A Lifetime with Bigfoot (Archives)

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Welcome to Bigfoot Society. This episode
we take out of the archives to share

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an older interview with Mary Fabian from
the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. It's a fantastic

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episode, not just about Pennsylvania,
but also Oklahoma as well. You're sure

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to enjoy it if you haven't heard
it already. If this reminds you of

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any Bigfoot encounters you've had or that
you've heard of, please reach out to

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me immediately. Bigfoot Society at gmail
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Now, let's get on with the show,

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all right, Bigfoot Society. I've
gotten the privilege of talking to Mary

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Fabian from the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project tonight. How's it going, Mary, It's

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going great. Oh. I am
excited to have you on tonight and talk

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about your fifty years of Bigfoot research
experience. I was able to get a

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copy of your book What I've Learned
about Bigfoot fifty Years in County, and

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it is just as fascinating you have
had stuff happen literally your entire life.

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It's a great read. It's definitely
going to be a link for that in

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the show notes, so people can
check that out. But is there anything

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else that the listeners should know for
context about you, Mary, besides that

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you've been into bigfoot a whole time
the book, it's fifty years in counting.

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There were a few decades in there
where I did not have any Bigfoot

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experience. I was just a normal
mom, housewife, et cetera. But

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whenever I did have an encounter of
citing whenever I was a child. And

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then things picked up again after a
couple of days, decades and I moved

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into a certain area, and after
that it's been boom. So let's start

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back at the beginning. That's always
the best place to start. What was

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it that first got you into bigfoot? At the beginning, Mary, would

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have been my first sighting, my
first encounters. I was eleven years old

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and just walking along a gas line
and saw a bigfoot. And then later

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on, maybe a couple of years
later, we were camping, my family

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and I were camping up in the
mountains of southwestern Pennsylvania, and I had

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encounters I saw structureatures, tree structures, had rocks thrown at me, tree

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limbs thrown at me, and I
was just a kid. I had no

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idea what was going on, what
was doing it. Between that and my

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sighting, it sparked the curiosity to
learn, and along with my dad talking

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about the wild man or the hairy
man, and he really didn't get too

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much into it. I honestly have
no idea if he had seen one or

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not. He never specifically said if
he had, but he did talk about

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it. And that interest in the
paranormal in general sparked as a teenager and

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continued and then later on in two
thousand and four, whenever I remarried and

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moved to Beaver County, Pennsylvania and
started having some other bigfoot encounters and experiences

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and sightings, that's whenever it was
okay, let's learn more about Bigfoot and

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just digging in and searching for other
people really and that was hard searching for

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people in my area who were experiencing
things. Also, no one would talk,

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so I reached out a little bit
further and found Facebook groups and people

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on Facebook who were talking about it. But then what they were experiencing and

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seemed really didn't match what I was
and it honestly didn't make any sense.

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But I did find a group of
guys down south in Alabama. They were

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scattered through the South and called the
Bigfoot Outlaws. I joined their group talked

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with them. This makes perfect sense
what they were saying. It matched what

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I was experiencing and learning and going
through and what I knew about that particular

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bigfoot who was coming around my home, because it was at that time there

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was a bigfoot harassing me at my
house. At my home, every time

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he would come around, I was
learning more about him, his behavior,

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how well to handle him in particular, and different things, the timing and

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and so on. I make friends
with the guys a big Foot Outlaws,

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and a few of them still remain
friends now. And one of those gentlemen

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is at a Kumbo Yeah speaker,
correct, that's correct. Yes, he

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is. My mentor calls me every
so often and he'll say, you want

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to come out to Oklahoma or somewhere
and go on a research trip, And

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I say, heck, yeah,
all right, we're going to talk about

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that later because that's going to be
amazing. But I wanted not overly skip

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over the foundational stuff. There was
a lot said in that that intro story,

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which is amazing. Thankfully, I've
read your book, so I know

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some of the details as well.
Your first I believe it was your first

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encounter happened in summer of nineteen sixty
seven, correct, that's correct? Yes?

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Was that in southwest Pennsylvania, Yes, Okay, Allegheny County, Okay,

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Chestnut Ridge area nearby, not quite
but near it, maybe a little

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bit north of the It runs into
Westmoreland and Fayette County in the south of

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Pennsylvania and in southwestern Pennsylvania. And
I was maybe forty miles north of there,

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but we did go into the Chestnut
Ridge quite often. We would camp

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there. Do you remember a lot
about that first encounter when you were eleven

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and nineteen sixty seven? What the
creature looked like, what kind of thing

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you were dealing with? Well,
what happened was I was walking along a

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gas line and I was going down
a hill into a haller and on the

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opposite side there were woods on the
right in a field overgrown with brush.

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On my left. The bigfoot came
out of the woods to my right and

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started across the trail that I was
hiking on and he just stopped and looked

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at me. Now, at this
time, I had never heard about Bigfoot,

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never seen or experienced anything about the
Only thing that I knew about a

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big hairy creature there was what I
had seen on TV about the Siberian snowman,

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and that was it. The yettie. Yeah, that was all we

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knew at that time, and I
had no idea what this was. All

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I saw and thought was this is
a big hairy man wearing a fur coat

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in the middle of summer. And
now he was big and hairy, but

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he wasn't wearing a coat. He
was The coat was part of him.

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He was completely black. The details
of his face, all I can recall

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is that he had what I knew
of as Neanderthal features, and that's about

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the only way that I could describe
his features. He didn't act mean towards

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me, He didn't act aggressive,
he didn't do anything threatening. He just

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stopped and looked at me, and
then he just turned and walked continued walking

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into the rush in the field opposite
from us. It may be wonder,

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okay, what was that about?
But then I continued on. But the

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thing is that encounter with this big
hairy man wearing a fur coat. It

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stuck in my memory, you know, for decades, until it connected many

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years later as to what it actually
was that I had seen the fascinating detail

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about that encounter, and I'm sure
most listeners have made the connection. But

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it's crazy how your first encounter took
place a few months before the Patterson Gimlin

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filming, you know, you know, October of nineteen sixty seven, and

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years happened in the summer, So
it makes sense how you would say you

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didn't have that to fall back on
as having seen because it wasn't even filmed

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yet. No, do you remember
the first time you saw that film as

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a young child or maybe as a
high schooler. Oh, I really couldn't

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say exactly when I saw. My
sister and I would always go to the

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movies, to the movie theater,
and so it would have had to have

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run between movies or something. I'm
certain, but specifically when I honestly couldn't

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tell you. Also, you mentioned
that the creature had Neanderthal features, and

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I found that very interesting. Could
you describe exactly what you meant by Neanderthal

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features? I would say that the
heavy brow, the brow ridge, but

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I think other than that, he
had a lighter skin tone, not quite

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Caucasian, maybe tanned, but lighter
skin tone underneath the facial hair. Interesting.

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I've talked to a few people that
have had sightings as younger children.

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It's it's amazing how it just it's
burned into your memory over the years,

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because I get a lot of feedback
where people are like, oh, come

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on, people aren't going to wreck, They're not going to remember something that

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happened to them when they're eleven.
I think if you had something like that

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happen to you when you were ten
or eleven, you'd be remembering that because

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it's probably something that you would see
when you close your guys at night.

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It wasn't traumatic. It was just
just something about it that did stick in

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my memory, which honestly is strange
because you would think, Okay, I'm

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hiking along the path and running into
a woodsman or something while I'm hiking,

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But no, this stuck. It's
stuck in my memory. Do you remember

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anything about its feet or were you
able to see it actually walk or move

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away from you at all, anything
like that. Yeah, I did watch

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them walk away, but honestly,
I can't remember it, wouldn't you be

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able to give you any specifics about
his walk? No problem, fortunately.

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I also find it interesting how you
mentioned that you've also been camping multiple times

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in the Chestnut Ridge area, which
some crazy stories have come out of that

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area over the years, Stan Gordon, things like that. But oh yeah,

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did anything out of the ordinary happen
to you when you went camping in

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that Chestnut Ridge area of southwestern Pennsylvania. Where we would camp was is behind

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a French and Indian war fort that
George Washington had built back during before the

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Revolutionary War called Fort Necessity, and
there was a campground back behind the fort.

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The campground is no longer there right
now. It's picnic rounds, but

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really no one uses it. It's
pretty much deserted and overgrown. But at

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that time it was a beautiful campground
and it was packed during that period of

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time that was around let me think
sixty nine through seventy two. I'm thinking

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is whenever we would go up there
in camp, and every time we would

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go, first thing, right after
breakfast, I would jump out of the

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trailer or the camp and just run
out into the woods and go explore.

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I'd follow whatever game trails I could
find and just walk for miles and not

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return until right before dark, and
just exploring the whole mountain, which was

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great. I loved it up there. But the only unusual thing though,

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that would happen would be that I
would run into these strange what we know

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now as tree structures. But whenever
I saw them back then, I could

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tell that they were unusual, that
they were not natural, that they were

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logs and tree limbs deliberately placed in
an intricate pattern, and it was obvious

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even to a kid. Occasionally around
those structures, I would be hiking and

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the rocks would be thrown at me, or tree limbs will get thrown at

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me. I took it as okay, I'm trespassing on to somebody's territory,

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and so I would just put up
my hands and say, okay, I'm

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going to turn around and I'm going
to go back. Apparently I wasn't wanted

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there. You got to respect someone's
territory, yeah, because at that point

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you're not even thinking of oh this
is bigfoot. You're just like someone.

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I better be cautious because someone is
not happy with me. I think that's

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a smart move. What you did
as a younger person. There you run

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into some My mother was from West
Virginia and she had hillbilly relatives. Yeah,

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you gotta be care full of others
territory. Who knows what you'll stumble

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upon out in the woods for sure. Oh man, I would love to

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fast forward a bit to where you're
saying that there's a point where you're starting

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to get harassed by a bigfoot.
I'm curious what it means to be harassed

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by a creature like that, What
exactly is happening? Well, in two

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thousand and four, I remarried and
moved about forty miles north of where I

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previously lived and up into Beaver County
with my husband and his home. And

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just about immediately activity would start.
Something would beat on the wall right behind

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my head where I was laying in
bed sleeping. And the first time that

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happened, I heard the single pound
whack on the wall right behind my head,

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and then I heard a garbled,
strange, garbled language, something talking

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to creatures talking to each other.
And that's what we know now as the

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Samurai chatter. Whenever I heard Ron
Mooreheads recordings that I recognized it as being

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samurai chatter. It was just that
when a very deep, gravelly voice is

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similar to that. Whenever I would
be sleeping, something would, like every

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two two and a half to three
weeks, something would come around and whack

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the wall if I was asleep right
behind my head, or else if I

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was awake and sitting out in the
family room watching TV. It would come

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up to the patio door and peek
in the windows and so on. But

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initially I wouldn't see it, and
I wouldn't be aware of it. My

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dog would let me know that it
was there. Now, I'm not certain

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if I had sent you a photo
of her or not, but she would

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lay by that back door constantly,
always watching out that back door, And

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now I know why that was heard
at her guard post, always watching for

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him whenever he would come around.
But the way she would react really upset

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me. As to how she would
react, that is, but she would

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react in a specific way that was
just frankly terrified. We had gotten her

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from a rescue. She was a
border collie, and we were very slowly

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getting her back into gaining confidence in
herself and gaining her voice and being happy

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around humans, us as her family. But whenever he would come by,

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if she would be laying there at
the door, facing the door, and

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she would give a very soft mixture
of a soft growl and wine, very

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soft. Her hackles would go up
and her tail tucked, and she would

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crawl backwards until she was huddled up
against my legs, just shaky in fear,

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just total terror. And this would
go on every time he would come

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around. And of course at first
it would freak me out, what's going

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on? What's scaring her? Because
she wasn't afraid of anything that would come

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around the yard. I thought,
I'm not going to put up with this,

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whatever's going on. I would bring
my pistol and put it next to

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me, and thinking, okay,
whatever's out there, let's see what's going

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on. But at first I wouldn't
go wow to see. But after a

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while I figured out what it was
because I think the one time i'd seen

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him peeking up over the wall at
me, I was out in the backyard

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and I saw him. He was
just looking. All I saw was head

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and shoulders up, and the sun
was right behind him, so he was

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silhouetted. I couldn't make out any
features, but all I could see was

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his hair, which was a beautiful
golden red reddish gold color and sparkling in

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the sunshine. It was very pretty. But whenever I saw him, I

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wagged my finger at him, I
said, I see you you, and

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he ducked his head down and scurried
away. But after that, the next

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time that he came around and would
terrify her, I just I just snapped.

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I was angry, to say the
least, and I jumped up,

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ran out the door, grabbed a
golf club that I had sitting there,

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and I ran out the door after
him, chasing after him and calling them

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names, and don't you come around
anymore, you big bully. And I

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was just angry because he was bullying
my dog and I wasn't going to put

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up with that. It's never fun
when something you love gets bullied. For

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sure, I can I can understand
that. Did things get better for you

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after you reacted like that, or
did they get worse? Well, he

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came around, yeah, same as
usual. The thing was, at first,

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we had security lights in the back
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They would trigger whenever an animal will
come through the yard, and every

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so often I would go out there
and I would see that they had been

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moved so they wouldn't trigger. And
I would tell my husband and I would

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say, why do you keep moving
these lights? I need these to point

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out so they'll trigger whenever this comes
around. He told me he'd never move

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them. We lived in a ranch
home. It was a low ranch home,

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so for an eight foot creature,
they were easily reachable. And what

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he would do he would come up
alongside of the house, just huddle it

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up again the house, and then
reach up and move it. That's what

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I figure that he did so it
wouldn't alert me. There was no light

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that would come on to alert me
about. The only thing that alerted me

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was my dog. Did you ever
find any tracks around the house? Not

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around the house? The ground was
very hard and not good ground around the

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house. But I did find tracks
on the hill behind the house. There

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was a game trail that cut down
above the house. I followed it up

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the hill and I found a few
tracks, and I sent those to you.

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Also, those tracks, though they
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inches long, they weren't full adult
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that was a nursery upon the hill. On the other side of that hill,

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was the Beaver River, a very
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There's old mines along there, old
caves that you'd have to be a

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real mountain climber to get down there
into those. So I never got down

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into there. Remind me, you're
still at that residence center, you at

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a different place now. Yeah,
we moved in twenty sixteen, so that

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went on for twelve years, and
we moved a little bit further out in

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the country and we built a new
home here. And while we're building the

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home, I would check around the
foundation, and yeah, I found footprints

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around the foundation. I found structures, so I knew they were around here.

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But fortunately they don't bother us here. They ignore me, which is

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no problem with me. I tried
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Do you ever hear any any vocalizations
or anything out else sound wise that

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would make you think they're in the
area as well? Yeah, yeah,

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I hear vocals late at night whenever
I take We have another dog now,

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the one we had at the other
house she passed away, but we have

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another border calling now. Take her
out late at night and I'll hear vocals,

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not constantly, just especially in the
early part of the year, around

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March February March, I'll hear vocals. Later on in the summer, like

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into the early fall, I'll hear
more vocals, and usually that's a high

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pitched call or whistle what they'll do, and what I hear is a whistle,

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and then I'll hear the coyotes start
yeah thing And then all of a

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sudden you hear a sudden yep and
a coyote has been killed. Wow.

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Yeah, you really think that he's
just probably getting annoyed and time to take

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it, time to show him whose
boss. Maybe I don't know it's possible

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or else. They hunt them for
for their organ meat before the spring greens

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come up. They'll they'll go after
whatever game that they're catching, and they'll

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usually eat the organ meat for the
rich proteins. And because we were in

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Tennessee with Coombo and the Outlaws back
in seventeen and one of one of the

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people in our party found a coyote
that a bigfoot had killed, and it

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was very obvious that what had killed
it because this coyote was literally twisted like

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a pretzel. That is so interesting. I've talked to a gentleman in Montana.

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There was an experience where I believe
it was a grizzly that had its

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neck snapped. Obviously it had to
be something with hands, and it sounds

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like you encountered something similar on a
smaller form. Yeah, it's like I

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said, the head is pointing one
way and the shoulders or front legs or

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the other way, and the back
legs or twisted this way. And it's

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quite gruesome and really obvious. What
killed it? Because whatever had it add

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to tad hands of posable thumbs and
twisting like an old dish rag. Next

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questions might get a little bit intense, so listeners be advised. I am

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really curious. Was it just twisted
and left there or did it actually eat

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parts of you could tell, Okay, this part is missing because it was

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eaten by the creature anything, I
thought, No, it was it was

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just twisted and left there after it
was killed. I don't think the people

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who found it were able to I
don't think they looked deeply enough to see

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if it had been if any organs
or anything had been removed. I don't

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think so. Going by the photo, because she did take a photo of

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it, and I've studied that photo
quite deeply, and I don't see any

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sign of any cuts or bite marks
or anything. It's just twisted. Makes

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you almost wonder if it was to
send a message if there's these sasquatch,

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coyote, peck warring factions in some
areas of the US. Who knows,

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that's me imagining, but that would
be wild. Has there ever been a

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point when you're out doing field research
and something happens that you're like, this

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is just a little bit too intense
that I don't really want to be where

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I am right now. I'd rather
be back home with my dog. Yeah.

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Occasionally I'll go into an area,
like a few years ago, there's

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a park near here, maybe a
half an hour from me, Marine State

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Park, and I was hiking along
a trail and just all of a sudden,

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it's a feeling of intense danger of
just stop, don't go any further.

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That it just hit me all of
a sudden, and so I thought

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to myself, Okay, I respect
this, I'm not going any further.

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So I what I did do,
though, I stopped and took a series

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of photos with my camera in a
one to eighty degree arc too possibly capture

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something there, and then I left, and a little bit later on I

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was able to study those photos and
I possibly had caught something up in a

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tree. I'm not certain. It's
very pixelated. I see a face that

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could possibly be a primate looking face. I'm not saying it was a small

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one or not. I don't know, but I caught something there. Wow.

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Very interesting. When people ask Mary, what is bigfoot? What is

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your answer to that? I go
by science and evidence and doctor Melba Ketchum's

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DNA or genome project, and from
my own observeyations of primate behavior. A

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mixture between gorilla, chimpanze, and
human something in between there is what I

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have observed. And then doctor Ketchum's
DNA tests they showed non human primate human

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yeah, and then something else which
she identified as nephilim. And a little

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bit later on I was able,
at least in my mind, I confirmed

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to myself that the nephil DNA is
there. Primarily because a trip that I

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had taken out to Oklahoma with Coombo
and a bunch of other researchers. Combo

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was experimenting with what's called a show
far. It's like a curved horn correct

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it's a rams horn, and the
Hebrews used it in celebration in victory in

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war. Joshua used it whenever he
was marching around the walls of Jericho to

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bring the walls of Jericho down,
which kind of tells you something. They're

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also the frequency the blast, constant
blast in a certain frequency, the power

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that has The specific show far that
Cumbo had was a I'm not going to

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say what kind it was because I
honestly can't remember, but it was a

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specific type and whenever he would blow
it, they wouldn't respond all the time.

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It was only whenever Kumbo was able
to reach a certain range on that

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horn on the show far. In
that certain range, that's whenever they would

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respond. I know, the one
night we were in an area that we

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nicknamed Purgatory, we were down there. It's a historic area with some violent

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history between Bigfoot and other cryptids and
humans, pretty dangerous area that it just

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gave up really bad vibes whenever we
were down there. But while we were

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there, this was around midnight,
Combo blew the show far and he was

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able to reach that certain frequency and
we got a response from three different Bigfoot,

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three different directions from a couple miles
out. One roared, and the

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other one roared from miles away in
another direction. Then another one roared from

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another direction, and then they would
roar again, and you could tell they

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were getting closer. They were coming
in pretty hot and fast, roaring all

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the way, and they were not
happy, and that you could tell they

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were coming in on us. And
thank god, we had a pretty side,

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pretty good sized group of about fourteen
researchers. We had about seven pickup

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trucks in there that we were standing
around, and whenever the bigfoot came in,

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the three of them, they stopped
about fifty yards out and they were

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back behind some brush and trees,
but we could see shadows, we could

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see their eyes shine and everything,
and hear little things now and then told

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us where they were. That was
a pretty hairy night. But what they

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did, though, like I said, they stopped, and the feeling that

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I got was that they were waiting. They were waiting for a further signal

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or something else, to do something
else, I don't know. But whenever

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that signal didn't come, they just
went away and we knew that they weren't

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there anymore, and it was like, wow, there's a lot to unpack

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from that. That's a that's intense, Mary, It was, Yes,

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it was very intense. My older
sister was with us and she had never

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had a bigfoot experience before. That
was the first one for her, was

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to tell you the truth. She
was completely unaware. She was in the

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back of the truck, too afraid
to come out, no matter where we

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were. And I think she was
just in there, either sleeping or playing

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on her phone. Oh my goodness. But my thought was always I had

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to stay by the truck to protect
her. And I don't know what I

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could have done, but I'm going
to ask. I'm going to ask some

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questions, and you're welcome to decline
them. Was that in southeast Oklahoma?

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Yes? Was that in Lafleora County? To be honest, I don't know

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what county that was in. No? Oh, no, that was not.

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Yeah, okay, man, that
sounds wild. Why do you think

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they responded to the horn like that
with their nuphlum DNA? They would have

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to for listeners that aren't overly familiar
with religious texts. Can you describe in

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I don't know if you have an
easy way to describe exactly when you think

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of a nephilm. What we're dealing
with, enphil is the you look back

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in Genesis in the Old Testament,
and I know there's people who don't believe

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in the Bible who think of it
as fairy tale, and then there's other

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people who look at it as a
history book, which it is. It's

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a history book as well as religious
text. The nephil were the product of

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a mating between fallen angels, angels
who disobeyed God and came down to Earth

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and mate it with women, human
women, and what the women for was

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the nephilum. And so the nephilum
they have angelic DNA along with the human

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DNA, which doctor Ketchum was able
to identify. People have asked me,

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how do you know where did she
get FHL dna? How can you identify

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fl M DNA? A friend of
mine and totally different conversation told me that

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whenever they went to get testing done, their doctor told them that they had

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FLEM DNA. Okay, I will
not go further than that. Yeah,

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I mean that there there's some stories
there, but they probably won't be shared.

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I'm guessing. Wow, I'm just
going to ask you can decline so

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what it was for a regular medical
visit or for testing of a bigfootthair?

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No, it was medical for medical
reasons. Are you kidding me? Yes?

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That's intense. Wow. And the
doctor just busted that out. Oh

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man, wow, you know that
they have DNA. Wow. Do you

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think then there's some bigfoot that are
half Nephelin or they're actually nephilin and we're

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calling them bigfoot or what do you
think about that? There's some people that

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have encounters where it's a physical creature
and they have just regular Bigfoot encounters,

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if you can call it regular.
And then there's other people who describe their

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encounters as being more in the paranormal
range, where they say the Bigfoot hop

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through portals or they come in on
the mist and they do strange magical things.

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Now, whenever I hear those stories, my mind goes to the demonic

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rather than the physical Bigfoot, because
the Bigfoot who hopped through portals and what

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they call inner dimensionals, the things
that they do around these people border on

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demonic quite frankly. And I've warned
a friend of mine about what was going

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on, and I told her,
you've invited them onto your property. Unfortunately,

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you're going to have to do something
to get them away, perhaps speak

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with a medium or something who can
help you. How does one invite a

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demonic bigfoot onto their property? You
think that they're bigfoot, and you think,

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oh, how wonderful. I'm going
to have a relationship with these wonderful

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creatures, and that's your first clue. Relationship on a normal basis, you're

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not going to have a relationship friends
going up and shaking their hands or greeting

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them or talking to them and have
them talk to you. That's not going

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to happen unless they are on that
other demonic side. Do you think there

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can be ever situations where, let's
say you have your house, you have

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some acres of land, and you
have bigfoot living there as well. Can

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there ever be situations like that where
it's an act like there's a happy ending

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or will it always end up in
you don't want to leave out food for

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them type deal with flesh and blood
bigfoot that I've had my experiences with.

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Yeah, they just want to be
left alone. They want to be respected,

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they want their territory to be respected. They want to raise their families

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00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:23.320
and just be left in peace.
They don't want a relationship. They just

408
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:31.880
want to be left alone. And
sometimes occasionally you'll run into a nasty one

409
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:37.039
who like the one who came around
my house, you know, who just

410
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:45.280
wants to play games and because they're
bored or whatever. And that's usually the

411
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:52.840
young males don't come around and like
teenagers, they're bored. But once they

412
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:59.679
get older, No, they just
want to be left alone. But I

413
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.880
advise anyone never ever put food out. You don't want to do that.

414
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.960
Let's say there's a listener where they've
been putting food out and they've noticed some

415
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.480
weird stuff. Is there anything they
can do to get out of that situation

416
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.880
or is it just buckle up for
the ride. You may want to move.

417
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:29.039
Yeah, once you begin and they
start taking food on a regular basis,

418
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:38.360
you're pretty much stuck because if you
stop, they will act very vindictively.

419
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:46.800
They may come into your home,
and they have been known to come

420
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:54.920
into homes looking for food. They'll
kill your pets, your live stock.

421
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:02.400
Whenever you do something like that,
it's in danger during your pets, your

422
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:10.719
livestock, your family, your neighbors. It's a dangerous situation that I cannot

423
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:23.639
emphasize enough that once people started.
Don't stop, because that's whenever they'll start

424
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:30.559
destroying things. But even then,
they still may come into your home looking

425
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:37.039
for food. Have you heard reports
of that actually happening where they will come

426
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.639
into your home as they get more
used to the area and like, I'm

427
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.719
going to find more food. Yeah, yeah, I've heard quite a few

428
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:53.280
stories about that. Bear will do
the same. You start feeding bears.

429
00:51:54.599 --> 00:52:00.400
Yeah, they'll come in. They'll
come in looking for more food. They'll

430
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:10.719
break in the homes that they break
into, vehicles. It's dangerous. People

431
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:20.960
have talked to me about it,
asking what they can do, and I

432
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:28.280
just advise them to ya, there's
really not much you can do. You

433
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:35.800
made the mistake of starting. You
honestly can't stop. Just beware, watch

434
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:46.239
guard your house. It's guard your
family. It's a bad situation. I've

435
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:52.760
known a few people who have moved
away. It's trying to escape that.

436
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:58.559
But then the thing is, whoever
purchases their home have now been put into

437
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:02.400
a dangerous situation that they have no
knowledge of what's going on. Yeah,

438
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.760
surprise. Have you ever talked to
a person where it's I have no idea

439
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.519
what's going on. I moved into
this house and I am just getting passed

440
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.320
up by something. I have no
idea what's going on here. Yeah,

441
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:22.920
I've spoken with a few people.
One person that I spoke with figured it

442
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:30.840
out fairly quickly what was going on. His daughter. I think his little

443
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.360
girl was maybe ten years old something
like that. Yeah, she was in

444
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:49.559
a lot of danger and he was
able to do a few things to keep

445
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:58.960
them at least have a mutual respect
somewhat that they wouldn't come near the house

446
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:08.639
anymore. But that was through a
series of using on a daily basis.

447
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:16.920
Practically, I told him, you
start doing target practicing in your yard.

448
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:29.559
Let them know that you're armed,
and wear it whenever you're outside. Let

449
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.960
them know that you have it on
you, along with a few other things

450
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:42.920
that you can try. But yeah, nothing is one hundred As far as

451
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.440
I know, he's still on guard. And this has been about I think

452
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:53.119
around ten years now that we first
started talking about it. Is that Pennsylvania

453
00:54:53.199 --> 00:55:00.519
too, No, he was in
Midwest somewhere. I don't know exactly where.

454
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.000
If you say Iowa, I'm just
going to to freak out and lock

455
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.400
on my doors, That's where I'm
at. Oh, Okay, Yeah,

456
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.519
I honestly don't know what to say, but yeah, they are in Iowa.

457
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.679
Oh really, Oh yes, yeah, Boombo was there a few years

458
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.400
ago. Yeah, he was sorry, I know bigfooter in Iowa, but

459
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:28.840
it's interesting. I'm curious. What
have you heard. Yeah, he and

460
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:36.320
a friend of mine went out.
Oh I wish I knew what specific area

461
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:43.159
of Iowa he was in. I'd
have to look at my notes to see

462
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:51.039
where it was. But he was
talking about that he found sign they potentially

463
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:57.079
ran into one. While one of
the women was in a restroom at the

464
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:06.119
campground. Something came around the side
of the bathroom where she could see through

465
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:15.119
the louvers big hairy feet. Yeah, they heard tree knocks and vocals and

466
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.079
found prints and a lot of other
sign But I'll have to look at my

467
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.880
notes again to see what area of
buying what they were in. I think

468
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.719
I need to have a chat with
mister Koombo. I've not talked to him

469
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.320
on Bigfoot Society. We're going to
need to make that happen for sure.

470
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.719
Yeah, going back to the nephylm
for just a minute. So when you

471
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:46.159
go out and you're going to research
an area where there's been a bigfoot scene

472
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.840
or something, like that do you
have in your mind then that okay,

473
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:57.119
I could be dealing with an undiscovered
grade ape or this could be a nephylm

474
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:02.800
in something highly dangerous or a thing. Whereas certain areas of the country you

475
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:12.360
may have the one happening than the
other. Initially, I my mind is

476
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:23.519
on the physical flesh and blood bigfoot. That's what I search for. I

477
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:30.199
have not run into the other type
yet, and I hope not to.

478
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.840
Along with dog man. I've not
run into a dog man yet, and

479
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:43.960
I don't want to. That's not
something I've be't any interest in exploring or

480
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:50.760
looking for. I'll look up,
you know, history of the area to

481
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:57.320
see if there's other sighting reports.
Whenever I go into an area to see

482
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:02.159
what's going on, I'll look at
them. Map Google Earth is a great

483
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:09.880
resource. You can really zoom in
into areas to see features along with a

484
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:22.679
topographical map where you can see elevations
and see the curvatures of where hillsides and

485
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:36.039
deep valleys are. It helps whenever
you're bigfooting to know these topographical features because

486
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:42.760
there's certain areas where they seem to
hang out a little bit more than others.

487
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:53.559
I look for water ways primarily rivers
or creeks, ponds or lakes also,

488
00:58:53.800 --> 00:59:00.440
but running water more like creeks.
I think they seem to prefer a

489
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:08.440
little bit more, but they will
hang around the lakes. Also, reading

490
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:16.559
a report by the NAWAC out of
Area X, it's very interesting how doctor

491
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.960
Russ Jones pointed this out too.
How it almost seems if you find an

492
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.599
area with a certain amount of annual
rainfall above I want to say, like

493
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.199
thirty five inches, have you found
that to be true as well? You

494
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:37.039
just stated that you found similarities over
the years, But have you found that

495
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:45.119
if the area gets more rain it
could be more fruitful or any thoughts about

496
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:53.239
that? I have found that.
And Koombo also did a study on I

497
00:59:53.280 --> 01:00:00.039
think what he did was a study
on the numbers a big food in different

498
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:10.800
areas, and different areas are much
more conducive to having a higher population a

499
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:17.519
big foot in them, and it
would be areas with a higher instance of

500
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:29.719
rainfall. And fortunately Western Pennsylvania is
an area like that. We do get

501
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:37.239
a high amount of rainfall, maybe
not quite as much as the Pacific Northwest,

502
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:44.039
but we do get a pretty good
amount. And along with the South,

503
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:53.119
the southern US. But then even
then the dryer states like Oklahoma and

504
01:00:53.280 --> 01:01:04.880
Texas, certain areas of it there
is higher populations of them and a higher

505
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:13.480
number of them in certain areas.
Oklahoma is funny because, yeah, it's

506
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:17.679
a drive, but if you look
on a map, that's southeast corner sure

507
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.559
gets a lot of rain. It
does, does Watchita Mountains. It's party

508
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:31.079
time for sure. We found pretty
pretty good amount there. And where we

509
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:45.239
were we camped in the Chickasaw National
Recrea Creation Area and oh my, if

510
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.760
you're in the big footing, go
there. Really it's a fantastic area.

511
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:59.800
It really is. The residents,
the longtime residents who talk about the big

512
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:05.760
but they say the old people they
used to go around. They would sit

513
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.079
by the lake and just watch the
Bigfoot playing on the other side of the

514
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:17.760
lake, just for fun. Yeah, it's a fantastic area there. And

515
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:23.960
along the border, the Texas Oklahoma
border along the Red River, we were

516
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:34.800
along there in another infamous area called
Brown Springs. It was pretty creepy.

517
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.559
There a lot of weird things going
on there. I've not heard about Brown

518
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:45.199
Springs, and that might be just
that I'm still under five years in this

519
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:50.840
subject. So I'm not to the
fifty that you're at, but I've heard

520
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.800
of Area X. I've heard of
other places in Oklahoma, but I haven't

521
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:59.119
heard of Brown Springs. Would you
be able to share a little bit info

522
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:05.960
about them? Brown Springs? A
little bit of history about that area is

523
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:15.119
apparently it was a high amount of
murders in the area. I don't know

524
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:22.480
if it was mafia or what,
I honestly don't recall, but there was

525
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:28.760
a high amount of murders and bodies
found in the area, as well as

526
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:36.320
bigfoot being there. There's a graveyard
up on the hill that a lot of

527
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:43.440
ghost hunters will go to and they'll
find a lot of that. I'm not

528
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.119
in the ghost hunting, but apparently
it's a good spot for ghost hunting.

529
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:58.320
But the bigfoot around there are a
little more aggressive. The one place that

530
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:03.320
we were at, it was very
steep and rutted to get up on the

531
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:11.760
hill. And I'm disabled now,
I can't walk or hike like I used

532
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:17.280
to. I said, I'll just
stay in the truck and while the rest

533
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:24.079
of you go up there. And
the guy said, no, you're coming

534
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:28.159
up. If we have to carry
you, you're coming up. You were

535
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.119
not going to leave you alone down
here, So I said, okay,

536
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:39.719
So I got a couple of hiking
sticks and hobbled my way up. But

537
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:51.039
it's an area that also Coombo has
told a story about where a No,

538
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:58.559
I don't know exactly what year this
happened, but apparently an FBI agent had

539
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:08.000
contacted him and sent him photos and
was consulting with him about a about two

540
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:14.440
bodies. He wanted to know if
Koombo would have any idea if this was

541
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:21.599
bigfoot related or not. There was
a young couple had who had driven into

542
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:32.159
this area around Brown Springs and they
were parking, but apparently a few bigfoot,

543
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:41.400
young male bigfoot came through and found
them, and the young lady was

544
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:53.360
found dead and the young man was
killed also very violently. And so that's

545
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.199
why they didn't leave you alone in
the car, right yeah. That Oh

546
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:06.000
wow, that's intense the Oklahoma.
You don't mess with Oklahoma for sure.

547
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:16.440
No, no, wow. Did
you guys run into anything yourselves? Then?

548
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:21.840
In that area that was out of
the ordinary right there in Brown Springs.

549
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:29.119
We heard a few things and found
prints, but that was about it.

550
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:35.960
We had to hurry back to camp, but we were out there for

551
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:45.000
a full week and whenever I was
telling you about Purgatory. Later that same

552
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:51.320
night, we were on our way
back home or back to camp, and

553
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:57.400
one of the guys in our convoy
was having problems with his truck, so

554
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:02.519
we all pulled over into the parking
lot of a casino on one of the

555
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:10.039
reservations, and everyone else got out
of their trucks and they all were huddled

556
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:15.440
around his truck looking under the hood, and the four of us in our

557
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:21.239
pickup truck, we just stayed there
because we were tired. My sister and

558
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:27.840
I were sitting in the back seat. I was sitting behind the driver and

559
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:35.360
my sister was sitting behind the passenger, Chuck Schlobs. We were just sitting

560
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:41.519
there and the driver, he was
just sitting there playing on his phone,

561
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.360
and my sister she was doing the
same, just playing on her phone.

562
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:50.360
And Chuck and I were both a
little bit more experienced, so we knew

563
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:56.199
that it doesn't matter where you're at, even in the parking lot of a

564
01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.159
casino, twelve point thirty at night, brightly lit parking lot, you still

565
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:06.960
stay alert. I was just looking
out the window. Here comes a bigfoot

566
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:15.920
running between the two buildings, across
the brightly lit parking lot, past the

567
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:21.840
pickup trucks, across a four lane
highway and into the woods on the other

568
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:30.359
side. Chuck, he said,
did you see that? And I said,

569
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:36.279
yeah, said that was a big
foot, and boy he was run.

570
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:46.479
Man, he was really going fast
right across that parking lot. Whenever

571
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:53.279
I got back home, I was
able to figure out how fast approximately he

572
01:08:53.319 --> 01:09:00.319
was running. And what I was
able to do was take point A to

573
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:06.279
point B where he came out of
between the buildings, to where he disappeared

574
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:14.720
into the woods, and I took
that distance along with the time. That

575
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.119
both Chuck and I agreed on was
the amount of time it took him to

576
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:26.359
run from point A to point B, which was about three seconds, and

577
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:31.079
so I was able to figure out
that he was running approximately fifty two miles

578
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:42.079
an hour. So you can pretty
much figure why people think that they can

579
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.920
take a picture. You know,
that they can whip their camera out real

580
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:51.680
fast and take a picture. Well, no, not unless you already have

581
01:09:51.800 --> 01:10:02.359
it running and pointed at that area. That's about it. That is simply

582
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:08.880
wild. I want to make sure
that we talk about we haven't really discussed

583
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:14.359
yet about your how you're the founder
of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project, and I

584
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:16.680
think that's really important. So can
you tell me a little bit about the

585
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:23.479
history of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project,
how that came into play, what that

586
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:27.880
is exactly, all that good stuff. Yes, thank you. Yeah,

587
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:34.000
I'm quite proud of my organization.
Whenever I retired from my job in twenty

588
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:44.119
fourteen, I was able to devote
time and energy into learning more about the

589
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:51.359
Bigfoot. That was whenever I was
really able to start digging deeper and get

590
01:10:51.399 --> 01:11:00.479
into it. And twenty fifteen I
founded the group on Facebook and that's a

591
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:11.279
discussion group and it has morphed and
changed and grown into almost eighteen thousand members

592
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:25.720
now. And we have county chapters
all over Pennsylvania where I've set different people

593
01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:35.520
chapter leads to be in those counties
to get witness reports, to investigate Johnny

594
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:43.439
on the spot whenever a report comes
in that they're there and that they are

595
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:48.319
someone that the witnesses can talk to
in person, a person who lives there,

596
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:57.199
a person who knows the area,
rather than myself traveling all over Pennsylvania

597
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.640
and not knowing areas, not being
able to get there for days or a

598
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:09.680
couple of weeks or something. It
was more a matter of need and wanting

599
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:19.600
to help people that I formed this
and made it grow so much. We've

600
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:28.760
got these county chapters, not quite
in every county, but I think we've

601
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:35.199
got almost forty county chapters now and
there's I think some sixty counties in Pennsylvania.

602
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:43.840
That's a lot going on with the
project. It is, and I'm

603
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:54.640
quite proud of it and very proud
of my people, my chapter leads and

604
01:12:54.680 --> 01:13:00.199
the guys who are in charge of
them, because I've just appointed a state

605
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:09.960
director over the county chapters, because
between the organization itself in the county chapters,

606
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:15.560
it was getting too much for me
alone to handle. So I appointed

607
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:21.840
a friend of mine, Bob Walls, as the state director over the county

608
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:27.880
chapters, and God bless him,
he's dedicated in doing a great work.

609
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:36.680
Do you have an actual live meet
up for the project ever? Yeah.

610
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:45.760
We have camp outs occasionally, and
in fact, just last week last weekend,

611
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we had a camp out available to
all the members over at Salt Fork

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State Park, which is in Ohio, Okay. And we had a real

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good crowd despite the cold weather and
rain and everything. We had I think

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around sixty some people, which was
a great turnout and had a lot of

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a lot of things going on.
There were a few sightings, a lot

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of footprints that were casted, vocals, whistles and eyeshine and structures and it

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was a fantastic weekend. It was
We like to go there a lot because

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it is so active there, but
this past weekend it was off the charts.

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It was going on. That sounds
fantastic. Is that as a project

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open to anyone that would to join
that or what are the requirements for joining

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the group? We are primary on
Facebook. We do have a website Pennsylvania

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bigfoot dot org. But the website
I think links the Facebook group because that's

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where all the activity, that's where
all the discussion, and that's where all

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the information is in the Facebook group. Unfortunately, and I know there's a

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lot of people who don't really care
for Facebook, and I don't blame them

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01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:45.119
a bit, but that's where I'm
able to reach more people and get the

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information out and gather information on there
from people, from witnesses and what we

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provide in our group. Though we
are a little differ from other groups,

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we offer a safe place I do
not tolerate any type of ridicule or harassment.

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And unfortunately, trolls will slip in
now and then and they'll make a

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little trouble, but as soon as
we find out, we boot them out

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01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:32.399
immediately. We do not tolerate because
a lot of these witnesses, they've suffered

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01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:41.079
PTSD from their sighting to begin with
a lot of them, and they'll share

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01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.600
their stories with their family or their
friends, and all they get from them

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01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:54.520
is ridicule from the people who should
be supporting them, and so a lot

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01:16:54.560 --> 01:17:00.880
of them, we are the only
people that they can share with safely without

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01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:05.039
the fear of ridicule, and I'm
proudly say that we do offer that for

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01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:12.039
them. Yeah, I'm in the
group as well, and I can vouch

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01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:15.760
that everything that you have said is
one hundred percent true. It's it's an

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01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.840
awesome place to be a part of. Definitely have the link to that in

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the show notes. But yeah,
you guys are doing some awesome stuff with

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01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:30.840
the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. But Mary, it has been a super fun chat

643
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.039
with you, and thank you so
much for hanging out tonight. Before we

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wrap things up, please if there's
anything else that you would want to make

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sure that people know about what you're
up to anything like that. Now you

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01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:51.279
feel free to spend a few minutes
talking about that right now, all right,

647
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:58.000
please join the group if you're able
to, and share with us,

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01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:05.680
you know what any encounters or experiences
that you may have had. And even

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01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:14.119
though your audience may not be in
Pennsylvania, we have members worldwide. Literally,

650
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We've got friends in Australia and Sweden
and Scandinavia in general, and yeah,

651
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:31.319
Russia, there's a few people from
Russia in there. It's a worldwide

652
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:41.720
group. Even though we are Pennsylvania
Bigfoot Project. We explore and investigate all

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01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.000
over the place. Like I said, I've been out to Oklahoma, down

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South, Canada, all over the
place. But please join us, and

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when you talk about what's going on
and any questions, go ahead and ask.

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Please fantastic. Thank you so much
for coming on, Mary, and

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we'll definitely be checking back with you
in the future to see what other things

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you have gotten into with your research. All right, thank you. Please

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for listening. Her and I can
get out here, we can tell our

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stories Maybe there's somebody else out there
listening it's too afraid to tell their story.

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Maybe this will give them the courage
to come out. And now it

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feels so bad about it, Who
cares what anybody thinks. I know what

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I saw, I know what's out
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on you, you know, shame
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