Bigfoot was at Cultus Lake!

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0:44 You may recognize Josh's voice. He's been on a few episodes, and actually it'll be a total of three after it comes out, so he's been on. There is a Hatcher Pass Alaska episode I believe Westland, Oregon, and Josh was in attendance at the Sasquat Summerfest festival in Oakridge, Oregon this summer, so we were able to hang out at the booth there, and I was able to do a mini interview with him that was in a compilation episode that came out on August twenty ninth of this year. So, Josh, it's pleasure to talk to you again. How's it going up there?

1:29 Oh, it's it's great. It's it's great. It's like a lot of just a lot of activity going on. It's been like you know, ups and downs and all that stuff, but it's been pretty good. Everything's really mellow here. Yeah, so far, so good. Absolutely, you're out and you're out in Oregon still right. Yeah, I'm still in Oregon, out in West Lynne. Lots of I mean, there's just there's a lot of activity. I'm just in general, h and I got so much to cover. I've made a bull light list.

2:09 But before you get to it, did I tell you about the person who came up to my booth when you weren't around. I don't know if I got to tell you this. So this one lady came up and she was like talking about your West lynn episode and she's like, you know, it's the weirdest thing because I've actually had stuff happen to me up and I think was north Portland where she's like, it's an area people wouldn't think, but you know, I had stuff happen in that area, so I get what he's talking about. You know, places where you might not think it's still going on. So I thought that was kind of cool. But you you weren't around at the time, so.

2:49 Oh yeah, but yeah, but that yeah, that's the thing. It's like the whole this whole area. It's it's like a like an interlocking like corridors of like forested area is and like, you know, it seems like they're they're highly like just adaptable to like whatever environment and they just they'll still be able to find food where they need to. And some of them, some of the young will would grow up and they only know that kind of food. And what I've learned is like I've been leaving nuts out for them recently, just just to sort of smooth things over and all that. But uh, I put out a fish and they were like they didn't want to eat it, and I buried it in the garden and after it rotted for a few days and that's when they dug it up and started eating do on it and like, but they didn't want to touch fish.

3:44 But I know in Alaska they eat fish, and there's there's there's videos out there where they're like in the creeks looking for fish or whatever. But it's it's interesting that like you talk to people like what's the name of that that orchard, it's uh Woodburn, but surewood an orchard and Sherwood you pick orchard, And like I went out there and they had clearly had like a family of sasquatch on the property. And you just chat them up and you find out that like a lot of a lot of the ranchers and a lot of like the people around here that there are encounters and it it's it's interesting. It's like like some people know, a lot of people don't still, but it's the only way to start to get the conversation rolling is just you got to talk about it got to bang the drum.

4:48 So so you're saying that you went to that area and you you were talking to the people that own that orchard, and they were like, yeah, we got them around here. Yeah, they they had a family of sasquatch move on to their property, and like they alluded to like they would just come and eat the apples and whatnot every night and they just do their thing, and they'd learned to like sort of live with them. And they had like one the orchard was well marri cured, we all taken care of. You could tell it's clean. They wanted it to look good for customers. But then there was this patch where it was like weedy, and like they like took a couple of passes with the with the lawnmower and then they want to do anymore, and all the trees were scraggly and like the bark was peeled, and like you could hear the whoops coming from them, like the rocks clacking, and like like the activity going on that you would hear with a big foot. And like this is just me hanging out just looking at the apples we just picked in the in the in just their little parking area, and I'm like looking over and I just I just like chatted them up. It's like made a joke about keeping the big foot off my apple tree. And then like it just snowballed from there, and like you just sort of segue into it. But like according to her, people in the know say that they've been like coming in for like the past, like

6:22 twenty years like into the closer encroaching in on the cities more. But you know, who knows, maybe they've just noticed it, but maybe they've always just been I assume they've always just been here, and like the all the developments that have happened have like encroached on their territory because it just seems like they're just sort of comfortable where they're at and like you can, you wouldn't think they need that much, but like all they really need is like a good bush and some water and some like bugs or nuts or something, and they're they're set. And yeah, they just come out through the big hunting at night, but like all they really need is water, water, and like a spot to hide, and there's a lot of it, you know. So it is interesting.

7:15 Is that pretty close to West Lynne, the same area. Same same general area. I would say it's like headed more towards the coast, but it's like well like like thirty minutes away, like a thirty minute drive or so, like it's still part of the same sort of sprawl, like interlocking sprawl. So it's like it's just on the other side of like Tigered I think, just south of tigered, so not not too far at all, Like I can pick side streets and get there. But they've had them on the on the property according to them, for like eleven at the time, it was like a le years of probably like thirteen fourteen years now with them dealing with the just this guy, the sasquatchron just sort of coexisting with them.

8:13 That is really really interesting, Josh, I might have to look into that. Hmmm, it's just crazy. I mean it would be worthwhile, yeah, I mean, it would worth be worthwhile to go go go pick some apples and like as like your cover, but then like check out the right the bigfoot right there. Oh hey, I'm just gonna go take a leak or something. And it's kind of like you know, like two birds of one stone. You get you get a great great bunch of apples to make a pie or whatever, and then you get some some bigfoot interaction as well, which is I mean, that's that's solid id, that's a solid day for me.

8:54 So I mean that you get a good thing, you know, the Oregon Sasquatch Tour. You get like the best like this orchard and that orchard and like this this place and that park, you know, be a tour guide. After after spending some time out in Oakridge, it's it's stories like this, like you know, it's like yeah, no question. I mean after experiencing stuff in that in Oakridge, whereas like there's stuff going on so close to the town, it's like, yeah, that the Pacific Northwest is crazy. I mean like any Bigfoot person knows that. But once you start experiencing it for yourself out there, it's like, yeah, it's a whole different, whole different story. And you you had you had some some other stuff happened out there in Oakridge that you didn't get to share on the episode that that came out about uh maybe about a month or so ago.

9:57 Oh yeah, I should just jump into that. The the essentially, I had talked to Dwayne, Uh he was on previous episodes of the Oakridge stuff, and like he was at the festival. And I got to chat him up and like just listening to his stories and like him describing like he was looking at Oakridge, like the ridge line that was facing across the river from the farc like I was looking at it, Like it was like he like he could hear hear them like swinging through the trees and like moving around and like just like I could, and then when as the sun was setting, you could you could really like see the twinkling eyes of the juveniles and like the the adults trying to just sort of like herd them in as like the as like the wildfires are are just raging, and what Dwayne said is like they're they're gonna be really uh geeked up because of the all the smoke and the fire, so they're going to be really active and really aggravated, so be careful and all that stuff. And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, but like I could you could see it like it's in Like it was like so apparent to most of the people there, they're, oh yeah, Bigfoot. Like it became like super casual, like instead of like this was an incredible moment where you should be just like taking it in everything, like yeah Bigfoot, you know, just like super

11:30 almost taking it for granted, like what we were experiencing. But the what Duene had told me, he was like at that park, he had had a lot of runnings just at the little camp around there, and he says that there was a male on one side. So I go and uh where my actually where my tent was like essentially set up. But I go down there and I decided to just there's like a little bridge. I crossed the bridge and I was like once I once I entered the woods, my ears are like on, I'm like listening, and I'm like I got my feethers out, I got my peripheral vision. It's like heightened awareness. So I just like slowly, quietly like walk up to to to the forest the park and just start walking in.

12:28 I didn't get more than like twenty feet before I heard like about three juveniles starting to like follow me in like maybe like thirty feet off of the trail. So I knew that that was the spot. So then I saw that there was a rock out cropping that was like just next to the bridge. So my backtracked went to the outcropping. I just stood out there on that rock out cropping and I just stood there and looked in their general direction. And then I heard another one about it was like swinging the trees up on the tree line. It was knocking rock down the cliff, and I looked up at it and like you could just I could hear this sound. I couldn't see them, but I could hear them and they're moving in close and just let them see me. And then I gave little you know, I turned just so they could see who I was and let them know that I know about them. And then I was letting them just see me.

13:22 And it's I think it's like a courtesy that they like to do. You just let them see you, and they'll they'll do the same for you. They might be from it like a distance or like next to a tree in a shadow, but they'll let you see them, like like the Vikings would do. You know, it's probably related, you never know, But I did that and it was it was fine, you know. And that night I like passed, I passed out and all that jazz. I was about to go to bed and I was in the tent and I'm like sitting in the tent and I hear like the big nail come out just just and he sniffs me, snips my tent. I can hear him. I'm so like close and like it's just like uncomfortable. I was like, oh, I don't like this. And like then I hear him like after he's done sniffing at my tent, he starts like milling around in the grass looking for bugs or whatever. And then finally he starts pumping rocks into the into the creek looking I'm sending for crowdads or something, and like I was like, okay, I unzip the tent, and then he just walked to the truck.

14:34 I sit in the truck, and like as soon as I sit down, I'm facing the ridge line, and you get that, I got that feeling like somebody was watching me, and so I just like instinctively look as we all would do in that situation. You do it at the grocery store or whatever. You just look over at somebody and they instinctively look at you. I did the same thing, except this time it was a female and she was up in the tree and her eyes lit up, and there was about three little juveniles like hugging this tree. And so suddenly the guy that knew who they were and I knew where they were, even though they were cloaked.

15:18 I suddenly became a threat. And it was like like I was trying to cut stir up anything else. I was just trying to like go to sleep in my truck, you know, and just have a little like like cut it off for the night and not causing any trouble, and like I I stepped in it, so I immediately like maybe like a couple of seconds, like right then and there she lights up her eyes and then she ape swings through the tree line just like her eyes are just like like at orbs, just like flickering through the tree line like a straight line she goes or maybe behind her feet, and then like a couple of seconds later, the mail is like his eyes are lit up and he's like darting back towards towards the tent, and then I lose sight of him.

16:12 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. And then like he starts messing with my truck that night, and like they ended up getting the print off of it, and like it was a crazy night. So the backup to that was like, wow, they were the next day while they were trying to get a print off of my truck, the sun was starting to set and then like I was starting to see a lot of twinkles up in the ridgeline from the other parking lot, a much bigger one, uh, more open like parking area. Uh.

17:06 And it's like not just like a couple of prince. I'm talking like a clean, like seventy five to one hundred like sets of eyes. And they were like cloaking in and out. You could see the light as like they went gray and like had a flash of light and then just little arms or like swing in and like climb up into the trees and getting to the tippy tops of these these uh doug firs, and uh I guess then there's some of them are ponder roses or something. But uh, just like a hundred one hundred little sets of eyes and they're all like clustered up, so all of a sudden and they're like stop and like looking at me. Right. So I'm just like on the side of the parking lot next to like the venue.

17:56 Everybody else is inside watching like one of the new documentaries that one of the researchers had coming up, and it's just sort of me just like just looking up at this, is experiencing this. You got a blood red sun as it's setting, smokes in the air like bright flashing eyes like twinkling, and like I pull up like a military you know those military flashlights, those big crazy bright ones. I flash them right at the top of the tree line, just to give them a couple of blinks, just to see what would happen, and they all go black.

18:38 They all shut their eyes and they stop. And then at that moment, I see like like a smoky like figure like come out of cloak jump from one tree that was directly behind the stage, overlooking the venue. Apparently the big male had been up the tree like casing me, like keeping an eye on me. I'm guessing probably through the whole event, just like he was like my chaperone, if you will. But like he hopped to the next tree, this little maple, and scaled down it, and I could see him just like his arms and stuff was like coming in and out of cloak. And then all at the very top of the fence. Uh, I got to see his eyes and they were like big black eyes.

19:29 But I could still see into the pupils of his eyes because this coloration of some of the the was his iris and stuff, and like had like a silvery little ring just just at the and a part of the pupil. But uh, he was just like looking at me directly, and uh, we're both locked eyes, and it was it was just like just like an intense moment where I knew i'd like messed up, and so I was like, okay, just like don't freak out. Just let him see you. Just look at him. He's letting me know not to do that again without like causing the seat.

20:20 So I'm like, okay, understood, I let you. And then he like hops down and I could see his like the figure as he slides down into like the river bank and starts moving towards like his side of the river over by my camp. So I'm like, I'm thinking, great, now I gotta deal with this guy. So towards the end of the evening, after everybody was like kind of like bedding down, I hid towards my camp super dark, and like I decide, I gotta I gotta pack up all my food and just get it out of the camp and put it in my truck. And so I did that, and on my way back, uh, I could I could tell that he was like right on me, just right on me. At the embankment, it was super pitch.

21:13 I couldn't see the river. It was sort of blacked out, and you could just feel, you know, you could just feel when they're there and they're watching, and it was that moment, and so I just decided to like make a peace offering, make sure I don't just disappear in the middle of this festival. So I just pull out pecans and like a couple of apples, and I just like just take a big old water pecans and I thought it down the little trail that where in the black sort of shadowy spot, and I throw like let the apples roll down. You hear them roll down, But then I heard them like hit the dirt, and I could hear him like just start like snacking on those pecans, and it was I guess he liked them, because at that point I ended up. You know, it's like good night, all right, And I go to the truck and instead of facing it towards the towards the but where I was parked before, I parked in the opposite direction, so I was facing the female with the little kids. I was just gonna be like facing away, facing the highway, essentially facing the parking lot, and like just sort of like cut it off and not get in too much trouble.

22:29 And like, because I gave him those nuts, I guess he he uh decided to just show himself to me and so like about one one in one thirty in the morning, I like sort of wake up and I see him. He just like or actually I don't see him. I hear him first. At first, I hear it like what I think is him. It's just a cat. It's like a straight cat wandering around like a few people saw it. But this cat was wandering around the area, and I was like, Okay, I guess he's gone. So I ended up, uh, I ended up just listening and I could still hear him sneaking up behind each tree.

23:23 So he was opposite side over by Dwayne, actually by Duyne's like little camp like moving from tree to tree. And then he slinked up at the bush right in front of my truck. And then he peeks his head out, comes out of club just for a second, long enough for me to see him like squinting at me. And he goes back on behind the bush and he peeks back. He did about three times, and I actually got to see his face, and it was like it pretty clear. I could I could, I could make out his face. But the thing is, it's like they look just like you and me, Like they they're like, look, they look like normal people. But then they have like features that are like you know, just the eye sockets are huge, right, His eyes were like all the other bigfoot I'd seen, Like the eyes were like kind of protruding a little bit because there's so big. His were set back in his head, like recessed in his head, and like like all of his features like like a like a typical like a you know, like a I want to say, like an Irish looking guy. But his eyes were huge and like really just black. But they weren't like slanted in any sort of way. They're just sort of like straight across like the Normally when you see like human eye, there's like an upturn or a downturn, and then there's

24:55 some people that are just like right across the middle. His eyes were like that, but like huge, and there was like a slight wrinkle at the at the bridge of the nose, and other than that, it was just like like just just like a regular looking guy with like big like flat lip or like like thin lips and all that. But like he had like I noticed he had, like his his hair was really short and just confirmed my theories about them them shedding. And we can get into that more. But like that's what I saw. That was like the big thing from Oak Ridge.

25:36 That's incredible. Were other people, well, I guess it sounded like most everyone was over by where the documentary is playing. But do you think other people may have experienced anything like that over there as well or. The Okay, so the ladies that were camping next to me, a couple of like special ed teachers, they got to hear like the rocks being thrown into the river because it was making such a funny sound of it was because like the bubbles were like reverberating and it was making like a like it just like a real funny sound because the way that the water was going to the speed of the water, and then like the I'm guessing the size of the rocks were just like creating such a cavity when they hit the water that you could just hear like like all the way to the bottom.

26:31 And like they were hearing that, and then some other ladies, like like in the other camp on the other side, I mean had heard like they told me like the next morning that something something got the cat that had been wandering around the straight cat. Oh wow. Yeah, So my guess is after he's done with me, he went and ate a cat. But but it's interesting when when you see this stuff and then like have like the little the little details like get confirmed, like the like how the rock sounded and like the stray cat is like slinking around. I don't think that was the only one that had noticed it, like other than one when it was like in the actual like area where they're showing the videos. But that was like it.

27:26 It was nice because like it wasn't like me just having like a you know, waking up from heavy sleep or something and like just like hallucinaedy or something. But yeah, it's it's interesting, but like no, no, no, not to me. Visuals. Some of the documentary people from What's That. Tea? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of them. They they asked, you know, like what was going on on where I was when I when I when I had the encounter the first night, and I just told them it was like it's like I was. I was told whereas the truck was facing, and I like pointed to like the general area and I told him just look for the flashing eyes. You'll see it. And then they just stood there for a second. We all stood there by the bench looking across the river and there it was like the the three little juveniles and then like a flash of the female then she was gone, and then there was like there was like actually like five or six more littler ones, like real tiny ones, just farther back in, but like they're all kind of in the same area.

28:45 And there was just like a lot of little babies just all over that hillside and they were like getting to finally getting to like see something like the flashing eyes. I'm like, they're like, oh my gosh, that too, and they were getting excited, and it was like it was nice to like have somebody like acknowledge and then like let me like show them and then like something happened. You know. It's like one thing when you tell somebody, that's another thing when you can bring them to the spot and like it's just like the magic can happen for you just enough for them to like get excited. It felt really. Good, yeah, And that that one of the cool things about about that festival. Where you know, you can go to like a big foot conference or festival, but or let's say a big Foot conference, but it might be like downtown in the middle of the city, but like this one is very unique because it's in the park on the side of a river and across the bridge of that river. I know I've said this before, but is a literal like it's the literal wilderness of Oakridge, and it's where most of the town people when I was talking to people before I got there, like, that's where a lot of there's site things actually take place in Oakridge is across that bridge on the other side.

30:05 So it all lines up. Man. But it's very it's a very unique thing where you can experience that festival, but you also are so close to potential area for for experiencing some things as well. It's very cool. Yeah, it's like it's it's that it's that line between like being a like like believing and knowing and like you know, like you like I heard I got to listen to your little experience with the with the screen. Yeah, like you you interviewed enough people and you believed and like you had a couple of little experiences. But when you had that scream, there's that knowing.

30:50 Yeah it uh, I came back from Oregon a totally a totally different person. Is very weird. It's it's hard to explain but I think that might be part of it. Big society will be right back after these messages. It was just it was just very cool but also very strange. And having the having the legs messed up that didn't help either. So next year, I'll try not to do that.

31:40 I just kept looking at it was like, le'd you step in? What's what's that? Oh, I gotta watch out for poison oak And yeah, you just saw you just mess with your legs. It's like, oh, yeah, it doesn't look good. Yeah, yeah, the doctors still have no idea, but it's it's it's out of there no matter what it was. So who wow, Yeah, it's a man. It's some very interesting things that happened about around that festival. And I'm actually, I want to say tomorrow I am interviewing another gentleman who I guess. So here's the thing about this festival.

32:20 There were like all these groups of people that were doing things around the area at the same time and having these like weird things happen related to bigfoots. So there's really yeah, there's multi man, it's it's coming out. There's multiple storylines. Well I guess you could call them storylines that were happening around the same time during this festival. So I'm going to talk to Bill tomorrow and his will probably be coming out pretty pretty quick after this episode gets released in the future. But so are you you're planning on coming back in twenty twenty five? You think or should?

33:06 Yeah? I think so. I think so. Yeah, that's cool. I am there. What else if next year, if something is going down over there, hopefully I can. I can be aware enough that I'll I'll check it out next year as well. Oh yeah, that'd be pretty cool. But so you mentioned you had some some other things that you you had going on as as well. Josh oh Man, Yeah, the Yeah, I need to talk about Cultist Lake. I need to get that up there absolutely.

33:51 This summer, we ended up going on a camping trip out to uh and approximately the same kind of a it's like it's like in that that mountain range we're at with where Oak Ridge was, but a little farther down the road and like more inland, so it's like kind of halfway to to Bend. But it's a it's a little lake called Cultis Lake and uh, you know, beautiful, little like campground, real spat, real spacious, like a lot of elbar room between each campground. I'd highly recommend it if you're a big footer, and I totally recommend it, But like if you just like a good like experience with the family in terms of like having a nice, big, spacious like lot to camp on, it's totally. It's it's right on the money. They have boat Reynolds and all that stuff, and like it it's it's kind of amazing in a certain way. But when I got there, it was like fourth of July. It was like the weekend before fourth of July, and so everybody was like you just ripped Laren just going crazy and like they were like laughing and drinking and like there was multiple parties, multiple languages, like people. It was like it was fourth

35:22 of July season, you know, and like you know, it's it's rowdy. Like my my wife and daughter like starting to bed down and story time and all that stuff, and like I decide I'm just gonna stay up a little bit and just like started like see see what's going on. Like I'd like i'd like to if I'm gonna go to sleep, I like to see what what's out there and like what's like sneaking around because that's when like when the when the critters come out is that at night mostly, and I just wanted to, you know, make sure there was too much like bigfoot activity and there's plenty of distraction, So I didn't want to be like advertising that I knew about them. But you know, every time I do that, I end up making it worse, and that's exactly what happened here because, uh, you know, I had just got that flashlight that I mentioned in like the previously, just a few minutes ago, and so I wanted to just like see how high I could make it beam up into the sky. I was just you know, just like playing with it for a second, like turning it on for the first time, really just like cutting loose and then like shining see how far across the lake I could shine it. But what that did was like it I think I probably looked like a big foot or something like shining my eyes, Deamon,

36:54 my eyeballs. And then one of them came to like check me out. Like immediately, it was like I could hear the crackle and the branches, and there was like a couple in the camp next to me, and like they're like an old like old timer, like like an outdoorsman type. And I think he he he knew what was going on, but I think he was just trying to have a good time with his with his wife and they were He wasn't about to like just point it out, but I could I could tell he was tracking it too. But that thing was like crackling through the dry branches. It starts to get really dry when you get over the mountains and like get closer to uh then it starts turning into high desert. And so we're in that like transition zone, and like all the branches are super dry, and so when they when they run around or they're moving around through the trees, it's it's super obvious and like and like they can't really hide themselves very well. But people are our people, and they got their own lives, and they don't pay attention to anything even when they're out in the woods. And like, I uh got a like I actually got I turned off the flashlight and I was just standing there in the dark for a second, just waiting to see what was around. And all of a sudden, I just see

38:26 like a quarter of like an arm a chest and like half of like the mid section and like the head like come out of cloak, hanging from like the tree that was in my campground, right above the fire pit, maybe like fifteen twenty feet from me, come out of cloak and like go up into the tree. Like he moved into the tree. I saw him, and then I could I was trying the flashlight up there just to sort of like spook him off. Maybe I was hoping that would work, but that doesn't work. Just for the record, that doesn't work. But he like just stayed up there, and then he moved to the other tree, and he here crackling as he moved up, and he just sort of hung out there, and he could hear the the timber just sort of like waning a little bit and crackling in the in the in the core like it's like you know, and like just the little twigs and branches as he's like moving up trying to get into the comfortable position and just wait for me to go back inside and h the whole time. So I just decided, you know what, I'm just gonna go inside. And uh, my daughter was already asleep for because it was a big day and like story time was done and she was out cold. It was just my wife and I get in there and I listened and I told her

39:58 what I just saw, and sheers, she's she was still on the fence at that time about all this stuff, and she didn't want to sort of address it. But I was like forcing the voicing her to like deal with it, because I wasn't about to just like, uh, you'll go back in the big foot closet with you. I I. I just was like telling her point blank, like I just saw something out there, and she says, well, then you just need to You just need to stop staying up so late, and you need to go to sleep. And I said, okay, I will. But then as I wed, as I'm laying there, you can hear I got to hear ah, but you can still hear the people's still rowdy, and over them, you got to hear like just like identical to the Sierras sounds, so like two of them were two bigfoot were arguing in the background, and I could like it was like then that was like the let samurai talk, but over her over the people like screaming and yelling, and so you couldn't if you don't know what it is you will tell when I caught it.

41:09 But it was like super loud, and I told my wife, so did you hear that? And she's go, that's a that's big foot talk. And she's like listens, she her eyes get big, goes uh uh, you know it's not drug people. I was like, nobody speaks that language, I said, and yeah, and like you just hear it, like them like going bantering back and forth, and like either they were talking to each other or talking to the guy, the one big foot that was in my camp looking at me. I'm like, sort of like massive around. They probably saw me beam the light and like they're they're already like geeked up from like all the people being rowdy and loud, but I beamed the light and they he was checking it out and they're probably like when is it, you know, like just trying to figure out what's going on, because it was like campers and humans are all this. It's gonna be the same story over and over again. That's nothing new. But when it's something out of ordinary, they're gonna they're gonna get curious and they're gonna investigate them like they're the they in some ways, like you don't know what they're saying, you know what, basically, what's what's going on. There's just certain like idiosyncratic like things that they do that we do, and you just sort of get the gist of what's going on, like without like projecting too much, you know, but uh, you just sort of get the the vibe of like then

42:43 wanting to know and like arguing back and forth. And then there was that. So my wife got to hear this essentially the Sierra sounds. She could cared less. She wanted to go to sleep, but I was like I was just like sitting there on my knees, just lit in the tank, going oh my gosh, and uh and I she finally made I finally laid down and like tried to sleep and all that, and uh the next night we bed down. This time, I go straight to bed. I don't want to mess with anything. And but like I could once everything everybody was like down, and it got it was a lot quieter. Everybody was down. I had to go to the bathroom and a few people left and so there was like a bunch of empty campgrounds and I had to go to the bathroom. I had to walk through with my little lantern and I could hear him crackling in the in the trees watching this he was coming, but I'm lucky looking straight at him, and I'm just like I stopped to acknowledge them. And then I go into the bathroom and I come back, I do the same way, and I can hear them like following me a little more but looking at me.

44:05 And so then I go back to my tent and it's like nothing else happens, but I think it was the following night is when like the action happened. Some new people come in on either side of us, and they're they're they're talking a lot, and they're making noise, and like after most people have bedded down and the camp guard got pretty quiet, I could hear the crackling and then the sound of them like clumping down, plumping down out of the trees, like they landed there in camp, and they all made a bee line for the tent and there was like I think three or four of them just on. It was like at least like three of them like it in the camp. The like I heard him and I heard like the the communication the female like gives like a like a like a tonal like hum sounds like and he was like he gave like a long like with like three like radily clicks and they're like click click click, with with a snap pop at the end. And then all of a sudden, I just hear a stomp stomp, stomp, like a crinkly

45:37 stomp as he's like on my tarp, just like stomping it. And then then all of a sudden, it sounds like a little like mouse or something is by my my t get confused for a second. I'm like, oh, man, let's what's going. On big for society? Who will be right back after these messages? And all of a sudden I realize it's a finger. And then he starts feeling up the corner of my tent, and then all of a sudden he starts like reaching and grabbing and snatching at the at the bugs at the top of the tent. We had left the lamp on for my daughter. She's just still afraid of the dark, and so we just he had like attracted all the bugs under a rain fly and so like you just hear like the the sound of like you know, someone like rubbing the tent, and like you know that that whippy rippy sound that like the tents make when they're like rubbing together. But it was just like just me, My wife's passed up, the daughters passed up, and my just me and my pounding heart. As I'm listening to all this stuff because I knew they just made a beeline.

47:05 It was. I heard one of them like like lifting up and like pushing stuff around on the on the table and like messing with the toes, and uh. It was it was a little intense because like as soon as he started like taking stuff, I could hear him like chomping, like his huge teeth and like his massive jaw and like the fangs inside his mouth and everything was clacking around. But like it was like chump, chump, chump, chump, like just intense, like like horse teeth, like just just chomping down. And he's just like it's like eating all the bugs out of the out of the the rain fly.

47:49 And I'm like sit up. I'm like, oh my gosh. And then like when I sat up, the female like flashed her eye, like one of her eyes at me through the tent, kind of like a flashlight, just to let me let me know that they were there and not to come out and I was like, oh my gosh, my heart's pounding, so laying back and I'm just listening to like these like chattering like monster teeth just like clacking around and the fangs are clapping against each other, and it was so intense. It's so terrifying, and like I wasn't sure where this was headed, you know, was like, is he a few runs out of bugs? Is he gonna work on us? Like like because it's it's clearly they know I know, and I'm interesting to them in some sort of way, but I don't know their temperament, if they're like crazy or not, or if they're super aggressive.

48:45 But what they were doing was super aggressive because normally they'll keep their distance and like they like to have a tree or something between them. But they they were like just like made the bee line. As soon as I went inside, they made the bee line, and uh yeah, that was that was enough for me. I was like I didn't want to like push it any further, and I sort of convinced my wife that we need to just pack up and go. We still had another night left on our reservation, and I wasn't about to hang out for the for the rest of it, and she was sort of bummed about it. But uh, we packed up and finally left and like that was Cultus Lake.

49:32 And did did you did you look around? Uh, notice anything weird or out of the ordinary the next morning, like any any broken sticks or or footprints or anything weird like that around your your tent site. No, there was no no prince. I couldn't see any prince. But I did see chewed branches, like the when they chew the bark that chewed the inner bark you can see like usually the fame marks. I could see the fang marks of them chewing the stripped branches everywhere. And I saw this weird stump in the middle of the in the middle of the camp. It looked like it had a rock in it, And I actually found a rock that was down on the beach. It looked like it was like a like a grinding stone or something or hammerstone, somebody using it to like grind stuff with.

50:30 And I think it was probably there there there they're cracking stone that they used, and they probably used it in that spot. But like I put it in there, and it fit like a glove, like it had been pounded into that stump, like over a long period of time. Like this was an old dead stump, but it was clearly it had been worked and it was like chisel marks and it was like smooth in some parts, but like it had been like cracked with a rock like hundreds of times and in this one spot on the stump. And it was so weird, like because like I was like, oh, I could just put it here. But then I put it there just just to like fill my daughter, like and tell her about like Native Americans and like all that stuff and like how they would grind like things like seeds and stuff, and to give her a history lesson just like make the more aware of nature and like how to use things and stuff. But then like, but as it I placed it in that stump, it just like fits so perfectly, and it was the shape of rock, and I think it was just there. They're a little hammerstone that they used to like crack the nuts whatever nuts they found out there. But I did notice that, like the the surrounding vegetation had been trampled pretty well, like there's still like underbrush and a lot of the forests in that area. But like this this section, like you see that the trees were pushed over, and

52:02 like there was a lot of like trees that were stripped of their bark, and then like you would see like where there should be like like underbrush, it's like all like like trampled, uh, vegetation, like branches stripped of their leaves, and like clearly they'd been like feeding in there. But like, uh, some these kids found what was a little fort made out of like giant logs, and they said, some guys were working on it, and look what guys, we're working on it. But they didn't want to hang out and talk to me about this little fort. But I was like looking at it. It was like lined with like cedar fronds and.

52:45 Like like it looked like a bigfoot nest and like like what I've noticed about like in here and like just in the West Lynne in general. Like if the kids see one of these little structures, they I think it's just a regular fort, and they start like building on top of it and playing in them and stuff and like, but you can always tell when kids do it and like it stuff's out of place and it's just like sort of sort of like halfway finished, but when a bigfoot's doing it, it's complete and there's like a bed in there to sleep on, and you definitely like live in there or like get out of the rain. Ah. And that's what this little, this little fort had. It was like it had a bed inside. It was right next to the water. It was underneath a clump a clump of trees. The logs are massive. There was like I a little a little big for a camping trip. For somebody to say, hey, let's build a fort out of these gigantic logs for no reason instead of like just bait some bathing on the beach in kayaking, you know it. It was like maybe some guys like maybe the I'm thinking that these kids found found a little little hut and uh, I'm like they just saw these guys like putting it together because they they also found it and thought it was

54:17 neat and they were just in there drinking around. Probably thought someone else did it. It's always like somebody else like too big, but nobody's like no, you never like meet the the original Oh yeah, no, that was me. I did that. It's always like a second second, oh yeah, I know some other guy someone else, and it's never so I had a little Yeah, there was that little fort there was at the very edge of the lake in our campground. They had the little stomp the I went and checked the table to see if they hadn't messed with anything, and everything was like slid back into place. But I could hear them like messing with it, like trying to lift open to tots and stuff. But then they stopped and I couldn't find a single footprint, like but I did, I did hear. But what I did find was at first thing in the morning when I came out, I found like some of the bug car carcasses, as they were like sliced and hal look like somebody cut it up with scissors. So it was like razor sharp cuts. So like the teeth or razor sharp meant for like I'm guessing, like just like cutting tearing like meat, you know, and like this meant for like eating deer whatnot, you know, just like meat eaters. But like the the cuts on the wings were like like angular and just

55:51 it was crazy. It was like super like ray like somebody hit it with like a little like exact a knife or something like just clean cuts, not smashed too much, just like clean sharp cuts on some yellow jackets and and moths and stuff. It was. It was kind of crazy. But that's about all I saw for like like anything left behind. That's that's really interesting. So you're saying multiple, multiple different types of bugs were found cut apart, not just like cicadas are all one kind. No, No, there's all sorts of difference. So what what Because like the it's high desert, there's a lot less water and what what's been What I noticed was like along the shoreline, there's a point where the water lapped up, but I didn't go any farther, and that's you'd see like just a line of bugs. All the bugs in the area were just like like like a thousands of bugs at the water point, just coming to get a drink of water. Would be bees and hornets and wasps and like moths and butterflies and ants and like beetles and just all sorts of beetles like the species I've never seen before, you know, steam bugs, all just everything just ants too, just all along this one waterline. So I'm thinking they just for the most part probably just

57:23 live off of the bugs and nuts or something and like like tree bark get their water. I mean, the food sources there, the waters there, the shelters there just like it's it's just interesting because like each each biome has its own like you know niche like food sources. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah that is That is a good point. There's a thought I had. I want to make sure I don't forget it. You've mentioned a few times where you've seen Bigfoot coming in and out of cloak or cloaking.

58:12 When you have them, let's say they're in full cloak. What are the main things that you notice to let you know that, hey, there's something there, it's just in cloaked mode. What are the things that tip you off? Normally you hear them, hear them coming stepping around. They are they aren't breathing too heavy, like I'll hold your bread, but like if they want to move or anything like that, usually you might see just the slightest like parallax, like just a little bit of like like just a little distortion, but not a lot. Like No, it's like it's like pretty much crystal clear, like but when they move, there's just the slightest little razor thing like sharp line, and you can usually make out there subway if they if they move just a little bit, the front end will will be like like either white or you'll see like a like a like a black shadowy line, but one or the other, Like I think it's I wanna say it's the front the front side of the direction of movement, it will become like gray and like almost like a white light. And then on the back side it'll be like a shadow. It'll be a really like razor, like a like a little somebody took a sharpie. But but

59:42 it looks like like a bubble, like like a blow bubble, and it just looks like just like a super like glassy, uh silhouette, but it's like super crystal clear. But like sometimes when they're moving fast, asked, that's when like that that white light, I don't think they can keep up with it, and like it just looks like a glow. And then like might have you might have a little flash of light off of it, but like you'll see like a silhouette of arm and like maybe some of the face or like you'll get a torso and like you'll just have like maybe a flash or like a couple of frames. You're as they as they come out, they'll like move and then like just as quick as you're seeing the silhouette. It's they go back in the cloak and you can't see them anymore. So if what if what I see is like either there like it's like that gray, smokey look, or it's like they'll put out like a like a like a black shadow in front of them and you can't see anything in the general area, or or it's like crystal crystal clear, like a bubble with just the slightest hint of like a distortion.

1:01:13 But like one of the one of the the speakers there was talking about infrasound and all that stuff and how that affects Yeah, and I was I was super fascinated by that because I hadn't looked out for it or like been really aware of it until like after he said it, and then I really started like it was on my radar and then I and like yeah, they I uh, I actually got this is like this was like night before last or it was like three nights ago. They were My daughter was like well wound up and I was just trying to get her to bed, and like, uh, anybody listening. I have like a family bigfoot living behind my house, and like they we have a routine where I we go to bed and go upstairs and turn out the lights, and there they come spilling out of the woods. So they want to interact with us too much, and they just want to like sort of stay in their light.

1:02:19 Big for a Society will be right back after these messages. And so they wait and like before they start feeding and I put out nuts for them and all that stuff, and it's everything is cool and smooth and like, but with this infrasound stuff, like she was she was wound up and she was just taking away too long I think it was, but I think it was like almost like almost ten thirty, almost eleven o'clock, and she was just going bonkers, and I was just trying to get her upstairs, and like I could I heard like this was what I heard, was like a and like I felt I felt them like sort of like and then like a second one and they both, like I felt that like vibrate my my heart and my chest like two like sticks sort of stabbing through my chest like one and then from the side to just just sort of like nudge mes, like get the show on the road, and like they just both sort of nudged me. And then that was it. And like but that low, deep, like vibrational sound, but it was like super sharp and focused in one little area and like like my chest

1:03:51 was just like rumbling. It was so crazy and like it it's it's funny, like I think a lot of their communication is revolves around like this humming they do. Let me make sure I'm staying on track, but oh yeah, I can talk about this. This is one of my points. Ah. But there's like a low tone like hum that the female does. Ah. Let me, let me, let me backtrack a little bit. There's what I've what I've noticed like since uh uh and recently I'm here is like here in west Land is like I was out in the front driveway and I was listening see what's going on, and I heard like distinctly, like a raspy little babies cry coming from the woods, maybe like thirty feet out.

1:04:54 And I don't know if it was being born or if it was like a newborn, but like it was like a I know the sound of a crying baby. It's like it's instinctive, you know, you just know it. And and so it was coming from the woods. So I think like the female had another baby, and so like the following day I got to hear her. I went outside the check on my little garden. As I stepped out, I was real quiet, and I heard her like just in the bushes on the inside of the fence, and she's just I mean, soothing the baby. And it was like a like a m like just like that.

1:05:42 And I was like, oh my god, and I even felt a little suit. I felt good. I was like, oh baby, but that hum. But they do it's it's really interesting and like a tone and like if they do communicate, it's very rare, like they don't do it all the time, but when they do, it's it seems like it's like a huh and like each each home has like a a meaning for something right, and they're they're communicating all sorts of stuff inside of like a bait what what we would call it, just like one one like a like a like a vowelshound or something or you know, just like one part of a word.

1:06:27 It's like a whole sentence is being said inside of one hump and uh. I uh. I just it was like it's like there's there's like the side of it. It's like the terror and like the carnage and like the the absolute brutality of like being a wild man, but then they have this totally like human side to it. It's just like magic. And uh, I've learned to just sort of like take it as it comes and not get too wrapped up in the fear of like what they're doing, because like maybe like a lot of stuff when they you hear like people talking about they weren't they're screaming at each other and they sounded ferocious, and maybe it wasn't ferocious and it was just casual conversation and they were just having talking to their cousins across the across the valley, and it just sounded intense to us because we just have already like stopped middletoned like conversations and like, but uh I had a juvenile reveal itself to me and like, what what has gone on? And I was I had walked a lot of my activity happens like around my garden and so because it's like right up against the forest there,

1:07:59 and I had walked check on my garden, and uh it was like eleven o'clock or something, the middle of the day, and uh, I just catch a whif of like fermented pea. I'm like Oh my gosh, what is that? And I'm like I thought maybe I was, like, you know, I was making some you know, plant fertilizer with like the weeds. You know, I thought maybe it was my stuff. But it wasn't. Like the wind, the breeze was coming towards me and I'm blowing that smell away, So it wasn't my stuff. And it was I stood in the garden, I didn't smell it, and then was sudden hear like a little twig break, and then like I could hear and move a little bit, and then like it'd smell like just rotten pea. And I was like, I go, it smells like rotten pea over here. And then I was just I just said it out loud to the bushes, and then he just decides to just go. He has like a long age sound so like a and then it goes and I just almost sounds like a like a bear or something, but like just this long sort of like h like tone.

1:09:20 And Josh, have you talked to them verbally a lot? Or is that a thing where that only happens rarely? It it only happens rarely. I like a couple of times, like when I first met the female when I had stuck my head out to see what was like scooching up to my window, because at that point I was still like in sort of like a weird denial state of like the stuff I experienced in Alaska. It was just in a Alaska and it was fine here, but hold on, yeah, make sorry. I verbally said to the female like, Okay, I'm going to sleep then, and she like waddled her head and like she sat down and like I went to bed. But for the most part, most of the communication is like, uh, through like an eyed blink or like they just used their eyes or something like that to sort of signal to me. But uh, usually it's it's like an unspoken communication. So you just

1:10:52 you gotta sort of go with your gut and what your gut's telling me about what the situation is, and like try not to like perduce act too much into it because like there is that fear factor of like it's a big giant like Harry Mann is like it's like looking at me, and it's like it might not be anything. It might just be friendly, you know. And I made the mistake initially with with these guys is like assuming the worst and just like eyeballing them and just doing all this aggressive activity just to sort of assert my dominates and it's like sort of snowball then like created like a situation, but it's it's all like stuff and down now. But for the most part, in terms of like communication wise, usually I mean a whistle at me and stuff like that, but nothing, it's usually just like an like an acknowledging, like they like light up one eye or something and just let me see them.

1:11:58 And then like they'll they'll just sort of go about their business just sort of and I was, I'm saying, I'm right here and sort of like you know, just just to be respectful, I guess. And uh. But like in terms of communication, you can sometimes hear them. They'll argue with each other, but they'll never like communicate directly with me. And that was the first time I since like I saw her where I just said something to one of them. And so but getting back to the bush, like you like the like I he gave out the tone and then he walked, there's a there's a log along my fence. He walked out onto the log where there was no branches like growing out of it and I got to see them and like I was standing six or seven feet from them, and he was just like looked at me. And then it was what was surprising was like he was all black. He was one of the juveniles. And I'm pretty sure he's been living off of my my nuts, like my handouts for this entire time, and like I think I try to leave them stuff, and so they'll they'll get nuts and they'll come out on the roof and I'll watch YouTube videos or something and they'll come up and just like get in the window. They'll cloak. But uh yeah, there's like

1:13:29 there's I'll be six of them that I've seen and I can get into that part too. But like the communication stuff has been mostly just like like IY gestures, like if they're mad at me, it's like a broken two egg, they'll they'll throw it. But for the most part, they if they're upset, they'll push over a tree or something just let me know without like verbally saying anything. But we haven't communicated directly. It was the first time I just said something. It's really interesting. Yeah, But after that, after he stepped out, it was like suddenly they weren't cloaked. They were like maybe they'll have a little shade on them, like we'll have that shadow to them and they'll like slink a round more and they'll walk around more. But there's like, like the the cloaking is pretty much stopped now, and like I think they're they're just focused on like packing calories for for winter now. But last winter. Oh, I got to describe this guy. I can't just leave you hanging with that.

1:14:50 So the thing about like the other sad squatch I've seen and like right about now, is like they shed their fur and they start growing the new fur, and it's usually probably like a like an inch inch and a half long by now. Some of them are still like bald, you know, it's got nothing on him, slower growing. But this guy, he had the winter for and it had kept growing, and so he had like this crazy mop top looking like uh, Tina Turner, just just crazy long like wiery hair like a chimpanzee, but like sticking out straight. It wasn't laying down, It was like sticking out straight like the sideways, but just like flared out all around and like you know, black skinned, black eyes, like all everything just totally black, like a like a little black bigfoot. He looked at me, I looked at him, and then he walked into the woods. But after that I started seeing them all over the place because they weren't like cloaked around me during the day. And so when I was putting out nuts, I saw one across this across the way looking at me, and like he was just trying to hide and play insight and just sort of see what I was just putting out for the night. You know, it's just kids. It was a juvenile,

1:16:21 but like he had already knocked off his favorite branch and the neighbor's like driveway. He knocked it clean off, and it was a big branch, and I'm sure they don't know what it is or what knocked down that branch, but like he was in and like the one and behind the fence, like just past that neighbor's driveway, and he was just watching me. And at first I thought it was my neighbor. I was like, why is the neighbor watching me throughout nuts? Big for society? Who would be right back after these messages?

1:17:08 Do I have to explain what's going on? Hope not? And then I realized it was it was one of them and then like just like a ghust, it just like slides to the out of sight along the fence line and then it tries to get away, but the problem is it knocked over a bunch of recycling cancer. It was super Lou had knocked over like the neighbors like recycling and you just hear the candrol and all over the side drive away and it was just a little comical because he was like trying to be smooth and and he just totally biffed it. But and then like my wife had I finally we were like at the table. We had just finished I think we had lunch and it was like midday, and like right before she came in into the little dining room, I had the window open. I heard like like I think it was two solid raps with a little switch a branch on on my fence, like just the fence post. It was like wap wap, and then I heard like the big female start to move and then like nothing. So then my wife comes in. She sits down, we're chatting and like reading her lunch, and then I I like, like a minute later, there's like a juvenile I got

1:18:41 the full shot side view of a juvenile and like it looks like any other ten year old kid except for the little bump, and I think that might be I might have seen the satchettle ridge finally, but like the way the neck rested on the on the on the skull, it just looked like like Neanderthal or like a sort of like it had like a big back part of the skull, but like most like Europeans, they'll have like a more much flatter back part of their skulls, much less pronounced, except for like the Hungarians. But this, uh, it had a really long like backside of the skull, like just like just like Neanderthal. It was like a long skull, uh, you know, the the the heavy brow line.

1:19:39 But then the nose was like modern looking and like the cheeks were full, and it just looked like a like a ten year old kid but he's just going to see what Mono was doing. But like his skin was like bald. There was no hair on him at all. It was just just a little bit of a cone on the head and like maybe like like an inch and a half off the off the base of the head, not very big, but like just just a little bit poking off the top and like I said to my wife, locking, Okay, look, look, look, and she's like looking around, she's not seen anything all of a sudden, like he's just passes by, and then she finally catches the backside of him as he's moving through the woods and she finally got to see a little bigfoot like slinking through the woods going to see what mom wants, and like it was like you know, and you're just like it's like vindication. It just felt so good to just finally have that moment where she was always just like sort of blowing me off about the whole thing and being on the fence, and then now she had to be she had to acknowledge it.

1:20:50 Because that was the first time she's she's seen one. Correct, Yeah, actually seeing and like and like even still I think I think pride is like, you know, he kicks in, you know, she doesn't want to us, Like are you still talking about that? I'm just like I can't get over how I got you to see a big foot whatever, ma, But it just it just felt so good. Like but just a lot of that stuff has just been like crazy, like the moods changed beforehand.

1:21:32 I mean, I can get into the other stuff that I need to talk about. I know beforehand, the the mother had I kept making eye contacts, like when at night she would go at the beginning of the summer, she would go out, get up into one of the trees and start looking for deer, and like I would be looking out the window and I like see a light here and there, and like try not to look at it and stuff. But they get so mad because they're they're trying so hard to focus on what they're doing, and they gotta scan when they're when they're looking for animals, they gotta scan and gott methodical and they're it's not like us where we're like peripheral and like we're just like there it is and just like we're just like we shoot arrows and throw spears and stuff, so we like pinpoint peripherally, like like they have to like like meticulously like scan left or right and like like a like a like like it's radar or something like just they'll do it real slow and they'll just do it the same way back and forth until they see something.

1:22:50 And uh, but it's they get so mad because like I I pop out and I just like immediately pinpoint on them and look at them, and I just sort of break their concentration, and like when they get mad, they sort of like give like a little and then like they just shake their head and rage and like like just like like big big head shakes and the rock back and their head shake in their heads and then like the climb down or whatever and then just get mad. But this time I did it. I didn't know. I wasna I sort of like fell asleep in the guest bedroom and it was facing the backside of the house and I had woke up about like two in the morning. I just woke up, sat up for a second.

1:23:42 The blinds are open, and I'm just like looking and I see, you know, I'm just looking around. I'm so tired, and like look over, I see like this glowing light and I'm like it's it's flickering. I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, I hope something's not on fire. I thought it was a and so I look over and I'm looking at it harder, and then I see the two the two well, it looks like it starts to like flicker and it looked like it was on a tree. I was like, oh my gosh, I thought it was one of the schools around fire or something, and I was like, oh, am, I supposed to I need to call nine one one. I'm looking at it and it and then all of a sudden, I don't see it anymore.

1:24:26 And then I see it again and it looks like headlights. I'm like, oh, oh, it was just a car. I guess car up a tree. No, that doesn't make sense. Oh, it's it's the female. I don't know better. I'll just stopped looking and so, but she was. She was crossing fields, swinging between trees, jumping on rooflines, making a bee line straight for me. She was so mad at uh and like I'm lying down, I'm looking up and and like there's like red light juice like flick on the wall, and like the all the brush between me and her. She was probably like a mile out and she was covering ground. It was just like you just see it, like bobbing as she was like moving straight for me.

1:25:13 And I look again and it's her and like she she beams me, and like like my eyes just fill up with like this red red light and like I like I'm starting to feel like the energy like just like bouncing around inside my like I eyeball like like it. I felt the heat on my skin, like it was different. It was different than their like normal light passive light where you just maybe it's reflected. This was like they were emitting a light and it was like warm, and I could feel the heat in my eyeball and I was starting to see red around everything, and it was starting to get intense and it was starting to I was it was starting. I was starting to only see red.

1:26:02 So I looked away as much as I could, and I just decided, like I need to disengage. I'm just close my eyes and just go lay down. Just lay down and like not like escalate this any further. And like I heard her finally like get to the to the floorst behind the house, and she's like moving through and I just hear her like creeping and just looking waiting for me to like pop my eyes open and just look at her. And like I knew just to just go to sleep and it'll be fine. And it was, but like she anytime I would like like look around, I just see her like just get really aggressive and like just like follow me in the in the brush.

1:26:53 If I sat down, she'd like look and I could see her eyes without the light on, but like she'd look at me make sure I'm not doing anything funny, and like like the ISRN was on me for like a good while. So finally now after she had that baby, it's been like super mellow. I think she's just in a good mood. But like I haven't had any problems where just everything's just smoth and like smooth as butter. And I've learned to just not like see that's like like if I see it in my periphieal, don't look at it. Just focus on what I'm doing. I look at the light like a glance over for a second, but I don't look back, you know. I just let her do her thing and just sort of like try to stay in my lane. But they get they get really frustrated when you're like looking at them while they're trying to do their thing. The I mean, I could speculate Nick maybe it's like like an add thing or something like they just they're wired for that and like that's what works for them, and like that might explain why like some people have add these days. It's just like some throwback mindset that actually worked in like the wild that kept us alive. But it's been uh like just a matter of like really just like trying to

1:28:23 like respect their boundaries while they try to respect mine. And like another time previous to that was like well this is this was I think this was. I can get into the coyote story, that's a good one, but I think it was just after New Year's I think, uh, there had just been like a really hard like ice storm that like I've blown through uh west Land, and like there was like patches of snow on the ground, but like there was just like a biting, like a cold wind like blowing through constantly, and like most of the snow had melted off from like that ice storm, but they were still like patches, so I could see like parts of the forest. And when they're the juveniles were running through, I could see them a little better because they were backlit by the snow. And it was I think it was a might've been a full moon, because a pack of coyotes had been like howling that that night, and like so they got quiet and I'm like I'm hearing I can sort of I'm like hearing stuff and I'm like sitting on a being bag. I'm just uh in the in the breath in my back room, just like listening and ill asleep for a second and

1:29:54 I woke up and I heard that the yowls of like a whole pack of like coyotes and they were like right over the fence and like right in the bushes, and I like get up. I'm like, oh my gosh, like like a rabbit pack of coyotes just like just thrashing around. And like when it happened is the big male had gotten all the coyotes to get on him, and like you could hear him like like running through the woods and just grabbing them, and like he's just thrashing around back and forth, and like he's got he's got like that that black like shade up so I can't see anything, but like I got the window open.

1:30:40 I'm just listening to this whole thing I got. I'm like like nose against the window just like oh my gosh, and like I'm listening to this all this like like as each coyote is like getting crushed and then like here the yops like and they're just like melting off one by one and then like the the group would like like like get them and like bring them back and then like just like one by one, just like like they would melt off and then like you'd hear another one just like catch them and like snap their neck or whatever, and then they could I don't know how many coyotes were there, but there was a lot there. Had there been more than a baker's dozen. I mean, they could have been like twenty of them. It was a lot, and like they were just within like forty five seconds, the entire like pack was was dead, was done and wiped out. And I haven't seen any coyotes since, no sign, no poop, nothing like that. And but I could hear like I was just like looking and just trying to like see what's going on as I go to the the other window, see if I can get a better hang the boot at what's going on, And like the snow is back lit, and the juveniles start noticing I'm watching, and so then they come come out like they're gesturing back to dad or whatever. And I

1:32:10 can hear him just like smacking on coyote. You just hear him like hitting chewing the meat, and it's just like just like just really getting down and like midwinter probably I bet that was a welcome meal for them. But yeah, and I'm just listening to it, and all of a sudden, Uh, there's about six juveniles and they're all like the puffed out their the hair is about three inches long or something that they look like poofballs that little cones maybe like three four inches long, not very big. But their eyes are glowing and they're back lit by the snow, and they're all just like like looking back and the dad and like and like they're looking at me, and then like they're all dancing around or just like I could just see all of them like right there and they're like just maybe like ten feet and uh, they're all looking and I. And then I got the window open and I'm like sort of pressed against like the window screen and like trying to like see if I can see something. And all of a sudden, I just hear the the smack you stop because you know, just like the kids aren't eating the food.

1:33:33 And so then all of a sudden, I hear a stump and then like a stomp stomp stomp, stump stops up and he starts to run like he's starting to book it at me. I'm like, okay, so I turn around and I uh I just uh just disengage. But like ever since then, like like that, that's like that's what happened. So like by the time you get to the story with the female, like the the eye eyes and all that stuff, it's just like it's been a little like touch and go for the most part. But those those those six little like juveniles, they'll they'll come right up to the window and they'll be cloaked but don't know they're there because like their eyes will catch the shine. But they've been entertained by me this entire time, and so a lot of all I've been trying to do is like I know, like if there's some animosity towards me, uh oh wow, we've got an eye shine.

1:34:35 One of them was watching me. That's cool. Yeah, I know that, Like they're gonna get bigger, and I'd rather have like six of them in my quarter instead of like all of them pissed at me. So I've been just like throwing nuts out like you guys like peacons, you know. And so they they they'll come up, they'll watch they'll watch YouTube. They'll be smacking on nuts and like you could hear them like cracking the shelves, and like the almonds, you can hear them like split them in half as they are like true anoy and they'll just get their back right right up against the wall and there's like a little roofline that there's like cuts down right below the window, and so they'll they'll just be hanging out right there. And uh, just the other day they were sort of I kind an eye flash and I realized there's like all four of them were like pressed against the glass watching me hang out on the computer. And like sometimes when they when they want I think, when they want a little more or they don't know what I'm what I'm doing, they'll they'll one or two from the back will be like we'll give like a and like we'll give a little who sounds of like hearing what I'm doing and like or just they want to know what's what's going on, And that tells me like someone else is watching me right now.

1:35:57 So I just learned to just like well with it and just accept that they're just curious. And so yeah, a lot of things, Oh like this will lead into another part. I had put out one of those like you know, you get those rotistory chickens from the store. I like pulled off all the parts and I took the carcass and I just threw it out there with all the peanuts, and like I guess they got into that and like this this was like there are four days to go. But like then all of a sudden, I just hear all of them given pigeon calls. Like I think there was about four or five of them trying to call and a flock of pigeons because they were like they got tasted that bird meet and they wanted more, and so they were just trying to like calling a bird. But it's like, like I said, it's just like it's a carnage and then it's magic. And like I just I don't know, man, Like I don't know how I feel. But if you ever wanted to.

1:37:02 Come, I was just gonna I was just gonna mention it. It's really interesting to look at your entire story and see where you've come from, which what happened in Alaska was very traumatic for you, and then what's happening current day, Like there's some really cool stuff happening and and you're definitely able to, you know, slowly, you know, move into a different type of relationship, it seems with them down in your area, which is really cool. Yeah, I think I think a lot of I think a lot of people when you hear the stories and then talk about it, they'll have only a handful of experiences, but they don't get, you know, a second chance to just really like interact again. And like they'll they'll have like this because it's so traumatic, they'll have like this start look on it when it maybe it wasn't as dark as they thought, you know, and like it's like to us, like you know, peeking in somebody's window, that's being a creek. But to them, they're just curious. They don't they don't know those boundaries because if they if they didn't like you, you just like you wouldn't be around to like really like say, oh that was a bad experience that they would just get you, you know, and if you're so alive after that experience, it's just like take it as is. You know. Sometimes it's a warning,

1:38:35 but sometimes it's it's more positive than you realize. And but yeah, it's like you got like I got to remind myself that like it's it's like it's just it's just business, you know, a lot of it is just business. Mm hmm. That's that's very interesting, Josh has been. It's been uh, really insightful to hear from you again and to talk to you again and hear about what is currently going on over there with you on the on the coast. But thank you so much for coming back on the show and and for hanging out again. We'll be seeing you next summer back in Oakridge if all goes right for both of us, should be seeing you there. So but for sure, thanks again, man.

1:39:30 Yep, and just remember just just keep being keep banging the drum. A lot of a lot of skeptics are just skeptics, and they're always going to be skeptics. But there's a lot of people. Most people aren't going to be persuaded by facts or knowledge. They're going to be persuaded by the crowd. You just got enough people on board and those people will flip over and suddenly the skeptics just go away. And just it's about being a lot of it's about banging the drum more so than like how much evidence you can bring to the table. I mean, you look at the colossal squid or gorillas for that matter. It took a hundred years for them to acknowledge gorillas, but here we are, you know, so just keep doing what you're doing. You're doing good work and I appreciate the show.

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1:42:17 Her and I can get on here, we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out and now feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, and shame on you, you know, shame on you,