Bigfoot Stalked our Property in Oklahoma!

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society. We got the privilege of talking to mister Steve Arnie today. He's from the great state of Oklahoma. And how's it going down there, Steve?

0:50 Man, it's going good. I'm having a good day. How are you today? You know, I'm doing great working on podcast stuff, being able to talk to people about Bigfoot. It's a great day and I cannot complain. And weather's pretty good up here in Iowa. Actually it's not too hot. But man, you reached out and we've been chatting kind of back and forth a little bit, and it sounds like you've had some really interesting things that have been going on down there. So I'd love to kind of hear what you've got going on there. Man. Yeah. Yeah, So, like Jeremiah said, my name is Steve. I'm actually from Emerald of Texas. I moved to Oklahoma eleven years ago my wife and son. He's a Texas fan, she's an Oklahoma fan. So it's always fun around here.

1:37 So but we've moved out here eleven years ago, and you know, from being from Emoral, I've always hunted and fished. My Papa Turner taught me the love of the outdoors and respect of the land. Always keep it better than you found it. Right. If you see trash, pick it up. That actually drives me crazy, but I won't get on soapbucks. So anyway, so I'll pass that on to my son. He's now thirty three. It's amazing how fast time flies. But shout out to him. He did eight years in the Navy, and very very proud of him. And so anyway, I've also got a twenty nine year old daughter, a nineteen year old son, and yes, I'm the idiot that has a twelve year old daughter too, and so it's always fun. But when we moved to Oklahoma, it was like moving from high desert, if you will, to a very foothills mountainee giant oak trees. I mean, dude, so seriously, forgive me. I call her bady dud. When my wife found our place, she asked me if I'd moved to Oklahoma because her daddy lived in the city and he was starting to get down in help right, he was at the age where he was losing his health. So

3:08 I said, look, I've got tons of family there. I love Oklahoma, so let's go. But you cannot tap me into move it into the city. Too many people, too big, too crazy. So been country all my life. We bought ten acres, and Jeremiah, to give you an idea, it's a mile off of a two lane highway on a dirt road, and then our place. You drove through five acres of oak trees to even see the house, and so it was like a kind of a big s to drive through the oak trees and then see the house. And I looked at her before we even saw the house, I said, I sure hope you like this place because we're buying it. And if we did, and it was paradigm for me, right, so we we There was a little country house there that was built incredibly well. Everything was.

4:10 I did a little construction work. It was all built on two bus six. There's an old farmhouse, but just beautifully done with little pop elly stove in it. And uh so, anyway that the house needed a little work, we set in on doing that. But here's the deal, even though I was still part time working at that time, if I have my way, I'm going to be in the woods. So immediately I was in the woods behind our house. Which this is something that I've never heard anybody really get into. But I think that this has a big reason for having so many big foot sightings in Oklahoma, so many encounters, so many A lot of my encounters are just things I heard, not saw. Is our house backed up to it tear dropped down three times if you can imagine that behind the house into the woods that I made into my little deer hunting area.

5:18 But the last tear drop that leveled out into a valley was the Trail of Tears. Okay, and most people don't talk about that the Trail of Tears was a horrible time in America or not half I'm sorry. Let me restate that I have Cherokee blood in me. My great grandmother was full of blood Cherokee. On a little sidebar, I think you ought to start taking notes of how many people that either know or are friendly with natives this deals with, because I just think it's a big part of its Trail of tears. It is. It's a large man well, the trail of tears. I mean, our history is being lost to us because they don't teach it in school anymore, as far away as from Georgia, maybe even in Florida. Probably in Florida, they pushed Native Americans, and the Cherokee always wanted to be known as a civilized tribe. They wanted to get along because they knew if they didn't want what happen. Probably so they always wanted to be a civilized tribal. It didn't matter when gold was found in Georgia. Most people don't realize that there was a lot of gold there. When gold was found there, they pushed the Cherokee and all other natives into Oklahoma, Okay. And when I say pushed I mean it.

6:46 They the Calvary was pushing people on foot in the winter, whether they had clothes or not, whether they had good shoes or barefoot, whether they were babies or grandmas. They all had to walk to Oklahoma from think about it, from Georgia, dude. So it was so bad that if someone died along the trail, which many, many, many did, you could bury them, but you couldn't put a marker on their grid. Okay, total crap, total disrespect. But so like I say, keep that in mind. Our home back up to the Trail of Tears and is a beautiful valley.

7:31 And if you didn't know the history, no reason. I knew it, as a gentleman that lived down there told me. But if you didn't know the history, you were never thought about that. Well. The other thing about that is, I'm fairly certain I can't prove it, don't want to prove it, do not want to mess with it whatsoever, and did not. When we lived there. There was two rock piles that were if you can see an old Western in your mind where they would bury someone out on the prairie, that's exactly what they looked like. Okay, And so I want you guys, dear my in the listening audience, I want you to start getting your hackles up because they need to be it because this land was highly charged plan and when I say highly charged, it was paranormal big time. But that's that'll get into the story a little bit later. So anyway, I get the land cleared. I'm so excited to have a beautiful piece of paradise barred a neighbors. Tractors started digging a pond and got the pond done. It was never really big enough, so I hired some professionals to come in and dig it for me, and they did a fantastic job.

8:55 Then I stopped it with bass croppie perch. There wasn't a big pond, probably thirds of an acre, but man did it hold fish. I mean it held fish and they got big in there and it was just beauty. It was paradise to me. You got to remember that this whole place was paradise to me. So anyway, the first year didn't really have anything happen, but the second year here's where it goes. And now I'm gonna pre warn y'all to pre plug your ears a little bit because this is gonna get a little loud, and so jeremiy may want to turn your speaker down. I don't want to blow anything. But so I'm hunting. I set up.

9:39 What I did was I cleared about, including those the stony area, I cleared about an acre and a half of land. I did not touch those stones, There's no way in the world I would. I didn't move any trees that were near them. But around that I cleared about an acre and a half of land. I had a tractor, and I sewed in a winter week spot every year for the deer. I promise you that critters down there eight better than I did. And by the way, I only took what I needed for me when I hunted.

10:19 My granddaddy taught me. And I'm very serious about this. If you're not going to eat it, you leave it alone. Right. You don't hunt just for the sport of it. You don't kill unless you need to eat. And I fully believe that. By the way, I'm very much a Christian. Played music and did that for years, and I got to be an honest person. I played in the bars and all the wrong places for a long time and toured did all that. So I was very involved in our local church. And by the way, this is in roughly the McComb, Oklahoma area. So Jeremiah, if you want to map that out, if you head south out of Macomb, you're gonna hit Ashuer, Oklahoma. You're gonna hit Ada, Oklahoma.

11:09 Then you're gonna hit Antler's Oklahoma. I've heard all these names on your ship. Okay. So, and by the way, just side note something for y'all. Look up later. Look up the Ashure Bigfoot fireman video. It's on YouTube. And this did happen. Okay. This guy was just doing a he was teaching people how to do a controlled burn because he was a fire chief. Dude had no intention of showing anything about Bigfoot. Was it even on his radar. He just said, this is how you properly do a controlled burn to keep your place from burning up. And in the background, someone put on YouTube, Hey, what's up with the bigfoot running through your video? And he's like, what are you talking about. He's like, there's nothing like that.

12:00 I'm just doing control burn. And then he went back and looked at it and he's like, oh my god, dude, there's like that eight or nine foot tall. You can't make it out clearly because of smoke. But you can see something that big, and this one was slender. It was not a bodybuilder from what I could see on the video, but eight or nine foot tall running. And here's the other reason that I tend to think it's bigfoot when it's running, it's upper body. Does it jog up and down like hours? This upper body smooth as silk. Its legs are moving fast, right, and he's not tumping his arms hard, and so it's not us. It's not a human being whatever it was. So anyway, get back to the story. But I want y'all to go look it up. It's a neat video. I am setting up to do it archery hunt. Now I'm disabled. I can praise God, I can still walk, but I've had multiple back surgeries and i've had I've also broke my neck to prove I would do that. So I'm setting up to do a early October crossfow hunts. Okay, and I've got my And it's funny you change your places. I

13:30 don't prefer to hunt in a elevated blind unless I have to, because my legs are still there. If I have to climb, I can, but I'm not real steady at it coo being back surgeries anyway, So I get in there. I'm so excited. This is my first or second time to ever hunt there. And I'm in my ground blind in my chair. Now you got to think this is old man hunting. This is It's not young strong man that's out busting brush and all that. This is when I'm older. So I'm in my ground blind, in my pulled up chair. I've got a little kind of a if you will, coffee table in table things sitting beside me, where my coffee sets or my soda whatever water, you know, my crackers. I mean, dude, you gotta do it right when you're old. So I'm setting up and it's getting to be the magic hour, and anybody that hunts knows what I'm talking about. The sun is starting to set. It's getting cooler. By the way, in Oklahoma, it's deg hot till like mid November, so it's getting cooler. The mosquitoes are kind of leaving me alone.

14:50 And now brace yourself, folks. I'm just gonna do it the way I heard it. And I'm just so excited to see a deer. And I didn't even realize at that time. But the woods are really quiet that day, you know. And when I hunt, ninety nine percent of the time I'm using a crossbow. I'm not hunting with a rifle, shotgun, anything else. And so normally I'm hearing things in that ground line, especially after being in it for two hours, and all of a sudden, I hear this sound. Okay, I heard that, and I'm like, what, dude.

15:40 My hair on my head stood up, I ain't got that bunch hair. My backstiff, and my I started tingling, and I'm you got to remember, I've hunted it hunted all over I've hunted it Colorado, I've hunted it in Mexico, all over Texas. I've never heard anything like that in my life. Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

16:23 And so I won't do that again, because I know how much it hurts to get that loud on speakers and stuff. But I heard that sound, and it seemed like the sound was so loud that it hit me in the chips right and immediately I got fearful. And that doesn't make any sense. I don't get fearful. I just I'm not saying I'm big, bad and brave or nothing like that. But dude, I've been in the woods. I've been way too close to way too many bears weather fishing, hunting, or in my time of gold mining and stuff, and so I don't get scared that easy, right.

17:11 And I heard it directly below me. You gotta remember, three tiers down, trail of tiers, and then the little river runs back through there. And by the way, there's no houses for probably three miles in that direction. Okay, it's only woods, it's only river, it's only cattle. There's one rancher that lives one valley away, kind of back to the south, and so get all that in your mind. I heard that sound and every hair on my body stood up. Then I heard it again, and it was a half a mile down the valley. And now here's the deal. Here's what I want you to understand. That half that time between the first and the second one was probably three minutes at the very most. Now, if that was a human being trying to make his way through the woods, he's not going to get a half a mile and three minutes being out there running, right.

18:22 And then I heard it again a mile and a half down into the river. A minute after that, then I heard it again right back up by me. Okay, now here's the thing that it freaked me out really bad. I got out of my blind. I'm not gonna lie. I got out of my blind and I've got about two hundred yards to my back door, maybe three hundred. I go up and we had a back porch back there in Romance, pretty wood back porch, and I go in the house and I grabbed my wife by the hand. I said come out here. She's like, what do you want? Said no, seriously, I need you to come out here right now. The thing was still calling. She heard it too, and it was that loud and it was still calling.

19:10 And I said, you're hearing what I'm hearing. I'm not going crazy, right And she said, yeah, I hear it. And I said okay. The next night, I go back to my blind with a lot of trepidation. I really kind of sort of it wasn't sure if I wanted to be in there or not. And sure enough I heard it again and I'm like, I'm out of here. So I go back. Here's the thing. I take more risks than most people's. Well, I've got so many back injuries. The way I broke my neck was I got bucked off a horse and then I rolled a tractor. Okay, so I do. I take more risks than many people.

19:55 But at the same time, I ain't stupid. I'm not going to go see what I'm hearing with it moving that fast, and I'm never Okay, Bigfoot had never been on my radar. I'm a novice. I don't know anything about it. I'm from the Texas Panhandle. Okay, so that's the first experience. That's the first time I heard it. Well, then it moved away. Now I want to reset the stage. This was in October bed October, I hunt. I take a nice buck that year, and which is rare. I normally don't. Normally I just take a dough or whatever.

20:40 But God bless me. What as a matter of fact, I get. I sent you a picture of me with that beer, and for the next about the next year, at the same time, here we go again. It's doing the you who. And it did it for two nights in a roup. Okay, and Amanda and I just started calling it to you who because that's what it was doing. But it, I mean, it was doing it exactly like I explained, and it moved way faster than a human being could through those woods and through that areas. There's really thick areas back there, and then there's areas where ranchers have cleared it out for cattle. And so a man could get out onto the plains of the area, if you will, And if he was sprinting as hard as he could sprint, he might be able to do that.

21:40 But I want to ask you this, if he's a mile and a half away and I still hear it loud enough to not want to go near it, is that a man and a man make that much noise, Because what I did, what y'all heard, is still only if you look at it on a decimal scale, maybe a third of what it did. Maybe maybe maybe. And dude, I've played a lot of music over the years. I've got amplifiers that are as loud as a jet airplane. So I'm no volume, okay. And so that was the first two years. The third year it was an unseasonably dry year. Didn't hear nothing. Thank god, I didn't want to hear nothing, and so I was able to hunt.

22:31 And by the way, once I'm kind of like anybody else once that thing goes away, and I've forgotten about it for two three months. I'm back to doing my normal thing. I'm tracing around in the woods. And if I shot a deer and I had to go into my neighbor's land to get the deer, I did it, never thought once about it. And his land is so thick, even though we're only in the foothills now. Inland is so thick. You can get in there and get lost. It's a thirty ac or parcel, but you can get lost in it. And you really got to remember your directions to be able to move in or you're going to go the wrong direction. So there are like that gentleman said the other day, whether mister Whitehead or Whitefield or Oklahoma is so much thicker than people give it credit for. And if you get much past Oklahoma City, which Macomb is about, oh, I don't know, sixty miles east of Oklahoma City, and then twenty miles south. You get much past there, you're getting into some pretty serious hills.

23:45 And they are all the foothills of the Smokies. It's the way I say it. So anyway, it didn't bother me to be in it. Then this is what happened year number four. Okay, uh, I had just had a back surgery, one of many. Uh it was in the fall. I wasn't happy about it because I love the hunt, and but I'm sitting on the back porch, not doing anything but trying to recover. I don't hear the you who's Okay, my own theory on the you who's in the fall? I think. I don't think the things have to travel to live. I think they travel to make it if it now, now follow me on this. If it's a young one looking for a territory to be to grow up and be an old one in right, I don't personally I think there's a lot more of them than people say. But I also don't think there's that much interbreeding going on, if you will, because they're a very smart, smart creep. Sure. So I think it's kind of like us when we're young and we're uh virile so to speak, We're gonna go out and do whatever to look for a mate. Now sidebar, any ladies that are listening right now. I have a saying that

25:17 always said to the church kids, and you've got to remember our country. So this is how I taught don't go looking for a thoroughbred and a pasture full of jackasses just sidebar there. Uh, so think about that. You want to say what I'm saying, Uh, don't go don't go to a bar and expect to find a good man or expect to find someone who's always going to be by your side. People only change in dire circumstances. That's my whole point. So anyway, get back on track here, Steve. Uh it's in the fall. I've had surgery. I'm not moving real well. That year became the year of COVID, which is a whole other story. But before all that happened, we start hearing. Now you got to remember where we lived.

26:13 I used to travel for insurance right when I was working part time. I traveled the nation. We had conferences in Northern Carolina. Guys, if you ever get a chance to a drive trip out to Northern Carolina, some of the most beautiful country you will ever see in your life. But so, I traveled a lot, and I'm a farmer at heart, a lot more than a cowboy, even though I rode horses, race cows all that, And so I love planting trees, planning, gardens doing all that kind of stuff. Well, I'm out on the road and I called my wife and I said, honey, would you mind going out and watering my trees that I planted because it's brutal hot.

26:57 This was before the surgery, brutal hot, and if you don't water them, they're not gonna make it. So she's out there water and talking to me on the phone. I'm in Tennessee or somewhere, and she went, oh, there's a bobcat. I went, really, Now, you got to remember, Jeremiah, my wife is from the city, city, through and through. She is not a country girl. So this whole way of life had to scare hurt of death. But h I said, is the Is it the squatty fat one or that tall slender one? And she said, well, he's pretty tall and he's got a long tail. And I went to do what She said, Yeah, he's pretty tall.

27:37 He's not giant big, but he's got a long tail. I said, Honey, I want you to continue with water hose, and I want you to back yourself all the way up to the house, turn the water up and go in. Don't go back out there. She's like, what are you talking about it, I said, that is not a bobcat. It was a juvenile mountain lion. Oh wow, she's so sitty. She didn't know, and I said, And as we're talking, I said, what is he doing? She said, well, I don't know. He kind of walked up on a hill and now he's laying the side a tree and he's watching me intentley. I said, yeah, get out of there. And uh so we have mountain lines in the area, right, I know, and not a lot now there. And there is also black cougar's over there. There's if you go on Facebook and look up the area, there are pictures of a black cougar by a dude's trail camera. And I happen to know the guy and he touched me in the picture, so they're they. But we start hearing this evening, this winter fall evening, when I can't hunt I want to hunt. We start hearing a deep growl, a guttural deep growl, followed by a large cat. Now you've got to remember, I've got neighbors all around me with cattle. Okay, So you know what a baby sounds like, You know what a yearling sounds like. You know what

29:08 a year and a half old calf turn into a cower or bull or whatever, you know what they sound like. This is a large calf. If I had to guess, and this is a pure guess, it was a year and a half old, just by his sound and Jeremiah, the fourth thing was being ripped in half. I'm not kidding, I'm not exaggerating. It was screaming as loud as it could scream being ripped up, and I wanted to go check it out. And my wife grabbed me by the neck said you ain't going nowhere, and she's right. I just had back surgery, couldn't walk well. Everything in me wanted to go and try to help that cat, because that's the kind of person I am. If I know something like that is being torn up, I want to go help. And she wouldn't let me. And hindsight twenty twenty, she was so smart. If she had tackled me, I'd just laid there because I had no business in those woods at that time with my surgery.

30:14 Big for society, who would be right back after these messages? So this thing was being ripped up, and I knew it was being ripped up. You could hear it fall as it was being torn up. Okay, now I want you to think about this, a year and a half old. If I'm anywhere near close to right. Let's say it's a yearling, a yearling cow pepper chaff, whatever steer, you know, if he's been cut to butcher, that thing, a yearling is going to be about twelve hundred pounds, anywhere from eight hundred on a small side. Which these were beef cattle.

31:12 I don't think anybody in that area had dairy cattle. These were beef cattle anywhere from eight hundred on a small side to twelve hundred. That's about the size range. Now here's another thing to put in your head. A bull elf weighs eight hundred pounds. That's the muscle structure, the bigness of that path at that time. Okay, And I didn't go down there. I didn't find much that year. Neighbor actually brought me some dear meat, A very good neighbor ahead to the north of me. Is awesome human being. And so come about spring, I was really feeling good.

31:59 I went down and checked the fields and did all of that. Well, here's the other thing. I'm dog rich with anybody that knows what that means. My wife and daughter that came over here are if they hear of a dog in trouble, it's now my dog. Actually, Darren called me one time, he said, hey, we got puppies, and I tried to hang up before she could hear right, but she heard it and we got a dog. We still have her of the stay. So I have two wine runners that are hunters, okay, and over there where we live, they roam the woods every day. That was their thing. Nobody cared. Everybody knew them. My dogs didn't mess with cows. They knew better. And that spring, Jeremiah, I'm not kidding. Those dogs started bringing up the bones of that cat. And I was right on the size that I thought it was, because they brought up basically, if you can ficture the handbone where it connects to the hip socket, if you took it and spread open your hand to where you're catching a softball, that's the size of that handbone knuckle that connected to the hip socket.

33:19 That is not a small calf, that's right, that's that's a pretty big animal. And they started bringing up bones to it. Now, the man, the gentleman that ran those cows. I heard him and his family out running their horses and and their pour wheelers and looking for all their cows. I heard them out doing that, and and I was listening intently to their conversation to see if they found the kult side. They didn't find it. You got to remember, at that time, I was still not able to move real good. So that was the last thing I heard that really stands out in my mind. So I had basically three instances. Now I'm going to tell you this too.

34:16 In my mind. If you've ever watched shows like Oh Alaska, the Last Frontier is a really good one to think about. When they have an eight hundred pound cat, sometimes that cat can survive a grizzly bear attack. Oh now I'm talking about real ballsy cabs. And forgive me, that's not a bad word. If you're a singer, ballsy means you sing really good in privloud. Right. If you've got a really a cat, that's going to be a good one. They can survive a bear attack. They actually filmed one of their cabs that had a bear had been up on his back and torn into his Oh, backstrap is what you call them. In the hunting world on both sides, and you could see four claw marks on both sides, and that animal should have died and he survived. Okay, So those calves are a lot stronger. Think about a young man at that point in life. They're strong at that point. They can survive. And I would doubt that even a mountain lion would go after that dude, Right, a mountain lion will go after a small calf or a young cat. And as a matter of fact, when the captain seasons gone, there's cowboys out there saddled up with thirty thirties waiting on the coyotes to come in after the brand new babies. Part of cowboy and and not only the coyotes, but the mountain lions too. But I don't think in my mind even a mature line

35:51 would go after a cat that beig. Now, I never saw the kill sight, Like I said, my dog's drunk drug the up. There was rib bone, there was that hip bone. My dogs are like, they hunt on their own, even actually better than when I hunt with them. They'll bring up squirrels that they've hunted and that stack them like cordwood. Now, I know a lot of people are gonna have a problem with that. But it's the wild. It's it's what happens out in the country. I'm just being real with what happens. So now here's where it gets interesting. This is another area that I want people to perch their ears up. We did a lot of stuff my church and I for the community. Okay, we we u And I'm not trying to beat my own horn here. There's a reason for this. We fed the kids at the school a lot, and I'm really happy that I was able to be a part of that.

36:54 So the school people knew our worship leader at our church really well. He was a school teacher at one time. I was the assistant worship leader. Anytime he had to go somewhere, I stepped in and took over and loved my time there. Dude. We were a growing church after some tumultuous stuff doesn't matter. But anyway, the schools invited us to a back to school barbecue small town, Oklahoma. I'm gonna tell y'all, if you're in the city and you're thinking about moving to a small town and you're worried about, oh what about this, or what about just do it? You're gonna you're gonna meet people that, for no other reason than just being good hearted people, they want to help. They want to do whatever it is to help you because when trouble comes, you will help them.

37:49 That's how people look at life. Okay, and so I've never met a kinder area of people than I knew there ever up to this day. And so anyway, uh, the worship leader calls me and he says, hey, dude, the school wants us to do a back to school barbecue and sing along and all that said, great, let's go do it. So we the group goes out and we're doing this sing along. Well, then it's they wanted it to be an authentic camp out experience for these kids, the kids in the area. There's a bunch of poor kids in the area. They just want them to have a good time as much as possible. Okay, So we set up to do that and we're doing it. The kids are singing along, We're doing country songs, gospel songs, you name it. And it was so fun because the kids were really enjoying it. And uh, well then came the camp fire time. Okay want now, Okay, you gotta you got to understand that I'm I'm what what is it.

38:59 I take people at this value. I until you do something that tells me that you're not my friend, I'm going to consider you my friend. And I don't mean strangers if that describes me at all. So the guys start telling stories, ghost stories and such. Well, they asked us do y'all know and and do I know? Tons of them. I don't even want to talk about all this stuff I know, and especially not to kids, and so I'm like, yeah, I know a few, and then one of the guys yells out tell a bigfoot story, and okay, I want you to. At this time in my life, I knew because I had really dug into those sounds that I heard. I started researching and I knew what made those sounds because I've watched enough video to know if you listen to the Ohio sounds, some of them are similar to that. And I actually called a guy on one of the podcasts years ago and I gave him that sound and he said, oh, yeah, I've heard that. And so, but I'm real trepidacious. I didn't want to just blur out, yeah, I know what that is. And so one of them was like, don't you know any Bigfoot stories, and I'm kind of still looking at him and another man that I don't know from Adam if one of his kids was there. He said, well,

40:30 he just hadn't lived here long enough to know any he'll know him if he's lived here long enough. And so when he said that, I went ahead and told the Hue story, and one of the guys in the in the audience was shaking his head, Yes, I've heard that. Okay. Then one of the guys came out in a big Foot costume and scared the kids around them around and all this stuff, and they just had a good time with it, and we went on. The whole evening wasn't about Bigfoot by any means. But one of the kids came up to me afterwards and he said, please do that sound again. I want to hear it. So I did it again that long. By the way, every time I do that, my dogs are looking at me like, what's wrong with you? So anyway, then COVID happens, our house burns down. Oh well, it was a blessing in disguise and a long run. Because my wife and daughter didn't want to tell me that there were paranormal things happening to the point that we had a pastor friend of ours go out and bless our home. Actually blessed we had homeowner's insurance. Right. I hated losing that house because I loved it man with a passion. But it was there was something there. And by the way, I

42:02 don't want to get it too much into paranormal unless you just want me to. But a person lived there before us that invited that stuff. Oh okay, well, and here's the deal. I am very much a Christian to talk about that now. I believe in all the fruits of the spirit. The church we were going through at the time didn't practice all that didn't matter. They were good people. They were our friends, so none of that matter. But I was raised by a my mom had trouble, so my granddad, my dad, my aunt and uncles. That's the only reason I love music in the outdoors. All of those people raised me. My granddady is a Pentecostal pastor that went to the reservations and preached out New Mexico, and one of my uncles actually lived out there for a long time. As a matter of fact, I'm way a silver and turquoise ring that my granddad gave me that was made for him by a native medicine man out there as a thank you for coming out here and teaching us the gospel. So I was raised full Pentecost all of that, you know, So I fully believe in spiritual things. Here's the deal, guys. If you believe

43:34 in the good, you got to believe in the bad, because it's all real. Yep. If you believe in God, you got to believe in the devil. Right, there's good and there's evil. Vote you invite what you want in your life. Now, I don't know why, but I'm kind of led to say this. When I was fourteen was the first time that I no, I'm sorry, fifteen, first time that I ever experienced paranormal and em roll, Texas. Living in the house we were living in east side of town. Lightning storm came and knocked out power. Right.

44:21 My dad's in the shower. Now, my dad did not believe in anything like this. Dad's in the shower. I'm in the living room. I'd already I've been a hard worker all my life. I'd already earned enough cash to buy my first pickup. So my pickup sitting out there beside dads and powers out. However, it was a full moon. Once the storm passed, Okay, a black mass starts coming down the hallway and I see it clear as day. Dude. It's like, just imagine someone. It's not then as a cloud. It's not thick as styrofoam. It's thicker than a cloud.

45:02 I know that's weird, but that's what it was. But it was black, and it was coming down the hallway and I could see it clear as day, and it was coming into the living room. I ran through. It was just stupid, but I ran through it and I hit the bathroom door and I said, Dad, there's something out here. You got to get out of here. And he said, you're just seeing things. He didn't believe any of that. I didn't want to hear it. That's just how my dad was. And so I'm trying to look because I'm in the bathroom in that area, not the bathroom, but near it, and it turns around and it starts coming back at me. I ran out of the house and I spent. The night my pickup Big for Society will be right back.

45:43 After these messages, they could not get me out of my pickup. I went over and talked to my Papa Turner about it, and he said, you just saw your first glimpse of something evil trying to mess with you, and you've got to pray in the name of Jesus and cover yourself with the blood of Jesus to keep that stuff away. You're right. If it wouldn't have been for that, I'd have never known what to do when things like that happened.

46:27 But now, remember I'm part Cherokee, Okay. I've always had a giant high respect for the Native people. I don't know, there are ways enough I wish I knew them more, but I've been blessed to know some in my life, and so now pass forward out to this land. I've got pictures that I can send you of things that happened on that land because it's so weird. I had the deer camera set up around my hunting field, right, I would. On one particular picture, you see my hand going to release the camera hard and it takes a picture, and ninety percent of that picture is my hand. Well, one of my neighbors was over and now I was showing him the different fear, and that picture of my hand came up and we had it on my computer. So it was a decent screen and I just went past us as just a weird picture, and he sa, no, no, no, go back, and I go back. And if you blow up to ten percent of that screen, that's not my hand.

47:38 There's streaks of light. And when I say it was it was a sunny day, okay, bluebird sky. But there's streaks of light between the strength of a naked light in your house, you know, with a lamp shape and stronger than that. That were just kind of kind of weird oddball coming down, almost kind of like lightning. And in those streaks of light, there are faces and you can make the faces out and they are native faces. Now I don't know why they're there, but they're there. Well, actually I do know why. Trail of tears. Okay. My wife would go down there in the evening. She loved to take pictures. She loved her and my daughter love sunset pictures. She didn't take sunset pictures, she said, I but there's another dreen thing in the picture and his orbs.

48:35 The land was highly charged. Now, my son came to hunt with us one time and I said, c J, when you're in those woods, what do you feel, like, how do you feel? And he's like, Dad, I can't explain it, but I'm at more peace there than I am anywhere. Now, he did eight years maybe, and saw some things that were horrible, had to do something, things that were work. And he said, but when I'm in those woods, and I don't want to bypass that. That's the PTSD thing is so real in those guys lives. I have so much respect for them. It's something they battle that we as. I'm a non military member. My dad and my son, my youngest son's fixing to go military, working at it. And I don't know that. I don't know the hurt that they've seen, but I know the pain of that kind of thing. I don't know the pain of seeing a friend die right before me, right in front of me. I don't know that I'll never be able to understand that. But anyway, with all that in his in his heart, when he's hunting in those woods with his bow up in a tree, he said, I'm at more peace there than I am anywhere, And I can't explain it. And I have the exact same feeling, more peace in those woods than I am anywhere. So

50:05 I told you our house burned down. This was right at COVID. I went to the hospital with COVID. They tried to innovate me. I told them, there's no way I'm gonna let you innovate me. And every time the nurse. I was in there for fourteen days, very close to death at one point, and every time the nurse would leave the room, I'd get up and I'd walk around the room. I just wanted out of there. But I had some underlying things going on, pneumonia, other things, and it was it was a bad struggle. Well, our house had already burnt down at that point. We're living in a one of my good good friends, well the music leader, he had brought his RV out there for us to live in. We're living in that and uh, it's a very cold winter, did very hard winter. I'm weak from the COVID thing. So I'm still in the hostpelddle. My poor wife is out there trying to handle member of city girl, trying to handle putting pro paine tanks on in fifteen degree weather. She ain't built for that. She don't know what that's like. But you got to remember, this is paradise to me. This place is paradise to me, even though I know there's paranormal things. And by that point at time in time, she and my little girl had already complained to me that they had seen things that they didn't like. I'll give you one example of that, and i'll move on. One time, when I was out

51:37 of town, my wife called me frantic, and she said, I think there's somebody either in our house or because we had started rebuilding, or just outside the house. And I said, well, tell me what's going on. She said, I was sound asleep in some thing. Ran up to the foot of my bed and ran around it two or three times, and then ran off and ran into our little girl's room. And I jumped up and I went and there's nothing here. And she was frantic, dude, she was almost to tears. She was her voice was shaky.

52:23 I really I felt horrible because I was out on the road traveling, and we continue to build a house and those things won't go away. Remember we'd had the house blessed. Whatever's there's not leaving. We have an air conditioning man come over and it's his uncle that owns the land back behind us, and so I asked him, I said, dude, I heard your uncle and some dudes out there on horseback and boilers looking for cattle. Do you know if they found them all or not? And he said no, what And I said one of them got torn apart one night after I'd had surgery. I really wanted to go and try to help it, but I couldn't. And I just want to know if they ever found remains or anything like that out there. And he's like, no, but I'll find out, you know, just that I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know if they ever found any remains or anything.

53:24 I told him what I heard, and he said, yeah, I would have had to gone and looked at what was going on, and he's a young cowboy. I did it. But so anyway, we're trying to build, We're trying to make things work. The paranormal stuff will not leave my girls alone. And I bought a saw mill because I was tired of traveling, so I bought a saw mill. And now, dude, I've had over twenty back surgeries, not including my next surgeries. I'm a moron. I don't have any business dealing with the sawmill, but I had tractors. I had equipment to lift the logs. You know, it was still very much hard work, but I loved it.

54:09 I absolutely love milling trees. There's that part of the state. I've always been a woodworker, and that part of the state is so loaded with giant oaks and white oaks, and oh my gosh, dude, there's so many trees that it's just such a fantastic singing nature that they had there. And there's you could cut all the trees off of my land and they'd be back in ten years, but it would take you twenty five years to cut them all down. There's that many trees out there. And I never do that anyway. I only took out trees that were dying or you know whatever. And I've got to the steps. Still got black walnut, I've got white oak, black oak, cedar, you name it. That I brought with me, So anyway, I would not. I didn't want to hear that there was something in that house that wanted to hurt me. Didn't want to hear that because it was my paradise, right, didn't want to hear it. Didn't want my wife to say it or anything else. I saw milling.

55:21 We're going to church. We're doing all the things that we do, and I'm out in the middle of the field that and this is something I want you to think about. This field had just been rained on the weekend before, and I'm milling trees around this corner. I have my Dodge Foil drive out there. Still breaks my heart to this day. My dad had bought that truck for me, his last thing he did before he died. He was just a giving good man. And that truck, for no reason, in the middle of that field caught fire and burned the ground. And uh, there's nothing I could do about it. So true the grace of God and the grace of really good family. I was able to get another truck, and I tried to just get past it. Right. Just go back to work. That's always been my deal, is just go back to work. You'll be fine, Just work through. It's all good. The girls we're still saying, you know, these things are happening, and we prayed over it, and we've asked that the house be blessed. When I told you, someone invited. I don't want to go too far into this, but I have a feeling there was sorry.

56:44 You just actually your audio just totally went out in the last sentence. If you agree with that, you're good. You're good. Okay, where did it go out? Let me ask you that you said when the truck burned out there, it. Was when you were about to talk about the history of the house. I think, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I apologize. I'm fairly certain even though the lady that had the place, I'm fairly certain she had invited evil in. Maybe not on purpose, but it was there, Okay. They used to have haunted trails out there before we moved, and it was all in good fun. Although a man died of a heart attack on one of their haunted trails. Well, and I'm and so they when that happened, they shut it down. So okay. I don't want to go into much more detail on recording about that because she's a sweet lady and I don't want to go in any further than that. But but there was things invited in that shouldn't have been okay. And another little side note, she told me that she never went out after dark because she was afraid she would see a big foot.

58:14 There's a little side note there. Oh wow, And she'd lived in the hep she lived in that house for thirty years. Man, So she had stuff going on. Oh dude, absolutely had stuff going on. Absolutely. It was weird the way that area is set up. Tornadoes, you know, this is tornado alley. Tornadoes would form above that area and then go in to Shawnee and destroy Shawnee. I watched it happen three times, and I always told my wife, well, she told us, Sonny, that they form above here, but they never actually hit here. Well. And then about a week later one went right out our front road and tore up the road pretty good. Luckily no one was hurt in that one, praise God. But anyway, there was evil there. The only way I know to describe it, my daughter saw black masses that would stand over the foot of her bed and lean over her. And so but remember this is my paradise. I didn't want to hear nothing about leaving it. Right then, I'm doing the chainsaw thing and cutting a tree. And quite frankly, there's another lady that's just spectacular to us all the time we were there. Her name was Karen. Just spectacular people.

59:36 Her and her family, her daughter, son in law, all of them just fantastic people. And when we first moved there. She gave me a gil chainsaw because she knew that I needed it out there, and I did. She said, you don't have I told her. She asked me when we first moved it, you got a chainsaw. So I got a crafts use it for years. She said no, no, no, that ain't good enough. And she was right. It wasn't. It was strong enough for that area. And she gave me once. She wouldn't hear of me paying for it. She's gave it to me. So I was carving her a bobcat and with a very good I'm not sure if it was the same saw, but a very good skill chainsaw. And so I don't know if you've ever worked with them or not, but you know chainsaws have an emergency break on them right. What it's designed for is if the saw kicks back right, it applies the brake and shuts the blade off. Now, if it would have been a lesser saw, I would say, okay, it was just a free thing. But this saw, I want you to think about this. This saw had just been repaired back to its original because I believe in maintaining your equipment.

1:00:55 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. If you don't, you're stupid. You trust, you got to rely on it, So it needs to rely on you to maintain. I had just had the shop, the saw in the shop. Everything was working perfectly on the saw. I started doing that work for her, carving that out. I used to man, I've got if you look at my personality, I'm an artist, done artwork for years. I've got saw carvings all over. It was blessed, very blessed, and Amarilla to have a lady do a news article on some stuff that I had done, and the Associated Press picked up that article. So I've got chainsaw carvings in like thirty states, and it's just it's the way I look at it, it's a gift from God. Like other people are teachers. Art is a gift from God.

1:02:04 Everything is a gift from God. So anyway I'm carving that for her. The saw kicks back and instead of the break being applied, it speeds up and it's coming right at my face. So what do you do when you see something anything coming at your face. You put your arm up to block it. Right. I put my arm up to block it, and it almost cut my right hand off, and I've got pictures of all that's really fasty, but it it cut through all of my kendons on my right hand. And if it weren't for our youngest son at the house, Luckily, my oldest son and I've been on an ail hunt and this is all.

1:02:51 You know. People say it's such a coincidence that this that night ain't a coincidence. It's what God has laid out for you in your life. It bad be it indifferent. There's no coincidences. He had taught me three months earlier how to apply a tourniquet. If he hadn't done that, Jeremia, I'd be dead. Okay, I was bleeding out fast. My wife wasn't there. It was just my youngest son and I. The whole time. We're rebuilding this house and I'm trying to keep things going. I'm bleeding out. So I wrapped my hand around my wrist as best I could to set the blood off. He applies a tourniquet. I had to teach him how, and we got the blood to stop.

1:03:39 Was able to call ambulance. Ambulance came and picked me up. It's a funny story, but I don't want to take that too much. Ill's time. So anyway, every time I would think it was fixing to it better, it got worse until I woke up from surgery. And that's when I knew I was going to live. I didn't know I was going to live in a r I didn't know I was going to live when the ambulance got there. Is quite frankly, all they did was make it worse. Each each place I went to, they'd made it worse. And until the doctor stepped in and did surgery, I didn't know if I was going to live or not. And so anyway, after that, I'm trying to recuperate my hand. Now I played guitar on my life. I play five six instruments, and that, once again is the art thing.

1:04:26 I've got to relearn how to use my right hand. Thank god I'm left handed, but I've got to reuse my right hand. I don't trust it. I can't pick up a glass of key with it. So my wife looks at me and says, look, I know how much you love this place. We're done, we were you are now retired, whether you like it or not. And at first I'm dude, I'm a red knak Uh, there's no other way to say it. I'm stubborn as all get out. At first, I was mad when she said that, but it took about two weeks for me to realize she's absolutely right. We're done. So we we put it on the market, put the place on the market. The house that we're trying to rebuild is not finished, but it's beautiful and it's in a picturesque location, and so we finally we get a buyer on it. We agree to a price, and we told our friends goodbye, which was very hard to do. You know, I've known these people for seven years at this point. Eight no, I'm sorry, nine years at this point, and we sold out. We moved to Fort pab Oklahoma. Right. I love hunting and fishing, and by the grace of God, now I don't have to maintain the lake. I don't have to cut the grass in the fields. I'll have to do nothing. I just go out of my front door, drive a half

1:05:58 a mile to the lake, and I'm fishing. And I've got good neighbors around me. Love this place. So, you know, the big Foot thing, I know, it's real. Like I said, I'm very much a novice. I'm not the guy that's going to tell you I'm a researcher, because I'm not. But it goes to the back of my mind again, I completely forget about it. Basically, I'm out here hunting for the first year and fishing, and now that summer's here, dude, I'm ready to fish spurring. I catch a lot of big striper and just blessed with a lot of fish. But there's this one area that everybody talks about. It's called Party Co right, anybody that lives around here knows Party Coat. Well, like I've told you before, I don't really like being around a whole bunch of people that I don't know. So I fish at night, especially the further you go into the summer. If you don't fish at night, you ain't gonna catch nothing because it's just brutal hot. Man. It's a hundred yesterday, our temperature was said you told me earlier you were up there and temperature was nice. It was all good, and I was just thinking, I'm laughing in my head. Our temperature was one hundred and six. With the heat index it was one hundred and twelve.

1:07:16 Oh my wow. You walk out, dude, you walk outside, you need another shower. It's that bad that you just sweat profusely. So anyway, if you're not fishing at night, you're not gonna catch anything, and it's pretty miserable unless you're out there skiing and playing, you know, on an inner taber or whatever. So I'm fishing at night. This is in June. And the other thing about night fishing, that's for me because I'm not good at it yet. If you're gonna throw a cast net to catch bait, to fish for catfish, guglime fish, it's hard to catch them. And during the day, especially if you don't know how to throw a cast snat well, if you do it at night, there are millions of them.

1:07:58 You catch them just throwing the net and lucky in it open a little bit he catch for five. So that's another reason I like tonight fish, so I can get my bait from my jug lines. Right, I'm over in this Party Cove area. Let me describe this to Fort Cob Lake. If I had to guess, it's probably five miles long, probably at its whitest, a mile and a half wide, maybe two miles. I may be telling this totally wrong, but the Party Cove area is probably five hundred yards across the probably two d and fifty three hundred yards, and beat all the party years are on the left hand side, so therefore I fish on the right hand side. Right I've been there's at night, I've got one of my dogs with me that loves to go fishing, and I hear something growling. I don't really pay that much attention to it, dude, because I'm I don't know, twenty five thirty feet deep of water fishing and I'm seventy yards off of the shore, if you will. And you got to remember, the cove is the cove, and then there's a big peninsula that comes out to my right. So I'm fishing and I hear this thing growling, I really don't think that much about it, because, dude, it ain't gonna come get me. I'm out in the water.

1:09:26 So and let me say this too. I have good lights on my boat, but I don't have nothing that's gonna shine one hundred yards away. I don't have anything that good, and I need to get it, but I just don't have it. So I wasn't thinking about trying to spotlight anything. I'm just saying about fishing. So I hear this thing growling that goes away after a little while. I'm still fishing, got music playing in the background. My dog's there with me, and then to my left about one hundred and fifty yards away. At first, I think, are you familiar with what a boat wake sounds like when it washes up on shore?

1:10:11 Not the most. Okay, Okay, so when a wake, when a boat wake washes up on shore, imagine a lot, lot, lot lower decibel sound. But imagine a wave crashing from the ocean to the shore and it makes a rolling sound. Okay. I hear that sound, and I'm like, well, that was odd. There hadn't been any boats out on the water set for mine that night, and I hear that sound. I thought, man, that's kind of odd. And then I heard it again, and then I heard it again, and then I heard it again. This is just odd. This doesn't make sense.

1:10:56 And remember I wasn't worried about that growling thing, right because I'm on the water, it's in the land. I'm not worried about it. I didn't put all this together until later, except for after hearing that sound of something washing up on shore several times, all of a sudden, dude, if I could, if I could have seen it, Let's say it was daylight. It had to have been the size and the density of a bowling bolt. Had to have been hits the water and makes a splash incredibly loud, about twenty foot away from my boat. Okay, Now there's big fish in this lake, big fish, and they jump all the time. But when they jump, they jump make a splash, and of course you hear it. You look see where the fish is. This was no fish, because a fish wouldn't have hit the water with that velocity and from that high in the air, and it wouldn't have made the sound of a big rock being thrown in the water. I'm talking a rock that a man would have had the granny throw between his legs, you know what I mean, like a granny pitch to a basketball or whatever. It's had to have been that big.

1:12:23 I didn't see it. I just heard it. It was twenty foot from my boat. My dog looked at me, and I looked at him, and I said, buddy, it's time to go. So we laughed. And I thought about it over the next few days, and that sound of something washing up on the water also sounded like I heard a cattle walking through water had of the same sound. And I heard you talking to a fellow the other day about one of them doing something over here to get your attention, to get it away from what's going on over there. Okay, I personally think I personally think that there was more than one walking through the water.

1:13:16 And those things are too big to make a little noise. They're too big in the water. They're too big to make it a little noise. You're gonna hear them. And then the thing so that's to my left, two hundred and fifty yards away, and then the thing throwing the rock at the water right by my boat, was drawing my attention away from that, and he did a really good job. Now I'm not like other people. I don't think I will ever get over the fear of these things, okay. And by the way, I think God gives us that fear for a reason. And here's another little giddy for you. I think that those things can project that to you. And I'll tell you why here in a second that happened to me. And Buddy got out of there and come home, and I told my wife about him. She said, don't you ever ask me to not fish again. I was like, this, ma'am, I won't do that. And she had all that in the Coleman that she wanted. She didn't want no more of that kind of stuff. And so anyway, that happened, and that was about June twenty fifth ish. Okay, so it's not going to stop me from fishing at night. I am going to be very cautious.

1:14:37 Ever since that day, I've been shopping for a spotlight big enough to put in my boat and look all around. I hadn't found it yet, but I'm still looking. And but I hadn't forgot about it either, right, So that happened June twenty fifish. So the fourth of July, this lake is popping with people. There's probably ten thousand people down here on the fourth that I'm not exaggerating. There's people everywhere. So it's like, okay, it's time for you to let them have the de lay and you just kind of stay away. Now. I will also tell you that that's just me, because that's just kind of how I roll. But the fireworks displays that people put on on the fourth are fun, nominal.

1:15:25 Big for society will be right back after these messages. It's amazing to see on the water. It's beautiful to watch all the fireworks. So anyway, one of my buddies, Fuld, said, you've been out vision to ask no man, plead to meet people to get and he said, didn't destripe for a run, and you better get on them. So he taught me into it right, and he wasn't able to go. So a lot of times it's just me and my dog. So me and my dog jump in the boat, we take off out there. Fourth did youuly party cove on the left hand side, there's literally five hundred people over there.

1:16:15 I'm fishing. I'm trolling, which you put a lure out behind your boat about sixty yards and you just troll with whatever you think of. Fish will bite and we all talk to each other. Okay, today they're on white, today they're on brown or chocolate, you know, whatever the case may be. And so I'm trolling all the people over here doing their thing, partying, swimming, having a good time. And I trolled that cove several times because I'm catching fish over there. It's a very fishy cove even though there's that many people there. The other weird deal dude, is the deer don't care that those people are there. The people are on one side of the cove. There's deer grazing on the other side of the cove, and I'm watching all this, just snickering because me and other deer hunters spend lots too much money trying to hunt deer.

1:17:03 And when people are out there partying with their music going, the deer out there like they're kind of rocking along. I don't know, but anyway, so the deer they don't care that people are there. Now, another thing I've noticed is if you get too close and you don't have music going, the deer disappears. They don't want to be around it because then I think they've got their hackles up there something telling them, hey, this guy's watching us or something. When I'll be around it. So anyway, the deer are calm. There's people partying, the deer out drinking on one tip to the point, and I just happened to glance back in the woods and it would be on the north side. I sent you that picture of the aerial of the lake. It's going to be on the north side of party cove. Now I know that other folks may not be able to see this or whatever, but there's a there's a mat with a boat ramp on one side, and if you draw a forty five degree angle across that lake, that big cove over there's part cove. So the south side where all the people are doing their thing. The north side is heavily wooded back in the corner. And all of this, by the way, is public hunting land, although there's not that many people that hunt it. And so I'm trolling through there and I happen to glance up into the woods because I'm just wanting to see if there's any big bucks or whatever.

1:18:25 And this is the first time that I have a sighting. And this makes no sense because it's the middle of the day, two o'clock in the afternoon, freaking hove. And I glance up into the deep woods and you can see from about twelve foot down up there, it's big oak trees, beautiful, but it's also heavily wooded. There's a lot of woods out on the lake, and then there's kind of a grassland area and then heavy woods again back up in there about one hundred and fifty yards and their one stood dude and I'm not talking about a deer. I'm talking about a bigfoot. And now I'm about two hundred yards away, so I can't make out any facial detail or anything like that. The thing was jet black. It was back in the woods. Wasn't out on the shore or anything, but back up in the woods.

1:19:19 And it looked like Hulk Hogan. It looked like, uh, the green dude, the big muscle green dude, I'm old. I don't remember the name right now. Yeah, but but but but bigger bowling ball shoulders. The thing had to have been. And now you remember, this is from one glance, and I'm putting this together over time in my mind what I saw, because quite frankly, I didn't believe that when I saw it, and I think most people the first time they ever see one, they don't believe it. Right there, they're mine, can't rationalize it. But I've been back to that spot a hundred times, and I've looked in those woods, even with my binoculars, one hundred times since then. And yes, there's some shadows in there, but there's nothing that's jet black, and there's nothing that's that big and that wide with a head on it. Now, this is a two hundred yard away siding. But the thing was, Oh, it had to have been seven eight foot tall, and it had to be four or five foot wide. I'm talking. I would never want to be close to that thing. So I saw it that day, just for a split second. And I mean it was just a split second. I turned around and I couldn't

1:20:49 recognize in my mind what I saw. So I'm back to fishing. At that moment, I couldn't recognize it. It didn't click until a day later. Dude, you saw one. You saw the shadow of one on the fourth of July. Now here's the deal. People can believe me or not. It's fine. I don't care. But I know what I saw, and if I don't see something, I'm not going to say it. So and like I said, it took me a long time for my mind to rationalize what I saw. But then back to night fishing. About three weeks later, it's getting along into August now and it's oh my god, it's brutal. Heart So you if you fish at all, you fish at six am until eight am, or you fish from nine pm until two am. And that's what I was doing. And I was back over in that cove.

1:21:42 Now here's the deal. There's tons of shad over there, which is our bait fish, and I'm casting in that with shad. I hear something on the opposite side of the cove. Do an alcohol, but it ain't. Now I've heard plenty of barn ows and it ain't and out but it's doing it. Call. I didn't pay any attention to it at first. I'm casting my net. I've got five or six shad the dogs with me in the boat. I cast it again, a couple more shad, and I don't know how to describe this or whatever. It quite frankly don't make any sense to me. But all of a sudden, I got scared. As crap, my legs started shaking.

1:22:31 I got scared. And now, when you're casting for shad, if you're no good at it like I am, you don't do it when you're in eight, nine, ten, twelve foot of water. You do it in three foot of water, so you're close to shore. Okay, this lake is a real sandy bottom in a lot of areas, and so it's really shallow in a lot of areas. And all of a sudden, dude, I got freaking scared. And I looked at the dog and I said, let's go. I've got enough shad. So I fired up the boat and I got out of there. And as I was leaving from across the other side again I heard the alcohol again.

1:23:11 Now here's the deal. Put this in your mind. All of the action that I had witnessed or been preevy to it has been on the far north side of that coat. I was on the far south side. I had no reason to get steared done. But all of a sudden I started shaking, and something in my head said get out of there. So I've learned over my many years to listen. My son and I were up elk hunting and he encountered a big bear at about twenty yards. We didn't have a license for a bear.

1:23:52 We were bow hunting. And now here's the deal. It was my son, my thirty three year old that I I raised and had in the woods all his life, and he was yelling, hey bear. But I could have I didn't think it was him. I truly thought there was someone else up there yelling hey bear. But it was him, and he was so excited that his voice had changed. Okay, I think there's times and I think there's times in people's lives where there's adrenaline. Everything is telling you this is a very dangerous situation and you got to get away from it. And I can't explain why, but that's what I felt that night. Like I said, I've been within two foot of bears. I had one in the back of my pick up one time due after a ham that we had in a fueler the night before. I didn't realize there was a bear in my truck and I grabbed it from the edge of a pretty steep bang and I pulled over and I'm looking at that bear pretty much face to face. So I've been in some very scary situations. I dove it.

1:24:59 By the way, it just quick side note. I dove in my truck. The bear jumped out of my truck and I was scared to death. I rolled the windy down. My brother in law was with me, and I yelled, and he immediately threw his stuff in there and took off running across. I think the boy walked on water. He was running across the top of the tree and this bear ran off, and this couple come up said, sir, do you know you had a bear in the back of your truck. That's just ma'am. We met, so I bet in some crazy, crazy situations. But as I drove off, I heard drove off with my boat from that spot, I heard that I'll call three distinct calls and then shut up. And my thinking was whatever had waded across that area that night that the thing threw the rock at me was over right by me. In other words, not the big dude, but maybe his family members. I don't know how this work was over by me on the opposite shore where I was casting my net, and when he did those alcohols. This is just my mind.

1:26:12 It could be wrong, it could be right. I don't know. Whatever it was projected something to me and scared the living crap out of me, and I knew it was time to leap. And then I heard those three distinct alcohols as I was leaving, and it was not an owl. So and. There in a minute, there's a question I want to ask you about that. Yeah, no, I was just going to say, I mean, besides that, man, I raised a garden over here. I hunt and still plan to, and I love fishing in the lake. But if you look up big foot sidings in Oklahoma, there's been several sightings of Bigfoot around this lake.

1:26:58 There's been several sidings in a little bitty town only five six miles from here, five maybe ten fifteen miles from here. And then of course you got everything in the eastern part of the state. So if you did an aerial map of Oklahoma, all of that land from down there where the Eastern Mountains are down there, all the way through Macomb, where we used to live, all the way up to here, which is two and a half hours west of there. There's mountain ranges within that area. There's creets. My god, the lakes are everywhere. Those things could travel all the way through Oklahoma, and as stealthy as they are, they could avoid humans unless they basically wanted humans to know they were there. And I personally think, personally think because of the other things that I've experienced in my life, it opened me up to be able to experience that, If that makes any sense, I almost think I've been marked in a way, because you can be spiritually marked right in a good way or a bad way. And I believe personally, I believe I've had

1:28:30 three or four Guardian angels that have retired because of me and the way I because they're like bedore us out man, you know. I mean all the different things that's happened in my life that I've been a part of. I've been so blessed in life and so fortunate in life. I had a debilitating back injury happened early in life. I deal with a lot of pain, but but I don't That's not what I choose to focus on. I choose to focus on the memories of taking a one man basketball down the Rio Grand River to try to catch a big fish and getting it done, and the almost dying on the way trying to get out of the river. I remember things like that, and I think God lets you experience things to shape you into the person that he wants you to be. But so that that are my that are my Those are my my sightings. Man.

1:29:29 That's that's what I've experienced. Is those what four or five things in my life as far as big Foot's related. But people can laugh at me all day or say there's no way they're real, and I'm sorry, but they are. Uh, there's things in this world that we don't understand. I agree with you. Thank you for sharing those So when you were over in Fort Cobb Lake. You said there was a point where you were like, you heard it's time to go now. Did you actually hear something in your mind or you were just like have the vibe where it's like, all right, time to go.

1:30:11 It was just the vibe, dude. I didn't have a a I didn't have a mind speak. Although after listening to some of the folks on your podcast, I'm open to that. Like I said, there's things that we don't understand in this world and for people to be smug enough to think that they know it, all human beings are the most smug preachers. Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

1:30:59 Were supposed to be on the top of the food chain, Give me a break. Don't go in the ocean. Don't go out on the coast of Florida and wait around too much in the ocean, you realize real quick you're not top of the food chain. Right. There are things in all areas of this world that can and will kill and eat you. And I think that the spiritual side of the whole big Foot phenomenon is so real and so tangible. But you've got to be willing to open your mind up to it. And if you're not, you're not. You know, if there's I'm sure there's people that are gonna listen to this laugh all day long.

1:31:39 That dumb Redney. That's fine. I don't care. The things I've seen, I've seen and there's no reason not to tell people. So what what do you mean by the spiritual side of Bigfoot? Oh? Dude, come on anywhere anywhere there's anywhere there's name of things happening. There's there's tales of Bigfoot that go back. These these things go back, dude for eons of time, right, And I've heard you ask guys before, what do you think they are? Well, I think they're they're descendants of Niphyl. Okay, the the Bible says there's nothing new in this world. Okay, well, I don't know why. But our government one hundred years ago are almost two hundredyears ago. Now, no, it was two hundredews ago. I'm sorry, decided that we don't need to know that there was giants in this world. They've hit it off, right, but if you dig into it, they're there. Uh. The whole red headed thing, A whole bunch of people report seeing red headed bigfoots. When the fallen a little bit of a Bible lesson when the fallen decided to fall to earth and leave their heavenly physicians.

1:32:57 They've made it with earthly women because they found them beautiful. Well they're right, they are beautiful. But they made it with them and created giants. Right, there's giant genealogy to this day. I mean that's where you know, we think seven foot tall Shaq is freaking giant, and he is. Please don't misunderstand that that man is giant, but not compared to what used to be here. Oh absolutely, I mean way bigger stuff. Yeah, way bigger and so okay. Also, there's something I hadn't even looked. You know. What's funny enough that two pages of note I didn't even looked down once. I hadn't looked. I'd read a single note. But there was a gentleman the other day talking about what happened in lake Ford County. Could I set the record straight on that a little bit?

1:33:54 Yeah, okay, go for it. He didn't say anything wrong. I just don't think he knows the whole sport, all right, the whole story of Laford County. That name Lafleur was a chief. He was an Indian, He was a native chief. He was well known in that area in the early eighteen hundred, eighteen fifty or not fifteen eighteen fifteen, Okay, and you remember me talking about the Trail of Tears. His people were pushed I believe, from Georgia or South Carolina, Georgia in that area Alabama, pushed into Oklahoma in eighteen fifteen. They landed basically in lafora county down there. Uh, they set up camp, the natives did, and they set up their homes.

1:34:47 It wasn't camp where there's gonna live. They set it up. There were a few white people in the area at that time, the mainly fur traders. Not much more than fur traders in that time. It's way way early in America. Most people haven't left the East Coast at this point. And so anyway, they set up their tents. And now I don't want to go too deep into this, but they their particular people had a issue with the time of the month that women go through. We all know what I'm talking about. So they actually put an area outside of tent. They set up through three tenths for sick people. And for women that that was happening with that was their tradition. That's the way I've heard it, Okay, And then and this is just when they set up everything.

1:35:48 This is and by the way, I don't know any of this to be true. There's no way I could, but I've heard the stories down through time enough that this is what I believe. They started having livestock disappear, and when I say livestock, whatever Indians considered livestock, which was dogs, horses, chickens, whatever, disappear and be gone. And people started complaining to the floor. Who was at that time a young man, and he was a he was well known at that point, but he was still a young man. Uh and he was a leader in the in the in the native area, and he had a bunch of young men with him in their tribe. People started complaining that their livestock was being taken, and whoever did it was incredibly sneaky because they'd never seen them. Okay.

1:36:46 Then all of a sudden, women started coming up missing, a few children started coming up missing. And so at that point Lafour and his men said, We're not putting up with this for one more second. Of course, their native They know how to hunt, they know how to track, so they start tracking what's going on, and they get to an area that they only described as absolutely gruesome, where there were parts of bodies laying around and in a pile, so to speak, and there was defecation around those parts. And they were furious because these men that had stole their women and their and their livestock had just basically cannibalized them. Okay, keep that in your mind, and I'm going to finish this story, and then I want to tie this to the Nephelone thing. They had cannibalized them, and so they started yelling and hooping. And now by this time they did have a few long rifles, what they called the smokeholes in the group. Two or three men had them. Most were armed with their bows and their knives. And a big foot stepped out. Of course, they didn't know what that's what that was. They just called it a giant carryman and it charged Lafleur. He was in the front. The leaders are supposed to lead

1:38:18 from the front. He was in the front, and when it charged, he charged right. They were so infuriated by what they saw that all fear went out the window. They were there to kill them, and there were according to the legend, this is all legend, there were four or five of the creatures. I'm not going to call them animals. I don't think they I think they're part but maybe not all. There were four or five of the creatures there, and Lafleur was tangled up. It was no fistfight, That's what I want to straighten out. He had shot the thing and wounded the thing and proceeded to go, and he thought he had killed it. He proceeded to go cut his head off with his knife.

1:39:10 That was what he was after, right, He was wanting to show that he was the boss, and he was able to do that. Right when he went to do that, the thing tore eman happened to his head off, to la Floor's head off. His men then set in on those animals and killed them. So according to that legend, they're flesh and blood. They sat in on them and shot and killed until they killed them all, and reportedly cut one of them's head off and took it back with him. And that's where that man, that cheek was so well known that his name is the name of that county. It wasn't on this fight. It was a fight to live. That's the legend that I heard, and I've seen it told and heard it told four different ways, so that I just wanted to square that that's that's the legend that I've heard. Well, I'm not saying anybody else is wrong, but it was so much more than just a fistfight.

1:40:22 So but yeah, absolutely, how what kind of people did you hear your version from. I'm just curious because it's it's pretty much grown in different eras different ways. I've googled it and I've read the legend that way, and then I've read different reports from different people, including a native report, not firsthand, but read an account of it from them. So that's the legend that I've heard. And it was there were only one or two bird trappers white men in the area at that time when that happened. And then Laflora County the name Laflora County comes from the man who died in that battle, so it was it wasn't all out siege as far as I'm concerned. And that is, by the way, dude, that's right there by Boggy Creek. I mean, you're only traveling sixty sixty miles to Boggy Creek. Yeah, where there were running such as that. Okay, So now I have seen and heard people say about gifting and leaving gifts and all that. Well, they're on a different level from me.

1:41:43 I fully believe what they're talking about. And maybe someday I'll get there. I kind of doubt it, but maybe I will. Who knows what's planning. But I have a very healthy fear in respect of those things. Oh absolutely, I think anyone should have. I cannot have that, yeah, oh absolutely. And not only do I have that fear and respect, but they were here before us. They have every right to be here. They have every right to be here. And I, personally, this is my own personal thought. When that thing was telling me to leave, or telling or drawing my attention away from the waiting that was going on around beside me, I would have been a complete fool not to bow out and leave right the thing is telling me, Hey, And now look at it this way. What if it was you and your family. What if you were over in the woods and some old boy pulls up Parks's both there, and you're cool with it, but then here comes your family. That is a half of my eye.

1:42:52 I am out a half of my probably four hundred yards away waiting in the water. Well. That creature doesn't know if I'm friendly or a freak with a ar right exactly, and so he has he has every right to tell me to get out of there. So and so I'm always going to you know, if there ever comes a day when something more than that happens, I will let you know. But but uh, I'm going to respect them. I don't want to kill one. I hope no one ever kills one. I don't need them to be I don't need them to be discovered. As far as I'm concerned, our government probably already knows they're here. I don't need them to be discovered, right, I mean other people want that.

1:43:42 Other people want to lay a dead one on a table. That's ludicrous to me. Leave them alone, Let them do their thing. Now. If you want to go go research them and learn about them, by all means, get after it. But if you want to go in the woods just to kill one, you just don't, because you're killing a higher being, if it's even possible. I think more researchers need to be aware of what could happen to them if they're going out and read. And I don't think people are aware of what could potentially happen. You can be affected physically and you have to be aware of that that stuff can happen.

1:44:27 Did the infrasound thing, That's what that was that night. That's that good feeling that hit me. That that's what it was. I listened to that. That lady up in Washington, I'm not real good with names. Uh, very pretty long, gray haired lady that's a very spiritual person, has been around them a long time and she was hit with in forsound and described it and that's what happened to me. M. He has researched them for years. She highly respects them, and and I believe everything the woman says because it comes from her heart and can tell it's easy. But as far as the tie to the Nephelum, okay that they're called in the Bible the great men of Old Okay, or they did, it's very briefly mentioned in Genesis the the the giants of Old, and but so the following bread with Earth's women and created giants. The whole reason for the flood was to then that out to wipe them off the face, right, because not because they were here, but because they were eating and killing men. Anytime a giant was around they they were known to be cannibalistic. Okay,

1:46:02 is that kind of check a box. Here's the other thing that I've read. So if you're going to read something, if you're going to dive into something, just dive. In big, for society will be right back after these messages. And so I fully believe in the Bible. Well, I've also heard of the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch. Enoch goes and talks to the giants and talks to the fallen ones and says, this is what God is saying, and this is what you're doing, and He is very displeased with you. Therefore, this is what's fixing to happen. Right.

1:46:57 The Book of Enoch really gets deep into it. Okay, Well, those giants have always been said of those giants that they're red headed. Okay, they've always been known to be redheaded. Now, think about the natives that are from Arizona that had battles with red headed giants to take over that land or Nevada where I know it's out in that country and I've been out there, beautiful country by the way, and then they found the bones of those beings of those giants were the natives. So here's the deal. This is what's funny. You know. People say, well, you can't really believe native stories. Oh really, the natives for years, the natives for years. Well they all say, well, it's all legend, it's all here. Say well, okay, natives never wrote things down. They told it to their children in such a way that was so dynamic that it's still remembered a thousand years later. Right, So I believe that as much as I believe written word, because written word had to come from someone's mind. It didn't show up unless you talk about Jesus. It is a word. But so anyway, one of the things that those creatures were known for doing, the Giants of old was not only

1:48:28 getting women from camps and capturing them and even taking children, eating some and breeding was some but one of the other reasons that God was so furious as they were also breeding with animals. Okay, most people have probably never heard that, And I just went off the deep end for some people. And so how far a stretches it to say, because if you look back on the hominid record, Okay, how many different hominids has there been? If you look back there there are known six or eight different subspecies of human Over I don't know. I'm not into the millions of years saying. I'm more in the line with the Bible. Over thousands of years, there's been different subspecies of humans. It's proven they found their skulls. So there's a little bitty three foot four foot, then there's big big uh. There's a fossil record of different subspecies. Okay.

1:49:39 One of the reasons in if I'm not mistaken in the Book of Being not could be wrong. But the giants also they were basically they took whatever they wanted, they ate whatever they wanted, they did whatever they wanted. So over time did their offspring past flood? Because if you read the Bible thoroughly, didn't David kill a giant? To Philistine? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, wasn't. Wasn't that past the flood? There was past Noah's day, way passed Noah's day, and David killed a giant. When the Israelites took the land two thousand years ago, the reports from Moses sent out twelve spies or Aaron sent out twelve spies. Ten of them come back. Said, there's no way we can take that. There's giants in that land.

1:50:43 We look like grasshoppers compared to them. Think about that. So how big were they? So? In other words, even though the flood denned out all of that dramatically, there were still giants in the land after the days of Noah. Oh yeah, it's absolutely multiple. Well, they're red headed. They're red headed. They do what they want, when they want, how they want. Think about the natives in Arizona, Nevada that had to chase them into a cave after being killed and slaughtered. A bunch of natives got together and chased them into a cave.

1:51:31 The chief ordered that that big cave in Nevada. You can go look at the cave to this day and there's still burn marks in there. By the way, the chief ordered the people to pile brush on that cave and they burn them. They smoked them and kill them. We blocked cave. Yeah, yeah, and so it dude, I mean, you start putting all these puzzle pieces together. Man, there's so much more to this world that we don't know. Quite frankly, because a long time ago, our government decided we didn't need to know. Although if you go back far enough, Abraham Lincoln asked if there were still giants in the land. It's in his memoir. Diodore Roosevelt has an account of the Bigfoot by Washington. It's in his memoir.

1:52:23 So that was before they, you know, whoever decided to take all of this away and nobody needs to know about it. All of that stuff is back there if you go back there, and Big Barner so dude, to me, it's very connected to the natives. The natives, some people say, at one time lived with them in certain areas, they worked with them in certain areas, but in other areas, the beings, the creatures, whatever you want to call them, were much more hostile, and they couldn't. I don't know if that's gemographical. I don't. I just don't know. I don't know how to describe that, because I know in certain areas up in Washington and in that area, there's people that have had very deep contact with them and live to talk about it. It's just part of their their way of life. But if you go to Alaska, the same thing that happened in Laflora county happened in Alaska.

1:53:26 The exact same thing you talk port Lock, port Lock, Yes, the exact same thing that happened in lafora county happened in port Lock. And there and the natives up there, the Alaskans up there, still talk about it to this day. That happened what in the thirties, forties, fifties somewhere there. Yeah, it's quite a while ago, but it is so. But anyways, it's very interesting. Why do you start to connect things together like this? For sure? Oh, it is so so here you know. Earlier in this I told you to maybe maybe get a chart. How many people have made of DNA that deal with them, and I know some that deal with them don't. How many people are spiritually connected in more than one way, how many people that have had undeniable paranormal things happen. All of that lines up, All of it checks box after box after box after box. And I think also that these things are so much more intelligent than just an animal, right, Honestly, I think that we don't know the intelligence level of animals. Right. I've got dogs that I've got a dog that's learned how to open a door, that should animals are so much

1:54:59 smart and deserve so much more respect than we give them. And I'm a hunter and a fisherman, so you know, I'm a very weird person, I guess, but I've learned of noth in life to know to respect things. And also, I'll tell you this if nobody hears anything else from this, if you ever encounter one and you don't know what to do, you ask Jesus for help. If you're scared to death that something is going to do something to you that you don't want done, you say the name of Jesus, get away from me, and it has to flee. And by the way, I think that's connected too. So I think that there's so much more to this world that we don't understand. I would love to understand more.

1:55:50 When I get to heaven, I will So I've got a lot of questions. Absolutely absolutely, Oh man, what a what an interesting conversation and a lot of stuff I didn't know we would get there, but uh, it's very very cool. And uh, Steve, just just thank you for for chatting and hanging out. And if people have also been having issues in the same areas that you mentioned, definitely feel free to reach out or put those in the comments for sure. Yeah, yeah, I will. I mean, I'm no researcher by any means, but I'm not against looking into it deeper. I gotta be honest with Jeremy. I I have gotten off my boat and went up into that point, which is it's it's on the public land because you can camp on it, but there are people that homes homes way back behind it. So I'm not going to journey deep into it. But quite frankly, I've been too scared to journey deep into it, right, So but I'm gonna I'm going to ease up in there and just see what I see. See if I tree breaks, because I expect to see things now, footprints. Our land gets very hard around here when we've been in a drought for a while, so those are coming and go. I mean, you know, if you get you just have to be lucky to get one. But tree breaks and things like that, I almost expect to see it, I really do. So

1:57:22 if I see those things, I'd be glad to report it. Uh. And I'm on Facebook. If someone wants to look me up and bother me whatsoever. Uh, you know, just just be be kind right, all you got. To do just yea, but right, man, keep me in the loop with if you find anything, if you do take a closer look. But man, Steve, it's been fun chatting with you. And thanks again. Man, Oh dude, you're You're more than welcome. I love doing it. Uh, it's uh, it's it's fantastic to know that there are good people with good hearts that look at these things inquisitively and just want to know more. Right, And I've seen I haven't actually did a handshake and met, but I've seen so much of that on your channel that it's just very encouraging, man, So keep up what you doing for sure.

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2:00:31 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you've ever seen one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you.

2:01:15 You have shame on you.