Bigfoot Mysteries of Northeast Oklahoma with Yahola Tiger (Archives)

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1:36 I'm pretty good man. I'm just paying an ad, just doing stuff, spooky stuff. I love talking about spooky stuff. That's why we're here. But I appreciate you having me. Oh absolutely, I've been wanting to talk to you for a while, so I'm glad that this finally worked out. You're also from the great state of Oklahoma. Correct, beautiful, Yes, beautiful state of Oklahoma. Born and raised Turkey res lived a lot of my life on the Cherkey res and then moved way over to my other side, to my Muscogee Creek side. And yeah, Oklahoma, man, all different types of things going on, but yeah, man, it's beautiful. Place, fantastic And a lot of my listeners will know that about Oklahoma because they know more of probably the southeast section. There's some wild bigfoot stuff that goes on over there. But if you could let us know contact wise or context wise, what part of the of Oklahoma on a map are we talking more western side eastern?

2:33 Whereabouts we're in. So I'm from northeast Oklahoma. That's so tall. Quality is the capital of the Cherokee Nation. And it's located I said, probably about thirty minutes from the Arkansas border, up and up in the northeast Oklahoma. And it's people. That's one thing too that I guess people don't really they really don't. I don't want to say give the northeast credit. But there's a lot of there's a lot of woods, a lot of hills up in the northeast, and so there's all types of going on in northeast Oklahoma. Absolutely. How far away from the Watchetaze are you. Man, that's a great question. I'm gonna have to pull out my ninth grade geography book, I would say. So that's what I'm thinking. Probably maybe an hour and a half maybe, all right, all right, No, man, Like I said, my geography is not as is not what it used to be.

3:25 It's cool, it's cool the northeast. I've talked to a lot of people from southeast. Of course, I've talked to a gentleman from the west. Western Oklahoma has some crazy stuff too. But now it sounds like we may have some action going on in the northeast as well. But we were talking earlier and we're talking about that you have had some you've heard of some Bigfoot related things over the years, and we've mentioned already that you're a member of the Cherokee Nation. Has have you grown up then hearing about Bigfoot over the years or when did that start to come into your life that you remember. Man, it's it's been my entire life. First, my first thought in my first really core memory of Bigfoot was I might have been six or seven years old, my dad.

4:15 If you guys, if people are listening, when you're driving into Tahlequall, on the right hand side, there's a big old casino. Now back twenty twenty five years ago, it used to just be a pastor and there used to be a golf course on the other side of that pasture. And I remember one of my first stories I ever heard as a young buck was my dad's best friend was driving home one night and he saw something up at the on the right hand side of the road. He looked, he said, what is that? He just kept driving his USS. Probably a deer. I'll slow down, and so he kept coasting. He eventually passed us. What he could see it was just so dark. There's no lights out there. And when he hit his brakes when he was passing this thing, all he saw was a hairy arm and basically a hairy I'd say, maybe a quad And he hit his brakes and that light hit it, and that thing scurried off into that pasture and he didn't see anything, but he took off. One thing about that story that has come full circle now twenty twenty twenty fointy three. I talked to him to my dad's best friend. I said, hey, you remember telling me that story when I was a little guy, And he goes, no, I don't really remember that. He's a When did I tell you that? I said, you told me one time when we were all hanging out and you were playing guitar with my dad, And he goes, I don't remember that.

5:32 And about a week later he goes, yeah, man, he's I sat and thought about that. I do remember that. Because now that road is a heavily traveled road, and it's not really secluded like it used to be in Cherokee Nation. And I don't want to speak for all Cherokees. I don't want to speak for all Creeks either, all really tribes in general. There's different types of these things, and there's some that make you forget. And I'm not gonna say the name, because if you say the name, you're gonna call it. But they make you forget, and sometimes almost like men in Black, where they hit you with that thing and you're like your mind's raised, and then you have you don't remember, and he goes, I think that's what happened to me because he's so scared.

6:12 I just don't remember. And then I guess he traveled down that road or I don't know how he remembered. But then he was like, man, I remember that. He said that thing had to be like nine foot tall because he was sitting in this car and all he saw was basically a thigh. You see a thigh in the winds in the back glash, it has to be pretty tall. But there's all types of those stories that come around in that area. And to be long winded, that's how we are. And we'd be like that. I've been hearing stories and I've experienced things in my life where it's been my entire life. I want to go back to something you said really quick, and I don't want to go too deep into it because it's obvious that we don't want to. But if you want to address it, it says you said something to the effect of, we don't want to call it, and can you explain what that means without we don't want to do what it is that you would refer to, but what that would mean where we don't want to call it.

7:12 So what I mean by is so there's multiple things that Sasquatch and Bigfoot can do that we as human beings sometimes don't understand. Trying to put this in a context that makes this digestible, I guess you could say, But essentially what they can do is there's always been this Native American medicine or magic or shamanism is what some people out west call it. They do those things too, and it's a superstitious thing. But when you talk about these things, there's a certain energy that comes with that.

8:00 It's like an intention thing. But when you talk about and that's why when we talk about a lot of things in native culture we use and I'll say the name because I'll smoke off after this smoking. By the way, smoke off means with cedar and things like that for people that aren't that don't know those things, doctor cedar. But is this going to affect the listeners though? It's okay, okay, yeah, no it shouldn't. Now, I'd always if anytime you any time that someone's talking about different things, especially when it comes to Bigfoot. Even talking about Bigfoot, you're still talking about and you can still do what you gotta do. I do my certain things. People do their own things. You could pray. But but that's what I mean by that was is when you use their name.

8:48 There's a certain old way name that you use, I know, the Creek name. And they can come to your dreams, they can come in physical there's just different ways. Is that these things can come to you. I and that, like I said it, and it could be anything too. It could just be it could just be energy. You can just have bad luck. There's and it's I'm really talking generally. I know there's probably some people out there, Oh he's talking crazy right now, But yeah, that's what I mean by by you don't want we don't want to call it by its name. I absolutely understand. Yeah, I definitely want to respect that m In your area of Oklahoma in the northeast, have you found that most Sasquat sightings will occur around the reservation or is it it's all over the place. It doesn't have to be specifically just in the actual reservation area.

9:46 So all the reservations. So there's like I said, there's the five civilives that take up the eastern part of the state. I don't want to get political or anything, but I just that's just how that's divided up and now with kind of federal type of things going on. But it happens all over the place. I have heard stories from different people up in northern I'd say probably north central, I'd say probably north of Oklahoma City. There's been stories up there of them hanging out around out of Palalow. They'll be at the tree line and we're at the stomp Grounds, they'll be out there. Because a lot of those grounds, especially Stomp Grounds, are near water, you have to you have to make sure you have water around when you're doing those things. And a lot of people say that they travel by water, and there's different, various opinions on that, but like I said, they're all over the place in Oklahoma. I think I tried to ask somebody older, I said, how many think there is?

10:40 They gave me a number like a thousand or something like that, and I was just like, man, that's a lot. That's a lot. I have people that reach out to me about every week telling me, hey, I saw something over here in Concho, Oklahoma, or I saw something over here and Anadarko, or I saw something over here in Hugo. It's all over the place here in Oklahoma. Oklahoma has incredible bigfoot stories. And I'm not going to mention the name of the group, but man, there's this one Facebook group about Oklahoma Bigfoot stories. Oh my goodness. It's a smaller one, and if you're in it, you know what I'm you know what I'm referring to it like it's a fight club type thing if you're in it.

11:25 But oh man, you guys have some wild stuff down there. Do you think there's a reason why, you know? Oklahoma just it feels like there's so much. I don't know how to say. I would say, like maybe aggressive Sasquatch stories or sightings. Do you think there's a reason why there's so many in that state or is that something you've ever thought about. I had, I've heard some pretty aggressive encounters just here. In the last i'd say probably month, I was told a story about out Anadarko, Oklahoma, and a guy was he had his animals out there, and he had shot at it, and this thing had killed every city, and it killed after he shot it. The next morning he went out there and every single one of his animals was gone, perished. And I also wonder if it correlates with how Oklahoma is just in general, how we are progressive people a little bit. If you treat us, to treat people with respect, you're going to be all right.

12:33 But once it comes to disrespecting people, it can get physical, or it can. And I'm wondering if those things mimic that energy with people coming like all the time, this land that hasn't been touched in a lot of years or ever maybe is being habitated by people with a lot of money, and they're moving up to these hills and these mountains and some of these valleys, And just speaking from experience, there was a guy and you fallaw who bought some land at the bottom of this infamous place that is known for bigfoot, Like it's known there's it's not catacombs, but it's more like caves. But there's caves out there in this little cliff. I don't want to say the name, but it's out and it's out and you fall area.

13:19 We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. But he bought land out there, and I'm always wondering if he's all right. Because you bought land. You you inhabited a place that no one is ever inhabited, and I often wonder if that's the case too. So that's very intriguing to me. That's that's an area that I don't think has come up yet, and it's I'm looking at it up on a map and it's so interesting because if you look up you follow Oklahoma. It's almost like on this peninsula in the middle of this huge lake. It's just it's a really interesting area.

14:03 I need to look more into that. You fall a lake is man May And one thing that I know, like I said, I know this is a big Foot show. There's been talks of an octopus in there, a red octopus in that lake. I know, I have plenty of stories of people talking about giant snakes in that lake. Mythical, I guess you'd say, mythical, but native in our native culture. There's big snakes in there. A lot of it too, I think. Was when they made that lake, there was a lot of stomp grounds down there, and there was a lot of habitat that these beings, these creatures inhabited. And when you take over, nature is going to do something. But at my uncle's property out and you fallow. There was one time we were talking about these things out there. We were having it, were telling stories, because that's how we taught, that's how we kind of communicate lessons and different stories, and it is by talking about some of these things sometimes and trying to tell people to act right. And we were all out there and we were talking and people telling stories, and and something big ran through, mowing down all this rush and the trees, and it's thick out there, and it came right up to the tree line and it was dead quiet. There was not a single sound in that whole clearing. It was like no birds, nothing, no crickets.

15:30 It was like the Alpha. It was like the alpha predator came and heard its name being called and it had to see what was going on. That's one thing that's I think when it comes to that area and it comes to like northeast Oklahoma, like I mentioned, it's it's very intriguing to me. That's why I can I continue to gather stories and information. And I'm so intrigued by by by Bigfoot. Oh absolutely, And this is something you've men mentioned a few times, and I'd like you to take a few minutes to define what it means because I'm just not familiar with the term, and there might be some listeners as well. Can you define what the term stomp grounds means.

16:12 So it's a ceremonial grounds, stump grounds kind of flaying, but ceremonial grounds and so ceremonial grounds are in specific areas in an origin story, especially for the Creeks. Back in the old days, when we were being removed, we had fire and the fire guided us to our home here in Oklahoma and where and there were certain selected people in the tribe that would basically follow that fire and catch that fire, so we didn't lose who we are and that goes into a whole different other thing. But wherever that fire landed, you had to harness it and you had to make sure it was taken care of.

16:53 And wherever it landed is where your grounds were, where your ceremonial grounds were, which is for your your prey in the Creator and thanking the Creator for what's what you've done, and you're asking for healing or whatever it needs to be done in those times. That's so interesting. It has parallels to the Old Testament almost. Yeah, it's yeah, it's that's what I'm saying. That's the one thing. It's just so intriguing about history. Man, It's almost like it repeats itself almost a little bit. Yeah, or it almost has a similar story but in different fonts. It's so weird. The more you look into things, and more that you look into different cultures, And yeah, that's that could be a whole other discussion. So talking about the stompground, so you're saying that the when they created that lake, they took over some stompgrounds. So I could definitely understand how that could be. That is a terrible thing to do. But you mentioned the giant snakes.

17:50 How large were these snakes that were being seen in this. Lake anywhere from the size of a worm to the size of a I don't know, maybe fifty feet. I'll tell you. I'll tell you a very interesting story. So I have a cousin who he's funny, but he's real big into He probably listened to the show Hey, Cousin, What's going on? And I was playing cousin. But he was on Google Maps. And you know how sometimes you can get real close and see things and you can see outlines. The drone or whatever whoever takes those pictures of that, Google Maps caught one of those snakes going into the lake and he was trying to do the pencil markers and it was just the back end of the snake was like twenty two feet as he was trying to figure it out. But these snakes have power.

18:42 They have how I say, And this is one of my favorite I ain't gonna lie it my favorite, my favorite being my native being that I love to talk about these early snakes. Born and raised in Tallacko, Oklahoma. We have the Illinois River and these and these things are known to cause floods, and the Illinois flooded multiple times because of people not taking care of that water. The same thing with you. You follow that lake is flooded multiple times over the years because people just aren't taking care of it. But what these snakes are is they are the king of the water. They take care of the water, that make sure people take care of it. When it's not being taken care of, they take manags into their own hands. One thing about Oklahoma, I'm sorry, we're deviating off man. No let's go for it. We're good man, Let's go.

19:23 And one thing that is very well known here in Oklahoma is there's a lot of drownings. And that's one thing that I see the newspapers all time. How does people keep drowning? Oh, they must be just drinking too much. But it's strange that it's a lot of kids, younger people. You hardly ever see anybody old drowning. Maybe someone in their thirties, maybe that's not really that old. That's one thing that people will credit these snakes and I do personally to taking these people because maybe not saying it's sacrifice. That's the game you play when you disrespect nature in the water. Absolutely, it's not a thing that you get multiple chances with. You got to respect it. For sure. Speaking of the water.

20:07 You also mentioned the octopus. Is that you hear people talk about the Oklahoma octopus? Is that the same thing or is this a different same. Same thing and crazy story that I heard from somebody out of you follow and I've also heard kind of murmurs about. I think it's Thunderbird Lake, I think is the other one that I've heard things from. But I had somebody tell me that basically they saw one run across the road, this major highway broad daylight. It was a small one, which I thought, I was like, that's crazy. Do you believe it? Sometimes you like people will just maybe just try to tell you a story to get on the podcast. I don't know, but I thought it was pretty interesting. But the Oklahoma octopus has been around for quite a long time. There was a guy and I cannot remember his name at the top of my head, but he had been investigating this. And they've also attributed a lot of these drownings in all these lakes to being that that creature, that being, and what I say being, it's more than just a creature, is what I'm is what I'm getting to. It's more of people talk about these mythical beings or these mythical entities, and that's what I'm referring to. If you ever hear me when I say being, these things are not they're not of this world or they're not of the normal world that we know.

21:25 Totally understand when you show when you refer to Sasquatch. And the thing about the show is that there's many different viewpoints about what the creature is, and I'd like to think that we I talk to many different viewpoints through people when you're referring to to Bigfoot yourself, what is in your mind or what's your definition of the creature when you're referring to Bigfoot man? That's a So that's a great question. I've asked people that same question, and I always find it very intriguing. My opinion of it, though, is a weird one. So I think that they are I think that they are a and I don't want to say a set of people, and I don't not human is what. It's not what I'm it's not what I'm trying to say. A lot of Cherokees believe that they're a secret tribe and that they exist when they want to, when they want to be seen, and they want to be known that they're there.

22:30 A story that I had come across as a young guy out of so I used to go to a cultural camp during the summertimes at Sequoia High School in Tahlequah, and I heard a story from an elder that he said that they look like humans, but they are just hairy and they got beards, but they're like super tall. He described this Sasquatch of this bigfoot to being about nine foot tall with a beard. It had a it looked like a human face, but they had a beard, and he called it a person. And when I growing up, in my mind I vision that I think of if they are people or if they're I know there's a theory out there there interdimensional beings. I know that people think that they're possibly a shape shifter or I've heard that.

23:16 I've heard different things, and in my opinion, I think that they're I think that they are another set of like a tribe, and it's not a people, it's a tribe of beings. They do that they have ways in methods to remain undetected. And I go back to talking about like native medicine or native magic or shamanism, Native American, But I don't practice that stuff. I don't practice those things much like and I have that same thought when it comes to sasquatch is not all of them practice the ability to disappear. Not all of them practice the ability to look like a stump. Like some stories you hear all people's story. One time somebody basically sat on it, didn't even thought it was a stump. They were just high.

24:04 King next said the stump was moving. I believe that they if they want to be seen, they will be seen. And they use these different methods in these different old ways, is what I call it. But it's these herbs and these these different methods to be seen or not to be seen. So I think that they're I think that they are of this world, but it's hard to describe what's of this world. Absolutely. Two. You know the stories that you've heard from your area, and you've talked to many different people over the years. Are orbs ever parts of those stories? Is that a thing that ever comes up down in Oklahoma?

24:48 Yes, I had. I've heard a lot of stories, a lot of stories about orbs. Everyone wants everyone. The famous one here in Oklahoma is out in Miami. It's called the spook light. But it looks like a light kind of a I was around in northeast Oklahoma. My dad has actually seen it looks like a fireball, but it dances. It looks like a person walking or if someone was running, and it looks makes that movement. And old Cherokees believe that it's the souls of people that are watching over things, and that's they left their soul there to maybe guard something. Who knows, who really knows what it's really for. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

25:34 But I've also heard I've also heard that those things this is gonna I don't think I've shared this, but I'm going to share it to you. I have heard stories that these orbs dance around maybe buried treasure or some type of fortune, and I have heard stories of Bigfoot or dog man protecting this treasure. I have heard those stories. Maybe maybe it's treasure or something from like sixteen hundred, who knows, who knows what it is? Have heard. I've also heard the Bigfoot being associated with these orbs as well. So, but at the end of the day, people see the orbs and they're like Okay, I see an orb in the middle of this pasture. What's going on or what's happening? We don't really there's no explanation, but the old elders believe that it's possibly the soul of the people past gone that's protecting their wealth, or it could be that they're just trying to find another way maybe to go to the other side. It's very interesting, though.

26:33 Can you tell me anything more about bigfoot guarding a buried treasure? That's an extremely new one for me. That's really interesting. Yeah, it's I'm just trying to figure out how to describe that because when I was told that story, basically somebody was supposed to somebody was digging up Basically they had figured out that there was some type of basically followed the orb, essentially, is what the story was told, and they dug it up, and when they look over there was a sasquatch there growling out him. Now he said, it maybe have been protecting. I don't really, I just used protecting as hey, like, when you hear that, hey, it's probably time to get out of here. I probably shouldn't be doing me trying to collect this this treasure or whatever this this fortune is or whatever he was trying to look for. That's just very interesting. That's why I haven't heard a lot of those stories. But I'm very if anyone out there, hey, if you got one of those, let me know. Yeah.

27:29 Absolutely. I just wanted to clarify that because I was like, man, I don't want it to start like a ay sr orb, there's going to be it's like the new Leprechaun and the Rainbow. Yeah no, who knows. But no, I just I just had a like that that that story is. I heard that story years ago. But they basically followed it. That that flame and it brought him to basically it did a circle or whatever, weird like it was in a pattern essentially, and they noticed that it stopped at a certain location and it moved to the next and so they really, like I said, it's an older story. It could have just been coincidence. I know a lot of people see aliens with bigfoots another thing I've heard, but I haven't heard much on the alien part, but I have heard a few times of people seeing that flame and then they hear footsteps behind them or something running through the woods. I have heard that too as well. My dad actually was out in a name dropping somebody's town. But my dad, I think he was out at Holbert and heard something like that.

28:26 We saw an orb and then heard something that was weird, but nothing ever approached him me. He just he heard something out with that ORB. So it also could be too that maybe Bigfoot's trying to find that treasure too, or whatever that is out there. It's it's such an awesome start to like a story. It's just it's it is so cool, like the buried treasure of Bigfoot in Oklahoma, and dude, I'm loving it. So let's pretend. Let's say we're in your area of Oklahoma and northeast. We're out of camp at fire, and there's maybe some people are there. They're starting to get to get older. They're older than kids now, they're getting into junior high maybe high school, and so the older individuals are like, Okay, it's time to tell them the story about Bigfoot that we kind of we all knew about it, and now these kids are old enough to know.

29:22 Are there any stories like that that are passed around the campfires up in your area? Yes? Yeah, yes, and no a story I remember being like you mentioned, we experienced that the one that was running through this brush coming towards us while we were sitting around telling stories. Another story that spooks me out to this day. It's out in park Hill, Oklahoma. It's a little bit outside of Talliquall, Oklahoma. My dad at the time was a young guy. He just was living with my grandpa at the time, and he lived next to this park. It's called Merrel Home Park. It's about i'd say probably a mile and a half from his house. And it was real the hot night, and with old old Indian houses, especially old Indian heads, they were like, no, we not turning that ac on room. Keep it steaming in this house. So he had to open the window.

30:11 And my dad is laying there and I'm and be in mine. I've never told this story publicly, but this is a good time to tell it. And he's laying there in bed and he hears something jump over the fence and it makes this sound like the creaking sound. And he hears these large footsteps coming up to the window and he's laying there and he's what is that And it lets out this like a horse, Like a horse would make this kind of huffing sound. It was real deep, and my dad sat there and he was he was sitting there and he's getting real what is this? What is going on? And it made that huffing noise again, and you heard he heard the creaking of the fence.

30:56 So either it opened the fence or opened the gate because it was one of those little latch game that you can just flip up and open, or it jumped a fence and it took back off where he was going. The area is a very spooky area and it's got a lot of things going on. And in that area when I was a young guy, I'll tell you my my I think my encounter with I think I believe it was one of these creatures, one of these beams. We used to I used to take my friends out to this park and spook them out because I know how to get the spooky's going. And in this park, there's these trails that go up into this kind of hill area and it's in the pitch black. You can't see anything tree cover, No, you can't see any of the stars. And I'm messing with them. You're never supposed to hoop. I was always told never to hoop, but I mess with them. They're white folks I like messing with, like to show them that I know a few things.

31:54 I'm Indian. I can summon these things and just have a little ego about it. And I made that mistake. So we come back off the bridge and I go, hey, we'll stop real quickly. I'm gonna hoot three times and watch see what happens. I hoot the first time. Everybody goes, hey, all right, man, hey, okay, hey, we got to we get the point you're trying to scare us. We get it. I hoot a second time and they're like, no, hey, okay, okay, hey hold it, Okay, chill up, chill up. It's cool. When I hoot that third time. Under this, when you go over that bridge, there's a little underpass that you can walk down to underneath that bridge. And there was a roar came from under that bridge, and it was I always equate it to King Kong's roar, but it was it hits you, it hit me, and when it roared, I blacked out. Be in mind, I'm going to describe the people that I'm with. I'm with two six six, three hundred and fifty pound guys. I'm the last person in the back closest to the car after that third hoop, and we hear that roar and I black out. They had those big boys were in the car in two seconds, took off and I come back into my mind all

33:25 the way and we're halfway, we're already almost home, and my mind comes back and I think what we ran into that night was one of those ones that make you forget, because I don't remember from the time that I hoo did that third time to hearing that roar two when we were almost halfway home. And to this day, I still have those people that say, man, I don't know why. That was the craziest thing I've ever heard. I have never heard anything that made me feel that way. It's almost like if you were face to face with the lion and it roared in your face and you're just like checked out out. And I spoke with it with one of them, with one of my uncles or with my uncle, and he goes, yeah, he said, you ran into the ones that the one that makes you forget.

34:08 He said, you played. He said, what did you do before? I told him when I did. He goes, Yep, that's what happens. So yeah, that's a that's my personal story that I've run into. That's out in park Hill, Oklahoma, at Burrow Home Park. It's a museum out there. It's the park is shut down. Now. There was a lot of things that happened with some people passing away out there. I don't want to say the word. And then there were some other things that that happened out there. But another story, this is this happened back in the nineties at the same at that same park. I had an uncle of mine. He had shared this story with me because he had heard my story, and he was he was a young guy he was out there with He was out there with my other uncle and some friends and and they're doing some teenage saying, wilding out, just doing their thing, and the cops come. So they're hiding up in those trees. And those trees you can climb up them because they're all low, but you can up there real high in that tree, and those cops are trying to find them, and eventually those cops decided to not mess with them and they went on. At least there's these trash cans out there that are really heavy, and some of them are bolted to the ground. Some of them are not, but they're like hard metal heavy trash cans. And my uncle said, when they got down, something through and then the trash came might have been three hundred pounds through it like a pebble at them from over there by that bridge threw it at them and it almost hit them. They were like, man, we gotta get out of here. What was that? What just threw that at us? And they took off And that was something that was shared to me here recently. I had never heard that story, and my uncle heard my

35:40 story and said, hey, I've had the same thing. Something similar to me. Happened to me at that part. But growing up, I'd always hear these stories of people seeing these things, and as I've gotten older, I think with age people say hey, I'm going to tell you the story, and with the podcast, people tell me their old school stories. And that's one thing I loved about doing is hearing these stories. But yeah, that's a few stories that I've shared around a campfire, but I've also had shared to me in that way too. Hold of that is incredible that you had that experience. You said, so are you making a noise like a like an owl? Like that type of thing, or.

36:25 It's like one of the Yeah, it's one of those. Because so the backstory on that is is my grandpa did the same thing to some people when he was in college, or he had a cousin that did the same thing, or but essentially, and this is when I'm getting goose, I'm telling the story, but I'm gonna tell you what he hoo did when he did that hoots sound, there was laughter in those trees at that park, and it was like maniacal laughter. And that's what that's what that's where I got that idea to do that. I'm gonna see if something happens, I'm gonna really mess with these people. But when thing about, like I said, when you call these things, when you call these beings and these entities, you're usually the one that has to pay the piper. And that's why that's why I a stepped away from the investigation side of that, because you know, I used to go out and I at one point I was trying to find a cult in a small town here in Oklahoma. I was finding animal bones, animal carcasses and all this stuff. But that's story for another time.

37:24 Maybe we'll talk about that another time. But yeah, man, it's that's the kind of the backstory behind behind those that hooting. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. That's incredible, And yeah, the cult ones for another time. What was the name of that park again that you had the two incidents were happening at, just for my notes, Merle Home Park. So it's it was. I think it's owned by the Tricky Nation actually, but it's basically the park is named after the house that that's at the edge of the road, and that house I think you can go and visit it, and it's haunted. It's truly haunted. Like I remember being a young guy seeing video camera footage of it of things moving in the house, like a full like chair moving across the floor of the house. I was like, man, that's crazy.

38:16 Got it? Merle Holme Park in park Hill? Correct, Yep, yep, sir, totally got it. Oh, that's very interesting. I feel like there might be some listeners that also have some stories from that area. Feel free to contact me big for Society at gmail dot com. Also, we'll have I'm pretty sure we'll have Yohola's contact info in the show notes for this as well, well, we'll ask him later on that. Yohola, I know that you've probably chatted to people from all over the state of Oklahoma. Just curious. Have you ever talked to anyone that's had any interesting stories from like Laflora County or Honabie or anything like that.

39:03 I know, so I had somebody tell me. And I don't know exactly where Garfield County is. I had to look, if you like, I can't exactly know where that's at. But I had a lady reach out to me about a time when she was a little girl in Garfield County back in the early seventies. I believe she was a little girl, and this is old. She's an older lady now, but she was telling me a story. By the time, she was walking on the train tracks closer to dark, and she looked behind her and there was a it was basically a sasquatch following her on the train tracks. And when she looked back, it was walking behind like it was. It wasn't close, but it was you could see it. She could see it. The outline of it was big, and then when she looked it darted back into the tree line, and then it followed her all the way down to where she was going.

39:45 Then she got home and they took off and went home. The story that I had heard o Nugby area is my grandpa used to do a lot of honeting up in the Kaimichi mountains and it wasn't really like an encounter, but it was more of the whole entire area where he was at with his buddy when dead quiet. Could hear a pin drop, any movement, you could hear something, and he thought it was odd, and he had coon dogs. But I haven't really heard much of Lafour County. I know that there's some history with the Chalk Talls out there. I know that there's a there's a famous I think there's a famous story about. I think it's the Chalk Talls. Basically they went in and had basically a war with these sasquatchs or these big foot and I think only one person survived to tell the story out of all these guys that went down there to take on this clan.

40:37 And I know that's that story has been around for a lot of years. Fascinating I can tell. So, yaholl you are a awesome guest because it's you're you have a wealth of knowledge about the state. It's incredible. So I might just start throwing some random things that you and see if anything hits, because I can't have this type of conversation with everyone. Have you ever heard any stories about hyaenas being seen in Oklahoma? It depends on what the what the description is, I'll tell you. So this is a weird story. And so I used to uber when I when I was need some extra money back when I was a younger guy.

41:22 This might have been about five six years ago, and I was out and this is in Bigsby, Oklahoma where this took place, and I was I got a dean and I went down into once you cross the river going into Bigsby South. When you're going south into Bigsby, if people are in that area or listen, there's a road that takes you next to the river that goes on down. There's a bunch of nice homes out there. And I had basically I picked these two girls up at the end of the road and I could tell that something was off with them. I was like, they look frazzled, I guess you could say. And me being conspiracy guy and I love cryptis and I'm into the spooky stuff, and I like to hear these things. And so I'm just driving and I'm not saying anything. I got the music on you. I'm just but I'm overhearing this.

42:09 These two girls talk about them seeing this weird looking dog about the same not I wouldn't say about the same size of the car, but it was a little smaller, and she goes they were like sitting there talking about it, and they were like, man, that dog looked weird, kind of looked like a hyena, kind of looked weird, didn't look like a dog. What do you think that was? And they're sitting there back there, talking and describing this thing sounding and to me, in my first thought, I thought it was maybe a dog man and I still think it might be, but they way to described it was like a hyena kind of looking thing, and because it wasn't bigger than the car, but it was like a little it was bigger than a dog, basically, and they were like, man, I don't know what that was, and they went on to basically, and I didn't ask them about it. I just stayed quiet because I wanted to hear it naturally from them. Because they were very I could tell that they were upset, like this thing scared them, and they were sitting there with me, and I don't know what that was. It couldn't have been a dog. It couldn't have been couldn't have been this.

43:14 I don't really know what that was, but it didn't look like anything I've ever seen before. I was waiting. But the boys, the guys, there was about six or seven guys that were out there at this I guess they're having a bonfire out there out in kind of this next to this house, I don't really know, but the details on that, but they ended up having to chew this thing off. Whatever this thing was. Now, is it a hyena or or was it a dog? Man? I really don't know. I just recently went and saw a live hyena at this place here, and I currently reside in Oklahoma City. But I went to this place and I saw a hyena, full grown hyaena, and the way that this girl described it, and I'm glad that's crazy you asked me this question. As I went and looked at this thing and this thing the way she described it, this thing was a little like it was way bigger than a dog, but it wasn't like four foot tall it was, but it was big. You could tell this animal is a really muscular animal. And I just thought that was an interesting story. You know that I heard from these two I based the high school girls at a bonfire. You know, it's crazy just overhearing them talk about it.

44:20 That's it's very interesting. And listeners, I'm going to shout out grifteds of the corn real quick. You don't listen to that, you need to. Your podcast is great and the greatest episode, I think is when they talk about hyenas and how a lot of dogman sightings are probably misidentified hyenas. It's very interesting. Please take a listen. I'm going to play in the show notes too. But yohola. That kind of leads into another question, is are there a lot of dogman sightings in your state as well? Besides bigfoot man. From what I've heard, I think they're running everywhere too. I'll tell you a crazy story. And this is a crazy story. This is This is in Oklahoma City. This is in Oklahoma City. This is the biggest city in Oklahoma.

45:12 I was conversing, we got a story. I got a story from this woman basically telling me about her childhood here in Oklahoma City, and she went on the way she described is the layout of their house and where their house was is was in basically a central part of Okamoa City. There was there's basically hardly any trees, but she did mention that there's a row of trees that connect on down that just I guess it's just undeveloped land that goes all the way out to wherever outside Oklahoma City. And I never really got what part of Oklahoma City that she was in. But she as a little girl one night and this is she always felt like she was being watched. And when she was playing outside and she might have been I think she said she was eight years old. She was outside just playing around and just being a little kid, and she also felt like she's being watched. And she told her mom, I'm scared to go outside. What's wrong? There's nothing out here, but there their fences backing up against this thick tree line, those trees that surrounded it. And one night she's sitting there in the in her bed and she just said in the way that she wrote it, it made it sound like she just rolled over like she was just tossing and turning. That night, and she looked over and there was this basically this wolf's head staring at her from the into the window, and it was just looking at her, and she looked at it and she I guess, well,

46:45 the way she described it, it was just like a she was shook, like she didn't know what she was looking at. And the window was not like a like a window that was on the ground. This was like a pretty high up window. And she's looking and this thing is this creature is looking at her through this window with red eyes, and it's almost like she felt like it wanted it to her to come outside, and she looked at it and basically screamed when she when eventually when it dawned on her, hey this is not normal. And when she screamed, her parents come in and then it was like the end of it. She had heard tappings on the window sometimes when she like because she would close the curtains a lot of times and just happened so that night that she had it open. But that's at Oklahoma City. But for me, that's crazy because it's like heavily populated area. Another story comes out of I believe it's out of the Salina area. Salina Oklahoma. No, I'm sorry, not Selina, Oklahoma. This is out of I believe it's north north northern part of Anyways, I'm getting into Minutia. But there was a story that elders used to talk about about a dog like creature that would run down this road and it was known to do this, and basically what it would do is it was passing through every It wouldn't be every night, but that would be its route. It would come through and it was like a dog on its hind legs running fast. An

48:15 elder one time, i Get was talking about the time that her and her brothers had heard something like some type of yipping and it sounded like baby coyotes, and she was like, what's that sound? And so they her brothers decide to go check it out. So they go through the woods and they get up to where they hear this kind of chirping sounds like coyotes, and what they see is an upright werewolf and it's yipping like a coyote, and they're like, what in the world. So they take off running and they run back the house and they couldn't talk. They couldn't speak for a whole thirty minutes. After and that's on the Cherokee Nation. Is one thing about dog man. I think it is a little bit confused sometimes when in non native circles. I'd say, is the difference between shape shifters and skin walker and a dog man. Those things are not interchangeable. They're different.

49:11 And I had their stories up and like I said in Northeast Oklahoma of shape shifters, a funny story. This is old, old medicine. But there's two These two women could do these things. They could shape shift into kind of wolf wolf like wear wolf type thing. And they would always be beefing with each other. They had beef for their entire life. They were never could never get along, but they would always beef with each other through through this kind of shamanism shape shifting thing. And there was a nurse one night and said that she saw a wolf, I guess on hind legs walking in the nursing home, walking around in the nursing home. It was that one of those ladies going in to mess with the other lady. There's getting back to two dog man. Something that happened to me when I was on the Illinois or when I was It was on Halloween night which is crazy.

50:00 I'm being very long win and I apologize and I'm hitting all these different stories and whatnot. But we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I was on the Illinois River driving to a cabin that we rented out on Halloween night and I saw something on the right hand side of the road and it looked like a wolf. It was on all fours, but it was sitting next on its hind haunches, like when if someone was bending down to get out of the way, if you're standing up and then you just squat down real quick. It looked like it was already squatting down. And I looked and I said, what was that?

50:42 And this is before I even knew about dog man. I had no idea about this, and I was like, what was that? And I was like, that's a big that's a big dog. I ain't never seen no dog like that. Fast forward to the night and people are like, man, I don't want to go outside, and I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, man, we pulled up there was a big old dog outside. It was like it wasn't near the house, but it was up up the road a little bit where I saw it, but it was on dal like it was coming closer to the cabin where we were at, and they were like, man, we almost hit this big old dog. Man. It was huge. We don't even know what it was like, I we didn't. We had to swerve out of the way. But that's how they're describing it. And there were some people outside sitting on the porch and where this is a big old doing young people things and and I guess I'm still young, but I'm saying young and dumb stuff like and people. I had some people tell me they swear on everything. There was a howl that came from the river and it was a big how we had music going and they heard it over the music, which is a crazy thing. But that's in that's all that's in Talllequah. That's up with the river in Tahlequah when it comes. But I can keep going. There's all just different types of stories. There's one out of kind of southern Oklahoma. When it comes to I guess it's like a it's like a trail to this thing has been running a trail than people have seen it. But yeah, man, there's I think they're I think they're pretty rampant here in Oklahoma.

52:06 I would say, without a doubt, you guys have some things going on down there with dog Man as well. Now do you not not even to mention your hyena story that I just randon decided to ask you about. Which is weird that came up. But I have a question. It's part of my ignorance. But so I know that on the Navajo Nation they have the Navajo Rangers? Is there an equivalent of that on the reservations in your area? So now I would say no. Now, granted, when you're dealing each nation here in the northeast and the five Civili tribes and it's some seminole Chalk Tall, Chickasaw, Cherokee and Creek and Mascogane Creek and everything has to be more corporate, now, I would say, and when it comes to that, But I would not be surprised, and this is just my thought is I would not be surprised if they had a unit or some type of paranormal investigative section of each Marshall or mar Turkey Marshals, and then the Creek Nation Lighthorse. I would be surprised if they went out and investigated, because the one thing that's happening in especially in Creek Country, is a lot of people are moving out of the city and they're buying land.

53:31 And I wouldn't be surprised that those christiecisally Creek Nature or chokey nations. They have people that go out and say, hey, we got a weird call of this seven foot tall hairy man. And they may be off the record, I don't know, but I would not be surprised at all if that's if they had something like. That, I wouldn't be surprised either. And if there's someone that's listening and that's you, and hey, if you want to reach out, that's cool. But yo, hold on, man, this has been such a fun and refreshing interview. Mike goodness, this has been a good time. Can you do you mind spending a few minutes talking about what the War podcast is, what listeners can expect to hear when they subscribe and listen to that.

54:17 Yeah, so a lot of the things that you guys hear, I do discuss some of these things on my podcast. I go a little bit harder when it comes to certain things. My podcast consists of basically true crime, conspiracy to native stories to basically anything and everything that goes bumping the night. And I try to do research on things, and I try to reach out to people and get information. But the podcast is available on basically Spotify, Apple, Google, that's on YouTube. I got some interviews on there. Every episode I think up until the latest one is up on YouTube. But you can find me, like I said, Warcry podcast. And you can even add me on Facebook too as well, Yahula Tiger. But send me a message.

54:59 Sometimes people just add me and I'm like, I'm gonna accept it because I don't know who you are. But if you send me a message and say, hey, man, I listened to I heard you on Bigfoot Society or I heard you here or I love the podcast, and I'll accept you because I nectally. Like I said, I like talking to people, and I like getting information and stories from people. Absolutely and listeners. If Jahola said something and it jogged your memory about something about Oklahoma, reach out to him, send him a message, get it more information for sure. But Yohola, it has been a pleasure chatting with you tonight. Yeah yeah, real quick. You didn't ask me about that, so have you heard about. This, You totally didn't. Yeah, go for it, man, So.

55:42 You didn't ask me about the casino that reportedly had that the video of that bigfoot coming out of the grass grease trap. Have you heard about that? I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah. So I've had an individual come forward and he worked security there and he himself before that video happened. Now, there's multiple theories, there's multiple different things that people say that happened, but he swears by this is what happened is essentially that and it is i'ms say whatever, we're here.

56:26 I've already mentioned it, so we're here. Essentially what happened was is the tribes confiscated it. The tribe confiscated that that video, Okay, but they were late, and allegedly there are copies possibly out there somewhere. Oh my goodness. And I would not be surprised if we hear twenty years from now that it came up that the videos resurfaced somehow. I've also heard a theory from someone different that said that Matt Moneymaker from the bfro bot it. Jeez, you're gonna get me. Sounds so much struggled. There's a big allegedly. That's wild. Okay, that's from somebody that works there. That's all that said that as well. Now, like I said, one thing about this tape, and this is why everything I'm talking about is allegedly, and I don't nothing is for certain.

57:17 But what I do know for sure is that from what I was told from this person that there was a group of older ladies and this is how this whole thing culminated into what it became. Is either this happened before or after, and I cannot exactly remember how they described it, but there was a group of senior citizens that had come to gamble, which is a wild thing to do, is to send nursing home people into in the casino to spend their nursing home money. So that's messed up yet, that is wild. But it was a bunch of senior citizens that I gets. I don't know if they said, I don't know if it was a nursing home, but whatever. The bus driver saw this thing standing at the tree line waiting for those ladies to come out, or those ladies and those men to come out, those senior citizens to come out, he took off and quit. Then that's then the guy that I, like I said, the person I've talked to basically saw one of these things and heard tree nonks and haulers I think the next night, and then that's when they got the film, and I've this is something that I've really I've been very interested in, and I've been trying to get people to come forward, and I've even put it out there on some episode, Hey have you heard anything, let me know, And like I said, I had this gentleman who worked, like I said, he worked there, and he was relaying to me that it's don't never say

58:48 never on that thing, because it may eventually come out, and when it does, it'll blow the roof off, because this is this tape was and if you remember, this is like what early few thousands, I believe maybe even before that. Maybe I remember seeing it on the news very briefly, and I remember they mentioned it here in Oklahoma, and that has been a thing that I have been trying to get to the bottom of, and I've been asking people basically since I heard about it, and like I said, they said one of the like I said, I heard that one of the managers went to the news station and that's how it got out and then they had to quickly reel it in and things like that.

59:28 So if anybody has heard anything about this videotape and about this casino, I'm not going to mention the casino because I don't want, you know, anyone to get in trouble for defamation anything like that. But everything, like I said, everything from the point that I mentioned the casino sid right now, it's all legit. But if you know anything, or you heard anything, or somebody that knows somebody, let me know, because I said, I've been trying to get to the bottom of this and this is a mystery that I would like to crack. Dude, I'm loving it. I love when people dig deep into their state mysteries about Bigfoot. I think that was back in two thousand and two or something around around there a lleged incident with the casino and the and the missing footage. It's just a fascinating story. And yes, listeners, if reach out to Yohola please.

1:00:14 I didn't even mention what was on the tape either. I'm sorry. So they so there was two different things that I was told from like I said, multiple people, is that they got a full shot of this thing, a full shot like a clear cut this is bigfoot. Then I also heard that all they could see, you know, from someone else, said that they all they could see was an arm or they can basically, this thing was eating the grease out of this trap and it was eating whatever was in that bit. That's what I've heard. Yeah, And the one that I think I believe is I think they've seen the whole thing. That's the story that I think that I believe is that they found that full the full video. The person that I talked to said he's seen it, and he said it was He said that he's a will never be able to read.

1:01:08 There's no footage out there that's going to be able to prove the existence of this thing, but that video will is what he told me. He's so, he's, holy mackrel, have you recorded an interview with this guy? So it's all not he may eventually do it. He's an older guy. He's an older gentleman. He's he's he's aged a lot. I'll say, yeah, he currently lives in a different country. And so he eventually he told me, he said, I'm going to build up the nerve and he said he may talk about it, but he has a lot of other stories about Canada dog Man, and he's got all types of other stories that that he shared with me. And but yeah, you never know, guys, you never know.

1:01:53 Those are the guys you need. Man, that's an interview right there. Man. Hopefully you can get that, get a great relationship with that gentlemen and be able to interview him. But man, I love talking to individuals like that. Well, Man, I'd be exciting to see if something happens from this in the future and maybe that video will will one day show up again. Be incredible, Yeah, it would be. Oh. I love a good mystery and that's a good mystery. Thank you for bringing that up at the end, Yo, hol this has been a good time. Man. Did you have any other closing thoughts before before we start to end out this episode. Yeah, I just appreciate you you having me on, and like I said, this a lot of the lot of everything that I have talked about or to me is it's all very interesting to me and it's very intriguing, And like I said, I appreciate you having me on, and hopefully we can do this again sometime.

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1:04:45 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's up there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see. One of these things, you need to tell, because if you don't, then shame on you. You have shame on you.