Bluff Charged by Bigfoot in Area X!

0:00 Welcome to Bigfoot Society. In this episode, we talked to Monica Rollins about her twenty two years of bigfoot research and the many other things she's experienced along the way. If you've experienced something similar, have more information regarding bigfoots or other cryptids in the same areas, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. And if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Also make sure you check out Patreon dot com for last the Bigfoot Society, where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. And now let's get on with the show, all right, big So Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Monica Rollins tonight. She's a researcher from down in Texas. Got some really interesting things that have happened over the years. But Monica, how's it going. It's going great. Thanks for having me on.

0:48 Absolutely, I've been wanting to chat with you for a while because your name does come up in some interesting things over the years chat about that, but it finally was able to work out. I've got I got to ask you right off the bat. So we were talking before the show. You have about twenty years a Bigfoot research in your past, right, I do, right around twenty two years. Wow. Yeah, How did you first get involved with all of that? What was your gateway into the whole Bigfoot thing? Well, I grew up in northern California, and I would summer in kind of a remote ish area of southwest Oregon, and I was fortunate enough to have a grandfather who really loved legends. He loved everything unusual and peculiar, and he really encouraged me when I started showing interest in folklore and legends and of course Bigfoot where we grew up and where we were staying, and I think that he was a believer, or at least leaned more towards that believer aspect of it. And he never discouraged us from my brother and I from looking into it. If we told him we saw or heard something, he believed us and he would bring me books or help me find things in the libraries. Because I'm from back in the day when there was no

2:21 internet and you had to go into a library and pick up a book, and your research is limited in the stories that you could absorbed or limited to whatever the local library had to offer you. So that really is the foundation I feel of my interest in a bigfoot. And then, of course spending the summers like I did in Southwest Oregon, I did have some interesting things happened to me that I blew off at the time, but having been in the research for so long, I really strongly feel that there was likely a bigfoot in the vicinity more than once over the years. Now, I mean we're talking years and years, so I would say maybe two and two two encounter specifically, or two incidents, three incidents come to mind over the course of those years that I'm early thinking that I really feel like that was a bigfoot. So that's what got me into it. And then I moved to East Texas and one night I was watching the Legend of Boggy Creek like one does, and I realized that falc is not that far from me. So I researched Bigfoot in Texas, and I was surprised to learn back then that there's a lot of sightings. I mean, you hear about Falcon. In my mind, it was an isolated incident, but in researching, because the Internet at this point was still fairly on finding out that there are just so many reports and sightings, and there were groups of people that were coming together

3:53 and researching this, and I thought, well, heck, I'm going to join one of those groups. So I applied to the TBRC, and that's where my journey began. Before we get into the Texas stuff, my mind is really on Southwest Oregon right now, actually, because I'm headed out there in July to well, I don't know if this is considered southwest, but to Oakridge, Yeah, outside of Eugene. So I'm headed out there for a festival, Sasquatch Summerfest, and hopefully talk to some people. But it was that around the same area, or it's a little bit south of there. It's May Oh gosh, I want to say, it's like maybe an hour and a half south of there. It's where I was west of Roseberg, the mountains out there between Roseburg and the coast. That's awesome. Are you able to share the things that happened out there that you found weird or yeah? Absolutely. The first thing that I remember happening, I think I was this is at my youngest age, and I can't even I'm not going to pretend to know what age I was. I know I was young.

5:02 We were at a neighbor's property and we were in the literal back forty of this property, and they had cut down some trees. We were playing on this log pile, right like kids do. We were climbing up to the top and rolling down. It's so funny. And we were right on the edge of a tree line. And I remember that I had crawled up to the top of this woodpile, and I had injured my foot earlier. But you know, as kids do, you're like whatever, it's scratch. Back in the eighties, nobody really cared if they got hurt. They kept playing, and your parents didn't care until the ten o'clock news came on and asked if they knew where you were. But anyway, I was at the top of this log pile and we were all giggling and laughing, and there were probably five of us there altogether, and I could hear something coming towards us in the tree line. And these were pretty dense trees that were near us, right, so you can't you can see in there, but you know, I remember it was overcast, so it was a little darker in the tree line, and I could hear something coming towards us, and then we heard something growling, and then the trees started shaking, and I remember all the kids screaming. They were screaming bear. They were taking off across the field, and of course I'm at the top of the woodstack and I'm trying to get down without breaking my leg, and I already have an injured foot,

6:32 so I can't run as fast as everybody else. And they were at the farmhouse by the time I hit the first barbed wire fence, and I just remember thinking, oh my goodness. And I was, you know, running as fast as I could, just convinced I'm going to get pounced on by something, you know, not wanting to get tangled up in the barbed wire, trying to get through the fence and you know, across the next field to get to the house. And I didn't see anything, and all of them were convinced it was bears. Anytime we had something happened to us, it was immediate bear for my cousins or our friends that were around us. But looking back on that, bears don't shake trees. I just that sticks in my memory because I heard it coming I heard it growling, and the trees were shaken, and it wasn't like a soft back and forth, like a bear scratching its back. This was a violent shake of the trees.

7:32 So that's the first incident chronologically that I can remember. There was another one a few years later. We were coming back to my uncle's house. Now, the way the properties were situated we're on, we called it the highway, but it's really just a paved two lane road in a sea of dirt roads. So we called it. The highway runs east and west, and where my cousin's house is situated, they're just slightly below the highway. There's a field, and then there's a creek, and then another field, and then the mountain starts to jump up. And my grandfather had purchased the property directly across the creek from my uncle, and they had built this little metal bridge so that we could get back and forth with the vehicles. So the road that the bridge was on was elevated, i'd say three feet elevated, and then it would slope down to the forest floor and again heavily wooded obviously, were leading up into a mountain, and all the kids were coming from across the creek, you know, almost to the bridge, coming back towards my uncle's property, and we were all again just talking and laughing and joking around dark night. It's a dirt road and it's a hollow basically because there's trees overgrown on it. And we are all to the bridge and there is a growl we hear and it's now we're walking down this road. We're

9:09 maybe ten years old, and it's ear level with us. It's not like I heard something low to the ground three feet down. This is ear level with us, and it's growling, and we all stop, and then it comes again, louder, again, ear level with us, and again my cousins take off running, screaming, and it's a bear. It's a bear. But we're let's say, five feet tall, all right, and the forest floor is three feet down and this is ear level with me. That's not a bear. I mean, I guess it could be if it was standing on its hind legs. But I mean, we didn't hear anything approaching us. We didn't hear any popping. I've been in the woods, you know, up around scook them, and I've sat on the back of a truck, and I listened as a bear came to me and he was aggravated.

10:03 It was pitch black. I can hear him coming. I can hear him. You can hear the huffing. You can hear that they pop their jaws when they're annoyed. I could hear the jaw pop, and I'm listening to it get progressively closer to me. So hearing that and then thinking back to my childhood, there was nothing. I think we just came up on it or it hurt us as children talking and playing, and it was curious and came up and for whatever reason growled at us and my cousins take off. My brother and I not as athletic as my cousin, so we were bringing up the rear. My poor little brother couldn't keep up. But again, scared to death, something's going to be scrambling up on the road and chasing us across the bridge. Obviously it didn't, but that was the next thing that stands in my mind, and the third encounter that I can think of. I want to say I was maybe fifteen at the time, and my cousin and I used to go up on the road we called the highway and exactly a mile down the road was a little bridge, culvert really, and we called it the bridge, and we'd run there and back just because we knew it was a mile there and a mile back, and we could keep track of how far we were running. Well, we had run down come back. We were maybe three quarters of the way back, and we're we had to stop. I had to stop. I can't run like my cousin could, and I'm winded. So she's walking with me and we're talking, and the mountains on the left of us is coming down to the road

11:35 side. There's a little bit of a clearing, but you know, the tree line comes pretty close to the road. And something I notice is stalking us right, or at least it's keeping pace with us, just inside the tree line, far enough away where you can hear it, but not close enough to see it. And I notice it, and I mentioned it to my cousin and we stop, and it stop, and you I'll take a step and stop and we start walking again, and it starts walking again. And I don't know if my cousin heard something that I didn't hear, but she, in typical fashion, takes off leaves me there. I'm already winded me. I got nothing in me to run very far, and she screams, abear shoots off, leaves me behind to be murdered, and I run as far as I can, and then I'm like, if it's my time, it's my time. I got nothing. But this thing kept up with me the whole time, which is interesting, never shared itself. Al we stayed in the tree line, but when I would stop, it would take a step and stop with me. I'd start going. A beat later it would start going. I made it home. My uncle was freaking out, thinking, of course, I'm old on the side of the road because it's daughter's screaming bear. Thinking back on that, I can't say definitively that was a bigfoot. But this is all bigfoot behavior right classic in my opinion, after doing all of this research, I really feel strongly that certainly it could have been a bear, but you know, equally, it could have been a big foot in my opinion, And there are reports coming out of this

13:07 county. It's in Douglas County, and there are reports out there. And the last encounter that I had there, I was sixteen. I want to say I was out by myself in the front. Oh no, I take that back. That was my second encounter. This is all the same encounter, just a few days apart. So the initial one my younger cousins and I. My cousin who was my age had gone somewhere for the summer, so it was just me and my younger cousins, and we were up pretty late, I'd say it was maybe one in the morning ish, and we decided to go outside and just play, like goof around. It was a full moon, we could see really well, and we come busting out of that front door. And I remember this so clearly because my youngest cousin was ahead of me and she was maybe twelve at the time, and she's halfway down these wooden planks that they had leading up to their front door. She's halfway down the wooden planks. My other cousin is behind me. I got one step down off the porch and from the creek right because there was a dairy farm next door, and then there was a like a cow horse pasture that my uncle owned, and then a barbed wire for electric fence, and then his front yard and the porch they were on, so off to the left towards definitely in the creek, but closer to the dairy farm comes this howl that I have never heard before in my life. My cousins had never heard it before. They didn't know what it was because I looked at them.

14:41 The hair on the back of my neck first time in my life, it just stands straight up and it at first I thought it was a cow, which is unusual to hear a cow just baying at N't I right? And it started off like a more and then it went into this full howl that lasted so long, and again my youngest cousin froze. The cousin behind me froze, and I'm looking at them and they're like, we don't know what that is, and the hair on my neck is standing up. I'm terrified. I'm like everybody back in the hat, back in the house. And I remember that night I was sleeping in one of the bedrooms. They didn't have curtains. They had this giant picture window in the bedroom, and I was afraid to go to sleep because I'm like, whatever that was down in that creek that had some lungs, that thing was big, and if it wants to get us, that window and stopping anything. So I remember being very afraid to go back to sleep that night, and a couple of nights later is when I was outside by myself. It was dusk. The sun had just gone behind the mountain range, so it's still pretty light out but the sun's not visible. And the neighbor's next door were having a pool party, because I remember hearing laughing and splashing and all this stuff, and they're across a field, but they were being pretty loud. And I hear that same howl but farther down the creek, but in the same direction it came from before, but farther away. It was more faint, but I could hear it, and I just remember standing up and I walked to the

16:15 dirt road that went down across the bridge in the hollow that my grandfather owned it, and it was pitch black down there at this time, like you couldn't see anything, and I just remember thinking, there is no way this is terrified. Yeah, I was scared. I mean, I wasn't as scared as I was that first time hearing it, but I definitely remember thinking I didn't imagine that that is that same sound. It's farther away now. I was thankful for that. But you know, those are the incidents that stand out in my mind. That's some wild stuff. I bet there was a time when you were getting into research and then you remember those stories and you're like, oh my goodness, you're probably a little close. Did you ever ask your grandfather if he ever experienced anything weird in the area as well, or did that ever come up? It didn't come up. I wish I had. I really do wish that I had, because he's been gone for a while now. But he was just so encouraging and being young, and I wasn't really researching anything. I didn't even want me to ask him.

17:18 That moved out to East Texas and then you got involved with really the organization that would become ANYWAC. Correct, you must have met someone or had some connection that led you into that group. How was that? I mean, this was back in two thousand and two, right, so they're still fairly young. I want to say. They'd only been an organization for a few years at that point, and it was the TBRC at that time. And I again, I was watching foul in the Legend of Boggie Creek one night and I realized heck falk, I mean, it's just a few hours away. That's nothing. I wonder if there's anything this far south. And that's what led me to the search that brought up all the different sidings.

18:06 I remember seeing the BFRO, I mean, and all of this was new to me. I had no idea that there were bigfoot organizations anywhere at this time, and that was very exciting to find out, and especially to find out that there were quite a few in Texas. And I reached out to the Gulf Coast Organization, and I reached out to the TBRC, and the TBRC Craig wool Heater reached out to me first, So that's all it is. They responded to me first, and he invited me to their next meeting, which was up in Dallas, which was quite a drive for me.

18:47 Actually, I think it was out in Weatherford and oh no, I take that back, it was East Texas, but it's still I mean, it was a few hours drive for me, and I show up and they're having their little meeting in a bank quit room of a stake place, and I'm a new face. Nobody knows who I am wandering and there I brought my brother with me because I was thinking, I mean, if these people turn out to be really weird, were leaving, and so Craig came up to me and asked who I was, and he was like, oh, okay, well we'd love to have you join, and this and that, and it just blossomed from there and I became a director within the group. First day, I think we were called the Inner Circle, and then when we ended up forming the five oh one C three, it became a board of directors and I was on that. I want to say I was on those until I think I left in twenty ten is when I stopped participating with the TBRC. You have been up in Area X correct, Yes, yes, the older the original Area X in southeast Oklahoma. Is there anything that you've remember from being able to go to that location that sticks out, anything out of the ordinary that happened or anything weird. I mean, it was pretty routine most of the time. You get a wood knock here, you get a call there. My experience was not terribly consistent. We would put gang

20:18 cameras out, tons of bear we could. I mean I joked that we were the Texas Bear Research Association At one point because we had I mean, I could tell you every bear within a five mile radius at that place at one point. But what turned around and the one time that we had just an insane amount of activity was when we were filming a sizzle reel for a potential show. Right. We were constantly getting hit up by production companies wanting to make this or that, and they actually sent a crew out to do a sizzle reel with five of us and on this weekend, and we just had so many crazy things happen, so many crazy things that I don't The only thing that was different was the camera crew. And the camera crew consisted of two or three women, and typically I'm the only woman out there.

21:15 If so, if there's any woman presence, it's more than likely me, it might be somebody's wife for a day or two. But you know, up to that point, I would have been on most runs up there the only female, and this time we had a few other women out there, and I don't know if that had something to do with it. That's the only thing I could think that was different. And on this occasion, I had, I mean, my husband and I so the way Area X. Are you familiar with Area X? How it's situated. Have you talked to anybody about that. No, I mean, I know it's in southeast Oklahoma.

21:57 I haven't been there. So the original area X is a homestead that has been passed down through this family for generations and it is surrounded by BLM and I want to say wildlife management area. So it's not something that can be developed. It's not something that people can just go by, right, And it takes a good hour at least via goat path to get to the property off of the main road. So I mean, you are pretty remote down in there. And because this was an old homestead, there are or were three cabins situated on it. There was a main cabin that we would stay at, and then there would be another cabin and a third one closer to the mountain. But we really didn't at this point in time, we really didn't do much. The one that was closer to the mountains stayed away from that one. So it was just the larger main cabin than a smaller secondary cabin, and it was connected by little footpath through the woods, and they weren't terribly far apart, but they were far enough apart, and the smaller of the cabins was bordered by a creek and it had a bear fence around it, and that's important to the story. So the first night, and to be honest with you, I can't remember if the you know what happened which night. There were two nights. I want to say we were out there the first night. I believe my husband and I were on that

23:30 second cabin that's surrounded by the bear fence. We were sitting there in the dark, and we can hear something, just low growling. But when we turn our because we were sitting in the dark listening, we turn our lights on and there was nothing, I mean, there was nothing around us. And I kept hearing it. It sounded almost like a plane, that low rumble of a plane flying overhead. There was no plane because it would stop and then pick up again. And I was thinking, Man, is that a cougar. Maybe it's a cougar, I don't know, But anytime we'd turn a light on, he or were looking up in the trees. We're looking all around. I didn't see anything, which was peculiar for sure.

24:11 But the thing that really freaked me out while we were there happened let's say the second night, and we were filming with the crew, so we knew where the camera crew was. We had one guy stationed up higher on the mountain. We had one guy further down the creek with his dog, and that was I mean, that dog was the best dog. He was so obedient to his guy, and he would never leave his master dog. He would not leave our man. He was always right there. The best dog I've ever met in my life. But they were farther down the creek and the rest of us were the main cabin. And we get a call on the radio from our guy up on top of the mountain saying, hey, I hear something down in the creek below me, which is where that secondary cabin is. It's the creek that runs alongside of it. And we call out to the guy further down and he's like, I don't hear anything.

25:06 So Brian and I and he's talked about this on his podcast, so I feel comfortable saying his name, Brian Brown, and he and I grab flashlights and we're heading out there. And it's interesting because when I'm out there, I never really particularly felt the need to be armed. Right. I would carry a knife, but I wouldn't carry a gun. On me, and Darryl really insisted that I take his gun, right, So, okay, I'll take your gun. He puts it on me. He puts it on me cross straw, and I'm drawing. I draw like this. I'm not used to cross straw. So he has it on my hip as a crosstraw.

25:47 That's important later. So I'm like, yeah, I put the gun on. So Brian and I head over to the cabin. We're talking. We're using white lights, we're not trying to be subtle. We're in our thing. And we get down along the backside of the fence and we get to the creek and we're looking up and down the creek and there's nothing. We sit there for a minute, don't say anything. Nothing. We're not hearing anything. And I'm like, whatever he heard, I think it's gone. I don't know, because we've I just I don't see anything. I'm not hearing anything. Brian agrees. So we turn around and we're walking back the way we came and we're about halfway down the fence line and mind you, the mountain just like there's maybe ten feet and then the mountain starts just jutting up behind this cabin. So we're in that little clear area and we're hugging the fence line pretty close again, using white light, talking like I'm talking now, we're not being quiet, and I hear something and Brian hears it. There's something about halfway up the mountain starts walking and so I shine my light up there and it's the middle of summer. It's a green wall, and I was like, I hear something up there. You hear that?

27:00 And the next thing I know, this thing is just bee lining it towards us down this mountain being loud. You can see the foliage shaken, and I'm like, oh, because I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it's a bear. Bear is a theme here, and I'm trying to get inside the bear fence. Right, we're let's hustle. So Brian and I are. We're walking and we turn the corner and this is so funny. I'm like, go, well, I turn around to start walking backwards because I don't like, I don't want to turn my back to whatever this is running at me down the mountain and he breezes, he's running, he breezes past me, and I'm thinking, dude, like he just triggered the predators pots.

27:45 Thanks, and so this thing is not slowing down. It's coming right at us. I'm freaking out. Brian's trying to open the gate to get in the fence. I'm walking backwards at this point. I'm not very close to the opening, and I'm trying to pull the gun with my right hand because I forgot it's crossdraw. Because I'm panicking, and I just remember being so freaked out. I ripped the holester off the belt because it was a bell crow to one. I ripped it off the belt, pulled the gun through the holester, and I'm backing up like with the gun pointed at where this thing's coming down the mountain, thinking, oh my gosh, I'm not shooting into the dark. Once it clears that tree line, I'm firing, and goodness, I hope I slow it down enough to get in that face because I don't think I'm going to draw. I'm thinking it's a bear.

28:33 I'm not going to drop a bear with a handgun unless I'm really lucky with the where the bullets are striking, and I'm scared. I don't want to have to shoot. They don't know what's Nobody around me knows what's going on. So all they're going to hear was gunfire in the dark, and they're going to freak out. And I don't want to shoot anything either. I just don't. I don't want to shoot anything. So I'm backing up with the gun and this thing comes down, stops just inside the tree line where you cannot see anything, and it stands there and then it paces back and forth for a minute or two, doesn't ever break the tree line, because again, I'm not shooting into the dark. I'm not shooting unless it breaks the tree line, right, So I still got my gun drawing on it.

29:22 I'm backing up towards the gate entrance to the bear fence around the cabin, and it just starts going back up the mountain, slower, not tearing up the mountain like it came down the mountain. It's casually walking back up the mountain again. You can see the foliads moving, you can see stuff rustling. But I get inside the fence, I'm shaken. Brian's shaken for radioing in to let the guy at the top of the mountain know, Hey, something's coming up towards you. Keep your eyes out. He never saw anything. I don't know that he even heard it coming down towards us, but we had to there's something here. It was very dramatic. It made for great scissor real footage, I'm sure, but we didn't have a cameraman with us. I think what they would have gotten on camera is me radioing in. So I'm just bluff charged us down the mountain. And that was interesting. And again, to be rational, you can always say, sure, it could have been a bear, it could have been a cougar, But why would it not have broken the tree line to come towards me?

30:23 Why would it have stayed in the tree hidden, specifically hidden in that tree line, and then just paced there, hidden and then gone back up? I mean I was out in the open. Sure I had my gun drawn, but I was there. The whole area is wild. I've talked to a few people from I mean the whole area of southeast Oklahoma. But you mentioned bear a few times. Is there something that comes to mind? Like if I was to ask, well, what's to say that it's not just bear in southeast Ocala area? X? Is there anything that you remember that you could be like, it's definitely not all just bear. So there are the calls. We did hear calls. We would hear on occasion one calling from one side of the ridge to the other side of the ridge. You'd hear the whoops and the calls. It's pretty rocky in there along the creeks, so it's not really conducive to casting right to finding prints. I know that later on, after I had left the organization, people had started having sightings up in there. And these are reputable people. I believe them.

31:45 I have no reason not to believe them saying that they saw one going from one tree to the other. And I will say that one time I saw something jump from one tree to the next, but it was so far away. I'm terrible with size. I couldn't tell you if it was a squirrel. I mean, I will say it looked like a looked like a monkey, not an ape even necessarily. I mean, it wasn't, in my opinion, particularly large. But I saw something jumping from one tree then the next. But I can't say that it wasn't a squirrel. Something a little more reasonable to the bully up there. I mean, I've had a lot of instances. I mean, I've had a lot of weird things happen.

32:27 I mean, I've seen some crazy things, just never seen a bigfoot. Yeah, And I don't want to get rabbit trailed or anything, but you know, so I'll just say if listeners want to, you can read Value of the Apes by Michael Mays, and I've talked to him before, and there's some like fantastic stuff in that book. But it's like it almost feels like there's other stuff that happens in that area and they don't really talk about, like like there's other stuff going on besides just bigfoot stuff. I don't know, maybe I'm just reading. I solidly believe that there are other cryptids out there, oh really, not just bigfoot. I mean I do, and a lot of people don't like me for saying it, I mean, especially bigfoot people. I don't understand this, but I do believe that dog men are out there. I believe that that's true. I believe in just other cryptids in general, like pale crawlers, and there are Native American cryptids too, that they're still out there wandering around in the woods. Used to say that it's not one of those. Yeah, there's all kinds of stories of little people. I believe in the little people, there's dear women, there's all kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about the stuff I put on TikTok earlier before the show. Mike Goodness, there's some weird stuff coming people are reporting on, like just like I have like forty

34:00 messages at least to go through, and it's just all the time. People are like, I've seen something crawling around, I saw a dog man. I've seen a little person in the Lake Texoma area, and it's just it's weird stuff. Are you saying that you think there might be like dog man around the southeast Oklahoma area? Oh? Yeah, I really believe it after your percent that there were. That's definitely what I would consider a habitat for dog man. Is that is that from reports you've taken or is it just because you're looking at the habitat and you're like, totally, I'm looking at the habitat Yep, for sure. I mean that's where I'm going to base any research is looking And I mean, is it somewhere that this creature could potentially be hide? Is there food source? Is there water sores? All the normal things that you'd be looking at. And also I mean I just feel really strongly that where there are bigfoot sightings and reports, there typically are also dog man report and I feel that you don't hear as much about the dog man reports, because who's going to believe somebody's saying I saw werewolf in the woods. It's going to believe that. I mean, it's easier to believe that there's a bigfoot rent and right out there, because you have the fossil records to back that up. But there are a lot of people saying they're seeing something that does look like a were wolf, and who am I to say they didn't see it? And if it's far fetched for you to believe, that's fine, that's your problem. But I mean, I've heard enough people tell me about things, I've read enough reports that there's something behind that, and I don't think that it's a I don't think that it's a

35:35 What am I trying to say, A distorted bigfoot? A deformed bigfoot? Yeah right, I don't think that's the case all the time. Yeah, the dog man stuff, I mean, I'm all for it. I really wish it wasn't a thing, because that's that freaks me out way more than bigfoot stuff. For some reason, especially the hyena reports. Have you gotten like seeing hyaena like one that looks like a hyena or hyena face like? Those are even weirder. But so I did so reluctant to say it, but I've been saying it a lot lately. So I did see a dog man and the one that I saw had the hump, had that all man.

36:17 And so I didn't say anything for the longest time because I mean, I have a reputation in this community for being very sane and rational, and I wanted to keep that reputation. That's where it's like, people think you're crazy if you start talking about other stuff like That's so that doesn't matter. I don't understand that because why I mean, it's all I mean when I was heavy into my research, I mean, I called it chasing shadows in the dark, because that's what you're doing. You're chasing set, we're chasing. I could split that word out, chasing shadows in the dark. And at the end of the days to say that an eight foot monkey or ape is any more far fetched than seeing a candid creature at the end, and if it's my experience, and if you don't believe me, that's fine, people don't want to believe me, and I kept quiet for a lot of years. I mean my sighting was in twenty fourteen, and I didn't start openly talking about it until this past year. Oh wow. You know, because when I first reached out to a friend of mine who's a fellow researcher, they told me, oh, you don't know what you saw. You're misidentifying something. And I was like, I know what I'm looking at this.

37:28 It's terrible. That's why I have this podcast so people can feel like they can talk without being told to shut up or be laughed at. You know, I dismissed and that was so just insulting, Like I mean, it was also like, okay, well, I mean somebody who's close to me giving me this person's giving me this reaction. I'm not going to tell everybody that. I mean, I don't want to hear that from the masses, right, So do you mind sure? Like where it is that you you saw it? And yeah, I mean we can talk about that. It's far fetched. I mean, it sounds crazy. I mean to me anyway, it sounds crazy because where I saw it is not a conventional area where you would think you would see one, right, because you're thinking you're going to be in the woods, You're going to be like out in the middle of nowhere. I was in Dallas City limits when I saw it, And now it's not so far fetched because I'm of course, and you have your own encounter, you're looking into other people's in metropolitan areas aren't immune to cryptids. But I had a real hard time with because the scene was big, trying to figure out how this thing is traversing the Metroplex and not being seen, because sure there are creeks, but it's a pretty populated area, and I feel like if this thing was just cruising down one of the main streets, we're going to have a lot more stories out about it. And

39:00 so I'm thinking, are some people more in tune to see weird things like because that's not the only weird thing I've seen. I've seen a lot of weird things. Will I think the answer is yes, yeah, different research. I mean, I've seen Dwinde, I mean what you want to call it, d Winday right, a little person. I've seen ghosts. I've seen I've had a phantom car roll up on me. It's I've had a lot of weird things happened to me, but I never talk about it because anybody that I'm around over the last twenty something years, all they want to talk about is bigfoot, right. So I mean, I'm just now coming out with these encounters and stories that I've had over the years, because when you're out looking for one thing is to say you're not going to see another.

39:45 You're primed up already, right, You're primed up to it for the unexpected, the unusual to be around you, and maybe that opened you up to see other like weird things. But yeah, but anyway, my encounter, my sighting encounter, happened within Dallas city limits. I mean, a real quick overview of it is I was going to pick my daughter up one night between eleven and eleven thirty at night. I was turning off of a pretty major thoroughfare in Dallas into a residential area and it's a fairly affluent area. They have quite large estates here, and it's not very well lit, and a lot of these estates have kind of park like settings. But as I'm turning onto the road, maybe thirty yards in is a single street light and that's the only illumination on the street for a ways, so I turn and I hadn't even really started to accelerate when I see something out of the corner of my eye kind of running low to the ground. I thought it was a dog towards my car, and I don't accelerate because the trajectory this thing's going to cross in front of my car collide with my car. So you know, I'm not trying to hurt anything. So I'm just sitting there and it changes course and starts coming towards my car, and I'm like, what okay, And then I got this. This is what I have the hardest time explaining. I got this feeling wash over me, and it was

41:22 it's hard to explain, like it was coming at me in waves, and it was just and I can only describe it as like evil, just evil. I have never felt anything like that before in all of my years of research and all of my years of sitting in dark woods by myself, walking down roads by myself, like you get spooped every now and then, but I have never had just a wave of maliciousness, just pure evil feeling just hit me, just slam into me and keeps coming almost I mean, like waves crap. Rushing is what it was like. And I'm freaking out because of this sensation, and this thing's coming at me, and I'm turning to look, and as everything's in slow motion, I don't think it's this sighting wasn't very long. I'm turning to look at In my mind, I've got this feeling at me, and in my mind, I'm thinking, oh my god, because as it's getting closer, I'm really starting to see what it is. I'm not looking directly out of it, but as it gets closer, it's instead of running, it starts bounding, like loping, bounding, almost jumping, and when it gets to it jumps, bounds whatever and lands maybe fifteen feet from my passenger's side door, and it lands in a runner stance, like with one hand down, and that's what I call it, like one hand down and one hand up for balance, puts the other hand

42:53 down. I want to say. It started to stand up, but then crouch back down and it down and it's looking in my driver's side door, and it's like following me with its neck just as I'm rolling by. And the whole time, in my mind I'm thinking, oh my but I'm also thinking don't look at don't look right at it, because you can't unsee that, you cannot handle that, you cannot unsee that. You know what that is, you know exactly what that is, and this whole evil feelings washing over me, And so I didn't look it right in the eyes. Because people have asked me what color its eyes were. I don't know, I don't remember. I want to say they were ambery. But what I remember is the muzzle was elongated, but it was bearish. It wasn't long and pointy like a wolf snout, but it was definitely pronounced. It was elongated, and it had the pointy ears, and it had that hyena like hump on the back of its head. And I remember the fine hairs like my hair, like the fine hairs were lit up from the light shining on it.

44:01 And I remember it was a big because it was Christmas time, and there was a long ornament that spelled out Joy and it was like a big metal lawn ornament that it landed fairly close to. And I finally snapped too, because this thing's like it literally like stuck its head out like a person right and was just like following looking at me, following my car and I snapped too, and I'm looked the heck with this, So I slam on the gas and I run every stop sign down that road. I'm afraid to look in my rear view mirror because I'm I don't want to see it chasing me. I don't want to see that. But at the same time, I'm also just convinced that any moment, I'm going to feel it jump onto the back of my car, right, because it's just what I felt like.

44:53 I was terrified, and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, like they're going to find my car abandoned on the side of the brothers, gonna be blood everywhere, Nobody's going to know what happened to me, right, So I got it. I don't stop for anything. I get to the end of the road, which is a little ways down. It dead ends into another street, and then there was the shopping center that my daughter worked out. So I pull in the shopping center. I turn around, so I'm face in the street that I just came from, and I'm waiting to see this. I mean, really, in my mind, I'm convinced the thing's following me, right, And I'm like, man, I don't want to see that again. I mean, I'm terrified that it's going to come out and my daughter's not going to be in the car yet, So that does not happen. She eventually comes out, and in my mind, I'm like, that's the shortest way home. If I go back down that road and it's still there and she sees it too, then it's like a corroborative story, right, somebody else has seen it. But then I'm like, I don't want my daughter to experience I don't want her to be terrified, like I'm terrified because she had walked down that road in the dark after work before, and so I'm like, no, I'm not going back down there.

46:00 I took the long way home, would not go down that road like for the longest time. But I remember getting home that night, and then of course getting out of the I didn't tell my daughter immediately getting out of the car, going in the house, laying in bed, and I remember laying there in bed still like heart pounding, scared, and I'm thinking, can that thing track me? Could? I mean, it was close to me, It was within fifteen feet in my car. It was looking at me through the window. Does it have my scent? Can it track me across town? Like, I don't know what these things can do, Like, am I gonna come home one night and it's gonna pop out of the bushes next to me? And this is running through my mind. And back then, I used to run at night, Like I'd go running through our little neighborhood because it's pretty hilly and it's a good workout and I'd just gotten into the habit. But after this encounter, I tried to do that. But every scrape of leaf blown across a sidewalk, any leaves rustling the bushes, I'm terrified. Like, I'm so scared, I don't want to walk outside of the ring of light of street lights. I mean, I'm terrified.

47:10 And it's fascinating to me because I mean, first of all, I didn't have to sighting anywhere near my I mean it was maybe ten miles twelve miles as a crow flies, I'm totally guessing from where I live, but not unreasonable for something to track you or habitation circumference from where that thing was. But six months later, I went back to Scugum with a big group of friends and we're out there, we're doing our thing of course, in the dark. We're out there at night. I'm out in the tall trees, campfire light. I have no problem walking off in the dark there. I am not scared in those woods, but I am afraid running through my neighborhood at night, which I mean, that was a very interesting thing for me to realize, like, oh, that's I mean all because of where I saw it. Yeah, I mean, that's I can't imagine being in a situation where it's doing the whole like look down through the window, like the t Rex in Jurassic Park, remember, trained its neck out and was like following my cars, and the whole time that sensations was constantly watching at me.

48:21 I appreciate you sharing that, and that would be even harder, I think, not sharing that with anyone for a few years. Yeah, yeah, I mean I told my really good friend here in Dallas and they were like, you don't know what you're looking at. You misidentified it least that's you didn't see that. And then I told my husband and he was like, okay, well that he goes, I'm not calling you a liar, but you understand that's a hard story to swallow, and I'm thinking me, I mean, I'm an honest person, like I'm I have no need to make the story up, Like it doesn't benefit me in any way to make this story up. And I remember I told my very good friend up in Ohio and she, thank God, she was like, Monica, if you said you saw that, then you saw it, I believe you. And her husband was the same way, and he was freaked out. He's like, now I'm freaked out because if you said you saw it, then you saw it, and that means those things are out there. So now I'm a little freaked out because they both do a bit. But research Also, have you ever read this book before, Texas dog Man? You should check it out. Yeah, it's one of my buddies, Aaron D's, and there's a chapter on incident around Dallas in it. But yeah, it's a good read. Definitely check out Texas dog Man Triangle. So let's imagine we were in a big foot museum and there's a few of them, but we're in a random big foot museum and we are walking around looking at the different

49:51 exhibits. Are there any exhibits that you could be like, oh, I'm going to be mentioned in this or I should be mentioned in this one. Let's see. Well, I would say, if there's anything to do with the TV shows the Monster Quest, occasionally they'll have something like that. Because when the first season, I was in the all female team that went out, and I mean that really pushed me forward in the community back in the day, which was interesting. I really feel like the early er days of Bigfoot research, and I'm talking like early early two thousands, like two thousand and two, twenty ten. I mean I was one of the very few females at that time doing research out of Texas really, and I don't want to say across the US, because there were still there were a lot of female researchers. But I would say something maybe like like that. I would expect maybe they might mention me, But I don't have that kind of ego.

51:07 I mean, if I wasn't mentioned for anything, I would hope there's a sweet Monster Quest exibit at a big View museum. I was hoping that would get us too. So Monster Quest Season one, episode five, is that's your episode when you and a few other female researchers went out to a site near Scuokam Meadows. Correct, we went to the site of the actual Scuokam cast. Do you remember anything interesting that happened out of being in that area? You were there for a few days, right, Oh, we were there for like nine days. Wow, we were there for like nine days. And it's so funny because we were there for so long and we got like twenty minutes of film. I got like twenty minutes of airtime for a nine day shoot. So Doug Hichek has some really sweet b roll of all the women wandering around Scuca Metow looking at Elk tracks and Elk trail and Elk beds. It was interesting. I mean I could do a whole episode just on the production of that particular episode. Are part of it anyway, because well, we really didn't have anything crazy happen. In my opinion, I'm very critical with anything that happens. I mean, I've got to I have to rule out the common and if I can't rule it out, then I can't say that it wasn't that. But we did have some women on

52:39 our team that had little frogs jumping on their tent and they were convinced that if someone's throwing a rocks at them and we get up and looking at a frog, and we did no, I take that back, and now I forgot about this thinking back. So while we were filming this, we had all female researchers and we had male production crew, right, and then we ended up that's how I met Brian Brown and Jerry and Adams Climber was this guy's name. So the three of them just happened to be in the area at the time and they ended up coming over and camping down with the male production crew. So we had for this film shoot. We had Rick Noll, who got pretty good friends with and we had some camera guy and we were separated from them. So we were up on a camp we called Hilltop because it was the top of the nearest hill. It was awesome there, I mean, I've got some beautiful shots because you could see Mount Saint Helens very clearly. I mean there had been an avalanche or something that came down that area. Something had like a bad snowstorm. It had sheared off the top of trees that you could see Mount Saint Helens and you could see Mount Adams. So it was awesome camping up there. But the women were separated from the men. Just if anything was going to happen, they felt that it would be more than likely to happen to the women up at the top of the camp. Two the ladies peeled off from our main group and camp

54:14 about halfway down the hill, and the bulk of us were still at the flat top the hilltop. And one night it was me and Kathy Strain and Melissa. We were sitting around the campfire just talking, right. We weren't really filming. The cameramen had to be in bed at nine thirty every night, so we weren't filming a lot at night, and something did. These were not frogs, because I saw the pebble come between Kathy and I. Something was throwing pebbles at us at the camp's site, and I remember I was like, I can't explain that. I can't explain. That's awesome. And there were hunters in the area because the first night or the second night, a group of hunters walked into our camp when we were all in our tents. Because I saw the flashlights and I heard the male voices, and we were lucky. I mean, not that they meant us any harm, but you know, you never know, but we were inside of our tents and they have no idea who's in those tents. They don't know if we've got guns, they don't go on them. So they came into camp.

55:20 They didn't even come all the way into camp. I think when they realized that there were three or four tenths there, they were like they turned around and went back down the way they came. But there there were hunters out there. They're bear grass collectors because there's a lot of bear grass up there, and apparently that's a pretty profitable thing for florists, so people will go collect the beargrass and as it's it's a long, thin, decorative grass which grows actually out there. Cool awesome. Yeah, So did you say Brian So Brian Brown? Was he involved with Monster Quest? No, he just happened to be in the area. And yeah, him and this guy named Jerry and this other guy named John had hooked up through Bigfoot Forms, I guess, and they just happened to be camping that weekend. And he was talking to Kathy about it because I didn't know him at the time, and Kathy was like, Oh, yeah, we're going to be up at Scuogum.

56:13 And the guy that was there, John, he lived down in Stevens, I want to say, and he knew where that site was, so they were camping at one There's a campground very close to the cast site. They were camping over there, so they'd come over and I want to say they moved their camp down with Rick and the camera guy. I could be misremembering that, but they joined us. So they were behind the scenes just hanging out having a good time. And he wasn't officially involved in it, but he was there during the film. That is really cool. That is something I did not know. Very cool stuff there, for sure. So I have a few interesting questions over the years. Did you ever hear accounts that if they had happened to you would probably stopped you from going out into the field to look for Bigfoot. Yes, so there were some reports out of Texas that were pretty scary. And I'd say, really, any report where this creature is straight up right there in front of you, just right there. It's one thing to have this encounter with in a moving car seeing this creature, but I mean, with no barriers, there is a mythical creature staring you down. One of them came out of Marion County that was an aunt of one of our members in the TBRC. And she had come home. She lived in a rural area out like close to Marshall in Jefferson

57:45 out Marion Countyway, and she had come home from a date pretty late. And I can't remember if he dropped her off or she had her own car, but anyway, she had to park outside of a fence, right and there was a gate and a fence, and apparently the gate was tricky to open, and it was a barbed wire fence. We love it in Texas. Anyway, she was coming from the vehicle to the gate to go home and bigfoot like just stepped out of the bushes right next to her, I want to say. And she was so freaked out she couldn't get the gate open. She got tangled up in the barbed wire trying to get away from it into the house. And she had scars on her legs from getting tangled up in the barbed wire. And then another one that was interesting was the We called it the bow Hunter. And he was a guy out in East Texas. And if I tell you which National forest I'll like, because I can't remember if it was Angelina or sam Houston, but it was one of the National forests out there in East Texas and he was up in his stand and he was bow hunting, and this thing walked up out of the woods.

59:00 He's like, of course, freaking out because the thing that's not supposed to exist is looking towards his tearstand. He's frozen. He's got the arrow, and it reaches up and touches the arrow and it pokes it right, it hurts it, and it I want to say it freaked out or it made a noise and then ran off. I can't remember the rest of the story. I just remember that it came up and touched his arrow. And then there was another one where a guy was hunting. He was up in a stand and he's watching these hogs and this bigfoot comes out and I don't remember if it was chasing the hogs or if it ambushed the hog, but anyway, the hogs and the bigfoot collide, and this bigfoot grabs this giant hog by the back legs and just whacks it into the tree and throws it over his shoulder and off. That would freak me out. I think that I would have to give it up if I were witnessing. I know where that hat. Yeah, I know more about that one. That's a very interesting one. We can talk off air about that. That's a wild one.

1:00:19 Do you remember where you trying to remember timelines when the whole siege at ho Nubby thing happened. Were you involved with research at that point. I want to say I was. It's been a minute. I can't remember what year it was. I think that was real early two thousands, maybe like two thousand and one, people can, Okay, So that would have been about the time that I was getting into it here, okay, And I remember all the talk about it and reading the stories. It might have been a little bit later than that, because I remember going up towards Hunubby with a couple of other researchers just around in the mountains. There. There's been a siding up in Oklahoma along the river, and we were going to check out. It turned out to be a hoax, but we were just going up there to check out tracks and whatnot. But Hannaby was the talk of the town, so to speak. At the top. Yeah, I mean, and I've been conference. I've been up there to Hannabby and it is like it's pretty remote. It's out there in the middle of nowhere. I can see where there'd be a whole family of bigfoot living in the mountain ranges out there. Absolutely, did you ever have any connections with the equivalent of a state or government wildlife management officer over the years and talk to them about anything Bigfoot related? So I didn't personally, but somebody else in the tbr

1:01:51 C did. And we have had reports come in from officers. I don't want you, they don't want you to say anything. In East Texas whereas I mean where they were mostly coming out of. I want to say, a game officer was talking to one of our members telling him basically, yeah, they're out there. We get reports. We're not really supposed to be reporting on it, but we get them. And then there was another There was a police officer out near Conroe. I want to say, I can't remember if he was active or retired, but he had one like digging through a I want to say, a burn pile in his backyard. He came out one night and this thing was digging through a burn pile he had out there. Yeah, I remember him saying that he could see it. It was back towards the back of his property. On how large a property was, but it was backaways and he was coming out of his back porch and it was back there doing whatever it was doing. But he was yeah, I can't remember retired or active, but he was a police officer. Is the bigfoot part of your research? Is that kind of in the past or you still involved in day with any bigfoot research? If you hear about it, if I hear about it, I will go check it out. My husband does research. In fact, he was a member of the Nawac up until this year. I want to say, well, and I've got a friend who the same. I mean, I'm still friends with people in Nawac

1:03:22 and one of them lives not far at all, maybe five minutes down the road for me. So if he I mean, he's written a book, so people will contact him. Hey, I saw this. He grew up in this area, so if he years of anything, he'll let us know and we might wander out there and take a look at things. If I get a report directly, I will go investigate it. I'll talk to you on the phone. If I have the opportunity to actually visit you in person, I will. Obviously I'm going to want to go out and check out where this sighting took place. Hopefully it was on your property, and I can, and it was fairly recently. I can get out there and do some casting, or at least take a look around and see what's going on. Over the years, you've had the time to really look into the subject, have you come to a point where you can say, one hundred percent, Okay, Bigfoot is probably this or this so Bigfoot specifically, I would have to go the flesh and blood camp. I know there's a lot of people who don't want to believe that. A lot of people think they're demons or I mean, I used to joke that Bigfoot was the alien's pet.

1:04:39 They just let them off to use the bathroom on a road trip of space, right, But I mean flesh and blood. Like for me, like ninety eight percent going to go with the flesh and blood just I mean, the rational part of my mind has to do that. And I can't say that they don't exist because I saw this other creature and if that, there is absolutely no reason the other thing wouldn't. But I've never witnessed it. Still gotta go, though, like I said, with the nice flesh and blood for sure, checkn't took with the kiss. Maybe I don't know. I don't know, but flesh and blood ninety eight percent sure. So yeah, the way I look at it is pretty similar is flesh and blood.

1:05:23 But I think like some animals that can do really weird stuff that how do you explain, like a kidnap being able to sense electrical stuff through us sensor in the top front of his face. Like, there's some really weird things that animals can do. So I think if it's flesh and blood, it can do some weird stuff. I believe that. I mean, now teleporting, haunting, like inhabiting trees through portals, controlling orders. No, that's it's hard for me to swallow. I'm very reluctant at this stage to say I don't believe you Like, if somebody gives me a report, I'm very reluctant to say I don't believe you. Know, it might be more difficult for me to swallow some stories. I mean, you've got to look at the whole subject. Are they have a history of making things up? Do they have a Not that I know anybody's medical history, but are they perhaps a little unhinged? You know, there's a lot of things you need to look at in anybody who's giving you a report. But again, I didn't have that encounter. That wasn't my encounter. It's not for me to say whether or not you're telling the truth. I mean, I just want to hear what you have to say, and that gives you an outlet because I know how important it is when you have something strange happen to you have the ability to just get that off your chest. It's very therapeutic to talk through things that don't make sense to you. Absolutely. Yeah, even though I

1:06:55 have that personal belief myself, like I'll talk to anyone. I think we can learn some than from all different sides. And a lot of it is just there's a lot of people I've talked to where at the end they'll be like, haven't slept in like twenty years. I think I can actually sleep now. So that is a lot of it for me. Yeah, it really is, oh exactly. Earlier about we talked about dog Man for a little bit, you'd mentioned pale crawlers too, which is really interesting. So have you gotten reports about those or or how do those work into your research.

1:07:40 I have not gotten any reports of them, and that's something that's fairly new to me. I mean, I'd say within the last year or so is when I've started, like, the reports in my purview have started amping up, right, my p and I don't know what those are. I mean, honestly, I don't know what those are. And there are so many curious things out there that people are starting to report that I don't wonder. There's this thing in folklore, and God bless me, I cannot remember what it's called. It's got a name, but it's basically when the masses believe enough in something, it becomes material. It's probably a tulpa tull Yeah, I think it's a tulpa, yeah, yeah, which is a scary concept. Yeah. So, I mean dogmen, we see were wolves, right, we hear were wolf stories, and I mean there have been reports of were wolves in the woods for a long time, but in recent years they've amped up. So I don't wonder if it's something similar to that, these pale crawlers. What is that. I don't know. Somebody starts talking about it. Maybe it wasn't something at one point, but enough people believe in it that it starts me manifesting exactly. We were talking off air where we're talking about the TikTok stuff. So I haven't really talked about the TikTok stuff on the podcast at all. So I have like this big for society

1:09:13 TikTok and like some of it gets really big, and there's a lot of people that just send me direct reports on that platform. And Texas and Oklahoma has a lot of really weird stuff going on, especially the Lake Texoma area, which is half Texas half Oklahoma, and there's just a ton of sightings of that creature that are seen around in towns around that lake, even you know, even by people. There was a gentleman who contacted me who was working the train and he saw one from the train. It's just very weird.

1:09:55 It's been labeled. I guess I labeled it the Lake Texoma creature, waiting here for it to show up in some discovery or history show. Well, you're another report. Let me know, because Texoma is not far from me and I know now I know, And yeah, it was a recent enough sighting, I'm going to want to go check the area out. Yeah. Yeah, And you were talking about the train, the conductor seeing something I always wonder like they go through some pretty remote parts of the United States, surely there's a lot of things that they don't want to talk about because I don't want to sound crazy, but they've got to have they've got to have stories. Absolutely. So yeah, train conductors. I know you guys are listening to this podcast like crazy when you're talking the train, So reach out to me. Yeah, the Pacific Northwest. I really want to reach out to him because he's interested in like the bigfoot stuff. I really I think I will. I want to reach out to him and be like, you've been a conductor for your whole life, Like, have you seen anything a guy who's conductor from the Pacific Northwest that's awesome. I mean I don't know him personally, yeah, I mean we're like Facebook friends. Uh yeah, I mean it's interesting to me and he's into the stuff. So I mean again, I just like, hey, you got anything you want to share, I'd love to hear it. You had mentioned that you saw the Little People or d one day, right, I saw one in East Texas.

1:11:28 I mean East Texas is chok full of some it really is some weirdness. And this one that's a Corps of Engineers park that I used to take a lot of people to and that is where I've had a lot of strange things happen, and that's where I saw it. One night. I was was pretty late at night, and I was coming back from research with a group of women, and I was in the back seat of my friend's truck and she had an extended it. It was an awesome truck. I was in the back seat, she was in the front seat with another researcher and they were having a conversation. It's about like one two in the morning.

1:12:11 It was pretty late, and we were driving towards our campsite, which was in the very very back like very It was separated out from the main camp areas, which is why I liked it. And it's surrounded by water on three sides. There's only one way in and out of this. And we were on our way back there and I'm just looking out the window. They're talking and there's a little bit of cut grass within the trees, and this thing like eighteen to twenty four inches tall was just walking very close to the grass, just walking along. And I happened to see it only because we were coming through a lamp, a light, and it was within the lighted area, and I noticed movement. I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to see a raccoon or armadillo or it's pretty common out there. And there's this little thing like shelf dwarf. I don't know. It was dressed in like natural like brown colors, I want to say red and brown. I mean it was very muted natural colors. I know it had a hat on.

1:13:16 It had like a very unfriendly looking face. I can tell you that. I remember it had a larger nose. It reminded me of one of the puppets from Labyrinth. Oh yeah, totally, yeah, just but very not friendly looking at all. And if he was just walking along, didn't even look at us, didn't notice us, which I'm glad for because you don't want those things recognizing that you're recognizing them. And you didn't look over and didn't do anything, just kept walking and I'm looking, and then I look at the women and I'm like, do you see this? And I'm looking, I'm like, look, do you see this? And they just stopped and looked at it, looked at me, and they're like they didn't see anything. And at this point, because we're driving, we've already passed it, I'm like, did you see that back there, and they were like, oh, we're almost Theremonica, and just don't be mirrored. And I remember getting back to camp. I don't even know that they like, they just said, we didn't see anything and just ignore it. We got back to camp and I was sleeping in the back of my SUV for this particular trip because it was only a couple of nights, and I remember crawling into the back of the suv and I was like, please Lord, let me go to sleep immediately, because I don't want to roll over in this thing's ugly little faces in my window looking at me. Thank yeah. And I was thinking, God, I hope I don't have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night because I'm not getting out of this car.

1:14:53 It freaked me out because I mean, it was a duinde. I mean it was a little it was one of the little people right Folkloret. And I'm thinking, I don't know why it shocked me and unnerved me so much, because I mean, heck, I'm out here looking for Bigfoot, but it did. And I just remember thinking, I just want to go to sleep, and I really hope I don't have to go to the bath and that was the last night we were there. I was thinking, thank God. Yeah, weird stuff always happens on the last night. From I mean from what i've it's just something about last the last night, that's when the weird stuff happens for me. Right, you also had we had been talking earlier, So you've got You've got a show that's just starting up, right, I do over on YouTube. I've got Paranormal World, which is my new podcast that I'm doing, and what I'm really talking about, probably the first few episodes, is just letting everybody get to know me a little better.

1:15:54 I'm on the Texas Front Porch platform yep, so if you look for Texas Porch you'll see me. I'm doing live streams. I'm not doing pre records, so it won't be under videos. It will be under live but you should be able to see that. Come check me out. I've also co hosted a few of their like Texas Front Porch and Blondes and Booze. I've co hosted with them. I was on with Josh Turner the other night interviewing with him. Oh cool, yeah, and he invited me to come and co host with him on Friday or Saturday nights. Wow, because he's starting up something new. But I'm really just wanting to share all of my stories because I've had weird things happen to me from an extremely early age.

1:16:40 And I've seen ghosts, Like I said, I've had a phantom car roll up on me. I've seen unexplained misty shapes. I've seen everything but UFOs in Bigfoot. Really at the end of the day, Wow, we're going to be talking about that, and of course we'll have guests on and just like we're talking now, just having a nice conversation, bound some things off each other. Texts and Brandy were both on with me tonight, but I think typically it's going to be one or the other will be co hosting with me. That's awesome, that's really cool that you're going to be involved something with Josh Turner as well over on that platform is pretty cool as well.

1:17:21 But offered, I mean, it's whether or not I don't know. I mean, I don't know that I can do it this weekend because I think he was asking me to come on tomorrow night or Saturday night, but it's good Friday and it's Easter weekend. We got a lot of stuff planned. So yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, he was very generous and he was he said, well, if it's not this weekend, then maybe next weekend. But I mean, he's a really good guy. I do like him a lot. That's what I hear, that he's a good guy. Monica has been really fun chatting with you. It's been a long time coming, but I'm glad we're able to finally chat. Do you mind taking a few minutes to just we did talk about the podcast is stuff. Is there any other way that people can keep up to date with what you're doing or how to contact you if they want to reach out to you specifically about maybe something that you were mentioning during your interview. Sure, you can always reach out to me. I mean you can reach out to me through Facebook.

1:18:20 I'm very cautious with who I friend, but I believe you can still send me messages. So my Facebook is Monica Frank Rowlins. I've got my maiden name in there. You can also reach me through Instagram Monica Underscore Rolins. I've also got Strange South Radio over there. It's another profile from a podcast I had a long time ago. I haven't set up because my podcast. Our Paranormal World is still very new. I have to set up all of my social media posts for that, but I'll be advertising them promoting them on all of my other platforms, so if you're following, you'll be able to see when those roll out. And if you want to reach me by email, the best way to do that is Strangesouth Radio at gmail dot com.

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