Bigfoot in Bluff Creek | New Sightings!

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to mister Don Clarius today. Don is an individual that had shared a very interesting interaction bigfoot wise in my Facebook group, which is Bigfoot Sightings and Research I believe is the name of it. And so I reached out to Don and asked if if he wanted to come on the show to share what he's experienced, and thankfully he said yes. So Don, welcome to the show today. How's it going, man, Glad to be here, Jeremiah. Absolutely.

1:14 You know, we've got some really interesting ground to cover, so I would say, you know, feel free to take us. I guess we're going all the way back to the late nineteen fifties and feel free to share how this all started for you. Well, I had just seen the great beat movie of Snowman of the MLAs or whatever it was called a Vomitable Snowman at it and I thought it was all imaginary. And in nineteen fifty eight, I was listening to the radio in New York City where I lived, late night, I think at nine years old, and I heard Jerry Crewe being interviewed on the radio. Now, Jerry crew had been working on a logging road Bluff Creek in California, which is a extreme northwest portion of California, and they were building a logging road that paralleled Bluff Creek, and all of a sudden in the morning, all of this incredibly heavy equipment was tossed around as though it had toys, and scattered around the camp were these enormous barefoot human footprints, but much much larger than humans. And that's that's where the nickname Bigfoot came came out. And of course the real name is sasquach. But I was just utterly intrigued.

2:37 And twelve years later I was going to school in California, and I thought, well, for spring breaking, why don't I go to the spot where two and a half years earlier, the Patterson Gilllan film had been taken. And on the Patterson Gillelan film, there's a moment where Patty, that's what we call the SaaS question, turns over her shoulder and looks, and at that moment you can see the spot where my friend and I camp. He was at the edge of. Oh, don are you still there?

3:18 Yes? Okay, great? I thought we had lost you there for a second. Last thing I heard was we had the area where you and your friend had camped at. Right. Well, we did our homework, and we did a lot of research. You know, we found that sasquatch are our subspecies of humans. You know, the nest evens Neanderthal, Homo sapiens and sasquatch just happened to be covered with hair, and so they had the intelligence of a human, but also the the senses of an animal, and their sense of smell is tremendous and like a hundredfold, but ours is and we did our research and we found that any group that had guns did not encounter sasquatch, accept Patterson, Roger Patterson and mcgimlin, because they had horses and the smell of the horses overpowered the smell of the gun.

4:26 And that's the only reason in our research that that's why they encountered sasquest. Now, we were driven up to Blunt Creek. The lodging road is it is parallel to Blunt Creek about a mile west and at one point we saw the sign Bigfoot Creek. So that's where our driver dropped us off. Now, it took us four days to hike that one mile, which is incredible because it's so thick. In fact, world explorers called that part of a forest virtually impenetrable. And you know, our friends knew that we believed in sasques. And I'm from New York City and they've warned me, you know, it's going to be spring, there's going to be a lot of animal sounds that don't go jumping to conclusions. The first time you hear a raccoon, Well, we heard absolutely nothing for four days, hot and silence, and that's booked us, and yet it didn't occur to us that that's one of the morning signs that sasquesch are in the area. And so on the fourth day, late in the fourth day, we heard the rapids and Bluff Creek up ahead. Now we were placing our own trail for those almost four miles and about maybe one thousand yards west of Bluff Creak.

5:57 Now we're on a game trail, and as soon I heard a sound behind me on the game show. Now, after four days of told in silence, that startling. So I turned to look, thinking maybe I'd see a boy scout or something. I wasn't thinking this early that all I could see was the trunk of a tree about the bigness of a human arm, vibrating back and forth as though a huge bird had just taken off, except there was no huge bird, and I just didn't think anything of it. So then we got to Block Creek. There was a sandbar, and that was my first time backpacking.

6:42 But my partner, he was an experienced woodsman, and we had no guns, but he was an expert archer, so we had his high tech bow and arrow. But we didn't see any sasquatch tracks. At the sandbar, so we can't in a place maybe two hundred yards maybe three indyards down wind from it, so that the animals can tell us we were there by smell. But for three days we had heard absolutely nothing. And there was a swimming hole maybe two hundred yards east of our campsite, and I was waiting in the pool and Ken, who's a really solid nope, fear fearless, that's the word, fearless outdoorsment.

7:38 He comes to me and there's a look on his face that I've never seen before. And he said to me, don I don't like work. We're camp too susceptible to flash fluds. Well, that time of year, the chance of slash one is absolute zero and can and can't do that. But I could see that something at camp had spooked him. And Ken is the kind of person who would not want to talk about it. So I asked, Ken, you know, it's what is it now? For four fifteen? How long do you think it's going to take us to break camp and move out? And he said, well, I actually did some figures figuring it is that he realized what my point was, that we don't have time to find a new camp site. Before it turns dark. So he said, the first thing in the morning, we're getting out of here, so it really gets dark in a hurry in that area Bluff Creek, Contandon, And so we've just finished dinner.

8:43 We're sitting on the log facing the forest and the campfire, and we hear a heavy animal approaching down the game trail. Now this is again startling because we've had six days until it was silence, and to hear an animal it was worth walking purposely and without hesitation. So this is an animal that apparently can see in the dark. And I'm a musician, and I can estimate by the sound of the branches being crushed under its feet, maybe four or five inch branches, And that's a heavy animal. And so I showed my flashlight up to see how big was the bear. And that's not what I saw. If only I had seen the bear eight feet or so off the ground were two red eyes reflecting the light.

9:37 You know. That means that this animal can see in the dark, and it's eight feet above the ground, which means we went to all this trouble to encounter sasquatch, and now that we're face to face with him, less than ten feet away. We are scared to death. We were absolutely hysterical and encircled our camp maybe forty five minutes, always out of sight, not that we wanted to see it. I mean, this is this is the odd thing. You know. We went to all that trouble, is all that research so that we could encounter sasquatch, and now that we have, we are terrified, utterly terrified. And about forty five minutes later, it picked up a rock the size of a human face and threw it at our seat. Excellent need. And I don't know how I got to sleep that night because all my thoughts were Albert Austin's. Albert Austin had lived.

10:36 It was an endorsement of the minor, and he went camping in the nineteen twenties and he was actually carried off in a sleeping bag by a Sasquatch at night and taken to the Sasquatch family, and it took him three days before he could get away. But that's all I went through my mind. So in the morning, when we woke up, we were just relieved to still be we're We went to sleep, and I had promised Ken that we would promptly move on but I wanted to get photographs of the prince, and of course the soil was so solid there were no discernibles what prints, except they were in the juge couches maybe foot the half long.

11:21 And it was rather than go back to the way we had come, which of this four days, we decided to walk down the stream and our maps showed that there was a spurf from the logging road that intersected Blood Cream maybe two miles from the south. That's where we headed. But all along we could tell that the fast Question was following us, not nearly as close as it had encountered us because that was Tennessee, but that we were aware that it is following us to ensure that we leave the still made with an absolutely terrifying experience. But you know, with a privilege now that's poking back at it. It was really a rare.

12:05 Privilege, Don, that's Don, that's an incredible account. Thank you for sharing that. I definitely have a few questions for you about this, this whole ordeal. Okay, so. Everything the interaction, did you say that happened at the film site itself or that was a different area, Well, that was the film side itself, okay, and that was nineteen seventy. Oh yeah, spring April. Okay, April nineteen seventy. Wow. Interesting, So from and this is just approximately, so you hiked up Bigfoot Creek to Bluff Creek. How many miles would you say then you had to walk to get up to the film site from when you found Bluff Creek?

13:05 Well, it was about a mile. We didn't actually walk at Bluff Creek. We did not walk at a long Bigfoot Creek. We walked. We placed our own trail to stop Bigo Creek and it was only a mile and it took us four days. Okay, so you you did not get dropped off at Bigfoot Creek. It was a different area. Oh yeah, we were dropped out the big Foot Creek were an intersections in the logging road. Okay, gotcha? Gotcha? And you said so that was about a mile to get to the film site from where that was?

13:47 Right? Okay, very very interesting. How did you end up finding where that that actual film site was or was it a thing where you just recognized it once you you know, hyped up there. We recognize the terrain now, the splash, plus you know, two and a half years of a lot of it changed, but there were certain things at the bars where and you know the rock formations. Uh. And it was actually, you know, rather easy than fine. The fact that it was big of a creek, uh, indicated that you get visited the spot.

14:32 Yeah. I mean that's that's just the name of it. You know. It kind of makes you wonder for sure, were there any things about the film site that that jumped out that you saw You were like, Okay, I see that, and I see that this has to be the place. Well, the larger boulders were still there. The smaller stones of course, when the floods come every spring, they get washed away. And the subsequent to that trip, we have seen I have seen several stone crews travel to the spot and it was the same spot.

15:17 H Do you know what film cruise those would have been. Finding big Foot? And uh, I cannot think of the names. I got it. Yeah, So you're saying, in in later years you saw other people traveling to that area, and you're like, yeah, it's the same area, gotcha. Okay, big for Society will be right back after these messages.

16:05 I left off the I left off the end of my story. You know, we got down to the h you know. This is you know, two days after our encounter. So we're now at the junction of the spur from the logging road where empties into the Bluff Creek. And apparently they built the spur because they had bulldoze so many tree steps that they were needed the spur to dump them into Bluff Creek. And so there's this two hundreds of foot or so sheer but not quite a cliff, but maybe a forty five degree angle, and it's loose soil and gravel and all of that. And it took us, you know, we climbed. We each had a fifty pounds backpack, which didn't make it easy, but you know, for every tree steps, every three steps we climb wild slide back to By the time we got to the top, we were so out of breath. We collapsed on the log and just to catch our breath, and soon heard an enormous crash. I can elephant it follow them out of the tree. And then we heard this strange gurgling whistle like a bird, only two or three octaves in the pitch below. And I had never heard anything like that before, and I didn't share it again until I heard a recording of the sound of Bigfoot made on a trail camp and it was the same and it just brought chills.

17:37 You know. This was years later, but it was an experience I'll never forget. That is extremely interesting. Did you guys bring any you know, anything with you to try to document what you might find or was it is it purely for the adventure to try to get to the spot? Well, I had a camera. Now, my theory is that the past question sense of smell is like a hundredfold what a humans is that electronic cameras and guns give off smells that humans cannot detect, but a task question can.

18:20 So being limited and the equipment we took the only thing I had with a thirty five mimeters no camera, and I had that wrapped up in the buried into my backpack, so that got down the amount of smell. Were you I'm guessing there was no no photos that were able to be taken anything like that, like what would have been taken just a few years beforehand. Correct. The only photo we took with up the camp site and some of the hiking, but we had no movie camera or video camera.

19:10 Okay, so that's actually there were no videos. There were no consumer video cameras. In nineteen seventy, correct from what I know. So, so you you took a photo though of the campsite that was at the film site you're saying, correct, do you still have that photo? I don't think so. I had something stolen in that unfortunately it was one of them. M. Interesting, what did you take or bring back anything from that trip as a souvenir or anything. No, kay, it's just it would be It's very interesting to be one of the first documented trips to that area besides Roger and Bob.

20:13 Right. M that was that? So how did that affect the rest of your life? And having that you know that that nighttime sighting and that that really must have affected you in some ways. Yes, it made me obsessed with as though I wasn't already obsessed, it actually increased my obsession to the point where I'm now a documentary filmmaker and I cannot afford to pay the copyright fees, so my documentaries cannot be sold and what I do is edited together interviews and reenactments of other encounters.

21:02 Okay, interesting, So is this like, is this like a YouTube thing or or what's the type of medium here. I can't put them on YouTube because of the cocky right Oh. Right, yeah, sure sure, Wow. So right now, you just have a bunch. It sounds like you have probably multiple documentaries that you're you're really not even able to put out there. Right, So I can show them the individuals, but not not for broadcasts or sale. Okay, So are these interviews that you've filmed yourself of people that have had encounters or they're of other from my people's work.

21:50 I get them from other sources. Okay, gotcha, m if you could go back to the other, go ahead. The other The other sources have more clouds than I do. You know, I'm just a person. I'm in my mid seventies and people don't do not take me seriously. But there are sasquatch researchers out there who have cloud credibility and rabatas for lack of a better word, and they get the interviews.

22:32 Do you have Do you have contact with any of the other individuals that were with you during that trip? No, I've blused, I've blust touch with them. Okay, fifty five years ago. Wow. And just just to make sure, so when you were hiking, were you hiking alongside of Bluff Creek or hiking in the creek itself. Okay, if you can picture two parallel lines up and down. The one on the right is Bluff Creek water, the one on the left is the logging road, and we were going left to right as in an h so we were blazing our own trail. And then after our encounter, we went down a long bluff creek in the water, but next to the water.

23:25 Okay, got you were there any times where it was? Or how about this? What was the difficulty level of hiking alongside Bluff Creek when you guys went on the return. Extreme because there were rocks and driftwood and we were carrying fifty pound backpacks. Now it was they were trip hazards all over the place. And when we hit when we went from the logging road to the camps to the to the site, we would encounter fallen trees. So we either had to climb over them, and they were enormous trees, either climb over them or crawl under them.

24:11 Either way, the backpacks came off. That really slowed us down. But when we were after the encounter, when we were walking hiking down Luck Creek, there were no fallen trees that we needed to climb over or crawl under, So we would just need to walk very slowly and carefully to avoid tripping. So after you you had this encounter by the film site, what was the first thing you did when you got back to civilization. Well, we were both embarrassed that we had gotten hysterical, and so we didn't talk about that, but we we we talked openly about the fact that we encountered sas quest and a lot of folks gave us the impression that they believed us. And for all I know of, perhaps they were all bluffing or humoring us, or perhaps they actually believed us. But there is so much disbelief when it comes to sas question, and the evidence is utterly overwhelming that Sasquatch do exist, and as the experts estimate that the breeding population is maybe three thousands.

25:43 So these people that you were talking to, were these just people in like maybe the town of Willow Creek, or relatives or what kind of individuals were you? Were you sharing your story? Well, fellow students at our college, Simpson University, in what. In oh oh Boy, Okay, in what state? Well, Simpson University is now in read in California, but when we went there, it was in San Francisco. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. It's very interesting. So I'm trying to put myself in your your creuse mindset, because you know, this only happened a few years after the Patterson Gimlan film footage. So what was it like then? As you continue to grow older, you know, on the one hand, you have Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin and they have this footage. But then you're like, I've also been there, and I've experienced something similar, but yet it's it's a little different because I I don't have the footage. What was that like?

26:59 Well, I actually I've a humililated video from other sources of that spot. So in my in my documentary right share my tale, I'm actually using footage of the area. And as far as my encounter goes, one of the Monster Quests episodes that talk about Sasquatch recreates and encounter a Native American woman had with their husband, and I'd say that my encounter was very much like this.

27:39 Interesting. So there wasn't any was there ever any any regret or you know, I wish if we could have gone back, you know, to that time in that site, we would have done this differently or. Actually, I just regret that I panicked, that I was hysterical, because I'm a very level headed person that does not scariously. But I was utterly terrified and I had the sense of the presence of evil, and I knew that was irrational because I think that sas question, You're just an unknown species of animals, you know, a crypto that science has not yet metitude. But there are so many experts in their field, in that field that say the evidence is overwhelming. I'm thinking of people like a Rover France, but they're not all of course, Shood what's his name from Idaho State.

28:43 Jeff Maltram, Would you ever recommend a group try to do what you guys did back in nineties nineteen seventy where you tried to hike along the creek or in the creek to go up to the film site. Well, yet to know, you've got to be careful. You know, when I see people trying to find sasquatch using electronics things that actually sass quest can tell uh we're being hunted, and they will not let themselves be discovered fast Quatch are not quite herbit, but they want to be left clone and they are incredibly intelligent creatures, and they live in family units and they honor the family. For example, when when Albert husband was abducted by a fast quesch, the sas Quatch took him back to meet the wife and kids.

30:04 Have you ever heard of any other instances where that may have also happened, where you know, an individual was introduced to the to the family. Maybe well, I hear on the internet people claiming that they have conversations with fess, which I'm thinking thats wtch don't have a larynx, and so they are intelligent enough though to have their own speech. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

30:57 But as far as for creating English, sure any other human language, that that is just not possible. So in other words, I cannot think of the man's name recorded sat question speech. But there's a recording and it sounds like a gibberish, but it does instant and you can tell that yes, this is this is a way of communicating yes. So that's really interesting. How how is it then just curious that that we know something like they don't have a larynx if we have never found or you know, captured a natural like type specimen.

31:43 Excellent question. I think that it's got to be the fact that the language that they use it indicates the lack of a larynx. Side and I'm not an expert, but I'm sure that experts that. Listen to it interesting. And I want to to go back a little bit too, you know, talking about going up the side of the creek to the film site. Is there any specific advice that you can give to people if they were wanting to try to go up this route.

32:33 Yes, take horses that will for some reason. Fast question. When they smell horses, they're not afraid of horses. They are they want to be left alone by visible You know, the sas Quatch are different personality. At times, you know, humans are encroaching on their environment and okay the time, I believe when Sasquatch are just so tired of being squeezed out and encroached upon that they might lash out.

33:13 And I'm convinced that our government knows more about them than than they're letting. On it is. It is a very interesting thought to have. But what what would you think? What if the group that was going up there didn't have horses and they were just going on foot. Would they have how much percentage of success might they have if they did not have horses at all? Virtually none? Now what people when people are going out looking for sasquatch with cameras and things and guns, perhaps sasquatch know that they're being attracted and they avoid. But sasquatch are shown to have interest in human children, especially babies.

34:08 When sasquatch looked at a car that's had the flat tire and the driver is changing the tire, sasquatch are intrigued by that. That there was there's a place called Oregon Caves that's just over the north of the state line with Pla, Oregon, And there were people hiking and the man went to I'm sorry, durinate, and he saw he walked far off the trail, and when he was doing his business, he saw a sasquatch watching his wife and child. And he had no sense. He didn't pad it like I did, but he had no sense of fear.

34:58 But he did have a sense that these animals are jintle and curious and deserve their own habitat. Are you talking about the sighting of that doctor Matthew Johnson had in two thousand or is this a different account? Just try and okay, okay, no problem, no problem. Yeah, that's doctor in Alaska, that's doctor Matthew Johnson. Absolutely, yep, okay. I will try to have that b f R report in the show notes so people can can read that for themselves as well, because I was like, yeah, I know exactly what he is referring to. So don you know you've had so many years since that time, did you ever go out again to try to have another sighting or to you know, maybe return to this area.

36:09 No, I'm not in physical shapeout tool and I don't have the financial resources to do that. Sure, yeah, I. Think I'm an I'm an armchair explorer. Yeah, I gotcha. I got youa. But so I guess maybe another way to say is you know, after the next year, you didn't have another spring break and you're like, you know, guys, let's go up to let's go up to Washington State this time, or there were there were no other Bigfoot adventures that were had. No, I I did it electronically, but I've just I watched everything on Sasquesh. I can get ahold of.

36:52 Did you ever have any conversations about this experience with the friends you had there at a later time in life. You guys met after ten years and you were like, you remember that time and at the film site. Yeah, his name was Ken, and we reminisced, and you know, by then our memories are our fear was gone and looking back at it, our embarrassment was gone, and it was just nice to reminisce. Do you have any advice for people that are out there in the wilderness they're trying to have their own interaction with sasquatch? Do you have any advice for them?

37:46 Yes, they are a subspecies of humans. They are not They don't deserve to be killed and put up as a trophy on a wall. And we need to respect them because they their own society and their own culture, and they're extremely intelligent. We need to respect them and lead them alone. Do you think it's worth going to the same area today?

38:28 Do you think there's still potential bigfoot activity in the area of Bluff Creek or Willow Creek. Probably, but there are other areas as well. You know, the most sightings are from as far as I know, Washington State, and British Columbia, Oregon, and less so in northern California. The next place is actually southeast Ohio, northeast Oklahoma, and but as Sasquatch have been seen in every state except Hawaii, every Canadian province and territory. They are all over the place, and in some places they're called brass man or whatever. I'm sorry I'm parking.

39:27 Here, Don. Is this the first time you've shared this account publicly? I think a couple of years ago I shared a fraction of what I've shared with you on another podcast, I don't remember which one. Gontcha. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show to share the whole story, you know, based on what you experienced. You know, some people, some people classify in their minds as it's some kind of undiscovered grade ape or it's some kind of you know, human humanoid that we didn't know is out there. Do you are you able to classify it in either of those two categories or you find it's kind of a league of its own type deal.

40:23 Well, they have analyzed the DNA, they have sequenced the DNA, and a DNA expert has said that this is a subspecies of. Human referring to the doctor Melbketchum study. I think that's her name. Okay, interesting, yeah, yeah, And I think there might be some other information that'll be coming out in future years as well. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out, you know. But don it has been a really interesting conversation with you. It's weird how it's almost like every generation has it. You know, you had your generation in the seventies and there was I don't know if you know this, but there was a group of guys that tried to do this almost same exact thing, hiking up Bluff Creek actually in the water, just a few years ago. They did not make it, though, because hiking in the creek itself is extremely treacherous. But cold and cold, yeah, definitely. But it was quite the adventure that they had and no one got hurt, which I think is number one. And no one got hurt on your trip either, correct.

41:45 Correct, We were just terrified, right right. You've got another kind of thing to deal with. I would say, I don't know if I would recommend doing this listeners, it is it is very treacherous. Anything you hear on the show is pretty dangerous, So keep keep that in mind. But John, did you have any any any closing thoughts or any last thoughts about bigfoot before we we end our time together today. Yes, groups that go out there with traps and nets and video equipment, the more the bigger the group, the less likely they are to run into it. When you put up trail cameras thinking that you're going to spot a bigfoot, younger bigfoot might not. The older bigfoot will recognize the smell of electronics, especially video cameras and which we can't telp because you know, we we've lost most of our senses. But the only time the best groups two or three, especially having kids with you, that will increase your chances. And just pay attention to where the sightings are and and be nice and treat them with respect.

43:22 I'd say that's great advice. Don Thank you so much for coming on the show today. It was a privileged to hear your account of what happened back in the nineteen seventies out there by the Patterson Gimmelin film site. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. It's been a pleasure. Hey, Jeremiah, this is Rory. I left out a couple of things. A couple of things I forgot in our interview that we did the first thing, and I think, you know, some of your listeners might be interested in these couple of things, so I thought i'd send you these add on recordings. The first thing was, I think there was a family of sasquatch that passed my campsite when I was camped down at Bluff Creek, and I think it was ninety five. I was about a few hundred yards north of Bigfoot Creek on the sandbar, just on the west edge of Bluff Creek, and I had a campfire going, and I don't know it was nine ten eleven o'clock at night. It's really dark, and I'm keeping an eye out three hundred and sixty degrees for eyeshine, always looking for eyeshine at night, mountain lion bear and sasquatch.

44:55 So I look at one point towards the hillside, which was to the west, and I see what appears to be three sets of eye shine and they're in line, and they appeared to be, you know, going from my left to right, and the first set of eyes was lower than the second set of eyes. Big So the society will be right back after these messages.

45:47 And the third set of eye shine was appeared to be smaller and you know, slightly above and behind the second set of eye shine. So what it looked like was a female in front of a male, the female being shorter and then the male, and then the male appeared to have a juvenile on its shoulders. Now you know, do I know, there's no way I could know what it was, but it sure did appear that that's exactly what it was. And they proceeded from my left to my right and and went out of sight. And I don't know this lasted a few minutes. I think I watched them as they went by, so they were walking by and keeping an eye on me. Is they were walking by, so their eyes were focused in my direction most of the time, and I could, you know, see them as they moved. So anyway, that's and this area, you know, where I was camped out was, you know, just downhill, about a quarter of a mile from where I had my ninety three campsite encounter. And this is also the area where I found the nest. And you know,

47:20 all of the broken tree tops and twisted trees and bent over trees, you know that. Appear appeared to. Have been going on for a long time, decades, some very fresh and some very old. So anyway, I think it's a pretty good area down there, at least it was, you know back then. Anyway, I'm going to stop this recording and then send you another one. This is Rory again. This is the other thing that I forgot to mention in our interview. This is in regards to a family that wanted to meet up with me, and I think it was in ninety five, and I think they went through Al Hodgson, and Al got a hold of me and said, hey, they want to They want to meet up with you and find out, you know, what you've been finding and where you're finding in where you're finding it.

48:22 And I said okay, and we made arrangements and met at a restaurant and they showed up in a camper, and they struck me as odd right off the bat, and you know, it's hard to say, but it kind of looked like three actors that were put together, and the guy the supposed husband, and you know, maybe they were totally legiti family, but they just struck me as a little bit odd. And the husband definitely looked former military.

49:06 And so anyway, I told him about what I was finding where I was finding it. They wanted to go. They wanted to see it. So we went. And I'm not sure if it was at this point or the next day, but the guy rented a black Volvo because I told him we wouldn't be able to get the camper down to the side of Bluff Creek where I was finding everything. So I thought that was completely strange renting a new black, shiny Volvo to go down the switchbacks, which basically the switchback was somewhere between a jeep trail and a logging road.

49:58 And so. Anyway, we camped out the first night near the top of the switchback I think it was, and we went. I took the guy on a night hike, and you know, I've done a lot of night hikes, you know, up in Bluff Creek ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, and you know, I don't like to turn on any kind of light or anything, and I basically just adjust my night vision and hike, which you know, I wouldn't really recommend that. I don't know if I would do it now looking back, because I did walk up on a bear. It's so close to it. It looked like a big giant ink black spot, and it looked out of place, and then it just took off away from me when I got to within about ten.

51:02 Feet of it. So I don't know if I'd recommend doing that, but anyway, we did it. But he brought a flashlight, and I think this was kind of funny. The flashlight wouldn't stay on for him, which I thought, oh my gosh, that's really this is perfect. He actually got down on his knees and he had to try and get that flashlight gone. He did not want to be without light, and it was actually kind of funny. But anyway, so we did the night hike and then we went back and got some rest for the next day. It was uneventful. And so anyway, we take the Vovo down the switchbacks to the area where I was finding all this stuff I was finding, and I mean, the guy drove like a race car driver in this Volvo, this rental Vovo.

52:02 I mean, it was. I couldn't believe it. It was. It was pretty funny. So anyway, you know, I show him what I had been founding and he's like, yeah, okay, and so then we're done down there. And we head back up and I mean he's driving, like I say, like a a dirt dirt car racer up the switchback, and at one point we could hear the some damage to the rear end, I mean, bouncing up through the ruts and sliding around the turns. This guy had definitely been professionally trained driver.

52:54 So we get we stopped the car, We stopped the black Vova, and we get out and the rear fender is hanging off and it's I think it's you know, mostly plastic, maybe some metal, and he tore off the rest of it, so, you know, while while it was hanging off, he just tore it off and then threw it into the bushes on the side of the switchback. I wouldn't doubt that that fender is still sitting on the side of that switchback, So anybody, if they ever go up there, you might find that. But anyway, I just found it. It was all very odd, and the guy totally struck me as an agent, and they wanted to keep an eye on what was being found where it was being found, you know, who was finding it.

53:53 And he completed his mission. He did that, and now then they left, so I just kind of filed that under you know, possibly the three letter agencies keeping tabs on the research, especially in the Bluff Greek area, since that's always been such a hotspot. Anyway, just thought i'd share. Hopefully some of your listeners will find that a little interesting and maybe keep it in mind if they run into similar situations in their research. Okay, talk to you later, but just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon, McKinsey Bridge area, sweet

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