Bigfoot Springs of East Texas

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in the show notes in Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right,

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Big Faciety. I've got the privilege
of talking to a gentleman who contacted me

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from East Texas. His name is
Chris. How's it going tonight, Chris?

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Pretty good? How are you doing? Oh? I'm doing great,

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Chris. I can't even talk about
stuff that's coming up for twenty two twenty

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four. Man, it's gonna be
awesome. I got stuff going on,

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but I am beyond excited to talk
to you tonight. We've been trying to

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I think get this set up for
a little bit of time, and it

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just sounds very interesting. Without any
further ado, I'm just going to pass

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it right over to you, Chris, and feel free to share what you

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are experiencing in your area. Awesome. I bought this piece of property outside

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of Avenger about it's gone four years
ago. That's got a little spring fed

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creek through the middle of it with
some pretty good sized spring pools. Obviously,

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all the wildlife and the deers,
the big cats, everything else we've

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got out there. These are old
creeks, so they've been coming here for

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years and years. A whole bunch
of wildlife out there. And of course

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I'm from the East Texas, so
I've lived here in East Texas. I've

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hunted these woods my entire life.
I'm fifty three now, so I know

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all but everything we have out here. But since I've gotten this piece of

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property, I've never seen it,
but I have heard so many different things

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I can't tell you what they are. For example, one thing about this

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this property that I wanted to do. I wanted to when I got out

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there to build the cabin. Wanted
to do everything by hand, old school,

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so that it's what I tell people, I want to look like a

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Norman rock Wall picture when they come
down there. So that being said,

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I set me in ten up out
there and everything else. So while I'm

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working, I've got a place to
be. So a few nights of the

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week I would stay out there while
i'm clear and brush and things like this.

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And that's when I started noticing something
not normal. And what would happen

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would be the first thing I would
hear was being out there in East Texas

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like that. It's so quiet.
You can drop a Q tip on the

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floor and hear it. It's so
quiet at night out there. And I

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would hear a tree knock, and
I've never heard these anywhere in my life,

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and it was three knocks. You
can tell it's wood on the side

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of a tree. It's unmistakable,
that's what it is. And for the

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first night I heard it, and
I heard it, I thought the world

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did I just hear? And then
a few hours later I heard it again.

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I didn't think too much of it, to be honest, And a

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few nights went by, and then
I stayed out there again, and sure

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enough, every night that I would
stay out there, I would hear that

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and I never could pinpoint what it
would be. I would try to shine

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the light out, I'd try to
go out there the next day and look

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at it, things like this.
I cannot figure out what it was.

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This rock's along for I don't know
a month or two, and one night

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I'm out there and I hear a
how Now, when I first bought this

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property, there was only another house
at the end of this county road.

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And we're in the thick woods out
there now, and they're off the grid.

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I'm not really off the grid,
but they're way up by themselves and

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stuff, so there's nothing else around. But it's really good hunting land still.

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I have tons of deer and everything
else coming through there, big cats,

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podcats, you name it, all
coming up in there for that spring

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and pool. And so this one
particular night, I heard a howl.

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And I know we have all the
colodies obviously. I know we have the

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small red rulves, and we even
have some gray loafers that a lot of

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people don't think we have down here, which is wolf. But I know

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for a fact we do because I've
seen it, and I know what they

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sound like. I know what the
big cats sound like when they screaming.

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I know what the bobcat sounds like. I know what the screen how is

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all that everything sounds like. This
was a very deep, long, very

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vocal and loud how with almost a
growl sound in it. And I've never

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heard that in my life. I
listened to it, and I just when

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it started, I sat straight up, and then I listened and listen until

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it quit. Then I listen for
anything else. I don't hear anything else

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that was new. So this rocked
on about five months. While I'm building

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the cabin. Different times i'd be
out there at night, I'd hear these

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things. And I've heard that how
probably four times now now over the period

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of almost four years that I live
out here. We used to have a

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very large hog population out there,
but the county of the state one or

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two had spent some money to try
to get the population down, so they

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hired some hunters to come in and
take the hogs out, and they're down.

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They took about eighty percent of the
night, I would say, of

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that general area. So since the
hog population dropped, I've noticed two things.

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I've not heard the howl anymore,
I've not heard the tree knock anymore,

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And I've not been seeing the big
cats anymore either. Obviously they were

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coming up using that as a food
source. Whatever this is now. During

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all this time, you could hear
at times, we could be four or

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five of us sitting out on the
porch of the cabin. I forgot it

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that we can be sitting out there
just having a good time talking, listening

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to music or whatever, and you
can hear something walking close by, and

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we'll turn everything off and listen.
You can definitely hear, and it's a

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large bipedal like a human walking.
And then when we all try to get

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real quieted and get quiet and we'd
talk a little bit and still listen,

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and you can hear it walk around
with it. You can shine the light

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all you want all that long.
I don't care what kind of light.

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You just never can see anything.
And this happens on a pre record basis.

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I'm out about working in different areas
of the country all the time.

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My son and friends or stuff will
go up to the cabin and things like

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that, and everybody that's ever been
there has heard this. Matter of fact,

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I've got people that refuse to go
back to the cabin now because they

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hear that walking around out there and
they can't figure out what it is.

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My son is in there one night
and he's got the little fire going and

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he's sitting in the little living room
there talking on the phone to his girlfriend

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and actually has her on a speakerphone, and then all of a sudden,

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you hear something really loud. He
said, something really loud slapped the back

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corner of the cabin, real loud, and it's loud that when his girlfriend

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heard it, she said, what
was that. He said, I don't

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know. Something hit the cabin.
So then he thanks, wait a minute,

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dad's here trying to pull a trick
on me or something. So he

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calls me, hey, where are
you at. I was in I think

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Wisconsin at the time or Minnesota at
the time, and he says, definitely

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wasn't used. Something hits the back
corner of the house. He goes out

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of with the gun, the light
and everything. He never can see anything.

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He can hear a bipedal walk after
a little while, but not right

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away. He didn't hear it,
so he never could pinpoint what it was.

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So then we got to thinking,
Okay, we've got somebody sneaking down

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here. Because it's a new place
somebody's coming down here, probably didn't know

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you were here. Maybe they're gonna
try to break in still gun or whatever.

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So we started really watching for that
kind of thing. And a human

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I don't know how to say this
politely, but they're not real smart if

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they're a crook again with so they're
gonna walk through saying der mud something,

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They're gonna leave tracks, they're gonna
leave the trace of some kind. Well,

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we never got a trace of any
kind. And to get into that

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property the way it is because I
left it, there would it except for

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just to right the near area around
it, just enough of a firebreak around

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it and things like that, you
would have to go. If you're going

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to try to come in there at
night, there's no way you're going to

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walk through these woods without just getting
tangled up and dines and briars and everything

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else. You're gonna have a light
and you're gonna get tore up and hurt.

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There is no evidence of anybody coming
through brush or anything around the surroundings

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of it. And then every other
way you have to come in, there's

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area you will cross sand or mud
or something. We have no footprints or

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anything out there. So it's not
a person coming down there messing with us.

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We rolled that out pretty quick.
And besides that, nothing was ever

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locked up and nothing ever stolen.
We've got steel chainsaws and things like that

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setting out unlocked, and if somebody
would have been coming down there, then

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they would have picked that up and
run off of it. Nothing come up

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missing, so it's not a person
coming down there. And then at times

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you can be sitting out there and
this happened once. The last time,

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I'm about i'd say about three months
ago, my son and I were sitting

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on the porch talking. We both
came up there about the same time we

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were sitting out there just talking.
It just got good and dark, and

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the god awful list almost a rotten
egg, wet dogs smell you've ever smelled,

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all of a sudden drifts through there, and I'm looking at my son,

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what in the world is this?
And then within a minute that smell

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just drifts on off. There's no
wind blowing. So it wasn't like there's

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people near me now that have bought
property near me now, and that It's

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not like that there was their septic
system or something that you got to the

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smell of that or something because there's
no wind at all. Now, this

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has happened several times. And one
other thing. I will say that since

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the people bought the sixty acres across
the road from me, they cleared out

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a lot of the timber and made
a lot of pasture out there. He's

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got a few cows and a horse
and stuff like that, and he keeps

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out there. And since that has
happened and the cog population down, I've

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not been hearing how But I tell
you one thing that was very interesting that

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happened. My grandson comes out there
and stuff. I'm really keep an eye

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on that creek. Make sure there's
no snake on things like that. If

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I know he's coming out there,
I'll check it all out and things like

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that real good. And this particular
day, I find a pretty good size

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probably about it for and a half
with water mooksking, and so I shot

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it and killed it, and I
was working, so I just took a

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rake and tossed it up on the
far bank for right now while I was

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finishing the work I was doing.
And I got done with it and then

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went back over there, and of
course it's dead shut out with twelve games,

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has no head on. It can't
crawl around this five or six hours

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later. And the reason I'm telling
you that is because so later when I

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tell you what ficksing to happen,
you'll know that snake didn't move on the

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song, just from its muscles.
But I went back over there and I

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took the rake, and I pick
it up, and I cared to the

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back of the prop and there's a
place back there where the hogs would get

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down and wallowing the mud and the
summertime and things like that to get them

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weft to cool them off and things
like that, and then they would scrape

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on the tree to get that stuff
cleaned off of them. So I tossed

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that snake down in there close to
where that mud pit was that since they

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hadn't been in there in the little
bit it was dry, So I tossed

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it over in there. Now that
thing landed upside down in a muddy area,

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just like a little one foot by
one foot little money patch than it

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in. And then pretty much the
leaves it all falling around here there and

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everywhere. The next day, my
son and I said, let's go back

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there and see if the hogs came
back and ate that snake. So we

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come back there and the snake is
not there, so we thought the hogs

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got it, and we get to
look around, but there's no evidence of

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hogs anywhere, and then we see
the snake. It's three feet from where

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we dropped it, and you can
still see the indention in the mud where

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it laid upside down in the mud. Now it's about three feet away,

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is sitting right side up on the
little ledge, almost like it crawled there.

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But I shot it with a twelve
gage with bucks, and it laid

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in one spot for about six hours
before I took it back there and threw

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it down, So that wasn't muscle
contraction or anything caused the snake. To

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me, The interesting thing was in
that mud close to where that snake lay,

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you can still see the scales on
the top side of the snake does

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upside down. You can see it
looked like a barefoot print. In other

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words, like if you didn't have
your shoes on, you step in the

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mud, your heel and part of
the left side or the right side of

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your foot, either with their left
foot or right foot, you can see

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that invention in the mud. Of
course, the toe area was overleaf so

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you couldn't see any of the toe
marks or anything. And I asked my

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son, we're the only to that, So did you come back here earlier

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or something of that shoes on?
No, I ain't been out here about

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my shoes on for no reason.
We got a heelprint in there, and

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it's not really large, but it's
definitely a heelprint in half of a foot,

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and so we got pictures of that
and everything because we thought, what

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any world, I don't even know
what to think, but I get us.

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Over the entire period of time,
we've probably had a total of twenty

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run ins with whatever's making these sounds, as far as hearing the footsteps,

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the walking, the smells. Say, the how I've heard four times,

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and each time I hear it,
I stopped that still and I listened long

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and hard at that how. And
because first time I heard it, I

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thought, let me try to figure
out where it came from. And then

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after I realized, this is something
I don't know what is, and I

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started really trying to listen to it
so I know it if I hear it

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again. And so anyway, it
just this, I've never seen at all

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whatever's making this sound. But we
definitely have something in those woods that's different,

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that's not I was fixing to say, not native these Texas, but

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it could very well be make native
these Texes. I don't know. But

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and this is one thing here that's
most people, have you ever seen a

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wolf in the wild? And most
of everybody you asked will tell you,

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yeah, I know wolves exist,
but no, I've never seen one.

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Never got a wolf on a trail
camp either. You get cadvities on a

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trail camp all the time, but
you never get a wolf on a trail

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camp hardly ever, because they're very
keen and very smart. So my thing

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is, if there's a wolves out
there that I know for a factor there,

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and you can talk to Texas Park
from Wildlife Vision and they'll tell you

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for a fact they're there as well, and you've never seen them, doesn't

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mean they're not there. They're still
there. So we have something that's here

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that's very familiar with the woods.
And I know, I don't know what

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to say. I don't know what
to call it. As a thing.

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My little property is called big Foot
Springs because we got all them springs out

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there. And then my grandson and
he comes up there, he tells me,

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I'm I'm gonna set big foot traps. So I don't know if he's

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ever set a big foot trap and
on, but if I've ever disappeared,

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y'all, come look out there.
I might be in a big foot trap

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somewhere that he's made. But there's
something out there. And here's the thing

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about it. I've been up in
Colorado before and I've encountered Grizzly Bear up

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there or brown bear brother at a
pretty close distance. And before I ever

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saw it, my senses knew it
was there. My hair on the back

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of my neck stood up, and
my adrenaline starts pumping. And I've never

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seen it, never heard it,
but I knew it was there, and

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I knew it was in trouble.
I knew it needed to get out of

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there. My dad spent the last
twenty three years of his life in Lincoln,

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Maine, up on a mountaintop.
So I got up there one time

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and I encountered the bull moose and
the same thing. Before I ever saw

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that bull moose and knew he was
there, same thing, my senses knew

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he was there. I knew I
was in trouble. But whatever this is,

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I don't feel threatened in any kind
of way. There's no worry of

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my hair on the back of my
neck, don't stand up. There's no

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worry. Am I going to be
attacked or anything like that. I've got

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a bigter fear of the hogs than
whatever whatever this is. I don't know.

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It's pretty I'd like to know what
it is. I put out game

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cans, and I've caught everything under
the sun on my game cans, everything

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else except whatever this is. I
walked out the back door of that cabin

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going to the smoker, which is
fifteen feet away from the back door,

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twenty feet away from the back door, and just on the other side of

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the smoker stands one of them on
my pampers. And she's standing there looking

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straight at me broadside, twitching her
tail. And I knew not to get

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near her. I knew there would
be danger with her if I got there,

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but I wasn't too worried about her. But whatever this is, it's

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definitely different. I don't see it
to be a harm harmful to me in

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any kind of way, unlike everybody
else. I'd like to know what it

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is. I'd like to see it
sometime to figure it out. No,

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that is, you're really having some
interesting things going on that property. You'd

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sent me a write up of what
you're experiencing earlier, and I just want

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to make sure. Are there any
other things that you've been hearing that are

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out of the ordinary besides howls.
I've heard the howls. I've heard the

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tree knocks, and you know how
when the deer bleats that little sound it

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makes. I've heard something like that. And I do have several those that

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bring their farms down every year,
and so I know what they sound like

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when they're communicator back and forth doing
what they do in the buck, even

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when he makes the sounds he makes. But there is another sound that I

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heard one day that I put off
as probably squirrels because I couldn't I didn't

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hear long enough to be able to
get a good enough, you know,

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lock on it to really tell what
it is. But it's almost like a

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I don't even know how to describe
it. Have you ever heard chipmunks chattering

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or squirrel chattering and stuff and the
sounds that they make. It's almost like

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that it was a knight time and
that was pretty odd as well, like

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chipmunk chatter. I'm sure it sounds
like you're familiar a little bit with things

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in the bigfoot community, or maybe
you're not. I guess I could be

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assuming that, But have you ever
heard the Sierra Sounds at all? But

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what sounds? I don't guess.
So now we do have Jefferson not far

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away from us, probably a twenty
mile rive from where I live, that

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they have the some kind of Bigfoot
Well I don't mean, I'm trying to

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think what they call it, some
kind of big foot gathering where they talk

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about it, trade research things like
that. I would be really interested if

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you were to look up the recording
of the Sierra Sounds and just so that

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I'm curious if it's similar to what
you heard. So, the Sierra Sounds

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were recording made by Ron Moorehead in
the nineteen seventies out in California and allegedly

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is recording of bigfoot talking back and
forth with each other, and it almost

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sounds. Another name for it is
samurai chatter. Once you hear it,

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you'll be like, this is probably
the weirdest thing I've ever heard in my

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life. I'm if you could after
this, I would be really curious what

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your thoughts are, when you hear
that, yeah, I'll definitely look it

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up and listen to it. How
loud is that when you would hear that

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weird noises? Was it really loud
or the sound of a normal chip?

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The chatter of the howl? That
chatter the only one time I heard it,

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it was I would say it was
within fifty feet of me, so

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it was. It wasn't like it
was a screech loud, but it was

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more of a just a low,
normal kind of a tone that whatever's making

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in a normal tone it would make, not like it was distressed or anything

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like that. But since I've heard
that, I've not heard it all since.

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But now the howl. The first
time I heard the howl, now

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that was before both the people have
one one neighbor that bought properly across the

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road and one neighbor that bought properly
on the same side of my road that

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backs up to my fence line.
Now before they got there, excuse me,

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I'd say the first two were I
would say within one hundred yards or

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less, extremely loud, close enough
that I went out the next day both

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times and looked around to see if
I find any kind of they would answer,

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any kid, see what it was? I found nothing now the second

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three times i've heard it, it's
been further down in the river bottom the

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creek bottoms down there, because,
like I say, they cleared a lot

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of property, both of them did, and put homes there and stuff like

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that. Whatever it is has moved
further back down in the creek bottoms,

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and since the hog population has d
undered down, like since they've hunded them

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down, I haven't heard it since. I bet once you clear out that

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that food source. When you heard
the howls, sometimes people can describe when

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they hear something like a howl.
They'll see I could almost tell what the

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size of the creature was that was
making the sound. Did you get a

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feel as to how big this creature
may have been that was making a howl

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sound? Or was it hard to
gauge that? Oh? No, you

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could gas that pretty good. Because
have you ever been in the woods and

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heard a bear growl or how or
not how but growl or basically roar in

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the woods? Have you ever heard
that? No, Okay, if you've

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ever heard that, anybody that's ever
heard that, you can tell Or if

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you've ever heard a panther or a
big cat of any kind a scream at

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you. You can tell the difference
in the size of the pantherm size of

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the bear just by it. And
I would say, whatever's making this how

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would probably be bigger than a good
sized brown or grizzly bear. That would

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just be a guest. I don't
know, but just listening to it,

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it's got a lot of it's got
a lot of force behind it. It's

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pretty serious whatever it is. Sure, it's probably similar to like when you're

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at the zoo and you hear the
lion roar and you're like, Okay,

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that's that Creature's a lot bigger than
the otter. It's a pretty bad over

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there. Yeah, yeah, I
can I know what that's like. Oh,

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that's wild. So you've mentioned that
your neighbors are we're clearing some property,

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clearing some what out. Have you
ever talked to your neighbors to ask

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them if they've ever experienced anything weird
or noticed anything out of the ordinary.

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They've both at different times come to
me and asked me what it was the

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last two hous that I've heard,
And I'm in and out all the time

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that it could be going on some
more that I don't know about now.

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I'm down south of Houston right now, so I'm not up at the cabin.

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They could be happening more often than
I know, but at both times,

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they've both at different times come to
me and ask me, have you

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ever heard something sound strange? And
I know what they're getting at, and

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I'd be like, what are you
talking about? And said, now we

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heard this, how what is that? Is that like a big wolf or

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something. They've heard it and they
can't figure out what it is either a

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matter of fact, Anthony, he
has a lot of guns and stuff.

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He likes hunting things like that,
and it disturbed him pretty good one night.

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Everybody around there has heard it,
but like me, nobody knows what

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it is and what's making it.
Going back to the foot print that you

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saw in the hog area with the
snake f you're to remember, do you

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remember any dimensions of how long the
footprint probably was or yeah, we had

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laid a dollar bill on the ground
by it, and the dollar bill was

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about the length of the hill was
the dollar bill, So it was least

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the length of two maybe two and
a half dollars bills placed Indian just based

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off of how the hill looks,
based off how my heel looks, that

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would be a pretty good death of
how big it was. But if you

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look at where the hill was and
the way it was, if you walked

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up and you squatted down to pick
something up and put it somewhere, it

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really looks like something squatted down right
there and picked it up and set it

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up on the ledge where it was
like it looked at it and set it

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up there. But I don't know, that's just yess. I couldn't tell

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you because I didn't have my cameras
up to the game games up that night,

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so I don't know. And I
do know we have honey bearers in

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that area because just north of me, oh what is about fifty miles up

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around the Clarksville area, things like
that up in northeast Texas there you have

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a very large population of little small
black bears and honey bears there, and

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we do have them migrating down.
Matter of fact, over on the Lake

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of the Pines, one of the
stores out there had an issue with trash

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being torn out of their dumpster,
so they put a camera to figure out

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what's getting the trash out of the
dumpster, and they've got some really good

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video one of the little black bears
going in there pulling a bag out,

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carrying and open trying to find something
to eat in it. So I know

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we have him through my ear because
where he's at where that was taken was

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south of where my property is,
and then they're from a little bit further

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north of me, so I know
they're coming through there. And then my

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son and I talked about that,
and I told you to think it was

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the backfoot of a black bear,
but you look at one of the largest

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black bears that we have in Texas
Engage that the largest back foot based on

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that dollar bill laying by the hill
that we took a picture of his whole

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back foot, it is the size
of the heel of whatever this was of

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the black bear. So we ruled
out pretty quickly with a black bear.

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And that's some kind of way a
Kodiak bearer down around here or something,

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which I don't think that case.
We'd have a lot of cattle coming up

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missing or something. Right, and
combine that with the knox you've been hearing

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and the howls, I would say
it's probably not a bear that you're experiencing

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on your property for sure. Have
you ever put out any audio recorders around

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your property? No, I haven't, but I've thought about several times,

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you know, talking to people in
the area and seeing if I could,

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you know, go back on the
properties and follow the creek bottoms down to

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the river and stuff like that,
and just you know, see what I

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can come up with and things like
that. I just you know, work

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and everything else. I haven't done
it yet, but I will tell you

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something that's pretty interesting. Now.
This is just me assuming, So I

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don't know for a fact that you
know, I bought men in Duro motorcycle

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just to ride the back rooms up
there, one of my cabin so it's

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just real nice take off out,
me eat and everything. She's so beautiful

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up there. And three single time
I go out, I see a guy.

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He's on his four wheeler riding along
and he's got cameras mounted all over

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his handlebars and he it goes out
and sometimes I go down through there in

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my truck or something going somewhere.
Every evening you see that man riding with

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the camera's on there. And I've
wondered several times if he's seen or heard

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something and he's riding around looking to
see if he can see or hear something

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again, because I've never seen anybody
people that are like the Jackast millionaires.

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They're doing their flips and racing and
they're doing all this kind of crazy stuff,

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and they got GoPros on, but
this guy's got six of them mounted

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across his handlebars, aimed in every
direction. And I wanted to stop him

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and talk to him and see what's
going on, but I just left it

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alone. And I just always thought, I bet he's trying to figure out

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what's making that noise. That's a
lot to have hooked up to your bike.

407
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.559
You're seeing six cameras exactly, unless
he's like a YouTube guy. But

408
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.720
either way, I'm not going to
tell you what to do. Might be

409
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:04.240
fun conversation if you run into them
again, exactly. Oh man is wild.

410
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:10.960
Do you have you heard anything going
on recently from the Jefferson area or

411
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.799
No, I've not heard anything there. We go out to Kattle Lake all

412
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.279
the time because we like Cattos so
much, and then Jefferson's such a neat,

413
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.359
little older town with all the antique
shops and stuff. Tony likes going

414
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.319
to antique shops when we're up there
and stuff. But we walked on the

415
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.599
little walkway that goes out to the
river back there, and there's a woman

416
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.279
that's lived down there with her children, raised her children, done there for

417
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:34.000
years and years. And we're talking
to her one day back there about her

418
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.839
little cabin and stuff, and she's
never said nothing. I think a lot

419
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.039
of people up there like the fact
that they're known as a bigfoot area or

420
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.039
whatever. Matter of fact, they
got some big foot statues they'll put out

421
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.799
and stuff, and that's just the
theme of the little the town. What

422
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:53.720
is it the Fall festival or whatever
it is they have up there. Have

423
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.680
not been to it yet, but
today talk about it. And you'll hear

424
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.319
some of them old timers talking when
they're like, hey, now, listen,

425
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.039
this is I don't know what they've
seen. And I'm not saying they

426
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.599
have or have not seen anything,
but you can tell some of them have

427
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:11.279
definitely seen something that they know something's
there if they just but I'd be interested

428
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.799
to know. I would really like
to take about a month or so to

429
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.880
where I could, because I like
to hunt and camp and fish and everything

430
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.279
else, and it would be really
nice to take about a month or so

431
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.559
and just get out in the woods
and just get out there and stay out

432
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:30.200
there and figure out what's going on. Oh, I agree, And can

433
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:37.200
you remind me how recent ago was
the most or how long ago did anything

434
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.960
happen that you think may be related
to big foot on your property? About

435
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.519
three months ago would have been the
god off of rotten eggs, smell and

436
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.480
things like that was about the last
thing. And see that happens a lot

437
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:56.680
of time out there. But like
everything else, you can't see nothing.

438
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.119
You just and of course it's very
thick woods. And if you've ever been

439
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.400
out in the woods hunting anywhere,
you can have a mule deer twenty yards

440
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.519
from you and he knows you're looking
at him. He's standing a certain way.

441
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.480
You'll be looking at him and not
seeing. If there's thick woods,

442
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.799
any animal that's in the woods,
all on the record basis knows how to

443
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.559
hide. And I just can't see
it. As a matter of fact,

444
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.000
let's see, it was probably let's
see, what is this, This is

445
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:29.839
January, so it was probably back
in maybe August, I think late August,

446
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:36.960
first of September. My son and
his girlfriend were out there and they

447
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.119
heard the walking up close to the
house, and I was out in the

448
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.359
tool shed and she hollered out at
me out there and said, hey,

449
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.559
where are you at? And I
said, I'm in the tool shed.

450
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.799
We're standing there looking at the oneow
waving at her, and she said,

451
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.640
somebody's behind the cabin. So I
go up there. My son is in

452
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.559
the back back there, and he's
got the light out. Of course you've

453
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.839
got the gun and you can hear
it walking through the woods. Had a

454
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.319
pretty good clip, but you could
not see it. And then he did,

455
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.839
Hey, let's head out there.
Let's no, let's don't head out

456
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.000
there. Whatever it is, it's
heading away from us. Let's just let

457
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.640
a head away from us. Leave
it alone. Yeah, probably a wife

458
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.640
try, but it's scared. Yeah, it's scared her bad enough. And

459
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.400
every single person that's ever been out
there has heard something. And I've had

460
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.559
two people swear they'll never come back
out there ever again, just from here

461
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:32.599
to something walking around and scared them
some bad. Have you ever heard any

462
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:37.680
weird I'm just gonna throw some weird
stuff out. Whistling or the noises that

463
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.559
sound like a baby crying now down
and not a whistle, but like the

464
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:47.640
baby crying down in the bottom before
my neighbor cleared all that property and put

465
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.720
his cows out there and stuff.
I've heard that sound a couple of times.

466
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.799
Almost sounds like a woman screaming,
like she's definitely afraid or something.

467
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.720
But what that is our big cats, right, So cats will sound that

468
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.680
way. And I heard that one
night, that scream out there one night,

469
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.839
and then just about a minute later, you heard a pig squalling as

470
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.400
hard as it could, so you
know those cats. And then you heard

471
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.160
one of the cats yell pretty loud. So the cats were down there,

472
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.440
honey. Matter of fact, my
neighbor, that's right on my fence row.

473
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.480
They had a chicken pin and put
in and they had chickens coming up

474
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:23.759
and missing and everything. So put
your roof over the top of it,

475
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.759
because at least wire because we have
eagles in there. We have hawks in

476
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.680
the area and Kyoch will so everything
else to get in there. And we

477
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.240
do have big cats. So they
put the wire over, and they spent

478
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.799
a lot of time and money and
done it really nicely. She put out

479
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:44.000
a game cam aimed straight at her
chicken pin and put a light with a

480
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.319
censure on it motion center on it
and when it went off. She's got

481
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.559
very good pictures of that big cougar, and I'm thinking it's the male because

482
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.279
you can't see well enough to see
if it's smell or a female, but

483
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.000
you can see how big they are
on this big cougar. He's standing up

484
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.680
on top of the pen looking down
through there, like how am I going

485
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.319
to get through here? And just
behind it you can see the mama with

486
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.319
the two cubs standing there. All
four of them are just as clear as

487
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.039
can be on that picture. So
we have very large cats down there.

488
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.160
But the howl is definitely not those
cats, because I've been in these Statexsas

489
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.839
my whole life and fished on a
lot of these different groups around here,

490
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.839
like Big Sandy Creek for one,
And if anybody knows these Texas knows that

491
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.079
one very well. And you hear
them cats down there all the time,

492
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.920
and it is definitely not a cat. Just to just maybe ask you a

493
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:37.720
different way. Nothing that sounds like
a like an actual like a human baby

494
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.680
cry. Nothing weird like that,
right, No, Now you will hear

495
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:49.519
something that sounds kind of like that, But then again, those big cats

496
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.440
will make sounds like that, and
I think the one they make those sounds,

497
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.240
it's when they're honey trying to draw
something closer to them. It's like

498
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.839
coyotes will yelp and stuff. One
will yelp like it'sd or something try to

499
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.160
draw a pet, a dog or
something out to it, and the others

500
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.240
attack it when they have dinner.
And so those cats will do that.

501
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.519
And here's another interesting thing. You
set out there. Of course, I

502
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.599
don't stay there all the time.
I'm just there here and there some time.

503
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.240
And one time I stayed out there
for three months straight. And you

504
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.759
always know when the large predators are
in the area because I have tons of

505
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:30.000
squirrels out there, birds at the
wazoo, you got rabbits and everything else,

506
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.599
all of the small game animals,
And when the large predators are in

507
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.079
the area, those things are gone. You won't see a bird, you

508
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.279
won't see a squirrel, you won't
see a rabbit, you won't see nothing.

509
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.400
And it's just as quiet in the
mornings when you wake up. There's

510
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:49.799
no birds chirping, there's nothing making
a sound when the large predators are not

511
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.079
in the area. And I'm just
assuming the big cats, all the wolves

512
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:58.359
or whatever this is making a sound
when they're in the area. You hear

513
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.440
nothing when they're not in the area. I had a tin roof on the

514
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.799
top of that cabin, and it
sounds like they're running a relay race up

515
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.799
there, the squirrels and I have
a potha number. Once in a while

516
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.599
he'll get on top of that roof
in the daylight and he'll bask himself in

517
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:15.000
the sun. And raccoons Galoretter of
fact, we had five eleven baby raccoons

518
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.320
this year that grew out there,
and they're all over the porch, all

519
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.480
over the top of the house,
everything else. They're just everywhere out there.

520
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.519
But when the large predators in the
area, then things are come.

521
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.800
Oh, that absolutely makes sense.
Speaking of weird noises, have you ever

522
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.000
heard anything that sounds like a whoop, any whooping type noise in your area?

523
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.039
No, Now, we have several
large owls out there, and I

524
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:44.679
hear the owls, but they are
unmistakenly owls, and it's nothing like that.

525
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.400
And of course you hear the hogs
that they make, which was unmistakable.

526
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.199
No, nothing like that. Any
situations where it's like a really large

527
00:34:53.360 --> 00:35:00.320
rock is thrown towards the cabin or
anywhere in your property, Like all of

528
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.000
a sudden, a huge rock just
gets thrown. Not a rock I've had.

529
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.199
I thought a stick hit the side
of the house one night, But

530
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.880
then again, I have large trees
all around the cabin, and so I

531
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.440
thought that that had fallen out of
the tree and hit it. Didn't know

532
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.519
for sure, But no rocks,
and I've got large, I don't know,

533
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.079
a rock all around up there.
Obviously small too, but never anything

534
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.199
like that. What type of trees
do you have on your property? Every

535
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.320
one of them? Pine tree,
sweet gum, oak, pin oak,

536
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.079
red oak, quote oaks. You
game it. We've got them on dogwood.

537
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.519
I've got every tree out there.
Okay, gotcha. So you do

538
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.480
have oak and like acorns and stuff
like that, Oh gosh, yeah,

539
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.159
tons of it. And see that's
another thing. You hear them fall and

540
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:45.800
hit the roof for the side of
the house, all up the cabin all

541
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.079
the time, or the side of
the pool. Shit. Yeah, any

542
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.599
a lot of different berries on your
property too, No, not berries like

543
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.079
blackberries, nothing like that. I
don't now. I do have muskadine.

544
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.000
We have a lot of muskandine out
there. They are very sweet when they

545
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.800
are out, And that's something I
haven't thought about. Used to as a

546
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.000
kid, I remember all the mustadon
vines we had around the old home place,

547
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.519
which was right there in Wood County
in East Texas, not far where

548
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.000
I am now. They would be
laying all over the ground. As they

549
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.840
started wrapping, they'd fall off the
tree and stuff I don't ever find,

550
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.760
and until we're just talking about this, I don't never find anything on the

551
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.639
ground now that could be the raccoons, the possums is called. I mean,

552
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.039
there's a million things to be eating
that, but I just don't.

553
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.119
I mean, I've never found anything
on the ground and something maybe to keep

554
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.920
an eye out for, and there
could on your property. Keep an eye

555
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.480
out for anything that maybe looks like
a shelter that's been made, or any

556
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.840
weird trees that are broken a certain
way, or anything that looks like it's

557
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.960
broken. Well, it's like,
how did that get broken by itself?

558
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.320
That's crazy. It's huge all right. Here you go along the spring.

559
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.119
Of course, the creek goes up
high a crakle meander and ass around and

560
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.519
stuff like that, and it's about
one part where it will split off and

561
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.239
it makes a little island back there
and goes to the back corner of the

562
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.920
property. Now on the back corner
of the property, just across on the

563
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.119
farmer side, where there's a lot
of trees and a whole lot of thick

564
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.519
for USh is where we have a
pack of coyotes that live in that general

565
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.760
area. They stay out there all
the time. But I had a point

566
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.920
I was fixed to make, and
I forgot what I was saying. I

567
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.400
swear, what did you say,
Tony, all the shelters and stuff like

568
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.159
that, What do you talk about? No, there's no shelters, but

569
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.760
deficient to tell you something about that? Oh you said you're talking about the

570
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.000
broken Yeah, like broken stuff along
the edge of that creek. Have you

571
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.599
ever seen the way are the Indians
in this country needs to go? Obviously

572
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.639
they would break a tree over and
break it back up straight, Actually not

573
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.639
break it, just more bend it
and everything kind of hold it there where

574
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.119
it makes like an s almost absolutely, and then it will grow that way

575
00:37:53.199 --> 00:38:00.239
and that will mark their way through
the territory. I have four of them

576
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:06.119
trees along that creek that can't be
more than about six inches around, so

577
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.239
they're not old enough to be from
back in that area. If it would

578
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.599
have been looked like one hundred and
two hundred year old tree or something,

579
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.920
I could think, Okay, maybe
somebody did that years ago, that these

580
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.199
aren't that old. I would say
maximum some of these trees there couldn't be

581
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.159
more than twenty years old that are
broke like that. And some of them

582
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:27.559
at the break is still down low
where it was broke not too terribly long

583
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.760
ago. Some of it's fifteen foot
in the air where the tree's already grown

584
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.239
and it's still broke, but it's
that high up now, and it's definitely

585
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.880
come straight up. It'll come straight
over one way or the other and then

586
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.239
both go straight back up. I
mean we got probably five four six,

587
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.400
Yeah, we're probably about four or
six of them out there. That's really

588
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.840
interesting, very interesting. Everybody comes
out there, they're just this is a

589
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.199
very interesting place up there. A
while back, you'd mentioned where you had

590
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.239
the slap on the outside of the
cabin. Did anyone ever go after that

591
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.239
happened. Did they go to the
back of the cabin and look at the

592
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.159
wall where they thought it may have
been hit to see if you could see

593
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.719
like a handprint or how high or
anything like that my son went out there

594
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.480
and he had a light and the
gun, obviously, and he looked over.

595
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.119
He never found nothing. And I
can track a nat across the desert

596
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.480
in a sandstorm, and I've not
found any thing out there that I can

597
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.880
see. For example, when I
was first building the thing, I had

598
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.960
the cabin to where the walls were
up, the windows weren't put in yet,

599
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.320
the roof wooing on it was di
ractored, but I had some plywood

600
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.159
on the exture of the walls,
and so I was staying down in the

601
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.639
tent that night that we had about
seventeen or nineteenth time, pretty large hogs

602
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.000
that roamed around there and their herd, and they were coming through the property.

603
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.800
And I went and got inside the
cabin because it's up on steps,

604
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.639
they can't get penny, and I
had put my cot and I laid it

605
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.360
in there. I thought, I'm
just gonna stay the night in here.

606
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:01.920
I'll be just fine. And earlier
that next morning I heard the most got

607
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.679
awful racket on the back porch.
I thought, what in the world.

608
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.400
And I didn't even have the doors
on the cabin yet, so I just

609
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.760
had some plywood leaning across the bottom
of it where you could step over to

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go in and out, because I
didn't want something to just walk in there.

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And on the back porch was a
little pig. It couldn't have been

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two months old, maybe very small, and the coyotes had chased it down

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there and trying to get it,
and you know how they'll hunt in different

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different packs. The ones that were
chasing it into an area where the other

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ones were coming back at it,
and they were trying to get up on

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the tall part of the porch on
the front side, but there were no

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stairs bill chips, so they couldn't
get up there. So to this date

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I still got the claw marks on
that where they were trying to claw their

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way up to get up there,
and that's been there for almost four years

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now. But whatever hit the back
of the cabin left no claw mark,

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It left no invention of any kind. It didn't leave the muddy of its

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hand or foot or anything on the
side of caun. You just didn't see

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nothing. But then the interesting thing
was there was no because I keep everything

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cleared away, so you know,
if we get a fire or something,

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it didn't get right up against the
edge, so there was no sticks or

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limbs or anything laying there. Luckily
limb fell out of trade hit side of

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the house, outside of the cabin
there, so there was nothing back there.

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But there's so many leaves on the
ground too, there was no chance

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for a footprint to be left.
Man. That is says some weird stuff,

630
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sure, Chris, Man, I
would say, continue to keep an

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ear out, keep an eye out, man. You could probably get some

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cool recordings, maybe from an audio
record. I know you haven't heard a

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lot lately, but I just I
appreciate you coming on Chris and chatting about

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what's going on over at it.
Absolutely big Foot Springs. It sounds like

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a cool place. Please keep me
up to date with if anything else weird

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00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.599
happens here, which I'm pretty sure
you will continue to experienced stuff for sure.

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Oh yeah, whatever's there is,
it's there permanently and it's I don't

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see it going anywhere whatever it is. But blocks say, I don't think

639
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it's got to hurt anything other than
to buy out whatever species or whatever it

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00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.719
is. Yeah, absolutely, Chris, thank you for chatting tonight. How

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00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.719
you no problem. I'm appreciate you
having me on here. You're at Bigfoot

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00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:27.159
Society Art Goal is to provide a
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to

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share their encounter in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story.

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If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an

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email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot
com. Then we can start the conversation.

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I know a lot of you have
not shared your encounter at all.

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It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest and

648
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then you can get some well deserved
for rest, because I know you haven't

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been sleeping. I understand and what
you're going through, and I appreciate every

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one of you listening