Bigfoot Lives in Weldon Spring | Missouri

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to Patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Levi. Levi's an individual who reached out to me through email with a lot of really interesting things he's going to share. He's from down in the Saint Louis, Missouri area, and a little bit about him that he provided is he's a lifelong outdoorsman. He's been a technical footwear product designer for the rock climbing outdoor industry, and he's also twenty five year national Graffiti writer, which we'll come into play. It sounds like in a little bit, but Leli, welcome to the show.

1:11 Yeah, thanks thanks for having me. Before we get going, we were talking before the show started, and this is going to be an episode where the interviewee is a little bit more comfortable with myself asking questions and not just letting him talk for an extended period of time. So you'll see you'll hear a little bit more of me in this one, which is great. Is there anything else that we need to know about your background besides what I shared before we get going? Always just been interested in, you know, the weird or the odd. I'm originally from. Indiana doesn't have a lot of anything, really a lot of land, a lot of cornfield, but there's not a lot like geographically or the state's kind of the same from top to bottom. Were surrounded by minor mountainous areas like the kind of the beginning of Appalachia in Kentucky, the Ohio River Valley area has some elevation changes, and then Illinois to an extent, mainly south. I know these things don't dictate what happens around there, but Indiana's always had the ghost stories or the hunted house or blah blah blah where I'm from. Originally, the only as far as I know, with the research that I've done, the only kind of bigfoot or sasquatch encounter was in the seventies on a stretch of road headed towards Chicago. A

2:44 family either a family or a couple were driving and they saw a big foot standing off in the distance from the They did provide a mile marker on the highway, so I know, like the within a five mile radius, and it's really flat. It's like Cornfield. There's a strip of foliage and tree area that is connected to a park. So it was always really. Odd to me that someone had any type of sighting there whatsoever. From Indiana, where I was born originally, I moved to southern Indiana and had always heard of stuff happening in the woods down there. Bloomington is really famous for the IU, which is the college, and there's everyone from Wall Street banker eventually to hippies that live in the woods, and everybody seemed to have they knew someone or were connected to someone that had something happening to them in the woods. So yeah, that's where it started.

3:51 Things really ramped up when I moved through traveling as well, Like I started noticing things in the woods when I would camp or when I would be out on climbing trips. I've been round climbing for a long time. I took a ten year break and didn't do anything and then went headfirst in. And I think I gave you a rundown of some of the areas, but a lot of national parks, a lot of really secluded areas where no one goes because the approach is really hard, and usually the times and the dates and the weather dictates what happens. Like in the climbing world a lot, So we would be out when there's you don't see people for an entire day or two days or three or four, depending on how much you're out there. So you blend into the woods to an extent, and you just kick up on these things that kind of you'll get a blip here and a blit there, and you're like, oh, yeah, that was weird. And then now I'm thinking about all this stuff later on and I'm like, oh, maybe that's what that was.

5:01 So yeah, that's where it started. Okay, gotcha. So you it sounds like you grew up familiar with weird stuff happening in the woods around southern Indiana, specifically around that college or all those people. Now was this were these big foot encounters that were happening down there? Yeah, so I had heard. I had heard from guys that were in the climbing realm down there, and I just had friends and they're like, yeah, my dad was in the woods hunting and he saw this. Or climbers would be like yeah, we had an entire pack. Of stuff. That would disappear and show up again in a couple of days. So yeah, and Bloomington it's pretty it's not there's not crazy elevation change, but there's.

5:53 A lot of woods. There's a lot of old woods too, which I think plays a pretty key factor in it. Now, it sounds like looking back on your life, you're realizing things happened earlier that were a little bit weird. But can you remember maybe the first time where you're like, okay, that stuff that I experienced was definitely some bigfoot activity and that kind of opened my eyes. Yes, the earliest thing I can remember is down there as well. Like I said, I stopped climbing and I took a really long break that took me out of the woods as extensively as I used to be. I remember at one point we were climbing in an area in Kentucky that's pretty famous in the climbing world. There's not really a reason to hide it. It's known as Red River Gorge, so it's the most one of the most popular, like sport climbing areas in the United States.

6:55 I remember being on a trip and not directly to my group that I was with or my camp, but the camp right next to us. They had heard. What they described as like a bark or a loop, like the like you get like the loop in the woods, or like a weird sound. And I remember then being like, we hear it every time we're down here, and it's always in this one area. A lot of that area is very isolated, but there's a lot of climbing. Sometimes you're walking pretty far and it's you know, you're on your own or with your group that they had said they kept hearing this same thing over and we you know, you get like around a campfire, like before you go to sleep, and you start asking questions.

7:50 And I remember. In the camp there was one person that was going on off separately to their tent area, and I remember them being like, I just heard it. Again. I didn't hear it, but it sparked some concern from what I could tell, and I was like, Oh, yeah, that's weird, that's crazy. I guess that's a thing. At this point, I was pretty young, so it wasn't like I wasn't like die hard. Like paying attention to it. But yeah, in a roundabout way, just being in that area, I had heard like these people talking about it. And then when this was this person went off to their little portionally camp to get to their tent and they heard this. Like you could see the look on the face.

8:39 There was concern, and they were like, this keeps happening. It's very like nerve wracking, and I don't really know what it is. Later on that trip, we had a trash can that kind of. I guess it walked off on its own. You could say the trash can didn't hold any food, but it held climbing equipment, and in particular it held in rock climbing, you use a lot of rope. It held a series of ropes and some gear shoved in the center. And I remember coming back from the crag, which is what everybody calls the spot where you climb, and we're like, where's this trash can because it's a ton like, it's a lot of gear. It's like a like a twenty five gallon can, and there's a rope shoved inside, and then there's what we call click draws, which are you connect them to the rock so you don't fall and die. That's the easiest way. It's a safety it's a piece of safety equipment. So the can's gone, we can't find it. Everybody does like the grid search.

9:44 Let's like try to walk around and see if we can find it. There was no one else around, which was the intriguing part to me because in that realm, gear does get stolen, unfortunately, but not in an area like this that's this relevant. So, yeah, can disappears, we can't find it. We go to leave the next day at like noon, and the can is sitting like right on the edge of our campground. It's there's a pizza place down there. If people climb. I'm not going to say the name of the pizza place, but if you climb in Kentucky and you go there a lot, you know where this pizza place is, and you it's like super famous. So if people want to search, they can search that way. But the can's just sitting on the side, like on the very edge, and it's there, and it looks like something had pulled all this stuff out and shoved everything back in, which doesn't happen in the climbing realm ropes or your safety line. So there's a reason they don't get dirty to an extent. They do get dirty, but not as dirty as this thing. It looked like something grabbed it, like dragged it around and then.

10:59 Check all the other stuff and. Just shoved it back in all as messy as possible, which good climbers don't do. You know, it was odd and it didn't really that incident didn't really click until later on where I was like, oh okay, this makes sense. Yeah, that's where the first thing like where it was like, oh yeah, like maybe this is something to pay attention to. Yeah. Absolutely. How heavy was that was that garbage can? Approximately, it's not super heavy, but it's not light enough for.

11:46 You could You don't carry it under your arm. It connects to a pack and you carried on your back and if you walk a mile with it, like you're tired, you feel it. I mean, gear's not super heavy. It is in. Some realms, but this realm, I don't know a single animal that could have. Grabbed it. Taking it away without dragging the trash can across the ground. That was one of the other things was like, there's no there, there were no marks of it being like dragged like by a coyote or a wolf, for like a bear, which I don't think they have in that area. It's heavy enough to where you have to carry it and you get tired when you're carrying it. But the big thing is when the rope and all the safety equipment's placed inside, it's placed strategically, you can reach into the bucket without pulling out, reach in, grab exactly what you need, and pull it out without looking at it.

12:49 So it being shoved back in like. The worst possible unorganized way ever is the big thing there. It's wait wise, like made twenty two pounds total, maybe twenty five, enough to where you would have to carry it, you know. That's that's very interesting. So it all shoved back in by something that obviously didn't have a respect for rock climbing. Anyone who had a respect for that would have done it. The same way you would. Say yeah, and it was like everything was dirty too. That's the thing that got me. Like the people that I was with on that trip, like.

13:32 They in the. Climbing realm when people have gear, they it's like you can go in their car and their car is absolutely trashed, and you go and you see they call it a rack. You go and you see their rack of climbing gear and it's like the most organized, clean, like perfect thing ever. So it's really funny climbing. The climbing world is crazy. It's like you spend thousands of dollars on all this gear, and you spend thousand dollars on a car or an apartment and. It's nine times out of ten. Like the gears like pristine, perfect condition, and everything else. Is just like this is gross. Like they call it dirt bag, Like a dirt bag is a climber.

14:15 Yeah, it's funny. They're like a dirt bag's like a climber that lives in a van or a climber that lives in a park and they camp in the park for the climbing season and then they go to another park and they're like you'll see people one thousand dollars like jackets, like puffy like down jackets, and they're absolutely trashed, like holes taped up like they've slept in them on the side of a rock, like just terrible. And then you go and you see their climbing equipment. It's like it looks like it's brand new. There's scratches from use, but you're like, wow, this gear is like really clean. So it being shoved in and all dirty. I was like, Okay, this is odd. So yeah, So I'm seeing how people in this community that we're talking about might actually be people that could have some solid Bigfoot encounters. They're going around to these areas that are potentially remote, and I just go and go and go, and they're out there quite a bit.

15:12 Bigfoot society will be right back after these messages, so I'll have to keep that in mind when I'm looking for people to talk to in the future. But it sounds like you're into the Bigfoot thing now, And did you ever after this encounter, maybe years in the future, did you ever look back at this area, this Red River Gorge and research it and see if there's other sightings that have happened in the same area or other Bigfoot encounters.

15:56 Yeah, so I've checked Kentucky is why in itself I checked pretty extensively, like like later on, and was like, Okay, yeah, this area has some sort of activity. The BFRO website lists stuff in that area. It's I feel like that. I feel like the updates on the no disrespect of the BFRO, but I feel like some of the updates they either don't get logged or I don't know what their influx is. So it's hard to like pick off of just that map, which I think a lot of people do. The Bigfoot Map project, like that website seems to have more and that whole entire area is I mean, it's packed.

16:42 There's a lot when you're down there. Once you get into some of the spots, most of them are readily accessible, like they're really easy to get into, but there are ones that are still mildly secret or not visited because the approach is so hard, Like you're walking for an hour with a ton of gear, and it's the likelihood of having an encounter with anything that's abnormal or not potentially an hour realm is it's got to be pretty high. Just because the area is wild, they're still finding this one area in Red River Gorge.

17:25 It has been established in climbing for a long time. I know guys that have been going down there since the sixties seventies. They're still finding stuff to this. Day that no one found and they're like, oh, yeah, this is an entirely new area. In climbing areas, you're not developing like a small area. The goal is to develop as much as possible for people to come in. So you know, like, it's pretty wild. If you look at the mapping project site and you trace the area, that thing is like full red, like it's it's there's a lot. There's a lot from what I can.

18:05 Tell, Yeah, absolutely that that is a great resource as well. And the other thing I usually do is if there's states that have state specific resources, I will check that. So Kentucky you had the KBrO Yeah, and so that's a great resource as well their YouTube channel and other website too. But you had this experience at Red Reverie Gorge, which is a really interesting that that could kick it off. But did that kick off things for you right after that or was it still a while until you got to the point where you're like, I think I'm going to try to figure this out. So really everything ramped up when I came to Saint Louis.

18:49 I think, personally, I think that there there's two realms that affect what a what you experience and be how or where you experience it. I think in the email I told you, I think I feel like intent has a lot to do with it, and I. Think that. Focusing on the stuff has an effect as well. So I didn't really start focusing until I came here. And Missouri in general, it's like Illinois has a ton. There's a ton of sightings all over. There's a spot that we would climb in Shawnee, this area called Alto Pass really famous, like bouldering spot. Bouldering is a type of climbing you do with no ropes. You basically land on a small foam mattress. We call it a crash pad.

19:47 But that area is highly it's high traffic. There's a lot of people that go there, but it's really isolated. Like from Saint Louis, it's two hours two and a half hours depending on the way. And once you get down there, yeah, you'll see a ton of people camping or climbing, but people don't camp down there. They go to the state park and camp in you know, the state park. So if you stay in the area. I've personally stayed in the area, and I mean it's like really wild out there. I think there's a lot that happens there. But also too, I personally believe that like the type of earth that you're around and the type of stone that you encounter may have some sort of effect.

20:35 Indiana's limestone. Ohio's a lot of limestone, until you get south Ish Illinois is a lot of bullet sandstone. There's some sandstone in Indiana, but it's not a lot, and it's not like these massive runs of it. There's a ton of it in southern Illinois, Missouri and Saint Louis. And part of the reason I started to pay attention a little more here is because there's a lot of granted, there's a lot of red and pink granite, which for where we're at climbing wise, like geographically, yeah, it's whatever, Like there's probably granted there's a band obviously, but where we're at Saint Louis and Missouri and where these hotspots that I feel like some of these hotspots are for not just bigfoot, like people have paranormal people have UAP UFO, cryptid stuff. It all seems to happen around a lot of dense concentrations of certain So for me, We're going to a spot and it's all pink granite, and I'm like, why is there pink granite here? We go to another spot that's just a little bit farther, same thing, pink grantite.

21:49 There's a have you heard of Marley Woods? Yeah? I think you have. I feel like I remember So hearing this in an episode. Yeah, it's a thing where. So summary is it's skin it's a skinwalker ranch of Missouri, and the location is not entirely known. Yeah, you can do your own. Research and you can find it more than likely. Yeah, I think it's out there, but it's pretty wild with Bigfoot and UFO and all sorts of weird stuff. Yes, yeah, that area. There's another spot that's around that area called Piedmont, which is like Missouri's UFO capital. I think things really started to ramp up when I started paying attention to the some of the UFO stuff that was happening around here.

22:42 Through that, I was like, Okay, maybe like you can experience these things, like the intent is there. Hey, look, I'm you put it out in a wherever, whatever you believe in, whatever you think is helpful, controlling or overseeing everything everybody's got there. You know, some people stick to this thing, some people stick to this thing. That's fine. I think the intent has a lot to do with it. So I started paying attention more to the UFO area when I moved here, because I was reading a lot of the Encounter stuff and listening to like podcasts and being like, man, this is crazy, Like there's a cluster here and there is a massive concentration of multiple things that keep happening, and it's really close to the Saint Louis area to an extent. And so yeah, that's it.

23:32 That was long and winded, but to the point I really didn't start paying attention until I moved here. I started going You had had had an interview with another gentleman from south of Saint Louis who had mentioned a spot that I frequent a lot, like a lot, like sometimes three to five times the week, depending Sometimes I'll go to one area and then nothing's happening there because this other area that's really close, same thing. Weldon Springs is the area. It's not secret. If you look at Saint Louis, like the map of encounters that people have had, Weldon Springs is one of them.

24:16 Weldon Springs is a super weird area. There is rock, as far as I can tell, it's not granted, I believe it's sandstone, but it has there's some anomalies there because of some work that was done during the war that I think may have opened this area up to be like a hotspot to an extent, there is that. I don't know if you're familiar with that story when that whole thing, but if you start doing research on Weldon Springs, you're like, Okay, yeah, this makes sense. There's a lot of energy that's focused in that one area and there was for a long time.

24:57 Yeah, so what you're saying is that and are you saying during so something happened during wartime efforts where it pretty much open it opened a window area or focused energy. My best educated guess, I would say maybe a window. It feels to me when I'm out there, it feels like a constant. There's you pick up these like little blips like you're like, oh yeah, I heard this, which like for speak like you hear like the trees move and everything like that. But I personally feel like this area is concentrated and it may be like a window.

25:44 I don't know if it's open constantly, and I also don't know if it's just now. It's really hard for me to find like solid info that's not all on the big Foot websites, you know what I mean. Like you hear stories, but there's a lot of people that still won't talk about stuff, which is what's great about your podcast because you have people from the sixties that are like, yeah, like I had an issue this or this happened. I've never told anybody, So. Listening to that and like hearing stuff, I was like, maybe I can do you know, a deep dive search and try to find out what's going on or find people that have stories. And there's not a lot. So you're getting a lot of secondhand encounters, like even through a website, like someone's report is direct from what the individual said. But there's it's really hard for me to believe that there's those encounters and those like ticks on the map are the only ones that are happening.

26:51 No, they're absolutely. Yeah, so this area wild in Springs. Yeah, so they were basically making what's the best way. Is to say this, there's a whole area there that has a giant dome that basically covers the entire leftover byproduct of munitions manufacturing. But yeah, the Weldon Springs Interpretive Site is what I believe it's called. It's literally this massive dome the locals call at the moon. It's covered in rocks, so it's like a dome of concrete that just covers like nuclear trash.

27:32 Let's just say that. We'll do that as like the short form easy way to explain it. If you want to research, it's really not hard to find out everything that's happened in that area. And the thing that really intrigued me was. There's a start date where everything started to happen and it's continued and it's never stopped. Like essentially, they started manufacturing material there and it wiped out these entire three towns. People like still now people are like there's like really high spikes of like cancer, and it's like, you know, in my opinion, it directly connects to all of that stuff.

28:14 There is some this is conspiracy. Wise, and I don't really like to delve into conspiracy stuff. It's kooky realm, and I don't think scientifically it's the best thing to pay attention to, sure, but there there was a definitive start date for military presence there as well. There's a base like a training base is what they call it. The Army Corps of Engineers has a training base right there, right next to the spot called the Moon, right next to we Weldon Springs, there's a massive thirty three lake nature preserve. The timing of when it's open and when it's closed is really odd to me.

28:59 And the same thing for. This other part that's not included in the nature preserve. They have a heart open and a hard close every single day, which is really odd to me. In my opinion. I feel like there's potentially some something. In this area that needs monitoring. And the best way to do it was to put the Army Corps of Engineers there. And just be around the area. It's pretty vast, but. From Saint Louis, if there's no traffic, it takes twenty five minutes from downtown.

29:44 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages, I. Believe from the arch to there is like maybe thirty five. Yeah, it's just it's just odd. It's a really weird area that kind of falls into this whole Missouri's cookie place, and a lot of weird stuff happens here. It's there's really a if you draw a line from Weldon Springs to where Marley Woods is We'll say allegedly where Marley Woods is, right, it's a pretty straight line if you tick all the if you look at a map and you look at this one area and you look at the cluster of sidings for UFO stuff and cryptids and everything, if you draw some lines on a map, like everything seems to meet up around a cluster of a certain type of rock, really and the yeah, it's that's the part that really got me. So like the Missouri having granite in general is extremely odd in my opinion. I know, if I, you know, did twenty four hours worth of research on how Missouri got pink granite, I'm pretty sure I would find out how. You know, it's definitely documented

31:17 and it's out there. But the thing that really gets me is all of these areas where those that certain concentration of granite is where a lot of the weird stuff happens. Marley Woods is really crazy close to a band of granite, of pink granite. There's another spot called Elephant Rock has been featured on a TV show and people talk about it here and there, but it's literally it's like someone took a ton of giant, round, red or pink granite boulders and just dump them there. And the whole area is pretty isolated, small still like rural communities.

32:02 There's a lot of mining that goes on right next to that area, which is also a red flag for me. Yeah, it's I don't know. I don't know if it's just because of the rock. I don't know if it's because of the earth that was moved for whatever reason, whether it be mining, whether it be like manufacturing materials, or if a if for some reason, like in a glacier at one point came through here and pushed all this stuff up and maybe affected that line in the universe. There's I'm gonna try, I'm gonna there are certain things that overlap into the UFO realm and also like the Magic Realm, which we won't get into. But there's a line called the thirty seventh Parallel.

32:52 Oh yeah, sure, Yeah, there's a lot of words. Yeah yeah, This whole entire area is pretty close to that. Oh is it really okay? Oh? Wow? Yeah. And the other thing too, Like in the you hear about flowing water as a conduit in the realm of magic, and we're surrounded by rivers. Literally, Weldon Springs runs directly next to a river Saint Louis in Illinois are I mean a huge rivers right there, directly next to that river. If you go fifty miles each way from the river, if you drew a line dead straight in the middle, like this is the divide location from that PenPoint fifty miles east, fifty miles west, fifty miles north, fifty miles south.

33:39 It's there's constantly something going on. There's a spot called Lebanon, Ohio or Illinois, sorry, and there's a gentleman out there. He lives on a farm and he has uap let's say, slash ufo sidings almost every day consistent, never at the same time, sometimes at night, sometimes in the day. But that's forty two miles from here, Like it's and he's constantly seeing this stuff. People around this area, I mean they have it's it's really wild. That's the thing that gets me is like it's not just Bigfoot. It's not just you know, like these locations are haunted. There's people folklore and like stories attribute a lot to an area, but there's stuff popping up constantly that's new that people are experiencing. What's really got me hooked is like it's not old stories. It's not regurgitated story from someone else that they heard from their uncle who saw something twenty years ago. It's like direct stuff that's currently happening. And to go back to your question, I think that there is potentially a window or a portal or something.

34:59 I don't know. I don't know. The point of energy thing to me is like maybe to an extent, but you would think that you would feel it if. That were the case. Yeah, there's a few. Like Mount Shasta. People talk about Shasta all the time. They're like, oh, there's this you feel the energy, You feel the energy Like that to me is yeah, there's some really crazy stuff going on there and everybody's like paranormal realm. That's like the hot like you can go there and experience whatever. Oh yeah, Mount Shasta is like the that's like the craziest one that I usually think of is people get sucked in so much they go to that area and then they never leave, which to me is crazy to think about.

35:46 So that, to me, that's pointed energy. It doesn't seem like that's what's happening here. Mount Shasta's it's like the Disneyland of the paranormal. Right it is. Yeah, Skinwalkers like the Universal Studios. Marley Woods is like the Fox Company or whatever. I have a few questions. I want to get in real quick. Pink Granted, that to me is very fascinating. It's nothing I've really heard of before. But it makes sense because, yeah, your focus is going to be on what you're climbing on. So are there maps where you can look at where other huge deposits of this are around the US? I would look right now, but my internet has mysteriously gone out and love that.

36:30 But yeah, you we'll get some interference here at some point I will say that you'll notice it just a precursor. Yes, So to answer your question, there's a really famous everybody's going to use this website too. It's called Mountain Project. Right. There's backcountry, which is like the hiking realm. I think that's what it's called. Like the hiking If you want to look at trails you use, yeah, backcountry, So if you want to look at climbing stuff, you use Mountain Project. And Mountain Project is essentially a database where if you find an area of rock, you can record that location.

37:14 You can record all of the climbs that are in that the climbing routes that are in that area. You can record the rock, the time that you can go there, whether that the land is restricted or closed or public access is what we call it. You can, I mean, you can do anything. You can search like I want to climb I want to climb bullet sandstone, I want to climb limestone, I want to climb marble, I want to climb this. You can search that entire website and it'll give you pinpointed directions to almost every single location. So I initially I was using that to be like okay, like where else. That's where I notice these lines, like you could call them way lines whatever you want to me.

37:58 They're more like a currency lines, like you follow these lines and there's like an occurrence here, and there's a currency here in this and this and this. So yeah, so at mountain project dot com you can all cool app It's vast though, like it's and it's updated constantly. It's also very weird to see areas that have certain types of rock where there's been access, and then you can cross reference to incidents that have potentially happened, disappearances, people go missing, injuries, and then the area gets closed or restricted. We're getting in the conspiracy realm here. That's not a conspiracy, that's just an observation.

38:38 No, that's an observation entirely. I agree with you, and that you'd mentioned there would be some interference coming eventually. Is that just because we're you're near a certain area. Or but I don't know. No, where I'm at right now is directly in the city. I think that. I think. Electronic interference when commas like this happened, seemed to be a consistent thing. Oh dude, you're telling me we were getting the ass. So you started talking about the one area outside of Saint Louis. It was starting to happen right down. Yeah, okay, so we'll tie this. We'll tie this in just because it adds to the allure.

39:19 So the first time I ever went to Welden Springs, I had listened to the podcast where I believe his name is Michael Scott. He had told a story about taking his father out there and their first trip they had heard, you know, like chatter in the woods. I can't remember if it was like a whoop or like a tree knock or whatever. So I was like, in this place is like really close to an area where I frequent a lot. I'm just going to drive down here. There's a climbing gym out there really close that we go to. And my partner and I was like, Hey, we're going to go check this spot out just to see what happens. So we drove out.

39:59 I did. I hadn't looked at a map really, I just picked like a pinpoint on my Apple Maps or whatever and was like, we'll drive to this location. We were there maybe five minutes. Nothing happened. I went the second time I went out, I drive a newer truck. A lot of the truck is electronic obviously, it's literally like a computer with wheels. I spent some time in the woods. I had some issues with my phone that kind of peaks entrance. I was like trying to find my location and my phone just kept freezing, like completely lagged, which I've never had that happen I've been like miles out at climbing areas where there's no tower and I still have service, where I still at least have like satellite sos.

40:53 I'm here, there's an issue. So in the middle of this area walking on a trail, no big deal, and my phone is just lagging like crazy, can't get off the screen, like can't click the button to go to the home screen, trying to close everything, nothing. So this goes on for a two minutes. I'm just standing there like I have no clue where I'm at what's going on. So I'm like, that's odd. I do the trail line, I get in my truck and I plug all. My stuff in. I'm still I've only been in Saint Louis a year, so I'm very new directions wise. So I plug my phone in, I type in the GPS to get me home, and I start driving. And I noticed that there was a lot of traffic for whatever reason. So I took a back route like a back road's like not the main highway. And my everything in my truck, the my my navigation screen, all the dials, so you know, everything everything even down to like my whether or not my seatbelt is plugged in, Like everything goes black, so screen, like the heads up dial for like speed, my headlights all shut off.

42:05 I'm on the phone with. My partner and that conversation just abruptly ends because there's nothing but my car. I'm still able to drive. I'm not exactly sure how because this truck has essentially electronic steering, but literally everything shuts off. So that was theirs the second time I went, and that was the first time I had issues with any type of like tech. I tried to dumb it down and like spent majority of that evening trying to figure out what could have caused it. I called the dealership the next day and they were like, we've never heard of that. We have no clue. That's super weird. If it happens again, you might want to bring your car in. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's at twenty twenty three, so it's not old.

42:55 So yeah, that happens. So this radio interference thing, or the communication and interference, I think it's pointed because of I don't know if people are like, yeah, I'm being watched. I don't think I'm being watched. There's no thought like that in my mind. But I do think that there's other realms in our world that could potentially want to hinder or slow communication of these things happening between people, and especially when it comes to a mass like hey, yeah, look like this is what happened to me. We might have some issues and then you know you're sharing it. And however, many people listen to your podcasts are like, that's a lot of that's a lot of travel, and that's a lot of intent, and that's a lot of focus. It's an issue that yeah, it's enough, like you hear clicks, like yeah, and I know this from the graffiti realm, which we can get into, but if you know what you if you're aware of what happens if someone's listening to you, you know what to listen for if except hopefully yeah yeah, so like you get the clicks, you get the buzz, your phone dumps completely, like battery wise.

44:14 Yeah. So yeah, that's a whole realm and the interference thing. For me personally, I think it goes back to a I think that people pay attention and the right people pay attention because something is apparently going on and I don't want to get into the conspiracy, like yeah, there's like a giant cover up or whatever, because we just don't know. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

44:57 Logic like, we have no explanation and no idea whatsoever. From my intrigue into the Magic realm and the UFO realm, there's a really prominent guy. He's a doctor. He's a leader in many ways of as far as the ideas of what's going on in the UFO realm, and he regularly talks about, Uh, there's a whole other force that's paying attention, and they'll do whatever it takes to just erase it if they need to, Like they'll they'll kill the call. They'll if you're on the phone, if you're texting about it, like something may happen and it's you know that's like that boils into like surveillance or whatever.

45:43 Yeah, there's the same stuff like that has happened. Yeah, so I totally get you get what you're saying for sure. It's a very interesting conversation once you start focusing on it. Yeah. Yeah, this guy too has a really important book in my opinion, where he through some math, you can potentially predict or intercept the let's just say that the high strangeness realm he has. He's pretty convinced, And now at this point, I'm pretty convinced that there's a mathematic code that allows you to essentially pinpoint pretty close where people are going to see UFOs, where people are going to see cryptis, where people may have experience with Bigfoot. That's a whole nother realm to get into, and it's really crazy and it doesn't really make sense because it's very confusing, but once you get it, you're like, holy crap, this could potentially be something real. So yeah, we'll leave that part at that. If you have questions about it.

46:48 Yeah, what's what's the name of that book? That sounds pretty wild. So yeah, here, I'll just give all the info so that his name is doctor Alan Greenfield. Oh yeah, yeah, he has yep. Yeah. So so people are gonna hear it and they're gonna be like, yeah, that's it. Secret Cipher of the Euphonants is his book, and it talks about that. The book focuses on a cipher that allows you to, I don't want to say predict, but potentially encounter everything in the in that's not really of our realm, you know, our world he's a former. He's still a magician. He's a former occult magician for a very prominent occult society. He no longer deals with them because they're pretty kooky, like most of them are. But that book and where that cipher came from and all the information in it is it's like when you start adding everything together and looking at stuff and really searching, like it's really hard to not be like, holy crap, Like this thing is legitimate, Like this cipher makes sense.

48:12 And Greenfield is like it's here listening. And reading about him and reading stories that he tells are like it's yeah, skepticism is massive. But when you start paying attention and then listening and reading and researching and figuring out this cipher, like the potential for things to happen in our realm experience wise seems to peak a lot. And that I mean, that book is it's mind blowing. It's really confusing. But I think there's some legitimacy to his claim to an extent, you know, the dude basically is yeah, he's like, I can essentially predict when and where on what day, at what location, almost down to the exact time where someone's going to have an encounter with a UFO and you use the cipher and you understand how to use it, and you learn this and then you have like you look back historically and you're like, holy crap, Like this code basically corresponds directly to this incident with this person. Yeah, it's that's a whole nother that's like a ten part interview about that realm on its own.

49:38 That sounds like, yeah, like a real big rabbit hole you could go down, which would be very interesting potentially. Yeah, gotcha. But with that being said, he has a lot of interference that comes through during his interviews that are recorded, and I hear it more and more pretty regularly now, and it's not just from him. So yeah, so electronic interference from whatever is, you know, definitely a thing. Let's just chalk it up to that. Absolutely. Yeah, we got a question for you, and that was that was a fascinating side conversation. I didn't know we were going to go there, but I'm glad that we did. Thinking over all the different things you've experienced, what do you feel is the closest that you may have been to a bigfoot over the years.

50:28 So one hundred percent, Weldon springs. It's really crazy. I'll tell you this story. It actually involves my son and my mother as well, which and my mom's dog, which is this just made everything, Like the story that leads up to it, the experience and then the experience with them at a later date really solidified everything for me that there's potentially something here. So there's a point on the trail. The trail is the lowest and Clark trail. There's a point where the trail runs through and it's short. It's this is the thing that really killed me about it too. There's a parking lot. There's a trail that walks straight in the woods. It takes maybe twenty minutes to get to the end of it. If you want to keep going, it goes you'll walk for an hour and a half. I had an issue where I was walking through this portion trail and there's a lot of I'm not going to call these tree structures because that's a giant leap, but there's a lot of really we'll call it odd growth for trees. So there's a lot of really odd growth in this one area. And I mean it's if you see it like you it's like walking down a tunnel of trees that are all intertwined.

51:47 They almost look like they've been manipulated to encapsulate certain portions of the trail, and then it's only in this short area. The first encounter or instance. That I had, I was on my way back from the end of the trail, so heading back towards my vehicle in the parking lot, I go into the woods pretty regularly. I take, you know what everybody else takes. It's dark at this point. I'm walking back and I feel and it started as a feeling, and this was the thing. That made me pay attention. It started as a feeling.

52:29 I was like, this is odd, Like it feels like something's walking with me on my left and right. People would call that flanked. I think it's based off of how the trail is laid out. It's dense foliage pretty much directly next to the trail in this one area, and then it opens up into trees. So I'm walking through this area and I feel this like I feel like something's there, like someone's there, or there's an animal or around me. And during the walk, I could hear to my left and my right what sound like footsteps, so like something on the left and the right is following me, and you hear people are like, yeah, I walked, and I took ten steps and I stopped, and then I went a little faster and I stopped, really roughly the same thing that's happening all day long. So I'm walking through and I keep hearing this, and I stop, and I'm like, okay, cool, let's just see what happens.

53:30 I carry two compasses with me for a couple reasons. I won't dive into that and why. But I pulled out both compasses. No magnets anywhere nearby, my phone's not by me. I purposely hold them as far away from my body as I can to try to, you know, limit the potential of any type of static interference. And they're both spinning, but they're spinning opposite ways of each other and at different speeds, and they're not the same compass, but they're the same it manufactured by the same company. And yeah, it's just super weird. So I hear these footsteps, I feel like somebody's following me. I pull the compasses out and they're just rotating, and I'm like, okay, it's just time to go, so calmly put my stuff away, keep going, and whatever was to the left and the right followed me to the point where this heavy foliage stops and from there it's like a two minute walk to the car. Yeah, so that was the first thing.

54:38 That was the thing that really I was like, this is super odd. There's no reason for any other animal to do this. It does not sound like a human. There's no noise other than like the faint like step, and it's purposeful, there's intent to not be heard, but you still hear it because it's the w The other thing about Weldon Springs it's really odd is everyone is out of there at night. Very rarely do I ever see anyone go in after dark. And once you get into this one area, it is like dead quiet. No bugs like, no chirps, no squirrels, like no, you don't hear anything. You might get like some tree rustle from squirrel or like I saw an armadilla walking around, but he's like super quiet. So the whole entire area is just like dead quiet, which is really odd to me.

55:39 So yeah, that, like you, it was enough to where I could hear that I was being potentially followed or to an extent like escorted out. Does that make sense? Yeah, No, it absolutely does. And I did want to clarify and some this. So when you got to the park where there was the foliage turned into a space where there was nothing, it stopped before going into that area, right, okay, wow? Yeah, which is which that? And that was like a giant like red flag to me because if something's following you and you can't see them to the left and the right, but then you get to the point where you could look and see and it stops, that's that's full blown intent. Like some people would stay say, that's like predator stalking to an extent, like an animal is going after prey and it's it knows that it can't be seen here, but it also knows that once it gets ten feet down the trail, it has to stop or it's going to reveal itself.

56:46 So yeah, that was the first thing that really ticked it for me where I was like, there's something going on. So the second time I was with my family, my mom has a rescued half border call half Australian shepherd maybe to or no, maybe a sheep dog, I can't remember. He's really cool, he's she we rescue him from some crazy people. So he's super quiet. He doesn't bark. He's tiny. He's not tiny, but he doesn't weigh enough to where he makes a ton of noise. The same thing we go in. We walk to the end of the trail.

57:29 I had done some stuff to try to get a to see if I could get some sort of response, and we'll I'll talk about that after the fact, because it's a whole explanation as well. So we're on our way back. My kid is at the very end, my mom is in between us with her dog, and I'm up front, and I'm like, hey, it's a narrow like we'll go through here and we're all hearing the same exact thing basically at the same exact time or the same exact point in the trail as a start point where the foliage is thick, and. The same thing happens. We're walking out, we keep here and stuff, we keep stopping, and it's like, what's going on? This is crazy wild.

58:13 The dog was the thing that really had me pay attention a little more at this time. He doesn't he walks in front. He pulls when he walks because he's just you know, he's a rescue and probably didn't have a great life initially. But he wasn't walking ahead anymore. While this was happening, he was trying to coil around my mom's legs, like with his he's on a leash, he's not free, and he's it's almost like he knows something's going on, and he's trying to get as close as possible, and my mom's, hey, you have to walk him. I'm going to trip. And at this point we're.

58:54 Walking with no lights, like no lights at all, and the dog is you know, it's creating has or from my sweet mother. So I'm like, yeah, give him to me. So I'm like, maybe he's just like concerned or whatever. But then he starts like really coily when we get towards the end of the thick and now he's wrapping around me and he's like pressing his entire body weight into me, like something is startling him or making him uneasy. So I'm like, okay, we just got to stop. So we stop. Same thing. We don't hear any movement, we don't hear footsteps, you don't hear breathing. There's no communication. There's no other sound from any animal anywhere. It's so quiet. That there's a shooting range a couple miles away. It's so quiet in this one point or in this area where I can hear the shots that are far like far, and I'm like, okay, this is It's just super weird at this point.

59:57 So we stop. We hang out for a few seconds, attention, walk a little more, same thing. The dog is coiling. Stop again, and this just continues until we get to the very end of where the foliage is and we get past that point. Dog is totally fine, like smiling, happy, tail wagging, no coiling, just normal. We get back to the car, We're ready to go, no issues. So and this is literally within a week's time that this is happening. I the only people that know, just to try to clear skepticism. Big for the society who will be right back after these messages.

1:00:53 I don't tell anyone other than my partner where I'm going and when I'm going, and I don't communicate that I'm there or was there until afterwards. I'm trying to, like as much as possible, limit the potential for some interaction from someone else trying to you know, scare me, your hoax or whatever you know. So, yeah, those two things were the really big things for me out there initially, and then it's just keeps getting bigger, gots. Some wild stuff. It makes me want to look more into that area for sure. I'm sure once this get out gets out there, there's going to be people that reach out that are like, yeah, he's not the only one to experience weird stuff in that area.

1:01:40 It's probably whyse Yeah, it's I see hunters regularly and they're literally like everyone's the part. The area closes. At ten in the fall and ten thirty in the summer, the same with the Nature Preserve. The Moon area, which is really close, like less than a mile away, closes at dusk. The time is. Really odd to me. There's no reason that you couldn't be out in these woods. As long as you're adequately equipped, you have enough light, water, whatever. You could walk through these. Woods for miles and not really have any issues if you carry a firearm like, same thing, Like, there's no reason that you couldn't be out there. But everybody leaves almost as soon as it gets dark. In the past two months that I've been out there, I've seen one car stay later than I was, and it's a person that I've seen on the trail and in the parking lot before, and that's the only time I've ever seen anyone.

1:02:45 Stay later than I. It's super odd to me that the timing is really odd to me, and that time being placed there for whatever reason is really intriguing. You don't just pick, like why would you not say the park closes at Why go to ten pm? Like why push to ten thirty in the summer. Is there potentially something going on later that someone's trying to prevent people from being in the woods or in this area past a reasonable hour. It's just it's super weird to me. Yeah, it makes you wonder. And this is not an area where you can camp overnight. It sounds like.

1:03:27 No. So there's a trail that runs through there, and I believe the previous guests that talked about the area mentioned it. It's called the Katie Trail. It's a trail that runs all the way through Missouri. People run on it, they ride their bikes. There are camping locations on that trail, But through all the research I've read, it's highly suggested that you are in those areas before nine pm, which is also really odd. R's that's so weirder, dude. Yeah, it's like they want you like if you're I raced bicycles for a really long time. I raced all over the country. I've ridden thousands of miles, thousands of hours. At all times when I was racing at my highest peak, I was training in the evenings, like I would ride my bike until midnight. Some night, you know, I would be out on gravel trails until ten, eleven, twelve, sometimes one am.

1:04:26 That this one stretch of this area, everything's get in before ten in your camp, out of the park, everything is before ten. It's super odd, and I can't figure out why. I've talked to I talked to one US for Service person I found out there or I saw, and I was like, hey, do you know why this area closes at ten? And this individual was like, I have no clue. That's how it's been for a long time. And he was like, we're regularly told if we see people to be like you got to get out. Park closes at ten or the area closes at ten. It's just crazy odd. You can't park in. I guess if you wanted to do like super stealth camping, you could have a drop off go out there camp all the way through the evening and essentially blend in the daytime without anybody really noticing. But I can't find any signs of anyone camping out there at all, which is also odd to me.

1:05:34 Yeah, and definitely I'm not telling you to do that. Allegedly. Yeah, it's yeah, it's been. The thought has crossed my mind almost every single time I'm out there. I'm like, I should just stay and see what happens. But then, you know, who knows what the ultimate consequence for that is. Yeah, I would be. I will say this, I would not be surprised if some sort of park ranger or law enforcement showed up and if they saw a vehicle, they would probably go in and be like, hey, you got to leave. You can't camp here, you know what I mean? So who knows, Maybe it'll happen one day, probably not allegedly.

1:06:23 Exactly have you gone to you brought up Marley Woods earlier? Have you been there or is it just a place that you've researched into. No, So it took me a pretty I haven't been there. It's taken me a pretty good time for a pretty good amount of time to find the actual location it's doable. You just have to dig, That's all I'm gonna say. But the goal is to go to the vicinity. The main issue with Marley Woods, it's very from what I can tell through research, it's not accessible A and B.

1:07:04 You stick out like a sore thumb if you're not from there, which makes it hard to try to go in illegally to an extent. Maybe someday I'll get some crazy call and someone will be like, hey, yeah, come through here. You can see what happens. So no, have not been. Will I try to go potentially, who knows. But that area is not the only area or that location is not the only location in that area that has issues. And that's something that a lot of people don't realize. Yeah, yes, you hit it on the head because what people just like you said, people don't realize that. Okay, the weird stuff doesn't just stay on Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, the whole area is weird. So if you've got this area where it's like a hollow ground or holy ground in quotation marks, and you're like you can't go there, if you can go to the area around it, you're probably just as a good Yeah, I totally agree, with you on that one.

1:08:03 Have you heard of that. We're getting someting some audio feedback. Yeah, there you go. Okay, have you heard of any Bigfoot experiences from around that area? Yeah, there's a couple that are documented. They're not like really out there. It's older stuff. But yes, in short answers, Yes, that whole area has a lot of UFO stuff. And there's that I don't know, it's hard to say yes or no, but there's that theory that Sam squanch out here is potentially tied in with UFO stuff, So it would only make sense to have like both. I just think the whole that whole area, there's got to be something out there that's causing all of this. And I, like you said, skin Walker is not the only spot.

1:08:53 That whole entire you went to. Basin has a lot of odd stuff. Utah is just weird in general. But same with Marley Woods. They're surrounding areas where people have had stuff. There's reports of stuff going back one hundred years from white anomalies. It's not just at Marley Woods. It's a pretty vast If you drew a circle around it, same thing, it's fifty miles each way, like there's issues. Would you ever want to have the opportunity to actually have a visual sighting of a bigfoot? Yes, but and this is a big butt for me.

1:09:36 I don't know if it's beneficial. Yeah, for proof wise, Yeah, cool. Would be sweet to walk into the woods and he's hanging out with his buddies and they're you know, right there, and they're like, yo, hey. My concern with potentially. To have a visual from other areas of interest, my concern is what would happen after. I don't know what the outcome is if people This is one of those things that that's really it's nerve wracking for me, Like people are like, yeah, I want to see it, I want to see it, I want to see.

1:10:19 It, but no one. There's a ton of accounts of people saying, yeah, I've seen them and this happened, but none of them are really the same. It's all different, and some of them are not very good and the aftermath is. Not very good. The hitchhiker thing is a major concern to me. But also I personally think that if you have that and it's not in the best headspace or not at the right time, it could be detrimental, which is probably going to be an unpopular opinion.

1:11:02 But the human brain is vast and I don't know if. Unlocking that realm would be a good thing currently. I think I think later on it might be great to see something. I'm not counting on it. I highly doubt I ever will. It's there's areas of concern for me in that and it plays on a total different realm. Would it be cool? Yeah? Do people want to hear about people seeing Bigfoot or Sasquatch or yetti or you know, a skin walker when dingo or whatever. Yeah, but there's major repercussions that I don't think general population understands when having those interactions. I think it's really important. I told you, like, intent is a big thing. I think that your intentions going in and doing research and being in the field per se, those lead to a lot of experiences. Yeah, it's just it's I don't know, maybe but maybe not.

1:12:19 I think that it could be one of those things. That's potentially so wild that I'm like, holy crap, Like I can't even comprehend this right now. There's a joke I told my mom. She was like, well, what happened if you saw one? And I was like, I'd probably just be like, holy crap, like you're right there, but what happens after the fact. I think if I with further research, I'm more comfortable to that. But I'm not counting on it, and I'm not out here being like I'm going to see one today. I want to see one today, and I think a lot of people do that. I also think actively putting it out there into the ether per se, I feel like there's a timeline and that's a totally different realm to go down, and I don't think currently right now that timeline is the right time to see or have a visual interaction for yourself.

1:13:18 Yeah, I honestly don't. Yeah, it's that's one of those things that I've thought about a lot, and it's really it's a tough thing for me to be like, yeah, that'd be sick because I just don't know if it's within the timeline of where I'm at currently. I don't know how long I'm gonna be here. I'd rather have an interaction long term at if I move. If I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna move to here, I'd rather have that interaction somewhere where I am based long term okay, and I'm not talking like one or two years. Like if I'm in a spot for ten years and it happens like that's rat, I think the comfort thing is there. That's it makes me uncomfortable to think like I could see something and that's it, like there's no My ultimate goal would be further interaction and investigation to see, like just see one, like yeah, that'd be cool, but that doesn't do anything other than give you the I saw one badge per se right, you know, I want to be in I want to be in the realm where it's I saw one.

1:14:28 I understand why I saw one. I understand geographically where I saw one, and I want to know the exact reason why they decided to say, Okay, you're good to go, you know what I mean. I feel like. It's weird to say, but I feel like they're like, this person's good, go ahead, this person's good to an extent. Maybe just peek out from behind a tree and say what's up real quick and get back in. This person does not need to see you right now. Just just watch from Afar, just chill and hang out from Afar. I don't think that idea or that thought is really like I don't hear it in interviews or read it like people are like, yeah, I just want to see one, like they don't think about all of it as a whole.

1:15:18 From what I've heard over the years, it totally affects the rest of everything. The hitchhiker effect is very real, and that effect can happen even if you don't see one. I think you can be in just in the area and not have a visual and it can still. I think that's a thing I think that is real big for society will be right back after these messages.

1:15:58 So there's one thing that can that people can you know, like, I don't know how many people are gonna listen to this if it's one person, tight, if it's two million, cool and my personally, I think that people need to think outside of the box when it comes to this anomaly. I think there's a lot of I've mentioned it before, there's a lot of like regurgitated stuff that comes up from previous interviews. Someone will listen to someone and then say everything that person said, but as their own words. I feel like, especially in the Bigfoot community, there's a lot of people that really should take the.

1:16:42 Time to look at it. Not not with no input from other people or previous interactions. I feel like people do this and they're like, Oh, I'm doing because I think it's cool, which is great, But I don't think that they're thinking outside of the box on why it's happening, or where it's happening, or who it's happening to. I think there needs to be a lot of a flip in research where people are doing it in a way where it's not just beneficial to them, it's beneficial to everyone as a whole, and it's not for disclosure that will never happen no in any realm. I think people need to look at it for themselves from a different box that they're normally comfortable being in.

1:17:45 I think that if you go out in. The woods and you want to experience this, or you want to potentially see sasquatch, maybe think about it long term and think about why and think about different ways to potentially have an interaction. I personally do a couple of things every single time I go out that other people have done that They've done it in different realms, not the Bigfoot realm, and they've had very real responses to those things that they're doing. Yeah, so yeah, that's yeah, that's a really interesting I think prompt for people to do their own research into.

1:18:28 Because I've had Yeah, that's. A whole other discussion maybe for another time, but I like the way you're thinking there. I've man, I've I've even had that because there's like aliens, there's like CE five and so what if there's something like that for the bigfoot realm? So I don't know. Yeah, I'm not an expert in that. Yeah. Yeah, And it's one of those things too, that's like there's information available, but a lot of it is just recycled and a lot of it has individual in put that's not beneficial scientifically in both realms, in many realms, and I think that's a major issue currently that people need to look at and say, Okay, there's a better approach that's more beneficial for everyone. Why don't we stop doing this and try to do this, or why don't we do it do this thing, but do it in a different way. Intent is I'll preach intent all day long.

1:19:29 If you walk into the woods and your intention is to experience nature potentially have some sort of interaction with whatever's out there, respectfully, understand that you're in their realm. It's not yours. It's that those woods are not ours, like we're just visitors. I think if the intent is focused like that, you could have people would have more beneficial and more long term experiences that other people can be like, Okay, yeah, that makes sense, that's cool. I've never heard that. I wonder why they did that. You know, everybody's like I go in the woods, I whack a tree with a baseball batter a stick three times, and I get a stick knock on a tree. Immediately after I go in the woods, I blast this sound and I'm getting a response. Or I go in the woods and I whistle and I hear a whistle, Like you're just doing the same thing other people are doing. Maybe I've I had the same night my mother and my son and my mom's dog walk out of the woods.

1:20:46 I had. They heard a direct. Response to something I'll call we'll call it a telephone. I make calls with this telephone. Directly after I make the call with this telephone phone, two things happened. Two extremely rap loud knocks between two rocks. So imagine like large pebbles in your hands and you're smacking them one two. I didn't hear that, but my mom and son, who were twenty five yards away from me, heard it clear as day. Immediately after I made another telephone call. Directly after that, a large pack.

1:21:31 Of coyotes just go wild, so loud. But the intent was there to try to get a reaction that is not based off of normal practices. Using the telephone in quotations potentially got the response because it was like, what is this. I've not heard this in this area, I've not heard. This sounded to communicate this thing is here, I don't know what's making the sound. Everybody else pay attention. Does that make sense? Yeah? It does? Yeah? So really yeah, I mean yeah, and I can. I'm willing to share that with you. I don't know if I would like to put it out just yet, because it's very secretive and it's very spiritual, and it's not for everyone. It's called a telephone for a reason. The smart the research challenge that listen might be able to figure out exactly what it is, but it's super powerful, and almost every single time I've used it from that point on, I'm getting consistent responses, and they're not always immediately after, but always within five to ten minutes of making this call. In quotations, big in quotations call.

1:22:55 Yeah, that's that sounds very interesting. Yeah, that would have to be a conversation we have after the call sometime. For sure, we didn't even get into the graffiti room. There's like ten there that. Yeah, LEEVI I think will need to be in touch. That feels there needs to be another conversation down the road. Perhaps there's parts we didn't even get to, but the stuff we went over was definitely needed to be talked about. But I just want to say thank you so much for coming on there. There's a question I always ask, so people are going to probably ask me, is there a way to get in touch with Levi? It sounds like you're probably just wanting to stay under the radar.

1:23:40 No, I'm open to communication. I will say this kind of a hard person to find, which is on purpose. General locations are good. If I'll share contact INFU with you for the general public, I'll provide an email, Okay, but yeah, yeah, I'm not out here being like I'm the only person that's going to do this. I don't want to share my info. There's no point for me to data collect if I'm not actively you know, hey, I'm having this happen. Here, what about you? So yeah, yeah, if people want to reach out, they can reach out. I have very little social media on purpose if.

1:24:24 LEVI, I thank you so much for coming on the show. We're definitely going to keep in touch. We might have definitely a follow up, I would think in the future regarding the graffiti stuff. But man, thank you so much for coming on. I've really enjoyed it. Yeah. Thanks, I really appreciate the opportunity. It's good to know that people care and there's a platform where people are like actively like yo, you should share this like this is wild. Someone needs to hear it. It's good that you're consistently pushing info and data out there. You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment.

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