A Scientist Comes to Grip with the Paranormal Side of Bigfoot

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society. We got the privilege of talking to Jenny from New York. Jenny is a listener that reached out to me quite a while ago about some things that she has been experiencing over the years, and it's a privilege to finally be able to sit down with her and have a conversation. So, Jenny, welcome to the show.

0:59 Thanks Jeremiah. I'm really happy to be here today. So I guess you know, would you like me to just start with the main topic that I wrote into you about, Yeah, with the rest area in Utah. Okay, So I had had some experiences before this incident, but I okay put it. They they weren't visuals. They were you know, the usual weird, unexplainable stuff that can happen in the forest that you can kind of like chuckle about and you're like, oh, was that a bigfoot? But you can't really like say you saw it. So this is my first time I ever saw one. So a little bit of background is probably necessary here. So I was a wilderness guide for eight years, a paid wilderness guide in like Utah, Utah, Oregon, Georgia, North Carolina, in New York, pretty much all over the country.

2:03 Before that, I was a guide in a different capacity for backcountry snowboarding. And then I loved nature and being outside. But I am also I'm a scientist. I love science, So I went to school to be a scientist. And so I was at this point deep into a biology degree and I needed to do my field work for my internship, and my field work was environmental science focused, and I was also doing a deep dive study into cryptogamic soils in Utah and dinosaur bones and land issues and kind of this intersection with land issues, wilderness and science.

2:51 And so this brought me out to this amazing place in Utah called Capital Reef, and I was just learning all I could good and I was spending a lot of time alone by my you know alone really sometimes backpacking out and spending the night looking at fossils, or driving out in my little car, staying in the middle of nowhere. So a lot of alone time. And so when I had this experience, it was very weird that I hadn't had it. I hadn't seen a sasquatch in one of these like completely remote places. This was by the side of a road in a rest area. So a little bit of this backstory is that my dog had passed about a year earlier and I was really missing my big german shepherd. And so when I was on doing this field work outside Capitol Reef, I thought, well, I will see if there's any big german shepherds that need rescued out of the out of the shelter there in Richfield. And so I had found a shepherd that I was planning on transporting to Boulder, but because because of this incident, I kept this dog, and this dog ended up being the main interaction with these sasquatch beings into the future. So this is like day one with this dog. So I picked this dog out. I've been doing field work all summer. I'm in I'm in staying

4:24 in Tori, Utah working and there and then doing my field work, and so I'm able to squeeze in some time to drive out to Richfield and go pick up this dog. And so I get out there. This dog is, you know, at death's door. She was going to be euthanized that morning. And I say this, I had just this mindset of like just love for this dog, and I didn't really know her yet. I just was saving a wife. And so we were driving back from the from the shelter and we were I want to say, well, we were driving through the Fish Lake Mountains and there's a rest area. I believe it's before you descend down into Bichdal. There's this rest area that's a gravel road.

5:12 It's there's hunting campers there at this time of year. So this was last week in August, and it's like a little reservoir. These are all over Utah for flood control and so it's surrounded by stagebrush and there's aspen trees, which struck me when I pulled in, and as I could swear that I saw people fishing, or that I had a sense that people were there fishing. There's like these little pullouts along the lake. And so I was looking for a place to wash this dog that had been in the shelter, and and so I was looking for like a place away from everybody. And so I went to the end of the little dirt road. This again is right along the i'd say highway, but it's like a two lane main road through the Fish Lake Mountains.

6:06 And we get out of the car and I, you know, we walk out to the lake and it's not cobble, so it's the end of the summer, so the water is really low. It's hard to walk. And this is significant later, but I have The point is I have a very clear view of the beach and the aspen trees and the campers, and I'm like making a mental note like, oh, these are probably people out scoping for ELP or they're bow hunters. I can't remember both. The season had started, but I didn't I didn't feel alone, you know, That's the point here. So I'm splashing water on this dog that again I barely know her, and she she is terrified of the water, so it's clear that something had happened to her. And so in the middle of her freaking out with the water me trying to wash her, she stiffens and starts growling like you know, scary growl, and not at me, but she's staring at the aspen trees that are along the beach. So she is, you know, staring and growling, and my first thought is, oh, there's like a man approaching, or a hunter or something like that. So now my attention turns and I see that there is a very weird man peeking out from behind the aspen trees, and it's it's several little aspen

7:41 clusters from where my cobbled beach starts, so it's you know, can't see real clearly at this point, but my dog is fixated. And now her bark is like an alarm bark or growl like danger. And I didn't know this dog really well, but I know German shepherds and I knew that grass. So we start getting out of the water, and that quote unquote man now moves very fast from one aspen tree to the next aspen tree closer to me, and he's like punched. He's all gray, his hair is over his face. He's skin and bone like. He's got these really broad shoulders, but is very bony and is making his arms are weird. His hands are like down by his knees, and he's kind of like kind of shuffly swoopy with his arms like feet or shuffley. Arms are a little bit swoopy. But he's not running like a regular person would like with elbows up. His hands are down. And I heard some I think somebody on this podcast say, just like a few episodes ago, there was almost cartoonish. Yeah, it was like it reminded me

9:11 of a like one of that bugs bunny monster with the broad shoulders and dragging arms. But my brain was like, that is a crazy man. That is a crazy man coming at me, trying to sneak up at me. So at this point he's moved another tree forward, and now I can see that he's very tall, and he's behind an aspen tree which is comically too small to hide him. So now I see these bony shoulders, big broad shoulders poking out on either side of the tree and it's all in gray, and I'm like, why is that? Why is that man gray head head to toe. That's not hunting camo, that's not a Gillie suit, that's he's just all gray. That's so weird. And and also like I can see you like you are doing a terrible job of hiding, and they're like, this is a crazy person.

10:17 So and also he's very big, so like a very big, creepy crazy person who's hiding his face behind the tree. And so so now I'm running for the car. The dog is, you know, growling like danger, danger, and but we're trying to run over those terrible cobbles and it's all open between me and my car. Now this crazy man is now moved another tree closer again that crazy swoopy movement. And then I now he's peaked out from behind the aspen tree looking at me. And what was And it took honestly, it took years to like process this.

11:10 The hair was pulled over the face like cousin it. And I was like, that is like cousin it. That is so weird. So so now I'm like, what is this weird tall man with no clothes? But weird hair and. Hair he's got long hair and it's pulled over his face and he's peeking at me from behind a tree and he's coming still coming forward, and so I'm thinking about to get snatched. By a crazy person. So I now by this time, I'm in the car. Dog's in the car. And while I got into the car, it moved to the closest tree it could to me. So now it's very close, like like not rabbed me out of my car. Close, But had I not run to my car, he would be between me and my car, and or he could get between me and my car. So now I tear out of there, and as I'm pulling out, he leans out behind the tree like I can. I can see him looking at me from behind the tree. And again I'm thinking, like that is some kind of crazy man like trying to snatch me. And also in the back of my head, I'm like, why isn't anybody helping me, like with the hunters and the fishermen, Like why is nobody helping me? That was probably one of the freakiest things,

12:42 was like how did this thing sneak up on me? Like how did that? How did that even happen? Where did it come from? You know, the sagebrush is not very tall, Like what how did that even happen? And so I get down to get down to my work and tory and like, you know, besides like oh I just got myself a stinky club that just saved my life. There's a crazy man at the rest area my big nol like, and I was talking to people like do you know about this? Like do you know about this weird skinny, tall man with the hair pull over his face and he's all in gray and he walks really weird.

13:32 And everybody looked at me like what are you talking about? So that was that was like I thought I was getting snatched. Now we're gonna fast forward like years and years ahead after having more experiences and seeing more of these beings. Of course, I heard somebody, I think it was on this podcast talk about seeing one that looked like cousin it. And when that person said that, I just like it all. It all came into clarity, like, oh my god, that sasquatch pulled the hair over his face to like obscure his face so it wouldn't be as freaky, right, because if I had seen like a sasquatch peek out from behind a tree with the full face and the brows and everything. I would never have waited that long to get in the car, but instead my brain was like trying to figure this obscured situation out.

14:39 What do you mean when you say, uh, getting snatched? What? What did? What's your definition of that? So I at the time, I thought it was like a crazy person that was trying to like kill me, like gonna try to grab me and like like stuff me into one of those campers or make me disappear, because there is a I mean, I hate to say it, but there's like a you know, kidnapping cord of the corridor across the Utahue in Kansas, Colorado, and so and I have had, like I have had like life experience of somebody trying to grab me before. So it was like one part like PTSD and then the other part like there's a real threat here, feeling like there was a very real threat there that I was going to get grabbed. I wasn't thinking like grabbed and eaten or I was just thinking more immediate, like whatever that is could grab me and stuff me in one of those campers.

15:48 Big for society will be right back after these messages. Oh absolutely, wow, that that would be horrifying. I'd be right there with you, especially if I confess see its face, I mean something about that is very weird. So you can see everything so weird. No, I could see that there was bone structure, like you know, that there was eyes, the face was long and skinny, and when he moved like lean like I wouldn't say lean, but like scooched his face. From around the side of the tree, could see hair like movement right, so it was like not fabric it was like a movement there. So it was it was like, why is that man have his hair pulled over his face? It was weird or like a you know. I was like, at first I saw it from a distance, and I thought it was like, why does that man have the hood over his head? It's summertime, it's hot. It didn't that didn't make sense. And then as it got closer I could get more of a feel that this was just really this was weird. Something was really weird.

17:21 Were you able to see like a shape to the head at all or was the hair just too much? It was the hair obscured the like the drawlne the neck, the like chined of shoulder aspect. Trying to think it was just long and skinny. I'm trying to think of something like it. It was. You know, I've seen people that are were thin like this, and it's just like when somebody is very very thin and their their crany on this kind of looks very narrowed.

18:05 But the fate it was long like it. It was the head was longer than a person's bike head from top of the head, top of the skull to the jaw, If that makes sense. Did you ever do any research or anything to see if similar experiences had happened in that same area or anything else. Oh, that's such a good question. I never thought too. Weirdly, I never thought too. I Yeah, I was so out of touch with what it was. I had to leave in a couple of days to go do my field work, and also I had to then go after this finished up, I had to then go spend the next few days by myself in the wilderness with this dog. So I was very very like disconnected from the danger, like I had partitioned the danger away from me in my mind because I had to go finish my field work. And then I went on years of living in the wilderness by myself. So it was like the reality of that possibility of what that could have been. It just couldn't sink in. Does that make sense?

19:25 Absolutely? God, well, feel free to it sounds like this this maybe connects to other things as well or yeah. So so this happened, and then I I went on to have a magic you know, just absolute magic with this dog. She was, you know, my good luck charm. I made my dinosaur discovery a few years or you know, I found basically, I finished my field work with this dog and we formed quite a connection, had more experiences with these beings cape on, the situation changed. So while at the time I thought I was being snatched, in hindsight, I think that it looked weird and it moved weird because it was old. And I thought, oh, well, that makes sense because an old sasquatch is gonna have, you know, movement, It's gonna move like a little rickety, a little stooped, and and that that made a little more sense. And then I thought maybe it was there to see this moment with me and this dog, because I'll get to the next story here. Because this dog really had had a thing with Sasquatch, and she's passed since and I miss her. But a lot of weird, weird stuff happened around this dog. So I think now in hindsight, that this being wasn't there to snatch me, but was there

20:56 to maybe witness. And also I had a lot of fear at that time about being, you know, having been by myself and had to like feel defensive and protective. And this dog came from where that Sasquatch lived. So it's also possible that that Sasquatch had been aware of my dog, because my dog was turned loose with the with the sheep in that area and then brought to the shelter. So I thought, oh, I hadn't even kind of thought about this until years ago. Years later, it was like, oh, my gosh, maybe that maybe that sasquatch was you know, uh more familiar with my dog. I don't know. It sounds kind of weird, but but it was also a weird coincidence. So anyways, I finished school.

21:54 I eventually moved out to the oil fields of Cholera, and I work on pipelines and I hike pipelines. I do vegetation surveys and essentially environmental science kind of things for the oil companies and the gas companies out there. And I did have some bizarro experiences, but mostly of like, you know, I'm I'm taking a truck down a road and then I just feel like I'm gonna die if I don't just stop and turn around. I did have this one experience where I went out to help close out a plug and abandoned site that had been restored, and I went out there to take like the final photos.

22:45 So this was outside of Rangely. It was you know, if you're from Rangely. You're very familiar with the big rich that goes all the way from like kind of the Meeker area, follows the White River and then heads over to Douglas Pass. And so I was working, uh in like up on that ridge that connects up with Douglas Pass, and but like way way back in and I was walking out and I felt like something was hunting me. And the natural thought was Mount Mine and I had seen mountainline tracks up there, had seen wolf track, so I just you know, took off my backpack, puffed up my backpack, put my backpack back on, got out my rock hammer was like if this thing, you know, this thing comes at I was ready hike out and looking over my shoulder like so many times, stopped and like did the spin around and nothing was there. And uh, like maybe three weeks later, the guy that's in charge of you know, did I report to the oil company he said, He's like, I noticed you submitted a report for this site. He's like, I thought I told you not to go up to that site. And I was like, oh no, it was on and it was on the list to do. And he's like huh. He goes, did you uh did you have any see anything up there? The the pumpers say

24:17 they they see some weird stuff up there, and I was like, well, you know, funny you mentioned it, and I told him the story I just told you, and then he and my field boss like kind of go white, and they have this like moment of looking at each other, and then the oil company guy goes, We're I'm not going to have you go up there anymore. Nobody's going up there anymore. I was like, well, I'm sure it was just the mountain, I you know, just a mountain, and he's like, nope, not going up there. And nobody's going up there anymore. And I did find out from another story, uh, you know, later down the road that there had been sightings down at my field boss's ranch, which was not far from that spot, but that whole field area burned to the ground sometime ago. But anyways, that was kind of the only notable thing that had happened while I was out in Colorado that like really stands out as being weird. So I finally moved to New York and built a life here. I moved here to get into genetics. Genetics was one of my first passions in biology and genetics microbiology, and so got a wonderful job here, still have this dog. And then as as you know, the pandemic hits, and I was at like ground zero for figuring out how to deal with the pandemic. I had to conduct myself, you know, accordingly.

25:49 So it was you know, very isolating. But at the same time, my my mom was having some health issues that were very serious, and I was very stressed out with my work situation. Then you had like the financial implications everybody's hours getting reduced, and then you have the world going quiet, and I thought, well, this is a good time to start meditating. And I need to back up a little bit before this about a few just a maybe two month or two before the pandemic. Well what I say, before the pandemic hit. The pandemic quote hit for me at a different time than it did for the rest of the United States because my work dealt with people in China. We were partnered in China, so when China was going through the pandemic, it was very much a part of our lives at my work, you know, here in New York. And so for me, we're talking like late fall or winter. So I started going to this meditation group to help manage stress. This was right, you know, before the pandemic quote really hit Jenny and I, Yeah.

27:11 Can we clarify someone in the future isn't going to get this, which is kind of cool to think someone in the future won't get this. But so for most of the world, it was March twenty twenty is how I view it. But when you're saying that for your world, it was fall of twenty nineteen, correct. Yeah it was. And I could be like a little fuzzy on that, but I remember I was at the time, I was guiding at house caverns and that was I want to say, it was like January that I was like, hey, how come we're not wearing masks and everyone's looking at me like I'm Crazykay, So yeah, and we already had our food storage and our surgical masks stored up in January. Yeah, because I know, so I knew what was coming, and we were preparing for it at work because we we you know, we were partnered in China and uh, our mice were going all over the world and just like sidebar, I worked with the mice that were saved basically Trump's but that God got him him, got in those Monoclota antibodies right away. So really, yeah, it's it's I mean

28:45 when I say, like I'm really into genetics, like I, well, I am, like I love it, and and so I of course, like from a mental point of view, I was loving that aspect of pandemic, like I got to you know, scratch every itch in the like bioengineering world of things. But at the same time, it was extremely stressful. So so I so there's the pandemic, right, and there's the lead up to it, but then work started being stressful right prior to this, and so this is this is what. It led me to seek out a group of people that were like minded and into just meditation and relaxation. And I've always had an interest in hypnosis.

29:33 The lady that ran the group was a hypnotist, and so I kind of fell into this community of people that were just really into like mental wellness and and uh, anyway, I thought it was a meditation group. It was basically a group for psychics, like for people to like hone their abilities, learn about or even just experience and be a guinea pig. So I walked into this group like, oh, I'll be you know, I'll be your guinea pig. I'm here for the meditation, stay for the like occasional like hey you're dead, you know, so and so is here visiting you. So you can kind of get that I was in this like mental mindset of meditating and hearing a lot of weird stuff.

30:24 Right big, so society will be right back after these messages. I like hearing weird stuff from other people. And this was just like a meeting a week here, a week there. And then of course as the pandemic started rolling up, Uh, you started here in the the people who are quote unquote psychic start talking about this these big changes coming.

31:07 So anyways, it's I think it's important to set the stage because as a scientist I try I'm trying to look at this from a from a like look at all the facts, right, And part of the dynamic of this, of these experiences I have, was this mental shift at this at this time. And so anyways, where I'm going with this is that it was I want to say it was like November. Uh, it was like October or November. The tree the leaves were down, and I lived. I don't mind sharing exactly where this is because it's kind of mind blowing if you want to google it. I was at the time, I was living on Route twenty in East Greenbush, New York, which is the city like it's not you know, it's suburbs, but you know, I can see the Albany Skyline, you know, right down the street.

32:05 And I lived in an old house from the eighteen hundreds. You know, a lot of the houses in that area where older houses along the old rail line. And there's this apartment complex called green Bush Station, and it's known for being a little bit trashy, like the pumpsters are always overflowing, but other than that though it's it's a very respectable place to live and an otherwise like a semi unaffordable area. The point is is this is there's trees, there's bike trails, there's woods, there's but it's also there's traffic and there's stores and there's commerce. So I worked, I had to be a report of work very early.

32:46 So I was out walking this dog that I was telling you before, Kiva. I was out walking her at eleven o'clock at night and we were, uh, you know, two is down from my house, and we were in front of green Bush Station. They had this big lawn and my dog starts fixating on something that's walking down like the lawn, a green Busch station. There's a there's like this little strip of trees walked under the lamp light the street light, and and so she's fixed at it. But she has got the weirdest look on her face. I'd never seen this look on the dog's face before.

33:27 She was trying to figure out what she was looking at. She was like chuffing, she was going like like that and staring, but her hackles weren't up. She wasn't alerting to something dangerous. It was like, there's something there. I don't know what it is. And so because she was fixating on it, I began to fixate on it. And there was something there. There was an outline. It was big, it was huge. It was a distortion of the air, the best way to put it. And it crossed the street.

34:10 And when it crossed the street, this was it two four lanes at this point, and it across the street to a row of the rows of houses. Right, so there's these like old woods it craftsmen houses that line the street, and there's big trees, like oak trees, and you know, these very old trees. And so I remember thinking it's going to like whatever that is is going to hide behind the tree. And so the thing was is as soon as it got across the street, there was another like the light from the street lamp was now not coming down on it, but coming at it from its side, and immediately a shadow showed up against the white house that it was standing in front of.

35:05 Now it was walking like it like thinking that's the weirdest thing. It was walking with a posture that suggested that it believed I could not see it, like like walking across the street. And then and and I and I saw that. So then I saw that shadow against the house, and it's walking down like walking I wouldn't say on the sidewalk, but like toward that tree that's that's on the sidewalk area or yeah, in front of the house. And then there was this moment when its shadow was cast against the house very clearly. I must have drawn in a breath or something something about my body language change. Its head went up to the eaves of the house. It realized that I could see it, And this is the goofiest thing. It made this like uh, oh shoot posture, like it's stiffened and it's like this, oh shoot. Like the best description I have is like when I was, like when I was about eight years old, my grandfather was changing in my parents' room, and I came up the stairs real fast, and he like scooted behind the door real fast. You know, he had that

36:36 saying like oh shoot, I don't want her to see me kind of look this sasquatch had the same kind of like oh shoot. And because his shoulders kind of came up and stiffened, and and he like scuttled behind this tree. But he was so big and and the shadow was cast against the house was so obvious that he then like scuffle, scurried across the front of the house. And I could see the shadow, and I could see that there was like an outline, like there was light that could not pass through something, and I could see the detail was spectacular. And he then turned left and went in between two houses where there were some bushes, and I and the moment, I mean, also, my dog's following this, right, my dog's head is following mine. And I thought, in that split second, I thought I just saw was that a demon? Like did I just see a demon? That was clearly a shadow shadow being? But that was not would I imagine a shadow being to be.

37:59 But it was such a distinct shadow, and there was definitely something solid there. And I ran home, like you know, I probably jogged, and I got home and I immediately said prayers that whatever that was does not cannot come come to my home. I'm my house is just the next house over, like two houses over. So I also thought, like, okay, I've been going to this group and talking with these people that see things. And I thought, uh uh am I going crazy? No, the dog saw it was that a spirit? No, it was solid. It was solid like it was solid like when a car drives by the light cannot pass through the car and you can still get a gist of what kind of car it is, like it was so clear and I can get I'll give you details in a minute. And anyway, so that happened, and I, you know, I prayed, and I also just didn't know didn't know what it was. So anyway, I hadn't been oh yeah, and I didn't listen to about bigfoot podcasts or anything like that. So this was this really bizarre. I was not like, I was not wow right, yeah. So about

39:33 I will say about a week before I did forget about this. About a week before, I had been in my meditation group and I had we had to do this like box image, this box visualization, and when the box opened, the head of a face of a sasquatch was right in front of mine, and I just thought, oh my gosh, that's you know, I thought, oh, I must be like going for hike soon, like if that makes sense. So like, and I told that other group members like, oh well, I just saw a sasquatch space and I thought that that was just not weird. I didn't think that was weird. I thought it was kind of like cookie and funny, like oh funny, Harry harn Henderson's I love Oregon. Maybe I'm taking a trip to Oregon sooner. I don't know. I hadn't thought too close, too deeply about it and when so when this happened, I wasn't thinking sasquatch. My first thought was like something from the spirit realm. And then I got home and I and I really thought about it, and I was like, wait a minute, that was solid. I had never heard the podcast that talk about the predator. Okay, so we're gonna take us a little bit of a trip down the room here eventually, because I did seek out answers from all all different kinds of places. So so anyways, my first thought was something from the spirit realm, say

41:04 a prayer. Maybe I need to lay off the meditations, like maybe this is gotten you know, too weird? Right. Also, I was at this point doing whim Hoff breathing whim Hoff breath work, and I was trying to manage my own stress, and so I thought, oh, my gosh, like meditation, because I know meditations can cause like certain neurotransmitters to be released in the brain. So I thought, you know, I went down this road right like, is it me? Is it? The meditation? Is that the neurotransmitters all right?

41:45 So that that so that thing happened. It was about two nights later. I'm in my apartment and my apartment is on the second floor, but behind my apartment the ground is is like a hillside right, it comes up closer to one of my back windows, and I had my windows open, and I'm sitting on the bed. I don't think I was meditating, but I was like relaxing before bed, and my dog was in the room with me, and she starts growling at the window opposite me, and then her nose and her growling follows the wall as if there was It was the craziest thing. It's like she could see or smell something through the wall, and she followed the wall and then made the corner came toward that. Now she's following the wall and she's walking toward me, toward that open window with her nose to the wall, growling, And I hear what sounds like a very large man walking along the house and stopping right under my bedroom window. And I hear the leaves crunch, there's these like little sticks. There's a little bit of like glass and garbage there. So my first thought was bear right, like, there must be a bear. I look out,

43:20 but I have a flashlight. I shine it out my window. But I'm also a little bit scared to like stick my head out the window and look around at all angles. So I just feure, well, I don't see a bear. I don't hear a bear. I don't smell a bear. I grew up around yard bears in Connecticut, and I and there was no more stompy sound. So I settled back on my bed, and then I hear the shift of weight, like from one foot to another under the window. And now I'm like, what the heck Like that is big, it's bipedal. It's under my bedroom window, and I can't I don't see anything. But I again, I'm too scared to like, you know, I don't know be within grabbing this stance. So so I think I closed the window at that point and was creeped out. But I was like, all right, well, you know, lightning lightning strikes once I hadn't quite connected it to the weird thing I saw seen the other day or the other day, a couple of days before this. So then another few days go by and the same thing happens again right to my bedroom window. This time I had had some time to mentally prepare, and I had my big bag light and

44:51 I shined the light all around the outside and I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything. And yet when I turn the light off, you know, went back and you know, put my head back in the in the room, they had these screens that slid up and down like really old school. I heard the footsteps walk away. It's like, what the heck? Okay, so that was weird. Big for society. Will be right back after these messages.

45:41 And now I did start listening to podcasts. It was about a month later. At this point I should probably describe to you what I saw on the house absolutely okay, So what I saw its head went to the bottom of the roof eaves and at the time, and this is what I'm realizing, this is what this is the magic of these beings. And also our brains, our brains cannot fully wrap our head around their side, like it's the perspective and the distortion. They seem to understand this.

46:22 I knew it was big. I did not understand it was ten like how giant big, like maybe ten feet tall. It was until about six months later I saw somebody walking on that same sidewalk at that same time of night. It was just like some guy walking home, and he was so small. His shadow was so small compared to what I saw, like not even not even close. And I was like, oh my god, what I saw was enormous. It's the hands went below the knees. It was so so muscular, I could make out the definition in like that that lump of calf muscle in the shadow. It's were really narrow, like the like the joints were so much smaller than the than the bulk of the muscle.

47:20 His thighs were so thick and strong type tape, the small waist. The shoulders were big and broad. But the arms are what freaked me out. It was the arms in the hands that jumped in my head and was like demon because the fingers were so long and they were not not draggy but like not limp, but like hanging toward the ground. And when he ran, his elbows are not ran but like scuttled. His elbows were bent, but his wrists were like his elbows were slightly bent, but his wrists were distinctively like hanging and you know how they say like hands like Catcher's mits. The hands were so big. The he was leaning forward. His head was hard to tell the shape with the shadow, but rounded and like like you hear no neck like it didn't there was not like any discernible neck in the shadow.

48:36 And but you could see in the body language is like stiffened and then like hustled and did like he did like a little like oh like a little like a little jump, like a little what do you call it, you know, when you kind of stiffen up jump and uh startle. That's the word I'm looking for, Like did a little jumpy startle. It was so big and okay, so obviously now there's been a few things in this timeframe. Now the world is deeper into the situation, right, and I am there's no more meditation group. The meditation group was shut down, like oh gosh, I mean I think it was me that told them, uh, like, hey guys, this is this is serious, Like you know, because the group I was in you have your like anti podos, like no, no, guy is like seriously like this is this is really a thing, this thing in China, it's coming here. And so now the world's gone quiet, and I've decided that I want to buy a home or property.

49:53 And I find this amazing property that I'm in love with just down the road. I'm going to describe it to people because they want to google it. It's on Maple Avenue. It's in Kodak and it's there's a big hunting preserve and there's this old old power line route that was going from Maple Avenue to and Lane and now it's a big hunting area. And I wanted to buy that parcel, that four acre parcel, And so I went out there and I was taking pictures and I so my dog is in the car parked out on Maple Lane, and I'm with my phone in hand taking photos of the vegetation and the springs on this parcel of land. And again we're talking mindset. My mind was so full of love for this property and the possibilities and the plants there, and the old tree forts that the kids, the prior owners kids had there. I was just in this state of just bliz. I was blissed out, you know. I was in my helmet looking at the plants, and I look up and leaning out from behind a tree was the best description would be Harry Harry and the Henderson's. Harry from Harry and the Henderson's read like a a like orangutang but maybe a little darker. And he leaned out from behind a tree and like made

51:26 sure I saw him, and then kind of like leaned back behind the tree. And what went through my head and that moment was you are magnificent. It was such awe and joy and I laughed. I laughed of just absolute joy. I don't know if it was relief that like that thing that I had seen wasn't a demon that the foots outside my window or a stalker. It was just like the relief and the joy and the like they're they're real. There's one right there in front of me.

52:13 And it was about, I'm gonna say, about forty feet away, and I was holding a phone on camera in my hand, and it never crossed my mind to take a photo, Like didn't even cross my mind. I did go back into the photos that I'd taken to the property, like hoping there was like a little peak behind a tree or something, and I didn't see anything. So that was that experience opened opened the floodgates. So so to this day when I like, I've gone to zoos obviously since and I seen a rangu pang, I had just set this visceral reaction like like they are they It was so much like an orangutang. And the color and the hair texture, the length of the arms, the that kind of flat expression where you like can't really tell they're thinking, the the kind of fleshy, fleshy eyebrow.

53:24 But this was like the conical head. It was well, and I will tell you I cannot say it was the one that was seen under the street light, but that just seems like a logical conclusion. And I'm going to jump ahead now and there's there's many more stories, but to kind of stick with this individual. Obviously, when I saw it in the flesh like that, uh, it was you know, paradigm changing. Like I'm I'm a scientist, I'm a biologist of field, biologist of geneticist. Now I'm like, where'd those genes come from? Which family lineage? What is it?

54:16 Why is it here? It's here? Why is it discovered? So then I started going down the rabbit hole of with the podcast and such. So anyway, so jumping forward, you obviously or I would obviously think like I can't. That was just unbelievable, Like did that really happen? How could that happen? Now? I had other experiences in the years to come, but over that time, every now and then I would get a little blip of mind speak, which I believe is from this being, and it did not feel directed at me. It felt directed at my dog.

54:56 And so so here's a good example of this of an interaction with my dog. Another time. This was after I saw one saw this being. It was maybe another a week or so later. I sorry, I realize I'm jumping around. It's like all the memories just come like hushing forward. I'm walking my dog along Route twenty right at a green Bush station. It's about five in the morning. Now at this point I want to say, it's whatever. It is like a beautiful morning, and I was walking with my eyes closed because I could do that with this German shepherd I had. And I was just kind of meandering on the sidewalk and enjoying the breeze and the amazing day. And I opened my eyes for a moment because I know I'm approaching Green Bush Station, the little plash across and I look down and I see, I can't a crushed mountain dew can. It's crushed. It's sitting on the sidewalk and it's sitting on the sidewalk at the edge of the driveway into Green Bush Station.

56:04 And I thought, oh, I need to pick that up on my way back. And my dog all of this, and then I closed my eyes again, and my dog kind of pulls on the leash a little bit. I could feel her pull on the leash, and that can sounds like it gets kicked, punted, kicked, like by a kid kicking it, and it gets kicked, scoots along the pavement a pill a pill toward Green Bus Station, right past me and my dog, and I just like, what, what the heck just happened? And I and so I opened my eyes and I'm not thinking like something paranormal happened.

56:49 I'm thinking somebody just snuck up. A person just saw me with my eyes closed at five in the morning on a city street and snuck up behind me and and my dog pulling might have been her like lunging at them. But when I opened my eyes. Now the can is up the little hill drive and my dog is got her tongue out happy, like huh, let's play. It's something that I cannot see, that's like between the dog and the mountain dew can and gosh. It was probably like another like two weeks later when I really started just being like, well, let's just see how far this paranormal situation is going to go. I got an extended leash and I would go out to Greenbush Station on that green lawn at like ten or eleven o'clock at night when I was letting her out, and she would play with something that I couldn't see, like play like I don't know if you've ever seen a person hold a stick and like the dog like like kind of jumps up to grab the stick and lands and jumps up and grabs the stick to land and bow like.

58:00 She would playbow at something in front of her at the end of the leash, and I would just feel like, okay, like this is this is happening right now, but it's not menacing, and uh, you know, I don't know. I just went with it. So so then it was like another period of time. I'm so like clearly something's interacting with my dog. And so there's another period of time I'm driving on the main highway, I think it's ninety and I'm heading up to Miller Road and I feel this. This was like one of the one of the early times of mine speak is I felt this crushing sadness. Crushing.

58:48 It was, uh like when somebody dies, when you feel like like the absence of something, and I just started crying. I was like, oh, I came out of blue. And then I heard in my head, I'm going to miss you. And my dog died. I saw this being one more time, and my dog died about a week after that, and so it was kind of I didn't feel like that was meant for me. I felt like I kind of like intercepted an interaction, if that makes any sense anyway.

59:30 So I'll share the last time I saw this being. It was an unusual situation. But first I need to get to the WU part because I think that this will be a clue for us as a community to help get some answers. When I say I was at the end of my rope, I mean obviously between COVID and work, stress and meditation and shut down and not being able to see my parents because of their health issues and my sequestration for work. I was like, I need to check on my own mental health and just to make sure I'm not imagining this situation. And one of the people in that meditation group that I that I met was this man named David Lewis, and he's a he's I say was because he passed Oh gosh, I think it's been about two years, two years now, but he used to go to this group and he used to do uh. He was an animal communicator and that sounds crazy, right, But when he met me, he described a different German shepherd I had had like to a tea and and then I showed him a picture of my Kiva and he described her personality and her works and her weirdness and the use of situations she

1:01:01 had before me. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Describe that to a te So when she got sick, she was wait, I'd back up, was she sick at this time? She wasn't sick at this time when when I had started having these experiences and really wanted to understand them better because there were some other things that happened was well outside of my neighborhood. I called David Lewis and I said, I am not looking for any kind of like reading for me. I want you to tell me what my dog saw that night as I was walking uh at night. And here's here's what he described. Dude.

1:02:08 He goes, oh my god, that's a sess watch. I was like, you know, can you describe it? He described it and I told you about the body shape and the size, and he said and I asked him, I said, have you ever seen any of any of this through an animal before? And he goes, no, this is a first for me. This is this is something new. And I was like, well, I don't understand, like you know, I need more detail. So what he said is that it looked see through but not see through, almost misty.

1:02:49 That it was solid, but yet it my dog could almost like see through it. So there was something about it that was picking picking up from the environment around it that it was not aware. It truly was like walking across the street as if neither me nor the dog could really see it. And then when the dog round it kind of got its attention or like huffed and looked at it. It kind of got his attention. He's it still was walking across the street as if I couldn't see it, and then then it could tell that I could see it, and then it ran behind the house. But it was this like solid but not solid nature is really kind of what was blowing my mind there. So again I apologize for jumping around. I'm gonna so so that gave me some clues. I was like, because I was like, well, what am I dealing with?

1:04:00 An earth bound being, a spirit, a spirit of a caveman, a sasquatch, like, what are we dealing with here? And David's take was that it was something that was earthbound and could be a spirit at this point or transitioning, like something that maybe lives way longer than we can wrap our heads around. And we talked a little bit about it, but ultimately he's like, I don't know, Like I don't know. I can just tell you what the what I see through the dog's eyes. And then also he confirmed that yes, it was playing with my dog and it was friends with my dog and fast so here's where I fast forward. So we're gonna that was like twenty nineteen twenty twe at twenty, I bought a piece of property on the west side of the Hudson River.

1:05:08 It's the property I'm sitting on right now. And immediately, like day one, I got hit by with a walnut skimming across my head. And I'll tell you about that in a minute, if there's time. But I'm on a property where I have and or I just had another interaction with them a couple of days ago. I hear them, I've heard a female. We they're my forte They're my neighbors. That's kind of how I get through. That's how I walk out my door in the middle of the night as I just like, they're my neighbors. They live on their land. I live on my land. But the point is is immediately the interaction started happening with my dog.

1:05:51 And again it was like the line with the dog. So I when I started clearing the land here and things were happening with the tree pushes, and the tree pushes were getting really scary and I didn't know what that intent was, and my dog was trying to protect me from something and the bushes. I called David Lewis again, and this was I think this was the last time I spoke with him and then he died. I can't remember how many months later, but not you know, he died like shortly thereafter. But he said that he could see that that yes, they were sasquatches. Again, he was amazed.

1:06:41 He's like, I you know, this isn't then not something I usually see. Because I asked him, I was like, well, now that you know that this is a thing, had you seen them with other animals? And he said, just with just with my pets and like my cat and my or my cat at my parents' house stuff like that. So anyways, so here's what he said. He uh, the dog sees my dog. Kiva said that they move like cats, that they're very what's the word, he said, very shy. He said, they're very shy. They move very fast, they move like cats. They don't like it when I build a fire, because at that time I was building a fire and burning brushes. They don't like it. That makes them very nervous, and they come around and they get very close and they're just making sure I don't start.

1:07:35 I don't start. I don't think you said forest fire, but whatever whatever that discrete that was the gist. Don't start a fire. But they're very curious that they like that I'm here, and they like Kiva, but Kiva gets nervous because they get very close to me. They get very close to me, and I can't you know, I'm not I'm not aware of them being that close to me. Uh. And then I never got to talk with David after when even more activity happened, because that was very early on to the property. But my point of sharing this is that I think animal communicators are a tool that we can use. And I know that sounds really out there, but I will I do think that there is a scientific explanation for much of the paranormal reports that we have about what sasquatch does. And so for this I'll submit this anecdote is I carry some autistic traits and most of you know, I managed manage them pretty well. Uh.

1:08:53 I'm blessed to be very good at science and and what I do need to like manage my nervous system. And I was that kid that I would sleep outside even as a teenager because I'd get overwhelmed with stimulus. So living out in the wilderness was my jam and loved it. And so that's one of the reasons why meditation works so good for me. I got damage in my eyes and the shingles, and I started doing these meditations to focus on healing my eyes because I would get these terrible, terrible headaches. And during that time period I was doing those meditations, I would sometimes wake up.

1:09:44 It didn't have all the time. I'd wake up in the morning and sit up in bed with my eyes still closed, and I would see the bird song as squiggle lines. I would see sound, and it happens occasionally. It just happen in me a couple of days ago. It looks like, uh, the Daredevil, like that show Daredevil where you see see like an image come out of the darkness and that it fades away, and that I experienced this. Sometimes there's also like a group of people, like if I suddenly went blind, I could go to a camp where there's actually people on this planet that use like a sonar, like a like smack sticks together and it clicks with their tongue. Their brain can interpret sound as image, and this is something humans can do.

1:10:43 And I think, I just this is a thought. I think that we should be as a community enlisting people with these abilities to help us better interpret owned data. And I think that this is what some of mine speak is. I think that we have some innate abilities as human beings that we just aren't in touch with. But these beings, because they live in this natural environment, are and and every now and then my brain kind of intersects, right, intersects with this this concept. I forget what kind of set me down this road, but I did.

1:11:33 I did. I have had some experiences over the coming years, so which are accompany some of these sightings. I feel like I'm getting a little off track here, but the point. Is I don't I'm sorry. I just had a thought and I don't want to lose it. Yeah, do you think being around these creatures unlocks than a certain skill or part of the brain. Oh, I'm glad you asked this question. When I have experiences with them that are like, well, I'll get like an image or a sound, I am usually in a very relaxed state. So honestly, I think it's about unplugging and relaxing and being in a state that is just more conducive to allowing the messages to come. So did that answer your question?

1:12:38 Are you so you're talking about a state like you're just about ready to go to sleep, or maybe you're driving down the road and it's a very like boring stretch of road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, or like I'm walking just the wo Yeah. I would say it's like my attention is on something more simple then worrying about my bills and the work stress or solving a work problem. It's just more the brain isn't just that more in a moment, Like you're just in the in the moment and not worried about what's happening, you know tomorrow at work and what am I gonna wear, what I'm gonna pack for LUNCHI And I'm going to solve that work problem, and yeah, are there's some about the brain state, although I have had experiences where I was kind of like going about my business. So again this is like really jumping ahead, but it's usually not in a state of like anger, frustration, stress, these happier episodes, I would say, in a more meditative, more meditative state. And so I just I think this is just hypothesis that being in those states allows our body to utilize biological mechanisms that

1:14:10 we don't typically access. And some people, like people with aspects of autism, or neuroivergence, or even just you know, what might be called a gift is that they're just able to access access that more readily. They're neurons are more connect like, have established pathways to better interpret that environmental stimulus. And I think that this accounts for a lot of experiences. And like I said, I think this is something that the community can enlist. And as a scientist, I focus on the testability and repeatability of experiences. I think that is why, you know, I think that's why researchers do research. But as far as like the WU aspect and the high strangeness, if the high strangeness is repeatable, well we really got to take a look at that as a possible data point if it's repeatable. So like, here's repeatable repeatable. If I come out to my property and this is when I was clearing the land, and I'm like, uh, pat, every night I pack up my car and I haven't tossed the snickers up into the woods.

1:15:37 A tree falls at the edge of my property. Several experiences down the line, I started gifting and what I gifted was little mini snickers, And so I would come out to my property and not wanting because I was getting tree pushes and scary things. So I thought, well, maybe if I gave them treats, they would stop scaring me. So I would toss snickers up into this area, which was where I first got zinged with a walnut from. I thought, okay, well he stands up there, or it stands up there, so I know that he can access. So I toss up a stickers bar. Well, over time, I just forget to leave a snickers, you know what I mean. Like I get out to the property, I start my fire, I get working, and then I start packing up the car to go home, and a tree.

1:16:31 Falls big for society will be right back. After these messages, there's a tree push, and it's always like at the edge of my property boundary. And so then I started saying like, okay, you know, I promise I won't forget. And then sometimes I would forget and I would be like packing up the car and now I'm about to get in the car and turn the key, and there's a tree push, like, hey, you forgot your fit, you forgot the thing?

1:17:24 How many times happened? So many happened, so many times. So I used to come out like every every weekday, like Friday night, Saturday night, and so it would be every time. So when I came out here, it happened the first time I came out to the property with the dog. So when the dog got my dog was dying, and I thought it was the end. And I didn't want her to die without setting fit at the property. But my clothing was in a few days. So I brought her out here one Sunday night and I, you know, put on the leash, got out of the car and said like at this point, I've had experiences other places, but I hadn't had an experience at this place. And I said, hey, I and she yelled out to the forest. I was like, hey, I don't know if you're here, but I have this dog.

1:18:25 She's very sick. She can see you. I can't, but she can see you. Please don't hurt her, like she's very sick. I'm just I just have her here to see the property. Maybe we'll be back, maybe we won't, but you know, we're not here to cause any problems. But this is where my home is going to be, you know, but please please please don't hurt her. Finish those like the sentence is just done out of my lips, and about two hundred feet away, a big tree goes across the road so that I can't drive down the rest of the road. And I thought, oh, that was weird.

1:19:13 But I had never experienced the tree push before, so it was just one thing. It was like, oh, that was that was weird, like right at the end of that sentence. But then in like every time I came out after that, in fact, this one, Oh, I'll tell you this, this is great. This is a great story we had. So I bought the property and there's a lot of dead there's a lot of dead trees here. The trees that were falling falling were not on the property where I was building the house and cutting the trees. They were around the edges of the property, as if something couldn't step foot on the property. But it was knocking trees over all all around the edge. And so I came out here to cut trees and brought my chainsaw.

1:20:00 And there's this big cotton a tree and there's this huge cold limbage. You know about conwoos. They shed the shed the logs or the branches, and I thought, oh, gosh, that branch is that branch has gotta be the first first thing that you know, comes down, uh, after we get the other tree, the other trees. And so I said that I was I said it out loud, like I was talking, you know, just talking to myself. And then I went to my car. I had to go, I think, grab a bucket of water from the Hudson. Come back. I literally took one step onto the property and it crashes to the ground. And I thought I must have this weird sixth sense about trees about to fall.

1:20:50 But then this kept happening, like over and over. My dad and I were my dad and I were standing there with our chainsaws, and there's this tree that was about six inches wide. It was like three feet away. My dad says, oh, Jenny, do you want that tree down? And I was like, well, let's let's leave it there. I'll leave that's future firewood, Like that'll still be up there for a few years as future firewood. Turn my back, it falls, like falls right over. It was just like weird stuff like that would happen. So another when I first got the property, I you know, pulled up and was like, oh my god, there's so many trees that have to come down, and so I said out loud.

1:21:37 I said, okay, guys, like, if you want me to live here, I'm gonna need some help with these trees. You know, if you want me to live hereund I need some help with these trees. Hah like kind of chucky like hah. The next day I came out with my dad, was meeting my dad out there with the chainsaws. Every tree, every tree that was dead and dying where the house footprint was is was down. And it wasn't just they were on the ground. They had all fallen, in some cases against the natural gravity, crisscrossed in the exact perfect formation that my dad and I needed it to cut those trees down with the chainsaw safely, every one of them. And so when my dad pulled up on the property, he goes, oh my god. I hadn't told him the request to the forest people. He pulled up, he goes, Oh my gosh. They're all perfect. They've all fallen, perfect, all of them. I said, dead. Those all fell this week.

1:22:51 Okay, so that's wild. When it fell. When they fell, did they make shapes on the ground. Did oh make Oh I don't know, you know this. Is so I get it right, Yeah, yeah, but they were crisscrossed like in the air, so when you cut them with the chainsaw right so like you want to cut them standing. That's that's what was so wild is nothing was laying on the ground. Everything was crisscrossed so that you could come in with the chainsaw and zing them off and cut them in section safely. Okay, just like how.

1:23:32 Dad and I would have done it if it was if it was us, so I have it. It was so crazy. I've never seen a tree structure, never seen one so weird. So where the trees like broken off at a certain height or like they were not cut they were broken off. It sounds like the whole. Tree was down, including the roof ball. Oh really yeah, these are keys like uh yeah, big trees some of there were some that were broken, but they were smaller. They were they were smaller like my dad and I could have broken if we had to come along. We pulled it down hard enough.

1:24:19 Sorry, were any broken off and upside down or like we're any nothing weird like that. No, it was more about what are the odds that every tree we needed to come down? Yeah, came down in like three to four days with no storms. There were no storms, no wind. It was just like a normal August day like today. So I don't know. It was wow. I know. And since since we're on the topic of this property, I realized I kind of jumped away from the East Green Bush guy. But I'll check back up a bit. Is the day I came out so purchased the There was a day I came out with the dog that was sick, and then there was the closing, and then I came out a few days later with to do the very first work on the property, like clip snipping and clipping and taking video. So I go over, I just using the weed web. My dog is in the car and she she is staying. So I come up to the car, which is along the roadside, and she's got her favorite window. She's in her non favorite window.

1:25:46 Her head is her body is out this window as far as it can go, and she is standing on an axe, a weed whip like bladed things like things a dog doesn't stand on. She's very intent sticking her head out this window and she's staring at the at the brushy sumaki. You know, young, You know when they trim trim the side of the road, you get like weedy species, brushy species coming up and there's power lines and she's staring and I walk around the back of the car. I'm like, huh, that's weird. What are you Why are you out that window? What are you staring at? Not thinking sasquatch, none of that, just like wonder what caught your eye? And she's staring at it. And I walked to the front of the car to wrap, to fold up a tarp, so random fold up a tarp, and I feel across the top of my head. Uh, Like it kind of felt like a golf ball, like as if a golf ball skimmed off, skimmed across those little baby hairs sticking out the top of your head.

1:26:53 So it didn't hurt me, but I could feel it skim and it it's coming across my head, the top of the head. It hits a walnut tree in front of me. But in front of that walnut tree in front of me is a little it's just a tree of heaven. And they're like, you know, six inches, and so it hits the bigger tree, hits the smaller tree, hits the bigger tree hits a smaller tree like a pinball, bing bing bing bing bing, and it rolls to my feet and I look down, thinking it's like a golf ball and some kid is side armed a golf ball at me from across the road, because that's the sound, the feeling, and it's a walnut. And I pick up the walnut and I sent a picture on one of our one of our email exchanges. It's it's the most beautiful walnut you've ever seen. It's it's not cut, it's obviously chewed on two sides so that both sides they're symmetrical, so got a pattern to it. I've never seen anything like it. And I pick it up and I just start laughing. I'm and then I turn around because I thought somebody's throwing something at me, and I see Kiva staring at the woods, not growling, just doing that thing, and I'm like and I waved. I was like, oh,

1:28:26 I guess, I guess you guys are here. And I tossed uh. I was like, well, what can I throw back? I found like a little peppermint I had like my tonic in my in my glove box and tossed it up into the woods. And it was something bizarre like that happened almost every time I've been out here. I came out here to clear the lamp. There were too the tree pushes, and the tree pushes were getting scary so late summer, I said, hey, guys, like you're scaring me.

1:29:08 And and when I speak to them, I it sounds kind of crazy. I It's like I speak with my heart, like imagine almost like a mouth coming from my heart. So I'm like projecting my thoughts and I'm speaking and I say, hey, I'm sorry, but I have my biology kind of takes over and I get these scare feelings and I freeze up when you push the trees over. But I know you want to tell me you're here, and I know you want to remind me the lady treat. But can you leave? Or can you? I say, can you make the sound of an owl, but make it sound fake so I know it's you? And it was like maybe too too trips out. After that, I'm at my property and I hear it sounded just like two men down in the woods, but big men, and they went who who hoo who like out like the worst barred owl imitation you ever heard? You? Right, yeah, said it out loud, And so now it was like, are there homeless people like down in the woods, And then so there was who who who? And then another one

1:30:39 that was further down down the road and goes whooo. I was like, oh, all right, And there hasn't been a tree push since, not a single tree push since, and a whole other summer passed. I haven't had any tree falls. So it's like the totality of the circumstances if trees kept falling here and I've lived here now this time. Yes, we have had trees come down in storms, but the trees that were coming down was like, you know, calm, quiet, night. Beg so society will be right back after these messages.

1:31:30 And weirdly, when I'm putting tools in the car at the end of the summer, so I suspected that maybe they would be leaving at the end of the first summer, I suspected they might leave in the fall. I mean again biologists looking around seeing the edible plants go by the wayside, knowing that the apple season was through, I was okay, oh sorry, I'm just set the stage here. I mentioned a few things earlier in the discussion, like I did field work and I looked for fossils, and so I fossil hunting is like my little, my little fun hobby that I do, and I travel. I'll go all over the country to do a fossil dig. And when I was in college, there were some very specific fossils that I studied because they were indicator indicator fossils.

1:32:27 And so this place that I built my house, it is on the kind of limestone that I studied in college. Was just kind of neat kind of things coming around full circle. I'm also like caver, it's cave forming limestone. So I should mention that I live along power lines on cave forming limestone at the confluence of two big rivers at the cemetery across the street. Like it's just kind of funny that I wasn't like a bigfooter and then this kind of happened. But anyways, so I'm in the fossils. So it's the end of the summer, and I'm thinking, I wonder how they're going to let me know that they're not here, because I'm tossing apples and things like this up into the woods. But I don't want to waste food and I definitely don't want to encourage you know, wildlife coming to my coming, you know, a bay or something like that coming to me while I'm here burning brush all winter. And so I'm down.

1:33:29 I'm building a drainage ditch and I'm setting up to something called rip raps. I'm setting up these like rock dams and things like that to control the water. And there's a there's a clear deer path that goes down to this creek that I'm manipulating, and it's you know, it's a deer path, right, it's worn down, and I bent over placing rocks. I stand up, I'm like, okay, done for the day. Walk up the deer path, and in the middle of the path is this big rock about the maybe like wider than a basketball. It's sick.

1:34:10 It's a thick limestone punk, but it's got all the layers in the stratigoraphy in it, which is very different from the rock on my property. And I know this because I'm into fossils and I am looking at every rock. So from their perspective, they see me bending over picking a box and looking at them all day long because I'm looking for fossils. But when I get this rock, and I saw it from a distance, it like jumped out at me. Immediately. I was like, oh, oh my god, where'd that come from? You know, having that freaky moment when like something appears in the trail and you don't know how it got there and it's just been like minutes since you were facing that direction. And I approach it and I'm like, oh my god, that's a that's a good one. That's a good woman's fossils in it, and I, uh, you know, I'm examining it and I look a little closely, and it's got the in these very specific indicator fossils that I studied in college. Oh, Like I drew a picture in college of this, and that picture is now like that's exactly what this rock looked like. I was like, oh my gosh, like they took a snapshot of my brain, went and found that rock.

1:35:32 Like I knew where that rock came from. It came from up on thatcher, because that's where I studied. I studied those rocks in college. I was like, that does not come from here. That came from up a thatcher. And and then I remembered that about maybe like a week earlier. I there was a smaller version of this that was again in the middle of the trail, and I didn't look very close at it. I set it aside. I was like, it was like getting dark or something. I was like, oh, that could be a good fossil rock. That's that looks out of place, that's weird. And I picked it up and I set it aside. I didn't look harder. So it was almost like they were like here and I'm like, hey, dummy, you didn't look hard enough at the little one, so here's a really big one that you yet literally have to step over. And I just that just blew my mind. And then I didn't have any Then it was all quiet here until till uh oh, there was an there was sorry, there was an incidence before this rock thing in the trail, but yeah, it was all quiet here the next year.

1:36:46 So it was almost like a parting gift, like we're not gonna interact, you know, I don't know. I don't want to put anything on it, but it just seemed significant to the Before the end of the summer, I was then I had a very large fire pit, had. The area cleared all. Around for probably about fifteen feet all around my fire pit. It was grassy. Then there had been all these weird things happening, and like my dog like trying to push me away from the brush and things like that. So I cleared out brush on the fire pit because it was getting creepy and I was so I had made this habit of when the coals died down, I would just stan the coals and let it go down to ash and just enjoy the quiet of the night and look up at the stars. So it was in that moment I'm standing at the edge of the fire pit.

1:37:47 I think I was leaning on my shovel or a rake or something. And this was after the request to sound like an owl. I something went like this in my face. It went who like that right in my face, and it had a sound distortion to it like you would hear from a you know, the classic train example. So it was like strong in my face and then trailed like something was moving very fast past my face when it did it, and obviously my dog freaked. My dog was like whoa, you know, And but was so wild, Wilder than the who in my face of of something male was the smell. There was this waft on the air, like if somebody was running past you. There's like a wind and it smelled like skunk and wet dog.

1:38:53 I was like, no, freaking way, that is exactly what it smells like. Smells like a mixture of skunk and wet dog with a hint of sweetness. And that sweetness was not unpleasant. And I remember thinking, like, you guys, don't smell bad, Like, yeah, wet dog had no big deal. Skunk smelled that before, and that sweetness was an interesting little mix in there. But that was also one of the last things that happened before the end of that that season, if you will, and it stunned me so much that I didn't make the owl connection. For gosh. It was like a month later, Like anytime these things happens, I'm a little bit stupefied, like I can't believe that really happened, like that that was that really was a thing, And and now I'm just in awe. And so I'll fast forward a little bit.

1:39:53 This was, oh gosh, maybe like a month ago. I was thinking like, oh gosh, I haven't had any weird experience, it says, you know, thank God, Like I was like cause I was getting not scared, but like that trepidation of like all right, I'm getting ready to move out here, the house is on the property. What's this going to be? Like? Like, am I going to have bangs on the house? Like am I? Like? What's going to happen? And but nothing, nothing was happening. There was you know, no high strangeness, no no owl noises, no tree pushes, nothing moved, no, you know, you get you get the picture. So I wasn't even thinking about my my neighbors. And uh so I I'm getting into my car, like in and out of my car taking shovels out or something, and I hear who from up in the woods by the cemetery, which is like, you know, I want to say it's across the street, but we're talking like up the hill, so there's some distance to it. And it was a female.

1:41:00 I was like, no way, I've never heard a female. That was really freaking cool. It sounded just like if a big woman was up in the woods, like goofing around and making a who sound, to the to the point where my first thought in my head was what is some lady doing? What's some lady doing up there on the land preserve Like that makes no sense. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on with your land? Uh, it's there's something wild that's going on there. Yeah, yeah, the latest, the latest thing. And I feel like I could be you know, I feel like I could be reading into this. But again, it's like the totality of the circumstances. You know, I've I've oh gosh, I've I've had all the experiences with other of these sasquatches that I've seen. So I haven't even told you all the all the ones that I've seen at this point.

1:42:05 I'm not saying that it's a lot, but I have seen. I had an experience where I saw one put Prest's face to the window, not at my house, and then I had another experience at Mammoth Cave. I had another experience in Colorado. So at this point this so you know, we're talking, it's been like three four years now. Now I'm getting more accustomed to it and able to fight down the the fear and uh. But so, so this happened, and now I have to wonder like, oh, were they were they kind of helping me out there? So my car broke down a few days ago and my dad left me his car. There's something going the tires go flat fairly quick. So I was and I'm working at night, and so having this car functioning before I go to bed was really really important. And I just moved in my house a week ago, and so I should also add I'm having a hornet problem, so being out, you know, I don't want to be moving around in the middle of the night around these hornets that are drawn to my headlamp. So I'm like, what are we gonna do with this car? My dad helps me find his pump.

1:43:25 The point is is there's a lot of preparation. I'm out in the driveway. I have the car doors open, and I'm like, oh, I gotta get the battery for the pump. And so come into the house and I'm exhausted. It's time for me to go to bed, and I'm not thinking straight and I forget and so I go in, I make my sandwich, I let the dogs out. I'm about to bring the dogs in through out on the deck, and I can see through the kitchen window or through the living room windows that the dogs are fixated on something at the end of my driveway, and I hear and I had always wondered what the sasquatch bark is with my dogs, because with Kiva, it was like a minute, if I'm for her, if a man was running by, like jogger, she had this very specific bark and she and she did that. I knew one was coming, and I've got a really fantastic story about that and tree notps.

1:44:28 I've gotta I've gotta tell you that one. But so in the back of my mind, I had wondered, well, what's going to be the sasquatch bark with my dogs? So Kiva died. Sorry, I'm a little bit of backstory. Kiva died, and I was scared to live out here without dog protection. And I got my first dog and she was only forty pounds. I got another dog. She's sixty pounds and eight months old, this giant German shepherd. And so so anyway, I'm like, what's what's their sasquatch bark? And a sound like, well, I think I heard so. So there. So they're they're toughing and barking, and I'm thinking there's somebody standing at the end of my driveway because they're fixated.

1:45:10 And I'm like, what jerk is like looking at at my wind? You know, looking at it, trying to look at my windows from the driveway, and I walk out on my deck and I could tell that, you know, and you have a sense that there was just something there, that it was totally still. The tree limbs were waving back and forth, probably to about eight feet up into the air, as if something big just went from you know, the end of my driveway up into the woods. And but the thing is is the dogs didn't do the deer bark or the bear bark or the dog bark.

1:45:54 They did the person bark. Big for society will be right back after these messages. And so you know, you don't think sasquatch, you think there's a person there. But then I got thinking about the totality of the situation, which was a wait a minute, there's a huge ditch on the other side of that road, and then the hillside goes straight up and not straight up, but like those hard embankments that I would have to climb, you know, hand over foot, you know, like kids do, you know, up up the side of hill. And it's like, there's just no way I was a person. I was like, and why would a bear do that? There's a game trail to the right and to the left, and so this is spinning through my head. And then while this is spitting through my head, I noticed I left the car doors open, the head the light, and the cars on to the two flat tires like and I'm literally I was. I was getting ready to pull the dogs into the house and I just waved my I told the dogs. I said, hey, they're okay, it's okay. The dogs stopped barking. I just waved and said, thank you,

1:47:26 thank you so much, took care of my car and went in. And I thought, oh, I'm really glad I left them three snickers up in the woods the day before. So yes, it could have been anything. But it's the totality of the circumstances, it's the coincidences, it's the I have to just you know, I figure i'd rather thank my good neighbors than than not thank them. And you know what I mean, Like, I'd rather be my imagination and I and I'm thanking them. I reached out with my mom and said, look, I will leave the curtains open for you. You can watch me when I'm sleeping.

1:48:07 You can see through the windows that I'm cooking. You can you know, I'm okay with you watching me, but I just don't ever want to wake up in the mid of the night and look out the window and see a face staring at me. I'm not ready to see your face. And that's kind of where we're at. And like maybe someday I will be ready to see them, but at this point, it seems like there's been great care not to scare me. And I don't want to be one of those people that my ego jumps in and say like I'm special or I have a message. I'm just living peacefully with something. And since that twenty nineteen experience, I have had other paranormal experiences I didn't even tell, Like, it's not just it's not justin twenty nineteen.

1:49:05 It's been a lot of my life. But I just never recognize things in that way. Like I used to live by I used to work by Skinwalker Ranch. You know, saw a lot of things out there. You know, I have friends that had sasquatch stories. It's just since about twenty nineteen, I've started just maybe recognizing things as okay. With my science background, there's some things that I don't understand that we don't understand yet. But I can try to understand, I can test, I can look for repeatability. It's if I if I reach out to something in the forest and there's nothing there, but I've lived a good life and feeling like I'm in harmony, then that's better than like not reaching out and just feeling like, oh, I guess trees fall all the time. With property, like, I don't know it's in In some ways, it's a choice.

1:50:02 But but there's a lot of things that have happened, so I'll give them. I'll give one another example. And this is one of my favorite stories because when I tell people, when I tell people like conferences and like Whitehall and stuff like that, I get blanks stairs back. It's it's like kind of but yet I lived it. So this was back when I was hunting for property. This was after the experience where I saw one lean out from behind the true Now I'm on the west side of the Hudson. I'm happy sharing where it was out by Clarksville and there's a famous not famous. There's like a cave to us cavers. It's well known, the clark Still Cave, and the property right next to it was for sale. I wanted that property, so badly to put a caving community, you know, like Airbnb there. And at this point I'd had several of these experiences with the forest friends that I knew, uh, like, okay, this this is caving cave area. You know, there's a possibility that they could be here. So I took the afternoon this is full, full pandemic mode. The real realtor couldn't meet me out there. They just had go on out there and you know, take pictures. So I went out to take pictures and don't dig a test pit, and I again blissed out, you know, taking photos. I finding

1:51:35 plants I hadn't seen, honoring the cave that was there planning the future, and there was no sasquatch activity, and and I thought, gosh, surely after that, I mean, I was like expecting something to peek out from behind a tree after just having having that experience, so my nerves are calming down. I was like, oh, I've been out here for a few hours, nothing years happened, you know, Silly Jenny in her imagination like I can just like move on with my life. You know, those were like weird one off. So I'm at the end of the time there I there. Oh yeah, and there's trail cameras everywhere because it's Clark's o Cave. There's there's there's trail cams.

1:52:19 So I just stepped from the area where all the trail cams are facing toward Clark's the Cave onto what I'm sure is the property that I want to purchase. And I hear my dog, Kiva and at the car going boo like she does when a man runs really fast past past the car, and I thought, oh, that's you know, that's funny, like there's some guy, some guy down there, maybe you know. But I thought, I've been here all this time. It can't be a sasquatch, right, because they had ample time to reveal themselves, so kind of half chuckle and you know, laughing laughingly. I was like, okay, guys, I'm leaving now. If you're here, gonna have to make yourselves known. And as the word known leaves my lips, I hear it sounded exactly how people describe it. It sounded like a Louisville slugger breaking in half. But this Louisville slugger is like eight inches thick. It was the loudest, craziest crack and there were three of them, one right above my head, one on the other side of the little like field. It's like, you know, maybe one hundred feet, and then another one about one hundred feet behind that.

1:53:46 So it's quack a crack. And but that crack above my head was literally above my head. I thought that a tree branch was about to fall in my head. I thought that a tree, giant tree branch had broken above my head and was in the process of falling on me. And I jumped out of the way and like looking over my shoulder to the left at the same time, there was a tree there. It was only about uh six feet high because it probably broke off one hundred years ago. It was like a hundred year old skeleton of a giant white pine and the rest of the tree was laying on the ground. I was like, so there was nothing, there was no matter to percuss.

1:54:43 I was like, what did I do, like go back in time to the moment that that tree broke, Like that's not like, that's not a thing either. And it was so loud and so scary, and I thought I was about to be crushed. I instantly had and I just said, you guys, are gonna do that to me, You're gonna get moved And I dropped my pis. I had to be I had to be really bad and I just but people say like that, like or when I say, people, I told you a little earlier about my friend Chris, and I've had many conversations with her, like trying to understand again, like uh, what what was this?

1:55:29 A bear? Was this? Ah? Was this a sasquatch? Was this? You know? What was this? And what's great is this friend of mine who's I would say psychic. She's great about being like nope, Jenny, that was a nothing burger Like that was nothing. It was like, Okay, that's cool, Like it helps me like discern the feelings. So anyways, I've asked her like what what is this about? Like and she just says, well, they think you're hilarious. And I think that this is a scene that people might that I think the community could take a look at. So when I listen to these podcasts and I hear these stories from people, I don't think, oh, that was a scary story necessarily. I think all that fastquatch is having a great time messing with that person they Does that make sense? Like they're having they're having a great time at our expense, and I think they leave tracks to taunt people. I think they're just like, oh, you know what would be really funny one track of mud puddles, right, or like, you know what would be really funny would be like make this silly thing out of sticks and just leave it in the woods and sit and watch people like stop and look at it. Or oh, let's toss pebbles of them.

1:56:51 So for me that through all of these experiences, I look as like, oh haha, like you guys, guys are having a good time, and then I will like do something funny in return. So like when I got hit with the walnut, I was like, Okay, fine, you're gonna throw something with a funny pattern at me. I'm gonna throw throw back a piece of candy with a funny pattern on it. And it's peppermint. It's probably like it's probably too strong a taste, you know what I mean, It's gonna be like a I don't know, not maybe not delicious. That's that's right.

1:57:32 Exactly. So obviously that's not that's not gonna be the case with everybody. But I'm just saying that has been my experience. So and I had been in a tear. I left one of my first stories with them. I left on a different podcast. I don't know if you want me to stay it out loud, but it was fran King Sharp's Uh yeah, I love that podcast us you know, Brian, Tiffany, Wayne all, all the all the folks associated with that, uh, those productions, and so I it was like this three day adventure where something pursued us in the forest and ultimately, I believe now I got hit with infrasound and I got to experience that like instant, like the bowels are moving, you gotta pee, And so that's kind of like what is more fun to sasquatch? Right? And then like see a bunch of people and all of a sudden make them feel sick and pee. Yeah, I don't know, like you kind of kind of think of it from their perspective, like I think they just love messing with us.

1:58:44 Like I think, so there might be I think you definitely might be onto something there that there's probably there's definitely an entertainment factor. You know that it's got to be. I mean I feel like, yeah, there's an entertainment factor. The way that they watch us and stuff. There's definitely something there. And like with the who like with the owl thing, like I asked him to sell like an owl. So what does he do? He runs up and goes who like right in my face because I said, like, because it won't be as scary. So what he does is he does something that's terrified. You asked for You asked for this, lady, like, you're the one who asked for it, Like, I'm sure it was hilarious to them, and or to the homeless people living in my woods. It's like, what is what is the alternative? I have homeless people living in my woods and I can't quite see and that my dog like allows and it starts get it starts getting uh weirder and weirder. And I do want to know, is I have encountered feral people? I think maybe I have encountered feral people before in the forest and I have encountered like in North I worked in North Georgia for years. I mentioned this on Brian's podcast, Like I did encounter students when I worked with the Wilderness Program report seeing man in the bushes, you know, Another time

2:00:17 someone came as uh like I went by the name g I there and then GI there's there's somebody with a red headlamp staring at me while I'm peeing, you know, And and then my dog tracks something up into the forest. So whether that's a person or something else, there's definitely, you know, people in the forest. I can tell you that I've I lived up on Mount Hood for years and that's where I saw my first That's where I saw somebody just like this person looked so fairal and they just walked in front of my band in the middle of the night, and it was freaky, like no headlights, it was no headlamp on, just like walking walking through the forest like they like they knew every rock, every you know, I don't know it was, uh, anyway, I've seen that, and you know, I've come across shelters in the forest that I believe, I believe were clearly people.

2:01:20 And I knew a guy he just lived up in a cave up in Little Coltwood Canyon for the winter. You know. I worked with this guy up at Brighton. So people do live in unusual circumstances, and I think that's important to mention. So, you know, so my family, I think is of the impression of like, yeah, we just really hope it's not homeless people, you know, homeless people living in your woods messing with you. Yeah, yeah, right, and uh and so I got I have a two dogs, one very large one and uh. Anyway, so I was rambling on. But so that experience with the crack of the tree what I'll call them tree knocks, I don't know other way to describe, other way to put it.

2:02:15 But I have said to people before, like quote unquote researchers. I was like, look, I experienced one right above my head. I'm telling you, I could not see what made it. There was no matter to percuss, there was no stick, there was no there was nothing. And there were two more that followed. So ok, so it was like, you don't believe one, maybe you don't believe two. We'll give you three. And you know what I mean. So anyway, and I get blank stairs. So there's definitely hot, you know, high strangeness that we still could look at as data. Right, So when I'm talking about is repeatability. So sure, I'm walking through the woods, I hear a crack that sounds like a tree break. I have been in the woods as a wilderness guide and almost been killed by trees that you know, branches that randomly fall in the forest, trees that fall lighten, lightning strikes, all that stuff. It does truly happen. How many times does it happen? When you say, hey, guys, I'm about to leave. You know, if you want to make yourselves known, you know, you got to do it now, Like.

2:03:34 Yeah, that's yeah, Jenny. I think I think I would definitely love you to come back for a part two because I've made a list here of topics that we haven't even I mean, you were mentioned Skinwalker Ranch and Mount Hood and North Georgia, and I mean, I think I would love to have you back. But this has been absolutely incredible. I'm glad you had I'm glad you had fun. I you know, I really I do enjoy talking to you. I feel really, you know, at home, I realize I'm a rambler and I'm a talker, and I had step by step notes which I you know, I got lost in my brain and sat down a long time ago.

2:04:21 I would love to come back, I would, you know. I had entered into this conversation thinking that maybe we would even discuss more about the science. I can answer a lot of like genetic questions and you know, like talk about the science and things. Yeah, i'd love to come back. And obviously the experiences here I don't think are just gonna stop. Yeah, And I haven't even gotten into since I'm careful who I share the experiences with, because some of my friends who I've shared things with now have have had what you call them like confirmations.

2:05:08 And I would love to talk for another time. But about the one I saw Bess's face in the window, that one looked like a caveman, uh more like what I hear Fred up in Alaska describe. That was another one of those crazy stories that happened during my meditation group. And then obviously I saw the individual over by East Groombush. I saw that one. I've seen the one I would say one last time, also around that meditation group, and then we I mentioned earlier. I'm also happy to to, you know, do hypnosis for somebody that has had an experience that they want to derive more information from. And you can cut that out if you want, but I'm just sure, you know, I'm just putting that out there.

2:06:05 You know, it's obviously there's a state involved with some of my experiences, and I'm open to those being hallucinatory because I understand how those neurotransmitters work. But like I said, I think as a community, what we need to do with the high strangeness is test it, test it for repeatability, and accept that Yep, some of this could be in our head. But if it's testable and repeatable, we need to look at it as a data point and try to understand it. And and uh, I guess my final My final word on this is, yeah, I'm a scientist, Kenneth biologist, deep into the science. And when when that when the then diagram starts overlapping with things I can explain my I don't believe the answer is to reject it.

2:06:57 I believe the answer is to test it. And that's kind of that's where I'm at. I think that's a perfect way to kind of sum up what we've been talking about today. And yeah, just thank you for coming on, Jenny, and we'll definitely be in touch to set up a second time. But thank you, Thanks Jeremiah. I hope you have a wonderful. Night you as well. Good Bye. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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2:09:20 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And I feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need you tell, because if you don't, then shame on you. You have Shame on you.