm in the living room and i hear and Ohio, how plain as day? And I'm like, you have got to be kidding me. And this was male, It was tenor, it was a long way away. It was very loud for me to be able to hear it, and you could tell that there was a lot of distance in it.

29:22 But you knew it had to be loud for you to hear it because I know what's out there. You know. And it went on forever, you know, It's like Bobo Fey does his long Ohio how And then after it finished, there were all these screams and they sounded female. They sounded animalistic, and I can mimic. It helped me to it was like, you. Know, they're like. Different and it felt like, you know, to me, it told me it must be date night, right, you know, somebody's making there. Yeah, right, your debut there you go, yeah, you never know, right, that's that's some wild stuff.

30:10 That was crazy. I couldn't believe it. I just thought, Wow, you know, southeastern Oklahoma, and I've got some more stories about Oklahoma. I don't think I told you about being at Honubby yet, so I'll have to go back to that. But you know, in Kansas, you just don't hear that, and you don't hear many stories out of Kansas. I don't think I think that. So the area you've been talking about, which is is like northeast Kansas. Yeah, I think I've gotten like one report from Perry Lake, Kansas where they saw something tall and gray, about eight to nine feet tall, and that was like around twenty ten. I get a lot of stuff from just over the border, like north of Kansas City.

30:54 But yeah, I mean this is a lot of new stuff from the area that you're talking about. It's pretty cool. Mm hmm. It's exciting, you know, to know that you can go out there in the Martians coming up, you know, and here it comes. It seems like that's the magic month for these things. So we would take our camper to Lake waban Sea and I have a tire cover that's a sasquatch on the back of my camper, and I noticed it was pretty it felt, oh, i'd like at dusk, you know, I was noticing that before the coyotes would start yipping. There was another sound and it didn't sound like coyotes. It sounded like monkeys and trees is what it sounded like. Kind of hoots, more of a hoot, you know, not owls. Just weird sounding and stuff like that, you know, not like jungle. Did not sound like coyotes at all. They can sound weird and that would usually trigger them and they would start, you know, their thing. And so I was recording that for the heck of it, and my old phone is kind of toast, but I think there's a little card and there might be able to sneak some of that stuff off where you can send it to you. One particular time, we

32:27 were camped there and the first we were there for four nights, three three nights. So the first night there was a huge tree break right behind our camper. We were the only camper at the r V park because it was early in the season and it's not a very busy place. And the next morning I got up, I mean it was a it was a loud break. It was very very loud, and it did not sound like a wood knock. It was something breaking. It was a huge tree breaking. And I looked at this huge tree right by our camper the next morning, and I thought, okay, where's the damage. And I couldn't see anything, and I thought, well, something I know, I know what I heard. And a couple of years maybe the next summer, I saw another tree that I had missed that was across the street and the top of a tree had been shoved into the v of an existing tree and the brakes didn't match.

33:37 You know, there were limbs that were broken off, and some of them laying on the ground and you might be able to tell where that came from, but not all of them had a place, you know, where they came off. So I was noticing that. That was the first night the tree break. The next day we go for a walk and there was a crane beautiful bird in the water and he was just, you know, peaceful and walking in the shallows, and I thought, well, that's neat. And then that night I hear this loud ah. It wasn't and it sounded I was trying to sound like an owl, but it said whoo instead of hood or you know, I went woo. And then this bird just got it. Something got that bird and it screamed. It was awful, you know, horrific sounding. The next night, there's this huge storm that comes and it's knocking the pictures off the camper walls. We have a few, and it was just rocking it and I'm googling to see what kind of winds are gonna make my camper fall over.

34:58 We're dressed. I think, you know, we may have to get out of here. It finally calms down, but I know there's not going to be any activity that night. And we were breaking down to go home the next morning, and so Mike's husband says, there's a tree structure in front of your car. And I said, I mean a stick structure. I said, oh what, there's sticks in front of your car. So I went out and looked and there was this big X and each one of those sticks they were identical, and they both had a V at the top of them, and they were like this across and right in front of my car on the grass, and there weren't any other sticks around it. All.

35:42 Yeah, okay, yeah, wow, so and else, Yeah, you guys were the only one that one's in there. Right, wasn't anybody else there when I was staying with my mom, you know, they're in that same area Her house is really close to the lake. She's twenty minutes east of it and I'm twenty minutes west of it. This area seems to be kind of active. So I was staying with her because she was sick, and she I opened the back door to get some fresh air and just to check the weather while I'm making coffee.

36:26 It was eight o'clock and there was one quail sound, you know, they make that Bob White kind of sound, and it was that whistle or whatever that is Bob White, you know, and one that's it. It was like they were warning that somebody was coming out that door, because there's usually not any activity there. You know, Before my brothers was staying there, she'd be there for months and on end alone and people visiting, but so they're not used to people living there and opening the door. And the next morning there was another call. I can't remember what it was. It was something like a bird whistle or something. And I think it happened three mornings in a row that. There was one time that I went for a walk around or property and I heard one owl hoot.

37:19 Yeah, that's that. That's always weird when you hear that, like either the one one vocalization or you hear it's like it's the bird sound, but then at the end it turns into like something different. That always is weird too. I think if you try to prove this to yourself and your own mind, you're looking for these things, you know, and you start to see them and they may not sound really exciting to other, but the compilation of all of it together, you know, builds a story for me and think, oh yeah. So we go to Oklahoma and we went to Honebi to the conference. Lyle Blackburn was there, Ken Gerard was there, and it was a funny event.

38:07 The camp host were thirty minutes outside of the conference area at a different RV park and there were lots of campers there and the host invited us to go and hang fruit and bait the trees for the sasquat. And I'm thinking to myself, well, boy, you're brave. I don't think i'd want a bunch of strangers putting fruit in my trees. If this isn't active place because of one nobody feeds them. You know, they're gonna be looking to you and they're not going to be happy. So anyway, but I think better, I think Oh, that's just kind of silly. Just do it, you know whatever. So we had some fruit cups and I had some bright red yarn and we went. So to get to these trees, you have to leave that area down a road, you go over a bridge, you go off to the south, you walk through a field, and then there's a tree line and as soon as it's quite a ways away from the camper, and we hung these things in the tree and then I just made up a couple of whoops, you know, woo whoop, you know, like hi, knock, knock.

39:23 And we walked back and it was in the middle of the day, and then I think we went to back to the conference. Maybe as a break. We went to the conference and we came back that night, and of course our camper door's locked, and it's four in the morning, and they came toward my camper and knocked back, is what happened. That's how I take it. Four o'clock in the morning. Wow, we're sound asleep, and boom boom boom boo on the camper door. And I'm like, oh, I woke up about the middle of the second knock.

40:07 You can hear. It's funny how you wake up, but you realize that something's been happening while you were asleep. You know. I had that realization, and I'm thinking, nobody answers this door. You know, nobody answers this door. But my ex husband was a big skeptic and he would he would entertain danger all the time if he was a little crazy, a little careless. In my opinion, it's like no, no, no, no, you're not gonna get I thought, well, you know, if I over my dead body, you're not opening that door. You're not opening that door. And I'm like, no, you're not, No, you're not. And he didn't. It wasn't going to happen on my watch. And uh yeah, we don't know. I didn't look for footprints. That would have been a good thing. But that side of the camper now leaks up their chores at the top of it, and it was on the top.

40:54 So just so I make sure I have this right on my side. So this was not on the festival grounds, but this is a totally different area where it's a RV park somewhere outside of Honabi, right, Okay, yeah, interesting, Yeah. It was it was crazy. Oh and so that is where the park happened where I got another mind speak, and I think it's interesting that the mind speak just happened in Oklahoma. Yeah, but it's possible that I might have Cherokee heritage in my family. My grandfather's mother had long black hair and a little round face and was very pretty. And I've seen pictures and at one time a car that had Cherokee Indians in it with the big Cherokee hats with a big wide band a ball due respect to the Native American Indians and first people's.

42:01 This car pulled up and my dad was only three, but he ran down and peeked in the window, and they were smoking cigars in this car, and they were all there to see my grandmother. So that we think that there's a tie there, of course, in the Kaimichi's in the Wachita National Forest, you know, in Oklahoma, it's not too far from the area of the Trail of Tears where the Cherokee Indians and the chalk Taws, you know, had to make that horrible pilgrimage, so tragic and terrible. So I decide that I am going to go to the showerhouse and shower, and once I got inside that building, I was able just to lock the entire door because there's nobody there, and Hare's in a towel, you know, got my sweats on. I start hearing a female voice and she starts reassuring me, and so in my head and I don't know who it is, but she sounds older, she sounds Native American, and she very kindly starts telling me that I've done enough for everybody that I need to, you know, just relax, have peace, Stop trying so hard, working so hard all the time to make everybody half, which is what I've always done all my life. And

43:31 it went on for twenty minutes. It was great, and I was a whole different person when I walked out of that building. And we went to the conference again, because it's a couple of days, you know, And I talked to the to the conference, one of the conference leaders about it, and he said something about he's heard other people visitors at the conference tell him that the Woman of the Woods to them. Oh wow. So I thought that was interesting, not necessarily Bigfoot related maybe, but the interesting thing about it was that my curiosity for the sausquatch and the entire genre was completely satisfied at that point. It was like I had absolutely I was always, you know, excited about it and wondering about it, and at that point it was just I could have never picked it up again and I would have been just fine.

44:32 I mean, it's it was odd because it satisfied my curiosity about. That is extremely interesting. So you I mean, from what I'm hearing it, it really put you at peace with everything. M h. It lasted for a long time, over a month. It just really Yeah, it was very impactful. So I don't know, man, it would be really even if you have to tell me off air, it would be interesting to know what that campground was. I have, I have a feeling I have I know where the area is.

45:19 Oh, I just oh neat. I think it's you know, if I could just remember, Yeah, I want to say Honobia all day long, but it's Honbby. But I was schooled on that when I was down there and there's a little store there. There's a little store there, and I know we drove for thirty minutes and I'm thinking that it would have been from the conference center. I want to say it was south, but it was on the same highway. It's a straight shot. Cool. Yeah, Yeah, it was pretty cool. So was it.

46:02 Different than the mind speak that you had gotten in seventy seven? It really was. This was welcoming and reassuring and kind and intended for a good purpose, you know. It was positive. And the other was get out and get out now run for it, don't you know? You don't need to be here and fore voting and oppressive and ominous that other voice. And it really surprised me because I I didn't I didn't want to leave, you know, I didn't want to leave, but I did. And so, yeah, being here in this little town, it's a very antique town.

46:51 You know, it's a neat community. It's almost like a Mayberry in a way, but it's very old and so there are some supernatural things that go on here. I don't know if you're interested in that or no, here back in Kansas, in my house here where I live now, I've. Oh, okay, sorry, sorry, So I mean it is a thing where you see that come up a lot? Where if is that a thing where you think it might be connected to the Bigfoot interactions you've had or what are your thoughts on that? Well? I was watching a podcast one evening and this man was going to tell his bigfoot experience, and then he was the host was letting everybody know that at the end of that he was going to go off topic a little bit and talk about his paranormal experiences. And I thought to myself, well, I'm not going to watch that part of it because I don't want to have any nightmares. I tend to have nightmares, you know, if I get anything to involved in anything that's dark like that.

48:03 You know, I didn't want to think about that. And I made a comment on there, I don't want to have any bad dreams, like a flash dream or something scary. So I'm gonna stop watching this. And I listened to his bigfoot encounter, and then I listened to maybe two minutes of the rest of it, and I shut it off and I just put it out there. I said, you know, Boysure would like I was by myself, but I'm just thinking, boy Ascher would like to have a bigfoot encounter, you know, I sure would like to see one. I want to see one. And I hear this little voice saying to me, the creator won't let us show ourselves to you. Really, But I'm in my living room and I'm like, so, I think that there is a spiritual side of this. I think that, yes, they're flesh and blood, but I think that there's just like human beings are flesh and blood, we also have other aspects, you know. And so I heard that, and I'm a very spiritual person. I'm a very strong Christian person, and I have the Holy Spirit in me, and you know, so I thought, well, I'll just go to bed. So I went to bed, and sure enough, I had one of those nightmares and I had a big foot standing next to my bedside. I woke up screaming, swinging my fists through it. That that's how I woke up.

49:29 So that's interesting. So you've reached out to him. They said, hey, we can't show yourself, but then you're saying it's the same later that day, then you have that dream. Mm hmmm. So they couldn't show themselves to me in the natural, but you know, in a dream. And I don't want to go through that again. He wasn't trying to hurt me or anything. I saw him. I was wanting a road crossing. I didn't want to bedside anyway, you know. And it's really interesting because I've talked to people where they have had visual encounters in their in their bedroom less something has actually appeared and then disappeared. And that was up in northern Ontario at a place that has a lot of quarts a lot of crystals, And I don't know, it seems like there might be a connection there where. If there's locations where there's a lot of quartz a lot of crystals, that can I mean, weird, weird stuff can happen, like I mean, just just east of where you were talking about in Ho Nubby in Mina, Arkansas, where there's a ton of crystals in the ground. I've talked to a person where they had a they were sitting in a van and one appeared inside the van next to them and then just flipped out really weird stuff.

50:55 They were sitting in what they were. Sitting in like a in a and one just appeared inside the van with him and then it was like boom gone. I was like, Oh my goodness, this is weird. It's so it's so weird that I recommend that if you are going to get into it, you need to figure out what it is that you trust in to keep yourself safe and to keep yourself sane. You know what I mean, yeah. I do. Yeah, I'm I don't go there anymore with that, you know, I'm just like, eh, okay, there's it's out there. There's something to that, but I'll probably never figure it out.

51:37 And it seemed like the more that I was getting into the subject, the more it was showing itself to me in a way. You know. It's like it was at Moms, it was at the lake, and it was in Hona me and you know, and and I honestly got to the point where I thought, well, I'm going to have to back away from this subject for a while. It's I'm getting too close to it or it's getting too close to me. It was a weird thing, and I just have a piece about it now. I'm fine, you know, it's okay, okay, But it is very interesting, isn't it. Oh, it's so much. Is so you're at the point now where you know you're okay with it. Stuff happens, it's whatever. Do you think that that might be related to the piece that you felt down in Oklahoma or what are your thoughts on that?

52:29 Well? I think so, you know, when we examine our lives and there's so many different aspects and you have ups and downs, and life gets busy and things just I think to keep it in perspective is good. So I try to do that, and I appreciate the fact that there are things that we don't understand, you know, may never know. Oh, I agree with you. I mean. The weird So I mean, look at the Bible, and there are some really really weird things that happened in that book. And I think it is a little silly of us to think that that stuff stopped happening and that weird stuff doesn't happen today. You know, That's kind of how I think about it. So, yeah, who knows what's going on there in the background that we can't see.

53:26 But as you mentioned, you know, you can have the power of the Holy Spirit, and that can definitely definitely protect you for sure. Linda, it has been really fun talking to you today. I think it's. Probably one of the earliest accounts of mind speak that I've heard so far, which is really really cool. Seventy seven so that is pretty special. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had come to the show to share today. Yeah, I don't think I've left anything out. I tried hard to remember everything that's good, awesome, Thank you very much.

54:06 Absolutely absolutely, and keep us in mind. You know, if anything else happens around your area or on your travels, we'd love to hear about it. But thank you so much for hanging out with us today and for sharing your experiences. Thanks a lot, thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

54:55 I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in lifetime deal.

55:52 It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger of forestreet worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

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