A Stevens County Man Shares 50 Years of Sasquatch Encounters in Washington

0:00 You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Hillbilly today. This gentleman is from Stevens County, Washington, also from around the Hunter's Pass area is another thing that he said I could point out, But Hillbilly's on the show to share some really interesting things that he has experienced in this area over the years. There's going to be a lot in this one. So Hillbilly, sir, how are you doing today?

1:01 I'm doing pretty good, Jeremiah. How you all do? Oh? Doing great. We're just hanging out here in Iowa and it's a pretty good day so far, but man, Stevens County has a lot going on in it, sir. So yeah, you're a lifelong hunter, fishermen, outdoorsman, and you've been in these woods for such a long time out here in Stevens County. I want to say, almost forty years is what you told me? Right? Yes, sir, My wife and I bought this dirt. What's nothing known at six years ago?

1:42 My goodness, Well, he'llbilly, I know you've got you've got some things to share. You've got it all squared away on your side. Feel free to take us back to when you first started realizing there was something going on out there. I guess, okay, well that'll like shee, that's going to be before we bought this dirt. Just to give you a little info here, my dad passed away with massive part attack when I was seven. He was a master mechanic and that was down in the dry Cities, and my mom had ended up moving us as well. She we went to Oregon for almost a year, down in the outskirts of Medford, and she wanted a little farm.

2:29 So we come up to spoken and she bought this old rundown mini farm out and green acres. It was called Believe Were or Not, And that was in winter sixty nine. And let's just fast forward to nineteen seventy one. Mom loves huckleberry's and my grandpa had come to live with us six months after my dad passed away. My grandma passed away, and so Grandpa came up and my mom had heard about this place where there was some nail size huckleberries and lots of them, and so she got the directions and we come up about a well close to hundreds pass let's say, and back in them days, it was just a goat trail. I mean, we had to put our truck and camper into compound first gear to crawl up to what they called the four Corners area.

3:30 And we turned right and that was where all the four corners, probably nine miles from the highway, and we'd come up on about a quarter mile to the right, up on the ridge and lolling bole we found huckleberries. It's kind of sparse, but they were biggin's. And so anyway, Mom parked truck and camper on the north side of that old forest service road right next to a big old moundish shale. In fact, the whole area was a lot of shale up there, and this is a pretty steep embankment, and she was parked about eight foot away from it. I guess backed up there and uh. We picked huckleberries that day and got quite a few, and we all went dead probably around nine thirty ten o'clock at night, and my mom she slept in the overhead of the camper. My grandpa slept in the bed that was up against what you'd call back of the cab, and then I slept on the floor on a cod and I remember correctly, it was about one o'smlock in the morning. A big old bang hit the side of the camper and it rocked that old Chevrolet. I mean it rocked it good. And Grandpa he was first one up.

4:55 And he always wore long johns. We're talking twelve months of the year because he had four circulation and was always cold. And this is in July. And he grabbed his forty four that was laying on the counter and a flashlight and stepped over me and opened the door. By that time I was getting up. He swung that door open, shined the flashlight around. Couldn't see nothing, couldn't hear nothing and go of what was going on. And so we actually stepped down the little steps going out the back of the camper and we're looking around. There ain't nothing there, and it's just, I mean, it's quiet as a church mouse out there. And we're looking and looking, and Grandpa he shines his light on the side of the camper and here's this big old dent up at the very top of it, about twelve thirteen inch diameter, just a big old dent and went in about an inch and it was at the very top. And the next day we'd measured it and it's nine foot from the ground up to that. Well. Next morning, now when we was looking around, he noticed there were too what looks like skid marks coming down that shale hill next to the camper, and he goes, ain't no pair like that around here, you know, And just couldn't, you know,

6:26 couldn't believe that something could get at that high up and we wasn't parked under, no trees, were a branch or something to get it, you know, Just the left is kind of dumbfounded. And I remember him chuckling, saying something about something Missouri white, Missouri wild manners sucking He said, we never thought much about it, and anyway, we ended up finishing up that. It took us two days to get all the various met to MoMA on the can up and make preserves and teas and cams out up. Will fast forward about three months. It was the night before when they had deer season, and once again mean Grandpa and Mom went up to a place close to Waite Slate, which as the cow flies, it came very far from where we was picking Huckleberry's up there at four Corners. And I remember we'd pulled down in this little place and they called it Little Sweden, but all it was was forests and big open meadows and stuff like that. And I don't think there was another anybody camped within oh shoot, probably a half mile of us, at least a half mile. And I remember we got up there about sundown that night, because that was I

7:57 think it was Friday night, and was getting camp set up in that broken day, and it must have been somewhere around ten o'clock at night. Me and Grandpa was outside the camp or Mom's inside getting stuff arranged, and all of a sudden we heard this stream that I'll tell you brother, it was the loudest, most piercing, blood turtling stream you could ever imagine, very high pitched. And my mom poked her head out the camper door and looked at my grandpa, said, Daddy was at a dang panter.

8:43 And about that time it did it again. And I'll tell you, Jeremiah, that stream lasted somewhords in the neighborhood at fifteen seconds long each one of those streams. Now, we never heard nothing after that, but I remember my Grandpa saying, that ain't no cat. They ain't got that much wind. And like I said, it was God. It had to have gone on for at least twelve to fifteen seconds each one of those high pitched You could almost describe it as a woman with a real high pitched boys kreeman at the top of her lungs, but carrying on and on. She never ran out. We never ran out of air that type thing. We never saw anything, never heard anything again after that. But that was the two encounters back and seventy when they both was in seventy one and about three months apart, because we were picking the uckberries in July I think above, and then season I think started in October, so yeah, it was only about three months apart there. Now we're going to have to fast for fast forward. They're up to nineteen ninety.

10:11 And in nineteen ninety my wife and I decided we wanted to buy a piece of ground up in Stevens County and have kids raise him up here, which we did. And anyways, in nineteen ninety I found an ad for forty acres more or less said Stevens County, and my mom was still alive then and she wanted to go with us to look at it. And so we got the direction, told the we're here. We'd meet him on the Hunters Highways that's what we call it. It's actually called a Springdale to Hunters Road, and we'd meet him there and then follow him up where the property was.

10:57 And we got almost all the way here looking around, and she goes, you know, son, this looks awful familiar. And I went, yeah, I think so. I said, we used to come up this road back then. It was a goat trail. I said, we used to come up to Stirt Road and you go up to the top of the ridge up there and pick berries. She goes, that's right, she said, that's that time. That something slammed the dinn at the top of the camper and I go, yes, sir, that's the one. But we ended up looking at the property and I looked over my wife and I said, I don't know about you, but I like it, and she said, let's just buy it. So we actually bought the property that day and decided that we would just buy a manufactured home, put on the property, have a well drilled and uh power. There was a power line already here from decades before, so I didn't have to pay to have the power brought in, but we had to do a set, pick and everything, and we actually was able to move in to a home. And in August we decided we'd live in the camper for a couple of weeks until I got the manufactured owned set brought in there, brought in and set and uh we

12:32 will fast forward a couple of months and uh oh, probably mid September, I think it was. I told my wife, I said, hey, I said, I'm going to walk across that from that field and meador over to the creek because there's a crick only one hundred and fifty foot away from the literally the front door of a house and uh. So, I grabbed my old twelve gage and walk across the field and there's a beaver dam. There was somewheres in the neighborhood of thirty foot long, a big one, and I want to shoot. I'm going to get over that ticket and scooped me up some grouse and I made it about halfway across tent beaper damn and my dame foot slipped or one of those beaver logs kind of rolled a little bit, and I almost dropped my shotgun, and I blurted out off the cloud said, within about a second and a half or two seconds, I got the most ugoggly roar, stream, haror whatever y'all want to call it, of my life. It put instant fear, terror, scaredness, whatever y'all want to call it into me. And I don't know how I done it, but I somehow suther and literally ran off the top of that weaver dam

14:05 and I ran across that field. When I got up into the front yard area, I'm looking, I'm going, if lord, I'm carrying a loaded twelve gage shotgun and running from this thing. And I burst in the front door into the kitchen and laid my shotgun on the table and I'm just I'm out of breath. I'm shaking like a leaf. And my wife looks at me and she goes, what going on? She said, you white as a gold boy, And I said, give me a cup of coffee. And she caught me a cup of coffee and I lit a cigarette and still a shake and I couldn't even pick the coffee up. I taking some bad And then I told her what had happened. And I said, money, I said, I've never in my life hurting anything like this.

14:58 In fact that as we're talking can jere my eye and just getting to do, I'm all over it. It still scared me today, but only that way I can describe it. It almost sounded like an elephant's trunk frost with a lion's roar that just goes on and on and on. I mean it, actually I can remember it vibrated my chest. It was so loud. And after I settled down and thought about it, I told my wife I said, I said that was nothing I've ever ever heard before. I said, I don't know what it was.

15:55 All I know is it put the most spear and terror through me instantly, And it took a few days for me to even think about walking back down yonder and I ended up I had a three hundred weether and I told him the wife. I was like, I'm going to get my rifle. I said, I'm going to walk map down there. And I said I ain't going in there because there's a big thicket there. But I said, I'm going to poke my head around, look and see if I maybe can startle something again. And I started making noise before I got to that beaver dam because I figured, whatever it was, if it's still in there, I'm going to shout out to the cat. And I actually ended up I couldn't get nothing to respond. I actually made my way across that beaver dam and I got into this thicket, and I mean a real thick ticket say that passed of aciphens and that. And in the middle of this area, I walked in probably about thirty maybe forty feet I've seen this area, and all the grass was laid down just I mean mashed right down to the dirt. And I thought, oh, deer beds, But there wasn't no deer scattered nothing there. There was

17:28 nothing at all, just blackened grass. Now, to give you a little rundown on the dirt we got out here. This place sets on an eighty five foot sick slave bed. And in the springtime, when everything's melted and the grounds all soggy, you can take your foot and stomp down hard on the ground and you can see a jiggle like putting six foot away from you. But let it sit for a couple well months in the summer, and grab up a pick axe and with the point of n swing it as hard as you can. You're only going to penetrate background about two inches with a pick axe swung it full force. That's how hard this ground gets.

18:21 So yeah, there was no tracks to speak of of anything. But that was that little experience. And we have to go on a couple of years to I was a mechanic my whole life, and I worked out of in another town. Let's say I ran a shop there and see that was nineteen ninety. Okay, well we'll we'll step forward a couple of years to when my boys were born.

19:07 They were born in the in the middle nineties. And when they got a little older, and that I bought uh TRT bikes worn I mean real young age too. But I taught the matter I had them dirt bikes. Shoot, I think my one son, he was three and a half when I put him along to fifteen, and he'd done them good. But uh, we would go past the property and head up on the mountains a little farther, and there's a spot up there that we call the Moose Ponds. And that's because right next on the uh let's see Robert that I'd be on the west side of the fire road whatever forest road, there's two big, old, huge ponds and you'd always see moose there, so we just kind of nicknamed it the Moose Pawns. And there was a spur road that took off there that ran on the west side of the moose Ponds up and around into a big loop and then come back out to the same road, spur road that you went in on.

20:23 And I'm going to say that little circular road probably covered all somewhere around one hundred and twenty acres, I'm just guessing. And so me and the boys we turned on that spur road on our motorcycle and started riding up. And it was in a late spring, so there was still mud puddles, but the main ground was very good and dry and we come up to this big, old, huge mud puddle, and I saw when I'd always be in the lead and then they'd follow on their little hondas, and we come up with a big mud buttle. On the right hand side of it, I seen a dang footprint.

21:10 So I stopped, put the kicks stand down on the bike, so the boy and walked up there because I thought it was a bear. When I first rode up on it, I thought it was a bear track and knit it got it where your paw into the front pall the way they do, you know, and it kind of makes them look long. But when I walked up to it and looked down at it, and I'm going, it ain't no bear because they ain't no claw marks, And into them toes and them were big toes and they're splayed out. And I told the boys, I said, would you look at that? And there was nothing on the right side because it was hard pan play, but there was just that one footprint there. So I went off and I got a stick and I broke at the length of it, and then I laid the skin sideways across what I think they call it the ball of the foot, or right behind the toes there and I skinned the bark on the stick for the width of it. And we've seen a ridge right in front of what the I guess you'd call the heel, about two inches in front of bats during ridge that went across kind of did not exactly straight across. It was you know, kind of had a dog leg in it. And couldn't figure that out until later when we was watching shows and Jeff Melgram had mentioned that mid parcel white point in the foot. Well. Anyways,

22:42 we finished our ride and we got back home and I took a tape masure that name track was seventeen and a half inches long and seven and a half inches wide at the ball and I started kicking it up, destroying it. And my oldest son through the year older than my youngest, he said, why are you doing that? Dad? He said, they's casting up. I said no, I said, And don't you guys be breathing a word and none of this to your friends. I said, I don't need people up here shooting at anything that moves into brush brush Because I said, there's a bunch of idiots and do just that. I said, let's just keep this to ourselves.

23:25 I said, half the people ain't gonna believe us anyways, you know. And but that was the first time I'd ever seen a crack up here. Now we're going to fast forward, and by this time, boys are twelve years old and they got their hunting license. I got them from brand new rifles. I think one boy at twelve years old carrying at four forty four Marlin. Then together when was carrying a three o eight. But we decided that we was going to go Acros all Star trek and up on the hillside. And we had seen some big bucks come through there in late evening and early mornings and that in the past few weeks. And there was an old road over there that Feller had put in, oh, shoot, probably back in the seventies and that when he did a little selective logging and that. So we'd went ahead and crossed over, got up there and was walking down that road. Now for my house was this area, I mean, shoot, it was straight west of my front door of my house down yonder and uh but uh, oh, I don't know, one hundred and fifty yards maybe, And uh, we're being

25:00 really quiet walking down this road and it's all overgrown pretty good and from riding our motorcycles through there. We knew this one area that was ah it looked like it might have been probably forty well, probably a thirty acre area that had been clear cut out years and years and years ago. And there was a few you know, small pool pines and dove with spur and camerarack growing getting little little thing. So and we had got up and I said, that be really really quiet when we get up here. And I was trying to decide for where I was going to put the boys and then I'd probably walk up and slush out of beer for them.

25:47 But I remember we walked up on that old road and we had no more got to the corner there, and we're just standing there real quietly looking at this hillside to the pretty steep hillside, like I said, around a thirty acre area. And then it was bordered on the south side by a huge, huge thicket that went clear up to the top of it, which I mean it was thick, you couldn't see anything through it. And we'd only been there maybe two minutes. All of a sudden we heard the biggest crop we'd ever heard. Jeremiah.

26:35 For me to describe this, it's gonna sound far fetched, but I can only describe it of It sounded like somebody took a five or six cench diameter log and smacked it as hard as say, we're talking, it'd have to take a machine to do it, and smacked it against about a three foot diameter tree. That's what it sounded like. I mean, it was I ain't no man gonna do it well. And the boys had already been watching shows and that on Bigfoot, and they knew that.

27:16 At that time, I believed it existed. The first time I seen it, I think I was eight years old. It was on the world Er Nightly News or something, right after my box passed away, and they had a little flash of the Patterson Gimblin film on the on the news, and I remember seeing that thing that Caddie, they call it now walking, and I just knew there had to be something in the woods, you know. And uh. But anyway, it stared so bad that we had tiled it out there, and we came back home and remember, I think was my youngest boy got his baseball bad.

28:07 Old Wooden went out and he walks down and he's beating on trees out here, trying to see how loud it was, and it just shoote it didn't even come close to the loud crack that that was. So we'll fast forward a couple of days and the boys didn't want to go back up there, but I told him, I said, look, I said, we all got guns. You stick right with me. I said, let's just sneak back up there. And I said, let's see if we can see tracks or something, her ear or something. And I said, I got a funny lunch. I know what that is.

28:50 And it was two or three days, I can't remember which. Later we ended up walking back up there and tanged it all. Same thing happened. It was within, except it was quicker this time because we actually had made a little emploise coming up to it, we know, more than got to that corner of where we were standing a couple of days before. And here come that big o'd allowed just one, not multiple, just one big o allowed our rustic And I said, yeah, I'm good, let's go. And of course the boys had already turned around, was heading back down on the road and we're going home. Dad, you stay here if you want to. We're going home.

29:34 But uh so that takes care of that now, like I said, I've got piles and piles of different encounters than that we had come across. But we're gonna fast forward a few years. By this time, the boys are already growed up. I'm guessing. Oh shoot, I'm guessing it was somewhere around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, maybe my youngest son and I was out on our by that time.

30:23 We built a new house across the road up on a hill and still on the same property that we've always been, but it was about eleven o'clock at night, and we was talking about engines and stuff and race cards. And after I built over the years, and we're at the end of our deck. It'd be the west end of it. Now. I got a big, old, huge shop that's about four hundred and four hundred and fifty foot down the hill road and it's kind of a meadow week field behind it, and then you come to this little seven acre area that is just solid trees and it's got a seasonal trick pro posts to it and that.

31:17 But we're out there laughing, talking, having a cigarette there on the front porch there at the end of it, and we're hearing something coming out of that thicket behind my shot, and I go listen to that, son, and it sounded like a troop of monkey's plane. I mean it sounded like monkey talk. Not I'm not talking with gorilla drums or anything. I'm talking. It sounds like monkey's in there. And I go, I know, dang well, we ain't got monkeys and these deer woods. And I went, I'm going to try something, and I went and everything went, and then we heard two whoops back along with a grunt.

32:08 My son looked at me and he said, hey, you know what that. Let's go in the house. He said, I don't need to hear no more. And we did. We It spooked us pretty good, so we come back in the house. But it's kind of funny throughout the the years, even up to date. H My sons used to well, like I said, we built dragged cars and drag boats and stuff. And we'd be working in the shop late, I mean late at night, you know, eleven and twelve o'clock, you know, finishing something up, and they'd have the stereo blasting phibizens. Summertime, the doors would be opened, big oak sliding doors and we would hear rocks bunce off the boot to that shop. And and like I said, we the area around here is it's clay. The only rocks that you will find out here was what I paid to have broad ins of the years. But in the seasonal crip you could see rocks, you know, from the worsh out that over the years. But we would hear them rocks bouncing off the roof. And it's a big old king building, you know, at three thousand square foot, I think, so pretty loud inside. We'd grab the flashlights and go out and we'd find small, i'd say, two

33:40 inch diameter rocks where they had bounced off the roof and then you know, rolled down and landed next to the shop. We kind of knew what it was, but I mean, it's spooped us because I thought, you know, she was watched next you know, and but that had happened, you know, quite quite honestly, they there is every year. Well as time went on, the one thing I did notice around here was the fact that we didn't have activity twelve months of the year. Nothing in the wintertime that we ever recollected nothing, I mean nothing. It was like mid to late summer and the fall was when we would see eye shine. We'd hear howls off in the distance and a couple of woods, but it was never in the wintertime. Never did get any activity in the wintertime. And we don't live too awful far from the Spokane Indian Red Station. And I was talking. I know a lot of people there. I used to do a lot of work form that on engines and stuff.

35:03 And uh, I was talking to a couple of old elders and the old one of their rangers, and they said, well, you know, they said they used to follow the tribe, you know, a couple of hundred years ago, because it was kind of like nomadic. They would they called it the food trail, and they said it would usually start around the Spokane River area, and then the tribe would go down to like for the confluence of the Columbian Spokane River is and then they'd follow the Columbia River up to like the Kettle Falls area, and then whatever time of the year it was, they'd come back down to a corridor and that and that was the way the Indians done it back then. They was, you know, followed the food trail. And if you know anything about the Kettle Falls and the highway twenty five River Road along there. Even though we're up in the Huckleberry Mountains, there's orchards up there, there's vineyards, and you know yourself have a growth season like that. You're in the banana belt, So it makes sense that your food is going to be more plentful up that way towards the winter months and that. And I'm thinking because of the fish in

36:35 the river and the cricks and the vegetation in that, Yeah, makes sense to what they was telling me about the way that the Spokane dribe used to travel for their food sources, and that because this all used to be there land in the first place, you know, before the Europeans come in, you stole it away from them. And oh golly, there's just so many stories here at Jeremiah that I know I'm missing a lot, but we're gonna We're gonna fast forward again. I think it was the year of COVID, which, if I remember, I was twenty nineteen.

37:17 My wife and I had a liver board big cruiser that we kept down at two Rivers Marina. They're a confluence of the Spokane and Columbia Rivers and we literally lived on at about sixty five percent of the time. And I remember one day she had a lot of stuff she had to do in Spokane, and I said, and I stayed at home. I said, well, I'm going to pack the truck up, and we were going to go on an eight day cruise up George Cooley Dam and then turn around, come back and go up towards Canada with it fuel providing. It wasn't an economy both by any mean. It had to twin chevrolets in it, and as long as you kept the trottles down on it, you did all right. But she still swallowed up a lot of gas. But anyways, I got a real light start by the time I got foods and everything packed up in the truck, and I left out of here about midnight. Well, my wife' has already gone down, had already been down the boat and was waiting for me.

38:26 And I went across Hunter's Pass. So that's how I used to go across Hunters Pass, over the Hunters the town of Hunters turned on twenty five, and left there on twenty five and then head down to the marina. It was longally thirty five minutes away. Some morning. He lived as long as I kept my foot out of it. But I got across Hunter's Pass. I made it about three eighths of a mile from the summit down the other side, and there come around a left hand corner and there's a straightaway that's like, I don't know too six hundred foot long, maybe seven hundred foot And at the bottom of that straightaway they got one of them reflective curve signs. To the right. Well, ironically, on the uh, well let's call it the south side of the highway.

39:31 There's a trick that goes through there. There's a big old pond out there, there is an old dirt road, and there's a dilapidated cabin in this area. I mean, I don't think anybody lived there in a hundred years, you know. But as I come around that corner and my lights, my lights hit the reflective curve sign. All of a sudden, I'm looking kind of at the bottom of that sign back a few yards. I see what it's done. Paint to laugh. It looks like three skunks hopping across the dang highway. It's going at an angle from left to right, or excuse me, from right to left, at an angle downhill to that towards Zach Creek and Pond area, and I'm going that that can't be And then it dawned on me what it was. I couldn't see any any I mean, it was black. It was black black out that night, dark black. I couldn't see anything of legs, upper body or anything, nothing whatsoever. And I had my high beams on and what I figured it was, or figured out it was as this same step they Since then i've seen that they stepped twenty

41:03 they as they stepped, they raised their feet up really high to the back. What I was seeing was the soles of their feet reflecting off in the headlights, kind of like that sign was. And like I said, it took three steps, which I bought three stone hops, and it was across the road and gone. And that spooked me pretty good. But now in twenty I see it's twenty twenty six. As that happened to. My son was here.

41:43 I'd asked him what here it was, But did come home late one night about eleven thirty twelve o'clock, and he had already been spoofed down there at the shop because it seemed like every time he went down there and open the door, you know, rocks would either hit the back of the shop or bounce off the top. Was nothing violent by any means. They're just like, hello, we're here, you know. And anyways, he pulled up to the house up here and he'd heard his engine. He had heard something of the hood make the noise. So he bopped the hood and was shining his little bitty flashlight down. He saw where he had prayed the serpentine belt on the engine, and it was making a fucking noise. Well, the engine was sitting there running and all of a sudden, there's a little bitty from the size rocks bouncing by him.

42:43 He goes, okay, heck, and he looks and now, Jeremiah, they were not being thrown. They were just being it was almost like this flicking the lumbs or just tossing them. They weren't being you know, mean or nothing like that. And he's gonna, what the heck, And here comes another one lands at the back of his car, and he watches it bouncing the driveway there and here comes another one, and so he shines the light up. And it scared him, Jeremiah, because there was not just two eyeballs reflecting bad back at him, but there was. There were two pairs of him, and they was roughly We ended up measuring it off the next day, roughly eighty five feet back from the driveway and kind of up on the hill. And he come running in the house and I hadn't gone to bed yet, and he said, Dad, Dad, Dad, something's throwing rocks at me. I go, what do you mean, throwing rocks?

43:49 He said, something's throwing rocks at me. And I've seen eyes shining back. So I grabbed him an odd six that I keep mustached in the corner just for uninvited guests, and uh, I grabbed that, and he had his little flash light. We stepped out there and the porch light from the car port. I think it's what was reflecting their their eyes, because it did. It almost looked illuminated. He said, right back there, and we had to step out to his car to see around this one bull pine and sure enough, it looks like and I'm exaggerating on the diameter, but it looked like two fifty seven board tail lights, so one on the each side of a pine tree looking back at us, except they were I'm going to guess, probably as big around as a pop can. Uh. Probably what two in a quarter inch diameter or something like that. The two pairs were separated by another bullpine. It was about twenty five foot tall.

45:01 Now we could see the outline of the creatures. We couldn't make a definite, you know, I couldn't tell you what their faces looked like. We could only see an outline in the moonlight. And I did something that I really regret, I really do, because they weren't being honoring. They weren't, you know, if they if they wanted to kill that boy, all they would have had done was to probably take four or five steps and he would have been a lunch And I really feel bad for what I've done. But Jeremiah, if I may said I was scared, you might say I was scared to death.

45:48 And I threw that off six up. I said, keep your light on it. It was just one of these little bitty pen lights that didn't shine much. And I wasn't gonna kill him. I just wanted him gone. I wanted them gone. You scared me, You've done your deal, get out of here. And so I shot above each one's head, which happened so fast, and then I've regretted it, But yeah, they turned tail and run and we could hear them. We could hear the ground thuds and that, and Jake shut his hood, shut his car off, and we just went back in the house. And next morning we went out there in broad daylight and took a tape major with us, and I said, you stand over yonder behind your car, and I said, you remember where each one of them eyeballs was, right, and you go down.

46:43 And I said, I'm gonna stand over here at the tape major, and you tell me where about was each set of eyeballs. So I went to the lowest side first, and needle to say, these these pairs of eye balls was about eight foot apart. One was standing on the bottom side of the tree. The other one was standing on the other side. The one on the bottom side of the tree, we figured when he had me stop the tape, we figured it to be nine and a half foot the one on the upper side where the eyeballs was, because the eyeballs looked right straight across from each other, but there was a difference in altitude on that little hillside there eight put apart kind of steep, and so we figured that the one that was standing on the top side was somewhere around eight feet because of the the lay of the land there, But that was outside of what I saw was three stumps hopping across the Hunters Road there on the other side of Hunter's Past. That was the I guess you'd say the second visual encounter was out right there with them too.

48:02 And like I said, Jeremiah, I've had a lot of time to think about it, and I've told my wife, I don't know how many times I said, I just I feel so bad because they weren't doing nothing wrong. I think they were just having fun time, trying to get my boys attention and say, hey, we're here. How y'all did you know? And but I regret shooting above their heads. I really regret it because, like I said, they wasn't doing nothing wrong. So let's fast forward. And like I said, I know I'm missing a bunch here at Jeremiah. But let's fast forward to just a few short months ago. It was first week of October. I'd already put my boat away for the winter time that gang thing sunk. I had traded it didn't or I'd traded another boat in on my big one, because I have my body is so destroyed the back back and surgeryes and everything that I couldn't even maintain it. So I took another boat in on trade on it and things some the first day out, but we retrieved it and got our all fixed back up. But uh, my buddy has a sixteen foot out board, which you don't

49:33 have to win arise, and with their self training and that and to keep taking out and ten blow zero and go fishing, well, we decided to go over to uh the Columbia River do some fishing. Well. We put in there and hunters. We used that boat launch. Now I'm not going to tell y'all exactly where it was, but I'll say this. It's on the west side of the river. It's all in the Paulville Indian Reservation side, let's call it. We'd only been out about half hour because we'd we went ahead and spread across and got over to that side, and we'd already we'd been sold and already for god an one hour or so. And then we'd went up to this other little spot where there's a couple of colds, and so we spun the boat around and I was letting. I used lead line when I'm going deep and we're about one hundred and twenty five maybe one hundred and fifty foot off from the shore, and we're back up in this hidden kind of cold area, and I was letting the lead line out and I got I think it was four or five colors let out, and I slammed the brake shut on it and put a cigarette on my lips and lit it and happened to glance up on the the bank.

51:02 Now this bank area is virtually vertical because it's been eroded, you know, by the Columbia River, and so you got a vertical bank and it went up probably thirty five forty feet and now mind you were about one hundred and twenty five to one hundred and thirty five somewhere around there foot out from bink, and I happened to glance up on the top where the erosion area went on and continued uphill to a small ridge and then dropped off and went down on the other side, which formed another ridge to go up, and I'd lit my cigarette.

51:45 I'm looking up. At about that time I go, what is that? And about that time the fishing partner saw where I was looked at and looked up there, and we just froze. We just froze. And I couldn't tell you how many said. It was just a matter of a few seconds. And it's really hard to describe because I couldn't believe what I was seeing at first. When we finally realized, mind you, at this time, both of our phones are laying in the seats, and we were both so shocked that do you think we even thought about trying to get a picture of it. Our phones was last thing on our minds. We're just staring at this thing. And to describe it, it was not It wasn't a deep brown. It was kind of a light brown, completely hair covered. I'm talking face and everything. And later on my partner kinds talking and I joked and I said, I know what we saw. I said, that would Cousin.

52:54 It off the Adams family. He said, you know, he says outside of Cousin had part of a neck. I think you're right, and we're just trying to go, well, you know, hunt the season's here in a week or two. This is what they call no man's land on the Calville tribe. There ain't no houses. I don't even think they've been a road over there in fifty years. And we're just going what could that have end? Because it actually it only took a few seconds when we looked, when my eyes had met it and his eyes had met it. This thing, the whole body was like it was on a lazy Susan. Now, mind you, because it was standing on the other side of that small ridge.

53:44 We couldn't see all at least from halfway up to the hip. We couldn't see that. We couldn't see the bottom up. We couldn't see no legs or nothing. All we saw was probably the top and I'm probably exaggerating it, the top two thirds of it. We couldn't even see arms. It was like, like I said, it was like looking at cousin it. But you could see the whole thing turned and it made about four steps, and it was making those steps. It was actually going down because of that little ridge area and then going down into a provssa or whatever you want to call them, a little a mini allar how that and it stopped. The body turned what we could see the I guess you called it the shoulder area, turned back, looked, turned back around, and then disappeared. Made its way into the timber land from that little area. But when we got home, Jeremiah, I even went online. I thought, couldn't that have been a guy at a gilla suit? You know, because I seeing gilly suits, real expensive ones that kind of looked like that. But my partner and I couldn't figure out why, by happen stance there would be a feller in a gilly suit in this area kidden from the main Columbia

55:19 back in the colause there was we were the only uh truck and boat trailer in excuse me, the parking lot that day. We were the only ones there and so, uh yeah, it was midweek and we're just rackinger. Could it have been somebody in a guilly suit? And I'm going, man, I said, I don't think so, because I said, why would somebody be standing out there in a gilly suit with the happenstance of some two idiots in a fishing boat just happened to get back into this hidden haller to drop the lines, And so I said no, I said, I don't think so. I said, I think it was the name squad and I said it was broad daylight.

56:10 It was now once again uh yard aage away from us being so we was that far out in the water, and like I said, I'm just gonna we will use one hundred and thirty five feet away from the bank. It was in seventy foot of water. Where it was was right at I'm gonna say one hundred Darling, one hundred and seventy five to two hundred yards Jeremiah. So no, we we wasn't that close and personal. But you could see that it was well, you could see the color for sure, and it looked mad at you know. But what was weird was the fast that the hair just covered its entire face and it was a nicole large heads setting on top of shoulders that it all just tapered down from the point of its head clear out to it what you'd call shoulders. It just tapered, tapered down.

57:17 It wasn't like the Neanderthal one that folk see. And needless to say, I have suspected that there because I have, you know, I've been you know, learning about these triers and that for decades, and I've heard so many different descriptions. I've heard of descriptions where they look like an ape. I've had descriptions where they look like a Neanderthal. I've had descriptions of just various types, and I'd come to the conclusion that there are maybe just different species of sasquatch.

58:04 And it was kind of confirmed because I was listened. I don't know if it was your podcast or another that I was listening to, but they had a civil engineer that worked with Areonautical Department. I mean he actually worked with NASA. Oh yeah, mister Kombo probably is who you're talking about. Is it where he decided that there was like three types of sasquatch? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, brother, I'm thinking there's different types because you got ones that people swear up and down with a gorilla now personally. And you know that picture of the red orange thing down in Florida that they call the swampy. It's been around so many decades, if you ask me, that is an orangutan that was escaped from one of them sues that was run down and they are placed where they took the animals from circuses. Now when they're getting all that that just has I mean it looks like an orangutand of me, I mean here and simple. But now when you start talking about the creators that are getting up there, so it's nine foot tall have different stories. Absolutely, I really that that fella there, I really can believe that he was honest something when he come up with the three or four types of them creators. I myself now

59:34 when it comes to the dog man, I think that's just a demon from hell, to be honest. With you, I mean, there's nothing good about that. There's one hundred percent nothing good about that guy. So, but I got a question for you about your your sighting, if you mind. So after you saw that, what was your emotional state like for the rest of the day. Now the one for my money and I was fishing. I have had no fear whatsoever. I tell you what I was calm cool. I was the kool aid kid man. I was just calm, cool and collected. I wasn't one bit scared. In fact. After that, and when it disappeared, we ash and grew in our kinds and pulled the boat back up to one COVID. I'm looking for tracks, because I said, I got a puny of other kid might have been down here getting some fisture from crawdads in one of these coves and that, and we put the boat. No, I had absolutely no fear whatsoever unlike the ones that we've seen that offer our driveway and the one that bellard at me, which I never saw it.

1:00:51 It put the fear of God in me, to be honest with the Jeremiah, the ones out here, the I took. The part that scared the rap out of me was the fact of how big the outlines were. Because these things were huge. They were they were enormous. They were huge, Jeremiah, and I think that's what scared me out there. And like I said, I felt I felt like the smallest man on God's green earth when I shot above their heads, and it was it was out of fear because of the size of them. I mean, good God, it'd be like standing next to a freight train, you know, just huge. Uh.

1:01:35 My wife and I now, well see, like I said, I really should have been looking through my notes because I've missed about half of it. My my, my beautiful wife, and I was at the top of our property and I was showing her where i'd cleaned up for uh. We'd had a bunch of old cars and stuff that and I wanted to get him out of here, and uh, I cleaned up the series and she was showing me where she wanted me to put in a track for the four wheeler for the grandkids. So we got three grandkids who lived with us. And oh, that's another story. I'll tell you they actually seen one. But anyway, we're up there. We just got out of the little pick up and we had started to walk towards the tree line a little bit and we got hollered at. Now, it wasn't as loud or as long as the one that got me back in nineteen ninety down by the beaver Dam, but it bowardered that it was that dumb elephant trunk lion roar. And my beautiful wife looked at me and she said, I don't think we should be there.

1:02:49 I said, yeah, let's go, and we got in the trunk come back down to the house. But last summer, last summer, and I can't remember because we tried to spend our summers in the motor home down at a very special place on the river, so we're not here a lot. But it had to have been, oh shoot, it had to have been the last of June or the first of July. I honestly can't can't put my finger on it. But the two year old was in the house of Gramma, and at that time they were six or five and six, and now they're six and seven.

1:03:39 But I have a thin skin, small front yard, chain length dated and they've got their swing sets and their yard toys and all sorts of fun stuff for kids out there, and it's attached right to our front covered deck and that way, you know, no triggers can get into them or nothing like that, you know. And I'm talking you know, kyles, cats, what have you, which we we've got plenty of around here. But the u my granddaughter and grandson started screaming and they both shots up.

1:04:23 There's gonna rip scream door off the front of the house, come in screaming that they saw bigfoot. They saw bigfoot. And I'm relaying this from what Grandma and the kids told me. I didn't get home for shoot. It was a couple hours later when I got home and was telling me about it. But they had, uh. The two of them was in the front yard on the trampoline and they was facing the neighbor's property, which is about six five hundred and fifty foot away, and they saw a bike beedle and they just said he's running by able a man dad or a hair covered man Grandpa, And it came out of the timber on that side, ran across the field here and then into the timber on the north side. It didn't stop, it didn't slow down, it didn't look at him, they said. But my granddaughter actually drew a picture of it, and it kind of reminded me of the By looking at it, it kind of reminded me of that gim One film and that.

1:05:45 But I knew I was forgetting something here. We have not been the only ones that had sightings during the day. This is an important one. We got neighbors. It has a farm to the south of US. I can't tell their names. And since then she was scared so bad that they ended up selling the farm and moving because she got so scared. One morning, about nine o'clock, she was vacuuming her living room and her floor started vibrating. Her husband's on me this later on, and it was like something taking big, huge steps, but it was vibrating the house, and she reached old us the vacuumed off, and just happened to glance out the window when all she could see was a huge left arm and part of a left bigh and leg area. The window didn't go high enough, and the thing was only about eight foot from their from her window, so she couldn't see the head, and she couldn't see the feet, but she saw like from the shoulders down to the knees and then big huge hands and arms swinging. It walked past their house. Now I know she wasn't seeing things because at that time, my mother in law was living here with us, and about nine o'clock that morning, she was

1:07:18 out on the porch swing having a cigarette, and she was staring at the neighbor's pasture where they keep callus in that and she saw this. When I got home, she told me. She said it was about nine o'clock and she saw a big, huge brown creature come down lower its head to get under the one tree that's in the middle of the neighbor's pasture and they keep that trimmed up seven and a half feet by the way. She said, this thing had to stoop over to clear it with its head, And she said she only sought for a few seconds because it was moving so fast, taking really long steps. And she said it was just a matter of a few seconds and it disappeared into the tree. Line and gone. And that night my neighbor's husband had called me and said, but I got to come down and talk to you. And he came down and told me what his wife had seen and felt.

1:08:25 And I says, and I won't say his name. I said, well, she's not crazy, I says. My mother in law seen the same bag about the same time this morning, walking down through there, I said, it Lord has had to make it under your tree. And we went up there to see if they was any We drove up into his pastor up there to see if there was any footprints. There was actually no prints, but you could see it where something flattened the grass down and that. But you know, like I was telling you earlier, this hard band play around here, and when it dries up, you can't put a big accent in it. But yet in April March you can stump on the ground. It's gonna bubble up, you know. Six seven put away from me and did like a big old mola pudding hill billy.

1:09:19 What was the year that that happened again with your neighbor and your mother in law. I'm gonna have to say that was around twenty sixteen. Okay, wow, oh, my goodness. It scared her so bad that they ended andy. I'll tell you, I didn't think these people would ever move. BA spend thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars. He was a carpenter, per se, and they he took an old rundown farmhouse house and he built the most beautiful I mean the most beautiful dollhouse out of it, and his farms and everything. Uh okay, it's probably the most beautiful home out here. And they just turned her back on it and they sold it. They got a good price out of it. And I still see him ever now. And in fact, I just ran into him a few days ago there in Deer Park, Washington. And but they bought a uh farm time to the what would that be? That would be the northwest of Deer Park.

1:10:41 And I said, good lord, neighbor, what would you think? And I said, they call that Bigfoot Valley. There's a place uh there in Clayton, Washington. They called Bigfoot Valley only because guess who's been seen out there a few decades ago? You know what? Wow, Oh, my goodness. They haven't had any visitors since then, since they got rid of this place. He said, no, he said. He said that just he said, and I won't say her name. He said, she's never been the same. Oh. Absolutely, it was scared.

1:11:24 That bad hill Billy. You have lived a incredible life when it comes to having to deal with strange encounters on your property and having that sighting. Thank you so much for sharing what you've experienced. Well, you know, my friend, I planned to be honest with Yes, there was a point in time in my life I was and it was for the wrong reasons, and I'm ashamed of it. But there was a point in time in my life, and I think my boys were about ten, I was planning a hunting trip, if you know what I mean. I planned to kill one.

1:12:09 And it was for all the wrong reasons. It was for monetary value. I was gonna make my family rich. They did have any drag boat race car they wanted, you know. But it was after Cliff Brockman was talking about family units, and all of a sudden, it was like somebody dumped a buck bucket of hot water over me and I did a three sixty, I mean for one eighty, whatever you want to call it. I had a different change of attitude. I went, no, my god, what was I thinking? Why would that? I said, I'd be like somebody like them hunting me or my family.

1:12:59 I said, no, these are forest people. The Indians are all these correct, these are forest people. They've been here longer than any of us as to what they are. I have my ideas, but even that I'm suspicious on. I just don't know. But I know this, I don't want to mess with. I just want to leave them alone. If anything, I want to protect them. And I'm ashamed of myself for ever ever thinking of killing one, or for even shooting over their heads because of my stupidity being scared. I just it's shameful and I'm sorry I've ever done it. I'm sorry I ever thought about hunting one.

1:13:44 Well, I think the important thing is you made the right choice and you turned turned it, turned it around, as you said, And thank you so much for coming on the show. And we'll definitely have to to keep in touch. It sounds like there could be other things going on around area, so but thank you so much for coming on. He'll belly. Yeah, you got to remember too, this area had a major, major, major fire go through here a few years back that went all the way from west end of the Spokane Indian Reservation clear up to Juela, and I think it burnt one of the main corridors for them because it We just don't have as much activity as we used to, but we still do, if you know what I mean.

1:14:33 Absolutely absolutely, Well, thank you again, sir for chatting. We will definitely be in touch, sir. That sounds good, my brother, and thank me. Let me tell this, like I said, I was going to take most of it to my grave with me. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say, sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots

1:16:08 to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little a little help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge just year we can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before.

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