Bigfoot in the Berkshires! | Massachusetts

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0:54 Oh good? How are you awesome? I'm excited to hear your accounts for a reason that I will share later. Kind of keep keep that in my back pocket for now, but I'm going to go ahead and give the floor to you, and you're welcome to share what has happened to you over these years. Okay. So my uncle, who was basically my father as well, he you know, he. Acted as as both for me. He would take me on probably three to four camping trips every year, and it was what I looked forward. To the most. And one of the places that I really enjoyed going to was up in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. And it's right on the New York Massachusetts state line that you could probably throw a stone and hit.

1:41 New York from where we were. So this this place, I was thinking about it, and I'm not going to mention the name of the site because. I just don't want to step on any toes. For one, I did a little reading on it, and I know what's closed down right now. It's in the process that we can chaining ownership, so I don't know who owns it anymore. So I just don't want to piss anybody off by mentioning it on the internet. But this is the type of place that it had a lake in it, I will say that. And it was one of those. Lakes that like you see on a screen saver crystal clear and had stones on the bottom. It was just, you know, the most relaxing place you can imagine.

2:22 But we also went up there to go off roading, you know, ATVs all that other stuff, durt biking, not at the campsite we actually went. I'm not sure if I remember the name of the mountain that we went to, but it was probably a forty minute drive because of all the hills in terms of you had to take. I think it was called Barre Mountain. I'm not sure if I have that right, but I think that it was. So this trip, it was not like the others the previous trips. I was just getting with excitement, ready to go, couldn't wait till he picked me up that Friday, and it was always on Memorial Day weekend. This was it was like did you ever go somewhere or plan something? And from the Star everything was just flu bar Well, this was that he got stuck in traffic on the way to come pick me up. We ended up being two hours late, and then we were trying to rush up there because that night storms were supposed to roll in, so on top of that we got stuck in traffic going up there, and everything was just messed up from the start. So luckily we got up there was just enough time that you could see off in the distance from where the campsite was.

3:27 The storms come and just lightning. And everything, and we were trying to set up our tents best as possible so that we wouldn't get, you know, bringing down while we were trying to do it. So this place, when you pull in, it's a whole bunch of winding turns and campsites that are set up, and then you can go up. There's one road and it follows you to the parking field, and the parking pillage is a big open space, and then beyond that it's just all dense woods. So it was pitch black by the time we got there, and we pulled into the parking space in the parking field, and I remember getting out of the car because my uncle had his high beams on.

4:10 He had a Cadillac Escalade that he was driving. And I remember. Getting out of the car and looking because I was always a little uneasy about dense woods at night. I don't know why, it's just how I been since I was a kid, but I remember looking over there and that's when I noticed the eye shine, and I didn't know a whole lot about nature and eyeshine and stuff like that at the time. You know, I saw wildlife during the day, but never really at night. So I pointed, you know, I called over to my uncle and I said, look at that. You know, I says that like deer or something like that. And I remember his face just turned concerned right off the bat, and that bothered me because my uncle he was the type of person he was not scared of anything. He was he was out of his minday, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. There was not much this men were scared of.

5:09 So when I saw a concern look on his face, that made me really nervous from the start. And he kind of just brushed it off, and he was like, you know, just don't pay attention to that. Just get the tent up. You know, we're about to get rained on. So we did that, and thinkfully, he had the sense enough about him that night that he took a blue tar and you know the little holes that come in the tarp, little metal rings. He tied it up to the part of the tent where the poles come. Out from underneath the tent because we couldn't get a great view of where we were that night, and we were worried that wherever we were. There was a chance that rain was going to come under the tent. And thank god he did that because that night I woke up probably one am from the thunder and there was a river running under the tent. So we survived that night, thankfully, and I just had this feeling that.

6:00 There was just something off. I couldn't shake it when the Tommy woke up that morning and we left to go to Bear Mountain to go ATVing, and it wasn't just us, it was his friend had a camper that was just probably a few sites up from. Us, up on a hill, and it was usually a big group of us that went together. We were all. Spread out all over the campsite, so it was just us kind of alone near the parking field, and I think that's probably why I felt the way that I did, because we were so close to what we had seen that night, so. We kind of just forgot about it. When off roading that day had a blast, and I remember we were parking the field, we had the trailers unloaded, and it was about probably two hours before we were set to leave, we heard people screaming, just bloody murder, screaming, Now there's bears up there, so we thought that that was it. These people in there ATV came pulling ass out the trail and they just like maniacs, went to their car, which was just a few cars down from where we were parked, and started loading everything up as quick as we could, and my uncle went up to them to try to say, is there a bear back there?

7:14 They wouldn't even these people wouldn't even acknowledge him. They it was like he didn't exist. He was trying to get their attention to see, like, you know, what's going on, you know, is there something we need to be worried about. They didn't acknowledge him the whole time. They packed up as best as they could and sped out of there. We should have known after that that we should have just left and went home, because after that it just gave off on top of the night before that, it just gave off bad jushu that something was not right. So that kind of killed the mood after that because everybody was really concerned about what was going on, and we figured, you know what, let's just take the lofts. We're going to come back tomorrow anyway, packed the stuff up and we'll go back to the campsite to eat. So we got back to the campsite and it was just about dusk, and my uncle, wherever we went camping, he bought this huge, old school white able was cooler.

8:06 With it, and you know, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. They had the double doors on it, and. That's where we had all food, the fruit, everything, it was all stored in there. And I guess we were so tired that night that we made the mistake of not putting the cooler in the truck in the escalator. So that's probably what set this whole thing in motion. So I was exhausted and everybody else was too. So we went to bed, and I till this day, I cannot figure out what woke me up that night, but. I remember waking up. I'm not one hundred percent sure what time it was because this was before the age of cell phones. I didn't have a cell phone or anything like. It was two thousand and five, so it was, you know, just entering that error. But I was fifteen. I didn't have a cell phone with me, you know it is kids didn't have cell phones then, it's not like today. And I remember waking up and I just had this terrible feeling like something was wrong. And I turned to my right, which is where my uncle was sleeping, off to the side of me, and I noticed he was already up and the tent that we had, because you know, the mountains in Massachusetts during that time of year, you get that cool breeze blown at night. You want the top off.

9:22 It blows right on your face, keeps you nice and comfortable at night. But there was you know, see you through mesh that it wasn't a big tent, so if you sat up, you could see through to the outside. And I remember seeing his face and he was ghost white and he was staring at something, and I nudged him to ask him, you know, what was going on, because I've never seen a look of concern on this man's face like that before, and I automatically knew something was really wrong. And then I turned my head to see what he was looking at it and that's when I saw two of them, and I let out a gasp because I was not prepared for what I had just looked at. And they were massive. So my uncle's escalade, I remember the one, its waste was up to the window on the driver's side. So this thing was towering over the escalade like it could probably see over the escalad no problem, like fit a clear view.

10:31 And the other. One was staring at my uncle and it did not look happy, and I gasped, and it was just involuntary. I had no way to control it. And that's when it turned its attention to me. And the crazy thing was, once it did that, its whole demeanor changed. It went from looking pissed off and angry to. Gentle. I guess that's the best way I could put it. And that's what was the craziest part about it. It was, you know, when I was I've always had the type of a baby face when I was younger, so it must have realized I was just.

11:14 A kid at the time. And I don't know if that's what it was, but that's how I reasoned it, that it realized he had a kid with him, and it like not, you know, it turned it down. It didn't want to scare me. And I remember when I first looked at it, my stomach turned like my nerves were just all bunched up, and it was almost like I was gonna throw up because I was just so scared. I was trembling, and it was like I just I didn't know what was happening. It was like being in a horror movie where you just couldn't I didn't know anything about this stuff. Then, you know, I grew up in the suburbs of Long Island.

11:54 Nobody talks about that stuff there, So it was like my brain was just trying to process what I was looking at, and when I couldn't find an answer, I was starting to freak out. And the other crazy part was once it's demeanor change, there was this calmness that rushed over me. And I don't know what caused it, because I went from freaking out, almost having a panic attack, to this warm, relaxed feeling. And once that happened, my uncle finally snapped out of the trance he was in and once he saw me looking at it, he pulled me back and just kind of shoved my face into the sleeping leg and he.

12:39 I remember him saying, don't move, and that's when I heard it speak. It was just one word and I will remember it. It seared into my brain and it said Enoch, at least that's how I remember it, Enoch, And I don't know if it was talking to the other one or what. But right after that I heard some commotion and these things tore us out of our camp, and I don't know why I got up to look again, but I did. These things covered three hundred yards in probably four seconds. And the crazy thing was it took our cooler with them, because I guess it must have been the one side of the cooler had a hinge that was broken the clamp, so it never stayed close, so I guess it looked in there so all the goodies that we had, and it was like, well, I'm not this is coming with us, whether you like it or not. And I remember as it ran into the woods, it sounded like.

13:44 A bulldozer was going through those woods. And what creeped me out even more as it went into the woods, there were three more sets of eyeshine that came over as soon as these things entered the woods. I don't know if it was like they were watching out for them or what. So there was five wall together and just the fact that I knew that there was five of these things out there. I was freaking out, and I remember after it left, that calmness feeling just left, and I was back into panic mode, and I was begging my uncle to just please leave, And that was the first time I normally he's like, I just suck it up. You know it's gonna be okay. Don't be scared, he said, if we didn't even take the ten He got us all in the car and drove us up to the trailer that his friend was staying at, and I remember he was.

14:36 He was in a complete panic. He was knocking on the door, and you know, that's when they knew something was wrong, because for my uncle will people to be knocking on your door at whatever time it was in a panic. Something is wrong. So thankfully they were nice enough to let us stay there that night, but we left the next morning very early. My uncle didn't want anything to do with it, and that was the last. Time we ever went there. He never wanted to go back to that place after. And this was probably one of his favorite spots aside from Kinnatinny, that he enjoyed going to, and. He wouldn't talk about it with me the whole ride home. Big for Society, who will be right back. After these messages, he didn't want to speak of it.

15:34 It was like he just wanted to forget it. And I remember his escalade had a sunroof, and he pulled the sunroof back as we were driving down the mountain in the shade, and I was looking at it as the sunroof was opening, and before the glass opened. Once the shade pulled back, there was a perfect handprint on the glass and it was so big it was pretty much overlapping the sun roof. That's how big this print was. So after that, he refused to talk about it with me, and I had so many questions because I wanted to know what happened that night, because I still have nightmares about it till this day.

16:19 I'm not ashamed to admit that there's still times I go to bed and it's like I'm back in that place, or it's some type of similar scenario and I'll wake up in a cold sweat because it freaks me out. And unfortunately he's passed away now. But even when I knew he was coming to the end, I figured I want to give this one more shot to talk about it with him. He wouldn't do it. Even when he was on his deathbed, he wanted nothing to do with that night. Ever, again, he refused to talk about it. He was the type that. Didn't like anything he couldn't rationally explain. He was very devoted Catholic, and if it couldn't be explained by God or some other reasonable scientific explanation, he didn't want anything to do with it. And he would get angry at me because there were times over the years I begged him to just talk about it with me so we could see you if you both saw the same thing, you know, did we really both see this? Did that really happen? And he would he would get angry and he would just don't. I don't want to talk about it, and that was the end of it. So it kind of bugs me that we never really had a serious conversation about it till this day, you know, and that'll never happen. But yeah, that night was that was something.

17:30 It was bizarre, It really really was. You know. You go from I think in the world is one way one minute, having that all shattered in just a few moments that messages you up pretty good. It really really does. And I don't talk about it with most people anyway, because I know how people are about it, and I just I don't want to. I don't have the patience for it. You know. The way I'm thinking is, you know, if you want to be ignorant and. Just refuse to believe that these things are out there, that's I'm not going to sit there and beg you to believe it. I know what I saw. You know, it's scary that these things are out there and we're being looked at as the crazy ones.

18:10 There's something really wrong with that. Just we should so impress it. How big they were. That's what really got me, how massive these things were. I'm sorry for the the cursed words. I grew up an Italian family, so. It's it's a second language to me. But yeah, that was That was a hat, that's. For sure, TJ. That's that's wild. That's I mean. First off, I'm sorry you lost your uncle. Oh, thank you. First really it was I appreciate that. So just the one left detail that I want to forget to tell you. Definitely after we left, about a week later, we got a call from the person that ran the campsite saying that our core was found in the parking field and the doors were ripped off the hinges, and they you know, they called my uncle and they were yelling at him, why.

19:06 Did you do that? And leave? You're cool there? And he's you know, he tried. I don't know what exactly he told them, but I don't know if he said a bear about into it or something like that. It was something along those lines, because he didn't even want to tell those people what he saw. And I think he was more pissed because I think he knew that the people that run that campsite knew these things are there. Just when I go back and look at it. This is not the first time they've done that. This is not the first time those things have gone into somebody's camp and took something. Well, the first time they had an interaction with people at that campsite, they were way too calm about it, you know, even though like I said, they had that one had a grimacing face, just that around and find out face when he was looking at my uncle.

19:49 You could tell it. It was just like posturing and like, just let me do what I'm gonna do when I'm gonna leave, you know. But the other scary thing was, you know, when you look back and realize it. Just those two things alone could have tore us through that entire campsite and nobody would have been able to do. Anything about it. They could have done anything they wanted to those campsites or anybody that was there that night, and nobody wouldn't been able. To stop them. Just the size of them and the muscular the muscles they had on them, I don't think anybody could have done anything, and by the time somebody called for help, it would have been too late. And I think that's what scared me the most. How powerless, you know, I felt in that situation. I had no control over it.

20:32 And I'm the type of person that doesn't like that I have to be in control of certain things or I just I'm not cool with it. And knowing I was just completely powerless to everything that was happening that night is what really I think pushed it over for me for me camping wise, and I don't enjoy it the same way that I used to, or if I do go camping, I know it's going to be in a really well populated area where you know, it's not super dense wards or anything like that, because I just I can't enjoy it anymore. And it sucks that it's like that, but it's just. That every time, like I get into it, you know, a dense area like that that's feeling just replays on my head of how I felt with that, the pure terror that was flowing through me that night, and I just can't do it.

21:20 I can't deal with it. But yeah, sorry, I just wanted to. Add that in before I forgot my ad adhd bring skips over details. It's hard. I totally get that. I'm right there with you. Wow, that is an extremely intense encounter. Thank you for sharing that. It sounds like you haven't really shared it to many people at. All, and like I said, it's because I just don't want to deal what They're really cool, you know, because it's something I take seriously because it did affect me in a very physical way, not just emotionally, you know, it affected me in a physical way. So it's.

22:01 She even talk to anybody that's just going to sit there and laugh at you, it's I'll snap because I know how I felt that night and I'm not going to deal with somebody making fun of it, you know, if I know somebody really wants to hear. It, I will tell it, but to just some random person. Now. That's why I was comfortable to come on here, because I listened to your episodes and I saw how serious you take this. You know, I know this is the hobby for you. No, this is it, man, dude, this is it for I'm not even kidding for the next thirty years at least. This is it. Like, I take it extremely seriously. So is that okay? If I ask you a few questions about as from that night, it sounds like you've you got a pretty good look at the two creatures. Do you remember any details about how the face looked. I know you've said that you saw emotions, but do you remember anything any other details?

22:57 Yeah? So the one the one thing was why I was able to make them out so clearly was because our campfire was still going just enough that it was shining light on them. And the creepiest part was the one that was standing on the opposite side of the fire. I could see its hair, which it had like it was almost like a reddish brown, but the fire was causing it to also have eyes shine at the same time. So this thing was no more than ten yards away from me. But it was staring at me with its eyes glowing, and that's probably what set me off to just go into panic motor because it was just so. Not normal. The way it was, you know, it was like a staring a hole for my soul type of thing, right.

23:41 And then the other one that was off to the snide by my uncle's truck, it was also the same. It had reddish brown hair, and that was the bigger one. I think that one, if I'm looking back at it in my head, that one probably had a foot and a half on the other one maybe a little more. I couldn't tell the eye color on that one because of how dark it was, and it was far enough from the fire that it I guess the angle it was that it wasn't catching that eye shine. I don't know if it has. The light has to hit the eyes a certain way for that to happen. But I remember you could see this part of the face here, and everything else was just hair like it had a super long beard, and then the long hair that kind of went back of its head. It was kind of matted, but it was also it seemed like it was well kept.

24:35 It looked on some places like sleek like it was being brushed, almost like they take care of themselves. The hands were massive, and that I could tell that even before we found that handprint on the window of the sun roof. I mean, it could probably put its. Toll hand around my head and squish it no problems, especially then when I was fifteen. Also, the arms were insanely long. I remember that, like abnormally long compared to us. I couldn't tell where they how far they went down. But because they were kind of like this, their arms weren't down at their sides, they were up in the air, So I don't know, you know, I know a lot of people say they go below the knees. I would have to say they probably definitely did, but I can't say it for sure, because like I said that, they weren't hanging down. They weren't like.

25:30 Just staying there. You could tell they were investigating our campsite. They were trying to figure out what. They could take from us. At least that's what I think they were doing, especially since they just took the whole cooler and ran off. And the other thing that I know that the arms were insanely long, because this thing picked up an insanely large. It grew cooler like it was carrying a baby. And ran off with ease. So the muscle and it was packed with ice. I mean, it was only that for a night, and those things held ice for days. So the fact that this thing picked it up one hand and just kind of punched it over on its side like it was it was nothing and ran off was just it was nuts when you know, when I go back and think about it, just knowing how much weight that probably had. That me and my uncle, two people were having trouble lifting that thing, and this thing picked.

26:24 It up like a baby. That's that's scary. That's a that's a scary level of strength right there. The one thing I don't remember is the feet. Okay, I don't remember looking down there. I was so focused on the face and the body that I just didn't look down there. I would have to say they were male. That I would have to say, I didn't notice any female features on them. They were definitely, you know, broad chested for sure. You know, you tell them a lot of muscle up here, and that was I mean, the hair on it was really thick. So the fact you could see the muscle under the hair was really.

27:08 Impressive, did you, I know you already kind of talked about how how they were in you know how looking at the escalade and how one of them looked next to it. If you had to estimate like how tall each of them were, would you be able to estimate the height of them? The big one had to be easily over ten feet over because I know the top of the escalade I think it was about six feet maybe six two if I'm remembering right, and this thing towered over it. I mean it was just it was almost comical how much bigger this thing was that and it escalates that small car truck.

27:55 I mean it's big. So the fact this thing just towered over it, and like I said, its hip was at the glass like the window of of the passenger side. So that should give you an idea of how mass of this thing was because me standing at the I'm five eleven, so me standing at the passenger side of an escalade. Probably goes up to hear on the least. So the fact that that was its waist, I mean, yeah, I can't give you an accurate number, but just a guesstimate, it had to be over ten feet.

28:35 Were you able to notice. Did you notice anything about the mouth, like, could you see teeth anything like that? Yes, I could see teeth from the first one because it was almost like a smile when it was looking at my uncle. But it wasn't a smile. It was like a I don't know what a I have a husky. So if my husky goes after prey, you know how its lip comes up, you know, and dog and it shows its teeth. That's that's what it looked like it was doing. So I couldn't see the color, but I could see teeth. That that was plain in this day.

29:18 The lips, I don't know. I don't know the color works were I really don't it was you know, it's a weird combination of being a blur and steered into my mind at the same time, if that makes sense. Absolutely, Yeah, seeing that the teeth on one of the creatures, were able to see the shape of the teeth. Were it all our teeth? That was the first thing. I know. Our teeth really just much bigger, okay. And so that being that, like how they were rounded.

30:02 Yeah, no, I mean it's it's Joel. It looked like they go like that. It didn't look like they flat or anything like that. It looked like they curved to the side, almost. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Oh wow, you were able to see the eyes correct? Yes? Did you notice anything about the pupils? So the one I couldn't see it's pupils because like I said, it was given off that eyes shy and glow right. The other one they just looked black. Now, I don't know if that was because it was dark, but I didn't notice really any white in them. It just looked black like it was like staring into a hole.

30:59 Almost the nose of the creatures. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary about the nose, like how it was shaped more like a gorilla, more like a human. It looked more like you know how we have like a ridge here. Theres looked more like it went down like this didn't stick out as much, went like that type. Of thing flat flattened. Yeah. Yeah, the bridge of the nose didn't look like it was there. Wow. What about the forehead above the eyes? That area, how would you describe that?

31:40 That was just skin? Okay, there was no hair that I could notice, and I didn't notice that the one when it was like snarling at my uncle. You could see the wrinkles in its forehead and they were so prominent. It looked like it had like almost extra skin there, like when it did that, clearly see the bumps from it from. It doing that. Gotcha. You were able to see hair on the creatures. It sounded like how long would you estimate that the hair was? I could compare it to my husky Okay, it was like husky length hair almost, so. A few inches yeah, yeah, okay. You mentioned that there was almost like kind of a mane of hair or were you able to see a shape to the head through that?

32:32 I didn't notice that. It didn't go like you know, our heads are like rounded, right, It looked like before it went back, okay, trying to stick What to compare that to? I don't know. It just looked like elongated almost. It almost looked like it was elongated at the top, like there was extra like their skulls weren't round the top. Was this thing? Was this your first introduction to anything with bigfoot? Yes? Okay, because so this is where it's interesting because any other person that I asked that question, they would have been like this, But the fact that you have to like think of how to describe that man. That is very yeah. Wow, so this is your first this incident is your first foray into big Foot. It's not like you're watching the documentaries and in search of like this.

33:31 Is not you WI on the suburb of Long Island. My life, Yeah, man, trying to like other people do. I was always outdoors, you know that, That's what. That's where I lived with my friends. We were on our bikes, you know, causing some type of mischief. We're playing video games or I didn't even know it was a thing, that's really why. So the mythology that I knew before this was I don't know if you've ever heard of snipe. Yeah, it's not real. It's absolutely doubles made up around the campfire, and it's scare kids. And when we would go on these camping trips, like I said, there's always a big group of us.

34:12 At night. They used to take the kids snipe hunting, and the adults would hide in the forest and they would jump out and scare us. That's the most I knew about anything. Wow, that was it. This is very, very wild. The way that the creature looked to you is just something that you would more see in like a zoo type setting, or like you would almost see Like you could be walking in the city and you might see a person that looks kind of similar to how they looked. There were features about it that are definitely human. But if you saw on one of these things walking in the city, you're gonna know.

34:54 Okay, it was that different. I guess unevolved. It's the best way. It's like almost human, but not modern human. Okay, yep. I wouldn't say cave man, but I guess somewhere in between that. Were there anything anything you noticed about the creatures that reminded you of different apes or monkeys that you would see in the zoo. I'm going to get flak for that question, but I'm just going to ask it. No, Now, this thing didn't look like that. I mean, I guess there were some similarities, but.

35:36 No, No, I would never go to a zoo and think a gobrilla look like a big foot or a chimp. It's no, or like an orangutan. I'm not. I'm not going to sit here and say that they all look the same. You know, I don't who knows that? No? But no, I wouldn't mistaken a gorilla or a chimp for it. It sounds like you saw them move a bit. Was there anything about the way that they moved that was weird, like the way that they were running or walking, anything out of the ordinary about their gait? From what I saw, it was I hope this is the right word, methodic.

36:23 Every movement looked like it was for a reason. And the other crazy thing that I noticed was when they ran off, I didn't hear a thing, and you would think something that big until they got to the forest. That's when I heard them crashing through trees. Before that, when they were running through the field, I didn't hear anything. It was almost like they were running in silent mode. And that I couldn't explain that because well, like I said, as big as these things. Were, if they were running, you would think you would hear it. And it was like. Almost somehow they were running in a way that they weren't making sound, which really creeped me out when I thought about it. You know that the longer time goes on, you start thinking about stuff and you start analyzing things a little differently. And the more I put the details together, the more it creeps me out because the fact one of these things could want and not make a noise.

37:27 I mean, you could be in the middle of the forest, one of these things will sneak up on you know it's there. Yeah, and the fact something that big can do that is crazy. It is wild. So you having no introduction to bigfoot before this, did you have anything in your mind then that told you, Okay, what am I looking at right now? Or you were just you had no idea what you were looking at. I didn't know. I had not a clue. To me, it was like a monster. That was how my was reasoning it at the moment. It was like a real life monster. It was like something out of a Stephen King Nobles Stephen King novel had come to life.

38:09 You've already mentioned that you do have nightmares about this, and so that was I'm going to guess, I mean, what's been going on for like twenty years? Yeah, it's been a while, Okay. Is it just a replaying of the events. Usually when you have those. Sometimes I am back in that scenario. Other times it's something completely different. But I am in the woods and I know something is coming, and I could hear it, and I know what it is, and I'm panicking the whole dream and then it's almost like, right before I see it, I wake up.

38:50 Do they ever talk to in the dreams or anything like that? Every once in a while, I'll hear that one word. That I mentioned to you, the word of Koch, yeah, or something like that. It was the fact that it talked was just weird because of how deep it was. It wasn't like me and you talking right now, right, so it had so much basse in its voice. Have you ever looked into what that word might mean? No, I don't. I'm not even sure it's a real, real word.

39:31 It is. I can tell you it's a real word, religious word. The Book of Enoch has to do with it's one of the books that weren't put into the canon of the Bible, and it has to do with things like the Nephilum, which is like, you know, the giants you may have heard of, and some people think that those are related to Bigfoot. But it's it's very very interesting that that's excuse me, the one word that they said. It's going to take me a while to process that. For sure. I'm very familiar with that area since my grandparents lived in Great Bearrington, so I spent it is beautiful area. I was not in to bigfoot at the time because I was a little kid, but I'm very familiar with the Great Bearrington area. My father grew up there. Western Massachusetts is extremely wild, and I have no doubt in my mind that there are bigfoot in western Massachusetts, especially around that area. I'm pretty sure I'm aware of which that Bear Mountain area. There's a few different places it might be, but man, I was just just imagining the woods out there. You know that the phrase is that there will be dragons out in western Massachusetts because it is wild out there. You know,

41:01 Massachusetts is not just Boston. It is you get out. That's kind of place you want to be at at night with no flash. I remember that one of the first times I ventured up that far as a kid, That's when I found out what true darkness was. Absolutely absolutely And you know, we went hiking in an area. We went camping out in this meadow and we were just camping in the middle of this meadow and one night we had a pack of coyotes just like run through the middle of the field, jump over people sleeping bags, like it's a wild place out there. Have you ever done any research to see if there are any other incidents that happened in that same area Bigfoot related?

41:44 I've browsed. The problem is I couldn't figure out how to use some of the maps. There's one and I stumbled the course that was like white or. Something like that. But I think those settings were only limited to like the middle like Texas. Yeah, they're going to be more Oklahoma and Texas. Yep. I come across a couple of years ago this one map that gave so many sightings. I can't find it again, but it had a lot in the northeast area, and I remember trying to look one night and it was like really fidgety, so it crashed a lot and I had kind of given up on it, and then I went to find it again. It was gone. But it looked like you know that one pitchure floating around that shows the sightings and it's like the whole United States. Yeah, it looked like in the aspect of the markers that they used the little Bigfoot. That's what it exactly looked like on that map that I pulled up that night, except it was virtual and you consuming places and see the reports.

42:45 One you could look up that would be really similar to that, and that's really good is if you've got a bigfootmap dot com. It's Bigfoot Mapping project and it takes data from all different parts of places, and it's that would give view the info that you'd be looking for. For sure. I'm not going to lie for a while. I'm too scared to look. Yeah, no, I bet. I mean when you bring these feelings back out in yourself and it's hard to deal with it, really is. I don't, like I said, I'm not the type of person likes feeling that way. So and never it feels like you've never been drawn to go back to that place. Ever, it's that's a never go back there of me.

43:28 Wants to the common sense start of me not so much. Yeah, I mean, you just wait until you find out where I live here. In a minute, you have heard of a yuori? You live in North Carolina? Oh, sorry's okay. You live in the you Are National Forest. Ten minutes above it. Holy mackerel, dude, O my goodness, oh my goodness, did you know about it when you moved there. After we moved here? Holy mackerel, you moved right into the middle of the fire. Like. One of the craziest areas for Bigfoot sightings North Carolina is nuts in that area.

44:09 Oh my god, the Devil's tramping grounds. No, you go look that up after we get off this. Okay, you're gonna you're gonna have your mind blown. Really yeah, I will definitely let me make a note of that real quick. But you ever are out this way, there's a because the name of the road, but the rust stop is called El Dorado, yep, And it's right in the middle of you are a national forest and the entire store is dedicated to Bigfoot exactly. Yeah. I've talked to a few at least one person that lives in the middle of that forest, and they were, I mean, their house was being just attacked by some creature, which they feel is bigfoot is because they were pretty much doing land landscaping on their proper. But so you live a few minutes away from there, that's wild. Have you ever gone to the forest, done any hiking in there?

45:07 Not yet? Okay, Yeah, it's going to take some courage to must throw up for that one. But I mean I can't say that the whole area you know, write it off because they have off road trails there, they have really nice cabins for camping, and then there's bed and lake that you could just go pull your RV right up. Next to it. Big for Society, who will be right back after these messages, m I. Mean, I would be stupid to not use that just because you know what happened.

45:50 And you know, I got two kids now that are going to want to experience all that stuff. You know, I'm not going to keep them inside and not let me go experience nature because something happened to me. You know exactly. Yeah, that's not the only thing that you've had happened to you, Big for related. Yeah, So that was last year, before the birth of my second son. We went out to Tennessee to stay up in the mountains to go see Dolly World. And you know, that whole area down there is just a tourist trap. So you know, my wife couldn't do much because she was two months away from give them birth.

46:34 So we found this nice cabin in the woods, the one that I had sent you. And. I remember when we got there that night, I had that feeling again and it was I chrucked it up to this is just the first time I've been in that remote of an area in a very long time. So it was my nerves playing with me. Now this one isn't as isn't as exciting as the previous one. More it's scary. But I remember my father in law went out to smoke his cigar that night and he came in and he said he saw something staring at him from the woods. And what a matter of. Fact, it was like, you got to be fitting me, you know, please don't tell me that that's happening again.

47:17 So I just didn't want to I didn't want to know. I didn't want to know. So I went to bed that night with my wife, my kid. I was just you know, focused on, you know, having a smooth night because it was our first night there at two am. So the way this house was set up was it was like three stories. We were the bottom bedroom on the bottom floor of the house, which is pretty much even with the mountain, and there's this deck that comes out, but after the deck there's probably like a twenty foot drop that goes off, and then there's another level that had a hot tub and a swing that was a Western style horse, and then there was another story on top of that.

48:05 At two am, I heard the most terrifying roar ever. That it woke me out of a dead sleep, and followed by that it felt like somebody pulled the side of. The house off. Shortly after that, it sounded like something was thrown through the woods. So my father and Lloyd being he's next marine, so he's something is going on. He's going to go investigate it. Something ripped the swing and these were still change that were bolted into the beams of the house.

48:48 Something ripped the horse saddle off the house and threw it about eighty yards into the woods. And I knew the sound once it it yelled or whatever they did, I knew the sound and I knew what it was. And I probably sat there in bed for about ten minutes, just unable to move because I knew what was happening. And then I heard a whole bunch of promotion upstairs, and my stepdad was screaming, and my stepdad, my father in law, was screaming, and I knew what was going on, and I felt bad because I just went into that pann next state. But my wife was trying to figure out what was happening.

49:31 And I couldn't even. Answer her, and then my kid was crying because it will come up and I'm not kidding it. It sound like sat because decided the house would pulled off. And I don't know what set it off. I don't know what set it off. I guess we just pissed it off somehow. But you know, this was near B and B, so we had a lot to know what happened because they were going to come back the next thing to. Be like, what the what'd you guys? Do you know? So my father in law told him to tell him something happened. Something came and ripped a horse thing off, And this guy was way too cool about it, way too cool about it. Didn't blame us for it, didn't say oh, well, you're gonna have to pay for that.

50:13 He just said I'm sorry that happened. And that was the end of the conversation. That was it. That was it. Thankfully, nothing else happened the rest of the trip. But I don't know why it picked our cabin that night. I don't know what set it off, but something pissed it off so bad that it ripped that thing out like it was a toy, and they found it. I mean they found the chains and it like wrapped up all around the saddle and it was probably about eighty artist too. It wasn't liked it was not like anything that could throw that thing that far. That's it's it's terrifying. It really is just just the raw strength that these things have scares me. And I think that's what what scares me A happened the most, is that if you ever come up against one that's pissed off like.

51:01 That, what are you gonna do? You ain't gonna be quick enough to do whatever you need to do. If it's close enough to you, You're done. That's game over right there. And I think that's what scares me the most, you know, and that's something could have you that powerless. And was that around like the Seaverville Pigeon Forage area, Yeah, Severvilleville. Really I knew it, dude, yep, because because I've had another report similar setup Airbnb log cabin type deal. I just I just had a feeling, dude, Wow. That is the crazy thing is that he's like he's pretty much like, oh happened again.

52:02 Yeah, that was basically it. That was basically it. That's that's the gist that I got from, you know, my father, and I'll called him expecting to be yelled at, and he was gonna. Have to argue with him that he didn't do it. And this guy was just like a. Sh I'll tell you what. That area of Tennessee some wild stuff that goes on in that area and more than more than bigfoot too. They call them the ridgewalkers mm hmm. And I mean that that's pretty much what they're doing. I mean, there's no flat land over there. It's a disaster. I mean, living up there, he you know, it's I don't know how people do it. I mean it's beautiful, don't get me wrong, but I prefer flat land.

52:51 Yeah, it should come out to Iowa. It's pretty flat out here. Yeah. Oh that's wild tj MA. Dude, you have gone to some wild, wild stuff and like you know, I'm not gonna lie to you. Like being in North Carolina, there's a chance, you know, there could be other stuff that happens too. But I mean it sounds like you kind of you got to handle on it. You know, it's it's not gonna this isn't going to ruin your life, you know. No, no, I mean.

53:32 I've I've been through quite a bit aside from that, So it's you know, you can't look in truly the funny one have, you know, Like short as it is, it's more just less. This is me off that I don't know what's out there just from the reading that I've done over the years. They don't these things are out there. I'm not telling anybody, the government, you. Know, whoever it is that's in charge of these decisions, right, I mean, I don't buy the whole wall. If we tell them, then people are going to stop going to parks, Like really, yeah, this is America. You really think people are just gonna stop because they know there's something crazy in the woods. They go to Yellowstone knowing that a grizzly bear could walk by and eat their face off. Absolutely, if that's not stopping anybody, I doubt something like that is going to prevent anybody from going out and enjoying nature, you know, although.

54:26 It sometimes does. But that's for the unlucky schmucks like me that have to have a face to face and count with them. Man, that's wild. Yeah, And. I don't know, you know, I try and rationalize why it happened, but there there's no rationale. There's just wrong place, wrong time. That's really what it comes down to, at least I think, you know, I've read a lot of opinions that they choose to reveal themselves too. I don't know if that's true. You know, I am a nature person. I don't hunt or anything like that, not that I'm against it. You know, if you're hunting for food and stuff like that, then you're doing the right thing, right, But that's not me. I've never been able to do it.

55:10 I just don't have the heart for it, you know. So I don't know. Maybe it's that is true. Maybe they since the calm demeanor and people that who is who isn't safe. I believe I believe you probably are onto something there. That's something I've been thinking through and I yeah, it's that's a whole different discussion for sure, but I think you might be onto something there. TJ. I want to say thank you for discussing, for talking about this with me. You know, I've tried for years to growing up in Massachusetts like I get it because one New England people New Englanders don't don't active if they don't know you and especially about weird stuff. I get that because that's where I grew up in western Massachusetts. So but I've been trying for years to talk to someone and you're one of the only people that have reached out. So thank you for being so open to share what you shared in that area problem and it has been it's been fun talking to you about it's been on, it's been on lightening talking to you. I should say that instead, thank you for sharing that whole area Tennessee is is weird as well. I think there's more to come out of that from other listeners, but we did talk earlier

56:42 that you're up for. There's a new thing that I'm trying for the Patreon and the YouTube channel members trying to come up with a name for. I think maybe Strange Days. But pretty much, we have a conversation about weird stuff that you may have experienced that's not Bigfoot related, and I've done it a few times. It's led to some really interesting conversations. So if you want to check that out, you can become a Patreon. The links will be at the description. But yeah, I think we're going to have a chat. I got a few questions to ask you about that, but I just want to say thank you so much for coming on tj oh. No problem man anytime. I appreciate you having me.

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