Bigfoot Springs of East Texas

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Fort Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Bron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where a friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big Faciety. I've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who contacted me from East Texas. His name is Chris. How's it going tonight, Chris?

0:54 Pretty good? How are you doing? Oh? I'm doing great, Chris. I can't even talk about stuff that's coming up for twenty two twenty four. Man, it's gonna be awesome. I got stuff going on, but I am beyond excited to talk to you tonight. We've been trying to I think get this set up for a little bit of time, and it just sounds very interesting. Without any further ado, I'm just going to pass it right over to you, Chris, and feel free to share what you are experiencing in your area. Awesome. I bought this piece of property outside of Avenger about it's gone four years ago. That's got a little spring fed creek through the middle of it with some pretty good sized spring pools. Obviously, all the wildlife and the deers, the big cats, everything else we've got out there. These are old creeks, so they've been coming here for years and years. A whole bunch of wildlife out there. And of course I'm from the East Texas, so I've lived here in East Texas. I've hunted these woods my entire life. I'm fifty three now, so I know all but everything we have out here. But since I've gotten this piece of property, I've never seen it, but I have heard so many different things I can't tell you what they are. For example, one thing about this this property that I wanted to do. I wanted to when I got out there to build the cabin. Wanted to do everything by hand, old school, so that it's what I tell people, I want to look like a Norman rock Wall picture when they come down there. So that being said, I set me in ten up out there and everything else. So while I'm working, I've got a place to be. So a few nights of the week I would stay out there while i'm clear and brush and things like this.

2:24 And that's when I started noticing something not normal. And what would happen would be the first thing I would hear was being out there in East Texas like that. It's so quiet. You can drop a Q tip on the floor and hear it. It's so quiet at night out there. And I would hear a tree knock, and I've never heard these anywhere in my life, and it was three knocks. You can tell it's wood on the side of a tree. It's unmistakable, that's what it is. And for the first night I heard it, and I heard it, I thought the world did I just hear? And then a few hours later I heard it again. I didn't think too much of it, to be honest, And a few nights went by, and then I stayed out there again, and sure enough, every night that I would stay out there, I would hear that and I never could pinpoint what it would be. I would try to shine the light out, I'd try to go out there the next day and look at it, things like this. I cannot figure out what it was.

3:20 This rock's along for I don't know a month or two, and one night I'm out there and I hear a how Now, when I first bought this property, there was only another house at the end of this county road. And we're in the thick woods out there now, and they're off the grid. I'm not really off the grid, but they're way up by themselves and stuff, so there's nothing else around. But it's really good hunting land still. I have tons of deer and everything else coming through there, big cats, podcats, you name it, all coming up in there for that spring and pool. And so this one particular night, I heard a howl. And I know we have all the colodies obviously. I know we have the small red rulves, and we even have some gray loafers that a lot of people don't think we have down here, which is wolf. But I know for a fact we do because I've seen it, and I know what they sound like. I know what the big cats sound like when they screaming.

4:14 I know what the bobcat sounds like. I know what the screen how is all that everything sounds like. This was a very deep, long, very vocal and loud how with almost a growl sound in it. And I've never heard that in my life. I listened to it, and I just when it started, I sat straight up, and then I listened and listen until it quit. Then I listen for anything else. I don't hear anything else that was new. So this rocked on about five months. While I'm building the cabin. Different times i'd be out there at night, I'd hear these things. And I've heard that how probably four times now now over the period of almost four years that I live out here. We used to have a very large hog population out there, but the county of the state one or two had spent some money to try to get the population down, so they hired some hunters to come in and take the hogs out, and they're down.

5:17 They took about eighty percent of the night, I would say, of that general area. So since the hog population dropped, I've noticed two things. I've not heard the howl anymore, I've not heard the tree knock anymore, And I've not been seeing the big cats anymore either. Obviously they were coming up using that as a food source. Whatever this is now. During all this time, you could hear at times, we could be four or five of us sitting out on the porch of the cabin. I forgot it that we can be sitting out there just having a good time talking, listening to music or whatever, and you can hear something walking close by, and we'll turn everything off and listen. You can definitely hear, and it's a large bipedal like a human walking. And then when we all try to get real quieted and get quiet and we'd talk a little bit and still listen, and you can hear it walk around with it. You can shine the light all you want all that long. I don't care what kind of light.

6:11 You just never can see anything. And this happens on a pre record basis. I'm out about working in different areas of the country all the time. My son and friends or stuff will go up to the cabin and things like that, and everybody that's ever been there has heard this. Matter of fact, I've got people that refuse to go back to the cabin now because they hear that walking around out there and they can't figure out what it is. My son is in there one night and he's got the little fire going and he's sitting in the little living room there talking on the phone to his girlfriend and actually has her on a speakerphone, and then all of a sudden, you hear something really loud. He said, something really loud slapped the back corner of the cabin, real loud, and it's loud that when his girlfriend heard it, she said, what was that. He said, I don't know. Something hit the cabin. So then he thanks, wait a minute, dad's here trying to pull a trick on me or something. So he calls me, hey, where are you at. I was in I think Wisconsin at the time or Minnesota at the time, and he says, definitely wasn't used. Something hits the back corner of the house. He goes out of with the gun, the light and everything. He never can see anything.

7:20 He can hear a bipedal walk after a little while, but not right away. He didn't hear it, so he never could pinpoint what it was. So then we got to thinking, Okay, we've got somebody sneaking down here. Because it's a new place somebody's coming down here, probably didn't know you were here. Maybe they're gonna try to break in still gun or whatever. So we started really watching for that kind of thing. And a human I don't know how to say this politely, but they're not real smart if they're a crook again with so they're gonna walk through saying der mud something, They're gonna leave tracks, they're gonna leave the trace of some kind. Well, we never got a trace of any kind. And to get into that property the way it is because I left it, there would it except for just to right the near area around it, just enough of a firebreak around it and things like that, you would have to go. If you're going to try to come in there at night, there's no way you're going to walk through these woods without just getting tangled up and dines and briars and everything else. You're gonna have a light and you're gonna get tore up and hurt.

8:18 There is no evidence of anybody coming through brush or anything around the surroundings of it. And then every other way you have to come in, there's area you will cross sand or mud or something. We have no footprints or anything out there. So it's not a person coming down there messing with us. We rolled that out pretty quick. And besides that, nothing was ever locked up and nothing ever stolen. We've got steel chainsaws and things like that setting out unlocked, and if somebody would have been coming down there, then they would have picked that up and run off of it. Nothing come up missing, so it's not a person coming down there. And then at times you can be sitting out there and this happened once. The last time, I'm about i'd say about three months ago, my son and I were sitting on the porch talking. We both came up there about the same time we were sitting out there just talking. It just got good and dark, and the god awful list almost a rotten egg, wet dogs smell you've ever smelled, all of a sudden drifts through there, and I'm looking at my son, what in the world is this? And then within a minute that smell just drifts on off. There's no wind blowing. So it wasn't like there's people near me now that have bought property near me now, and that It's not like that there was their septic system or something that you got to the smell of that or something because there's no wind at all. Now, this has happened several times. And one other thing. I will say that since the people bought the sixty acres across the road from me, they cleared out

9:52 a lot of the timber and made a lot of pasture out there. He's got a few cows and a horse and stuff like that, and he keeps out there. And since that has happened and the cog population down, I've not been hearing how But I tell you one thing that was very interesting that happened. My grandson comes out there and stuff. I'm really keep an eye on that creek. Make sure there's no snake on things like that. If I know he's coming out there, I'll check it all out and things like that real good. And this particular day, I find a pretty good size probably about it for and a half with water mooksking, and so I shot it and killed it, and I was working, so I just took a rake and tossed it up on the far bank for right now while I was finishing the work I was doing. And I got done with it and then went back over there, and of course it's dead shut out with twelve games, has no head on. It can't crawl around this five or six hours later. And the reason I'm telling you that is because so later when I tell you what ficksing to happen, you'll know that snake didn't move on the song, just from its muscles. But I went back over there and I took the rake, and I pick it up, and I cared to the back of the prop and there's a place back there where the hogs would get down and wallowing the mud and the summertime and things like that to get them weft to cool them off and things like that, and then they would scrape on the tree to get that stuff cleaned off of them. So I tossed that snake down in there close to where that mud pit was that since they hadn't been in there in the little bit it was dry, So I tossed it over in there. Now that thing landed upside down in a muddy area, just like a little one foot by one foot little money patch than it

11:24 in. And then pretty much the leaves it all falling around here there and everywhere. The next day, my son and I said, let's go back there and see if the hogs came back and ate that snake. So we come back there and the snake is not there, so we thought the hogs got it, and we get to look around, but there's no evidence of hogs anywhere, and then we see the snake. It's three feet from where we dropped it, and you can still see the indention in the mud where it laid upside down in the mud. Now it's about three feet away, is sitting right side up on the little ledge, almost like it crawled there. But I shot it with a twelve gage with bucks, and it laid in one spot for about six hours before I took it back there and threw it down, So that wasn't muscle contraction or anything caused the snake. To me, The interesting thing was in that mud close to where that snake lay, you can still see the scales on the top side of the snake does upside down. You can see it looked like a barefoot print. In other words, like if you didn't have your shoes on, you step in the mud, your heel and part of the left side or the right side of your foot, either with their left foot or right foot, you can see that invention in the mud. Of course, the toe area was overleaf so you couldn't see any of the toe marks or anything. And I asked my son, we're the only to that, So did you come back here earlier or something of that shoes on? No, I ain't been out here about my shoes on for no reason. We got a heelprint in there, and it's not really large, but it's definitely a heelprint in half of a foot, and so we got pictures of that and everything because we thought, what

12:56 any world, I don't even know what to think, but I get us. Over the entire period of time, we've probably had a total of twenty run ins with whatever's making these sounds, as far as hearing the footsteps, the walking, the smells. Say, the how I've heard four times, and each time I hear it, I stopped that still and I listened long and hard at that how. And because first time I heard it, I thought, let me try to figure out where it came from. And then after I realized, this is something I don't know what is, and I started really trying to listen to it so I know it if I hear it again. And so anyway, it just this, I've never seen at all whatever's making this sound. But we definitely have something in those woods that's different, that's not I was fixing to say, not native these Texas, but it could very well be make native these Texes. I don't know. But and this is one thing here that's most people, have you ever seen a wolf in the wild? And most of everybody you asked will tell you, yeah, I know wolves exist, but no, I've never seen one.

14:01 Never got a wolf on a trail camp either. You get cadvities on a trail camp all the time, but you never get a wolf on a trail camp hardly ever, because they're very keen and very smart. So my thing is, if there's a wolves out there that I know for a factor there, and you can talk to Texas Park from Wildlife Vision and they'll tell you for a fact they're there as well, and you've never seen them, doesn't mean they're not there. They're still there. So we have something that's here that's very familiar with the woods. And I know, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to call it. As a thing. My little property is called big Foot Springs because we got all them springs out there. And then my grandson and he comes up there, he tells me, I'm I'm gonna set big foot traps. So I don't know if he's ever set a big foot trap and on, but if I've ever disappeared, y'all, come look out there. I might be in a big foot trap somewhere that he's made. But there's something out there. And here's the thing about it. I've been up in Colorado before and I've encountered Grizzly Bear up there or brown bear brother at a pretty close distance. And before I ever saw it, my senses knew it was there. My hair on the back of my neck stood up, and my adrenaline starts pumping. And I've never seen it, never heard it, but I knew it was there, and I knew it was in trouble. I knew it needed to get out of there. My dad spent the last twenty three years of his life in Lincoln, Maine, up on a mountaintop. So I got up there one time

15:31 and I encountered the bull moose and the same thing. Before I ever saw that bull moose and knew he was there, same thing, my senses knew he was there. I knew I was in trouble. But whatever this is, I don't feel threatened in any kind of way. There's no worry of my hair on the back of my neck, don't stand up. There's no worry. Am I going to be attacked or anything like that. I've got a bigter fear of the hogs than whatever whatever this is. I don't know. It's pretty I'd like to know what it is. I put out game cans, and I've caught everything under the sun on my game cans, everything else except whatever this is. I walked out the back door of that cabin going to the smoker, which is fifteen feet away from the back door, twenty feet away from the back door, and just on the other side of the smoker stands one of them on my pampers. And she's standing there looking straight at me broadside, twitching her tail. And I knew not to get near her. I knew there would be danger with her if I got there, but I wasn't too worried about her. But whatever this is, it's definitely different. I don't see it to be a harm harmful to me in any kind of way, unlike everybody else. I'd like to know what it is. I'd like to see it sometime to figure it out. No, that is, you're really having some interesting things going on that property. You'd sent me a write up of what you're experiencing earlier, and I just want to make sure. Are there any other things that you've been hearing that are out of the ordinary besides howls. I've heard the howls. I've heard the

17:04 tree knocks, and you know how when the deer bleats that little sound it makes. I've heard something like that. And I do have several those that bring their farms down every year, and so I know what they sound like when they're communicator back and forth doing what they do in the buck, even when he makes the sounds he makes. But there is another sound that I heard one day that I put off as probably squirrels because I couldn't I didn't hear long enough to be able to get a good enough, you know, lock on it to really tell what it is. But it's almost like a I don't even know how to describe it. Have you ever heard chipmunks chattering or squirrel chattering and stuff and the sounds that they make. It's almost like that it was a knight time and that was pretty odd as well, like chipmunk chatter. I'm sure it sounds like you're familiar a little bit with things in the bigfoot community, or maybe you're not. I guess I could be assuming that, But have you ever heard the Sierra Sounds at all? But what sounds? I don't guess. So now we do have Jefferson not far away from us, probably a twenty mile rive from where I live, that they have the some kind of Bigfoot Well I don't mean, I'm trying to think what they call it, some kind of big foot gathering where they talk about it, trade research things like that. I would be really interested if you were to look up the recording of the Sierra Sounds and just so that

18:36 I'm curious if it's similar to what you heard. So, the Sierra Sounds were recording made by Ron Moorehead in the nineteen seventies out in California and allegedly is recording of bigfoot talking back and forth with each other, and it almost sounds. Another name for it is samurai chatter. Once you hear it, you'll be like, this is probably the weirdest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm if you could after this, I would be really curious what your thoughts are, when you hear that, yeah, I'll definitely look it up and listen to it. How loud is that when you would hear that weird noises? Was it really loud or the sound of a normal chip?

19:18 The chatter of the howl? That chatter the only one time I heard it, it was I would say it was within fifty feet of me, so it was. It wasn't like it was a screech loud, but it was more of a just a low, normal kind of a tone that whatever's making in a normal tone it would make, not like it was distressed or anything like that. But since I've heard that, I've not heard it all since. But now the howl. The first time I heard the howl, now that was before both the people have one one neighbor that bought properly across the road and one neighbor that bought properly on the same side of my road that backs up to my fence line. Now before they got there, excuse me, I'd say the first two were I would say within one hundred yards or less, extremely loud, close enough that I went out the next day both times and looked around to see if I find any kind of they would answer, any kid, see what it was? I found nothing now the second three times i've heard it, it's been further down in the river bottom the creek bottoms down there, because, like I say, they cleared a lot of property, both of them did, and put homes there and stuff like that. Whatever it is has moved further back down in the creek bottoms, and since the hog population has d undered down, like since they've hunded them down, I haven't heard it since. I bet once you clear out that that food source. When you heard the howls, sometimes people can describe when they hear something like a howl. They'll see I could almost tell what the size of the creature was that was making the sound. Did you get a

20:51 feel as to how big this creature may have been that was making a howl sound? Or was it hard to gauge that? Oh? No, you could gas that pretty good. Because have you ever been in the woods and heard a bear growl or how or not how but growl or basically roar in the woods? Have you ever heard that? No, Okay, if you've ever heard that, anybody that's ever heard that, you can tell Or if you've ever heard a panther or a big cat of any kind a scream at you. You can tell the difference in the size of the pantherm size of the bear just by it. And I would say, whatever's making this how would probably be bigger than a good sized brown or grizzly bear. That would just be a guest. I don't know, but just listening to it, it's got a lot of it's got a lot of force behind it. It's pretty serious whatever it is. Sure, it's probably similar to like when you're at the zoo and you hear the lion roar and you're like, Okay, that's that Creature's a lot bigger than the otter. It's a pretty bad over there. Yeah, yeah, I can I know what that's like. Oh, that's wild. So you've mentioned that your neighbors are we're clearing some property, clearing some what out. Have you ever talked to your neighbors to ask them if they've ever experienced anything weird or noticed anything out of the ordinary.

22:11 They've both at different times come to me and asked me what it was the last two hous that I've heard, And I'm in and out all the time that it could be going on some more that I don't know about now. I'm down south of Houston right now, so I'm not up at the cabin. They could be happening more often than I know, but at both times, they've both at different times come to me and ask me, have you ever heard something sound strange? And I know what they're getting at, and I'd be like, what are you talking about? And said, now we heard this, how what is that? Is that like a big wolf or something. They've heard it and they can't figure out what it is either a matter of fact, Anthony, he has a lot of guns and stuff. He likes hunting things like that, and it disturbed him pretty good one night.

22:52 Everybody around there has heard it, but like me, nobody knows what it is and what's making it. Going back to the foot print that you saw in the hog area with the snake f you're to remember, do you remember any dimensions of how long the footprint probably was or yeah, we had laid a dollar bill on the ground by it, and the dollar bill was about the length of the hill was the dollar bill, So it was least the length of two maybe two and a half dollars bills placed Indian just based off of how the hill looks, based off how my heel looks, that would be a pretty good death of how big it was. But if you look at where the hill was and the way it was, if you walked up and you squatted down to pick something up and put it somewhere, it really looks like something squatted down right there and picked it up and set it up on the ledge where it was like it looked at it and set it up there. But I don't know, that's just yess. I couldn't tell you because I didn't have my cameras up to the game games up that night, so I don't know. And I do know we have honey bearers in that area because just north of me, oh what is about fifty miles up around the Clarksville area, things like that up in northeast Texas there you have a very large population of little small black bears and honey bears there, and we do have them migrating down. Matter of fact, over on the Lake of the Pines, one of the stores out there had an issue with trash being torn out of their dumpster, so they put a camera to figure out

24:22 what's getting the trash out of the dumpster, and they've got some really good video one of the little black bears going in there pulling a bag out, carrying and open trying to find something to eat in it. So I know we have him through my ear because where he's at where that was taken was south of where my property is, and then they're from a little bit further north of me, so I know they're coming through there. And then my son and I talked about that, and I told you to think it was the backfoot of a black bear, but you look at one of the largest black bears that we have in Texas Engage that the largest back foot based on that dollar bill laying by the hill that we took a picture of his whole back foot, it is the size of the heel of whatever this was of the black bear. So we ruled out pretty quickly with a black bear.

25:07 And that's some kind of way a Kodiak bearer down around here or something, which I don't think that case. We'd have a lot of cattle coming up missing or something. Right, and combine that with the knox you've been hearing and the howls, I would say it's probably not a bear that you're experiencing on your property for sure. Have you ever put out any audio recorders around your property? No, I haven't, but I've thought about several times, you know, talking to people in the area and seeing if I could, you know, go back on the properties and follow the creek bottoms down to the river and stuff like that, and just you know, see what I can come up with and things like that. I just you know, work and everything else. I haven't done it yet, but I will tell you something that's pretty interesting. Now. This is just me assuming, So I don't know for a fact that you know, I bought men in Duro motorcycle just to ride the back rooms up there, one of my cabin so it's just real nice take off out, me eat and everything. She's so beautiful up there. And three single time I go out, I see a guy.

26:06 He's on his four wheeler riding along and he's got cameras mounted all over his handlebars and he it goes out and sometimes I go down through there in my truck or something going somewhere. Every evening you see that man riding with the camera's on there. And I've wondered several times if he's seen or heard something and he's riding around looking to see if he can see or hear something again, because I've never seen anybody people that are like the Jackast millionaires. They're doing their flips and racing and they're doing all this kind of crazy stuff, and they got GoPros on, but this guy's got six of them mounted across his handlebars, aimed in every direction. And I wanted to stop him and talk to him and see what's going on, but I just left it alone. And I just always thought, I bet he's trying to figure out what's making that noise. That's a lot to have hooked up to your bike.

26:52 You're seeing six cameras exactly, unless he's like a YouTube guy. But either way, I'm not going to tell you what to do. Might be fun conversation if you run into them again, exactly. Oh man is wild. Do you have you heard anything going on recently from the Jefferson area or No, I've not heard anything there. We go out to Kattle Lake all the time because we like Cattos so much, and then Jefferson's such a neat, little older town with all the antique shops and stuff. Tony likes going to antique shops when we're up there and stuff. But we walked on the little walkway that goes out to the river back there, and there's a woman that's lived down there with her children, raised her children, done there for years and years. And we're talking to her one day back there about her little cabin and stuff, and she's never said nothing. I think a lot of people up there like the fact that they're known as a bigfoot area or whatever. Matter of fact, they got some big foot statues they'll put out and stuff, and that's just the theme of the little the town. What is it the Fall festival or whatever it is they have up there. Have not been to it yet, but today talk about it. And you'll hear some of them old timers talking when they're like, hey, now, listen, this is I don't know what they've seen. And I'm not saying they have or have not seen anything, but you can tell some of them have definitely seen something that they know something's there if they just but I'd be interested to know. I would really like to take about a month or so to where I could, because I like to hunt and camp and fish and everything else, and it would be really nice to take about a month or so and just get out in the woods and just get out there and stay out

28:23 there and figure out what's going on. Oh, I agree, And can you remind me how recent ago was the most or how long ago did anything happen that you think may be related to big foot on your property? About three months ago would have been the god off of rotten eggs, smell and things like that was about the last thing. And see that happens a lot of time out there. But like everything else, you can't see nothing. You just and of course it's very thick woods. And if you've ever been out in the woods hunting anywhere, you can have a mule deer twenty yards from you and he knows you're looking at him. He's standing a certain way.

29:07 You'll be looking at him and not seeing. If there's thick woods, any animal that's in the woods, all on the record basis knows how to hide. And I just can't see it. As a matter of fact, let's see, it was probably let's see, what is this, This is January, so it was probably back in maybe August, I think late August, first of September. My son and his girlfriend were out there and they heard the walking up close to the house, and I was out in the tool shed and she hollered out at me out there and said, hey, where are you at? And I said, I'm in the tool shed.

29:48 We're standing there looking at the oneow waving at her, and she said, somebody's behind the cabin. So I go up there. My son is in the back back there, and he's got the light out. Of course you've got the gun and you can hear it walking through the woods. Had a pretty good clip, but you could not see it. And then he did, Hey, let's head out there. Let's no, let's don't head out there. Whatever it is, it's heading away from us. Let's just let a head away from us. Leave it alone. Yeah, probably a wife try, but it's scared. Yeah, it's scared her bad enough. And every single person that's ever been out there has heard something. And I've had two people swear they'll never come back out there ever again, just from here to something walking around and scared them some bad. Have you ever heard any weird I'm just gonna throw some weird stuff out. Whistling or the noises that sound like a baby crying now down and not a whistle, but like the baby crying down in the bottom before my neighbor cleared all that property and put his cows out there and stuff. I've heard that sound a couple of times.

30:51 Almost sounds like a woman screaming, like she's definitely afraid or something. But what that is our big cats, right, So cats will sound that way. And I heard that one night, that scream out there one night, and then just about a minute later, you heard a pig squalling as hard as it could, so you know those cats. And then you heard one of the cats yell pretty loud. So the cats were down there, honey. Matter of fact, my neighbor, that's right on my fence row. They had a chicken pin and put in and they had chickens coming up and missing and everything. So put your roof over the top of it, because at least wire because we have eagles in there. We have hawks in the area and Kyoch will so everything else to get in there. And we do have big cats. So they put the wire over, and they spent a lot of time and money and done it really nicely. She put out a game cam aimed straight at her chicken pin and put a light with a censure on it motion center on it and when it went off. She's got very good pictures of that big cougar, and I'm thinking it's the male because you can't see well enough to see if it's smell or a female, but you can see how big they are on this big cougar. He's standing up on top of the pen looking down through there, like how am I going to get through here? And just behind it you can see the mama with the two cubs standing there. All four of them are just as clear as can be on that picture. So we have very large cats down there.

32:13 But the howl is definitely not those cats, because I've been in these Statexsas my whole life and fished on a lot of these different groups around here, like Big Sandy Creek for one, And if anybody knows these Texas knows that one very well. And you hear them cats down there all the time, and it is definitely not a cat. Just to just maybe ask you a different way. Nothing that sounds like a like an actual like a human baby cry. Nothing weird like that, right, No, Now you will hear something that sounds kind of like that, But then again, those big cats will make sounds like that, and I think the one they make those sounds, it's when they're honey trying to draw something closer to them. It's like coyotes will yelp and stuff. One will yelp like it'sd or something try to draw a pet, a dog or something out to it, and the others attack it when they have dinner. And so those cats will do that.

33:07 And here's another interesting thing. You set out there. Of course, I don't stay there all the time. I'm just there here and there some time. And one time I stayed out there for three months straight. And you always know when the large predators are in the area because I have tons of squirrels out there, birds at the wazoo, you got rabbits and everything else, all of the small game animals, And when the large predators are in the area, those things are gone. You won't see a bird, you won't see a squirrel, you won't see a rabbit, you won't see nothing. And it's just as quiet in the mornings when you wake up. There's no birds chirping, there's nothing making a sound when the large predators are not in the area. And I'm just assuming the big cats, all the wolves or whatever this is making a sound when they're in the area. You hear nothing when they're not in the area. I had a tin roof on the top of that cabin, and it sounds like they're running a relay race up there, the squirrels and I have a potha number. Once in a while he'll get on top of that roof in the daylight and he'll bask himself in the sun. And raccoons Galoretter of fact, we had five eleven baby raccoons this year that grew out there, and they're all over the porch, all over the top of the house, everything else. They're just everywhere out there.

34:22 But when the large predators in the area, then things are come. Oh, that absolutely makes sense. Speaking of weird noises, have you ever heard anything that sounds like a whoop, any whooping type noise in your area? No, Now, we have several large owls out there, and I hear the owls, but they are unmistakenly owls, and it's nothing like that. And of course you hear the hogs that they make, which was unmistakable. No, nothing like that. Any situations where it's like a really large rock is thrown towards the cabin or anywhere in your property, Like all of a sudden, a huge rock just gets thrown. Not a rock I've had.

35:04 I thought a stick hit the side of the house one night, But then again, I have large trees all around the cabin, and so I thought that that had fallen out of the tree and hit it. Didn't know for sure, But no rocks, and I've got large, I don't know, a rock all around up there. Obviously small too, but never anything like that. What type of trees do you have on your property? Every one of them? Pine tree, sweet gum, oak, pin oak, red oak, quote oaks. You game it. We've got them on dogwood. I've got every tree out there. Okay, gotcha. So you do have oak and like acorns and stuff like that, Oh gosh, yeah, tons of it. And see that's another thing. You hear them fall and hit the roof for the side of the house, all up the cabin all the time, or the side of the pool. Shit. Yeah, any a lot of different berries on your property too, No, not berries like blackberries, nothing like that. I don't now. I do have muskadine.

35:58 We have a lot of muskandine out there. They are very sweet when they are out, And that's something I haven't thought about. Used to as a kid, I remember all the mustadon vines we had around the old home place, which was right there in Wood County in East Texas, not far where I am now. They would be laying all over the ground. As they started wrapping, they'd fall off the tree and stuff I don't ever find, and until we're just talking about this, I don't never find anything on the ground now that could be the raccoons, the possums is called. I mean, there's a million things to be eating that, but I just don't. I mean, I've never found anything on the ground and something maybe to keep an eye out for, and there could on your property. Keep an eye out for anything that maybe looks like a shelter that's been made, or any weird trees that are broken a certain way, or anything that looks like it's broken. Well, it's like, how did that get broken by itself?

36:51 That's crazy. It's huge all right. Here you go along the spring. Of course, the creek goes up high a crakle meander and ass around and stuff like that, and it's about one part where it will split off and it makes a little island back there and goes to the back corner of the property. Now on the back corner of the property, just across on the farmer side, where there's a lot of trees and a whole lot of thick for USh is where we have a pack of coyotes that live in that general area. They stay out there all the time. But I had a point I was fixed to make, and I forgot what I was saying. I swear, what did you say, Tony, all the shelters and stuff like that, What do you talk about? No, there's no shelters, but deficient to tell you something about that? Oh you said you're talking about the broken Yeah, like broken stuff along the edge of that creek. Have you ever seen the way are the Indians in this country needs to go? Obviously they would break a tree over and break it back up straight, Actually not break it, just more bend it and everything kind of hold it there where it makes like an s almost absolutely, and then it will grow that way and that will mark their way through the territory. I have four of them trees along that creek that can't be more than about six inches around, so they're not old enough to be from back in that area. If it would have been looked like one hundred and two hundred year old tree or something, I could think, Okay, maybe somebody did that years ago, that these aren't that old. I would say maximum some of these trees there couldn't be more than twenty years old that are broke like that. And some of them

38:22 at the break is still down low where it was broke not too terribly long ago. Some of it's fifteen foot in the air where the tree's already grown and it's still broke, but it's that high up now, and it's definitely come straight up. It'll come straight over one way or the other and then both go straight back up. I mean we got probably five four six, Yeah, we're probably about four or six of them out there. That's really interesting, very interesting. Everybody comes out there, they're just this is a very interesting place up there. A while back, you'd mentioned where you had the slap on the outside of the cabin. Did anyone ever go after that happened. Did they go to the back of the cabin and look at the wall where they thought it may have been hit to see if you could see like a handprint or how high or anything like that my son went out there and he had a light and the gun, obviously, and he looked over.

39:15 He never found nothing. And I can track a nat across the desert in a sandstorm, and I've not found any thing out there that I can see. For example, when I was first building the thing, I had the cabin to where the walls were up, the windows weren't put in yet, the roof wooing on it was di ractored, but I had some plywood on the exture of the walls, and so I was staying down in the tent that night that we had about seventeen or nineteenth time, pretty large hogs that roamed around there and their herd, and they were coming through the property. And I went and got inside the cabin because it's up on steps, they can't get penny, and I had put my cot and I laid it in there. I thought, I'm just gonna stay the night in here. I'll be just fine. And earlier that next morning I heard the most got awful racket on the back porch. I thought, what in the world.

40:05 And I didn't even have the doors on the cabin yet, so I just had some plywood leaning across the bottom of it where you could step over to go in and out, because I didn't want something to just walk in there. And on the back porch was a little pig. It couldn't have been two months old, maybe very small, and the coyotes had chased it down there and trying to get it, and you know how they'll hunt in different different packs. The ones that were chasing it into an area where the other ones were coming back at it, and they were trying to get up on the tall part of the porch on the front side, but there were no stairs bill chips, so they couldn't get up there. So to this date I still got the claw marks on that where they were trying to claw their way up to get up there, and that's been there for almost four years now. But whatever hit the back of the cabin left no claw mark, It left no invention of any kind. It didn't leave the muddy of its hand or foot or anything on the side of caun. You just didn't see nothing. But then the interesting thing was there was no because I keep everything cleared away, so you know, if we get a fire or something, it didn't get right up against the edge, so there was no sticks or limbs or anything laying there. Luckily limb fell out of trade hit side of the house, outside of the cabin there, so there was nothing back there.

41:17 But there's so many leaves on the ground too, there was no chance for a footprint to be left. Man. That is says some weird stuff, sure, Chris, Man, I would say, continue to keep an ear out, keep an eye out, man. You could probably get some cool recordings, maybe from an audio record. I know you haven't heard a lot lately, but I just I appreciate you coming on Chris and chatting about what's going on over at it. Absolutely big Foot Springs. It sounds like a cool place. Please keep me up to date with if anything else weird happens here, which I'm pretty sure you will continue to experienced stuff for sure.

42:01 Oh yeah, whatever's there is, it's there permanently and it's I don't see it going anywhere whatever it is. But blocks say, I don't think it's got to hurt anything other than to buy out whatever species or whatever it is. Yeah, absolutely, Chris, thank you for chatting tonight. How you no problem. I'm appreciate you having me on here. You're at Bigfoot Society Art Goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

42:44 I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand and what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening