Jan. 8, 2025

An Unstoppable Force! | Idaho

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Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast as he delves into an intense and detailed encounter in Northern Idaho. Hear from Dan, a seasoned hunter, recount his terrifying...

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Season 1

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 5/4/24.

Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society podcast as he delves into an intense and detailed encounter in Northern Idaho. Hear from Dan, a seasoned hunter, recount his terrifying experience during the 2021 elk hunting season in the rugged terrain of Idaho’s panhandle. Initially dealing with harsh weather and challenging landscapes, the situation takes a strange turn when Dan hears a series of eerie wood knocks, leading him to an encounter with an enormous creature. Overcome by fear and uncertainty, Dan shares his struggle to comprehend the massive, human-like figure he saw. This gripping story includes intricate details of the location, the encounter's escalation, and the emotional aftermath, making for a riveting episode that questions the very reality of these mysterious creatures.

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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big for Society. I've

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got the privilege of talking to Dan today. He reached

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out to me and I was curious if you would

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be able to share some things that he experienced, and

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I said, yeah, absolutely, let's chat about it and Dan,

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I hope all is going well. I'm gonna pass it

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on right over to you and feel free to share

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what's going on.

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Brother, All right, thank you.

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So this was a twenty twenty one Elk hunting season.

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I didn't draw my usual tag in in central Idaho

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where I grew up. Usually we hunt in the frank

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Kirch Wilderness, but didn't draw early enough.

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I'm out of state now, I live.

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In Washington, so closest best choice was up in the

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Panhandle of Idaho, so we got our tags there. My

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dad headed out about half a week early before opening day.

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I still had to finish up work for the week,

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and he wanted to scout. Turns out he had actually

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fought on a wild He was a wildland firefighter for

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most of his life and he had been up there, so.

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He knew it. I hadn't, even though I grew up

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in Idaho.

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North Idaho was like a different state to us, So

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I got up there a couple of days before opening season.

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He met me at the base of the mountain and

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we just started winding our way up. It was about

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a two hour drive just to get to the top

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of this ridge line, and then from there just trying

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to find a spot to a flat spot. That's something

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you'll probably hear me say over and over. This was

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probably the most brutal terrain I've hunted in, and I've

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been hunting my entire life, straight up and straight down.

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It was just horrible, heavily wooded. So we just started

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driving along ridge lines trying to find a flat spot

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where we could fit both of our pickups and establish

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a base camp. And we eventually did pretty much hit

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the end of the road on this one ridge line,

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found a spot set up base camp. Since we were

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still about a day out at that point from opening day,

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this we're chilling scouting around a little bit. It was

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pretty much the only time we saw people up on

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that mountain. A lot of locals driving around with their

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kids on side by sides, four wheelers, whatnot, and what

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was funny. Later on, my dad and I actually commented

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to each other. We ran into some locals and they asked, Hey,

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those are your pickups up at such and such spot?

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And we said yeah, and they said, are you guys

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gonna hunt up here? And this is what's weird. I

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talked to least three hunters separate from my dad, and

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he talked to three or four others. All of them

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chuckled and said, you got the place to yourself.

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No one hunts up on that mountain anyways.

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Yeah, have fun, And we thought, hey, great, we don't

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do the road hunting thing not that's a problem if

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people are driving around and just looking that way. It's

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just we I didn't grow up that way. The frank

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Church Wilderness. It's one road in, one road out, and

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it's actually illegal to even drive a bicycle off of

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the main If you can call at a road, we

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just get out there and hook it. Put in a

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lot of mileage scouting. So we thought that was great.

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So opening day comes as predicted, horrible weather. This is

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the first week in October. Way up north. Sleep all

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day the first day from six am to six pm.

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Then it turned to snow, but we just we struck

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out in different directions. That's how we hunt. We don't

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hunt together. It's been that way since I was probably

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eleven years old. We go one way, Dad goes another way.

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We meet back at the truck or base camp at dark.

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First day awful. Second day awful because it snowed, and

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then around the third day it was sunny and clear,

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not a cloud in the sky. We were at base

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camp to staying in our trucks. It was just too

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awful weather. I wasn't gonna biv a whack out on

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the side of that mountain.

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It was horrible. So I went east.

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I went west along the ridge line pretty much hit

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a dead end pretty quick. There's this massive rock formation

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that goes from the top of the mountain all the

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way to the bottom, and it's impassable by foot.

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So I started going.

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South a little bit, ended up coming back by base

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camp and it was roughly noon twelve thirty and decided

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I'd been all over the southwest portion of that mountain

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the previous two days, so let's just head.

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South by southeast.

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I knew my dad was due east on the ridge line,

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so I wasn't worried about bumping into him or anything.

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I'm just winding my way down this slope, and up

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to this point I had seen two deer and they

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were mule's actually up there instead of white tail.

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But nothing else.

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No spoor, no track, no game trails, nothing. So as

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I'm winding down this ridge, I come across the first

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or no, I'm sorry, ridge slope. I come across the

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first game trail i'd seen, and I got pretty excited

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because that meant there at least that animals across that

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awful mountain.

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So I start following it about southeast.

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So heading down the slope, a little bit and came

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into an area that was a little bit open, and

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I could see down below south of me there was

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actually some open grassy areas.

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I wouldn't call them meadows, maybe clearings.

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And that got me even more excited, because that's a

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place elk would be grazing around on or dusk. And

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at this point it's close to one o'clock and I'm thinking, Okay,

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if I get down there and I keep going, that

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means I have to go up this mountain in the dark,

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and there's grizzly and stuff up there.

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I wasn't too worried about them there. We were pretty

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high up.

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But still I just figured, you know what, let's follow

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this game trail to start. And I'd been standing there,

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I don't know, five ten minutes, just looking down and

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looking to the game trail, which went actually east by northeast,

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so back up the mountain a little bit, which was

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more or less the direction I wanted to head towards

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the last half of the day. And I'm just standing

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there and I could see all the way. There's a

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break in the tree, so I could see these grassy

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areas and they went in steps, and I just made

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a note to myself, Hey, i'll come back tomorrow. Hit

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it early, get down there and see get down there

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before even daylight and lay up somewhere. But I decided

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today I'm gonna follow this game trail and I turned,

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had only gone a few steps, and I hear these

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five distinct knocks, And the best way I could describe them,

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it's if you spelled it out in a comic book.

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Thok fuck, just five evenly spaced fuck. And it was

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coming directly from one of those. What I could tell

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at first probably the furthest clearing somewhere down there. And

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I remember stopping and looking and going, what is someone

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doing down there? Beating on a tree? There's no people

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up here. This is horrible terrain that we haven't seen

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anybody in a couple of days.

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And I just thought, okay, yeah, whatever, that's weird.

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I don't know sound carries, but sure sounds like it

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was about two hundred and fifty three hundred yards down slope,

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and I thought, I don't know what to do, but

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times daylight's burning, I'm gonna leave.

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And so I was.

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I was just gonna keep falling the trail, and then

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I hear two more fuck fuck, and they're from the

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same relative positions. I was like, Okay, you know what,

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I haven't seen anything.

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This sounds weird. Let's go see what's going on. And

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at this.

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Point I was just thinking that if these are people,

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what would they be doing down there. This doesn't sound

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like someone cutting wood. It just sounds like someone taking

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a big chunk of wood and just whacking it on

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a tree. I'm like, this doesn't make any sense, but

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all right, let's go find out what it is. I'm bored,

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so I start going down the slope and like I said,

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it would go in steps, so slope down and then

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hit a little bit of grass. In that first little catch,

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I actually saw elk sign. It was a little bit old,

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but it was there, and I stopped because I'm trying

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to listen for additional sounds. I'm looking down there to

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see if there's movement, and it's just still absolutely still

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calm day the only day up there that was even

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remotely like that. Hardly even a blade of grass was moving.

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And I went through that same thought process, what the

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heck is this? I should probably just turn around and

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go back up slope. So probably five minutes went by,

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because I'm looking and listening, and then whack.

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I hear it again.

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So now I'm like, Okay, now I have to go

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figure out what's doing this. So my brain switched from

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this might be a person down there doing who knows

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what to I don't know what type of animal I've

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hunted in the Pacific Northwest my whole life. What animal

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could do that? But I thought, that's the only thing

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that makes sense at this point. I can't imagine a

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person somehow getting up on this mountain not being visible

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to us on the only road, which we were at

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the terminal point of that road, And what would they

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be doing down there doing something like that.

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It just didn't make sense. So I'm going through animals.

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Maybe a bear's messing with a log, maybe something's kicking

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a tree, whatever, I'm gonna find out. So I start

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walking down again, and I'm stopping frequently. I had gone

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into stalking modes. So I'm walking very quietly, trying not

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to even break the crust on the snow, that little

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skiff of snow too much, and listening.

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I hear nothing. The wind's not blowing.

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I started thinking, maybe it's a tree that's bumping into

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another tree, but I would stop and look in a

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slight breeze, maybe five mile an hour breeze would come up,

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but hardly enough to even wiggle, like I said, grass,

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So okay, that's weird, that's not it. But I'm not

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hearing anything. So I'm like I, once again, maybe I

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should just turn around for a gain this happened and

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come back tomorrow.

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And then I get another single knock.

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Okay, whatever it is, it's still down there doing whatever

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it's doing.

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I'm gonna keep going.

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And this repeats itself again, and I get a third knock,

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and I'm repeating the same process. I started moving so

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quietly and slowly because I wanted I started getting this

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weird feeling that these knocks were only coming when I

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was stopped, and that didn't make any sense.

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But I wasn't hearing them while I was walking.

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And once again, this whole distance was about two hundred

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and fifty maybe three hundred yards, And this whole time

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me closing on where I thought the sound was coming

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from ended up being about fifty minutes. So you can

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see that I wasn't rushing and bashing through trees and

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obscuring any sound.

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I'm listening and.

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It I I'd never heard that sound until I had

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been stopped for minutes, and then I would get a

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single sound and that would keep me going. And by

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the time I had gotten the fourth knock and it

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once again disrepeated itself like that whole pattern. I was

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now getting down off the slope and into level ground

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towards that grassy area. And now I'm probably fifty fifty

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sixty yards out from this grassy area, and at the

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end of it was basically a wall of young trees

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of different height. And as I got I heard that

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last single fourth knock, it really sounded to me like

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it was coming from somewhere behind that screen of trees. Okay,

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it's totally obscured for me. What's behind there's a I'm like, Oka, right,

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I guess I'm gonna have to go right up to

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it and figure out.

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What this is.

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Somehow, I'm level, I'm walking, and to my right there's

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this little I describe it as a long halfpipe in

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the ground.

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It's just it.

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If it was runoff, boy, it cut a nice smooth

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little gulch there. But I knew that in order to

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get into this clearing, I'd have to cross that, and

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once I crossed that, all the trees that I thought

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I was using as cover there was intermittent trees that

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I was trying to move behind a little bit because.

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My thinking is, oh, I'm gonna sneak up on.

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Some animal doing something weird, so let's be quiet and

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see what it's doing and how it's making that sound.

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And I'm getting closer.

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And when I reached the edge of that little dip

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in the ground, I stopped and go, Okay, once you

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cross this, you are now in the clearing and you're

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out in the wide open, so if something's back there,

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it can possibly see you. So I'm just okay, getting ready,

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had my rifle to my not up, but it'll low ready,

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so but stuck in my shoulder, muzzle down towards the ground,

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and I take a deep breath.

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I'm like, all right, here we go.

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Bigs A society will be right back after these messages.

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And right as I'm about to do that comes I

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can only describe it like a slow rate of fire

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machine gun, but it's the deep wood knocks just boom,

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is fast like a machine gun, and but loud, deep,

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not like a stick cracking against a tree, but the

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same deep, thick sounding knocks, but just like rapid fire.

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And I just was like, what the is going on here?

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And I'm like, okay, and I remember saying this in

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my head. I'm like, it's definitely behind those trees, because

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that's where that sound came from.

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And so I'm like, all right, oh boy.

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And now I'm getting a little nervous because I'm like,

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I can't see into those trees, so maybe I should

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skirt out into this clearing and work my way around.

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The trees went in a.

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Imagine a capital j and I was below the foot

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of the jay, and the trees arked around, and I thought, okay,

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I'll loop around and just keep some distance from these

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trees in case some animal comes back out at me.

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So take a deep breath, get the rifle Steady wants

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to get knock pointing it. Those rules of gun safety.

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I've been handling guns since I was four. I didn't

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have a target, I didn't know what was back there.

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I'm not going to point my firearm at anything. Take

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a deep breath, and I step out in the open.

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And it was like I made it maybe two three steps,

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and this thing I tried describing it to someone else,

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it was like having a bomb go off right in

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front of me.

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This thing.

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I don't know what that was swinging, but it must

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have been picked up a small tree, and just the

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force and violence behind this was just a kaboom. It

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just smashed into I don't know, it floored me. I literally,

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if someone could have caught me on video, I just

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stumbled backwards, almost tripped and fell over. I've got all

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my gear on my back, my rifle slung in, and

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I just staggered back in shock, and I look up

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and it all I could see was the chest up

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and it. Let me tell you, when I told this,

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I didn't tell my wife this for a year. I

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even told a YouTube channel about this, but I left

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out this part because I could. I'll tell you what

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happened afterwards, but it'll explain it. I when I looked up,

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because I staggered back, I'm looking at my feet tripping

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over grass, and all I can see is this massive

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shoulders neck head and this thing's just standing squared off

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to me, just glit, just looking down at me.

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What people would say, looking down your nose.

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And this is how I told people this story. I

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heard this massive explosive smash, and then it's like film

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reels of my brain got cut out, and I don't

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remember what happened except for what I did next, which

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was I see this thing maybe for one thousand and one,

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one thousand and two, maybe three, probably not more like

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two seconds, and I get off the X it's looking

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right at me. I take a diagonal out into the

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middle of that clearing. Then i'd bring my rifle up

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to my shoulder and I start out rifle pointed right

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at that tree I had. I had the scope at

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one power. I was hunting with an AR ten you know,

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chamber in three oh eight, and I'm backing up in.

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Every single fiber of my being is just screaming to run.

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I knew not to do that, But there's this other

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This is what chokes me up. Is there's that part

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of me, this an experienced hunter, that says, don't run,

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don't turn your back on it. The other part is

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like this little kid sitting in a corner in a

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ball going, this gun's not going to be enough.

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You're not going to be able to stop it before

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it gets you.

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And when I told that to someone else, they said, yeah,

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that's the the fear talking.

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That's a three oh eight. It's a powerful rifle.

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You're hunting elk with it, right, And I'm like, I

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know the capability of that round.

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That's what scares me is I could kill it.

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I was talking about stopping it, not killing it.

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Like a bear charge.

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You can kill it, but then it's got a whole

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minute to kill you.

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I meant stop it.

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Whether that minute died right instantly or it died thirty

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minutes later. I wasn't sure if maybe if I got

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all talent ten rounds in that mag into it and

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then switched mags, which I had a spare on my belt,

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maybe that would have. But at this point we're thirty

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five yards apart and I'm backing up, so I'm creating distance.

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What I'm trying to say that was the part of

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my brain that I didn't think about any of that.

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I've I've trained with firearms a lot and done some

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of that stuff. So I'm just thinking I need distance

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because if it comes barreling out of those trees at me,

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I need time to get rounds on it, enough rounds

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hopefully to stop it. And but there's that little part,

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there's that little kid in terror just going. It's not

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gonna it's not gonna work. It's not gonna be enough gun.

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And right when I'm just at that breaking point, I

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make a decision that I do need distance and I

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need to create it quickly. But I can't just turn

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my back and run. So I made the decision as

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I'm backing up, I'm gonna turn, I'm gonna lunge like

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three steps how many yards that is, I'm gonna lunge,

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and then I'm gonna pivot back, bring my rifle up back,

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and then rinse and repeat until I got to the

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mountain slope just enough time to create a gap, but

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not turn my back long enough that if it comes

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out that I'm not gonna be just have this thing

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on me. And I got to the slope and just man,

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I just I went as hard as I physically could.

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I thank god I trained so hard for these hunts

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because this I just went straight up, just crashing through stuff.

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But I still told myself, you have to stop. Let's

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double the distance whatever that is, double what you thought

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you were doing in the clearing. Every twenty feet or so, pivot,

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put that rifle down range to make sure it's not

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right on your button coming. I did that repeatedly up

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this mountain. Probably took me about half an hour to

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get up to the top. And when I saw that road, man,

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I just saw this weird flat spot in front of

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me as my nose is almost touching the slope in

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front of.

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Me, and it was the road.

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And I hit that road, went crashing into the embankment

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on the other side, pivoted, put the rifle between my legs,

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and sat there just waiting for something, this head, to

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this huge head to come popping up over the edge

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of the road, and just and I it didn't. And

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I never heard a single sound ever again after that.

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I was so I was so shook up. I was

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less than a quarter mile from our trucks, and I

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didn't I couldn't figure out what to do. And I

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looked down in the snow that was left, and I

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saw my dad's bootprints from the day before. I'm forty

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at the time, I was forty years old, and I'd

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still hey, Dad, Dad got me out of here. I

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followed him his bootsteps back to camp, got in my truck,

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grabbed the large revolver I normally carry in bear country,

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stuffed my ar ten and the passenger side and just

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broke down.

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I couldn't start my truck.

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I was shaking so badly, just tears and and everything

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running into my beard. I was just I finally got

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the truck started and turned the heat on because I

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was shaking so badly.

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I thought I was going into shock.

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And and I just sat there and I feel like

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a coward, waited for my wait until my dad got

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back to camp and we ate dinner. I didn't say

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a word. He probably thought I was just tired, grumpy

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and went to sleep. And I stayed up all night

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in my truck holding that revolver with the rifle nearby,

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just I don't know, waiting to see if you would

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this thing would show up. And by morning I was

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so exhausted. I was then angry, and I was like,

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you know what, I'm gonna strap on this revolver, get

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my spare moon clips, grab my ten milimeter, put that

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on my.

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Hip, grab extra mags, and I'm gonna go back down there.

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I wasn't. It was just stupid.

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That lasted about thirty seconds, and then we ate breakfast

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and my dad asked me, He.

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Said, how was it down that slope? Yesterday.

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I said, that's not worth it, It's not worth the time.

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He said, all right, let's just follow this ridge line.

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And we stuck to the ridge line. And I stayed

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out there another nine eight nine days. Didn't say a word,

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you know, to anybody for a long time, other than

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telling the story minus what I saw. It wasn't till

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much later that I didn't know what was going on

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in my brain. Why I could tell this story, why

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I would talk about it.

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I did.

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I work in the medical field, but I don't understand

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that trauma and psych stuff, and I just didn't realize

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what was going on until you know, nightmares, Uh, just daytime.

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I'd be out working in the yard and just something

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would spark my memory and I would just tears would

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just start running out of my eyes and start shaking,

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and it just messed. And you know, like I said,

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I didn't tell my wife. I started drinking more just

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to get to sleep, just shut down. Not all the time,

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but enough. And she told me much later, She said,

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one night, when I asked you when you kept when

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you told me you didn't think you could kill it,

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And I asked you, what did you see? And you

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started telling me and then you stopped and said, nope,

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I didn't see anything.

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I didn't see anything.

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And then a year later to almost to the day,

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we're walking around looking at Halloween decorations in our neighborhood

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and someone had one of those ten foot tall skeletons

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out there in their yard and we were looking. I said,

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that's about how tall that thing was. And she looked

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at me and she goes, wait, what do you She's like,

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that is that's what you saw? I said, I didn't

462
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see a ten foot tall skeleton. I said, but it

463
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.759
was about that tall. And she just looked at me, like,

464
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.039
what is wrong with you? Why didn't you tell me

465
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.079
this before? And I said, I literally couldn't. I could

466
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:20.440
not get it out. I was maybe my conscious brain

467
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.240
was afraid of even talking to people who have YouTube

468
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.480
channels that talk about sasquatch, that it's all just a

469
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.119
farce and I'm just going to be made fun of

470
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.000
and ridiculed.

471
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.759
And the other part was deeper than that.

472
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.519
It was like, if you say out loud what you saw, now,

473
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.440
it really does exist, and you have to accept that

474
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.519
that you've been out in the woods by yourself hunting

475
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.119
for the most part your entire life, and this is

476
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.759
there and it took just a lot of therapy and

477
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.799
time and you know, quit any you know alcohol thing

478
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.519
you got that out that wasn't helping anything one bit,

479
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.440
and yeah, yeah, that's most of it. And to this bay,

480
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.720
I wasn't a sasquatch guy before. I had listened to

481
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:10.400
Wes Germer show a bit before, just because it happened

482
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.880
across my feed, but which was ironic because I didn't

483
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.920
have any other sasquatch stuff. It was actually it probably

484
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.319
linked to a show that debunks this type of thing.

485
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.720
I was into that stuff when I was a kid,

486
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.759
but the Lockness Monster was my jam because I love sharks,

487
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.519
so anything in the water was pretty cool. And I

488
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.640
grew up in the Pacific Northwest. It's I would have

489
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:35.319
seen a sasquatch by now, But yeah, I don't know

490
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.079
what else to say. I gotta look at it.

491
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:39.880
The thing that.

492
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.240
Got me was, I don't understand the size of this thing.

493
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.720
Don't think I'm exaggerating when I say ten foot, because

494
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.359
we were both on level ground and I'd been staring

495
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.880
at these trees a while, and in relation to me,

496
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.920
I had a rough approximation that they were, you know,

497
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:01.200
seven eight foot and this thing's chess what chest up

498
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.759
was above these some of these trees that it was

499
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:05.519
standing in.

500
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.599
But just the size. The only way I.

501
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.519
Guess I could compare it is if you've ever seen

502
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.119
a cape buffalo or something like that, They're just a

503
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.079
massive animal. I'm not saying this thing look like a

504
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.640
bodybuild or anything.

505
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.680
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

506
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.200
It was just a wall of meat and bone and hair.

507
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:44.319
It was just so big.

508
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.319
When it was standing obviously on two legs and glaring

509
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.480
at me. The only thing I could see of its face.

510
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.119
And once again I didn't look.

511
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.640
At it very long.

512
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.160
I deliberately I glanced and saw it and got this

513
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.839
broad picture of it. I was not going to look

514
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.400
that thing in the eyes, and like I said, I

515
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.400
got out of its eye line of sight and into

516
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.160
that meadow as quick as I could. But its skin,

517
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.640
if that's what it was, its skin was must have

518
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.119
been black, because it's I could just see a strip

519
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.960
where I guess the nose is and most of the forehead,

520
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.960
and then it just had like a beard and mustage,

521
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.640
you know, fully, just like a bearded dude.

522
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:31.359
All the way up to his cheek bones.

523
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.200
The hair came down pretty far in its brow, so

524
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.559
it wasn't a high forehead. But that's all I saw.

525
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.440
I didn't see eyes, I didn't see lips. I tried

526
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.920
not to fill in details and exaggerate. It was just

527
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:50.640
like this black tea big beard hair. Its hair wasn't

528
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:55.119
long and shaggy. It it looked dense, but not very long.

529
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.720
And the coloration, I guess the only way I could

530
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:03.039
comp is if you look at some older pine trees

531
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.759
where they start to have a lot of grays in them,

532
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.799
I guess that would be the predominant color gray, but

533
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.279
with browns and charcoal colors.

534
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.119
It was strange, but it was.

535
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.400
It was like looking at a tree where there's a

536
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.359
predominant color, but there's some other shades that are so

537
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.079
subtly blended in that it almost you question, like, Okay,

538
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.160
what color would I say?

539
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.680
That is? He never made a sound.

540
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.480
I usually say he because I could see most of

541
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.039
the chest and it was just flat.

542
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:47.240
But that's about it for that Dan.

543
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.240
That's a wild, wild account, probably one of the more

544
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:56.799
intense ones that I have heard. I can definitely see

545
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.640
how it would have taken you a long time to

546
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.000
get to the point to share that with people, for sure?

547
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.759
Is it okay if I ask you some questions about

548
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.599
that experience?

549
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:13.240
Of course? Yeah? All right.

550
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.119
So you mentioned already that there there were parts of

551
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.039
it that you didn't look at for certain reasons. Are

552
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:27.039
there details of the face that you were able to remember.

553
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.039
I know you didn't look into the eyes.

554
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.240
Yeah, and I don't think I could have seen the

555
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.720
eyes anyways. I don't know if it was just heavy

556
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:37.759
browed or recess sockets, but.

557
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.000
It gets more or less look like just a massive

558
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:44.200
human head.

559
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.359
I didn't I could see the whole profile of it

560
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.319
because it was in I guess the reason I could

561
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.319
tell you the color is it was in such contrast

562
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.039
to all those beautiful green, young trees that it was

563
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.640
standing in the profile. As far as the head didn't

564
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.480
look particularly conical. It just looked like a big human

565
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.199
head covered in hair and a beard and mustache and

566
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:09.800
just all the.

567
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.239
Way up to his cheekbones.

568
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:18.199
And I thought about it, you know, people I've listened

569
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.159
to obviously your podcast and some other ones now and

570
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:27.000
talking about the nose profile. I couldn't get that any

571
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.880
real good profile. But it didn't seem overly broad, if

572
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.719
that makes sense, just because that strip that I assumed

573
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.840
was its black skin nose was didn't look like it

574
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.719
was spread out across fairly narrow. As far as I

575
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.440
told Brian king Sharp, I told him it looked like

576
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.719
looking into a spartan helmet where you have the eyes

577
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.480
cut out and then just that vertical line where the

578
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.639
cheek guards come together. That's about what it was exposed

579
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.159
on it. Other than his mouth was full beard. It's

580
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.639
cold up there, so he was getting ready for winter.

581
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:09.280
The warmest daytime temp I think was thirty three and

582
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.280
that was that day. The rest of the time it

583
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.719
was about twenty four during the day in about fourteen

584
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:20.880
at night, so pretty chilly. But like I said, the size, though,

585
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.199
that's that probably is what broke my brain more than

586
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.960
seeing something that had a human profile just all of

587
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.480
a sudden standing there in front of me. It just

588
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.079
didn't make any sense how big it was and the

589
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.760
breadth of its shoulders. I looked at my three quarter

590
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.719
ton pickup when I got when I was aware enough

591
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.800
to look at that, I'm like, this thing's shoulders are

592
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.079
as wide as my tailgate. If not, I don't if

593
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.239
it was standing in front of my truck, I don't

594
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.079
it might overlap the hood as far as the width

595
00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:00.880
of its shoulders, and just so big and just dense,

596
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.639
looking like I compare it to a Cape buffalo. It

597
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:08.360
just looked like so much mass just right from that

598
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.880
just that chest up it's It just seemed really preposterous,

599
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.039
and and that's why my brain was going, I don't

600
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.239
know if this gun is going to be enough to

601
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.239
stop it, to break it down so it can't keep

602
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.760
running and get me, because that's what I would have

603
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.480
been going for, just like if a grizzly charges, Yeah, hopefully.

604
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.679
You can get a headshot and shut it down right away.

605
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.079
But the other option is you break its bone structure

606
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.119
with big heavy bullets. And three oh eight is not

607
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:40.519
a big heavy bullet.

608
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:41.719
And I.

609
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.559
Don't know how thick this thing was. But it just

610
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.800
seemed this is all happening in an instant. And yes,

611
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.679
I wasn't scared. This was stark terror. It's the only

612
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.920
time in my life I thought wildland firefire grown up

613
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.599
and have almost gotten burned over, and not once was

614
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.039
I in terror. Yeah, maybe a little bit of adrenaline,

615
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000
but training kicks in this was just the only thing

616
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.960
that got me through that was I've had the opportunity

617
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:16.159
to train a lot. I'm not military, I'm not trying

618
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.960
to be military or tactical, but I have trained with

619
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.159
guys and done the whole shoot and scoot and fire

620
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.960
and maneuver, just mainly for fun.

621
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.760
I enjoy firearms.

622
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.400
And when you can get out and do that with

623
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.840
somebodies and just have a good time and just forget

624
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.559
about everything else. But came in handy because I don't.

625
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.239
I would have either stood there and then he would

626
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:46.400
have decided me. That last knock or whatever you want

627
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.239
to call it was obviously you need to leave and

628
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.079
for it to show itself. And like I said, it

629
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.960
was a guy in a bar, puffed up and just

630
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.800
looking down at you, some big dude, like you need

631
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:05.679
to it out of here. And I did, and maybe

632
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.840
that's all it wanted. And it didn't come after me,

633
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:15.159
no vocalizations, no further wood knocks. It was just over

634
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.760
once I made that break for it. Never heard or

635
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.840
saw anything the rest of the hunt. And I actually

636
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:26.800
went back up there, not to that mountain, but the

637
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.960
same area actually, as far as the crow is the

638
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.880
crow flies, I was probably I went back to the

639
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.559
following weekend because I still had some time. We didn't

640
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.960
get any ELK, and my dad had to go back home,

641
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.440
so I just jumped across the border again by myself.

642
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.280
Got there at nine o'clock at night on the mountain

643
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:48.719
and made base camp, and.

644
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:54.039
But not on that ridge, and I never heard it.

645
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.639
I hunted for another three days by myself in the

646
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.960
lower areas below that mountain. I never heard or saw

647
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.840
anything again. As far as that goes.

648
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:10.719
So to me, that feels like you are almost in

649
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.400
an area that you were not supposed to be, and

650
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.159
it's just making sure that you didn't get any closer

651
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.000
to whatever was going on in that area. That's what

652
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.519
I'm taking from that so far.

653
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.079
Yeah, the thing that's always hung me up is why

654
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.960
did it keep knocking when if it had stopped I

655
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:38.880
was leaving.

656
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:41.280
Why did it keep.

657
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:46.280
Knocking when I stopped and was hesitating about going further it?

658
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.559
You know what, I sent an email to someone who's

659
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:58.000
actually an ex girlfriend and I said, I just got out.

660
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:03.360
I just survived in amb because that's when I was

661
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.880
stumbling back on the road, I wasn't thinking of anything.

662
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.960
But when I got in my truck and was finally

663
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:14.079
felt somewhat safe. That's the one thing that went through

664
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.280
my brain is this was a perfect kill zone. It

665
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.800
was a funnel, trees on all sides except for that

666
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.480
opening of grass. If I was a hunter, I would

667
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.480
have been in those trees watching that meadow.

668
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.679
Why didn't it just let me walk away?

669
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:35.039
If it had stopped making those knocks or maybe it

670
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.800
was a different one, I don't know. That's what's hung

671
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.559
me up to this day. And a lot of people say, oh,

672
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:42.760
they wouldn't do that, and they're not out to get

673
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.360
you in. I was like, I'm not. If it was

674
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.840
it would have had me. But what was it doing?

675
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:49.920
Was this just?

676
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.360
I don't think it's coincidence because if I had stopped

677
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:59.119
and heard a knock once or twice, sure, but four times,

678
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.000
and only when I stopped, I wasn't just standing there

679
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:04.360
for a couple seconds.

680
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.679
It could be five minutes, maybe a little bit more.

681
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.119
And then only when I'm like, ah, this might not

682
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.599
be worth my time. Fuck I hear it and it

683
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.880
kept me going. It still could be the a coincidence.

684
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.679
I'm not trying to make anything of it. That's just

685
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:25.599
what my brain came to was I got lured into

686
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.519
an ambush point and let go. I don't think if

687
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.559
that's the case, I don't think I had anything to

688
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.360
do with me as a person. I just happened to

689
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.519
be a lone hunter out there, and maybe they're like, hey,

690
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:42.880
let's see if we can make a chance with this one.

691
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.960
He's by himself or not. Yeah, that's just an idea.

692
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.039
None of us know.

693
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.039
I don't even know when I was there.

694
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.320
It's tricky because it would it have been a different

695
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.840
story if you were an elk? Is that what they

696
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.679
were waiting for is an elk to come down? There's

697
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.199
all these things we don't know. Yeah, but from what

698
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.599
you remember and from what you were able to see,

699
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.119
how would you categorize what you saw? Would it be

700
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.360
something maybe more human looking or ape looking, or just

701
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.679
something that's not even in those two categories.

702
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.400
I would lean more towards that, not not in either one.

703
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.360
Yeah, sure, a humanoid shape as far as bipedal shoulders, head,

704
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:32.280
that's it. Even comparing it to a great epe like

705
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.719
a gorilla or camp or something. It just didn't It

706
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.079
didn't make any It doesn't. It just doesn't make any sense.

707
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:44.800
They're not like, they're not that big and square shouldered

708
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.920
and thick like it just yeah, it's hard. It's hard

709
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.400
to even categorize it at all other than hey it Yeah,

710
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.599
it had a human shaped up or towards so and

711
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.440
I guess it was covered in hair. So I guess

712
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.199
you could say that's like an eight, but that's it.

713
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.480
You could say a hyena looks like a dog, and

714
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.760
it's not. It looks a lot like one.

715
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.000
So I don't know.

716
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.039
And just to clarify, you'd said that you only saw

717
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.639
things chest and up right, Yeah.

718
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.119
Yeah, it was. These trees were so intermingled.

719
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.960
They were pushing out from the main forest into that

720
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.039
clearing and so there was a lot of younger ones interlaced,

721
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.840
and so it was really dense. That's what was worrying

722
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.719
me is I couldn't see anywhere. You couldn't see anything

723
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:39.119
within that grove of trees at all passed. So it

724
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.559
had I don't know if it must have if it

725
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:46.000
was crouched or behind them and came forward a little bit.

726
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.519
I think it must have been crouched. I don't know.

727
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.519
Do you remember was there a smell around at that time?

728
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:01.440
Were there any sounds in the forest around that time.

729
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:04.880
No, it was pretty quiet.

730
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:12.760
Yeah, it's so interesting. Did you ever so this is

731
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.119
after this all took place. Did you ever look into

732
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.440
that area to see if there had been any other

733
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.719
reported things happening related?

734
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:30.559
No? I was done. Wow, I wanted like, I said,

735
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:31.360
this is later.

736
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.920
Once I finally this therapist who was a combat vet

737
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.920
was the one who got me on the right track

738
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:41.000
and said because I couldn't even spit it out to him,

739
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:42.800
and he said, look, here's what I want you to do.

740
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.000
Write it all down, the full story from when you

741
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.119
left your house. I don't care if it takes you

742
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:49.599
two months.

743
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:49.840
To write this.

744
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.559
Write every detail, put everything down, include what you're not

745
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:54.559
wanting to tell me.

746
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.199
And when I did that, it was like, okay.

747
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.760
It took me about a week of setting that thing

748
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.119
aside before I could describe that scene on paper. And

749
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.320
then after that I could talk about it, but well,

750
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:10.880
tell my wife at least.

751
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.039
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

752
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.000
But no, I was like, I don't want anything to

753
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:33.480
do with this. I'm done.

754
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.280
I swore that day. I was like, I'm never going

755
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.480
hunting again. I'm not even all set foot in a

756
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:40.079
city park.

757
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.960
That's it. I'm not why that's runner around, But once again.

758
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.679
For some reason, I went back the weekend after by

759
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:50.639
myself at night.

760
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.199
Yeah, so no, I don't I apologize. I didn't look

761
00:45:58.239 --> 00:45:58.880
into anything.

762
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.159
So the therapist then, I would guess read all what

763
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.800
you wrote down. No, really, okay, he.

764
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.559
Said, when you're done, I want you to go. I

765
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.599
want you to go burn it. Wow if you can

766
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.079
where this happened. And I haven't made it back there yet.

767
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.719
So you still have that paper intact?

768
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:27.000
I do.

769
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.960
Yeah, is that something you think of? Where? Do you

770
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.079
think you'll ever go back to that area and burn it?

771
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.320
Or maybe not so much?

772
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.920
Yeah? I think I will, Plus I've had more time

773
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.519
to think about it, and I don't know. I went

774
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.559
the following year, spent two and a half weeks in

775
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.400
the frank Kirk Wilderness. Didn't bother me one bit. I

776
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.199
was up there by myself for days. My dad had

777
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.800
to go back home to help my mom, and that

778
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.519
was fine, no problems.

779
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.800
Yeah, I just might.

780
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.079
You mentioned that this really affected you afterwards. You started

781
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.360
to have dreams as well.

782
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:29.079
You said, yeah, those night terrors I the worst though,

783
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.880
which is fine, I dealt with that stuff before, leet

784
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:33.920
prolysis and all that.

785
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.559
I've had that really bad for over a decade. But

786
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:39.480
the worst.

787
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.599
Part was just being awaken. It's the middle of the

788
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.199
day once again. This happened at one o'clock in the afternoon,

789
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.199
and so it was broad daylight. I could just be

790
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.440
all safe here in our home and just.

791
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:51.679
This just.

792
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.840
Wave of I don't know what would come over me

793
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:01.840
and I would just start shaking and just involuntarily crying

794
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:08.320
and just have to just do something or I yeah,

795
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.239
I had no idea what was going on in my

796
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:12.920
brain and tell it, you know, went south a little

797
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:19.320
bit more. I just couldn't process it, and I obviously

798
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.559
wasn't talking about it other than I could tell the

799
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.480
rest of the story.

800
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:23.599
It sounded good.

801
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.719
It sounded almost like a cool hunting story where something

802
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.519
weird happened. And I think that's what I was trying

803
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.480
to do in my brain, is build up. If I

804
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.679
tell a few people minus what I saw, because they'll

805
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:35.880
think I'm crazy and.

806
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.440
I will have to acknowledge what happened. Let's just tell

807
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:40.000
the rest of it.

808
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.840
I heard these crazy knocks, and who knows what happened,

809
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.880
and yeah, it was fun, right, But in the meantime,

810
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:53.639
it's just this ball of whatever just getting compressed tighter

811
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:54.480
and tighter in me.

812
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:02.159
And yeah, it was just something else.

813
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:07.519
During the dreams. Were there any times when it felt

814
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.960
like there was something trying to communicate you at all?

815
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:13.880
No, I would either.

816
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.920
I would catch a sleep prolysis moment of this just

817
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:23.880
hulking black figure coming through the door. Or I would

818
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.880
just wake up already sobbing and not know why, just

819
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.880
feel scared, like a little kid, just scared, and I'd

820
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.239
just get out of bed and leave, leave the bedroom.

821
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.039
And I don't even remember most the dreams really, it

822
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.159
was just that waking up and start care for no reason,

823
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:42.880
just peer.

824
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.119
Panic already fight or flight out of a dead sleep.

825
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:55.400
And have you experienced other things, other strange things before

826
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.599
this event, or was this the first time in your

827
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.079
life where you've experienced something that was just out of

828
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.239
the ordinary.

829
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.960
Low boy, you'd have to ask that question. I haven't

830
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.000
told anybody this. I don't know if I should tell you.

831
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:12.440
But all right.

832
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:20.679
Before that happened, I totally forgot about this even just

833
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.239
because it was like whatever is it?

834
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:22.639
Weird?

835
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:26.119
Had no correlate I think this the event of that

836
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:32.800
day wiped it out. But the first or second night

837
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.880
on that mountain, we're sleeping in our trucks and it's

838
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:41.760
just pitch black and dark, and I hear this low,

839
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.280
this sound that is so low pitched that it hurts

840
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.800
my ears. And I'd blown my ear drums out a

841
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:53.280
few times shooting firearms, and but it just hurt and

842
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.119
I could literally it's like I couldn't hear it, but

843
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.880
I could put my hand against my truck, and this

844
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.800
up on this remote black mountaintop with really not much

845
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.760
of a road and nothing else around us south of us,

846
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.800
there's not trails, there's nothing. It's just national forest wilderness,

847
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:19.079
like awful terrain in this sound. I started it physically

848
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:20.639
hurt my ear and I was like, I need to

849
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:21.239
go to sleep.

850
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:21.960
What is doing this?

851
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.000
So I was trying to mash my ears against my

852
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.679
sleeping bag and it just kept going, and I started

853
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:29.320
listening to it.

854
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.400
I'm like, this has a rhythm to it. What is

855
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:32.599
going on here? And it was.

856
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.559
I would look at my watch and I could time

857
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:40.000
the peaks and valleys. It was very almost in its repetition, mechanical,

858
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.360
but it was so low that it just it really

859
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.800
hurt my ears. At one point I even rolled the

860
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.239
window down put my phone out with a voice recorder.

861
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:53.599
So I'm like, I got to catch whatever this is.

862
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.440
I brought it back in and turned it on. I

863
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.119
turned it, I checked it. Then I couldn't hear anything

864
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.440
because of that weird sound.

865
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:01.159
But later on.

866
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.679
I played it and no sound came out, but the

867
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.679
peaks and valleys, the jumps, and just the timing of

868
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:11.679
those reverberations showed on my phone on.

869
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.199
The voice recorder. And this kept happen.

870
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.079
This went on for over an hour and a half,

871
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:24.039
and at one point this small plane, and this is

872
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.679
the middle of the night, comes flying, comes over really low,

873
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:33.320
and I was so tired and getting a little i don't.

874
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.440
Know, like worried. I'm like, this is really bizarre.

875
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:40.320
This sounds like it's coming from one exact direction, which

876
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.360
was west of me, because I could plug my ear

877
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.280
facing it and hear nothing. But then when I took

878
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.960
it away and I faced that direction, I could just

879
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.599
feel that kind of someone has base in their car

880
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.440
and their blocks away. But this plane came over and

881
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.039
I thought, oh, maybe that'll make it shut up. I

882
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.599
was so tired and exhausted anyways, and sure enough, this

883
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:08.039
plane comes over pretty darn low and the sound stops

884
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:13.519
and I'm like, oh, thank goodness. And ten minutes goes

885
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.000
by and I'm like, oh, I'm falling asleep. And then

886
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.360
it starts back up, but quicker. The beat is quicker,

887
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.320
just this deep hum and it just starts picking up

888
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:30.519
pace and I'm like, oh no, and it's scary because

889
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.440
there's nothing else around. I'm like, what is making this

890
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.000
is so bizarre. And I got out of my truck

891
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:41.199
once i flipped from scared to mad again. I'm not

892
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.880
my truck, and I'm like, all right, if something's gonna

893
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.599
kill me right now, or come out of the woods.

894
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.400
And I could still hear it, but and it was

895
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.840
coming from one direction. Obvious, just based on how I turned.

896
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.360
You can triangulate that sound. In the morning, I didn't

897
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:04.159
really sleep. We got up about four o'clock and my

898
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:06.360
dad crawled out of his truck and I said, how

899
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.079
did you sleep last night with that sound?

900
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:09.440
And he said, what are you talking about?

901
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:15.320
And I said that like super deep, vibrating, weird bass

902
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.440
sound that went on for a two plus, you know,

903
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:18.519
over two hours.

904
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.119
You didn't feel or hear that. He's like hearing. He's

905
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.719
not so good anymore. So Nope.

906
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.039
I went, Okay, that's weird, and then went about our

907
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.920
day and never really thought much of it.

908
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:31.239
Again.

909
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:38.039
Did it affect you in any other parts beside your ears?

910
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:38.920
No?

911
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:41.760
Okay, that is really weird.

912
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:46.960
Yeah, And I was like, maybe it's a I don't know,

913
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.000
some distant mining operation or something.

914
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.639
We're up in the woods.

915
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.639
It maybe it is something mechanical and just by the

916
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.880
nature of how sound carries and chrisp high cold air,

917
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.159
I don't know, but that was weird.

918
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:04.800
It's funny you asked that.

919
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:09.320
Because I mentioned that to my kid the other day,

920
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.519
and of course he had all kinds of speculation and

921
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:13.280
thoughts about it.

922
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.079
But yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. Is it? Could

923
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.119
it be an infrasound thing? Hard to say. Did you

924
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:23.880
ever experience any strange lights when you're up there?

925
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:26.599
No?

926
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:35.119
And did you hear any other sounds that just did

927
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.519
not seem to fit the area that you were in?

928
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:42.239
No other than that running into.

929
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:46.280
A monster sized sasquatch. The rest of the hunting was

930
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.800
pretty chill. Had a moose break cover right in front

931
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.360
of me, almost run me over, and.

932
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.400
Yeah, there's lots of food up there. There's more. I

933
00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:00.800
saw more moose in that location, I have my whole life.

934
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.320
And that alone is a good piece of information too,

935
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.840
because that's a huge food source. And if you're saying

936
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.519
there's tons of it up there, there's another piece of evidence.

937
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:17.320
Could Yeah, these creatures could definitely be sustained in that

938
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.119
region due to the huge food source, besides the fact

939
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.719
that you saw it with your two eyes, which is

940
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.119
that's number one piece of evidence right there.

941
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.760
But yeah, there's lots of food, lots of protein up there.

942
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:33.280
There's wolf ran into some wolfires, black and grizzly bear,

943
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.039
a lot of white tail. I saw a few mealle's

944
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.599
the moose. I just couldn't believe how much not only

945
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.639
moose signed but having them just run across the roads

946
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:49.320
that was lower down. We dropped off of that mountain after. Coincidentally,

947
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.639
the day after the day after that happened, we primarily

948
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.199
hunted low because well, a I was happy too. I

949
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.159
didn't say anything, but there was no ant. There just

950
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.920
wasn't enough animal up there at that time of year.

951
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.679
But no, pretty pretty mellow outside that.

952
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.159
Do you still have that audio you recorded that night.

953
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:15.519
I don't think I do, other than it had those

954
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.800
perfectly timed blips and no audible sound to it.

955
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:21.559
I was just like, what am I going to do

956
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.440
with this? That was weird? I just wrote it all

957
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.920
off as right. I don't know.

958
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:34.159
Did you record any audio or video during the time

959
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:38.360
of the encounter or in the same time of day.

960
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:39.360
No.

961
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:45.239
I probably have some pictures random things, but no, usually this,

962
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.079
I don't even carry my cell phone with me.

963
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:50.239
There's no reception up there.

964
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:52.719
So you didn't have a cell phone with you at

965
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:53.800
the time of the encounter.

966
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:56.679
Oh, no, it was in my truck.

967
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:00.559
Yeah, okay, interesting, I'll.

968
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.000
Probably break it if I carry it with me in too.

969
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.199
It's just yeah, I guess other pictures it's worthless up there.

970
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.760
Did you Did you have any other electronics with you?

971
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.480
Not on my person?

972
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:17.760
Hmm, that's interesting.

973
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:19.400
I did. I take that back?

974
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.079
My dad and I carry two way radios, but I

975
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.360
probably had that turned all the way down.

976
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:27.320
I'm pretty sure I did.

977
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.760
If I if one of us suspects that there's an

978
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.800
animal close and we need to go into kind of

979
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.079
stalking mode where well I will shut them down.

980
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:37.679
Gotcha?

981
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:38.119
Yeah?

982
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.960
Makes sense. So back to a previous question, Let's say,

983
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:49.599
before this hunting expedition in your life, were there any

984
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:54.480
other strange things that you experienced besides all.

985
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:59.239
Of this, I've had some odd occurrences hunting that I

986
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.639
even then, this is way before that happened, that I

987
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:03.920
still thought it was weird.

988
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.800
Do you want me to describe that at all?

989
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:13.760
So sometimes it can be interesting. There can be connections

990
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.519
that come up between the two. Yeah, if it's something

991
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:19.199
you feel comfortable sharing.

992
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.400
Oh sure, nothing here normal.

993
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:26.199
I admit, up until this point complete skeptic in all

994
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.440
this is a kid I would have loved if Sasquatch

995
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.480
was real, But as I got to an adult, I'm like,

996
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.320
like a lot of hunters are people that spend a

997
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:34.599
lot of time in the outdoors.

998
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.360
I would have seen one by now at the very least.

999
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.519
Of course, then you go back into areas like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming,

1000
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.039
and you see how much untouched territory, and you could

1001
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:48.840
easily go No, there's lots of things that could live

1002
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:50.719
out here and never be seen by a human. The

1003
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.719
humans don't even go to some of these places that

1004
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.960
I've looked a glass from a ridge line. It's humans

1005
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:00.079
don't go over here, right, But I was in one

1006
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.440
of those areas in the frank Church. I'd been tracking

1007
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:09.599
a tailing a herd of elk since before daylight. I

1008
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.199
had cut their sign early, had a headlamp on. My

1009
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.159
dad said he had seen some fresh track and thought

1010
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:17.800
it would be a good place for me to go,

1011
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.000
and so I cut their track pretty early and followed

1012
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.920
them up this ridge line and just kept going, probably

1013
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:30.599
five plus miles, and I got to this bench where

1014
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.239
the ridge line went from just a goat trail that

1015
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.360
I could only stand on to this wide bench and

1016
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.079
a burn had a fire had gone through, so all

1017
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:43.519
the trees were burned.

1018
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.519
Big for society would be right back after these messages.

1019
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.239
They were still standing, but just dead skeletons, and there

1020
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.079
was a little bit of grass in there. But I

1021
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:13.320
followed the herds tracks in there and there's just no cover.

1022
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.440
So I'm like, if they're at the end, I can

1023
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:17.159
see them and they can see me, and I can't

1024
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.440
see them, so I'll just keep falling their sign and

1025
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.519
maybe catch up to them. I've been tailing them all

1026
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:26.119
day and I get there about to the middle of

1027
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.760
this bench and it's just it was eerily quiet, just

1028
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.320
no wind, no bugs, no birds. It's just dead silent,

1029
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.800
and I'm in this ghost yard of dead trees. It

1030
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:37.719
was just creepy.

1031
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.320
But I.

1032
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.719
Got about halfway in and that heard it just literally

1033
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.960
button hooked on me and went back the way we

1034
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.119
had come and dove off the ridge down into this

1035
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.320
just ravine of trees and awfulness. And I'm like, that's

1036
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.880
it for them. I'm not going after him down there,

1037
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:03.320
And so I stopped behind this down tree that I

1038
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.239
sat behind the root bolt so I could have some shade,

1039
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.360
and I'm just eating.

1040
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:09.119
In this looking around.

1041
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.719
I'm like, this is really cool, this is bizarre, this

1042
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.199
is really quiet. I haven't seen a I think you'd

1043
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.599
see a bird. Those trees are full of bugs.

1044
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.480
And I just.

1045
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.960
Got that prickly on the back of my neck feel

1046
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.559
and I'm like, okay, I can see halfway one way

1047
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:31.599
down this across this ridge, but what's behind me? Because

1048
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.400
my back is to this huge down tree. And I

1049
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:39.840
just grabbed my rifle and pivoted around, just expecting to

1050
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.880
see like a cat or something sneaking up on me.

1051
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.159
And there was nothing, of course, but I just.

1052
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:50.280
Got up, got my gear on and was like, I'm

1053
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.440
leaving this place, this is this doesn't feel right. That's

1054
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.599
that hasn't happened to me really any other time. I've

1055
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:03.480
had clothes encounters with bear, some little too close, and

1056
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.360
that's just what it is, bear or bear, And this

1057
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.440
was one of those few times I think something stuck

1058
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:11.360
in me and I can't see.

1059
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:16.079
It, so I'm just gonna back away and call it good.

1060
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:21.079
That is that is very interesting for sure.

1061
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.400
Yeah that was a bad Yeah, that was a bad feeling.

1062
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.719
But never had anything like that again, So I don't

1063
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:33.639
know if that means anything at all. It was just

1064
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.239
it was a weird thing, and I thought about it later.

1065
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:44.159
Would you ever want to see or experience what you

1066
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.000
experienced that day again?

1067
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:56.320
No, nope. I don't think I would gain anything from it.

1068
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:01.000
I've seen it. I know they're real now.

1069
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:06.840
I just I don't think it would serve anything.

1070
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.920
I'd be fascinated to see what their anatomy is laid

1071
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:13.159
out on a slab.

1072
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.760
Not that I'm saying we should go out and kill them.

1073
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.559
I'm just saying I been in the medical field my

1074
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:20.480
whole adult life.

1075
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:26.159
It'd be fascinating to see how they're structured and other

1076
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.400
than being scared out of your mind, have some time

1077
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.039
to really look at them. But outside of that type

1078
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:37.360
of scenario, no, I don't want much to do with them.

1079
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:40.880
Yeah, that makes sense, Dan, this has been a really

1080
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.079
interesting conversation. I'm glad that you reached out to me.

1081
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:46.559
Thank you for doing that.

1082
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:48.880
Oh, thank you.

1083
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:54.519
The good thing about this and sometimes it's not this,

1084
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.800
but sometimes encounters like this make it so the person

1085
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.960
never go in the woods again. And it sounds like

1086
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.559
you're at the point where you're okay with because going

1087
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.480
in the woods.

1088
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.960
I am as much as I don't really want to

1089
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.480
have anything to do with them, and that's fine. They

1090
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.920
probably don't with me either, who is aware before because

1091
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:19.920
there are other things out there that can kill you

1092
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:25.599
and treat you like a snack. But I just, yeah,

1093
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.760
I if I hear strange knocking sounds in the woods,

1094
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:34.559
I'm not going to go towards them again. Like it going, well,

1095
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.119
what's this? This is pretty cool, let's figure out what

1096
01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:41.559
this is. I'll probably leave that alone. Jeremiah, I apologize,

1097
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.599
but there's one thing I didn't say about why. I

1098
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.880
thought it may have actually been trying to draw me in,

1099
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:53.719
but got really pissed off at the end is my rifle.

1100
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.239
I was camoed head to toe. The only thing you

1101
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.039
could see on me was my eyes. The rest was

1102
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:06.000
camouflage everything, and that includes my rifle. So with that

1103
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:10.440
rifle held up against my torso it doesn't it looked

1104
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:17.119
like my jacket. So I actually I wondered, wasn't it. Kay,

1105
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:19.400
what's this guy doing by himself? Let's get him a

1106
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.840
little closer. And once I got close enough and it

1107
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.920
could clearly see this was a weapon.

1108
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.400
And not just part of my body.

1109
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.280
That's when I came into the open and I had

1110
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.920
the rifle at low ready, so not just held you know,

1111
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.480
vertical with my body, but away. That's when those five

1112
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:45.599
rapid fire knocks came. And when I decided to ignore that,

1113
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:52.039
which in retrospect was ridiculous. There it was very clear

1114
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:57.199
something was not happy with me, and I kept advancing.

1115
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.840
Maybe that's when it's like, all right, enough is enough.

1116
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.960
This guy's got a gun. All right, fund's over. We

1117
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.079
don't want to get shot. But if he's going to

1118
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:09.559
keep coming, let's square off and show him whose boss.

1119
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.440
Absolutely, that's just one of those things.

1120
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.239
How do you feel about people that it's a weekend.

1121
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:22.559
Let's go into the woods trying to find the Bigfoot

1122
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.119
and knock on trees and all that good stuff. Do

1123
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:30.639
you have any feeling towards people like that or advice

1124
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:32.039
or no?

1125
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:35.000
I don't have any. I guess I just have no comment.

1126
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:36.239
That's fine.

1127
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.960
If you want to do that, I you will.

1128
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.360
I won't, right, Yeah, I won't do it.

1129
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.960
But no, I I'm the last one to ask advice.

1130
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.679
I walked right towards wood knocks and tell this thing

1131
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.880
had to get mad enough to show me off that once.

1132
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.320
I guess I could have looked at it longer, but

1133
01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.920
that's that whole instinct. Well, don't look up another preyer

1134
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.079
or in the eye and square off with it.

1135
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.880
Otherwise that might work.

1136
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.039
That works with a mountain lion or a black bear,

1137
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.199
they can be pretty easily intimidated, but not something like that.

1138
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:15.360
He was clearly the one trying to do the intimidating

1139
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.319
and it worked. So no, I just hope people are safe.

1140
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:20.159
It just seems like.

1141
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:21.760
It.

1142
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.079
I mean, my whole part of my whole problem with

1143
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:31.199
this whole thing is I don't know what its intentions

1144
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.399
were and what those knocks meant until the end, that

1145
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.399
was pretty clear you need to leave. So that would

1146
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:42.680
make me very nervous to go out and do that

1147
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:44.960
and not know.

1148
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.560
What you're saying to them. Does that make sense?

1149
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.279
I've heard other I've heard other people say that, but yeah,

1150
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:54.039
to each their own.

1151
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:55.800
Just be safe, that's right.

1152
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.399
I'm glad people are getting out in the woods's that's

1153
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:01.039
I hope for everybody.

1154
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:02.840
Absolutely be careful.

1155
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.680
I didn't want this. I didn't ask for it. I

1156
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:06.079
had no.

1157
01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:10.119
Thought in my brain that I would this would ever

1158
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.920
happen to me. Like I said, it just wasn't a

1159
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.840
thing to my brain. I guess that's why I could.

1160
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.159
I walked towards the Knoxes. I'm like, okay, it don't

1161
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.359
think it's a human outdoing this, and I don't know

1162
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:24.560
of any animals in North America that can do this.

1163
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.279
Let's go figure out what it is. But at no

1164
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.680
point was it like, oh, this might be a sasquatch.

1165
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:30.079
I didn't.

1166
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:35.079
I wasn't versed enough in that they do knocking sounds

1167
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:37.800
and other stuff like that until I started listening to

1168
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:39.399
more podcasts.

1169
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:46.720
And hmm, Danny, did you have any questions for me

1170
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:49.640
that that didn't come up during recording.

1171
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.399
You actually asked me some of the questions I would

1172
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:57.199
have asked, so no, I really appreciate that.

1173
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:04.960
Awesome. If there's anything that if you ever need help

1174
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:09.960
with this in the future, feel free to reach out. Definitely.

1175
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.560
That's the main reason that I do stuff like this,

1176
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.720
try to help people work through stuff. But yeah, Dan,

1177
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.640
thank you so much for taking some time to share

1178
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.439
what you experienced up there in northern Idaho.

1179
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.479
Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for your time here.

1180
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.800
At Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform

1181
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.840
for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter

1182
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.359
and a safe and respected environment. But we need to

1183
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:41.960
hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just

1184
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:47.359
can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society

1185
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.000
at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

1186
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.079
And I know a lot of you have not shared

1187
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:59.039
your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's

1188
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.079
time that you get off your chest and then you

1189
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.359
can get some well deserved for rest because I know

1190
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:08.239
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

1191
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:10.560
and I appreciate every one of you listening.

1192
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:16.560
Bigfoot Society podcasts hosted by our captain Jeremiah Byron, where

1193
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:20.840
it's all Bigfoot, all the time. Have you ever had

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Here's the list. These are all on Oregon. By the way, Oakridge,

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Dexter Fall Creek, to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultist Lake,

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Spirit Lake, Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

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the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

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West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

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Lake Highway. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail

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