Sept. 3, 2024

A Scientist Comes to Grip with the Paranormal Side of Bigfoot

Jenney from New York recounts her spine-chilling Bigfoot encounters, starting with a terrifying sighting at a Utah rest area. As a biologist and former wilderness guide, Jenney explains the surreal experiences that followed, involving tree pushes,...

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Season 1

Jenney from New York recounts her spine-chilling Bigfoot encounters, starting with a terrifying sighting at a Utah rest area. As a biologist and former wilderness guide, Jenney explains the surreal experiences that followed, involving tree pushes, mind-speak, and interactions with her German Shepherd. Her story blends scientific inquiry with the paranormal, featuring strange beings, mysterious vocalizations, and unexplained phenomena on her property. Join us as Jenney delves into her eerie encounters, offering a fascinating insight into the mysterious world of Sasquatch and high strangeness.

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Big for Society. We got

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the privilege of talking to Jenny from New York. Jenny

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is a listener that reached out to me quite a

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while ago about some things that she has been experiencing

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over the years, and it's a privilege to finally be

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able to sit down with her and have a conversation. So, Jenny,

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welcome to the show.

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Thanks Jeremiah. I'm really happy to be here today. So

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I guess you know, would you like me to just

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start with the main topic that I wrote into you about, Yeah,

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with the rest area in Utah. Okay, So I had

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had some experiences before this incident, but I okay put it.

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They they weren't visuals. They were you know, the usual weird,

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unexplainable stuff that can happen in the forest that you

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can kind of like chuckle about and you're like, oh,

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was that a bigfoot? But you can't really like say

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you saw it. So this is my first time I

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ever saw one. So a little bit of background is

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probably necessary here. So I was a wilderness guide for

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eight years, a paid wilderness guide in like Utah, Utah, Oregon, Georgia,

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North Carolina, in New York, pretty much all over the country.

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Before that, I was a guide in a different capacity

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for backcountry snowboarding. And then I loved nature and being outside.

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But I am also I'm a scientist. I love science,

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So I went to school to be a scientist. And

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so I was at this point deep into a biology

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degree and I needed to do my field work for

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my internship, and my field work was environmental science focused,

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and I was also doing a deep dive study into

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cryptogamic soils in Utah and dinosaur bones and land issues

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and kind of this intersection with land issues, wilderness and science.

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And so this brought me out to this amazing place

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in Utah called Capital Reef, and I was just learning

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all I could good and I was spending a lot

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of time alone by my you know alone really sometimes

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backpacking out and spending the night looking at fossils, or

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driving out in my little car, staying in the middle

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of nowhere. So a lot of alone time. And so

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when I had this experience, it was very weird that

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I hadn't had it. I hadn't seen a sasquatch in

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one of these like completely remote places. This was by

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the side of a road in a rest area. So

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a little bit of this backstory is that my dog

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had passed about a year earlier and I was really

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missing my big german shepherd. And so when I was

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on doing this field work outside Capitol Reef, I thought, well,

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I will see if there's any big german shepherds that

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need rescued out of the out of the shelter there

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in Richfield. And so I had found a shepherd that

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I was planning on transporting to Boulder, but because because

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of this incident, I kept this dog, and this dog

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ended up being the main interaction with these sasquatch beings

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into the future. So this is like day one with

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this dog. So I picked this dog out. I've been

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doing field work all summer. I'm in I'm in staying

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in Tori, Utah working and there and then doing my

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field work, and so I'm able to squeeze in some

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time to drive out to Richfield and go pick up

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this dog. And so I get out there. This dog is,

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you know, at death's door. She was going to be

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euthanized that morning. And I say this, I had just

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this mindset of like just love for this dog, and

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I didn't really know her yet. I just was saving

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a wife. And so we were driving back from the

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from the shelter and we were I want to say, well,

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we were driving through the Fish Lake Mountains and there's

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a rest area. I believe it's before you descend down

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into Bichdal. There's this rest area that's a gravel road.

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It's there's hunting campers there at this time of year.

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So this was last week in August, and it's like

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a little reservoir. These are all over Utah for flood

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control and so it's surrounded by stagebrush and there's aspen trees,

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which struck me when I pulled in, and as I

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could swear that I saw people fishing, or that I

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had a sense that people were there fishing. There's like

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these little pullouts along the lake. And so I was

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looking for a place to wash this dog that had

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been in the shelter, and and so I was looking

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for like a place away from everybody. And so I

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went to the end of the little dirt road. This

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again is right along the i'd say highway, but it's

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like a two lane main road through the Fish Lake Mountains.

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And we get out of the car and I, you know,

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we walk out to the lake and it's not cobble,

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so it's the end of the summer, so the water

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is really low. It's hard to walk. And this is

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significant later, but I have The point is I have

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a very clear view of the beach and the aspen

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trees and the campers, and I'm like making a mental

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note like, oh, these are probably people out scoping for

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ELP or they're bow hunters. I can't remember both. The

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season had started, but I didn't I didn't feel alone,

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you know, That's the point here. So I'm splashing water

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on this dog that again I barely know her, and

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she she is terrified of the water, so it's clear

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that something had happened to her. And so in the

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middle of her freaking out with the water me trying

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to wash her, she stiffens and starts growling like you know,

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scary growl, and not at me, but she's staring at

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the aspen trees that are along the beach. So she is,

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you know, staring and growling, and my first thought is, oh,

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there's like a man approaching, or a hunter or something

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like that. So now my attention turns and I see

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that there is a very weird man peeking out from

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behind the aspen trees, and it's it's several little aspen

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clusters from where my cobbled beach starts, so it's you know,

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can't see real clearly at this point, but my dog

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is fixated. And now her bark is like an alarm

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bark or growl like danger. And I didn't know this

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dog really well, but I know German shepherds and I

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knew that grass. So we start getting out of the water,

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and that quote unquote man now moves very fast from

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one aspen tree to the next aspen tree closer to me,

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and he's like punched. He's all gray, his hair is

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over his face. He's skin and bone like. He's got

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these really broad shoulders, but is very bony and is

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making his arms are weird. His hands are like down

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by his knees, and he's kind of like kind of

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shuffly swoopy with his arms like feet or shuffley. Arms

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are a little bit swoopy. But he's not running like

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a regular person would like with elbows up. His hands

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are down. And I heard some I think somebody on

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this podcast say, just like a few episodes ago, there

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was almost cartoonish. Yeah, it was like it reminded me

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of a like one of that bugs bunny monster with

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the broad shoulders and dragging arms. But my brain was like,

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that is a crazy man. That is a crazy man

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coming at me, trying to sneak up at me. So

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at this point he's moved another tree forward, and now

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I can see that he's very tall, and he's behind

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an aspen tree which is comically too small to hide him.

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So now I see these bony shoulders, big broad shoulders

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poking out on either side of the tree and it's

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all in gray, and I'm like, why is that? Why

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is that man gray head head to toe. That's not

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hunting camo, that's not a Gillie suit, that's he's just

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all gray. That's so weird. And and also like I

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can see you like you are doing a terrible job

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of hiding, and they're like, this is a crazy person.

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So and also he's very big, so like a very big,

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creepy crazy person who's hiding his face behind the tree.

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And so so now I'm running for the car. The

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dog is, you know, growling like danger, danger, and but

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we're trying to run over those terrible cobbles and it's

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all open between me and my car. Now this crazy

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man is now moved another tree closer again that crazy

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swoopy movement. And then I now he's peaked out from

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behind the aspen tree looking at me. And what was

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And it took honestly, it took years to like process this.

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The hair was pulled over the face like cousin it.

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And I was like, that is like cousin it. That

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is so weird. So so now I'm like, what is

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this weird tall man with no clothes? But weird hair and.

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Hair he's got long hair and it's pulled over his

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face and he's peeking at me from behind a tree

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and he's coming still coming forward, and so I'm thinking

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about to get snatched.

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By a crazy person. So I now by this time,

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I'm in the car. Dog's in the car. And while

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I got into the car, it moved to the closest

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tree it could to me. So now it's very close,

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like like not rabbed me out of my car. Close,

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But had I not run to my car, he would

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be between me and my car, and or he could

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get between me and my car. So now I tear

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out of there, and as I'm pulling out, he leans

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out behind the tree like I can. I can see

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him looking at me from behind the tree. And again

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I'm thinking, like that is some kind of crazy man

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like trying to snatch me. And also in the back

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of my head, I'm like, why isn't anybody helping me,

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like with the hunters and the fishermen, Like why is

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nobody helping me? That was probably one of the freakiest things,

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was like how did this thing sneak up on me?

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Like how did that? How did that even happen? Where

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did it come from? You know, the sagebrush is not

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very tall, Like what how did that even happen? And

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so I get down to get down to my work

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and tory and like, you know, besides like oh I

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just got myself a stinky club that just saved my life.

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There's a crazy man at the rest area my big

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nol like, and I was talking to people like do

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you know about this? Like do you know about this

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weird skinny, tall man with the hair pull over his

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face and he's all in gray and he walks really weird.

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And everybody looked at me like what are you talking about?

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So that was that was like I thought I was

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getting snatched. Now we're gonna fast forward like years and

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years ahead after having more experiences and seeing more of

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these beings. Of course, I heard somebody, I think it

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was on this podcast talk about seeing one that looked

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like cousin it. And when that person said that, I

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just like it all. It all came into clarity, like,

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oh my god, that sasquatch pulled the hair over his

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face to like obscure his face so it wouldn't be

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as freaky, right, because if I had seen like a

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sasquatch peek out from behind a tree with the full

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face and the brows and everything. I would never have

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waited that long to get in the car, but instead

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my brain was like trying to figure this obscured situation out.

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What do you mean when you say, uh, getting snatched?

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What?

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What did? What's your definition of that?

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So I at the time, I thought it was like

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a crazy person that was trying to like kill me,

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like gonna try to grab me and like like stuff

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me into one of those campers or make me disappear,

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because there is a I mean, I hate to say it,

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but there's like a you know, kidnapping cord of the

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corridor across the Utahue in Kansas, Colorado, and so and

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of somebody trying to grab me before. So it was

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like one part like PTSD and then the other part

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like there's a real threat here, feeling like there was

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a very real threat there that I was going to

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get grabbed. I wasn't thinking like grabbed and eaten or

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could grab me and stuff me in one of those campers.

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Oh absolutely, wow, that that would be horrifying. I'd be

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right there with you, especially if I confess see its face,

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I mean something about that is very weird. So you

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can see everything so weird.

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No, I could see that there was bone structure, like

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you know, that there was eyes, the face was long

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and skinny, and when he moved like lean like I

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wouldn't say lean, but like scooched his face. From around

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the side of the tree, could see hair like movement right,

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so it was like not fabric it was like a

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movement there. So it was it was like, why is

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that man have his hair pulled over his face? It

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was weird or like a you know. I was like,

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at first I saw it from a distance, and I

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thought it was like, why does that man have the

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hood over his head? It's summertime, it's hot. It didn't

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that didn't make sense. And then as it got closer

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I could get more of a feel that this was

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just really this was weird. Something was really weird.

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Were you able to see like a shape to the

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head at all or was the hair just too much?

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It was the hair obscured the like the drawlne the neck,

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the like chined of shoulder aspect.

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Trying to think it was just long and skinny. I'm

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trying to think of something like it. It was. You know,

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I've seen people that are were thin like this, and

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it's just like when somebody is very very thin and

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their their crany on this kind of looks very narrowed.

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But the fate it was long like it. It was

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the head was longer than a person's bike head from

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top of the head, top of the skull to the jaw,

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If that makes sense.

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Did you ever do any research or anything to see

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if similar experiences had happened in that same area or

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anything else.

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Oh, that's such a good question. I never thought too. Weirdly,

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I never thought too. I Yeah, I was so out

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of touch with what it was. I had to leave

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in a couple of days to go do my field work,

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and also I had to then go after this finished up,

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I had to then go spend the next few days

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by myself in the wilderness with this dog. So I

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was very very like disconnected from the danger, like I

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had partitioned the danger away from me in my mind

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because I had to go finish my field work. And

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then I went on years of living in the wilderness

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by myself. So it was like the reality of that

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possibility of what that could have been. It just couldn't

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sink in. Does that make sense?

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Absolutely? God, well, feel free to it sounds like this

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this maybe connects to other things as well or yeah.

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So so this happened, and then I I went on

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to have a magic you know, just absolute magic with

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this dog. She was, you know, my good luck charm.

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I made my dinosaur discovery a few years or you know,

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I found basically, I finished my field work with this

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dog and we formed quite a connection, had more experiences

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with these beings cape on, the situation changed. So while

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at the time I thought I was being snatched, in hindsight,

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I think that it looked weird and it moved weird

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because it was old. And I thought, oh, well, that

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makes sense because an old sasquatch is gonna have, you know, movement,

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It's gonna move like a little rickety, a little stooped,

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and and that that made a little more sense. And

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then I thought maybe it was there to see this

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moment with me and this dog, because I'll get to

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the next story here. Because this dog really had had

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a thing with Sasquatch, and she's passed since and I

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miss her. But a lot of weird, weird stuff happened

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around this dog. So I think now in hindsight, that

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this being wasn't there to snatch me, but was there

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to maybe witness. And also I had a lot of

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fear at that time about being, you know, having been

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by myself and had to like feel defensive and protective.

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And this dog came from where that Sasquatch lived. So

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it's also possible that that Sasquatch had been aware of

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my dog, because my dog was turned loose with the

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with the sheep in that area and then brought to

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the shelter. So I thought, oh, I hadn't even kind

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of thought about this until years ago. Years later, it

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was like, oh, my gosh, maybe that maybe that sasquatch

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was you know, uh more familiar with my dog. I

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don't know. It sounds kind of weird, but but it

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was also a weird coincidence. So anyways, I finished school.

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I eventually moved out to the oil fields of Cholera,

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and I work on pipelines and I hike pipelines. I

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do vegetation surveys and essentially environmental science kind of things

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for the oil companies and the gas companies out there.

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And I did have some bizarro experiences, but mostly of like,

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you know, I'm I'm taking a truck down a road

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and then I just feel like I'm gonna die if

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I don't just stop and turn around. I did have

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this one experience where I went out to help close

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out a plug and abandoned site that had been restored,

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and I went out there to take like the final photos.

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So this was outside of Rangely. It was you know,

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if you're from Rangely.

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You're very familiar with the big rich that goes all

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the way from like kind of the Meeker area, follows

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the White River and then heads over to Douglas Pass.

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And so I was working, uh in like up on

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that ridge that connects up with Douglas Pass, and but

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like way way back in and I was walking out

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and I felt like something was hunting me. And the

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natural thought was Mount Mine and I had seen mountainline

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tracks up there, had seen wolf track, so I just

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you know, took off my backpack, puffed up my backpack,

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put my backpack back on, got out my rock hammer

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was like if this thing, you know, this thing comes

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at I was ready hike out and looking over my

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shoulder like so many times, stopped and like did the

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spin around and nothing was there. And uh, like maybe

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three weeks later, the guy that's in charge of you know,

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did I report to the oil company he said, He's like,

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I noticed you submitted a report for this site. He's like,

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I thought I told you not to go up to

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that site. And I was like, oh no, it was

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on and it was on the list to do. And

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he's like huh. He goes, did you uh did you

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have any see anything up there? The the pumpers say

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they they see some weird stuff up there, and I

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was like, well, you know, funny you mentioned it, and

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I told him the story I just told you, and

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then he and my field boss like kind of go white,

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and they have this like moment of looking at each other,

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and then the oil company guy goes, We're I'm not

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going to have you go up there anymore. Nobody's going

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up there anymore. I was like, well, I'm sure it

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was just the mountain, I you know, just a mountain,

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and he's like, nope, not going up there. And nobody's

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going up there anymore. And I did find out from

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another story, uh, you know, later down the road that

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there had been sightings down at my field boss's ranch,

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which was not far from that spot, but that whole

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field area burned to the ground sometime ago. But anyways,

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that was kind of the only notable thing that had

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happened while I was out in Colorado that like really

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stands out as being weird. So I finally moved to

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New York and built a life here. I moved here

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to get into genetics. Genetics was one of my first

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passions in biology and genetics microbiology, and so got a

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wonderful job here, still have this dog. And then as

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as you know, the pandemic hits, and I was at

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like ground zero for figuring out how to deal with

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the pandemic. I had to conduct myself, you know, accordingly.

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So it was you know, very isolating. But at the

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same time, my my mom was having some health issues

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that were very serious, and I was very stressed out

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with my work situation. Then you had like the financial

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implications everybody's hours getting reduced, and then you have the

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world going quiet, and I thought, well, this is a

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good time to start meditating. And I need to back

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up a little bit before this about a few just

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a maybe two month or two before the pandemic. Well

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what I say, before the pandemic hit. The pandemic quote

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hit for me at a different time than it did

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for the rest of the United States because my work

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dealt with people in China. We were partnered in China,

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so when China was going through the pandemic, it was

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very much a part of our lives at my work,

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you know, here in New York. And so for me,

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we're talking like late fall or winter. So I started

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going to this meditation group to help manage stress. This

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was right, you know, before the pandemic quote really hit

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Jenny and I, Yeah.

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Can we clarify someone in the future isn't going to

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get this, which is kind of cool to think someone

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in the future won't get this. But so for most

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of the world, it was March twenty twenty is how

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I view it. But when you're saying that for your world,

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it was fall of twenty nineteen, correct.

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Yeah it was. And I could be like a little

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fuzzy on that, but I remember I was at the time,

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I was guiding at house caverns and that was I

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want to say, it was like January that I was like, hey,

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how come we're not wearing masks and everyone's looking at

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me like I'm Crazykay, So yeah, and we already had

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our food storage and our surgical masks stored up in January. Yeah,

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because I know, so I knew what was coming, and

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we were preparing for it at work because we we

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you know, we were partnered in China and uh, our

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mice were going all over the world and just like sidebar,

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I worked with the mice that were saved basically Trump's

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but that God got him him, got in those Monoclota

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antibodies right away. So really, yeah, it's it's I mean

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when I say, like I'm really into genetics, like I, well,

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I am, like I love it, and and so I

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of course, like from a mental point of view, I

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was loving that aspect of pandemic, like I got to

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you know, scratch every itch in the like bioengineering world

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of things. But at the same time, it was extremely stressful.

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So so I so there's the pandemic, right, and there's

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the lead up to it, but then work started being

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stressful right prior to this, and so this is this

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is what. It led me to seek out a group

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of people that were like minded and into just meditation

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and relaxation. And I've always had an interest in hypnosis.

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The lady that ran the group was a hypnotist, and

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so I kind of fell into this community of people

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that were just really into like mental wellness and and uh, anyway,

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I thought it was a meditation group. It was basically

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a group for psychics, like for people to like hone

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their abilities, learn about or even just experience and be

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a guinea pig. So I walked into this group like, oh,

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I'll be you know, I'll be your guinea pig. I'm

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here for the meditation, stay for the like occasional like

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hey you're dead, you know, so and so is here

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visiting you. So you can kind of get that I

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was in this like mental mindset of meditating and hearing

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a lot of weird stuff.

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Right big, so society will be right back after these messages.

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I like hearing weird stuff from other people. And this

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was just like a meeting a week here, a week there.

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And then of course as the pandemic started rolling up, Uh,

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you started here in the the people who are quote

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unquote psychic start talking about this these big changes coming.

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So anyways, it's I think it's important to set the

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stage because as a scientist I try I'm trying to

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look at this from a from a like look at

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all the facts, right, And part of the dynamic of this,

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of these experiences I have, was this mental shift at

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this at this time. And so anyways, where I'm going

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with this is that it was I want to say

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00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.640
it was like November. Uh, it was like October or November.

456
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.279
The tree the leaves were down, and I lived. I

457
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.160
don't mind sharing exactly where this is because it's kind

458
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.720
of mind blowing if you want to google it. I

459
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:53.160
was at the time, I was living on Route twenty

460
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:58.039
in East Greenbush, New York, which is the city like

461
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.119
it's not you know, it's suburbs, but you know, I

462
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.400
can see the Albany Skyline, you know, right down the street.

463
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.839
And I lived in an old house from the eighteen hundreds.

464
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.559
You know, a lot of the houses in that area

465
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.279
where older houses along the old rail line. And there's

466
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:18.920
this apartment complex called green Bush Station, and it's known

467
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:23.000
for being a little bit trashy, like the pumpsters are

468
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.000
always overflowing, but other than that though it's it's a

469
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.200
very respectable place to live and an otherwise like a

470
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.759
semi unaffordable area. The point is is this is there's trees,

471
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.680
there's bike trails, there's woods, there's but it's also there's

472
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.599
traffic and there's stores and there's commerce. So I worked,

473
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.640
I had to be a report of work very early.

474
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.839
So I was out walking this dog that I was

475
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.279
telling you before, Kiva. I was out walking her at

476
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:58.920
eleven o'clock at night and we were, uh, you know,

477
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.960
two is down from my house, and we were in

478
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.039
front of green Bush Station. They had this big lawn

479
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:11.559
and my dog starts fixating on something that's walking down

480
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.240
like the lawn, a green Busch station. There's a there's

481
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:18.720
like this little strip of trees walked under the lamp

482
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.720
light the street light, and and so she's fixed at it.

483
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.079
But she has got the weirdest look on her face.

484
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.319
I'd never seen this look on the dog's face before.

485
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.720
She was trying to figure out what she was looking at.

486
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:36.000
She was like chuffing, she was going like like that

487
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:42.880
and staring, but her hackles weren't up. She wasn't alerting

488
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.200
to something dangerous. It was like, there's something there. I

489
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.400
don't know what it is. And so because she was

490
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.799
fixating on it, I began to fixate on it. And

491
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.440
there was something there. There was an outline. It was big,

492
00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:03.680
it was huge. It was a distortion of the air,

493
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.159
the best way to put it. And it crossed the street.

494
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.079
And when it crossed the street, this was it two

495
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.840
four lanes at this point, and it across the street

496
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.280
to a row of the rows of houses. Right, so

497
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.679
there's these like old woods it craftsmen houses that line

498
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.239
the street, and there's big trees, like oak trees, and

499
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.119
you know, these very old trees. And so I remember

500
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.960
thinking it's going to like whatever that is is going

501
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.840
to hide behind the tree. And so the thing was

502
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.800
is as soon as it got across the street, there

503
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.519
was another like the light from the street lamp was

504
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:56.360
now not coming down on it, but coming at it

505
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.719
from its side, and immediately a shadow showed up against

506
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.679
the white house that it was standing in front of.

507
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:10.960
Now it was walking like it like thinking that's the

508
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:16.039
weirdest thing. It was walking with a posture that suggested

509
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.920
that it believed I could not see it, like like

510
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.519
walking across the street. And then and and I and

511
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.159
I saw that. So then I saw that shadow against

512
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:36.639
the house, and it's walking down like walking I wouldn't

513
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.079
say on the sidewalk, but like toward that tree that's

514
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:46.079
that's on the sidewalk area or yeah, in front of

515
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.639
the house. And then there was this moment when its

516
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.679
shadow was cast against the house very clearly. I must

517
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.760
have drawn in a breath or something something about my

518
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.719
body language change. Its head went up to the eaves

519
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:08.000
of the house. It realized that I could see it,

520
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.480
And this is the goofiest thing. It made this like uh,

521
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.840
oh shoot posture, like it's stiffened and it's like this,

522
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.599
oh shoot. Like the best description I have is like

523
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:26.119
when I was, like when I was about eight years old,

524
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.440
my grandfather was changing in my parents' room, and I

525
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.880
came up the stairs real fast, and he like scooted

526
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.239
behind the door real fast. You know, he had that

527
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.039
saying like oh shoot, I don't want her to see

528
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.719
me kind of look this sasquatch had the same kind

529
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.280
of like oh shoot. And because his shoulders kind of

530
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.639
came up and stiffened, and and he like scuttled behind

531
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.679
this tree. But he was so big and and the

532
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.480
shadow was cast against the house was so obvious that

533
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:06.679
he then like scuffle, scurried across the front of the house.

534
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.320
And I could see the shadow, and I could see

535
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.400
that there was like an outline, like there was light

536
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.800
that could not pass through something, and I could see

537
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:29.360
the detail was spectacular. And he then turned left and

538
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.840
went in between two houses where there were some bushes,

539
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.400
and I and the moment, I mean, also, my dog's

540
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:44.079
following this, right, my dog's head is following mine. And

541
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:48.599
I thought, in that split second, I thought I just

542
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.199
saw was that a demon? Like did I just see

543
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.199
a demon? That was clearly a shadow shadow being? But

544
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.280
that was not would I imagine a shadow being to be.

545
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.039
But it was such a distinct shadow, and there was

546
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.760
definitely something solid there. And I ran home, like you know,

547
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.920
I probably jogged, and I got home and I immediately

548
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:17.599
said prayers that whatever that was does not cannot come

549
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.840
come to my home. I'm my house is just the

550
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.159
next house over, like two houses over.

551
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:29.760
So I also thought, like, okay, I've been going to

552
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:34.519
this group and talking with these people that see things.

553
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.920
And I thought, uh uh am I going crazy? No,

554
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.159
the dog saw it was that a spirit? No, it

555
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.599
was solid. It was solid like it was solid like

556
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.639
when a car drives by the light cannot pass through

557
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.920
the car and you can still get a gist of

558
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.599
what kind of car it is, like it was so

559
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.960
clear and I can get I'll give you details in

560
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:07.719
a minute. And anyway, so that happened, and I, you know,

561
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.000
I prayed, and I also just didn't know didn't know

562
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:18.559
what it was. So anyway, I hadn't been oh yeah,

563
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.400
and I didn't listen to about bigfoot podcasts or anything

564
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:26.920
like that. So this was this really bizarre. I was

565
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.440
not like, I was not wow right, yeah. So about

566
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.760
I will say about a week before I did forget

567
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.000
about this. About a week before, I had been in

568
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.039
my meditation group and I had we had to do

569
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.400
this like box image, this box visualization, and when the

570
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:54.079
box opened, the head of a face of a sasquatch

571
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.320
was right in front of mine, and I just thought,

572
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.480
oh my gosh, that's you know, I thought, oh, I

573
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.280
must be like going for hike soon, like if that

574
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.039
makes sense. So like, and I told that other group

575
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.800
members like, oh well, I just saw a sasquatch space

576
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.440
and I thought that that was just not weird. I

577
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.320
didn't think that was weird. I thought it was kind

578
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.840
of like cookie and funny, like oh funny, Harry harn

579
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.719
Henderson's I love Oregon. Maybe I'm taking a trip to

580
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.760
Oregon sooner. I don't know. I hadn't thought too close,

581
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.679
too deeply about it and when so when this happened,

582
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.559
I wasn't thinking sasquatch. My first thought was like something

583
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.880
from the spirit realm. And then I got home and

584
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:39.159
I and I really thought about it, and I was like,

585
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.840
wait a minute, that was solid. I had never heard

586
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.400
the podcast that talk about the predator. Okay, so we're

587
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.519
gonna take us a little bit of a trip down

588
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:55.519
the room here eventually, because I did seek out answers

589
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:01.440
from all all different kinds of places. So so anyways,

590
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.719
my first thought was something from the spirit realm, say

591
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.079
a prayer. Maybe I need to lay off the meditations,

592
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:14.960
like maybe this is gotten you know, too weird? Right. Also,

593
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.760
I was at this point doing whim Hoff breathing whim

594
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.079
Hoff breath work, and I was trying to manage my

595
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.679
own stress, and so I thought, oh, my gosh, like meditation,

596
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.760
because I know meditations can cause like certain neurotransmitters to

597
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.920
be released in the brain. So I thought, you know,

598
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.000
I went down this road right like, is it me?

599
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.639
Is it? The meditation? Is that the neurotransmitters all right?

600
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:48.159
So that that so that thing happened. It was about

601
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.400
two nights later. I'm in my apartment and my apartment

602
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.000
is on the second floor, but behind my apartment the

603
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.800
ground is is like a hillside right, it comes up

604
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.679
closer to one of my back windows, and I had

605
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:09.000
my windows open, and I'm sitting on the bed. I

606
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.800
don't think I was meditating, but I was like relaxing

607
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.280
before bed, and my dog was in the room with me,

608
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:23.719
and she starts growling at the window opposite me, and

609
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.159
then her nose and her growling follows the wall as

610
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.960
if there was It was the craziest thing. It's like

611
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.559
she could see or smell something through the wall, and

612
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.880
she followed the wall and then made the corner came

613
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.000
toward that. Now she's following the wall and she's walking

614
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.559
toward me, toward that open window with her nose to

615
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.119
the wall, growling, And I hear what sounds like a

616
00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:01.280
very large man walking along the house and stopping right

617
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.320
under my bedroom window. And I hear the leaves crunch,

618
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.800
there's these like little sticks. There's a little bit of

619
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:13.400
like glass and garbage there. So my first thought was

620
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:20.800
bear right, like, there must be a bear. I look out,

621
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.079
but I have a flashlight. I shine it out my window.

622
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.400
But I'm also a little bit scared to like stick

623
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.920
my head out the window and look around at all angles.

624
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.199
So I just feure, well, I don't see a bear.

625
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.960
I don't hear a bear. I don't smell a bear.

626
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.000
I grew up around yard bears in Connecticut, and I

627
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.719
and there was no more stompy sound. So I settled

628
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:48.440
back on my bed, and then I hear the shift

629
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.280
of weight, like from one foot to another under the window.

630
00:43:53.199 --> 00:44:00.440
And now I'm like, what the heck Like that is big,

631
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.960
it's bipedal. It's under my bedroom window, and I can't

632
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.440
I don't see anything. But I again, I'm too scared

633
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:14.559
to like, you know, I don't know be within grabbing

634
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.960
this stance. So so I think I closed the window

635
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.199
at that point and was creeped out. But I was like,

636
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.320
all right, well, you know, lightning lightning strikes once I

637
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:33.480
hadn't quite connected it to the weird thing I saw

638
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.440
seen the other day or the other day, a couple

639
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.360
of days before this. So then another few days go

640
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.760
by and the same thing happens again right to my

641
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:48.079
bedroom window. This time I had had some time to

642
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.440
mentally prepare, and I had my big bag light and

643
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.159
I shined the light all around the outside and I

644
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.719
didn't see anything. I didn't see anything. And yet when

645
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.800
I turn the light off, you know, went back and

646
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.280
you know, put my head back in the in the room,

647
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.880
they had these screens that slid up and down like

648
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.519
really old school. I heard the footsteps walk away. It's like,

649
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:22.039
what the heck? Okay, so that was weird.

650
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.280
Big for society. Will be right back after these messages.

651
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:46.599
And now I did start listening to podcasts. It was

652
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.719
about a month later. At this point I should probably

653
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:55.360
describe to you what I saw on the house absolutely okay,

654
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.880
So what I saw its head went to the bottom

655
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.679
of the roof eaves and at the time, and this

656
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.320
is what I'm realizing, this is what this is the

657
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.599
magic of these beings. And also our brains, our brains

658
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.039
cannot fully wrap our head around their side, like it's

659
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:20.880
the perspective and the distortion. They seem to understand this.

660
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.559
I knew it was big. I did not understand it

661
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.719
was ten like how giant big, like maybe ten feet tall.

662
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.800
It was until about six months later I saw somebody

663
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.000
walking on that same sidewalk at that same time of night.

664
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.199
It was just like some guy walking home, and he

665
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:48.000
was so small. His shadow was so small compared to

666
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:52.199
what I saw, like not even not even close. And

667
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.000
I was like, oh my god, what I saw was enormous.

668
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:00.079
It's the hands went below the knees. It was so

669
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.559
so muscular, I could make out the definition in like

670
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:11.719
that that lump of calf muscle in the shadow. It's

671
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:16.559
were really narrow, like the like the joints were so

672
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.000
much smaller than the than the bulk of the muscle.

673
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:26.280
His thighs were so thick and strong type tape, the

674
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:33.360
small waist. The shoulders were big and broad. But the

675
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.159
arms are what freaked me out. It was the arms

676
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.239
in the hands that jumped in my head and was

677
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:43.360
like demon because the fingers were so long and they

678
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:51.559
were not not draggy but like not limp, but like

679
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.519
hanging toward the ground. And when he ran, his elbows

680
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.760
are not ran but like scuttled. His elbows were bent,

681
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.880
but his wrists were like his elbows were slightly bent,

682
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:11.280
but his wrists were distinctively like hanging and you know

683
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.920
how they say like hands like Catcher's mits. The hands

684
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:21.400
were so big. The he was leaning forward. His head

685
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.239
was hard to tell the shape with the shadow, but

686
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:31.440
rounded and like like you hear no neck like it

687
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.400
didn't there was not like any discernible neck in the shadow.

688
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.320
And but you could see in the body language is

689
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.800
like stiffened and then like hustled and did like he

690
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.920
did like a little like oh like a little like

691
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.159
a little jump, like a little what do you call it,

692
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.679
you know, when you kind of stiffen up jump and

693
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.840
uh startle. That's the word I'm looking for, Like did

694
00:48:53.840 --> 00:49:02.599
a little jumpy startle. It was so big and okay,

695
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.159
so obviously now there's been a few things in this timeframe.

696
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:16.039
Now the world is deeper into the situation, right, and

697
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.000
I am there's no more meditation group. The meditation group

698
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.119
was shut down, like oh gosh, I mean I think

699
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.880
it was me that told them, uh, like, hey guys,

700
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.679
this is this is serious, Like you know, because the

701
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.400
group I was in you have your like anti podos,

702
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.559
like no, no, guy is like seriously like this is

703
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.679
this is really a thing, this thing in China, it's

704
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:48.639
coming here. And so now the world's gone quiet, and

705
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.679
I've decided that I want to buy a home or property.

706
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.239
And I find this amazing property that I'm in love

707
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.840
with just down the road. I'm going to describe it

708
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.679
to people because they want to google it. It's on

709
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.639
Maple Avenue. It's in Kodak and it's there's a big

710
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:12.840
hunting preserve and there's this old old power line route

711
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.719
that was going from Maple Avenue to and Lane and

712
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.280
now it's a big hunting area. And I wanted to

713
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:24.000
buy that parcel, that four acre parcel, And so I

714
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:28.639
went out there and I was taking pictures and I

715
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.840
so my dog is in the car parked out on

716
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.840
Maple Lane, and I'm with my phone in hand taking

717
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.480
photos of the vegetation and the springs on this parcel

718
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:43.320
of land. And again we're talking mindset. My mind was

719
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:48.480
so full of love for this property and the possibilities

720
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.360
and the plants there, and the old tree forts that

721
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:56.000
the kids, the prior owners kids had there. I was

722
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.039
just in this state of just bliz. I was blissed out,

723
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.639
you know. I was in my helmet looking at the plants,

724
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:08.119
and I look up and leaning out from behind a

725
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.079
tree was the best description would be Harry Harry and

726
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.440
the Henderson's. Harry from Harry and the Henderson's read like

727
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.000
a a like orangutang but maybe a little darker. And

728
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:26.360
he leaned out from behind a tree and like made

729
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:30.199
sure I saw him, and then kind of like leaned

730
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:36.000
back behind the tree. And what went through my head

731
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:42.000
and that moment was you are magnificent. It was such

732
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:48.119
awe and joy and I laughed. I laughed of just

733
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:54.760
absolute joy. I don't know if it was relief that

734
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.480
like that thing that I had seen wasn't a demon

735
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:03.719
that the foots outside my window or a stalker. It

736
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.519
was just like the relief and the joy and the

737
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.320
like they're they're real. There's one right there in front

738
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.519
of me.

739
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:20.840
And it was about, I'm gonna say, about forty feet away,

740
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:26.480
and I was holding a phone on camera in my hand,

741
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.639
and it never crossed my mind to take a photo,

742
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.800
Like didn't even cross my mind. I did go back

743
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.599
into the photos that I'd taken to the property, like

744
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.159
hoping there was like a little peak behind a tree

745
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.639
or something, and I didn't see anything. So that was

746
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.840
that experience opened opened the floodgates.

747
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.440
So so to this day when I like, I've gone

748
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.039
to zoos obviously since and I seen a rangu pang,

749
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:01.719
I had just set this visceral reaction like like they

750
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:05.239
are they It was so much like an orangutang. And

751
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:10.000
the color and the hair texture, the length of the arms,

752
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.559
the that kind of flat expression where you like can't

753
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:22.840
really tell they're thinking, the the kind of fleshy, fleshy eyebrow.

754
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:31.559
But this was like the conical head. It was well,

755
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.440
and I will tell you I cannot say it was

756
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.320
the one that was seen under the street light, but

757
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.679
that just seems like a logical conclusion. And I'm going

758
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:48.920
to jump ahead now and there's there's many more stories,

759
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.679
but to kind of stick with this individual. Obviously, when

760
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:59.400
I saw it in the flesh like that, uh, it

761
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:05.400
was you know, paradigm changing. Like I'm I'm a scientist,

762
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.920
I'm a biologist of field, biologist of geneticist. Now I'm like,

763
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:15.400
where'd those genes come from? Which family lineage? What is it?

764
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.159
Why is it here? It's here? Why is it discovered?

765
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.400
So then I started going down the rabbit hole of

766
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.519
with the podcast and such. So anyway, so jumping forward,

767
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:31.239
you obviously or I would obviously think like I can't.

768
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.199
That was just unbelievable, Like did that really happen? How

769
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:40.159
could that happen? Now? I had other experiences in the

770
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:44.000
years to come, but over that time, every now and

771
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.599
then I would get a little blip of mind speak,

772
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.079
which I believe is from this being, and it did

773
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:55.960
not feel directed at me. It felt directed at my dog.

774
00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:00.119
And so so here's a good example of this of

775
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.960
an interaction with my dog. Another time. This was after

776
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.360
I saw one saw this being. It was maybe another

777
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.679
a week or so later. I sorry, I realize I'm

778
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.239
jumping around. It's like all the memories just come like

779
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.199
hushing forward. I'm walking my dog along Route twenty right

780
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:20.440
at a green Bush station. It's about five in the morning.

781
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.239
Now at this point I want to say, it's whatever.

782
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.960
It is like a beautiful morning, and I was walking

783
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.599
with my eyes closed because I could do that with

784
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.679
this German shepherd I had. And I was just kind

785
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.679
of meandering on the sidewalk and enjoying the breeze and

786
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.719
the amazing day. And I opened my eyes for a

787
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.280
moment because I know I'm approaching Green Bush Station, the

788
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.679
little plash across and I look down and I see,

789
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.400
I can't a crushed mountain dew can. It's crushed. It's

790
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:59.639
sitting on the sidewalk and it's sitting on the sidewalk

791
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:03.800
at the edge of the driveway into Green Bush Station.

792
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.320
And I thought, oh, I need to pick that up

793
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.000
on my way back. And my dog all of this,

794
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.960
and then I closed my eyes again, and my dog

795
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.360
kind of pulls on the leash a little bit. I

796
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.360
could feel her pull on the leash, and that can

797
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:25.199
sounds like it gets kicked, punted, kicked, like by a

798
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:30.880
kid kicking it, and it gets kicked, scoots along the

799
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:38.079
pavement a pill a pill toward Green Bus Station, right

800
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.639
past me and my dog, and I just like, what,

801
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.400
what the heck just happened? And I and so I

802
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.280
opened my eyes and I'm not thinking like something paranormal happened.

803
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.039
I'm thinking somebody just snuck up. A person just saw

804
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.119
me with my eyes closed at five in the morning

805
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.320
on a city street and snuck up behind me and

806
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.760
and my dog pulling might have been her like lunging

807
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.519
at them. But when I opened my eyes. Now the

808
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.280
can is up the little hill drive and my dog

809
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.519
is got her tongue out happy, like huh, let's play.

810
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:22.920
It's something that I cannot see, that's like between the

811
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.000
dog and the mountain dew can and gosh. It was

812
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.880
probably like another like two weeks later when I really

813
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:33.639
started just being like, well, let's just see how far

814
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.440
this paranormal situation is going to go. I got an

815
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:41.079
extended leash and I would go out to Greenbush Station

816
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:44.320
on that green lawn at like ten or eleven o'clock

817
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.599
at night when I was letting her out, and she

818
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.079
would play with something that I couldn't see, like play

819
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.199
like I don't know if you've ever seen a person

820
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.440
hold a stick and like the dog like like kind

821
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:57.679
of jumps up to grab the stick and lands and

822
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.519
jumps up and grabs the stick to land and bow like.

823
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.880
She would playbow at something in front of her at

824
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:08.119
the end of the leash, and I would just feel like, okay,

825
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:11.840
like this is this is happening right now, but it's

826
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:16.039
not menacing, and uh, you know, I don't know. I

827
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:19.880
just went with it. So so then it was like

828
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:24.480
another period of time. I'm so like clearly something's interacting

829
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.239
with my dog. And so there's another period of time

830
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.480
I'm driving on the main highway, I think it's ninety

831
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:37.039
and I'm heading up to Miller Road and I feel this.

832
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.119
This was like one of the one of the early

833
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:48.159
times of mine speak is I felt this crushing sadness. Crushing.

834
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:54.280
It was, uh like when somebody dies, when you feel

835
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.280
like like the absence of something, and I just started crying.

836
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:00.920
I was like, oh, I came out of blue. And

837
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.079
then I heard in my head, I'm going to miss you.

838
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:13.159
And my dog died. I saw this being one more time,

839
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.320
and my dog died about a week after that, and

840
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.119
so it was kind of I didn't feel like that

841
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.440
was meant for me. I felt like I kind of

842
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:29.440
like intercepted an interaction, if that makes any sense anyway.

843
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:34.719
So I'll share the last time I saw this being.

844
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.840
It was an unusual situation. But first I need to

845
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.679
get to the WU part because I think that this

846
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.360
will be a clue for us as a community to

847
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.679
help get some answers. When I say I was at

848
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:51.519
the end of my rope, I mean obviously between COVID

849
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:56.119
and work, stress and meditation and shut down and not

850
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.239
being able to see my parents because of their health

851
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:05.719
issues and my sequestration for work. I was like, I

852
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.559
need to check on my own mental health and just

853
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:14.280
to make sure I'm not imagining this situation. And one

854
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:18.800
of the people in that meditation group that I that

855
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:22.840
I met was this man named David Lewis, and he's

856
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.320
a he's I say was because he passed Oh gosh,

857
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.480
I think it's been about two years, two years now,

858
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:32.000
but he used to go to this group and he

859
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.920
used to do uh. He was an animal communicator and

860
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:43.880
that sounds crazy, right, But when he met me, he

861
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.960
described a different German shepherd I had had like to

862
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:53.119
a tea and and then I showed him a picture

863
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:57.960
of my Kiva and he described her personality and her

864
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.159
works and her weirdness and the use of situations she

865
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.039
had before me.

866
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.119
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

867
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.519
Describe that to a te So when she got sick,

868
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.920
she was wait, I'd back up, was she sick at

869
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:35.519
this time? She wasn't sick at this time when when

870
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:41.000
I had started having these experiences and really wanted to

871
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.760
understand them better because there were some other things that

872
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.880
happened was well outside of my neighborhood. I called David

873
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.559
Lewis and I said, I am not looking for any

874
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.679
kind of like reading for me. I want you to

875
01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.599
tell me what my dog saw that night as I

876
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:07.239
was walking uh at night. And here's here's what he described. Dude.

877
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.880
He goes, oh my god, that's a sess watch. I

878
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.679
was like, you know, can you describe it? He described

879
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.760
it and I told you about the body shape and

880
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.000
the size, and he said and I asked him, I said,

881
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.719
have you ever seen any of any of this through

882
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:31.199
an animal before? And he goes, no, this is a

883
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:36.519
first for me. This is this is something new. And

884
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.280
I was like, well, I don't understand, like you know,

885
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:44.119
I need more detail. So what he said is that

886
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:48.599
it looked see through but not see through, almost misty.

887
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:55.199
That it was solid, but yet it my dog could

888
01:02:56.199 --> 01:03:00.519
almost like see through it. So there was something about

889
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.079
it that was picking picking up from the environment around

890
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:10.760
it that it was not aware. It truly was like

891
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:16.039
walking across the street as if neither me nor the

892
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.880
dog could really see it. And then when the dog

893
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.400
round it kind of got its attention or like huffed

894
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.719
and looked at it. It kind of got his attention.

895
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:28.519
He's it still was walking across the street as if

896
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:32.719
I couldn't see it, and then then it could tell

897
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.000
that I could see it, and then it ran behind

898
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:41.760
the house. But it was this like solid but not

899
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:46.159
solid nature is really kind of what was blowing my

900
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:53.239
mind there. So again I apologize for jumping around. I'm

901
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.239
gonna so so that gave me some clues. I was like,

902
01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.199
because I was like, well, what am I dealing with?

903
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.360
An earth bound being, a spirit, a spirit of a caveman,

904
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.159
a sasquatch, like, what are we dealing with here? And

905
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.039
David's take was that it was something that was earthbound

906
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:21.440
and could be a spirit at this point or transitioning,

907
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:27.079
like something that maybe lives way longer than we can

908
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:32.559
wrap our heads around. And we talked a little bit

909
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.920
about it, but ultimately he's like, I don't know, Like

910
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:37.760
I don't know. I can just tell you what the

911
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:42.639
what I see through the dog's eyes. And then also

912
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.719
he confirmed that yes, it was playing with my dog

913
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:54.679
and it was friends with my dog and fast so

914
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.079
here's where I fast forward. So we're gonna that was

915
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:02.440
like twenty nineteen twenty twe at twenty, I bought a

916
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:07.639
piece of property on the west side of the Hudson River.

917
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:13.840
It's the property I'm sitting on right now. And immediately,

918
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:19.119
like day one, I got hit by with a walnut

919
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.559
skimming across my head. And I'll tell you about that

920
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.119
in a minute, if there's time. But I'm on a

921
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.639
property where I have and or I just had another

922
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:32.079
interaction with them a couple of days ago. I hear them,

923
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.760
I've heard a female. We they're my forte They're my neighbors.

924
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:39.440
That's kind of how I get through. That's how I

925
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:40.960
walk out my door in the middle of the night

926
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.400
as I just like, they're my neighbors. They live on

927
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.199
their land. I live on my land. But the point

928
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.559
is is immediately the interaction started happening with my dog.

929
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.360
And again it was like the line with the dog.

930
01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:01.360
So I when I started clearing the land here and

931
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.599
things were happening with the tree pushes, and the tree

932
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.840
pushes were getting really scary and I didn't know what

933
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:11.559
that intent was, and my dog was trying to protect

934
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:16.599
me from something and the bushes. I called David Lewis again,

935
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:22.519
and this was I think this was the last time

936
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:26.159
I spoke with him and then he died. I can't

937
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:28.880
remember how many months later, but not you know, he

938
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:35.639
died like shortly thereafter. But he said that he could

939
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:40.920
see that that yes, they were sasquatches. Again, he was amazed.

940
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.960
He's like, I you know, this isn't then not something

941
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.840
I usually see. Because I asked him, I was like, well,

942
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:47.679
now that you know that this is a thing, had

943
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.679
you seen them with other animals? And he said, just

944
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:55.800
with just with my pets and like my cat and

945
01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:58.199
my or my cat at my parents' house stuff like that.

946
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:04.519
So anyways, so here's what he said. He uh, the

947
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:10.679
dog sees my dog. Kiva said that they move like cats,

948
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.760
that they're very what's the word, he said, very shy.

949
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.239
He said, they're very shy. They move very fast, they

950
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.480
move like cats. They don't like it when I build

951
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.159
a fire, because at that time I was building a

952
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:27.000
fire and burning brushes. They don't like it. That makes

953
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.400
them very nervous, and they come around and they get

954
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:34.960
very close and they're just making sure I don't start.

955
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.719
I don't start. I don't think you said forest fire,

956
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:42.760
but whatever whatever that discrete that was the gist. Don't

957
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:46.760
start a fire. But they're very curious that they like

958
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:52.639
that I'm here, and they like Kiva, but Kiva gets

959
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:57.440
nervous because they get very close to me. They get

960
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:01.480
very close to me, and I can't you know, I'm

961
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.480
not I'm not aware of them being that close to me. Uh.

962
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:09.880
And then I never got to talk with David after

963
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.360
when even more activity happened, because that was very early

964
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.560
on to the property. But my point of sharing this

965
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.359
is that I think animal communicators are a tool that

966
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:27.560
we can use. And I know that sounds really out there,

967
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.880
but I will I do think that there is a

968
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:36.319
scientific explanation for much of the paranormal reports that we

969
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.439
have about what sasquatch does. And so for this I'll

970
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:47.960
submit this anecdote is I carry some autistic traits and

971
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:53.199
most of you know, I managed manage them pretty well. Uh.

972
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:57.760
I'm blessed to be very good at science and and

973
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:02.439
what I do need to like manage my nervous system.

974
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.800
And I was that kid that I would sleep outside

975
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.840
even as a teenager because I'd get overwhelmed with stimulus.

976
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.920
So living out in the wilderness was my jam and

977
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.760
loved it. And so that's one of the reasons why

978
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:23.960
meditation works so good for me. I got damage in

979
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:30.119
my eyes and the shingles, and I started doing these

980
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:34.279
meditations to focus on healing my eyes because I would

981
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:38.520
get these terrible, terrible headaches. And during that time period

982
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:43.800
I was doing those meditations, I would sometimes wake up.

983
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.239
It didn't have all the time. I'd wake up in

984
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:48.520
the morning and sit up in bed with my eyes

985
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:53.119
still closed, and I would see the bird song as

986
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:59.479
squiggle lines. I would see sound, and it happens occasionally.

987
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.279
It just happen in me a couple of days ago.

988
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:07.399
It looks like, uh, the Daredevil, like that show Daredevil

989
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:12.079
where you see see like an image come out of

990
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:16.560
the darkness and that it fades away, and that I

991
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:21.760
experienced this. Sometimes there's also like a group of people,

992
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:24.960
like if I suddenly went blind, I could go to

993
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:28.359
a camp where there's actually people on this planet that

994
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:34.279
use like a sonar, like a like smack sticks together

995
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.920
and it clicks with their tongue. Their brain can interpret

996
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:42.960
sound as image, and this is something humans can do.

997
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:49.800
And I think, I just this is a thought. I

998
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:54.520
think that we should be as a community enlisting people

999
01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:01.439
with these abilities to help us better interpret owned data.

1000
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.920
And I think that this is what some of mine

1001
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.960
speak is. I think that we have some innate abilities

1002
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:12.840
as human beings that we just aren't in touch with.

1003
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.079
But these beings, because they live in this natural environment,

1004
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:21.920
are and and every now and then my brain kind

1005
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:28.720
of intersects, right, intersects with this this concept. I forget

1006
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:33.399
what kind of set me down this road, but I did.

1007
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:37.680
I did. I have had some experiences over the coming years,

1008
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:41.279
so which are accompany some of these sightings. I feel

1009
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.840
like I'm getting a little off track here, but the point.

1010
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:48.439
Is I don't I'm sorry. I just had a thought

1011
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.239
and I don't want to lose it. Yeah, do you

1012
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:57.840
think being around these creatures unlocks than a certain skill

1013
01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:59.760
or part of the brain.

1014
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.000
Oh, I'm glad you asked this question. When I have

1015
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:11.279
experiences with them that are like, well, I'll get like

1016
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:16.479
an image or a sound, I am usually in a

1017
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:22.800
very relaxed state. So honestly, I think it's about unplugging

1018
01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:27.880
and relaxing and being in a state that is just

1019
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:36.520
more conducive to allowing the messages to come. So did

1020
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:37.479
that answer your question?

1021
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:41.239
Are you so you're talking about a state like you're

1022
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:43.720
just about ready to go to sleep, or maybe you're

1023
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.920
driving down the road and it's a very like boring

1024
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:47.880
stretch of road.

1025
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, or like I'm

1026
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:55.760
walking just the wo Yeah. I would say it's like

1027
01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:01.199
my attention is on something more simple then worrying about

1028
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:06.239
my bills and the work stress or solving a work problem.

1029
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:11.279
It's just more the brain isn't just that more in

1030
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:14.159
a moment, Like you're just in the in the moment

1031
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:21.479
and not worried about what's happening, you know tomorrow at

1032
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.079
work and what am I gonna wear, what I'm gonna

1033
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:25.159
pack for LUNCHI And I'm going to solve that work problem,

1034
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:30.800
and yeah, are there's some about the brain state, although

1035
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.359
I have had experiences where I was kind of like

1036
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.520
going about my business. So again this is like really

1037
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:43.000
jumping ahead, but it's usually not in a state of

1038
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:50.800
like anger, frustration, stress, these happier episodes, I would say,

1039
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:56.000
in a more meditative, more meditative state. And so I

1040
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:01.720
just I think this is just hypothesis that being in

1041
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:10.560
those states allows our body to utilize biological mechanisms that

1042
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.439
we don't typically access. And some people, like people with

1043
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:22.279
aspects of autism, or neuroivergence, or even just you know,

1044
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:26.199
what might be called a gift is that they're just

1045
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:30.479
able to access access that more readily. They're neurons are

1046
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:36.159
more connect like, have established pathways to better interpret that

1047
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:43.680
environmental stimulus. And I think that this accounts for a

1048
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.760
lot of experiences. And like I said, I think this

1049
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:52.479
is something that the community can enlist. And as a scientist,

1050
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:59.199
I focus on the testability and repeatability of experiences. I

1051
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:05.279
think that is why, you know, I think that's why

1052
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.479
researchers do research. But as far as like the WU

1053
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:14.119
aspect and the high strangeness, if the high strangeness is repeatable,

1054
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:17.640
well we really got to take a look at that

1055
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.760
as a possible data point if it's repeatable. So like,

1056
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.920
here's repeatable repeatable. If I come out to my property

1057
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.199
and this is when I was clearing the land, and

1058
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:33.039
I'm like, uh, pat, every night I pack up my

1059
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.279
car and I haven't tossed the snickers up into the woods.

1060
01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.600
A tree falls at the edge of my property. Several

1061
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:46.319
experiences down the line, I started gifting and what I

1062
01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.920
gifted was little mini snickers, And so I would come

1063
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:54.880
out to my property and not wanting because I was

1064
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:57.399
getting tree pushes and scary things. So I thought, well,

1065
01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:00.840
maybe if I gave them treats, they would stop scaring me.

1066
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:05.520
So I would toss snickers up into this area, which

1067
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.319
was where I first got zinged with a walnut from.

1068
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.720
I thought, okay, well he stands up there, or it

1069
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:14.800
stands up there, so I know that he can access.

1070
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:19.880
So I toss up a stickers bar. Well, over time,

1071
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.880
I just forget to leave a snickers, you know what

1072
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:24.840
I mean. Like I get out to the property, I

1073
01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.840
start my fire, I get working, and then I start

1074
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:31.680
packing up the car to go home, and a tree.

1075
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.319
Falls big for society will be right back.

1076
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:55.239
After these messages, there's a tree push, and it's always

1077
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.279
like at the edge of my property boundary.

1078
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:05.800
And so then I started saying like, okay, you know,

1079
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:11.520
I promise I won't forget. And then sometimes I would

1080
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:15.560
forget and I would be like packing up the car

1081
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.119
and now I'm about to get in the car and

1082
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.119
turn the key, and there's a tree push, like, hey,

1083
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:23.199
you forgot your fit, you forgot the thing?

1084
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.439
How many times happened?

1085
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.520
So many happened, so many times. So I used to

1086
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:35.640
come out like every every weekday, like Friday night, Saturday night,

1087
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.359
and so it would be every time. So when I

1088
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.039
came out here, it happened the first time I came

1089
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:46.800
out to the property with the dog. So when the

1090
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:51.640
dog got my dog was dying, and I thought it

1091
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:54.159
was the end. And I didn't want her to die

1092
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:57.039
without setting fit at the property. But my clothing was

1093
01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:59.600
in a few days. So I brought her out here

1094
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:06.439
one Sunday night and I, you know, put on the leash,

1095
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:12.359
got out of the car and said like at this point,

1096
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.399
I've had experiences other places, but I hadn't had an

1097
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.399
experience at this place. And I said, hey, I and

1098
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:21.479
she yelled out to the forest. I was like, hey,

1099
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:25.119
I don't know if you're here, but I have this dog.

1100
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:29.159
She's very sick. She can see you. I can't, but

1101
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:33.800
she can see you. Please don't hurt her, like she's

1102
01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:37.479
very sick. I'm just I just have her here to

1103
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.800
see the property. Maybe we'll be back, maybe we won't,

1104
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:46.359
but you know, we're not here to cause any problems.

1105
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:49.600
But this is where my home is going to be,

1106
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:53.560
you know, but please please please don't hurt her. Finish

1107
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:58.279
those like the sentence is just done out of my lips,

1108
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:04.279
and about two hundred feet away, a big tree goes

1109
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:08.520
across the road so that I can't drive down the

1110
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:13.199
rest of the road. And I thought, oh, that was weird.

1111
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.439
But I had never experienced the tree push before, so

1112
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:20.840
it was just one thing. It was like, oh, that

1113
01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:23.039
was that was weird, like right at the end of

1114
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:28.000
that sentence. But then in like every time I came

1115
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.920
out after that, in fact, this one, Oh, I'll tell

1116
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:32.880
you this, this is great. This is a great story

1117
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:37.560
we had. So I bought the property and there's a

1118
01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.800
lot of dead there's a lot of dead trees here.

1119
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:44.159
The trees that were falling falling were not on the

1120
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:46.520
property where I was building the house and cutting the trees.

1121
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.039
They were around the edges of the property, as if

1122
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.720
something couldn't step foot on the property. But it was

1123
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:57.119
knocking trees over all all around the edge. And so

1124
01:19:57.279 --> 01:19:59.920
I came out here to cut trees and brought my chainsaw.

1125
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.800
And there's this big cotton a tree and there's this

1126
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.479
huge cold limbage. You know about conwoos. They shed the

1127
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.680
shed the logs or the branches, and I thought, oh, gosh,

1128
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:14.039
that branch is that branch has gotta be the first

1129
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.359
first thing that you know, comes down, uh, after we

1130
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:23.279
get the other tree, the other trees. And so I

1131
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:25.399
said that I was I said it out loud, like

1132
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:28.479
I was talking, you know, just talking to myself. And

1133
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:32.079
then I went to my car. I had to go,

1134
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.520
I think, grab a bucket of water from the Hudson.

1135
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:38.560
Come back. I literally took one step onto the property

1136
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:43.800
and it crashes to the ground. And I thought I

1137
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:50.359
must have this weird sixth sense about trees about to fall.

1138
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.119
But then this kept happening, like over and over. My

1139
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.319
dad and I were my dad and I were standing

1140
01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:58.720
there with our chainsaws, and there's this tree that was

1141
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.920
about six inches wide. It was like three feet away.

1142
01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:06.600
My dad says, oh, Jenny, do you want that tree down?

1143
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:10.039
And I was like, well, let's let's leave it there.

1144
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.439
I'll leave that's future firewood, Like that'll still be up

1145
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:18.079
there for a few years as future firewood. Turn my back,

1146
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:22.319
it falls, like falls right over. It was just like

1147
01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:26.920
weird stuff like that would happen. So another when I

1148
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:31.079
first got the property, I you know, pulled up and

1149
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:33.680
was like, oh my god, there's so many trees that

1150
01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:36.680
have to come down, and so I said out loud.

1151
01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:41.079
I said, okay, guys, like, if you want me to

1152
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.880
live here, I'm gonna need some help with these trees.

1153
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.000
You know, if you want me to live hereund I

1154
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.720
need some help with these trees. Hah like kind of

1155
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:54.880
chucky like hah. The next day I came out with

1156
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:58.119
my dad, was meeting my dad out there with the chainsaws.

1157
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:05.319
Every tree, every tree that was dead and dying where

1158
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:10.880
the house footprint was is was down. And it wasn't

1159
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.920
just they were on the ground. They had all fallen,

1160
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:20.079
in some cases against the natural gravity, crisscrossed in the

1161
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:23.800
exact perfect formation that my dad and I needed it

1162
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.680
to cut those trees down with the chainsaw safely, every

1163
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:29.560
one of them. And so when my dad pulled up

1164
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:32.800
on the property, he goes, oh my god. I hadn't

1165
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:37.840
told him the request to the forest people. He pulled up,

1166
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:43.960
he goes, Oh my gosh. They're all perfect. They've all fallen, perfect,

1167
01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:47.760
all of them. I said, dead. Those all fell this week.

1168
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:57.600
Okay, so that's wild. When it fell. When they fell,

1169
01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:00.720
did they make shapes on the ground.

1170
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:05.079
Did oh make Oh I don't know, you know this.

1171
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:09.840
Is so I get it right, Yeah, yeah, but they

1172
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:14.319
were crisscrossed like in the air, so when you cut

1173
01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:17.319
them with the chainsaw right so like you want to

1174
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.439
cut them standing.

1175
01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.720
That's that's what was so wild is nothing was laying

1176
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:25.800
on the ground. Everything was crisscrossed so that you could

1177
01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:29.079
come in with the chainsaw and zing them off and

1178
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:30.680
cut them in section safely.

1179
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:32.359
Okay, just like how.

1180
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:33.840
Dad and I would have done it if it was

1181
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.840
if it was us, so I have it. It was

1182
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:40.119
so crazy. I've never seen a tree structure, never seen

1183
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.000
one so weird.

1184
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:46.119
So where the trees like broken off at a certain

1185
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:49.000
height or like they were not cut they were broken off.

1186
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:51.279
It sounds like the whole.

1187
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:54.199
Tree was down, including the roof ball.

1188
01:23:55.159 --> 01:24:02.039
Oh really yeah, these are keys like uh yeah, big

1189
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:06.000
trees some of there were some that were broken, but

1190
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:07.119
they were smaller.

1191
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:13.279
They were they were smaller like my dad and I

1192
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.640
could have broken if we had to come along. We

1193
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.000
pulled it down hard enough.

1194
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:23.520
Sorry, were any broken off and upside down or like

1195
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:25.680
we're any nothing weird like that.

1196
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.760
No, it was more about what are the odds that

1197
01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:35.479
every tree we needed to come down? Yeah, came down

1198
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:40.000
in like three to four days with no storms. There

1199
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:44.479
were no storms, no wind. It was just like a

1200
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:49.960
normal August day like today. So I don't know.

1201
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:51.760
It was wow.

1202
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.399
I know. And since since we're on the topic of

1203
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:56.960
this property, I realized I kind of jumped away from

1204
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.960
the East Green Bush guy. But I'll check back up

1205
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.520
a bit. Is the day I came out so purchased

1206
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:08.479
the There was a day I came out with the

1207
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:15.199
dog that was sick, and then there was the closing,

1208
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.279
and then I came out a few days later with

1209
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:21.840
to do the very first work on the property, like

1210
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:26.279
clip snipping and clipping and taking video. So I go over,

1211
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:29.680
I just using the weed web. My dog is in

1212
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:36.960
the car and she she is staying. So I come

1213
01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:40.319
up to the car, which is along the roadside, and

1214
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.720
she's got her favorite window. She's in her non favorite window.

1215
01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:49.439
Her head is her body is out this window as

1216
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:52.279
far as it can go, and she is standing on

1217
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:57.520
an axe, a weed whip like bladed things like things

1218
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.560
a dog doesn't stand on. She's very intent sticking her

1219
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.600
head out this window and she's staring at the at

1220
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:08.600
the brushy sumaki. You know, young, You know when they

1221
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:11.399
trim trim the side of the road, you get like

1222
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:16.199
weedy species, brushy species coming up and there's power lines

1223
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:18.760
and she's staring and I walk around the back of

1224
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:22.920
the car. I'm like, huh, that's weird. What are you

1225
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:25.279
Why are you out that window? What are you staring at?

1226
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.039
Not thinking sasquatch, none of that, just like wonder what

1227
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:31.920
caught your eye? And she's staring at it. And I

1228
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.880
walked to the front of the car to wrap, to

1229
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:38.239
fold up a tarp, so random fold up a tarp,

1230
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:43.880
and I feel across the top of my head. Uh,

1231
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.039
Like it kind of felt like a golf ball, like

1232
01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:50.560
as if a golf ball skimmed off, skimmed across those

1233
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:53.000
little baby hairs sticking out the top of your head.

1234
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:57.760
So it didn't hurt me, but I could feel it

1235
01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:02.000
skim and it it's coming across my head, the top

1236
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:07.880
of the head. It hits a walnut tree in front

1237
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.119
of me. But in front of that walnut tree in

1238
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.840
front of me is a little it's just a tree

1239
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.479
of heaven. And they're like, you know, six inches, and

1240
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:18.239
so it hits the bigger tree, hits the smaller tree,

1241
01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:20.720
hits the bigger tree hits a smaller tree like a pinball,

1242
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:24.000
bing bing bing bing bing, and it rolls to my

1243
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:28.960
feet and I look down, thinking it's like a golf

1244
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:34.520
ball and some kid is side armed a golf ball

1245
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:39.000
at me from across the road, because that's the sound,

1246
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:42.640
the feeling, and it's a walnut. And I pick up

1247
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.600
the walnut and I sent a picture on one of

1248
01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:50.760
our one of our email exchanges. It's it's the most

1249
01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:55.640
beautiful walnut you've ever seen. It's it's not cut, it's

1250
01:27:55.680 --> 01:28:00.920
obviously chewed on two sides so that both sides they're symmetrical,

1251
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:05.560
so got a pattern to it. I've never seen anything

1252
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:09.640
like it. And I pick it up and I just

1253
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:13.239
start laughing. I'm and then I turn around because I

1254
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.760
thought somebody's throwing something at me, and I see Kiva

1255
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:22.319
staring at the woods, not growling, just doing that thing,

1256
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.159
and I'm like and I waved. I was like, oh,

1257
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.760
I guess, I guess you guys are here. And I

1258
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.720
tossed uh. I was like, well, what can I throw back?

1259
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:37.000
I found like a little peppermint I had like my

1260
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:40.000
tonic in my in my glove box and tossed it

1261
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:45.199
up into the woods. And it was something bizarre like

1262
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:49.680
that happened almost every time I've been out here. I

1263
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:55.520
came out here to clear the lamp. There were too

1264
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:58.319
the tree pushes, and the tree pushes were getting scary

1265
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:07.239
so late summer, I said, hey, guys, like you're scaring me.

1266
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.119
And and when I speak to them, I it sounds

1267
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:16.960
kind of crazy. I It's like I speak with my heart,

1268
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.319
like imagine almost like a mouth coming from my heart.

1269
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:26.039
So I'm like projecting my thoughts and I'm speaking and

1270
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:32.359
I say, hey, I'm sorry, but I have my biology

1271
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:35.199
kind of takes over and I get these scare feelings

1272
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.319
and I freeze up when you push the trees over.

1273
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:40.880
But I know you want to tell me you're here,

1274
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.079
and I know you want to remind me the lady treat.

1275
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:47.039
But can you leave? Or can you? I say, can

1276
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:51.359
you make the sound of an owl, but make it

1277
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:57.520
sound fake so I know it's you? And it was

1278
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:03.000
like maybe too too trips out. After that, I'm at

1279
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:07.239
my property and I hear it sounded just like two

1280
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:10.800
men down in the woods, but big men, and they

1281
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:17.439
went who who hoo who like out like the worst

1282
01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:24.920
barred owl imitation you ever heard? You? Right, yeah, said

1283
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:28.479
it out loud, And so now it was like, are

1284
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:35.279
there homeless people like down in the woods, And then

1285
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.359
so there was who who who? And then another one

1286
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.159
that was further down down the road and goes whooo.

1287
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:47.560
I was like, oh, all right, And there hasn't been

1288
01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.760
a tree push since, not a single tree push since,

1289
01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:53.840
and a whole other summer passed. I haven't had any

1290
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:59.479
tree falls. So it's like the totality of the circumstances

1291
01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:03.079
if trees kept falling here and I've lived here now

1292
01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.199
this time. Yes, we have had trees come down in storms,

1293
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:10.880
but the trees that were coming down was like, you know, calm, quiet, night.

1294
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:14.520
Beg so society will be right back after these messages.

1295
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:35.159
And weirdly, when I'm putting tools in the car at

1296
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.760
the end of the summer, so I suspected that maybe

1297
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:43.279
they would be leaving at the end of the first summer,

1298
01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:47.600
I suspected they might leave in the fall. I mean

1299
01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:52.640
again biologists looking around seeing the edible plants go by

1300
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:57.479
the wayside, knowing that the apple season was through, I

1301
01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:02.760
was okay, oh sorry, I'm just set the stage here.

1302
01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:06.479
I mentioned a few things earlier in the discussion, like

1303
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:09.439
I did field work and I looked for fossils, and

1304
01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:12.880
so I fossil hunting is like my little, my little

1305
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:15.760
fun hobby that I do, and I travel. I'll go

1306
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:19.319
all over the country to do a fossil dig. And

1307
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:21.960
when I was in college, there were some very specific

1308
01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:26.760
fossils that I studied because they were indicator indicator fossils.

1309
01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:31.800
And so this place that I built my house, it

1310
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:36.399
is on the kind of limestone that I studied in college.

1311
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.680
Was just kind of neat kind of things coming around

1312
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:42.960
full circle. I'm also like caver, it's cave forming limestone.

1313
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.079
So I should mention that I live along power lines

1314
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:50.760
on cave forming limestone at the confluence of two big

1315
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:55.560
rivers at the cemetery across the street. Like it's just

1316
01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.039
kind of funny that I wasn't like a bigfooter and

1317
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:00.760
then this kind of happened. But anyways, so I'm in

1318
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.439
the fossils. So it's the end of the summer, and

1319
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:06.239
I'm thinking, I wonder how they're going to let me

1320
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:10.479
know that they're not here, because I'm tossing apples and

1321
01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:13.119
things like this up into the woods. But I don't

1322
01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.479
want to waste food and I definitely don't want to

1323
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:21.079
encourage you know, wildlife coming to my coming, you know,

1324
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:23.079
a bay or something like that coming to me while

1325
01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:28.920
I'm here burning brush all winter. And so I'm down.

1326
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.760
I'm building a drainage ditch and I'm setting up to

1327
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.600
something called rip raps. I'm setting up these like rock

1328
01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:38.960
dams and things like that to control the water. And

1329
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.680
there's a there's a clear deer path that goes down

1330
01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:46.720
to this creek that I'm manipulating, and it's you know,

1331
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:50.680
it's a deer path, right, it's worn down, and I

1332
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:55.960
bent over placing rocks. I stand up, I'm like, okay,

1333
01:33:56.079 --> 01:34:00.159
done for the day. Walk up the deer path, and

1334
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.119
in the middle of the path is this big rock

1335
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:10.479
about the maybe like wider than a basketball. It's sick.

1336
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:14.359
It's a thick limestone punk, but it's got all the

1337
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.159
layers in the stratigoraphy in it, which is very different

1338
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:22.000
from the rock on my property. And I know this

1339
01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.319
because I'm into fossils and I am looking at every rock.

1340
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:29.800
So from their perspective, they see me bending over picking

1341
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.840
a box and looking at them all day long because

1342
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.399
I'm looking for fossils. But when I get this rock,

1343
01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:38.479
and I saw it from a distance, it like jumped

1344
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:43.439
out at me. Immediately. I was like, oh, oh my god,

1345
01:34:43.479 --> 01:34:47.520
where'd that come from? You know, having that freaky moment

1346
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.479
when like something appears in the trail and you don't

1347
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.159
know how it got there and it's just been like

1348
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:59.039
minutes since you were facing that direction. And I approach

1349
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:02.840
it and I'm like, oh my god, that's a that's

1350
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:04.720
a good one. That's a good woman's fossils in it,

1351
01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:08.199
and I, uh, you know, I'm examining it and I

1352
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.920
look a little closely, and it's got the in these

1353
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:16.359
very specific indicator fossils that I studied in college. Oh,

1354
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.479
Like I drew a picture in college of this, and

1355
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:24.039
that picture is now like that's exactly what this rock

1356
01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.479
looked like. I was like, oh my gosh, like they

1357
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:31.800
took a snapshot of my brain, went and found that rock.

1358
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.199
Like I knew where that rock came from. It came

1359
01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:37.960
from up on thatcher, because that's where I studied. I

1360
01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.039
studied those rocks in college. I was like, that does

1361
01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:43.279
not come from here. That came from up a thatcher.

1362
01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:50.840
And and then I remembered that about maybe like a

1363
01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:54.880
week earlier. I there was a smaller version of this

1364
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:58.720
that was again in the middle of the trail, and

1365
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:02.039
I didn't look very close at it. I set it aside.

1366
01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:04.800
I was like, it was like getting dark or something.

1367
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.279
I was like, oh, that could be a good fossil rock.

1368
01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:11.399
That's that looks out of place, that's weird. And I

1369
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.479
picked it up and I set it aside. I didn't

1370
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:15.880
look harder. So it was almost like they were like

1371
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:20.960
here and I'm like, hey, dummy, you didn't look hard

1372
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:23.279
enough at the little one, so here's a really big

1373
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:26.800
one that you yet literally have to step over. And

1374
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.319
I just that just blew my mind. And then I

1375
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:34.039
didn't have any Then it was all quiet here until

1376
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:41.079
till uh oh, there was an there was sorry, there

1377
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.760
was an incidence before this rock thing in the trail,

1378
01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:46.159
but yeah, it was all quiet here the next year.

1379
01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:49.359
So it was almost like a parting gift, like we're

1380
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.800
not gonna interact, you know, I don't know. I don't

1381
01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:53.840
want to put anything on it, but it just seemed

1382
01:36:53.840 --> 01:37:00.039
significant to the Before the end of the summer, I

1383
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:04.800
was then I had a very large fire pit, had.

1384
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:07.800
The area cleared all.

1385
01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:12.520
Around for probably about fifteen feet all around my fire pit.

1386
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.399
It was grassy. Then there had been all these weird

1387
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:19.159
things happening, and like my dog like trying to push

1388
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.079
me away from the brush and things like that. So

1389
01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:24.600
I cleared out brush on the fire pit because it

1390
01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:31.520
was getting creepy and I was so I had made

1391
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:35.880
this habit of when the coals died down, I would

1392
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:39.079
just stan the coals and let it go down to

1393
01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.680
ash and just enjoy the quiet of the night and

1394
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:44.399
look up at the stars. So it was in that

1395
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.359
moment I'm standing at the edge of the fire pit.

1396
01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:49.720
I think I was leaning on my shovel or a

1397
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:56.039
rake or something. And this was after the request to

1398
01:37:56.439 --> 01:38:01.479
sound like an owl. I something went like this in

1399
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:06.279
my face. It went who like that right in my face,

1400
01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:12.000
and it had a sound distortion to it like you

1401
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:15.159
would hear from a you know, the classic train example.

1402
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:18.800
So it was like strong in my face and then

1403
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.600
trailed like something was moving very fast past my face

1404
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:28.960
when it did it, and obviously my dog freaked. My

1405
01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:34.119
dog was like whoa, you know, And but was so wild,

1406
01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:39.279
Wilder than the who in my face of of something

1407
01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:45.680
male was the smell. There was this waft on the air,

1408
01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:48.520
like if somebody was running past you. There's like a

1409
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:52.520
wind and it smelled like skunk and wet dog.

1410
01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:57.960
I was like, no, freaking way, that is exactly what

1411
01:38:58.079 --> 01:38:59.000
it smells like.

1412
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.560
Smells like a mixture of skunk and wet dog with

1413
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:08.000
a hint of sweetness. And that sweetness was not unpleasant.

1414
01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:12.039
And I remember thinking, like, you guys, don't smell bad, Like, yeah,

1415
01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:15.479
wet dog had no big deal. Skunk smelled that before,

1416
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:21.760
and that sweetness was an interesting little mix in there.

1417
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:24.600
But that was also one of the last things that

1418
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:28.800
happened before the end of that that season, if you will,

1419
01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:33.840
and it stunned me so much that I didn't make

1420
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:37.680
the owl connection. For gosh. It was like a month later,

1421
01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:41.039
Like anytime these things happens, I'm a little bit stupefied,

1422
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:45.359
like I can't believe that really happened, like that that

1423
01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:49.119
was that really was a thing, And and now I'm

1424
01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:52.000
just in awe. And so I'll fast forward a little bit.

1425
01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:57.000
This was, oh gosh, maybe like a month ago. I

1426
01:39:57.159 --> 01:40:00.000
was thinking like, oh gosh, I haven't had any weird experience,

1427
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.720
it says, you know, thank God, Like I was like

1428
01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:05.880
cause I was getting not scared, but like that trepidation

1429
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.159
of like all right, I'm getting ready to move out here,

1430
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:12.279
the house is on the property. What's this going to be? Like? Like,

1431
01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:14.520
am I going to have bangs on the house? Like

1432
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:20.039
am I? Like? What's going to happen? And but nothing,

1433
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.800
nothing was happening. There was you know, no high strangeness,

1434
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:29.880
no no owl noises, no tree pushes, nothing moved, no,

1435
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:32.840
you know, you get you get the picture. So I

1436
01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:37.520
wasn't even thinking about my my neighbors. And uh so

1437
01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:41.199
I I'm getting into my car, like in and out

1438
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:44.439
of my car taking shovels out or something, and I

1439
01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:49.359
hear who from up in the woods by the cemetery,

1440
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:52.920
which is like, you know, I want to say it's

1441
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:55.680
across the street, but we're talking like up the hill,

1442
01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:59.319
so there's some distance to it. And it was a female.

1443
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:05.880
I was like, no way, I've never heard a female.

1444
01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:11.840
That was really freaking cool. It sounded just like if

1445
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:16.239
a big woman was up in the woods, like goofing

1446
01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:20.039
around and making a who sound, to the to the

1447
01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:23.319
point where my first thought in my head was what

1448
01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:26.479
is some lady doing? What's some lady doing up there

1449
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.279
on the land preserve Like that makes no sense.

1450
01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:31.720
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on with

1451
01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:38.319
your land? Uh, it's there's something wild that's going on there.

1452
01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:43.000
Yeah, yeah, the latest, the latest thing. And I feel

1453
01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:44.800
like I could be you know, I feel like I

1454
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.760
could be reading into this. But again, it's like the

1455
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:54.119
totality of the circumstances. You know, I've I've oh gosh,

1456
01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:57.680
I've I've had all the experiences with other of these

1457
01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:01.239
sasquatches that I've seen. So I haven't even told you

1458
01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:05.439
all the all the ones that I've seen at this point.

1459
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:09.359
I'm not saying that it's a lot, but I have seen.

1460
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:12.920
I had an experience where I saw one put Prest's

1461
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.760
face to the window, not at my house, and then

1462
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.239
I had another experience at Mammoth Cave. I had another

1463
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:23.800
experience in Colorado. So at this point this so you know,

1464
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.399
we're talking, it's been like three four years now. Now

1465
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:31.479
I'm getting more accustomed to it and able to fight

1466
01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:39.760
down the the fear and uh. But so, so this happened,

1467
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:42.039
and now I have to wonder like, oh, were they

1468
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.239
were they kind of helping me out there? So my

1469
01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.399
car broke down a few days ago and my dad

1470
01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:50.000
left me his car. There's something going the tires go

1471
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:54.800
flat fairly quick. So I was and I'm working at night,

1472
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:58.680
and so having this car functioning before I go to

1473
01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:02.000
bed was really really important. And I just moved in

1474
01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:07.800
my house a week ago, and so I should also

1475
01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:13.199
add I'm having a hornet problem, so being out, you know,

1476
01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:15.600
I don't want to be moving around in the middle

1477
01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:17.920
of the night around these hornets that are drawn to

1478
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.319
my headlamp. So I'm like, what are we gonna do

1479
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.159
with this car? My dad helps me find his pump.

1480
01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.800
The point is is there's a lot of preparation. I'm

1481
01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:29.880
out in the driveway. I have the car doors open,

1482
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.319
and I'm like, oh, I gotta get the battery for

1483
01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:37.199
the pump. And so come into the house and I'm exhausted.

1484
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:40.000
It's time for me to go to bed, and I'm

1485
01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:45.039
not thinking straight and I forget and so I go in,

1486
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:48.239
I make my sandwich, I let the dogs out. I'm

1487
01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:51.159
about to bring the dogs in through out on the deck,

1488
01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:55.199
and I can see through the kitchen window or through

1489
01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:58.319
the living room windows that the dogs are fixated on

1490
01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:02.600
something at the end of my driveway, and I hear

1491
01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:08.760
and I had always wondered what the sasquatch bark is

1492
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:13.039
with my dogs, because with Kiva, it was like a minute,

1493
01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.680
if I'm for her, if a man was running by,

1494
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:21.680
like jogger, she had this very specific bark and she

1495
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:24.439
and she did that. I knew one was coming, and

1496
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:27.920
I've got a really fantastic story about that and tree notps.

1497
01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:31.279
I've gotta I've gotta tell you that one. But so

1498
01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:33.119
in the back of my mind, I had wondered, well,

1499
01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:35.439
what's going to be the sasquatch bark with my dogs?

1500
01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:39.399
So Kiva died. Sorry, I'm a little bit of backstory.

1501
01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:41.760
Kiva died, and I was scared to live out here

1502
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:45.840
without dog protection. And I got my first dog and

1503
01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:49.840
she was only forty pounds. I got another dog. She's

1504
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:52.960
sixty pounds and eight months old, this giant German shepherd.

1505
01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:57.960
And so so anyway, I'm like, what's what's their sasquatch bark?

1506
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:01.720
And a sound like, well, I think I heard so. So there.

1507
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:06.079
So they're they're toughing and barking, and I'm thinking there's

1508
01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:09.159
somebody standing at the end of my driveway because they're fixated.

1509
01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:14.800
And I'm like, what jerk is like looking at at

1510
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:16.640
my wind? You know, looking at it, trying to look

1511
01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:20.239
at my windows from the driveway, and I walk out

1512
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:24.199
on my deck and I could tell that, you know,

1513
01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:27.760
and you have a sense that there was just something there,

1514
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:32.560
that it was totally still. The tree limbs were waving

1515
01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:37.560
back and forth, probably to about eight feet up into

1516
01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:43.439
the air, as if something big just went from you know,

1517
01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:46.960
the end of my driveway up into the woods. And

1518
01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:50.720
but the thing is is the dogs didn't do the

1519
01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:54.159
deer bark or the bear bark or the dog bark.

1520
01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:56.520
They did the person bark.

1521
01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:00.520
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1522
01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:20.199
And so you know, you don't think sasquatch, you think

1523
01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:23.239
there's a person there. But then I got thinking about

1524
01:46:23.279 --> 01:46:26.920
the totality of the situation, which was a wait a minute,

1525
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:32.000
there's a huge ditch on the other side of that road,

1526
01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:36.920
and then the hillside goes straight up and not straight up,

1527
01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:40.239
but like those hard embankments that I would have to climb,

1528
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:45.760
you know, hand over foot, you know, like kids do,

1529
01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:49.840
you know, up up the side of hill. And it's like,

1530
01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.359
there's just no way I was a person. I was like,

1531
01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:54.880
and why would a bear do that? There's a game

1532
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.600
trail to the right and to the left, and so

1533
01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.159
this is spinning through my head. And then while this

1534
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.039
is spitting through my head, I noticed I left the

1535
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:06.319
car doors open, the head the light, and the cars

1536
01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:12.239
on to the two flat tires like and I'm literally

1537
01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:14.880
I was. I was getting ready to pull the dogs

1538
01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:17.800
into the house and I just waved my I told

1539
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:22.680
the dogs. I said, hey, they're okay, it's okay. The

1540
01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:25.840
dogs stopped barking. I just waved and said, thank you,

1541
01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.239
thank you so much, took care of my car and

1542
01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:31.520
went in. And I thought, oh, I'm really glad I

1543
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.039
left them three snickers up in the woods the day before.

1544
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:38.840
So yes, it could have been anything. But it's the

1545
01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:45.159
totality of the circumstances, it's the coincidences, it's the I

1546
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:48.880
have to just you know, I figure i'd rather thank

1547
01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:53.600
my good neighbors than than not thank them. And you

1548
01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:55.880
know what I mean, Like, I'd rather be my imagination

1549
01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.600
and I and I'm thanking them. I reached out with

1550
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:02.920
my mom and said, look, I will leave the curtains

1551
01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:06.720
open for you. You can watch me when I'm sleeping.

1552
01:48:07.239 --> 01:48:11.119
You can see through the windows that I'm cooking. You

1553
01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.680
can you know, I'm okay with you watching me, but

1554
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.479
I just don't ever want to wake up in the mid

1555
01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:20.600
of the night and look out the window and see

1556
01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:23.239
a face staring at me. I'm not ready to see

1557
01:48:23.239 --> 01:48:29.880
your face. And that's kind of where we're at. And

1558
01:48:29.960 --> 01:48:33.159
like maybe someday I will be ready to see them,

1559
01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:36.560
but at this point, it seems like there's been great

1560
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:41.279
care not to scare me. And I don't want to

1561
01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:44.199
be one of those people that my ego jumps in

1562
01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.720
and say like I'm special or I have a message.

1563
01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:52.960
I'm just living peacefully with something. And since that twenty

1564
01:48:53.039 --> 01:48:59.600
nineteen experience, I have had other paranormal experiences I didn't

1565
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:05.000
even tell, Like, it's not just it's not justin twenty nineteen.

1566
01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:07.199
It's been a lot of my life. But I just

1567
01:49:07.319 --> 01:49:13.479
never recognize things in that way. Like I used to

1568
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:16.039
live by I used to work by Skinwalker Ranch. You know,

1569
01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:18.560
saw a lot of things out there. You know, I

1570
01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:22.720
have friends that had sasquatch stories. It's just since about

1571
01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:28.680
twenty nineteen, I've started just maybe recognizing things as okay.

1572
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:31.720
With my science background, there's some things that I don't

1573
01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:35.520
understand that we don't understand yet. But I can try

1574
01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:39.439
to understand, I can test, I can look for repeatability.

1575
01:49:40.600 --> 01:49:43.760
It's if I if I reach out to something in

1576
01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:46.479
the forest and there's nothing there, but I've lived a

1577
01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:49.640
good life and feeling like I'm in harmony, then that's

1578
01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:54.560
better than like not reaching out and just feeling like, oh,

1579
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.720
I guess trees fall all the time. With property, like,

1580
01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:01.600
I don't know it's in In some ways, it's a choice.

1581
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:06.560
But but there's a lot of things that have happened,

1582
01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:10.199
so I'll give them. I'll give one another example. And

1583
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:14.079
this is one of my favorite stories because when I

1584
01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:17.680
tell people, when I tell people like conferences and like

1585
01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:21.840
Whitehall and stuff like that, I get blanks stairs back.

1586
01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:24.920
It's it's like kind of but yet I lived it.

1587
01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:28.000
So this was back when I was hunting for property.

1588
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:31.359
This was after the experience where I saw one lean

1589
01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:34.239
out from behind the true Now I'm on the west

1590
01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:36.600
side of the Hudson. I'm happy sharing where it was

1591
01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:40.840
out by Clarksville and there's a famous not famous. There's

1592
01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:44.239
like a cave to us cavers. It's well known, the

1593
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:49.239
clark Still Cave, and the property right next to it

1594
01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:53.760
was for sale. I wanted that property, so badly to

1595
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:58.840
put a caving community, you know, like Airbnb there. And

1596
01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:03.680
at this point I'd had several of these experiences with

1597
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:09.359
the forest friends that I knew, uh, like, okay, this

1598
01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.960
this is caving cave area. You know, there's a possibility

1599
01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.319
that they could be here. So I took the afternoon

1600
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:21.399
this is full, full pandemic mode. The real realtor couldn't

1601
01:51:21.399 --> 01:51:23.279
meet me out there. They just had go on out

1602
01:51:23.319 --> 01:51:26.560
there and you know, take pictures. So I went out

1603
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:29.920
to take pictures and don't dig a test pit, and

1604
01:51:31.159 --> 01:51:35.640
I again blissed out, you know, taking photos. I finding

1605
01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:40.520
plants I hadn't seen, honoring the cave that was there

1606
01:51:41.239 --> 01:51:46.119
planning the future, and there was no sasquatch activity, and

1607
01:51:46.119 --> 01:51:50.279
and I thought, gosh, surely after that, I mean, I

1608
01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:52.800
was like expecting something to peek out from behind a

1609
01:51:52.840 --> 01:51:56.560
tree after just having having that experience, so my nerves

1610
01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:58.880
are calming down. I was like, oh, I've been out

1611
01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:02.000
here for a few hours, nothing years happened, you know,

1612
01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.199
Silly Jenny in her imagination like I can just like

1613
01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:07.319
move on with my life. You know, those were like

1614
01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:11.119
weird one off. So I'm at the end of the

1615
01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:15.159
time there I there. Oh yeah, and there's trail cameras

1616
01:52:15.159 --> 01:52:18.920
everywhere because it's Clark's o Cave. There's there's there's trail cams.

1617
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:22.560
So I just stepped from the area where all the

1618
01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:27.560
trail cams are facing toward Clark's the Cave onto what

1619
01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:30.279
I'm sure is the property that I want to purchase.

1620
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:36.319
And I hear my dog, Kiva and at the car

1621
01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:40.439
going boo like she does when a man runs really

1622
01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:44.560
fast past past the car, and I thought, oh, that's

1623
01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:49.079
you know, that's funny, like there's some guy, some guy

1624
01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:53.800
down there, maybe you know. But I thought, I've been

1625
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:55.840
here all this time. It can't be a sasquatch, right,

1626
01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:00.760
because they had ample time to reveal themselves, so kind

1627
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:06.840
of half chuckle and you know, laughing laughingly. I was like, okay, guys,

1628
01:53:07.079 --> 01:53:09.279
I'm leaving now. If you're here, gonna have to make

1629
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:13.560
yourselves known. And as the word known leaves my lips,

1630
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:18.920
I hear it sounded exactly how people describe it. It

1631
01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:23.640
sounded like a Louisville slugger breaking in half. But this

1632
01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:30.079
Louisville slugger is like eight inches thick. It was the loudest,

1633
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:35.199
craziest crack and there were three of them, one right

1634
01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:38.159
above my head, one on the other side of the

1635
01:53:38.239 --> 01:53:43.359
little like field. It's like, you know, maybe one hundred feet,

1636
01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:45.920
and then another one about one hundred feet behind that.

1637
01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:50.159
So it's quack a crack. And but that crack above

1638
01:53:50.199 --> 01:53:54.920
my head was literally above my head. I thought that

1639
01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:58.399
a tree branch was about to fall in my head.

1640
01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:02.840
I thought that a tree, giant tree branch had broken

1641
01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:05.399
above my head and was in the process of falling

1642
01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:08.479
on me. And I jumped out of the way and

1643
01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:11.640
like looking over my shoulder to the left at the

1644
01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:16.560
same time, there was a tree there. It was only

1645
01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:23.960
about uh six feet high because it probably broke off

1646
01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:27.640
one hundred years ago. It was like a hundred year

1647
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:33.960
old skeleton of a giant white pine and the rest

1648
01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:36.239
of the tree was laying on the ground. I was like,

1649
01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:42.760
so there was nothing, there was no matter to percuss.

1650
01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:45.319
I was like, what did I do, like go back

1651
01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:47.920
in time to the moment that that tree broke, Like

1652
01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:52.960
that's not like, that's not a thing either. And it

1653
01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:56.279
was so loud and so scary, and I thought I

1654
01:54:56.399 --> 01:55:01.319
was about to be crushed. I instantly had and I

1655
01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:03.720
just said, you guys, are gonna do that to me,

1656
01:55:03.800 --> 01:55:06.920
You're gonna get moved And I dropped my pis. I

1657
01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:09.319
had to be I had to be really bad and

1658
01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:17.760
I just but people say like that, like or when

1659
01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:20.119
I say, people, I told you a little earlier about

1660
01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:25.079
my friend Chris, and I've had many conversations with her,

1661
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:29.079
like trying to understand again, like uh, what what was this?

1662
01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:29.960
A bear? Was this?

1663
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:30.239
Ah?

1664
01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:33.319
Was this a sasquatch? Was this? You know? What was this?

1665
01:55:33.479 --> 01:55:37.319
And what's great is this friend of mine who's I

1666
01:55:37.319 --> 01:55:41.119
would say psychic. She's great about being like nope, Jenny,

1667
01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:44.000
that was a nothing burger Like that was nothing. It

1668
01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:46.399
was like, Okay, that's cool, Like it helps me like

1669
01:55:46.479 --> 01:55:51.439
discern the feelings. So anyways, I've asked her like what

1670
01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:54.279
what is this about? Like and she just says, well,

1671
01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:58.520
they think you're hilarious. And I think that this is

1672
01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:03.039
a scene that people might that I think the community

1673
01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.359
could take a look at. So when I listen to

1674
01:56:05.399 --> 01:56:09.920
these podcasts and I hear these stories from people, I

1675
01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:14.039
don't think, oh, that was a scary story necessarily. I

1676
01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:17.279
think all that fastquatch is having a great time messing

1677
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:22.119
with that person they Does that make sense? Like they're

1678
01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:26.960
having they're having a great time at our expense, and

1679
01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:30.760
I think they leave tracks to taunt people. I think

1680
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:32.520
they're just like, oh, you know what would be really

1681
01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:38.840
funny one track of mud puddles, right, or like, you

1682
01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:41.239
know what would be really funny would be like make

1683
01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.199
this silly thing out of sticks and just leave it

1684
01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:47.479
in the woods and sit and watch people like stop

1685
01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.479
and look at it. Or oh, let's toss pebbles of them.

1686
01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:56.960
So for me that through all of these experiences, I

1687
01:56:57.399 --> 01:57:00.479
look as like, oh haha, like you guys, guys are

1688
01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.920
having a good time, and then I will like do

1689
01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:06.560
something funny in return. So like when I got hit

1690
01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:09.159
with the walnut, I was like, Okay, fine, you're gonna

1691
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:11.279
throw something with a funny pattern at me. I'm gonna

1692
01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:16.399
throw throw back a piece of candy with a funny

1693
01:57:16.439 --> 01:57:19.560
pattern on it. And it's peppermint. It's probably like it's

1694
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:21.920
probably too strong a taste, you know what I mean,

1695
01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:26.880
It's gonna be like a I don't know, not maybe

1696
01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:27.600
not delicious.

1697
01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:28.359
That's that's right.

1698
01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:37.560
Exactly. So obviously that's not that's not gonna be the

1699
01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:40.800
case with everybody. But I'm just saying that has been

1700
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:44.640
my experience. So and I had been in a tear.

1701
01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:49.560
I left one of my first stories with them. I

1702
01:57:49.640 --> 01:57:51.880
left on a different podcast. I don't know if you

1703
01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:54.920
want me to stay it out loud, but it was

1704
01:57:55.000 --> 01:58:00.439
fran King Sharp's Uh yeah, I love that podcast us

1705
01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:04.279
you know, Brian, Tiffany, Wayne all, all the all the

1706
01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:09.119
folks associated with that, uh, those productions, and so I

1707
01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:13.920
it was like this three day adventure where something pursued

1708
01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:17.960
us in the forest and ultimately, I believe now I

1709
01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:21.279
got hit with infrasound and I got to experience that

1710
01:58:21.359 --> 01:58:25.840
like instant, like the bowels are moving, you gotta pee,

1711
01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:30.800
And so that's kind of like what is more fun

1712
01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:34.439
to sasquatch? Right? And then like see a bunch of

1713
01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:36.439
people and all of a sudden make them feel sick

1714
01:58:37.239 --> 01:58:39.479
and pee. Yeah, I don't know, like you kind of

1715
01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:41.880
kind of think of it from their perspective, like I

1716
01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:44.199
think they just love messing with us.

1717
01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:48.600
Like I think, so there might be I think you

1718
01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:52.760
definitely might be onto something there that there's probably there's

1719
01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:57.119
definitely an entertainment factor. You know that it's got to be.

1720
01:58:57.680 --> 01:58:59.880
I mean I feel like, yeah, there's an entertainment factor.

1721
01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:03.920
The way that they watch us and stuff. There's definitely

1722
01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:04.479
something there.

1723
01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:08.319
And like with the who like with the owl thing,

1724
01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:11.359
like I asked him to sell like an owl. So

1725
01:59:11.399 --> 01:59:13.960
what does he do? He runs up and goes who

1726
01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:17.159
like right in my face because I said, like, because

1727
01:59:17.159 --> 01:59:19.880
it won't be as scary. So what he does is

1728
01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:25.720
he does something that's terrified. You asked for You asked

1729
01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:28.680
for this, lady, like, you're the one who asked for it, Like,

1730
01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:34.439
I'm sure it was hilarious to them, and or to

1731
01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:36.720
the homeless people living in my woods. It's like, what

1732
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:39.680
is what is the alternative? I have homeless people living

1733
01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:44.000
in my woods and I can't quite see and that

1734
01:59:44.119 --> 01:59:47.439
my dog like allows and it starts get it starts

1735
01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:51.560
getting uh weirder and weirder. And I do want to know,

1736
01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:56.800
is I have encountered feral people? I think maybe I

1737
01:59:56.840 --> 02:00:00.159
have encountered feral people before in the forest and I

1738
02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:03.880
have encountered like in North I worked in North Georgia

1739
02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:07.960
for years. I mentioned this on Brian's podcast, Like I

1740
02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:11.079
did encounter students when I worked with the Wilderness Program

1741
02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:16.319
report seeing man in the bushes, you know, Another time

1742
02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:20.039
someone came as uh like I went by the name

1743
02:00:20.119 --> 02:00:23.039
g I there and then GI there's there's somebody with

1744
02:00:23.159 --> 02:00:26.840
a red headlamp staring at me while I'm peeing, you know,

1745
02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:31.239
And and then my dog tracks something up into the forest.

1746
02:00:31.359 --> 02:00:35.279
So whether that's a person or something else, there's definitely,

1747
02:00:36.279 --> 02:00:38.279
you know, people in the forest. I can tell you

1748
02:00:38.319 --> 02:00:41.840
that I've I lived up on Mount Hood for years

1749
02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:45.479
and that's where I saw my first That's where I

1750
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:50.479
saw somebody just like this person looked so fairal and

1751
02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:53.319
they just walked in front of my band in the

1752
02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:57.840
middle of the night, and it was freaky, like no headlights,

1753
02:00:57.840 --> 02:01:02.079
it was no headlamp on, just like walking walking through

1754
02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:06.119
the forest like they like they knew every rock, every

1755
02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:11.479
you know, I don't know it was, uh, anyway, I've

1756
02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:16.279
seen that, and you know, I've come across shelters in

1757
02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:19.520
the forest that I believe, I believe were clearly people.

1758
02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:21.920
And I knew a guy he just lived up in

1759
02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:24.680
a cave up in Little Coltwood Canyon for the winter.

1760
02:01:25.319 --> 02:01:27.119
You know. I worked with this guy up at Brighton.

1761
02:01:27.279 --> 02:01:33.319
So people do live in unusual circumstances, and I think

1762
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:38.960
that's important to mention. So, you know, so my family,

1763
02:01:39.039 --> 02:01:42.319
I think is of the impression of like, yeah, we

1764
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:46.279
just really hope it's not homeless people, you know, homeless

1765
02:01:46.279 --> 02:01:51.640
people living in your woods messing with you. Yeah, yeah, right,

1766
02:01:52.199 --> 02:01:57.479
and uh and so I got I have a two dogs,

1767
02:01:57.640 --> 02:02:03.199
one very large one and uh. Anyway, so I was

1768
02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:08.760
rambling on. But so that experience with the crack of

1769
02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:12.640
the tree what I'll call them tree knocks, I don't

1770
02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:15.079
know other way to describe, other way to put it.

1771
02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:19.680
But I have said to people before, like quote unquote researchers.

1772
02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:24.279
I was like, look, I experienced one right above my head.

1773
02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:27.840
I'm telling you, I could not see what made it.

1774
02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:31.640
There was no matter to percuss, there was no stick,

1775
02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:34.880
there was no there was nothing. And there were two

1776
02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:38.760
more that followed. So ok, so it was like, you

1777
02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:41.800
don't believe one, maybe you don't believe two. We'll give

1778
02:02:41.800 --> 02:02:46.880
you three. And you know what I mean. So anyway,

1779
02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:53.439
and I get blank stairs. So there's definitely hot, you know,

1780
02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:58.920
high strangeness that we still could look at as data. Right,

1781
02:02:59.079 --> 02:03:03.680
So when I'm talking about is repeatability. So sure, I'm

1782
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:08.600
walking through the woods, I hear a crack that sounds

1783
02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:11.119
like a tree break. I have been in the woods

1784
02:03:11.279 --> 02:03:15.439
as a wilderness guide and almost been killed by trees

1785
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:18.159
that you know, branches that randomly fall in the forest,

1786
02:03:18.520 --> 02:03:22.520
trees that fall lighten, lightning strikes, all that stuff. It

1787
02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:25.960
does truly happen. How many times does it happen? When

1788
02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:30.319
you say, hey, guys, I'm about to leave. You know,

1789
02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:32.159
if you want to make yourselves known, you know, you

1790
02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:34.000
got to do it now, Like.

1791
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:42.279
Yeah, that's yeah, Jenny. I think I think I would

1792
02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:44.920
definitely love you to come back for a part two

1793
02:03:45.079 --> 02:03:49.479
because I've made a list here of topics that we

1794
02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:52.960
haven't even I mean, you were mentioned Skinwalker Ranch and

1795
02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:57.119
Mount Hood and North Georgia, and I mean, I think

1796
02:03:57.479 --> 02:04:00.800
I would love to have you back. But this has

1797
02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:02.359
been absolutely incredible.

1798
02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:06.760
I'm glad you had I'm glad you had fun. I

1799
02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:08.720
you know, I really I do enjoy talking to you.

1800
02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:11.520
I feel really, you know, at home, I realize I'm

1801
02:04:11.560 --> 02:04:14.399
a rambler and I'm a talker, and I had step

1802
02:04:14.399 --> 02:04:19.640
by step notes which I you know, I got lost

1803
02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:21.399
in my brain and sat down a long time ago.

1804
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:24.880
I would love to come back, I would, you know.

1805
02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:29.720
I had entered into this conversation thinking that maybe we

1806
02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:34.000
would even discuss more about the science. I can answer

1807
02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:38.520
a lot of like genetic questions and you know, like

1808
02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:41.760
talk about the science and things. Yeah, i'd love to

1809
02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:46.039
come back. And obviously the experiences here I don't think

1810
02:04:46.079 --> 02:04:52.920
are just gonna stop. Yeah, And I haven't even gotten

1811
02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:58.880
into since I'm careful who I share the experiences with,

1812
02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:02.399
because some of my friends who I've shared things with

1813
02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:08.000
now have have had what you call them like confirmations.

1814
02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:14.760
And I would love to talk for another time. But

1815
02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:17.479
about the one I saw Bess's face in the window,

1816
02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:21.079
that one looked like a caveman, uh more like what

1817
02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:25.920
I hear Fred up in Alaska describe. That was another

1818
02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:30.079
one of those crazy stories that happened during my meditation group.

1819
02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:34.359
And then obviously I saw the individual over by East Groombush.

1820
02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:37.439
I saw that one. I've seen the one I would

1821
02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:42.720
say one last time, also around that meditation group, and

1822
02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:49.920
then we I mentioned earlier. I'm also happy to to,

1823
02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:55.039
you know, do hypnosis for somebody that has had an

1824
02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:58.159
experience that they want to derive more information from. And

1825
02:05:58.600 --> 02:06:00.319
you can cut that out if you want, but I'm

1826
02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:03.319
just sure, you know, I'm just putting that out there.

1827
02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:08.960
You know, it's obviously there's a state involved with some

1828
02:06:09.079 --> 02:06:14.239
of my experiences, and I'm open to those being hallucinatory

1829
02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:19.079
because I understand how those neurotransmitters work. But like I said,

1830
02:06:19.159 --> 02:06:21.399
I think as a community, what we need to do

1831
02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:25.760
with the high strangeness is test it, test it for repeatability,

1832
02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:28.920
and accept that Yep, some of this could be in

1833
02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:32.079
our head. But if it's testable and repeatable, we need

1834
02:06:32.119 --> 02:06:34.479
to look at it as a data point and try

1835
02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:37.840
to understand it. And and uh, I guess my final

1836
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:40.960
My final word on this is, yeah, I'm a scientist,

1837
02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:48.119
Kenneth biologist, deep into the science. And when when that

1838
02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:52.760
when the then diagram starts overlapping with things I can

1839
02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:57.399
explain my I don't believe the answer is to reject it.

1840
02:06:57.479 --> 02:06:59.640
I believe the answer is to test it. And that's

1841
02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:01.119
kind of that's where I'm at.

1842
02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:05.359
I think that's a perfect way to kind of sum

1843
02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:08.399
up what we've been talking about today. And yeah, just

1844
02:07:08.760 --> 02:07:11.319
thank you for coming on, Jenny, and we'll definitely be

1845
02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:14.359
in touch to set up a second time.

1846
02:07:14.439 --> 02:07:18.920
But thank you, Thanks Jeremiah. I hope you have a wonderful.

1847
02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:20.520
Night you as well.

1848
02:07:21.800 --> 02:07:22.159
Good Bye.

1849
02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:25.760
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02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:29.359
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all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

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someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. If you've had any encounters an Oregon,

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which I'm sure there's probably a few of you out there,

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please feel free to reach out immediately. You can use

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email Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. A special thank

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you to all the Bigfoot Society Patreon and YouTube channel members.

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It's your support that helps keep the show going and

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I extremely appreciate it. If you want to join in

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the fun, you can join over at patreon dot com

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forward slash the big Foot Society. I'll see you there,

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and again, thanks for listening.

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Her and I can get on here. We can tell

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our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's

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too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

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them the courage to come out. And I feels so

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bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know

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what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all

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I care about.

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Please let people know, Please let them know. If you

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ever see one of these things, you need you tell,

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because if you don't, then shame on you. You have

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Shame on you.