Aggressive Bigfoot Encounters of West Virginia

0:00 I'm still looking down the barrel of this thing, and it starts to grimace and starts to growl at me, a very deep, low growl, and it takes a step towards me at that point. And at that point, I put my thumb on the hammer on the rifle that I had and to take that second step. And when it took the second step, I pulled the hammer back to a talk where all I had to do is squeeze the trigger. And now I'm looking down the slight this thing, and I have a slight squarely on its nose. It heard that click either You listen to the Big Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Viron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continuing to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in page for Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far,

1:30 so let's get on with the show, all right. Big for Society got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who reached out to me. His name is Old Bear, from the great state of West Virginia. How's it going today, Old Bear? Oh, it's going pretty good. That's great. Can you share what part of West Virginia you're from? Yeah, I live nearly state capital, Charleston, Litnia. Perfect. We were talking a little bit before this interview. You sent me some info and it sounds like you've been researching this creature for quite a long time. Yeah. My journey started back when I was sixteen years old, had a sighting of a bigfoot from about twenty feet away. And that despite my interest in this in two bigfoot, the type of sighting that I had was I was deer hunting. Actually, I was sixteen year old kid, first time my father ever letting me go by myself. When I was deer hunting during deer season and it was a lightful season here in West Virginia. And this thing walked out from a boulder at about twenty feet away and it was chasing some deer, and as a sixteen year old kid, I thought the sounds that it was making before

3:00 it came into view sounded like white tail buck and I already had a rifle up to my shoulder, and when I stepped out, I was, what in the world is that? Can you describe those sounds for people that aren't familiar with what those sounds are? Yeah, it was a grunt. That was the sound that it was making, and that's typically what a white tailed deer does. A male deer when it's chasing goes when they're in their breeding season, which is usually in the fall, and this was in December, and it just it was making those noises. And I'm thinking, because I'd already seen three days come out and they were they looked like they'd been run pretty hard. So I thought, I'm a kid, I don't know about these things. I don't know there's a big foot in the world, doesn't know nothing about them, never seen one, my family never talked about it and wasn't in the know of bigfoot. And those noises sounded to me like a wait till buck running because it was following those that were in eat.

4:15 And when it stepped out at twenty feet. It was a complete surprise to me, except for the year before I had seen the movie about the Bigfoot in Arkansas, and I watched it with my dad and I'd asked the dad as that real Dad said, no, I've never seen anything like that, and they're not that's just Hollywood. That was his explanation. Is Boggy Creek probably, Yeah, Yes, it was the Boggle Creek monster. And it didn't look like the Boggy Creek Monster. It didn't have super long hair all over face, and it had long hair on it. But the thing was, it was sixty degrees that day, which is warm for that time of year around here. And I'm sitting there in a flannel shirt and an orange vest with an orange hat on blue jeans and sitting on the ground with a rifle and this thing steps out and the rifles at my shoulder, and all I'm doing is looking down the barrel of rifle at this thing, going, oh Lord, what in the world. I don't know what. I don't know what you are. But don't look at me, don't hear me.

5:45 It was the thought going in my head at the point, And at that point it slowly turned towards me, and when it turned towards me, the facial expression on it, it looked like a early type of human, not modern, but looked really human. And it looked at me like where'd you come from? Because it raised its eyebrows and then opened its eyes up and the eyes were cold black. And this is two point thirty three o'clock in the internet. And at that point it I was scared, But through being raised up in the woods and as a young kid and having an older brother that was in the military, I knew to keep my emotions at bay as best I could because this is a situation. I don't know if it's going to be life or death. I don't know if it's going to be you know, this thing's going to come up there and knock me into next week.

6:55 So I'm still looking down the barrel at this thing, and it starts to grimace and starts to growl at me, a very deep, low growl, and it takes a step towards me at that point, and once it took that step, I thought in my head, this thing's will come up here and harm me. I'm sixteen year old kid, I'm a pretty big kid because I played football and did all that stuff. And at that point I put my thumb on the hammer on the rifle that I had and to take that second step. And when it took the second step, I pulled the hammer back to o'clock where all I had to do is squeeze the trigger.

7:46 And now I'm looking down on the slight thing, and I have a slight squarely on its nose. It heard that click, and then it stood a little more erect because when it walked out, it was hunts forward, knees bent, and it had it was hunting the same as I was, just I had to be choosy about what I did or what animal that I could shoot legally at that point, and once it started to take that second step, and I pulled the hammer back, and that click, and it was very quiet. In the words, there wasn't even a chipmunk or a swirl or a bird making any kind of sound. And at that point, once it heard the click, it perked up a little bit and looked at me, and it stopped growling at me, and then it was showing its teeth when it growled at me, and it closed its mouth and then it started turning it's up a body looking for a way to get out of there, and it finally went back the way that it came. And at this point, whenever it disappeared and I could hear it running off, I stood up and started towards the road, which i was just two benches which were two flats off from the road. And I got to the road and I didn't hear it anymore, and then it screamed at me. I would have

9:18 to say probably two hundred yards or more away. And when it screamed at me was when I started losing it. I'm sixteen years old, I'm the big kid football. The back then, you were taught men don't cry, men don't get upset, and that was an attitude that I had. But at that point I was completely scared, intimidated because this thing was seven a half eight foot ball. It was broad in the shoulders, probably three and a half four foot across the shoulders, long hair, and it was is not happy with me. So I went back to where my dad had parked the vehicle we were in, and my dad was coming out the road and he looked at me and he said, what in the world was that noise?

10:13 Is that somebody out there doing something some kids or something like that. I don't want to talk about it. I just got to go home. And my dad looked an't He said, no, you We're gonna hunt until he gets dark. And I said, Dad, I want to go home now. And by this time, it's after three o'clock and he's and we'd only been there a few hours and he's doing what happened, and I'm not talking about it. And I went to the back of the vehicle and unloaded my rifle, put it in the guncase, took my desk to that off being, got into passenger seat and locked the door. And my dad come over and he's you're serious. I said, yeah, I want to go home. He unloaded his rifel, got dry receipt and said what's going on?

11:03 And he kept asking me, and I'm like, Dad, didn't you go home? And we started back out the road and had to go right past where this had just happened. And when I reached that point, I started crying and my dad looked over and he said, what are you crying for? Dad? I don't want to talk about it. I don't know how to explain this. And we got out on the blacktop. His son is sitting besiding pretty much balling like a little kid. Dad was worried. It took us an hour to get back to the interstate. And once we got on the interstate, he said, you're going to tell me what's going on. And when he said that, and then in turn it he said, I knew that I had to answer him and tell him what was going on. And I told him. And the only thing he said to me when I got done was don't tell you mother or your grandmother. And that started the law. Thirty nine years of knowing about Bigfoot, and it's been a long process to trying to figure out what these creatures are. Are they harmful to humans? And it's been a long road, a lot of miles walking through the hills of West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio in other states here in the Southeast. In the research that I've found for these creatures, I've found that most of them don't want nothing to do with us. They don't

12:33 want to interact with us, they don't want to be bothered with us humans because we're dangerous. Most times, when somebody sees won they've got a gun or they got some kind of weapon. In their hand typically when they went into humans, whether it's spring, summer, or fall or winter, and they don't want anything to do this. They've been shot at for hundreds of years here in the US alone and across the world, and they're afraid of us, most of them are. But I've also found there's some out there, bigfoot out there that kind of want to turn us into dinner. And I've had a couple of a few experiences with those types, and it's always been a struggle to survive. And because they're so big and powerful and they're so aggressive, and the way that they do things, it's always like they're a military unit, and that's how they act. Even the ones that don't anything to do with is they act more like there is a general which I've found out over the years is the big male Alpha, and what he says goes, and the klan does what he says, and it's it can be dangerous if you get too close to them. They let you know. They

14:03 may show theirselves, or they may make screams or howls or whatever, and they throw rocks most easily you make thoy rocks. They don't try to hit you, but when you're too close, they make thow rocks and hit you with them, not enough to kill you, but get you to leave. And it's been like that ever since I got started going out in the woods and walking around trying to find footprints and hair and all this stuff. And I've found all that. It's just over the years, I found out no matter how much you bring in, science is not going to do anything about them or list them as real until science has one on a metal table somewhere.

14:54 That's an incredible first encounter old ver to have. After you told your father, he said not to tell your grandmother and your mother. Do you think he ever had an experience himself or why do you think he didn't want you to tell those certain individuals about what happened. He told me that because if I told, if it got to Mom and grandma, because my grandmother was his mother, and if I told Mom, that's his wife, and the women of the house don't have a lot of say so from generations before, but if it's something that's going to harm their children or possibly harm a grandchild, they can overrule Dad. And it was a very hearing experience for me, and it affected me for quite a long time. And I actually quit hunting because of it for about three years. And I didn't go.

16:04 I didn't go with my dad and my brothers. They still would go, and I'm like, no, just don't feel good, or I just I got I got schoolwork to do. I'd make excuses and wouldn't go. And my dad knew it. But if mom and grandma knew what happened, none of us would have been going hunting. Ever. Again, my older brother had a wife, I'm pretty sure that would have affected. They would have been She would have been told and that would have been in the himbling. And the same with mom. You're not taking my boys out in the woods and these things are out there, They're not going to be You're not going to get one of my kids killed. And Dad was the boss, but Mom can exert her boss and Dad would have to listen. Sometimes in stories like this accounts, it comes out that other relatives themselves have had encounters that the was that the case in your family that you found out along the way that other people had seen things as well. Yeah, it took me thirty years to find out that my dad and my uncle they heard screams one night and they were out fishing and camping on a river here in West Virginia, not far from where I had my encounter, and they heard screams and something

17:34 came around the camp that they had set up that night, and they had seen these things, seen one walk between the camper because they hit a sliding camper at the time, and it walked between the camper and the fire that they had outside. And they never said a word about it to anybody. And my dad told me that thirty years later. Okay, so your encounter happened in early seventies, correct, because that would have been around the time that Boggie Creek came out. No, it was nineteen eighty four. Nineteen eighty four, okay, yeah, And I've never heard of the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek until the year before. And it came on Saturday night.

18:21 It was one of those back then they had movies they would play on Saturday nights around nine or ten o'clock, and it was always a scary movie. Gotcha, it was Bellawood see as Dracula or Frankenstein or something like that. And they made they had that movie on on Saturday night and we watched it and it was just one of those things. You saw it and it was like it was scared it. It scared me, and my dad would was now that's their big deal. It's don't worry about it. That's not real. It's just Hollywood. It's like draculent in Frankenstein. So you said that your experience, in your father's experience happened in similar areas. Is that an area that are you able to share. Was it near a certain river or state forest or anything like that for context for listeners, Yeah, it's near the Little Kanal River. It seems like that is a corridor what I found over the years, they tend to follow that river between Ohio and the eastern mountains here in West Virginia where it originates. Can you repeat that name one more time? Sorry, the Little Kanall River. Okay, Little Kana River. Interesting. I'm sure there'll be a few listeners that will be interested

19:52 in info like that. You have your experience and then for a few years, definitely you're not going into the woods, you're not going hunting. Was there a point that you transitioned more into someone that you were trying to figure out? Okay, what's what is this creature that I saw? Or how did that come about that you started looking into bigfoot over these years after you had your experience. After about three years, my dad told me on a Friday night, tomorrow, you're going with me. And I'm like, Dad, I know you're going hunting. I don't want to go. You know what happened, he said, I don't want to hear it. I enjoyed going hunting. You can go with me tomorrow, stay with me the whole time and not have to worry about But this point, I'm nineteen, I'm over eighteen. I'm nineteen years old. And it was you're going with me.

20:52 You're a grown man. You can deal with this. It's no big deal. So I went with him, and I tried to make excuses. He wouldn't let me stay at the truck, and it was a family outing. My older brother was there, my younger brother, my brother in law was there. There was five of us, and I went with my dad and walk with my dad all day and we talked and that kind of helped a lot to get back out in the woods. And at that point, I was like, Dad, I really want to find out what this thing is. And he's found out and let me know At that point I got interested in trying to figure out what these creatures were. And I started going out on weekends and stuff because at this point when I had time home, because I did things back then, I was into I had went and was doing things in the military, and when I would come home, I would go looking around here in West Virginia. And it kept progressing from that point.

22:03 I needed to know more about these things. I need to find them, I need to know where they are. And I kept looking, and I kept making mistakes and kept failing at it. Couldn't find them, couldn't find foot prints. And finally, after I was about twenty three twenty four years old, I ran into a guy here in West Virginia that kind of took me under his name and told me he knew about him for folly plus years because he seemed he was a young man of about I think twenty four to twenty five years old, and he told me he is an encounter and I was like, wow, that's amazing. You had a pretty docilid encounter who you started looking into these And he was an old countryman, a country boy, and he just he knew the woods and he kept finding them and kept finding prints and kept seeing them, and he took me under his wing and showed me what he knew, and then we started seeing him and he would get reports from places here in West Virginia, in the eastern part of the state, in Greenbrier County, Randolph County, Penden County, Okahontas came and we'd go to those places and we look around and see what we could find, and he would consistently find them. We would find deer carcasses where they evidently killed a deer and stripped it clean, and it could be other

23:37 animals doing it, but you would find you wouldn't find sharp tooth marks, you wouldn't find knife marks in them, or a person would kill them and then cut the meat up and everything like that. You would find a carcass that was ripped apart, and it was a sign that it had to be a creature that was able to rip their legs off and break their necks. We found quite a few at that time with their heads their necks completely broken and ripped apart, and he took me uner his wing. I was with you about five or six years, and we went out on an investigation of some aggressive bigfoot and while we were out on that investigation, It's the middle of January, and he disappeared, and that was a pretty tough time he disappeared. Yeah, he was never found. I found his hat three weeks later at the entrance to a cave with a rock stuck on top of it, and that's all that I ever found. Can you share this gentleman's name at all? Yeah, his name was Robert Henderson. Henderson. What time frame would that have done. That would have been in the late nineties,

25:07 late nineties, around ninety four ninety five. Maybe because I'm mining. I was nineteen twenty years old when I'm mining, And when he disappeared was when I was twenty five. I'd gotten married, and right after we gotten married is when he disappeared. What do you think happened to him? I think Day grabbed him because the man was seventy five feet from me. I had walked up behind a tree and was using the bathroom and when I stood when I stepped behind from the tree, he's nowhere in sight. The big foot in that area had kept hunters out of that hollow and off that ridge that ran around the hollow for evidently for quite some time. And people wouldn't go in there, and we went in there, and I came out alone, and he called the state police and was told it was a bear attack.

26:10 And that was the narrative that I was told. Was there anything that told you from what you saw that was a bear attack or no. I've hunted bear pretty much most of my dot life and never ever we had a black bear in the state of Westginia. And a grizzly bear will drag you off for short ways or just they covered you over with some dirt and or ford forced litter and go short ways away from you and wait and then feed on you from then on. Even a grizzly will do that. Black bear will do it. Yeah, they've been known to kill men, but it's not it's a gory scene. There was no blood. There was nothing that said that he was attacked by a bear. We would have found his body.

27:10 Can you provide any specifics as to where this particular area was that there's this hollow or there's the cave. Yeah, it's actually in Nicholas County. Where we were at was near Somersville, actually was near the backside of Somersville Lake. Somersville Lake. The US Army Corps of Engineers Lake if they put in a long time ago. The dam's not a concrete dam. It's a rock dam that they built, and it was to dam up the waters off the Galley River because people were getting flooded out every year when the heavy rains would come in the spring and it would flood people out all the full length of the gully where would go in and meet the new and become the Kannall River.

27:59 You're saying the big foot in this area are pretty aggressive. Yeah, they call them the Yahoo. The Yahoo isn't that kind of close to one to that News Park in West Virginia New River Gorge. It's actually three ridges over from the gorge. Do you think that's a coincidence or I don't know it's a coincidence. And the point of that lake area you can go in there and hunt, but no one goes on the back side of the lake to deer hunt, or to bear hunt or anything. I've been in there since this and I've never found a fresh bear track or bear droppings, and you don't ever see hardly any squirrels in there. Deer are pretty much the only time they have got through there. I do believe is that they're run through there and once they get in there, they run out as fast as they can, or else they don't make it. There is no sound, there's no bird we squirrels, no chipmunks. It don't make the lease.

29:03 It's quiet, early quiet. Have you looked for bigfoot signs and et cetera in that area since then? Yeah, I've been in there four or five times since that happened. And I found prints in there and I made cast of them, and I've seen a big foot in there. And one night I went in there. We had been in there bow hunting, Me and my younger brother and a friend of ours. We're in there bow hunting that morning. We never spound a deer track, nothing that was less than six months old. Didn't find any bear tracks, didn't find no deer tracks.

29:48 Seen one squirrel that morning, and it was in high gear whenever I saw it. And that evening I went back in there because I thought it was strange because found a partial print and it was a mile away from where we had parked. When I found the print, and it was just the toes and the front had which it could have been a bear. It had five toes but it still was a strange. That was the only thing. And never found any claw marks, as a bear has calderas on his front feet and back feet, and there was no claw marks. It was just like to marks and the path of the foot. And I went back in there that evening, right at dark, after we'd come home, and I drove all the way back up there and I went in there, and right at dark I heard a scream from probably a quarter of a mile away, and it was towards the bottom, towards the lake itself. And then I heard another scream and it was probably two hundred yards away. And at that point I'm like, I'm here by myself. It's just stupid. This is area where my friend disappeared. I need to get out of here. And I went started back towards my truck and had to go around a mudhole and had to walk up on the bank. And when I said mudhole, it's probably feet calm and about eight foot wide. And I put a deal in it

31:21 and it got big tires on it, big muddy pires. You're not getting out of it unless she used cumlongs or now you can use wenches. But back then all we had was the hand cranked cumblongs and I had to go around it to get to my vehicle and so I could leave. And when I stepped up on the bank, something pushed a tree over, not a big tree, something substantial, about a six inch thick tree, and it knocked the top of the tree, knocking me off the edge of the bank, and I ended up in the mud hole and I had to scramble to get out of it. And when I got out of it, it screamed at me from where the tree was pushed over, and I thought, I'm going to go home. And I went and got my vehicle mud covered, soak them wet, got in my vehicle and I did the smart thing.

32:21 I'd already turned my vehicle around. As soon as I got in through the key, indognition started up, put in gear and left. I've been in there, and they are aggressive. They just didn't want me there. They don't want nobody there. And people that lived up there, in the town around the lake, which is called Somersville, it is the name of the town, they talk about hearing screams in there all the time. If you can get them to talk about it. And sorry, refresh my memory, so that the time you just told me about where you heard the screams, that was also the time where you saw the creature as well. Yeah, I've seen the creatures in there that probably two months before when I was in there, I seen one walking through and I left the area because it automatically knew I was there and somehow away shape or form, whether it smelled me or it heard me coming in or whatever. And I left because I didn't want to mess with those because the stories and accounts from people that these things would run them out of the woods, not walk them out, not walk along with them, they would chase them out, and I didn't want to mess with that. And then it was two months later we went up there to bow hunt, and that was when I seen the partial footprint and no other prints that were less than six months old. And I left and then

33:52 came back that night and then had a tree push down on top of me. Not on top of me, but enough to offer bank. Oh wow, that's wild. When's the last time you've been in this area. It's been about a year and a half ago. Okay, I see there's a few wildlife areas around this lake. I'm looking at on a map right now, there's a Summersville Lakes State Wildlife Area. There's look at Somersville Lake. If you go to the very back of it, there's a big humodous horseshoe type hollow at the back part of it. Huh. And that's where they tend. And it's very steep in there, and it's rugged territory in there.

34:39 It's almost straight up and down. It's really hard to hunt it in there. They timbered that area probably forty or fifty years ago, and they planted trees and oaks, and they planted some pines in there, and it's all growed up now and it's pretty steep territory. And the only place is the wall is on the logging roads that we're in there, and some there's not very many benches. And when I say a bench is just the flat side part of the heel. And it's so thick in there. I mean there's multiple rows in there, there's rhododendrons in there, there is mountain moral in there. It's just really thick. It's like going into like the Amazon and having to cut your way through it just to walk through it. Do you have any advice for someone, Let's say there's an individual or there like, yeah, I'm a bigfoot researcher, and yeah, I'm going to try to go to a place like this to see if I can encounter that creature like this. Do you have any advice for an individual like that? What I found out over the years is if a bigfoot plan or a family in it is in that area, they're in there for a reason. They don't want to be bothered. They tend to be aggressive towards people coming in there, and they defend their territory by throwing stuff at you, whether it's a

36:14 tree, lamb or a rock, or chasing you out of there. And when that happens, the best thing to do is just turn go back the way you came, don't deviate from it, don't take shortcuts, just use the same route that you came in on. Get yourself out of there, because at the point if you do something different what you do when you came in, they tend to get a little bit more upset and to get more aggressive. Anytime my bigfoot is aggressive towards you, the best thing to do is to back out and go away, go home. That's good advice. I want to ask you a question, it's going to be it's just going to be a left field one jogs anything in your memory. There's an individual that was going to talk to me a long time ago, and it never turned into anything, and eventually I have no way to contact the individual now.

37:12 But it was somewhere in I believe it was southern West Virginia, and he said that his family had encountered over the years where there's almost a group of bigfoot that were trying to run them out of their home. Is that anything you've ever heard or have you ever heard of scenario where like a bigfoot is trying to run someone out of their home, off their property anything? I thought, let me ask you a question. Do you remember the county or the area or a city name? No? Unfortunately I was not given any of that info. Nod. After about twenty years or about fifteen years of doing this, I did go down to southern West Virginia, and I'm not mistaken, I know the person you're talking about. I went in there to help that family, Yes, sir, oh dear, And we went in there. I went in there with another guy, a friend of mine from the military, and we went in there and those bigfoot were super aggressive.

38:22 They did not like humans. They looked like the ones that we saw. We saw too, and both of them had a very heavy brow ridge and they looked like chro magnon man, like cro magnon man on steroids with the height of Shaquille O'Neal plus a foot or two and those bigfoot that we encountered. We ended up having to set out flash bangs around these people's homes and they got the message through force. We didn't have to shoot any of them. We didn't have to shoot none to kill them. We just discharged a couple of twelve gages and when they ran into the flashbangs, they got the message that they wanted there. And that lasted about three nights when we went in and did that investigation, and they were coming to this person's house.

39:34 They had killed their dog, they had been caught looking in the windows at night at the daughter, and they were making a real big nuisance of their selves. And there was other things that have went on that I don't really think I should say, yeah, I respect that, because obviously the person doesn't want to talk to me, and he probably wouldn't talk to you. It would give too much information and it would tell exactly where they are. Yes, then you would have all these people going there, and they didn't want that, and that's the reason he only asked me to bring one person with me. And we did everything that we could to get these Bigfoot, short of having to kill them, to understand that you need to leave this family alone. And if you don't leave them alone, it's going to progress. And those Bigfoot got the hint after the third night of running into all those flashbanks, and they left. Have you ever heard of a situation in West Virginia or I guess any of that. You've been to multiple states of where a specimen has been gathered. Yeah, there was an instance that happened here in West Virginia about two years ago that US military was involved in,

41:06 or at least a government was involved in. And they killed a clan of Bigfoot that had killed a young couple. And that happened in Jackson County, West Virginia. Wow, just a few years ago. Wow. Yeah, they killed the whole clan and they retrieved all the bodies, and I guess they did their experiments or whatever on them. I don't know what they did to the bodies, but because I'm not privy to that information, but I knew the person that was that this happened on his property, and this young couple was from Ohio. And strangely enough, I knew the man's uncle because I had done an investigation at his uncle's farm. And that was a stinky situation, very sticky. So why was that a sticky situation? These bigfoot were killing cattle and they were of the type that I called the Genosqua.

42:10 They eat their own kind, they eat nothing but meat. They will eat humans. These things had actually come to the house and tried to get into the house one night, and for him having a shotgunload of the slugs, they would have been in the house and probably killed the whole family. And it was a sticky situation because of the people that contacted me was a trooper at the time for the state of Ohio, and we went down and had to deal with those bigfoot and that was a messy situation. And then after we dealt with it, the men in the khaki pants and boot and polo shirts showed up. Tell me about those individuals. Those individuals did not show credentials, but you could tell by their haircuts that they were with the government in some way, shape or form from one of the alphabet entities of the federal government. And you could tell by the way that they carried themselves that you either bow down and do what we say and say what we tell you to say, or it's not going to be good for you. And they told us all that in a very uncertain terms, and I just looked at him and laughed. I said, you're never going to stop me from

43:40 telling them the truth about these creatures, and you just need to back off. And then twenty years later, this kid, or not twenty years, probably twelve years, this nephew comes to West Union and they found their bodies and told them they were killed by bears. And then that's when the US government sent in killed teams and destroyed the whole plan. Sorry, they destroyed the property. No, they just tore the property in it and put camp with a young couple was staying in because the farmer that the man that I knew here in Jackson County, I di deer hunt on his property, okay, And he called me. He knew what I was doing and called me and said that he had a young couple that disappeared, and I was going out there and when I got out there, there was a group of men there and a black van and I was told to un certain terms, I had to leave, and his wife and him left, were forced to leave, and they went and found them, and they were taken to either a corner or someone in the federal government picked their bodies and they were found.

45:10 And I found out through some friends that are still in the federal government and that the young couple was I was told about how the pickup was destroyed. He had an sten pickup that was old, windshield busted out of the steam wheel, ripped up and sticking out over top of the hood of the pickup, but all over the inside of the pickup. She was found in the camper, ripped apart, and part of her was found in a tree one hundred yards away. And they found their bodies, cleaned the area, and then a week later they were in there and I guess they had found the klan where they were staying in a cave and killed them all and the cold bodies were taken out. Yeah. Wow, man, that is a very interesting situation. The owner of that property, did they talk about the event or I'm guessing they probably don't. Is the property that he owns. Him and his wife no longer lived there. They were told that they had to leave, and they went to Florida and stayed with his daughter who lives down in Jacksonville, Florida. And they came back and when they came back,

46:40 all of their stuff in their house was gone and it was shipped to Florida put into a one of the two spaces down there, and it was paid up for six months. And he's wanted to sell the property, but every time he tries to make the spell it reason another of the bank financing is not going through. And his taxes, his property taxes. Here in Westerninia, you pay property on your real estate property sure, and they're paid up for ten years. I feel like someone listening knows more about this story, and hopefully they'll reach out. Is that a thing where you've ever gone back to that property to research it or pay much day away from it? Oh, I've went back there and the cave and there's only one cave on that whole property. In that cave, I've been in it before. One idea hunted when it would start pouring the rain or something, that's where I would go and sit and I've been in that cave and looked around it, and it stretches back in there, probably one hundred feet, and then it starts narrowing down, and there's one there's another way out. But if you are if you've got a bunch of gear or whatever we're on, you're not gonna get fit through it. You're gonna you have to wiggle your way through.

48:05 And it comes out on the other side of the hill. And I've been back there since this happened. And what happened was the cave has caved in. It's like something all of a sudden, the hillside came down on top of it. But it's all bedrong, so why would it come down? Has so interesting and the other entrances closed off. Also. Has there ever been a time when you've been out doing your research over all these years where things escalated very quickly and you're like, I'd rather not be here in the situation anymore, Just I need to get out of here. Oh yeah, that's happened probably a total of eight to nine times, okay, over thirty fo years. The thing that the first time that ever happened, I was escorted out by a bigfoot that would show itself just enough to let me know that it was there and I needed to leave. You get a feeling when you're being watched by it's I don't know if it's just our sixth sense as a human being. We have five senses we rely on every day, but everybody has that feeling. Everybody's had that feeling of being watched. And that was the feeling that I was getting. And when I was being watched, this bigfoot started showing itself and it would move closer to me, and at

49:39 that point I know that after that period of time, I knew that meant they wanted me to go. So I laughed, and the whole time walking out, if I stopped to take a drink of water, it would show itself. And there's been other times when I've been out there and they'll scream at you from fifty yards away or fifty feet away, and when they scream at you from that distance, you should leave. They're not happy, they're mad. You've done something to upset them. And once you upset them, it's like upsetting a two year old. You took your two year old's toy away from it. They throw temper tendrums and when they get that mad and they start counting their chest or they start rocking back and forth, and they're letting them, letting theirselves be known. They want you gone. They don't want you there. They want you to leave. And there's been a couple of times when I've seen the ones that you don't want to look at.

50:46 They're ugly. They look like a demon walking around with arrow over it, and there's huge nine ten feet twelve foot and they have tests treating from either their lower drawl or up the ball, and they don't want you. They look at you like your food. You've been in that situation. Did you say tusks? Can you explain what that means a little bit more? Mm hmm, I say, tuss What is actually their canine teeth? Because their teeth generally look like ours, and they have canines, but most of them don't have long canines that protrude out of their mouth. Most of them the food that they eat it grinds those down. But when they eat meat, it breaks up their teeth and they get real jagged and their canines sing to extend further out outside of their lip. It may be an inch long outside the mouth, or it might be half an inch, but they have what I would call tucks their meat eater and heat seemed to be the ones that eat meat all the time, whether it's human, deer, bear, whatever or other. Bigfoot and they get they develop long teeth that's protrude out of their mouths. Got it? Yeah, that is that's very interesting. Have

52:20 you ever had any interactions with I don't know if you're familiar with the creature called dog man at all. Yeah. I saw three one time in my life doing an investigation for a man up in Poconas County, and three successive saturdays, seen one that looked more like a coyote, and then I saw one that looked like a dog, a domesticated dog, and then on the third one that looked like a werewolf from underworld. And I don't mess with them. The actually scared me. You've spent many years looking into the subject of Bigfoot and researching the different areas. When people ask you what you feel bigfoot is, what's your response to that. I feel bigfoot is an ancient creature that came about being from difficult times for what they what they call it nephylene. Sure, Goliath was an ephylene and I believe that they were in other societies at the time, not in Israel, not with the children of Israel, and they got pushed out and became fair able to understand language different languages. Over the years, they've learned the languages and they understand English, and everybody says they have their own language. Yeah, but it's just I've

53:52 ran across and in a quite a long time ago, i ran across a person that kind of analyzed and slow down the Sierra sounds and from what they say that they are a combination of languages. Once you slow it down, it's a combination of human language and with English in it and five or six other different languages like Russian or Chinese or Japanese or languages like that. And these creatures are just they're very smart. They're really smart. I believe they can think on the same level that we do. They're militaristic. The alpha male is the boss. Everybody answers to him and he has a heavy hand when if someone messes up in the klan. He's the one the disciplines no matter what size they are, he's the boss. He's the general. If you mess up in the military, and the general comes down on your head.

55:00 You might be in a stock at in human as a human, but as a bigfoot, that heavy hand to his comes down and smashes you across the face, whether you're male or female. And you know, I've seen these things fight each other, you know, I walked in one time and seen two big males fighting, and that's not a very fun thing to do. I mean, they get in a fight with each other, it's heavy blows of their size and their muscle building. Absolutely. Can you share any more details about that situation was at a certain point part of West Virginia or any other details about when you saw that that was that happened in Kentucky, Okay, Daniel Bloom National Forest, Dear, you went down there because I heard about bigfoot. People would reports and came in about other people seeing bigfoot in that area and the bigfoot being aggressive. And went down there into the forest and went way back out into that forest and heard screams and I went in to investigate it, me and two other guys and we went into it.

56:16 Walked in there and it was late evening when we got in there, and these two bigfoot were pushing each other around, and then one of them took a swing and it was on from there. They were punching each other, trying to gauge each other's eyes out, lolling around on the ground, throwing each other around. And this was not a wrestling match. This was a all out katie bar the door fight, right, I would make it to where in human terms, a bar fight that the two biggest guys in the bar got in fight and everything's getting broken. Did you stay around long for that or is it something to worry you cleared out pretty quick? No, We stuck around for about probably two minutes, and after about two minutes of them fighting like that, it was over and done with. One of them went away and the other one just turned and walked away. Didn't scream, didn't holler, didn't pound's chest, just turned and walked away. Both of them were hurting most assuredly. And after that point we left and it was the other two guys that one of the guys was with me. He had lost control of himself, and me and the other guy we were fairly

57:51 scared at that point. It was a situation that you walk into a fight and you're like, if one of them would hit one of us, we'd be that instantly, and we left and went back to the vehicle. When we got back to the vehicle, it was dark when we got back to the vehicle, and we got in the truck and we went to a convenience store and somebody went in and bought beer and I drove and those guys drank all the way home. We went through like a case and a half of beer on the way home. And I don't think they were drunk. Yeah.

58:31 Have you made it over to Land between the Lakes ever? I've drive truck and I've been past there a bunch of times. I want to go there and do investigations in there, and have tried to find people to go, and nobody wants to go in there. Nobody wants to go in there and deal with that situation. It doesn't bother me. You're fearful from what I've heard from the Land in Between the Lakes, because now that my wife goes with me, I'm fearful because she's even though she carries a big handgun, I still have to protect her. And those creatures over there seem to be super aggressive towards humans when they've had sightings. And I know about the incident in the lvl about that family getting ripped apart, and that tends to bother me a little bit because now my wife's want to be with me and tried to get other people to go, and nobody wants to go over there and do any kind of investigation in there, and it's just I want to go. I'm itching to go. It's just I know better than to go by myself and do a situation like that. So one that's a wise idea.

59:55 I can think of probably a few people that would want to contact you. Is there a way that people can contact you. They can reach out to me at old Bears the N two zero one nine at gmail dot com. Okay, they can reach out to do me an email and I'll send them my phone number and they can contact me via the phone at that point. Awesome. So I will put that in the show notes so people can contact you directly. I can think of a few people that might extend the invitation to you for LBL old Beart. This has been a really fascinating chat and I appreciate you coming on on weekend. It's been a really fun time chatting with you. I appreciate that and I'm glad that you called me and if anybody needs help, you can contact me through my email and then we'll talk about your situation. Yes, sir, if you can be on the phone for just a few minutes, I got one more question for you.

1:01:09 But thank you so much for coming on. I hope some people reach out to you about the different things that you have been talking about today. Thank you, Old Bear, You're welcome, and thank you you're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand and what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening