June 22, 2025

Bigfoot Zapped Her Mind — What Happened Next is Insane! | Oregon

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Season 1

What happens when a single mom moves to the forests of Oregon — and stumbles into a Bigfoot encounter straight out of a nightmare?In this chilling and deeply personal episode, we sit down with Kerry Vill, a member of the Lane County Bigfooters and a preschool teacher with a story that starts with a whistle in the dark... and ends with two Sasquatch creatures caught on thermal footage. Kerry walks us through over a decade of encounters — from tree structures and wood knocks to terrifying vocalizations and unexplained orbs — all hidden in plain sight near Eugene, Cottage Grove Lake, and the forests outside Oakridge. You’ll hear the story of how a summer camp drop-off turned into a paranormal investigation, how she endured a mind-zapping fear so intense it left her crying in a van, and why she believes Bigfoot might be drawn to those who are different.More than just a cryptid story, this episode is a raw look at belief, survival, and how the wild sometimes watches back.

Resources:Kerry's interview with the Area 58 museum - https://youtu.be/mzTAjbwUtJs?feature=shared

Kerry's channel - https://www.youtube.com/@lanecountybigfooters/videos

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account starts with a mother, a summer camp, and

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a whistle in the dark Oregon woods, and what followed

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was years of obsession and a terrifying proof that something

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is watching from the tree line with whistles, woodknocks, a

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van that turned into a panic room, and two massive

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creatures caught on camera. This is Carrie's account and it

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might be the most convincing one you've heard yet.

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So stay with us, all.

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Right, Big for Society, You've got the privilege of talking

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to Carrieville today. Carrie is from the group Lane County

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Bigfooters out there in Lane County, Oregon. I was able

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to meet Carrie at the Sasquatch Summerfest of twenty twenty four.

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We had a great chat and I'm glad to finally

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get Carrie on the show. How are you doing today?

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I'm very good. Thank you, Jeremiah, Thank you very much

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for having me on the show.

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Absolutely, it's I do love talking to people about the

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Pacific Northwest. It's a lot of fun and I especially

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like Oregon. So, you know, Carrie, I would love to

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start things off by, you know, do you mind sharing

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what it was that first got you into you know,

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bigfoot reagions.

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Executor of bigfooting. Yeah, well I never had given it

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much of a second thought until we moved out here

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to Oregon and I was taking my kid to summer camp.

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And I told this on another show at the museum

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out at fifty eight, like a couple months ago, so

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you could listen to it there also, so we'll see

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how similar the stories are. But I was taking my

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kid to summer camp. It was the end of summer

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in August twenty twelve, and he experiences multiple special needs diagnoses,

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and it was overnight camp, but he never made it

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one night overnight, so every night I had to come

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pick him up. The first night I came, they called

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me at like ten thirty at night, so I rolled

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in like eleven o'clock and they're all down at the

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campfire in the dark, you know, singing Kumbaya or whatever

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they're doing down there. And I have my binoculars, my

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mini van, and my coffee, and I opened the door

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and I'm stargazing and I start noticing out in the

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woods that something is whistling. And then I noticed there's

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two somethings whistling, and they're at different areas, and I

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listened to them for a while, and then, being kind

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of a smart halic, I whistled back in the same manner.

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And then it was me creature A or whatever you know,

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creature B, and then me and then A and then

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B and then me trading these whistles, and pretty soon

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I noticed they were triangulating on me and getting closer.

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Pretty soon, I have one behind a cabin and one

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behind a bus bar, and I'm like, there's something out there,

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and it's not a bird, because the birds didn't follow

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me in, right, And so the campfire broke up. I

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grabbed my kid, and I'm a little freaked out, and

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I go home and I start googling, and I started

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googling what whistles at night? And I started getting a

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whole bunch of hits on the female bigfoot that whistles

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to lure children into the woods. Now, now, mind you,

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my kids at summer camp, like, do not go out

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in the woods with anything whistling at you, right, So

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the next couple nights I had to pick them up

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at dinner, and the last night of camp, I'm like,

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all right, kid, you were staying till the bitter end,

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because I want another shot at this. And so I

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pulled up again ten o'clock or so at night, opened

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my door, and immediately something started whistling, and this time

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there was only one so he whistled back and forth.

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And from my little bit of research, I had figured

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out that they also knock. So I knocked twice. It

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knocked twice. I knocked three times. It knocked three times,

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and you know, mind blown, totally freaked out. There is

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something out there. And you know, I've told this story

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so much and I've thought about it so much that

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I don't have things in order anymore. Of which of

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the two nights, but one night I got zapped. I

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think it was the second night, you know, and people

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talk about being zapped, and this is the only experience

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I've ever had of this, and I had no idea

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what was going on, but all of a sudden, I

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was absolutely terrified. I slammed the door of my minivan

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and I literally cried on the floor of my minivan,

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just absolutely scared out of my mind. It snapped off instantly.

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I opened the door, picked up my coffee, and carried on.

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It was so weird. And one of those times also

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there was a small tree pushed over and all of

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these things. Now I realized our very typical bigfoot behavior.

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But back then my mind was just blown at the

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whole concept and I couldn't wait to find out more.

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It was like intro to big footing one o one,

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you know. I mean, there was a little bit of

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everything in there, and it just I was intrigued and

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scared and very curious. So I called the BFRO. I

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think that's when like finding Bigfoot was real big and stuff.

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And so I called the BFRO or contacted them, email whatever,

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and they sent a guy out and we went like

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trespassing behind the camp. It was on a river, so

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well I wanted it was behind there, you know, so

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we went, so don't tell anyone. So we went behind

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this camp and we went down the river, and you know,

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we didn't find Bigfoot, but we didn't also find homeless people.

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We didn't find growers, which at that time was illegal.

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We didn't find you know, evidence of people living back

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there or camping back there. We did find tons of

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deer poop, We did find all sorts of berry butchers

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and fruit trees, and we did find trails going through

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there with no cobwebs on them, and if you've ever

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been out in the woods in Oregon, there's cobwebs everywhere,

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which means something was using those trails. So it was

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it was a very interesting beginning to the whole experience.

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And then a friend and we went out a couple

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more times along the river and had some more things happening,

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huffing and tree brakes and things of that sort. And

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then I got plant of fascy itis so bad I

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literally it could almost not walk for five years and

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that was the end of that. So that was that

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was my first year of big footing. I guess in

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twenty twelve.

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That is absolutely credible. I have so many questions just

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based off of that. My goodness. So, and are you

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able to I am really curious to hear. I don't

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know if you're able to try to do the whistle

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that you had heard that night.

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Oh it's in my brain.

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It was it was like, oh man, okay, yeah.

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Just exactly like that. Okay, yeah, you know, not something

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that the bird would do necessarily had two tones to it,

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and it was repeated by both of them.

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Oh, my goodness.

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This is nuts.

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Okay, is it eastern Lane County? Is what was it

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in eastern Lane County?

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Oh? No, this was this was in August.

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Oh sorry, like the the location of of the camp.

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Was it in.

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The on the east? Yeah? No, no, no, this was

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actually in Lane County. Uh, outside of Eugene. It is

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not far out in the woods. But what it is

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is a natural crossing point to the river. And I

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do think they travel up and down the river because

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almost all of the property along the river is privately

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owned except for landings. So if you wanted to cruise

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down the river at night, no one would see you.

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And I think they use that as a natural way

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to cross the Willamette Valley.

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Yeah, that makes that makes total sense. That so what

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you did is is very reminiscent of of what we

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encountered out in the woods around Oak Ridge. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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and how.

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Behavior you know? I know that now? Yeah I didn't

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know it then.

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Oh my goodness. So when you say because people describe

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being zapped sometimes a few different ways from what I

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got from you there, and you know, feel free. You

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definitely put more info if needed, But it sounds like

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you were really just like taken over with a certain

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emotion and then it left quickly.

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Absolutely, it hit me out of the blue, and it

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left like turning off a you know, pushing a button

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and turning it off. It was absolute fluttering panic, absolute terror.

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I mean, I have been camping my whole life, I've

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been out in the woods, I've done all sorts of

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stupid things, and I've never been afraid like this. It

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was just out of the blue. I was literally lying

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on the floor crying, and that's just not something that

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I typically do, and it was weird. And then it

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just shut off instantly, and I sat up like nothing

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had happened, and opened the door back up and continued knocking,

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trading knocks with whatever was out in the woods. It

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was very bizarre. It's never happened again. And I've been

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in a lot of sketchy situations since then, which I'll

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tell you some about some of them. But that was

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the weirdest thing.

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Okay, So that that is so interesting. I mean some

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people they'll say like, oh, yeah, you know, they start

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having migraines and you know, bloody noses and just really

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really you know, crazy things. That is different parts of

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the country as well, which could be an interesting twist

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to it. So then after that, I mean, is this

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the thing that I feel when I when I talk

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to people that are really into this, that you can

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there's there's a certain experience that really like pushes them

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over the edge. Is this the one where just like

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it pushed you way way over, like up to one

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hundred and ten percent. Yes, bigfoot is a real thing,

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and I don't know all No, this wasn't it Okay?

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Actually okay, what it did was get me very interested

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in the subject. But like I said, I had planti

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fasciitis for five almost six years. I could barely walk.

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So eventually, you know, it's always been in the back

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of my mind since then. You know, what the heck

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happened out there? What impact is this going to have

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on my life? But I'm a single mom to a

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child with multiple special needs, and at that point, he

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was like nine years old. I did not have time, energy,

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or anything else to be really pursuing this as any

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sort of firm interest. I mean, it was until he

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was eighteen that I was actually able to get out

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in the woods by myself every weekend and have time

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to myself. So it in no way was a part

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of my life. I'd fooling around online and looking at

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things and you know, doing my own research, maybe some reading.

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But what really got me back into it is I

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get a dog. I inherited my neighbor's dog when she died,

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and I wanted to be outside a little more again,

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time to myself. It's twenty eighteen now, so six years later,

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you know, my kid's like sixteen seventeen, and I finally

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get to have some time to myself. So I'm walking

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my dog and he's this old man and we're up

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at I'll tell you, We're at Cottage Grove Lake and

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I had gone to I forgot even the name of

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the accent Fiddle maybe and Cottage Grove and then I

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discovered that Tobe, whose name I had learned, was doing

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a bigfoot meeting there. So my friend and I went

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for one time and we had beers and listened to

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them and that was kind of fun. And I was

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walking my dog like the next weekend, and I found

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barefoot prints along Cottage Grove Lake and it was the

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middle of winter, like November, and I'm like, what the heck?

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And I found them over and over and over and

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so I called up the bar and I said, or

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the tavern, and I'm like, hey, I really need to

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get a hold of Tob and tell him these about

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these prints and what do I do with this? You know,

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this is exciting woo. And so they got in touch

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and they sent out one of Tobe's friends. I don't

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know if I should say his name or not. He

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usually doesn't go by it. He goes by a nickname anyway,

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So he came out and we looked at these footprints

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for like three hours, and then I was really kind

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of intrigued again. I'm like, I can do this, you know,

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I can walk around and if it's going to be

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as easy as this finding prints and stuff, I'm going

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to keep doing it. And so eventually I found out

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that the guy who had come out to my summer

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camp experience in twenty twelve was Tobe, and I was

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telling him this story and he's like, hey, wait a minute,

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that was me. So it all kind of circled back

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around there. He's like that really sounds familiar. Hey wait

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a minute. So, uh so we reconnected and so he

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and his friend took me to the friend's house, which

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was the original al moon Lab, and I got to

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see some of his stuff out there, and he gave

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me some pointers and and then it was kind of

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back in the game. And then what really got me

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into it though, was I was walking my dog on

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the other side of the reservoir and it was the

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middle of it was winter, you know, it was maybe

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like three or four maybe three months later, you know,

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a cold, miserable, rainy Oregon day. But I had to

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get out of the house. So we're walking and there's

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some guys from the Army Corps of Engineers and they're

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like fixing some pathways by the bathroom. And there was

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no one on that side of the lake except for

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the people who live up, you know, in houses in

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the hills. And so I'm like, okay, well, I feel

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safe walking my dog out here because there's a couple

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of guys right over there. And so I'm walking in

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and we walk around the point and my dog, who

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is this apartment dog who sits on the couch and

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watches TV all day long, starts growling. And I've never

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heard him growl before in my entire life. And I'm like,

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what the heck. So I snapped a picture of him

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and then I snapped a picture down the next bay

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that we had walked into, and he flat out refused

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to walk any further, growling. The hackles on his neck

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were up, and I'm like, oh, there's a bear or

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something down there. It's the middle of the day. What

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the heck, because usually they only come out on the

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you know, the mudflats at night. We have some beautiful

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prints that we've cast and stuff. So I drag him

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and I take a couple of steps and I something

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yelled at me. It yelled. I was like, oh, geez,

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that's not what I said. All right, we're turning around immediately.

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So that's either a weird coyote or a human or

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you know, I keep finding barefoot prints, could be a bigfoot.

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So we book it back to the car and all

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the way around, and I look at my pictures afterwards,

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and sure enough, there's a face in the blackberries. So

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what I think happened was a juvenile bigfoot came down

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the gully to watch the guy's hammer and drill and

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stuff fixing the paths in the bathroom or whatever the

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heck they were doing, and we caught him out. We

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caught him off guard, and then years later, I was

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listening to Nathan Rio on one of his videos of

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his hilltop, one that he's since pulled down, and he

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had like eight or ten big foot on top of

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his mountain with him, and one of them yelled the

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exact same thing in almost the exact same tone. I'm like,

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that means something, it's like and that's what got me

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back into it. But I heard that video and I

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heard it yell the exact same thing that I heard.

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It just chills went up and down my spine. So

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that's what got me back into it. And that was

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probably the beginning of twenty nineteen. January February twenty nineteen,

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something like that.

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Okay, wow, so that is that's the situation where it

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pushes you way over into the one hundred and ten percent.

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No, I was still about ninety five percent.

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You're still ninety five percent, okay, even though you had

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the picture of the fish.

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Percent Okay, Yeah, I still had questions. I'm like, this

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cannot possibly be. I mean, really great big you know

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monsters roaming around the woods. Wouldn't someone have seen them.

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I've camped my whole life, I've you know, fished, I've

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you know riven country roads. I've slept all over country roads,

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you know, camping, and really wouldn't someone has seen them.

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I had no idea of any research or anything historical

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that had happened at that point. I completely had no

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clue of that reality. Okay, so I was still at

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ninety five percent.

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Oh man, So there must have been something really wild

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that pushed you over to pass one hundred percent.

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Yeah. But the next thing that also got me interested

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was in the exact same place. Okay, I'm gonna send

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you a picture of it because it's spectacular. We call

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it the statue structure. And I found that with one

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of my I'm preschool teacher, and I used to be

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a preschool director and our assistant director. And one of

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my teachers and I her also name is also Carry,

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Carry and Carry, were out in the woods and she

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saw this thing on the mudflats and it is the

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most beautiful, interesting build. I've never seen anyone else have

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anything like it, and call it the statue structure, excuse me.

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And that was in the exact same area, and that

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was another little thing taken over. So I went on

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to the Bigfoot Forums dot com BFF to find out

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more information about this because I was starting to get

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really interested in and that's actually where I met Mark

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from who was my big footing partner for five years.

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And so I met Mark, and then things really took

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off at that point, because you know, I'm no longer

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this five foot two little woman out in the woods

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all by herself. I've got this six foot do you

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know dude out with me so we can do all

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sorts of stupid things in the woods that neither of

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us would probably do by ourselves. So we started heading

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out almost every weekend. And one of the more interesting things,

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which still didn't put me over the top, was we

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found in one of our photos a what. I know

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you're wondering, why doesn't she believe? But we found a

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I think it's a juvenile bigfoot in a tree. We

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call it the girl in the tree. She has long hair,

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she's greenish, she's perfectly blended in with the tree. And

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I'll send you that photo also. And the worst thing

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is is we had ran around in the woods all

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day long and we were sitting there looking at our

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guns and comparing our guns. All the things to be

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doing with a bigfoot watching you. That's probably not one

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of the best things that Then we kept finding track

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lines and we started getting out into the woods every

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almost every other weekend. And now I'm going to start

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referring to my notes, because twenty twenty was a good year.

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We've found different track lines, the reservoirs. We started making

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a circuit out of all the lakes and reservoirs and

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rivers in the area. And our first sighting was about

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a year and a half after I started doing this

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was July fifth of twenty twenty. That got me to

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one hundred percent.

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All right, So.

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Mark and I we were out and I'm going to

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say when I say like Cottage Grove or Dorena or

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Blue River or offter Hide or Hills Creek or whatever,

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that means adjacent in the general area. I'm not always

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specifically referring to that specific location, but like adjacent twenty

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miles in this direction, twenty miles that way, et cetera,

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et cetera. Because a lot of these things are along rivers.

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Is something we have found that they like waterways. And

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I have a map of Lane County where we have

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logged out all of the historical things in Lane County,

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and then we put our things on there too, and

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there's a definite correlation between bodies of water and bigfoot activity,

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so a lot of our things happen in that way.

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So we were out and this wasn't by water, but

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it was Cottage Grove adjacent, so about twenty twenty five

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miles south of Cottage Grove in an area that Tobe

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had once upon a time let drop that was a

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good area for bigfoot. So we headed out there. It

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was one of the things on our rounds, and it's

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like ten o'clock at night and nothing was happening. We'd

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set up there. Mark had a flear thermal camera and

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we found a mouse that kept trying to get in

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the car engine because it was warm. That was the

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only thing happening. We sat up there for like three hours.

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It was boring beyond belief, and so we're like, oh,

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that's it, let's call it. We're going in. So we

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went down the mountain and there's a place called the

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intersection that we call it because there's two roads that

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come together, obviously an intersection, and the trees were all

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small enough that you could see in any direction, so

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we knew if we stopped there, nothing was going to

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be sneaking up on us, and so we stopped there

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and I think Mark's out on one side of the

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truck and I'm looking around with the flare on the

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other side of the truck, and I get a hit

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and it's big and it's bright white, and I'm like,

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oh ho, I said many things, Hey, Mark, how do

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you turn on the record button? Because it was brand new,

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we just got it, And so he runs around the

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car and we start recording and I saw it lean

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out this well, okay, first it leaned out and I

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saw shoulders, head and shoulders, and I'm like, that is

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not a bear. Bears are very triangular if they're standing

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on their hind legs. But I definitely saw beefy shoulders,

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head and shoulders, and it leaned out from the tree,

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just like they say they do. I'm like, oh my god.

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So Mark starts recording. We ended up getting two and

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a half minutes of a recording, and you can see

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the second one walk up behind the first one and

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it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, which is really cool.

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And the thing was is we had one fleer between

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the two of us, so we're sharing it, passing it

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back and forth. And when you don't have the flair,

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it is like pitch black. And you can hear or

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something really big crunching out in the salon as it's

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stepping around, and it was really cool. I wasn't ever scared,

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which is weird to say. I mean, it was probably,

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you know, two three hundred feet away from us, maybe

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two hundred feet away from us, it was not far.

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And there's two of them out there and they're crunching

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around and they're looking at us, and then mart pointed

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at them on the camera, and I think they figured

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out that we could see them all of a sudden,

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so after like another twenty seconds, they both ducked down

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into the salon and disappeared. And then we're like, now

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what do we do because we can't see these things,

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and I know there's rumors of them, you know, army

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crawling through the forest, and I do not want them

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sneaking up on us somewhere else. So we were I

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mean we were excited, and I mean high as a kite,

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you know, without being high, but we were so excited.

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And then we like zoomed down the mountain. It's like, yep,

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it's time to go. So that's what put us over

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one hundred percent, and it was so exciting and we're

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just like it's they're you know, absolutely real, and I

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can't believe we just just saw something that looks like

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a NFL linebacker out in the Cottage Grove woods. It's like,

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this is amazing, this is so cool. And so the

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next day we came back after work to do our

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due diligence as researchers, parked ourselves in the exact same

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spot and did comparison photos and comparison videos. And because

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we were so familiar with that spot, we knew exactly

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what the tree looked like that they were standing next

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to you, because it had like this little, you know,

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branch that hung out. And so Mark went out in

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the woods and you know, we took pictures, comparison pictures,

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and Mark doesn't even come close to where these things were.

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Mark is like six foot one, you know, two hundred

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and fifty pounds, and he didn't even come close to

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what these things looked like. But we did our due

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de legence and we did our comparisons, and we figured

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that they were standing in this little depression actually, and

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they were probably eight and nine feet tall, and they

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were just enormous and amazing, and because it was on

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the fleer, they looked like blobs. Mark has a pulsar now,

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which is a four thousand dollars piece of equipment, and

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if we had had that, we would have had footage

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that would rival like the what's the name of the

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guy in Florida who got.

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The uh stay and his dad Brown.

460
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.480
Yeah, I love that footage. It's amazing. We've had that

461
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.200
quality of footage, if not better if we'd had the

462
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:43.559
pulsar instead of the fleer. But wow, yeah, so that

463
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:44.960
was our that was our first sight.

464
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:46.640
That's awesome? Is that?

465
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.880
Then the video on your channel where it's like seven

466
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:54.519
five twenty our flear sighting that one yep, okay, yep, cool.

467
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.519
You know. And twenty twenty it was a hard year.

468
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.680
It was a hard year for me personally because two

469
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.799
weeks after that, I was diagnosed with breast cancer and

470
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:14.319
in mid July, and I had a double mastectomy on

471
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.759
August twenty eighth, and I was back in the woods

472
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.880
the next weekend, which was really stupid, but I needed

473
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:29.759
to get out. So our second sighting was October seventeenth,

474
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.720
so we're talking, I've been out of you know, I'm

475
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.319
in recovery six weeks after surgery, and I am in

476
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.359
bandages and I still have drainage tubes and all sorts

477
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.359
of crap. And I'm like, let's go, let's go out

478
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:45.720
in the woods. And so we're rolling around the hills

479
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:53.279
outside of Oak Ridge at one of the reservoirs. It

480
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.160
wasn't Hills Creek. It's the one next to Dexter. Is

481
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.559
that Hills Creek? Yeah, it might be. Always get that

482
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.400
one mixed up. And I don't know why it wasn't

483
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:08.519
Fall Creek. So it was the lower one. Yes, thank you.

484
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.319
You would think I would remember this, but Fall Creek

485
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.440
is where I fell and broke my wrist a year later.

486
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.680
But so we're rolling around the dirt side of the

487
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.839
of the reservoir and we look across and there's a

488
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.279
culvert and there's someone standing in it. And it's like, oh, well,

489
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.160
that's kind of weird. And it's a long ways away,

490
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.599
and I'm like, hey, Mark, look at you. The dude

491
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.640
standing in the culverts staring at us. And so he

492
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:36.599
looks over and he's like, yeah, that's really weird. And

493
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.079
I didn't think to grab my camera because it wasn't that.

494
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:45.160
Weird, But he was like all dressed in brown one color,

495
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:50.240
and then instead of like turning around and going back

496
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:55.079
into the culvert or stepping out, he literally stepped backwards

497
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:56.000
into the shadows.

498
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.640
And it's like, what the what the heck was that?

499
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.839
That's kind of weird. Let's go check it out. So

500
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.559
we went all we had to go an hour. It

501
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.400
took us an hour to get down the dirt road,

502
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.319
find a bridge, and go back up the highway, and

503
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.279
then we had to climb down and it's those big

504
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:18.640
boulders that like hold up the dirt and here I am, I'm,

505
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.480
you know, bandaged up still, so we have very carefully

506
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.400
to crawl down these boulders, and then we realize it's

507
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.759
just a rock field. So we're walking through this rock field,

508
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.759
and then we realize it's a creek, so we have

509
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.319
to step across the creek. And then we realize the

510
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.160
creek is coming from inside the culvert. So we get

511
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.680
up to the culvert and there's four inches of water

512
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.440
coming out of it. There's a stream in the culvert,

513
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.000
So who the heck is standing in a culvert in

514
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.039
four inches of water staring at people across the river.

515
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.200
It's like, Okay, this is just getting more and more weird.

516
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.799
So Mark's like, let's go see what's on the other side. So,

517
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.359
being an idiot, of course I did. So we go

518
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.279
under this one hundred foot culvert that's slimy with mud,

519
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.359
very very carefully so I don't fall and break anything,

520
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.359
get to the other side and it is literally just

521
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.160
a creek going very steep creek going up into the hills.

522
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:17.759
There's no hiking paths, there's no reason for that person

523
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.359
to be in the culvert. And we tried getting up

524
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:23.240
to the truck from that side and we couldn't do it. It

525
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.440
was so steep. We had to go back through the culvert,

526
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.599
climb back up the rocks and cross the road and

527
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.039
get back in the jeep. And it's like, you know what,

528
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.599
I think we might have just had a daylight sighting,

529
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.799
because that's really weird behavior for a person, and there's

530
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.079
no reason for someone to be standing in four inches

531
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.319
of water with no trails, paths or anything else, and

532
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.559
where the heck did he go? So we think that

533
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:54.640
was our second siding, and that would be October seventeenth. Wow,

534
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.039
And that was really really cool. Also, but we you know,

535
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.400
we questioned it and it's like, yeah, let us know,

536
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.440
and then just the weirdness of it pushed.

537
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.599
Us to yes, that's awesome.

538
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.319
Now we called out our second sighting, so it's just

539
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.839
like that's cool. But it was so weird, just odd.

540
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.519
Was the area you were on on the north side,

541
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:24.759
which is the dirt side? Is it close to Ivan

542
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:29.880
Oaks Campground at all? I have no idea, okay, and

543
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.440
I'm just I just interviewed someone who had like.

544
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.400
A year's worth.

545
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:42.640
Of experiences at Ivan Oaks. Uh, and it'll be out

546
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.000
in like two days from this actual day, but she had.

547
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:51.079
Some Yeah, I have no idea what campgrounds are around there.

548
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:58.359
I have no idea, gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. Every

549
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.319
time we go to Oakreage, you know, we drive right

550
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.759
past it and so we looked down the little creek,

551
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.480
you know, and there's nothing over there. But that's just

552
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.480
what we didn't on our way to Oakridge's like, yeah,

553
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:09.519
we saw a bigfoot here.

554
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.799
Absolutely, Yeah, I would go there.

555
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.759
I'd always be thinking that when I drove by. Also,

556
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.039
congratulations on beating cancer as well.

557
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.000
That is a huge.

558
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.000
Yes, thank you.

559
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:23.880
Yeah.

560
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.279
Actually, my doctor is so certain they got it all

561
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.960
that you have to take medication for ten years some chemotherapy.

562
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.200
She's been blocking medication for ten years and it'll be

563
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.599
five years in October, and I think she's going to

564
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.839
let me come off of it five years instead of ten.

565
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:40.960
So that's awesome.

566
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:43.319
That's awesome.

567
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.839
I don't talk about this ever, but I am also

568
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.640
a survivor but pediatric.

569
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.079
Oh yay, non hotcasts.

570
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.480
Yeah, I was one of the first kids in the

571
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.960
eighties to survive. They had no idea what they were doing.

572
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.119
It was just like throwing darts at a wall pretty much.

573
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.440
But yeah, they figured it out, so that was pretty cool.

574
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.960
Wow, you know, I'm glad for you. So for a

575
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.240
very long time Mark and I were very successful. We

576
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.960
would go out and like one weekend out of the month,

577
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.279
out of four weekends, we would find things. We got

578
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.480
really good at being able to identify when I could

579
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.920
go out in the woods, what I'm looking for and

580
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.559
I'm you know, driving through the hills and doing things,

581
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.720
is I am looking for patterns. And it's a lot

582
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:39.440
of pattern recognition things which non neurotypical people sometimes can

583
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.279
be better at because you're not looking for what you

584
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.759
expect to find. So what I look for in the

585
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.119
woods is like parallel things that are too neat and tidy,

586
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.759
And that's how we find structures. That's how we find teepees,

587
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.319
That's how we find lean to's, that's how we have

588
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:08.079
found all sorts of things. But we're also finding prints

589
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:15.039
all over Lane County. I am obsessed with finding and

590
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.760
hoping to find juvenile prince because I'm a pre school teacher.

591
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.360
I am curious as to what their children look like.

592
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.199
You know, what do they do, how do they live,

593
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.440
how do they raise them, how do they teach them?

594
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.000
I am fascinated by those questions. And what we have

595
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:36.039
discovered is that we have found the same prince up

596
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:40.440
at Blue River adjacent areas seven times over the last

597
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.159
five years. And the princes are gradually getting bigger. They're

598
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.559
six inches, they were six inches, nine inches and twelve inches,

599
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.000
and now they're like an inch bigger. But after the

600
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.960
fire is a year a year two years ago, they

601
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:56.360
disappeared and I don't know where they went or what

602
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:02.000
happened to them, but that's an exciting thing. So we

603
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.360
find prints, and we've found them at all sorts of places.

604
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.920
The other thing we find is wood knocks. I actually

605
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.679
have two wood knocks on captured on video. I've probably

606
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:18.519
heard fifty wood knocks over over these years. We have

607
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.280
one lake that I won't tell you the name of

608
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.920
up in the High Cascades. I call it Windy Lake

609
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.119
because the wind only blows from one direction and when

610
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.400
I'm fly fishing, it's invariably making my flies fly back

611
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.559
to me and I lose all my flies in the

612
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.840
lake and it makes me angry. But every time we

613
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.400
go there, we've gotten knocks. And we've been there four times.

614
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.360
And another place that we went that it was affected

615
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.480
by fires. We walked it's a mile walk in and

616
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.639
we walk in and we had a huge knock, I

617
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:58.159
mean probably three hundred feet away up the mountain, just huge,

618
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.960
and then nothing. And there's one campground. There's one campsite

619
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.559
at this lake in the middle of nowhere. And so

620
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.599
we went fishing and Mark was doing audio and it

621
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.000
must have gotten disgusted with us or something, because it

622
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.159
pushed over a tree on the way out and Mark

623
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.920
caught it on audio. And it's often the distance. So

624
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.559
that's the second time that happened, because it happened at

625
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.400
the camp and then it happened at that little lake.

626
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.400
So we get woodennocks, we get structures, we get prints,

627
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.639
we've gotten samurai chatter. Actually once you know what samurai chatter.

628
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.639
Yeah, okay.

629
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.039
So we were out at a place probably thirty miles

630
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.800
south of Cottage Grove. We call it Mushroom Mountain. A

631
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.880
friend of mine turned us onto it because it is

632
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:56.599
a Chantorell haven, and Mark and I are also mushroom hunters.

633
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.199
So we were out they noticed where it was one time,

634
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.559
and then we came back on our own and we've

635
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.119
been back there probably six or seven times. It's one

636
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.480
of the things that's our was on our regular route,

637
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.360
and so we were out there and we're up on

638
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.119
this mountain and it is like dead. It is a

639
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:24.360
weird mountain. There's nothing growing on it except trees and Chantrell's.

640
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.760
There's hardly any undergrowth. It feels very dead. Everything is

641
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.960
just rotting. It's mushrooms. And we're up there and we're

642
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.280
doing our thing, filling our baskets and whatnot, and we

643
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:44.760
start hearing what sounded like three Chinese girls just chattering away.

644
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:48.360
And I look at Mark and I'm like, did you

645
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.760
hear any cars come up the road because it's not

646
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.199
a clear cut and you can hear cars come up,

647
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.440
and we were probably, you know, I don't know, not

648
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.719
that far from the road where we were particularly, and

649
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.480
I'm like, I didn't hear any cars, Like I didn't

650
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:05.239
hear any cars. And so they continued just to chatter, chatter, chatter, chatter, chattering,

651
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.079
and then a raven flew over squawked really loudly and

652
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.400
the voices turned off. I'm like, let's go back to

653
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.119
the car and see if the audio that we stuck

654
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.400
on the tire got it, and it didn't, which was

655
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:24.639
super disappointing. But there were no other cars in the

656
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.880
little pull out thing for Mushroom Mountain. There's no other cars.

657
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:33.000
There's not another soul there, and it's like we just

658
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.719
heard samurai chattering. It was three teenaged girls, you know,

659
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:41.000
it was a couple of girls just talking away. It's like,

660
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.280
that was really cool, but it was also a little

661
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:46.920
creepy because he thought it was from one direction and

662
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:48.960
I thought it was from the opposite direction, because I

663
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:54.239
don't know how that works. But that was something that

664
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:55.320
happened up there.

665
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.840
That is awesome For people that don't know what that is.

666
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.599
You can listen to the Sierra sounds from rock Morehead,

667
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.079
and that's what we're referring to, is that a thing

668
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.719
that is reported a lot in that county to have

669
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.400
other people reported hearing things similar to that.

670
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:18.000
The only person that I've ever heard talk about vocals

671
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.440
in Lane County was Tobe and his friend. His friend

672
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.320
went out in the hills near probably a mile from

673
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.880
where we had art from what I understand from where

674
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.679
we had our sighting, and we've had other things happen

675
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.800
up there too, Like I'll send you a picture of

676
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.639
the creek side art. It was these series of sticks

677
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.039
put over a very deep creek, and there's a tree

678
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.559
wrap of these branches that are wrapped around a tree,

679
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.079
and we've had a structure there and all sorts of things.

680
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.639
But he was further down the road and he has

681
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.079
a story of the old man, and the old man

682
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.480
has a super deep voice, and the old man yelled

683
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.519
at him when he he was sitting in his truck

684
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.559
and the old man yelled at him. And that's the

685
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.199
only other person that I've heard really speak about vocals

686
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.480
in Lane County that I know of. We have only

687
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.480
heard one whoop, and it was on a reservoir and

688
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.239
it could have been people. I'm not sure, so we

689
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.079
don't count that one.

690
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.559
Have you ever experienced anything anything weird around Hills Creek?

691
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.519
Yeah, we have.

692
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:40.280
Yeah, we have a beautiful wet footprint on a rock

693
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.199
right next to the river and we got out and

694
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.599
it's a beautiful little spots a little it's a dispersed

695
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:48.199
camping spot.

696
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.599
We got out and it's just beautiful. The water is

697
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.760
such an amazing color, So you know, it's one of

698
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:54.400
our little stops. It's like, hey, should we stop and

699
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.480
eat lunch? And there is this huge footprint on a

700
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.920
rock right coming out of the river and it's wet

701
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.360
and you can see like five toes on it, and

702
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.760
I'll send you that picture too because it's really cool.

703
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.800
But there was only one of them. Nothing else was wet.

704
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.079
We did find like little tiny snails and things that

705
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.639
had been eaten or in the little guts were smeared

706
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.440
on a rock. But yeah, and then the meadow where

707
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.440
we found the girl was above that. The girl in

708
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.840
the tree that was above Hills Creek up in the mountains.

709
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:30.920
Gotcha.

710
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.840
Yeah, And we also have had other things happen in

711
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.559
that same spot at the meadows. We've had rocks thrown

712
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.360
at us, little tiny pebbles. It's like, was that a

713
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.599
bug or a pebble? It's like, hmm, maybe we should

714
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.760
not find out. I don't know. So we've had other

715
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:51.920
things happen there too.

716
00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:01.760
The south of fifty eighth though, right, I gotta.

717
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.280
Look at a map in my head. Yeah, I'm not sure,

718
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.960
Honest to God, I sat down one day and I

719
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.599
wrote out, and we have like eighty three things that

720
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:19.880
have happened, you know, prince chatter, you know, a single

721
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.280
prince finger smears. We have a place that we call

722
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.239
Harry Creek, which is off one of the reservoirs. It

723
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.480
goes big river that goes up into the hills. And

724
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.960
we were fooling around there one day and there was

725
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.760
berries on a rock in the middle of the creek,

726
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.840
and there was very dirty fingerprints smeared all over the rocks.

727
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.679
And then we found a hair up higher, a little kinky,

728
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.199
curly hair could beg human. We don't know. We never

729
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.639
did anything with it. Mark's probably still has it. So

730
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:53.760
we call that Harry Creek. But we've, you know, had

731
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.760
other things happen up that way too. Honestly, every rest

732
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.440
or every lake. We go up by Waldo, way up

733
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.159
on top of the cascades and there's hundreds of little,

734
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.559
tiny lakes up there, and we have found, you know,

735
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.239
some weird things happening up at there. One of our

736
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.440
biggest nights of big footing. We didn't see anything, which

737
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.639
is really frustrating because they didn't ever make themselves known.

738
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.039
But we were up there, and we're up at this

739
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.199
lake and we're just checking it out, you know, we're

740
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.440
scouting things. We go out, and we used to go

741
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.280
out and we would scout things and go to lakes

742
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.880
and just roll around in the woods looking for weird

743
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.719
things or places that we've heard about or rumors or

744
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.159
stories or whatever, and we go check it out. And

745
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.440
so we're up there at this lake and it has like,

746
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.960
I don't know, ten dispersed campsites around it, and these

747
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.480
girls come running in from the trail that goes up

748
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.280
to some upper lakes and they look a little panicked,

749
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.480
and we're like, hey, what's going on you guys? Okay?

750
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.360
And they look at each other and they look at us,

751
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.639
and I can just see them thinking should we tell

752
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.519
these people? And so they're like, well, there's rocks above

753
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.440
the campsite. You know, there's a whole screen field, and

754
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.559
something threw rocks down at all night long and then

755
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.559
stomped through our campground and scared the crud out of us.

756
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.840
And we're not going up there ever again. So Mark

757
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.559
and I look at each other like, oh heck, yeah,

758
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.440
we're going up there next weekend. So we went up

759
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.320
there the next weekend and we call it Woodknock Lake.

760
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.760
Mark has the video of it on his channel, which

761
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:42.679
is Sasquatch Habitat Investigation Team shiit because he does the

762
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:43.440
jokes like that.

763
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:44.679
Yeah.

764
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.440
So we were up there and nothing happened that night.

765
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.440
It was a beautiful night. You know, we were a

766
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.599
little on the edge. But what Mark decided to do

767
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.079
was bring a recording of a baby crying. So we

768
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.559
were at one point of the lake and imagine a triangle.

769
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.000
So he puts the crying baby audio over by the

770
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:09.519
rock screen and it goes off fifteen minutes every two hours.

771
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.840
So we went off a couple times in the night.

772
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.639
I didn't sleep much, but you know, I was waiting

773
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.880
to see if anything happens. Nothing happened, so we woke up.

774
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.440
We're having breakfast and then something happened, something was really

775
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.239
really angry on the third point of the triangle, and

776
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.199
we got eight wood knocks. I've got one of them

777
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:32.079
on video, and you can hear it, crack. Can you go, crack,

778
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.320
crack crack around the lake. Whatever was down there was

779
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:41.119
not happy with us. But we could never the fleer

780
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:46.159
was not strong enough to to, you know, pick out that,

781
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.039
and it was daylight and things were warm already, so

782
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.239
we couldn't see anything down there, but boy, we could

783
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.000
sure hear it, and it was not happy with us.

784
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:55.920
So we high tailed it out of there, and it's

785
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.159
a good four mile hike back to the lower Lake,

786
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.559
and we were escorted out. There were knocks behind us

787
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.639
all the way out, like two or three, just to

788
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.519
let us know. It was about two thirds of the

789
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.039
way that we finally didn't have any more knocks following us.

790
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.239
But that was that was amazing. And we'd always hoped

791
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.719
to go back, and then for one reason or another,

792
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.920
we couldn't, And then we went. Last year was our

793
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.079
last camping trip, and we were going to try to

794
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.320
get up to the upper Lake. It was like June tenth,

795
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.920
and we get up there and there's still snow on

796
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.159
the trail. We can't even get up to the upper lake,

797
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.000
which was really disappointing. And then we camp that night.

798
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.360
It was a beautiful day and in the middle of

799
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.760
the night a snowstorm blew in in the middle of June,

800
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:45.920
so we had to leave.

801
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.880
Really a snowstorm in the middle of June.

802
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:51.920
Yes.

803
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.559
And the other exciting thing on that is that we

804
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.679
found a structure behind the campground and I'll send you

805
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.239
a pitch of that too, And it was like, you

806
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.079
know how a tree tips over and then the roots

807
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.280
are sticking up. Well, I was looking for firewood because

808
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.679
it was cold. I was looking for firewood and I

809
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.519
saw a whole bunch of logs. I'm like, oh, cool,

810
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:14.599
someone stacked some logs up here. And I went over

811
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.599
and looked at it, and it's like, oh, that is

812
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.760
not a firewood stack. It was logs that were stacked

813
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.920
against the ground and then up against the roots, and

814
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.400
over the top of them was big chunks of bark.

815
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.079
But I'm like, that doesn't look right, that doesn't look

816
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.480
like kids playing because it's full of mud. First of all,

817
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.880
because the snow had been melting and dripping into this

818
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.800
hole and it was just gross in there, so I'm like,

819
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:44.559
that's a possibility, and it was a perfect spot to

820
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.679
sit there and stare at the camp totally hidden. The

821
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.119
only reason I saw it is because I started climbing

822
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.480
up the hill looking for firewood and I saw the

823
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.320
parallel lines, which of course stick out to me like

824
00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:00.000
a sore thumb in the woods. So that was really cool,

825
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.840
and that was that was the last time I went

826
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:03.159
camping except for this weekend.

827
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:12.199
So that's awesome. That's you know, you bring up the

828
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.639
whole parallel lines and the patterns. That's something that really

829
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.039
stuck out to me too in the woods outside of Oakridge,

830
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:26.239
because it's just so blatantly obvious, Like you've got thing,

831
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.760
You've got a tree next to a tree where it's

832
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.599
it's twist, it's broken eight to ten feet up and

833
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.679
then the way that the tree that is, you know,

834
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.880
coming down is at an angle. But like just the

835
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.679
way it looks, it looks like it should be a

836
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.280
piece of art, and you're like, this is so ridiculous,

837
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.400
Like there's no way this was snowload.

838
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.239
It's crazy exactly. We've seen little twists like that. Also

839
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.440
south of Cottage Grove there's a trail that we went

840
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.400
down and it was just the ends of the branches.

841
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.239
The last four inches of the branches of these trees

842
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:10.639
along the trail were twisted backwards. And it wasn't everyone.

843
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.719
So there's little twists like that, and then we have

844
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.079
seen big twists where the whole thing is twisted all

845
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:21.000
the way around. And actually at the camp, at my

846
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.840
very first camp in twenty twelve, there was a huge

847
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.000
tree twisted and you know, most people would look at

848
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.239
that and think, oh, it's flotsome from the river, but

849
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:33.360
this thing was twisted all the way around and set

850
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:37.639
up like a triangle. And it really caught my eye

851
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.760
because once you see it, you're like, that's not natural.

852
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.079
I don't know how that would happen. And that's what

853
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:47.760
I look for in the woods. I don't know how

854
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:49.960
that would happen. I don't know how that would fall

855
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.599
like that. I don't know how that would, you know,

856
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:59.079
look the way it does. So those are the things

857
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.599
that I look for. We find more often than not.

858
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:08.440
So it's such a it's such an interesting area. I've

859
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.000
had so many conversations about this area and.

860
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:18.440
It's I mean, are are you know, yeah, famous for

861
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.079
a good reason.

862
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.039
No, they absolutely they are.

863
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.760
You already kind of mentioned like you're you're not super

864
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.119
into the weird stuff, although you have had like you've

865
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:37.639
seen some orbs at times, but yeah, there. I can't

866
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.480
think of another area where I have random people email

867
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.960
me and be like, it's not just bigfoot. I saw gnomes,

868
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:48.239
I saw fairies, I saw a dog man. Like think

869
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:49.199
of anything, Okay.

870
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:53.760
I have a friend who, yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I

871
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:57.039
have a friend who swears that they saw two dog

872
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.079
men up at Silver Falls. And I think in the

873
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.079
next couple two or three weeks, I'm gonna go hiking

874
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.480
up at Silver Falls. So oh, let's know if I

875
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:11.039
say anything our orbs we found that we saw. I

876
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.239
actually had my friend Carrie, who found the statue structure

877
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.599
with me years ago, with us that time, and he

878
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:19.119
saw them too, And I'm super glad we had a

879
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:25.880
third person there to verify. But these orbs were very odd.

880
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:31.119
They looked from basketball size to hula hoop size, and

881
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.519
they worried pale yellow and pink and blue and white,

882
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:41.079
and they moved in different directions. They didn't flow all

883
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.400
in one direction like they were following a breeze or

884
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.320
anything like that they would go opposite directions and up

885
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.840
and down and in and out of the trees, and

886
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.679
eventually Carrie was so creeped out she ran back to

887
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:56.639
the truck. And then I was desperately trying to get

888
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.119
pictures of anything. And it wouldn't show up on the fleer,

889
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.639
it wouldn't show up on Marx Poulsar, it wouldn't show

890
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.119
up on my phone. I could not get a picture

891
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.760
of these darn things. I finally found one in one

892
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.679
of my photos and it looks like a smoke ring.

893
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:17.679
But so we saw these orbs, and then at Blue

894
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.119
Rivers where we find all sorts of weird stuff. So

895
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.320
you go way out and there's a place called Wolf Rock,

896
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.119
so there's some weird stuff that happens around there. It's

897
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.559
the largest monolith in the state of Oregon. But on

898
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.079
the way there there's another place where we saw lights

899
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:38.280
in the woods and there's no houses out there. There

900
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.920
is nothing behind there that would have justified this light

901
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.039
that we found, and we kept looking at it. We

902
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.920
took pictures of it. We did get pictures of that,

903
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:52.039
and then on the lake bed. This was probably in

904
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.679
twenty eighteen or nineteen when we were first finding the

905
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.519
track lines. We found the track line, and the next

906
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.480
day I went out to cast the Prince by myself,

907
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.760
and they were across from the path down to it,

908
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.400
and they were all the way across the mud flat.

909
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:11.360
So I had to walk out on this and I'm

910
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.519
carrying just a ton of stuff. I'm carrying a bucket,

911
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.920
I'm carrying water, I'm carrying plaster and my chair and

912
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.039
you know, snack and lunch and whatever, because I have

913
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.679
to sit out there until they dry. So I cast

914
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.480
the things and I was super creeped out walking down

915
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:31.519
this path, down this little road to the water. I'm like,

916
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.000
I don't know why I'm so creeped out. There's nothing here,

917
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.039
And so I go out. I'm all by myself. I'm

918
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.960
casting potential bigfoot prints, and I'm perfectly fine. Over on

919
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.239
the far side by the forest, I'm perfectly fine. Finally

920
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.159
I decide I'm gonna take some of my stuff back

921
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.039
to the car. So an hour later, I take some

922
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.599
of my stuff back to the car because plaster is

923
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.880
really heavy once you get it all, and I didn't

924
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.960
want to crowd them and squish them at all, or

925
00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:00.880
you know, muss up my brand new prints my casts.

926
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:02.679
So I take some of my stuff back and I

927
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.159
am creeped out again. I have my hand on my weapon.

928
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.760
That's how creeped out I was. I mean, you know,

929
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.280
I'm not stupid. When I go out by myself in

930
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.119
the woods, I'm not usually armed, Okay, So I had

931
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.039
my hand on my weapon and there was nothing there.

932
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.039
So I come back from the car again, super creeped out.

933
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.039
The hair on my arm is standing on end. I

934
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.360
walk out, I pick up my prints, and I hurry

935
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:25.519
back to the truck, and again for the fourth time,

936
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.000
I'm totally creeped out at the same spot. So while

937
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.079
I was out there picking up the prince, I took

938
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:36.760
a picture of the mountain and it is absolutely not

939
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.039
something I saw, but there is something blue and yellow

940
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.519
and white in the trees at the base of the mountain.

941
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.679
And when I was showing it's a pretty picture because

942
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.760
the mountain, the sun is like you know, setting, and

943
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.119
it's really pretty and it's a really pretty picture. And

944
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.679
then my friend's like, what is that shine there? And

945
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.400
I'm like, wat shiny thing, And then we zoomed in

946
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.599
on it. It's like, what the heck, that's right where

947
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.199
I felt creeped out. There's something in there that was

948
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.400
making me feel creeped out that I could not see.

949
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.239
So I went back another weekend, same time, same day

950
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.320
or not same day, same time, same place, and took

951
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.960
pictures of vehicles driving past. And it was bigger than

952
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.159
a pick up with its lights on. And it was

953
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.719
not near the road. It was below the road, so

954
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:29.440
I know exactly where it was. So I think that

955
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.559
was a I mean, it's not a UFO because it

956
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.639
wasn't flying, But there's weird stuff that happens out there,

957
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:41.639
orbs and lights and this potential UFO thing and Bigfoot,

958
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:45.960
and it's just a creepy, creepy area. And that's where

959
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.880
we have found the same prints seven times. All sorts

960
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:51.280
of stuff happens out in that direction.

961
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:52.480
That's amazing.

962
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.639
So while I don't believe in WU necessarily, I do

963
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.519
believe there's things out there that we do not understand.

964
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.400
Absolutely that we don't have a good explanation for everything

965
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:12.079
I have seen of Sasquatch has been you know, physical things, footprints,

966
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:18.159
you know, uh, things that they have made, things that

967
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.920
they potentially have eaten. You know nothing, you know, voices,

968
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.760
nothing that would lead me to think of anything supernatural.

969
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.679
But on the other hand, I've now seen orbs in UFOs,

970
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.599
So yeah, I don't know what to think about that anymore.

971
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.239
My mind is open to it, but that has not

972
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.639
been my experience with Sasquatch at this point.

973
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:45.559
It's one of those things where in that area, like

974
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.519
if you if you go out there and like you're

975
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.880
just like have an open I don't know, I experienced

976
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.440
some weird stuff. Like I don't know if you've got

977
00:56:55.599 --> 00:57:01.400
the story of what happened by Hills Creek Reservoir on

978
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:02.559
my last day out there.

979
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:04.440
I've told this a few times.

980
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:09.960
But okay, yeah, so listeners, you're going to have to

981
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.159
hear it again. So so I got like this weird

982
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.519
I had these I got these insect bites. I think

983
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.599
that like got really bad. And so I had to

984
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:26.320
go into where was it. It was like just outside

985
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.599
of Eugene on my last day to get antibiotics and stuff.

986
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.159
And then I was all like, oh man, I had

987
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.400
to cancel interviews, blah blah blah, and so I was like,

988
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.320
you know whatever, I'm going to get a burger and

989
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.920
just drive around Hills Creek, you know, and just kind

990
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.199
of what else and then so I'm this is this

991
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.639
is weird. So I'm just driving along and I've been like,

992
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.920
you know, what, if if you want to see them,

993
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:55.840
just say I'm ready to see you, Like that's what. Yeah,

994
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.559
And I drove by a tree and like there was

995
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.159
the outline of the silhouette of a big foot that

996
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.480
was like seven to eight feet tall in the vine

997
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:05.440
covering a pine tree, and it disappeared and I was like,

998
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:06.960
oh my goodness, what in the world.

999
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.599
Oh it was. It was absolutely bonkers. And I have

1000
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:11.920
no idea what to think about it.

1001
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:14.400
I don't know if it was the fever or what

1002
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:17.039
you know, or or maybe it really happened.

1003
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.960
But I do have an open mind.

1004
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.920
So things happen, and some things I just don't have

1005
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:31.239
an explanation for. Yeah, absolutely, you know, I don't know,

1006
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.320
but I'm open to it. But so far, I haven't

1007
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:39.519
seen anything that would lead me to justify saying I

1008
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.440
believe in WU. So, but who knows, who knows?

1009
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:45.400
Who knows?

1010
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:46.039
Who?

1011
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:51.840
You had? Said? Silver Falls? Is that the state park

1012
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:52.719
you're referring to?

1013
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.960
Yes, okay, cool, Cool, that's what I thought, because I've

1014
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:00.639
gotten like two different bigfoot reports from that part over

1015
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.679
the last year as well, which is not surprising. And

1016
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.039
also yeah, really it really is. It was almost a

1017
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.920
national park, I think too. They tried to beautiful turn

1018
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.199
it into a national park. This is like one hundred

1019
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:17.039
years ago or something.

1020
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.079
But also I don't doubt it. I talked to a guy.

1021
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.800
He was telling me that there's been a lot of

1022
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.559
people in Detroit, the town of Detroit, that have actually

1023
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.000
not just had big Foot sightings, but they've also had

1024
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.360
dog man sightings too. So that's kind of interesting since

1025
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:39.679
that's on twenty two and then you have to it's

1026
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.679
kind of you know, it's more west, but silver Falls

1027
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:43.119
is okay.

1028
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.679
So what I did this last weekend is I have

1029
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:50.079
always wanted to see Cliff Brackman's Bigfoot Museum.

1030
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:52.199
Oh sure, so did.

1031
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.920
I planned it so I did not have work on Friday,

1032
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.239
so I did all my stuff on Friday. Saturday, I

1033
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.880
drove up to Boring, Oregon. I drove to s wallet

1034
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:02.360
In and then across the Boring went to the museum,

1035
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.079
and then I went to Stakada and I camped on

1036
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.400
a road called Indian Henry Road, which is supposedly one

1037
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.719
of the the is one of the roads in the

1038
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.719
Bigfoot Highway by Joe Beelert, and I forgot the other

1039
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:22.320
guy's name, absolutely Cliff Olson, thank you. Absolutely nothing happened,

1040
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.960
but it was my first solo camping adventure in the

1041
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.519
middle of nowhere on a known Bigfoot arian. Scared the

1042
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.280
daylights out of me. On if I can do this,

1043
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:36.079
I can do anything. Absolutely nothing happened. I slept like

1044
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.239
three hours, and then I drove the rest of the

1045
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.639
big Foot Highway into Detroit, and then I really should

1046
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.119
probably get home and stop taking I would take side

1047
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:48.920
roads and I'd go up five miles on the dirt

1048
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.119
roads and then come back just looking for stuff. You know,

1049
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.480
did not find anything. I was some disappointed the whole thing.

1050
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.360
Found absolutely nothing on any side road anything. It was

1051
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.079
a total bust. But it was so much fun. But yeah,

1052
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:07.480
I ended up in Detroit, and that whole corridor along

1053
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.119
the Clackamus is just squatchy as all get out. I

1054
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:16.639
hate that term, but that just describes it everything around there.

1055
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:18.599
And then even you know, I went, I took the

1056
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:24.239
shorter way into Sweet Home and all of that is

1057
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.639
just prime territory also, and then I you know, hit

1058
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.920
the freeway and came back to Eugene because my kid

1059
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.480
was calling me at that point, when are you coming home?

1060
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:41.239
I'm hungry, like starve all weekend. But yeah, so I

1061
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:45.400
just drove there. And that's a little long for me

1062
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.800
to go to go big footing, but to make a

1063
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.519
weekend of it, you know, it was doable. But that's

1064
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.320
like three or four hours for me once you get

1065
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:59.280
up there. No, I'm more like three, but it's a ways.

1066
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.320
But yeah, lots of reports up there everywhere. I bought

1067
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:05.519
that book and I also bought this little map at

1068
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.159
the museum. By the way, if you have not been

1069
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:10.559
to Cliff's Museum up and Boring and you're ever in

1070
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:14.000
the Portland area, that is absolutely worth going to. It's

1071
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:21.559
an amazing experience. It vastly, uh exceeded my expectations. It

1072
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.239
was really cool, and I wish I'd taken more pictures

1073
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.480
of things, and a couple of the things I knew about,

1074
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:33.440
Like I knew about there's like some prints that you

1075
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.679
know that I was familiar with, and it was really cool.

1076
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.440
And then I asked the receptionist, you know, the you know,

1077
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:41.880
not the receptionist, the cashier. I'm like, all right, where

1078
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.639
should I camp tonight. So she's like, okay, and she

1079
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:49.079
told me where to go. So that was kind of fun.

1080
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.360
That was kind of fun. But you have an opportunity

1081
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:52.639
to go to it, you should go to it. It

1082
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:55.920
is so worth it. He did a great job. Him

1083
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:58.800
and Melissa did a fabulous job. But we have to

1084
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.599
say one time he told me a track line that

1085
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.440
had a seventy two inch heel to heel track line

1086
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.920
was not Bigfoot, and I'm like, dude, you're wrong. I'm sorry,

1087
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:15.360
You're just wrong. Seventy two inches unless you're an Olympic sprinter.

1088
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.280
And this thing was not sprinting. It was walking. You know,

1089
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.679
there was no dirt flown about whatever, you know that

1090
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.360
would indicate running. I'm like, dude, you're just wrong. Even

1091
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.079
Cliff is in you know, not infallible.

1092
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:30.400
Right, Cliff is He's a fun guy to talk to.

1093
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:34.280
I've had We got to hang out, We got to

1094
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:38.679
hang out during the festival and yeah, we we went

1095
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.960
out and the group of us went out seable. Oh yeah,

1096
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.079
he's smart, you know.

1097
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.719
So what I have coming up in the next couple

1098
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:51.480
of months, I'm going to go to the big Foot

1099
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.840
festival up and I don't know how to pronounce it

1100
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.559
Melow Team Falls, Washington. I'm going to go up to

1101
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.400
that one. I'll probably get to oak Ridge, but I

1102
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.119
think it's Friday, Saturday or something.

1103
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:03.559
Yes, I don't know.

1104
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.159
I might go to the Oakridge one. Well, I got

1105
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.199
to work on Friday, so that's not going to work,

1106
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:10.719
but I might go on Saturday. I'm going to try

1107
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.840
to get to the Olympic Peninsula. Excuse me, just looking

1108
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:19.360
at that display of the nest that they have. I

1109
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:21.280
don't know if it's a recreation or if they pulled

1110
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.239
it out of the woods or what, but they have

1111
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:29.320
a nest from the the Olympic Peninsula sites. I forgot

1112
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.239
which group is doing the research up in Olympic project. Yeah,

1113
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.840
well that makes sense. They're pretty close mouth about what

1114
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:42.119
they're they're doing and finding and such. But I'd like

1115
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:44.840
to go poke around up there, so i'd like to

1116
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:47.199
do that. I want to get up to the Tillamook

1117
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.199
area and nose around because I've heard of some things

1118
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.360
up there. I want to go to the Redwoods, you know,

1119
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.480
I don't know. There's so many things I want to do,

1120
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.400
but we'll have to see how gas prices are there.

1121
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.480
You go, I mean and yeah, if I lived out there,

1122
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.760
I would be I wouldn't have enough time probably in

1123
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.679
twenty years to go everywhere. I mean, there's so many people,

1124
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.480
so many places to go to in the PNW related

1125
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.079
to Bigfoot, I mean and.

1126
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.039
Oh yeah, I mean, you know, I wanted to do

1127
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:23.719
the pilgrimage the Patterson Gimlin site someday, you know, I'd

1128
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.880
like to do that. We tried doing that once. We

1129
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:29.000
tried going to the museum in Willitts or wherever it's called,

1130
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:32.239
and there was they were closed the one day we

1131
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.360
were driving. My family all lives in Reno, so I'm like,

1132
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.280
all right, kid, we're driving down and we're going to

1133
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:38.559
cut across here. It was like one hundred and eight degrees.

1134
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.519
The museum was closed and there was construction on the highway.

1135
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.239
So it just didn't happen because like hours and hours

1136
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:46.880
to get to the twelve hours to do an eight

1137
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.480
hour drive, and we didn't get to see what we wanted.

1138
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:53.280
So there was no just oh, Let's hill and Patterson

1139
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.360
Gimland site is like, that's not going to work. So

1140
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:57.880
that's on the bucket. Was someday.

1141
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:06.920
In our in our last few minutes have you ever

1142
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:13.880
heard anything. There's an area it's like a subtle Lake

1143
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:18.039
Sisters area. Do you get anything from around there or

1144
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:19.320
have you checked that area out?

1145
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.960
That doesn't sound familiar. But we do get up in

1146
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:26.639
well Mark and I used to get up into the

1147
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.719
high country. I don't know what I'll do by myself

1148
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:34.519
now that I'm bigfooting by myself. So we'll we'll, we'll see.

1149
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.599
I mean, I keep looking for people the Bigfoot with,

1150
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.960
but usually they think you're, you know, a fruitcake. They're like, uh,

1151
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.159
hush or lady. But around here, you know, people believe

1152
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.800
that they don't want anything to do with it, so

1153
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.679
you know, you know, uh, I think about every tenth

1154
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:53.519
person will be like, yeah, I believe in Bigfoot, you know,

1155
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.719
and they're willing to say it. But finding people that

1156
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:58.400
actually go out with is much harder.

1157
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.000
Gosh, who want to.

1158
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.719
Waste their gasoline and their saturdays every weekend being in

1159
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.800
the woods looking for bigfoot? You know, people are like, oh,

1160
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:09.639
you know, you're gonna get the picture someday and make

1161
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:11.239
a whole bunch of money, And I'm like, in the meantime,

1162
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:16.360
I've spent thousands of dollars doing this hobby. Thousands get

1163
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:18.960
out in the woods. I fly fish, I look for muckrooms,

1164
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:22.280
you know, do work craft. I you know, do regular fishing.

1165
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:25.039
I do hiking and backpacking and kayaking. I'm going to

1166
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:28.119
get a new fishing kayak this summer, and you know,

1167
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.880
I want to do some you know, canoe camping or

1168
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:36.960
kayak camping. So I got plans, and there's things to

1169
01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.760
do out there that aren't bigfooting. And I find that

1170
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.239
bigfoot happens when you're doing other things.

1171
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:48.679
Yeah, I would agree fully that this stuff does tend

1172
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:53.400
to happen when you're just hanging out and hanging.

1173
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.280
Out, you're going to go fishing and something, all of

1174
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.960
a sudden, you got a wood knock, exactly, And I

1175
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:02.480
swear I wonder sometimes you know, people have talked about

1176
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.519
and this is kind of wo that they put some

1177
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.840
sort of marker on you where.

1178
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:12.119
They all know that you know they exist. You know,

1179
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.599
so when you walk into a lake, they may not

1180
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.239
knock for everyone, but they're gonna knock so that you

1181
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.720
know they're there. And that's such a weird thing, mh.

1182
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.439
But that's the only reason I can think of that.

1183
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:26.119
I mean, I have lots of friends who hike and

1184
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:29.840
backpack and I'm a co moderator of a hiking group.

1185
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.880
For heaven's sakes, I'm really bad at it. But none

1186
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:37.520
of these people have ever heard wood knocks or found

1187
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.279
prints or anything else. It's like, I know, you guys

1188
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.000
are out in the woods, and I bet you when

1189
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:44.760
you go out with me, we're going to have wood knocks.

1190
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:50.920
And I can't explain that. I don't know why it happens. Yeah,

1191
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:54.239
it's just wonder if there's some sort of marker, you know,

1192
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:55.600
put on people who.

1193
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.279
Know it is is really interesting.

1194
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.720
You know, you start if you talk to a lot

1195
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.359
of people that have had experiences, and do you start

1196
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.119
to notice patterns where the people that have if they

1197
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.079
have an experience out in the woods, sometimes afterwards they

1198
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.399
will open them It's almost like they've opened themselves up

1199
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:17.960
to other things as well that are now like, oh, hey,

1200
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.119
this person is in this area and you know you

1201
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:24.319
better be careful. You may have brought something home that

1202
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.279
that can happen a lot too. And it's just it's

1203
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.159
very very strange, and I don't know if we'll ever

1204
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.399
really understand everything that's going on there, but that is

1205
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:40.439
something that does keep coming up in people's accounts as well.

1206
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:45.520
So yeah, well, besides just regular emergency prep and stuff

1207
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.000
not is stuff, and having your backpacking stuff that you

1208
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:52.319
should have. I also ground myself and do a spell

1209
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.560
of protection around myself before I go out in the woods,

1210
01:09:54.560 --> 01:10:00.239
so I don't bring something home accidentally, especially UFOs and aliens.

1211
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.640
Nothing to do with them. Nothing. I don't want to

1212
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.439
know that. I don't want anything. I don't like that picture.

1213
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:08.159
I don't want anything to do with it.

1214
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:14.720
Big the UFOs know absolutely.

1215
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.520
And you know, I've talked to two different people that

1216
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.479
have had sightings in the woods down by Cottage Grove,

1217
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:26.720
Owl Moon Lab area where they've seen something that looks

1218
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:29.439
like an alien in the woods.

1219
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:33.079
Oh, I've heard that from Tob too. And I've heard

1220
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.399
metallic sounds in the woods that sound like doors opening.

1221
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.159
Oh you have.

1222
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:44.600
And yeah, I've heard some weird things out there. And

1223
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.439
I don't want anything to do with that, no, thank you.

1224
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.880
I have a friend who was in the military. He

1225
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.800
used to do he used to hunt people and poachers,

1226
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:04.359
and now he hunts poachers and and whatnot. And he

1227
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.680
has gone into many many places in the woods and

1228
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.199
he has seen stick Indians and he's Native American, and

1229
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:12.079
he says, don't talk about those things, but he has

1230
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:14.159
seen them in that area, and a lot of times

1231
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.079
he'll tell me. I'll say, hey, is this area okay

1232
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.039
to go, and he'll give me warnings, you know, watch

1233
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:22.560
out for this, that yes, this is safe, whatever whatever.

1234
01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.880
But he has seen stick Indians little people in that area,

1235
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.399
and I'm like, no, I don't want anything to do

1236
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:28.920
with that either.

1237
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:30.960
Oh wow, okay.

1238
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:34.880
That that is also something I've heard a little bit, like, yeah,

1239
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:39.640
there's there's little people things going on in that that

1240
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:40.680
area as well.

1241
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.479
Man, that's crazy. Do you think.

1242
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:50.560
Do you think there's any reason why all this stuff happens? Well,

1243
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.239
I guess it's it's really all over Oregon. I just

1244
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.960
kind of hyper focus on this one area is what

1245
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.279
it comes down to. But really all of Oregon has

1246
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.479
weird stuff like this happening.

1247
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.359
Correct, I think it's all over. Yeah.

1248
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.039
If you think about the big picture, you know, when

1249
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:12.199
Europeans came to this continent, of course, Native Americans were

1250
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.399
already here right living their lives, doing their things. All

1251
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.479
of the Native tribes have names for sasquatch, and some

1252
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:23.000
of them have names for other creatures. Also, but I think,

1253
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.439
you know, we brought our diseases over here and killed

1254
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.239
off all the Native Americans, and I wonder if it

1255
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:30.520
also killed off a lot of the Sasquatch species, and

1256
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:35.439
so now they're making a comeback, you know, for many,

1257
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:39.960
many hundreds of years, decades, the last decades, and then

1258
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.199
you start getting stories. But it could also be that

1259
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:46.079
we're just pushing into their territory as our cities and

1260
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:51.720
you know, things and towns expand into the wilderness. But yeah,

1261
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:55.079
there's a lot of weird things on the West Coast.

1262
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:59.159
But there are stories everywhere, you know. I mean, look

1263
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.960
at Appalachia. Have my friends Joe and Jesse who are

1264
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.199
help at Holler. Joe and I are on the Bigfoot forums,

1265
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:07.680
which have disappeared. I don't know where they went, but

1266
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:09.760
Joe and I have talked for years and Mark and

1267
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.600
I and they have all sorts of weird stuff happened

1268
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.199
in Appalachia. So it's not only the Pacific Northwest, it's

1269
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:21.640
other areas of the country too. But yeah, that's in

1270
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:25.199
just the tip of the iceberg. You know. Bigfoot is

1271
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:27.840
like the gateway drugged all sorts of weird the woods.

1272
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.199
Yeah, it's a perfect way to put it. Really, it

1273
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:33.359
really does open you up and you have to be

1274
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:35.239
aware of who.

1275
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:36.039
You really are.

1276
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:38.439
Anyway.

1277
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:43.479
Yeah, that's a pretty easy way to put it.

1278
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:44.119
Carry me.

1279
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.319
It has been just a really fun conversation with you

1280
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.079
about Lane County and all the things that you have

1281
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:55.119
gotten into over the years, and I'm sure they'll continue

1282
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:58.239
to be cool things that happen. But I want to

1283
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.920
make sure that people are aware of how they can

1284
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.800
keep up to date with what you're doing, and if

1285
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.560
is there also a way that they might be able

1286
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:11.600
to reach out to you if they need to about

1287
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:13.039
things in the area or anything like that.

1288
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.319
Oh sure. I have my YouTube channel, lane County Bigfitters,

1289
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.560
and I have to say I have no idea how

1290
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.880
to edit. I am the most technology ludeite person you've

1291
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.199
ever met in your life. What you see is what

1292
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.520
you get, So eventually I hope to learn how to

1293
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:32.359
edit and have an intro in an outro and make

1294
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.119
it look a lot better. But today is not that day.

1295
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.319
So you can go to my YouTube channel and see

1296
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:41.159
all of this at Lane County Bigfooters. You can email

1297
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:44.159
me at Lane County big Footers at gmail dot com.

1298
01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:48.600
And I'm really super bad about checking my account like

1299
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:49.279
twice a year.

1300
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:51.640
That's awesome.

1301
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.880
If you on a video I recently made, I'm and

1302
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.920
say hey, carry go check out out your email, then

1303
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.920
I'll remember to go check my email. And I supposedly

1304
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:07.520
have a Facebook page too, but that's even worse. I

1305
01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:12.000
never update that, so that's pretty much defunct. But you

1306
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:13.399
can reach me in those two things.

1307
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:14.800
Awesome.

1308
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:18.520
Well, I'll make sure that all that is in the

1309
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.479
show notes. But thank you so much for coming on

1310
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.960
the show tonight, and best of luck in the future.

1311
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.439
Carrie, Thank you so much.

1312
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:29.319
I just wanted to take a minute to say thank

1313
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:30.960
you for listening to this episode of the Big for

1314
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:34.079
Society podcast. Carrie's journey is one of those rare stories

1315
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:38.720
that blend's personal struggle, raw fear, and relentless curiosity. Whether

1316
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.079
it was the eerie whistles near that summer camp, the

1317
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:44.279
creature behind the culvert, or the twott on thermal and

1318
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:47.520
the Oregon Woods, her story sticks with you. If you

1319
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.359
enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube,

1320
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.800
hit the bell icons you don't miss any new episodes,

1321
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:55.119
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1322
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:57.520
big Foot Oregon lore or just a wild mystery in

1323
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.800
the forest. If you're listening on Apple podcas Us or Spotify,

1324
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.680
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1325
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:05.319
willing to leave a positive review. It helps us reach

1326
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.039
more curious minds like yours. Now, if you are someone

1327
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.039
you know has had a big foot encounter, especially around

1328
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.239
Lane County, Oregon, the Oakridge area, Blue River, or the

1329
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.119
Cottage Grove area, I would love to hear your story.

1330
01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:20.840
Please shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail

1331
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:24.920
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01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:28.880
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1333
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01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.000
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1337
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.800
Big for Society. Until next time, keep your eyes open,

1338
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.399
trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might

1339
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:49.319
be out there, and see you in the woods.