Bigfoot Rocks Ohio: Close Encounters in the Woods!

0:01 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremi Byron Tonight's story comes straight from the woods of Ohio, where a group of seasoned Bigfoot hunters thought they knew what to expect until they stumbled upon something that shook them to their core. Mike Miller, part of the Ohio Night Stalkers, takes us on a wild drive through encounters with a creature that rocks the very foundation of what we thought we knew about bigfoot. Rock throwing Eerie Howell's in an unexpected moonlit glimpse of a creature so large it defies belief. This is no legend, no myth. It's a first hand account, straight from the heart of Ohio's darkest forest. So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Mike Miller today. Mike is an individual from the Ohio Night Stalkers group from down there in Ohio.

0:47 We've talked to one of Mike's proteges, Cody, on the show recently, and afterwards I was able to get connected to Mike. Mike has recorded over ten years of interesting audio evidence from southeast Ohio, some of which we will be listening tonight and that's been Those have been also listened to by David Ellis from the Olympic Project. You may have also heard some of Mike's encounters that were featured in the Terror in the Woods TV show. But Mike, welcome to the show. How's it going tonight? Man? Thanks for having me. It's going good. How are you going doing?

1:30 Great? Man? Just kind of hanging out and talking about Bigfoot makes for a good night. You know, There's it's crazy how much wild stuff happens in Ohio. And when I was talking to Cody, he was really sharing some interesting things. But before we get into that, you know, someone who has been involved so long as yourself, I always like to start off the interview by asking, you know, what was it that got you into the big foot field? To begin with? Well, you know, I never never, I didn't wake up one day and say hey, I'm gonna go do this. I basically watched growing up in any show on Bigfoot or UFOs or anything unexplained stuff. I watched all that stuff, you know, in search of and all those old programs, and I was interested. And I never really thought anything was in Ohio. I didn't think Ohio had big enough tracts of woods, you know, wooded areas for anything like that, and I thought all that would be Pacific Northwest and you know, stuff like that, California, stuff like that. But I don't know. Seventeen eighteen years ago, on the local Channel seven news, I was living in Hebrew Heights at the time, and they talked about bigfoot sighting in Ohio and I like laughed, you know, I'm like, oh, come on, And I thought, you know, people were freaking drunk or stoned or you know, scared of their own shadow kind

3:02 of thing. And but it kind of, you know, maybe chuckle, and I decided to get on. I was working like a second third shift hybrid thing at the time, so I was gonna be up a while. But anyway, I got online and I typed in Ohio and Bigfoot and lo and behold. I think I stumbled into the BFRORO website and I clicked on the state and then I I was expecting to see one or two reports, is all I thought, And basically it dropped down to reports by county and I both fell out of my freaking chair and I just started, you know, the counties I lived or the county I lived in. I read those counties I used to live in. I read those, and I just started looking neighboring counties and reading reports. And you know, some of them, I laughed. You know some of them, I thought, you know, you're just scared of your own shadow, basically. But there was a couple of those that kind of struck a nerve. And one of them, the guy was in southern Ohio and he had a five year old male German Shepherd. And I grew up with a German Shepherd. I'm I'm partial to him and my favorite dog. And he said he didn't know what was in his backyard, but his inside door was open, his outside door was closed and it was all glass. Well, this dog came through that glass door to get back in the house, ran to the furthest point away in

4:32 the house, curled up and pete itself. And those dogs don't do that. And then there's a report where a lady had her kids walking along the river. This is in Miami County of my Tip City, and I'm reading that report and there was whistling going on, and the and the mom at first thought somebody was fishing and just playing around. But What worried the mom is she taught music, and she said the whistles went so high up and active and stuff. She said, a person can't do that. And her boy was kind of dragging behind there and he's supposedly seen this thing and had to have therapies. And she called the police. And I'm thinking, no way that this is only you know, ten miles or so from the freaking airport. I mean, come on.

5:24 And I back then, I was younger and stuff, played a lot of softball, and guy on the team his brother was a Troy cop. And I said, hey, ask your brother. I said, I'm not trying to run this lady down or nothing. I said, I just want to know if this really happened, you know, or is this like when internet stories, you know, especially you know nowadays. Oh my goodness, but I don't know. A month or two went by and he goes, oh, by the way, I talked to my brother and yeah, they went there, you know, the cops went there. He really did call that, there's a report that. So I decided to go to that area. I was married at the time, and it took her cousin Paul, and we walked back in there and this is the strangest thing. You know, it was August had rained in weeks, but this kind of a weird feeling, and I seen like structures. You know, what I know now is is a structure. But I just seen weird things that didn't make any sense. And I'm like, well, you know, how could the tree be broken like that?

6:28 And that could be like that? You know, you know, how did that? You know, and it's too big for someone to lay it in there? And I thought, well, you know, storm work do that, you know, And but you know, I just seen some weird stuff and you know, had the feeling of kind of being watched, and I don't know, it just kind of that kind of struck me too, and I just kept basically, I know this is winding on and on. I'm sorry about that, but you know where you keep going absolutely okay. Well, I just kept looking, and you know, the more I looked, the more I found. And I didn't expect that, and you know, the Internet set me. I found a guy named George Taylor through Dan through Dan Moser. Dan Moser had a website and he had post pictures posted from Clark County like Buck Creek State Park and but you know, I were blurry, but it was something I'm like, no way, you know, And I contacted him and he looked me up with George, and George took me through freaking I'm gonna go ahead and say the name of the park Charleston Falls in Miami County. And we went off the trails, and if you go off the trails there you find some really interesting stuff. Structures. A tree that had it's had all the limbs ripped off of it, It's bent and driven into the ground. Looks like a little mini Saint Louis arch. I seen trees that were probably two

8:00 three inches in diameter, snapped at about a seven foot high, laid the same way. And when you looked above those and these were this was a fresh break. I mean the wood was not you know, hadn't been exposed, you know that long. I mean the wood was bright color and everything, and all the canopy above it was perfect, untouched. And I'm like, a storm isn't going to come in here and break these trees and then not rip that canopy out, you know. And he just showed me, and George taught me the difference between storm damage and unnatural damage. You know, there's a tree there that's leaning into these other ones. And the tree was snapped almost at ground level, probably sixty yards up a trail and dragged, you know.

8:53 And you'd had to have this a big breaking part of a tree, you know. You wouldn't need a you know, fork lived you need some types of equipment to do that. And I just kept seeing all this stuff and filling my head with it. But I was still on the fence and we had an encounter over there during the daytime where we went up a dry creek bed, did some whistles, and something followed us the rest of the way we hiked for the park. And of course I worked for UPS and people at work are having a field day riven me, you know, and they're like, oh, that's you know, he probably had one of his buddies over there, and he did that is scary. And I said, okay, that is definitely possible. I said, but why I don't work for the newspaper, don't work for a TV station.

9:44 Why go to all that trouble to trick a truck driver, you know? And but I decided to do a comparison test. So I waited probably a month, and I decided to call in sick that day and go over there by myself. I didn't tell any anybody, you know. One person that knew I was going there that day was God. That was it. And I went there and I hiked that same creek, bed off the trail, I whistled, went back to the trail, walked the park and lo and behold, I was followed again. And that was kind of pretty unnerving actually, And I told them people at work, I said, now, either something that's in there, or this guy's buddy lives in the park in case someone comes by, you know that he needs to, you know, sneak around and sneak up on. But anyway, long story short, ran into some of the people i'm with now. Mike Feldner met him through Mark Mills. Mike retired this year. He's just him and his wife, Pam. Have a lot going on. They're trying to get their house ready. They may sell it and move. They're not sure they want to travel, you know, kind of got to do the husband thing, you know.

10:59 And I met him and they were different. They went out at nighttime. You know, George was a day stalker. Everybody else I had ran into or talked to was all during the day, but these guys were the exact opposite. So I'm like, okay. So they invited me on a night hike and we went to East Fork State Park hiked one of the horse trails, and this was in October. It was rainy by forty degrees, not a really good night. I'm like the third wheel here. I'm just along to the ride and I don't know mile or two up in there, and they did the wooden knocks and the howls and nothing replied, and you know, rain picked up a little bit, and they're like, well, nothing's going on.

11:49 We stayed a couple hours. It's his head out and I'm thinking, okay, this is cool. I went on a night hike. Looks like I'm going to survive it. You know. Paul's good. And about ten minutes, not even that, not even ten minutes into the walk out of there, It's when things really changed for me because at this point I'm on the fence. I've seen a bunch of blurry pictures. I've read some really compelling stories that were just you know, made you, you know, goosebumps and all that. But still I'm kind of like I don't know. I don't know. We start walking out of there and we had the first time I heard a rock thrown at means they saw a rock at us. And this rock was big.

12:38 And I'm not saying this because I was in the woods at night with no light on. It was just my imagination, and I was scared. I was a teenager, you know, and don't do these kids, but I you know, I threw rocks of trains. You know how big a rock is, and you know what it sounds like, and all that this rock is. It was in flight because we couldn't see it. It was hitting the tree limbs. It wasn't bouncing off of him, it was snapping them. That is a totally different freaking noise. And it hit the tree over by me with a lot of forests, bounced off, hit the ground, and tumbled end over end. I mean I heard all that, and I'm like, I was really freaking, pretty much freaked out and alarmed at that point, and at the lectures, I like to say, you know, anyone that's you know, I was. I was the person in the back of the line. I was the third guy there, you know, trying to walk out of there, and anyone that's seen a good horror movie, you know, you know what happens to the guy in the back of the line. He's the first one gone, you know. And that's what I thought was awaiting me and we and we had like, I don't know, probably fifteen minutes still to walk out of there. And as we made our way out, there's a spot where the woods came right upon that trail, and I thought, oh, my goodness, this is an ambulance point, and sure enough had another thrown and the same thing. It's sailing over our heads, its stampeding branches. And at that point I did not think I was going to see my son grow up. And I literally, I'm not saying this just

14:12 to say it. I really did it. I said the Lord's Prayer under my breath the rest of the way I hiked out of there. I just kept repeating it. And when I got off that trail, I knelt down and kiss the ground because I didn't think I was getting out of there, and that unnerved me. And uh, and of course you know, they're like, oh, you know, people threw rocks at you, and like no one knew we were going there. We didn't put it you know on fate on Facebook at the time. Hey we're going here, We're gonna look for big Foot. No, you know, and we we went somewhere else, first to a private property that said they had something going on, and then went to this place. It was like this the out of the blue, Hey let's go here, since we got time, you know, for something to do. And you know that kind of night way back in there, and kids are going to this hide in case somebody comes by the rocks at him. I mean, that's crazier than Bigfoot actually to think that. But that that struck me because I thought there's something going on, and I said, I, well, I pretty much retired. I had a winner to think about it, and I unretired because I thought, I want to know what's going on. But a three inch knife and a walking stick weren't going to cut it anymore.

15:22 So I got my consumer caring permit, and that's only for my own kind of peace of mind. But we continued on. You know, Mark kind of left the group and it's like Mike and his son Jordan and I and we went into it was probably about a year later. We went down into Adams County because there's just a lot of places down there. There's a lot of roads that aren't marked. There's just a lot of It doesn't look like Ohio. I mean, it looks like West Virginia or something, you know, the Appalachians start there, and it's it's just it's wooly. It's crazy, and uh, we would go, uh, you'll be to keep the one sap, No, you are good to go, okay, right the second sorry, we went into Adams County. I had a map. I'm a ups driver, so I got a map because nothing's broads down there.

16:21 There a lot of them aren't marked, and I got to know where I'm going. So I get a map and we start gritting and I said, okay, this unmarked road is this, this one is this. So we start driving them and I noticed one of these roads dead end and into a graveyard and I thought, wow, that looks kind of crazy. And I had a lot of green around it, and I thought, hey, that means it's supposedly nothing there. So we drove back in there during the daytime. I always want to go back during the daytime and look at where we're going to be at night. So I don't know what the heck I'm getting into, you know, because I've seen to me horror movies, you know. And so we drove back in there during the day and it was creepy in the daytime and really heavily wooded, a lot of undergrowth, you know, the sun doesn't make it, you know, down to the ground all the way and a lot of the areas it's just kind of it's it's different. And so we were like, okay, we're going back here. And this was this was like a year later or so, in October. It was actually October eleventh, twenty fourteen, and Jordan, Mike Feldner and I you know, rolled it. You know, we had to go into West Union for a while because it was raining directionally. You know, Ohio, Ohio and rain both have four letters. It's not a coincidence.

17:39 But we waved the rain out and then we went back to where we were. We went down that road. It went to the graveyard. Now that TV show Tear in the Woods, they showed us going there during the daytime, like when it started. We did a recon thing. They just kind of they put some stuff in there that didn't happen. But we go in there and it's probably after ten o'clock at night, easy, And at the first location we stopped, we got a reply, and to me, it sounds a lot like kind of a given monkey, kind of a sound, and like a young one. And that's all that happened there, and we went. We drove this road, it's probably five miles long. It's windy, glly, gotta have a four wheel drive to get back in there, and as you would destroy a car going in there, back in there. But we went to the graveyard. We're dead ended. And I never thought I would feel safe, safer in a graveyard than anywhere else I was that night, But that really happened because everywhere else we were the way the woods were right up against the trails and stuff.

18:50 I felt like something could reach out and grab one of us at any time and pull us in and we would just be gone. Someone would turn around and say, you know, where did he goo? You know kind of thing, And but at the graveyard, it was, you know, I kind of felt safe. And nothing happened for a long time, and then we heard whistles and stuff moving around, and then pretty much all help broke. It was there. They started screaming, howling, whatever you want to call it, and the coyotes were going off with them. But you can definitely tell the difference between the coyotes and the squatch, I mean, because the coyotes are yippie dog like noises and you know, the other other noise was very deep powerful.

19:36 It's totally different. But they did mimic. They actually started whooping, like doing wa whoa, like they were, you know, mimicking the coyotes. But I'm not sure if I sent you that recording or not. But that that one's good, but it's kind of bad because we're both talking too much in it, just because we were we never had anything like that happen, and you know, adrenalines through the roof and we just kind of. Like, wow, you hear that, wow, you know, and kind of thing. And of course they they embellished that in that TV show. They had a shining flashlights. They were ware, which we did not do. We're there in the pitch black, it's probably like one point thirty in the morning when we're in that graveyard, total darkness, and never thought I'd do that. If you told me that years ago, i'd do pull something like that. I said, you're crazy, and we uh it was so weird that went on. It was very intense that it just stopped, like somebody through a freaking switch to stop. And we waited probably forty five minutes because we wanted to hear that again. Nothing happened.

20:45 So we start heading out and you know, one way in, one way out kind of thing. So we stop at this place we call the bridge because it's a little bridge, little guardrails on it. And I know, I since this one it's the one label bab boon. But this thing went off, I mean, way more powerful than the other ones because he was closer. But that wasn't that did not dawn on us. We were just kind of oblivious that these things were following us and getting closer. We're just kind of didn't think about that. And Cody's went off with that too. But you know, like you mentioned in the introduction, David Ellis who's a professional sound analyst Washington State. He's analyzed this audio and the one from the bridge. The reason it's called baboon is because his computer program not only identifies sounds, and it can tell if it's a sound is being manufactured by a person, you know, to mimic something else. But it Also there's a spectrograph hooked into that and he can see where it goes and hurts the hurts band. He said that scream at the bridge picked higher than a bamboon on a spectrograph, and that is evidence.

22:10 Wow, let's let's let's check that out right now. Okay, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and play this. Uh this sounds from the bridge area. Yeah.

23:19 Wow, that that's one of the freakist things I've ever heard. Yeah, that's uh, he looped it. You know, it repeats itself three times, so he does that, so better chance to hear it. It didn't do it three times. It's the it's the one recording loop three times, and you can hear at the end where it's going whoa, whoa. So it's actually member Member King the coyotes again at the end of that. But that pegged higher than a baboon on a spectrograph at that location. And then it stopped, just like every place we had been, this dead stop nothing else. So we go on down the road or out of there, and there's a place we stopped at we called the turnaround. It's only place that's wide enough you can turn around if you want to I know that's clever, but uh, you're given when you're not familiar and you're back in the middle of nowhere, you're gonna start you're going to give stuff names, you know. And but we got out of the vehicle there and uh, you know, Mike had did some hows earlier. This thing had howled it like mimicked the how he had did earlier, but just sounded a lot bigger. And he kind of went over by the by the uh edge of the woods off the trail, and this thing was behind the tree actually peeked around the tree at him. He's seen the you know, the cone shaped head and one of the eyes and uh, you know, he kind of stumbled

24:51 back toward the car. They showed him and the TV show having a full blown anxiety attack. It wasn't that bad, but everybody was, you know, kind of I would say, freaked out. But we were like, you know, we were it was you know stuff, something was going on and we were reacting to it, and you know, nothing else happened there. We move on. We stopped again. We're within probably half a mile a being out of there at this point, and that off that road if you want to call it a road and we all get out this time and Jordan does a how and he gets a reply. We don't have that recorded because our batteries died and we learned a lesson that night. So now like we go out, I have a tackle box. It's just nothing but batteries basically, and but so we didn't we didn't record anything else that night. But Jordan was wasn't even that howling, and they replied, but they were on each side of this road trail we want to call it. And uh, that really alarmed me because I'm like, wait a minute, we're freaking surrounded. That's when it dawned on all of us that hey, we're surrounded and they're close.

26:13 They're way closer than they were, and it's like, are they going to let us leave? Kind of feel are we being heard it in you know, closed off and you know, we know we're not that far from getting out of there, but it's like we're still inside the bottle, if you want to call it that. And I wondering if we were going to put the lid on on close this in and all this is going on, and I hear air leaking out of something and I thought my kid driven over something. I went over by the vehicle. There was nothing. Wasn't coming from there. It was coming from inside the woodline. And I thought, what the world could be in the woodline doing that noise, And I actually walked into the woods. I walked to the edge of the woodline. Then I walked into the woods. And this is where I could have quite lost my life actually without knowing, totally freaking oblivious, you know, no light on, and I walk into the dark woods trying to figure out what this damn noise is. And you know that's saying curiosity kills a cat. You know that's that's a reason that's there. But I stopped, and thank god I stopped, because if I if I take another step or two, I don't know what would happen, because there's something in the woods there with me. It's not even probably twenty yards in front of me. I just can't see it.

27:32 It's dark. But I stand there and I close my eyes, and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna concentrate on this noise and figure this out. I mean, to someone throw a damn scuba tank in the woods. I mean, I'm gonna find out what's going on. That's what I'm thinking at the time. That's not that. What's happening is there's something there breathing in and out. And at this point I walked in there. When it finished its breath, it had that that huff kind of sound, and I got you can't see if I got freaking use bump saying this right now, and this thing is doing this and this huff, breathing that air out, and I am frozen. I am terrorized, but frozen. I can't even move, and I'm like, well, I got myself into and I I don't panic, but I decide to slowly start backing up. I'm afraid to turn my back. I don't want to run, but I'm just taking little bit steps backwards and trying not to fall down. And I took because I don't know if this thing's going to come out or not. But before I did that, excuse me, kin, I forgot about something here.

28:51 After one of those last huffs, this thing actually emitted a very low, very guttur role I don't even know what you want to call it, roar, some kind of thing, and it reverberated off my chest. I actually felled it. It was like being in a heavy metal concert. And that's when I decided. I thought, you know, this is it, you know this one, this is Big Daddy, and he's you know, he's wanting us out of here. This is a final war. To me, it was a final warning get out of here or else. So I'm backing up when I took it. After I took maybe I don't know how many steps, a few steps back, I did pull my gun and I did not point it. I just left it against my leg kind of because I don't know if this thing's going to come out at me or not. You know, the TV show has me firing, firing a warning shot. I did not do that. When I felt my feet hit the gravel, I turned sideways a little bit and I yelled out, and I probably, I probably my voice is probably higher than Michael Jackson's at that point, and I yelled out, we're getting the aft out of here now. And and those guys heard that too, I mean they sit and feel it reverb right off their chest. We go running into Mike's vehicle.

30:07 We get in and Mike, I mean he literally almost killed us. He almost drove off the cliff, not a cliff, but we were elevated, you know, and he almost you know, put us in the trees a different way. But and we got out of there, and we went down probably almost where you come out of there, and we stopped one more time, just to make sure everybody's in the car, make sure everything's good, and just to kind of and to kind of calm down, because we are breathing heavy driddlines through the roof. We are just you know, and we're trying to just calm down, take deep breasts. And we're sitting there, cars running, bright lights are on, and a deer walks in front of us and stops, doesn't even look at us in the car, could care less about the car. I look at Mike and say, hey, is this freaking thing on a ride or what? And it snorts. It paused the ground. It knew those things.

31:06 It was watching the direction we came from, and they were probably coming again, and it sensed them and it turned and it ran the other way and we got out of there. And that was, you know, October eleventh, twenty fourteen. And I will never forget that. I will never forget the feel of that hitting my body, the energy of that. I won't forget how that sounded when it's exhaling its breath, and that little at the end and all that. I can never unhear that, and I don't those are two things I don't ever want to hear again.

31:51 That is absolutely intense, My goodness. I mean, that's the kind of encounter that would either send you away from the field forever or you'd be in it forever. Wow. Yeah, I lost some sleep over that one. The following weekend, I had my son and at that time on East Side. Since then he had a full finished basement in the wood. I had the woods behind my building and uh uh, but not that big of a woods, and no one liked to sleep down there. And he called it camping out in the basement. And uh, so we're down there, it's the weekend and and Al went off about three in the morning, and when he woke me up, and at first I thought he'd found us, you know, and uh, yeah, I was. I was unnerved by that for a while, and uh that story got out, and uh that's why we were on tearing the woods.

32:56 Now. Something you had mentioned earlier is so there in the group, there's been at least one visual sighting. That's happened so far. Yes, we've had I know other people have had stuff at other times. I know Cody has seen shadows and stuff move around. Mike's had the one look around the tree. There's been glimpses I don't I've seen until last October. It's always October. October some kind of a special month, you know, for stuff going on. It seems I've had glimpses of stuff. I've turned around and thought I've seen something, And there was a bush I walked by, but I didn't touch it, and it's moving, which meant something cut behind me, you know, one time and big enough to make that put that bush in motion. And I didn't touch it because I came from kind of the other side of it. And I wouldn't count those. But last October at one of our new spots, just we're able to given permission to get in there because it's it's privately owned. This is an area that these different valleys kind of dump into this area. It's I don't know.

34:24 You go back in there and it's like wow, it's like you feel like you went back in time. You feel like you've left the zip code. You know, you're just like you're somewhere else and it's just it's a crazy feeling and you want to go ahead and tell you what happened. Absolutely, Okay, last October we were out there and Mike was unable to do a lot last year, but he did go that weekend and it was our ten year anniversary, so we spoke at the Portsmouth Library on the twelve of October. But on Friday night on the eleventh, we went out for the ten year anniversary.

35:08 We went to all those spots and on the ten year anniversary it was kind of special. So on the night of the twelfth, we're at this new spot and the moon is out, which I normally don't like because I just kind of feel like everything's you know, you're I don't know, you're just like got a spotlight on any kind of thing. But we found a spot where I parked in an area where we were shadowed and we had we had some special guests that night. We had well you know, Mike was there, and Sabrina was there, Cody was there, Jeff Byers, who was on our creature replica. If the people that watch Expedition Bigfoot, Russ has that Bigfoot action figure on the back of his pack. Jeff makes those, and he was there, and Donna was there.

35:57 She's like our contact and Adams County. She's Native American. And we're all there, and the McCoy's Bevan mcmcoy are there, and we kind of split up, and Cody, Jeffs, and Mike go up the trail walking away from where we're at because a lot of times, you know, they don't like that. They don't like you splitting up because they just don't know how you're doing. And the rest of us start in this other spot and I'm we sit like kind of in a circle that we're each watching a different area. We're watching three sixty, but everybody's got their spot. So I'm watching the cross where this woodline is and there's this huge tree out in front of it in a little bit of a field, and I see something come out of this woodline, and at first, you know, I'm like, okay, and then it keeps coming and I thought at first it seemed like he was kind of hunched down, so I wasn't sure what it was.

37:01 And then and there are bears in that that area. There was one actually hid by a card and way north of there, but anyway, that's another story. It stood up, and at that point I thought, you know, I'm looking at it. I'm like, that's not a damn bear. And it keeps coming and it's watching them. It's looking up the road, at the trail whatever, at those guys. I don't think it's sees this. And it keeps coming and I'm seeing I'm seeing it. You know, I don't see it super clear, but it's out to where I can see it, and it's standing up, and it's seven eight foot tall, it's big, and it keeps coming, and I at that moment, I actually start having an argument with myself.

37:50 In my mind. Half of my brain is saying that it is not what you think it is. There's no way it would walk out that far and expose itself because I, you know, I think they're pretty really they're really good at being stealthy and they don't like giving up the upper hand, and they usually don't make mistakes. Maybe and maybe this wouldn't made a mistake because it didn't see us, but it's seen the other people and it came out. My brain's saying, that's not what you think it is. It wouldn't it wouldn't do that. Then the other half of my brain is saying, dummy, right there it is, and it keeps coming and there's a spot, but there were these trees have a little bit of space between them, and the moonlight's coming through there and it gets right to that spot and that moonlight hits that thing. And it's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I've told the story a little bit, but not a lot. I've not toltally it worked, because you know, I'm afraid the reaction is going to be and to most into skeptics, they're going to say, yeah, right, you research bigfoot and you've seen one. Yeah, sure, you know, but you know this happened, and this moonlight hits this thing and it's shimmering. It's shimmering like silver. And I'm not saying it's glowing silver and it's from outer space.

39:09 What I think the reason that's happening is thanks to a TV show I watched three four years ago. They had a hair sample and it's between ape and human. They you have nothing to compare it to. It's black at the base, but at the tip of the hair toward the top. You know, it's top of the air. It's translucent, which means it's clear, and I think that's how they blend in so well. I think the hair is like that, and they can go stand next to something and blend in with it, just like a chameleon. You know. It's not supernatural. It's just natural, you know. And because of the moonlight hitting it, that's the tip of the hair absorbing the moonlight, and it's shimmering because the silver just kind of like it was washing over it.

39:56 It was I don't know how to playing it the right way other than that. And at that point I stood up because I'm shell shocked. And when I stood up, it seemed me move, and it turned and looked dead at me. And I could tell it was brown underneath the silver. I could, and the face was dark. I couldn't make out any features. I wasn't close enough for that, but it seen me move when I stood up, and it knew it knew I was. We were there then, and we're just kind of looking at each other, and I don't know what it's going to do, you know. I put my hand down. I've got it on top of my gun. I haven't took it out of the holster or anything it says there, and We're just kind of looking at each other, and I'm still almost a disbelief of what's going on. And I then I raised my hands up the show, you know, like my advice sound stupid doing this by just kind of showing my hands like hey, I got nothing in my hands, kind of raised my hands up. And then it just like doesn't give a damn and it just turns and walks back into the woodline. But when it went into that woodline is to me as like a little message to us.

41:14 It could have stepped over this part of this tree that fell down, it stepped on it and it crushed. I mean it was like crunch, crunch, and then it went back in the woods, kind of like saying, you know, you don't want to follow me in here kind of a thing. And yeah, so that's my you know, I didn't see its facial features, didn't see eyes and stuff like that, but I seen it. I mean, it was out in the open far enough to where I you know, I can tell you that's what it was. It wasn't anything else, you know, And I'm still still kind of a wore with myself over it. Also too, just because it was unexpected. I never expected that to happen, and.

42:04 I don't know, that is incredibly intense. And you know it looks like I mean, you at least got a really good look at the hair the silhouette and is there anything that you notice that you said to yourself? Man, the community usually gets that wrong. And what I'm seeing right now is is a little different than what people say. Nothing like that. Just the size of it, you know, because I've been I've been to football games and and and been down at field level and seeing you know, NFL players and stuff like that, you know, in uniform, and and this thing was way freaking bigger than the people.

42:48 I mean, it was you know, it was you know that for sure, you know, was striking, but nothing nothing I could say, well, no, it's you know, but just the you know, the odd thing was just the shimmering the silver light shimmering off of it because they you know, I think because of the translucent hairtips, you know, absorbing that and and that's that was the weirdest thing to me, because you know, I'm not saying it was colored silver, you know, it does. Its hair absorbed that light for a little bit until it moved and then that went away.

43:29 Of course, once it steps out of the moonlight, it's back to me. And you know it was black before then because it was in darkness. But when but I could see, I could see that it was brown. It was a dark and brown actually color, you know, underneath the silver because of the moonlight. Having that that visual encounter. Did that affect you in any ways in the days after that sighting? Yeah? It still effects me now, is because it's like, like I said, in my brain is like, no, that couldn't have happened. He wouldn't have done that. They're too smart to do something like that. But then it's like, hey, you know you've seen it me, you know you know what was that? Then? You know it did that. It's just I guess because I didn't expect that. I never all these years I've researched. You know, I've been thrilled.

44:27 You know people, you know, doctor Jeff Beldrim is like you know, with Bob being pretty much retired. To me, Meldrim is like the pope of the Bigfoot world. He's Numero uno and he does the tracks and that's great, and his stories and stuff and examine those tracks is second to none, and and tracks are fun. I found a few by accident, but I don't want to carry stuff out and try to try to make casts of tracks. I'm excited about audio because audio is something I can bring home and I know it happened that night I was there. You know, a track could be a day old, a week old, could be a month old or longer. The audio happened that freaking night. Well, we were there.

45:10 And then I can send that to people like David Ellis and he can put it through his program and tell me if it's, you know, really something strange, or if it's an owl or whatever else or you know, horse whatever. You know, have you been back to that location since that time? Now we're going back to Memorial Day. Wow, and you actually have a recording from the audio is what excites me, and that's what I'm trying to record. That's why the recorders are set up to try to gather evidence that's happening that night. Yes, we we are going to that area this coming Memorial Day. And you have a recording I think I sent you from last year Memorial Day.

46:00 It's within it's not at that exact spot, it's probably maybe, I don't know, not even one hundred yards north of there, you know, same area, and it's labeled I think Hidden Valley Angry Giant. What we started doing in the last couple of years we got away from the wood knock, you know, we would wood dock sometime, but we got away from doing howls, you know, a human doing a howl or whatever. And Cody's got a call blaster and it's got real animal sounds embedded in it, already loaded in there, and they're not it's not a fact simile sound.

46:40 It's a real animal and that kind of breaks up the monotony you'll be sitting. We sat in the dark and talked obal voice for about probably thirty forty minutes. If nothing happens, we break that thing out. And that night last year we called blasted a wolf howling. I'm not sure if there's wolves still in a high or not, I don't know, but it's it's a great thing to play because it stirs the coyotes up and it freaks things out, and it's the end of the wolf howl has got a real good ooh kind of thing as it drops down, you know, kind of like a big foot in the way. But it's just and this echoes. It's awesome. Nothing happened. Then Cody played wolves howling a pair of wolves, and after he played that, we got to reply, I'm not sure what that is in the beginning part of it is a coyote. There might be something else in there, but I don't know. Twenty seconds into that, there's a roar and that's big. That's big daddy.

47:43 You know what I think happened is happening there. I think that's the big daddy of that area of the group. There's more than one and he's saying, hey, mister wolf, you know whatever, this is my freaking yard. If you want to play that, absolutely, let's go ahead and play the angry giant sound here. Nope, that's wrong. Here, here we go, let's play the angry giant sound.

48:55 Wow. That that was extremely I would I'd probably be getting it. I don't know how i'd react to that. That's some wild stuff. I'm the one that whistled like when it in between it there, Yep, we didn't talk. I was like like, whoa, but it was mad. That thing was mad. Was that a one time deal that you heard something like that or is that something that you hear more than once? No, there's there there was more that night recorded that was you know, that was kind of the intense, kind of kind of what I would call the finding moment.

49:37 Though there's I'm not sure I can't remember everything I sent you, but. We've got we've got two more. Let's make sure we get them in. So the the one we haven't done yet, there's one called hidden Creatures. Okay, that's from that night. All right, I'm gonna go ahead and play that one here. H M, all right, so what's uh, what's the story behind the Hidden Creatures there?

50:42 That was a little bit later that night, and there's more than one. They're communicating and did you notice the one where it's like it's it's like it changes pitch, you know, coyotes don't do that. And that was weird that that was extremely, extremely weird. I can't imagine hearing both of those sounds on the same night. We also have one that says ooh uh ooh. So that's from a I'm trying to think of that was that was a couple of years ago in a different spot. The reason it's titled that I know I have these insane titles. Is it actually makes that noise whether the creature that's doing that goes ooh uh oh, it really does that and you have to you've got to be a primate to sound out vowel sounds.

51:42 All right, let's let's check it out. Yeah, you weren't kid, I mean that is yeah, that's actual vowel sounds that dude that I've never heard anything like that. That is weird. Yeah, David Ellis he analyzed that one. Also, he's the one that looped it, you know, three times there. Yeah, but uh yeah, he's actually he's doing a book now and he's collecting a bunch of He's got a couple of ones that I've recorded were it almost sounds like a language like the ou ouh or where the tone changes and all that. And he's putting all those together trying to I think maybe make a Rosetta stone kind of thing. But that's very exciting.

52:48 It is. It is very weird. By you know, doing the show talking to a lot of people, has started to notice a pattern where a lot of people are are we poorting from different parts of the country where they'll hear something it sounds like a two syllable type of word or phrase. Like they can't make a large word, but they can kind of put two sounds together. It's just, uh, is this one of those things where you you just keep getting little bits of info here and there and be interesting to see where David Ellis, you know, takes takes all this and including the sounds that you guys have captured down in Ohio. It's very very cool.

53:36 Yeah, very very honored to be part of that. And David Is he'll do a great job of that, I know. And and he'll he'll probably he'll probably find something or come up with something. And you know, I'm I'm predicting he'll have some kind he'll create kind of a template for something. I'm saying something something good is going to come out of that, you know, because if you keep putting sounds together, you know, maybe pretty soon you can maybe figure something out. Yeah. Absolutely, have you guys or I guess I'll you know, ask you specifically, since you're the one here. Have you over the years, you know, thinking about what you've experienced, what you've seen, what you heard, have you come to a point yet where you have an idea of what it is we're dealing with when we talk about Bigfoot out there.

54:36 I don't know, I think, Mike, and this is just my guess. You know, people out there don't kill me for this, but I think it's maybe a mix of something, you know, maybe early hominid and an ape or something, because it's got you know, it's got different characteristics of different things, so it's got to be some kind of of a hybrid of mix. You know. I do not believe aliens brought them here to mind gold. If if a you know, if UFOs can come here with you know, with the spacecraft, they should be able to pull gold out. They should have something to do that, you know, some kind of contraption and so and you know, all the Native Americans, the languages haven't worked for Bigfoot. And it doesn't refer to Bigfoot as a god or a deity.

55:28 It's you know, keeper of the woods, watcher of the woods, grandfather of the woods. It's it's just something they dealt with and lived alongside. It really wasn't a big deal. It was you know, respect and and stuff like that. And so they were here, you know, So I don't think they were brought here. I think they've been here the whole time. I just think when you know, when the white people, you know, we got here and you know, we started killing everything, we start putting in dollar generals every three miles, you know. I think I think Bigfoot before us, I think Bigfoot was awake during the day and slept at night. I think it had, you know, that kind of a pattern. I think they flipped that around.

56:16 I think they are mostly down during the daytime and they're up at night because you know, most of us, most of the same people in the United States were you know, we're dead or whatever at night time and we're not in the woods and except for crazy people like us, and they have less chance of running into a person. I think they've changed their their method of operation, their mo you know, to keep away from us. But I'm not sure what it could be. I mean, I think if one was ever, if they ever got enough DNA, I think it would make sense. It's gonna and I'm Christian, it's not it doesn't mess with my faith or anything.

56:59 It's just it's gonna make sense wherever it falls in. It's it's gonna be like, Okay, I got it. Absolutely. Will there be a point that you get to where you can say, you know what I did, what I set out to do, and I can walk away from this. I don't I've never thought about that. I've been asked before if if you know, if someone you know, you know, they had a body somewhere or something and you can actually go up and look at it and everything, and wow, it's that was we're having a stom here. If you've heard that, if I would quit because there would be I don't know. I don't know how to answer that.

57:48 It's just right now, I'm having fun researching and you know, guys, people on the team you know, are just wonderful, will be around. It's fun to year round. It's you know, I played I played baseball in football in high school, played softball. It's forever when I was done with that, and this is my hobby now. So it's it's fun. You get out in the woods, you see things, you see other animals, you see you know when nothing A lot of times nothing happens. You know, we're out there and not a freaking thing happens, other than you know, maybe a raccoon looking at us. We've had deer walk up and looking at us like, hell, are you doing here at this time at night, and uh, but you know, you see the moonlight coming through the trees and it's just beautiful. And I think to myself, you know, there's people in bed right now that I haven't seen this, and they're missing out. And so as long as as long as you know, gots some people I enjoy being around, and uh to do that and uh, getting out there is fun and it's and it got to keep it fun, you know, and uh and not get crazy serious and sae with it. And as long as it as long as it remains fun, probably keep doing it. But you know, of course I'm going to get older and you know, maybe squatching from the freaking car. What was that? What was that? Sunny? You know, I pushed my son out of the car, see what that was? You know. But I have to tell you, this is one of one

59:18 of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. We were in an area, nothing was happening, and there's this huge oak tree in this field, and all of a sudden, all these you know, fireflies, lightning bugs, whatever, welled up from the ground and came up and rose and just kind of dispersed into this tree. And I'm like, and you know, I couldn't get a picture of it or anything, but too far, I mean, too far away to do that. But it was just beautiful. And I pointed and I said, look at that, and I said, somebody years ago seeing the exact thing. And he's probably the one that had been at Christmas Lights because that's what it looked like.

1:00:05 It was unbelievable. So that that is beautiful, and I think that's a that's a great thing, you know, to remind us that when we are out looking for things like Bigfoot, we need to be also aware of the beauty and nature that's out there and not to take that for granted. So yeah, that's pretty cool. Well, Mike, just thank you for coming on and for sharing some some great interactions that you've had over the years and some great audio. And you know, before we close our time out, is there a way that people can keep up to date with what the Ohio Nightstalkers are up to?

1:00:49 Or yes, we have a Facebook page. Please like it, Ohio Nightstalkers. Space between each word there I post anything we're gonna do, like any place. You know, Mike's not even doing the lectures this year, and he's like retired, retired, and but I'm doing them this year at Solo and the next one coming up is June twenty first, I'm actually speaking at the Glide Sasquatch Festival in Glyde, Oregon. But I do have some in Ohio, Pennsylvania and some other places and they can check on there. I think one of them is in oh not sure. September October.

1:01:29 It's a Spirit of the Spirits of the Forest Bigfoot Festival that's in Solina, Ohio, and Russ is going to be there. We actually took Russ to our location three. It will be three years ago this July, where like some of the rocks were thrown. But anyway you can find anyone can find out information if they go there. That's great. People can meet you at different places around the US. Coming up, it sounds like. But Mike Miller, thank you so much for spending some time tonight. I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you having me on and talking about it, and thank you very much. Appreciate it. I had a blast.

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