Bigfoot of the McKenzie River! | Oregon

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0:54 Great, Jeremiah, thanks for having me on the show. Awesome. We talked a little bit in the pre interview and this is going to get pretty interesting. There's even some Oakridge, Oregon related stuff for that I'm coming up, but Brad, I'm going to give it right over to you and we'll get right into it tonight. All right, thank you very much, Jeremiah. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon, and I was an outdoorsy kind of kid. My grandparents lived on the McKenzie River up near the town of Vida, and I spent all my childhood free time up there roaming the woods and the creeks in the hillsides. And grandparents are a little looser than the parents are about where the kid is, so I'd had free range to in the mountains. I never really thought about sasquatch or bigfoot at all growing up, and never really had anything happened to me that would make me think that there were any bigfoot around. But until I was about let's see how old one, I was probably around fourteen years old. Fifteen years old. My grandma would drive me up these old logging roads with my bow, and I would hunt these logging roads on my way and just wander my way back to her house down these logging roads. And there was a time she dropped me off and there about it's about a three or four mile walk back down to her house, and I was let out of the car, and the birds were

2:25 chirping and the squirrels were chattering at me, and I would usually sit and wait, sit in a little burrow ditch and wait for her car, so I couldn't hear a car anymore. And then I start walking down the logging road and never really planned on shooting a deer with a bow. It was more of just me being out in the woods. But anyway, I heard her car disappear out of range, out of my hearing, and all of a sudden, I just had this very strange sensation of being It's like the forest just went silent, and I just got a really weird feeling. So I'm standing on the logging road looking down into the ravine below me, and these three deer come creeping up out of the ravine, really low, really strange movement, hunkered down and almost trying to crawl, And they were covered in sweat, totally ladded over, and their eyes were bulging out of their heads and they walk within I could have reached out and hit one with touch one with my arrow. They were so close and they could have cared less that I was there.

3:32 I thought that was really weird. And so I'm looking down into the ravine where they came from, and a tree like it's just got cracked in half and was pushed over, and there was no wind, there was no reason for it to happen. It sounded like a helfy live green fir tree just snapped in half. And that was the first encounter. But again in the eighties, I wasn't figure it was definitely not on my mind. I just thought it strange and wandered on back to my grandma's house. And then, let's see, there was another time. I'm not going to back up to when I was a little. Younger and before you do that. So I just want to clarify something. So you when you were looking down the ravine, youse like you heard that tree get cracked in half and pushed over.

4:22 Yeah, I was dear walked by me. I couldn't figure out why they were. I'd never seen deer behave like that. They were just it was almost like they were creeping past me with her and their eyes were bull shout and they looked if you see a horse, it's all that's been run too hard. They just had this sheen of They looked terrified. And then this tree just goes crack and goes crashing down to the ground and green, not punky, just a green, big fir tree. It sounded like a mature tree, and it didn't freak me out, but I just was odd and so I high tail it. I just losed that to my grandma's house. When you were out the woods with your bow, did you ever hear any sounds out there that didn't fit with what should be out in the wood.

5:08 The only times I ever did are there are those stories I'm going to tell you other than that, Okay, never which is it's strange. I'd never it never crossed my mind. I was never no, no signs, or never even crossed my mind. I'll back up a little bit. I skipped this one. This has happened when I was ten years old on Lost Creek at Lost Creek Campground. It's on the west side of Mount Hood in nineteen eighty And I know the date exactly because the day after this event happened, Mount Saint Helens erupted. So maybe nineteen eightys when this happened, and I was camping with a family friend to the weekend and again this I completely forgot about this until I heard somebody tell a similar story. And it's funny how these things come back to you when you hear something. It just sparked this memory, and I was we were camping at this campground and it was a you pluw your trailer in, and it was a pretty crowded campground. And there we had a camper, there's a tent, there's a cable set up, there was a fire pit, so it was a cramped little space.

6:20 And it's night and my friend and I are sleeping in the tent and his parents are sleeping in the camper, and I'm laying there in bed. I don't know what time it was, ken between ten and midnight, probably because I wasn't in sleep yet, when I heard what sounded like a deer bounding through the camp bump bounding, and then it stopped right outside our tent. And we had a little cord that was a cold in the vestibule if we had it tied around a tree, and we just I kept hearing his dump put his twang in the cord, and I thought, oh, a deer must have jumped, jumped the cord or tripped into the cord or something, and then it thunked away. But what was weird is a few minutes later I could thump came back and it did the same thing. It was twaying in the little cord that was holding the vestibule of the camp cup, probably two or three twangs like a guitar string, and then it stumped, dump, dumped away through camp. That was it.

7:19 So I wake up in the morning. I was like, gosh, did you guys hear that deer in camp last night? And no one they didn't hear anything. And but then I started thinking this, there's no way a deer could have run through the camp because it's so there's coolers and there's stuff everywhere. Besides, it was flinting. The it was it would stomp sumpap up to the camp stop and then the little cord would go blinging boying and librate the camp. So that happened. It did that two times, and that was and then the next morning. That morning we forgot all about it because now Saint Helens had erupted while we were having breakfast, and you could hear the sonic boom and the ground shief and we all knew what it was. It was, you know, everyone in the Northwest was waiting for it to happen, So that sort of trumped whatever happened to me that night, which I was pretty cool. And then there was ash all over our cars the next day, it was cool. Let's see, I got another I'll talk a little bit more about what happened upon the McKinsey River where I grew up.

8:26 So let's see, this is a weird one. So the year was let's see, I wrote all this stuff, you know, nineteen. I was a junior in high school and if my grandma was a really cool old lady, and all my high school friends would come up there and spend the night. She'd cooked for us and we'd fish and run around the forest and play in the yard. And she had about thirteen acres. And one night we were out playing a game called kick the Can, which is like a hide and seek game where you put a can in the middle field and one person guards it. If someone gets tagged and you kick the can, the person who you tagged goes free. So we're all out there, probably eight of us, out playing this game, and I'm hiding in some ferns and all of a sudden, a couple of the people who are in that there's two people who are it. They're out in the field and they stop and they are staring up at the mountain side that's next to the property, And pretty soon all the rest of the kids come out and they're all looking up in the sky and what the heck's going on?

9:34 So I get out of my hiding spot and I joined them in the field and I look up and there are three green, bluish green I think there were bluish green balls of light about the size of beach balls, big kind of rubber beach balls you would see at like a music festival or something. And there was So if I'm looking straight across the property to the hillside is twelve o'clock. There was one at about nine o'clock that was maybe three or four hundred yards away, not on our property, but the next piece of property in the above the forest. There there was one probably ten o'clock that was right above where this creek runs down into our property. And then there was one at about one o'clock, and they were just green or beach balls, just hovering in the sky, and we're all like, whoa what's going on? What's that? We didn't know what they were, and the rolodex starts going over in your mind, is it a weather? Believing it? What is it? And then it was none of that. It was just these balls of light and at the same time, so they were just stationary in the sky above the fir trees, and there were different elevations, so one was down on our across from us flat, probably twenty feet above the fir trees there, and the other one was another up the hillside.

11:03 They were all the same distance ab of the fir trees, if that makes sense, And all of a sudden, at the very same time, they started descending into the trees, into the fir trees, and you could see all the boughs of the fir trees lighting up around them, and they just slowly went into the forest at the same time. It was really weird, and we freaked out and all went back inside and called it at night. So that was strange. So the next day, so if this is at the end of September, most of the kids left that next day and my buddy and I were going to go grouse something. We stayed, so we're like, let's go grouse someting. And so there's an old logging road straight across from my grandma's place, and so we always hunt this logging road and we'd hike a couple of miles up and there was this really neat kind of we're hunting in. I'd say its second growth, So the trees probably sixty or seventy years old and pretty mature forest.

12:03 But there was a really cool spot that the loggers had left. They didn't cut, maybe eight or nine acres with really beautiful old growth. And so we'd go hike to that spot, go leave our we'd always leave our guns outside that we never took anything in there, any guns or weapons, just because it was such as like a sort of a sacred place. It was really amazing. So we'd go and sit and does it, and then we'd hunt back down the road in my grandma's house. And there was a so between this neat, little old growth section and her house was a giant one of those big giant power lines that go across the state, those giant high tension power lines, and a little service road ran under it. And we'd always we'd go to the little old growth spot, come down and then turn down the little service room underneath the high tension power lines and eat a sandwich and drink something because it was in the sun. Because when you're in the on these logging roads and these big trees, it's like a tunnel and there's no correct sunlight. So we'd always go and get a little sunshine on our faces and have a sandwich and just sit and look out across the mountains.

13:19 So we've done that, we're on our way back down and we're it gets this is where it gets pretty weird. And so let me see. So I'm walking, we're walking down the road, and we're about to turn turn right to go down this little service road, logging road to eat our sandwiches. And from the from our right side, probably twenty yards in the just off the edge of the logging road in the forest, we hear two whoops, yeah, you know, really loud, and before we can really acknowledge what we just heard, we both just stop and freeze, and this way of unbelievable fear that I can't really describe came over us. It was like we walked into an invisible sort of bull of jelly. I couldn't move a muich and my friend, and this fear was I can't describe fear. It's just unless it's happened to you.

14:23 I think it's hard to explain. So the hoops happen, and then across the little service road there's another The forest continues, but it's the face of this forest is it gets a lot of sunlight, so there was scotch broom blackberries, so you couldn't really see into the little thicket of trees that was on the other side. And from that side, all of a sudden, and we're frozen and we can't move, and all of a sudden, I hear the sound. And I've gone online and listened to certain animals as I've heard people's accounts, and it sounded exactly like if you listen to what an alligator, a crocodile sounds like. They vibrate. I don't think they have vocal chords, but they make this weird, vibrating noise.

15:13 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. It sounded exactly like that at first, where just my eyes are bulging out of my head and the noise is just it's reverberating through this whole little landing that we're standing in we can kind of at this point, I'm sort of like, oh, I'm starting to maybe pivot around a little bit. I can my senses are coming back, and we're talking back and forth, like what the heck's going on? And as we start to talk, that sound and it's inhaling and it's just raspy inhale and just vibrating out this noise. It sounded like an alligator. And then it goes from that sound to and again I've listened I've found these sounds online. It sounded like a if you ever heard it, listen to a lion while it eats, like a big male lion eating kind of purrs and growled at the same time, so it would inhale.

16:27 You could hear it inhaling this really raspy noise, and then when it would exhale, it would make this sort of purring growl like a lion, but it was really loud, and all I could think of was, the thing's got to be the size of a rhinoceros, whatever's in there, and it was doing that. We would inhale and then exhale this purring, strange growl, and we're starting to freak out a little bit, obviously, and we're thinking to ourselves, right in the heck, we're going not a deer, not an elk, not coolar, not a bear, and not a person in there trying to mess with this. But again I'm not thinking Bigfoot at all, and which is weird because growing up in Oregon you hear about bigfoot, but it just wasn't entering my mind. So we're standing there and I'd forgotten we even have guns because we're just so scared. So as we start to shift our bodies, this is maybe a minute or two has gone by since we heard those initial whoops, so it's going by pretty quick, and the minds, my mind's just racing, racing, trying to figure out what's happening. If we start to talk, what are we going to do? How are we going to get because we have to walk underneath there because the road cuts down below where this is happening in this little thicket of trees, and the trees are probably there.

17:47 It's a newer grove of fir trees, and the trees were probably thirty forty feet tall, but you couldn't see, like I said, you couldn't really see in so We're like, oh, shoot, how are we going to get below get out of here? Because that thing is, Whatever that thing is, it's mad. So as we're shifting and we're starting to talk about what we're gonna do, I'm like, we got we each have a twelve eight shotgun. We could fire over the trees, wait for it to run off, and then booky out of there. And the minute I started to put my gun to consider lifting it up and firing it, the place erupted. It went from this weird, purring growl to just this screaming roar of I can't again, I can't describe it. It was just blowing through our body, like blowing through our bodies, and the trees started to shake, and there was branches starting to snap, and I remember seeing two trees that were probably thirty five or forty feet tall next to each other, just shaken violently back and forth. I'm like, gosh, what the heck can be doing that? And then they went from back and forth to front and back completely different directions at the same time, like something was grabbing them with their hands and just shaking them back and forth. So we're terrified and we don't know what to do, and I think I'm crying at this point, and just the cheer just pool overwhelmed.

19:15 So screw it. We got to get out of here. So we both agree we're going to shoot over this thing over the trees and then bolt underneath it. Hopefully it is the sound of our guns will scare it off. So yeah, we fire over the tree tops and we wait a second to see if we can hear whatever's in there take off. It didn't. It's just what we thought was pretty much max. It just elevated even worse, and it was screaming and making those crazy slams, and so we heck with it. We got to go. So we bolted and a few hiked on logging roads. You know that the rocks, it's not a small little gravel, their big rocks, and it's hard to keep their balance.

19:59 And so thinking the whole time is I'm going to wipe out and this thing's going to jump down and grab me because we're I'm running as fast as I've ever had before. My heroes were hit my butt and I got a shotgun and hiking boots on, and I'm We're hauling down this road and as I'm running underneath as we are, as we're running underneath where this thing is. I'm just thinking this thing's going to grab me. I'm dead, We're going to die. But for some reason, it never did. But the hair on my neck, I could just feel it above me. I never saw it, but I could just tell that there was and it was huffing, and at disappoint it had stopped for all the ruckus and was just up there huffing and breathing really loudly. And I could just feel, because I ran path ran underneath the thing, feel it above me, and I just thought I was going to reach down and grab me. But it never did. And so I booked it to my grandma's house, which we had to cross the road and down her driveway is probably one hundred yards long to afford her house was, and so we'd make it to the front yard and she's out in the yard. She must have heard the shots, and so she's out there, what's wrong, what's going on? I heard shots? And she's a tough old lady, and like we told her what happened, and we're crying and we're freaked out, and she looked at us and says, we ran into a big foot and we're like, we looked at each other and like, what for some reason, it's just still not sinking in.

21:25 That's what it was. And we're like, what do you mean we ran into a big foot? And she says, well, there's a pizza joint that's down the road from on the highway from her house that her and her friend would go to every Friday night and have her glass of wine and eat pizza. And she was telling me that they told us that when she would go, her and her friend Ellen would go and have pizza and drink wine, the loggers would. It was the loggers hang out back in the eighties. You know, the logging industry was very different back then. There's smaller operations and families and things. It was different than it is now. But that's where all the loggers would go and on Friday night hang out. She said that she'd overhear the loggers talk about things like this happening to them in the forest.

22:12 She said, I would hear a story after story of these sort of things happening, and hear them from these loggers who are out there doing it logging. And we're in the forest every day. That's it. And so the next day. So it didn't really affect me the way I hear people talk about getting terrified of going back in the woods. It was like it was erased from my mind. So the next day I'm up there and my friend had to leave, we had to go back to the Eugene, and so I stayed and I said, Grandma, I'm going to go and back up to where that happened and look around and see what I can see, because I'm still thinking. For whatever reason, I couldn't get it into my head that it was a big for it or sasquatch. I kept I'm going to go look for hoofs track. So I'm going to go look for claw more in the tree because that's what I thought it was. For some reason, I go up there. It's not very far away. It's probably less than a quarter of a mile from her house up this road, the logging road. So I go into this thicket where this had happened, and there's I'm not I knew nothing about bigfoot tracks or what to look for in that regard.

23:21 I'm just looking for cliffs prints, I'm looking for scrapes from antlers, and I'm looking for clom marks and there was none of that. But what was weird is that when I got into the thicket, because it had snapped a bunch of fur boughs, and there should have been broken boughs, you could see where they'd been broken off the trees where this scene had snapped them fresh breaks, but there were zero. I couldn't find any fur boughs on the ground. They were gone. Something picked them up and take them away, And the ground was really beat down. It's a lot of fur needles and things where I couldn't make out any tracks. I didn't see an obviously cooked prints or clal marks in the tree. So now I was saying it and I just forgot about it after that.

24:06 That is an incredible account, even though there wasn't a visual. That is a wild encounter. Do you think that pizza place is still there? I still go there? Yeah? Is that is that Ike's pizza? It's Ikes pizza him? All right, we can cut that out if you want. No, that's fine, Yeah, Ike's Pizza for sure. Yeah, I just I have a Google Maps up. The interesting thing I noticed is while you were telling that story, you were talking about how it was like alligators. How Yeah, the weird thing is that the thing you were, the thing you were describing, that's actually an infrasound thing. Oh it is if you look it up like when they used as bellows, that's an infrasound.

24:51 Oh no, way crazy. I didn't know. So you kept doing that. H yeah, yeah, that's weird because I've heard someone mention it on a that that's what it sounded like to them, And so I went and listened to it and say, whoa, that's exactly what it sounded like. And it just I don't know what and for sound does, but man, I was frozen. We couldn't move. It was like I walked into the invisible force field and was frozen in grace. It was so weird. I didn't feel sick, I never got knopious or anything. I just couldn't move and I was so scared that I was crying, and for no reason, because I don't think I think it that the wave when we froze halpened before I even heard anything. I think I was frozen in place before I even started hearing that alligator type sound.

25:44 That's wild. That element is enough for me to hearing. That's enough that you definitely experienced some crazy stuff in the woods that day, No question. It was bizarre. Yeah, it was weird. So end this part of the story. So I'd completely forgotten about this event. I was getting ready to graduate high school that next year, and I after I graduated high school, I'd moved to Idaho and became a ski bum for about a decade and spent all that time just in the mountain Idaho, exploring skiing, fishing, all types of all times of year, all seasons, and never even thought about sasquatch or Bigfoot getting crossed my mind and my ski bumb career and the years about. It's about two thousand and two and I'm going to school in Boise at Boise State University be my teaching certificate. And Boise is a really cool city.

26:40 There's the river runs right through town, and on the south side of the river there's the college, and on the north side of the river there are all these really pretty parks and concert little concert shells and things. And there's an old zoo, like an old one of the old school, small town depressing looking zoos, and so I would have to foot bridge. You get to the colleges right next to the zoo. So I think I'm a junior or something at this point, and I'm cruising on my bike and it's early in the morning, and I'm riding past the zoo and I hear these whoops coming from the zoo. I'm thirty one years old, and this happened. This event happened to me back when I was seventeen years old, and I just instantly froze on my bike and stopped and was just catapulted back to that discipline that I just told you about. Like instantly, I could see the color of the rocks, I could see the shit shadows, every tiny detail just came flooding back into me. When I heard these whoops coming from the zoo, it was really weird. And I had to go to class and the zoo hadn't opened yet, so I was like, I'm going once the zoo opens, I'm going over there and ask the zookeeper what the heck makes those noises? So I do, I go, Hey, I don't, I'm not. I don't want to go through the zoo.

27:59 I just want to No, I want to go to your primate area and will you show me. I've heard these really loud hoops this morning. Here, get what makes those noises, and he took me to the given cage and he goes, those are those are Givens, and that's what you heard in the morning, and they were making a little bit of whooping sounds, but it was identical, a little higher pitch and obviously smaller lunk capacy, but it was the exact same sound that I'd heard in the forest. It was bizarre. It froze me on my bike, like I stopped. I was oblivious at whatever was going on around me. I was just transported back to that gay in the forest. And up to that point, like I said, I hadn't never even crossed my mind until I heard those Givens coming from the zoo.

28:46 I'm so glad that you said the little higher pitch because I personally have heard similar things and I was just thinking in my mind. I was like, it is very much the same, but it's a little lower. And when you said little higher pitch, I was like, yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. But the same kind of sound, just yeah, just a little higher tit. It was weird that would just that sound catapulted me back in times and every single Geekaill just became so vivid. It was bizarre, not a terrible memory. I can't remember anything. I don't know what I had for dinner last night. But how in the heck that could happen and everything be so clear? It was just it was really strange, that's wild.

29:31 I have a few questions before we leave this part. Did you ever ask your grandma if she had any bigfoot experiences when you were out there with you. Know, I don't, I don't remember, but she never would have told me anyway. She was pretty sure she wouldn't because she wouldn't want to scare them from going back in the forest. Gotcha, because it didn't slow me out of bed, I just kept going back out. Yeah, So I didn't ever. Asked big for society who would be right back? After these messages, I share with the Patriot members a little bit about upcoming episodes, and they're really interested to read about what you had sent over. And some of them had some bombers like, Hey, if you guys have questions for this INTERVIEWEE put them in the comments. So there's a few that are actually related to this part. I believe slayas have these events? Have they affected your ability to be in the mountains, in the woods, at all, or did it not affect you in a way where you're like, I'm never going in the woods again.

30:46 It didn't, Like I said, I forgot about it for some reason. It never weather, It never slowed me down again. Like I k moved to Idaho and was I spent. I was out in the woods all the time. Now were gotcha? Never had a negative effect. And even now I live back in Oregon and we're out all the time. I'm aware and I'm very conscious of that, and I treat the florest a little differently, I think, in terms of how I approach it. You know, I'm a lot I have a lot more gratitude. Absolutely. Scott had some questions. They're interesting. So you alluded to how if you grow up in the Pacific Northwest you know about Bigfoot? Right, So his question is living in the Pacific Northwest, Bigfoot seems to be part of the culture.

31:36 Were you a believer before your experiences and you had some really young age experiences. Yeah, but I'd never equated that the big Foot until I heard someone talk about it on the podcast, and then I was like, well, kind of like the bike thing of the zoo just triggered this event. So someone mentioned it on their shirt on I was like, oh, wow, that kind of happened to me. Yeah, I had a hunch it was really you know, I seeing the Roger Patterson film, and I think at that point though, when I was a kid, I felt like they just there was one of them and that's where they lived down in California, and we joked we did a lot of camping, and we were always joking about it that I don't think anybody took it serious for some at least that the people hind knew. And then there's circle of friends I hung out with until that point, can but you hear about it that it just was never I don't know if we wanted it to be true because it would keep us from going out. Maybe we just turned it out. We camped in places where I hear about accounts, the Coast range outs all over the place, and aside from these few events that I've had happened to me, for the amount of time I spent out there, these are very few.

32:44 There was also an interesting part where you were sharing about the lights coming down into the trees and you saw those large lights so. The rights, Yeah, that was really weird. There were three of them, and there was one that came down to our I guess that would be to the east. It was maybe at the edge of our property, or maybe just passed the edge of our property. We had about thirteen meters and it just into the forest. And then there was one that there's a creek that runs through our property and it comes down the mountain across the road, and one of the lights went down and on the left side, to the east side of that drainage, and the other one came down basically right on top before this encounter happened. Oh really the next day, Yeah, so this the third light was the light came down into basically that because it was I'd Google Earth the distance and it was five hundred and twenty yards away as the prostbark and it was basically just right on top before that happened. And I never crossed my mind until I never connected the two until I started hearing accounts with lights and satin sasquatch being related. And I don't know whether or not this, but I never saw those lights and I had never really had an encounter like that until are they connected? I don't know.

34:03 That's pretty close to what is I think he was getting at Scott was getting out with his question perhaps relations to lights, was seeing that he may believe that there are big paranormal ties or just a coincidence, or or just a lot of questions. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like the word paranormal. I just think it's nature that we don't know about love it. Yeah, I think it's beyond I think it just has been happening. And I don't know if he's two or connected, but it just seemed weird that the light literally went into the forest where this occurred. And again I never made that connection until when I started listening to podcasts even that dal what is happening and I'm like, oh, the light came down and now there's something in there. It was started the sting from my mind, which is bizarre now that I keep back.

34:52 And what are the chances that you have this light coming down almost in the same area where you have this encounter, And it's like that, man, it's got to be connected somehow, But yeah, we just don't acknowledge you. And that now having heard enough people being interviewed who have had similar things happen, people are so afraid they're just say you could. I think that's probably connected. How could it not, because I've never seen lights before that, and I never had an accounter Clait in that spot, which is too much for coincidence. Any UFO activity ever in this area, not in that area. Hu huh. That's pretty fantastic. Feel free to continue. I know, I think we have a few other things to discuss as well.

35:35 I've got yeah, I've got a couple more on These are not related to this robbery on the Mackenzie either. More along the Lamit Pass area, which is from Eugene at south, so you go through oak Ridge and you'll end up at Crater Lake and if you keep going south, you'll end up in Flammoth Falls. But when I wasn't at up at the Mackenzie at my grandma's place, I was out. My dad loved to fly fish, and he got me into fly fishing when I was really young, and we would He had a spot up right in the town of oak Ridge where there's an old I don't know what's there now, but there was a rock corry in town and the river of the Lammette River flowed through at the bottom of town and we would fish this rock Corry and it was really excellent trout fishing.

36:23 And I was with my dad. I was probably twelve or thirteen years old, and we were up fishing the rock corry and we'd caught some fish and there was a little isolated pool of water up against the hillside that the fish couldn't get out of. So I didn't keep fish or we didn't eat them. We'dn't let them go. We'd catch them release them, but I would. I was young, and so I put him in this little pool of water and just watched him swim around. I was gonna let him go eventually, and my dad, okay, let's go up and around the corner and fish this riffle. And we're like all right, so we leave the fish. There's probably four or five fish a rainbow trout in this pool that's probably the size of a little plastic kiddie pool.

37:14 But there's no way in or out. There's no way for the fish to get out, and it was in the shade I put it. I made sure they were in the shade. The forest came down and so the fish had some shade, and I was gonna let them go when we got back, So we go with fish, and we come back and the fish are just completely gone. There's no sign that a bird had come and plucked them or anything. It was just really strange. One minute the little pools full of fish and the next minute they're gone. I don't know if that has anything to do with Bigfoot that it was really weird, and it was up against the hillside and it was just an odd to come back. And we both looked at you just like, you know, where'd they go? There were no ravens around, there were no I don't know what could have came in took that many fish. So that's an interesting side note. And then I have one more. And this happened at Murray Lake in nineteen eighty seven. I was a senior in high school and we were there were five of us, and we're going to go. Three of us we're going to hike. We're going to camp at Murray Lake. And three of us we're going to hike the south side of Diamond Peak and ski the snowfields up there and come back and camp. And the other two guys we're going to hang out at the camp and fish. We leave the trailhead and we're hiking to the lake and we get maybe a mile and a half two miles into the hike and we come to a lily. So this is all pine trees and

38:45 it's high desert y mountains. It's not rush like it is on the on the McKenzie where there's ferns and big fir trees and stupets. Are a bit different ecosystem. So we're hiking through these dry pine this little dry pine forest, and we dip down into this space and that's maybe four or five, three or four acres. Then it's just but it's and it it turns into a totally different clay ecosystem. It's there's ferns, there's cedar trees, it's just there. It's really beautiful. There's a little bog like a fresh water bog type spring coming out of the ground. It's beautiful. And as we're there's five of us and we're walking in and we're all thinking the same thing, Oh wow, we're going to explore this is really pretty. And the minute we all got to this the crown of this little the trail where we were going to drop down into the this area, this smell just wopped in on us, like I don't know, like really needed dead, like skunt cabbage times ten with I don't know how to explain this awful smell came out of nowhere, and we instantly all decided we're just going to let's just keep going and keep walking. Not for us not to explo something that cool at that age, you know, as a kid, it was bizarre that we all chose to keep going, and then the smell just instantly vanished as we left that spot. So we get

40:16 to this lake and where we say, nothing happens, there's we just camp. Everything's normal. So next morning, two of my buddies and I hike Diamond Peak and we can go and we're skiing and we make it back to camp and there's a note they tacked up and left. The other two guys split they were gonna fish while we speed and we got back to camp and they'd left, and there was a note saying mosquitos were too thick, so we left. So you're back in town. But the mosquitoes weren't that bad. It was weird. It's not like them to peel out of here, especially during the day when there's the bugs are not real buggy during the day.

40:56 So I found whatever so we camped and nothing, really nothing happens, and we get back to town the next day and when we run into our buddies, they're like, hey, it wasn't that buggy. How why did you guys leave? And it took him a second and they looked at each other funny and said, the truth is, when we were fishing, we kept hearing noises coming out of the forest. We kept hearing sticks breaking, and we kept hearing strange grunting noises. And we played it off as a bear at first and thought nothing of it. Thought we'll just go around the other side of the lake and fish. But they said it followed him around the lake. They could hear it chasing him in the forest and was making these weird noises at him. And that's all I got from them. They said. So we got back to camp and just felt really uneasy and decided we'd tell you that it was too buggy, and we split. We got out of there. We were scared. And that's that's that story.

41:55 What year was that around? That was night? That was night? Here I wrote it down The Diamond Peak nineteen eighty seven. Okay, interesting, There is a report on the BFRO from Diamond Peak Wilderness area where three hunters are out there they hear a very loud scream thirty to forty five seconds. There are reported things from that area, at least one report that's public, but that whole area, from what it sounds like is there's activity all over the place. Yeah, it's it is very The problem what's happened in the last handful of years is forest fires that's ravaged some of these places where I'm telling you about this place on the McKenzie through maybe twenty twenty just got that whole valley got wiped out by forest fire there hill side and all these things happened to me on it's gone now it's burnt. Oh wow, it's depressing. It's really sad. So yeah, I don't know. It's coming back a little bit. There's some greenery growing, but the big thir I don't know how long it's going to be until the fir trees come back. There's some maples growing and things like that, and some ferns, but it got cooked pretty good. I think that's about all they got.

43:17 Oh there's a couple of other things if you want to hear about this happened in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, I think somewhere in there. Like I said, I lived in Idaho. I'd moved to Idaho in nineteen eighty nine and came back in twenty twelve and we moved back to central Oregon, but we still have the property on the Mackenzie and I still have it today. I spent a lot of time over there. But so in twenty seventeen or eighteen, it was Thanksgiving around Thanksgiving and I was out and this happened a couple nights in a row. Was really bizarre. I'm out in the yard. It gets start real early, maybe five or six in the evening, but it's pretty it's dark, and it's pouring down rain.

44:06 It rained a lot over there, and I don't know what I'm outside doing, using them, going to the bathroom or something. And I hear what sounds like up and it's like I had said, there's a creek that runs through a property and it drains out on this hillside across the road. And I heard what sounded like the truck breaks screeching down like the like they sound like they're wet and screeching down a road. Just this weird metallic grindy sound coming from where there was no roads at all. It was just a ravine with a creek in it, and it was really loud and freaky. It was just like what the heck, but it sounded just like metal on metal breaks. And I heard it maybe two or three nights in a row, and then on that same time for a me maybe a day or two later, my neighbor comes up over and he's maybe a couple one hundred yards down river from me, and he's like, Man, I was in my house and I started hearing these owls coming from your property, like huge owls, giant owls coming from your property. So I went outside and I was listening, and I could hear them. They sounded like owls, but it was like they're huge and the way too, but they sounded like owls, but they didn't sound like owls because they were huge. And I kept so I started walking towards your property, and that sound kept going on, but it kept moving away. So

45:36 the closer I'd get, the further it would they would move off, until it sounded like they were in the forest on the east side of your house, and they just it just vanished. The noise stopped, which I again, at that time Big Flip, I had not ever heard a Big Floot podcast, and I just thought that was weird. Same with the brake screeching thing. But now knowing what I know because of not being listened to these podcasts, it's like, huh, you hear about al and you hear about these weird sounds. I thought I'd add that to some of the things that I've experienced. That's probably that's some of the weirdest things. And this is back in twenty seventeen. You said, Yeah, seventeen or eighteen, I can't remember. In November, so you still own that property?

46:23 Oh yeah, I'm there all the time. Oh okay, And I'm a school teacher, so I get it. I spend my whole summer over there. Nice anything weird sound like that? Sound wise happened lately or just the last time was back in seventeen or eighteen, that was it. Yeah, And then, like I said, in twenty twenty, the fires put through there, and yeah, took everything out. But I did set up a game cam before, and I wouldn't get anything. I got tugers and bears and deer and turkeys. That was it. But Yeah, it was. It sounded like breaks screeching down coming down the creek pad basically when they're there's no road. It was bizarre. And then I had never heard the owls, but my neighbors said it freaked them out. He said, you could hear him over his TV one hundred yards down river from me.

47:10 So he's an older city guy, so he didn't know what to make of it. I definitely feel like there's some sort of memicry that's involved. You hear things like what you mentioned. You also hear things like car doors slamming where there's no cars, or rusty gates is one that's just it's very strange. Yeah, the rusty metal, that's what it sounded like, rusty metal, and it's bizarre, and it was loud. It was just right across the road for me up on the villa, and then there are a couple of logging roads up there, but this was nowhere near one of the roads. It was just coming out of the forest.

47:50 Which knows You've definitely had some really interesting things happen over your life so far, and thank you so much for sharing with myself and the listeners, and it's amazing you still have that property area up there. Yeah, aything else happens, definitely, feel free to reach out. I will indeed. Yeah, thank you for having me on the show. I appreciate your time and I'd love listening to your podcast. Do you think you might make it down to Oakridge this summer coming up. I'll have to look at my schedule. Yeah, i'd like to. I've never been to one of these before. And my twelve year old son is heavy into the whole sasquatch thing, so I might bring him over and check it out, maybe camp or something.

48:37 It's going to be a hop and time. If he's in the Bigfoot, there's gonna be people there that it's the time that they're in Oregon. They probably won't be there again. But man, I know we make it over to Cliff's Museum once a year, little pilgrimage. So we'll go and we'll go and get a little place in the forest and go squatching and go cock the cliff a little bit. So that's pretty fun. How cool is that? Man? Yeah? And those flips I heard, And he's got that giant fasquatching is museum yep. And he's got to hook up some sound hooked up to and that's what those whips sound exactly like what he's got. Going on in Murray and Sasquatch love it. Yeah, I got to get over there myself one day for sure.

49:20 But it's cool. Yeah, keeps adding to it, so we keep going back. Absolutely, Brad, thank you so much for hanging out and I hope to maybe hear from you again someday in the future. NB Jeremiah, thank you so much. Just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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