Bigfoot Strangeness in the Berkshires!

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1:07 How's it going man, Hey, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here. Glad to talk about this to someone who will listen. Absolutely. I mean, it's always a great time when we're able to talk Bigfoot and give individuals a safe place to share what they've experienced. But you know, Nate, I want to make sure that you've got all the time that you need tonight, because it sounds like we have a fair amount of things to go over. But I feel free, you know, if there's anything else that listeners need to know context wise about yourself, feel free to share that. But I'll also let you get right into it.

1:49 Man, Great, Well, Yeah, I'm living now in the Berkshires right on the border of Massachusett, New York in Connecticut, and grew up in Colorado. Spent most of my you know, all my childhood there and then some of my younger adult years there and plenty of weird experiences, but nothing Bigfoot related out there. Nothing until I got out here. I spent most of my career working in the nonprofit sector, working for different conservation organizations in Massachusetts and New York, and kind of where my high strangeness in my one potential siding happened is in eastern New York, right on the border of Massachusetts, where I was working for a conservation organization and I was working as a basically a cartographer but more using GPS and GIS to make maps and document properties that we're going under what's called the conservation easement, where they give up their development rights or a certain amount of their development rights in exchange for

3:20 protecting the land and also getting some kind of tax break. So in my specific role with this organization, I got to go all over this amazing county to incredible private properties, public properties, you know, private properties owned by rich and famous and wealthy and you know people that built the US, you know, like Rockefellers and people like that. So it was a pretty cool job where I got to see a lot of places that not a lot of people went to all this time. Bigfoot was never on my brain.

4:02 You know, I was a big fan of Harry and the Anderson's growing up, but you know, it kind of gone on into different interests after that, and you know, have always been interested in nature, but you know, Bigfoot was definitely not on my brain at that point in time. And so you know, kind of as before I get in my siding here kind of gives some antidotal evidence of some of the things that were happening. Typically in my job, I would be the the person that would be carrying the GPS and also a big giant antanna sticking out the top of a big, bright yellow backpack, so very cumbersome, you know, couldn't get into a lot of tight spaces. So I would typically have my coworker would be in front of me and she'd be going around, you know, I'd be telling her where we're headed, and she would kind of be in front of me, making sure I'm not going to run into a tree or step off a cliff, that type of thing. And so one of the big running gags that always happened to us as we're doing this is that, you know, she just kept feeling that I was kicking rocks at her, throwing rocks at her all the time. You know, like in a lot of times, you know, maybe I was because I had this GPS unit that I was kind of focused on and not really focused on my feet.

5:31 But there's no way that I'm hitting here with all these rocks that she's complaining about. And then half the time I'm also getting pegged with acorns or pine cones or rocks as well, so, you know, two smart people never really questioned why this was happening, you know, just kind of focused on our job, just kept kind of going along. One of the other things that my my coworker blame me for, which I know was not my fault, was she had this beautiful kind of sky blue Subaru that was pretty brand new, and we would take it on a lot of these these work excursions that we'd go on and all you know, we'd be parking some of some cases, you know, out in the middle of a property that you know no one's on, not even a caretaker, you know, no one's been on for months or a year even, and we'd be parking off of main roads, you know, up woods Wood Roads and things like that, and her car started getting these giant white masses on there. They're like handprints, and you know, she kept blaming me, like, you know, like you putting your sunscreen on and then you're touching my car stop it, and you know, these these big white smudges just would not come out no matter what we did. You know, you'd basically have to scratch the finished to get these things off. You know, so I apologize, you know, I

7:06 took the blame. I didn't know what to think other than you know, it wasn't me. I'm not touching the car all over, but you know, it's it's just one of those things. Looking back on now what I've kind of heard reports of, you know, it makes me think that it wasn't me, that something else could have been out there. And you know, like other reports that I hear, we you know, we'd have these great properties that we're going to and sometimes had the amazing natural features on them, you know, different things like waterfalls, natural springs, caves, you know, different things, and you know they're I don't know, more often than not, every time there was a special place that we'd really want to get to. For some reason, another we can never get to our final destination because the equipment would have some kind of malfunction. The GPS would say we're two miles north of where we actually were, you know, and we would always have multiple different pieces of equipment, you know, to make sure that we were able to do our work with a certain degree of accuracy, and so you know, it was really impossible for some of these multiple things to be acting up the way that they were, you know, and especially you know this one case where we are trying to get to the

8:37 entrance to this cave. You know, it just didn't add up. You know, we're we're fully charged batteries. You know, we have we can tell how many satellites are up in the sky that you know, are providing more data to us to triangulate where our location is so that our accuracy improves, so that you know, everything's showing that we should collecting data and moving where we should. But weird things happening, you know, like and sometimes we couldn't get to these locations. Sometimes we'd have to come back on a different day to try and get there, and just a lot of a lot of weird stuff like that.

9:17 One of the weirdest things that we had happened to us is, as I said, some of these properties, you know, they're they're owned by very wealthy people and you know, maybe they haven't visited the property and you know a long time. That was the case with this one property we're at and as we're you know, going up the driveway, the grass is about three feet tall, and it just got the spooky vibe to it, even though the house is you know, kind of like a newish type house. But you know, there's just the lawns uncapped. It doesn't look like anybody's been there. And you know, so we can on a knock on the door, just as we do typically to let people know that we're there to walk the property and do our job. We kind of slip a little note in the door, walk behind the house, go out into the woods, kind of do our little walk around the property. Make sure you know, they haven't built any structures where they shouldn't have. Blah blah blah.

10:19 Come back, and on our way back past this house, there's this giant organ fresh organ, sitting on I believe it was a burdock leaf. You know, it looked like it was presented to us. I don't we both of us swear that it wasn't there as we walked out there, because we passed, you know, right by where this thing ended up on our way back, and you know, neither of us saw it when we were going out there, but it was one of the weirdest things that ever ever occurred to us. And you needless to say, we got the heck out of dodge as soon as we saw that. So all that kind of took place between twenty ten twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen. Probably, I think it was probably in May, getting up as a normally dude getting out the door to head up to work six thirty, you know, six forty five something like that. And the way I got to work up in Chatham, New York was taking the Daconic State Parkway. It's it's a beautiful road that kind of gives you an alternate drive to get up from New York City, you know, basically up to I ninety, which would get you to Albany. It's

11:50 a fifty mile an hour road, two lanes in either direction, and there's no commercial traffic allowed, so it's, you know, it's a very leisurely country drive. You know, it's it's slower than taking some of the other routes, but it's a nice route to travel, and so I, you know, I loved it. There's lots of asia every every day when I was out there because traveling when I traveled that time of morning, there was typically no one out there, so I'd see a lot of deer, a lot of hawks, whatever. On this particular morning, as I said, it was you know, sometime in early spring before everything was fully greened out.

12:32 But you know, start starting to get there, and I'm heading up north on the Parkway, and on either side of the road, both north and southbound, there's there's steep embankments off either side of the road. You know, they go down. Sometimes there could be little creeks at the bottoms, you know, patches of forest to the north and southbound lanes right next to each other. Sometimes there could be quite a bit of land in between. And so as I'm heading northbound, I'm kind of at the base of this hill. And this hill has a large rock outcropping that basically was you know, half of it was blasted away to make this portion of the road, and so it's this large cliff faced on the right side, which would be heading east from the west side left lane.

13:34 I see just something get up over the guard rail when I'm at the base of this hill, and I can see it's perfectly kind of silhouetted with the sky behind it, and it makes one bound kind of in the middle of the road goes horizontal and then you know it's completely off into the median after that. And so I'm at the base of this hill and I'm like, I'm gunning it, wont I want to see what this is. I'm you know, I'm pretty close. I'm one hundred yards seventy five hundred yards away from this thing as I see it. So if I can get up this hill, I'm going to be able to see this thing on the on this rock cliff, or you know, maybe it hasn't been able to climb up the rock face, because whatever it is, it's going to have a tough time regardless.

14:25 So I get up to the top of the hill and there's there's nothing there. I mean, it's fifty sixty foot rock face, you know, pretty much straight up. If if it's a deer, they're you know, probably not even getting up it. If it's a billy goat, maybe it's getting up you know, halfway, Like I should be able to see whatever this thing was, and there's there's nothing there. And I, you know, I'm kind of looking in the rear view as I'm driving by, like still thinking, you know, what the heck is this? Where did that thing go? Because I know the land up up there, there's it's just amazing it disappeared out of nowhere. And as I'm you know, driving away, I'm thinking about, you know, okay, what did I see what did I see? Like, you know, was it a mountain lion? Like, no, there there wasn't a mountain.

15:22 Lion big for a society who will be right back after these messages. There was no tail. The color was this amber strawberry blondish type color as it was shining in the sun. It you know, it didn't match up with the length because you know, when I think look back and think about it, the length of this thing was basically two thirds of both of those lanes, which would be sixteen to eighteen feet long toe to tip of hand. And you know, that's not a deer. That's not a mountain lion. Like, I don't know anything that's around there that would be that long. It's not a coyote, you know, like there's nothing that kind of matches up with the length of this thing as I saw it go horizontal as it bounded across the road. So you know, I tried to sell myself on the it was a mountain lion for a little bit, but it just it didn't match up, and so it just puzzled me for years, and I you know, I kind of I told my coworker that I do all all this work with and you know,

16:55 tried to try to convince her as I was convincing myself that I saw a mountain lion. But it's still it wasn't a mountain lion because I kept saying it, you know, I didn't have the tail in the color. The color was like this, you know, orange is amber almost like close to a rangutain color, but not quite. And so you know, I don't know, I don't know what I saw. But one of the things that that made me think it was interesting, you know, years later, I come across, you know, one of one of these videos all Town Monsters, and they're talking about the Kinderhood Creek Monster, and I'm like, oh man, that's that's close to this. That's everything that this guy is talking about sounds an awful lot like what I saw. Did I did I see a big foot? Like? You know? And so that's that's where I'm at now with that is you know, it's it's the closest thing that I compared it to. I you know, the thing for me that I never saw it stand up, you know, and so like I'm judging this thing based upon the length as it crossed the road, but I don't know anything that that's that long as it goes horizontal from you know, toe to the end of its you know what would be as hands I guess, you know, as it's as

18:25 it's bounding across the road. Nathan, That's where I'm. At, Nathan. That's that's a fascinating sighting, and I definitely have a few few questions for you about it. So the first thing you noticed was you saw the silhouette of it. Did when you saw that siloette, probably just for a very short time, did you notice anything interesting or any details about the way that that silhouette looked. Just you know it it seemed in looking back, it seemed hunched over as it got over the guardrail, which makes sense because like I said, like it was it was coming up kind of a steep embankment, and you know, I couldn't make out any features. But you know, the biggest thing to me was like just the the quickness that this thing kind of just made this one move to cross both lanes. You know, like dear anything else, you know, they would have they would have taken multiple steps, but this thing was so smooth. It came up over the guardrail and just across there and then you know, I wish I couldn't see it maneuver up this rock phase because that that must have been just as equally as effortless, you know, like it just disappeared of this thing.

19:53 So that's all I can say. You know that the one thing that I kind of think about from time to time is that, you know, all my years driving up and down this iconic state parkway, and this is this is a little more of it. So I apologize to some of the listeners here. But you know, things get hit on the road, and so there's a specific you know, road crew division, you know that that goes up and down the parkway. You know, it's I don't know, I guess it's probably New York Dot or something, but they collect a lot of these things that have been hit on the road, and I've seen them in certain locations, you know, where there's this giant steep embankment off the side of the road, just tossing these things in number off the side of the road, like down you know, some of these things are forty fifty feet down from the you know, where the road is, so you know, no one's going to see them or smell them, but there may be other things interested in them, So you know that was that was one of the things that I you know, I always thought about afterwards, is you know, like you know, there could be something down there that's you know, attracting attracted them other than you know, this is just happens to be where they chose to cross the road. Like I feel that there there had to be something there that they were they were after to

21:24 be there in this location when there was many possible locations where they would have been concealed. No, I think that's a that's a great theory because it's like, you know, you're making it easy for him. You're toss and you're pretty much making it well, yeah, buffet in a way up and down the road and not to get you know, too grosser or whatever. But another interesting thing is I bet those dot guys have probably seen some stuff and they probably just don't talk about it. But there's got to be one Dot dude going up and down that road all the time that probably has seen something. But oh no, sure, I'm sure you know, you know, there's there's probably lots of folks like me that have seen something. They just can't pinpoint exactly what it is.

22:12 You know, but they listen to the right thing or they get get down that that just the right YouTube wormhole and then we'll figure it out. Absolutely. Now, when you were watching it go across just for very quick, were you able to see a distinction between the different well, I guess, legs or the arms in the legs. Could you see a difference between those? Thinking back on it, no, because I feel like when it when it took off from the left side of the road, you know it clearly it was using its legs and I think you know when it when it kind of hit at some point in the middle of the road, I think I don't remember seeing the legs come down like so I think, you know, that must have been the you know, the arms from you know, front paws whatever. So I couldn't see them individually because they both kind of acted at the same time, you know, whether it was the legs or arms. Yeah, go ahead, any you know, like you said, it was just so quick that you know, you know, it was at a football field away from it, you know, so it couldn't

23:45 couldn't pick out as much details as they wanted to. Absolutely, I mean it's ye, that would be tricky, especially if you were a type of person where you were wanting to see it and you can't can't go faster, must go fast, that would be that would be terrible. Yeah, you know. Unluckily, you know, there was no one behind me, so you know, as I got up to this thing, I was able to slow down degree. You know, I probably was going you know, thirty five forty, you know at that point in time, because you know, I'm kind of hunched. I had to toyota corolla and hunched, hunched down, like looking up this cliff face trying to see.

24:28 So I slowed down enough that you know, I should have been able to see something. And then as you go past this thing, you know, I knew the land, so I was looking in my rear room near because you can kind of see up on top of this bluff. You know, it used to be a hill, but basically it was cut in half as they made the road, so up on tops all flat and forested, so you can kind of see up there nothing. It's it's interesting how the orangutan thing gets brought up more times than not. Even on the east side of the country. Had an individual that saw one that reminded him of that as well in the South Kwabbin Reservoir.

25:13 I think it was back in the nineties. But I've also had a person use the same pretty much the same words that you use the strawberry blonde for a bigfoot that she saw out in the I think it's Fall Creek area of Oregon, just just west of oak Ridge and east of Eugene a little bit there. But I think there might be something to the how it reminds everyone most people of orangutans. Now there's other things that reminds people of. But I thought that was very interesting that you brought that up. Did you Did you share this right away with with people once you got to where you were going or you're but when you got back home.

26:04 You know, I shared it. I probably shared it with my wife eventually, and you know there was there was only because I I was still thinking, I'm crazy. I can't identify this thing like I you know, if there's someone that should be able to identify it, like that's what I went to school for, you know, that's what my job is, you know, to know these type of things that I should have been able to identify it. So, you know, I told like my one co worker who swears he's seen a mountain lion you know, in this area. And then my my other coworker that I did all my mapping work with, and you know, that's about it. You know, I couldn't explain it. So you know, there's no you know, not much to go with there if you're like, hey, I got this cool story, but I don't know what it is, you know, but it makes a lot more sense to me now, you know, I'd be willing to put more money on that it was you know, sasquatch because it just been any other explanation for me. That's my my sighting there. You know, I've had a lot of other experiences here that I kind of you know and putting out there as anecdotal evidence, you know, like nothing else say I've seen personally, but

27:35 I've I've had some some weird, weird experiences here. So you know, one of the you know, I was a cartographer, you know, basically for a little while, and I switched positions into land management, being a property manager of a lot of these these properties owned by conservation group and basically there was you know, fifteen properties, five thousand acres, twenty five miles of trails, that were open to the public, you know, three hundred and sixty five days a year for free, you know not there were certain areas that you know are protected and stuff, but you know they were They're basically like the county parks system. And so I was in charge of managing a lot of these properties, and so any weird thing that that happened or people thought happened, I'd hear about. So, you know, one of the strangest things that that occurred was I got a call one day from a fellow that was a volunteer for me at one of the properties. There was a hunting volunteer during hunting season. Make sure that you know there was nothing funny going on, that you know, only people that had permission we're hunting there, and that no one from other properties were creeping over. And this guy

29:07 was legit dude. He was the former county sheriff at the moment when he was my volunteer. He was the county corner, so he was official guy. He calls me up one day and he says, hey, you got a deer out in the middle of your field. And you know that that was pretty much the gist of the message. And so I get my my John Deere gator loaded up, and you know, know that I'm going to have to deal with his things and probably haul it off somewhere get away from public view. And so get out there with one of my one of my assistants, and we get out there and we find a headless deer. This thing, this deer is a dough There's no reason its head should be missing. There is no blood anywhere to be seen.

30:07 And you know, I wouldn't call the cut surgical, but I mean, I don't know what could have made it, you know, like, you know, it was just it was done so clean that it just didn't make sense. And this thing, it's just laying out in the middle field. There's a road no more than three hundred yards from it, you know, a major county road, big. For a society, will be right back. After these messages.

30:56 There's neighbors' houses, you know, nearby overlooked this this property. So there's no reason this deer should be laying there, headless in the middle of the field. Regardless, I you know, I got to deal with this thing. Still kind of amazed, you know that this the guy didn't he either didn't know that the deer was headless or he you know, he didn't tell me that fact, which I thought was pretty strange. But regardless, I had a deer deal with this deer, and so my assistant and I dragged it off in the woods. And yeah, I like to turn some of these bad situations into good situations. So one of the things that we did was we we took this deer and we put it in the location the kinds and see, all right, let's let's see what predators around.

31:50 Let's set up this trail camera. See if we can figure out, you know, the coyotes here, you know, just turkey vultures, you know, scavengers, what kind of predators are here. So we set up trail camera pretty close to this deer, cover the deer up with you know, a bunch of leaves and stuff, get it off the trail out of the way so it's not gonna smell and so no one will see it. Just you know, come back, I don't know, two three deep days later, you know, to check the the camera, check the deer, and the deer's gone, like oh okay. You know, we figured we'd take longer than that, we'd see it decomposing. But uh, something's managed to drag it off, and you know, we we didn't do a good job of securing the deer down, so it was kind of bad on us. But we're expecting no problem. At least, We're going to see what gets to drag us out. Take the camera back, check the card.

32:54 Have plenty of pictures beforehand, plenty of pictures after. No pictures of anything messing with the deer dragging around, which is just just crazy to us. I mean, we got pictures of little dust things flying through the air, Like, how can we not see something dragging this deer off? So whatever, we forget about it, move on do other stuff. Not too long after that, I had a different property where we had we had moved the parking area because there was some shady activity occurring on this property because the parking lot was pretty far off the road, so we moved the parking lot very close to a public road so that we could get patrolled by the local police more often and just not be a bother to some of these neighbors. So in order to comply with the town and all the neighbors demands, you know, and moving this parking lot, we had to put up a fence along this trail, which was an all access trail.

34:07 You know, basically, anyone with any abilities should be able to access this trail, and so we put up a fence along it, and unfortunately, we forgot to notify the gear, and one of the young gear ended up getting hung up in the fence and ended up dying, which was pretty unfortunate. Of course, you know, I got a panic call from some visitor that saw this thing, so we had to rush out there and deal with this thing. And so again, you know, we got this gear at this particular property. I'd been told by neighbors that there's packs of wild dogs roaming around. There's way too many coyotes we should be killing, you know, every coyote that we see. So in my mind, I'm thinking, right, here's a golden opportunity. You know, we're going to take this deer.

35:03 We're going to take what we learned from the last one. We're gonna tie the sucker down, get it into the location or nothing can drag it away, and we're going to put a camera on it. We're gonna see if there's packs of wild dogs out here. Pat you know, all these coyotes that are the neighbors claiming out here that he wants to shoot, and so same thing, set it up. We drag this deer out. It's hard for us to get it in this location. There's small pin oaks, you know, scrub oaks everywhere, and you know, we're having a heck of a time get this thing in there. Finally get it in, tie it down to you know, one of the nearby stumps or stocks of one of the trees there, and set up the camera and same thing we get. We get some pictures beforehand, which some of them were kind of interesting, you know, like I'm nearly certain it was all moths, but you get some of these cool pictures that almost look like what they call rods, where it's kind of the cylindrical tube in the middle and kind of has this helix looking swirl around it. I'm pretty sure it was just intexts, but they were interesting nonetheless. And one of the pictures, you know, kind of almost had like a misty fog in it.

36:27 And then next thing you see, you see me looking at the camera like again there all this activity, like something took the whole year, moved it from this location without triggering the camera, and it's not like you know, someone can come over and view the pictures and delete them. It's not one of those type of cameras. You actually have to take the card out to view it, you know, so you would need a separate device, or you need to go back to the office and get into view it. And so this is the second time it's happened to me, and I can't explain it this time because you know, where we set it up. You would have to untie both feet and you'd have to basically either have two people or you'd have to put this thing over your shoulder to get it out of there. Because all the trees were so tight there, it would be impossible to drag through there. You'd be constantly hanging up on roots on the ground. And so that was just a mystery to me. And you know, this this property, I know, you know there's there's a lot of homeless activity, you know, homeless people living there. It's it's just north of the city of Hudson and New York, right along the Hudson River, right along the train track. I've had to evacuate a lot of homeless people from there. So is it possible

38:02 one of them, Yes, But I mean, why chance it with a spoiled gear, And how the heck they even know this gear was in there in the first place. So I just can't explain that, you know, at the same property. You know, there was a couple other weird things that happened as we as we were mapping. One conservation organization was transferring the ownership of the property to the organization I was working for, and as part of the transfer of ownership, you know, basically we had to go around and remap the property and you know, make sure that we found all the boundaries that were on the survey. Otherwise we'd have to hire a survey company to come in and resurvey the property. So it was our job to go around and do this. So found all kinds of crazy structures put together. I wish I had paid more attention to them because at the time, you know, I'm thinking, oh, these are you know, it's just it see almost almost people, you know, they're just putting together this rudimentary structure to get out of the rain or whatever, hide out, do whatever they do. We found, you know, this one location where we found a boundary pin on a rock one day, came back the next

39:36 day since we found that location that was our starting point for the next day. And the next day there was an empty turtle shell sitting right on this on this boundary pin where we had stopped the day before. Someone could have put it there. You know, it wasn't on a trail, it was you know, it wasn't anywhere that typically public would have gone. But it was a very very bizarre find. And one of the the other things about this property is that we ended up possibly seeing what what other folks had told legend of on this property, which was, you know, an albino deer. There's a couple old timers around the neighborhood that I had talked to that said, oh, it's it's not an albina here, it's a it's a piebald. It's you know, it's it was basically, this old lady had a couple of piebolds as pets, and he said, you know, it's one of the you know, they had, they had offspring, and it's one of the piebolds that got out there. As we were doing the mapping, we were in a certain location of the property and ended up hearing all this crashing, and we were able to kind of take a picture of this flash of white in the woods. Couldn't I couldn't tell what exactly it was, whether it was a white deer, white whatever, but we did see a flash

41:08 of white there, which was pretty cool. Never, you know, never really followed up on it much after that, but you know, still think of it often because it's you know, if it was one of these piebalds, that's that's kind of crazy that they're living on after this lady had you know, basically had them as pets in her yard and passed on many years prior to that. So that's that property. There's a property down in Ankoram, New York that was owned by a wealthy heiress and she had decided that, you know, she was done owning the property.

41:52 It was about twelve hundred acres of prime farmland, you know, forest mountains, and she had decided to give it to the conservation group that I was working for. So as part of the transfer of ownership, I was part of the team that was you know, going around again mapping the property, basically documenting everything that was occurring on it at the time to make sure that there was no environmental hazards. That type of thing. Once again, you know, like trying to get to some of these interesting natural features that like the highest point on the property where there's amazing bluff views, we would just run into all kinds of equipment failures, and you know, we get there by foot, but you know the way that you go by foot, you know, takes twice as long. So you know, it's just constantly frustrating, and we tried it multiple times with the equipment and it just was not working out.

43:03 Fast forward a little bit, we continued on a different side of the property. We come across this really kind of neat bowl area that's just up from this trout stream, and we go down. We get to the bottom of it and there's you know, a rock wall behind it and it just looks like it looks like a natural amphitheater almost, And you get down to the bottom of it and it's just littered with bones, like deer bones of all sorts everywhere. In the middle of it. There are three perfect intact antlers on the skull. Nothing's cheated, you know, no rodents have been on these things. They're just bleached white and they're just everywhere. Thinking back on it, I don't know whether the other bones were broken in half, whether they were whole, you know, because I was I was mostly just focused on these racks. They were perfect, like what hunter would leave perfect, you know, horns and antlers just sitting there in the woods like and not come back for it. We you know, we documented in GPS, took pictures. I followed up with the caretaker of the property.

44:30 He was just this cantankerous fellow that you don't want to rub the wrong way, you know, like he guarded this this property, you know, day and night, and there's there's no way anyone was was on there hunting illegally, and the only guy that that he allowed to hunt there would never leave, you know, a buck sitting there like that. So it was one of the strangest things. I ended up taking two of the schools and the racks and still have them, by the way. But it was just a really bizarre thing to see, you know, especially in that county where you know, everyone takes such pride and getting the buck and showing off the racks.

45:17 So I don't know what to say about that. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Did did anything weird happen after you took those. No, thank god, nothing weird. You never know, man, sometimes I know. It wasn't It wasn't a special crystal, So you know that's felt good about taking it.

46:00 Exactly when you go to any of these properties and you have like the equipment start to act weird. Have you also ever experienced like any weird physical things happen to yourself or to your coworkers when you're out there. I can't say that I ever remember that happening. Okay, you know, but you know, it's just it's such a weird thing though, because you know, like not only was it you know GPS crap it out and you know, basically sending like a false signal, but then you know also had the classic like be it full battery or even have you know the battery plugged into the twelve olt, you know, like the iPad whatever we were using, and these things just dropping and it wasn't like we're out you know, negative temperatures, like we're out in you know, normal conditions. You know, like the equipment doesn't work in extreme conditions, so you know, for it to be multiple things, that's what really weirded me out. Like you know, one thing go wrong that you know that happens, but like to have all these different ways for the equipment not to be functioning. And then also the fact that you know,

47:32 we've had this happen to us before. We're not it's not our first rodeo. We we have other pieces of equipment as backups that once again you know, wouldn't wouldn't be able to function as the backups. It was. It was pretty crazy. I don't want to rabbit trail us to maybe a different Well, I'll just ask a question just just because it came to mind. You know, you're you're familiar with the Berkshires and in that area. Have you heard of big Foot related activity weird stuff happening specifically in like the southwest corner of the state of Massachusetts, like around Mount Washington.

48:25 Yeah, that's that's where I live. Yeah, gotcha, there's well, you know, I. Guess I shouldn't say I've seen I have seen multiple reports on buf r O God Famili these weird stuff. But yeah, I mean it's it's that's my research area. Gotcha, That's that's where I go. You know, I haven't I've had a couple you know, feelings about you know, I'm in the right location that type of thing, or you know, feelings of you should not be here right now type of things there. But yeah, I can't wait to go back.

49:14 It's been you know, closed up all winter, so that's where I will be going as soon as moud season's over. That's awesome. So you're saying that sometimes you'll be in these areas and you'll get just like the hey, it's time to go type deal. Yeah. Especially there was one time where both me and my lab were up there and you know, it was like this felt like giant wind coming down the canyon, you know, type of feeling where we were just like, well, you know, both of us just kind of stopped what we were doing and we just kind of turned the other way and started heading back down. Because I guess they don't know my last name, but I don't typically follow the trails that a lot of other people are going on. You know, I'm going off trail, and I know a lot of people frown on that. But I am one with nature, you know, I'm not I'm not leaving anything behind, and I'm very very gentle. I'm stepping through the woods like a deer. So you know, even though I am off trail. I'm I don't feel I'm doing any any harm to the nature there by what I'm doing. But yeah, I'm right there in Mount Washington, and so you know some of the weird I've had

50:46 a couple of weird experiences right here. I'm right on the Appalachian Trail. Like you walk, you know, five minutes, I guess it would take you five minutes just to get up the hell and you're right on the apple. Achian Trail crosses my road, and we're pretty much surrounded by Appalachian Trail Conservancy property, whether it's you know, stuff that they owned, or whether it's it's property that's protected by a by an easement, you know, from development. And I think it was it was twenty twenty twenty two, and let's see it was it was probably the second to last week of September somewhere right wrong, like twenty first, twenty second or something like that. And I'm outside just kind of doing some yard work. I got the weed whacker going, trimming some stuff down in front of the house here and off to the left, I can I can kind of see that there's a you know, a dark shape. I can see that it looks like it's someone like a hiker or someone that's that's probably came off the at, went into town and is hiking back up on the at. It looks like they got kind of a hood on, you know, kind of dark clothes, and it's warmish day. So I kind of thought that

52:18 was weird all in this this very short span of time here. But I stop weed whacking and I kind of turned so that I'm not going to throw any of what the weeds that I'm whacking on to this person. Kind of do a little bit more work, let them get a bit a little bit closer before I stopped working, and I plan to do something else. So as I turned back around after I stopped, you know, to see where this person is where when I can start working again, they've completely disappeared. They're they're no longer walking on the road, and in this location where I saw not you know, basically in between my neighbors mailbox and mine. It's it's you know, fifteen foot span and there's nothing but a wooded hillside that they could have escaped into. And there's no reason for them to be on this wooded hill side.

53:16 They're going on to private property where you know, there's a neighbor with dog and kids, and you know, multiple structures that there's a swamp down below. There's just there's no reason for anyone to be over there. So I'm a little freaked out at this point because I'm like, who the heck is going up into the woods right there? Like who just walked up the hill from my mailbox? And you know, kind of get a little perturbed, you know, I'm kind of looking around and I'm looking to see if any of my neighbors are out, ask them like, hey, you know, do you know if anyone is, like, you know, it's just about deer season, you know, anyone hunts over there, they're going to check their stand. You know, I'm asking around neighbors. No one knows and anything. I'm a little freaked out that, you know, is there someone like is there a bumb like living in the woods across the road.

54:12 I can't figure this thing out, you know, tell my wife, tell my kids. You know, just can't keep an eye on this. That's what I saw. It's a little weird. A couple of weeks go by, I'm out, you know, the same part of the yard doing more yard work, but this time, I got a brushsaw, you know, a little metal blade on the end of my my tool, and it, you know, it makes kind of a zzing metal zinging sound. It's kind of cool. I like using it, but I'm sure it was ringing out all over. And anyways, I'm out showing one of my sons how to use it, and we're doing some of this work and we kind of look over to the left, you know, basically in the same location where I I watched this figure disappear, and in slow motion, a tree probably you know, less than two feet in diameter, but you know, pretty good size slow motion just starts to fall into the middle of the road. A car stops just inches before getting crushed by this tree. And I mean, it's it's just bizarre, Like I'm thinking, like, what the is going on? This is that's the same location that I saw someone like this tree comes down as we're standing there, I'm doing more yard work, you know, we rush over you know,

55:45 this car basically like we backs up and guns it out of there before like I can even get over there to ask them if they're okay, and you know, they're gone, and so my son and I, you know, move all this, this giant log out of the road. It's it's a dead tree, but it's it's not light, you know, and there's no reason that this thing should be falling at this time of day anyways, because there's no wind. You know. Maybe it was just it's time to go. Seems weird that we just happened to be there for that, But say Levey, so fast forward, I don't know, maybe a month, maybe three weeks kind of this the same location. I here, I'm hearing something at night, probably I don't know, nine nine thirty at night, after it's been dark for a little while. Hearing this noise outside, you know, almost sounds like one of the weird noises fox make. So you know, I'm curious. So I go outside and it's not a fox. What I'm hearing like a cat noise. And it's a big cat noise. It's not bobcat. We got bobcat all around. I've you heard them.

57:07 This is this sounds like it's a big cat noise. And this noise is coming from you know, thirty forty feet up in a tree. And I'm thinking, what the heck has got a big cat treed? And why is there no noise, if it's a coyote, if it's any kind of predator around here, and they've got a cat tree, if it's a dog even you know, if they got something tree, they're gonna be freaking out at the bottom. They're going to be barking, going crazy. And this cat is just just angrier than heck, just making noises. So I run inside, I'm looking for my flashlight. Finally get it and I come back outside, and by that time, my neighbor right next to me is out there with one of his sons and they hear this thing, and you know, so we have a flashlight as well. We're shining it all over. We can't figure out where this thing is. But also being that we can't see where this thing is and it sounded so angry, we're not searching all that hard to you know, like we're not going into the woods looking for this thing, and you know, we can't figure it out. You know, Eventually we end up just going back inside, and yeah, chalk it up to another weird thing here in the birch Shoes. So that would be getting towards Halloween time. So same same fall,

58:43 I had done a whole bunch of clearing around the house. Here had a whole bunch of branches that I needed need to burn, and so get a big burn pile. Ended up getting a little trouble from the fire marshal and wasn't it wasn't able to get a permit to burn anymore big burn piles after that. So I was doing small, little little burn piles in my little cello stuff on a nightly basis to get rid of all the rest of the stuff that I had, And you know, would just be hanging out around the fire just myself, you know, maybe listen to some tunes or whatever, and started noticing that across the road and kind of this gimme tweed where the tree went down. I saw this thing, and where the cat was making the noise. There's there's all this stepping in the bushes, and so at first I'm thinking, okay, it just squirrels, and so I'm listening and it's just constantly happened, and so I go over there, and you know, I'm making squirrel sounds of it. Nothing's chirping back at me. Usually I can get squirrels to hang me at me pretty quickly, but there's nothing going on, you know, it's not birds.

1:00:00 Big for society will be right back after these messages. And so get my flashlight. Wait until I hear the sound. Turn on my flash light, and I can't find anything. And it's just it's just constantly. It's looks like there's piecing back and forth, back and forth in the woods. And wherever the sound is coming from, I should be able to see wherever this is. So this is you know, it happens. I don't know, one or two nights as I'm doing this fire thing, come home one night, drive drive up into the driveway and my eldest son and his friend are just, you know, kind of off of the base of the driveway, just looking across the road.

1:01:04 I'm like, hey, what are you what are you guys doing. They're like, there's there's something over there. There's the noise over there. I'm like, oh god, you guys, get up, get up up, and we'll talk about it. And so, you know, sat there and listened to it. Tried the same thing with them, try and shine and light on it. Once we heard the noise, like I could just could never explain it. And you know, to this day, I've not been able to explain it. The noises have. I've found that they stop basically November to Peopril, and then from May until basically October. That's when I hear these things.

1:01:51 If we're outside at night, if I'm having a little fire, you know, we're doing whatever. I hear, you know, every night, I hear hooting. Some of it sounds an awful lot like Bartels. Some of it sounds an awful lot not like bart ELL's. One time, as I'm coming out of my shed, this was actually pretty recently here in the last couple of weeks, I step out of my shed, which is at the back of my property, and I noticed this on occasion that I turn off the light of my shed if I'm in there doing some artwork or whatever, and come out that I hear a hoop.

1:02:33 This time, turn off the light and I wait for the light to go off, and then I want it to be dark before I go out, And as soon as I open the door, I hear hoot. But at the same time, there's like a scream sound as well. It's like a hoy, you know, almost as if there were two separate sounds. I don't know, but uh, you know, it's it's it's weird. We found deer legs just separated left around you know, the yard back up on the hill where we walk our dogs, just behind our place. I know there's coyotes, but once again, if coyotes are tearing up a deer that close to the house, you think you'd hear them. They make, you know, make an awful lot of noise, even when they're not killing something.

1:03:26 So I can't explain it. You know, I don't know what. I've reached out, you know, to be afire out, tried to trying to put file a report, didn't have much luck. Nice guy called me back, but I don't think he ever filed my report. He was more interested in talking about one of his upcoming events. So I love. You know, if anyone's around in this area and wants to do something sploring, then they should get into least. So Nate, there's some really interesting things going on on that property. You know, I talk to multiple people right now every day, so I am very much listening to people talk about about things they have happen. And man, there's some stuff that you're saying where it is just hitting some some alarm bells, you know that it's like, oh yeah, here we go and yeah, you've got the random deer legs around your property. That's a big one that always shows up. And I mean that's all over the US too. And when I talk to witnesses and and does it when you hear the owls or like the ones that sound like they're fake, is it almost

1:05:00 like they don't know how to do the owl call at the end, like the message up at the end. Yeah, yeah, I mean, for for instance, like last night with the blood moon, like, yeah, there was I was listening to four bard owls talk, you know, right out behind my shed, like I just I turned off the music, stood outside the door in the dark, and they were just community came back and forth and this was you know, this is who cooks for you? Who cooks for you? You know like that even you know some of them they make variations, of course, but yeah, I know, I know my owl is pretty good, you know, through my through my years. That was one of the things that I always enjoyed about my job is you know I got to go on any owl prowls and calling you know, owls for people and they'd be like, oh my god, that's amazing.

1:05:54 You know, it's right, Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I feel I know, I'm pretty good. And you know, once again, there are variations, like even if you go on any of the apps, you can hear that. They don't always make the same sound, but some of them are just too weird. And you know, lower range as well, like you know, like the lower range to me is kind of one of the things that I'm trying to listen for the most because I've heard that a couple of times, you know, and there's multiple communications going on as well, whether they're many be real als or not, you know, like because you can hear it kind of you know echo around the forest. You know, We're lucky in where we are in my spotted Most of the houses that are all around us are all completely wooded.

1:06:50 We're like one of the houses that there's clearing. So we get weird things like when major weather events I've had, I've looked out the window and see like three thousand starlings just you know, hanging out on the ground around the house. One time, you know, this this winter, I want to say, it was a blue air and I hope to god it wasn't a thunderbird or something creepier than that. But I walked up to my shed in the dark, and this must have been October, and all of a sudden, some giant wing thing flies off at the top of my shed. You know, like basically this bird had been on top of my shed just laying there.

1:07:41 You know, I guess because it's a black roof. You know, maybe it it absorbs some heat from the sun or something. It was warm, you know, maybe I had a heater going on in there. I don't know, but you know, it's it's cool that we have all this nature here, but you know, some of this other that's just a little weird, little concerning you know, with kids and little doggies here. I totally get it. Is there a weird history to the property? You go way back, well not way back, but there is one really weird thing that you were probably going to kick out of. We tried to buy this property, I want to say, we probably tried to buy it twenty thirteen or fourteen, and it was listed as two acres, and you know, we just we couldn't get our loan up to the amount, and so the lady selling the property ended up selling one acre to a neighbor across the street and then put the house on the market and it got snatched up before we got it. Ends up, the guy that bought it did a whole lot of tree clearing in the backyard and ends up dropping a tree on himself and dying in the backyard. And so unfortunately,

1:09:17 you know, that happened, and he had married a lady from South America who just you know, wasn't able to keep up with the place. So it came back up on the market. We grabbed it, and you know, so that's always been on my mind on this property, especially as you know, even after the lady left. You know, she would just she would show up from time to time, like without like letting us know, and she would just be in the backyard, you know, like laying flowers and stuff. So you know, like it was always cool with us, of course, you know, because you know she's she's going through something. We didn't want to be jerks about that.

1:10:03 But at the same time, it's like it's it's always in the back of my mind. So hopefully he's here to protect us. Yeah, he's here for I was not expecting anything like that. I was kind of maybe digging for well, it used to be used to have some Native American ties, you know, if you go way way way back. But that is that is extremely interesting what you what you shared. And is she still randomly showing up to this day at times. No, I haven't seen her in a while. We still end up we get mail for both of them all the time. But so sad. Yeah, And you know, my neighbor was on the fire and rescue you know, the volunteer fire and rescue squad here in town, and so he was he was the first one on the seat because he lives right next door. So I, you know, constantly get reminded about it every time I see him.

1:11:03 But uh, you know, there's only been one one time where there was anything weird, you know, where I felt like I needed to evoke the Lord's name, you know, just just to clear whatever weird energy was in the house at the time. You know, That's that's the only time that's ever happened. And you know, nothing since and I've never never really you know, I thought anything bad would happen to it, but it's just, you know, it's just a weird thing to have hanging over you. Yeah, no, I totally get it. It's good that you were able to do that, and we don't even have to talk about what it was for sure, but it's good you were able to do that and then whatever was going on stopped. It's just it's very weird how all this stuff seems to be related in somehow. In some cases, it is very strange.

1:12:09 Yeah, I mean, all all of this, this whole part of the you know, this part of the Massachusetts is all so historical. I mean, this is all where you know, all the Livingstone Wars and all that that took place, so you know, the Tenant Wars and we're you know, Massachusetts and New York were fighting over this this weird little section of of of the world here where you know, it's just i mean, obviously there was there's natural resources here that they were fighting over iron ore and that type of stuff. But yeah, it's it's it's a cool, cool part of the country to live in, and you know, there's there's lots of history if you dig. I mean, even as we were kind of talking earlier, you know, like one of the reasons I reached out was because I had heard a recent episode of Yours where you know, there's a guy that frequented somewhere near to my home, you know, where he had some pretty emotional experiences for him, you know. And that's a place where where all of our schools have their graduations. It's like, you know, it's like where we have our kids' playdates. It's where the dog park is, it's where the pickleball court is, it's where you know, like you know, everyone takes their horses

1:13:43 to ride the trails. It's just, you know, it's cool to think that, you know, all this stuff can be happening right here amongst all of us living so busily, you know, And it's it that it's not just happening out in the middle of nowhere where there you know, there's no civilization. That it's you know that it is happening on the fringe, and even even more populated than the fringe. So it's I don't know, it's it's cool where some exciting all of it. It is. It's quite an area to live. And I you know, I mentioned every once in a while. I grew up in Franklin County, which is up closer to New Hampshire and Northfield and Greenfield area, but yet that Berkshire area is just absolutely beautiful. But Nate are you trying to.

1:14:37 I mean, it sounds like you've been looking into the subject, so you're probably aware that if you want things maybe also to clear out. Do you have like game cams up around your property at all? Or I have put them up, you know sometimes? Yeah, I don't have them up currently. I mean my experiences of the game camps is you put them up, you're not gonna get anything on them. But I guess that's the point, right, if you don't want things around, put them up. Yeah, exactly. But it's a thing where you know, uh, maybe you found a good balance after after you did invoke that, you know. So it's it's kind of just take to day at a time.

1:15:25 I need what I really would like is to get flear to see what's in these bushes across the street. And I hope to god it's a squirrel that I'm just not seeing, but who knows, who knows? Well, Nay, it has been a really eye opening time talking to you and and learning more about that corner of Massachusetts and and just the things that you've got going on and across the border. And I just want to make sure that there wasn't anything else that you were wanting to share as well before we started to wind on the episode.

1:16:14 Yeah, there's there's one one weird idea that I've been thinking about. One of my one of my hobbies is I I grow mushrooms, like you know, forests grown mushrooms, different gourmete types, oyster shataki, wine cap and that type of stuff. So I'm often thinking about how amazing they are and you know, how they're somewhere somewhere in between like an animal and plant, you know, like in regards of how you care for them. And I hear a lot of a lot of people talking about mind speak lepathy in some of their experiences, and so one thing that I'd love to hear, you know, maybe it's a question researchers start asking, is you know, like what when these minds speak and or telepathy happen, you know, what, what is the environment around you? Like one of the things I think about is just the myceelium network. You know, in the forest, there's there's so much fung guy and that there's just this huge network underneath the ground, in the air all around us where you know, there's there's a lot of communication happening with these these different fung guy and you know, there's even communicate plants. Trees send

1:17:47 out communication to themselves, you know, beach trees, asma trees, all these things. They send out emergency responses when they feel threatened. And so you know, like hearing where mind speak telepathy is happening. And then you know, do you notice is there mushrooms nearby? Is there you know when you look at the ground, is it all mossy? Is it? You know, are you in the middle of a very duffy leaf covered for us? You know? Where where are these where are these things occurring? Because you know, not that I don't believe in some of the the wooish stuff out there, but you know, I'm looking for more logical explanations for you know, some of these experiences that people are having. And you know, I guess, you know, lover of sci fi and X files and all these things, like, I don't know, I think there could be something there, you know, that perhaps it's easier for the for those communications to happen, you know, and certain environments the person must be willing as well, right, I mean, yeah.

1:19:04 That's true, that's true. I think that's a really interesting idea, one I hadn't really thought of. Yet. And I almost wonder if you would ask if the person that's experiencing it is also if they're taking any supplements that would contain mushrooms. I wonder if that would affect things as well. Line's main corgeous ups, all the things that you know, people are doing that, even the mushroom coffee and stuff. There's something there. I mean, it's it's such. Once you get into that stuff, it's such. It's so amazing how just even simple things, you know, eating the as part of your diet, you know, helps your digestion. You know, it's curing not curing, but helping with dementia, and you know some of these things that we don't really have cures for. So yeah, I think there's something there. But let's just be Yeah.

1:20:03 I think we're at the point where there's a lot we don't understand yet, and we need to make sure that we are not discounting or being frightened away from certain things in this field because we are labeling it as either WU or oh that's like you know, to to ape like or ape like. Really we should be we should be looking at all the things that that people are experiencing during these encounters and using that to to see what is really going on here. I don't think we should. We've been doing the witnesses a disservice so far. I think when we are throwing reports out because they're labeled a certain thing, I don't think that's right.

1:20:56 But that's just me and my soapbox. So agreed. Yeah, yeah, we need to do better. Nate, it has been. It's been a fun time. Keep me in mind if you continue to experience weird things out there, or you know, when you're going out to these properties, I'd love to hear about it. You know. I have a place for Western Mass always in my heart, and if there are people listening to this episode because it's Western Mass, I always put out a call. If you know stuff related to Bigfoot up in Franklin County, Northfield and Greenfield and all that good stuff, please reach out to me, send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com, or anything that you're experiencing in the area. But Nate, just thank you so much for coming on the show today.

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