Ambushed by Bigfoot in Washington

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to Kevin llewellyn,

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bigfoot researcher, about his multiple bigfoot
encounters he's had over the years throughout

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the Pacific Northwest. You've experienced something
similar to what Kevin has or have more

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information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in
the same area, please reach out immediately

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to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key to

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unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me

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at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. All right, big for Society,

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I've got the pleasure of talking to
mister Kevin o'wellen from the Spokane, Washington

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area. Bigfooter out there. How's
it going today, Kevin? Oh great,

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great, lots to talk about.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm a

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lifelong bigfoot enthusiast and I've lived in
this area all my life and I graduated

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from Washington State University College of Veterinary
Medicine and i was a veterinarian for thirty

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five years. Oh well yeah,
recently retired though, and so that means

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more time to get out there in
the woods. And as a veterinarian I

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like to approach things from a biology
scientific angle and approach approach things first that

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way. But what got me started
or got my interest in bigfoot was at

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the age of ten years I saw
Roger Patterson present in person the Patterson Gimlin

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film here in Spokane, and that
night I got his autograph. Later,

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I signed up for his bulletins.
I sometimes referred to him as newsletters,

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but he sent out, yeah,
about three a year, and I had

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seven original bulletins from him that I
kept all through my life, and just

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recently I thought, you know,
I need to do something with this history.

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I mean, I had my original
membership certificate that came with the bulletins

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and such and so all this,
like you say, originally from Roger Patterson,

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and I recently donated them to the
North American Bigfoot Center in Boring,

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Oregon. Cliff Barrickman's Yeah, that's
one of the big takeaways I had from

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your book Incessantly Bigfooting that you can
Get, which is a really well written

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book. It's very interesting. But
I like how in that book you actually

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have quotes from Patterson's bulletins kind of
interspersed through the chapters, which is really

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cool being able to read, you
know, some parts of those bulletins that

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that Roger Patterson would send out.
So you were a very young individual.

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I would imagine when you saw Patterson
present that film, do you remember anything,

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you know, anything that struck you, you know, being able to

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see him present, like what came
across to you as how he was as

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a person or anything like that,
or yeah. I still remember, Okay,

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these guys on stage in cowboy boots
and I still remember that. And

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then I remember the film coming on
and you know, on the big screen

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like that in the Spokane Colisseum,
and my mind was just you know,

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like, look at that animal,
look at that move. That's an animal,

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that's not a person in a suit. Yeah, and I still yeah,

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just you know, and that's just
been with me all my life.

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Was that was my first thoughts.
You know, that's an animal. What

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approximate year was that? Would you
say? It would have been that I

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can't remember the month, and I
you know, and I wish I would

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have had I don't know if they
gave out any kind of official tickets or

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anything, would have had an original
Yeah, that would have been something too,

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to go along with getting his autograph
from that. But but anyway,

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you know, he did this tour, so he actually he was down in

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Portland and Salem, Oregon. He
was in in Idaho, can't remember all

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those different places. Was he in
Missoula, Montana? And so he did

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this tour before going to Vancouver,
British Columbia. And that's where all the

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primatologists psycho people gathered to watch the
film, was in Vancouver, British Columbia.

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Oh interesting, Okay, that's really
cool. So this is probably take

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place a few years after sixty seven
then, well just actually months oh it

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was months after this month really,
And when I signed up for his bulletins,

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my original membership certificate, it was
dated like March of sixty nine.

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Oh wow. So yeah, so
he was doing he was all involved after

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of course October of sixty seven.
And of course he was all involved though

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that next those next several months and
that next year with you know the film

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and yeah, and everybody analyzing the
film. Oh yeah, yeah, and

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then he yeah, and then he
got his his Bigfoot association, his research

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association going and put out like say, put out these newsletters and six dollars

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a year back then, and so
that's awesome. I signed up the first

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of nineteen sixty nine. Then I
signed up for it. Really was the

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original Bigfoot Patreon, you know Patterson's
club. That's amazing. Yeah, everything

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you were talking about, you know, the quotes and that and the things

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that he wrote in those newsletters that
he his thinking was. I mean,

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we're still doing the same things now
or things now that he was wanting to

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do and doing back then. His
thinking was far ahead. And yeah,

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he was so wild. He Yeah, he knew Bigfoot was. Was Bob

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Gimmelin on stage during that as well. No, it's just my lack of

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information. Yeah, if you go
check with the history, follow the history,

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you know there was a separation there. Oh that's right. Yeah,

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yeah about that, okay, gotcha, gotcha. So some other gentlemen that

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were involved there, Yeah there was
okay, he gotcha? All right?

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Fair enough. Wow. The cool
thing that you mentioned, you've already mentioned

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it. But people can go to
the North American BIGFA Center and they can

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see your stuff that you donated.
And I believe it was twenty eleven,

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Cliff has that up on. You
know, people can actually see and he

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took a cast, made a copy
of one of your bigfoot casts as well.

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Right, Yeah, I had a
sighting and I was fortunate enough to

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have a track there then, and
I got a cat. I was on

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the hillside where it went over the
embankment from the four service road, the

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logging road, and there on the
hillside was this track. And we walked

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up to it and the first thing
that I know, there was a big

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toe. But then the also so
the first almost what caught my attention more

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was there was this like little toe
that was angled out and it had pushed

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it had slid and pushed up dirt
in front of the toes. And I

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always try to take pictures of any
possible track that I find, and not

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just one picture from above. We
see that all the time, right,

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everybody wants to take a picture from
above, they put their boot by it.

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But with due to light angles,
you should take five pictures of each

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track from the front, from the
back, from each side, and from

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above. And so I walked up
to it and was going to take start

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taking pictures and I actually slipped on
the hillside and slid on my head.

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Wow, And so I just you
know, yeah, so I'm like,

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forget the pictures. I need to
try to cast this thing, and I

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the cast material was starting to run
downhill. Of course I was panicking.

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I was like, oh no,
this isn't gonna this isn't gonna work.

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But the cast did turn out very
well. And Cliff barrickman Yah made copies

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of it, and he has then
a copy. I have the original,

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but he has a copy on display
at the North American big Foot Center.

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And so it on the you know
how these forest service roads, these logging

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roads are cut into the hillsides,
and so on the left was this the

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hillside going up. And on my
right then was the drop off going downhill.

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And there was this boulder that was
like three and a half feet high

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and I measured later approximately three and
a half feet high, three and a

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half feet wide, extended up the
road for four and a half feet.

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And I look up come around this
corner, and I look up ahead,

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and I see black between this boulder
and the hillside on the left. But

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I, you know, but there's
black decaying wood all over the forest.

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So I didn't think anything of it, you know, And so but I

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kept approaching this boulder and the road
had to curve around it just a little

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bit and it was really narrow at
that spot. So my focus went to

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the you know, like, okay, I got to creep around this boulder,

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you know, yeah, and paying
attention to how the road went there,

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just wide enough to get around it. And all of a sudden,

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this figure leaped out in frontly behind
the boulder. Yeah, and so I

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did not see a face. This
was side view, but it was in

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the air it leaped and yeah and
so and there was no nose, no

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ears. You know, it was
black short hair or bear length hair.

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And some people may say, you
know, well you saw a bear,

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but it was there. There was
no nose, there were no front legs,

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there were no arms out, even
though it reminded me of like if

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I was looking side from the side
view at a quarter at a linebacker lunging

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to tackle a quarterback. Okay,
wow, so this is we asked,

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So if that gives you an idea, then and so, and it was

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about the size of a football player
like that, about the size of like

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a linebacker and so, like I
say, no arms even stretched out.

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And what really confused me, when
I really had to process for a while,

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was there was these things sticking up
and it was like it's like a

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wing tip. It reminded, you
know, my mind. Your mind goes

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to common things that you see,
and so it's like a raven wing you

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know, crow, a wingtip?
What is this? Well, after a

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while I realized its arms were back
along its sides and its hand was sticking

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up. Then and it's the fingers
that I saw sticking up. I see

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picture that I've seen that imagery in
other places too. I can't remember where,

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but that sounds so familiar. Wow. Yeah, and if it was

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a bear. And then so then
my great friend and fellow investigator and his

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wife were in their car behind me, and they and this road was getting

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overgrown and it even dead ended back
up whatever a couple of miles later.

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But anyway, the bows were growing
into the road, you know. And

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of course my truck gets scratched up. I don't know when I come back

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from trips, I don't know what's
more scratched up, me or my truck,

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you know. And so but anyway, there were bows sticking out on

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the road and it landed on the
edge of the road before going down over

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the embankment on my right side.
And I could see this like a black

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butt you know, part of the
body. Yeah, and but there were

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boughs sticking out and so anyway,
it went over the embankment, we got

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out, it came to a stop. We got out, and my friend

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says, well, look, it
almost was like there's two impressions here,

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like maybe we're two feet landed.
And then we looked over the looked yeah,

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I looked over the embankment and there
was this little clear area right there.

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You know, he didn't go into
the timber. There was a little

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bit of an open spot on this
hillside, and that's where it's like when

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I'm like, well, look,
you know, there's like there's something there.

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There's like a track, a skid
mark, you know. And then

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even further down below that was a
true skid mark, you know, no

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track, just a slide, a
skid. So if it was a bear,

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there should be should have been four
tracks for side marks, for four

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legs. This was like something on
two legs. Wow. So like I

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say, so, then we got
I got the cast that that turned out

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well, and it's good to practice
casting, you know anything. I've got

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some casts of cougar tracks that show
the claws. So yeah, so you

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know, when you're out there,
you know, hey, make a cast

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of whatever, bear track, a
cougar track, just practice. What material

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do you find best, is best
works for you? I love the dental

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stone. Okay, I haven't heard
that yet. Interesting. Yeah, yeah,

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it's even a little bit you know, all the chemical I don't know

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all the chemistry was the materials.
But it's maybe even a little better than

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the hydrocal Yeah. Yeah, that
one comes up a lot when I talked

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to researchers, So a few follow
up questions on that. So you were

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able to were you able to get
a really good look at the bigfoot's face?

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No, because it was sideways,
gotcha? Gotcha? Yeah, I

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went sideways. And so it was
like and before we turned, we were

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on another four service road, and
then we turned up this one and we

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were climbing up there a little bit, and but down where we turned there

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was a couple elk. They weren't
spooky, they weren't running, they were

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just standing there, and we drove
by them. So, you know,

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I was a big foot out to
following the elk or seeing where they were

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at, or chasing them. You
know, maybe I who knows, or

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maybe they didn't have one didn't have
anything to do with the other. But

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then did it hear us coming up
the road and it was like, oh,

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yeah, I'm going to jump behind
this. I'm going to get down

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behind this boulder, and so yeah, and so it was trying to hide.

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And then as we kept approaching,
I was getting closer and you know,

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and I can't tell you exactly the
distance, but because I was moving

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and I can't even tell you how
fast I was going, I don't know

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if I was doing five miles an
hour, ten fifteen miles an hour,

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and I'm getting closer to this boulder, and then it was like and then

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it was like, oh, you
know, I got to get out of

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here. I was trying to hide. If it was trying to hide behind

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that bullet So, how often,
you know, probably in my opinion,

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all the time, do they get
down on all fours to hide? Do

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they get down on the brush.
Do they stand behind a tree and let

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us walk right by? They remain
motionless, they can blend in with the

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terrain and just hot. Yeah.
So one thing that Roger Patterson and that

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said too in those bulletins of his, was that he believed that, yeah,

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they can completely elude us if they
so desire. Sure. I believe

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that as well, and maybe for
a few different reasons that you know,

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science doesn't fully understand yet. Who
knows, but that that sighting is that's

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incredible, That's an incredible story.
Have there been other Bigfoot reports evidence found

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in that same area or yeah?
Great question, because actually I do travel

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around the Pacific Northwest. Yeah,
exactly, and yeah, and I go

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check out areas where there have been
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I did a report, you know, interviewed somebody. It was a

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Class B, A strong class B, which is not a sighting, not

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you know, So I did a
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then my friend and I had been
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stuff that we heard, and so
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decided to go a little bit further
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going into this area. Yeah,
very cool. Let's rewind a little bit.

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Was there a you know, you
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watching the copy of the film or
maybe even the original film presented by

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Roger Patterson a few months after the
sixty seven siting roughly about I mean this

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a fifty fifth anniversary. Was there
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life where you know, you had
something that really like clicked it in,

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like, okay, I want to
super look for Bigfoot now? Or was

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it that initial you know, seeing
the film that just set you on this

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path through your entire life? Oh? Well, I kept you of course,

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my interest then was sky high and
so and our local newspaper would carry

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articles down then back then, and
and so I would cut those out.

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I kept my ears, yeah,
I and I just kept my ears open

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for any reports about somebody seeing a
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there was no social media, right, and so yeah, with my age

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that I'm at now and so but
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just had to you know, things
came through the grapevine and just like you

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know, well did you hear there
was a sighting? You know, and

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I'm like where, you know where
in northeast Washington, you know, and

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that at what time of day was
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so just kind of you know,
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so yeah, I just and my
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he had me out there in the
woods when I you know, could

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barely keep up with them walking.
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he would say, you know,
I was like, Oh, I've hunted

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all over you know, eastern Washington
and this and that. I don't believe

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in bigfoot. I don't think it's
out there, you know. But when

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I would be out there, I
just you know, kept my eyes and

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ears open and just you know,
just in case. Nice. Yeah,

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a few questions in my mind right
now, just randomly. I want to

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ask you, because it sounds like
you've been involved with big footing for a

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long time, a period of bigfoot
history that I think is really interesting.

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It's probably because of my age as
well. What was it like researching bigfoot

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in the nineteen nineties. I actually
I heard my first Ohio Howell before it

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was even called Ohio how I had
heard things like that before i'd been paralleled,

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you know, the bigfoot behavior of
paralleling and I you know, and

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things like that. And if I
would have known back then what I know

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now, or what I've developed now, my approach that I have now,

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if I would have had that back
then, I could have maybe had even

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more encounters or heard more things than
too. And so because now I approach

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things that you know, I want
to just have them be curious of what

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I'm doing. I want to then
have them feel comfortable of what I'm doing

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out there and going camping and such. And I want them to come into

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camp or hang around camp. I
want to learn, you know, what

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is attracting them? What are they
interested in if they come into camp,

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what are they doing? What's attracting
them? You know, are they going

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to play with a camp stove or
what, you know anything. It's like,

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I want to know, and I
want them to come back, you

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know, then feel comfortable to come
back the next nights. And we've had

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those then have been fortunate to have
a lot of different encounters and experiences,

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and we've actually had that a number
of times where they have come into camp,

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you know, night after we go
into their tents. And I do

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believe, yeah, I do believe
that they know what the sound of a

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tent zipper means. You know,
they see us come in. They you

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know, well, no, but
we're talking about you know about these things

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like this, crazy things like tent
zipper. Well, don't you think they've

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watched us go in and out of
our tents? So this is I reacted

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that way because there's an experience I
had in the expedition where I captured some

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audio at three forty five in the
morning in Iowa, and it's regarding a

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zipper, and it was no one
in camp that actually manned the zipper.

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Have have you ever had experiences where
you've had a big foot, you know,

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mess around with a zipper or anything
like that. Or I've had my

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tent shaken multiple times. Okay,
I've had rubbing on the vestibule of my

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tent, you know, and things
like that. And then one time when

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we had them excuse me, when
we had them coming in to camp,

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it was it the I can't remember
the second or third night, and my

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one friend and fellow investigator. Her
tent was, you know whatever, thirty

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feet away from mine. Oh yeah, just over from and anyway, what

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I had gone into my tent,
you know, get my boots off and

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everything like that. I'm standing over
my sleeping bag, not even in there

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yet, and I hear her say
hello, oh no, and they there

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was rubbing on two sides of her
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she had some kind of this fly. It wasn't really her vestibule, but

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there was like a zipper there on
the fly of the tent, and she

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heard that zipper go up start.
That's when she and that's when she said

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hello. And I'm standing there over
my sleeping bag, and I'm like,

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what already, I'm not even in
the sick yet. And it's like and

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she and they're already they've already come
into camp. Like say, so you

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you explain that to me rubbing on
two sides. It's not a bear pushing

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its nose into the side of the
tent or anything like that, you know.

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me, rubbing on two sides of
her tent. She hears a zipper move

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and that woe. Yeah, you
know, and so yeah, and you

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know, that's what we want.
That's what I want, you know.

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I want them to feel comfortable to
come into camp, you know, like

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that night after night, have experiences
like I have other people, you know,

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you have experiences. And then like
I say, and I'm learning,

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you know, then yeah, what
are they doing? What are they attracted

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to? I want to learn about
their behavior. When I read a report,

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when I interview somebody or read any
report, talk to somebody, I'm

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like, well, what was the
behavior of the bigfoot? What was the

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bigfoot doing? What were the people
doing? You know, somebody will say,

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well, we just finished cooking dinner, you know, over the campfire,

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and I'm like, well, what
was what was for dinner? What

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were you cooking? Yeah? What
was the smell? Have you found you

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know, in your many different expeditions, have you found that there are certain

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things you were doing in camp?
Maybe there was you know, you know,

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something you were always doing that seemed
to attract them in or was it

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just mainly random? Yeah, just
random stuff. But also my approach.

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Part of my approach is that if
I have to be their entertainment, Okay,

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yeah, so I'm not a musician, but I do carry a wooden

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flute Native American cool wood flute with
me Monica all right, so and so

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yeah I'll try those. And yeah, I've heard of you know, I

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have a few friends researchers. Uh, you know, Ron man Reads used

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a digord before, Tate Hieronymous used
to guitar before. There's all sorts of

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wild things that you know, it's
getting their attention enough to have them come

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in. So I totally get what
you're saying, what do you remember was

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there a point, you know,
looking back over the years where you finally

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were you know, there's no social
media, there's no internet. Do you

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remember the point where you were able
to finally find your like minded you found

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your first other bigfoot researcher and it
wasn't just you doing stuff by yourself anymore?

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Or did you have people with you
from the very get go. I've

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been well, I've been fortunate that
virtually all my family are wow yeah bigfoot

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in that huge Yeah. So I
mean, you know, just yeah,

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to just you know, have family
there in camp. That's like, you

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know, yeah, we hear something, you know, and then you know,

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everybody questions, could you know,
could that have been a Bigfoot or

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not? You know, and and
so yeah that and then that brings me

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to a couple of things too.
So yeah, I've been fortunate, like

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say, to be with family members
and sure, yeah, but then that

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brings me to a couple of points
also that you know, when you're out

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there camping and you hear something,
it's like, I like to have two

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or more Bigfoot related things vocalizations or
whatever or you know, so so so

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yeah, you hear a howl in
the woods. Well, there's lots of

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things that howl in the woods,
So can you give me some more something

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else? Did you hear howls wood
knocks? Did you go look for tracks

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the next day? Did you find
yeah, possible tracks, you know,

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things like that. And then also, I always like to say and keep

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in mind that almost all of the
time it's going to be something else other

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than Bigfoot. But sometimes it can't
be anything else except bigfoot. So but

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so if you have that, if
I have that in my mind, then

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even if I see a track,
rather than like, oh, there's a

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bigfoot track, No, the first
I want to first thing in my mind

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is I want to rule out is
that a bare double step track? Exactly?

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Yeah? That bear, you know? And you know one time my

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friend fell investigator. We studied this
track along a little tiny stream and I

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don't know, I don't know how
long we studied that thing, you know,

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And I was about ready to go. We couldn't tell if it was

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a bear double step or bigfoot.
I was about ready to get go up

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back to the truck and get the
casting material. When we'd been there for

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so long that the light angle changed
and I mentioned, you know, lightnings

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looking at tracks and it's like the
light angle changed and all of a sudden

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we started to see something and I'm
like, oh, that could be a

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claw, a bare claw, you
know, like that's like, no,

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this looks like a bear double step. So but I like, I say,

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you know, that's why I like
to get down on my knees and

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have my face right over a track. I like to you know, you

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need to look at it from different
angles, you know, I get down

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on your knees, look at it
from the left, from the right,

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you know this, And so,
yeah, we have pictures all over social

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media, but pictures just don't do
it, do them justice. You know,

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the tracks a lot of times there's
just one picture, you know,

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and I wasn't there. I didn't
see what somebody else was how they were

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examining a track or anything like that. So yeah, I just don't comment

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on like pictures like that. Yeah, like I say, I wasn't there

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many times because of the light angles
that a picture just doesn't do it justice.

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So you're going so you're going on, you know, you have your

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family expeditions over the years where you
know you're pretty much going hunting. Are

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you going camping with your family but
also looking for big fit at the same

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time. It's kind of how that
sounds like to me. But also you've

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been involved with many actual BFRO expeditions. Correct, Yeah, I've organized,

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Okay, and approximately how many of
those do you think you've been involved with

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over the years. I believe i've
co led, you know, like been

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a co leader. I like to
have a co leader, and I believe

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seven that officially. Yeah, but
then I've been on others though, too.

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Okay, yeah, okay, but
just as yeah, just as a

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leader co leader. Interesting, is
are there any of those that stand out

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in your memories where you're like,
wow, we had some really crazy stuff

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happen on that expedition that you could
share. Oh, the very first one

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that I went on, very first, Yeah, very first BFRO expedition that

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I went on, and I wrote
about that in the Incessantly Big Footing where

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there was an encounter I was involved
with along with two other people, and

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I almost consider it more rare than
a sighting, or as rare than sighting,

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because we listened to this deer on
the hillside right after dark and we

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could follow it because it was blowing
and blowing, and like I said,

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you'll have to it out in the
book because I have it all detailed.

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Yeah, when I got back to
camp, my short term memory was just

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there and I took notes. I
wrote down then what happened, the sequence

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of events and then and so have
that in my Bigfoot journal, and so

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that I put in the book is
right out of my notes, right out

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of my journal, And so it
basically to kind of sum up the story,

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though without going into a ton of
details that was in there. It

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looked like we actually interrupted a deer
hunt that they were doing. They yeah

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that. Yeah, Like I say, you just have to go through the

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details and everything before and then even
the next morning when we went to look

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for tracks and that on that hillside, and yeah, it was like there

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was we think there was four of
them, three at the minimum that actually

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had like a deer drive a deer
ambush tent. I mean, you can

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only imagine you probably wouldn't want to
step in front of a few bigfoot as

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they're trying to hunt some deer that
they might not respond kindly to that.

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So that's I don't know how I
would react in that situation. Wow,

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yeah, yeah, I mean you
know, there's been people witnesses that have

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seen, you know, bigfoot carrying
a deer. Oh sure, you think,

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oh yeah, you know, and
things like that. Yeah, but

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it's like we just we had this
thing unfold and it was like, you

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know, it's like they were hunting
this thing. It's like they had it

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corralled on the hillside. And yeah, well one when we got back to

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camp and the deer did not we
did not hear the deer escaped, Okay,

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yeah, I got cha. Got
yeah, So the deer because of

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00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.799
what we started doing, and then
that that messed things up. And so

411
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.480
the deer did get away. And
the one lady back at camp said,

412
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.440
oh, I'm glad the deer got
away. And so you know, but

413
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.640
yeah, yeah, do you when
you go out and expedition over the years,

414
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.519
have you had a recorder out and
been capturing audio? Yes? Okay,

415
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.640
have you captured any cool stuff on
audio? Well, all kinds of

416
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:21.839
things, I mean everything from mew
bobcats Oh yeah, okay, yeah sure,

417
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.359
so you know, and the audio
really helps. I mean when you're

418
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.519
awakened in the middle of the night
and you know, and it sure sounds

419
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.880
like there's something whooping there's wooze.
But I review my audio and it's like,

420
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.279
no, those were owls. Yeah
exactly. Yeah, So the audio

421
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:45.160
really helps you confirm and it helps
you rule out things then and it helps

422
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:52.119
you confirm what you did here,
and so the audio is valuable that way.

423
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.720
The yes, I had something that
popping in my mind to an example,

424
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.759
oh, the one one time they
had heard some other people had heard

425
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.079
some wood knocks, okay, and
I can't remember if they had heard three

426
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.759
or four. There there was answering
back and forth. So when I checked

427
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:15.559
my audio and listening to it closely, I counted off in the distance.

428
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.359
Then too, word knocks. I
counted eleven. Yeah, so it can

429
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.519
help you. So yeah, it's
like, okay, yeah, somebody in

430
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.519
camp heard like three wood knocks or
whatever, three or four. You go

431
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:35.480
to your audio and wow, I
counted eleven. So yeah, so yeah,

432
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.039
the audio is valuable. I'm not
a believer much, and I use

433
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.759
them, but I'm not really have
much confidence with trail cameras. I believe

434
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.119
that they can they know that they're
there, they can see them. I

435
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.039
hear that a lot where yeah,
that seems to be the consensus. Where

436
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.400
lest you could get a non electronic
trailcam. Good luck. Yeah, they

437
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.240
just it's something is given off and
it wigs them out. I don't know,

438
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.640
but yeah, something I wanted to
talk to you about that I found

439
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:13.200
interesting is you were actually involved with
the Jack Osborne and Jason Muse Bigfoot special

440
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.720
on Discovery Plus. How did you
know, walk me through? How did

441
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.039
that come about that you just get
randomly contacted or how was that? Well,

442
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:29.119
because I have published reports BFRO,
So yeah, so those reports are

443
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.000
out there to the public, you
know, and yeah, they read the

444
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:37.519
reports of what's going on in the
past in an area. And so yeah,

445
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.440
I was contacted and then other investigators
too, but yeah, I was

446
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.720
on there. My part was a
campfire scene, a campfire sit down with

447
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.839
Jack Osborne and Jason Muse and everything. Everybody was a blast and those two

448
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.240
and the entire crew and so everybody
was great. And it was filmed in

449
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.799
North Idaho, Okay, Yeah,
and so you'll get a glimpse of beautiful

450
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:08.960
North Idaho and and yeah it was
great. And so it's just it's streaming

451
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.800
on Discovery Plus. Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.

452
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.599
Have you been involved with any other
media like that over the years or

453
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.840
not really not too much. Okay, no that way all right, man,

454
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.800
this has been a extremely fun chat. I've talked to another a few

455
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:36.119
other investigators that have been on THEFO
expeditions and it's always fun. Let's say

456
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:42.000
you have someone new coming to the
expedition or like they're a newer investigator,

457
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.559
right, are there certain things that
like you want to make sure that they

458
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:52.679
know before they come in with the
rest of the investigators on the expedition.

459
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.000
Well, yeah, everybody has their
own approach, you know, doing things,

460
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.320
and if it's working for you,
keep doing what you're doing doing,

461
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.119
you know. But so you know, every leader or you know, every

462
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.039
expedition is going to have maybe a
little different angle, different approach you know,

463
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:14.719
to but like I say, my
approach then is to get them the

464
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.400
new people then too is get them
thinking about and share with them things to

465
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.960
do to get Yeah, to bring
up the curiosity of bigfoot. You know

466
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.519
that if they're in the area at
all, they hear you, they hear

467
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.800
us coming into the area, they
know we're there. Yeah, unless they're

468
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.559
you know, thirty miles away.
But so yeah, if they're around,

469
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:46.440
we want to you know, encourage
encounters and get some experiences for people and

470
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.920
the like I say, I encourage
them to think out of the box of

471
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.679
different things to try and do and
get that curiosity going. So very nice.

472
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.119
Have you over the years, you
know, been out in the woods

473
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:07.119
looking for Bigfoot investigating? Have you
ever run into anything that you couldn't explain

474
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.360
but you're pretty sure it wasn't bigfoot
related any like weird stuff happened when you're

475
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.159
out in the woods. It was
kind of like, I don't know what's

476
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:22.599
going on here? Yeah, oh
you mean, like I mean, it's

477
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.840
it's a pretty open ended question.
Kevins, that's wherever you want to take

478
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:31.960
it. But yeah, okay,
give me like lights, yeah, yeah,

479
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:36.360
some people bring up lights, you
know anything. It's like, that's

480
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.800
weird. I'm not sure what's good. Like, oh, I've seen flashes

481
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.320
of lights go through the forest.
One time, I believe it was like

482
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:51.719
snow lightning because oh cool, yeah, because like there was a front coming

483
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.480
in and like half hour later,
an hour later started snowing on us.

484
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.920
So I believe at one time that
you like, say it was snow light

485
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.440
that if that's what they call it. But I've seen flashes of light through

486
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:10.199
the woods. I've seen the orbs
balls of the right too. I've had

487
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.800
one time I had strange lights go
across the wall of my tent. Wow.

488
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:23.360
And so yeah, so yeah,
you know, and I of course

489
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:29.320
some people, yeah, try to
associate these things with bigfoot, you know,

490
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.039
and that, and I'm just like, you know, And the one

491
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.400
time that I had the lights on
my tent wall, I had my pop

492
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.400
up shade canopy out in front of
my tent also had a shade wall on

493
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.400
it too, and I had rubbing
on the shade wall and tapping on the

494
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.039
roof of the shade canopy before these
lights occurred. And you know, and

495
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.079
yeah, so I so you know, so it's like, okay, could

496
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:59.599
that have been a big foot?
Is this bigfoot behavior or a bigfoot?

497
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.039
Counter? But then these lights and
so these things that I've seen like like

498
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.320
that, I it's I just leave
it as a mystery. I'm not going

499
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.599
to try to explain it, you
know, what was going on, you

500
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:17.599
know, but I do try to
do you know, recreations. And I

501
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.119
yeah, and that's important too if
you can, and like say even if

502
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.039
you well, first of all,
let me say with the lights, yeah,

503
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.519
I use you know, different kind
of flashlights, headlamps, a couple

504
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.159
of different models of headlamps and things
like that. And I was trying to

505
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.679
this there was some kind of a
flashlight or somebody in camp. Of of

506
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.559
course you ask around the next morning, you know, you know, were

507
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.119
you shining a flashlight? Right?
And so you investigate and follow up do

508
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:52.840
things that I do recreation and so
even like it's not recreating seeing a bigfoot,

509
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.800
but like this summer too, there
was three of us in the morning.

510
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:01.159
We were hiking this trail and not
a trail, that's a Forest Service

511
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.280
trail that has a trailhead and the
parking spots. You know, at the

512
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.159
start of it. We were back
in the mountains on this trail and we

513
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:14.119
were paralleled. We have this paralleling
Well yeah, so you know, so

514
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.159
I say, well, recreate it. Well, how do you recreate a

515
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.800
paralleling experience? Well, we went
out the same time the next morning,

516
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:30.320
same weather conditions, same thing,
and there was no sounds. There was

517
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:36.440
none of the branch breaks, twig
snaps, the thumping that was happened the

518
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.679
first morning. Wow. Yeah,
So you so if you can follow up

519
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.119
on things like that, you know, if if you see a bigfoot can

520
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.360
you go back, And a lot
of people are afraid. They don't want

521
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.440
to hunters, we'll see a bigfoot. They don't want to go, they

522
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.639
give up hunting. They don't,
they don't. But if you can go

523
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.239
back and look for tracks and things
like that, you know, and if

524
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.880
you do have the chance, if
something like say is following you or paralleling

525
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.000
you, you have some kind of
an encounter like that, try to recreate

526
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.039
it. Go back. Okay,
So, like just a week ago,

527
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.360
the hunting seasons here in northeast Washington
are in full swing and the deer season

528
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.679
is on. And I was out
there. I was in a deer stand

529
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.519
and there were these dough and out
in front of me, and they were

530
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.079
just blowing and blowing and down at
the other end of the meadow and the

531
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.400
opening there was more blowing back at
them. And the first thing, you

532
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.639
know, that I think of,
is, well, okay, have they

533
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.480
caught scent of me? You know, yeah, they're doing that. If

534
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:43.800
everybody, if all your listeners know
what the blowing that the deer do like

535
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.480
that that they're taking in the scent
and then they expel the air out,

536
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:52.559
so all of a sudden, then
there's a wood knock behind me, followed

537
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.960
by a light tat I call it
more of a tap thank, And I'm

538
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.679
like, you know, I'm of
course I'm watching these deer. And then

539
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.320
I'm like, what a knock?
You know, what's that? Well?

540
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.519
Was it a knock? And then
after that knock occurred, the deer did

541
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:15.840
settle down. But it's weird.
Well but what but everything that knocks in

542
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.480
the forest is not a bigfoot would
knock? Could have been a tree that

543
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.039
was cooling down with the temperatures.
You know, it was an hour before

544
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:29.519
sunset, and so could it have
been a tree that had popped or was

545
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:35.239
popping. Well, I was back
there in that same deer stand fought for

546
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:42.480
three afternoons following that, and I
never heard any tree pop. That's interesting

547
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.039
and similar weather exactly. Yeah,
we've had Yeah, we've had a weather

548
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:51.199
pattern here that's just been the same
thing every day, warm, away,

549
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:57.199
above average temperatures and until the last
two days now we've got rain. So

550
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.920
but yeah, I was out there, and so that's where if you can,

551
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.599
like I say, you know,
so, yeah, that's it's some

552
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.599
wild stuff. Yeah, and try
to you know, and so then try

553
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.679
to keep investigating, like that try
to follow up, you know, like,

554
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.159
Okay, well, yeah, was
that just a tree that popped?

555
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.599
Was popping a couple of times?
Well go back under the same weather conditions,

556
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.480
go back the next day and see
are you hearing trees do that?

557
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.000
Or yeah, that's a great idea. I like. Yeah, I like

558
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.199
the word investigate because it implies that
we're being a detective. You know,

559
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.960
we're looking into this, We're following
up on things and looking into things.

560
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.199
There's a few questions that I always
like to ask, especially people I talked

561
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:53.440
to that are primarily focused on bigfoot, so they're pretty straightforward to so,

562
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:59.559
what do you believe that bigfoot is? How do you describe what we're dealing

563
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:04.800
with. I think they are you
know, primate, you know, and

564
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.480
very close to us. I think
they're very close to us, and I

565
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:15.880
think they're intelligent and they know how
to hide and escape from us, you

566
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.239
know, for to hardly be seen
at all, you know. I mean

567
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.480
I guess my own sighting that I
had what was it trying to hide behind

568
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:30.800
that boulder thinking that we would not
see it and then But anyway, yeah,

569
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.320
I do think that they As a
veterinarian, I approach things, you

570
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:38.599
know, biologically, yeah, and
everything like that. And even with of

571
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.679
course population you know, people,
well, how many do you think are

572
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.639
out there? You know, and
this and that, it's like, well,

573
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.920
who, you know, pick a
number? Who knows? We know,

574
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.400
nobody really can. Nobody really knows, but we can ask me.

575
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.400
And so biologically though, I think
it was twenty seventeen, the American Scientist

576
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.440
had an article and these yeah,
and these science we're trying to come up

577
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:07.199
with a population number, kind of
a minimum number for well and what they

578
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.280
were doing though too, is they
were doing plants and animals. But yeah,

579
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.000
like rare plants, how many would
it take to keep that species going?

580
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.639
And or if it's you're talking about
some rare frog or some kind of

581
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:27.119
a mammal. They came up with
a number then that five thousand would be

582
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:35.000
a great number for long term evolutionary
success. Wow. They said that five

583
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:42.559
hundred would probably then you know,
would maybe be enough to stop a lot

584
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.840
of inbreeding. So but five thousand
would be you know, definitely a great

585
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.000
number for long term success. So
I look at things like that. Then

586
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.440
it's like, you know, okay, you know, here's there's some numbers

587
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.519
there, but when it comes to
bigfoot, I don't know. I'm not

588
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.639
going to stay. Yeah, I
mean I've heard a number I've heard,

589
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.800
you know, a number like in
Idaho. You know, it's like,

590
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.519
oh, there's so many in IOLs. It's like, I think there's more

591
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.639
than that, you know, and
so yeah, and you want to like

592
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.400
say you can't have a lot of
inbreeding. I think a lot of sightings

593
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.920
then, especially crossing highways and things
like that, or maybe young males that

594
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:28.119
are traveling Okay, yeah, sure, migrating or traveling long miles to go

595
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.800
find and start a family unit of
their own. Yep, yep, exactly.

596
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.719
Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot
of people I've talked to where I'm

597
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.199
from Iowa, they think that the
primary population is there's a it's a migration

598
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.280
thing going through the state, definitely. And here in the Pacific Northwest,

599
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.599
I mean, you know, obviously
they don't know where the Washington Idaho state

600
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.199
line is or the Canadian state line, so we can't. So if you're

601
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.719
talking about populations, it's like,
well, okay, we got to look

602
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.360
at British Columbia, we got to
look at Cascade, Washing Cascades, Northeas,

603
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.679
Washington, North, Idaho. You
know. Yeah, so you got

604
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.880
to start looking at all of that
and not just saying well there's yeah,

605
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.599
there's a family unit here, there's
a family unit there. It's like,

606
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.679
has there been a piece of evidence
that has been most influential to you over

607
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.159
the years as a researcher. Well, of course having the sighting and then

608
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.800
getting a track to go. Yeah, so it's you know, there's two

609
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:35.440
things right there, sighting and something
else follow up and we found I didn't

610
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.760
find it, but it was part
of the group that I was with some

611
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:43.920
others found some hair. Yeah,
and it did not have you know,

612
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:52.119
the bone marrow type center and we
had it checked and analyzed and so yeah,

613
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.519
so anyway, yeah, things like
that, look you know, looking

614
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.079
for if you see one, and
we were talking about trying to have two

615
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:04.039
or more things with an encounter.
So if you see one, if there

616
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.199
really is one peeking out from behind
a tree looking at you, then can

617
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.519
you go back later and look for
hair? Oh yeah, yeah, I

618
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.639
mean yeah, that's a good point. So yeah, like last year,

619
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.800
we had these couple guys where they
didn't see it because it stopped behind this

620
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.079
really large tree and then there was
a group of fur trees right around it.

621
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.280
But they were like bluff charged.
They had this charge that charged towards

622
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:38.280
yeah, and stopped and they said
it sounded like a racehorse breathing back there.

623
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:43.280
Wow, So what do we do? We go back the next morning

624
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.000
and so what do we want to
do. We want to rule out elk.

625
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.800
So we were looking for elk track. Was an elk breathing you know

626
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.719
or something like that. We we
were looking then for elk tracks right there

627
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:58.599
where it stopped, and we were
combing the bark for hair, you know

628
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.840
a little. Yeah. We couldn't
fight anything, but that's what you want

629
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.239
to do, you know. It's
like okay, yeah, follow up with

630
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.840
things like that. And one last
there one more thing to add too is

631
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:14.960
I always say push the record button, get video, not just pictures.

632
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.079
We want to see Oh yeah,
that's a good point. Okay, we

633
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.119
want to see arm swinging. We
want to see you know, a head

634
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:28.079
turn, legs moving. Okay,
So no more pictures on social media.

635
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:34.199
Video, We want video. You
want the evidence, the video evidence,

636
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.119
yes, what you're saying, yeah, not just the photos with the red

637
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.840
circles around them. Yeah, there's
a question. I almost forgot to ask

638
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.079
you when you're so, let's say
you're going to your base camp for you

639
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.840
know, your expedition base camp.
When do you start recording to catch sounds.

640
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.559
What's your viewpoint on that? Well? Right away? Yeah, okay,

641
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.440
yeah, I mean, you know, get an audio recorder hung out

642
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.760
there right way, and and so, and of course we can get into

643
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.000
battery life and things like that.
You can, you know, you don't

644
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.840
have to spend a lot of money
on audio recorders. I do have a

645
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.559
couple that were fairly expensive, the
Wildlife Acoustics audio recorders, and I can

646
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:22.119
program them. I can have them
come on an hour before sunset, two

647
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.159
hours before sunset. I can have
them run twenty four hours a day,

648
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.320
and so a lot of times I'll
have them come on, you know,

649
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.480
one or two hours before sunset and
you know, and run to an hour

650
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.639
or two hours after sun rise.
But then the problem is, yeah,

651
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:42.199
so then the problem is if you
hear something that's thirty minutes before my audio

652
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.360
recorder has come on that it's programmed
to come on. If you hear something

653
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.800
thirty minutes beforehand, it's like,
oh no, I didn't have the audio

654
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.840
going. So but yeah, those
something like that is really nice where I

655
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.639
can set the program or have you
know, like say have it come on

656
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.679
off and then the battery life you
know, it'll go for yeah yeah,

657
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:08.599
oh yeah weeks then yeah, programmed. From that, I'm gathering that there

658
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.239
are certain times of day that are
most important to make sure you're recording for

659
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:19.119
potential bigfoot sounds to happen. Yeah, not only big sounds, but and

660
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.519
then like say other things then too, just drink that are out at night,

661
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.719
you know, like say that the
one time and listen to my audio

662
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:30.280
and there's like yeah, right,
and it's like what you know, that's

663
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.159
not what I'm listening for. It's
like, oh, okay, the bobcat

664
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.239
walked under the audio recorder totally.
Yeah. So so yeah, you know,

665
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:44.719
so you like say, there's a
lot more things in the forest or

666
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.360
more the things that are more common
in the forest than bigfoot, So a

667
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.400
lot of times you're gonna hear something
that's not bigfoot, and so that's where

668
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.519
then yeah, having the audio going
like that. Man, it would be

669
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.679
cool if there would be a way
to deploy an audio recorder to a place

670
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.800
before you drive into it, so
you can like get if there, you

671
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:12.239
know, if there's like warning knocks
or something as you're driving into the area.

672
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.639
Well, I've had that. I've
had that happen. Oh really,

673
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.000
I pulled you know, we know
that there's a camp site you know that's

674
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.440
been used for years and years.
You know, the fire ring is there,

675
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.599
and I'm going to meet my friend
there or something like that. You

676
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.880
know, it's like, okay,
well, let's we'll meet at that camp

677
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.800
site, you know or whatever.
And I pull in there and I step

678
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.079
out of my truck and knocks greet
me. Wow, So I've oh,

679
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.199
yeah, I've had that happen,
you know. So there. So then

680
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.519
again, the you know, I
believe they're smart. They're watching places where

681
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:51.119
people camp or do they have you
know, a sentry, a spy you

682
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.440
know that's there that's watching different camp
sites. You know, so they know

683
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.320
when we get there, when we
come in. And then it's a matter

684
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.320
of you know, it's like okay, hey, you know, we mean

685
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.280
no harm. You know, we
want you to be curious of what we're

686
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.119
doing. Yep, and try to
get them like, you know, oh,

687
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:13.119
what are these people doing. You
know, they're having some fun here,

688
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.039
you know, they're exactly look like
they're look while they're hunting, you

689
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.440
know, the deer or anything.
Yeah, it's like that's funny. Over

690
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.760
the years, have you been primarily
focused on Bigfoot or have there been other

691
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.360
cryptids that you've been interested in Splash
looked into. Is it just primarily been

692
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.639
Bigfoot? Yeah, primarily Bigfoot.
You know, I'm open to you know,

693
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.519
other stories and listening about things,
you know, and yeah, and

694
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:45.360
maybe when I'm interviewing somebody, something
will come up about some other you know,

695
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:49.360
cryptid and yeah, it's like,
oh listen, you know to it

696
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:51.960
and everything like that. But as
far as you know, yeah, like

697
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.280
doing reports for the bf R O, you know, yeah, you know,

698
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.760
it's big for sure. Yeah.
And I've even heard that seen that

699
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.239
said. You know, it's like, well, how come there's not any

700
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:07.039
dog man reports on you know b
f R. You know, yeah,

701
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.440
where is the name word dog man
in? Yeah, field researchers. You

702
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.880
know, it's like, oh,
I look up the North American dog Man

703
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.079
Project, you know, right,
Yeah, and so yeah, yeah,

704
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.360
I'm in the bigfoot. Yeah.
Okay, have you gotten dog man reports

705
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.559
from your areas or people that try
to give you dog man stuff? I've

706
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:32.000
heard one investigator saw something that he
wasn't sure what was And I've had I

707
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.440
like say, I've had some other
you know, I'm not going to say

708
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:39.000
what they were with. Yeah,
but they're yeah, some different, some

709
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:44.639
weird stuff things. Yeah, some
weird stuff out there. Yeah, a

710
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.760
lot of mysteries. And that's what
I love. That's exactly you know why

711
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.519
I do this and try to figure
out the weird mysteries of the world.

712
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.800
And there's a lot of it is
focused on you know, cryptis in Bigfoot

713
00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:00.360
hence the name. But Kevin,
it's been extremely fun and enlightening talking to

714
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.119
you today. I want to make
sure, you know, to give you

715
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:07.719
the chance if there's anything we haven't
covered that you were wanting to make sure

716
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.800
you know that we cover, you
know, now is the chance to throw

717
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.679
it on in or anything like that. Yeah. I just you know,

718
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.519
following up with like you know,
like when I mentioned you know, yeah,

719
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.880
you're getting their attention you were setting
up camp, Yeah, get their

720
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.400
attention, you know. And it's
like, well, I think too that

721
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:30.480
their eyes their eyesight is so good, you know, they can tell are

722
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.159
we pulling? Am I pulling my
walking stick out of my truck? Or

723
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.400
am I pulling a rifle. Wow. Yeah, so I think they they

724
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.880
know, you know, they can
tell. And so that's you know,

725
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.000
like I say, everybody has their
own approach. But you know, over

726
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:50.559
the years, I've been able to
come up with mine, my approach,

727
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.400
and I like it, and I'm
going to keep trying it, and it's

728
00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.519
playing on their curiosity. And yeah, and remember, uh press the record

729
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:05.679
buttony press the record. But guys, that's that's for sure, Kevin.

730
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:10.039
Awesome chat today. Do you mind
taking a few minutes reminding people how they

731
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.920
can either keep up to date with
what you're doing or you know, you

732
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.559
know, I definitely want to mention
your book again, all that good stuff

733
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.400
you got going on. Yeah,
it's i'd like I say, I did

734
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.519
write the little book. It's an
easy read, a fun read, and

735
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:28.719
like say, my sense of humor
does take over a little later in the

736
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.360
book, and so you should get
it should be fun to read. And

737
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.800
I'd recommend, you know, to
read it through and then read it through

738
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.000
a second time because I think you're
going to pick up on bigfoot behaviors and

739
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:44.880
things that I'm referring to. Even
though I'm maybe having some fun with what

740
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:50.159
I've what are has happened with myself
and my friends and fellow investigators, and

741
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.440
so I make a little fun of
the technology or whatever that we're doing.

742
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:59.119
But yet it's based on true stories. You know then too and so but

743
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:04.840
you'll have some fun with it.
And I have the Bigfoot behaviors and investigating

744
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.000
big Foot in there things to do
and what we were doing, and you

745
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:13.639
know, then I make fun of
it a little bit. But yeah,

746
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.480
it's and I do have it's available
on Amazon. I do have a second

747
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.880
book that's about seventy five eighty percent
written, Oh awesome, that I'm working

748
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:23.559
on. Yeah, and but I
think you'll have fun with this one.

749
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:29.360
The cover was a photo that I
took of the sun setting behind Mount Rainier

750
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:34.079
in the Washington Cascades. So if
you open up, open up the book

751
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:39.480
like this, there's Mount Rainier like
that. And so, yeah, have

752
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:43.800
fun out there. Be safe,
you know, I know my dad taught

753
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.400
me from the very beginning. Hey, you know, the woods are in

754
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.480
the mountains are wonderful, they're fantastic, but they can also be dangerous.

755
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.239
So yeah, stay safe and have
fun out there. Love it. Thanks

756
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.480
so much for coming on, Thank
you for having me. Just wanted to

757
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.000
take a few and it's to say
thank you to you all my listeners for

758
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:07.239
listening to the podcast. Please take
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759
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760
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761
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762
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:25.440
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763
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:30.960
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If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to

764
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:35.880
the following, or know someone who
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765
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:40.000
Big for Society at gmail dot com
or pass on my email. Here's the

766
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:45.480
list specifically, looking to talk to
people that were directly involved with the events

767
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.199
in Ho Nabi, Oklahoma around January
of two thousand, could be even the

768
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.960
years leading up to that in the
years afterwards. Also, if you are

769
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:01.119
involved with the Washita expedition in two
thousand and one, I would love to

770
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.599
talk to you as well. I'm
looking for people that were directly involved with

771
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.880
the events in that timeframe in the
Ho Nabi, Oklahoma area. Thank you.

772
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:15.039
A special thank you to all the
Big for Society, Patreon and YouTube

773
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:20.519
channel members, it's your support that
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774
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:21.280
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