Biker Boys vs. the Forest Beast | New York

0:02 You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah bron Tonight's account. We talked to Scott, who in the summer of nineteen seventy six was a teenage dirtbike racer who thought the scariest thing in the woods was a pack of wild dogs. One night, he was proven wrong when something impossibly heavy started marching towards them in the darkness. This is a story of Scott, the teenager who learned that the forest protects itself and sometimes its own monsters. So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Scott today. Scott's an individual I was introduced over on the YouTube channel for Bigfoot Society and he is on the line to share an encounter he had an upstate New York. I'm really excited to hear about what he experienced that day when tenting out in the woods, and he's going to tell us all about it. But Scott, welcome to the show. How are you doing today?

1:01 I'm doing fine, Thank you. Absolutely this is I believe you'll share, of course more about the particular area. But I believe this area has come up on the show in the last few months at least the general area. So it'll be interesting to put another account in the area. But you know, Scott, I'm going to go ahead and feel free to share any details about yourself that we would need to know that might help before we actually hear you tell what happened that day.

1:41 Well, yeah, this encounter happened in upstate New York, a Notts and Valley region of upstate New York. A little town up there called Red Hook, New York, is where I grew up. I grew up there in the late sixties or early seventies pretty much as a teenager boy, the typical teenager and the country type guide with We did a lot of hunting, a lot of fishing, I did trapping, So we were out in the woods a lot growing up in that area near the Catskill Mountains. Played baseball, rode a lot of bikes, and did some motocross, trail riding, all types of outdoor sports like that. So growing up in that area, there was a lot of woods, a lot of streams, ponds, creeks, and and we as kids back then, you know, we we were never in the house.

2:37 Sitting down on a couch watching TV. We were we were always out in the woods, even day, night, whenever, exploring, just doing all kinds of outdoor activities. So and that area where I'm talking about, you know, is very country, a lot of farms, dairy farms, apple orchards and things like that. So as as kids all through our teens from two three four years old all the way up till eighteen nineteen twenty years old, we were just constantly outside and familiar with the woods what was that and fishing, and we did a lot of trapping animals. Also, so you were you were definitely no stranger to being out in the woods. You're aware of what animals were out there, what birds? Is the thing where you're pretty familiar with things that you would see and hear and you'd know what they were.

3:35 Oh absolutely, well, you know, we we had I had trapping lines when I was a teenager, and they went for miles up over fields and streams and ponds and creeks and up over I don't want to call them mountains, but they were you know, very big hills that you know, not really a mountain, but large hills and a lot of fields. And I trapped a muskrat in a lot of streams, mink, raccoons, and foxes, And as far as animals, we really didn't have any bears out there. A lot of deer, of course we're in our area. We hunted deer during deer season. We hunted squirrels, we hunted rabbits, and also we did raccoon hunting at night a lot of times with coon dogs.

4:24 So we were out in the woods a lot in the night. As far as the animals go, I was familiar with all of them, even like stuff like snakes. I had a snake collection. We went out in the woods all the time trying to find snakes, lifting up every rock we could, turning over every walk we could do. There was a lot of dead wood in the forest, a lot of trees laying down where we would roll them over and on snakes, and I had a collection that I had in tanks with all different breeds of snakes. So we were always out in the woods with the animals. The The only time I ever had an encountering the woods with animals that actually frightened me was a pack of wild dogs.

5:10 There was one time in the woods when I got scared when a pack of wild dogs they were running deer, and that was not so much common, but it happened a few times where you'd hear them barking in a pack and they'd be chasing deer and you'd see the white tails going up through the fields and up over the hills and all that, and there would be six, seven, eight, ten dogs all in the pack. And one day out in the woods as a teenager twelve, thirteen, fourteen, whatever, I was up there hunting snakes or whatever I was doing, and a pack of dogs actually surrounded me and were growling at me and you know, like almost attacking me. So I remember that that frightened me a little bit. But as far as being in the woods, I knew all the creatures in the woods, all the animals in the woods, and the only thing I ever went in the woods and was scared was wild dogs.

6:01 How did you get away from those dogs that day? You know, I don't remember exactly. I think I just started, you know, going after them, because if you show fear, you know, than than they sense that and they'll come at you a little more. So I think I just started attacking them and acting like I was gonna you know, fight them and kick them and everything and kind of ran them off. I don't remember exactly, but I just remember having a pack of wild dogs approached me and scaring the daylights. Out of me. That's that's pretty wild. I'm glad that that turned out the way that it did for you. That is, you know, sometimes you hear things where that's not the case when you when you deal with wild dogs in the woods.

6:49 So you were, you were definitely out in the woods quite a bit and this area, you know, I just also maybe throw in a little contact myself. This Red Hook is in Dutchess County, New York. There are more, I mean there's a few. There's at least five public reports listed on the BFRO. There's things over the years such as vocalizations, there's visual encounters. There's campers heard and see possible bigfoot passed by tents on Nuclear Lake. Very interesting stuff. And actually I'll give these guys a little shout out. Although I've never talked to them, I guess there's a bait shop in Red Hook, New York, hook Line and Sinker Bait Shop where they have bigfoot researchers of the Hudson Valley. So that's kind of cool. They have a research foundation going on. There's how it's listed on Google Maps. So shout out to you guys. Feel free to reach out. Maybe we'll chat someday as well.

7:48 But so to say that your account that you're about to share, there's other things that have happened before as well, which is very interesting. But would you be able to take us back to that day when you know you were out in the woods and you had this experience happen. Yeah, the well, the right now? What has happened? First of all, I've been a skeptic my whole life, and I'm coming to terms with my encounter. Basically, I'm sixty two years old now and I never really reported anything.

8:32 I've never really. You know, put a lot of thought into this. But recently there's been a series of events that's happened that brings me to call and notify you guys and share my encounter. It's just a bunch of things that have all happened. It's like a bunch of pieces of puzzle that have all come together here within the last year, which is encouraging me to make this call to you and share my experience. So I'll start out with this encounter. It was probably the year of nineteen seventy six. As I previously stated, we had motorcycles, you know, I had mini bikes and motorcycles and trail bikes and things that.

9:19 We rode all over. We had literally thousands of acres around our house, including power lines that go go north and south with you know, trails all through the power lines, and then another set of power lines that goes east and west, and you know, we had trails that we would take our dirt bikes up and down these power lines. Now, the power lines that go through that area, you can ride those power lines on a motorcycle, you know, all the way from Red Rock down to Fishkill I think, which is like a good fifteen to twenty miles one way, and like north towards up like up by Elizaville they go. So as kids, you know, when we got on our bikes, we could just ride for hours and hours, exploring all the lands around us. And on top of that, we made trails through the woods to take our motorcycles through, even when there wasn't trails already made like the power lines were, so we had thousands of acres where we could ride all over. Well, this day, it was a weekend.

10:24 We were out of school. It was a summer break. I was about thirteen or fourteen years old at the time, and one of my friends that I was very close with lived about four or five miles away, and he had a trail bike and I had my trail bike, and it was a Saturday where we would go camping sometimes and ride together. It was probably later in the afternoon, like four or five o'clock, because I remember it was going to be dark in like four or five hours, I believe. But anyway, he called me up on the phone and he asked me, he said, Hey, do you want to get on your bike ride over to my house?

11:06 And he said, I think it'll be cool. We'll take the tent out in the woods and we'll ride some trails and we'll take the tent with us, and we'll sleep tonight in the tent, and then tomorrow, which would have been a Sunday, you know, we'll pack up the tent and come back and do something during the day. So I was like, okay. So I went out, got my gas can always filled the tank on the bike before I left, got my sleeping bag and a two man puff tank and we would take bungee courts and just strap the sleeping bag and the puff tent on the backseat of the bike. So I strapped it on, filled the tank and told my parents, say I'll see tomorrow. So I get on my trail bike and I ride the power lines for a while and it, like I said, it's probably four or five miles over to his house.

11:55 So it was about a. Good twenty thirty thirty five minute ride probably through the power lines and then through all these trails we had cut through the woods. And I arrived at his house and he's got his bike out on a kickstand. He's all ready to go. He's got a sleeping bag, you know, tied down with his bungee cords, and he's got these two machetes. And he didn't mention anything to me about the machetes. So he's got these two machetes and they're in this green sheath with a shoulder strap. So he says to me, he says, here, put this machete on you. He said, we're going to ride ride down the road to get to the field there. And he said we're going to cut a path into the woods with the machetes. And he said, so instead of us going on trails. We know, he goes, let's make our own trail. We're just gonna head back into these woods and make our own trail, and then we'll find a place put up a tent tonight and we'll sleep there and we'll come back, you know, kind of like an adventure type thing. So I'm like, okay, So we ride through this field, we get to the edge of the woods, we put our bikes on, our kicks the hands.

13:00 I grabbed the machete. The sheath went over your back, so you just pulled it out from your back. And there was sick cedar trees there. And I don't know if you know cedar tree as well, but they grow together. They're really thick. But the limbs on the cedar trees are kind of small, so you can cut them with a machete. So we just started we called it hacking. We just started hacking our way into these woods, and we cut through just enough to get our handlebars through because we were going back into these woods and we were making our own trail just to get the bikes through. So we'd go in there and we'd hack maybe twenty thirty forty feet at a time and then go back to the motorcycles, start them up, ride them in where we cut the trail through. Then you know, park the bikes, put to kickstand down, get the machetes, start packing in some more so. Anyway, we did this for probably a couple of hours, just hacking into the woods. And of course, if there's like a big log that you know, went down where we couldn't get our bikes over, topped like two foot log or something, you know, we'd have to go around that.

14:05 So we just worked our way back into this forest, so to speak, cutting a trail and kind of riding their bikes in as we went, and we got eventually we got to this It wasn't a clearing, but it wasn't thick like cedar trees and really thick woods or brush anymore. There was an opening and I remember coming into this opening and it was these great big pine trees there, and these pine trees were huge, and underneath the pine trees was all a lot of pine needles. And I remember stopping with the bike there thinking to myself, boy, it's soft. I don't know if you ever stepped on pine needles or not, but it's like a bedding it's very soft underneath the pine needles. So I said that my friend, his name was Tommy.

14:51 I said to. Tommy, I said, hey, this is a perfect place to put up a tent, A nice soft spot here. And the pine trees provided great cover because we camped a lot out in the woods and one of the things that was common was these storms that would pop up thunder and lightning and heavy rain in the middle of the night. And the two man puff tent that we had was made of vinyl, and when it got wet in a rain, if you scraped up against it with your arm or your elbow, the water would come through the vinyl and get you wet. So we knew when it rained, don't touch the side of the tent because the water would come through and get you wet. So these pine trees provided a good safe cover from the weather if we were going to have any that night, which back in nineteen seventy six, we didn't know. We didn't have any weather forecast back then, but anyway, we decided to put the tent up underneath the group of pine trees there.

15:48 Well, once we got the. Tent up, the next thing we did as kids was explored the area. We had never been back there before. It was pretty far back in the woods. We camped in the woods a lot, and camping at night, you could always hear, like cars going down a road. You could hear the tires at night when it was quiet. You could hear like an ambulance or a fire truck with its sirens or whistles. You could hear large car engines, or like Harley motorcycles with loud pipes. You could hear a motorcycle off in the distance, so you could hear when we. Were near things. You could always hear different noises and sounds through the woods. Well, we were back there and we couldn't hear anything, so I didn't know exactly where we were because we'd cut our way in.

16:37 But I also. Knew that where we were there wasn't any houses or roads or construction or anything like that. It was kind of back there, pretty deep, in my opinion, We were pretty far away from everything. So we explored the area there and we were kind of in a valley, and I noticed we always looked to ride our bikes on and of the trails. We were racing motocross too, also, so we liked to race these bikes, so we would look for places where we could do a jump or a hill, or climb a side of a hill hill climbing type stuff, or or go around a turn and make a burm with the wheels, you know, to go around faster to build up the dirt and all that.

17:22 So we were walking around through the area there and we were looking and I noticed down below us, a little way east was a little bit of a low lying area and it was either a wet land there or it might have been dry, and it was previously a wet land because you could tell that with the green grass that grows up. I don't want to call the swamp, but like, if it rained really hard, it would probably be water laying in there, and it could be a swamp at different times of the year, but it most probably a little bit dry back then. And right before or right after that low lying area, there was an embankment it went up and I walked over to the embankment and I looked up at because the first thing I'm thinking is, gee, can we take our motorcycles up there? How much of a challenge it would be.

18:10 And it was very brushy, it was very thick embankment, and it was pretty steep and it went up you know, probably I don't know, fifty sixty eighty feet or something to the top of a ridge line up there. And I looked at that and thought, well, should we be trying to take our bikes up there to have some funneries and it's not worth it. So I determined that it wasn't worth trying to get the bikes up there, go through the low lying muddy area and then try to scale that hill on a motorcycle the ones we had probably wasn't going to be worth all that. So I turned around and realized that we're down this valley, there was a ridge up above us, and got to know our surroundings a little bit, and eventually it got dark, and here's where the encounter comes in. It got dark and we just went to sleep the tent. Now, the only thing we had as kids in those woods was we had two motorcycles, and we had our two machetes.

19:09 We had two sleeping bags and a tent. That was it. We did not bring food with us. We didn't even have a flashlight with us. So that's all we had, and that's we were good with that. You know, that was the fun of it, that was the adventurous. So we just went to sleep and passed forward to sometime in the middle of the night. I don't know exactly what time it was. I wasn't paying any attention, but a loud noise woke me up, and I remember laying on. My back in a sleeping bag. We didn't have pillows, because we would use like a clothes like our sweater or some clothing item, you know, to put behind your head, because it was minimal what we could carry into the woods. But I was laying on my back in a sleeping bag, and I remember hearing a wor in the woods that woke me up, and it was a crunching noise. And so as soon as I woke up, I heard this crunch and it was way off in the distance. And then I heard a crunch again and it was way off in the distance, and then another crunch, and I got thinking to myself laying there, and I said, gee, I wonder what that is.

20:22 Because the forest floor was very dry and there was a lot of dead leaves on it. There was a lot of sticks, dried up wood sticks, and when we were walking around the area, we were stepping on all the dry forest floor and we were making it crunch underneath our feet when we first got there and explored the area. So that crunching noise I had heard, I said, gee, that sounds like when I was just walking a couple hours ago. So I heard that crunching noise and I woke Tommy up. He was next to me in a sleeping bag, and I said, hey, I said, are you awaking. I ended up waking him up and he said, what. Do you want. I said, well, there's a crunching noise out in the woods that I'm not familiar with. You know, just listen, you'll hear it, and you know, then you hear that crunch, crunch, crunch.

21:13 And what was weird was I had been sleeping in woods like that in a tent, you know, and I heard everything at night. Very common was whipper wheels. You would hear them, the birds, You would hear bullfrogs that were ponds croaking off in a distance. You could hear a lot of crickets and a lot of insects through the night. So I was familiar with all these noises. I was even familiar with regular animals walking through the woods. Like at night, Like raccoons were very common coming up to our tent. Possums were very common, and those type creatures you could hear them. They kind of scuffle around when they go through the woods, you can definitely tell.

21:58 And they wander, and that's the keyword here, like most animals just wander, even deer. You can hear deer walking and you can hear them wandering through the woods like they're searching for food or whatever. But this crunching noise was completely different than what I'd ever heard, and it alarmed me. And so we just laid there and we started listening very intently. And the other thing was there was no noise in the woods whatsoever, which was a little weird because, like I said, usually heard birds or frogs or something. So the woods became dead silent, which was odd. And then this crunching noise, and this crunching noise just started getting louder and louder and louder, like something was walking and it was walking through the woods, and it was coming and I don't want to say towards us, but it don't coming directly towards us, but it was coming towards our direction.

22:55 Based on the loudness that it was getting. And was dead silent, and we just kept listening and it got louder and louder and louder, and I could tell it was off to my right shoulder, which was where that ridgeline was that I originally looked at to take the bikes up that ridge line and up that embankment, and that crunching noise just kept getting louder and louder till it got parallel with us, so it was on my right side as I'm laying there, and it got so loud that I knew it was parallel with the tent now up that embankment. And then it stopped and we were both sitting in the tent and I said to Tommy, I said, that sounds like a man that's walking, and he agreed with me.

23:51 He said, yeah, he said that sounds like a man. And I said to him, I said, well, did you tell your father you know where we were going? And he said no, And I said, well, my father doesn't know where we're going, because the first thing I thought of is our fathers are out looking for us. Maybe they think we're lost or something. So we talked about if it could have been a father looking for us, and we both decided, well, our dads can't. They don't know where we are, so they're not going to be coming out here because we were convinced it was a man. So it had stopped. And next thing we know, and I don't have the exact time, I don't know if it was a minute, five minutes or a couple of minutes or some seconds or whatever, but next thing I know is we heard it coming down the embankment. And it come down the embankment. It crashed through, brushed and you know all that deadwood I was telling you that was laying there on the forest floor, some sticks, leaves, limbs and things like that. And I because I knew that embankment, I've looked at it earlier that day, and I said, boy, whatever it is, it's coming.

24:55 Down that embankment. So it comes down bankment and it literally walked up to the tent and we could hear it walking closer to the tent. And it stopped. And we were petrified because I thought for sure at that point we were going to see a flashlight. I was looking for the tent to light up. The tent was very thin vinyl and you could see like if there was a light inside the tent, you could see it, and if there was a light outside the tent, you'd be able to see it through the vinyl of the tent. It was very thin, and I thought to myself, well, somebody's going to put a light on us now, and somebody's gonna say something. So we sat there, and you know, originally I told Tommy, I said, well, let's just pretend we're sleep because we don't know what's out there. We don't know what's what this is or whatever. Let's just pretend we're sleep. We're not going to make any noise.

25:49 Let's be quiet, just everybody, and let's hope this thing goes away because we. Don't know what it is. So so we waited. This is another thing. Don't remember how long it was. I don't have a. Concept of time, but anyway, there was a certain amount of time. The woods were dead quiet. We were dead quiet, and we were listening, and I did not hear any breathing. I did not hear any noise. It was dead silent. It was dead silent standing outside a tent, and the woods were dead silent. There was no noise whatsoever. And I didn't like I said. I thought there would be a flashlight. I thought I would hear somebody saying. So none of that happened. We just stood there was sat there frozen, scared, scared of death. Two little kids scared of death. Now we don't know what's about to happen.

26:37 And just all of a sudden, it just turned around. And by the way, there was no odor, no smell, nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing, And all of a sudden it just turned around and it started walking back up the embankment where it came from, and we could hear it crunch, crunch, crunch, right through the woods back up on top of the hill. It got up to where it was and then continued on the path that it was going wherever it was going, and we could just hear it crunch, crunch and just walk away into the distance. And as long as I could hear it crunching through the woods coming to us, I could hear it crunching through the woods leaving us from.

27:19 The point of where it came down the embankment. So, you know, the next thing we thought of was that it had to be an escape prisoner. That was what we determined happened. To us because at the time in the seventies, our local news had reported in Dutchess County by the way, that there was some prison escapes, and as little boys, you know, fourteen years old, we knew that that could be something that could happen in Huston Valley where these guys were running from the law. So we just chalked that up is that that had to be an escape prisoner because you know, he didn't have a flashlight and he was traveling through the woods at night. So that's kind of exactly how we figured that. Now, being petrified, after that happened, we waited till the crack at dawn, as you know, which was probably a couple hours away, so that might have been like say three o'clock in the morning, I'm guessing, don't know exactly, but say five thirty six o'clock, the you know, the light started coming up.

28:26 And the minute the light came en. Up where we could get up and see, you know, we we got up as soon as we could see, and we we packed up the tent, the sleeping bags, we started a motorcycle, and we got out of there, and pretty much that was our encounter, and we really didn't talk about it too much. Our thing was that we didn't really know of any big foots back then. We we we really weren't familiar. We didn't think it was a big foot. We didn't really know of any. We wouldn't we didn't hear of any. Now jump backwards a little bit in time. I do remember the Legend of Boggy Creek movie came out in the early seventies, and we did watch it, but that was something that we thought was like a monster movie. We didn't associate that with like a real life thing. Especially in our area where we grew up.

29:18 We weren't aware of any big foot reports. If we had heard of any big foot reports like the Pattison Gimin film, that was something that was out in California, you know, way far away. There was nothing that we knew of around our place. So now fast forward here that happened in nineteen seventy six. I never really, you know, thought about any kind of encounter or anything like that. So all these years went by, and the next thing that happened to me with regarding my skeptical skepticism in a bigfoot was nineteen ninety six.

29:58 I had the opportunity need to be a salesman out in the Midwest. So I went out to Pacific Northwest selling signs to businesses, and I traveled through northern California, went through the redwood forest out there, and stopped at a bunch of local businesses, and you know, everybody knows about, you know, Bluff Creek and all that, and I happened to drive through that area. And one of the things that happened to me out. There was I realized that everybody I spoke with in that area believed in Bigfoot because of the Bluff Creek and all that. And if anybody's ever been out there and you talk to people, they are all convinced that Bigfoot is real in that area and that either you know, one of their relatives a mother, a daughter, a grandfather, an uncle or a.

30:48 Brother or whatever, father whatever. Most people will tell you stories of their family having encounters out there. And I was out there for a month or two working at area, and I left there and I came back to New York at the time, and I was convinced at that time that there are people that believe in Bigfoot, mainly from that area. So even in ninety six, twenty years later after my encounter, I really didn't didn't put much into what happened to me. I didn't really tie those two things together, even though I was actually convinced in ninety six that people believe that there is a Bigfoot, all right. So fast forward to twenty eleven, twenty twelve. Everybody knows about the show that came on TV, Finding Bigfoot. Well, I had thought that the show was interesting, so I started becoming a Finding Bigfoot fan just for entertainment. And I thought that the characters there, Bobo and Cliff and Burne and all, I thought they were entertaining. So I started watching that show, and there was a night when it came on. I think it was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, so it was a few seasons into it.

32:17 I had my family watching it with me. I have a wife and two daughters, and I had told my wife and two daughters probably about this encounter at one time, and I just said, you know, we don't really know what it was. It was probably a man, not sure. So we're watching this show Finding Bigfoot, and it was one of the episodes where they were in upstate New York covering either the Adiron Dacks or the Hudson Valley. I'm not sure, but I'm sitting there on the couch and I'm watching the show, and I believe it was Matt Moneymaker, and I got my whole family there with me, and I believe that he sat on the show that there was big foots in the Hudson Valley, and he said that they had had sightings there in the seventies and eighties and whatnot, and that he believed that they traveled from the Green Mountains through the Hudson Valley down to the Pocono Mountains.

33:23 All right. Well, when he said that, I just about flew up off the couch because whatever was walking through the woods when I was in that tent, there was one thing about that that stuck out. Whatever it was, it was traveling. And like I said, something was traveling. It was not wandering like a deer or an animal. It was traveling from point eight to point B. And that was something that shocked me. But I never put it together until Matt Moneymaker said they travel from the ground. And if where my encounter was was exactly that path, if you drew a line from the Green Mountains or the Berkshire Mountains, you know, over that mountain range.

34:09 By Massachusetts Vermont. If you if you drew a. Line, that's right where I was in that tent, straight down to northern part of New Jersey and New York and New Jersey state line through the Hudson Valley to the top of the Poconos right there. And that's that really woke me up, because that was a shock to me that he'd mentioned that, and that was kind of like another piece of a puzzle where I started thinking about, gee, you know, what was that? And that was, like I said, probably twenty fifteen, which is like ten years from now.

34:51 So fast forward to last year. I bought a. TV with the Internet capabilities on it, which I didn't have one before that, and you know, my kids started telling me, hey, Dad, you know you need to watch YouTube and check out these new. Platforms and all that stuff. So right away I decided, well, I'm gonna, you know, do a search bar with the Bigfoot stuff so you guys come up and all the different YouTube videos. So I started watching some of those things, just as has something to do. And the next thing I find out is about Whitehall, New York, which I didn't know anything about Whitehall, New York, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that are listening to this podcast and hear about the Beast of Whitehall. So I started watching all that and then I'm watching that and that was the summer of seventy six that they said on the white Hall Show. And I'm like, well, that was the year in the summer it was August, I believe, and I think Whitehall was seventy six and all, and I'm like, wow, jeez.

36:01 And then you know that thing with them traveling through our area, and like, boy, there's a lot of coincidences here just happening to me. So anyway, I learned about that, and then of course I started investigating more stuff. And then I found out also that there was a sighting in Kinderhook, New York. I believe that one was a little bit a couple of years later, but that the Whitehall, the Kinderhook and then the Red Hook and and then I also learned that there was some sightings in Sussex, New Jersey back in the seventies in the same time frame. And that's that, you know, the area that met Moneymaker had put together where he said they traveled from the Green Mountains or whatever, down through Upson Valley into the top of the Poconos. And I don't know if any researchers have run into what I have here lately, but it's it's a really weird coincidence that all these locations of these sightings and then that map if you go look through the Hudson Valley there. I mean, there's a lot of coincidences here. And I just thought to myself, Man, you know, there's a lot of coincidence here where you know, maybe maybe something, maybe maybe something.

37:18 Is of this. But but I do know one thing about my encounter, and I have told this to people now that this has all come come forth, like I'm describing it here. Whatever whatever was through the woods that night, I am convinced that it was Bypeedle. I'm also convinced that it was extremely heavy. I'm also convinced that it was very athletic. And I'm also convinced that it could see in a dark. Those four things right there. Nobody can tell me that that's not true. Bipeedle, extremely heavy, very athletic, and could see in a dark. I mean that there's no way that those those four things aren't a fact about the encounter I had. So, you know, having said all that, that's that's where I am today. And I'm just shocked over all of the people that are reporting sightings such as myself now that we have platforms such as yours, and I think there's a lot of people probably that have encounters from the seventies and the eighties that such as myself that may not have realized their encounters kind of like like what happened to me a little bit, but also ones that may have encounters where they just haven't gone public with them and told the story such as I'm doing now. I think that there's probably a

38:48 lot of people my age. I'm sixty two this year, and there's there's probably And I encourage people, if you have a story or something like that, to come out and meet with you guys here on a podcast and tell your story, because this phenomenon is really really taken off with these coincidences. And and then I started looking at Jeffrey Meldrum and the research he's doing out in Idaho State University, which is very impressive. And also we have the Survivor Man. I started watching his stuff just recently and he's getting involved in it. Very credible guy, you know, searching for evidence. So you know, you got the entertainment factor of a lot of this stuff going on with Bigfoot, but then you also have some serious studies on it. And I'm just coming out with my story because, uh, I think it's worth bringing this out for people who like myself that are that are our age.

39:47 And now there's platforms where we can where we can go ahead and and and let everybody know what we've experienced. Absolutely, what an interesting account. Thank you for sharing it, Scott. There's just there's some interesting things that I noticed too. It just it makes sense that something would have come and check out checked out your campsite due to the fact that, I mean, you're you're slowly riding those motorcycles into this area. Let's say if there was something nearby, it's gonna check out. Okay, what's one? What's making all the noise too? What's you know? They probably were able to figure out, hey, what's cutting down the branches of the trees as well. But it is extremely interesting and compelling, especially what you brought up that you know, it had to be able to see in the dark. You did not see a flashlight. It was dark. Did you notice anything about the sounds of the forest during that time?

41:02 It was very quiet and you couldn't hear the whipper wheels or the frogs, the bullfrogs. It was the whole time. All you could hear was that crunching of the footsteps, and it was very loud. It echoed through the forest. You know. It woke me up. And yeah, it was very loud. And talking about to your. Point, I will tell you, I don't know if it had a keen sense of smell and it approached the tent, or it had a keen sense of sight somehow, whatever it was didn't need light and knew we were there. And I can't explain that either. But I will tell you the bikes that we rode, we went through a lot of streams, and when the engine got hot from water being splashed on the motors or the motorcycles and also mud. We went through a lot of mud, a lot of water, and when it splashed up on the exhaust pipe or the head of the engine. You could always smell like a burn smell off those trail bikes we had, and so there was an odor of like a heated machine you know, hot engine type odor that you could smell off of those engines that lasted there quite a while because that that mud would stick to it and burn it into the into the paint of the engine, you know, and it would smell.

42:22 For quite a while with the engines hot. And and also the bikes when we parked them on their kickstands and they leaned over on a kickstand the carburetor we had carburetors back then on them, and they had a foot bowl in them, and the gas would slowly drip out and maybe overflow a little bit. So so like when you park your bikes, they would stink for a while of this hot, you know, heated engine with mud and water on it. You would smell like that, and then you would also smell gas. And it was common for them to stink. Like gas for an hour or two, you know, or whatever after after we parked them on the kickstands. So so I know, the bikes probably had an odor through the woods that evening. And the other side of that was as far as seeing, you know, the tent was bright orange and the bikes were there next to it, parked on their kickstands, but the moonlight where we were under those pines. It was dark under there. We were shaded by any moonlight. I don't even remember moonlight.

43:26 To be honest with you. It wasn't like we were in a field where we were all lit up and you could see us with moonlight. We were under a canopy. We were under a thick canopy of pine trees. So even walking through that forest, even looking if you could even I'm not sure if I've never been able to see at night, but if something could see at night, I'm not sure how much vision they could even have from that ridge line down to where our tent was, with the motorcycles park next to it, underneath those thick pine trees, in that dark area where we were the forest, And like I said, well that's another thing, you know, to this day, to this day, I'm just amazed at whatever had whatever it was, didn't have a flashlight, and now thinking even had a flashlight, had a heck, did it even know where we were to come down that embankment, to.

44:16 Walk over to where the tent was. It's so much stuff just doesn't make sense. And like I said, as boys, we just figured it had to be a man, and but we didn't we couldn't explain why a man would be out there, and then we couldn't figure out how a man would be out there without a flashlight because we thought, hey, either I have that flashlight own in the mill and night like that, they walked through the woods and that's the story. Absolutely, it's such such a weird account. Over the years when you were still in that area, did you ever hear any stories or anything about other people having weird experiences or maybe Bigfoot related things happen in the Red Hook area?

45:01 Well, no, you know, absolutely not, and that's one of the things that has stumped me for all these years. You know. One is in the seventies, nobody had any technology with like we do now, with cell phones or cameras and stuff like that, you know, like we do readily available today. You know, we had black and white TV. You know, we had three channels. You know, we had a wall phone and it was a party line where you had to pick up the phone and see if like there was five other people talking, because it's called the party line. Back then, our phone company in Red Hook had the patch cords where you had to notify the operator you want to make a call. So yeah, the technology back then was was nothing like it is today. And no, we never heard of really anything of any other reports, and we probably wouldn't have now now. I will tell you back in Red Hook, back in the day, there was UFO reports back then, though, we did hear about UFOs because there there was what they call a UFO flat along the Taconic State Parkway which was right near where we lived also, and there was a big UFO flat back then, and we had UFO investigators coming in I think as a little later, probably closer to the eighties than in the seventies. But there was reports of UFOs back then that we were aware, but never a big foot.

46:32 That's that's very very interesting and really not surprising that there would be a connection to some other paranormal thing like UFOs did. After you had this experience, did anything else weird seemed to follow you in your life or was this the main weird thing that has happened so far? No, oh, you mean regarding anything paranormal or just bigfoot related. I didn't have a paranormal thing happened to me, But like in two thousand and four or five, I think two thousand and five, I had a paranormal thing happened to me, but that was in a house and that was totally different. But this thing that I think I had a Bigfoot encounter with was pretty much the only thing regarding like the woods and being out there in the woods having an encounter. And like I said, this was something that happened in the I think nineteen seventy six, but since then really nothing, I've never had anything.

47:42 Else happened, gotcha. It's just something i'd check. Sometimes individuals that have had encounters of some kind with Bigfoot, they will later on in life have other things happen, whether it's you know, as you said, sometimes more paranormal, but there seems to be some connection between the two. So you're saying it is more of like a haunted house type thing. Well, I'll just it happened. I'll just tell you real quick. I'm not embarrassed about it. But we were my wife and I were together. We were we were actually living with my mother at the time.

48:23 We started a. Business together and we moved to a new location in the country from from upstate New York, and my mom wanted us to come live with her, and she had a big house, so she said hey, come on down live here. Started. I have multiple companies at the time, she said, start a company down here, live with me for you know, a year or so to you get the business going. And then when you guys get the business going, you can go ahead and buy your own house to where we are now. Actually so so we moved in with my mom just to get a company started here, which we still have to this day. That's fun. Some years ago and we were living we were living in one of her bedrooms in her house, and I worked every night till eleven or twelve o'clock starting this company.

49:13 And that's you know, seven days a week, working as much as I could. And I got home from work one night at eleven pm and my wife was in the bed sleeping in the room we had at the time, and I took a shower, got home from work, took a shower, and I go to get into bed and she's dead asleep. And as I'm ready to lay into bed, this this big, loud voice comes over in the room. And the voice said two words. It said out you and it was a deep It was a deep voice from a man, and it said out O U T And it said you yow you. And I heard it clear as day. It just like yelled it in the room.

49:55 My wife was sleeping, and you know, I said, hey, I said, did you just hear that? And she was all groggy, have asleep and she says, yeah, I heard it. She goes who was it? And I'm sitting there. I go, well, that's the problem. I don't know who it was. And she said, well, well, you know, who are you talking to? And I said, I'm not talking on nobody. It was a voice in the room. And then I got thinking it was really weird to hear two words out you. So I asked her, I go, let me ask you a question. I go, you heard it? And she goes, yeah, who was it? And I said I don't know who was And I said what did you hear? You know? And you know, this is kind of funny, it's going to make people laugh. But she said it sounded like somebody said f you. And I said, no, it was not f you.

50:45 It was out you. And she goes, well, who said that? And I said, I don't know, said they come over the room. It's like way yeah that And to this day, you know, but that was I that's a sign somebody telling me to go ahead and move out and buy my own house, which we did. I bought, you know, we were looking for a house. Like the next day we found a house. We bought the house, and we moved out. But today I can't, you know, we'd make a joke about now. But it was clearly out you. It was not f you, it was out you. It was out I heard it as clear as day. And like I said, she was sleeping and thought it was few, and I said, no, it wasn't that few. It was out you.

51:25 That's wild. Oh my goodness. You definitely do hear weird stuff like that every once in a while, that's yeah. And I can I cannot explain that. You know, there's two things in my life I had no explanation for. And one was the encounter I described the day. Uh, Like I said, that was something heavy. It was bipedal, it was athletic to scale up and down the embankment, and it could see in the dark. I am, I'll swear on a stack of Bibles that that is the truth on that. I cannot explain how something walked up to that tent in the middle of the night, in the pitch dark like that and then walked away. And I cannot explain how somebody told me out you in my bedroom one night and it was only two words, and it was out and it was you, and it was very loud, and it was.

52:11 Clear as a day. I could play it back in my head like it happened yesterday, and that was probably two thousand and three or four. And believe me, I woke up the next morning told my mom, thanks for everything. It's time for me to get out. Then I'm buying the house and we did. That's funny, Well, Scott, it's such a such an interesting account about another occurrence in the Hudson Valley. I just want to say thank you for coming on and for sharing what you experienced back on that day in nineteen seventy six. It is very, very interesting. It'd be interesting if other people have experienced things in the Red Hook area, and if they have, they can feel free to reach out to me. They can email big Foot Society at gmail dot com and I'd love to talk to them.

53:03 So absolutely, we thank you guys for all you do with the podcast and getting people to call in. Hopefully maybe some people hear the story of mine. I'm sixty two, and and you know, maybe there was other people such as myself that might come forward and tell, tell and encounter such as this. And I mean, we're looking at almost fifty years ago, and here I am, for the first time, you know, coming out with this only because of all the events I described, All these pieces just started coming together, and I thought myself, there's there's just so many coincidences here. Maybe maybe I do have something here I can share.

53:46 So I did it. My name is Jody. I'm from the Lee Chick band About your Boy. I grew up on the reserve. My ASI right now is fifty seven. It wasn't until the time my dad passed away at the age of fifty that I've first seen bigfoot. I've heard many encounters from my family, my Nokomis which means grandma, and Ojibwei, my husband. We're still great friends today, but him and I when we used to do maple sugar camps out in the woods, we've seen tracks when he used to go deer hunting.

54:28 We've seen many tracks that we've taken pictures of and recorded. And we've also heard Giji sabe, which means bigfoot in Ojibwei. I not only seen him once, but I've seen him twice my brothers. I have six brothers. One has passed since but from COVID. But we have experienced sounds, tracks, visions of Gichi Sabe Bigfoot. Nobody will for believe our stories, and either did I when my father and my nokomis and my mother and my brothers were telling me their stories of sightings. But it's till the day you see Gigi Sabe for yourself is the day that belief sets in.

55:23 I'm a Christian. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ died in the cross for our sins. Do I see Jesus No, but I feel him within my heart's soul in my mind. But Gichi Sabe, I just thought. All my friends and family growing up on the Leetech Indian Reservation were just full of it. Heard many stories, seen many tracks, and I've smelled him and heard him. But it wasn't till the day I seen him, not once but twice that I used to live next year to my next door to my parents, that I drove over there.

56:05 I was so scared to leave my house. It was the second time that I ran for my house, jumped in my car and drove to my mom's about twenty yards away. I said, Mom, I just seen bigfoot. I just seen bigfoot. She goes, oh my goodness, let me hurry up and just mix this cake and put it in the oven. It was winter time, so she started clearing her truck off and getting the car to start, and I was just sitting inside the house. I'm like, mom, getting the house, getting the house. He's right over there by my house. And she and I waited for about fifteen minutes till all the snow kind of melted off of what she brushed off. Because I wasn't going outside and I usually do everything for my parents. We drove over there and she was praying in Ojibwe and told Chi Sabe to not show itself to me anymore for your scare. And my daughter, my mom took her a little flashlight and she ran around my camper, and she's seen the tracks. If she would have never ever ever seen those tracks, I don't think any of my siblings or my grown children would have believed me. Am I glad my mom's seen the track. She's always told me as an elder. An Ojiboe elder never tell people that you've seen Bigfoot, but now I am getting a voice seven years later, going on eight. He is real or

57:38 it is real, And I believe they go through portal dimensions, and I believe they can become like a cloak. They like you can't see them, and I do believe that they choose to let you see them. There's so many things in the Ojibwei culture that I believe today that Getty Sabe is real. If you'd like to share a voicemail to be potentially featured on the show as well, head over to Bigfoot Society Podcast dot com and hit the Share your Encounter button. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

58:21 Scott's account reminds us that sometimes the most wild thing in the woods isn't teeth or claws, it's the deafening silence that comes right before reality changes. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube smash the bell icon so you don't miss an upload, and share this episode with a friend who loves Bigfoot, dirt bikes, or a late night scare. Listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify make sure you tap the follow button and drop a five star positive review. Those really help the algorithm bring more new listeners to the show. You've had your own encounter, especially anywhere in the Hudson Valley or the Catskill, New York, email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

59:04 I'd love to hear your story, and don't forget Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up soon July eleventh through the twelfth and beautiful Oakridge, Oregon. I'll be there in person at my booth waiting to listen to anyone who is wanting to share their Bigfoot account to me face to face. Make sure you use code BFS for a two day admission pass for the price of a one day admission. Get your tickets now at www dot Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and hang out with us until next time. Never stop wondering what else might be out there, and I'll see you in the woods.