April 12, 2025

Bigfoot Strangeness in the Berkshires!

Join us in this episode of Bigfoot Society as we talk with long-time listener Nate, who shares a series of intriguing encounters he's experienced in the Berkshires area of Eastern New York and Western Massachusetts. From unexplained rocks and acorns...

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Season 1

Join us in this episode of Bigfoot Society as we talk with long-time listener Nate, who shares a series of intriguing encounters he's experienced in the Berkshires area of Eastern New York and Western Massachusetts. From unexplained rocks and acorns being thrown, to mysterious white handprints on cars, and even a headless deer found in a field, Nate's stories are as fascinating as they are perplexing. He also recounts his potential Bigfoot sighting along the Taconic State Parkway and dives into strange occurrences like malfunctioning GPS equipment, unexplained structures in the woods, and eerie sounds at night near his home. Tune in to explore these baffling encounters that challenge our understanding of reality.

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All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking

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to Nate tonight. Nate is an individual that's been a

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listener of the show, but also we got connected about

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some interesting things that have taken place over the years

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out there in his area. You've got your Eastern New

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York and western massach so we'll be talking about some

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really interesting things tonight. But Nate, welcome to the show.

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How's it going man, Hey, thanks for having me.

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I'm glad to be here. Glad to talk about this

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to someone who will listen.

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Absolutely. I mean, it's always a great time when we're

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able to talk Bigfoot and give individuals a safe place

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to share what they've experienced. But you know, Nate, I

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want to make sure that you've got all the time

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that you need tonight, because it sounds like we have

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a fair amount of things to go over. But I

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feel free, you know, if there's anything else that listeners

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need to know context wise about yourself, feel free to

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share that. But I'll also let you get right into it.

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Man, Great, Well, Yeah, I'm living now in the Berkshires

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right on the border of Massachusett, New York in Connecticut,

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and grew up in Colorado. Spent most of my you know,

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all my childhood there and then some of my younger

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adult years there and plenty of weird experiences, but nothing

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Bigfoot related out there. Nothing until I got out here.

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I spent most of my career working in the nonprofit sector,

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working for different conservation organizations in Massachusetts and New York,

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and kind of where my high strangeness in my one

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potential siding happened is in eastern New York, right on

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the border of Massachusetts, where I was working for a

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conservation organization and I was working as a basically a

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cartographer but more using GPS and GIS to make maps

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and document properties that we're going under what's called the

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conservation easement, where they give up their development rights or

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a certain amount of their development rights in exchange for

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protecting the land and also getting some kind of tax break.

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So in my specific role with this organization, I got

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to go all over this amazing county to incredible private properties,

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public properties, you know, private properties owned by rich and

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famous and wealthy and you know people that built the US,

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you know, like Rockefellers and people like that. So it

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was a pretty cool job where I got to see

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a lot of places that not a lot of people

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went to all this time. Bigfoot was never on my brain.

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You know, I was a big fan of Harry and

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the Anderson's growing up, but you know, it kind of

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gone on into different interests after that, and you know,

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have always been interested in nature, but you know, Bigfoot

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was definitely not on my brain at that point in time.

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And so you know, kind of as before I get

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in my siding here kind of gives some antidotal evidence

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of some of the things that were happening. Typically in

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my job, I would be the the person that would

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be carrying the GPS and also a big giant antanna

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sticking out the top of a big, bright yellow backpack,

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so very cumbersome, you know, couldn't get into a lot

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of tight spaces. So I would typically have my coworker

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would be in front of me and she'd be going around,

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you know, I'd be telling her where we're headed, and

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she would kind of be in front of me, making

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sure I'm not going to run into a tree or

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step off a cliff, that type of thing. And so

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one of the big running gags that always happened to

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us as we're doing this is that, you know, she

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just kept feeling that I was kicking rocks at her,

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throwing rocks at her all the time. You know, like

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in a lot of times, you know, maybe I was

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because I had this GPS unit that I was kind

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of focused on and not really focused on my feet.

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But there's no way that I'm hitting here with all

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these rocks that she's complaining about. And then half the

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time I'm also getting pegged with acorns or pine cones

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or rocks as well, so, you know, two smart people

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never really questioned why this was happening, you know, just

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kind of focused on our job, just kept kind of

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going along. One of the other things that my my

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coworker blame me for, which I know was not my fault,

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was she had this beautiful kind of sky blue Subaru

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that was pretty brand new, and we would take it

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on a lot of these these work excursions that we'd

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go on and all you know, we'd be parking some

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of some cases, you know, out in the middle of

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a property that you know no one's on, not even

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a caretaker, you know, no one's been on for months

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or a year even, and we'd be parking off of

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main roads, you know, up woods Wood Roads and things

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like that, and her car started getting these giant white

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masses on there. They're like handprints, and you know, she

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kept blaming me, like, you know, like you putting your

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sunscreen on and then you're touching my car stop it,

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and you know, these these big white smudges just would

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not come out no matter what we did. You know,

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you'd basically have to scratch the finished to get these

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things off. You know, so I apologize, you know, I

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took the blame. I didn't know what to think other

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than you know, it wasn't me. I'm not touching the

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car all over, but you know, it's it's just one

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of those things. Looking back on now what I've kind

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of heard reports of, you know, it makes me think

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that it wasn't me, that something else could have been

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out there. And you know, like other reports that I hear,

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we you know, we'd have these great properties that we're

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going to and sometimes had the amazing natural features on them,

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you know, different things like waterfalls, natural springs, caves, you know,

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different things, and you know they're I don't know, more

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often than not, every time there was a special place

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that we'd really want to get to. For some reason,

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another we can never get to our final destination because

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the equipment would have some kind of malfunction. The GPS

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would say we're two miles north of where we actually were,

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you know, and we would always have multiple different pieces

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of equipment, you know, to make sure that we were

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able to do our work with a certain degree of accuracy,

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and so you know, it was really impossible for some

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of these multiple things to be acting up the way

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that they were, you know, and especially you know this

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one case where we are trying to get to the

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entrance to this cave. You know, it just didn't add up.

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You know, we're we're fully charged batteries. You know, we

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have we can tell how many satellites are up in

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the sky that you know, are providing more data to

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us to triangulate where our location is so that our

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accuracy improves, so that you know, everything's showing that we

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should collecting data and moving where we should. But weird

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things happening, you know, like and sometimes we couldn't get

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to these locations. Sometimes we'd have to come back on

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a different day to try and get there, and just

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a lot of a lot of weird stuff like that.

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One of the weirdest things that we had happened to

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us is, as I said, some of these properties, you know,

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they're they're owned by very wealthy people and you know,

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maybe they haven't visited the property and you know a

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long time. That was the case with this one property

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we're at and as we're you know, going up the driveway,

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the grass is about three feet tall, and it just

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got the spooky vibe to it, even though the house

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is you know, kind of like a newish type house.

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But you know, there's just the lawns uncapped. It doesn't

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look like anybody's been there. And you know, so we

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can on a knock on the door, just as we

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do typically to let people know that we're there to

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walk the property and do our job. We kind of

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slip a little note in the door, walk behind the house,

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go out into the woods, kind of do our little

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walk around the property. Make sure you know, they haven't

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built any structures where they shouldn't have. Blah blah blah.

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Come back, and on our way back past this house,

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there's this giant organ fresh organ, sitting on I believe

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it was a burdock leaf. You know, it looked like

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it was presented to us. I don't we both of

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us swear that it wasn't there as we walked out there,

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because we passed, you know, right by where this thing

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ended up on our way back, and you know, neither

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of us saw it when we were going out there,

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but it was one of the weirdest things that ever

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ever occurred to us. And you needless to say, we

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got the heck out of dodge as soon as we

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saw that. So all that kind of took place between

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twenty ten twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen. Probably, I think it

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was probably in May, getting up as a normally dude

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getting out the door to head up to work six thirty,

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you know, six forty five something like that. And the

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way I got to work up in Chatham, New York

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was taking the Daconic State Parkway. It's it's a beautiful

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road that kind of gives you an alternate drive to

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get up from New York City, you know, basically up

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to I ninety, which would get you to Albany. It's

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a fifty mile an hour road, two lanes in either direction,

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and there's no commercial traffic allowed, so it's, you know,

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it's a very leisurely country drive. You know, it's it's

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slower than taking some of the other routes, but it's

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a nice route to travel, and so I, you know,

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I loved it. There's lots of asia every every day

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when I was out there because traveling when I traveled

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that time of morning, there was typically no one out there,

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so I'd see a lot of deer, a lot of hawks, whatever.

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On this particular morning, as I said, it was you know,

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sometime in early spring before everything was fully greened out.

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But you know, start starting to get there, and I'm

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heading up north on the Parkway, and on either side

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of the road, both north and southbound, there's there's steep

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embankments off either side of the road. You know, they

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go down. Sometimes there could be little creeks at the bottoms,

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you know, patches of forest to the north and southbound

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lanes right next to each other. Sometimes there could be

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quite a bit of land in between. And so as

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I'm heading northbound, I'm kind of at the base of

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this hill. And this hill has a large rock outcropping

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that basically was you know, half of it was blasted

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away to make this portion of the road, and so

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it's this large cliff faced on the right side, which

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would be heading east from the west side left lane.

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I see just something get up over the guard rail

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when I'm at the base of this hill, and I

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can see it's perfectly kind of silhouetted with the sky

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behind it, and it makes one bound kind of in

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the middle of the road goes horizontal and then you

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know it's completely off into the median after that. And

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so I'm at the base of this hill and I'm like,

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I'm gunning it, wont I want to see what this is.

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I'm you know, I'm pretty close. I'm one hundred yards

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seventy five hundred yards away from this thing as I

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see it. So if I can get up this hill,

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I'm going to be able to see this thing on

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the on this rock cliff, or you know, maybe it

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hasn't been able to climb up the rock face, because

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whatever it is, it's going to have a tough time regardless.

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So I get up to the top of the hill

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and there's there's nothing there. I mean, it's fifty sixty

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foot rock face, you know, pretty much straight up. If

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if it's a deer, they're you know, probably not even

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getting up it. If it's a billy goat, maybe it's

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getting up you know, halfway, Like I should be able

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to see whatever this thing was, and there's there's nothing there.

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And I, you know, I'm kind of looking in the

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rear view as I'm driving by, like still thinking, you know,

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what the heck is this? Where did that thing go?

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Because I know the land up up there, there's it's

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just amazing it disappeared out of nowhere. And as I'm

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you know, driving away, I'm thinking about, you know, okay,

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what did I see what did I see? Like, you know,

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was it a mountain lion? Like, no, there there wasn't

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a mountain.

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Lion big for a society who will be right back

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after these messages.

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There was no tail. The color was this amber strawberry

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blondish type color as it was shining in the sun.

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It you know, it didn't match up with the length

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because you know, when I think look back and think

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about it, the length of this thing was basically two

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thirds of both of those lanes, which would be sixteen

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to eighteen feet long toe to tip of hand. And

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you know, that's not a deer. That's not a mountain lion. Like,

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I don't know anything that's around there that would be

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that long. It's not a coyote, you know, like there's

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nothing that kind of matches up with the length of

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this thing as I saw it go horizontal as it

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bounded across the road. So you know, I tried to

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sell myself on the it was a mountain lion for

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a little bit, but it just it didn't match up,

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and so it just puzzled me for years, and I

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you know, I kind of I told my coworker that

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I do all all this work with and you know,

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tried to try to convince her as I was convincing

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myself that I saw a mountain lion. But it's still

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it wasn't a mountain lion because I kept saying it,

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you know, I didn't have the tail in the color.

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The color was like this, you know, orange is amber

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almost like close to a rangutain color, but not quite.

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And so you know, I don't know, I don't know

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what I saw. But one of the things that that

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made me think it was interesting, you know, years later,

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I come across, you know, one of one of these

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videos all Town Monsters, and they're talking about the Kinderhood

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Creek Monster, and I'm like, oh man, that's that's close

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to this. That's everything that this guy is talking about

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sounds an awful lot like what I saw. Did I

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did I see a big foot? Like? You know? And

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so that's that's where I'm at now with that is

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you know, it's it's the closest thing that I compared

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it to. I you know, the thing for me that

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I never saw it stand up, you know, and so

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like I'm judging this thing based upon the length as

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it crossed the road, but I don't know anything that

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that's that long as it goes horizontal from you know,

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toe to the end of its you know what would

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be as hands I guess, you know, as it's as

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it's bounding across the road. Nathan, That's where I'm.

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At, Nathan. That's that's a fascinating sighting, and I definitely

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have a few few questions for you about it. So

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the first thing you noticed was you saw the silhouette

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of it. Did when you saw that siloette, probably just

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for a very short time, did you notice anything interesting

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or any details about the way that that silhouette looked.

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Just you know it it seemed in looking back, it

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seemed hunched over as it got over the guardrail, which

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makes sense because like I said, like it was it

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was coming up kind of a steep embankment, and you know,

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I couldn't make out any features. But you know, the

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biggest thing to me was like just the the quickness

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that this thing kind of just made this one move

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to cross both lanes. You know, like dear anything else,

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you know, they would have they would have taken multiple steps,

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but this thing was so smooth. It came up over

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the guardrail and just across there and then you know,

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I wish I couldn't see it maneuver up this rock

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phase because that that must have been just as equally

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as effortless, you know, like it just disappeared of this thing.

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So that's all I can say. You know that the

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one thing that I kind of think about from time

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to time is that, you know, all my years driving

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up and down this iconic state parkway, and this is

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this is a little more of it. So I apologize

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to some of the listeners here. But you know, things

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get hit on the road, and so there's a specific

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you know, road crew division, you know that that goes

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up and down the parkway. You know, it's I don't know,

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I guess it's probably New York Dot or something, but

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they collect a lot of these things that have been

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hit on the road, and I've seen them in certain locations,

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you know, where there's this giant steep embankment off the

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side of the road, just tossing these things in number

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off the side of the road, like down you know,

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some of these things are forty fifty feet down from

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the you know, where the road is, so you know,

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no one's going to see them or smell them, but

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there may be other things interested in them, So you

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know that was that was one of the things that

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I you know, I always thought about afterwards, is you know,

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like you know, there could be something down there that's

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you know, attracting attracted them other than you know, this

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is just happens to be where they chose to cross

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the road. Like I feel that there there had to

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be something there that they were they were after to

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be there in this location when there was many possible

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locations where they would have been concealed.

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No, I think that's a that's a great theory because

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it's like, you know, you're making it easy for him.

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You're toss and you're pretty much making it well, yeah,

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buffet in a way up and down the road and

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not to get you know, too grosser or whatever. But

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another interesting thing is I bet those dot guys have

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probably seen some stuff and they probably just don't talk

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about it. But there's got to be one Dot dude

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going up and down that road all the time that

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probably has seen something.

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But oh no, sure, I'm sure you know, you know,

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there's there's probably lots of folks like me that have

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seen something. They just can't pinpoint exactly what it is.

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You know, but they listen to the right thing or

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they get get down that that just the right YouTube

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wormhole and then we'll figure it out.

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Absolutely. Now, when you were watching it go across just

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for very quick, were you able to see a distinction

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between the different well, I guess, legs or the arms

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in the legs. Could you see a difference between those?

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Thinking back on it, no, because I feel like when

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it when it took off from the left side of

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the road, you know it clearly it was using its

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legs and I think you know when it when it

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kind of hit at some point in the middle of

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the road, I think I don't remember seeing the legs

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come down like so I think, you know, that must

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have been the you know, the arms from you know,

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front paws whatever. So I couldn't see them individually because

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they both kind of acted at the same time, you know,

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whether it was the legs or arms. Yeah, go ahead,

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any you know, like you said, it was just so

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quick that you know, you know, it was at a

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football field away from it, you know, so it couldn't

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couldn't pick out as much details as they wanted to.

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Absolutely, I mean it's ye, that would be tricky, especially

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if you were a type of person where you were

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wanting to see it and you can't can't go faster,

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must go fast, that would be that would be terrible.

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Yeah, you know. Unluckily, you know, there was no one

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behind me, so you know, as I got up to

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this thing, I was able to slow down degree. You know,

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I probably was going you know, thirty five forty, you

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know at that point in time, because you know, I'm

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kind of hunched. I had to toyota corolla and hunched,

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hunched down, like looking up this cliff face trying to see.

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So I slowed down enough that you know, I should

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have been able to see something. And then as you

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go past this thing, you know, I knew the land,

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so I was looking in my rear room near because

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you can kind of see up on top of this bluff.

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You know, it used to be a hill, but basically

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it was cut in half as they made the road,

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so up on tops all flat and forested, so you

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can kind of see up there nothing.

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It's it's interesting how the orangutan thing gets brought up

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more times than not. Even on the east side of

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the country. Had an individual that saw one that reminded

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him of that as well in the South Kwabbin Reservoir.

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I think it was back in the nineties. But I've

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also had a person use the same pretty much the

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same words that you use the strawberry blonde for a

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bigfoot that she saw out in the I think it's

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Fall Creek area of Oregon, just just west of oak

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Ridge and east of Eugene a little bit there. But

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I think there might be something to the how it

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reminds everyone most people of orangutans. Now there's other things

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that reminds people of. But I thought that was very

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interesting that you brought that up. Did you Did you

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share this right away with with people once you got

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to where you were going or you're but when you

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got back home.

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You know, I shared it. I probably shared it with

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my wife eventually, and you know there was there was

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only because I I was still thinking, I'm crazy. I

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can't identify this thing like I you know, if there's

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someone that should be able to identify it, like that's

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what I went to school for, you know, that's what

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my job is, you know, to know these type of

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things that I should have been able to identify it. So,

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you know, I told like my one co worker who

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swears he's seen a mountain lion you know, in this area.

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And then my my other coworker that I did all

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my mapping work with, and you know, that's about it.

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You know, I couldn't explain it. So you know, there's

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no you know, not much to go with there if

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you're like, hey, I got this cool story, but I

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don't know what it is, you know, but it makes

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a lot more sense to me now, you know, I'd

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be willing to put more money on that it was

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you know, sasquatch because it just been any other explanation

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for me. That's my my sighting there. You know, I've

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had a lot of other experiences here that I kind

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of you know and putting out there as anecdotal evidence,

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you know, like nothing else say I've seen personally, but

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I've I've had some some weird, weird experiences here. So

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you know, one of the you know, I was a cartographer,

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you know, basically for a little while, and I switched

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positions into land management, being a property manager of a

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lot of these these properties owned by conservation group and

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basically there was you know, fifteen properties, five thousand acres,

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twenty five miles of trails, that were open to the public,

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you know, three hundred and sixty five days a year

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for free, you know not there were certain areas that

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you know are protected and stuff, but you know they

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were They're basically like the county parks system. And so

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I was in charge of managing a lot of these properties,

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and so any weird thing that that happened or people

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thought happened, I'd hear about. So, you know, one of

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the strangest things that that occurred was I got a

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call one day from a fellow that was a volunteer

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for me at one of the properties. There was a

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hunting volunteer during hunting season. Make sure that you know

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there was nothing funny going on, that you know, only

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people that had permission we're hunting there, and that no

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one from other properties were creeping over. And this guy

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was legit dude. He was the former county sheriff at

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the moment when he was my volunteer. He was the

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county corner, so he was official guy. He calls me

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up one day and he says, hey, you got a

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deer out in the middle of your field. And you

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know that that was pretty much the gist of the message.

451
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:38.400
And so I get my my John Deere gator loaded up,

452
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.359
and you know, know that I'm going to have to

453
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.039
deal with his things and probably haul it off somewhere

454
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.880
get away from public view. And so get out there

455
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.680
with one of my one of my assistants, and we

456
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:56.119
get out there and we find a headless deer. This thing,

457
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.119
this deer is a dough There's no reason its head

458
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:06.480
should be missing. There is no blood anywhere to be seen.

459
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.000
And you know, I wouldn't call the cut surgical, but

460
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.880
I mean, I don't know what could have made it,

461
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.680
you know, like, you know, it was just it was

462
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:25.359
done so clean that it just didn't make sense. And

463
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.079
this thing, it's just laying out in the middle field.

464
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:35.039
There's a road no more than three hundred yards from it,

465
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.319
you know, a major county road, big.

466
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.799
For a society, will be right back. After these messages.

467
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.160
There's neighbors' houses, you know, nearby overlooked this this property.

468
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.240
So there's no reason this deer should be laying there,

469
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.039
headless in the middle of the field. Regardless, I you know,

470
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.799
I got to deal with this thing. Still kind of amazed,

471
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.680
you know that this the guy didn't he either didn't

472
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:24.279
know that the deer was headless or he you know,

473
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.799
he didn't tell me that fact, which I thought was

474
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.880
pretty strange. But regardless, I had a deer deal with

475
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.480
this deer, and so my assistant and I dragged it

476
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.160
off in the woods. And yeah, I like to turn

477
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.240
some of these bad situations into good situations. So one

478
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.559
of the things that we did was we we took

479
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.400
this deer and we put it in the location the

480
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:50.400
kinds and see, all right, let's let's see what predators around.

481
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.119
Let's set up this trail camera. See if we can

482
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.920
figure out, you know, the coyotes here, you know, just

483
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.880
turkey vultures, you know, scavengers, what kind of predators are here.

484
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.799
So we set up trail camera pretty close to this deer,

485
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.799
cover the deer up with you know, a bunch of

486
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.759
leaves and stuff, get it off the trail out of

487
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:12.759
the way so it's not gonna smell and so no

488
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:18.240
one will see it. Just you know, come back, I

489
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.000
don't know, two three deep days later, you know, to

490
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.559
check the the camera, check the deer, and the deer's gone,

491
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:32.680
like oh okay. You know, we figured we'd take longer

492
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.559
than that, we'd see it decomposing. But uh, something's managed

493
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.599
to drag it off, and you know, we we didn't

494
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.240
do a good job of securing the deer down, so

495
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.839
it was kind of bad on us. But we're expecting

496
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:48.960
no problem. At least, We're going to see what gets

497
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.440
to drag us out. Take the camera back, check the card.

498
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.119
Have plenty of pictures beforehand, plenty of pictures after. No

499
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.960
pictures of anything messing with the deer dragging around, which

500
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.880
is just just crazy to us. I mean, we got

501
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:14.039
pictures of little dust things flying through the air, Like,

502
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.519
how can we not see something dragging this deer off?

503
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.480
So whatever, we forget about it, move on do other stuff.

504
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.839
Not too long after that, I had a different property

505
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.480
where we had we had moved the parking area because

506
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:37.799
there was some shady activity occurring on this property because

507
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.400
the parking lot was pretty far off the road, so

508
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.920
we moved the parking lot very close to a public

509
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.200
road so that we could get patrolled by the local

510
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.480
police more often and just not be a bother to

511
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.279
some of these neighbors. So in order to comply with

512
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.440
the town and all the neighbors demands, you know, and

513
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.640
moving this parking lot, we had to put up a

514
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.359
fence along this trail, which was an all access trail.

515
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.360
You know, basically, anyone with any abilities should be able

516
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.199
to access this trail, and so we put up a

517
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:22.440
fence along it, and unfortunately, we forgot to notify the gear,

518
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.440
and one of the young gear ended up getting hung

519
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.480
up in the fence and ended up dying, which was

520
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.639
pretty unfortunate. Of course, you know, I got a panic

521
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.239
call from some visitor that saw this thing, so we

522
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.360
had to rush out there and deal with this thing.

523
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:46.760
And so again, you know, we got this gear at

524
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.920
this particular property. I'd been told by neighbors that there's

525
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.840
packs of wild dogs roaming around. There's way too many

526
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.760
coyotes we should be killing, you know, every coyote that

527
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.480
we see. So in my mind, I'm thinking, right, here's

528
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.159
a golden opportunity. You know, we're going to take this deer.

529
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.320
We're going to take what we learned from the last one.

530
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.960
We're gonna tie the sucker down, get it into the

531
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.199
location or nothing can drag it away, and we're going

532
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.480
to put a camera on it. We're gonna see if

533
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.199
there's packs of wild dogs out here. Pat you know,

534
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:20.119
all these coyotes that are the neighbors claiming out here

535
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.039
that he wants to shoot, and so same thing, set

536
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.280
it up. We drag this deer out. It's hard for

537
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.280
us to get it in this location. There's small pin oaks,

538
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.599
you know, scrub oaks everywhere, and you know, we're having

539
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.519
a heck of a time get this thing in there.

540
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.639
Finally get it in, tie it down to you know,

541
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:47.760
one of the nearby stumps or stocks of one of

542
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.840
the trees there, and set up the camera and same

543
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.280
thing we get. We get some pictures beforehand, which some

544
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.639
of them were kind of interesting, you know, like I'm

545
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.280
nearly certain it was all moths, but you get some

546
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.000
of these cool pictures that almost look like what they

547
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.719
call rods, where it's kind of the cylindrical tube in

548
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.280
the middle and kind of has this helix looking swirl

549
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.800
around it. I'm pretty sure it was just intexts, but

550
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.719
they were interesting nonetheless. And one of the pictures, you know,

551
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:26.400
kind of almost had like a misty fog in it.

552
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.840
And then next thing you see, you see me looking

553
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.480
at the camera like again there all this activity, like

554
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.599
something took the whole year, moved it from this location

555
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:47.480
without triggering the camera, and it's not like you know,

556
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.760
someone can come over and view the pictures and delete them.

557
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.159
It's not one of those type of cameras. You actually

558
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.519
have to take the card out to view it, you know,

559
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.719
so you would need a separate device, or you need

560
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.880
to go back to the office and get into view it.

561
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.719
And so this is the second time it's happened to me,

562
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.960
and I can't explain it this time because you know,

563
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.920
where we set it up. You would have to untie

564
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.840
both feet and you'd have to basically either have two

565
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:21.920
people or you'd have to put this thing over your

566
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.159
shoulder to get it out of there. Because all the

567
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.920
trees were so tight there, it would be impossible to

568
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.360
drag through there. You'd be constantly hanging up on roots

569
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.880
on the ground. And so that was just a mystery

570
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:40.199
to me. And you know, this this property, I know,

571
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:48.079
you know there's there's a lot of homeless activity, you know,

572
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.880
homeless people living there. It's it's just north of the

573
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.559
city of Hudson and New York, right along the Hudson River,

574
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.519
right along the train track. I've had to evacuate a

575
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.360
lot of homeless people from there. So is it possible

576
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.800
one of them, Yes, But I mean, why chance it

577
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.280
with a spoiled gear, And how the heck they even

578
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.880
know this gear was in there in the first place.

579
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:19.400
So I just can't explain that, you know, at the

580
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.519
same property. You know, there was a couple other weird

581
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.960
things that happened as we as we were mapping. One

582
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.159
conservation organization was transferring the ownership of the property to

583
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.159
the organization I was working for, and as part of

584
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.320
the transfer of ownership, you know, basically we had to

585
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.360
go around and remap the property and you know, make

586
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.960
sure that we found all the boundaries that were on

587
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.599
the survey. Otherwise we'd have to hire a survey company

588
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.440
to come in and resurvey the property. So it was

589
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.039
our job to go around and do this. So found

590
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:08.440
all kinds of crazy structures put together. I wish I

591
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.960
had paid more attention to them because at the time,

592
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.559
you know, I'm thinking, oh, these are you know, it's

593
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.960
just it see almost almost people, you know, they're just

594
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.519
putting together this rudimentary structure to get out of the

595
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:26.840
rain or whatever, hide out, do whatever they do. We found,

596
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.760
you know, this one location where we found a boundary

597
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.159
pin on a rock one day, came back the next

598
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.599
day since we found that location that was our starting

599
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.559
point for the next day. And the next day there

600
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.400
was an empty turtle shell sitting right on this on

601
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.239
this boundary pin where we had stopped the day before.

602
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.360
Someone could have put it there. You know, it wasn't

603
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.679
on a trail, it was you know, it wasn't anywhere

604
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.719
that typically public would have gone. But it was a

605
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.840
very very bizarre find. And one of the the other

606
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:11.280
things about this property is that we ended up possibly

607
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.559
seeing what what other folks had told legend of on

608
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:20.679
this property, which was, you know, an albino deer. There's

609
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.960
a couple old timers around the neighborhood that I had

610
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.800
talked to that said, oh, it's it's not an albina here,

611
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:31.719
it's a it's a piebald. It's you know, it's it

612
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.639
was basically, this old lady had a couple of piebolds

613
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.199
as pets, and he said, you know, it's one of

614
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.880
the you know, they had, they had offspring, and it's

615
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.159
one of the piebolds that got out there. As we

616
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.400
were doing the mapping, we were in a certain location

617
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:54.639
of the property and ended up hearing all this crashing,

618
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.440
and we were able to kind of take a picture

619
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.760
of this flash of white in the woods. Couldn't I

620
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.199
couldn't tell what exactly it was, whether it was a

621
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:08.239
white deer, white whatever, but we did see a flash

622
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.000
of white there, which was pretty cool. Never, you know,

623
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.079
never really followed up on it much after that, but

624
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.599
you know, still think of it often because it's you know,

625
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.719
if it was one of these piebalds, that's that's kind

626
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.239
of crazy that they're living on after this lady had

627
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.679
you know, basically had them as pets in her yard

628
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.880
and passed on many years prior to that. So that's

629
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:42.199
that property. There's a property down in Ankoram, New York

630
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:49.639
that was owned by a wealthy heiress and she had

631
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.679
decided that, you know, she was done owning the property.

632
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.039
It was about twelve hundred acres of prime farmland, you know,

633
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.800
forest mountains, and she had decided to give it to

634
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.519
the conservation group that I was working for. So as

635
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.159
part of the transfer of ownership, I was part of

636
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:12.840
the team that was you know, going around again mapping

637
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:18.920
the property, basically documenting everything that was occurring on it

638
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.960
at the time to make sure that there was no

639
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:28.039
environmental hazards. That type of thing. Once again, you know,

640
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.639
like trying to get to some of these interesting natural

641
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.119
features that like the highest point on the property where

642
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.519
there's amazing bluff views, we would just run into all

643
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.960
kinds of equipment failures, and you know, we get there

644
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:48.920
by foot, but you know the way that you go

645
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.199
by foot, you know, takes twice as long. So you know,

646
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.039
it's just constantly frustrating, and we tried it multiple times

647
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:03.079
with the equipment and it just was not working out.

648
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.199
Fast forward a little bit, we continued on a different

649
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:13.199
side of the property. We come across this really kind

650
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.719
of neat bowl area that's just up from this trout stream,

651
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.760
and we go down. We get to the bottom of

652
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.360
it and there's you know, a rock wall behind it

653
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:28.079
and it just looks like it looks like a natural

654
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.400
amphitheater almost, And you get down to the bottom of

655
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.719
it and it's just littered with bones, like deer bones

656
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.400
of all sorts everywhere. In the middle of it. There

657
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:51.159
are three perfect intact antlers on the skull. Nothing's cheated,

658
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.719
you know, no rodents have been on these things. They're

659
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:00.320
just bleached white and they're just everywhere. Thinking back on it,

660
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.119
I don't know whether the other bones were broken in half,

661
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.400
whether they were whole, you know, because I was I

662
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.519
was mostly just focused on these racks. They were perfect,

663
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:17.840
like what hunter would leave perfect, you know, horns and

664
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.000
antlers just sitting there in the woods like and not

665
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:26.000
come back for it. We you know, we documented in GPS,

666
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.880
took pictures. I followed up with the caretaker of the property.

667
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.320
He was just this cantankerous fellow that you don't want

668
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.280
to rub the wrong way, you know, like he guarded

669
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.239
this this property, you know, day and night, and there's

670
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.719
there's no way anyone was was on there hunting illegally,

671
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:50.000
and the only guy that that he allowed to hunt

672
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.840
there would never leave, you know, a buck sitting there

673
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.679
like that. So it was one of the strangest things.

674
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.559
I ended up taking two of the schools and the

675
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.320
racks and still have them, by the way. But it

676
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:08.760
was just a really bizarre thing to see, you know,

677
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.760
especially in that county where you know, everyone takes such

678
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.679
pride and getting the buck and showing off the racks.

679
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:19.800
So I don't know what to say about that.

680
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.239
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

681
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.880
Did did anything weird happen after you took those.

682
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.679
No, thank god, nothing weird.

683
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.840
You never know, man, sometimes I know.

684
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.360
It wasn't It wasn't a special crystal, So you know

685
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.760
that's felt good about taking it.

686
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:08.000
Exactly when you go to any of these properties and

687
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.880
you have like the equipment start to act weird. Have

688
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:20.280
you also ever experienced like any weird physical things happen

689
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.480
to yourself or to your coworkers when you're out there.

690
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.679
I can't say that I ever remember that happening. Okay,

691
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:35.159
you know, but you know, it's just it's such a

692
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.320
weird thing though, because you know, like not only was

693
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.480
it you know GPS crap it out and you know,

694
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.440
basically sending like a false signal, but then you know

695
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.920
also had the classic like be it full battery or

696
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.480
even have you know the battery plugged into the twelve olt,

697
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.079
you know, like the iPad whatever we were using, and

698
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.119
these things just dropping and it wasn't like we're out

699
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.840
you know, negative temperatures, like we're out in you know,

700
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.880
normal conditions. You know, like the equipment doesn't work in

701
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:16.800
extreme conditions, so you know, for it to be multiple things,

702
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.360
that's what really weirded me out. Like you know, one

703
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.320
thing go wrong that you know that happens, but like

704
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.559
to have all these different ways for the equipment not

705
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:31.880
to be functioning. And then also the fact that you know,

706
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.360
we've had this happen to us before. We're not it's

707
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.119
not our first rodeo. We we have other pieces of

708
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:41.119
equipment as backups that once again you know, wouldn't wouldn't

709
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:44.119
be able to function as the backups. It was. It

710
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:45.880
was pretty crazy.

711
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:54.400
I don't want to rabbit trail us to maybe a

712
00:47:54.440 --> 00:48:00.239
different Well, I'll just ask a question just just because

713
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.800
it came to mind. You know, you're you're familiar with

714
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:10.000
the Berkshires and in that area. Have you heard of

715
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.559
big Foot related activity weird stuff happening specifically in like

716
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.679
the southwest corner of the state of Massachusetts, like around

717
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:23.440
Mount Washington.

718
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.719
Yeah, that's that's where I live.

719
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.599
Yeah, gotcha, there's well, you know, I.

720
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:38.280
Guess I shouldn't say I've seen I have seen multiple

721
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.519
reports on buf r O God Famili these weird stuff.

722
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:52.599
But yeah, I mean it's it's that's my research area. Gotcha,

723
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.800
That's that's where I go. You know, I haven't I've

724
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:03.199
had a couple you know, feelings about you know, I'm

725
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.679
in the right location that type of thing, or you know,

726
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.719
feelings of you should not be here right now type

727
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.760
of things there. But yeah, I can't wait to go back.

728
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.000
It's been you know, closed up all winter, so that's

729
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.280
where I will be going as soon as moud season's over.

730
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.280
That's awesome. So you're saying that sometimes you'll be in

731
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.559
these areas and you'll get just like the hey, it's

732
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.199
time to go type deal.

733
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.519
Yeah. Especially there was one time where both me and

734
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:40.400
my lab were up there and you know, it was

735
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:46.800
like this felt like giant wind coming down the canyon,

736
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.840
you know, type of feeling where we were just like, well,

737
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.519
you know, both of us just kind of stopped what

738
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.440
we were doing and we just kind of turned the

739
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:01.039
other way and started heading back down. Because I guess

740
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.639
they don't know my last name, but I don't typically

741
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.760
follow the trails that a lot of other people are

742
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.840
going on. You know, I'm going off trail, and I

743
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.599
know a lot of people frown on that. But I

744
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.480
am one with nature, you know, I'm not I'm not

745
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.199
leaving anything behind, and I'm very very gentle. I'm stepping

746
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.800
through the woods like a deer. So you know, even

747
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.800
though I am off trail. I'm I don't feel I'm

748
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.440
doing any any harm to the nature there by what

749
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:42.480
I'm doing. But yeah, I'm right there in Mount Washington,

750
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.119
and so you know some of the weird I've had

751
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.639
a couple of weird experiences right here. I'm right on

752
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:54.360
the Appalachian Trail. Like you walk, you know, five minutes,

753
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.840
I guess it would take you five minutes just to

754
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.320
get up the hell and you're right on the apple.

755
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.400
Achian Trail crosses my road, and we're pretty much surrounded

756
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:10.079
by Appalachian Trail Conservancy property, whether it's you know, stuff

757
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.320
that they owned, or whether it's it's property that's protected

758
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:18.880
by a by an easement, you know, from development. And

759
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.639
I think it was it was twenty twenty twenty two,

760
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.920
and let's see it was it was probably the second

761
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.360
to last week of September somewhere right wrong, like twenty first,

762
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.079
twenty second or something like that. And I'm outside just

763
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.079
kind of doing some yard work. I got the weed

764
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.480
whacker going, trimming some stuff down in front of the

765
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.800
house here and off to the left, I can I

766
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:56.159
can kind of see that there's a you know, a

767
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.599
dark shape. I can see that it looks like it's

768
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.639
someone like a hiker or someone that's that's probably came

769
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.639
off the at, went into town and is hiking back

770
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.719
up on the at. It looks like they got kind

771
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.519
of a hood on, you know, kind of dark clothes,

772
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:18.280
and it's warmish day. So I kind of thought that

773
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.000
was weird all in this this very short span of

774
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:25.760
time here. But I stop weed whacking and I kind

775
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.800
of turned so that I'm not going to throw any

776
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.639
of what the weeds that I'm whacking on to this person.

777
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.480
Kind of do a little bit more work, let them

778
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.559
get a bit a little bit closer before I stopped working,

779
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.039
and I plan to do something else. So as I

780
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.320
turned back around after I stopped, you know, to see

781
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:47.679
where this person is where when I can start working again,

782
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:54.239
they've completely disappeared. They're they're no longer walking on the road,

783
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:59.800
and in this location where I saw not you know,

784
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.199
basically in between my neighbors mailbox and mine. It's it's

785
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:08.960
you know, fifteen foot span and there's nothing but a

786
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:13.440
wooded hillside that they could have escaped into. And there's

787
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.559
no reason for them to be on this wooded hill side.

788
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:21.039
They're going on to private property where you know, there's

789
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.480
a neighbor with dog and kids, and you know, multiple

790
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.920
structures that there's a swamp down below. There's just there's

791
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:33.119
no reason for anyone to be over there. So I'm

792
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.199
a little freaked out at this point because I'm like,

793
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.719
who the heck is going up into the woods right there?

794
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.599
Like who just walked up the hill from my mailbox?

795
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.079
And you know, kind of get a little perturbed, you know,

796
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.199
I'm kind of looking around and I'm looking to see

797
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.880
if any of my neighbors are out, ask them like, hey,

798
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.480
you know, do you know if anyone is, like, you know,

799
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:59.519
it's just about deer season, you know, anyone hunts over there,

800
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.760
they're going to check their stand. You know, I'm asking

801
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:06.159
around neighbors. No one knows and anything. I'm a little

802
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.119
freaked out that, you know, is there someone like is

803
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.760
there a bumb like living in the woods across the road.

804
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:18.239
I can't figure this thing out, you know, tell my wife,

805
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:20.480
tell my kids. You know, just can't keep an eye

806
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.360
on this. That's what I saw. It's a little weird.

807
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.840
A couple of weeks go by, I'm out, you know,

808
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.519
the same part of the yard doing more yard work,

809
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.719
but this time, I got a brushsaw, you know, a

810
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.400
little metal blade on the end of my my tool,

811
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.440
and it, you know, it makes kind of a zzing

812
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.079
metal zinging sound. It's kind of cool. I like using it,

813
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.239
but I'm sure it was ringing out all over. And anyways,

814
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.239
I'm out showing one of my sons how to use it,

815
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.920
and we're doing some of this work and we kind

816
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.320
of look over to the left, you know, basically in

817
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:04.000
the same location where I I watched this figure disappear,

818
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:12.559
and in slow motion, a tree probably you know, less

819
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.119
than two feet in diameter, but you know, pretty good

820
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.400
size slow motion just starts to fall into the middle

821
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:25.519
of the road. A car stops just inches before getting

822
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.800
crushed by this tree. And I mean, it's it's just bizarre,

823
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.239
Like I'm thinking, like, what the is going on? This

824
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.679
is that's the same location that I saw someone like

825
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.119
this tree comes down as we're standing there, I'm doing

826
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:45.199
more yard work, you know, we rush over you know,

827
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:50.199
this car basically like we backs up and guns it

828
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.760
out of there before like I can even get over

829
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.639
there to ask them if they're okay, and you know,

830
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:58.480
they're gone, and so my son and I, you know,

831
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.760
move all this, this giant log out of the road.

832
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.480
It's it's a dead tree, but it's it's not light,

833
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.320
you know, and there's no reason that this thing should

834
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.320
be falling at this time of day anyways, because there's

835
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:18.159
no wind. You know. Maybe it was just it's time

836
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.639
to go. Seems weird that we just happened to be

837
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:28.599
there for that, But say Levey, so fast forward, I

838
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:33.559
don't know, maybe a month, maybe three weeks kind of

839
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:39.440
this the same location. I here, I'm hearing something at night,

840
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.440
probably I don't know, nine nine thirty at night, after

841
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.320
it's been dark for a little while. Hearing this noise outside,

842
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.800
you know, almost sounds like one of the weird noises

843
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.239
fox make. So you know, I'm curious. So I go

844
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:59.199
outside and it's not a fox. What I'm hearing like

845
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.000
a cat noise. And it's a big cat noise. It's

846
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.760
not bobcat. We got bobcat all around. I've you heard them.

847
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.880
This is this sounds like it's a big cat noise.

848
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.400
And this noise is coming from you know, thirty forty

849
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.599
feet up in a tree. And I'm thinking, what the

850
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:26.400
heck has got a big cat treed? And why is

851
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.440
there no noise, if it's a coyote, if it's any

852
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.239
kind of predator around here, and they've got a cat tree,

853
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.960
if it's a dog even you know, if they got

854
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.559
something tree, they're gonna be freaking out at the bottom.

855
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.760
They're going to be barking, going crazy. And this cat

856
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:47.840
is just just angrier than heck, just making noises. So

857
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.760
I run inside, I'm looking for my flashlight. Finally get

858
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.039
it and I come back outside, and by that time,

859
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.400
my neighbor right next to me is out there with

860
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.440
one of his sons and they hear this thing, and

861
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.400
you know, so we have a flashlight as well. We're

862
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.719
shining it all over. We can't figure out where this

863
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:09.239
thing is. But also being that we can't see where

864
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.239
this thing is and it sounded so angry, we're not

865
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.400
searching all that hard to you know, like we're not

866
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.079
going into the woods looking for this thing, and you know,

867
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.280
we can't figure it out. You know, Eventually we end

868
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:29.159
up just going back inside, and yeah, chalk it up

869
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:34.559
to another weird thing here in the birch Shoes. So

870
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:43.039
that would be getting towards Halloween time. So same same fall,

871
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.559
I had done a whole bunch of clearing around the house.

872
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:47.880
Here had a whole bunch of branches that I needed

873
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:52.679
need to burn, and so get a big burn pile.

874
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.880
Ended up getting a little trouble from the fire marshal

875
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.280
and wasn't it wasn't able to get a permit to

876
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.840
burn anymore big burn piles after that. So I was

877
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.480
doing small, little little burn piles in my little cello

878
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.400
stuff on a nightly basis to get rid of all

879
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.639
the rest of the stuff that I had, And you know,

880
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:17.159
would just be hanging out around the fire just myself,

881
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.920
you know, maybe listen to some tunes or whatever, and

882
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.440
started noticing that across the road and kind of this

883
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.159
gimme tweed where the tree went down. I saw this thing,

884
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.079
and where the cat was making the noise. There's there's

885
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:38.480
all this stepping in the bushes, and so at first

886
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.719
I'm thinking, okay, it just squirrels, and so I'm listening

887
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.599
and it's just constantly happened, and so I go over there,

888
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:51.440
and you know, I'm making squirrel sounds of it. Nothing's

889
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.000
chirping back at me. Usually I can get squirrels to

890
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:58.199
hang me at me pretty quickly, but there's nothing going on,

891
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:00.280
you know, it's not birds.

892
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:03.480
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

893
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.639
And so get my flashlight. Wait until I hear the sound.

894
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.480
Turn on my flash light, and I can't find anything.

895
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.480
And it's just it's just constantly. It's looks like there's

896
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.480
piecing back and forth, back and forth in the woods.

897
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.039
And wherever the sound is coming from, I should be

898
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.800
able to see wherever this is. So this is you know,

899
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.480
it happens. I don't know, one or two nights as

900
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:55.159
I'm doing this fire thing, come home one night, drive

901
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.760
drive up into the driveway and my eldest son and

902
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.079
his friend are just, you know, kind of off of

903
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.719
the base of the driveway, just looking across the road.

904
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.599
I'm like, hey, what are you what are you guys doing.

905
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.880
They're like, there's there's something over there. There's the noise

906
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:14.559
over there. I'm like, oh god, you guys, get up,

907
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.039
get up up, and we'll talk about it. And so,

908
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.800
you know, sat there and listened to it. Tried the

909
01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.119
same thing with them, try and shine and light on it.

910
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:28.159
Once we heard the noise, like I could just could

911
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.039
never explain it. And you know, to this day, I've

912
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.400
not been able to explain it. The noises have. I've

913
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:45.079
found that they stop basically November to Peopril, and then

914
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:51.880
from May until basically October. That's when I hear these things.

915
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.519
If we're outside at night, if I'm having a little fire,

916
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:00.639
you know, we're doing whatever. I hear, you know, every night,

917
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.880
I hear hooting. Some of it sounds an awful lot

918
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.719
like Bartels. Some of it sounds an awful lot not

919
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.639
like bart ELL's. One time, as I'm coming out of

920
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.679
my shed, this was actually pretty recently here in the

921
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.119
last couple of weeks, I step out of my shed,

922
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.119
which is at the back of my property, and I

923
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:27.280
noticed this on occasion that I turn off the light

924
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.400
of my shed if I'm in there doing some artwork

925
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.440
or whatever, and come out that I hear a hoop.

926
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.440
This time, turn off the light and I wait for

927
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.360
the light to go off, and then I want it

928
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.199
to be dark before I go out, And as soon

929
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:43.239
as I open the door, I hear hoot. But at

930
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.639
the same time, there's like a scream sound as well.

931
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.320
It's like a hoy, you know, almost as if there

932
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:56.360
were two separate sounds. I don't know, but uh, you know,

933
01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:03.639
it's it's it's weird. We found deer legs just separated

934
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:08.159
left around you know, the yard back up on the

935
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.679
hill where we walk our dogs, just behind our place.

936
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:16.039
I know there's coyotes, but once again, if coyotes are

937
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.159
tearing up a deer that close to the house, you

938
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.519
think you'd hear them. They make, you know, make an

939
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.119
awful lot of noise, even when they're not killing something.

940
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:33.440
So I can't explain it. You know, I don't know what.

941
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.360
I've reached out, you know, to be afire out, tried

942
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.360
to trying to put file a report, didn't have much luck.

943
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:46.119
Nice guy called me back, but I don't think he

944
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:48.559
ever filed my report. He was more interested in talking

945
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:54.960
about one of his upcoming events. So I love. You know,

946
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.679
if anyone's around in this area and wants to do

947
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.760
something sploring, then they should get into least.

948
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:08.360
So Nate, there's some really interesting things going on on

949
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:15.519
that property. You know, I talk to multiple people right

950
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:21.280
now every day, so I am very much listening to

951
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:27.079
people talk about about things they have happen. And man,

952
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.000
there's some stuff that you're saying where it is just

953
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:37.039
hitting some some alarm bells, you know that it's like,

954
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:41.519
oh yeah, here we go and yeah, you've got the

955
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:45.159
random deer legs around your property. That's a big one

956
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.559
that always shows up. And I mean that's all over

957
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:51.159
the US too. And when I talk to witnesses and

958
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:56.599
and does it when you hear the owls or like

959
01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.400
the ones that sound like they're fake, is it almost

960
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.960
like they don't know how to do the owl call

961
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:07.039
at the end, like the message up at the end.

962
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.639
Yeah, yeah, I mean, for for instance, like last night

963
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.840
with the blood moon, like, yeah, there was I was

964
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:18.039
listening to four bard owls talk, you know, right out

965
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.880
behind my shed, like I just I turned off the music,

966
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:24.840
stood outside the door in the dark, and they were

967
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.559
just community came back and forth and this was you know,

968
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.480
this is who cooks for you? Who cooks for you?

969
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.000
You know like that even you know some of them

970
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:38.039
they make variations, of course, but yeah, I know, I

971
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.280
know my owl is pretty good, you know, through my

972
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.119
through my years. That was one of the things that

973
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.360
I always enjoyed about my job is you know I

974
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.480
got to go on any owl prowls and calling you know,

975
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:53.760
owls for people and they'd be like, oh my god,

976
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:54.920
that's amazing.

977
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.559
You know, it's right, Yeah, it's awesome.

978
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:01.840
Yeah, I feel I know, I'm pretty good. And you know,

979
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:04.559
once again, there are variations, like even if you go

980
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:06.360
on any of the apps, you can hear that. They

981
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.840
don't always make the same sound, but some of them

982
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.880
are just too weird. And you know, lower range as well,

983
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.159
like you know, like the lower range to me is

984
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.480
kind of one of the things that I'm trying to

985
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:24.360
listen for the most because I've heard that a couple

986
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:30.400
of times, you know, and there's multiple communications going on

987
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.360
as well, whether they're many be real als or not,

988
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:37.079
you know, like because you can hear it kind of

989
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:42.079
you know echo around the forest. You know, We're lucky

990
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.800
in where we are in my spotted Most of the

991
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:50.000
houses that are all around us are all completely wooded.

992
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:55.400
We're like one of the houses that there's clearing. So

993
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.880
we get weird things like when major weather events I've had,

994
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.280
I've looked out the window and see like three thousand

995
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.519
starlings just you know, hanging out on the ground around

996
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:12.480
the house. One time, you know, this this winter, I

997
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.239
want to say, it was a blue air and I

998
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.960
hope to god it wasn't a thunderbird or something creepier

999
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.800
than that. But I walked up to my shed in

1000
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:27.320
the dark, and this must have been October, and all

1001
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:31.800
of a sudden, some giant wing thing flies off at

1002
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.800
the top of my shed. You know, like basically this

1003
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:40.119
bird had been on top of my shed just laying there.

1004
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.199
You know, I guess because it's a black roof. You know,

1005
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.840
maybe it it absorbs some heat from the sun or something.

1006
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.519
It was warm, you know, maybe I had a heater

1007
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:52.079
going on in there. I don't know, but you know,

1008
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:57.559
it's it's cool that we have all this nature here,

1009
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.960
but you know, some of this other that's just a

1010
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:06.519
little weird, little concerning you know, with kids and little

1011
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:07.199
doggies here.

1012
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.320
I totally get it. Is there a weird history to

1013
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:11.960
the property?

1014
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:19.199
You go way back, well not way back, but there

1015
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.720
is one really weird thing that you were probably going

1016
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.439
to kick out of. We tried to buy this property,

1017
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:31.800
I want to say, we probably tried to buy it

1018
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:40.079
twenty thirteen or fourteen, and it was listed as two acres,

1019
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.720
and you know, we just we couldn't get our loan

1020
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:47.920
up to the amount, and so the lady selling the

1021
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.560
property ended up selling one acre to a neighbor across

1022
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.039
the street and then put the house on the market

1023
01:08:55.079 --> 01:09:01.079
and it got snatched up before we got it. Ends up,

1024
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:06.359
the guy that bought it did a whole lot of

1025
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:10.119
tree clearing in the backyard and ends up dropping a

1026
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:16.840
tree on himself and dying in the backyard. And so unfortunately,

1027
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:22.159
you know, that happened, and he had married a lady

1028
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.880
from South America who just you know, wasn't able to

1029
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.439
keep up with the place. So it came back up

1030
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:33.800
on the market. We grabbed it, and you know, so

1031
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.520
that's always been on my mind on this property, especially

1032
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.720
as you know, even after the lady left. You know,

1033
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:47.600
she would just she would show up from time to time,

1034
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.920
like without like letting us know, and she would just

1035
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.680
be in the backyard, you know, like laying flowers and stuff.

1036
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.960
So you know, like it was always cool with us,

1037
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:01.520
of course, you know, because you know she's she's going

1038
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.600
through something. We didn't want to be jerks about that.

1039
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:08.359
But at the same time, it's like it's it's always

1040
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.680
in the back of my mind. So hopefully he's here

1041
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.479
to protect us.

1042
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.840
Yeah, he's here for I was not expecting anything like that.

1043
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.119
I was kind of maybe digging for well, it used

1044
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.239
to be used to have some Native American ties, you know,

1045
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:26.640
if you go way way way back. But that is

1046
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:29.640
that is extremely interesting what you what you shared. And

1047
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.800
is she still randomly showing up to this day at times.

1048
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:37.800
No, I haven't seen her in a while. We still

1049
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.319
end up we get mail for both of them all

1050
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.920
the time. But so sad. Yeah, And you know, my

1051
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:51.239
neighbor was on the fire and rescue you know, the

1052
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:54.159
volunteer fire and rescue squad here in town, and so

1053
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.159
he was he was the first one on the seat

1054
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.560
because he lives right next door. So I, you know,

1055
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.279
constantly get reminded about it every time I see him.

1056
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:08.880
But uh, you know, there's only been one one time

1057
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.920
where there was anything weird, you know, where I felt

1058
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:17.840
like I needed to evoke the Lord's name, you know,

1059
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:22.439
just just to clear whatever weird energy was in the

1060
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:26.600
house at the time. You know, That's that's the only

1061
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.119
time that's ever happened. And you know, nothing since and

1062
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:36.760
I've never never really you know, I thought anything bad

1063
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:38.640
would happen to it, but it's just, you know, it's

1064
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:41.600
just a weird thing to have hanging over you.

1065
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:47.520
Yeah, no, I totally get it. It's good that you

1066
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.119
were able to do that, and we don't even have

1067
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:53.359
to talk about what it was for sure, but it's

1068
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:55.520
good you were able to do that and then whatever

1069
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:00.880
was going on stopped. It's just it's very weird how

1070
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.920
all this stuff seems to be related in somehow. In

1071
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:07.560
some cases, it is very strange.

1072
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.000
Yeah, I mean, all all of this, this whole part

1073
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.960
of the you know, this part of the Massachusetts is

1074
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.880
all so historical. I mean, this is all where you know,

1075
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.760
all the Livingstone Wars and all that that took place,

1076
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.319
so you know, the Tenant Wars and we're you know,

1077
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:32.039
Massachusetts and New York were fighting over this this weird

1078
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:37.560
little section of of of the world here where you know,

1079
01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:43.279
it's just i mean, obviously there was there's natural resources

1080
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:45.520
here that they were fighting over iron ore and that

1081
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.680
type of stuff. But yeah, it's it's it's a cool,

1082
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:54.319
cool part of the country to live in, and you know,

1083
01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.479
there's there's lots of history if you dig. I mean,

1084
01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:01.239
even as we were kind of talking earlier, you know,

1085
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:03.840
like one of the reasons I reached out was because

1086
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:09.199
I had heard a recent episode of Yours where you know,

1087
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:14.760
there's a guy that frequented somewhere near to my home,

1088
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:21.600
you know, where he had some pretty emotional experiences for him,

1089
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:26.039
you know. And that's a place where where all of

1090
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:31.720
our schools have their graduations. It's like, you know, it's

1091
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.119
like where we have our kids' playdates. It's where the

1092
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:38.479
dog park is, it's where the pickleball court is, it's

1093
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:43.520
where you know, like you know, everyone takes their horses

1094
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.520
to ride the trails. It's just, you know, it's cool

1095
01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:49.439
to think that, you know, all this stuff can be

1096
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:55.039
happening right here amongst all of us living so busily,

1097
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:58.680
you know, And it's it that it's not just happening

1098
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:01.680
out in the middle of nowhere where there you know,

1099
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:05.079
there's no civilization. That it's you know that it is

1100
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:10.439
happening on the fringe, and even even more populated than

1101
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:13.960
the fringe. So it's I don't know, it's it's cool

1102
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:18.600
where some exciting all of it. It is.

1103
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.800
It's quite an area to live. And I you know,

1104
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:24.039
I mentioned every once in a while. I grew up

1105
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:28.880
in Franklin County, which is up closer to New Hampshire

1106
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.319
and Northfield and Greenfield area, but yet that Berkshire area

1107
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:37.000
is just absolutely beautiful. But Nate are you trying to.

1108
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:41.279
I mean, it sounds like you've been looking into the subject,

1109
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:45.319
so you're probably aware that if you want things maybe

1110
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.960
also to clear out. Do you have like game cams

1111
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:49.399
up around your property at all?

1112
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:56.159
Or I have put them up, you know sometimes? Yeah,

1113
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:01.119
I don't have them up currently. I mean my experiences

1114
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.720
of the game camps is you put them up, you're

1115
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.079
not gonna get anything on them. But I guess that's

1116
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:10.079
the point, right, if you don't want things around, put

1117
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:10.439
them up.

1118
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.239
Yeah, exactly. But it's a thing where you know, uh,

1119
01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:19.000
maybe you found a good balance after after you did

1120
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.880
invoke that, you know. So it's it's kind of just

1121
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:23.920
take to day at a time.

1122
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:29.680
I need what I really would like is to get

1123
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.319
flear to see what's in these bushes across the street.

1124
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:37.600
And I hope to god it's a squirrel that I'm

1125
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.399
just not seeing, but who knows, who knows?

1126
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.760
Well, Nay, it has been a really eye opening time

1127
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:54.279
talking to you and and learning more about that corner

1128
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:58.479
of Massachusetts and and just the things that you've got

1129
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:03.000
going on and across the border. And I just want

1130
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.520
to make sure that there wasn't anything else that you

1131
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.239
were wanting to share as well before we started to

1132
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:11.479
wind on the episode.

1133
01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:19.960
Yeah, there's there's one one weird idea that I've been

1134
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.039
thinking about. One of my one of my hobbies is

1135
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:29.359
I I grow mushrooms, like you know, forests grown mushrooms,

1136
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:34.560
different gourmete types, oyster shataki, wine cap and that type

1137
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:42.279
of stuff. So I'm often thinking about how amazing they

1138
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:46.279
are and you know, how they're somewhere somewhere in between

1139
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:51.960
like an animal and plant, you know, like in regards

1140
01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:54.720
of how you care for them. And I hear a

1141
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:59.720
lot of a lot of people talking about mind speak

1142
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.600
lepathy in some of their experiences, and so one thing

1143
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:08.960
that I'd love to hear, you know, maybe it's a

1144
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:13.680
question researchers start asking, is you know, like what when

1145
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:18.119
these minds speak and or telepathy happen, you know, what,

1146
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.359
what is the environment around you? Like one of the

1147
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.800
things I think about is just the myceelium network. You know,

1148
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.600
in the forest, there's there's so much fung guy and

1149
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:35.279
that there's just this huge network underneath the ground, in

1150
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:39.640
the air all around us where you know, there's there's

1151
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:43.880
a lot of communication happening with these these different fung

1152
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.439
guy and you know, there's even communicate plants. Trees send

1153
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.199
out communication to themselves, you know, beach trees, asma trees,

1154
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:54.800
all these things. They send out emergency responses when they

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feel threatened. And so you know, like hearing where mind

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01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.800
speak telepathy is happening. And then you know, do you

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notice is there mushrooms nearby? Is there you know when

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you look at the ground, is it all mossy? Is it?

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You know, are you in the middle of a very

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duffy leaf covered for us? You know? Where where are

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these where are these things occurring? Because you know, not

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01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:29.960
that I don't believe in some of the the wooish

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01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.239
stuff out there, but you know, I'm looking for more

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01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:39.119
logical explanations for you know, some of these experiences that

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01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.840
people are having. And you know, I guess, you know,

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lover of sci fi and X files and all these things, like,

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I don't know, I think there could be something there,

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01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:57.720
you know, that perhaps it's easier for the for those

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01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:02.000
communications to happen, you know, and certain environments the person

1170
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.720
must be willing as well, right, I mean, yeah.

1171
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That's true, that's true. I think that's a really interesting idea,

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01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:09.359
one I hadn't really thought of.

1173
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Yet.

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And I almost wonder if you would ask if the

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person that's experiencing it is also if they're taking any

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01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:22.600
supplements that would contain mushrooms. I wonder if that would

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affect things as well.

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Line's main corgeous ups, all the things that you know,

1179
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.840
people are doing that, even the mushroom coffee and stuff.

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01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.039
There's something there. I mean, it's it's such. Once you

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01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.840
get into that stuff, it's such. It's so amazing how

1182
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:45.159
just even simple things, you know, eating the as part

1183
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.800
of your diet, you know, helps your digestion. You know,

1184
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:53.279
it's curing not curing, but helping with dementia, and you

1185
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:55.479
know some of these things that we don't really have

1186
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.840
cures for. So yeah, I think there's something there. But

1187
01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:03.159
let's just be Yeah.

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I think we're at the point where there's a lot

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01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:09.079
we don't understand yet, and we need to make sure

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01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:17.640
that we are not discounting or being frightened away from

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01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:22.439
certain things in this field because we are labeling it

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01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:28.319
as either WU or oh that's like you know, to

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01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:32.439
to ape like or ape like. Really we should be

1194
01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:35.279
we should be looking at all the things that that

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01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:40.479
people are experiencing during these encounters and using that to

1196
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.279
to see what is really going on here. I don't

1197
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:49.119
think we should. We've been doing the witnesses a disservice

1198
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:53.119
so far. I think when we are throwing reports out

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01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:56.800
because they're labeled a certain thing, I don't think that's right.

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01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:58.800
But that's just me and my soapbox.

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So agreed.

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Yeah, yeah, we need to do better. Nate, it has been.

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01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:08.600
It's been a fun time. Keep me in mind if

1204
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:14.439
you continue to experience weird things out there, or you know,

1205
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.560
when you're going out to these properties, I'd love to

1206
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:18.159
hear about it.

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01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:18.439
You know.

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01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:23.520
I have a place for Western Mass always in my heart,

1209
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:27.279
and if there are people listening to this episode because

1210
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:31.520
it's Western Mass, I always put out a call. If

1211
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.920
you know stuff related to Bigfoot up in Franklin County,

1212
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.720
Northfield and Greenfield and all that good stuff, please reach

1213
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:43.560
out to me, send me an email at Bigfoot Society

1214
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:45.920
at gmail dot com, or anything that you're experiencing in

1215
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:49.239
the area. But Nate, just thank you so much for

1216
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:50.399
coming on the show today.

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01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:53.279
Thanks so much for having Jerema.

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01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:56.840
Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

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