Aggressive Bigfoot Encounters of West Virginia

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I'm still looking down the barrel of
this thing, and it starts to grimace

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and starts to growl at me,
a very deep, low growl, and

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it takes a step towards me at
that point. And at that point,

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I put my thumb on the hammer
on the rifle that I had and to

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take that second step. And when
it took the second step, I pulled

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the hammer back to a talk where
all I had to do is squeeze the

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trigger. And now I'm looking down
the slight this thing, and I have

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a slight squarely on its nose.
It heard that click either You listen to

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page for Society. I've taken far
too much of your time so far,

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so let's get on with the show, all right. Big for Society got

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the privilege of talking to a gentleman
who reached out to me. His name

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is Old Bear, from the great
state of West Virginia. How's it going

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today, Old Bear? Oh,
it's going pretty good. That's great.

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Can you share what part of West
Virginia you're from? Yeah, I live

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nearly state capital, Charleston, Litnia. Perfect. We were talking a little

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bit before this interview. You sent
me some info and it sounds like you've

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been researching this creature for quite a
long time. Yeah. My journey started

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back when I was sixteen years old, had a sighting of a bigfoot from

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about twenty feet away. And that
despite my interest in this in two bigfoot,

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the type of sighting that I had
was I was deer hunting. Actually,

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I was sixteen year old kid,
first time my father ever letting me

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go by myself. When I was
deer hunting during deer season and it was

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a lightful season here in West Virginia. And this thing walked out from a

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boulder at about twenty feet away and
it was chasing some deer, and as

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a sixteen year old kid, I
thought the sounds that it was making before

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it came into view sounded like white
tail buck and I already had a rifle

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up to my shoulder, and when
I stepped out, I was, what

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in the world is that? Can
you describe those sounds for people that aren't

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familiar with what those sounds are?
Yeah, it was a grunt. That

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was the sound that it was making, and that's typically what a white tailed

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deer does. A male deer when
it's chasing goes when they're in their breeding

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season, which is usually in the
fall, and this was in December,

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and it just it was making those
noises. And I'm thinking, because I'd

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already seen three days come out and
they were they looked like they'd been run

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pretty hard. So I thought,
I'm a kid, I don't know about

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these things. I don't know there's
a big foot in the world, doesn't

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know nothing about them, never seen
one, my family never talked about it

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and wasn't in the know of bigfoot. And those noises sounded to me like

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a wait till buck running because it
was following those that were in eat.

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And when it stepped out at twenty
feet. It was a complete surprise to

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me, except for the year before
I had seen the movie about the Bigfoot

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in Arkansas, and I watched it
with my dad and I'd asked the dad

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as that real Dad said, no, I've never seen anything like that,

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and they're not that's just Hollywood.
That was his explanation. Is Boggy Creek

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probably, Yeah, Yes, it
was the Boggle Creek monster. And it

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didn't look like the Boggy Creek Monster. It didn't have super long hair all

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over face, and it had long
hair on it. But the thing was,

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it was sixty degrees that day,
which is warm for that time of

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year around here. And I'm sitting
there in a flannel shirt and an orange

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vest with an orange hat on blue
jeans and sitting on the ground with a

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rifle and this thing steps out and
the rifles at my shoulder, and all

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I'm doing is looking down the barrel
of rifle at this thing, going,

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oh Lord, what in the world. I don't know what. I don't

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know what you are. But don't
look at me, don't hear me.

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It was the thought going in my
head at the point, And at that

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point it slowly turned towards me,
and when it turned towards me, the

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facial expression on it, it looked
like a early type of human, not

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modern, but looked really human.
And it looked at me like where'd you

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come from? Because it raised its
eyebrows and then opened its eyes up and

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the eyes were cold black. And
this is two point thirty three o'clock in

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the internet. And at that point
it I was scared, But through being

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raised up in the woods and as
a young kid and having an older brother

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that was in the military, I
knew to keep my emotions at bay as

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best I could because this is a
situation. I don't know if it's going

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to be life or death. I
don't know if it's going to be you

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know, this thing's going to come
up there and knock me into next week.

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So I'm still looking down the barrel
at this thing, and it starts

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to grimace and starts to growl at
me, a very deep, low growl,

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and it takes a step towards me
at that point, and once it

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took that step, I thought in
my head, this thing's will come up

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here and harm me. I'm sixteen
year old kid, I'm a pretty big

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kid because I played football and did
all that stuff. And at that point

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I put my thumb on the hammer
on the rifle that I had and to

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take that second step. And when
it took the second step, I pulled

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the hammer back to o'clock where all
I had to do is squeeze the trigger.

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And now I'm looking down on the
slight thing, and I have a

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slight squarely on its nose. It
heard that click, and then it stood

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a little more erect because when it
walked out, it was hunts forward,

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knees bent, and it had it
was hunting the same as I was,

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just I had to be choosy about
what I did or what animal that I

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could shoot legally at that point,
and once it started to take that second

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step, and I pulled the hammer
back, and that click, and it

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was very quiet. In the words, there wasn't even a chipmunk or a

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swirl or a bird making any kind
of sound. And at that point,

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once it heard the click, it
perked up a little bit and looked at

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me, and it stopped growling at
me, and then it was showing its

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teeth when it growled at me,
and it closed its mouth and then it

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started turning it's up a body looking
for a way to get out of there,

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and it finally went back the way
that it came. And at this

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point, whenever it disappeared and I
could hear it running off, I stood

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up and started towards the road,
which i was just two benches which were

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two flats off from the road.
And I got to the road and I

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didn't hear it anymore, and then
it screamed at me. I would have

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to say probably two hundred yards or
more away. And when it screamed at

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me was when I started losing it. I'm sixteen years old, I'm the

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big kid football. The back then, you were taught men don't cry,

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men don't get upset, and that
was an attitude that I had. But

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at that point I was completely scared, intimidated because this thing was seven a

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half eight foot ball. It was
broad in the shoulders, probably three and

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a half four foot across the shoulders, long hair, and it was is

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not happy with me. So I
went back to where my dad had parked

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the vehicle we were in, and
my dad was coming out the road and

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he looked at me and he said, what in the world was that noise?

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Is that somebody out there doing something
some kids or something like that.

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I don't want to talk about it. I just got to go home.

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And my dad looked an't He said, no, you We're gonna hunt until

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he gets dark. And I said, Dad, I want to go home

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now. And by this time,
it's after three o'clock and he's and we'd

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only been there a few hours and
he's doing what happened, and I'm not

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talking about it. And I went
to the back of the vehicle and unloaded

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my rifle, put it in the
guncase, took my desk to that off

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being, got into passenger seat and
locked the door. And my dad come

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over and he's you're serious. I
said, yeah, I want to go

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home. He unloaded his rifel,
got dry receipt and said what's going on?

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And he kept asking me, and
I'm like, Dad, didn't you

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go home? And we started back
out the road and had to go right

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past where this had just happened.
And when I reached that point, I

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started crying and my dad looked over
and he said, what are you crying

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for? Dad? I don't want
to talk about it. I don't know

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how to explain this. And we
got out on the blacktop. His son

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is sitting besiding pretty much balling like
a little kid. Dad was worried.

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It took us an hour to get
back to the interstate. And once we

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got on the interstate, he said, you're going to tell me what's going

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on. And when he said that, and then in turn it he said,

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I knew that I had to answer
him and tell him what was going

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on. And I told him.
And the only thing he said to me

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when I got done was don't tell
you mother or your grandmother. And that

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started the law. Thirty nine years
of knowing about Bigfoot, and it's been

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a long process to trying to figure
out what these creatures are. Are they

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harmful to humans? And it's been
a long road, a lot of miles

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walking through the hills of West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio in other states here

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in the Southeast. In the research
that I've found for these creatures, I've

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found that most of them don't want
nothing to do with us. They don't

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want to interact with us, they
don't want to be bothered with us humans

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because we're dangerous. Most times,
when somebody sees won they've got a gun

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or they got some kind of weapon. In their hand typically when they went

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into humans, whether it's spring,
summer, or fall or winter, and

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they don't want anything to do this. They've been shot at for hundreds of

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years here in the US alone and
across the world, and they're afraid of

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us, most of them are.
But I've also found there's some out there,

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bigfoot out there that kind of want
to turn us into dinner. And

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I've had a couple of a few
experiences with those types, and it's always

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been a struggle to survive. And
because they're so big and powerful and they're

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so aggressive, and the way that
they do things, it's always like they're

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a military unit, and that's how
they act. Even the ones that don't

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anything to do with is they act
more like there is a general which I've

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found out over the years is the
big male Alpha, and what he says

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goes, and the klan does what
he says, and it's it can be

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dangerous if you get too close to
them. They let you know. They

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may show theirselves, or they may
make screams or howls or whatever, and

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they throw rocks most easily you make
thoy rocks. They don't try to hit

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you, but when you're too close, they make thow rocks and hit you

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with them, not enough to kill
you, but get you to leave.

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And it's been like that ever since
I got started going out in the woods

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and walking around trying to find footprints
and hair and all this stuff. And

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I've found all that. It's just
over the years, I found out no

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matter how much you bring in,
science is not going to do anything about

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them or list them as real until
science has one on a metal table somewhere.

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That's an incredible first encounter old ver
to have. After you told your

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father, he said not to tell
your grandmother and your mother. Do you

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think he ever had an experience himself
or why do you think he didn't want

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you to tell those certain individuals about
what happened. He told me that because

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if I told, if it got
to Mom and grandma, because my grandmother

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was his mother, and if I
told Mom, that's his wife, and

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the women of the house don't have
a lot of say so from generations before,

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but if it's something that's going to
harm their children or possibly harm a

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grandchild, they can overrule Dad.
And it was a very hearing experience for

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me, and it affected me for
quite a long time. And I actually

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quit hunting because of it for about
three years. And I didn't go.

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I didn't go with my dad and
my brothers. They still would go,

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and I'm like, no, just
don't feel good, or I just I

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got I got schoolwork to do.
I'd make excuses and wouldn't go. And

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my dad knew it. But if
mom and grandma knew what happened, none

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of us would have been going hunting. Ever. Again, my older brother

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had a wife, I'm pretty sure
that would have affected. They would have

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been She would have been told and
that would have been in the himbling.

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And the same with mom. You're
not taking my boys out in the woods

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and these things are out there,
They're not going to be You're not going

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to get one of my kids killed. And Dad was the boss, but

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Mom can exert her boss and Dad
would have to listen. Sometimes in stories

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like this accounts, it comes out
that other relatives themselves have had encounters that

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the was that the case in your
family that you found out along the way

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that other people had seen things as
well. Yeah, it took me thirty

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years to find out that my dad
and my uncle they heard screams one night

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and they were out fishing and camping
on a river here in West Virginia,

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not far from where I had my
encounter, and they heard screams and something

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came around the camp that they had
set up that night, and they had

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seen these things, seen one walk
between the camper because they hit a sliding

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camper at the time, and it
walked between the camper and the fire that

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they had outside. And they never
said a word about it to anybody.

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And my dad told me that thirty
years later. Okay, so your encounter

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happened in early seventies, correct,
because that would have been around the time

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that Boggie Creek came out. No, it was nineteen eighty four. Nineteen

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eighty four, okay, yeah,
And I've never heard of the movie The

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Legend of Boggy Creek until the year
before. And it came on Saturday night.

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It was one of those back then
they had movies they would play on

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Saturday nights around nine or ten o'clock, and it was always a scary movie.

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Gotcha, it was Bellawood see as
Dracula or Frankenstein or something like that.

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And they made they had that movie
on on Saturday night and we watched

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it and it was just one of
those things. You saw it and it

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was like it was scared it.
It scared me, and my dad would

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was now that's their big deal.
It's don't worry about it. That's not

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real. It's just Hollywood. It's
like draculent in Frankenstein. So you said

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that your experience, in your father's
experience happened in similar areas. Is that

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an area that are you able to
share. Was it near a certain river

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or state forest or anything like that
for context for listeners, Yeah, it's

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near the Little Kanal River. It
seems like that is a corridor what I

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found over the years, they tend
to follow that river between Ohio and the

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eastern mountains here in West Virginia where
it originates. Can you repeat that name

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one more time? Sorry, the
Little Kanall River. Okay, Little Kana

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River. Interesting. I'm sure there'll
be a few listeners that will be interested

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in info like that. You have
your experience and then for a few years,

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definitely you're not going into the woods, you're not going hunting. Was

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there a point that you transitioned more
into someone that you were trying to figure

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out? Okay, what's what is
this creature that I saw? Or how

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did that come about that you started
looking into bigfoot over these years after you

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had your experience. After about three
years, my dad told me on a

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Friday night, tomorrow, you're going
with me. And I'm like, Dad,

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I know you're going hunting. I
don't want to go. You know

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what happened, he said, I
don't want to hear it. I enjoyed

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going hunting. You can go with
me tomorrow, stay with me the whole

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time and not have to worry about
But this point, I'm nineteen, I'm

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over eighteen. I'm nineteen years old. And it was you're going with me.

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You're a grown man. You can
deal with this. It's no big

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deal. So I went with him, and I tried to make excuses.

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He wouldn't let me stay at the
truck, and it was a family outing.

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My older brother was there, my
younger brother, my brother in law

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was there. There was five of
us, and I went with my dad

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and walk with my dad all day
and we talked and that kind of helped

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a lot to get back out in
the woods. And at that point,

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I was like, Dad, I
really want to find out what this thing

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is. And he's found out and
let me know At that point I got

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interested in trying to figure out what
these creatures were. And I started going

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out on weekends and stuff because at
this point when I had time home,

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because I did things back then,
I was into I had went and was

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doing things in the military, and
when I would come home, I would

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go looking around here in West Virginia. And it kept progressing from that point.

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I needed to know more about these
things. I need to find them,

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I need to know where they are. And I kept looking, and

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I kept making mistakes and kept failing
at it. Couldn't find them, couldn't

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find foot prints. And finally,
after I was about twenty three twenty four

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years old, I ran into a
guy here in West Virginia that kind of

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took me under his name and told
me he knew about him for folly plus

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years because he seemed he was a
young man of about I think twenty four

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to twenty five years old, and
he told me he is an encounter and

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I was like, wow, that's
amazing. You had a pretty docilid encounter

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who you started looking into these And
he was an old countryman, a country

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boy, and he just he knew
the woods and he kept finding them and

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kept finding prints and kept seeing them, and he took me under his wing

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and showed me what he knew,
and then we started seeing him and he

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would get reports from places here in
West Virginia, in the eastern part of

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the state, in Greenbrier County,
Randolph County, Penden County, Okahontas came

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and we'd go to those places and
we look around and see what we could

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find, and he would consistently find
them. We would find deer carcasses where

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they evidently killed a deer and stripped
it clean, and it could be other

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animals doing it, but you would
find you wouldn't find sharp tooth marks,

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you wouldn't find knife marks in them, or a person would kill them and

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then cut the meat up and everything
like that. You would find a carcass

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that was ripped apart, and it
was a sign that it had to be

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a creature that was able to rip
their legs off and break their necks.

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We found quite a few at that
time with their heads their necks completely broken

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and ripped apart, and he took
me uner his wing. I was with

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you about five or six years,
and we went out on an investigation of

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some aggressive bigfoot and while we were
out on that investigation, It's the middle

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of January, and he disappeared,
and that was a pretty tough time he

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disappeared. Yeah, he was never
found. I found his hat three weeks

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later at the entrance to a cave
with a rock stuck on top of it,

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and that's all that I ever found. Can you share this gentleman's name

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at all? Yeah, his name
was Robert Henderson. Henderson. What time

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frame would that have done. That
would have been in the late nineties,

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late nineties, around ninety four ninety
five. Maybe because I'm mining. I

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was nineteen twenty years old when I'm
mining, And when he disappeared was when

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I was twenty five. I'd gotten
married, and right after we gotten married

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is when he disappeared. What do
you think happened to him? I think

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Day grabbed him because the man was
seventy five feet from me. I had

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walked up behind a tree and was
using the bathroom and when I stood when

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I stepped behind from the tree,
he's nowhere in sight. The big foot

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in that area had kept hunters out
of that hollow and off that ridge that

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ran around the hollow for evidently for
quite some time. And people wouldn't go

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in there, and we went in
there, and I came out alone,

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and he called the state police and
was told it was a bear attack.

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And that was the narrative that I
was told. Was there anything that told

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you from what you saw that was
a bear attack or no. I've hunted

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bear pretty much most of my dot
life and never ever we had a black

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bear in the state of Westginia.
And a grizzly bear will drag you off

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for short ways or just they covered
you over with some dirt and or ford

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forced litter and go short ways away
from you and wait and then feed on

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you from then on. Even a
grizzly will do that. Black bear will

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do it. Yeah, they've been
known to kill men, but it's not

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it's a gory scene. There was
no blood. There was nothing that said

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that he was attacked by a bear. We would have found his body.

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Can you provide any specifics as to
where this particular area was that there's this

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hollow or there's the cave. Yeah, it's actually in Nicholas County. Where

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we were at was near Somersville,
actually was near the backside of Somersville Lake.

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Somersville Lake. The US Army Corps
of Engineers Lake if they put in

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a long time ago. The dam's
not a concrete dam. It's a rock

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dam that they built, and it
was to dam up the waters off the

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Galley River because people were getting flooded
out every year when the heavy rains would

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come in the spring and it would
flood people out all the full length of

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the gully where would go in and
meet the new and become the Kannall River.

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You're saying the big foot in this
area are pretty aggressive. Yeah,

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they call them the Yahoo. The
Yahoo isn't that kind of close to one

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to that News Park in West Virginia
New River Gorge. It's actually three ridges

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over from the gorge. Do you
think that's a coincidence or I don't know

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it's a coincidence. And the point
of that lake area you can go in

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there and hunt, but no one
goes on the back side of the lake

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to deer hunt, or to bear
hunt or anything. I've been in there

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since this and I've never found a
fresh bear track or bear droppings, and

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you don't ever see hardly any squirrels
in there. Deer are pretty much the

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only time they have got through there. I do believe is that they're run

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through there and once they get in
there, they run out as fast as

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they can, or else they don't
make it. There is no sound,

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there's no bird we squirrels, no
chipmunks. It don't make the lease.

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It's quiet, early quiet. Have
you looked for bigfoot signs and et cetera

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in that area since then? Yeah, I've been in there four or five

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times since that happened. And I
found prints in there and I made cast

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of them, and I've seen a
big foot in there. And one night

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I went in there. We had
been in there bow hunting, Me and

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my younger brother and a friend of
ours. We're in there bow hunting that

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morning. We never spound a deer
track, nothing that was less than six

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months old. Didn't find any bear
tracks, didn't find no deer tracks.

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Seen one squirrel that morning, and
it was in high gear whenever I saw

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it. And that evening I went
back in there because I thought it was

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strange because found a partial print and
it was a mile away from where we

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had parked. When I found the
print, and it was just the toes

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and the front had which it could
have been a bear. It had five

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toes but it still was a strange. That was the only thing. And

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never found any claw marks, as
a bear has calderas on his front feet

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and back feet, and there was
no claw marks. It was just like

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to marks and the path of the
foot. And I went back in there

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that evening, right at dark,
after we'd come home, and I drove

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all the way back up there and
I went in there, and right at

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dark I heard a scream from probably
a quarter of a mile away, and

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it was towards the bottom, towards
the lake itself. And then I heard

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another scream and it was probably two
hundred yards away. And at that point

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I'm like, I'm here by myself. It's just stupid. This is area

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where my friend disappeared. I need
to get out of here. And I

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went started back towards my truck and
had to go around a mudhole and had

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to walk up on the bank.
And when I said mudhole, it's probably

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feet calm and about eight foot wide. And I put a deal in it

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and it got big tires on it, big muddy pires. You're not getting

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out of it unless she used cumlongs
or now you can use wenches. But

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back then all we had was the
hand cranked cumblongs and I had to go

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around it to get to my vehicle
and so I could leave. And when

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I stepped up on the bank,
something pushed a tree over, not a

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big tree, something substantial, about
a six inch thick tree, and it

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knocked the top of the tree,
knocking me off the edge of the bank,

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and I ended up in the mud
hole and I had to scramble to

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get out of it. And when
I got out of it, it screamed

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at me from where the tree was
pushed over, and I thought, I'm

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going to go home. And I
went and got my vehicle mud covered,

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soak them wet, got in my
vehicle and I did the smart thing.

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I'd already turned my vehicle around.
As soon as I got in through the

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key, indognition started up, put
in gear and left. I've been in

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there, and they are aggressive.
They just didn't want me there. They

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don't want nobody there. And people
that lived up there, in the town

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around the lake, which is called
Somersville, it is the name of the

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town, they talk about hearing screams
in there all the time. If you

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can get them to talk about it. And sorry, refresh my memory,

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so that the time you just told
me about where you heard the screams,

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that was also the time where you
saw the creature as well. Yeah,

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I've seen the creatures in there that
probably two months before when I was in

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there, I seen one walking through
and I left the area because it automatically

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knew I was there and somehow away
shape or form, whether it smelled me

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or it heard me coming in or
whatever. And I left because I didn't

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want to mess with those because the
stories and accounts from people that these things

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would run them out of the woods, not walk them out, not walk

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along with them, they would chase
them out, and I didn't want to

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mess with that. And then it
was two months later we went up there

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to bow hunt, and that was
when I seen the partial footprint and no

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other prints that were less than six
months old. And I left and then

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came back that night and then had
a tree push down on top of me.

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Not on top of me, but
enough to offer bank. Oh wow,

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that's wild. When's the last time
you've been in this area. It's

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been about a year and a half
ago. Okay, I see there's a

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few wildlife areas around this lake.
I'm looking at on a map right now,

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there's a Summersville Lakes State Wildlife Area. There's look at Somersville Lake.

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If you go to the very back
of it, there's a big humodous horseshoe

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type hollow at the back part of
it. Huh. And that's where they

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tend. And it's very steep in
there, and it's rugged territory in there.

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It's almost straight up and down.
It's really hard to hunt it in

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there. They timbered that area probably
forty or fifty years ago, and they

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planted trees and oaks, and they
planted some pines in there, and it's

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all growed up now and it's pretty
steep territory. And the only place is

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the wall is on the logging roads
that we're in there, and some there's

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not very many benches. And when
I say a bench is just the flat

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side part of the heel. And
it's so thick in there. I mean

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there's multiple rows in there, there's
rhododendrons in there, there is mountain moral

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in there. It's just really thick. It's like going into like the Amazon

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and having to cut your way through
it just to walk through it. Do

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you have any advice for someone,
Let's say there's an individual or there like,

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yeah, I'm a bigfoot researcher,
and yeah, I'm going to try

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to go to a place like this
to see if I can encounter that creature

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like this. Do you have any
advice for an individual like that? What

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I found out over the years is
if a bigfoot plan or a family in

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it is in that area, they're
in there for a reason. They don't

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want to be bothered. They tend
to be aggressive towards people coming in there,

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and they defend their territory by throwing
stuff at you, whether it's a

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tree, lamb or a rock,
or chasing you out of there. And

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when that happens, the best thing
to do is just turn go back the

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way you came, don't deviate from
it, don't take shortcuts, just use

409
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.880
the same route that you came in
on. Get yourself out of there,

410
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.800
because at the point if you do
something different what you do when you came

411
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:44.519
in, they tend to get a
little bit more upset and to get more

412
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:49.239
aggressive. Anytime my bigfoot is aggressive
towards you, the best thing to do

413
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.360
is to back out and go away, go home. That's good advice.

414
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.960
I want to ask you a question, it's going to be it's just going

415
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.239
to be a left field one jogs
anything in your memory. There's an individual

416
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.599
that was going to talk to me
a long time ago, and it never

417
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.360
turned into anything, and eventually I
have no way to contact the individual now.

418
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.599
But it was somewhere in I believe
it was southern West Virginia, and

419
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:25.079
he said that his family had encountered
over the years where there's almost a group

420
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:30.679
of bigfoot that were trying to run
them out of their home. Is that

421
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.360
anything you've ever heard or have you
ever heard of scenario where like a bigfoot

422
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.480
is trying to run someone out of
their home, off their property anything?

423
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.039
I thought, let me ask you
a question. Do you remember the county

424
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:50.320
or the area or a city name? No? Unfortunately I was not given

425
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:57.800
any of that info. Nod.
After about twenty years or about fifteen years

426
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.679
of doing this, I did go
down to southern West Virginia, and I'm

427
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.559
not mistaken, I know the person
you're talking about. I went in there

428
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.480
to help that family, Yes,
sir, oh dear, And we went

429
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.760
in there. I went in there
with another guy, a friend of mine

430
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:22.159
from the military, and we went
in there and those bigfoot were super aggressive.

431
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:29.639
They did not like humans. They
looked like the ones that we saw.

432
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:34.960
We saw too, and both of
them had a very heavy brow ridge

433
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:42.920
and they looked like chro magnon man, like cro magnon man on steroids with

434
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:50.880
the height of Shaquille O'Neal plus a
foot or two and those bigfoot that we

435
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:59.559
encountered. We ended up having to
set out flash bangs around these people's homes

436
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:07.280
and they got the message through force. We didn't have to shoot any of

437
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:13.280
them. We didn't have to shoot
none to kill them. We just discharged

438
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:20.079
a couple of twelve gages and when
they ran into the flashbangs, they got

439
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:27.960
the message that they wanted there.
And that lasted about three nights when we

440
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.519
went in and did that investigation,
and they were coming to this person's house.

441
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.559
They had killed their dog, they
had been caught looking in the windows

442
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:46.719
at night at the daughter, and
they were making a real big nuisance of

443
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.719
their selves. And there was other
things that have went on that I don't

444
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.960
really think I should say, yeah, I respect that, because obviously the

445
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.159
person doesn't want to talk to me, and he probably wouldn't talk to you.

446
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.960
It would give too much information and
it would tell exactly where they are.

447
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.760
Yes, then you would have all
these people going there, and they

448
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.519
didn't want that, and that's the
reason he only asked me to bring one

449
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:22.199
person with me. And we did
everything that we could to get these Bigfoot,

450
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.159
short of having to kill them,
to understand that you need to leave

451
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.199
this family alone. And if you
don't leave them alone, it's going to

452
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:38.800
progress. And those Bigfoot got the
hint after the third night of running into

453
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:45.480
all those flashbanks, and they left. Have you ever heard of a situation

454
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.960
in West Virginia or I guess any
of that. You've been to multiple states

455
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.639
of where a specimen has been gathered. Yeah, there was an instance that

456
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:05.400
happened here in West Virginia about two
years ago that US military was involved in,

457
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.440
or at least a government was involved
in. And they killed a clan

458
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.199
of Bigfoot that had killed a young
couple. And that happened in Jackson County,

459
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:21.119
West Virginia. Wow, just a
few years ago. Wow. Yeah,

460
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.480
they killed the whole clan and they
retrieved all the bodies, and I

461
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.039
guess they did their experiments or whatever
on them. I don't know what they

462
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.559
did to the bodies, but because
I'm not privy to that information, but

463
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:42.960
I knew the person that was that
this happened on his property, and this

464
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:50.079
young couple was from Ohio. And
strangely enough, I knew the man's uncle

465
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.360
because I had done an investigation at
his uncle's farm. And that was a

466
00:41:54.360 --> 00:42:00.800
stinky situation, very sticky. So
why was that a sticky situation? These

467
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:09.400
bigfoot were killing cattle and they were
of the type that I called the Genosqua.

468
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.639
They eat their own kind, they
eat nothing but meat. They will

469
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.960
eat humans. These things had actually
come to the house and tried to get

470
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.360
into the house one night, and
for him having a shotgunload of the slugs,

471
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.360
they would have been in the house
and probably killed the whole family.

472
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:39.360
And it was a sticky situation because
of the people that contacted me was a

473
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:45.159
trooper at the time for the state
of Ohio, and we went down and

474
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.119
had to deal with those bigfoot and
that was a messy situation. And then

475
00:42:52.199 --> 00:43:00.360
after we dealt with it, the
men in the khaki pants and boot and

476
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:06.679
polo shirts showed up. Tell me
about those individuals. Those individuals did not

477
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:12.480
show credentials, but you could tell
by their haircuts that they were with the

478
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:19.159
government in some way, shape or
form from one of the alphabet entities of

479
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.239
the federal government. And you could
tell by the way that they carried themselves

480
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.440
that you either bow down and do
what we say and say what we tell

481
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.000
you to say, or it's not
going to be good for you. And

482
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.679
they told us all that in a
very uncertain terms, and I just looked

483
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.719
at him and laughed. I said, you're never going to stop me from

484
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:46.400
telling them the truth about these creatures, and you just need to back off.

485
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:52.800
And then twenty years later, this
kid, or not twenty years,

486
00:43:52.960 --> 00:44:01.079
probably twelve years, this nephew comes
to West Union and they found their bodies

487
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.159
and told them they were killed by
bears. And then that's when the US

488
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:14.840
government sent in killed teams and destroyed
the whole plan. Sorry, they destroyed

489
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:21.239
the property. No, they just
tore the property in it and put camp

490
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.599
with a young couple was staying in
because the farmer that the man that I

491
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.039
knew here in Jackson County, I
di deer hunt on his property, okay,

492
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.480
And he called me. He knew
what I was doing and called me

493
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.719
and said that he had a young
couple that disappeared, and I was going

494
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:45.360
out there and when I got out
there, there was a group of men

495
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.199
there and a black van and I
was told to un certain terms, I

496
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.760
had to leave, and his wife
and him left, were forced to leave,

497
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:02.320
and they went and found them,
and they were taken to either a

498
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:10.199
corner or someone in the federal government
picked their bodies and they were found.

499
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:16.800
And I found out through some friends
that are still in the federal government and

500
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:24.079
that the young couple was I was
told about how the pickup was destroyed.

501
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.960
He had an sten pickup that was
old, windshield busted out of the steam

502
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.960
wheel, ripped up and sticking out
over top of the hood of the pickup,

503
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.880
but all over the inside of the
pickup. She was found in the

504
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:47.360
camper, ripped apart, and part
of her was found in a tree one

505
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:54.440
hundred yards away. And they found
their bodies, cleaned the area, and

506
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.119
then a week later they were in
there and I guess they had found the

507
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.960
klan where they were staying in a
cave and killed them all and the cold

508
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:10.239
bodies were taken out. Yeah.
Wow, man, that is a very

509
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.719
interesting situation. The owner of that
property, did they talk about the event

510
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:24.199
or I'm guessing they probably don't.
Is the property that he owns. Him

511
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.920
and his wife no longer lived there. They were told that they had to

512
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.760
leave, and they went to Florida
and stayed with his daughter who lives down

513
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:40.320
in Jacksonville, Florida. And they
came back and when they came back,

514
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:45.280
all of their stuff in their house
was gone and it was shipped to Florida

515
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:52.800
put into a one of the two
spaces down there, and it was paid

516
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.800
up for six months. And he's
wanted to sell the property, but every

517
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.599
time he tries to make the spell
it reason another of the bank financing is

518
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.400
not going through. And his taxes, his property taxes. Here in Westerninia,

519
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.360
you pay property on your real estate
property sure, and they're paid up

520
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.880
for ten years. I feel like
someone listening knows more about this story,

521
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.960
and hopefully they'll reach out. Is
that a thing where you've ever gone back

522
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.360
to that property to research it or
pay much day away from it? Oh,

523
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:31.440
I've went back there and the cave
and there's only one cave on that

524
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.159
whole property. In that cave,
I've been in it before. One idea

525
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.960
hunted when it would start pouring the
rain or something, that's where I would

526
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.400
go and sit and I've been in
that cave and looked around it, and

527
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.559
it stretches back in there, probably
one hundred feet, and then it starts

528
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.679
narrowing down, and there's one there's
another way out. But if you are

529
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.199
if you've got a bunch of gear
or whatever we're on, you're not gonna

530
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.159
get fit through it. You're gonna
you have to wiggle your way through.

531
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.599
And it comes out on the other
side of the hill. And I've been

532
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:14.719
back there since this happened. And
what happened was the cave has caved in.

533
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.239
It's like something all of a sudden, the hillside came down on top

534
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.840
of it. But it's all bedrong, so why would it come down?

535
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.880
Has so interesting and the other entrances
closed off. Also. Has there ever

536
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.800
been a time when you've been out
doing your research over all these years where

537
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.960
things escalated very quickly and you're like, I'd rather not be here in the

538
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.199
situation anymore, Just I need to
get out of here. Oh yeah,

539
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.960
that's happened probably a total of eight
to nine times, okay, over thirty

540
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.800
fo years. The thing that the
first time that ever happened, I was

541
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:04.519
escorted out by a bigfoot that would
show itself just enough to let me know

542
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:10.480
that it was there and I needed
to leave. You get a feeling when

543
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:17.159
you're being watched by it's I don't
know if it's just our sixth sense as

544
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:22.199
a human being. We have five
senses we rely on every day, but

545
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:29.239
everybody has that feeling. Everybody's had
that feeling of being watched. And that

546
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.440
was the feeling that I was getting. And when I was being watched,

547
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.039
this bigfoot started showing itself and it
would move closer to me, and at

548
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:45.599
that point I know that after that
period of time, I knew that meant

549
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:51.880
they wanted me to go. So
I laughed, and the whole time walking

550
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.119
out, if I stopped to take
a drink of water, it would show

551
00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.719
itself. And there's been other times
when I've been out there and they'll scream

552
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.320
at you from fifty yards away or
fifty feet away, and when they scream

553
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.960
at you from that distance, you
should leave. They're not happy, they're

554
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:17.559
mad. You've done something to upset
them. And once you upset them,

555
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.000
it's like upsetting a two year old. You took your two year old's toy

556
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.079
away from it. They throw temper
tendrums and when they get that mad and

557
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.960
they start counting their chest or they
start rocking back and forth, and they're

558
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:37.199
letting them, letting theirselves be known. They want you gone. They don't

559
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:42.679
want you there. They want you
to leave. And there's been a couple

560
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.960
of times when I've seen the ones
that you don't want to look at.

561
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.840
They're ugly. They look like a
demon walking around with arrow over it,

562
00:50:52.360 --> 00:51:00.039
and there's huge nine ten feet twelve
foot and they have tests treating from either

563
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.960
their lower drawl or up the ball, and they don't want you. They

564
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.400
look at you like your food.
You've been in that situation. Did you

565
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:15.800
say tusks? Can you explain what
that means a little bit more? Mm

566
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.559
hmm, I say, tuss What
is actually their canine teeth? Because their

567
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:27.000
teeth generally look like ours, and
they have canines, but most of them

568
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:34.440
don't have long canines that protrude out
of their mouth. Most of them the

569
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.400
food that they eat it grinds those
down. But when they eat meat,

570
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:44.960
it breaks up their teeth and they
get real jagged and their canines sing to

571
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:52.320
extend further out outside of their lip. It may be an inch long outside

572
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.679
the mouth, or it might be
half an inch, but they have what

573
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:02.679
I would call tucks their meat eater
and heat seemed to be the ones that

574
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:09.480
eat meat all the time, whether
it's human, deer, bear, whatever

575
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:15.079
or other. Bigfoot and they get
they develop long teeth that's protrude out of

576
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.599
their mouths. Got it? Yeah, that is that's very interesting. Have

577
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.440
you ever had any interactions with I
don't know if you're familiar with the creature

578
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:29.639
called dog man at all. Yeah. I saw three one time in my

579
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:37.000
life doing an investigation for a man
up in Poconas County, and three successive

580
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:43.719
saturdays, seen one that looked more
like a coyote, and then I saw

581
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:49.079
one that looked like a dog,
a domesticated dog, and then on the

582
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.280
third one that looked like a werewolf
from underworld. And I don't mess with

583
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.800
them. The actually scared me.
You've spent many years looking into the subject

584
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:06.159
of Bigfoot and researching the different areas. When people ask you what you feel

585
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.159
bigfoot is, what's your response to
that. I feel bigfoot is an ancient

586
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:19.480
creature that came about being from difficult
times for what they what they call it

587
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:27.519
nephylene. Sure, Goliath was an
ephylene and I believe that they were in

588
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:34.679
other societies at the time, not
in Israel, not with the children of

589
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:44.239
Israel, and they got pushed out
and became fair able to understand language different

590
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.239
languages. Over the years, they've
learned the languages and they understand English,

591
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.920
and everybody says they have their own
language. Yeah, but it's just I've

592
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.159
ran across and in a quite a
long time ago, i ran across a

593
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:05.000
person that kind of analyzed and slow
down the Sierra sounds and from what they

594
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:10.679
say that they are a combination of
languages. Once you slow it down,

595
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:19.119
it's a combination of human language and
with English in it and five or six

596
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:28.719
other different languages like Russian or Chinese
or Japanese or languages like that. And

597
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:34.800
these creatures are just they're very smart. They're really smart. I believe they

598
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.199
can think on the same level that
we do. They're militaristic. The alpha

599
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.440
male is the boss. Everybody answers
to him and he has a heavy hand

600
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:51.480
when if someone messes up in the
klan. He's the one the disciplines no

601
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.639
matter what size they are, he's
the boss. He's the general. If

602
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.400
you mess up in the military,
and the general comes down on your head.

603
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:06.079
You might be in a stock at
in human as a human, but

604
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:10.519
as a bigfoot, that heavy hand
to his comes down and smashes you across

605
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:15.119
the face, whether you're male or
female. And you know, I've seen

606
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:20.119
these things fight each other, you
know, I walked in one time and

607
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.639
seen two big males fighting, and
that's not a very fun thing to do.

608
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.960
I mean, they get in a
fight with each other, it's heavy

609
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:35.320
blows of their size and their muscle
building. Absolutely. Can you share any

610
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.719
more details about that situation was at
a certain point part of West Virginia or

611
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.559
any other details about when you saw
that that was that happened in Kentucky,

612
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:52.760
Okay, Daniel Bloom National Forest,
Dear, you went down there because I

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heard about bigfoot. People would reports
and came in about other people seeing bigfoot

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in that area and the bigfoot being
aggressive. And went down there into the

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forest and went way back out into
that forest and heard screams and I went

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in to investigate it, me and
two other guys and we went into it.

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Walked in there and it was late
evening when we got in there,

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and these two bigfoot were pushing each
other around, and then one of them

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took a swing and it was on
from there. They were punching each other,

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trying to gauge each other's eyes out, lolling around on the ground,

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throwing each other around. And this
was not a wrestling match. This was

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a all out katie bar the door
fight, right, I would make it

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to where in human terms, a
bar fight that the two biggest guys in

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the bar got in fight and everything's
getting broken. Did you stay around long

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for that or is it something to
worry you cleared out pretty quick? No,

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We stuck around for about probably two
minutes, and after about two minutes

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of them fighting like that, it
was over and done with. One of

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them went away and the other one
just turned and walked away. Didn't scream,

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didn't holler, didn't pound's chest,
just turned and walked away. Both

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of them were hurting most assuredly.
And after that point we left and it

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was the other two guys that one
of the guys was with me. He

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had lost control of himself, and
me and the other guy we were fairly

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scared at that point. It was
a situation that you walk into a fight

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and you're like, if one of
them would hit one of us, we'd

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be that instantly, and we left
and went back to the vehicle. When

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we got back to the vehicle,
it was dark when we got back to

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the vehicle, and we got in
the truck and we went to a convenience

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store and somebody went in and bought
beer and I drove and those guys drank

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all the way home. We went
through like a case and a half of

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beer on the way home. And
I don't think they were drunk. Yeah.

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Have you made it over to Land
between the Lakes ever? I've drive

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truck and I've been past there a
bunch of times. I want to go

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there and do investigations in there,
and have tried to find people to go,

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and nobody wants to go in there. Nobody wants to go in there

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and deal with that situation. It
doesn't bother me. You're fearful from what

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I've heard from the Land in Between
the Lakes, because now that my wife

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goes with me, I'm fearful because
she's even though she carries a big handgun,

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I still have to protect her.
And those creatures over there seem to

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be super aggressive towards humans when they've
had sightings. And I know about the

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incident in the lvl about that family
getting ripped apart, and that tends to

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bother me a little bit because now
my wife's want to be with me and

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tried to get other people to go, and nobody wants to go over there

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and do any kind of investigation in
there, and it's just I want to

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go. I'm itching to go.
It's just I know better than to go

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by myself and do a situation like
that. So one that's a wise idea.

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I can think of probably a few
people that would want to contact you.

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Is there a way that people can
contact you. They can reach out

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to me at old Bears the N
two zero one nine at gmail dot com.

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Okay, they can reach out to
do me an email and I'll send

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them my phone number and they can
contact me via the phone at that point.

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Awesome. So I will put that
in the show notes so people can

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contact you directly. I can think
of a few people that might extend the

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invitation to you for LBL old Beart. This has been a really fascinating chat

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and I appreciate you coming on on
weekend. It's been a really fun time

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chatting with you. I appreciate that
and I'm glad that you called me and

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if anybody needs help, you can
contact me through my email and then we'll

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talk about your situation. Yes,
sir, if you can be on the

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phone for just a few minutes,
I got one more question for you.

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But thank you so much for coming
on. I hope some people reach out

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to you about the different things that
you have been talking about today. Thank

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you, Old Bear, You're welcome, and thank you you're at Bigfoot Society.

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Our goal is to provide a platform
for those that have encountered Bigfoot to

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share their encounter in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story.

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If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an

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email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot
com. Then we can start the conversation.

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And I know a lot of you
have not shared your encounter at all.

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It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest

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and then you can get some well
deserved for rest, because I know you

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haven't been sleeping. I understand and
what you're going through, and I appreciate

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every one of you listening