Bigfoot Roams All Over Northeast Oklahoma!

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0:42 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode, and if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays and sometimes even more episodes, head on over to Patreon dot com. Forward Slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Mary today. Mary's an individual that reached out to me from the great state of Oklahoma with some interesting things that she's experienced over the years. So Mary, it's great to have you on the show today.

1:36 Nice to be here. Absolutely, we were talking a little bit beforehand, and it sounds like we'll definitely be getting into some interesting things. Feel free to take us back to when all this interesting stuff happened to you in your life. I think the first time I'd actually experienced anything bigfoot wise was when I was growing up on Grand Lake and I lived with my grandmother and we would pick Cuckoberriestan in the summertime, and we would be out in the woods and we would hear strange knocks or just strange noises that didn't sound like normal wildlife noises. And anytime we would hear them, she'd be like, Okay, we need to move to this area or we need to start thinking about moving back out. And I would ask her one she'd be like, well, they don't like us being around, and that was what she left it at You're young, you don't ask questions, but you learned to listen for the knox, and then at times you would hear the whooping, and during certain times of the year there would be a lot of it, a lot of activity of the whooping and knox. Late at night, especially early summers, there was always seemed to would increase and you could go out into the woods and you would see, you know, footprints sometimes, or you'd see tree branches down where yesterday they had been just fine. You would see

3:08 where the undergrowth was kind of pushed. I remember finding areas where the berries were just picked bear, but over in another area they were fine and just there was all kinds of just I want to say, at that time, I felt like its weird, but you just got used to it, you know, you'd learn to listen for the not learned to listen for wolves. If you heard any of that, you didn't, you know, stay in that area. You moved. And while I was young, the first time I actually saw one, my grandmother, myself and her best friend, who was a debout Christian, never said bad words, didn't do anything wrong, you know, I didn't think she'd be the type to believe in a big foot. We were out on this one ridge, it was real any way back into the woods, i'd say two to three miles almost to the lake. And we were standing there and we looked across the haller and I saw something up in the cave across from a haller and the bluff, and she was standing there beside me looking in that direction.

4:18 I'm like, do you see what I see? Because I wasn't going to tell her if she wasn't going to say I wasn't seeing. I knew what I was seeing was there was a bigfoot standing there. And she goes, yeah, I think that's a bigfoot. And I was like, it is a bigfoot and she goes, it's looking at us. I'm like yeah. She goes, we might need to, you know, move out of this area where they can't see us, because it was just staring at us. There was a bigger one. And then when we were moving backwards, we glanced back and there was two others, two smaller ones up in there. And we went to go find my grandmother and bring her over to show her, and they were gone at that point. My grandmother goes, we need to leave. And as I got older, my grandmother or said that she had been taught when she was little that you just if you hear them or see something of them, leave, just go back to where you came.

5:10 They won't bother you as long as you're not messing with them or in the area where they're at. You would get us. You would get used to seeing like tree limbs that are too high up for a person to knock down or pull down. I would say pull because it didn't really look like they were knocked over. It looked like they were deliberately broken along paths, and it looked like they were a long game paths where you would see the deers and stuff come through. I know. The one thing I did notice was there's a huge spring down and down on the Grand Lake. It's called the Great Spring. The Indians used it because it was a wonderful water source. The water, they're so pure and fresh tasting. It's amazing. But you could always see where they were around. You could see the footprints of it, and they would footprints would go back up the hills and you could when you got down there. It's just a different feeling in that area. It's like you you felt that they were watching to see what you were going to do. But I was never really scared of them because it just wentn't something. It was just, oh, they're here, pay attention for him. You know. They would get loud that night. You know, you could hear them in the knocks and the woofs really loud during the summertimes.

6:38 Fall in winter wasn't too bad, but summer was the main time we heard them. And we'd see glimpses here there and yonder through the years. You would just see like silhouettes of them. The footprints that you saw over the years. How how long would you estimate those footprints to be? Goodness, definitely bigger size, bigger than size thirteen. Okay, wow, some smaller there. I had seen some through the years. It was probably I would say about a woman's size four or five. You like, they were young, but the big ones were definitely over thirteen. Yeah, like at twelve or thirteen. My kids, my boys were twelve's and they were definitely bigger than that.

7:30 The area that we're talking about, this Grand Lake area, what county is that. It's in Delaware County. Grand Lake, Its Cherokees is the land the lake was actually built. They call it Grand Lake of the Cherokees because it was actually built over the Cherokee Indians where they burial mountains are are used to be. They tried to get as many up and moved as they could, but they did miss some and so they just can't come off it as Grand Like over the Cherokees, and then they shortened it through the years to Grand like the Cherokee. That's what I was told by my grandmother who was actually there when the lake was built. The original town is still under the water.

8:15 They just literally flooded it. Once they built out where they wanted the like to go, they flooded over it. I'm assuming there's been a ton of Bigfoot sightings beside yours in that area as well. Yes, yes, my sister in law experienced them through the years. My nephews have my cousins. If you go out into the woods hunting up there, you're gonna hear them if you don't see them. Just last year, there was a woman on Facebook. She's like, what in the world am I hearing? She goes it sounds like weird Indian drums, and we're all like Okay, that's just the bigfoots knocking, you know, just leave it alone. They'll be fine. You're not gonna die, It's okay. Because she was freaking out about it, she thought something really strange is going on.

9:02 I think my grandmother said she first remember hearing about them as early as when some of her ancestors had settled in the area and they come off the trail oft hears, and she said it was just, you know, they've always been there. She felt like, I know. The one thing I noticed was weird to me was we had actually seen one time one year we went out and there was a cabin. It used to be an old bootlegg cabin. Bootleggers would stay in it and did their little moonshine stills and stuff in there. Anyway, I was out there exploring one day and I thought, oh, my, going and see you know what's in this thing. I go inside and there's a big nest in the building, like they actually discovered they could use the building as protection from the elements, and they built a big nest in there, and it stunk so bad. Oh my goodness, did it stink. I remember coming out there thinking, oh, that's where's the skunk. It was so bad because the smell is just I don't even know how to describe it.

10:17 It's just awful. And even today where I live at now, if I hear if I am out and I smell that, I'm like, okay, they're around here somewhere, because once you smell it, you don't forget it. What materials was the nest made out of? Brush? Leaves? Mainly? I think there was a little bit of maybe pine stuff in it. That was mostly brush and leaves. I would say about the size of the love seats, and Diane in like with, yeah, yeah, it was decent sized. It was a decent sized thing, and I thought it was cool. But once I told my grandmother, She's like, nope, you're staying out there.

11:09 So this is a weird one. But did you get close enough to see what specific type of brush was used in the nest? To me, it looked like young oak saplings brush because up in that area is mainly the brush would be oak or walnut about that material that's mainly what's out There's oak and walnut trees, some elm, but not much, but that's what it looked like it was. And then like I said the pine there was pine needles, and they might chick some pine limbs off. Wow.

11:55 So that is that's very very interesting, especially that part where it's inside. See, that's what threw me was because before then I had seen, you know, where you could tell where they had knocked trees over to kind of make a protection. And I know that they have been in the caves from seeing the one in the cave obviously, but also the Great Spring has a cave behind it, and it was common knowledge that something large lived in there and you didn't go in there, and so we're like, okay, what would be in there that's large? And I asked one of my cousins, I'm like, well, is it the panther?

12:36 And he goes, no, it's not the panther, Like, oh okay, And I left at that because I knew what he was talking about. It's not the panther. The legend was that people would see a large creature then and in that area of the cave. Yeah, yes, yep, they would see it in the cave. I think, I don't know who, but there was a story that I heard from my dad that some kids went down in there and came hauling. But out and never went back. Wow. So I'm like, I didn't try it myself because I can't swim, so I was not To get to the cave, you have to go through the water and obviously I wasn't going to do that. I can't swim because it's a very deep spring. Oh it's a natural spring.

13:17 Yes, so I get it now. So in order this is a cave behind the waterfall, you had to swim through the waterfall. Oh no, there's no waterfall. Oh, there's no waterfall. It's a big spring about the size, oh goodness of a thirty to thirty house. It's not big. Were around. I mean, it's a huge spring and it fed into Grand Lake and behind it was the cave, and you'd have to go through the spring to get up into the cave. Okay, that's that's wild. When you had the sighting, were you close enough that you were able to notice any details about what you saw or I.

13:59 Could just that one of them was tall, you know, very tall, and then two smaller ones. I could tell that they did have the long hair. It looked like reddish brown to me, but I was a holler away from them. I couldn't tell close up features, but you could tell what they were because it was daytime. It was like maybe we went out six, It got out there about seven thirty. It was probably was mid mornings. It was probably about ten or eleven when we saw them, because I remember after that she's like, we're coming home and it's a long walk back out and it's on an old wagon trail.

14:52 Have there ever been any reports in that area of aggressive encounters. I've heard of some, but I don't know if it was actual. I don't think they were physical, but they were scary. I know. I've heard of hunters coming out just scared to death of something they've heard or seen in there, but they won't talk about. It big so society will be right back after these messages.

15:39 We've noticed dogs, the hunting dogs would come hauling out for no apparent reason. You can tell when there's they're around two because you don't hear as much wildlife. It's like the wildlife stays more quiet. Does anyone and ever poor any like weird communication or hearing any like language type stuff or anything. I've gotten the area. I hadn't heard anything. I don't know if anyone else has on that. They've never really said, I know, most of what we heard was always just the whoops and the knocks. Now you could hear some knocks. You'd hear like a series of knocks followed by whoops, and then they'd knock again, and you could tell they're were coming from different areas. You know, you could tell if you stand up there and listen, you could tell like if once to the right of you, and then from the left they would respond okay.

16:49 So you had situations where you were having multiple talking to or yes, something communicating through knock patterns all around you. Yes, yes, yeah, that's common, especially in the early evenings. I was always out in the woods. They're definitely up there. They travel through this area regularly. I know today they still have people here in them and seeing them. And just so listeners know what we're looking at here. So we're in the northeast corner of Oklahoma here, which is over by the Ozarks, right. Yeah, there's areas where it's very heavily wooded, not a lot of people. There's cave you know, caves that go distances in there. I know it's closed up now, but they're used to be a cave that did run from what is now Grove and come out on the south side of grove up on a hill and you can actually when the water goes down, you can see the one cave entrance.

17:57 Wow. But the other side is now under a parking lot. So I know the caves run through, and that could be one way where they're getting from one area to the other is through the caves. And I know there's caves in there people have not been in because they're up on hillsides or they're just too far to get to very easily. There's a question I want to ask you, mainly for just my own curiosity because of the geography of the area that this is the factor I've seen come up in different areas that are like yours. Are there also reports of other things besides bigfoot that would also be considered similar creatures in that scenaria.

18:45 There's skies. What's that skiely is like a little they call them little people, Okay, but there's little creatures. You'll hear them, see them occasionally. There is definitely a lot of paranormal activity. Ghost lies. That's just something else you get used to seeing and hearing. That's just part of it. There's panthers up in there, there's black panthers, there's haven't I personally haven't seen any aliens up in there, but you know, I've heard a couple of people say swear they've seen them. I do know, you know, you see weird bites occasionally. That just something that's unexplained.

19:44 Those are all things that I was not expecting to just come up. That's that's pretty intense. I grew up, I grew up around there, so I'm used to it. You know, I'm used to I live in a haunted house, I'm used to it. Okay, what was it like growing up in an area where there's everything from little people to ghost to black panthers, aliens, bigfoot? For me, it was normal. Okay, for me, it was absolutely normal because I was just raised up that it's part of what's up there. You know, it's just around. You accept it, and they won't mess with you. If you don't mess with them, you know, if you don't show no aggression towards them, or you know, and you acknowledge they're there, then you're fine. You know. That's just the way my grandmother taught me, and so I've never I've always had the acceptance of it. So It's not like I moved in I'm like, oh, no, what am I dealing with? I always knew what I was dealing with, and so it never bothered me. I mean, I ran free all over those woods, and I was a kid grown up in the eighties and I was all over the place up and there never phase me a bit to be out in the middle of nowhere by myself with them. Even today, you know, you just you accept it and deal with it and go on.

20:59 Do you ever have any interactions with the Skeees that you know of? No? No, thankfully they chose to leave me alone because they're achievous little things. But my cousins have told stories about them, you know, stealing their stuff and putting it in different spots or terrorizing them. But thankfully they chose to leave me alone. I think it's just because I'm like, you know, whatever, right? Is this another name for the fay? Do you think? Have you ever heard that term? I think so. I believe so. I believe so because skeely is an Indian term from what I've understood, and so it very well could be to me that it makes perfect sense. Okay, so you mentioned you have you've lived with in a haunted house, which is I'm sure you have all sorts of weird stories to do with that.

21:51 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got to well, I lived in hont house growing up. Through the years, we've lived them on the warm where nail is currently hanted, So yeah, it's done. While I was growing up, where we lived at was on the old wagon trail, it was on the actual Settlers trail. My family farm was one of the first farms actually put as a farm when Indians got land, and there was numerous areas where you could have cold spots or you'd see just a white figure. There was an old cabin that was it had to have had something to do with cowboys or something, because when it's rainy nights and thunderstorm and if you stand outside where the cabin used to be, you can hear the bottles clanking, and you can hear it sounds like they're playing cards, and you can't hear what they're saying, but you hear the chatter the little mummers. You can't make up what they're saying, but you can hear them.

23:04 And then also in that same area and this is also you know, this is all in the same area where you've had the sightings and stuff. There's an Indian. You'll see an Indian. He's got a headdress on and he's tall, very solemn looking. But we call him the Guardian because he'll watch you while you're out in the woods and you'll see him ever so often, and it's just like he's there making sure you get in and out of the woods. Okay, he just said, so watch just so. We just call him the Guardian. That's what my cousins and I grew up calling him. And you've seen that yourself personally, Yes, how tall would you say? That? Is? About six foot? Yeah, five eight to six foot, very tall, very solemn, weathered face. You know, even through even though it was you know, obviously white, you could still see the weathering. You could still tell he was very old.

24:05 When you say that there are reports of aliens in this area, are you saying more like UFO encounters or there's actually like aliens being seen. Well, the two guys I went to high school with swear they saw Yovo. They swear to goodness they saw Yova. Whether they did or not, I don't know, but they were definitely serious about it. And from where I grew up, it would have been about halfway going into growth up been another really wooded area, which that area itself is kind of crazy. It's got weird activity. There's a cemetery up there that has the grave of stan Waiti from the Cherokees, and it said that if you go to his grave at night you listen, you can hear a fiddle band play. I've not got to hear it, but I've had friends that's told me they've hearted it. And there's just some very weird stuff over in that area as well.

25:11 I can only imagine there's there's got to be. Are there situations where these different players have been seen in the same location, like skily activity with aliens? Do they cross over or are they usually separate? I don't know on that part, but I do know that if you go out in the area where the bigfoots generally were at when I was younger, you would definitely have some other activity, well, skila wise or just other weird. I can't really describe it as anything but weird, because you'd feel audenation that went from the Bigfoot, but you couldn't quite place it at times.

25:52 The funny thing is when they started talking about whatever you just said. The phone did some really weird stuff, like someone was trying to mess around with the phone. Do you mind repeating that what they would do. Like the skillies will yeah, okay, well, from what my cousin said, they'll either pull pranks on you, or they will terrorize you, like pick on you, like peck on your shoulder but no one's there. Or they take your stuff and move it from one spot to another, especially if you were outside doing something outside you'd have a tool beside you. You turn around, look and it's gone, and then it'd be a way over in another spot.

26:33 That happened to my cousins a lot. I was very thankful they left me alone. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm sure that stuff like this that was happening to your cousins out there that would probably follow them home. I'm kissing, yes, yes, sometimes I do know that There was one time where one summer there was a weird bigfoot coming through Okay, and I say weird because this one would actually come up and like stare in your windows and rattle doors, and it terrorized my nephew's something awful and entire summer to the point where they would sleep in the hallway with their bedroom doors shut, refusing to go in the rooms after dark. It was so bad.

27:17 And they lived just down the road from me. We found hamdprints that would have been in ninety four, Okay, yeah, because I was pregnant with my first one, so yeah, ninety four ninety five somewhere right in that area. Oh wow. And you were saying handprints were being found around the houses as well. Yes, on the yes, we could. We found handprints on the window a couple of times. And then our neighbors, the neighbor next to them, had been hearing weird stuff at night and her dogs were scared to go out. They wouldn't even leave the yard. And usually them things ran all over hell in creation cows would be clustered more than normal. So it was definitely weird that year, and that's why we just thought it was a weird one.

28:05 You know, he was more aggressive than others, but he never actually, you know, hurt anyone, but he was sure terrorizing people. The one I wanted to ask you about specifically, were there ever any reports of dog man in that area? I don't remember any dog man, I do know. I could never get her to describe it, but my daughter was terrorized by what she called the shadow Man, and we spent and this was something common again that different kids in the area once we got to asking around, had experienced this thing just terrorizing them, and it was it was scared them to the point they would not leave their parents side. I mean, we spent six months with her right next to us, inside and out because she swore it could get her. But she would never describe it to us, and none of the other kids had seen it would describe it to us as well.

29:15 So we don't know for sure what that was. But you could feel when you could feel when it was around, because it felt it literally felt evil. It felt like it was the worst thing, and you would get really bad, like something bad's going to happen feelings. That's why we thought of it as evil. So they wouldn't say what it was like. They wouldn't give us a description. Okay, they wouldn't tell us anything. Wow. Yeah, And the only time any of us ever saw it was we caught a glimpse once my cousin and I because we had raced home. A bunch of the teenagers have been home alone and they had seen it in a freak. He called us, and we got there and you could see something with red eyes.

30:05 But that's all we could. Tell was the red eyes big for society would be right back after these messages. It was total blackness. Were the red eyes higher up or low to the ground or no? No, they were like maybe I would say maybe five four five five. They weren't. Yeah, they wouldn't be higher up.

30:47 They wouldn't to me. It didn't look like it would be a height for anything else. It was definitely weird though. The eyes were definitely weird. Wow, there's some some really strange things going on in this Delaware County area. Yeah, Delaware County definitely has activity all over in this area of Oklahoma, really does. Mace County, where I'm at now, is definitely weird and unusual stuff as well. I mean there's been I've had a big foot sighting down here. This was where my husband actually saw his first big foot. There's a story of from back in the fifties that the Army Corps of Engineers actually had a fight with big foots before they built one of the dams down here. Really, yeah, you'd have to give me a couple of days to find my information on that, but I've got some information on it that I have saved from what a friend sent me about it. The story is is that they told them forced them to move and if they didn't move the they were going to be killed, and they flooded the area. And now that's Spavana dam is there.

32:06 Now you know. You've got all the time you need because I've never heard of that one. That sounds really interesting. Well, i'll definitely get I'll definitely get the information together for you because that's one of those ones. I'm like, ooh, I want to, you know, dig into that myself. But there's all kinds of activity. As I said, there's an option over here on highway for twelve, and my husband and I were there late one evening and all of a sudden, he comes running up to our vehicle and he's like, get the kids loaded, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. And I'm like, why, what's going on? I noticed the cows were moving, but I have been distracted with kids, so I didn't pay much attention. Well, I glanced up when he said that, and he goes about the time he's telling me, I'm seeing there's you know, familiar silhouette walking across the field. He goes, I just saw something literally across that creek in one step. I was like, you may have stepped once into the greek and he goes, no, he goes it stood on one side and stepped across to together. We're getting out of here, and I'm like, oh, you just saw a big but that's not because that's right there and we had to leave immediately. And up to that point he had never believed in it, but after that he's like, Okay, yep, I'm a believer. I'm a believer.

33:27 Oh yeah, definitely, that's the same county area as Delaware. No, it's it's a county over Okay, yeah, it's just they're connecting counties. Very very interesting, if you don't mind me asking, do you have any Native American heritage yourself? Yes? I do. I have Cherkey Dilaerre. I'm pot of autom Indian. Okay, awesome. Wow. It's just I can almost you know, when I when I do interviews like this, I can almost bank on the person definitely has some some heritage. I mean it's like every single time, it's it's incredible. I don't know quite what it is. But there's definitely a connection there. I think.

34:11 I think it's because you know, with us having that background, if you're raised up in it like I was, I was taught the old ways and whatnot, that you're more accepting of it and you're more open to it. Yeah, so it doesn't bother you as much. Oh, I agree. I think once you know what to look for, you're you're going to start to see stuff for sure. Oh yes, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. And I tell my kids when they're out in the woods, I'm like, okay, keep an eye out. You know, if you hear this or you spell this, you need to be watching and just leave them alone. The interview to kind of turn into something I wasn't expecting.

34:52 I mean, there's a lot more going on in this area, so we got a little bit distracted. But I think it's definitely worth having the conversation. Are there also other times that you've had what you think are Bigfoot interactions in your life? Yes, we were. Let's see, we had what year would have been, around two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two thousand and one, somewhere right in that area. I can't remember exactly how old My third child was At that time, we lived up on Coffeeville. I actually lived in South Coffeeville on the Illinois River on a ranch and the so we would go through the hayfield through this really thick area of trees to go down to a river which was actually the Illinois River for the kids to swim and whatnot, and you would feel like you're just they're just there watching you. And a couple of times it made my husband so uncomfortable he actually said we're leaving now because of how intense it's the feeling felt.

36:02 But one night we were out there, there was a very bad storm coming in. We had fifteen hundred bales hey on the ground, and so I was helping my husband hauled hey in and my son goes, Mom, what's over there in the woods. And I look and you could see the outline of the of the bigfoot and edged the woods. They were in enough where you couldn't see all of them, but you could tell they were there, and you could see its eyes and they're just watching. And when you get closer to that area, it would like step closer to where you're going to it's going to come out into the headlights, but not quite and so I made them a couple of the rounds getting haybales.

36:46 My son kept getting uneasy, so I pulled over and my husband's like, what's going on. I showed him and he goes, okay, he goes, i'll do that area. You just you know, stay up this way because we didn't want to, you know, scare my son. He was like three at the time, and I was back up this way, and then pretty soon he's coming over. He goes, don't forget it, and I'm like why, and he goes, well, I just got a rock throat at me. I'm like, okay, they threw a rock and he goes, no, I got a rock throat at me, and he held it up and it was a decent sized, little little boulder and it was like they were warning him to stay have that area. So he actually did not get the hay in that area. He left it, and I was like, well, I guess they just don't want you over there, and he goes, I guess not. And we left it and went home. And then we went back out the next day and it all you could see, because of how bad the storm was, well, you could tell something had been standing there, but you couldn't tell any real footprints or anything, but you could tell where it was sunk in from something standing. But that's the only time I'd ever had anything that was It wasn't even toward me, it was towards him, And I think that he might have just got too close for their comfort, and so they chunked the rock at him. I told him, I was like, well, I told you there's bigfoot around here.

38:06 Just gotta watch them. And yew was that before or after his sighting? After? After? If you're in South Coffeeville, you're about fifteen minutes from the border because once you get into Coffee Bills when you hit the border, and it takes about ten to fifteen minutes to get up in there. But there's also if you get into looking to sidings, there's a lot of sidings up in that area because the river is one of the best places for him to catch the fish. The Illinois has got some of the best fishing there is, Okay. The Illinois Illinois River gotcha. So a lot of sightings along that interesting. I will have to look into that for sure. I don't hear a lot from I'm sure there is, but I've never gotten a lot from that area of Kansas.

38:53 Or well, most people don't talk about it. That's the other thing is you're taught not to talk about because people think you're crazy. Yeah, like I was taught from an early age, don't go to school talking about any of this because people are going to think you're crazy. You know, something weird happens, just pass it off. Don't go, oh, well that's a ghost. Oh that was weird. You're taught not to talk of it. So it's just something you're used to. You go out looking for it me personally, any chance I get, I'm going to go hunt. I'm going to go look and see if I can find me a ghost or see if I can do something. But most people they're taught not to acknowledge it. Yeah, my husband was growing.

39:39 Up or over your lifetime, do you ever remember anyone saying, hey, I've got a I got a photo a big foot, I got a video from a big foot. I mean, they probably wouldn't have said anything anyways, to be honest, that's what it sounds like. Unfortunately not I know. My cousin tried one summer. He was dead set on getting one, but he he even put troe cams up and everything, but all he got was a bunch of blurr and a lot of your So I was like, well, you know, you're just not on the right spot. I guess. He goes, no, I'm I'm near that. I'm across from that cave where you set. And I was like, well, I don't know. I guess they don't like you. It was just harassing, you know, because he was he was very determined to get a picture, but he never could because we had come back and I told him what we'd seen, and so he was like, I'm gonna go skip, I can find it. But he was never able to. I know, he had some sightings for the years, but photograph wise, unfortunately, never got to get one.

40:38 Gotcha. Now, growing up in that area, was there ever, was there a person where everyone be like, oh you saw bigfoot, Go talk to this guy. He's kinda the guy who's into and around here. No, No, it was all you kept quiet about it. Gotcha? Okay, Yeah, but it was old timers up in that area, and it was people that had grew had own up in that area, so it was just you know, it was common knowledge. You know, it was just common knowledge that they were there. I have families still live up there. I know that they still hear stuff, they still see stuff.

41:18 I definitely know now down in the area where I grew up at there is people having you know, hearing the knocks and the whoops and stuff like that. It's not an area a lot of people talk. I think everyone's too distracted by Southeast Oklahoma. You know, yes, yes, yes, And you know, if you follow the river, the Illinois comes right up, and then the Grand is up here and the Grand River and it all flows right up well, actually flows down from all of the lakes because Grand like the Cherokees, flows down into Lakouci, Lakuchi flows down into Hudson. You know, they're all just connected and everything flows down through the rivers.

42:04 So it's not very hard to think if you track it, they can walk, you know, and go from one area to the other during the different times of the year for food, for where the fish are at, you know, where the game's at. Yeah, it would make sense now, like a natural migration. Absolutely. The longer I talk to people about this, I find that one of the common factors is there's usually it's by a river and you can just follow the reports up and down. For example, I'm from Iowa. You can just follow the reports up and down the Des Moines River through southeast Iowa. It's incredible. It sounds like it's a very similar thing down there.

42:56 Yes, it is, because if you look at the geography of the area and you look at the sidings, there's not a lot of sidings out in the western parts of Oklahoma because there's not as much river, there's not as much woods. But over in the southeast corner, all the way up to the northeast corner, that's all we are is river and woods and creeks and lakes. And it's the perfect area for them because there's also lots of caves dripping spring State parks over here and that is a huge state park that has you know, natural waterfalls, caves, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, there, it's the perfect area for them to be.

43:43 Did anyone ever see anything that looked like a tall, pale, skinny like creature just really kind of weird, kind of like if you remember that Lord of the Rings movies, like you had Gollam. I've never actually watched The Lord of the Ring. Okay, sorry, I think. The strangest creature we've seen around here be a skinwalker. Okay, so that could be similar depending on what your definition is. So what would be your definition of that. Well, we've traditionally around here we've got two types from what we call skim walkers or I personally, we have a gentleman in Tallequaw our lips kind of around Talaquaw that he's said to turn into a bear, and then we have those one that it to me, it's creepy.

44:40 It's like the top half looks kind of human with antlers and a very creepy face, but the bottom half is like more animal. Big for society will be right back after these messages. M hmm. I've heard stories of people seeing stuff like that, but I'm just like, oh, well, it must be a skinwalker and pass it off because it probably is something to do with that or something.

45:27 I've never heard of that before, especially the deer antlers. Is it is it usually called labeled as a female or male? Usually male? Okay, what i'd heard, And like I said, I've never personally seen it. I've just heard the stories of it. One of my friends, she is a full blowed Turkey Indian and she lives out near Kinwood, which is kim Wood is uh pretty much if you're not Indian, you stay out area. Why would you do that? And she well, they don't like okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

46:10 And if they don't like you, you're not going in there. And anyway, she was always told never walk home after dark. Well she was. And if you walk home after dark, if you hear something behind you, do not turn around. Well, she was walking haf the dark, she heard something behind her. Well she's smart. She didn't turn around, but she held her camera and took her selfie over her shoulder to try to catch what it was. She described it as a demon. It's pale, white, walking on all fours, red eyes, scurrying after her. She made that mile walk in four minutes.

46:52 She was done. She goes, I don't even remember how I got home. And I'm like, well, now we know why they told us not to be out of a star. And it was just in that one area up and there because they said it was really haunted and it was evil and this and that's what you heard growing up. And then she took this picture. Unfortunately the phone got broke, so she didn't get to get the picture. Off right, But it looked like a pale white creature on all fours, like it was scurrying. Yeah, that's what I was asking about right there. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Okay, Well see I didn't know what they were called.

47:35 We just called we was told it was a demon. We really didn't know what it was, but that's what they her mom had called it. Oh wow. So that's Kenwood, Oklahoma. Yeah, up around kim Wood Rose area, and that's about from where I live now. It's about twenty minutes. Us, an unincorporated community. It looks like. Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, you don't like breaking down out there. M that is man. That kind of thing makes me want to look into it, But I don't know how far I want to look into it. People they're probably not want to talk at all. I would guess no, no, no, unless they reach out, which they're more than welcome to.

48:27 But yeah, you don't knocking on doors. Around there, No, not in that. Area, No, No, definitely not. It's been it's been some fun talking to you. It's a fascinating area of Oklahoma. I definitely are looking more into this. Oh, absolutely, get in touch with me anytime. I'm more than happy to go out and help you. Hunt absolutely, and if you ever run into any other information, if you're able to pull up what you have about I will. Definitely find that and send it to you because it was to me. It's what I found fascinating about it was I remember because when she first gave it to me, I went looking and you can't find anything about it, like it's they don't want you to know about it.

49:20 And so I was like, hmmm, I'm going to go to the historical societies and I'm gonna try to pull you know, more information that route. Oh that's where you feel it was the historical society. Well, she found it there and she sent it to me, and so I'm going to go back and try because I have to go to the historical society for a grave i'm trying to find, so it won't be a very hard thing for me to look into and try to find more information. If I can't get that route, then I know there's still some old timers alive from that time that might talk to me, because I've learned here in Oklahoma anyways, once these Oldzheimer's get this certain age, they don't care what they tell.

50:09 Oh yeah, It's great. It is so good. That is a lesson I've learned myself. You need to figure out where they're at and become friends with them, like buying coffee or something. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I've learned. And I'm like, ooh, I'm loving this because I can find out so much more information from them than I can't any historical society half the time. Absolutely, and that's actually why I'm What I'm relying on to find this grave. I'm looking for is to try to track down some Oldheimer's that were alive when this incident. Are not when it happened, but they would have been little kids and their parents might have talked about it and try to locate it. And I'm like, ooh, I love these old climers, man, you give them cup coffee. You're there for three hours learning.

51:00 The same is with older librarians in a town. Yes, and historical societies I've had I've had luck with them as well. Oh yes, absolutely absolutely. Now while I'm thinking about it, there is enough up in Ucci. There is a cemetery and there has been sightings of bigfoot walking behind the cemetery, and I know they're fairly recent. Where is this up in Ucci Ucci? Which is yeah, it's on this If you are south of Grove on Highways twenty, Yeah, you take fifty nine down into Jay and then from j you go like you're going down fifty nine to Tahlequah, but you turn onto twenty and you go into Ucci. And when you're going into Ucci, there's a huge cemetery on the left hand side, and there has been as recent as last year, I know for sure sightings a bigfoot behind that cemetery, are walking through the back edge of that cemetery.

52:17 I'm gonna definitely look into that. So as late as last year you're saying there's been reports and then yeah, that's cool. Yes, yeah, yeah, I've talked to people that's had Yeah, they live up in that area and they're like, man, we see them all the time, you know, we hear this all the time. Wow. Mary, thank you so much for spending an hour of your time with me and just sharing something absolutely really interesting things of what's going on in this area you're familiar with, and hopefully if people are listening to this and they know of things going on around U Ucci, in the cemetery and uh, all this man there's even a place called Monkey Island near this.

53:04 Yay, okay, so Monkey Island. Monkey Island got its name because a circus was coming through a month. You've actually got loose. They captured them. But yeah, yeah, this whole area is I mean, have you ever come down here? You'll have fun. Yeah, it's as it's as crazy as There's another lake. It's down by Texas. The lake it's called Lake Texoma has a lot of weird stuff like you guys. Oh yeah, I've drove over that one. That's some cool, cool areas down there. Yeah, fun stuff.

53:44 They both look like dragons. That's weird when you when you look. Anyways, man, Mary, thank you so much. Keep me in mind if you have a run into any other in your area. Absolutely, thank you so much for coming on today. You're welcome. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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55:54 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening. There's two ready to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need you tell, because if you don't then shame on you, you know, shame on you.