A Southwest Oregon Man Shares His Terrifying Close-Range Sasquatch Encounter

0:00 You're listening to Bigflat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to mister Mark Horband today from down there in southwest Oregon. As we were just saying, it's always well, it's a privilege to be able to talk to someone from down there. We don't get a lot of individuals from that area on the show. But welcome to the show. Mark. How are you doing today, sir?

0:49 Good good? Thank you. Absolutely a little bit of info about yourself that I think the listeners will find interesting, as you've actually been in this I guess you could say, in this field in the Bigfoot topic since the eighties. Correct. Yeah, and i'd be I'd say, you know, I've had that term bigfoot researcher coined to me at one time, and I wouldn't really say that, I'd kind of say more of a bigfoot enthusiast since back then. And it just kind of fell into fell into this actually from like I said, that first encounter and then telling people about it and had people approach me since then, and it's just one thing after another kind of i worked at a hospital for thirty seven years and I've had doctors, you know, come up to me. I've had them. I've had people sitting down at lunch at the hospital before telling me, you know, my story and a couple of people laugh. And then next thing, you know, I've got a doctor talking to me that you know, went on a hight and had a experience. So it was just kind of been that over the years, and and uh lately it's just been compounding. More and more people have approached me, and more and more things have happened, you know.

2:17 So and before we get into that's interesting because that is a thing that's been on my mind too, because it seems to be discussed a lot in the community. Do you think that it's just because people are getting more comfortable with sharing and it's becoming more acceptable or or why do you think that could be. Kind of you know, and I noticed, I don't know if it's me too. I'm approachable and my wife said that before, you know, I'm kind of uh, not a I don't know, a no nonsense type thing. A lot of people don't want to. I noticed that that when they talk to me, a lot of people don't want that misnomer of being crazy, you know, so they there's a there's a fine line there. I'm finding out where people are telling me things that are I've had some very rational people tell me some very crazy things, and then the other the exact opposite too. So I think it's the people that do know that they're not they're they're they're very very rational or very yeah, like I said, doctors and stuff like that. Police, Uh, that don't I don't know if they don't want to be associated with that or not. But the more stuff that's been coming out, I think people are starting to feel a little more comfortable with that, knowing that you know, no, you're not crazy.

3:42 This this this is happening, and something we need to try to figure out what it is and explain some of this stuff, you know. One hundred percent. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that, Mark. Let's let's go ahead and would would you would you be able to take us back to that time back in the eighties when you had that experience and that kind of kicked all this off for you. Yeah. Yeah, So back then, you know, it's out of high school, and it was probably not quite this time of year, but just before the day before winter, and me and a friend were trying to go up into the snow with his lifted four by four Toyota four by four. And I used to do this with all the time. We'd go get some beers, go up and you know, late at night whatever, and we'd go hit try to hit the snow. And this time had him and a girl with us, and we had drove this was actually out of southern Oregon here way up on an old skid road. Got to the end, we got up into the snow, got to this the land being on the skid road where you'd always find these all over down here in southern Oregon. Anyways, little landing a turnaround basically, so I'd say, it wasn't more than you know,

5:13 thirty foot round maybe if that. So it got the hill going up this way, and the road or the hill going down this way, the road coming back this way. So it went up and we turned around, parked it in the snow, and probably about six seven foot from the embankment on this side, which actually would be on this side now going down the road. So we parked there at the Toyota Park like this. My friend and this girl they were rolling around in the snow on the other side, on the passenger side of the truck, and I was sitting on the driver's side drinking a beer, you know. And yeah, I'm drinking a beer, but was not drunk. And anyways, so I'm sitting there, just kicking back, looking straight up the hill, and I would say maybe fifty yards up the hill was the top of the ridge, and the moon wasn't directly behind it, but it was back enough to where that was lit up, so you could see the trees and just dark and then you just see the light through the trees, if that makes sense.

6:22 So I'm sitting there and it's very very quiet, very quiet night, no wind, and I'm watching this tree I just had noticed this movement and it was going like this, and it was it looked just like a little Christmas tree basically, just literally almost. I actually I really did think it was just a tree moving, and I'd say it was maybe four or five foot tall. And so I sat there and I'm looking at this thing for quite a while and it's going just like this, and then it would go and it would move. You know.

7:02 And back then, I wasn't afraid of nothing in the woods. Pretty I didn't care, you know. And I called my buddy over and I said, hey, you know, take a what the look at that thing. There's something up there moving this thing. And he looks at it and goes, yeah, you know, and I go, I'm gona go find out what it is. So I proceeded a step toward the the edge of the bankment there and there was a ditch there too, kind of so I had to go through that. But I didn't even get to that. I probably took maybe two steps and this thing stood up. It stood up, and it walked off to the left, and for an instant there I was like, who's up here? Yeah, that was my first thought was who in the heck is up here, you know. And then I'm like, for for about a mill asecond, you know, And right then this saying had proceeded to start just breaking branches and making this bellowing sound, this just warbling, just lur and it shook and at the same time it was coming down and branches were being thrown pieces of stuff, and and I don't know how long, you know. Everybody asked me, well, how long you stay? I don't. I don't. I don't remember,

8:33 you know, I remember enough to know that this thing was barreling down like almost like a bear does through trees, which I've seen tons of that before. But I immediately turned my the my buddy, and is the girl. They were already in the in the truck, in the passenger side and hunkered down in there. I jumped into the driver's side, and this was a lifted four by four, so I had to climb up in it. Back then, in the eighties, you know, everybody had one that was, you know, ten foot in the air. To have the lights on top. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, future oh yes, yes, yeah, but even bigger than that, you know. So uh, I can't even remember what size tires that thing out on. It.

9:24 But anyways, I get in that thing and I slammed that door, starked at and I mean when I was coming in, it felt like this was right on me, and it really was, because when I started that, my eyes went like this to the window and I could see this section. You know, I'm trying to You can't really see me, but I'm seeing maybe this section of it filled the entire window. You couldn't really see much. It was a darkish ray. Maybe I couldn't tell because it's so dark. The only thing that's lighting it up is my dash the dashlights from me starting that thing, putting it in gear, and I took off. And the funny part is I vividly remember this part. Like I don't know if you you when you're a kid, you were watching horror movies and you're watching the movie like this, you know where you don't want to see it, and that that's kind of how I'm looking at a peripheral and I did not want to do this for some reason.

10:33 I just and I didn't, and I hit that took off in that car or in that truck, and I remember, I don't. This is the part I don't. There's a lot of it. I don't trying to piece together because of it was sheer panic. I mean, yeah, anyways, it. Sorry, well I went in that and I don't know if that thing hit the back of the truck or whatever, but spun me sideways and I kept that throttle on, came back out onto the snow road, and I'm kind of lucky we didn't crash, because you know, it was a mountain road and full of snow, and I'm pegged, you know, I'm young.

11:21 I'm just pegged to get out of there. So after that didn't I'm trying to think how many years before I went back in the woods. You know, it was it was pretty pretty intense, you know. And then I started thinking, since then, I've been in the woods riding motorcycles and had weird stuff happen, always thought something else, and now I'm now now I've second guessed a lot of the other stuff that's happened to me before that point, you know. Wow. And so I kind of started studying there, or you know, looking up these things on it. And years later I came across the Sierra Sounds and they had almost that exact sound, and other than it didn't shake my chest like the real thing. It literally reverberated in you like these kids with the stereos, you know, just basing it. It's just crazy. But yeah, and like I said, I don't know, don't you know, everybody asked me, well, what do you think it was doing. It's like, I don't know, it didn't care. You know. What I thought it was doing was trying to kill me. So you know, it was not a it was very harrowing, very yeah.

12:50 I got a few questions for you. That's that's such a wild first encounter. So when you saw it stand up, how how tall would you estimate that it was? Well, I was estimating maybe four to five foot, and it was double that when it stood it stood up, it was double probably, you know, so you know, nine foot maybe. And I tried to kind of guess that on the toyota how high that was up and where the chest or where the area that I kind of thought that I seen of it, And of course it's in a there's a ditch there too, So it's if it came that it was, I mean we're talking right here, you know, I could have just if I had the window down. Luckily it wasn't. I could have just touched it, and it had to be at least you know, eight nine nine foot probably I'm guessing, oh yeah, because it was over definitely over the top of the Toyota truck which was elevated from this ditch. And it's lifted too, So other than that part, it was hard to tell.

14:10 But from the first initial deal when it stood up and walked over, like I said, I was guessing that might have been about a four to five foot tall looking tree. And I really did think it was a tree at first. So okay, that's the weird part. Right, And that's something you hear, or at least I hear every once in a while where it looked like a tree, or it merged into a tree, or there's something it looked like a stump when it was breaking branches. Were you able to see it actually breaking the branches or you just started to hear. That, just just heard it, didn't didn't see it at all other than maybe some movement. You know, it was hard because it's pitch black. Were silhouetted from behind, so once it stepped out of that lighted area, I guess you know, where it was backlit into the foliage. I couldn't see, but I could hear and you know, kind of see stuff hitting coming down. So apparently it was throwing stuff too, which was landing next to the side.

15:24 And I don't know how much stuff. I don't know if it was even just one. To me, it was everything was coming at me. You know. It was like I said, it was not a It was not an experience that I could sit there and and oh yeah I did this and it just exactly no, I was, I'm out of here, you know, I'm it was absolutely terrifying. No if and buts about it. You know, yeah, I still just to to the day, it just is not it's still kind of I get worried. Uh yeah, to this day and which which we could get into. The next accounter, which was this just this last year wasn't quite as harrowing as this, but it was enough to put me back in that same spot.

16:26 You know, absolutely when you saw it through the window, how close would you estimate that it was to the vehicle? Uh right there? Oh so feet away, not even. Feet away, probably maybe a foot from the It seemed like, you know, maybe a foot from the window. If that it was right smacked there and I may have actually even turned into it inadvertently, just because I'm on the edge of that ditch almost. Well, No, we were about six feet away, so I had to drive. I think I kind of just drove halfway into that thing, and that's when I did also go a little bit sideways, and I think maybe that might have been That's the part where I'm a little bit confused, is I can't tell if it hit the back and made me go into that ditch because I was we were a little ways away from it. But I just remember going into that thing, and then luckily it wasn't as deep as over here when I did, and I was able to just it just rode right back out and kept going.

17:42 The other individuals that were with you, did they notice any other details or parts of the encounter that you missed because you were trying to drive. No, No, they were down in the thing. And the one friend I did I never did meet the girl since then, don't even remember who can even remember her name because it was associated with him, my friend, and he never wanted to talk about her anything ever ever again, never did never, and and the whole time they weren't even upright, they were down, just just basically, you know, head down everything in the in the passenger side.

18:30 Last question about about this, Have you ever gone back to this area as a enthusiast into bigfoot since that time? No, No, actually I have not. I have heard of other stories from the same area though, and actually most notably one of them was a county commissioner in this area, and he he had I actually spoke with him. I heard from other people they just said, oh, you need to talk to this guy. You need to talk to him because he had this same thing. And over the years I've heard that and I and I actually finally talked with this guy, and his was pretty harrowing too.

19:18 He's he he won't go in that same area ever again. You know. Now it's as far as where it's at, it's very very close to town where I live here. And but yeah, I just have I haven't been up I don't know, you know, I would go back up there, not by myself. There's a lot of places I won't go by actually most of them I am not going to go by myself. It took me a long time just to even ride my motorcycle around in some of these places, you know, And so I did a lot of that dirt bike riding and everything. I just that was just in my family. But yeah, this place I just haven't been and I don't know if it's the you know, now, I could probably do it now. It's not like I think I could get over that, but I just just logistics or something, just haven't been out in that area.

20:26 Yeah, it's that whole area of Oregon. You hear a lot of really intense stuff out of there, and you know, so it's even if it's on I mean, no matter what side, I mean over an Applegate that area. I've heard stuff that's crazy down there, and then go, that's where you're at, right, that's exactly where, Yeah, exactly. And then on the other side though, you've got like you go into Rogue River stuff and there's wild stuff that happens in there too. There's weird, weird stuff that happens in there. That that's kind of the area where I was. It's, uh, there's Grants Pass, there's Rogue River, there's a Whimer area, and it's out passed up in that area where this happened.

21:11 And where I'm at, I'm actually right next to the Applegate River out here, and I can ride my my backyard. I can drive straight up over the ridge and hit the Oregon Caves where Matthew Johnson had his thing, and and and And that's funny because somebody asked me, well, do you do any research behind your house? And I'm like, no, I don't want. I almost don't want to. I do because it would be convenient, but I almost don't want to know if there's something right in my backyard. I you know, it's kind of some of the getting into this. It's it's, uh, it's interesting, but it's unnerving at the same time, and it's it's kind of good step away from something like that, just you know, and and I and who knows. The more the more I do or something, it's, uh, it seems like I'm stepping back into a little more with people approaching me and everything. And uh, it's yeah, it's still like I said that that that first thing was I'm not one of those I know a lot of people say, well, you know, they're very they're oh, they're mellow, they're not gonna kill you or whatever. Try to tell that to somebody that just had something like what happened to me to them that it's uh, yeah,

22:42 extremely hair, extremely hair. Oh absolutely, my goodness. Yeah. So then after that, it's so you you did not go out in the woods for a while, but then there's a point where you start to get more into it. You'd become an enthusiast, and you have something even happened recently as well as you're saying last year. Yeah, yeah, just this summer of this, this twenty twenty five. So what happened is well, probably after that first incident, you know, know, nothing, nothing, nothing, and then I started trying to understand, you know what, what I just just happened and seen, and so I started you know, looking into it, and and then I started believing some of the stories too that I've had heard around this area for since I was a kid. That's the funny part too, is I remember hearing a lot of them and thinking that's crazy. Well, so I, uh, as a result, started studying that it started getting more interested in it, and then I kind of slowly came out enough to tell people, you know, what happened to me, and then people started approaching me more and more. I had hunters and I had people that I know, you know, and then and then I even got into the point of where, you know,

24:13 people tell me, well, you're crazy, and I'm like, no, this is what happened. So I'm trying to kind of condense this or not. But I years ago. It's actually he's nine years old now, I got my daughter, came home with a wolf hybrid and a high percentage wolf hybrid. He's one hundred and sixty five plus now pounds. So I I'm sitting here at home and I have a friend of mine that's a hunter that's was into Bigfoot, and he came by and said, hey, this guy Greg Roberts is having a podcast or on Facebook. He's having a town hall. That's what he told me. And before that, I actually had went to a bigfoot town hall in Cave Junction to just kind of see it. The same person got me to go to this, you know, So went to that and Greg Roberts was there too. I didn't meet him. I probably met him, but I didn't really know him, you know then. And that was with Scott Violet too from Watch Americas. But anyways, so Greg Roberts had this pot this Facebook town hall. Sorry, and so I get on there and my friend asked me, can you get it on your big screen TV and I got a big seventy five inch TV. So he's

25:43 I go, sure, you know, So I screencasted it from my phone and we're watching it and he mentions that at the Sportsman Show, which is in Medford Outdoor Sportsman Show, that he's going to do a wolf talk on wolves. So now I'm interested. I'm like, oh wow, cool, I'd like to go to that. So I actually commented on there. I said, hey, if you need a wolf to show people the size, I said, I've got one. That's all I did. I commented at Well, he got back to me and said, hey, bring him. Well he thought that I was going to just bring a little husky, you know, So I brought Opa, which is a guy I could probably see if I could bring up a picture. He's actually sitting over there, laying down behind here, but he uh, so I brought him there. At the same time, there's there was these Wolves of Yellowstone, which were the wolves that are used in Hey on here, I'm gonna look for a picture here so we can get something going.

26:48 But oh that's an AI want to hang on? Uh oh, anyways, well, there's I made a meme with him and let's see if you could see that. So oh nice, Okay, so that's kind of you know, that's what he looks like. But imagine he's big, big as a great Dane. So anyways, I brought him there. They had these wolves of Yellowstone there. Didn't know it and anyways, met with Greg. Greg was ecstatic and stuff. Well that passed and later on he got a hold of me. He had started communicating with me on bigfoot. He noticed, you know that I had commented on a lot of stuff on bigfoots and his page and stuff, and so he approached me with this idea that he's said he out in Butte Falls area of Oregon, which is not too far from here. He had He says that he had a place where it was very hot spot for bigfoot activity. Kind of knows of a family group is what he says. Up there, and he says, hey, I like to take your wolf hybrid out there and see just kind of reactions because he said, he goes there's there's a wolf pack that's known in that area. And that's another thing he does.

28:14 I think he does some tracking for ODFW for wolves, so he's very knowledgeable on the wolf packs that are in Oregon in the in the Pacific Northwest and anyways, so I'm thinking he goes or first, he's saying, would you like to take the dog up? We'll go up at you know, ten at night and stay till four in the morning, and I just want to see how he reacts to if we get any kind of encounters, you know, of either bigfoot or wolves, you know. So I said sure, And I'm thinking at the time, I really didn't think any kind of bigfoot thing. I really thought wolves. I'm thinking this would be kind of cool, that maybe the wolves will start howling and my dog will start howling, and maybe they'll come in and we'll get some of this, you know, it'll just be just be cool, you know. So I really didn't even have I you know, I'll admit I didn't even have any inkling of the bigfoot thing at all kind of going up there. Uh And so we had a thermal imager.

29:26 I brawled one and uh, Greg had a night vision h goggles or something. I can't remember exactly what they were, but I had a monocular axiom thermal imager brought with us up there, and kind of the same thing. It was out It was a very very remote area. It took us a long time to get there. Greg was driving in front of us. I'm driving in my van, got my brother with me and the dog, and we had their windows rolled down. And when we started getting up into this area, just before we got there, I didn't know we were there or getting close to the area yet. My dog started going back and forth through the windows, just like he's smelling something, and he does that when he gets on a scent, he'll do some strange stuff. And right about then, Greg kind of hits the skids in front of us, and he stops for a while, and I'm like, what is he doing? Nothing, you know, and my dog's just really now, just alert.

30:29 He's just like this. So all of a sudden, Greg takes off and he's driving, and about maybe two corners later, I think I see something on the side of the road and I think I see it move, and I'm okay, is that? And my headlights are shining it and just kind of turns so and I'm turning this way away from it. So I didn't get a good look at what it was, and I just dis counted it. So we get up to a first stop where which was right after that, and Greg gets out and he's like, did you see that? I see an eyeshine that's where I stopped. And I'm like, no, I didn't see that. I go but I did think thought I saw a shadow on the next corner pass where you stopped. And he goes, well, that's interested he goes. He goes, I probably got a bigfoot on the brain. And I'm thinking the same thing. You know, he's he's got bigfoot on the brain, you know. So we kept going and it was probably another mile or two up to the spot that he had stopped, and it was almost the same thing like I described earlier, just just the end of the road type of landing, very very short landing. So we turned around, had my van parked right up right up next to the bank, headed downhill. His car was parked kind of a little bit behind me, and we set up chairs and I put my dog actually brought his bed and set it right in the middle of us, down on the ground. And at first it was nothing,

32:01 you know. Uh, my brother took the tookapa down the road. He I'm looking through the thermal thermal vision and watching him and he, uh, he's going down the road. And he's peeing and looking for spots to peage and marking his territory, you know, doing stuff like that. And he comes back and everything's fine, and then Chris takes him down the road again, and and it's kind of funny because I don't even know how my brother, I asked him later, how did you even see? He goes, Oh, I didn't, he goes, I just was letting the Doug take me. So anyways, it was pitch black. It was dead silent to pitch black, no win, and uh we're not hearing nothing. But I'm watching Chris down the road, probably twenty yards, you know, down the road, and I see Apa kind of start to lift his head up and he starts looking just like a pointer, you know, down the road. And now he's just fixated. What is he looking at? I'm looking at it. So I start looking down the road and this that axiom. It it's kind of hard because it burns your retina out, you know, looking at it. And uh so I'm trying to do this, and and then i'd put it back on and look, and pretty soon I just kept it on and I'm watching him and then he starts just turning like this down to the ridge down to the side of us,

33:33 and there's a ridge going up this way, the ridge down this way. If I'm looking down the road and Apa is doing this, he's going just like this, and then about part way he whips it and turns and looks up the hill above us, and then he whips back and then he starts back, literally backing up. And my brother at the time says he could hear on the the going below us. He could hear what he thought was almost footsteps crunches every once in a while, so he, uh, Opa now is backing up, literally backing up on down the road. So my brother kind of I think he could feel this because I'm watching him through the night vision and he or the thermal and he starts coming. He comes back, and then Apa out sits down and actually he's looking down the ridge where we're hearing a sound and we're still hearing this sound.

34:32 And then he stands up, and actually Greg's got a good picture of him standing and he took a pit took a picture of Apa and me and we're both just looking down because we could hear something. So I'm I'm scanning with this thermal imager Greg's looking down there. He can hear it. I can hear it, and uh, I see. I'm just it's just it figures too that I'm I'm scanning like this, you know, I'm looking this way. I start going like this, and literally right as I just about get out of the the this point of the tree, I see this thing go like this, just a big white hot signature come out of the tree and and go back as soon as I mean, I didn't even get to whip back before that thing is already back in there. Greg says at the same time, he goes, I just seen He goes, I see an eye shine and seeing a figure right behind a tree with he has night vision. So I'm like and I tell him, I go, that's weird. I go, I just seen that too. So they're they're right there. So we're focused down there. Well, APA's here and he's he's turned keeps turning back up the hill, and uh, I uh turn this thing down. He I kind of uh at that moment, was like, well, why does he keep looking up?

36:01 You know, I don't hear anything up here. So I take that thermal imager and I walk around to what I think is in front of my van and I look up there and I see. This is the weird part, is I see this kind of I couldn't even I can't even describe a morphous blob, is what I kind of say. And I can't. And I thought about this afterwards. I don't know if it was a heat signature coming from behind a lot of foliage, but it wasn't like there was lest white hot specs. Didn't look like a normal something going behind foliage. It looked more like a yeah, and I say this, and I hate to say it, but it like almost like the predator type thing, you know what I mean, just put in a heat signature type of way. So I've got this grayish shimmer that's not fully white hot. It's more of a grayish different color that's moving. Can't really tell what it is. And at first I thought, uh, my, my van has an antenna and it has a little ball on the top, and I'm thinking I'm looking at the ball, and so I stick my hand and I no, my my hand.

37:16 My antenna is way back here, so it's not that I'm looking at. There's something on the ridge above us, and it's it's going by. So then I'm like, okay, I get my phone out, because you can't hit record on this stupid axiom. You got to go on your phone, so you have to light up your phone, which lights up everything. Yeah, it drives me crazy. I I there probably is a way, but I didn't know how to do it, so uh and I do have some recordings of the dog that night, but uh, so I try to I get that record recording started, and of course it's gone, so didn't. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit back down here with the dog and we're going to just kind of focus down here, and I'll look up there once in a while to try to see what's going on. And Appa just started getting more and more and more anxious and nervous, and which was making me nervous.

38:11 It was it was almost the exact opposite. I was just telling somebody about this the other day. Is so you know how your your dog is in tune with you. You know, if you're angry, your dog gets angry or whatever. This was the exact opposite. My I was not. We would have been oblivious that there was anything there until other than him. And the more anxious he got, the more anxious I was getting and pretty soon he's backing up under the chairs with me. So I'm thinking, Okay, there's something really close here, and he's just acting strange, you know, and Greg's seen it too, and Greg, so Greg kind of says, well, you know, or I told him, I go, Greg, I go, I kind of want to put him in the van because he's acting very you know, you know, he's got a lot of anxiety going on here. Yeah, and something's making him nervous as heck, here did these this is making him nervous, you know. And I got that feeling too that we were being surrounded and didn't like it at all because it was starting to bring me back to the whole thing back then. And about that time, Greg says, well, we can you know, I've seen enough. We can pack it up. Kind of. Well, I had opened the van just just before that. I started to go to proceed to open the van, and the wind had kicked up just and there was no wind this whole night. The wind had kicked up. In the instant that wind kicked up, my dog just flipped out.

39:43 He just want I mean, almost tried to bust through the door of the van. I opened it up. He dives in and he goes like this on the side of the van that's facing the hill, like he's trying to look through the windows. And then he dives down underneath the passenger seat and just he's his eyes are this big around. My brother turned on his flashlight on his phone, and my dog's eyes. He's laying flat as he can get on the floor and pushed in as far as he can onto the passenger side, and his eyes are this big around, you know. So I'm like, okay, this is this is crazy. So I grabbed the flashlight Greg and them. Now Greg's over now with Chris two with them in my van, we're all right there. And so I grabbed my I had a spotlight flashlight there, grabbed it and went around the back of my van to the side of the hill and I flashed that there, and that's when I realized how dense it was, to super super dense. I didn't realize that it was that dense of woods there, you know, because we had got there at night and at that instant too, the bushes just exploded of this thing moving through it going up.

41:08 Couldn't did not get a good look. I couldn't tell you if it was a bear or not. But I could tell you I don't think that it was a bear because there was multiple these things were surrounding us, and like I said, I don't think a bear is going to going to sit there and coordinate efforts, you know, to try to surround us. It was a very very weird feeling like at that moment too, I realized we were being flanked basically, this one. I had a lot of time to think about it, and I was thinking, the only thing I think of is this one was kind of maybe purposely making noise so this one could come up around and get real close to it. And it was really close because when I shine that light and I shined it, I wish if I would have shined it up a little higher, I probably would have caught it because I had shined it thinking that I'm looking through the woods and it was just on the edge of my eyes of the shine, and then you know, see, as soon as I see it moved, I went like this.

42:15 But the woods were just being basically exploded now at that time. But yeah, it was another scary thing, you know, but we would have been oblivious. I would have been probably oblivious had not the dog kind of started doing what he was doing at the beginning. We talked with Greg after that, and he was kind of the same thing. You know, he had seen. You know, we had focused down there because we had heard this crunching steps, but I don't know if we heard those crunching steps. We didn't hear anything until Upas started really focusing, and then we startarted focusing, and then that's when we started hearing kind of started here to some stuff, if that makes.

43:06 Sense that that is wild? Did you say that was in Butte Falls? Just kind of out of that area, out of that area, So between there, I would say, if you if you took you know, and I don't want to tell where Greg's sight is or anything like that, right he but you know, if you took klam A or not a crater Lake, Butte Falls, and then took over to like Diamond Lake, you know you could in that area. So which is, oh, my goodness, is such an area. I've never been there, but like the hunters I've talked to about Prospect crazy stuff and then Diamond Lake some really wild stuff. And there's been multiple guys that have said, once you get what were they saying? Once you get west of two thirty, just look out, because that's it gets really crazy west to two thirty that highway or that road or whatever.

44:07 Oh yeah, I've met another gentleman since then, real, real nice guy that has showed me pictures of footsteps and tree breaks and actual he actually had figures on a rock that were there gone and you could tell that they're you know, they're very big. And he's like, oh, I'll take you right to that spot if you want to measure it. And I'm like, and I asked him, I said, how come you don't get this? You need? This is really good stuff. You know. Any He goes, I don't want to. I don't want any kind of limelight, you know, And. Which is so you're saying, like petroglyphs, right, no, no, no, no, no, oh yeah.

44:50 These were a rock out cropping kind of a rock mountain, and there's two figures on there that definitely had long arms. Just you look at it and you're going, okay, that's uh, it looks like two bigfoots you know, on there. Really yeah, And then and then I asked him too. He's going through it, and I go and I was basically he basically handed me his phone too, and I'm kind of quisitive on it. I said, well, did you get a picture of it without him? And he goes, you know, that's funny, he goes, uh, and he was friends with the Scott Violot. He goes, he uh said uh no or no, he did his but he told his buddy right after that, and he and his buddy told him, you need to go back and uh get a picture of that without them, So he did. So I'm like, okay, that's good. And literally, you know, I'm looking at the timestamp on his phone and the pictures and I'm like, okay, he didn't. These aren't manipulated, and he's not the type of guy that that you know, and you could kind of tell too if somebody's I've done a lot of computer working, and if somebody's manipulated time stamps on a phone or something, it's just it's pretty obvious. But no, he's got a progression of pictures, he's got footprints going around the lake. And I another thing.

46:20 The guy that loaned me the thermal imaging since then are actually I can't remember it. No, it was at about the same time he had put a recording out in this other area out of Douglas County, Glendale, and it's toward the coast, out in the middle of nowhere, twenty nine miles from any town. I drove out there with him. We got pictures of tree breaks, footprints, and I actually got an audio I could let you hear this. This was at three am. I'm gonna play it through here because let's see here. Okay, where's my speaker on this thing? Well, so that that's a stream that's nearby.

47:13 So we're working on getting a better and and I'll do it again here. I don't know. Could you hear? That's really good? That's extremely good audio. Well, And the funny thing is that was with a crappy recorder. We got a we have since bought a good one. I'm still going through stuff. This is just one that's on my phone. I have knocks, grunts, uh, some crazy stuff that I can't figure out. I'm still going through a it's super super hard. That's a hard part. But on just this and since then, we've got a better, uh this wild Wildlife Acoustics recorder that we're going to set out and Uh. The funny part is I had just went to a memorial for Scott Violet in Cave Junction and a lady from uh oh, shoot, where is that?

48:11 Gosh darn it? Now, I can't you know what. I got to look this up real quick. She's out of Oregon, north, out of uh north of here. And it's not Lebanon. Gosh darn it. What is the name of that? I'm Oakridge. I think it's Oakridge. Yeah, well, anyway, is it Priscilla, Yes, Priscilla, that's it. I'm great friends with Priscilla. Yeah, okay, Well, Priscilla has a recording not quite as good as that, exactly the same, I mean exactly the same. And that's out of Oakridge. And so I actually just contacted her because I'd love to run hers through. I actually ran this through AI through chat GPT, grock, you know, and said, hey, you know what this was at three am?

48:58 This area, you know what is it? And it says it doesn't match any known North American animals. So I said, okay, well run this thing through the gambit of everything in the world and tell me what's the closest match. And it said howler monkeys of South America. So that's cool. Yeah, And it actually went into even more depth and said that the tonal residence resident of this and that is more indicative to a larger mammal than a howler monkey, and I thought, well, that's kind of weird. I was amazed that it could do that by listening to a recording, and I was also amazed that it's like, oh wow, now, so.

49:45 Just real quick, it'd be interesting if you put it into audacity and then looked at the spectrogram. That's when you did that. That's exactly what I've been doing to try to find the pieces, and some of it aren't showing up very well at all. Like I actually ran past this because it did not show up until in audacity, until I just blew it up so much and I'm like, well, this is really weird. And a lot of those were like that. But yeah, it's but since then I'm getting a little better. I think it was the recording too, because it had that just from the stream. Sure, and so but this area, this area, every single time at a certain time of year between it's June July through you know, August, is just it's just before hunting season, just before elk season. Every single time this person's been up there, and heard stuff. In fact, my own daughter was her boy for her ex boyfriend now was friends with this group and she went up there a few years ago with them, and she's she's always gives me crap, she's dad, there's no such thing as Bigfoot, you know.

51:11 Well she did until that day because she got woken up at three am and said she heard two All the girls actually woke up. The guys were probably passed out drunk, you know, but the girls woke up and they heard these She said she heard them, two of them howling, you know, and it was more of a kind of a wolf type sound. Because I let, I played a couple of things for her and she said, now that that's kind of what it sounded like. And yeah, every single time they've been up there, they've they've gotten some So. Is this the Glendale by Wolf Creek?

51:51 Yes? Yes, Oh my godness, Wolf Creek, Holy Mackerel. I would not go out in the woods by myself there the stories I've gotten outside of Bigfoot, there's some weird stuff going on out there, and like you would not mess around in those woods or you might not come out. No, yeah, and all that. Yeah, I actually stayed in that Wolf Creek Tavern, and we didn't and we didn't know it. We stayed in the haunted the most haunted room there because we went up there for New Year's and uh, our friends of ours wanted to go there, and we stayed. I stayed in that room and slept, slept like a baby. Didn't didn't know it. You know, I didn't know it at the time that it was supposedly the most haunted room. I did know that they were supposed to be haunted up there, but uh, yeah, but I you don't. Yeah, I've got some stories on on that type of situation. I actually have a story that uh hits both of those things from a guy too that I you know, I don't know how much time we've got, No.

52:56 We still got time for sure. Yeah. So you're saying like ghosts and Bigfoot. Yeah, kind of a mix of really. Yeah, one guy told me a story. Well I'll just go ahead and tell it. We can go back to my or the other things too. And this guy, this is a law enforcement guy, Okay, So and I don't want to say too much because I don't want to. I definitely know he does not want anybody to know exactly who who and where and what this is. But it was an old house that he had bought. And this house had a little bit of property very very close in town, if not you know in town type of thing. But the property had been there since. Shoot, this house had knob in tube wiring, and there was structure of an old house from like the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds, I think. Still there a chimney in the backyard. There was old fruit trees in the backyard that have been there for you know, one hundred years or more. Well, he had been remodeling this house and had just weird stuff happening in this house. And his dog wouldn't go upstairs, that's the first thing. And he had a couple of guys doing some work on it, doing like the HVAC work, putting a new unit and in and everything, and they stopped about three quarters through it and they said, we're

54:26 not you know, we're not doing this. This house is haunted, you know. And he's like, you know, yeah, he kind of he had come to that conclusion because of stuff that's happened to him. He had been working on a counter in a kitchen one time and he got done with the whole kitchen, and he's standing back and he's looking at it, you know, and then literally he hears right beside him somebody go, good job, you know. And so he's he's like, okay, there's there really his ghost, you know. And he's a very rational person, so this is not this is not somebody that just that tells you some bs. So well, anyways, he's got a hot tub in the backyard and this happened to him several times.

55:12 I guess. He was in this hot tub and he here's this grunting over by the fruit trees, and he's like, what the heck is And he gets stands up at the hot tub and sees this figure run across, just making a god awful sound and take off up through the irrigation ditch and up into the upper part of the mountain, you know, and there's houses all around in this area. And he said that this happened more than once. And I was telling him, I go, you know, I go, this is really strange, because he he's I go, what you're describing to me sounds more Bigfoot than ghost. I go, but what's happening in your house is ghost and definitely not bigfoot. So I don't know what is going on with that whole that whole situation. You know, the whole fruit trees there maybe established for one hundred years. It sounds perfect for a bigfoot. That says, Okay, I've known this area or you know, my whole family or whatever's known in this area and just known to come back here to get fruit out of the trees. And it sounded like it was near the trees. Whatever this was.

56:31 He said, they've seen this black figure literally look like it ran And then he actually said at one point it was on all fours. It either dropped to all fours and took off running and just made some weird drunting noises he's never heard before. But yeah, and this is wild, wild stuff. Yeah, just just strange, you know. And there's tons of other stories from people around this area, just but that one just kind of struck me as very odd. When we were talking there about ghosts and and bigfoot, and that's the first story I've heard of kind of a merge of both. And you know, other than you know, you hear these stories of in in graveyards which people think their ghosts and they're probably bigfoot. But yeah, this one definitely, Like I said, don't know. Associated with the house, don't and the area that it's at, you'd look at it and just go. There's no way, you know, other than there is a there is a hill there, and if you get to the top of that hill and you follow it down and cut through backs of houses and stuff, you could get out to where it's just open ground. So it's feasible. But it's very, very, very very It's not rural. I mean, I mean it's it's

58:03 almost in town used to be rural. It was probably the end of town back in the day. So I want to make sure that you're able to share the experiences that you were wining to just because I know we we got into a little Q and a yeah rabbit trail there, but I want to make sure you were able to share. Okay, very good. I do have some more questions for you, Yeah, yeah, because you are based out of the area you're at, so there is a for context. So we brought up Matthew Johnson earlier, and there is that story, the account with him and Adam Davies. Have you heard that in the portal?

58:53 Have you ever heard that? No? No, And I'm very interesting. Yeah, uh, you know that that's funny. As I got a story another one that's kind of similar to that, but I'll have to I'll have to ask the guy to talk to talk about it, you know. But it's kind of a weird portal thing where basically is he was near something where he didn't have cell phone. I'll kind of loosely tell it because I don't want to to to uh, I'll have to ask him, you know, before he could do. But basically, he was in a he's a very rational guy too, and he had a situation where he was in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone reception whatsoever, and came across something like that and all of a sudden his phone blew up with phone messages. He all of a sudden had phone reception and then you know, of course, he gets away from this and you know, it's got pictures and as of course, doesn't have cell reception until he gets back to his thing. And I thought that was interesting, and I told him, And unfortunately it's been a while since this happened, and I told him, I said, if this ever happens again, you need to somehow get hold of your cell phone. Records and see maybe your phone pinged to tower in Chicago or something. You know, everybody with

1:00:26 this portal thing is you know, it's just speculation, you know, until if you have some kind of solid evidence like that, Now that's kind of a that's a big deal, you know that that could actually put something like that out there. You know, until then, it's so like I always tell people because they asked me, well do you believe in portals and all of that, and I tell him, I go, well, I go, I don't have an inter dimensional portal meter that I can look for them, So I'm not gonna I can't go down. You kind of almost you take it with a grain not a grain of salt, but you when you hear stories like from this guy and this very credible person, you're saying, Okay, there is something there, but until I have some kind of tangible way of checking that, it's it's nothing. Whereas this cell phone thing was.

1:01:29 You know, I'm thinking about them going, hey, there is a tangible way of checking to see if there really was some anomaly, and and that would have been I would have been it. So yeah, that's where I'm kind of more. I you know, I'm on the practical side of it. And I even though the experiences that happened to me, I'm I'm also like a big probably a big skeptic on a lot of these things. You know, a lot of these people do the AI stuff and they or they'll take a circle and say Larry is and it's like, well, I don't doubt you, but there's nothing there that you know. And then and then you got to take the person too and to see how much weight you're going to give that piece of evidence.

1:02:18 Whereas if this guy that I'm talking about now, if he shows me a shadow in a an area and he says, hey, this wasn't there, I'm going to be like, Okay, this this guy's got this probably is because he he most likely has another picture that doesn't show it there, whereas somebody else that's you know, that's uh, how would you say, you know, just bigfoot? Everything's bigfoot, got red circles around everything. Yeah, so that is That's very interesting, you know, because I haven't talked to Adam or or Matthew about that experience, but that's one example of a portal experience where things come out of it and then there's another story out of Saddle Blanket Mountain near Oakridge, where Bigfoot reached out of a portal and almost dragged a guy inside of It's a wild one that was documented on a BFRO expedition actually, So I'm just curious if you'd ever heard anything at that, and it sounds like you have. It's just yeah, you know, you want to have the okay to share it.

1:03:26 So yeah, And the good thing about where I got this sound, and actually I got some pictures of tree breaks too, if I could find him, I should have got that with you before. Annon, who knows, maybe we'll do this again. But the place where the sounds are coming from, thankfully, there has been none of the orbs or any of that weird stuff yet. So I'm more comfortable going out there because you know, that just puts you in a whole different realm in a way. And but this other guy that I talked with with the cell phone, he's got an area and it's out in that kind of prospect area where I've talked about before, and he has had that kind of stuff, and he actually kind of made me more of a believer in that, just because he's super super super rational, no no nonsense guy, that just you know, and he he even admits that this is some crazy weird stuff. You know, he says he's seen lights going through he's actually had pictures of it above water and you know, look like a ball of ball lightning one of them, and you know, it described to me some stuff, and but yeah, it's you know, and to me, I try to look at that like

1:05:01 kind of scientifically, like, Okay, let's just instead of just discounting it, discounting these people, let's assume it's real. And let's assume what does it take to create a portal or interdimensional portal or whatever it is. You know, it's gonna be there's gonna be some maybe some electromagnetic radiation, something that can be something tangible that you can probably look for, which I don't know if anybody has. I don't know if anybody's even taken that to these two. Uh, somebody and said, hey, you know, let me take this meter out here and see if we can get any anomalous readings on you know, electromagnetic sensor or something to that type of thing. I'm not I'm not that versed on some of that science, but you know, I read and watch and watch TV so but uh, yeah, there's got to be oh.

1:06:03 There, oh nice, there you go. Wow, Yeah that's big. Yeah he's and he's way back there so I can't even reach him. But anyways, uh yeah he couched potato. But yeah, so I try to look at those things like that that Okay, you know, before I used to just even even believing in Bigfoot or believing in the evidence of Bigfoot too. I believe it because my own encounters, but more importantly, it's the evidence that's at hand. Uh and uh, you know, I used to just dis count kind of that stuff with portholes, and I sometimes I'll still make kind of fun of that, you know, but I still there's there's too many credible people that uh kind of talk that talk about that. So it's like, Okay, there's something here. And then the other part of it is is it actually Bigfoot or is there a separate thing going on here that is just this big Basically Bigfoot has an association with this aliens, dimensional beans, whatever, you know, maybe they're an experiment of theirs. I don't know, you know, because when you look at the Bigfoot solely without that thing, you can almost say it's a it's a unknown primate or or people. I know a lot of people get angry on that too. They'll say they're

1:07:35 not They're not a monkey, they're a they're person. Well, a good, good program to watch. I don't know if you've seen this as it's called Unknown Cave of Bones on Netflix. And no, I have never watched that. Actually watch it. And the reason why I say that is there is a species of these apes. They're almost the size of chimpanzee home on Letti and they found them in this cave system in Africa. And not only did these these monkeys, they found out after a long investigation, that these monkeys monkeys buried their dead and which kind of almost shows that they believed in an afterlife and believed in a in a god. And there was other evidence of that.

1:08:31 There was evidence of them making fire. There's evidence of one of them being buried with a tool, which is incredible, you know, because if something's dead, why is it going to give if it's a monkey or just an ape. You know, you hear that it's not just an ape, Well, these were just an ape and they were using tools and they were burying their dead with a tool, which proves that they believed in an afterlife type of situation. So that's not an ape. That's almost a people, but it is an ape. So it doesn't mean to to say like a Bigfoot was a gigantithipicus or some other ape that's evolved, doesn't mean it's still an ape. But I mean, you know, it doesn't mean just because you're calling it an ape or whatever that it's not smart or isn't just like a person type of thing, if that makes sense.

1:09:30 So I'll have to check that out. That sounds interesting. Yeah, So I because I've had that a lot of times. You know, I start to talk about that, there's some people that kind of get they're like almost offended. No, they're they're forest people and they're not an ape. And it's like, well, you know, I understand that, but there this is this is that doesn't just by saying that it's an ape or not an ape or a evolution of an ape doesn't degrade at all, you know it it's here's evidence of actual apes, yeah, or from way back doing stuff that's incredible. So yeah, that I watched that, I kind of opened my eyes on that subject.

1:10:14 So no, absolutely, Maybe one more more question for you we have a few minutes left. Have you ever gotten any reports from the Diamond Lake area or anything on one eight? Oh yeah, yeah. Okay, yes, yeah. The one In fact, the one guy that I was talking about earlier with all the pictures and stuff was just is in that area pretty much, you know, lots of stuff there. Uh. In fact, I've got a I put myself out there after my second deal this summer, I put myself out on Facebook that hey, you know, I know a lot of people don't want to be considered crazy, you know, and they got these stories and you want to tell them, but you don't want to be on the line light.

1:11:09 I said, telling to me, I don't care if people think I'm crazy. They already do anyway, So but I'm just like telling me, I'll tell you that, you know, I'll try to get out there, tell you stories. And I got a guy out of a shady cove area that's told me in the prospect lots of him. And there's a lady that is out of there that had a face to face when she was up mushroom picking. And then I've had this guy where he had a sighting in his jeep crossing the road and then had it smear the jeep mirrors with mud, muddy handprints. Yeah, really strange. And then I've had another firefighter actually where the helicopters had dropped their food. They would drop it twice a day and something was stealing their food. And one of the girls that was related to him, that was on the fire line. They had to walk this fire line. One of them did every like twice a day, once in the morning or once at night. And they were in the evening and she had a face to face this thing. She was walking up the trail and it was like a stump and it had stood up right front of her and she just looked right at it.

1:12:26 And I still haven't I got to go. I want to go interview all these people and get as much detail as I can because it just just interesting, you know, and there's just so many more, so many more. Wow. I'm glad there's someone like yourself where people feel comfortable enough in that area to be able to talk to That's awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I hope, you know. It's just just let me know, you know, and I'll try to get it out there. So I just wish I My biggest thing is is I tried to well, uh, like you, you're asking a lot of detail. Try to get a lot of detail. And I don't want to mess something up of somebody's story. And I don't want to offend them as far as where the area is, if there's somebody that's doing this kind of stuff. And uh so it's the the that's the the hard part too.

1:13:21 And like I said, they don't want to say something wrong as far as the story. But but there's a lot of them. You know, there was stories when I was a kid. There's one area out here they used to call it the Courtz Creek area. Actually were ride motorcycles all the time. They used to call it the Whistler, the Courtz Creek Whistler. And I remember that when I was a kid. I always thought it was crazy. Now I don't so goodness, that's it's so awesome out there. It's like you can you can find activity pretty much as long as you're near the cascades. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's weird. And then even west, Yeah, yeah it's weird there. There's these these certain clusters I'm noticing of spots and uh some of them are you know, random people say oh yeah, I've hear it, but there's only like I said, this this one spot that I know of, I almost can just put put a hundred bucks on it and say go out at this time, you're going to get something.

1:14:23 And that's where I've been focusing on, trying to get a lot of uh this audio and we're going to try to blanket some of the hillsides and in that area and try to get some really good audio because you know, I hear little bits and pieces of people and like you you're just saying like that's really good, and it's like to me, I'm like, wow that you know, it's not that great audio because I'm hearing all the the the creek and you know, and from what I've from what I've heard, you know, and listened people up there, it's like this is I should be able to get some really really good stuff. So oh see, yeah, we'll see.

1:15:05 Yeah, yeah absolutely. Mark, thank you so much for for hanging out with me uh for a bit today and for sharing what you've experienced and what you've heard, and definitely keep us in the loop with what what happens next down there. It sounds like you've got some really cool plans of uh he's a big guy. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, that's game size bed so hey. Oh wow, so yeah, yeah, thank you so much for coming on today. Mark. You also are okay if individuals want to reach out to you directly, right, that's. Fine, that's fine. I'm okay, perfectly fine with that. And and I think, aren't you. Are you going to be in Oregon in this summer? Yeah? I will.

1:15:56 Before I don't want to miss it. So if you want to contact Mark to sometimes people like to talk to people from the area about their stuff. Poorbanmat gmail dot com. Yeah, I will be in Oakridge for in July. I'll be speaking at Priscilla's Festival, Sasquatch Summerfest, so I will be in there. I'm gonna try to get up there and try to bring him to so I might drive them over home and make a weekend out of it. So we'll see and if I do, I'll see you there. So awesome. Yeah, it'd be great to me. I mean, it's it's uh, it's one of those where you can, you know, camp out and stuff like that, so that's that's pretty cool. But yeah, we'll be in touch Mark and thank you so much.

1:16:40 Okay, yeah, feel free contact Ma anytime. So have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching

1:18:11 for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1:18:53 We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

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