Dec. 10, 2024

Bigfoot Lives in Weldon Spring | Missouri

Levi, a lifelong outdoorsman and technical footwear product designer, shares riveting experiences from the St. Louis, Missouri area and Indiana on Bigfoot Society. This episode delves into Levi's escalating encounters with Bigfoot phenomena and...

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Season 1

Levi, a lifelong outdoorsman and technical footwear product designer, shares riveting experiences from the St. Louis, Missouri area and Indiana on Bigfoot Society. This episode delves into Levi's escalating encounters with Bigfoot phenomena and unexplained activities during his rock climbing trips and nature adventures. From strange footsteps and mysterious rock knocks to eerie quietness and technical interference, Levi recounts his close calls and theories on the potential 'windows' or energies concentrated in specific geological locations. The discussion also touches on the influence of certain terrains, his unique methods to solicit responses, and the broader implications of encountering these phenomena.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Levi. Levi's an

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individual who reached out to me through email with a

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lot of really interesting things he's going to share. He's

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from down in the Saint Louis, Missouri area, and a

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little bit about him that he provided is he's a

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lifelong outdoorsman. He's been a technical footwear product designer for

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the rock climbing outdoor industry, and he's also twenty five

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year national Graffiti writer, which we'll come into play. It

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sounds like in a little bit, but Leli, welcome to

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the show.

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Yeah, thanks thanks for having me.

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Before we get going, we were talking before the show started,

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and this is going to be an episode where the

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interviewee is a little bit more comfortable with myself asking

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questions and not just letting him talk for an extended

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period of time. So you'll see you'll hear a little

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bit more of me in this one, which is great.

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Is there anything else that we need to know about

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your background besides what I shared before we get going?

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Always just been interested in, you know, the weird or

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the odd.

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I'm originally from.

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Indiana doesn't have a lot of anything, really a lot

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of land, a lot of cornfield, but there's not a

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lot like geographically or the state's kind of the same

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from top to bottom. Were surrounded by minor mountainous areas

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like the kind of the beginning of Appalachia in Kentucky,

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the Ohio River Valley area has some elevation changes, and

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then Illinois to an extent, mainly south. I know these

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things don't dictate what happens around there, but Indiana's always

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had the ghost stories or the hunted house or blah

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blah blah where I'm from. Originally, the only as far

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as I know, with the research that I've done, the

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only kind of bigfoot or sasquatch encounter was in the

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seventies on a stretch of road headed towards Chicago. A

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family either a family or a couple were driving and

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they saw a big foot standing off in the distance

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from the They did provide a mile marker on the highway,

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so I know, like the within a five mile radius,

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and it's really flat.

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It's like Cornfield.

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There's a strip of foliage and tree area that is

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connected to a park.

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So it was always really.

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Odd to me that someone had any type of sighting

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there whatsoever. From Indiana, where I was born originally, I

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moved to southern Indiana and had always heard of stuff

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happening in the woods down there. Bloomington is really famous

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for the IU, which is the college, and there's everyone

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from Wall Street banker eventually to hippies that live in

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the woods, and everybody seemed to have they knew someone

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or were connected to someone that had something happening to

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them in the woods. So yeah, that's where it started.

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Things really ramped up when I moved through traveling as well,

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Like I started noticing things in the woods when I

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would camp or when I would be out on climbing trips.

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I've been round climbing for a long time. I took

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a ten year break and didn't do anything and then

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went headfirst in. And I think I gave you a

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rundown of some of the areas, but a lot of

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national parks, a lot of really secluded areas where no

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one goes because the approach is really hard, and usually

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the times and the dates and the weather dictates what happens.

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be out when there's you don't see people for an

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entire day or two days or three or four, depending

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on how much you're out there. So you blend into

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the woods to an extent, and you just kick up

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on these things that kind of you'll get a blip

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here and a blit there, and you're like, oh, yeah,

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that was weird. And then now I'm thinking about all

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this stuff later on and I'm like, oh, maybe that's

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what that was.

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So yeah, that's where it started.

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Okay, gotcha.

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So you it sounds like you grew up familiar with

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weird stuff happening in the woods around southern Indiana, specifically

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around that college or all those people. Now was this

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were these big foot encounters that were happening down there?

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Yeah, so I had heard.

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I had heard from guys that were in the climbing

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realm down there, and I just had friends and they're like, yeah,

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my dad was in the woods hunting and he saw this.

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Or climbers would be like yeah, we had an entire pack.

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Of stuff.

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That would disappear and show up again in a couple

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of days. So yeah, and Bloomington it's pretty it's not

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there's not crazy elevation change, but there's.

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A lot of woods.

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There's a lot of old woods too, which I think

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plays a pretty key factor in it.

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Now, it sounds like looking back on your life, you're

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realizing things happened earlier that were a little bit weird.

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But can you remember maybe the first time where you're like, okay,

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that stuff that I experienced was definitely some bigfoot activity

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and that kind of opened my eyes.

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Yes, the earliest thing I can remember is down there

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as well. Like I said, I stopped climbing and I

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took a really long break that took me out of

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the woods as extensively as I used to be. I

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remember at one point we were climbing in an area

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in Kentucky that's pretty famous in the climbing world. There's

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not really a reason to hide it. It's known as

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Red River Gorge, so it's the most one of the

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most popular, like sport climbing areas in the United States.

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I remember being on a trip and not directly to

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my group that I was with or my camp, but

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the camp right next to us.

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They had heard.

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What they described as like a bark or a loop,

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like the like you get like the loop in the woods,

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or like a weird sound. And I remember then being like,

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we hear it every time we're down here, and it's

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always in this one area. A lot of that area

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is very isolated, but there's a lot of climbing. Sometimes

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you're walking pretty far and it's you know, you're on

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your own or with your group that they had said

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they kept hearing this same thing over and we you know,

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you get like around a campfire, like before you go

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to sleep, and you start asking questions.

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And I remember.

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In the camp there was one person that was going

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on off separately to their tent area, and I remember

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them being like, I just heard it.

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Again.

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I didn't hear it, but it sparked some concern from

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what I could tell, and I was like, Oh, yeah,

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that's weird, that's crazy.

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I guess that's a thing.

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At this point, I was pretty young, so it wasn't

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like I wasn't like die hard.

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Like paying attention to it.

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But yeah, in a roundabout way, just being in that area,

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I had heard like these people talking about it. And

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then when this was this person went off to their

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little portionally camp to get to their tent and they

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heard this. Like you could see the look on the face.

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There was concern, and they were like, this keeps happening.

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It's very like nerve wracking, and I don't really know

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what it is. Later on that trip, we had a

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trash can that kind of.

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I guess it walked off on its own.

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You could say the trash can didn't hold any food,

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but it held climbing equipment, and in particular it held

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in rock climbing, you use a lot of rope. It

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held a series of ropes and some gear shoved in

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the center. And I remember coming back from the crag,

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which is what everybody calls the spot where you climb,

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and we're like, where's this trash can because it's a

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ton like, it's a lot of gear. It's like a

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like a twenty five gallon can, and there's a rope

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shoved inside, and then there's what we call click draws,

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which are you connect them to the rock so you

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don't fall and die. That's the easiest way. It's a

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safety it's a piece of safety equipment. So the can's gone,

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we can't find it. Everybody does like the grid search.

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Let's like try to walk around and see if we

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can find it. There was no one else around, which

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was the intriguing part to me because in that realm,

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gear does get stolen, unfortunately, but not in an area

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like this that's this relevant. So, yeah, can disappears, we

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can't find it. We go to leave the next day

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at like noon, and the can is sitting like right

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on the edge of our campground. It's there's a pizza

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place down there. If people climb. I'm not going to

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say the name of the pizza place, but if you

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climb in Kentucky and you go there a lot, you

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know where this pizza place is, and you it's like

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super famous. So if people want to search, they can

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search that way. But the can's just sitting on the side,

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like on the very edge, and it's there, and it

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looks like something had pulled all this stuff out and

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shoved everything back in, which doesn't happen in the climbing

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realm ropes or your safety line. So there's a reason

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they don't get dirty to an extent. They do get dirty,

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but not as dirty as this thing. It looked like

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something grabbed it, like dragged it around and then.

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Check all the other stuff and.

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Just shoved it back in all as messy as possible,

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which good climbers don't do. You know, it was odd

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and it didn't really that incident didn't really click until

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later on where I was like, oh okay, this makes sense. Yeah,

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that's where the first thing like where it was like,

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oh yeah, like maybe this is something to pay attention to.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely. How heavy was that was that garbage can?

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Approximately, it's not super heavy, but it's not light enough for.

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You could You don't carry it under your arm.

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It connects to a pack and you carried on your

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back and if you walk a mile with it, like

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you're tired, you feel it.

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I mean, gear's not super heavy. It is in.

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Some realms, but this realm, I don't know a single

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animal that could have.

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Grabbed it.

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Taking it away without dragging the trash can across the ground.

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That was one of the other things was like, there's

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no there, there were no marks of it being like

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dragged like by a coyote or a wolf, for like

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a bear, which I don't think they have in that area.

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It's heavy enough to where you have to carry it

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and you get tired when you're carrying it. But the

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big thing is when the rope and all the safety

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equipment's placed inside, it's placed strategically, you can reach into

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the bucket without pulling out, reach in, grab exactly what

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you need, and pull it out without looking at it.

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So it being shoved back in like.

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The worst possible unorganized way ever is the big thing there.

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It's wait wise, like made twenty two pounds total, maybe

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twenty five, enough to where you would have to carry it,

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you know.

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That's that's very interesting. So it all shoved back in

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by something that obviously didn't have a respect for rock climbing.

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Anyone who had a respect for that would have done it.

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The same way you would.

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Say yeah, and it was like everything was dirty too.

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That's the thing that got me. Like the people that

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I was with on that trip, like.

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They in the.

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Climbing realm when people have gear, they it's like you

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can go in their car and their car is absolutely trashed,

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and you go and you see they call it a rack.

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You go and you see their rack of climbing gear

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and it's like the most organized, clean, like perfect thing ever.

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So it's really funny climbing. The climbing world is crazy.

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It's like you spend thousands of dollars on all this gear,

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and you spend thousand dollars on a car or an

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apartment and.

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It's nine times out of ten.

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Like the gears like pristine, perfect condition, and everything else.

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Is just like this is gross.

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Like they call it dirt bag, Like a dirt bag

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is a climber.

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Yeah, it's funny.

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They're like a dirt bag's like a climber that lives

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in a van or a climber that lives in a

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park and they camp in the park for the climbing

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season and then they go to another park and they're

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like you'll see people one thousand dollars like jackets, like

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puffy like down jackets, and they're absolutely trashed, like holes

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taped up like they've slept in them on the side

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of a rock, like just terrible. And then you go

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and you see their climbing equipment. It's like it looks

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like it's brand new. There's scratches from use, but you're like, wow,

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this gear is like really clean. So it being shoved

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in and all dirty.

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I was like, Okay, this is odd.

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So yeah, So I'm seeing how people in this community

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that we're talking about might actually be people that could

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have some solid Bigfoot encounters. They're going around to these

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areas that are potentially remote, and I just go and

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go and go, and they're out there quite a bit.

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Bigfoot society will be right back after these messages, so

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I'll have to keep that in mind when I'm looking

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for people to talk to in the future. But it

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sounds like you're into the Bigfoot thing now, And did

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you ever after this encounter, maybe years in the future,

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did you ever look back at this area, this Red

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River Gorge and research it and see if there's other

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sightings that have happened in the same area or other

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Bigfoot encounters.

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Yeah, so I've checked Kentucky is why in itself I

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checked pretty extensively, like like later on, and was like, Okay, yeah,

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this area has some sort of activity. The BFRO website

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lists stuff in that area. It's I feel like that.

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I feel like the updates on the no disrespect of

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the BFRO, but I feel like some of the updates

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they either don't get logged or I don't know what

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their influx is. So it's hard to like pick off

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of just that map, which I think a lot of

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people do. The Bigfoot Map project, like that website seems

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to have more and that whole entire area is I mean,

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it's packed.

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There's a lot when you're down there.

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Once you get into some of the spots, most of

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them are readily accessible, like they're really easy to get into,

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but there are ones that are still mildly secret or

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not visited because the approach is so hard, Like you're

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walking for an hour with a ton of gear, and

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it's the likelihood of having an encounter with anything that's

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abnormal or not potentially an hour realm is it's got

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to be pretty high. Just because the area is wild,

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they're still finding this one area in Red River Gorge.

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It has been established in climbing for a long time.

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I know guys that have been going down there since

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the sixties seventies.

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They're still finding stuff to this.

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Day that no one found and they're like, oh, yeah,

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this is an entirely new area. In climbing areas, you're

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not developing like a small area. The goal is to

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develop as much as possible for people to come in.

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So you know, like, it's pretty wild. If you look

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at the mapping project site and you trace the area,

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that thing is like full red, like it's it's there's

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a lot.

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There's a lot from what I can.

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Tell, Yeah, absolutely that that is a great resource as well.

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And the other thing I usually do is if there's

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states that have state specific resources, I will check that.

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So Kentucky you had the KBrO Yeah, and so that's

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a great resource as well their YouTube channel and other

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website too. But you had this experience at Red Reverie Gorge,

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which is a really interesting that that could kick it off.

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But did that kick off things for you right after

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that or was it still a while until you got

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to the point where you're like, I think I'm going

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to try to figure this out.

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So really everything ramped up when I came to Saint Louis.

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I think, personally, I think that there there's two realms

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that affect what a what you experience and be how

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or where you experience it. I think in the email

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I told you, I think I feel like intent has

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a lot to do with it, and I.

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Think that.

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Focusing on the stuff has an effect as well. So

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I didn't really start focusing until I came here. And

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Missouri in general, it's like Illinois has a ton. There's

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a ton of sightings all over. There's a spot that

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we would climb in Shawnee, this area called Alto Pass

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really famous, like bouldering spot. Bouldering is a type of

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climbing you do with no ropes. You basically land on

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a small foam mattress. We call it a crash pad.

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But that area is highly it's high traffic. There's a

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lot of people that go there, but it's really isolated.

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Like from Saint Louis, it's two hours two and a

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half hours depending on the way. And once you get

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down there, yeah, you'll see a ton of people camping

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or climbing, but people don't camp down there. They go

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to the state park and camp in you know, the

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state park. So if you stay in the area. I've

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personally stayed in the area, and I mean it's like

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really wild out there. I think there's a lot that

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happens there. But also too, I personally believe that like

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the type of earth that you're around and the type

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of stone that you encounter may have some sort of effect.

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Indiana's limestone.

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Ohio's a lot of limestone, until you get south Ish

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Illinois is a lot of bullet sandstone. There's some sandstone

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in Indiana, but it's not a lot, and it's not

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like these massive runs of it. There's a ton of

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it in southern Illinois, Missouri and Saint Louis. And part

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of the reason I started to pay attention a little

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more here is because there's a lot of granted, there's

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a lot of red and pink granite, which for where

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we're at climbing wise, like geographically, yeah, it's whatever, Like

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there's probably granted there's a band obviously, but where we're

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at Saint Louis and Missouri and where these hotspots that

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I feel like some of these hotspots are for not

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just bigfoot, like people have paranormal people have UAP UFO,

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cryptid stuff. It all seems to happen around a lot

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of dense concentrations of certain So for me, We're going

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to a spot and it's all pink granite, and I'm like,

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why is there pink granite here? We go to another

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spot that's just a little bit farther, same thing, pink grantite.

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There's a have you heard of Marley Woods?

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Yeah? I think you have. I feel like I remember

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So hearing this in an episode.

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Yeah, it's a thing where.

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So summary is it's skin it's a skinwalker ranch of Missouri,

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and the location is not entirely known.

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Yeah, you can do your own.

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Research and you can find it more than likely. Yeah,

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I think it's out there, but it's pretty wild with

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Bigfoot and UFO and all sorts of weird stuff.

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Yes, yeah, that area.

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There's another spot that's around that area called Piedmont, which

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is like Missouri's UFO capital. I think things really started

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to ramp up when I started paying attention to the

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some of the UFO stuff that was happening around here.

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Through that, I was like, Okay, maybe like you can

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experience these things, like the intent is there. Hey, look,

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I'm you put it out in a wherever, whatever you

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believe in, whatever you think is helpful, controlling or overseeing

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everything everybody's got there.

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You know, some people stick to this thing, some people

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stick to this thing. That's fine. I think the intent

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has a lot to do with it.

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So I started paying attention more to the UFO area

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when I moved here, because I was reading a lot

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of the Encounter stuff and listening to like podcasts and

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being like, man, this is crazy, Like there's a cluster

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here and there is a massive concentration of multiple things

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that keep happening, and it's really close to the Saint

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Louis area to an extent. And so yeah, that's it.

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That was long and winded, but to the point I

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really didn't start paying attention until I moved here. I

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started going You had had had an interview with another

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gentleman from south of Saint Louis who had mentioned a

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spot that I frequent a lot, like a lot, like

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sometimes three to five times the week, depending Sometimes I'll

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go to one area and then nothing's happening there because

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this other area that's really close, same thing. Weldon Springs

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is the area. It's not secret. If you look at

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Saint Louis, like the map of encounters that people have had,

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Weldon Springs is one of them.

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Weldon Springs is a super weird area.

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There is rock, as far as I can tell, it's

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not granted, I believe it's sandstone, but it has there's

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some anomalies there because of some work that was done

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during the war that I think may have opened this

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area up to be like a hotspot to an extent,

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there is that. I don't know if you're familiar with

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that story when that whole thing, but if you start

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doing research on Weldon Springs, you're like, Okay, yeah, this

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makes sense. There's a lot of energy that's focused in

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that one area and there was for a long time.

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Yeah, so what you're saying is that and are you

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saying during so something happened during wartime efforts where it

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pretty much open it opened a window area or focused energy.

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My best educated guess, I would say maybe a window.

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It feels to me when I'm out there, it feels

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like a constant. There's you pick up these like little

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blips like you're like, oh yeah, I heard this, which

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like for speak like you hear like the trees move

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and everything like that. But I personally feel like this

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area is concentrated and it may be like a window.

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I don't know if it's open constantly, and I also

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don't know if it's just now. It's really hard for

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me to find like solid info that's not all on

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the big Foot websites, you know what I mean. Like

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you hear stories, but there's a lot of people that

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still won't talk about stuff, which is what's great about

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your podcast because you have people from the sixties that

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are like, yeah, like I had an issue this or

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this happened.

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I've never told anybody, So.

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Listening to that and like hearing stuff, I was like,

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maybe I can do you know, a deep dive search

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and try to find out what's going on or find

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people that have stories. And there's not a lot. So

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you're getting a lot of secondhand encounters, like even through

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a website, like someone's report is direct from what the

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individual said. But there's it's really hard for me to

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believe that there's those encounters and those like ticks on

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the map are the only ones that are happening.

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No, they're absolutely.

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Yeah, so this area wild in Springs. Yeah, so they

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were basically making what's the best way.

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Is to say this, there's a whole area there that

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has a giant dome that basically covers the entire leftover

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byproduct of munitions manufacturing. But yeah, the Weldon Springs Interpretive

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Site is what I believe it's called. It's literally this

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massive dome the locals call at the moon. It's covered

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in rocks, so it's like a dome of concrete that

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just covers like nuclear trash.

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Let's just say that.

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We'll do that as like the short form easy way

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to explain it. If you want to research, it's really

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not hard to find out everything that's happened in that area.

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And the thing that really intrigued me was.

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There's a start date where everything started to happen and

465
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:58.440
it's continued and it's never stopped. Like essentially, they started

466
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:03.000
manufacturing material there and it wiped out these entire three towns.

467
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.880
People like still now people are like there's like really

468
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.119
high spikes of like cancer, and it's like, you know,

469
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.599
in my opinion, it directly connects to all of that stuff.

470
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.079
There is some this is conspiracy.

471
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:20.319
Wise, and I don't really like to delve into conspiracy stuff.

472
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:25.640
It's kooky realm, and I don't think scientifically it's the

473
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:30.400
best thing to pay attention to, sure, but there there

474
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:37.319
was a definitive start date for military presence there as well.

475
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.920
There's a base like a training base is what they

476
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.880
call it. The Army Corps of Engineers has a training

477
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.000
base right there, right next to the spot called the Moon,

478
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.839
right next to we Weldon Springs, there's a massive thirty

479
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.720
three lake nature preserve. The timing of when it's open

480
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.359
and when it's closed is really odd to me.

481
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.359
And the same thing for.

482
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.480
This other part that's not included in the nature preserve.

483
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.519
They have a heart open and a hard close every

484
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.119
single day, which is really odd to me.

485
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.039
In my opinion.

486
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:20.839
I feel like there's potentially some something.

487
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:24.559
In this area that needs monitoring.

488
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:28.720
And the best way to do it was to put

489
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.920
the Army Corps of Engineers there.

490
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.759
And just be around the area. It's pretty vast, but.

491
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.880
From Saint Louis, if there's no traffic, it takes twenty

492
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.799
five minutes from downtown.

493
00:29:44.400 --> 00:30:03.319
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages, I.

494
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.480
Believe from the arch to there is like maybe thirty five. Yeah,

495
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.279
it's just it's just odd. It's a really weird area

496
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.880
that kind of falls into this whole Missouri's cookie place,

497
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.680
and a lot of weird stuff happens here. It's there's

498
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.160
really a if you draw a line from Weldon Springs

499
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.759
to where Marley Woods is We'll say allegedly where Marley

500
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.920
Woods is, right, it's a pretty straight line if you

501
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.880
tick all the if you look at a map and

502
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.240
you look at this one area and you look at

503
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.960
the cluster of sidings for UFO stuff and cryptids and everything,

504
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.359
if you draw some lines on a map, like everything

505
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:51.200
seems to meet up around a cluster of a certain

506
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.839
type of rock, really and the yeah, it's that's the

507
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.640
part that really got me. So like the Missouri having

508
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:05.559
granite in general is extremely odd in my opinion. I know,

509
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.880
if I, you know, did twenty four hours worth of

510
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:14.039
research on how Missouri got pink granite, I'm pretty sure

511
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.039
I would find out how. You know, it's definitely documented

512
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.640
and it's out there. But the thing that really gets

513
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.680
me is all of these areas where those that certain

514
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:32.119
concentration of granite is where a lot of the weird

515
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:36.200
stuff happens. Marley Woods is really crazy close to a

516
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.599
band of granite, of pink granite. There's another spot called

517
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.519
Elephant Rock has been featured on a TV show and

518
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.279
people talk about it here and there, but it's literally

519
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:53.799
it's like someone took a ton of giant, round, red

520
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.680
or pink granite boulders and just dump them there. And

521
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.200
the whole area is pretty isolated, small still like rural communities.

522
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.960
There's a lot of mining that goes on right next

523
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.559
to that area, which is also a red flag for me. Yeah,

524
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.599
it's I don't know. I don't know if it's just

525
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.279
because of the rock. I don't know if it's because

526
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.920
of the earth that was moved for whatever reason, whether

527
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.480
it be mining, whether it be like manufacturing materials, or

528
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.440
if a if for some reason, like in a glacier

529
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.319
at one point came through here and pushed all this

530
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:33.960
stuff up and maybe affected that line in the universe.

531
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:40.559
There's I'm gonna try, I'm gonna there are certain things

532
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.200
that overlap into the UFO realm and also like the

533
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:48.039
Magic Realm, which we won't get into. But there's a

534
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.480
line called the thirty seventh Parallel.

535
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.559
Oh yeah, sure, Yeah, there's a lot of words.

536
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.640
Yeah yeah, This whole entire area is pretty close to that.

537
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.920
Oh is it really okay?

538
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:00.440
Oh?

539
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:00.839
Wow?

540
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:01.559
Yeah.

541
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.839
And the other thing too, Like in the you hear

542
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:11.559
about flowing water as a conduit in the realm of magic,

543
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:17.119
and we're surrounded by rivers. Literally, Weldon Springs runs directly

544
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.880
next to a river Saint Louis in Illinois are I

545
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:26.200
mean a huge rivers right there, directly next to that river.

546
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.119
If you go fifty miles each way from the river,

547
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.759
if you drew a line dead straight in the middle,

548
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.359
like this is the divide location from that PenPoint fifty

549
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:39.319
miles east, fifty miles west, fifty miles north, fifty miles south.

550
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.240
It's there's constantly something going on. There's a spot called Lebanon,

551
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.680
Ohio or Illinois, sorry, and there's a gentleman out there.

552
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:55.680
He lives on a farm and he has uap let's say,

553
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:01.480
slash ufo sidings almost every day consistent, never at the

554
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.240
same time, sometimes at night, sometimes in the day. But

555
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.159
that's forty two miles from here, Like it's and he's

556
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.119
constantly seeing this stuff. People around this area, I mean

557
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.559
they have it's it's really wild. That's the thing that

558
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.159
gets me is like it's not just Bigfoot. It's not

559
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.960
just you know, like these locations are haunted. There's people

560
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.159
folklore and like stories attribute a lot to an area,

561
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.280
but there's stuff popping up constantly that's new that people

562
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.480
are experiencing. What's really got me hooked is like it's

563
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.960
not old stories. It's not regurgitated story from someone else

564
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.719
that they heard from their uncle who saw something twenty

565
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.559
years ago. It's like direct stuff that's currently happening. And

566
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.920
to go back to your question, I think that there

567
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.960
is potentially a window or a portal or something.

568
00:34:59.039 --> 00:34:59.960
I don't know. I don't know.

569
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.360
The point of energy thing to me is like maybe

570
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.840
to an extent, but you would think that you would

571
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:07.880
feel it if.

572
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:09.280
That were the case.

573
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.159
Yeah, there's a few.

574
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.000
Like Mount Shasta. People talk about Shasta all the time.

575
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.320
They're like, oh, there's this you feel the energy, You

576
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:24.000
feel the energy Like that to me is yeah, there's

577
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.280
some really crazy stuff going on there and everybody's like

578
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:32.519
paranormal realm. That's like the hot like you can go

579
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:33.920
there and experience whatever.

580
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.039
Oh yeah, Mount Shasta is like the that's like the

581
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.199
craziest one that I usually think of is people get

582
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.519
sucked in so much they go to that area and

583
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.119
then they never leave, which to me is crazy to

584
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:46.559
think about.

585
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.400
So that, to me, that's pointed energy.

586
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.599
It doesn't seem like that's what's happening here.

587
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.719
Mount Shasta's it's like the Disneyland of the paranormal.

588
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.199
Right it is.

589
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.280
Yeah, Skinwalkers like the Universal Studios.

590
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.559
Marley Woods is like the Fox Company or whatever.

591
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.760
I have a few questions. I want to get in

592
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.960
real quick. Pink Granted, that to me is very fascinating.

593
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.679
It's nothing I've really heard of before. But it makes

594
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.320
sense because, yeah, your focus is going to be on

595
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.440
what you're climbing on. So are there maps where you

596
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:23.320
can look at where other huge deposits of this are

597
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.119
around the US? I would look right now, but my

598
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:30.519
internet has mysteriously gone out and love that.

599
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.960
But yeah, you we'll get some interference here at some

600
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.639
point I will say that you'll notice it just a precursor. Yes,

601
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.280
So to answer your question, there's a really famous everybody's

602
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.519
going to use this website too.

603
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.119
It's called Mountain Project. Right.

604
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.000
There's backcountry, which is like the hiking realm. I think

605
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.320
that's what it's called. Like the hiking If you want

606
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.360
to look at trails you use, yeah, backcountry, So if

607
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.440
you want to look at climbing stuff, you use Mountain Project.

608
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.079
And Mountain Project is essentially a database where if you

609
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:14.159
find an area of rock, you can record that location.

610
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.880
You can record all of the climbs that are in

611
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.119
that the climbing routes that are in that area. You

612
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.320
can record the rock, the time that you can go there,

613
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.639
whether that the land is restricted or closed or public

614
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:31.559
access is what we call it. You can, I mean,

615
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.199
you can do anything. You can search like I want

616
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.519
to climb I want to climb bullet sandstone, I want

617
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.119
to climb limestone, I want to climb marble, I want

618
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.079
to climb this. You can search that entire website and

619
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:47.199
it'll give you pinpointed directions to almost every single location.

620
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.760
So I initially I was using that to be like okay,

621
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.039
like where else. That's where I notice these lines, like

622
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.159
you could call them way lines whatever you want to me.

623
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.679
They're more like a currency lines, like you follow these

624
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.440
lines and there's like an occurrence here, and there's a

625
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.960
currency here in this and this and this. So yeah,

626
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.679
so at mountain project dot com you can all cool

627
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.719
app It's vast though, like it's and it's updated constantly.

628
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.400
It's also very weird to see areas that have certain

629
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.840
types of rock where there's been access, and then you

630
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:27.320
can cross reference to incidents that have potentially happened, disappearances,

631
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:32.079
people go missing, injuries, and then the area gets closed

632
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.239
or restricted. We're getting in the conspiracy realm here. That's

633
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.400
not a conspiracy, that's just an observation.

634
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.920
No, that's an observation entirely. I agree with you, and

635
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.239
that you'd mentioned there would be some interference coming eventually.

636
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.360
Is that just because we're you're near a certain area.

637
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.840
Or but I don't know. No, where I'm at right

638
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.280
now is directly in the city.

639
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.079
I think that. I think.

640
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:02.239
Electronic interference when commas like this happened, seemed to be

641
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.119
a consistent thing.

642
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.679
Oh dude, you're telling me we were getting the ass.

643
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.119
So you started talking about the one area outside of

644
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.679
Saint Louis. It was starting to happen right down.

645
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.440
Yeah, okay, so we'll tie this.

646
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.840
We'll tie this in just because it adds to the allure.

647
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.119
So the first time I ever went to Welden Springs,

648
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.840
I had listened to the podcast where I believe his

649
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.079
name is Michael Scott. He had told a story about

650
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.760
taking his father out there and their first trip they

651
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.000
had heard, you know, like chatter in the woods. I

652
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.000
can't remember if it was like a whoop or like

653
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.960
a tree knock or whatever. So I was like, in

654
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.039
this place is like really close to an area where

655
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.000
I frequent a lot. I'm just going to drive down here.

656
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.239
There's a climbing gym out there really close that we

657
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.719
go to. And my partner and I was like, Hey,

658
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.039
we're going to go check this spot out just to

659
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.599
see what happens. So we drove out.

660
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:00.000
I did.

661
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.880
I hadn't looked at a map really, I just picked

662
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.320
like a pinpoint on my Apple Maps or whatever and

663
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.199
was like, we'll drive to this location. We were there

664
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.920
maybe five minutes. Nothing happened. I went the second time

665
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.360
I went out, I drive a newer truck. A lot

666
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:23.440
of the truck is electronic obviously, it's literally like a

667
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:24.679
computer with wheels.

668
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:26.599
I spent some time in the woods.

669
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.840
I had some issues with my phone that kind of

670
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.719
peaks entrance. I was like trying to find my location

671
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.800
and my phone just kept freezing, like completely lagged, which

672
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.559
I've never had that happen I've been like miles out

673
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:47.880
at climbing areas where there's no tower and I still

674
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:53.119
have service, where I still at least have like satellite sos.

675
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.519
I'm here, there's an issue.

676
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.000
So in the middle of this area walking on a trail,

677
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.559
no big deal, and my phone is just lagging like crazy,

678
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.679
can't get off the screen, like can't click the button

679
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.719
to go to the home screen, trying to close everything, nothing.

680
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.960
So this goes on for a two minutes. I'm just

681
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.360
standing there like I have no clue where I'm at

682
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:13.400
what's going on.

683
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.880
So I'm like, that's odd.

684
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.079
I do the trail line, I get in my truck

685
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:20.880
and I plug all.

686
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:21.320
My stuff in.

687
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.480
I'm still I've only been in Saint Louis a year,

688
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.400
so I'm very new directions wise. So I plug my

689
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.599
phone in, I type in the GPS to get me home,

690
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.960
and I start driving. And I noticed that there was

691
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.400
a lot of traffic for whatever reason. So I took

692
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.000
a back route like a back road's like not the

693
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:46.559
main highway. And my everything in my truck, the my

694
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.800
my navigation screen, all the dials, so you know, everything

695
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.440
everything even down to like my whether or not my

696
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.639
seatbelt is plugged in, Like everything goes black, so screen,

697
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.639
like the heads up dial for like speed, my headlights

698
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:04.639
all shut off.

699
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.320
I'm on the phone with.

700
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:12.440
My partner and that conversation just abruptly ends because there's

701
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.599
nothing but my car. I'm still able to drive. I'm

702
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:23.559
not exactly sure how because this truck has essentially electronic steering,

703
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.880
but literally everything shuts off. So that was theirs the

704
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.320
second time I went, and that was the first time

705
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.199
I had issues with any type of like tech. I

706
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.559
tried to dumb it down and like spent majority of

707
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.320
that evening trying to figure out what could have caused it.

708
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.639
I called the dealership the next day and they were like,

709
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.440
we've never heard of that. We have no clue. That's

710
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.679
super weird. If it happens again, you might want to

711
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.519
bring your car in. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's at

712
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.199
twenty twenty three, so it's not old.

713
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.559
So yeah, that happens.

714
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:00.840
So this radio interference thing, or the communication and interference,

715
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.360
I think it's pointed because of I don't know if

716
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.360
people are like, yeah, I'm being watched. I don't think

717
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.440
I'm being watched. There's no thought like that in my mind.

718
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:17.239
But I do think that there's other realms in our

719
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:25.400
world that could potentially want to hinder or slow communication

720
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.079
of these things happening between people, and especially when it

721
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:33.159
comes to a mass like hey, yeah, look like this

722
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.679
is what happened to me. We might have some issues

723
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.400
and then you know you're sharing it. And however, many

724
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.840
people listen to your podcasts are like, that's a lot

725
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.199
of that's a lot of travel, and that's a lot

726
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.840
of intent, and that's a lot of focus. It's an

727
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.519
issue that yeah, it's enough, like you hear clicks, like yeah,

728
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.639
and I know this from the graffiti realm, which we

729
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.079
can get into, but if you know what you if

730
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:03.320
you're aware of what happens if someone's listening to you,

731
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:09.039
you know what to listen for if except hopefully yeah yeah,

732
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.960
so like you get the clicks, you get the buzz,

733
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:14.000
your phone dumps completely, like battery wise.

734
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:14.960
Yeah.

735
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.639
So yeah, that's a whole realm and the interference thing.

736
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:24.599
For me personally, I think it goes back to a

737
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.519
I think that people pay attention and the right people

738
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:32.199
pay attention because something is apparently going on and I

739
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.280
don't want to get into the conspiracy, like yeah, there's

740
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.360
like a giant cover up or whatever, because we just

741
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.840
don't know.

742
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.960
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

743
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.440
Logic like, we have no explanation and no idea whatsoever.

744
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:09.800
From my intrigue into the Magic realm and the UFO realm,

745
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.519
there's a really prominent guy. He's a doctor. He's a

746
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.880
leader in many ways of as far as the ideas

747
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:22.079
of what's going on in the UFO realm, and he

748
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.920
regularly talks about, Uh, there's a whole other force that's

749
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.119
paying attention, and they'll do whatever it takes to just

750
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.239
erase it if they need to, Like they'll they'll kill

751
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.559
the call. They'll if you're on the phone, if you're

752
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.320
texting about it, like something may happen and it's you

753
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.599
know that's like that boils into like surveillance or whatever.

754
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.719
Yeah, there's the same stuff like that has happened. Yeah,

755
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.760
so I totally get you get what you're saying for sure.

756
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.039
It's a very interesting conversation once you start focusing on it.

757
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:55.679
Yeah.

758
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.119
Yeah, this guy too has a really important book in

759
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:05.320
my opinion, where he through some math, you can potentially

760
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:12.039
predict or intercept the let's just say that the high

761
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:17.000
strangeness realm he has. He's pretty convinced, And now at

762
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.599
this point, I'm pretty convinced that there's a mathematic code

763
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:27.480
that allows you to essentially pinpoint pretty close where people

764
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.480
are going to see UFOs, where people are going to

765
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.760
see cryptis, where people may have experience with Bigfoot. That's

766
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.239
a whole nother realm to get into, and it's really

767
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:39.079
crazy and it doesn't really make sense because it's very confusing,

768
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.119
but once you get it, you're like, holy crap, this

769
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.840
could potentially be something real. So yeah, we'll leave that

770
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.760
part at that. If you have questions about it.

771
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.320
Yeah, what's what's the name of that book? That sounds

772
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:52.559
pretty wild.

773
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.119
So yeah, here, I'll just give all the info so

774
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.880
that his name is doctor Alan Greenfield.

775
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.559
Oh yeah, yeah, he has yep.

776
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.880
Yeah. So so people are gonna hear it and they're gonna

777
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.880
be like, yeah, that's it. Secret Cipher of the Euphonants

778
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:13.639
is his book, and it talks about that. The book

779
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:22.199
focuses on a cipher that allows you to, I don't

780
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:28.119
want to say predict, but potentially encounter everything in the

781
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.599
in that's not really of our realm, you know, our

782
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:38.880
world he's a former. He's still a magician. He's a

783
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.440
former occult magician for a very prominent occult society. He

784
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.800
no longer deals with them because they're pretty kooky, like

785
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.760
most of them are. But that book and where that

786
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:56.400
cipher came from and all the information in it is

787
00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:01.039
it's like when you start adding everything together and looking

788
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:07.280
at stuff and really searching, like it's really hard to

789
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.320
not be like, holy crap, Like this thing is legitimate,

790
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.320
Like this cipher makes sense.

791
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:19.079
And Greenfield is like it's here listening.

792
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.079
And reading about him and reading stories that he tells

793
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.000
are like it's yeah, skepticism is massive. But when you

794
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:33.039
start paying attention and then listening and reading and researching

795
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:37.559
and figuring out this cipher, like the potential for things

796
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.239
to happen in our realm experience wise seems to peak

797
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.920
a lot. And that I mean, that book is it's

798
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.119
mind blowing. It's really confusing. But I think there's some

799
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.400
legitimacy to his claim to an extent, you know, the

800
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.760
dude basically is yeah, he's like, I can essentially predict

801
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.679
when and where on what day, at what location, almost

802
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.679
down to the exact time where someone's going to have

803
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:16.800
an encounter with a UFO and you use the cipher

804
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.280
and you understand how to use it, and you learn

805
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.960
this and then you have like you look back historically

806
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.960
and you're like, holy crap, Like this code basically corresponds

807
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:33.159
directly to this incident with this person. Yeah, it's that's

808
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:37.320
a whole nother that's like a ten part interview about

809
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:38.679
that realm on its own.

810
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.880
That sounds like, yeah, like a real big rabbit hole

811
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.280
you could go down, which would be very interesting potentially.

812
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.719
Yeah, gotcha.

813
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.679
But with that being said, he has a lot of

814
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.480
interference that comes through during his interviews that are recorded,

815
00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.440
and I hear it more and more pretty regularly now,

816
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.840
and it's not just from him. So yeah, so electronic

817
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.159
interference from whatever is, you know, definitely a thing.

818
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:08.519
Let's just chalk it up to that.

819
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:09.199
Absolutely.

820
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.239
Yeah, we got a question for you, and that was

821
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.199
that was a fascinating side conversation. I didn't know we

822
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.000
were going to go there, but I'm glad that we did.

823
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.079
Thinking over all the different things you've experienced, what do

824
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.039
you feel is the closest that you may have been

825
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.280
to a bigfoot over the years.

826
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.400
So one hundred percent, Weldon springs. It's really crazy. I'll

827
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.519
tell you this story. It actually involves my son and

828
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.440
my mother as well, which and my mom's dog, which

829
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.280
is this just made everything, Like the story that leads

830
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.800
up to it, the experience and then the experience with

831
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.159
them at a later date really solidified everything for me

832
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:56.119
that there's potentially something here. So there's a point on

833
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.480
the trail. The trail is the lowest and Clark trail.

834
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:03.559
There's a point where the trail runs through and it's short.

835
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.760
It's this is the thing that really killed me about

836
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.719
it too. There's a parking lot. There's a trail that

837
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.800
walks straight in the woods. It takes maybe twenty minutes

838
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.480
to get to the end of it. If you want

839
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.920
to keep going, it goes you'll walk for an hour

840
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.559
and a half. I had an issue where I was

841
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:24.280
walking through this portion trail and there's a lot of

842
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.400
I'm not going to call these tree structures because that's

843
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.480
a giant leap, but there's a lot of really we'll

844
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:36.000
call it odd growth for trees. So there's a lot

845
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:41.320
of really odd growth in this one area. And I

846
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.599
mean it's if you see it like you it's like

847
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.199
walking down a tunnel of trees that are all intertwined.

848
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:51.519
They almost look like they've been manipulated to encapsulate certain

849
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:56.159
portions of the trail, and then it's only in this

850
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:56.960
short area.

851
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:04.719
The first encounter or instance.

852
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.480
That I had, I was on my way back from

853
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.559
the end of the trail, so heading back towards my

854
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.320
vehicle in the parking lot, I go into the woods

855
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.000
pretty regularly. I take, you know what everybody else takes.

856
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:23.079
It's dark at this point. I'm walking back and I

857
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.920
feel and it started as a feeling, and this was

858
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:27.000
the thing.

859
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:29.719
That made me pay attention. It started as a feeling.

860
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.079
I was like, this is odd, Like it feels like

861
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.840
something's walking with me on my left and right. People

862
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.920
would call that flanked. I think it's based off of

863
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.400
how the trail is laid out. It's dense foliage pretty

864
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.960
much directly next to the trail in this one area,

865
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.400
and then it opens up into trees. So I'm walking

866
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:56.559
through this area and I feel this like I feel

867
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.800
like something's there, like someone's there, or there's an animal

868
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:06.440
or around me. And during the walk, I could hear

869
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.920
to my left and my right what sound like footsteps,

870
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.599
so like something on the left and the right is

871
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.960
following me, and you hear people are like, yeah, I walked,

872
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.159
and I took ten steps and I stopped, and then

873
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.800
I went a little faster and I stopped, really roughly

874
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.000
the same thing that's happening all day long. So I'm

875
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.639
walking through and I keep hearing this, and I stop,

876
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.639
and I'm like, okay, cool, let's just see what happens.

877
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.440
I carry two compasses with me for a couple reasons.

878
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:39.679
I won't dive into that and why. But I pulled

879
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.840
out both compasses. No magnets anywhere nearby, my phone's not

880
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.519
by me. I purposely hold them as far away from

881
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.280
my body as I can to try to, you know,

882
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.840
limit the potential of any type of static interference. And

883
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.599
they're both spinning, but they're spinning opposite ways of each

884
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.440
other and at different speeds, and they're not the same compass,

885
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:07.639
but they're the same it manufactured by the same company.

886
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.320
And yeah, it's just super weird. So I hear these footsteps,

887
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.760
I feel like somebody's following me. I pull the compasses

888
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.800
out and they're just rotating, and I'm like, okay, it's

889
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.360
just time to go, so calmly put my stuff away,

890
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.960
keep going, and whatever was to the left and the

891
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.519
right followed me to the point where this heavy foliage

892
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.239
stops and from there it's like a two minute walk

893
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.880
to the car. Yeah, so that was the first thing.

894
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.440
That was the thing that really I was like, this

895
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.360
is super odd. There's no reason for any other animal

896
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.199
to do this. It does not sound like a human.

897
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.519
There's no noise other than like the faint like step,

898
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.639
and it's purposeful, there's intent to not be heard, but

899
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.960
you still hear it because it's the w The other

900
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:06.079
thing about Weldon Springs it's really odd is everyone is

901
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.760
out of there at night. Very rarely do I ever

902
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:14.440
see anyone go in after dark. And once you get

903
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:18.920
into this one area, it is like dead quiet. No

904
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.400
bugs like, no chirps, no squirrels, like no, you don't

905
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.400
hear anything. You might get like some tree rustle from

906
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:32.400
squirrel or like I saw an armadilla walking around, but

907
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.159
he's like super quiet. So the whole entire area is

908
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.000
just like dead quiet, which is really odd to me.

909
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.480
So yeah, that, like you, it was enough to where

910
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.519
I could hear that I was being potentially followed or

911
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:50.960
to an extent like escorted out.

912
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:51.840
Does that make sense?

913
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.519
Yeah, No, it absolutely does. And I did want to

914
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.159
clarify and some this. So when you got to the

915
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:05.559
park where there was the foliage turned into a space

916
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:11.119
where there was nothing, it stopped before going into that area, right, okay, wow?

917
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.360
Yeah, which is which that?

918
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.519
And that was like a giant like red flag to

919
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.199
me because if something's following you and you can't see

920
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.480
them to the left and the right, but then you

921
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.400
get to the point where you could look and see

922
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.559
and it stops, that's that's full blown intent. Like some

923
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.239
people would stay say, that's like predator stalking to an extent,

924
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.000
like an animal is going after prey and it's it

925
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.360
knows that it can't be seen here, but it also

926
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.159
knows that once it gets ten feet down the trail,

927
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.679
it has to stop or it's going to reveal itself.

928
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:50.159
So yeah, that was the first thing that really ticked

929
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.519
it for me where I was like, there's something going on.

930
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.199
So the second time I was with my family, my

931
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:04.639
mom has a rescued half border call half Australian shepherd

932
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:10.800
maybe to or no, maybe a sheep dog, I can't remember.

933
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:14.280
He's really cool, he's she we rescue him from some

934
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.320
crazy people. So he's super quiet. He doesn't bark. He's tiny.

935
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.599
He's not tiny, but he doesn't weigh enough to where

936
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:22.639
he makes a ton of noise.

937
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.360
The same thing we go in. We walk to the

938
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:27.079
end of the trail.

939
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.239
I had done some stuff to try to get a

940
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.320
to see if I could get some sort of response,

941
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.960
and we'll I'll talk about that after the fact, because

942
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.039
it's a whole explanation as well.

943
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.159
So we're on our way back.

944
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.320
My kid is at the very end, my mom is

945
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.480
in between us with her dog, and I'm up front,

946
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.039
and I'm like, hey, it's a narrow like we'll go

947
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.239
through here and we're all hearing the same exact thing

948
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.119
basically at the same exact time or the same exact

949
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.800
point in the trail as a start point where the

950
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:02.880
foliage is thick, and.

951
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:05.840
The same thing happens.

952
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.079
We're walking out, we keep here and stuff, we keep stopping,

953
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.360
and it's like, what's going on? This is crazy wild.

954
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:18.800
The dog was the thing that really had me pay

955
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.760
attention a little more at this time. He doesn't he

956
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.119
walks in front. He pulls when he walks because he's

957
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.719
just you know, he's a rescue and probably didn't have

958
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:34.039
a great life initially. But he wasn't walking ahead anymore.

959
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.960
While this was happening, he was trying to coil around

960
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.679
my mom's legs, like with his he's on a leash,

961
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.199
he's not free, and he's it's almost like he knows

962
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.119
something's going on, and he's trying to get as close

963
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:51.480
as possible, and my mom's, hey, you have to walk him.

964
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.320
I'm going to trip. And at this point we're.

965
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.880
Walking with no lights, like no lights at all, and

966
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.360
the dog is you know, it's creating has or from

967
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.960
my sweet mother. So I'm like, yeah, give him to me.

968
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.920
So I'm like, maybe he's just like concerned or whatever.

969
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.599
But then he starts like really coily when we get

970
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:16.920
towards the end of the thick and now he's wrapping

971
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.360
around me and he's like pressing his entire body weight

972
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:26.079
into me, like something is startling him or making him uneasy.

973
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.199
So I'm like, okay, we just got to stop. So

974
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:29.679
we stop. Same thing.

975
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.960
We don't hear any movement, we don't hear footsteps, you

976
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:38.159
don't hear breathing. There's no communication. There's no other sound

977
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.880
from any animal anywhere. It's so quiet. That there's a

978
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.320
shooting range a couple miles away. It's so quiet in

979
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.880
this one point or in this area where I can

980
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:53.639
hear the shots that are far like far, and I'm like, okay,

981
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.079
this is It's just super weird at this point.

982
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:57.559
So we stop.

983
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.440
We hang out for a few seconds, attention, walk a

984
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:01.719
little more, same thing.

985
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.719
The dog is coiling.

986
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:07.360
Stop again, and this just continues until we get to

987
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.719
the very end of where the foliage is and we

988
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:17.800
get past that point. Dog is totally fine, like smiling, happy,

989
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.880
tail wagging, no coiling, just normal. We get back to

990
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.400
the car, We're ready to go, no issues. So and

991
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.199
this is literally within a week's time that this is happening.

992
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.320
I the only people that know, just to try to

993
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.119
clear skepticism.

994
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.320
Big for the society who will be right back after

995
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.119
these messages.

996
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:57.920
I don't tell anyone other than my partner where I'm

997
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:01.840
going and when I'm going, and I don't communicate that

998
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.679
I'm there or was there until afterwards. I'm trying to,

999
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:11.920
like as much as possible, limit the potential for some

1000
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.519
interaction from someone else trying to you know, scare me,

1001
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.599
your hoax or whatever you know. So, yeah, those two

1002
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.840
things were the really big things for me out there initially,

1003
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.159
and then it's just keeps getting bigger, gots.

1004
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:28.079
Some wild stuff.

1005
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.760
It makes me want to look more into that area

1006
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.559
for sure. I'm sure once this get out gets out there,

1007
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.079
there's going to be people that reach out that are like, yeah,

1008
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.719
he's not the only one to experience weird stuff in

1009
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:40.159
that area.

1010
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:46.840
It's probably whyse Yeah, it's I see hunters regularly and

1011
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.679
they're literally like everyone's the part.

1012
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.519
The area closes.

1013
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.880
At ten in the fall and ten thirty in the summer,

1014
01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:00.840
the same with the Nature Preserve. The Moon area, which

1015
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.199
is really close, like less than a mile away, closes

1016
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:04.760
at dusk.

1017
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.519
The time is.

1018
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.760
Really odd to me. There's no reason that you couldn't

1019
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.800
be out in these woods. As long as you're adequately equipped,

1020
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.599
you have enough light, water, whatever.

1021
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.320
You could walk through these.

1022
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.599
Woods for miles and not really have any issues if

1023
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.320
you carry a firearm like, same thing, Like, there's no

1024
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:27.639
reason that you couldn't be out there. But everybody leaves

1025
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.599
almost as soon as it gets dark. In the past

1026
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.519
two months that I've been out there, I've seen one

1027
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.639
car stay later than I was, and it's a person

1028
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.679
that I've seen on the trail and in the parking

1029
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.880
lot before, and that's the only time I've ever seen anyone.

1030
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:46.800
Stay later than I.

1031
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.920
It's super odd to me that the timing is really

1032
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.079
odd to me, and that time being placed there for

1033
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.559
whatever reason is really intriguing. You don't just pick, like

1034
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.239
why would you not say the park closes at Why

1035
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:05.000
go to ten pm? Like why push to ten thirty

1036
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.239
in the summer. Is there potentially something going on later

1037
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.039
that someone's trying to prevent people from being in the

1038
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:18.039
woods or in this area past a reasonable hour.

1039
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.159
It's just it's super weird to me.

1040
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:22.920
Yeah, it makes you wonder. And this is not an

1041
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:24.840
area where you can camp overnight.

1042
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:25.519
It sounds like.

1043
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.719
No. So there's a trail that runs through there, and

1044
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.159
I believe the previous guests that talked about the area

1045
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.480
mentioned it. It's called the Katie Trail. It's a trail

1046
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:38.440
that runs all the way through Missouri. People run on it,

1047
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.440
they ride their bikes. There are camping locations on that trail,

1048
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:48.920
But through all the research I've read, it's highly suggested

1049
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:53.960
that you are in those areas before nine pm, which

1050
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:55.280
is also really odd.

1051
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:58.880
R's that's so weirder, dude.

1052
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.800
Yeah, it's like they want you like if you're I

1053
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:04.599
raced bicycles for a really long time.

1054
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:06.119
I raced all over the country.

1055
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.440
I've ridden thousands of miles, thousands of hours. At all

1056
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.079
times when I was racing at my highest peak, I

1057
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:17.599
was training in the evenings, like I would ride my

1058
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.440
bike until midnight. Some night, you know, I would be

1059
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:26.039
out on gravel trails until ten, eleven, twelve, sometimes one am.

1060
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:31.960
That this one stretch of this area, everything's get in

1061
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.440
before ten in your camp, out of the park, everything

1062
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.519
is before ten. It's super odd, and I can't figure

1063
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.199
out why. I've talked to I talked to one US

1064
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.039
for Service person I found out there or I saw,

1065
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:46.960
and I was like, hey, do you know why this

1066
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.199
area closes at ten? And this individual was like, I

1067
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:54.559
have no clue. That's how it's been for a long time.

1068
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.039
And he was like, we're regularly told if we see

1069
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.119
people to be like you got to get out. Park

1070
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:04.920
closes at ten or the area closes at ten. It's

1071
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.480
just crazy odd. You can't park in. I guess if

1072
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:13.960
you wanted to do like super stealth camping, you could

1073
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.559
have a drop off go out there camp all the

1074
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:21.480
way through the evening and essentially blend in the daytime

1075
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:28.000
without anybody really noticing. But I can't find any signs

1076
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.880
of anyone camping out there at all, which is also

1077
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:32.880
odd to me.

1078
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.840
Yeah, and definitely I'm not telling you to do that.

1079
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:40.840
Allegedly.

1080
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.199
Yeah, it's yeah, it's been. The thought has crossed my

1081
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:49.280
mind almost every single time I'm out there. I'm like,

1082
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.519
I should just stay and see what happens. But then,

1083
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:56.360
you know, who knows what the ultimate consequence for that is.

1084
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:58.360
Yeah, I would be.

1085
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.039
I will say this, I would not be surprised if

1086
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:07.760
some sort of park ranger or law enforcement showed up

1087
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.039
and if they saw a vehicle, they would probably go

1088
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.119
in and be like, hey, you got to leave. You

1089
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.480
can't camp here, you know what I mean? So who knows,

1090
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:22.800
Maybe it'll happen one day, probably not allegedly.

1091
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:28.480
Exactly have you gone to you brought up Marley Woods earlier?

1092
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.760
Have you been there or is it just a place

1093
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.199
that you've researched into.

1094
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.679
No, So it took me a pretty I haven't been there.

1095
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.639
It's taken me a pretty good time for a pretty

1096
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:44.880
good amount of time to find the actual location it's doable.

1097
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:47.559
You just have to dig, That's all I'm gonna say.

1098
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.960
But the goal is to go to the vicinity. The

1099
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:55.480
main issue with Marley Woods, it's very from what I

1100
01:06:55.519 --> 01:07:03.119
can tell through research, it's not accessible A and B.

1101
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.880
You stick out like a sore thumb if you're not

1102
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.440
from there, which makes it hard to try to go

1103
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.760
in illegally to an extent. Maybe someday I'll get some

1104
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.039
crazy call and someone will be like, hey, yeah, come

1105
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:16.480
through here.

1106
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.039
You can see what happens. So no, have not been.

1107
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:27.239
Will I try to go potentially, who knows. But that

1108
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.840
area is not the only area or that location is

1109
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.159
not the only location in that area that has issues.

1110
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.639
And that's something that a lot of people don't realize.

1111
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.599
Yeah, yes, you hit it on the head because what

1112
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.320
people just like you said, people don't realize that. Okay,

1113
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.239
the weird stuff doesn't just stay on Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah,

1114
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.679
the whole area is weird. So if you've got this

1115
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.519
area where it's like a hollow ground or holy ground

1116
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.159
in quotation marks, and you're like you can't go there,

1117
01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.119
if you can go to the area around it, you're

1118
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.239
probably just as a good Yeah, I totally agree, with

1119
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:02.559
you on that one.

1120
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:03.679
Have you heard of that.

1121
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.880
We're getting someting some audio feedback.

1122
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:09.079
Yeah, there you go.

1123
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:13.039
Okay, have you heard of any Bigfoot experiences from around

1124
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:13.559
that area?

1125
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.199
Yeah, there's a couple that are documented. They're not like

1126
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:23.560
really out there. It's older stuff. But yes, in short answers, Yes,

1127
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:27.159
that whole area has a lot of UFO stuff. And

1128
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.119
there's that I don't know, it's hard to say yes

1129
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.159
or no, but there's that theory that Sam squanch out

1130
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:39.319
here is potentially tied in with UFO stuff, So it

1131
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:44.399
would only make sense to have like both. I just

1132
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.479
think the whole that whole area, there's got to be

1133
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.319
something out there that's causing all of this. And I,

1134
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:53.119
like you said, skin Walker is not the only spot.

1135
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:54.840
That whole entire you went to.

1136
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:58.760
Basin has a lot of odd stuff. Utah is just

1137
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.600
weird in general. But same with Marley Woods. They're surrounding

1138
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:06.319
areas where people have had stuff. There's reports of stuff

1139
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:09.880
going back one hundred years from white anomalies. It's not

1140
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.319
just at Marley Woods. It's a pretty vast If you

1141
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.560
drew a circle around it, same thing, it's fifty miles

1142
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:20.039
each way, like there's issues.

1143
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:24.520
Would you ever want to have the opportunity to actually

1144
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.279
have a visual sighting of a bigfoot?

1145
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.119
Yes, but and this is a big butt for me.

1146
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:44.359
I don't know if it's beneficial. Yeah, for proof wise, Yeah, cool.

1147
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.800
Would be sweet to walk into the woods and he's

1148
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:51.840
hanging out with his buddies and they're you know, right there,

1149
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:52.880
and they're like, yo, hey.

1150
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:56.079
My concern with potentially.

1151
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:02.359
To have a visual from other areas of interest, my

1152
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:06.960
concern is what would happen after. I don't know what

1153
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:11.600
the outcome is if people This is one of those

1154
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:16.199
things that that's really it's nerve wracking for me, Like

1155
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:17.840
people are like, yeah, I want to see it, I

1156
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:19.159
want to see it, I want to see.

1157
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.520
It, but no one.

1158
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.359
There's a ton of accounts of people saying, yeah, I've

1159
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.760
seen them and this happened, but none of them are

1160
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:34.039
really the same. It's all different, and some of them

1161
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:37.520
are not very good and the aftermath is.

1162
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:38.319
Not very good.

1163
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:43.640
The hitchhiker thing is a major concern to me. But

1164
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:49.640
also I personally think that if you have that and

1165
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:56.640
it's not in the best headspace or not at the

1166
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.439
right time, it could be detrimental, which is probably going

1167
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.479
to be an unpopular opinion.

1168
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.319
But the human brain is vast and I don't know if.

1169
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:17.279
Unlocking that realm would be a good thing currently. I

1170
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:20.840
think I think later on it might be great to

1171
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:23.600
see something. I'm not counting on it. I highly doubt

1172
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.720
I ever will. It's there's areas of concern for me

1173
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:31.520
in that and it plays on a total different realm.

1174
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.359
Would it be cool? Yeah?

1175
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:38.439
Do people want to hear about people seeing Bigfoot or

1176
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:43.079
Sasquatch or yetti or you know, a skin walker when

1177
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.680
dingo or whatever. Yeah, but there's major repercussions that I

1178
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:55.159
don't think general population understands when having those interactions. I

1179
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.760
think it's really important. I told you, like, intent is

1180
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:02.279
a big thing. I think that your intentions going in

1181
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:05.479
and doing research and being in the field per se,

1182
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:14.000
those lead to a lot of experiences. Yeah, it's just

1183
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.840
it's I don't know, maybe but maybe not.

1184
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:24.000
I think that it could be one of those things.

1185
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:27.119
That's potentially so wild that I'm like, holy crap, Like

1186
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:29.680
I can't even comprehend this right now. There's a joke

1187
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.439
I told my mom. She was like, well, what happened

1188
01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:34.119
if you saw one? And I was like, I'd probably

1189
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:37.640
just be like, holy crap, like you're right there, but

1190
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:39.800
what happens after the fact.

1191
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:44.479
I think if I with further research, I'm more comfortable

1192
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:44.880
to that.

1193
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.000
But I'm not counting on it, and I'm not out

1194
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.079
here being like I'm going to see one today. I

1195
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.239
want to see one today, and I think a lot

1196
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:57.520
of people do that. I also think actively putting it

1197
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:04.560
out there into the ether per se, I feel like

1198
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.199
there's a timeline and that's a totally different realm to

1199
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:10.840
go down, and I don't think currently right now that

1200
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:15.119
timeline is the right time to see or have a

1201
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.439
visual interaction for yourself.

1202
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:19.840
Yeah, I honestly don't.

1203
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:22.399
Yeah, it's that's one of those things that I've thought

1204
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.319
about a lot, and it's really it's a tough thing

1205
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:27.640
for me to be like, yeah, that'd be sick because

1206
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:32.800
I just don't know if it's within the timeline of

1207
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.199
where I'm at currently. I don't know how long I'm

1208
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:42.359
gonna be here. I'd rather have an interaction long term

1209
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.279
at if I move. If I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna

1210
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.840
move to here, I'd rather have that interaction somewhere where

1211
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.479
I am based long term okay, and I'm not talking

1212
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.159
like one or two years. Like if I'm in a

1213
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.640
spot for ten years and it happens like that's rat,

1214
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.439
I think the comfort thing is there. That's it makes

1215
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.600
me uncomfortable to think like I could see something and

1216
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:08.199
that's it, like there's no My ultimate goal would be

1217
01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:15.680
further interaction and investigation to see, like just see one,

1218
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.000
like yeah, that'd be cool, but that doesn't do anything

1219
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:22.520
other than give you the I saw one badge per

1220
01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:25.640
se right, you know, I want to be in I

1221
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.159
want to be in the realm where it's I saw one.

1222
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:34.199
I understand why I saw one. I understand geographically where

1223
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.840
I saw one, and I want to know the exact

1224
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:42.439
reason why they decided to say, Okay, you're good to go,

1225
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:43.359
you know what I mean.

1226
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:44.479
I feel like.

1227
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:47.760
It's weird to say, but I feel like they're like,

1228
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:52.359
this person's good, go ahead, this person's good to an extent.

1229
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.079
Maybe just peek out from behind a tree and say

1230
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.600
what's up real quick and get back in. This person

1231
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.119
does not need to see you right now. Just just

1232
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:02.880
watch from Afar, just chill and hang out from Afar.

1233
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:06.119
I don't think that idea or that thought is really

1234
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:11.760
like I don't hear it in interviews or read it

1235
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.359
like people are like, yeah, I just want to see one,

1236
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.479
like they don't think about all of it as a whole.

1237
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.199
From what I've heard over the years, it totally affects

1238
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.840
the rest of everything. The hitchhiker effect is very real,

1239
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:28.720
and that effect can happen even if you don't see one.

1240
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.079
I think you can be in just in the area

1241
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.279
and not have a visual and it can still. I

1242
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.000
think that's a thing I think that is real big

1243
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.600
for society will be right back after these messages.

1244
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:03.039
So there's one thing that can that people can you know, like,

1245
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.760
I don't know how many people are gonna listen to

1246
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.279
this if it's one person, tight, if it's two million,

1247
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:13.119
cool and my personally, I think that people need to

1248
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:20.600
think outside of the box when it comes to this anomaly.

1249
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.520
I think there's a lot of I've mentioned it before,

1250
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.399
there's a lot of like regurgitated stuff that comes up

1251
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:31.079
from previous interviews. Someone will listen to someone and then

1252
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:35.399
say everything that person said, but as their own words.

1253
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:40.680
I feel like, especially in the Bigfoot community, there's a

1254
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:42.840
lot of people that really should take the.

1255
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.680
Time to look at it.

1256
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:55.680
Not not with no input from other people or previous interactions.

1257
01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:59.640
I feel like people do this and they're like, Oh,

1258
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:01.840
I'm doing because I think it's cool, which is great,

1259
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:05.079
But I don't think that they're thinking outside of the

1260
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:08.840
box on why it's happening, or where it's happening, or

1261
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:12.199
who it's happening to. I think there needs to be

1262
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:16.640
a lot of a flip in research where people are

1263
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:22.239
doing it in a way where it's not just beneficial

1264
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:26.039
to them, it's beneficial to everyone as a whole, and

1265
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:31.800
it's not for disclosure that will never happen no in

1266
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:36.560
any realm. I think people need to look at it

1267
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:43.840
for themselves from a different box that they're normally comfortable

1268
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:44.640
being in.

1269
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:47.479
I think that if you go out in.

1270
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:50.399
The woods and you want to experience this, or you

1271
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:56.119
want to potentially see sasquatch, maybe think about it long

1272
01:17:56.199 --> 01:18:00.359
term and think about why and think about different ways

1273
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:05.920
to potentially have an interaction. I personally do a couple

1274
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:09.680
of things every single time I go out that other

1275
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:12.319
people have done that They've done it in different realms,

1276
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:17.439
not the Bigfoot realm, and they've had very real responses

1277
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:20.039
to those things that they're doing.

1278
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:25.720
Yeah, so yeah, that's yeah, that's a really interesting I

1279
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:29.079
think prompt for people to do their own research into.

1280
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.640
Because I've had Yeah, that's.

1281
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.760
A whole other discussion maybe for another time, but I

1282
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:39.359
like the way you're thinking there. I've man, I've I've

1283
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.640
even had that because there's like aliens, there's like CE

1284
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:44.920
five and so what if there's something like that for

1285
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:45.840
the bigfoot realm?

1286
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.399
So I don't know. Yeah, I'm not an expert in that.

1287
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.439
Yeah.

1288
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:52.920
Yeah, And it's one of those things too, that's like

1289
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:56.319
there's information available, but a lot of it is just

1290
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.439
recycled and a lot of it has individual in put

1291
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:05.319
that's not beneficial scientifically in both realms, in many realms,

1292
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.359
and I think that's a major issue currently that people

1293
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.640
need to look at and say, Okay, there's a better

1294
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:18.720
approach that's more beneficial for everyone. Why don't we stop

1295
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:22.520
doing this and try to do this, or why don't

1296
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.720
we do it do this thing, but do it in

1297
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:28.840
a different way. Intent is I'll preach intent all day long.

1298
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:33.840
If you walk into the woods and your intention is

1299
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:40.720
to experience nature potentially have some sort of interaction with

1300
01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:46.960
whatever's out there, respectfully, understand that you're in their realm.

1301
01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:50.359
It's not yours. It's that those woods are not ours,

1302
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.439
like we're just visitors. I think if the intent is

1303
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:58.720
focused like that, you could have people would have more

1304
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:08.880
beneficial and more long term experiences that other people can

1305
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.319
be like, Okay, yeah, that makes sense, that's cool. I've

1306
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:14.479
never heard that. I wonder why they did that. You know,

1307
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.960
everybody's like I go in the woods, I whack a

1308
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:19.680
tree with a baseball batter a stick three times, and

1309
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:24.239
I get a stick knock on a tree. Immediately after

1310
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.840
I go in the woods, I blast this sound and

1311
01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.920
I'm getting a response. Or I go in the woods

1312
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:35.199
and I whistle and I hear a whistle, Like you're

1313
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:38.960
just doing the same thing other people are doing. Maybe

1314
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.399
I've I had the same night my mother and my

1315
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:46.079
son and my mom's dog walk out of the woods.

1316
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.479
I had. They heard a direct.

1317
01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:54.159
Response to something I'll call we'll call it a telephone.

1318
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:56.479
I make calls with this telephone.

1319
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.279
Directly after I make the call with this telephone phone,

1320
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:08.359
two things happened. Two extremely rap loud knocks between two rocks.

1321
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.439
So imagine like large pebbles in your hands and you're

1322
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:16.239
smacking them one two. I didn't hear that, but my

1323
01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:20.880
mom and son, who were twenty five yards away from me,

1324
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:26.000
heard it clear as day. Immediately after I made another

1325
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:31.479
telephone call. Directly after that, a large pack.

1326
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:36.079
Of coyotes just go wild, so loud.

1327
01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:40.399
But the intent was there to try to get a

1328
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:46.359
reaction that is not based off of normal practices. Using

1329
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:52.359
the telephone in quotations potentially got the response because it

1330
01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:53.399
was like, what is this.

1331
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:57.800
I've not heard this in this area, I've not heard.

1332
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:03.359
This sounded to communicate this thing is here, I don't

1333
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:04.600
know what's making the sound.

1334
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:07.279
Everybody else pay attention. Does that make sense?

1335
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:08.760
Yeah? It does? Yeah?

1336
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.840
So really yeah, I mean yeah, and I can. I'm

1337
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:16.640
willing to share that with you. I don't know if

1338
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.199
I would like to put it out just yet, because

1339
01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.359
it's very secretive and it's very spiritual, and it's not

1340
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:29.399
for everyone. It's called a telephone for a reason. The

1341
01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:33.199
smart the research challenge that listen might be able to

1342
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:37.359
figure out exactly what it is, but it's super powerful,

1343
01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:40.119
and almost every single time I've used it from that

1344
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:44.600
point on, I'm getting consistent responses, and they're not always

1345
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:50.800
immediately after, but always within five to ten minutes of

1346
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:55.680
making this call. In quotations, big in quotations call.

1347
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:58.000
Yeah, that's that sounds very interesting.

1348
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.960
Yeah, that would have to be a conversation we have

1349
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:02.359
after the call sometime.

1350
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.960
For sure, we didn't even get into the graffiti room.

1351
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:09.319
There's like ten there that.

1352
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:14.279
Yeah, LEEVI I think will need to be in touch.

1353
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.680
That feels there needs to be another conversation down the road.

1354
01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:21.000
Perhaps there's parts we didn't even get to, but the

1355
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.920
stuff we went over was definitely needed to be talked about.

1356
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.159
But I just want to say thank you so much

1357
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.279
for coming on there. There's a question I always ask,

1358
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.880
so people are going to probably ask me, is there

1359
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.439
a way to get in touch with Levi? It sounds

1360
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:40.119
like you're probably just wanting to stay under the radar.

1361
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:48.640
No, I'm open to communication. I will say this kind

1362
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.399
of a hard person to find, which is on purpose.

1363
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:56.119
General locations are good. If I'll share contact INFU with

1364
01:23:56.159 --> 01:24:01.199
you for the general public, I'll provide an email, Okay,

1365
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:03.760
but yeah, yeah, I'm not out here being like I'm

1366
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:05.159
the only person that's going to do this.

1367
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:06.399
I don't want to share my info.

1368
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.439
There's no point for me to data collect if I'm

1369
01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:14.079
not actively you know, hey, I'm having this happen.

1370
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:14.760
Here, what about you?

1371
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.239
So yeah, yeah, if people want to reach out, they

1372
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:22.600
can reach out. I have very little social media on

1373
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.119
purpose if.

1374
01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:27.039
LEVI, I thank you so much for coming on the show.

1375
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.079
We're definitely going to keep in touch. We might have

1376
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.439
definitely a follow up, I would think in the future

1377
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.880
regarding the graffiti stuff. But man, thank you so much

1378
01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:37.960
for coming on. I've really enjoyed it.

1379
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:39.640
Yeah.

1380
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:43.279
Thanks, I really appreciate the opportunity. It's good to know

1381
01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:48.359
that people care and there's a platform where people are

1382
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.479
like actively like yo, you should share this like this

1383
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:54.239
is wild. Someone needs to hear it. It's good that

1384
01:24:54.319 --> 01:25:00.479
you're consistently pushing info and data out there.

1385
01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:01.880
You're at Bigfoot Society.

1386
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.119
Our goal is to provide a platform for those that

1387
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:09.039
have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe

1388
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:10.520
and respected environment.

1389
01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:12.880
But we need to hear your story.

1390
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.920
If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please

1391
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:22.239
send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1392
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.520
Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot

1393
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:29.760
of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's

1394
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:33.399
been twenty years, and it's time that you get this

1395
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.319
off your chest and then you can get some well

1396
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:38.800
deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

1397
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.039
I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every

1398
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:43.560
one of you.

1399
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:49.119
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1420
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These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge, Dexter

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Fall Creek to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultis Lake, Spirit Lake,

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Stubtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area, the area

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west of Createrlake, east of two thirty West Diamond Lake Highway,

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and north of sixty two Creater Lake Highway. You can

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use email Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. A special

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thank you to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube

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channel members. It's your support that helps keep the show

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going and I extremely appreciate it. If you want to

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join in the fun, you can join over at patreon

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I'll see you there and again, thanks for listening.