Oct. 2, 2024

Bigfoot Roams All Over Northeast Oklahoma!

In an astonishing episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Mary from Oklahoma, who shares her lifelong experiences with Bigfoot. Growing up around Grand Lake, Mary recounts numerous encounters, including strange...

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Season 1

In an astonishing episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Mary from Oklahoma, who shares her lifelong experiences with Bigfoot. Growing up around Grand Lake, Mary recounts numerous encounters, including strange knocks, whooping sounds, and even sightings of Bigfoot and their footprints. She details an unforgettable moment when she saw three Bigfoots, including two smaller ones, across a ridge. Mary's stories dive deep into family lore, where even her devout Christian grandmother was aware of Bigfoot's presence. The episode also explores the cultural context, local folklore, and other supernatural encounters such as skinwalkers, paranormal activities, and even a strange creature dubbed the 'shadow man.' From eerie Indian drums to an old bootleg cabin turned Bigfoot nest, this episode is a treasure trove for Bigfoot enthusiasts and anyone fascinated by the unexplained.

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Slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege

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of talking to Mary today. Mary's an individual that reached

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out to me from the great state of Oklahoma with

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some interesting things that she's experienced over the years. So Mary,

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it's great to have you on the show today.

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Nice to be here.

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Absolutely, we were talking a little bit beforehand, and it

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sounds like we'll definitely be getting into some interesting things.

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Feel free to take us back to when all this

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interesting stuff happened to you in your life.

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I think the first time I'd actually experienced anything bigfoot

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wise was when I was growing up on Grand Lake

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and I lived with my grandmother and we would pick

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Cuckoberriestan in the summertime, and we would be out in

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the woods and we would hear strange knocks or just

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strange noises that didn't sound like normal wildlife noises. And

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anytime we would hear them, she'd be like, Okay, we

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need to move to this area or we need to

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start thinking about moving back out. And I would ask

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her one she'd be like, well, they don't like us

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being around, and that was what she left it at

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You're young, you don't ask questions, but you learned to

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listen for the knox, and then at times you would

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hear the whooping, and during certain times of the year

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there would be a lot of it, a lot of

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activity of the whooping and knox. Late at night, especially

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early summers, there was always seemed to would increase and

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you could go out into the woods and you would see,

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you know, footprints sometimes, or you'd see tree branches down

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where yesterday they had been just fine. You would see

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where the undergrowth was kind of pushed. I remember finding

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areas where the berries were just picked bear, but over

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in another area they were fine and just there was

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all kinds of just I want to say, at that time,

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I felt like its weird, but you just got used

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to it, you know, you'd learn to listen for the

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not learned to listen for wolves. If you heard any

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of that, you didn't, you know, stay in that area.

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You moved. And while I was young, the first time

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I actually saw one, my grandmother, myself and her best friend,

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who was a debout Christian, never said bad words, didn't

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do anything wrong, you know, I didn't think she'd be

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the type to believe in a big foot. We were

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out on this one ridge, it was real any way

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back into the woods, i'd say two to three miles

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almost to the lake. And we were standing there and

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we looked across the haller and I saw something up

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in the cave across from a haller and the bluff,

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and she was standing there beside me looking in that direction.

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I'm like, do you see what I see? Because I

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wasn't going to tell her if she wasn't going to

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say I wasn't seeing. I knew what I was seeing

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was there was a bigfoot standing there. And she goes, yeah,

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I think that's a bigfoot. And I was like, it

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is a bigfoot and she goes, it's looking at us.

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I'm like yeah. She goes, we might need to, you know,

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move out of this area where they can't see us,

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because it was just staring at us. There was a

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bigger one. And then when we were moving backwards, we

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glanced back and there was two others, two smaller ones

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up in there. And we went to go find my

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grandmother and bring her over to show her, and they

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were gone at that point. My grandmother goes, we need

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to leave. And as I got older, my grandmother or

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said that she had been taught when she was little

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that you just if you hear them or see something

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of them, leave, just go back to where you came.

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They won't bother you as long as you're not messing

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with them or in the area where they're at. You

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would get us. You would get used to seeing like

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tree limbs that are too high up for a person

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to knock down or pull down. I would say pull

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because it didn't really look like they were knocked over.

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It looked like they were deliberately broken along paths, and

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it looked like they were a long game paths where

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you would see the deers and stuff come through. I know.

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The one thing I did notice was there's a huge

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spring down and down on the Grand Lake. It's called

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the Great Spring. The Indians used it because it was

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a wonderful water source. The water, they're so pure and

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fresh tasting. It's amazing. But you could always see where

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they were around. You could see the footprints of it,

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and they would footprints would go back up the hills

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and you could when you got down there. It's just

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a different feeling in that area. It's like you you

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felt that they were watching to see what you were

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going to do. But I was never really scared of

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them because it just wentn't something. It was just, oh,

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they're here, pay attention for him. You know. They would

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get loud that night. You know, you could hear them

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in the knocks and the woofs really loud during the summertimes.

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Fall in winter wasn't too bad, but summer was the

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main time we heard them. And we'd see glimpses here

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there and yonder through the years. You would just see

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like silhouettes of them.

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The footprints that you saw over the years. How how

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long would you estimate those footprints to be?

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Goodness, definitely bigger size, bigger than size thirteen. Okay, wow,

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some smaller there. I had seen some through the years.

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It was probably I would say about a woman's size

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four or five. You like, they were young, but the

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big ones were definitely over thirteen. Yeah, like at twelve

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or thirteen. My kids, my boys were twelve's and they

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were definitely bigger than that.

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The area that we're talking about, this Grand Lake area,

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what county is that.

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It's in Delaware County. Grand Lake, Its Cherokees is the

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land the lake was actually built. They call it Grand

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Lake of the Cherokees because it was actually built over

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the Cherokee Indians where they burial mountains are are used

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to be. They tried to get as many up and

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moved as they could, but they did miss some and

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so they just can't come off it as Grand Like

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over the Cherokees, and then they shortened it through the

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years to Grand like the Cherokee. That's what I was

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told by my grandmother who was actually there when the

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lake was built. The original town is still under the water.

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They just literally flooded it. Once they built out where

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they wanted the like to go, they flooded over it.

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I'm assuming there's been a ton of Bigfoot sightings beside

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yours in that area as well.

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Yes, yes, my sister in law experienced them through the years.

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My nephews have my cousins. If you go out into

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the woods hunting up there, you're gonna hear them if

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you don't see them. Just last year, there was a

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woman on Facebook. She's like, what in the world am

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I hearing? She goes it sounds like weird Indian drums,

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and we're all like Okay, that's just the bigfoots knocking,

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you know, just leave it alone. They'll be fine. You're

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not gonna die, It's okay. Because she was freaking out

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about it, she thought something really strange is going on.

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I think my grandmother said she first remember hearing about

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them as early as when some of her ancestors had

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settled in the area and they come off the trail

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oft hears, and she said it was just, you know,

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they've always been there. She felt like, I know. The

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one thing I noticed was weird to me was we

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had actually seen one time one year we went out

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and there was a cabin. It used to be an

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old bootlegg cabin. Bootleggers would stay in it and did

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their little moonshine stills and stuff in there. Anyway, I

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was out there exploring one day and I thought, oh, my,

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going and see you know what's in this thing. I

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go inside and there's a big nest in the building,

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like they actually discovered they could use the building as

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protection from the elements, and they built a big nest

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in there, and it stunk so bad. Oh my goodness,

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did it stink. I remember coming out there thinking, oh,

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that's where's the skunk. It was so bad because the

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smell is just I don't even know how to describe it.

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It's just awful. And even today where I live at now,

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if I hear if I am out and I smell that,

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I'm like, okay, they're around here somewhere, because once you

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smell it, you don't forget it.

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What materials was the nest made out of?

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Brush? Leaves? Mainly? I think there was a little bit

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of maybe pine stuff in it. That was mostly brush

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and leaves. I would say about the size of the

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love seats, and Diane in like with, yeah, yeah, it

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was decent sized. It was a decent sized thing, and

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I thought it was cool. But once I told my grandmother,

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She's like, nope, you're staying out there.

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So this is a weird one. But did you get

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close enough to see what specific type of brush was

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used in the nest?

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To me, it looked like young oak saplings brush because

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up in that area is mainly the brush would be

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oak or walnut about that material that's mainly what's out

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There's oak and walnut trees, some elm, but not much,

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but that's what it looked like it was. And then

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like I said the pine there was pine needles, and

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they might chick some pine limbs off. Wow.

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So that is that's very very interesting, especially that part

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where it's inside.

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See, that's what threw me was because before then I

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had seen, you know, where you could tell where they

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had knocked trees over to kind of make a protection.

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And I know that they have been in the caves

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from seeing the one in the cave obviously, but also

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the Great Spring has a cave behind it, and it

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was common knowledge that something large lived in there and

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you didn't go in there, and so we're like, okay,

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what would be in there that's large? And I asked

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one of my cousins, I'm like, well, is it the panther?

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And he goes, no, it's not the panther, Like, oh okay,

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And I left at that because I knew what he

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was talking about. It's not the panther.

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The legend was that people would see a large creature

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then and in that area of the cave.

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Yeah, yes, yep, they would see it in the cave.

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I think, I don't know who, but there was a

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story that I heard from my dad that some kids

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went down in there and came hauling. But out and

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never went back. Wow. So I'm like, I didn't try

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it myself because I can't swim, so I was not

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To get to the cave, you have to go through

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the water and obviously I wasn't going to do that.

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I can't swim because it's a very deep spring. Oh

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it's a natural spring.

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Yes, so I get it now. So in order this

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is a cave behind the waterfall, you had to swim

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through the waterfall.

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Oh no, there's no waterfall. Oh, there's no waterfall. It's

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a big spring about the size, oh goodness of a

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thirty to thirty house. It's not big. Were around. I mean,

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it's a huge spring and it fed into Grand Lake

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and behind it was the cave, and you'd have to

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go through the spring to get up into the cave.

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Okay, that's that's wild. When you had the sighting, were

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you close enough that you were able to notice any

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details about what you saw or I.

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Could just that one of them was tall, you know,

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very tall, and then two smaller ones. I could tell

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that they did have the long hair. It looked like

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reddish brown to me, but I was a holler away

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from them. I couldn't tell close up features, but you

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could tell what they were because it was daytime. It

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was like maybe we went out six, It got out

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there about seven thirty. It was probably was mid mornings.

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It was probably about ten or eleven when we saw them,

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because I remember after that she's like, we're coming home

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and it's a long walk back out and it's on

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an old wagon trail.

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Have there ever been any reports in that area of

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aggressive encounters.

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I've heard of some, but I don't know if it

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was actual. I don't think they were physical, but they

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were scary. I know. I've heard of hunters coming out

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just scared to death of something they've heard or seen

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in there, but they won't talk about.

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It big so society will be right back after these messages.

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We've noticed dogs, the hunting dogs would come hauling out

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for no apparent reason. You can tell when there's they're

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around two because you don't hear as much wildlife. It's

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like the wildlife stays more quiet.

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Does anyone and ever poor any like weird communication or

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hearing any like language type stuff or anything. I've gotten

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the area.

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I hadn't heard anything. I don't know if anyone else

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has on that. They've never really said, I know, most

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of what we heard was always just the whoops and

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the knocks. Now you could hear some knocks. You'd hear

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like a series of knocks followed by whoops, and then

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they'd knock again, and you could tell they're were coming

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from different areas. You know, you could tell if you

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stand up there and listen, you could tell like if

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once to the right of you, and then from the

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left they would respond okay.

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So you had situations where you were having multiple talking

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to or yes, something communicating through knock patterns all around you.

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Yes, yes, yeah, that's common, especially in the early evenings.

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I was always out in the woods. They're definitely up there.

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They travel through this area regularly. I know today they

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still have people here in them and seeing them.

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And just so listeners know what we're looking at here.

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So we're in the northeast corner of Oklahoma here, which

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is over by the Ozarks, right.

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Yeah, there's areas where it's very heavily wooded, not a

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lot of people. There's cave you know, caves that go

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distances in there. I know it's closed up now, but

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they're used to be a cave that did run from

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what is now Grove and come out on the south

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side of grove up on a hill and you can

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actually when the water goes down, you can see the

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one cave entrance.

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Wow.

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But the other side is now under a parking lot.

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So I know the caves run through, and that could

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be one way where they're getting from one area to

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the other is through the caves. And I know there's

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caves in there people have not been in because they're

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up on hillsides or they're just too far to get

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to very easily.

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There's a question I want to ask you, mainly for

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just my own curiosity because of the geography of the

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area that this is the factor I've seen come up

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in different areas that are like yours. Are there also

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reports of other things besides bigfoot that would also be

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considered similar creatures in that scenaria.

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There's skies. What's that skiely is like a little they

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call them little people, Okay, but there's little creatures. You'll

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hear them, see them occasionally. There is definitely a lot

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of paranormal activity. Ghost lies. That's just something else you

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get used to seeing and hearing. That's just part of it.

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There's panthers up in there, there's black panthers, there's haven't

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I personally haven't seen any aliens up in there, but

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you know, I've heard a couple of people say swear

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they've seen them. I do know, you know, you see

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weird bites occasionally. That just something that's unexplained.

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Those are all things that I was not expecting to

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just come up. That's that's pretty intense.

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I grew up, I grew up around there, so I'm

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used to it. You know, I'm used to I live

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in a haunted house, I'm used to it.

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Okay, what was it like growing up in an area

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where there's everything from little people to ghost to black panthers, aliens, bigfoot?

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For me, it was normal. Okay, for me, it was

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absolutely normal because I was just raised up that it's

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part of what's up there. You know, it's just around.

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You accept it, and they won't mess with you. If

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you don't mess with them, you know, if you don't

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show no aggression towards them, or you know, and you

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acknowledge they're there, then you're fine. You know. That's just

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the way my grandmother taught me, and so I've never

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I've always had the acceptance of it. So It's not

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like I moved in I'm like, oh, no, what am

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I dealing with? I always knew what I was dealing with,

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and so it never bothered me. I mean, I ran

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free all over those woods, and I was a kid

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grown up in the eighties and I was all over

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the place up and there never phase me a bit

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to be out in the middle of nowhere by myself

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with them. Even today, you know, you just you accept

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it and deal with it and go on.

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Do you ever have any interactions with the Skeees that

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you know of?

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No? No, thankfully they chose to leave me alone because

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they're achievous little things. But my cousins have told stories

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about them, you know, stealing their stuff and putting it

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in different spots or terrorizing them. But thankfully they chose

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to leave me alone. I think it's just because I'm like,

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you know, whatever, right?

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Is this another name for the fay? Do you think?

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Have you ever heard that term?

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I think so. I believe so. I believe so because

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skeely is an Indian term from what I've understood, and

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so it very well could be to me that it

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makes perfect sense.

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Okay, so you mentioned you have you've lived with in

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a haunted house, which is I'm sure you have all

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sorts of weird stories to do with that.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got to well, I

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lived in hont house growing up. Through the years, we've

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lived them on the warm where nail is currently hanted,

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So yeah, it's done. While I was growing up, where

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we lived at was on the old wagon trail, it

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was on the actual Settlers trail. My family farm was

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one of the first farms actually put as a farm

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when Indians got land, and there was numerous areas where

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you could have cold spots or you'd see just a

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white figure. There was an old cabin that was it

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had to have had something to do with cowboys or something,

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because when it's rainy nights and thunderstorm and if you

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stand outside where the cabin used to be, you can

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hear the bottles clanking, and you can hear it sounds

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like they're playing cards, and you can't hear what they're saying,

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but you hear the chatter the little mummers. You can't

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make up what they're saying, but you can hear them.

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And then also in that same area and this is

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also you know, this is all in the same area

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where you've had the sightings and stuff. There's an Indian.

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You'll see an Indian. He's got a headdress on and

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he's tall, very solemn looking. But we call him the

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Guardian because he'll watch you while you're out in the

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woods and you'll see him ever so often, and it's

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just like he's there making sure you get in and

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out of the woods. Okay, he just said, so watch

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just so. We just call him the Guardian. That's what

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my cousins and I grew up calling him.

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And you've seen that yourself personally, Yes, how tall would

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you say?

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That?

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Is? About six foot? Yeah, five eight to six foot,

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very tall, very solemn, weathered face. You know, even through

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even though it was you know, obviously white, you could

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still see the weathering. You could still tell he was

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very old.

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When you say that there are reports of aliens in

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this area, are you saying more like UFO encounters or

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there's actually like aliens being seen.

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Well, the two guys I went to high school with

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swear they saw Yovo. They swear to goodness they saw Yova.

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Whether they did or not, I don't know, but they

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were definitely serious about it. And from where I grew up,

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it would have been about halfway going into growth up

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been another really wooded area, which that area itself is

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kind of crazy. It's got weird activity. There's a cemetery

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up there that has the grave of stan Waiti from

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the Cherokees, and it said that if you go to

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his grave at night you listen, you can hear a

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fiddle band play. I've not got to hear it, but

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I've had friends that's told me they've hearted it. And

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there's just some very weird stuff over in that area

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as well.

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I can only imagine there's there's got to be. Are

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there situations where these different players have been seen in

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the same location, like skily activity with aliens? Do they

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cross over or are they usually separate?

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I don't know on that part, but I do know

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that if you go out in the area where the

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bigfoots generally were at when I was younger, you would

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definitely have some other activity, well, skila wise or just

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other weird. I can't really describe it as anything but weird,

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because you'd feel audenation that went from the Bigfoot, but

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you couldn't quite place it at times.

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The funny thing is when they started talking about whatever

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you just said. The phone did some really weird stuff,

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like someone was trying to mess around with the phone.

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Do you mind repeating that what they would do.

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Like the skillies will yeah, okay, well, from what my

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cousin said, they'll either pull pranks on you, or they

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will terrorize you, like pick on you, like peck on

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your shoulder but no one's there. Or they take your

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stuff and move it from one spot to another, especially

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if you were outside doing something outside you'd have a

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tool beside you. You turn around, look and it's gone,

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and then it'd be a way over in another spot.

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That happened to my cousins a lot. I was very

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thankful they left me alone.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm sure that stuff like this that

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was happening to your cousins out there that would probably

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follow them home.

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I'm kissing, yes, yes, sometimes I do know that There

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was one time where one summer there was a weird

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bigfoot coming through Okay, and I say weird because this

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one would actually come up and like stare in your

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windows and rattle doors, and it terrorized my nephew's something

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awful and entire summer to the point where they would

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sleep in the hallway with their bedroom doors shut, refusing

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to go in the rooms after dark. It was so bad.

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And they lived just down the road from me. We

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found hamdprints that would have been in ninety four, Okay, yeah,

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because I was pregnant with my first one, so yeah,

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ninety four ninety five somewhere right in that area.

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Oh wow. And you were saying handprints were being found

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around the houses as well.

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Yes, on the yes, we could. We found handprints on

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the window a couple of times. And then our neighbors,

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the neighbor next to them, had been hearing weird stuff

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at night and her dogs were scared to go out.

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They wouldn't even leave the yard. And usually them things

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ran all over hell in creation cows would be clustered

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more than normal. So it was definitely weird that year,

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and that's why we just thought it was a weird one.

457
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.039
You know, he was more aggressive than others, but he

458
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.039
never actually, you know, hurt anyone, but he was sure

459
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:11.920
terrorizing people.

460
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:18.720
The one I wanted to ask you about specifically, were

461
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.279
there ever any reports of dog man in that area?

462
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:33.759
I don't remember any dog man, I do know. I

463
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.880
could never get her to describe it, but my daughter

464
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:44.119
was terrorized by what she called the shadow Man, and

465
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.359
we spent and this was something common again that different

466
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.680
kids in the area once we got to asking around,

467
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:55.359
had experienced this thing just terrorizing them, and it was

468
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.599
it was scared them to the point they would not

469
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.160
leave their parents side. I mean, we spent six months

470
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.319
with her right next to us, inside and out because

471
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.920
she swore it could get her. But she would never

472
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.880
describe it to us, and none of the other kids

473
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.720
had seen it would describe it to us as well.

474
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.720
So we don't know for sure what that was. But

475
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.759
you could feel when you could feel when it was around,

476
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.480
because it felt it literally felt evil. It felt like

477
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.880
it was the worst thing, and you would get really bad,

478
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.119
like something bad's going to happen feelings. That's why we

479
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.039
thought of it as evil.

480
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.599
So they wouldn't say what it was like.

481
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.160
They wouldn't give us a description. Okay, they wouldn't tell

482
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:48.160
us anything. Wow. Yeah, And the only time any of

483
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.480
us ever saw it was we caught a glimpse once

484
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.799
my cousin and I because we had raced home. A

485
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.079
bunch of the teenagers have been home alone and they

486
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.359
had seen it in a freak. He called us, and

487
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.880
we got there and you could see something with red eyes.

488
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:06.599
But that's all we could.

489
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.079
Tell was the red eyes big for society would be

490
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.279
right back after these messages.

491
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.640
It was total blackness.

492
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.279
Were the red eyes higher up or low to the

493
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:35.480
ground or no?

494
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.799
No, they were like maybe I would say maybe five

495
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:47.000
four five five. They weren't. Yeah, they wouldn't be higher up.

496
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.480
They wouldn't to me. It didn't look like it would

497
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.279
be a height for anything else. It was definitely weird though.

498
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:54.880
The eyes were definitely weird.

499
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.359
Wow, there's some some really strange things going on in

500
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.000
this Delaware County area.

501
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.400
Yeah, Delaware County definitely has activity all over in this

502
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.759
area of Oklahoma, really does. Mace County, where I'm at now,

503
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.839
is definitely weird and unusual stuff as well. I mean

504
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.079
there's been I've had a big foot sighting down here.

505
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.960
This was where my husband actually saw his first big foot.

506
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:30.880
There's a story of from back in the fifties that

507
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.720
the Army Corps of Engineers actually had a fight with

508
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:42.359
big foots before they built one of the dams down here. Really, yeah,

509
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:44.599
you'd have to give me a couple of days to

510
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.839
find my information on that, but I've got some information

511
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:52.440
on it that I have saved from what a friend

512
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.279
sent me about it. The story is is that they

513
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.279
told them forced them to move and if they didn't

514
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.359
move the they were going to be killed, and they

515
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.279
flooded the area. And now that's Spavana dam is there.

516
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.160
Now you know.

517
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.160
You've got all the time you need because I've never

518
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.599
heard of that one. That sounds really interesting.

519
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.720
Well, i'll definitely get I'll definitely get the information together

520
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.440
for you because that's one of those ones. I'm like, ooh,

521
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.279
I want to, you know, dig into that myself. But

522
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:28.440
there's all kinds of activity. As I said, there's an

523
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.200
option over here on highway for twelve, and my husband

524
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.799
and I were there late one evening and all of

525
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.640
a sudden, he comes running up to our vehicle and

526
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.200
he's like, get the kids loaded, let's get out of here.

527
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.519
Let's get out of here. And I'm like, why, what's

528
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.839
going on? I noticed the cows were moving, but I

529
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:49.000
have been distracted with kids, so I didn't pay much attention. Well,

530
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.759
I glanced up when he said that, and he goes

531
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.799
about the time he's telling me, I'm seeing there's you know,

532
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.759
familiar silhouette walking across the field. He goes, I just

533
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.640
saw something literally across that creek in one step. I

534
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.599
was like, you may have stepped once into the greek

535
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.640
and he goes, no, he goes it stood on one

536
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.000
side and stepped across to together. We're getting out of here,

537
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.960
and I'm like, oh, you just saw a big but

538
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.160
that's not because that's right there and we had to

539
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.000
leave immediately. And up to that point he had never

540
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.759
believed in it, but after that he's like, Okay, yep,

541
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.960
I'm a believer. I'm a believer.

542
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.480
Oh yeah, definitely, that's the same county area as Delaware.

543
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.319
No, it's it's a county over Okay, yeah, it's just

544
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:38.799
they're connecting counties.

545
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.079
Very very interesting, if you don't mind me asking, do

546
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.000
you have any Native American heritage yourself?

547
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.200
Yes? I do. I have Cherkey Dilaerre. I'm pot of

548
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:47.799
autom Indian.

549
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:54.000
Okay, awesome. Wow. It's just I can almost you know,

550
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.359
when I when I do interviews like this, I can

551
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:02.680
almost bank on the person definitely has some some heritage.

552
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.799
I mean it's like every single time, it's it's incredible.

553
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.960
I don't know quite what it is. But there's definitely

554
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:10.119
a connection there. I think.

555
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:16.400
I think it's because you know, with us having that background,

556
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.480
if you're raised up in it like I was, I

557
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.519
was taught the old ways and whatnot, that you're more

558
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.920
accepting of it and you're more open to it. Yeah,

559
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.599
so it doesn't bother you as much.

560
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.280
Oh, I agree. I think once you know what to

561
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.719
look for, you're you're going to start to see stuff

562
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:35.800
for sure.

563
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:43.159
Oh yes, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. And I tell my kids

564
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:44.599
when they're out in the woods, I'm like, okay, keep

565
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.000
an eye out. You know, if you hear this or

566
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.840
you spell this, you need to be watching and just

567
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.559
leave them alone.

568
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.960
The interview to kind of turn into something I wasn't expecting.

569
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.360
I mean, there's a lot more going on in this area,

570
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:57.840
so we got a little bit distracted. But I think

571
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.320
it's definitely worth having the conversation. Are there also other

572
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.480
times that you've had what you think are Bigfoot interactions

573
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:06.440
in your life?

574
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.840
Yes, we were. Let's see, we had what year would

575
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:20.360
have been, around two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two

576
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.800
thousand and one, somewhere right in that area. I can't

577
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.519
remember exactly how old My third child was At that time,

578
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.199
we lived up on Coffeeville. I actually lived in South

579
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:34.400
Coffeeville on the Illinois River on a ranch and the

580
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.239
so we would go through the hayfield through this really

581
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.119
thick area of trees to go down to a river

582
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:44.840
which was actually the Illinois River for the kids to

583
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.320
swim and whatnot, and you would feel like you're just

584
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:54.320
they're just there watching you. And a couple of times

585
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.039
it made my husband so uncomfortable he actually said we're

586
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.000
leaving now because of how intense it's the feeling felt.

587
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.400
But one night we were out there, there was a

588
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.360
very bad storm coming in. We had fifteen hundred bales

589
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.119
hey on the ground, and so I was helping my

590
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.760
husband hauled hey in and my son goes, Mom, what's

591
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.400
over there in the woods. And I look and you

592
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:24.480
could see the outline of the of the bigfoot and

593
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.320
edged the woods. They were in enough where you couldn't

594
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.039
see all of them, but you could tell they were there,

595
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:33.199
and you could see its eyes and they're just watching.

596
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.360
And when you get closer to that area, it would

597
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.400
like step closer to where you're going to it's going

598
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.360
to come out into the headlights, but not quite and

599
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.679
so I made them a couple of the rounds getting haybales.

600
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.760
My son kept getting uneasy, so I pulled over and

601
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.239
my husband's like, what's going on. I showed him and

602
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.800
he goes, okay, he goes, i'll do that area. You

603
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.800
just you know, stay up this way because we didn't

604
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.079
want to, you know, scare my son. He was like

605
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.480
three at the time, and I was back up this way,

606
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.599
and then pretty soon he's coming over. He goes, don't

607
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.519
forget it, and I'm like why, and he goes, well,

608
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.159
I just got a rock throat at me. I'm like, okay,

609
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.159
they threw a rock and he goes, no, I got

610
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.400
a rock throat at me, and he held it up

611
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.440
and it was a decent sized, little little boulder and

612
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.199
it was like they were warning him to stay have

613
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.679
that area. So he actually did not get the hay

614
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.400
in that area. He left it, and I was like, well,

615
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.079
I guess they just don't want you over there, and

616
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.480
he goes, I guess not. And we left it and

617
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.079
went home. And then we went back out the next

618
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.840
day and it all you could see, because of how

619
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.920
bad the storm was, well, you could tell something had

620
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.440
been standing there, but you couldn't tell any real footprints

621
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.880
or anything, but you could tell where it was sunk

622
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.840
in from something standing. But that's the only time I'd

623
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.480
ever had anything that was It wasn't even toward me,

624
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.239
it was towards him, And I think that he might

625
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.239
have just got too close for their comfort, and so

626
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.960
they chunked the rock at him. I told him, I

627
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.159
was like, well, I told you there's bigfoot around here.

628
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.119
Just gotta watch them.

629
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.119
And yew was that before or after his sighting?

630
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:18.000
After? After? If you're in South Coffeeville, you're about fifteen

631
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.159
minutes from the border because once you get into Coffee

632
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.039
Bills when you hit the border, and it takes about

633
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.599
ten to fifteen minutes to get up in there. But

634
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.880
there's also if you get into looking to sidings, there's

635
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.920
a lot of sidings up in that area because the

636
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.639
river is one of the best places for him to

637
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.920
catch the fish. The Illinois has got some of the

638
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.960
best fishing there is, Okay.

639
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.880
The Illinois Illinois River gotcha. So a lot of sightings

640
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:46.880
along that interesting. I will have to look into that

641
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.239
for sure. I don't hear a lot from I'm sure

642
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.360
there is, but I've never gotten a lot from that

643
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.320
area of Kansas.

644
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.239
Or well, most people don't talk about it. That's the

645
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.280
other thing is you're taught not to talk about because

646
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.920
people think you're crazy. Yeah, like I was taught from

647
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.000
an early age, don't go to school talking about any

648
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.880
of this because people are going to think you're crazy.

649
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.599
You know, something weird happens, just pass it off. Don't go, oh,

650
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.480
well that's a ghost. Oh that was weird. You're taught

651
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.920
not to talk of it. So it's just something you're

652
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.639
used to. You go out looking for it me personally,

653
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.719
any chance I get, I'm going to go hunt. I'm

654
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.000
going to go look and see if I can find

655
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.719
me a ghost or see if I can do something.

656
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:36.480
But most people they're taught not to acknowledge it. Yeah,

657
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.320
my husband was growing.

658
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.000
Up or over your lifetime, do you ever remember anyone saying, hey,

659
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.480
I've got a I got a photo a big foot,

660
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.360
I got a video from a big foot. I mean,

661
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.760
they probably wouldn't have said anything anyways, to be honest,

662
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:51.599
that's what it sounds like.

663
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.920
Unfortunately not I know. My cousin tried one summer. He

664
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.719
was dead set on getting one, but he he even

665
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.760
put troe cams up and everything, but all he got

666
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.800
was a bunch of blurr and a lot of your

667
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.960
So I was like, well, you know, you're just not

668
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.119
on the right spot. I guess. He goes, no, I'm

669
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.480
I'm near that. I'm across from that cave where you set.

670
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.159
And I was like, well, I don't know. I guess

671
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:18.719
they don't like you. It was just harassing, you know,

672
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.039
because he was he was very determined to get a picture,

673
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.679
but he never could because we had come back and

674
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.159
I told him what we'd seen, and so he was like,

675
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:30.239
I'm gonna go skip, I can find it. But he

676
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.400
was never able to. I know, he had some sightings

677
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.400
for the years, but photograph wise, unfortunately, never got to

678
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:36.880
get one.

679
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.920
Gotcha. Now, growing up in that area, was there ever,

680
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.000
was there a person where everyone be like, oh you

681
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.800
saw bigfoot, Go talk to this guy. He's kinda the

682
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.559
guy who's into and around here.

683
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.320
No, No, it was all you kept quiet about it.

684
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:54.039
Gotcha?

685
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.000
Okay, Yeah, but it was old timers up in that area,

686
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.519
and it was people that had grew had own up

687
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.440
in that area, so it was just you know, it

688
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.880
was common knowledge. You know, it was just common knowledge

689
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:12.440
that they were there. I have families still live up there.

690
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.119
I know that they still hear stuff, they still see stuff.

691
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.199
I definitely know now down in the area where I

692
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.239
grew up at there is people having you know, hearing

693
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.960
the knocks and the whoops and stuff like that.

694
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.199
It's not an area a lot of people talk. I

695
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.039
think everyone's too distracted by Southeast Oklahoma.

696
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.159
You know, yes, yes, yes, And you know, if you

697
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.239
follow the river, the Illinois comes right up, and then

698
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.320
the Grand is up here and the Grand River and

699
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.119
it all flows right up well, actually flows down from

700
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.000
all of the lakes because Grand like the Cherokees, flows

701
00:41:53.039 --> 00:42:00.840
down into Lakouci, Lakuchi flows down into Hudson. You know,

702
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.840
they're all just connected and everything flows down through the rivers.

703
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.519
So it's not very hard to think if you track it,

704
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:13.480
they can walk, you know, and go from one area

705
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.800
to the other during the different times of the year

706
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.679
for food, for where the fish are at, you know,

707
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:26.519
where the game's at. Yeah, it would make sense now,

708
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:27.760
like a natural migration.

709
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:35.480
Absolutely. The longer I talk to people about this, I

710
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.119
find that one of the common factors is there's usually

711
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.760
it's by a river and you can just follow the

712
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.519
reports up and down. For example, I'm from Iowa. You

713
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.519
can just follow the reports up and down the Des

714
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.559
Moines River through southeast Iowa. It's incredible. It sounds like

715
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.239
it's a very similar thing down there.

716
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.519
Yes, it is, because if you look at the geography

717
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.599
of the area and you look at the sidings, there's

718
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.599
not a lot of sidings out in the western parts

719
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.320
of Oklahoma because there's not as much river, there's not

720
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.159
as much woods. But over in the southeast corner, all

721
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.119
the way up to the northeast corner, that's all we

722
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.280
are is river and woods and creeks and lakes. And

723
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.159
it's the perfect area for them because there's also lots

724
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:28.000
of caves dripping spring State parks over here and that

725
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:35.559
is a huge state park that has you know, natural waterfalls, caves,

726
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.920
all kinds of stuff. Yeah, there, it's the perfect area

727
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:41.480
for them to be.

728
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:49.760
Did anyone ever see anything that looked like a tall, pale,

729
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.719
skinny like creature just really kind of weird, kind of

730
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:57.199
like if you remember that Lord of the Rings movies,

731
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.119
like you had Gollam.

732
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.039
I've never actually watched The Lord of the Ring.

733
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:03.800
Okay, sorry, I think.

734
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.360
The strangest creature we've seen around here be a skinwalker.

735
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.559
Okay, so that could be similar depending on what your

736
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.400
definition is. So what would be your definition of that.

737
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:22.679
Well, we've traditionally around here we've got two types from

738
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.840
what we call skim walkers or I personally, we have

739
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.000
a gentleman in Tallequaw our lips kind of around Talaquaw

740
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:37.039
that he's said to turn into a bear, and then

741
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.639
we have those one that it to me, it's creepy.

742
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.519
It's like the top half looks kind of human with

743
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:51.639
antlers and a very creepy face, but the bottom half

744
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.000
is like more animal.

745
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.360
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

746
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:18.320
M hmm. I've heard stories of people seeing stuff like that,

747
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.280
but I'm just like, oh, well, it must be a

748
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.519
skinwalker and pass it off because it probably is something

749
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.280
to do with that or something.

750
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.519
I've never heard of that before, especially the deer antlers.

751
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.719
Is it is it usually called labeled as a female

752
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.199
or male?

753
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:41.199
Usually male? Okay, what i'd heard, And like I said,

754
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.599
I've never personally seen it. I've just heard the stories

755
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.400
of it. One of my friends, she is a full

756
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.760
blowed Turkey Indian and she lives out near Kinwood, which

757
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.400
is kim Wood is uh pretty much if you're not Indian,

758
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.440
you stay out area.

759
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.400
Why would you do that?

760
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:10.800
And she well, they don't like okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

761
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.800
And if they don't like you, you're not going in there.

762
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.719
And anyway, she was always told never walk home after dark.

763
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.639
Well she was. And if you walk home after dark,

764
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:27.639
if you hear something behind you, do not turn around. Well,

765
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.320
she was walking haf the dark, she heard something behind her.

766
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.800
Well she's smart. She didn't turn around, but she held

767
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.880
her camera and took her selfie over her shoulder to

768
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.559
try to catch what it was. She described it as

769
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.079
a demon. It's pale, white, walking on all fours, red eyes,

770
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.280
scurrying after her. She made that mile walk in four minutes.

771
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.360
She was done. She goes, I don't even remember how

772
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.199
I got home. And I'm like, well, now we know

773
00:46:58.239 --> 00:46:59.880
why they told us not to be out of a star.

774
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.239
And it was just in that one area up and

775
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.159
there because they said it was really haunted and it

776
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.320
was evil and this and that's what you heard growing up.

777
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.239
And then she took this picture. Unfortunately the phone got broke,

778
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.199
so she didn't get to get the picture. Off right,

779
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:23.920
But it looked like a pale white creature on all fours,

780
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:24.800
like it was scurrying.

781
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.960
Yeah, that's what I was asking about right there. Yeah, yeah,

782
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:30.440
that's it.

783
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.320
Okay, Well see I didn't know what they were called.

784
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.360
We just called we was told it was a demon.

785
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.119
We really didn't know what it was, but that's what

786
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:42.679
they her mom had called it.

787
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.719
Oh wow. So that's Kenwood, Oklahoma.

788
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.119
Yeah, up around kim Wood Rose area, and that's about

789
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.360
from where I live now. It's about twenty minutes.

790
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.559
Us, an unincorporated community. It looks like.

791
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:08.280
Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, you don't like breaking down out there.

792
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:14.360
M that is man. That kind of thing makes me

793
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:15.960
want to look into it, But I don't know how

794
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.760
far I want to look into it. People they're probably

795
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.880
not want to talk at all. I would guess no, no, no,

796
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.800
unless they reach out, which they're more than welcome to.

797
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.880
But yeah, you don't knocking on doors.

798
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.840
Around there, No, not in that.

799
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:40.400
Area, No, No, definitely not. It's been it's been some

800
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.519
fun talking to you. It's a fascinating area of Oklahoma.

801
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.679
I definitely are looking more into this.

802
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.239
Oh, absolutely, get in touch with me anytime. I'm more

803
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:53.400
than happy to go out and help you.

804
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:58.480
Hunt absolutely, and if you ever run into any other information,

805
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.639
if you're able to pull up what you have about

806
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:02.559
I will.

807
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.880
Definitely find that and send it to you because it

808
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.360
was to me. It's what I found fascinating about it

809
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.920
was I remember because when she first gave it to me,

810
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.920
I went looking and you can't find anything about it,

811
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.119
like it's they don't want you to know about it.

812
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.960
And so I was like, hmmm, I'm going to go

813
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.679
to the historical societies and I'm gonna try to pull

814
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.800
you know, more information that route.

815
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.440
Oh that's where you feel it was the historical society.

816
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.800
Well, she found it there and she sent it to me,

817
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.800
and so I'm going to go back and try because

818
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.119
I have to go to the historical society for a

819
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:50.440
grave i'm trying to find, so it won't be a

820
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.760
very hard thing for me to look into and try

821
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.119
to find more information. If I can't get that route,

822
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.880
then I know there's still some old timers alive from

823
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.400
that time that might talk to me, because I've learned

824
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:07.320
here in Oklahoma anyways, once these Oldzheimer's get this certain age,

825
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:08.639
they don't care what they tell.

826
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.639
Oh yeah, It's great. It is so good. That is

827
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:14.599
a lesson I've learned myself. You need to figure out

828
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.360
where they're at and become friends with them, like buying

829
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:20.199
coffee or something.

830
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.920
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I've learned. And I'm like, ooh,

831
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.880
I'm loving this because I can find out so much

832
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.719
more information from them than I can't any historical society

833
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.639
half the time. Absolutely, and that's actually why I'm What

834
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.079
I'm relying on to find this grave. I'm looking for

835
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:40.960
is to try to track down some Oldheimer's that were

836
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:46.159
alive when this incident. Are not when it happened, but

837
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:50.000
they would have been little kids and their parents might

838
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.920
have talked about it and try to locate it. And

839
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:55.960
I'm like, ooh, I love these old climers, man, you

840
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.599
give them cup coffee. You're there for three hours learning.

841
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:07.920
The same is with older librarians in a town. Yes,

842
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.679
and historical societies I've had I've had luck with them

843
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:12.159
as well.

844
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:19.760
Oh yes, absolutely absolutely. Now while I'm thinking about it,

845
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:24.840
there is enough up in Ucci. There is a cemetery

846
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:31.800
and there has been sightings of bigfoot walking behind the cemetery,

847
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.320
and I know they're fairly recent.

848
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:37.039
Where is this up in Ucci Ucci?

849
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.199
Which is yeah, it's on this If you are south

850
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:48.440
of Grove on Highways twenty, Yeah, you take fifty nine

851
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:53.039
down into Jay and then from j you go like

852
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.599
you're going down fifty nine to Tahlequah, but you turn

853
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.280
onto twenty and you go into Ucci. And when you're

854
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.840
going into Ucci, there's a huge cemetery on the left

855
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:08.480
hand side, and there has been as recent as last year,

856
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:14.079
I know for sure sightings a bigfoot behind that cemetery,

857
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.199
are walking through the back edge of that cemetery.

858
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.320
I'm gonna definitely look into that. So as late as

859
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.960
last year you're saying there's been reports and then yeah,

860
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:22.800
that's cool.

861
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.800
Yes, yeah, yeah, I've talked to people that's had Yeah,

862
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:30.960
they live up in that area and they're like, man,

863
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.679
we see them all the time, you know, we hear

864
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:34.519
this all the time.

865
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:41.280
Wow. Mary, thank you so much for spending an hour

866
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.199
of your time with me and just sharing something absolutely

867
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:49.280
really interesting things of what's going on in this area

868
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.159
you're familiar with, and hopefully if people are listening to

869
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:57.639
this and they know of things going on around U Ucci,

870
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.360
in the cemetery and uh, all this man there's even

871
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.239
a place called Monkey Island near this.

872
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.639
Yay, okay, so Monkey Island. Monkey Island got its name

873
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.960
because a circus was coming through a month. You've actually

874
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:18.519
got loose. They captured them. But yeah, yeah, this whole

875
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.320
area is I mean, have you ever come down here?

876
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:23.039
You'll have fun.

877
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:28.719
Yeah, it's as it's as crazy as There's another lake.

878
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:35.440
It's down by Texas. The lake it's called Lake Texoma

879
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.800
has a lot of weird stuff like you guys.

880
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.679
Oh yeah, I've drove over that one. That's some cool,

881
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.679
cool areas down there. Yeah, fun stuff.

882
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.039
They both look like dragons. That's weird when you when

883
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.800
you look. Anyways, man, Mary, thank you so much. Keep

884
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:53.119
me in mind if you have a run into any

885
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.639
other in your area. Absolutely, thank you so much for

886
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:57.360
coming on today.

887
00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:59.079
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888
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.719
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907
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908
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:55.800
Her and I can get on here.

909
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.519
We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out

910
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.039
there listening. There's two ready to tell their story. Maybe

911
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.679
this will give them the courage to come out. And

912
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.199
now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what

913
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.239
anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's

914
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.519
out there. That's all I care about.

915
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.480
Please let people know, Please let them know. If you

916
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.639
ever see one of these things, you need you tell,

917
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.880
because if you don't then shame on you, you know,

918
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:50.480
shame on you.