A Lifetime with Bigfoot (Archives)

0:00 Welcome to Bigfoot Society. This episode we take out of the archives to share an older interview with Mary Fabian from the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. It's a fantastic episode, not just about Pennsylvania, but also Oklahoma as well. You're sure to enjoy it if you haven't heard it already. If this reminds you of any Bigfoot encounters you've had or that you've heard of, please reach out to me immediately. Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com love to talk to you. You wish there was more Bigfoot Society to listen to. There is if you become a supporting member over at patreon dot com, forward slash the Bigfoot Society new members only episode every week. Now, let's get on with the show, all right, Bigfoot Society. I've gotten the privilege of talking to Mary Fabian from the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project tonight. How's it going, Mary, It's going great. Oh. I am excited to have you on tonight and talk about your fifty years of Bigfoot research experience. I was able to get a copy of your book What I've Learned about Bigfoot fifty Years in County, and it is just as fascinating you have had stuff happen literally your entire life.

1:11 It's a great read. It's definitely going to be a link for that in the show notes, so people can check that out. But is there anything else that the listeners should know for context about you, Mary, besides that you've been into bigfoot a whole time the book, it's fifty years in counting. There were a few decades in there where I did not have any Bigfoot experience. I was just a normal mom, housewife, et cetera. But whenever I did have an encounter of citing whenever I was a child. And then things picked up again after a couple of days, decades and I moved into a certain area, and after that it's been boom. So let's start back at the beginning. That's always the best place to start. What was it that first got you into bigfoot? At the beginning, Mary, would have been my first sighting, my first encounters. I was eleven years old and just walking along a gas line and saw a bigfoot. And then later on, maybe a couple of years later, we were camping, my family

2:47 and I were camping up in the mountains of southwestern Pennsylvania, and I had encounters I saw structureatures, tree structures, had rocks thrown at me, tree limbs thrown at me, and I was just a kid. I had no idea what was going on, what was doing it. Between that and my sighting, it sparked the curiosity to learn, and along with my dad talking about the wild man or the hairy man, and he really didn't get too much into it. I honestly have no idea if he had seen one or not. He never specifically said if he had, but he did talk about it. And that interest in the paranormal in general sparked as a teenager and continued and then later on in two thousand and four, whenever I remarried and moved to Beaver County, Pennsylvania and started having some other bigfoot encounters and experiences and sightings, that's whenever it was okay, let's learn more about Bigfoot and

4:25 just digging in and searching for other people really and that was hard searching for people in my area who were experiencing things. Also, no one would talk, so I reached out a little bit further and found Facebook groups and people on Facebook who were talking about it. But then what they were experiencing and seemed really didn't match what I was and it honestly didn't make any sense.

5:08 But I did find a group of guys down south in Alabama. They were scattered through the South and called the Bigfoot Outlaws. I joined their group talked with them. This makes perfect sense what they were saying. It matched what I was experiencing and learning and going through and what I knew about that particular bigfoot who was coming around my home, because it was at that time there was a bigfoot harassing me at my house. At my home, every time he would come around, I was learning more about him, his behavior, how well to handle him in particular, and different things, the timing and and so on. I make friends with the guys a big Foot Outlaws, and a few of them still remain friends now. And one of those gentlemen is at a Kumbo Yeah speaker, correct, that's correct. Yes, he is. My mentor calls me every so often and he'll say, you want to come out to Oklahoma or somewhere and go on a research trip, And

6:42 I say, heck, yeah, all right, we're going to talk about that later because that's going to be amazing. But I wanted not overly skip over the foundational stuff. There was a lot said in that that intro story, which is amazing. Thankfully, I've read your book, so I know some of the details as well. Your first I believe it was your first encounter happened in summer of nineteen sixty seven, correct, that's correct? Yes? Was that in southwest Pennsylvania, Yes, Okay, Allegheny County, Okay, Chestnut Ridge area nearby, not quite but near it, maybe a little bit north of the It runs into Westmoreland and Fayette County in the south of Pennsylvania and in southwestern Pennsylvania. And I was maybe forty miles north of there, but we did go into the Chestnut Ridge quite often. We would camp there. Do you remember a lot about that first encounter when you were eleven and nineteen sixty seven? What the creature looked like, what kind of thing you were dealing with? Well, what happened was I was walking along a gas line and I was going down a hill into a haller and on the

8:18 opposite side there were woods on the right in a field overgrown with brush. On my left. The bigfoot came out of the woods to my right and started across the trail that I was hiking on and he just stopped and looked at me. Now, at this time, I had never heard about Bigfoot, never seen or experienced anything about the Only thing that I knew about a big hairy creature there was what I had seen on TV about the Siberian snowman, and that was it. The yettie. Yeah, that was all we knew at that time, and I had no idea what this was. All I saw and thought was this is a big hairy man wearing a fur coat in the middle of summer. And now he was big and hairy, but he wasn't wearing a coat. He was The coat was part of him.

9:37 He was completely black. The details of his face, all I can recall is that he had what I knew of as Neanderthal features, and that's about the only way that I could describe his features. He didn't act mean towards me, He didn't act aggressive, he didn't do anything threatening. He just stopped and looked at me, and then he just turned and walked continued walking into the rush in the field opposite from us. It may be wonder, okay, what was that about? But then I continued on. But the thing is that encounter with this big hairy man wearing a fur coat. It stuck in my memory, you know, for decades, until it connected many years later as to what it actually was that I had seen the fascinating detail about that encounter, and I'm sure most listeners have made the connection. But

11:11 it's crazy how your first encounter took place a few months before the Patterson Gimlin filming, you know, you know, October of nineteen sixty seven, and years happened in the summer, So it makes sense how you would say you didn't have that to fall back on as having seen because it wasn't even filmed yet. No, do you remember the first time you saw that film as a young child or maybe as a high schooler. Oh, I really couldn't say exactly when I saw. My sister and I would always go to the movies, to the movie theater, and so it would have had to have run between movies or something. I'm certain, but specifically when I honestly couldn't tell you. Also, you mentioned that the creature had Neanderthal features, and I found that very interesting. Could you describe exactly what you meant by Neanderthal features? I would say that the heavy brow, the brow ridge, but I think other than that, he had a lighter skin tone, not quite

12:43 Caucasian, maybe tanned, but lighter skin tone underneath the facial hair. Interesting. I've talked to a few people that have had sightings as younger children. It's it's amazing how it just it's burned into your memory over the years, because I get a lot of feedback where people are like, oh, come on, people aren't going to wreck, They're not going to remember something that happened to them when they're eleven. I think if you had something like that happen to you when you were ten or eleven, you'd be remembering that because it's probably something that you would see when you close your guys at night.

13:30 It wasn't traumatic. It was just just something about it that did stick in my memory, which honestly is strange because you would think, Okay, I'm hiking along the path and running into a woodsman or something while I'm hiking, But no, this stuck. It's stuck in my memory. Do you remember anything about its feet or were you able to see it actually walk or move away from you at all, anything like that. Yeah, I did watch them walk away, but honestly, I can't remember it, wouldn't you be able to give you any specifics about his walk? No problem, fortunately.

14:24 I also find it interesting how you mentioned that you've also been camping multiple times in the Chestnut Ridge area, which some crazy stories have come out of that area over the years, Stan Gordon, things like that. But oh yeah, did anything out of the ordinary happen to you when you went camping in that Chestnut Ridge area of southwestern Pennsylvania. Where we would camp was is behind a French and Indian war fort that George Washington had built back during before the Revolutionary War called Fort Necessity, and there was a campground back behind the fort.

15:16 The campground is no longer there right now. It's picnic rounds, but really no one uses it. It's pretty much deserted and overgrown. But at that time it was a beautiful campground and it was packed during that period of time that was around let me think sixty nine through seventy two. I'm thinking is whenever we would go up there in camp, and every time we would go, first thing, right after breakfast, I would jump out of the trailer or the camp and just run out into the woods and go explore.

16:06 I'd follow whatever game trails I could find and just walk for miles and not return until right before dark, and just exploring the whole mountain, which was great. I loved it up there. But the only unusual thing though, that would happen would be that I would run into these strange what we know now as tree structures. But whenever I saw them back then, I could tell that they were unusual, that they were not natural, that they were logs and tree limbs deliberately placed in an intricate pattern, and it was obvious even to a kid. Occasionally around those structures, I would be hiking and the rocks would be thrown at me, or tree limbs will get thrown at me. I took it as okay, I'm trespassing on to somebody's territory, and so I would just put up my hands and say, okay, I'm going to turn around and I'm going to go back. Apparently I wasn't wanted there. You got to respect someone's territory, yeah, because at that point

17:38 you're not even thinking of oh this is bigfoot. You're just like someone. I better be cautious because someone is not happy with me. I think that's a smart move. What you did as a younger person. There you run into some My mother was from West Virginia and she had hillbilly relatives. Yeah, you gotta be care full of others territory. Who knows what you'll stumble upon out in the woods for sure. Oh man, I would love to fast forward a bit to where you're saying that there's a point where you're starting to get harassed by a bigfoot. I'm curious what it means to be harassed by a creature like that, What exactly is happening? Well, in two thousand and four, I remarried and moved about forty miles north of where I previously lived and up into Beaver County with my husband and his home. And just about immediately activity would start. Something would beat on the wall right behind my head where I was laying in bed sleeping. And the first time that happened, I heard the single pound whack on the wall right behind my head,

19:14 and then I heard a garbled, strange, garbled language, something talking to creatures talking to each other. And that's what we know now as the Samurai chatter. Whenever I heard Ron Mooreheads recordings that I recognized it as being samurai chatter. It was just that when a very deep, gravelly voice is similar to that. Whenever I would be sleeping, something would, like every two two and a half to three weeks, something would come around and whack the wall if I was asleep right behind my head, or else if I was awake and sitting out in the family room watching TV. It would come up to the patio door and peek in the windows and so on. But initially I wouldn't see it, and I wouldn't be aware of it. My dog would let me know that it was there. Now, I'm not certain if I had sent you a photo of her or not, but she would lay by that back door constantly, always watching out that back door, And

20:48 now I know why that was heard at her guard post, always watching for him whenever he would come around. But the way she would react really upset me. As to how she would react, that is, but she would react in a specific way that was just frankly terrified. We had gotten her from a rescue. She was a border collie, and we were very slowly getting her back into gaining confidence in herself and gaining her voice and being happy around humans, us as her family. But whenever he would come by, if she would be laying there at the door, facing the door, and she would give a very soft mixture of a soft growl and wine, very soft. Her hackles would go up and her tail tucked, and she would crawl backwards until she was huddled up against my legs, just shaky in fear,

22:22 just total terror. And this would go on every time he would come around. And of course at first it would freak me out, what's going on? What's scaring her? Because she wasn't afraid of anything that would come around the yard. I thought, I'm not going to put up with this, whatever's going on. I would bring my pistol and put it next to me, and thinking, okay, whatever's out there, let's see what's going on. But at first I wouldn't go wow to see. But after a while I figured out what it was because I think the one time i'd seen him peeking up over the wall at me, I was out in the backyard and I saw him. He was just looking. All I saw was head and shoulders up, and the sun was right behind him, so he was silhouetted. I couldn't make out any features, but all I could see was his hair, which was a beautiful golden red reddish gold color and sparkling in the sunshine. It was very pretty. But whenever I saw him, I wagged my finger at him, I said, I see you you, and he ducked his head down and scurried away. But after that, the next

24:00 time that he came around and would terrify her, I just I just snapped. I was angry, to say the least, and I jumped up, ran out the door, grabbed a golf club that I had sitting there, and I ran out the door after him, chasing after him and calling them names, and don't you come around anymore, you big bully. And I was just angry because he was bullying my dog and I wasn't going to put up with that. It's never fun when something you love gets bullied. For sure, I can I can understand that. Did things get better for you after you reacted like that, or did they get worse? Well, he came around, yeah, same as usual. The thing was, at first, we had security lights in the back of the house that were motion sensitive.

25:15 They would trigger whenever an animal will come through the yard, and every so often I would go out there and I would see that they had been moved so they wouldn't trigger. And I would tell my husband and I would say, why do you keep moving these lights? I need these to point out so they'll trigger whenever this comes around. He told me he'd never move them. We lived in a ranch home. It was a low ranch home, so for an eight foot creature, they were easily reachable. And what he would do he would come up alongside of the house, just huddle it up again the house, and then reach up and move it. That's what I figure that he did so it wouldn't alert me. There was no light that would come on to alert me about. The only thing that alerted me was my dog. Did you ever find any tracks around the house? Not around the house? The ground was very hard and not good ground around the house. But I did find tracks on the hill behind the house. There was a game trail that cut down above the house. I followed it up

26:45 the hill and I found a few tracks, and I sent those to you. Also, those tracks, though they were smaller, maybe not to ten inches long, they weren't full adult ones. Those were juveniles. So apparently that was a nursery upon the hill. On the other side of that hill, was the Beaver River, a very deep river valley, very steep hills. There's old mines along there, old caves that you'd have to be a real mountain climber to get down there into those. So I never got down into there. Remind me, you're still at that residence center, you at a different place now. Yeah, we moved in twenty sixteen, so that went on for twelve years, and we moved a little bit further out in the country and we built a new home here. And while we're building the home, I would check around the foundation, and yeah, I found footprints around the foundation. I found structures, so I knew they were around here.

28:18 But fortunately they don't bother us here. They ignore me, which is no problem with me. I tried my dog on not to dry their attention. Do you ever hear any any vocalizations or anything out else sound wise that would make you think they're in the area as well? Yeah, yeah, I hear vocals late at night whenever I take We have another dog now, the one we had at the other house she passed away, but we have another border calling now. Take her out late at night and I'll hear vocals, not constantly, just especially in the early part of the year, around March February March, I'll hear vocals. Later on in the summer, like into the early fall, I'll hear more vocals, and usually that's a high pitched call or whistle what they'll do, and what I hear is a whistle, and then I'll hear the coyotes start yeah thing And then all of a sudden you hear a sudden yep and a coyote has been killed. Wow.

29:59 Yeah, you really think that he's just probably getting annoyed and time to take it, time to show him whose boss. Maybe I don't know it's possible or else. They hunt them for for their organ meat before the spring greens come up. They'll they'll go after whatever game that they're catching, and they'll usually eat the organ meat for the rich proteins. And because we were in Tennessee with Coombo and the Outlaws back in seventeen and one of one of the people in our party found a coyote that a bigfoot had killed, and it was very obvious that what had killed it because this coyote was literally twisted like a pretzel. That is so interesting. I've talked to a gentleman in Montana.

31:11 There was an experience where I believe it was a grizzly that had its neck snapped. Obviously it had to be something with hands, and it sounds like you encountered something similar on a smaller form. Yeah, it's like I said, the head is pointing one way and the shoulders or front legs or the other way, and the back legs or twisted this way. And it's quite gruesome and really obvious. What killed it? Because whatever had it add to tad hands of posable thumbs and twisting like an old dish rag. Next questions might get a little bit intense, so listeners be advised. I am really curious. Was it just twisted and left there or did it actually eat parts of you could tell, Okay, this part is missing because it was eaten by the creature anything, I thought, No, it was it was just twisted and left there after it was killed. I don't think the people who found it were able to I don't think they looked deeply enough to see if it had been if any organs or anything had been removed. I don't

32:45 think so. Going by the photo, because she did take a photo of it, and I've studied that photo quite deeply, and I don't see any sign of any cuts or bite marks or anything. It's just twisted. Makes you almost wonder if it was to send a message if there's these sasquatch, coyote, peck warring factions in some areas of the US. Who knows, that's me imagining, but that would be wild. Has there ever been a point when you're out doing field research and something happens that you're like, this is just a little bit too intense that I don't really want to be where I am right now. I'd rather be back home with my dog. Yeah.

33:45 Occasionally I'll go into an area, like a few years ago, there's a park near here, maybe a half an hour from me, Marine State Park, and I was hiking along a trail and just all of a sudden, it's a feeling of intense danger of just stop, don't go any further. That it just hit me all of a sudden, and so I thought to myself, Okay, I respect this, I'm not going any further.

34:35 So I what I did do, though, I stopped and took a series of photos with my camera in a one to eighty degree arc too possibly capture something there, and then I left, and a little bit later on I was able to study those photos and I possibly had caught something up in a tree. I'm not certain. It's very pixelated. I see a face that could possibly be a primate looking face. I'm not saying it was a small one or not. I don't know, but I caught something there. Wow.

35:34 Very interesting. When people ask Mary, what is bigfoot? What is your answer to that? I go by science and evidence and doctor Melba Ketchum's DNA or genome project, and from my own observeyations of primate behavior. A mixture between gorilla, chimpanze, and human something in between there is what I have observed. And then doctor Ketchum's DNA tests they showed non human primate human yeah, and then something else which she identified as nephilim. And a little bit later on I was able, at least in my mind, I confirmed to myself that the nephil DNA is there. Primarily because a trip that I

37:04 had taken out to Oklahoma with Coombo and a bunch of other researchers. Combo was experimenting with what's called a show far. It's like a curved horn correct it's a rams horn, and the Hebrews used it in celebration in victory in war. Joshua used it whenever he was marching around the walls of Jericho to bring the walls of Jericho down, which kind of tells you something. They're also the frequency the blast, constant blast in a certain frequency, the power that has The specific show far that Cumbo had was a I'm not going to say what kind it was because I honestly can't remember, but it was a specific type and whenever he would blow it, they wouldn't respond all the time.

38:21 It was only whenever Kumbo was able to reach a certain range on that horn on the show far. In that certain range, that's whenever they would respond. I know, the one night we were in an area that we nicknamed Purgatory, we were down there. It's a historic area with some violent history between Bigfoot and other cryptids and humans, pretty dangerous area that it just gave up really bad vibes whenever we were down there. But while we were there, this was around midnight, Combo blew the show far and he was able to reach that certain frequency and we got a response from three different Bigfoot, three different directions from a couple miles out. One roared, and the other one roared from miles away in another direction. Then another one roared from another direction, and then they would roar again, and you could tell they were getting closer. They were coming in pretty hot and fast, roaring all

39:55 the way, and they were not happy, and that you could tell they were coming in on us. And thank god, we had a pretty side, pretty good sized group of about fourteen researchers. We had about seven pickup trucks in there that we were standing around, and whenever the bigfoot came in, the three of them, they stopped about fifty yards out and they were back behind some brush and trees, but we could see shadows, we could see their eyes shine and everything, and hear little things now and then told us where they were. That was a pretty hairy night. But what they did, though, like I said, they stopped, and the feeling that I got was that they were waiting. They were waiting for a further signal or something else, to do something else, I don't know. But whenever that signal didn't come, they just went away and we knew that they weren't there anymore, and it was like, wow, there's a lot to unpack

41:34 from that. That's a that's intense, Mary, It was, Yes, it was very intense. My older sister was with us and she had never had a bigfoot experience before. That was the first one for her, was to tell you the truth. She was completely unaware. She was in the back of the truck, too afraid to come out, no matter where we were. And I think she was just in there, either sleeping or playing on her phone. Oh my goodness. But my thought was always I had to stay by the truck to protect her. And I don't know what I could have done, but I'm going to ask. I'm going to ask some questions, and you're welcome to decline them. Was that in southeast Oklahoma?

42:30 Yes? Was that in Lafleora County? To be honest, I don't know what county that was in. No? Oh, no, that was not. Yeah, okay, man, that sounds wild. Why do you think they responded to the horn like that with their nuphlum DNA? They would have to for listeners that aren't overly familiar with religious texts. Can you describe in I don't know if you have an easy way to describe exactly when you think of a nephilm. What we're dealing with, enphil is the you look back in Genesis in the Old Testament, and I know there's people who don't believe in the Bible who think of it as fairy tale, and then there's other people who look at it as a history book, which it is. It's a history book as well as religious text. The nephil were the product of a mating between fallen angels, angels who disobeyed God and came down to Earth

44:05 and mate it with women, human women, and what the women for was the nephilum. And so the nephilum they have angelic DNA along with the human DNA, which doctor Ketchum was able to identify. People have asked me, how do you know where did she get FHL dna? How can you identify fl M DNA? A friend of mine and totally different conversation told me that whenever they went to get testing done, their doctor told them that they had FLEM DNA. Okay, I will not go further than that. Yeah, I mean that there there's some stories there, but they probably won't be shared.

45:17 I'm guessing. Wow, I'm just going to ask you can decline so what it was for a regular medical visit or for testing of a bigfootthair? No, it was medical for medical reasons. Are you kidding me? Yes? That's intense. Wow. And the doctor just busted that out. Oh man, wow, you know that they have DNA. Wow. Do you think then there's some bigfoot that are half Nephelin or they're actually nephilin and we're calling them bigfoot or what do you think about that? There's some people that have encounters where it's a physical creature and they have just regular Bigfoot encounters, if you can call it regular. And then there's other people who describe their encounters as being more in the paranormal range, where they say the Bigfoot hop through portals or they come in on the mist and they do strange magical things.

46:52 Now, whenever I hear those stories, my mind goes to the demonic rather than the physical Bigfoot, because the Bigfoot who hopped through portals and what they call inner dimensionals, the things that they do around these people border on demonic quite frankly. And I've warned a friend of mine about what was going on, and I told her, you've invited them onto your property. Unfortunately, you're going to have to do something to get them away, perhaps speak with a medium or something who can help you. How does one invite a demonic bigfoot onto their property? You think that they're bigfoot, and you think, oh, how wonderful. I'm going to have a relationship with these wonderful creatures, and that's your first clue. Relationship on a normal basis, you're not going to have a relationship friends going up and shaking their hands or greeting them or talking to them and have them talk to you. That's not going

48:27 to happen unless they are on that other demonic side. Do you think there can be ever situations where, let's say you have your house, you have some acres of land, and you have bigfoot living there as well. Can there ever be situations like that where it's an act like there's a happy ending or will it always end up in you don't want to leave out food for them type deal with flesh and blood bigfoot that I've had my experiences with. Yeah, they just want to be left alone. They want to be respected, they want their territory to be respected. They want to raise their families and just be left in peace. They don't want a relationship. They just want to be left alone. And sometimes occasionally you'll run into a nasty one who like the one who came around my house, you know, who just wants to play games and because they're bored or whatever. And that's usually the young males don't come around and like teenagers, they're bored. But once they get older, No, they just want to be left alone. But I

50:00 advise anyone never ever put food out. You don't want to do that. Let's say there's a listener where they've been putting food out and they've noticed some weird stuff. Is there anything they can do to get out of that situation or is it just buckle up for the ride. You may want to move. Yeah, once you begin and they start taking food on a regular basis, you're pretty much stuck because if you stop, they will act very vindictively. They may come into your home, and they have been known to come into homes looking for food. They'll kill your pets, your live stock.

50:57 Whenever you do something like that, it's in danger during your pets, your livestock, your family, your neighbors. It's a dangerous situation that I cannot emphasize enough that once people started. Don't stop, because that's whenever they'll start destroying things. But even then, they still may come into your home looking for food. Have you heard reports of that actually happening where they will come into your home as they get more used to the area and like, I'm going to find more food. Yeah, yeah, I've heard quite a few stories about that. Bear will do the same. You start feeding bears.

51:54 Yeah, they'll come in. They'll come in looking for more food. They'll break in the homes that they break into, vehicles. It's dangerous. People have talked to me about it, asking what they can do, and I just advise them to ya, there's really not much you can do. You made the mistake of starting. You honestly can't stop. Just beware, watch guard your house. It's guard your family. It's a bad situation. I've known a few people who have moved away. It's trying to escape that.

52:52 But then the thing is, whoever purchases their home have now been put into a dangerous situation that they have no knowledge of what's going on. Yeah, surprise. Have you ever talked to a person where it's I have no idea what's going on. I moved into this house and I am just getting passed up by something. I have no idea what's going on here. Yeah, I've spoken with a few people. One person that I spoke with figured it out fairly quickly what was going on. His daughter. I think his little girl was maybe ten years old something like that. Yeah, she was in a lot of danger and he was able to do a few things to keep them at least have a mutual respect somewhat that they wouldn't come near the house anymore. But that was through a series of using on a daily basis.

54:08 Practically, I told him, you start doing target practicing in your yard. Let them know that you're armed, and wear it whenever you're outside. Let them know that you have it on you, along with a few other things that you can try. But yeah, nothing is one hundred As far as I know, he's still on guard. And this has been about I think around ten years now that we first started talking about it. Is that Pennsylvania too, No, he was in Midwest somewhere. I don't know exactly where.

55:00 If you say Iowa, I'm just going to to freak out and lock on my doors, That's where I'm at. Oh, Okay, Yeah, I honestly don't know what to say, but yeah, they are in Iowa. Oh really, Oh yes, yeah, Boombo was there a few years ago. Yeah, he was sorry, I know bigfooter in Iowa, but it's interesting. I'm curious. What have you heard. Yeah, he and a friend of mine went out. Oh I wish I knew what specific area of Iowa he was in. I'd have to look at my notes to see where it was. But he was talking about that he found sign they potentially ran into one. While one of the women was in a restroom at the campground. Something came around the side of the bathroom where she could see through the louvers big hairy feet. Yeah, they heard tree knocks and vocals and found prints and a lot of other sign But I'll have to look at my notes again to see what area of buying what they were in. I think I need to have a chat with mister Koombo. I've not talked to him on Bigfoot Society. We're going to need to make that happen for sure.

56:34 Yeah, going back to the nephylm for just a minute. So when you go out and you're going to research an area where there's been a bigfoot scene or something, like that do you have in your mind then that okay, I could be dealing with an undiscovered grade ape or this could be a nephylm in something highly dangerous or a thing. Whereas certain areas of the country you may have the one happening than the other. Initially, I my mind is on the physical flesh and blood bigfoot. That's what I search for. I have not run into the other type yet, and I hope not to.

57:31 Along with dog man. I've not run into a dog man yet, and I don't want to. That's not something I've be't any interest in exploring or looking for. I'll look up, you know, history of the area to see if there's other sighting reports. Whenever I go into an area to see what's going on, I'll look at them. Map Google Earth is a great resource. You can really zoom in into areas to see features along with a topographical map where you can see elevations and see the curvatures of where hillsides and deep valleys are. It helps whenever you're bigfooting to know these topographical features because there's certain areas where they seem to hang out a little bit more than others.

58:44 I look for water ways primarily rivers or creeks, ponds or lakes also, but running water more like creeks. I think they seem to prefer a little bit more, but they will hang around the lakes. Also, reading a report by the NAWAC out of Area X, it's very interesting how doctor Russ Jones pointed this out too. How it almost seems if you find an area with a certain amount of annual rainfall above I want to say, like thirty five inches, have you found that to be true as well? You just stated that you found similarities over the years, But have you found that if the area gets more rain it could be more fruitful or any thoughts about that? I have found that. And Koombo also did a study on I think what he did was a study on the numbers a big food in different areas, and different areas are much more conducive to having a higher population a big foot in them, and it would be areas with a higher instance of

1:00:17 rainfall. And fortunately Western Pennsylvania is an area like that. We do get a high amount of rainfall, maybe not quite as much as the Pacific Northwest, but we do get a pretty good amount. And along with the South, the southern US. But then even then the dryer states like Oklahoma and Texas, certain areas of it there is higher populations of them and a higher number of them in certain areas. Oklahoma is funny because, yeah, it's a drive, but if you look on a map, that's southeast corner sure gets a lot of rain. It does, does Watchita Mountains. It's party time for sure. We found pretty pretty good amount there. And where we were we camped in the Chickasaw National Recrea Creation Area and oh my, if you're in the big footing, go there. Really it's a fantastic area.

1:01:50 It really is. The residents, the longtime residents who talk about the big but they say the old people they used to go around. They would sit by the lake and just watch the Bigfoot playing on the other side of the lake, just for fun. Yeah, it's a fantastic area there. And along the border, the Texas Oklahoma border along the Red River, we were along there in another infamous area called Brown Springs. It was pretty creepy.

1:02:34 There a lot of weird things going on there. I've not heard about Brown Springs, and that might be just that I'm still under five years in this subject. So I'm not to the fifty that you're at, but I've heard of Area X. I've heard of other places in Oklahoma, but I haven't heard of Brown Springs. Would you be able to share a little bit info about them? Brown Springs? A little bit of history about that area is apparently it was a high amount of murders in the area. I don't know if it was mafia or what, I honestly don't recall, but there was a high amount of murders and bodies found in the area, as well as bigfoot being there. There's a graveyard up on the hill that a lot of ghost hunters will go to and they'll find a lot of that. I'm not in the ghost hunting, but apparently it's a good spot for ghost hunting.

1:03:49 But the bigfoot around there are a little more aggressive. The one place that we were at, it was very steep and rutted to get up on the hill. And I'm disabled now, I can't walk or hike like I used to. I said, I'll just stay in the truck and while the rest of you go up there. And the guy said, no, you're coming up. If we have to carry you, you're coming up. You were not going to leave you alone down here, So I said, okay, So I got a couple of hiking sticks and hobbled my way up. But it's an area that also Coombo has told a story about where a No, I don't know exactly what year this happened, but apparently an FBI agent had contacted him and sent him photos and was consulting with him about a about two bodies. He wanted to know if Koombo would have any idea if this was bigfoot related or not. There was a young couple had who had driven into

1:05:21 this area around Brown Springs and they were parking, but apparently a few bigfoot, young male bigfoot came through and found them, and the young lady was found dead and the young man was killed also very violently. And so that's why they didn't leave you alone in the car, right yeah. That Oh wow, that's intense the Oklahoma. You don't mess with Oklahoma for sure.

1:06:06 No, no, wow. Did you guys run into anything yourselves? Then? In that area that was out of the ordinary right there in Brown Springs. We heard a few things and found prints, but that was about it. We had to hurry back to camp, but we were out there for a full week and whenever I was telling you about Purgatory. Later that same night, we were on our way back home or back to camp, and one of the guys in our convoy was having problems with his truck, so we all pulled over into the parking lot of a casino on one of the reservations, and everyone else got out of their trucks and they all were huddled around his truck looking under the hood, and the four of us in our pickup truck, we just stayed there because we were tired. My sister and I were sitting in the back seat. I was sitting behind the driver and my sister was sitting behind the passenger, Chuck Schlobs. We were just sitting there and the driver, he was just sitting there playing on his phone,

1:07:41 and my sister she was doing the same, just playing on her phone. And Chuck and I were both a little bit more experienced, so we knew that it doesn't matter where you're at, even in the parking lot of a casino, twelve point thirty at night, brightly lit parking lot, you still stay alert. I was just looking out the window. Here comes a bigfoot running between the two buildings, across the brightly lit parking lot, past the pickup trucks, across a four lane highway and into the woods on the other side. Chuck, he said, did you see that? And I said, yeah, said that was a big foot, and boy he was run.

1:08:38 Man, he was really going fast right across that parking lot. Whenever I got back home, I was able to figure out how fast approximately he was running. And what I was able to do was take point A to point B where he came out of between the buildings, to where he disappeared into the woods, and I took that distance along with the time. That both Chuck and I agreed on was the amount of time it took him to run from point A to point B, which was about three seconds, and so I was able to figure out that he was running approximately fifty two miles an hour. So you can pretty much figure why people think that they can take a picture. You know, that they can whip their camera out real fast and take a picture. Well, no, not unless you already have it running and pointed at that area. That's about it. That is simply wild. I want to make sure that we talk about we haven't really discussed

1:10:08 yet about your how you're the founder of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project, and I think that's really important. So can you tell me a little bit about the history of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project, how that came into play, what that is exactly, all that good stuff. Yes, thank you. Yeah, I'm quite proud of my organization. Whenever I retired from my job in twenty fourteen, I was able to devote time and energy into learning more about the Bigfoot. That was whenever I was really able to start digging deeper and get into it. And twenty fifteen I founded the group on Facebook and that's a discussion group and it has morphed and changed and grown into almost eighteen thousand members now. And we have county chapters all over Pennsylvania where I've set different people chapter leads to be in those counties to get witness reports, to investigate Johnny on the spot whenever a report comes in that they're there and that they are

1:11:43 someone that the witnesses can talk to in person, a person who lives there, a person who knows the area, rather than myself traveling all over Pennsylvania and not knowing areas, not being able to get there for days or a couple of weeks or something. It was more a matter of need and wanting to help people that I formed this and made it grow so much. We've got these county chapters, not quite in every county, but I think we've got almost forty county chapters now and there's I think some sixty counties in Pennsylvania.

1:12:38 That's a lot going on with the project. It is, and I'm quite proud of it and very proud of my people, my chapter leads and the guys who are in charge of them, because I've just appointed a state director over the county chapters, because between the organization itself in the county chapters, it was getting too much for me alone to handle. So I appointed a friend of mine, Bob Walls, as the state director over the county chapters, and God bless him, he's dedicated in doing a great work.

1:13:29 Do you have an actual live meet up for the project ever? Yeah. We have camp outs occasionally, and in fact, just last week last weekend, we had a camp out available to all the members over at Salt Fork State Park, which is in Ohio, Okay. And we had a real good crowd despite the cold weather and rain and everything. We had I think around sixty some people, which was a great turnout and had a lot of a lot of things going on. There were a few sightings, a lot of footprints that were casted, vocals, whistles and eyeshine and structures and it was a fantastic weekend. It was We like to go there a lot because it is so active there, but this past weekend it was off the charts.

1:14:43 It was going on. That sounds fantastic. Is that as a project open to anyone that would to join that or what are the requirements for joining the group? We are primary on Facebook. We do have a website Pennsylvania bigfoot dot org. But the website I think links the Facebook group because that's where all the activity, that's where all the discussion, and that's where all the information is in the Facebook group. Unfortunately, and I know there's a lot of people who don't really care for Facebook, and I don't blame them a bit, but that's where I'm able to reach more people and get the information out and gather information on there from people, from witnesses and what we provide in our group. Though we are a little differ from other groups, we offer a safe place I do not tolerate any type of ridicule or harassment.

1:16:12 And unfortunately, trolls will slip in now and then and they'll make a little trouble, but as soon as we find out, we boot them out immediately. We do not tolerate because a lot of these witnesses, they've suffered PTSD from their sighting to begin with a lot of them, and they'll share their stories with their family or their friends, and all they get from them is ridicule from the people who should be supporting them, and so a lot of them, we are the only people that they can share with safely without the fear of ridicule, and I'm proudly say that we do offer that for them. Yeah, I'm in the group as well, and I can vouch that everything that you have said is one hundred percent true. It's it's an awesome place to be a part of. Definitely have the link to that in the show notes. But yeah, you guys are doing some awesome stuff with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. But Mary, it has been a super fun chat with you, and thank you so much for hanging out tonight. Before we wrap things up, please if there's anything else that you would want to make sure that people know about what you're up to anything like that. Now you

1:17:46 feel free to spend a few minutes talking about that right now, all right, please join the group if you're able to, and share with us, you know what any encounters or experiences that you may have had. And even though your audience may not be in Pennsylvania, we have members worldwide. Literally, We've got friends in Australia and Sweden and Scandinavia in general, and yeah, Russia, there's a few people from Russia in there. It's a worldwide group. Even though we are Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. We explore and investigate all over the place. Like I said, I've been out to Oklahoma, down South, Canada, all over the place. But please join us, and when you talk about what's going on and any questions, go ahead and ask.

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