June 4, 2026

AGGRESSIVE BLACK BIGFOOT STALKS BFRO INVESTIGATOR IN OHIO WOODS

AGGRESSIVE BLACK BIGFOOT STALKS BFRO INVESTIGATOR IN OHIO WOODS
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Season 1

Leanette, a longtime BFRO investigator, shares one of the most intense Sasquatch encounters ever featured on Bigfoot Society.


What started as strange activity on a remote Kentucky farm turned into years of terrifying encounters involving massive footprints outside windows, amber eyes staring into the house at night, screams from the darkness, aggressive stalking behavior, and unexplained activity that eventually forced Leanette and her family to leave the property.


Then came the 2025 Ohio expedition.


Leanette describes a daylight confrontation with a huge black Bigfoot on its knuckles just yards away from her near camp. Campers later reported being watched from the tree line for hours, vehicles pushed during the night, mud balls thrown into tents, and equipment failures during escalating activity deep in the woods.


She also shares childhood memories connected to the legendary Mississippi Mud Monster sightings near Alton, Illinois in 1969.


This episode includes:
• Kentucky farm encounters
• 2025 Ohio BFRO expedition activity
• Juvenile Sasquatch behavior
• Possible burial mound discoveries
• Tent encounters and stalking incidents
• Bigfoot interactions with horses
• Physical evidence and vocalizations
• Childhood encounters tied to historic reports


If you’re looking for a serious firsthand witness interview filled with detailed field experiences from an experienced investigator, this is an episode you do not want to miss.

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You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society, Welcome

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back to another episode. We've got the privilege of talking

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to Leonette today. Lenette is a BFRORO investigator based out

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of Kentucky. Welcome to the show, Leonnette. How are you

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doing today?

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I'm doing great?

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Thank you absolutely. You have an encounter that I've been

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trying to track down for a while since I have

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heard about it sent from another investment sgater, Marcia, who

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has been on the show multiple times, and Marcia was

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able to connect the two of us, so big thanks

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to Marcia for that as well. But Leona, you know,

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let's start with what got you into the whole bigfoot thing?

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To begin with, I've lived on.

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A three hundred and twenty one acre farm here in Kentucky,

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and for approximately two years, weird things kept happening. When

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I first moved there, there were probably twenty cats because

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the person that owned the farm before was a dairy

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farmer and apparently didn't spay your neoter. So there were

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a ton of cats running around everywhere, and I noticed

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that they were disappearing. And I had an inground pool

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and I actually had a fish one out from the

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deep end, when we all know cats don't like water,

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so I know it didn't decide to go swimming, and

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I kept telling myself that, oh, it's just coyotes. I

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would have my windows open before it got too hot

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for air conditioning, and between the pool house and the house,

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my bedroom.

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Was closest to the pool house upstairs, it would sound

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in the middle of night. I'd get awoken. It sounded

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like I heard a buffalo. And I don't know why my.

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Subconscious decided it was gonna be coyotes. And well, we

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all know kyotes are stealthy and will be standing next

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to you quietly before you know it. They do not

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sound like I heard a buffalo. And I had on

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the back of the farmhouse was a sun porch that

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had three doors, one faced the pool house faced the

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U shaped backyard, and we had a yellow lab Sammy.

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And my mother had gotten sick on her ninety third

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birthday and she was in Kindred healthcare the last six

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weeks that she lived, and I spent a lot of

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time between going there before work and Darren lunch until

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they kicked me out at night, so I had to

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put Sami out on the porch. The deck, our sun

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porch that was the bottom part was like sheet metal

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and the top part was like plexiglass, and there was

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a sliding glass door that I left open where she

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could just go out and do whatever she needed to

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do and come back in. And I there were times

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where I would fall asleep in the recliner in the

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living room, wake up late at night, walk through the

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family room to the kitchen, and turn right to the hallway.

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There's a huge dining room. Well, it was an older

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farmhouse and it had those large windows, and I would

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glance over to my right and there would be a

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silhouette in the window, and I would jump and I

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would think, man, I must be really sleepy.

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I am seeing things. And my mother before she got

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sicked on me, she said.

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Lena, this house is haunted. And I thought, oh lord,

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it's dementia, you know. And I'm like, Mom, our house

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is not haunted, and she's like, Lena, I'm telling you.

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I get up to go to the bathroom in the

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middle of night and there's this huge silhouette in my

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window every night. And I didn't think anything about it

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because I did not believe.

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In backfoot at all.

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I thought it was all hokey pokey and people in

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costumes making fake footprints and whatnot. I guess that's why

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I denied it for two years. One Friday night, after

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Mom had passed away, I had come home from work

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and I was sitting in the recliner and in the

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family room there were four large windows, one directly across

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from my recliner where the TV was. On that wall

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right next to me three inches away was a huge window,

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and on the back wall were two windows. And I

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woke up and I always left the blinds open just

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enough where I thought I could look out and no

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one could look in, And so I hit the remote

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to see what time it was. But I glanced at

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the window before I did that, and then I thought,

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where's my security light? Because there was on this side

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of the house was a horse stick past her, and

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then a huge security light where they would move cattle

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in and out after going to the stockyards late at

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night sometimes, and it would come. It was on from

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dusk till morning, and I thought, where is my security light?

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So I lean over on the arm of the chair

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toward the window, and I see this dark figure just

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twist its body and I thought, what was that? So

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like a ding dong, I leaned closer to the window

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and I am looking up the window and there were

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two amber color eyes, probably the size of a half dollars,

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staring right down at me. I jumped out of that recliner, ran,

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turned the light off, sat on the end of the

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couch across the room, and I'm like trying to figure.

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Out what was that?

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What did I just And then all of a sudden,

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I hear Sammy outside barking, and I'm, oh, my goodness,

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my dog is out there. So I jumped up and

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ran to the back door. Without thinking, I slung it

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open and she was right outside the sliding glass door

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by this huge tree. She would never get right up

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to the fence. She would stay on this side of

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the tree. She was barking and lunging, and she.

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Looks up and sees me.

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She comes flying back in and knocks me backwards back

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inside the door and stayed against the door.

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So I couldn't open it anymore. And she stayed there

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all night that way. Well, I went on, I went upstairs.

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Well, let me back up. Two weeks before that, my

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friend had come out to spend the night on the farm,

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and about twelve third at night, Sammy was at that

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same location, at that tree, barking and lunging. We had

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to go to Cincinnati. My friend's son was killed in Iraq,

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and she set up a scholarship and we were doing

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the bike riding and I was helping with sign in,

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so I needed my sleep so we could get up

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early and drive to Cincinnati. And I run down the

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steps and Karen's at the back door, and I'm like, Karen,

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what is she barking in?

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And She's like, I don't know. She saw me and

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knocked me in the door and she won't get off

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the door, and I said, well, tell her to shut up.

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We got to get up early, so I went back

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to bed, didn't think anything else about it. So that

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Friday night that it was looking at me when I

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was in the recliner, I ran back in there and

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I grabbed my cellphone.

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I had not yet.

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My mom had passed away a month before, and I

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had not touched her room yet. I just wasn't mentally

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there yet, so and I always made her keep a

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flashlight by her bed, So I grabbed that flashlight. I

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go running up the steps like a mad woman to

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my room, the bathroom, master bathroom. I could see the

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backyard on the right side of the house, and I'm

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calling Karen because I knew she would be up, And

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I said, Karen, what did you see that night?

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What did you see? And She's like, what is going on?

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So I told her.

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I said, there's some punks in a costume on each

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other's shoulder, trying to scare me. I said, Seamy is

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out there barking. She will not let me back out.

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I'm gonna look out my bathroom window and see if

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I can see anything, because she's still barking towards that tree.

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So there was this huge juniper bush that had never

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ever been pruned or trimmed back. I see this black,

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hairy figure crouched down at an angle. It didn't have

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its back completely to me. It was where it could still,

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I guess see me out of the corner of its eye. Well,

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I'm thinking it's punks trying to scare me, me and

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my daughter, because our house set like a half mile

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back off the road, and we're the only ones that

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we're living there. And I shine the light in the

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window and it glare back. So I put the phone

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on speaker, set it down and said, Karen, I got

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to lift the window.

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So I left the window and I'm shining the light

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flashlight in its face. I could see these very distinct leathery,

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skinting looking cheekbones, and.

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I'm yelling at it, thinking it's these kids. And I

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told it I didn't know who it was, but I

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had a gun. If it tried to come in the house,

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I would shoot them.

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And by the way, the police is on I no.

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Sooner got that out, that thing stood up, spun around,

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facing the house toward me, and let out this scream.

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I think every hair on my body raced straight up.

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At that point, I slammed the window down.

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Dropped the blinds, and I was backing up, and I.

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Must have temporarily kind of went into shock because Karen's

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screaming in the phone call the cops. Call the cops now.

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And that kind of snapped me out of it. And

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so I pick up the phone and I'm like, Karen,

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I'm not sure what that was. I said, I'm not

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calling the cops because they're going to think I'm some drunk,

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old single lady on a Friday night, you know, making

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up stories.

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You know, what do I say?

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Hey, a hairy man just screamed at me. And so

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I went down and I tried.

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To get the door open.

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See me, went and get the door off the door,

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so I turned all the outside lights on.

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I went on to bed. Didn't think anything else.

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About it, because I'm still not buying the Bigfoot story.

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On Tuesday night, after that Friday night, I'm waiting for

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the eleven o'clock news to come on. I'm reclined in

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that same recliner be the window on the back wall

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behind me. It took its fingernails and went down the

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screen so hard it took the black paint off. I

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have photographs down to the silver metal.

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And I unreclined. I went to bed.

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So the next morning I called my friend Karen, and

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I did not really have a gun. I was just

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mouthing off trying to scare those punks away. And I

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asked her. I said, Karen, you still have your gun.

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She's like yes, And I said, well, you come out

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this weekend. I promise I won't shoot anybody. I just

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want to shoot up in the air. These punks are

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harassing me and Sammy, and I need them just to

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get scared and to go away. And she's like, Lenette,

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it is not kids in a costume is Bigfoot? And

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apparently the night that night before, when I was waiting

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for the news to come on the news, there was

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a segment of this older lady that I passed her house.

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On my way to work every day. She raised those.

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Pigmy goats and something was climbing over the fence every

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night and taking away too at a time, they found

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hair stuck to the barbed wire and found a footprint.

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So I still wasn't buying it. And I went on

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to work. And I'm a paralegal and a gifted teacher

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from Shelby County High School came in to sign her

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estate planning. Afterward, we were just shooting the breeze and

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she's like, where do you live? And I said, oh,

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po Dunk and she's like, well, where is that? And

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I'm like, Kendry County and she goes, oh, that's Bigfoot

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capital of Kentucky. And I'm like, no, I don't believe

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in that, and she goes, oh, I don't think i'd

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say that. So I go back down to my office

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and I couldn't get Karen's voice out of my head

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or this teacher's voice out of my head.

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So I googled.

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Henry County, Kentucky, Bigfoot, and actually the KBrO website popped up,

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flashing and red was a new report that Friday night

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that I was in the recliner three quarters of a

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mile from my house a half hour after I had

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my sightings. A gentleman had come out of his friend's

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mobile home and got growled at, and it was rocking

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the back of his truck.

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And so.

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I saw the Contact US and I put a message

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and I said, listen, I don't believe in Bigfoot. I

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think it's hokey pokey, But if you want to come

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out here and scare these punks off.

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I would appreciate it.

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So the founder called me immediately and asked me to

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come out, and I said, no, I don't want to

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talk to you because I don't buy into this.

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I don't believe it. He said, just give me thirty minutes. Minutes.

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I said, okay, you got thirty minutes and that's it.

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So he came out and I showed him where it

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was looking in the window at me when I was

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in the recliner, and then I walked him around the

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U shaped backyard to where the one was crouched down,

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and he.

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Said to me.

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That where there's one, there's never just one, there's always

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more than one.

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He said, I think.

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You had a male looking in your window and the

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female was the one crouched down. And I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever,

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Still not buying into it. And he's like, listen, there

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after your dog. Because your dog's being aggressive. You've got

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to take your dog in.

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Still not buying it.

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So he finally convinced me that I need to bring

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Samy in, so I did. Sammy became a house dog

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again at that point, but Sami would never go upstairs.

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And sleep wheder. My daughter and I slept where our

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bedrooms were. She would lay at the bottom of the

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step facing the.

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Front door, and I never and every night.

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These bigfoots would come around and look through the windows,

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and Sammy knew when they were out there. Her shackles

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would raise and she'd come over and lean against me

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to protect me. And I think, okay, I'm just going

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to bed. I'm not dealing with this, and I just

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turn the lights out and go on to bed. And

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there were other incidents and stuff that happened on that

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farm that continued. I finally they were getting a little

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more aggressive, trying to push the front door open. They

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had actually split the wood on the front door where

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the dead boat was, and I guess that's why Sammy

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laid right there. And I moved from the farm. At

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that point.

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I was not feeling safe anymore.

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And I work long hours, so my daughter would be

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there by herself after dark, and she's autistic, and I

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worried about that. So it was then that being in

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the legal field, I have I have to know, you know,

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I have to analyze everything. It's just creature habit. I've

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been working in this field for forty three years. So

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my mind just works that way, and it's like, Okay,

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I got to know the why, how, where, and so

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that's when I became an investigator with the KBrO and

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then moved away to Florida, but I would come back

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here and do research.

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I did research.

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In Florida as well and found evidence and footprints and

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hair samples and stuff.

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And then.

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About a year ago I went to BFRO expedition and

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this is the story you want to hear. And we

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decided after the expedition they were about sick. Let's see,

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there were four of us that stayed behind, actually five,

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but he was with his wife, so he kind of

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stayed apart from our group.

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But there were five of us that stayed behind.

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Well, I had purposely put my tent in an area

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where at night you could hear when the juveniles came

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up that steep landscape, and you'd hear the thud when

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they'd hit the flat part outside my tent, and I

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had lay on my cot and watched because the moonlight blowing,

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you could see three young figures. And one night Kathy,

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my neighbor, she was in a little one man dome

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tent that you have to crawl in. You can't even

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sit up in, and she forgot to take her cooler

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in those three. First they stopped by my car because

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I forgot to move my car across the road out

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from in front of my door, and they were popping

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the handle.

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Trying to open the car, but couldn't figure out how

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to open it.

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And I slipped out of the cot and just unziped

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the corner of the door flat screen cover and pulled

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it down my finger and was watching them pull on

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the handles trying to get in there. Well, then they

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spotted the cooler between Kathy's in my tent, so they're

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over there and you can hear their nails scraping against

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the top of the cooler.

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They're moving it around. You could hear the melted ice,

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you know, moving and stuff.

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I watched them because I slipped across to that window

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and had barely pulled it down so they wouldn't hear the.

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Zipper was watching them.

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One of them got so frustrated it lets out a grunt,

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and then finally they got bored, I guess, and went

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on behind the rest of the tents along the back.

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They would come every night and Juvis do not bother

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me at all, and most adults have not bothered me

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at all. I've had several Class A sidings since I've

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been investigating since twenty thirteen, and after everybody, going back

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to the day that everybody went home earlier that day,

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another couple and Kathy and I had gone there at

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this location which I can't disclose, there are several old

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minds that they've closed, and so we went to see

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if we can get in any of the minds to

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see if there's evidence of them staying in there or whatnot.

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As we were coming back, the gentleman that was driving,

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he's like, did I'm just gonna make up a name.

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Did Chris tell you that we found burial mounds? And

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I'm like what And he's like they're bigfoot burial mounts

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and I'm like, no, no, I said, it's Indians. There

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were Indians on this land long before us.

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And they're like, no, these are huge.

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And one burial mound has recent where they've been digging

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with their hands, and I'm like, still not buying it.

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So he gets aggravated at me. So he pulls up

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where they where you can go down the steep hill

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to where they were to show me, and so we

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go down there. Sure enough, there were I think I

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counted nine side going down the steep hill side by side.

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He moves some leans over and you could see where

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they had been digging. I guess maybe they had just

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buried one, because the ground was not hard at that

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one where the handprints were.

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And I'm like, okay, I've seen enough. I'm ready to go.

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Let's go. We should not be messing with us at all.

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Well, there were some sticks propped in odd ways by

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some of the mounds. I didn't pay attention until we

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got up that steep incline. One of the people with

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us had decided to pull those sticks up and laid

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them against a tree before getting back in the vehicle. So,

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and the reason I'm telling you this is because I

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think this is what took the one off that I'm

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about to tell you about.

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Everybody leaves.

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Kathy and I have our tents far away from where

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the other part of our group that was staying was,

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and I'm like, no, I want to stay here because

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you know, I want to see what the juveniles do

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tonight with everybody else gone. But I had to leave

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at like five point thirty the next morning. So I

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was down there at the tent by myself, packing everything

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but my cot, my sleeping bag, and.

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I get everything loaded.

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In the car, I shut the hatch, I go zip

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my tent up, and I turned to walk about. The

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rest of them are about a quarter mile from where

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I was. So I start walking and I hear twigs breaking,

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and I can hear the leaves crunching on the other

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side of my tent in the woods, and I'm thinking,

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those Jewis are starting early tonight today because it was

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still daylight. It was probably about six o'clock. And so

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I'm walking. I get all the way up to where

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the restrooms were, I hear a large branch break snap off. Well,

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when I heard that, I spun around toward the sound,

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and when I did, up on its knuckles, and I

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could see from the waist up because the incline went

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straight down, so I couldn't see the rest of it.

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It was on its knuckles.

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It was a huge black bigfoot and it kind of

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I don't know if you call it a gruff at

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me because I'm standing there staring at it, thinking I

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have never seen such huge arms in my life.

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If I could compare them. I would compare them to

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a telephone pole, that's how large they were. And I

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just kept.

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So I'm standing there and it's like, okay, I know

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from years of researching and training and stuff, you'd make

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no sudden movements. So I knew not to yell out

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for the others. They all had their back turned to me.

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I like, slowly turn and look to see where my

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car is, to see if my car was closer or

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if the group was closer.

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And I was probably midway. It was a toss up

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which way to go, and.

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I'm thinking, Okay, an old fat woman can run fast.

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I'm out of here.

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So I took off toward them, and I'm like ago

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running up there, and I'm like, we're not alone.

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We're not alone.

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So they grabbed their equipment and their infrared equipment and

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thermal equipment and recorders, and we run down there and

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you could hear that thing crap through the leaves and

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the branches.

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Going down that hill back down to that area.

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And so they're like, listen, you and Kathy are not

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staying down here tonight by yourself. If we've got an adult,

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who is that brazing to come out in broad daylight

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and confront you.

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We're moving your tents. So we picked my tent.

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Up, Carrie all the way up to where what was

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base camp during the expedition, set it up up there.

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And.

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I while I was setting my tent back up, one

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of the people that I.

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Took on a trail the night before call me.

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We had left a re quarter that he picked up

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on his way out that day, and when he got

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home he listened to it and he's like, did you

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go back after you buried? Because I covered it up

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with leaves and put leaned it against a tree.

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He goes, did you go.

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Back and move it? And I'm like, no, why would

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you ask me that? He said, Listen, So he plays

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the recording and you can hear not long after I

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walked away from where I placed that recorder, you hear

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these footprints, footsteps.

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Walk right up to it.

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You hear something move the leaves, you hear it pick up,

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and then it's kind of like a oh crap moment,

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What did I just do?

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What am I going to do with this? And then

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it just drops it and leaves it. So I was like, no,

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I didn't move it. I said it was where I

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told you it was, and so.

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We talked about that for a few minutes, and then

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we went out and we all lined our chairs up

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and we're sitting there.

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This same bigfoot.

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Is in the tree line and it's peeking around the

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trees at us.

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And we had moved.

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My car up by the tree and moved Kathy's up

467
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by the tree so it'd be close the next morning.

468
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.400
Because she also had to leave early. And it would

469
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:28.079
not go away.

470
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.559
It kept stalking us from the tree line. And it

471
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:37.000
finally gets dark, it's still there and you could see

472
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:45.519
its eyes in the moonshine, and Marcia was there.

473
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.359
I have never seen Marcia unnerved.

474
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.519
Everybody was unnerved and kind of scared of this one

475
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.839
because it's in her actions and it would not go away.

476
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.680
So we decided to, for lack of better term, circle

477
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.559
of the wagons. They moved their campers where we were

478
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.400
like side by side. I took my tent down and

479
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.119
put it in the back of my car, and I

480
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.359
actually slept in the floorboard of Kevin's truck because he

481
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.400
had his little teardrop camper. He was sleeping and attached

482
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:25.839
to it, and probably three or four times during the

483
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.119
night you could fill the truck being pushed on and

484
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:31.920
their campers are being pushed on.

485
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:34.000
And.

486
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:40.759
I had when my alarm went off at five point thirty,

487
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.559
I shut it off really quick so it would be quiet,

488
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.680
and I'm trying to get up enough nerve because it's

489
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.640
dark to get from the truck to my car and

490
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:56.400
get out of there. Well as all of a sudden,

491
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:01.640
I hear Kevin fling his door open, and he had

492
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:02.880
his pistol in hand.

493
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.480
It had been rocking his camper.

494
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.559
And so he jumped out, and Laurie jumped out when

495
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.960
she heard his door, and then Marcia came out, and

496
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:17.799
I'm like, okay.

497
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.039
Guys, I'm out of here.

498
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.720
I couldnot even talk about that experience without breaking down

499
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:31.319
crying for a while. It's the threatening nature that this

500
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.240
one put off the fact that it's broad daylight.

501
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.519
It will not go away.

502
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.519
Adults don't want to be seen. Juv's are curious. They

503
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.799
get into a lot of trouble.

504
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:46.039
You know. They don't surprise me and I you.

505
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:51.440
Know, I have had encounters with other adults during the

506
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:57.759
day before, just by accident. You know, they run right

507
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.960
past you because you come out all of a sudden

508
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.920
of an area.

509
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:02.920
They didn't know you were.

510
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:09.519
And I at that point.

511
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.039
I was like, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore.

512
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.359
I feel threatened, and I've never felt that way before.

513
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:23.039
So Marcia and some of the others are like, we

514
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.200
got to get her back out there because she's gonna

515
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:27.400
she's scared to death.

516
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:29.680
She's not she's going to quit.

517
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.640
So a few months later, it was like two months

518
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.000
and it happened to be my birthday weekend by accident,

519
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.160
and I told Kathy, I said, I'm not sleeping in

520
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:46.519
my tent by myself there and we're at the same location, so.

521
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.839
We are in the tent. We all had radios.

522
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.680
Kathy and I were sharing a tent. I am sound asleep,

523
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.680
and I had the habit of pushing my cot all

524
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:05.160
the way against the back of the tent so my

525
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:11.720
pillow won't fall off. I was woken to a mudball

526
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.279
hitting the back of my head.

527
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.440
They were on the hill. It was probably a six

528
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:20.720
and a half foot.

529
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:26.759
Tall one, you know, I still call it a juvie

530
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:31.599
at that point, and it had there was a fallen

531
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.000
tree that had the muddy mud all around the roots

532
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.359
and stuff taken and made a mudball and hit me

533
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.000
in the back of the head, and when I woke up,

534
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.480
I could hear the mud sliding down the back of

535
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:47.039
the tent. So I grabbed Kathy by the arm. She's

536
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.240
sleeping lower than me because I was up on a

537
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.640
cot and she's on an air mattress, and I yank

538
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.039
her arm and I'm like, Kathy, I just got hitting

539
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.599
the head and it hurt because they have a lot

540
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.640
of force, and she's looking at me like I'm crazy.

541
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.200
Well about that time, Marsha radios us because she could

542
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.599
see the back of our tent and she's like, listen,

543
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.480
I don't want you to be scared, but there's a

544
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.920
six and a half foot bigfoot going back and forth

545
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:15.880
on the back of your tent.

546
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.200
And I said, I am aware.

547
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.720
I said, it woke me up, And of course Kathy,

548
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.640
she's like, do you want to turn the light on?

549
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.640
And I'm like, no, you don't ever turn the light on.

550
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.480
They'll know exactly where we're at in the tent. It's

551
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.359
going to show our shadows. And I said, don't ever

552
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.640
do that, and so we're being real quiet. It was

553
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:47.440
later that evening that Marcia had a visitor, and I'm

554
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.200
pretty sure it was that same big black one ran

555
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.440
her out of her tent fried equipment from the infrared.

556
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:00.200
Nobody could radio each other.

557
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:05.279
And she comes running down the path and she's knocking

558
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.159
on Laurie's camper door, you know, saying Laurie, Laurie, let

559
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.360
me in, and Laurie like yells across as Kathy Lenett

560
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.239
is that Marcia out there, And we're like, yes, open

561
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:24.559
the door, lotter in and so and then we all

562
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.320
got together and with flashlights and whatnot and went out

563
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:37.320
and it was pretty scary, and I was like, even

564
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.199
at that point, I was not sure I was ever

565
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.840
gone back out again. And it's like, if one is that,

566
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.039
I call him rogue because most of them are so

567
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.280
I don't want to say warm and fuzzy, gentle kind.

568
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:52.039
We don't.

569
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.239
We're still researching them, you know, And I know there

570
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:04.920
are rogue ones that are not d hearted or just curious,

571
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:09.599
but that that was a lot for me. It took

572
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:11.119
me a while to get back out there.

573
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:18.239
Leonette. That is absolutely wild. I have a few questions

574
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:23.960
for you. So obviously, just for people that are new

575
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.840
to the whole BFROO thing, we don't share the sites

576
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.639
where the expeditions take place because these are usually places

577
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:39.360
you go back to, or we don't want to cross

578
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.719
the streams, right, we don't want to muddy the waters

579
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.079
and have people come out to this area, and usually

580
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.760
they're being actively researched sometimes or sometimes it's a private,

581
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:54.320
private property, right, So that's why we're not saying info there.

582
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.079
Is it a thing where where you're okay with sharing

583
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.159
the state or do you want to keep that out

584
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:00.559
of it too.

585
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.559
The state's fine because Ohio is a big state, right.

586
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.239
And I have researched all over the place in Ohio.

587
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:15.920
So my grandson who is nineteen now, I would keep

588
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.760
him every other weekend there at the farm and that

589
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:24.280
got him into researching. And he is also a BFRO investigator.

590
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:29.519
I think the youngest one BFRO has. When he turned eighteen,

591
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.079
he was recommended. He's had his own podcast. He he

592
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.159
can give you all kinds of history on Bigfoot. We

593
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:43.320
have researched together since he was very young. He has

594
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.079
several casts, hair samples, audio samples.

595
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.320
He's very what's the what's the name of his show?

596
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.760
You know, I don't know what is all right, Well.

597
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.280
Maybe we'll get that from you later and we'll put

598
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.880
it in the show about that, because I'd love to

599
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:02.920
listen to that myself.

600
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:07.480
Yeah, he's had Amy Boo on there. He's had.

601
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:19.039
Oh I think Charlie Raymond was on there. I don't

602
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.119
know if Dusty Ruth was on there or not. He's

603
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.440
had several. Tom Shay was on there with him.

604
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:31.480
That's Tom is a great interview. Absolutely, Yes, what's his name?

605
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.000
Is that something else? Public?

606
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:37.239
Toby Crumb to b I Crumb, c are you in.

607
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.639
Good right now? The Bigfoot Journal said it.

608
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.440
That sounds he also uh, he also was on a

609
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:56.679
podcast with Catskill Appellation, okay, with a gentleman named Scott

610
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:57.360
and Mike.

611
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.679
All Right, well I got a little well, I got

612
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.039
a little uh, a little investigative work to do. It

613
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.880
sounds like, but I'll figure so.

614
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:07.000
So.

615
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:11.360
Also, I think another thing to point out it real

616
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:16.800
quick is that this happened after the sanctioned BFRO expedition

617
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:23.960
and expeditions we don't have firearms allowed. So when you're

618
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.199
talking about and then he got out of his pistol,

619
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.760
this is this is after the expedition. Some people hung out.

620
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:36.880
Exactly exactly, so yeah, yes, we were alone the expedition.

621
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:41.800
Everybody had left but us crazy ones that decided we'd

622
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:42.719
stay good night.

623
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.239
Longer to see what happens after by E left.

624
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.719
Which I think is actually it's it's probably a really

625
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.800
good idea on how to get interactions because if you

626
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.519
think about it, let's say, if there are big foot

627
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.880
in the area and you've got usually on the BFRO expeditions,

628
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:02.840
you've got more than a few people there hanging out,

629
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.960
and then everyone starts to leave, but then you've got

630
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.519
this small group of people that aren't leaving, and that's

631
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.280
when it's like, Okay, we got to get these guys

632
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.239
out here, let's maybe rev it up a little bit.

633
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.440
Is maybe what they're thinking. I've seen that happen before

634
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.239
in Oregon and situations I've been involved with. You know,

635
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.239
you make it look like you're leaving, and then it's like, oh,

636
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.039
we got to hang out because of this, and then

637
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.199
that's usually when the stuff happens. So yeah, absolutely, when

638
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.519
you had your your face to face and you're talking

639
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.760
about it was on its knuckles. How far away from

640
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.800
you would you say it was at that point.

641
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:45.719
Probably about one hundred yards Okay, Okay, it was rather close,

642
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.400
a little too close for comfort.

643
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.280
Yeah, absolutely, So that's like with the length of about

644
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.519
four tennis courts.

645
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.199
Yeah, No, that would be too far. I would say

646
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:57.320
one tennis court away.

647
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.840
Then, Okay, so that's actually an that's a length I

648
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:03.039
use on the show a lot.

649
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:09.440
So I would say one tennis court length. And that

650
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.880
might have even been a little bit far. It may

651
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:15.679
have been a little bit closer than that, just a

652
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.119
little bit, because it was it was still on the incline,

653
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.400
but right behind the bathrooms, and I was on the

654
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.559
trail right in front of the bathrooms when it broke

655
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:28.440
that huge branch.

656
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.400
Okay, so less than twenty five yards away.

657
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:33.800
Yeah, And I don't know if it did that to

658
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.760
get my attention because we came to an opening in

659
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.760
the trees at that point.

660
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:44.840
Were you able to see its face at all or

661
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.159
any emotions during that?

662
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.599
I saw its face, and I couldn't see its neck,

663
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.119
and I guess it's because it was, you know, pushed

664
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.440
up on its knuckles, but very very huge, broad shoulders

665
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:07.000
and dark eyes, and the hair just went straight down

666
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.039
onto its shoulders from its head.

667
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:18.079
Okay, any uh, did you notice any any forms of

668
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.679
emotion that were in its face or visible teeth or

669
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:23.360
anything like that?

670
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.039
Now it just.

671
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.400
I can't even mimic it gruffed at me when I

672
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.639
spun around, okay, and I don't know, That's what kind

673
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.800
of scared me, because did that and then the fact

674
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.239
that it was in that position, I mean, it could

675
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.239
have pushed off and if I'd have screamed and probably

676
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.760
taken me over the other side of the you know,

677
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.719
the hill, and nobody would have known where Leonette was.

678
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.400
I'd been on David Pisaldi's four on one Baby Missing

679
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.320
four on one.

680
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:04.480
Yeah, thankfully when you took off running, you know, you

681
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.400
always hear probably not the best idea to do that

682
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.440
now trigger predator response, but in this time, you just

683
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:13.199
had to do what you had to do.

684
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.239
And I stood there probably well, it seemed like an

685
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:23.280
eternity to me trying to decipher, Okay, is it my

686
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.239
car closer or the people closer?

687
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:27.679
What do I do?

688
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:32.639
I can't just stand here, and so I decided I

689
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.400
was going for the people. At least they could turn

690
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.840
around and see it drag me off, It drugged me off.

691
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:45.920
But I I just its dance was threatening, and then

692
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:52.119
that it was like a that gruff was almost like

693
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.719
a growy gruff, like threatening.

694
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.960
I think we ticked it off, messing with its mounds.

695
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.639
Sometimes, well a lot a lot of times on the show,

696
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.000
when people say a huff or gruff, they'll usually say

697
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.360
it sounded like it was disappointed, but you're saying it

698
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.400
sounded like it.

699
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.239
Was like an angry Yeah, that thing was mad. It

700
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:18.360
was threatening.

701
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:29.559
The burial mounds. That's really interesting because that's not really

702
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.159
something to throw around lightly. Now the people that were

703
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.800
involved with that, were they seeing bones or anything, or

704
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.840
just it looked like it had been dug up a bit.

705
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:48.599
No, it was it was covered like the dirt was

706
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:53.880
up high and leaves had fallen on it because it

707
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.400
was fall time. And you know, I just I really

708
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:05.199
wasn't buying until I all the size of them.

709
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.360
An Indian is not that big, let me tell you.

710
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.360
These mounds were huge. And then when.

711
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.360
The leaves were moved and you could see where that

712
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:26.039
finger marks, right, Yeah, they don't have tools, so they

713
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.440
would be using their hands, is what I was analyzing.

714
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.480
And at that point I was like, Okay, we need

715
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.119
to go because you know, I've always been told since

716
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.679
I started researching, there's always a century that stays awake

717
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.760
during the day to guard the others, and I thought,

718
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.599
I almost guarantee you we're being watched by a century

719
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:56.000
because I'm sure they're protecting if that's their loved ones,

720
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.000
you know, buried there. And here we are moving stuff around,

721
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.519
and then one person pulled the sticks out, and I,

722
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:12.440
you know, I talked to Tom Shay and because we're

723
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.880
good friends, and I was telling him about it, and

724
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.599
he says, that was their warning for you to get

725
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:28.760
to stay out. And I said, okay, I've had another

726
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:34.039
incidence with sticks before where a group of us is

727
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.960
a dead winner. There's snow on the ground that was

728
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.320
kind of melting. We hiked probably eight miles back too.

729
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.360
I love old cemeteries.

730
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.679
And of course you know they say that bigfoots love

731
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:51.800
them too. I don't know.

732
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.880
I don't like going the cemeteries at night, but so

733
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.519
I don't know if that's true. But we hiked and

734
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.679
hiked until we ran out. It was almost like a

735
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.719
military workout. We hiked and we had to climb over

736
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.400
down trees and there was this steep incline we had

737
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.679
to go up, so we were using these saplings to

738
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.320
pull ourselves up. When we came back, those saplings were

739
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.639
bent over and tied together. And right before we got

740
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:35.400
to that point, there was something heavy in the tree

741
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.159
over to the far left of us when we were

742
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:42.039
headed this way, that jumped down and you hear this

743
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:50.800
thunderous thud, and then you hear footsteps and there were

744
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:55.800
prints in the snow at that point. Well, we stopped

745
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.000
and we took pictures of the saplings being tied together.

746
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.280
So I was talking to Tom on what his theory

747
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.159
was on that. He said, they were telling you to

748
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.320
stay out, not to come back. And I said, well,

749
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.039
the weird thing was it wasn't just the saplings. We

750
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.480
get back to the trail that we had hiked back

751
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:23.280
that far on there was a rather large branch that

752
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.239
was and there was a handprint on the ground right

753
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:31.280
beside it. It was shoved down in the ground. And

754
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.400
he said, that's your morning, not to come back.

755
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.840
That's wild. And if anyone would know, I mean, just

756
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.360
because the amount of time that guy has put into this,

757
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.039
Tom would probably have a good idea of what he's

758
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.039
talking about. I mean, Tom Shay so much experience out there,

759
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:55.440
it's nuts. Yes, over the years, how many how many

760
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.159
investigations do you think you've been on?

761
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.760
Oh goodness, Toby and I have done a ton on

762
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.079
our own. I have done investigations in Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio,

763
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.960
West Virginia, Florida, and Missouri.

764
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.039
Okay, And what about BFROO sanctioned ones.

765
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.239
I just started with the BFRO because I hung with

766
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:23.400
Charlie's KBrO O for a long time. So I've been

767
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.360
part of the BFRORO now for two years. I believe,

768
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:33.960
I just never even thought about it before. And then

769
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.760
I'd met Uh Dusty, and I was like, you know what, Dusty,

770
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.480
I'm gonna He kept asking me to come to one

771
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.639
of his he does the Ohio ones, right, and I said, okay,

772
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:48.079
I will, And so I asked him if I could

773
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:49.599
bring my grandson with me.

774
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.320
He was seventeen at the time.

775
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.000
He wasn't, you know, an adult yet and had to

776
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.679
have an adult and so uh and he knew Toby

777
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.280
and knew he's an avid researcher and had a lot

778
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:02.239
of knowledge.

779
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:03.719
And evidence and stuff.

780
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:09.079
And so we went and I learned, you know, you

781
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:15.199
learned so much like sharing your experiences and your evidence

782
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.760
that you've collected with other researchers and you get different views,

783
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:26.719
different takes, you know. And I had Finally, I never

784
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.800
thought about it before all these years of keeping a journal,

785
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:38.599
and after after the experience with the one on it's knuckles,

786
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:41.199
I went back in my head and wrote down as

787
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.800
much as I could remember about, you know, past some

788
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:50.360
of the riveting. I guess i'd call it experiences that

789
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:55.800
I've had. I had one experience where I was camping.

790
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:02.679
I was by myself in a smaller tent, and I

791
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.199
had the top flap off because it was so hot

792
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.360
but during the day, and I did not put the

793
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.400
flat back on it that night because we were out

794
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:18.760
until probably four point thirty in the morning, hiking and

795
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.400
looking and researching. And I came in and I set

796
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.840
my alarm for five point thirty because to get out

797
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.920
of that campground you had to catch a ferry at

798
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.880
six am is when it started running. And I wanted

799
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.679
to go see Toby before I went back to Florida.

800
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:45.679
And my alarm goes off. I turn it off, and

801
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.840
I'm thinking, Okay, I just need ten more minutes sleep and.

802
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.480
I'll get up. I drop it in the pocket. Right

803
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.920
by my head are these two heavy footsteps. Oh man,

804
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.559
it circles my tent.

805
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.199
I look up at the screen mesh part at the

806
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.840
top of the tent you could see where a face

807
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:17.760
had been like pressed down wanting me sleep. So I

808
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.800
was like, oh my gosh, I am down here by myself.

809
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.880
The person that brought the tent for me, because I

810
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.239
flew into Nashville and then drove where we were, and

811
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.159
he brought like a sleeping bag for me in that

812
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.159
tent and a little heater. I crawled over and turned

813
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.239
the mister heater over and to get rid of that

814
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.960
glow in the light, and I sat down on the

815
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.239
air mattress. I have never let the air out, folded

816
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.679
it and rolled up a sleeping bag so fast in

817
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.239
my life. I threw my clothes on, I grabbed my backpack.

818
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.000
I put my head lamp on.

819
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.400
I'm listening to see if it was, you know, still

820
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.559
out by the tent.

821
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.760
I don't hear anything, so I ends up it and I.

822
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:01.440
Zip that tip back up.

823
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.079
I went running back up and the car that I

824
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.360
run and had it was a jeep. I hit the

825
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.840
hatchback button so it had come open. I like ran past,

826
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.880
throwing my stuff and slammed the thing down. Well, John,

827
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.079
the guy that brought the tents for me, he had

828
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.000
slept in his car because it's supposed to rain that

829
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.960
next morning, and he'd already packed up everything but that

830
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.840
little tip and I'm like taking off out of there

831
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.280
and I'm waiting on the ferry to come.

832
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.639
And he messaged me. He's like, what's going on? Are

833
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:35.159
you okay?

834
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.679
And so I told him what happened, and he's like,

835
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.480
I have never seen you move so fast in my life.

836
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.280
I said, I'm never staying down there by myself, because

837
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:49.480
that was a creepy campsite.

838
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:49.960
Anyway.

839
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.519
We've heard singing in the middle of the night and

840
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.679
what sounded like singing down in there, and it's just

841
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.679
real creepy, and I don't know, I should just slip

842
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.320
in my car, but you know, that didn't scare me

843
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.920
enough where I wasn't going back. Toby and I have

844
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:12.360
had I have actually gotten zapped before.

845
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:13.519
Okay.

846
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:18.679
We camped one Labor Day weekend and we actually got

847
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:26.039
paralleled because it got dark on us coming off the trail, and.

848
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:26.440
I guess it followed us back to camp.

849
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:31.239
We came back, I was fine, and we cooked hot

850
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.719
dogs and did somemores, you know, and stayed up till

851
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.800
probably midnight, and then we decided we go to bed

852
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.199
because we were going to go back out hiking again

853
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:45.079
the next day. And we had his dog with us

854
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.440
and I had my elderly Sammy, the dog that.

855
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:51.519
I had on the farm.

856
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.320
And all of a sudden, Toby sits up. He zips

857
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.239
up the window beside him and his foot and he's like, Mimi,

858
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.239
zip her windows up. There's something pacing behind her tent.

859
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.360
And I'm like, oh, Toby, go to sleep. It's nothing. Well,

860
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.559
then I start staring out the window to see if

861
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.559
I see anything because his dog is freaking out.

862
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:15.119
She's going from his.

863
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.760
Sleeping bag across the tent over to me, back and forth,

864
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:27.440
back and forth. And all of a sudden, I got

865
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:32.000
sick as could be. And I know this is gross,

866
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.760
but I didn't throw up the hot dog in this morning.

867
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.280
It was acid like from my stomach. Oh wow, And

868
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.119
I think goodness. I had an empty cooler right beside

869
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.679
me because.

870
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.079
I did not have time to get out of the tent,

871
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.199
and I was sick for probably a good thirty minutes

872
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.559
and then I was fine. And they'll say the cooler

873
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:55.760
got thrown in the dumpster.

874
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:57.360
It wasn't taking it back.

875
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:02.320
But when we got up the next morning we had

876
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:07.519
been gifted. There were a stack of different color creek

877
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:11.519
rocks stacked up where Toby's feet were on the outside

878
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:16.360
of the tent, and there's like where are where.

879
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:20.159
We were camped. They had to carry those a little

880
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.320
distance to get them to us. There were no rocks.

881
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.000
I was going to ask you about that if that's

882
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.119
ever happened. The only time I've ever been gifted is

883
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:34.960
I was joining a solo tent camp in somewhere in

884
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.599
Iowa where I'm from, and had something walking around my

885
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.960
tent at three in the morning. And then the next

886
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.199
next day I get out of my tent and there's

887
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:51.400
a squirrel tail stuck through the times of a plastic fork.

888
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.039
Oh wow, in front of my tent. I was like,

889
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.000
what is going on with you guys out here? But

890
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.239
that's a different story. But do you ever wish you

891
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:03.599
could go back to owning that farm property?

892
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.960
I do? I do. I would love to go back,

893
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.960
and because.

894
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.119
You know, the added years of research and the knowledge

895
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.039
that I've gained through the years, and I don't even

896
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.079
know who owns it now. I do know that when

897
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:22.760
I moved.

898
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.719
Out, there was a young couple with two small children

899
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.400
that moved in. They didn't stay thirty days. And I

900
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:29.719
guarantee it's because.

901
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.639
Of their visit nightly visitors, because I would go out

902
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:36.039
in the morning and there were two different sized footprints

903
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:42.679
by every window. And one time I know that there

904
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.559
was a juv at one time because I went out

905
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.239
and you could see where the mom had sat down.

906
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.800
You could eat see like the butt crack, and you

907
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.400
could see the big legs out and then you see

908
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.320
this little head and shoulder imprint in the grass. I

909
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.920
guess they before they went in for the night or something.

910
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:07.079
I don't know what they were doing, but I have

911
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.880
pictures of that as well. And then Toby and I

912
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.920
had hiked way back on the farm and you know

913
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:18.920
the big round bell's straw that are taller than you

914
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.559
or I. Something had taken from the top and made

915
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.159
like a little nest and there was like the little

916
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:30.960
leg princes, little butt prints in that straw. And I

917
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.599
was like, come on, Toby, we're going We're too close.

918
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.039
That's intense. And did you say, is that Kenton County, Kentucky?

919
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:39.880
No, that was Henry County.

920
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:41.000
Oh, Henry County.

921
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.800
Oh, yeah, it's right next to Tomsha.

922
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.079
Tom's in Trumble, And I actually talked to Tom at

923
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.639
Kryptocon and he told me he goes Leana, that farm

924
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.039
is hot right now.

925
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.920
It's a really hot area. I said, I.

926
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.599
Would kill to go back right now and just camp overnight,

927
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:01.400
you know.

928
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.920
And that farm, yeah, or.

929
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.440
And another incident that happened when I lived on that farm.

930
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.679
A horse had kicked out of its fence. It had

931
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.559
bite marks on its haunches, oh man, And it was

932
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.719
running down the road, and a state trooper comes popping

933
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.400
over the hill about hit it. So he reaches out,

934
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.119
grabs his bridle and brings it to the farm, opens

935
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.119
the gate and puts them back in the farm because

936
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.280
he didn't know where it went at that time of

937
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:39.719
the morning. And I never knew what that horse's name was.

938
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.840
It was a trained show thoroughbred horse. I mean it

939
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:43.719
was a huge horse.

940
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.159
It was beautiful.

941
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.239
Except for now it had to scar, you know, the

942
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.119
teeth marks on its haunches.

943
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.480
Every night when it would get dusky.

944
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.000
I had that horse for like six weeks before they

945
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.760
finally came and got it. It would run up and

946
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.119
down the fence road with a wild looking as eyes

947
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:05.199
trying to escape trying to get away. So I'm sure

948
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.960
they were harass in it on that farm. And that

949
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:12.199
was before you know, I admitted what lived on the

950
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.360
farm with us.

951
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:18.880
Yeah. Man, I've heard very similar accounts out of Southeast

952
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:24.400
Iowa to do with horses and them having like the

953
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:30.920
same markings after let's say they've been messed with Sasquatch.

954
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.920
I don't even think that conversation wasn't an episode, to

955
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.320
be honest, but yeah, it just seemed like there's some

956
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:43.480
connection there with Sasquatch and horses and them messing with

957
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:54.159
horses for sure. Do you have any advice for individuals

958
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.159
that are wanting to go out and to have try

959
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:03.639
to make some sort of contact with Bigfoot out there?

960
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:11.679
Never go alone? Number one, don't ever go alone. Well,

961
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:16.360
several reasons. You could get snake bit. Oh yeah, who's

962
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:18.719
gonna who's gonna help you? Uh?

963
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:25.480
Number two, you would be easy pray being alone. And

964
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:30.719
I would say do not carry a gun because I'm

965
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:37.440
fairly sure they can sense that, and being primate, you

966
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:41.719
know they smell it, the powder, the metal. You become

967
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:48.360
a threat at that point. And and uh, if you

968
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:54.760
wanted an interaction with them, I know people do tree knocks,

969
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.760
and sometimes you get a tree knock back.

970
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.880
Sometimes you don't.

971
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.199
They're probably back there chuckling, saying to themselves in their

972
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.480
Bigfoot language, here's some crazy humans.

973
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.519
Again trying to be us.

974
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:18.400
But rock clacks picking up two rocks and clacking them.

975
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:23.320
That seems to have a lot of interaction. Sometimes you'll

976
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.159
get a callback on a whoop. They also use like

977
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:34.719
the the barred owl calls. I've had them come in

978
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.719
camp at night and in the morning time when it

979
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.639
was time is about to get daylight. They signal each

980
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.639
other wherever they're at. You'll hear one over here, and

981
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.599
you'll hear one over here and one over there, and

982
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:57.840
then they're gone. And so the communication and just being

983
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.679
still sometimes and just listen where you're at.

984
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:04.840
They're very curious.

985
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.440
They want to know about you like you want to

986
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.079
know about them.

987
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.159
Absolutely. Do you have any thoughts about what you think

988
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.760
bigfoot is and you kind of alluded to that in

989
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:19.480
your last answer. I think a little bit.

990
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:25.199
I think they're fleshed in blood, and and you know

991
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.920
there's that thing that some people believe they cross through

992
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:32.559
a portal like an alien does, or you know, I

993
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.599
don't believe that I think they're flesh and blood. I

994
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.519
think that they've been here so long that they've overpopulated.

995
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:44.559
And that's why now we're having the encounters we're having because.

996
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:48.800
They're they're so overpopulated. It's kind of.

997
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:56.079
You know, not as thin. And you know they've spread

998
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:56.880
out to other.

999
01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:00.480
States and you know, used to all you ever heard.

1000
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:07.119
I know when I was smaller and Patterson Gimlin was

1001
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:13.639
on TV and you only heard about him being out

1002
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.440
towards California, Oregon, Washington State.

1003
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:20.360
You didn't hear about him being all the way in.

1004
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:26.320
Like Maryland and New Jersey and and you know, Tennessee

1005
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:29.480
and anywhere there's trees and there's food, they're going to be.

1006
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.559
It's it's such a fascinating topic. I love it. And

1007
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.480
it's just every individual I have on seems to have

1008
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:46.280
it their own different viewpoint. It's very cool. But I

1009
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:49.679
always I always love talking to b FRO investigators. You

1010
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:53.639
guys are great, So, you know, thank you so much

1011
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.000
for being on the show. Leonette. I want to make

1012
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.239
sure if you'd be able to spend a few minutes

1013
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.480
talking about how people can maybe check out a BFROL

1014
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.599
expedition for themselves. Or if there's anything else that you

1015
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:11.039
would like to share that you're involved with, you know,

1016
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:12.039
feel free to do that.

1017
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.920
We actually have a bfro O one coming up the

1018
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:21.920
last weekend. It's from Thursday through Sunday and this month

1019
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.800
in Ohio. If you get on the bfro O website,

1020
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:33.239
there is a page that lists I think the Colorado

1021
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:38.679
one is in July. They have them all across the

1022
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:45.199
United States and the different experienced investigators are the ones

1023
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:53.079
that lead them and they can reach out to. On

1024
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:55.239
that page there will be a link you can get

1025
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.239
more information what the cost is.

1026
01:04:58.039 --> 01:04:59.519
You'll never find out where it's.

1027
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.039
Going to be until a few days before, and you

1028
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:06.119
have to sign a non disclosure because you don't want

1029
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.320
to be disclosing where the areas are. And get a

1030
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:16.519
bunch of you know, people that I Bigfoot hunter wannabes.

1031
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.239
I say, because they're just in it for the the

1032
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.960
hype of bigfoot. You know, I'm in it because I

1033
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.440
want to know more about about these elusive beings, especially

1034
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.519
since they stalked me. And you know, my very first

1035
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.320
experience was when I was four years old in Alton, Illinois,

1036
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.800
and I thought it was a gorilla and I put

1037
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.639
it completely out of my mind until I had to

1038
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.880
admit what I saw in Kentucky. And then I researched

1039
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.599
the Autumn Telegraph and sure enough, they called it the

1040
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:55.000
Mississippi mud Monster. There was a circus that would camp

1041
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.960
out on the river bank and it would stalk the

1042
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:03.480
horses every night. And it was the same year that

1043
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.519
I saw the gorilla.

1044
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.840
Oh wow, no way, because that's yeah, that's right over

1045
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:15.559
there by Saint Louis, which, Oh my goodness, that's wild.

1046
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.280
That's very cool. You were you were involved with that

1047
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.159
as well. So you said it looked like had a

1048
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:22.119
gorilla look like.

1049
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.519
Well, when you're a kid, you're thinking, you know, I

1050
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.119
never heard a bigfoot. At four years old, I was

1051
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:32.440
at my grandmother's house and it stepped out broad daylight

1052
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.239
out of the evergreens as I was running down the

1053
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:36.440
steps on.

1054
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:37.280
The back of the house.

1055
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:39.840
Needless say, I turned and ran back up the steps

1056
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.519
and locked the door and hit under the bed. And

1057
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:47.880
then there was a second time when I was four

1058
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.400
at her house and we had the windows open and

1059
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:57.400
I smelled this awful stinky sewery, just horrible smell. And

1060
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:02.199
the streets in Alton area because of the flooding, and

1061
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:06.639
they all go downhill, and she lived on Seventh Street

1062
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.760
then and I smelled that and I got up and

1063
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.960
it was pitch black outside, and I was waiting for

1064
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.960
Grandpa to come home. And you could hear its nails

1065
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:23.440
as it was walking, scraping on the sidewalk, and I

1066
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:28.880
see it, and I backed up and sat down.

1067
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.880
And I don't know as a kid if I went

1068
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:33.360
in shock.

1069
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:37.920
But my brother and my grandmother were like, Lynette, Leannette,

1070
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:38.360
what's wrong?

1071
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.440
What's wrong? What can I do? What can I do?

1072
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.639
I did not drink coffee, but for some reason I

1073
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:47.559
said coffee, and so she brings me a cup of coffee.

1074
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:49.239
Of course I spit it out, and then I snapped

1075
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.239
out it and I started crying, and I said, I

1076
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:53.880
don't want Grandpa to come home. It will get Grandpa,

1077
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.119
it will get Grandpa. Well, I totally put those two

1078
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.559
episodes out of my mind until I hadn't met what

1079
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.639
had been going on for two years on the farm.

1080
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:09.639
And then I researched that year, and sure enough the

1081
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.239
Autumn Telegraph, you.

1082
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.199
Can find the article in there. It is that same

1083
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:15.840
nineteen sixty nine year.

1084
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.279
Okay, sixty nine because I think that's the same town

1085
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.680
where they had the thunderbird that almost carried off the

1086
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:24.920
kid in the forties. I don't know if you've ever

1087
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:29.079
looked into that. It's a pretty much yeah right, and.

1088
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.520
It's an Indian legend and they have it was the

1089
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:38.039
Indians painted it up on a cliff and they have

1090
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:43.279
repainted it. I still have family in that area, and

1091
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.560
they've repainted it, and now they've put like the story

1092
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.720
right by it where you can learn about the history

1093
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:52.680
of the piosal bird.

1094
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.279
Fascinating stuff. That whole area around Saint Louis has so

1095
01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:59.560
much weird stuff going on. We've talked about it on

1096
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:04.319
the show before. If listeners want to check it out,

1097
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:06.840
seven ninety two is a good one to listen to,

1098
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:14.760
and eight thirty nine and seven twenty four. For Big

1099
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:17.800
for Society episodes around Saint Louis. You can always go

1100
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.479
to the Bigfaciety podcast dot com citing map two and

1101
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:25.000
see everything on there. But my goodness, such such a cool,

1102
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:28.279
cool conversation. I always love hearing about stuff that happens

1103
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:34.119
on BFRO investigations. There's not one hundred percent, you know,

1104
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.359
guarantee that you're gonna have stuff happen, but there's always

1105
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.119
a good likelihood that you will have something cool happen.

1106
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:44.039
They put themselves into good areas. So Leonette, thank you

1107
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.920
so much for coming on the show. I appreciate you

1108
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.000
spending some time talking to us today.

1109
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:50.000
You're welcome.

1110
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:53.119
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1111
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.399
around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I

1112
01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.279
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1113
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:03.840
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

1114
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.479
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1115
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:12.439
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1116
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:16.479
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even

1117
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.399
better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be

1118
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:23.520
one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably

1119
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.840
I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard

1120
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:35.000
anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you

1121
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:37.560
just gotta be there. We'll leave at that. More about

1122
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.359
looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out.

1123
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:46.279
You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching

1124
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:50.560
for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go

1125
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.880
to the festival, but you can also sign up for

1126
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:01.920
a track Deep in the Wild Force outside of Oakridge

1127
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.880
with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot.

1128
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:11.079
There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes,

1129
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.800
this will also be filmed for the next chapter in

1130
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.239
his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is

1131
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.760
a once in a lifetime deal. It's just trust it's

1132
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:25.720
going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket,

1133
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:30.079
head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners

1134
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:35.600
can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast

1135
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.199
in order to get a two day pass for the

1136
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:42.439
price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla

1137
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:48.640
for giving me that code so that you guys can

1138
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:52.520
can get a little a little help with the costs there.

1139
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:56.399
Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the

1140
01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.520
booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter.

1141
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.119
Was able to talk to so many people last year

1142
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:07.399
and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're

1143
01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:09.159
not going to want to miss it, and I'll see

1144
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.520
you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to

1145
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.800
say something directly to a very specific group of listeners.

1146
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.760
If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and

1147
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:23.720
if you've seen something that no one can explain, or

1148
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.840
if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's

1149
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.720
been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot

1150
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.279
who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if

1151
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:36.880
you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence

1152
01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:40.079
and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about.

1153
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.319
And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue

1154
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:47.239
responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1155
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.600
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1156
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.760
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1157
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.279
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1158
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.760
a biologist, a Wildlife special list, or a field researcher

1159
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.560
under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1160
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:08.560
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1161
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:12.079
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1162
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.880
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1163
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.279
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1164
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.119
then I want to talk to you even if it's anonymous,

1165
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.399
you can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1166
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.279
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1167
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:38.159
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1168
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.479
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1169
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.359
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1170
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.840
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1171
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.039
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1172
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.920
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

1173
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.760
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1180
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.800
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1181
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:20.720
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1182
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1183
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1189
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you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

1190
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Society until next time, Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

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and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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And see you in the woods.