"Bigfoot is a Giant and it lives in Michigan"

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society the privilege of talking to mister James Lady tonight. He is from the great state of Michigan and he is a student of things Bigfoot related. He likes getting out in the woods and just figuring things out. How's it going tonight, James, It's going well. Thank you, Jeremiads. It's pleasure to meet you, and I appreciate this opportunity to speak to you and you you're growing audience. I watched your channel grow over the past months, and that's quite impressive. So I consider this my privilege. So thank you for having me on. Absolutely it's it's been a it's been a fun journey and a weird one, but man, the stories and things I'm able to get out are very cool and that's why I put the hard work in. But

1:34 let's let's start out with this, James, So what part of Michigan are you from or that you're comfortable sharing with maybe for a little context for the listening. I live in a town called gross Point. We're at the mouth of the Detroit River, the Great Fishery, which is great for me because I love to fish in anytime through the ice or with a Timy size twenty two fly. I don't know, but I just love is in a full spectrum of fishing. So I live in Michigan, which is surrounded by water and all sorts of life. I live in gross Point, which is just east of Detroit. A lot of brick and mortar around us, and it kind of drives me crazy sometimes, so I have to go and go to the woods sometimes and exercise my boyhood dreams of adventure, and that's exactly what I'm doing these days, and I never really saw it coming. This whole big Foot journey has been very organic. I was naturally curious as a boy and thought, if they did exist, I want to see one. And I was going up north anyway to fish in a valley on the same parallel where my father took us up to camp and you know, up to a cabin vacation every other every year for a couple of weeks. So anyway, I fell in love with the area. Eventually moved up here from southern Ohio and learned that, you know, just by planning a trip to the Boundary Waters camp and fishing canoeing trip, I eventually clicked on a little bigfoot video

3:09 and I went down the rabbit hole and just by my own wits and reckoning, by simply what I learned on YouTube, this phenomenon is really quite real, and it's amazing what the madness you have to sift through, not only through your own head, but all the junk out there that that's out there. There is a lot of jump, But I think that there's an ever growing body of people out there, curious, just like myself, who are putting their evidence out there. And I hope I wish to somehow contribute to the recognition of this reality that we find in the woods. And I never thought it possible. But when I did find out the phenomenon is real, I just wanted to see one and I took it to the nth degree, like I have with some other obsessions in my life. And here I am.

4:05 I'm with the Michigan Aboriginal Project and and I'm just putting my my I'm sharing my journey and sharing what evidence that I have collected on my own in the woods of northern and southern southern Michigan all throughout this day. When you say northern Michigan, are you talking about the Upper Peninsula or the actual northern part of them both. I spend most of my time in the northern Lower but in my daughter was born in northern Michigan for a few years, and I got to know the up a little better. I've been ice fishing up there for some years and I've had some experience up there, and some of the recordings I've sent you, I think two of those that I have sent you are from the up and but this is a hobby, you know, it doesn't even have to be Michigan you can. You don't have to limit yourself to a particular state, or you don't have to isolate yourself to the Northwest to have any to expose yourself to the reality of this phenomenon. That you can be anywhere. I believe in any watershed, on any continents, you have populations of these beings. I agree with you. From the people that I've talked to over the years, there is interactions all over the place in places that you would not think they're totally happening. Was there a situation

5:38 that happened that really transitioned the way you looked at the big Foot creature and that made you say, like, Okay, from here on out, I'm getting into the woods. I'm figuring this out, and made you take it very seriously. I don't know if there's any specific time that that happened, but I when I found out that they were a real phenomenon, like I said, I just wanted to see one. And then I got more and more curious because you find such interesting things in the woods and manipulation at woodcraft a tpees wigwams lane tis. They also manipulate branches. I've been observing a branch over the past few years, it had been tied into a knot.

6:26 You know, wind and such can tangle your fishing line into knots and some unexplainable ways wind knots they're called, and fly fishing. But no, no, no wind event or you know, climate insult to a tree can produce that particular kind of result. So, and that's just one little anomalous thing that I've observed in the woods. Most blatant things are the tpees, wigwams and suction. And I've my operating thought is that you know this said or legend says that they have they make these creations. The only how do you prove that they're not going to come around if you're going to sit around a camp around these things, you know. So I started dropping recorders and yeah, the structures like this, And this structure is in a suburb of ann Arbor, I think, actually it's it's just near the outside border of ann Arbor. Huron River runs through there, and along the shoreline of the Huron River you'll find structures similar to these. So when I find these, I study him. I look for, you know, unique things about it, and and I found this on August tenth, twenty twenty two and I got some amazing recordings two female subjects. That sounds way better right when you start

8:01 talking about this. The only other time I've had weird audio like this happened before is when some guy was talking about I think it was giant related stuff and just like totally wigged out on us. And I was like, Oh, that's this creeps me out a little bit, because this whole Giant's phenomenon. You know, I've studied, I'm studying a lot of the teachings of doctor Michael Heiser, and it looks at oh yeah, sure, saw maybe two and the supernatural, you know worldview, absolutely of the Second Temple, Jewish you know crowd that understood the Old Testament, that kind of thing. So not only do I believe there are people, I believe there may be some biblical parallels to this, so that in this this extra this extra dimensional world that people talk about. I have no evidence of that, but I'm not going to discount that at all because I just don't know. But yeah, that's weird. Some weird things happen at some very usual quits in general times. Yeah, I know, I guess you say, fellow podcasters that I know, the guys from Blurry Creatures, they'll have weird stuff happen when they're talking about they have some pretty heavy episodes to do with giants and stuff, and they'll have some interesting tech issues happen too, So you never know what's going to down there. But so, yeah, we were just talking about the stick structures and it was getting interested in Then something weird happened, but feel free to continue. Yes, So the stick structures, this is

9:31 what I look for, and I look at this is this one in particulars along the Huron River, not too far from ann Arbor, and I find these anomalous structures. They're clearly not made by any insults trees, A lot of a lot of what you see on Facebook and the interweb these days, people finding the structures. You know, I'm looking at them and I'm thinking, yeah, maybe maybe not, But if you really have to put too much thought into it, I'm saying, move on trying to figure out what these are. But these structures are clearly made, and I study them and they have a lot of similarities those structures that I find, so I find those that are unique and that compelled me to drop a recorder and I drop a recorder at this one last year twenty twenty two, on August tenth, which happened to be my birthday, and I picked up some really amazing audio clips. I think I sent them both to you. It sounds like two different female subjects, and in both clips they're on the same footage, about nine minutes apart from one another. But in both clips you hear others in the background, other subjects, and one female subject says honey a law, I will shake you one a wall, and another one nine minutes either before or after that one I don't recall, But on the same footage, one says honey, hoop hospitals closed to the east and to the OspA, and

11:05 that expression is immediately followed by a melodic clicking and clucking, which many eyewitnesses to these beings report had, you know, hearing. So that's how I'm convinced that those subjects are absolutely sasquatching. Well, I was out, you know, I had my little look, I made a little logo, and I made some stickers like this, and I, you know, I'm pretty flippant about this subject, especially when it comes to strangers. Because I liked the shock value and I was. There was a couple going into this wallow and it's a series of paths and such a The public are through here. Both of these you can see. It's right off a path. Both these structures I got audio from. But I ran into a couple and they had this big scope, you know, a spotting scope, and I said, you look at birds are bigfoot, and just flippantly and she said, you mean the ancient people, which told me immediately she's she probably knows exactly there, and they're probably going going there to study them. They're in there, and I've never seen them, but I've collected plenty of audio, and the structures here they change all the time. So I don't know if I believe these people are regionally nomadic and they may build these along the way for whatever reasons. I simply know that by my recording experience that when I see these,

12:37 they're they're likely to have been there, and they're likely to return, and I hope to capture them when they do return on audio. The very simple method when someone asks you what what do you believe that? What do you feel bigfoot? Is? How do you answer them? I believe they're extra remnant populations of the giants of the Old Testament. I believe the Old Testament reverse to seventeen or eighteen different tribes of giants, and they all have names. I'm not expert at their names, but I know like the Zamzumme are said to have been giants. The Ammonites. Fritz's Everman, who's done some work in the Giants Arena, believes there. I think he believes they're ammonites. I personally don't know. There are references in sawmighty two to the sons of God who are mortal. I have recordings of these creations in northern Lower Michigan actually chanting and it sounds beautiful. Jeremi. I'm telling you they are chanting, and I've heard it in other options, but the one that I have published on Michigan Aboriginal Project, which is the YouTube connection, you can hear them chanting and I play it something like ten times. It takes a moment for your ears to acclimate to the to the audio, but you can hear them chanting and it's it's really quite beautiful. In one of my

14:09 first recordings, I got this October twenty third, twenty nineteen. It was two nights after a massive encounter that I had, very vocal encounter, but not visual. I didn't see a thing, but it was very vocal, and it was some moments when I thought I was gonna die because it was unlike anything I've ever experienced in the woods. It was wild and pretty pretty scary, but okay, so that the recording I got two nights after that encounter, I have some recordings of some vocals. One says I had an ascension and another voice is different vocal signature sounds like just moments after this says it sounds like Kumbaya weird stuff, and I don't know if that's what they're saying. I don't, but the audio sounds exactly like that. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors, and it's kind of, you know, it's kind of bizarre. Wow. It is so when people are when you're talking about, you know, related to the giants of I would say you could say, like the Old Testament, correct, like biblical scriptures, things like that. So you're referring to like the Nephelim then, or not necessarily, I Nephelim are I believe they're most generally considered

15:48 the unholy offspring of the sons of gods and the daughters of men. That's Gen. Six one through four. But there are other races of giants. It well, there are other races. We know there are racist Tians. I think they're Nephilim are special in that they they're they're the unholy offspring of the sons of God and the daughters are men. But that begs the question who are the sons of God? Saw made two suggests their their demigods. There there are other gods. They are lesser gods than the one most high, and they're referred to as ben Elween and they're said to be the sons of God and I don't I don't know. But they're also said to be mortal, you know, they are mortal like man. And so it gets my creative brain wondering what, who, who, and what exactly are the sons of God? Who are the Nephelim. I think the Nephelim, as scripture says they were there in those days and thereafter. You've heard of the giant of Kandahar. I'm sure I think that may be a modern day Nephelim.

17:03 More a giant figure with more human characteristics, more likely to be men of renowned. There's some debate as to whether or not Noah was a giant. I was listening to doctor Michael Heiser today and and there's some debate about whether or not that's the truth or not. I don't know. It's a mystery. And I'm you know, cliff note version, you know side note here. I'm formerly atheist. I've done a one eight in that, so I know what it's like to rationalize God out of my life. But I also know what it's like to experience supernatural things that you just can't explain other than the fact that there is some sort of supernatural order out there, and there is an order, there is, there is an echelon, there are other planes of existence, like the encounter night October. It was doctor twenty first, twenty nineteen. I'm certain I sent you that audio. That one starts with what I call cluck signaling. You hear two different subjects clucking, ones like cluck cluck in the in the distance, and you can hear something closer to the recorder does another cluck cluck, And then there's a voice that says something like albut a gunfire it's not gunfires. Sounds like gunfire. It's like albut of gunfire. And my mind us like, how about the gunfires?

18:33 I see another subject saying, what you're about to do? Might you know cause some trouble? What's going to go on? Anyway? They carried on. Then I heard this all chi chi chiha down by the river upstream. I heard this big boom and I felt felt the percussive impact of that. That boom sounded like it sounded like an empty dumpster being dropped a few feet off the concrete platform. And it's just a boom. I've heard others have similar experiences as they related, and I recorded that sound only one other time. It was a hanzo file. I sent you right at the beginning of that, you have a big boom, And that's exactly what I heard and felt on October twenty one, twenty nineteen. I think I found in October twenty nineteen one. Here okay, this has come boy Kapika Swa.

19:38 This is the four minutes of audio that I got two nights after the encounter. And this this four minutes, nearly four minutes. It's like three three minutes, fifty seventy seconds. This helped me decipher what I was listening to in the encounter audio that I had recorded two nights before this. I heard there was a lot of clicking and clucking. It was melodic, and I really didn't know what to make of it until this clip, where I have a few examples of that conventional speech, like the comeback capicasoas can hear that watery sound in the background. Yeah, I still don't fully understand that, but my thinking is it's it's a form of language. I know it sounds weird, but I think it's a form of language of others in the near vicinity of that recording. So what kind of area were you recording this?

20:36 And this was a longer river in a valley, and there was a TP structure, it's a it's a big TP structure. And it was the first night I ever recorded here. And the quality recording is this is the best quality recording that I've ever gotten from there. I've gotten some other stuff that's not true. There's another fifty two second clip I sent you which captured subjects in the foreground, which I'm accustomed to getting. And these are foreground recordings or caludio captures from the same TP. But this is what three years later. It was last October twenty second, the night of and I got subjects close to recorder and subjects throughout the valley, and the recorder was kicked off by a knock. What we understand is knocks. I believe their vocals pretty darn sure of it. So it starts out. Let you hear the last half of the knock, and some then some silence, then a little snip and which is one tell. It's a tell that you know you can hear pick up other vocals when you hear a little snip. And it's very subtle there, believe it or not. There are vocals there that are even more subtler than than the snip. But anyway, it carries on. There's a call and then a response to the call. So you have multiple subjects throughout the valley and subjects near the recorder and they're all communicating. Wow, And

22:08 it's not madness, it's not chaos. This is I mentioned earlier that I thought that there may be some excellent, you know, some ape you know that's not yet discovered. I used to be I used to be of that mindset that it was just I think the you know, the North American Wood Ape Association was spot on. What kind of recorder were you using? Do you know the like specific type of recorder or just curious? I wonder if I had them here? They're here somewhere, they're both are I think they're Olympus products. I also have a zoom. I have a zoom here that I use in camp because the battery life on this is not as long as the digital the handheld. Okay, so this is the Copica squad was captured on this recorder. This is a thirty dollars Olympus recorder. It's the uh VN. It does not have a computer interface, so getting audio off this is a pain in the ass. So I can't recommend. But it has the VCVA options, so you know that that's that's how I picked up that nearly four minutes of audio. Included in that audio is that could pikaswall.

23:30 You have other expressions like fatif you know that these are expressions that come from a creation that has to have lips, you know, and and an ability to articulate. And the neat thing about it is I have a lot of those conventional expressions comp paired with the melodic clicking and clucking. So which is an extension of their language or separate language. I have no idea. You know, I'm not I'm not always there when when the audio's audio was captured from my encounter audio, you know, and that two nights before that, you know, I've published ten minutes of that audio. In reality, that evening I only heard maybe twenty thirty seconds of it. But there's ten minutes of audio that you know, you know, five minutes before and five after that you can hear them in the background, and you know, really for the most part you don't hear them at all. And I never saw a thing that night, but I got plenty of audio. Let's let's hear some more here. Let's see, let's see what else we've got here. When you listen to this in between space, there are also some whispery voices in the distance. But this is cool. Right now. At the end of

25:03 that you hear at dump the lump, which is awesome. And this is the raw audio from that. This is captured on January six, twenty nineteen, just a few weeks after I started getting into recording this particular night. I could do a documentary on this night alone with this footage of love. I think it's just eight hours, but it starts out with snoring, a juvenile snoring. You hear it's mother coffee nearby three times and short spans of time costs twice within nineteen seconds. In that nineteen the subject sounds absolutely human when they call, when she called. Yeah, this is some just one capture that night. I got snoring, I got the coffe and I got this kind of stuff. I also have some really weird stuff with vocal expressions, unlike anything that I've captured in Northern Michigan. So if if these are Sasquatching, those that are I'm recording up north or Sasquatch, I'm wondering if they have regional dialects. But because the modalities the sort of I call it a sort of a harmonic resonant vocal modality. I hear that both in southern

26:37 and in Northern Michigan and even in the up But there are variations, and I don't know if I'm if they're slightly different cryptids, wildly different cryptids. Sure, but this kind of stuff is typical Sasquatch, and I got a lot of that typical Sasquatch. Same with the weird stuff that night January sixth, so so very interesting. It's weird. But my okay, this is oh yeah, so you here's subjects in the background. That one in the foreground with the whistle that's sweet hot whistle. I've recorded that, actually, that's sweethet, that's hot. I've recorded that in Lower Michigan, very similar expression, and I think I call it the sweet hot expression. It's a recording and I captured some years ago, just a few years ago, because I haven't been recording more than four and a half years about. But when you find those structures, you can drop a recorder and you can consistently get this kind of these kinds of strange vocals. When you're getting recordings like this, how how far out into the woods are you? Are you in a

28:10 like woods near a town or is it pretty remote or well? For example, the Huron River expressions that I got, it was the recording, the recording that just you wear right before this one that's within the city limits of ann Arbor. Okay, you can go along. There are many parks are along the Huron River ran around ann Arbor. I've only been a couple of them, and you can find structures in there. And that's what I do. What I've located an anomalous structure, clearly manipulated, made by you know, you think it may it may have been made by local kids. The only way to find out if if it was or not is to drop a recorder. And that's what I've put to them. Okay, So your main evidence for differentiating between sasquatch structure verse like a bushcraft structure, is what you capture through audio. Yeah, okay, I got it. Yeah, that's really really interesting. Good, it's a good verification, you know, And I don't know. Sometimes I I listened to some old stuff. Actually I started recording. I think it was December ninth, twenty eighteen. Anyway, I recently went back and revisited some of those old recordings, which which I hadn't really scored before because I thought nothing was on them. But when you're

29:42 when I've done this a few years now, so I've really kind of picked up on these very subtle signs, like the snip that is often accompanied with other vocalizations when you peel away the white noise, the general in of the environment feel the way the white noise and amplify it a little bit in minute steps, to take big, little steps. I don't always go with the default. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Range of correction, like a de noise or anything like that. I do little steps of that and repeated little steps, and it's amazing what you can what comes out in terms of sheer vocals. I mean, these are these are expressions. It is speech, and sometimes they sound like beasts, demons. Other times they sound like, you know, effeminate, harmless things or little sprites, little fairies. I've picked up all all sorts of types of vocal vocal expressions, which confuses things. You know, do the sasquash speaking all these different ways or do they travel in bands of you know, of other dimensional creations. I have no idea. But the audio that I've picked up, specially the ten minute audio, most of which I did not

31:15 hear at the time, begs a lot of questions. Because you listen to ten minutes, you'll hear things that sound demonic, beastly, angelic, sprightly, uh, you sound gremlini ish, weird, really really weird stuff, and it makes you wander, are these disembodied spirits, you know, as as Michael Heiser has said, you know, those that are condemned to the dark, to the night, to the underworld. You know, I don't know, I tell you, Jeremiah. When I got home after that encounter I had on the it was the twenty first, It was a Monday, twenty first October twenty nineteen. I was pretty messed up, and I, you know, you can't talk to your family or friends, or I couldn't talk to my wife about it, and you have to kind of eat it up. And about a month later I actually got got the nerve up to listen to the audio. I didn't think it was going to be good audio because it was raining that night. The recorder was under the tarp, and so I, you know, kind of held onto it. My wife is just getting home right now if you're hear any noise in the background. So anyway, for a month, I was a it was getting over a case of my nerves right in his sweetheart. And I listened to it and clean up the audio, and then I kind of wish I hadn't because I was messed up for a few more months after that, because it was let's head

32:47 on to the next one. Here the last third of this, you hear a little sprightly voice sounds like coming. And prior to that, of course, you hear that in melodic clicky clucky stuff. So this is a way they speak. And I don't know if these are two different subjects because they keep coming and the sprightly voice at the end, it looks like it looks to be a different subject because the the intensity of color isn't there. So if you can imagine a three D setting, the brighter vocalizations or prints here on the on the sonogram sonogram are brighter. I imagine they're closer to the recorder. But these day was this I think this is one of my most recent recordings. I can't tell. It's a little blurry on the on the file, I can hardly read it. But but so there's an example of two different subjects, one speaking in a very furtive, you know, sprightly way, and they communicate with that click melodic clicking and clucking. I've got a ton of that stuff. Wow. And was this also in a stick structure that you captured? Yea, this one? Yes, okay, interesting,

34:20 Yeah, this was the very same stick structure. Some years later after the same structure as I got the capiaswa and other vocalizations. Now this stuff is not always a here. When I'm reviewing audio, you need to really fine tune and actively listen to the subtle stuff. Like I said earlier, you can have a subtle snip and that that's an indication to me that there's there may be something novelists there. So I just cut the clip, save it later, and I address it. Then I'll go back and clarify it, reduced the noise, go through a process and see what I get. And very often you get this weird, very esoteric, you know, a form of communication we will never understand. I don't believe about to hear what's a hansom? Now it gets really weird here, Jeremiah. Listen to this buzzing and humming. You see on a spectrograph above there there's this huge amplification and there's also an intensifying yellow at the base. And this is what I

35:51 believe to be an infrasonic vocal expression. The intensifying yellow at the bottom of each of the spectagraph corresponds with that amplification in the spectrograph, so it's not yeah, so it really picks up on the spectrograph. You know something's there, but you really kind of have to. If you're not paying attention, you're not going to hear it. But it's represented by that intense yellowing down there. And I believe this is infrasonic origins of speech. And it is a buzzing and like I said, I call it a harmonic resonant, but it's also a buzzing and humming. And back to our earlier discussion on the Old Testament, there are a people in Deuteronomy, second chapter, verse twenty referred to as the zams you Meme. They only get one mentioned in the Bible. Zamzuomeme got their name from the word zimzoom. It's an ancient Hebrew word that means to buzz or to hump. So this is that buzzing, humming vocal modality which perhaps the zamzu Meme giants people. Perhaps that's how they got their name. I don't know. It's speculation, but it seems to pair well between my investigation into this subject and my biblical studies. It is fascinating this audio clip. I was like, I can't even begin to imagine what's going on in here. And it was this also in a stick structure as well. This was recorded in a place and you can see. I

37:21 have a I have a publication on the Michigan Aboriginal Project on YouTube. It's called Vocal Village two recorder placements, and you can see the actual village if you will that I was in. It was the singular highest concentration of stick structures that I've ever come across in the woods. And I found it not by my own in my own doing other than following a hunch, but I met a waitress who said she saw one. She saw one of these huge. She said it was huge, told me where it was, just outside of town, and this is not far outside of Marquette, Michigan. And so I went there and I found I started finding the structural artifacts and the highest concentration of structural artifacts in the rolls, TP's, wigwams, Lean twos and variations of all of the that so I chose two structures. This was the first structure I chose to pug and this happened sometime during the night.

38:21 Then the other structure I bugged came off and I know that they had visited where I was just standing right after I left because the other record was engaged to begin on VCVA mode at eight o'clock and that was about forty minutes after I left the area. So the recording on the other one and you can I'm sure, I know I've sent you that clip, but it's it's bizarre. Before we leave this one, it does it almost sound like something's being thrown around or is that? Do you take the is like that's the voice the whole time. I think it's all vocals. I think all of them.

39:05 There's that game that I experienced and an account it. I didn't experience it on this one because I wasn't present when I first heard this. It sounded like and this is like in the middle of the night. It sounded like heavy construction equipment kind of distance. Now I cleaned it up and amplified it a little bit. Yeah, that's that's clearly the vocals. I would just like to hear that outside your tent. There's the weird stuff that heavy buzz and how heavy buzz really gets you too. Yeah, well, I've heard that orbs. I heard one witness of ORBS say that it did buzz like that. Most people see orbs say they don't make it sound at all, But I don't know what it is. It sounds like you would imagine a spaceship might sound right, I don't know, it's just like, yeah, you kidding me. I never, honestly, I never thought any of this was possible. But they give themselves away by by making these structures, and I have to do is find them. And that's fun. If there's you have some sort of spirit of adventuring. It gets you out, you know, and gets you out, get you busy, keeps you. It makes me feel like a little kid in the woods. Oh that's the snip.

40:40 Here's a call, and here's a response to the call coming up. Yes, is this is that scenario? The fifty two second clip that I got with subjects both near and afar from the recording. But that was amazing.

41:34 I still, I still. I've heard elements of this recorded by other people here and there. Put all of this together. You got a whistle, you got snip, you got actual conventional speech, you have a call, you have a siren sound like the sorry, audience terrible, not the worst thing they've ever heard before. I'm terrible with that stuff. But yeah, this is this is this is a scenario where you know, the multiple subjects throughout the valley and it's not chaos. It's not like this Gigantropithecus Blackie, who was portrayed as being a you know, slow, dumb, reclusive ape in the woods. This is like a freaking assembly and they're all communicating and they're not talking over one another. Wait, sorry, wait a second.

42:34 Do you know this? So something just went off in my head? Do you know? What comes out a lot recently in different interviews is recordings of almost creatures singing. I'd like to hear those. Have you ever experienced that? I've heard them sing quite honestly, though you have. I have, and it's weird. It almost sounds like some old like him type. It's very weird. Well, you want to hear something. We're chanting. I have chanting from the same from the same TP that this audio was captured. I have other audio that's chanting and it's the audience can look down my video feed and it says chanting and I question sacred space. So you know they're chanting, you know. I have that, And I have another other saying I had an an ascension. Yeah, and I have others that sound absolutely demonic. You have to wonder what the hell they are. You know, I don't know, and I'm looking for answers. I'll never proclaim to know the true reality is because I don't think it's up for us to know.

43:50 But I'm I'm I'm curious enough to keep trying, and and it's really fun. I call it mining vocal gems from from the depths of the woods, right, because you're never going to get what you're going to get. I apologize for cutting in like that. I was like it just it came out of nowhere. I was like, man, that kind of lines up directly with what he's been talking about, just you know, talking about the giant slash, not as much ape creature view of things. Let's I think you've got one of a video of an actual recorder here that was that was this this one and this is in the same wallow as the recording that you played right before the Hanso file. This happened right after I left, so eyes were on me. And I know this because I've reviewed the audio and I've picked up some things more of the esoteric nature that are easily missed.

45:02 We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. But they were there, their eyes were on me, and as soon as I left, they can't they came and they must they were checking out what I left. I suppose that's how I got that recording. This is the same wallow that the waitress told me about and you said around Marquette. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna let's tell one more time, so you have convention.

45:47 I don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that chance. I call it a piste off sasquatch. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it either. It sounds sounds malicious. It does. Yeah, it's not that's not a good vocal sound. I mean, it's an excellent recording, but the subject is not having a good day. Yeah no, well sure, this is the closest. Now everybody's familiar with the Sierra Sounds. This video audio clip is the closest thing I have that is similar to Ron Moorehead's recordings. Interesting, uh, most everything else I got is really very different. So you know, I don't believe they're all alike. You know, Mike Patterson has some some audio. I'm not one to say that that's legit or not.

46:37 I've always thought that you know, you know, I don't have any reason to doubt Mike Patterson, but it's very different and his stuff is very different from from Ron mooreheads and my stuff is very different from either one of theirs. So you know, maybe Mike Patterson did record or flask watch. I have no idea. Yeah, that's that's a whole different episode. Yeahs and stuff for sure, but it's different part of the country, different part of the world. So, you know, I don't think anybody can say that, you know, they're all alike. You can't come to that conclusion. We can't say that they're all Nephelm. We can't say that they're all you know, sons of God, you know, if if they still exist.

47:22 And I'm of the mindset formerly atheist and and such that I have yet to find any misleading information of the Bible, which is, you know, another mind blowing thing to accept. So I don't know this reality is it's real? Right? So I hope to I hope to inspire younger. You know, my demographic is all one hundred percent male between fifty five and sixty four. Sad, Yeah, it's the same thing. Yeah, how do you reach younger? I want to I want to inspire young men to get out of their homes, get out of their parents basement, get off the game consoles, go out and be the man that you know you were intended to be. And you can do it with this. I mean, this god thing I found is real. This bigfoot thing I've found is quite real, and it's an amazing combination. And I do believe we are all of the same creation. We're all made of this same hidden stuff, and there's so much more to learn about the very realities of this world. The mysteries are they abound. There are absolutely mysteries out there, which is one of the main reasons that I do this podcast to help people share the mysteries that they are that they've experienced in their investigating the kind of saving that the video.

48:52 There's a video you sent and I'm very curious about this, but yeah, do you want do you just want to play it and then share what happened, or do you need to say anything before we play it? Or well? I think it's another fifty one second clip that looks mainly black and white, although it's in color. Were shot in color. It looks black and white because it was at night and I was with my light on. So this happened. This is October thirtieth, twenty sixteen. It was my second trip since I started looking into the subject, actually entering the field, which was mid September, So this is like what five six weeks later. I think it was my seventh night in the woods since I entered the field trying to trying to find one, and I actually captured one. I had an encounter and captured either it or a sim or a subject with this one on video. So I went to the side of the camp and I was brushing my teeth, I went to spit toothpaste out. I had my red head lamp on and I look up and I'm looking at these big eyes and this is about probably sixty eighty feet away, and I'm thinking, Okay, what's going on here? What is it? And I'm observing it never moved a millimeter, not a single millimeter, and we just stared at each other for the longest time. And it was within that time that I found that I determined that it was in fact, I was having a sasquashing encounter.

50:23 These eyes were huge, and they were very wide set, and they never moved, and the color was like the very pale greenish yellowish hue to them, and it's very peaceful. It's just a very benign, peaceful But we'd just stare at sat and stare for the longest time. Ultimately it closed its right eye, so the one on the left, by my perspective, it just closed. It just disappeared to it was extinguished. And the other eye remained there. And I think that it was perhaps getting a little over sensitized to my ear, becomes sensitive to my light, the reason why it closed that one eye. So we looked at the other. There was another minute or two and I decided to as nonchalantly as possible, walk back into the camp. I grab my flashlight, I grab my video camera and I capture when in the background. So it's important for the honest you know that the subject is in the background. And when I do the scrubbing of it, it is magnified, but it shows enough detail that you can see the ocular recess. You can see the auricular recess. You see the shape of the hominant body. It's an upright you know. You see it pivot. The natural movement is pivoting from the right to the left, and it's just trying to get out of the light of my flashlight. So that's the natural action of that subject in the background. But I show you the original clip and

51:57 the scrub versions, so go for it. Let's take a look. Nice. So right to left when it pivots left, you see the ocular recess, auricular recess shape of the body, the large trapezius muscles on the upper back clearly, and Jeremiah here a little a subtle cooing at the four second mark of the raw audio, which is a sasquash vocal m. So I don't believe the subject was alone. I'm not sure if this is the one I was staring down prior, because when I was staring down prior was actually to the left of that. But they could have moved to when ilse to grabbed my gear. I want to play it one more time. Okay, there was back in the background and there it's not Man, it is so hard to see in the actual video, it really is. It's really quick.

53:07 Yeah, and it wasn't until February the following year, so there's over four months at that video. Because I didn't see anything when I grabbed the camera in the flashion, I didn't I didn't know. I can't capture this. I didn't think I saw anything, and I was convinced. And the reason why I was staring at this thing so long was because I knew if I if I broke eye contact, I'd never see it again. So I didn't think I got anything that night. And then that caught my eye and when I was getting a little cabin fever here in February, and that's what came of it. Not but the best evidence. But listen, it's enough tool to show the shape of the body. It is cool because you can see the shape of the body and movement. It's got movement. After you found that in the video, did you go back to that location and try to figure out like how tall the creature was? Yeah, like five and a half six feet. You know, that's just an estimate, you know, And I guess, you know, I don't know. It was the next trip when I did that, So it had to have been the following spring when I was trying to recreate that. So, but that's right outside the my traditional catron I go. I'm there twice a year most every year.

54:31 So is that also is that also Marquette area or this is the northern Lower Michigan. Okay, So I've also had a question to ask you are you have you ever looked into like the Glenny part of Michigan before Glenny, Like, I know there was a Glenny. It's like northern Lower Michigan. I had. I talked to a guy that had interesting thing up into him in Glenny one. So just a random question, But is that Glenny? I know I've been there, I know I've seen it. Is it near Glenn Arbor? I do not know anyway? Actually, yeah, wherever there are rivers and streams in Michigan, you have populations of these things. That is true. It is let me look at real quick. It's in the middle of a huge forest area. I guess that's a lot of yourn manasty.

55:34 It's it's close to the east eastern part of the northern part Okay, Glenny, Michigan. Okay, yeah, so that is perhaps the Huron National Forest. Okay, Glenny. I used to hunt north of Glenny. And oh there's Asakota. Okay. I used to hunt Pina and I've had some interesting experiences and now Peina along the Sage watch really yeah, yeah, two two sidings and two other occurrences. One was a slap on the side of the cabin. We were up there hunting. There was a bunch of guys.

56:20 We were being rambunctious and we heard this loud crack on the side and it was totally from the side of the cabin. And one of the Tony's, one of the an Italian family, a lot of Toni's in this family as well their guests. He went out there and there was there was nothing, nothing on them. He said, it was probably a stick on the roof, but there's no stick on the roof. There's nothing there. It was a loud crack on the side and the only thing that I it was just remained a mystery until I got into this subject and learned that, you know, the house slapping was a thing, right, So yeah, it's a huge deal. Yeah, yeah, and it was. It was a it was a loud quickness clap, startling. Actually, man, pretty crazy.

57:04 But yeah, we're out there and they're probably you know the last question, probably out they would laughing because their pranksters. It's like the juvie that woke me up last fall. That was that was not very nice. It was a malicious act. But yeah, they'll they'll they'll mess with you. They will definitely mess with you. If so, your your viewpoint of that they are a giant creature. Do you think it would be possible to communicate with them in some way? Yes? And well yeah, I mean I have, I've communicated with him directly, like the juviney. I mean, he's God gave me this. He woke me up at six am. It was last October twenty fourth, the morning. I was a Monday morning, it was raining, six am. I was in a in a deep sleep and it hissed step it was sound like a hiss. It was like a gurgly, gravelly vocalization, which was speech. The recorder was going, so you can even the audience can go and listen to that. It's just encounter audio, and you can hear how demonic that one actually sounds. It doesn't I don't know if it is or not, but it certainly sound that way.

58:23 And to be awakened by this gurgly, graveley hiss at six am for really one maybe one of the first times I'd gotten any decent deep sleep in three nights. You know that that happened. It's something incredible, really interesting audio James, and I think this is a great episode because it makes people go down a lot of rabbit trails and kind of think about certain things in their minds and how they feel about them. And I think it's going to really take a lot of people on a interesting journey. There's way more of evidence you've captured on your YouTube channel, correct, correct, Yeah, And I don't share everything. I've got some stuff, like I said that not January sixth. I could do it a full documentary for hours long on that and the very and I will eventually, but it's just it's time. And you don't notice my amo is I'm not always out there. I don't always put myself out there, and this is why I'm grateful for this opportunity, because people can get to know me a little bit better. But on my own channel, I'm not that sensationalistic. I put out my evidence because it's fun. These are my vocal gems that I've mined from the woods, and I just want to share them. I think ultimately the greater community will catch on to this, these unique vocals. Whether there's unique to the region Michigan,

1:00:00 I don't know, because there's certainly a lot different from Ron mooreheads now Ron mooreheads. I don't know if he actually recorded this incident, but he said through the night that it sounded as if you know, they came into his camp and they were making all sorts of racket and he thought the place was being torn up. They have that clackey that in the last couple of clips you played, there are these clackey rhythmic you know, clicks and whatever, and they can be really loud. They can be so loud that they sound like gun shots. I'm not kidding. I've recorded some of that and haven't even that. But and that the gun shots, that's kind of more on speculation. I have to cross reference in other audio, but I believe that to be true. I've and by witness testimony we hear that. You know, people have said they sound like gun shots. I mean, they're that loud. It's such an other world, the experience that you just don't see coming, You just don't see it coming at all. And you know, why aren't we told about this by our powers to be by our governments?

1:01:10 Right? Well, personally, I think it is their role because with one of their primary roles is to protect us, right, they're very well of this phenomenon. I know they are. I think your audience believes it as well. I mean, if they're if you look, well, one thing's for certain. I'm sure that they know more than they are sharing. That's for sure. I almost guarantee that. But we'll see if that ever, if anything ever comes out. But yeah, James, this has been a very interesting episode. I'm so thankful you're able to come on and to share what you've captured so far it's a small portion of that, and encourage people to go check out your channel, subscribe to that, and thank you watch through all the different videos you have. But is there are there any other things that you would like people to be aware of ways that they can keep up to date with the project. I've got Michigan Aboriginal dot Com is my main hub. There are there are links to my YouTube channel. There's a link to a store I made made this little logo has a lot, you know. That's you know, I've yet to break two hundred dollars in the past like fourteen months that that store has been up. And I don't push it that are but if anybody cares, somebody a T shirt it goes a long way to I'm between jobs right now, so little gas money to

1:02:45 go off Dan Arbor North would be appreciated, right and you get something really cool and in exchange. But another thing just I haven't got a lot of audio, and I put it out there. I share it freely and willingly. I encourage the audience not to play this in the woods. Do not play anything like this in the woods. I do encourage the audience, if they're interested in doing something like this, to look for those structures in likely areas and just leave a recorder hide them as best she can. I'm pretty sure they're going to find the recorder, because they usually do. But please don't, Please people, don't. It's your own safety. We don't know what sort of response you might get, you know, playing this in the woods. Please don't play my stuff in the woods. Keep it yourself, learn from it. There are a variety of vocal modalities that you can learn about and actually perhaps be in tune to the next time you're out in the woods. Because at times, when they're speaking, when they're around you, you don't necessarily see them, you don't hear them, but sometimes you'll hear rarely do hear them. Sometimes you'll hear or sense a sort of like a harmon resonance on your ear drums. Pay attention to that. When the hair on the back of your neck goes up, pay attention to that. That could be a response to they're communicating around us, and they do that quite

1:04:15 ably depthly, and we're none the wiser. The ten minutes of audio Encounter audio that I've published, it's called in their Midst, In their Midst one on warning, high strangeness, not for the faint of heart, and the other ones in their Midst ten minutes uninterrupted, each has something else to offer their different filtered versions of the same raw footage. But listen to both because you'll hear things that are just unbelievable. If the three minute fifty second part of that audio, you'll hear one subject it sounds like he's in the background, it says ebanopsia a really cool But all sorts of little vocal gems in there that are fun to find. And when you're in the woods and you you you know, the hair goes up on your back, and or you sense that something's really not quite right, just pay extra attention because you might have a visitation. They're they're out there and they're well aware of our presence.

1:05:27 It is. It is amazing, And I've been scared pretty pretty pretty darn scared and terrified. But looking back, they haven't harmed me. They've scared me plenty. They'll mess with you. If everybody out there sees one say hi, you know, they do have an ability to communicate and if you treat them with respect, which is a really hard thing to do depending on the circumstances. Just seeing one of these things can can leave you speechless.

1:06:08 But thinking of all that I've been through with the past few years, it's been one of the world's greatest adventures on a beer budget that I could ever imagine. There you go. Is there a way that people can reach out to you, like if they've experienced things that are similar to this? And there I go? Man, this is I totally get it. Yeah. Well, there's a the Facebook group which Hot and Cold on action. It's Michigan Aboriginal Projects. You can on Michigan Aboriginal dot com. There's a contact me section there. There's also a list of podcasts that I've been on years of course, will be on their likely tomorrow if I get off my lazy, but my wife are not going to go to the season family in southern Ohio, which is exciting to me because southern Ohio is around the Glaci Moraines, right, yeah, so, and that's where I used to play as a kid, in the streams and in those streams, in those green ways. I have found structures. I haven't recorded there yet, but there are plenty of structures around southern Ohio. That's you know, if any of your listening to audiences down there go to Grant Park, you know, not just South of Date and South and Western Date, and I think lots of structures in there. There'll be someone that in the comments on YouTube that's been like I totally go there or I went there the structures love to hear that.

1:07:31 It's as you said, it's a big audience now and like people are super cool on YouTube and like they're researching like stuff that people say that it's it's getting wild, but it's very cool. I just don't know where to go see one. I know where to go find the South qualch they are where they hang out is findable. Whether or not you see one is it's not likely or you'll see one, but I tell you you put your self out there and you start poking around their areas like I have up north. They know where I camp and that's where I get most of my action. I'll go in the daytime and I'll drop my recorders. I'll poke around their areas, but at nighttime they come, they come to me. Yeah, James, thank you so much again for hanging out. This has been great.

1:08:19 I hope some interesting things come out of this episode. Again, if you've got encounters or things that this episode reminds you of, put them in the comments please those that listen on YouTube. But thank you so much for coming on. James. Thank you, sir, Thank your audience. Peace be with you all here at Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening