Bluff Charged by Bigfoot in Area X!

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Welcome to Bigfoot Society. In this
episode, we talked to Monica Rollins about

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her twenty two years of bigfoot research
and the many other things she's experienced along

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the way. If you've experienced something
similar, have more information regarding bigfoots or

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other cryptids in the same areas,
please reach out immediately to me after this

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episode. And if you've had an
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get on with the show, all
right, big So Society. I've got

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the privilege of talking to Monica Rollins
tonight. She's a researcher from down in

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Texas. Got some really interesting things
that have happened over the years. But

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Monica, how's it going. It's
going great. Thanks for having me on.

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Absolutely, I've been wanting to chat
with you for a while because your

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name does come up in some interesting
things over the years chat about that,

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but it finally was able to work
out. I've got I got to ask

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you right off the bat. So
we were talking before the show. You

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have about twenty years a Bigfoot research
in your past, right, I do,

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right around twenty two years. Wow. Yeah, How did you first

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get involved with all of that?
What was your gateway into the whole Bigfoot

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thing? Well, I grew up
in northern California, and I would summer

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in kind of a remote ish area
of southwest Oregon, and I was fortunate

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enough to have a grandfather who really
loved legends. He loved everything unusual and

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peculiar, and he really encouraged me
when I started showing interest in folklore and

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legends and of course Bigfoot where we
grew up and where we were staying,

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and I think that he was a
believer, or at least leaned more towards

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that believer aspect of it. And
he never discouraged us from my brother and

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I from looking into it. If
we told him we saw or heard something,

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he believed us and he would bring
me books or help me find things

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in the libraries. Because I'm from
back in the day when there was no

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internet and you had to go into
a library and pick up a book,

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and your research is limited in the
stories that you could absorbed or limited to

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whatever the local library had to offer
you. So that really is the foundation

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I feel of my interest in a
bigfoot. And then, of course spending

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the summers like I did in Southwest
Oregon, I did have some interesting things

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happened to me that I blew off
at the time, but having been in

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the research for so long, I
really strongly feel that there was likely a

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bigfoot in the vicinity more than once
over the years. Now, I mean

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we're talking years and years, so
I would say maybe two and two two

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encounter specifically, or two incidents,
three incidents come to mind over the course

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of those years that I'm early thinking
that I really feel like that was a

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bigfoot. So that's what got me
into it. And then I moved to

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East Texas and one night I was
watching the Legend of Boggy Creek like one

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does, and I realized that falc
is not that far from me. So

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I researched Bigfoot in Texas, and
I was surprised to learn back then that

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there's a lot of sightings. I
mean, you hear about Falcon. In

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my mind, it was an isolated
incident, but in researching, because the

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Internet at this point was still fairly
on finding out that there are just so

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many reports and sightings, and there
were groups of people that were coming together

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and researching this, and I thought, well, heck, I'm going to

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join one of those groups. So
I applied to the TBRC, and that's

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where my journey began. Before we
get into the Texas stuff, my mind

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is really on Southwest Oregon right now, actually, because I'm headed out there

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in July to well, I don't
know if this is considered southwest, but

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to Oakridge, Yeah, outside of
Eugene. So I'm headed out there for

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a festival, Sasquatch Summerfest, and
hopefully talk to some people. But it

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was that around the same area,
or it's a little bit south of there.

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It's May Oh gosh, I want
to say, it's like maybe an

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hour and a half south of there. It's where I was west of Roseberg,

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the mountains out there between Roseburg and
the coast. That's awesome. Are

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you able to share the things that
happened out there that you found weird or

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yeah? Absolutely. The first thing
that I remember happening, I think I

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was this is at my youngest age, and I can't even I'm not going

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to pretend to know what age I
was. I know I was young.

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We were at a neighbor's property and
we were in the literal back forty of

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this property, and they had cut
down some trees. We were playing on

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this log pile, right like kids
do. We were climbing up to the

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top and rolling down. It's so
funny. And we were right on the

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edge of a tree line. And
I remember that I had crawled up to

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the top of this woodpile, and
I had injured my foot earlier. But

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you know, as kids do,
you're like whatever, it's scratch. Back

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in the eighties, nobody really cared
if they got hurt. They kept playing,

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and your parents didn't care until the
ten o'clock news came on and asked

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if they knew where you were.
But anyway, I was at the top

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of this log pile and we were
all giggling and laughing, and there were

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probably five of us there altogether,
and I could hear something coming towards us

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in the tree line. And these
were pretty dense trees that were near us,

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right, so you can't you can
see in there, but you know,

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I remember it was overcast, so
it was a little darker in the

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tree line, and I could hear
something coming towards us, and then we

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heard something growling, and then the
trees started shaking, and I remember all

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the kids screaming. They were screaming
bear. They were taking off across the

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field, and of course I'm at
the top of the woodstack and I'm trying

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to get down without breaking my leg, and I already have an injured foot,

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so I can't run as fast as
everybody else. And they were at

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the farmhouse by the time I hit
the first barbed wire fence, and I

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just remember thinking, oh my goodness. And I was, you know,

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running as fast as I could,
just convinced I'm going to get pounced on

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by something, you know, not
wanting to get tangled up in the barbed

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wire, trying to get through the
fence and you know, across the next

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field to get to the house.
And I didn't see anything, and all

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of them were convinced it was bears. Anytime we had something happened to us,

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it was immediate bear for my cousins
or our friends that were around us.

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But looking back on that, bears
don't shake trees. I just that

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sticks in my memory because I heard
it coming I heard it growling, and

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the trees were shaken, and it
wasn't like a soft back and forth,

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like a bear scratching its back.
This was a violent shake of the trees.

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So that's the first incident chronologically that
I can remember. There was another

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one a few years later. We
were coming back to my uncle's house.

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Now, the way the properties were
situated we're on, we called it the

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highway, but it's really just a
paved two lane road in a sea of

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dirt roads. So we called it. The highway runs east and west,

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and where my cousin's house is situated, they're just slightly below the highway.

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There's a field, and then there's
a creek, and then another field,

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and then the mountain starts to jump
up. And my grandfather had purchased the

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property directly across the creek from my
uncle, and they had built this little

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metal bridge so that we could get
back and forth with the vehicles. So

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the road that the bridge was on
was elevated, i'd say three feet elevated,

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and then it would slope down to
the forest floor and again heavily wooded

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obviously, were leading up into a
mountain, and all the kids were coming

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from across the creek, you know, almost to the bridge, coming back

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towards my uncle's property, and we
were all again just talking and laughing and

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joking around dark night. It's a
dirt road and it's a hollow basically because

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there's trees overgrown on it. And
we are all to the bridge and there

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is a growl we hear and it's
now we're walking down this road. We're

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maybe ten years old, and it's
ear level with us. It's not like

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I heard something low to the ground
three feet down. This is ear level

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with us, and it's growling,
and we all stop, and then it

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comes again, louder, again,
ear level with us, and again my

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cousins take off running, screaming,
and it's a bear. It's a bear.

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But we're let's say, five feet
tall, all right, and the

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forest floor is three feet down and
this is ear level with me. That's

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not a bear. I mean,
I guess it could be if it was

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standing on its hind legs. But
I mean, we didn't hear anything approaching

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us. We didn't hear any popping. I've been in the woods, you

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know, up around scook them,
and I've sat on the back of a

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truck, and I listened as a
bear came to me and he was aggravated.

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It was pitch black. I can
hear him coming. I can hear

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him. You can hear the huffing. You can hear that they pop their

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jaws when they're annoyed. I could
hear the jaw pop, and I'm listening

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to it get progressively closer to me. So hearing that and then thinking back

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to my childhood, there was nothing. I think we just came up on

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it or it hurt us as children
talking and playing, and it was curious

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and came up and for whatever reason
growled at us and my cousins take off.

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My brother and I not as athletic
as my cousin, so we were

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bringing up the rear. My poor
little brother couldn't keep up. But again,

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scared to death, something's going to
be scrambling up on the road and

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chasing us across the bridge. Obviously
it didn't, but that was the next

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thing that stands in my mind,
and the third encounter that I can think

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of. I want to say I
was maybe fifteen at the time, and

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my cousin and I used to go
up on the road we called the highway

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and exactly a mile down the road
was a little bridge, culvert really,

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and we called it the bridge,
and we'd run there and back just because

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we knew it was a mile there
and a mile back, and we could

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keep track of how far we were
running. Well, we had run down

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come back. We were maybe three
quarters of the way back, and we're

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we had to stop. I had
to stop. I can't run like my

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cousin could, and I'm winded.
So she's walking with me and we're talking,

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and the mountains on the left of
us is coming down to the road

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side. There's a little bit of
a clearing, but you know, the

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tree line comes pretty close to the
road. And something I notice is stalking

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us right, or at least it's
keeping pace with us, just inside the

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tree line, far enough away where
you can hear it, but not close

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enough to see it. And I
notice it, and I mentioned it to

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my cousin and we stop, and
it stop, and you I'll take a

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step and stop and we start walking
again, and it starts walking again.

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And I don't know if my cousin
heard something that I didn't hear, but

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she, in typical fashion, takes
off leaves me there. I'm already winded

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me. I got nothing in me
to run very far, and she screams,

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abear shoots off, leaves me behind
to be murdered, and I run

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as far as I can, and
then I'm like, if it's my time,

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it's my time. I got nothing. But this thing kept up with

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me the whole time, which is
interesting, never shared itself. Al we

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stayed in the tree line, but
when I would stop, it would take

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a step and stop with me.
I'd start going. A beat later it

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would start going. I made it
home. My uncle was freaking out,

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thinking, of course, I'm old
on the side of the road because it's

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daughter's screaming bear. Thinking back on
that, I can't say definitively that was

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a bigfoot. But this is all
bigfoot behavior right classic in my opinion,

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after doing all of this research,
I really feel strongly that certainly it could

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have been a bear, but you
know, equally, it could have been

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a big foot in my opinion,
And there are reports coming out of this

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county. It's in Douglas County,
and there are reports out there. And

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the last encounter that I had there, I was sixteen. I want to

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say I was out by myself in
the front. Oh no, I take

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that back. That was my second
encounter. This is all the same encounter,

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just a few days apart. So
the initial one my younger cousins and

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I. My cousin who was my
age had gone somewhere for the summer,

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so it was just me and my
younger cousins, and we were up pretty

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late, I'd say it was maybe
one in the morning ish, and we

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decided to go outside and just play, like goof around. It was a

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full moon, we could see really
well, and we come busting out of

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that front door. And I remember
this so clearly because my youngest cousin was

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ahead of me and she was maybe
twelve at the time, and she's halfway

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down these wooden planks that they had
leading up to their front door. She's

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halfway down the wooden planks. My
other cousin is behind me. I got

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one step down off the porch and
from the creek right because there was a

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dairy farm next door, and then
there was a like a cow horse pasture

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that my uncle owned, and then
a barbed wire for electric fence, and

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then his front yard and the porch
they were on, so off to the

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left towards definitely in the creek,
but closer to the dairy farm comes this

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howl that I have never heard before
in my life. My cousins had never

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heard it before. They didn't know
what it was because I looked at them.

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The hair on the back of my
neck first time in my life,

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it just stands straight up and it
at first I thought it was a cow,

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which is unusual to hear a cow
just baying at N't I right?

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And it started off like a more
and then it went into this full howl

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that lasted so long, and again
my youngest cousin froze. The cousin behind

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me froze, and I'm looking at
them and they're like, we don't know

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what that is, and the hair
on my neck is standing up. I'm

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terrified. I'm like everybody back in
the hat, back in the house.

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And I remember that night I was
sleeping in one of the bedrooms. They

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didn't have curtains. They had this
giant picture window in the bedroom, and

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I was afraid to go to sleep
because I'm like, whatever that was down

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in that creek that had some lungs, that thing was big, and if

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it wants to get us, that
window and stopping anything. So I remember

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being very afraid to go back to
sleep that night, and a couple of

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nights later is when I was outside
by myself. It was dusk. The

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sun had just gone behind the mountain
range, so it's still pretty light out

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but the sun's not visible. And
the neighbor's next door were having a pool

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party, because I remember hearing laughing
and splashing and all this stuff, and

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they're across a field, but they
were being pretty loud. And I hear

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that same howl but farther down the
creek, but in the same direction it

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came from before, but farther away. It was more faint, but I

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could hear it, and I just
remember standing up and I walked to the

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dirt road that went down across the
bridge in the hollow that my grandfather owned

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it, and it was pitch black
down there at this time, like you

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couldn't see anything, and I just
remember thinking, there is no way this

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is terrified. Yeah, I was
scared. I mean, I wasn't as

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scared as I was that first time
hearing it, but I definitely remember thinking

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I didn't imagine that that is that
same sound. It's farther away now.

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I was thankful for that. But
you know, those are the incidents that

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stand out in my mind. That's
some wild stuff. I bet there was

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a time when you were getting into
research and then you remember those stories and

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you're like, oh my goodness,
you're probably a little close. Did you

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ever ask your grandfather if he ever
experienced anything weird in the area as well,

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or did that ever come up?
It didn't come up. I wish

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I had. I really do wish
that I had, because he's been gone

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for a while now. But he
was just so encouraging and being young,

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and I wasn't really researching anything.
I didn't even want me to ask him.

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That moved out to East Texas and
then you got involved with really the

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organization that would become ANYWAC. Correct, you must have met someone or had

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some connection that led you into that
group. How was that? I mean,

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this was back in two thousand and
two, right, so they're still

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fairly young. I want to say. They'd only been an organization for a

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few years at that point, and
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And I again, I was watching
foul in the Legend of Boggie Creek one

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night and I realized heck falk,
I mean, it's just a few hours

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away. That's nothing. I wonder
if there's anything this far south. And

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that's what led me to the search
that brought up all the different sidings.

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I remember seeing the BFRO, I
mean, and all of this was new

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to me. I had no idea
that there were bigfoot organizations anywhere at this

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time, and that was very exciting
to find out, and especially to find

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out that there were quite a few
in Texas. And I reached out to

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the Gulf Coast Organization, and I
reached out to the TBRC, and the

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TBRC Craig wool Heater reached out to
me first, So that's all it is.

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They responded to me first, and
he invited me to their next meeting,

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which was up in Dallas, which
was quite a drive for me.

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Actually, I think it was out
in Weatherford and oh no, I take

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that back, it was East Texas, but it's still I mean, it

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was a few hours drive for me, and I show up and they're having

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their little meeting in a bank quit
room of a stake place, and I'm

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a new face. Nobody knows who
I am wandering and there I brought my

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brother with me because I was thinking, I mean, if these people turn

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out to be really weird, were
leaving, and so Craig came up to

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me and asked who I was,
and he was like, oh, okay,

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well we'd love to have you join, and this and that, and

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it just blossomed from there and I
became a director within the group. First

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day, I think we were called
the Inner Circle, and then when we

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ended up forming the five oh one
C three, it became a board of

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directors and I was on that.
I want to say I was on those

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until I think I left in twenty
ten is when I stopped participating with the

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TBRC. You have been up in
Area X correct, Yes, yes,

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the older the original Area X in
southeast Oklahoma. Is there anything that you've

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remember from being able to go to
that location that sticks out, anything out

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of the ordinary that happened or anything
weird. I mean, it was pretty

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routine most of the time. You
get a wood knock here, you get

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a call there. My experience was
not terribly consistent. We would put gang

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cameras out, tons of bear we
could. I mean I joked that we

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were the Texas Bear Research Association At
one point because we had I mean,

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I could tell you every bear within
a five mile radius at that place at

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one point. But what turned around
and the one time that we had just

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an insane amount of activity was when
we were filming a sizzle reel for a

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potential show. Right. We were
constantly getting hit up by production companies wanting

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to make this or that, and
they actually sent a crew out to do

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a sizzle reel with five of us
and on this weekend, and we just

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had so many crazy things happen,
so many crazy things that I don't The

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only thing that was different was the
camera crew. And the camera crew consisted

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of two or three women, and
typically I'm the only woman out there.

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If so, if there's any woman
presence, it's more than likely me,

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it might be somebody's wife for a
day or two. But you know,

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up to that point, I would
have been on most runs up there the

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only female, and this time we
had a few other women out there,

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and I don't know if that had
something to do with it. That's the

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only thing I could think that was
different. And on this occasion, I

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had, I mean, my husband
and I so the way Area X.

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Are you familiar with Area X?
How it's situated. Have you talked to

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anybody about that. No, I
mean, I know it's in southeast Oklahoma.

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I haven't been there. So the
original area X is a homestead that

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has been passed down through this family
for generations and it is surrounded by BLM

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and I want to say wildlife management
area. So it's not something that can

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be developed. It's not something that
people can just go by, right,

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And it takes a good hour at
least via goat path to get to the

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property off of the main road.
So I mean, you are pretty remote

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down in there. And because this
was an old homestead, there are or

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were three cabins situated on it.
There was a main cabin that we would

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stay at, and then there would
be another cabin and a third one closer

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to the mountain. But we really
didn't at this point in time, we

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really didn't do much. The one
that was closer to the mountains stayed away

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from that one. So it was
just the larger main cabin than a smaller

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secondary cabin, and it was connected
by little footpath through the woods, and

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they weren't terribly far apart, but
they were far enough apart, and the

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smaller of the cabins was bordered by
a creek and it had a bear fence

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around it, and that's important to
the story. So the first night,

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and to be honest with you,
I can't remember if the you know what

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happened which night. There were two
nights. I want to say we were

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out there the first night. I
believe my husband and I were on that

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second cabin that's surrounded by the bear
fence. We were sitting there in the

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dark, and we can hear something, just low growling. But when we

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turn our because we were sitting in
the dark listening, we turn our lights

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on and there was nothing, I
mean, there was nothing around us.

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And I kept hearing it. It
sounded almost like a plane, that low

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rumble of a plane flying overhead.
There was no plane because it would stop

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and then pick up again. And
I was thinking, Man, is that

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a cougar. Maybe it's a cougar, I don't know, But anytime we'd

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turn a light on, he or
were looking up in the trees. We're

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looking all around. I didn't see
anything, which was peculiar for sure.

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But the thing that really freaked me
out while we were there happened let's say

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the second night, and we were
filming with the crew, so we knew

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where the camera crew was. We
had one guy stationed up higher on the

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mountain. We had one guy further
down the creek with his dog, and

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that was I mean, that dog
was the best dog. He was so

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obedient to his guy, and he
would never leave his master dog. He

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would not leave our man. He
was always right there. The best dog

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I've ever met in my life.
But they were farther down the creek and

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the rest of us were the main
cabin. And we get a call on

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the radio from our guy up on
top of the mountain saying, hey,

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I hear something down in the creek
below me, which is where that secondary

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cabin is. It's the creek that
runs alongside of it. And we call

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out to the guy further down and
he's like, I don't hear anything.

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So Brian and I and he's talked
about this on his podcast, so I

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feel comfortable saying his name, Brian
Brown, and he and I grab flashlights

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and we're heading out there. And
it's interesting because when I'm out there,

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I never really particularly felt the need
to be armed. Right. I would

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carry a knife, but I wouldn't
carry a gun. On me, and

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Darryl really insisted that I take his
gun, right, So, okay,

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I'll take your gun. He puts
it on me. He puts it on

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me cross straw, and I'm drawing. I draw like this. I'm not

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used to cross straw. So he
has it on my hip as a crosstraw.

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That's important later. So I'm like, yeah, I put the gun

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on. So Brian and I head
over to the cabin. We're talking.

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We're using white lights, we're not
trying to be subtle. We're in our

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thing. And we get down along
the backside of the fence and we get

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to the creek and we're looking up
and down the creek and there's nothing.

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We sit there for a minute,
don't say anything. Nothing. We're not

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hearing anything. And I'm like,
whatever he heard, I think it's gone.

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I don't know, because we've I
just I don't see anything. I'm

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not hearing anything. Brian agrees.
So we turn around and we're walking back

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the way we came and we're about
halfway down the fence line and mind you,

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the mountain just like there's maybe ten
feet and then the mountain starts just

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jutting up behind this cabin. So
we're in that little clear area and we're

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hugging the fence line pretty close again, using white light, talking like I'm

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talking now, we're not being quiet, and I hear something and Brian hears

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it. There's something about halfway up
the mountain starts walking and so I shine

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my light up there and it's the
middle of summer. It's a green wall,

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and I was like, I hear
something up there. You hear that?

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And the next thing I know,
this thing is just bee lining it

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towards us down this mountain being loud. You can see the foliage shaken,

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and I'm like, oh, because
I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it's

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a bear. Bear is a theme
here, and I'm trying to get inside

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the bear fence. Right, we're
let's hustle. So Brian and I are.

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We're walking and we turn the corner
and this is so funny. I'm

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like, go, well, I
turn around to start walking backwards because I

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don't like, I don't want to
turn my back to whatever this is running

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at me down the mountain and he
breezes, he's running, he breezes past

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me, and I'm thinking, dude, like he just triggered the predators pots.

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Thanks, and so this thing is
not slowing down. It's coming right

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at us. I'm freaking out.
Brian's trying to open the gate to get

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in the fence. I'm walking backwards
at this point. I'm not very close

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to the opening, and I'm trying
to pull the gun with my right hand

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because I forgot it's crossdraw. Because
I'm panicking, and I just remember being

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so freaked out. I ripped the
holester off the belt because it was a

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bell crow to one. I ripped
it off the belt, pulled the gun

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through the holester, and I'm backing
up like with the gun pointed at where

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this thing's coming down the mountain,
thinking, oh my gosh, I'm not

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shooting into the dark. Once it
clears that tree line, I'm firing,

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and goodness, I hope I slow
it down enough to get in that face

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because I don't think I'm going to
draw. I'm thinking it's a bear.

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I'm not going to drop a bear
with a handgun unless I'm really lucky with

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the where the bullets are striking,
and I'm scared. I don't want to

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have to shoot. They don't know
what's Nobody around me knows what's going on.

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So all they're going to hear was
gunfire in the dark, and they're

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going to freak out. And I
don't want to shoot anything either. I

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just don't. I don't want to
shoot anything. So I'm backing up with

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the gun and this thing comes down, stops just inside the tree line where

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you cannot see anything, and it
stands there and then it paces back and

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forth for a minute or two,
doesn't ever break the tree line, because

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again, I'm not shooting into the
dark. I'm not shooting unless it breaks

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the tree line, right, So
I still got my gun drawing on it.

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I'm backing up towards the gate entrance
to the bear fence around the cabin,

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and it just starts going back up
the mountain, slower, not tearing

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up the mountain like it came down
the mountain. It's casually walking back up

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the mountain again. You can see
the foliads moving, you can see stuff

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rustling. But I get inside the
fence, I'm shaken. Brian's shaken for

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radioing in to let the guy at
the top of the mountain know, Hey,

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something's coming up towards you. Keep
your eyes out. He never saw

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anything. I don't know that he
even heard it coming down towards us,

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but we had to there's something here. It was very dramatic. It made

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for great scissor real footage, I'm
sure, but we didn't have a cameraman

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with us. I think what they
would have gotten on camera is me radioing

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in. So I'm just bluff charged
us down the mountain. And that was

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interesting. And again, to be
rational, you can always say, sure,

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it could have been a bear,
it could have been a cougar,

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But why would it not have broken
the tree line to come towards me?

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Why would it have stayed in the
tree hidden, specifically hidden in that tree

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line, and then just paced there, hidden and then gone back up?

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I mean I was out in the
open. Sure I had my gun drawn,

407
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.720
but I was there. The whole
area is wild. I've talked to

408
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.960
a few people from I mean the
whole area of southeast Oklahoma. But you

409
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:52.759
mentioned bear a few times. Is
there something that comes to mind? Like

410
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.000
if I was to ask, well, what's to say that it's not just

411
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:03.119
bear in southeast Ocala area? X? Is there anything that you remember that

412
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:10.799
you could be like, it's definitely
not all just bear. So there are

413
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.440
the calls. We did hear calls. We would hear on occasion one calling

414
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.759
from one side of the ridge to
the other side of the ridge. You'd

415
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:25.319
hear the whoops and the calls.
It's pretty rocky in there along the creeks,

416
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:32.640
so it's not really conducive to casting
right to finding prints. I know

417
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:41.079
that later on, after I had
left the organization, people had started having

418
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.920
sightings up in there. And these
are reputable people. I believe them.

419
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.680
I have no reason not to believe
them saying that they saw one going from

420
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.559
one tree to the other. And
I will say that one time I saw

421
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.799
something jump from one tree to the
next, but it was so far away.

422
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.240
I'm terrible with size. I couldn't
tell you if it was a squirrel.

423
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.200
I mean, I will say it
looked like a looked like a monkey,

424
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.000
not an ape even necessarily. I
mean, it wasn't, in my

425
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.920
opinion, particularly large. But I
saw something jumping from one tree then the

426
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:17.039
next. But I can't say that
it wasn't a squirrel. Something a little

427
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:23.839
more reasonable to the bully up there. I mean, I've had a lot

428
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.279
of instances. I mean, I've
had a lot of weird things happen.

429
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.519
I mean, I've seen some crazy
things, just never seen a bigfoot.

430
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.400
Yeah, And I don't want to
get rabbit trailed or anything, but you

431
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.480
know, so I'll just say if
listeners want to, you can read Value

432
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.000
of the Apes by Michael Mays,
and I've talked to him before, and

433
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.279
there's some like fantastic stuff in that
book. But it's like it almost feels

434
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:53.680
like there's other stuff that happens in
that area and they don't really talk about,

435
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:59.640
like like there's other stuff going on
besides just bigfoot stuff. I don't

436
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:04.720
know, maybe I'm just reading.
I solidly believe that there are other cryptids

437
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.880
out there, oh really, not
just bigfoot. I mean I do,

438
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.880
and a lot of people don't like
me for saying it, I mean,

439
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:17.039
especially bigfoot people. I don't understand
this, but I do believe that dog

440
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:24.039
men are out there. I believe
that that's true. I believe in just

441
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:31.000
other cryptids in general, like pale
crawlers, and there are Native American cryptids

442
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.920
too, that they're still out there
wandering around in the woods. Used to

443
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:42.880
say that it's not one of those. Yeah, there's all kinds of stories

444
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.720
of little people. I believe in
the little people, there's dear women,

445
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.839
there's all kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about the

446
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.400
stuff I put on TikTok earlier before
the show. Mike Goodness, there's some

447
00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.119
weird stuff coming people are reporting on, like just like I have like forty

448
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.799
messages at least to go through,
and it's just all the time. People

449
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.840
are like, I've seen something crawling
around, I saw a dog man.

450
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.639
I've seen a little person in the
Lake Texoma area, and it's just it's

451
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.880
weird stuff. Are you saying that
you think there might be like dog man

452
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.079
around the southeast Oklahoma area? Oh? Yeah, I really believe it after

453
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.480
your percent that there were. That's
definitely what I would consider a habitat for

454
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
dog man. Is that is that
from reports you've taken or is it just

455
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.400
because you're looking at the habitat and
you're like, totally, I'm looking at

456
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.360
the habitat Yep, for sure.
I mean that's where I'm going to base

457
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:44.039
any research is looking And I mean, is it somewhere that this creature could

458
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.679
potentially be hide? Is there food
source? Is there water sores? All

459
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.679
the normal things that you'd be looking
at. And also I mean I just

460
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:57.719
feel really strongly that where there are
bigfoot sightings and reports, there typically are

461
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.239
also dog man report and I feel
that you don't hear as much about the

462
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:06.960
dog man reports, because who's going
to believe somebody's saying I saw werewolf in

463
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.679
the woods. It's going to believe
that. I mean, it's easier to

464
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.239
believe that there's a bigfoot rent and
right out there, because you have the

465
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.119
fossil records to back that up.
But there are a lot of people saying

466
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.039
they're seeing something that does look like
a were wolf, and who am I

467
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.320
to say they didn't see it?
And if it's far fetched for you to

468
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.000
believe, that's fine, that's your
problem. But I mean, I've heard

469
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:30.079
enough people tell me about things,
I've read enough reports that there's something behind

470
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.039
that, and I don't think that
it's a I don't think that it's a

471
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.599
What am I trying to say,
A distorted bigfoot? A deformed bigfoot?

472
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.800
Yeah right, I don't think that's
the case all the time. Yeah,

473
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.519
the dog man stuff, I mean, I'm all for it. I really

474
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.079
wish it wasn't a thing, because
that's that freaks me out way more than

475
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.840
bigfoot stuff. For some reason,
especially the hyena reports. Have you gotten

476
00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.400
like seeing hyaena like one that looks
like a hyena or hyena face like?

477
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.280
Those are even weirder. But so
I did so reluctant to say it,

478
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.360
but I've been saying it a lot
lately. So I did see a dog

479
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:17.039
man and the one that I saw
had the hump, had that all man.

480
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.280
And so I didn't say anything for
the longest time because I mean,

481
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.760
I have a reputation in this community
for being very sane and rational, and

482
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:31.440
I wanted to keep that reputation.
That's where it's like, people think you're

483
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.400
crazy if you start talking about other
stuff like That's so that doesn't matter.

484
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.000
I don't understand that because why I
mean, it's all I mean when I

485
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.400
was heavy into my research, I
mean, I called it chasing shadows in

486
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.840
the dark, because that's what you're
doing. You're chasing set, we're chasing.

487
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:51.360
I could split that word out,
chasing shadows in the dark. And

488
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:57.480
at the end of the days to
say that an eight foot monkey or ape

489
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.599
is any more far fetched than seeing
a candid creature at the end, and

490
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.920
if it's my experience, and if
you don't believe me, that's fine,

491
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.960
people don't want to believe me,
and I kept quiet for a lot of

492
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.199
years. I mean my sighting was
in twenty fourteen, and I didn't start

493
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.280
openly talking about it until this past
year. Oh wow. You know,

494
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.199
because when I first reached out to
a friend of mine who's a fellow researcher,

495
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.320
they told me, oh, you
don't know what you saw. You're

496
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.800
misidentifying something. And I was like, I know what I'm looking at this.

497
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.079
It's terrible. That's why I have
this podcast so people can feel like

498
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.519
they can talk without being told to
shut up or be laughed at. You

499
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:44.880
know, I dismissed and that was
so just insulting, Like I mean,

500
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.199
it was also like, okay,
well, I mean somebody who's close to

501
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.920
me giving me this person's giving me
this reaction. I'm not going to tell

502
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.079
everybody that. I mean, I
don't want to hear that from the masses,

503
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.079
right, So do you mind sure? Like where it is that you

504
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639
you saw it? And yeah,
I mean we can talk about that.

505
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.800
It's far fetched. I mean,
it sounds crazy. I mean to me

506
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.559
anyway, it sounds crazy because where
I saw it is not a conventional area

507
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.320
where you would think you would see
one, right, because you're thinking you're

508
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:16.760
going to be in the woods,
You're going to be like out in the

509
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:21.239
middle of nowhere. I was in
Dallas City limits when I saw it,

510
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:28.599
And now it's not so far fetched
because I'm of course, and you have

511
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:34.639
your own encounter, you're looking into
other people's in metropolitan areas aren't immune to

512
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.639
cryptids. But I had a real
hard time with because the scene was big,

513
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:46.159
trying to figure out how this thing
is traversing the Metroplex and not being

514
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:52.519
seen, because sure there are creeks, but it's a pretty populated area,

515
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.800
and I feel like if this thing
was just cruising down one of the main

516
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.320
streets, we're going to have a
lot more stories out about it. And

517
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:07.159
so I'm thinking, are some people
more in tune to see weird things like

518
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.360
because that's not the only weird thing
I've seen. I've seen a lot of

519
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.480
weird things. Will I think the
answer is yes, yeah, different research.

520
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.480
I mean, I've seen Dwinde,
I mean what you want to call

521
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:21.400
it, d Winday right, a
little person. I've seen ghosts. I've

522
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.159
seen I've had a phantom car roll
up on me. It's I've had a

523
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:30.000
lot of weird things happened to me, but I never talk about it because

524
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.159
anybody that I'm around over the last
twenty something years, all they want to

525
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.559
talk about is bigfoot, right.
So I mean, I'm just now coming

526
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.159
out with these encounters and stories that
I've had over the years, because when

527
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.960
you're out looking for one thing is
to say you're not going to see another.

528
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.679
You're primed up already, right,
You're primed up to it for the

529
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.639
unexpected, the unusual to be around
you, and maybe that opened you up

530
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.719
to see other like weird things.
But yeah, but anyway, my encounter,

531
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.639
my sighting encounter, happened within Dallas
city limits. I mean, a

532
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:10.119
real quick overview of it is I
was going to pick my daughter up one

533
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:16.880
night between eleven and eleven thirty at
night. I was turning off of a

534
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.880
pretty major thoroughfare in Dallas into a
residential area and it's a fairly affluent area.

535
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:29.360
They have quite large estates here,
and it's not very well lit,

536
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.320
and a lot of these estates have
kind of park like settings. But as

537
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.440
I'm turning onto the road, maybe
thirty yards in is a single street light

538
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.159
and that's the only illumination on the
street for a ways, so I turn

539
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.159
and I hadn't even really started to
accelerate when I see something out of the

540
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.159
corner of my eye kind of running
low to the ground. I thought it

541
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:59.079
was a dog towards my car,
and I don't accelerate because the trajectory this

542
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.679
thing's going to cross in front of
my car collide with my car. So

543
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.039
you know, I'm not trying to
hurt anything. So I'm just sitting there

544
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.280
and it changes course and starts coming
towards my car, and I'm like,

545
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:14.400
what okay, And then I got
this. This is what I have the

546
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:22.159
hardest time explaining. I got this
feeling wash over me, and it was

547
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.039
it's hard to explain, like it
was coming at me in waves, and

548
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:30.800
it was just and I can only
describe it as like evil, just evil.

549
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:37.000
I have never felt anything like that
before in all of my years of

550
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.639
research and all of my years of
sitting in dark woods by myself, walking

551
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.440
down roads by myself, like you
get spooped every now and then, but

552
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:54.000
I have never had just a wave
of maliciousness, just pure evil feeling just

553
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.280
hit me, just slam into me
and keeps coming almost I mean, like

554
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:05.360
waves crap. Rushing is what it
was like. And I'm freaking out because

555
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.880
of this sensation, and this thing's
coming at me, and I'm turning to

556
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:13.039
look, and as everything's in slow
motion, I don't think it's this sighting

557
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.199
wasn't very long. I'm turning to
look at In my mind, I've got

558
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.039
this feeling at me, and in
my mind, I'm thinking, oh my

559
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.559
god, because as it's getting closer, I'm really starting to see what it

560
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.320
is. I'm not looking directly out
of it, but as it gets closer,

561
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.239
it's instead of running, it starts
bounding, like loping, bounding,

562
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:39.960
almost jumping, and when it gets
to it jumps, bounds whatever and lands

563
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:47.719
maybe fifteen feet from my passenger's side
door, and it lands in a runner

564
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.920
stance, like with one hand down, and that's what I call it,

565
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:53.840
like one hand down and one hand
up for balance, puts the other hand

566
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.159
down. I want to say.
It started to stand up, but then

567
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.519
crouch back down and it down and
it's looking in my driver's side door,

568
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.400
and it's like following me with its
neck just as I'm rolling by. And

569
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:14.840
the whole time, in my mind
I'm thinking, oh my but I'm also

570
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:16.840
thinking don't look at don't look right
at it, because you can't unsee that,

571
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:21.000
you cannot handle that, you cannot
unsee that. You know what that

572
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.639
is, you know exactly what that
is, and this whole evil feelings washing

573
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.800
over me, And so I didn't
look it right in the eyes. Because

574
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.599
people have asked me what color its
eyes were. I don't know, I

575
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.639
don't remember. I want to say
they were ambery. But what I remember

576
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:42.760
is the muzzle was elongated, but
it was bearish. It wasn't long and

577
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.599
pointy like a wolf snout, but
it was definitely pronounced. It was elongated,

578
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.360
and it had the pointy ears,
and it had that hyena like hump

579
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.360
on the back of its head.
And I remember the fine hairs like my

580
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.480
hair, like the fine hairs were
lit up from the light shining on it.

581
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.679
And I remember it was a big
because it was Christmas time, and

582
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.320
there was a long ornament that spelled
out Joy and it was like a big

583
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:16.719
metal lawn ornament that it landed fairly
close to. And I finally snapped too,

584
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.480
because this thing's like it literally like
stuck its head out like a person

585
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.960
right and was just like following looking
at me, following my car and I

586
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.480
snapped too, and I'm looked the
heck with this, So I slam on

587
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.480
the gas and I run every stop
sign down that road. I'm afraid to

588
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.320
look in my rear view mirror because
I'm I don't want to see it chasing

589
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.559
me. I don't want to see
that. But at the same time,

590
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.199
I'm also just convinced that any moment, I'm going to feel it jump onto

591
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.239
the back of my car, right, because it's just what I felt like.

592
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.880
I was terrified, and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, like they're

593
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.280
going to find my car abandoned on
the side of the brothers, gonna be

594
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.840
blood everywhere, Nobody's going to know
what happened to me, right, So

595
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.159
I got it. I don't stop
for anything. I get to the end

596
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.119
of the road, which is a
little ways down. It dead ends into

597
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.159
another street, and then there was
the shopping center that my daughter worked out.

598
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.280
So I pull in the shopping center. I turn around, so I'm

599
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.960
face in the street that I just
came from, and I'm waiting to see

600
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.320
this. I mean, really,
in my mind, I'm convinced the thing's

601
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.119
following me, right, And I'm
like, man, I don't want to

602
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.880
see that again. I mean,
I'm terrified that it's going to come out

603
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.559
and my daughter's not going to be
in the car yet, So that does

604
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.239
not happen. She eventually comes out, and in my mind, I'm like,

605
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.280
that's the shortest way home. If
I go back down that road and

606
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.400
it's still there and she sees it
too, then it's like a corroborative story,

607
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.800
right, somebody else has seen it. But then I'm like, I

608
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.519
don't want my daughter to experience I
don't want her to be terrified, like

609
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.159
I'm terrified because she had walked down
that road in the dark after work before,

610
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.239
and so I'm like, no,
I'm not going back down there.

611
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.239
I took the long way home,
would not go down that road like for

612
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.199
the longest time. But I remember
getting home that night, and then of

613
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.920
course getting out of the I didn't
tell my daughter immediately getting out of the

614
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.000
car, going in the house,
laying in bed, and I remember laying

615
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.840
there in bed still like heart pounding, scared, and I'm thinking, can

616
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.280
that thing track me? Could?
I mean, it was close to me,

617
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.880
It was within fifteen feet in my
car. It was looking at me

618
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.800
through the window. Does it have
my scent? Can it track me across

619
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.320
town? Like, I don't know
what these things can do, Like,

620
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.039
am I gonna come home one night
and it's gonna pop out of the bushes

621
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.960
next to me? And this is
running through my mind. And back then,

622
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.280
I used to run at night,
Like I'd go running through our little

623
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.440
neighborhood because it's pretty hilly and it's
a good workout and I'd just gotten into

624
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:54.039
the habit. But after this encounter, I tried to do that. But

625
00:46:54.199 --> 00:47:01.639
every scrape of leaf blown across a
sidewalk, any leaves rustling the bushes,

626
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.840
I'm terrified. Like, I'm so
scared, I don't want to walk outside

627
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.400
of the ring of light of street
lights. I mean, I'm terrified.

628
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.320
And it's fascinating to me because I
mean, first of all, I didn't

629
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:21.159
have to sighting anywhere near my I
mean it was maybe ten miles twelve miles

630
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.800
as a crow flies, I'm totally
guessing from where I live, but not

631
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.440
unreasonable for something to track you or
habitation circumference from where that thing was.

632
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:36.960
But six months later, I went
back to Scugum with a big group of

633
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.199
friends and we're out there, we're
doing our thing of course, in the

634
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:43.559
dark. We're out there at night. I'm out in the tall trees,

635
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.280
campfire light. I have no problem
walking off in the dark there. I

636
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:52.880
am not scared in those woods,
but I am afraid running through my neighborhood

637
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.000
at night, which I mean,
that was a very interesting thing for me

638
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.920
to realize, like, oh,
that's I mean all because of where I

639
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.960
saw it. Yeah, I mean, that's I can't imagine being in a

640
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.039
situation where it's doing the whole like
look down through the window, like the

641
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.920
t Rex in Jurassic Park, remember, trained its neck out and was like

642
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:19.320
following my cars, and the whole
time that sensations was constantly watching at me.

643
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.239
I appreciate you sharing that, and
that would be even harder, I

644
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.679
think, not sharing that with anyone
for a few years. Yeah, yeah,

645
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.880
I mean I told my really good
friend here in Dallas and they were

646
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.159
like, you don't know what you're
looking at. You misidentified it least that's

647
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.599
you didn't see that. And then
I told my husband and he was like,

648
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:45.199
okay, well that he goes,
I'm not calling you a liar,

649
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:52.519
but you understand that's a hard story
to swallow, and I'm thinking me,

650
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.480
I mean, I'm an honest person, like I'm I have no need to

651
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.679
make the story up, Like it
doesn't benefit me in any way to make

652
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.639
this story up. And I remember
I told my very good friend up in

653
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.480
Ohio and she, thank God,
she was like, Monica, if you

654
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.440
said you saw that, then you
saw it, I believe you. And

655
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.679
her husband was the same way,
and he was freaked out. He's like,

656
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.079
now I'm freaked out because if you
said you saw it, then you

657
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.280
saw it, and that means those
things are out there. So now I'm

658
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.119
a little freaked out because they both
do a bit. But research Also,

659
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:29.239
have you ever read this book before, Texas dog Man? You should check

660
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.880
it out. Yeah, it's one
of my buddies, Aaron D's, and

661
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:37.920
there's a chapter on incident around Dallas
in it. But yeah, it's a

662
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.280
good read. Definitely check out Texas
dog Man Triangle. So let's imagine we

663
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.559
were in a big foot museum and
there's a few of them, but we're

664
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:51.719
in a random big foot museum and
we are walking around looking at the different

665
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:57.360
exhibits. Are there any exhibits that
you could be like, oh, I'm

666
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.559
going to be mentioned in this or
I should be mentioned in this one.

667
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:12.519
Let's see. Well, I would
say, if there's anything to do with

668
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.280
the TV shows the Monster Quest,
occasionally they'll have something like that. Because

669
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:22.039
when the first season, I was
in the all female team that went out,

670
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:29.199
and I mean that really pushed me
forward in the community back in the

671
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:37.800
day, which was interesting. I
really feel like the early er days of

672
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.719
Bigfoot research, and I'm talking like
early early two thousands, like two thousand

673
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:49.039
and two, twenty ten. I
mean I was one of the very few

674
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:53.480
females at that time doing research out
of Texas really, and I don't want

675
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:57.079
to say across the US, because
there were still there were a lot of

676
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:02.679
female researchers. But I would say
something maybe like like that. I would

677
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.719
expect maybe they might mention me,
But I don't have that kind of ego.

678
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.440
I mean, if I wasn't mentioned
for anything, I would hope there's

679
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.079
a sweet Monster Quest exibit at a
big View museum. I was hoping that

680
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:21.719
would get us too. So Monster
Quest Season one, episode five, is

681
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:29.079
that's your episode when you and a
few other female researchers went out to a

682
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:34.639
site near Scuokam Meadows. Correct,
we went to the site of the actual

683
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:43.199
Scuokam cast. Do you remember anything
interesting that happened out of being in that

684
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.800
area? You were there for a
few days, right, Oh, we

685
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.760
were there for like nine days.
Wow, we were there for like nine

686
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.599
days. And it's so funny because
we were there for so long and we

687
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.000
got like twenty minutes of film.
I got like twenty minutes of airtime for

688
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:04.199
a nine day shoot. So Doug
Hichek has some really sweet b roll of

689
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.920
all the women wandering around Scuca Metow
looking at Elk tracks and Elk trail and

690
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:15.639
Elk beds. It was interesting.
I mean I could do a whole episode

691
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.199
just on the production of that particular
episode. Are part of it anyway,

692
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:27.760
because well, we really didn't have
anything crazy happen. In my opinion,

693
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.599
I'm very critical with anything that happens. I mean, I've got to I

694
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:36.239
have to rule out the common and
if I can't rule it out, then

695
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.400
I can't say that it wasn't that. But we did have some women on

696
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:45.679
our team that had little frogs jumping
on their tent and they were convinced that

697
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.440
if someone's throwing a rocks at them
and we get up and looking at a

698
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.119
frog, and we did no,
I take that back, and now I

699
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:59.719
forgot about this thinking back. So
while we were filming this, we had

700
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:05.719
all female researchers and we had male
production crew, right, and then we

701
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:12.079
ended up that's how I met Brian
Brown and Jerry and Adams Climber was this

702
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.119
guy's name. So the three of
them just happened to be in the area

703
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.960
at the time and they ended up
coming over and camping down with the male

704
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.760
production crew. So we had for
this film shoot. We had Rick Noll,

705
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:32.760
who got pretty good friends with and
we had some camera guy and we

706
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:38.679
were separated from them. So we
were up on a camp we called Hilltop

707
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.000
because it was the top of the
nearest hill. It was awesome there,

708
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.599
I mean, I've got some beautiful
shots because you could see Mount Saint Helens

709
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.679
very clearly. I mean there had
been an avalanche or something that came down

710
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.800
that area. Something had like a
bad snowstorm. It had sheared off the

711
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:58.679
top of trees that you could see
Mount Saint Helens and you could see Mount

712
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:02.639
Adams. So it was awesome camping
up there. But the women were separated

713
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.400
from the men. Just if anything
was going to happen, they felt that

714
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.400
it would be more than likely to
happen to the women up at the top

715
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:13.239
of the camp. Two the ladies
peeled off from our main group and camp

716
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.559
about halfway down the hill, and
the bulk of us were still at the

717
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.079
flat top the hilltop. And one
night it was me and Kathy Strain and

718
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:27.599
Melissa. We were sitting around the
campfire just talking, right. We weren't

719
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.000
really filming. The cameramen had to
be in bed at nine thirty every night,

720
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:37.800
so we weren't filming a lot at
night, and something did. These

721
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.800
were not frogs, because I saw
the pebble come between Kathy and I.

722
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.800
Something was throwing pebbles at us at
the camp's site, and I remember I

723
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.039
was like, I can't explain that. I can't explain. That's awesome.

724
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.679
And there were hunters in the area
because the first night or the second night,

725
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:59.840
a group of hunters walked into our
camp when we were all in our

726
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:05.400
tents. Because I saw the flashlights
and I heard the male voices, and

727
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.480
we were lucky. I mean,
not that they meant us any harm,

728
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.840
but you know, you never know, but we were inside of our tents

729
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.360
and they have no idea who's in
those tents. They don't know if we've

730
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.280
got guns, they don't go on
them. So they came into camp.

731
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.400
They didn't even come all the way
into camp. I think when they realized

732
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.320
that there were three or four tenths
there, they were like they turned around

733
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.400
and went back down the way they
came. But there there were hunters out

734
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.440
there. They're bear grass collectors because
there's a lot of bear grass up there,

735
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.960
and apparently that's a pretty profitable thing
for florists, so people will go

736
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:44.280
collect the beargrass and as it's it's
a long, thin, decorative grass which

737
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:50.599
grows actually out there. Cool awesome. Yeah, So did you say Brian

738
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.480
So Brian Brown? Was he involved
with Monster Quest? No, he just

739
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:59.679
happened to be in the area.
And yeah, him and this guy named

740
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.199
Jerry and this other guy named John
had hooked up through Bigfoot Forms, I

741
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:07.400
guess, and they just happened to
be camping that weekend. And he was

742
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.440
talking to Kathy about it because I
didn't know him at the time, and

743
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.920
Kathy was like, Oh, yeah, we're going to be up at Scuogum.

744
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.760
And the guy that was there,
John, he lived down in Stevens,

745
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:20.400
I want to say, and he
knew where that site was, so

746
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.519
they were camping at one There's a
campground very close to the cast site.

747
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.360
They were camping over there, so
they'd come over and I want to say

748
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.039
they moved their camp down with Rick
and the camera guy. I could be

749
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.679
misremembering that, but they joined us. So they were behind the scenes just

750
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.320
hanging out having a good time.
And he wasn't officially involved in it,

751
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.039
but he was there during the film. That is really cool. That is

752
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.960
something I did not know. Very
cool stuff there, for sure. So

753
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:54.199
I have a few interesting questions over
the years. Did you ever hear accounts

754
00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:01.360
that if they had happened to you
would probably stopped you from going out into

755
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:10.039
the field to look for Bigfoot.
Yes, so there were some reports out

756
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:15.719
of Texas that were pretty scary.
And I'd say, really, any report

757
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:22.119
where this creature is straight up right
there in front of you, just right

758
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.760
there. It's one thing to have
this encounter with in a moving car seeing

759
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.760
this creature, but I mean,
with no barriers, there is a mythical

760
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.000
creature staring you down. One of
them came out of Marion County that was

761
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.840
an aunt of one of our members
in the TBRC. And she had come

762
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:45.360
home. She lived in a rural
area out like close to Marshall in Jefferson

763
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:52.119
out Marion Countyway, and she had
come home from a date pretty late.

764
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.239
And I can't remember if he dropped
her off or she had her own car,

765
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.840
but anyway, she had to park
outside of a fence, right and

766
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.639
there was a gate and a fence, and apparently the gate was tricky to

767
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.800
open, and it was a barbed
wire fence. We love it in Texas.

768
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:13.719
Anyway, she was coming from the
vehicle to the gate to go home

769
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:21.719
and bigfoot like just stepped out of
the bushes right next to her, I

770
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.360
want to say. And she was
so freaked out she couldn't get the gate

771
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.599
open. She got tangled up in
the barbed wire trying to get away from

772
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.239
it into the house. And she
had scars on her legs from getting tangled

773
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:38.599
up in the barbed wire. And
then another one that was interesting was the

774
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.920
We called it the bow Hunter.
And he was a guy out in East

775
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.159
Texas. And if I tell you
which National forest I'll like, because I

776
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.639
can't remember if it was Angelina or
sam Houston, but it was one of

777
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:53.280
the National forests out there in East
Texas and he was up in his stand

778
00:58:53.320 --> 00:59:00.159
and he was bow hunting, and
this thing walked up out of the woods.

779
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.280
He's like, of course, freaking
out because the thing that's not supposed

780
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:09.599
to exist is looking towards his tearstand. He's frozen. He's got the arrow,

781
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:15.559
and it reaches up and touches the
arrow and it pokes it right,

782
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:21.440
it hurts it, and it I
want to say it freaked out or it

783
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:23.719
made a noise and then ran off. I can't remember the rest of the

784
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:29.079
story. I just remember that it
came up and touched his arrow. And

785
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.519
then there was another one where a
guy was hunting. He was up in

786
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:42.159
a stand and he's watching these hogs
and this bigfoot comes out and I don't

787
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.920
remember if it was chasing the hogs
or if it ambushed the hog, but

788
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:52.039
anyway, the hogs and the bigfoot
collide, and this bigfoot grabs this giant

789
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:58.280
hog by the back legs and just
whacks it into the tree and throws it

790
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:04.159
over his shoulder and off. That
would freak me out. I think that

791
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:08.719
I would have to give it up
if I were witnessing. I know where

792
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:14.159
that hat. Yeah, I know
more about that one. That's a very

793
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:19.400
interesting one. We can talk off
air about that. That's a wild one.

794
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:24.800
Do you remember where you trying to
remember timelines when the whole siege at

795
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:32.079
ho Nubby thing happened. Were you
involved with research at that point. I

796
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.119
want to say I was. It's
been a minute. I can't remember what

797
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:38.960
year it was. I think that
was real early two thousands, maybe like

798
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.719
two thousand and one, people can, Okay, So that would have been

799
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.480
about the time that I was getting
into it here, okay, And I

800
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:52.800
remember all the talk about it and
reading the stories. It might have been

801
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.280
a little bit later than that,
because I remember going up towards Hunubby with

802
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.400
a couple of other researchers just around
in the mountains. There. There's been

803
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:06.559
a siding up in Oklahoma along the
river, and we were going to check

804
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.079
out. It turned out to be
a hoax, but we were just going

805
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:14.559
up there to check out tracks and
whatnot. But Hannaby was the talk of

806
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:19.000
the town, so to speak.
At the top. Yeah, I mean,

807
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.920
and I've been conference. I've been
up there to Hannabby and it is

808
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.320
like it's pretty remote. It's out
there in the middle of nowhere. I

809
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:29.719
can see where there'd be a whole
family of bigfoot living in the mountain ranges

810
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:36.119
out there. Absolutely, did you
ever have any connections with the equivalent of

811
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:44.760
a state or government wildlife management officer
over the years and talk to them about

812
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:51.320
anything Bigfoot related? So I didn't
personally, but somebody else in the tbr

813
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.639
C did. And we have had
reports come in from officers. I don't

814
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:00.400
want you, they don't want you
to say anything. In East Texas whereas

815
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.119
I mean where they were mostly coming
out of. I want to say,

816
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:09.000
a game officer was talking to one
of our members telling him basically, yeah,

817
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.199
they're out there. We get reports. We're not really supposed to be

818
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.280
reporting on it, but we get
them. And then there was another There

819
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.280
was a police officer out near Conroe. I want to say, I can't

820
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.719
remember if he was active or retired, but he had one like digging through

821
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.960
a I want to say, a
burn pile in his backyard. He came

822
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.360
out one night and this thing was
digging through a burn pile he had out

823
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:36.280
there. Yeah, I remember him
saying that he could see it. It

824
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:38.360
was back towards the back of his
property. On how large a property was,

825
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:40.840
but it was backaways and he was
coming out of his back porch and

826
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.079
it was back there doing whatever it
was doing. But he was yeah,

827
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:52.440
I can't remember retired or active,
but he was a police officer. Is

828
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:58.079
the bigfoot part of your research?
Is that kind of in the past or

829
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:04.679
you still involved in day with any
bigfoot research? If you hear about it,

830
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.480
if I hear about it, I
will go check it out. My

831
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:14.280
husband does research. In fact,
he was a member of the Nawac up

832
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.960
until this year. I want to
say, well, and I've got a

833
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:21.559
friend who the same. I mean, I'm still friends with people in Nawac

834
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.920
and one of them lives not far
at all, maybe five minutes down the

835
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:29.960
road for me. So if he
I mean, he's written a book,

836
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.920
so people will contact him. Hey, I saw this. He grew up

837
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:36.000
in this area, so if he
years of anything, he'll let us know

838
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:37.760
and we might wander out there and
take a look at things. If I

839
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:42.239
get a report directly, I will
go investigate it. I'll talk to you

840
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.760
on the phone. If I have
the opportunity to actually visit you in person,

841
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.039
I will. Obviously I'm going to
want to go out and check out

842
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.360
where this sighting took place. Hopefully
it was on your property, and I

843
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.320
can, and it was fairly recently. I can get out there and do

844
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:58.519
some casting, or at least take
a look around and see what's going on.

845
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:08.239
Over the years, you've had the
time to really look into the subject,

846
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:12.719
have you come to a point where
you can say, one hundred percent,

847
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:25.559
Okay, Bigfoot is probably this or
this so Bigfoot specifically, I would

848
01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:30.039
have to go the flesh and blood
camp. I know there's a lot of

849
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.760
people who don't want to believe that. A lot of people think they're demons

850
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:38.840
or I mean, I used to
joke that Bigfoot was the alien's pet.

851
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.519
They just let them off to use
the bathroom on a road trip of space,

852
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.719
right, But I mean flesh and
blood. Like for me, like

853
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:53.559
ninety eight percent going to go with
the flesh and blood just I mean,

854
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.960
the rational part of my mind has
to do that. And I can't say

855
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.840
that they don't exist because I saw
this other creature and if that, there

856
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.840
is absolutely no reason the other thing
wouldn't. But I've never witnessed it.

857
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:11.159
Still gotta go, though, like
I said, with the nice flesh and

858
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.000
blood for sure, checkn't took with
the kiss. Maybe I don't know.

859
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.760
I don't know, but flesh and
blood ninety eight percent sure. So yeah,

860
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:23.880
the way I look at it is
pretty similar is flesh and blood.

861
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:30.800
But I think like some animals that
can do really weird stuff that how do

862
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:38.519
you explain, like a kidnap being
able to sense electrical stuff through us sensor

863
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.599
in the top front of his face. Like, there's some really weird things

864
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.519
that animals can do. So I
think if it's flesh and blood, it

865
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.119
can do some weird stuff. I
believe that. I mean, now teleporting,

866
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:57.039
haunting, like inhabiting trees through portals, controlling orders. No, that's

867
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.000
it's hard for me to swallow.
I'm very reluctant at this stage to say

868
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.440
I don't believe you Like, if
somebody gives me a report, I'm very

869
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:08.400
reluctant to say I don't believe you. Know, it might be more difficult

870
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.599
for me to swallow some stories.
I mean, you've got to look at

871
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.079
the whole subject. Are they have
a history of making things up? Do

872
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.000
they have a Not that I know
anybody's medical history, but are they perhaps

873
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:24.400
a little unhinged? You know,
there's a lot of things you need to

874
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:30.320
look at in anybody who's giving you
a report. But again, I didn't

875
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.719
have that encounter. That wasn't my
encounter. It's not for me to say

876
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.360
whether or not you're telling the truth. I mean, I just want to

877
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:40.840
hear what you have to say,
and that gives you an outlet because I

878
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.559
know how important it is when you
have something strange happen to you have the

879
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.719
ability to just get that off your
chest. It's very therapeutic to talk through

880
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:54.880
things that don't make sense to you. Absolutely. Yeah, even though I

881
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.280
have that personal belief myself, like
I'll talk to anyone. I think we

882
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.400
can learn some than from all different
sides. And a lot of it is

883
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:06.039
just there's a lot of people I've
talked to where at the end they'll be

884
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:11.000
like, haven't slept in like twenty
years. I think I can actually sleep

885
01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:15.000
now. So that is a lot
of it for me. Yeah, it

886
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:26.519
really is, oh exactly. Earlier
about we talked about dog Man for a

887
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:32.199
little bit, you'd mentioned pale crawlers
too, which is really interesting. So

888
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:40.159
have you gotten reports about those or
or how do those work into your research.

889
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:47.679
I have not gotten any reports of
them, and that's something that's fairly

890
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.840
new to me. I mean,
I'd say within the last year or so

891
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.440
is when I've started, like,
the reports in my purview have started amping

892
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:01.039
up, right, my p and
I don't know what those are. I

893
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.079
mean, honestly, I don't know
what those are. And there are so

894
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:12.039
many curious things out there that people
are starting to report that I don't wonder.

895
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.760
There's this thing in folklore, and
God bless me, I cannot remember

896
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:21.600
what it's called. It's got a
name, but it's basically when the masses

897
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:30.600
believe enough in something, it becomes
material. It's probably a tulpa tull Yeah,

898
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:32.800
I think it's a tulpa, yeah, yeah, which is a scary

899
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:39.479
concept. Yeah. So, I
mean dogmen, we see were wolves,

900
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.840
right, we hear were wolf stories, and I mean there have been reports

901
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.439
of were wolves in the woods for
a long time, but in recent years

902
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:49.279
they've amped up. So I don't
wonder if it's something similar to that,

903
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:54.319
these pale crawlers. What is that. I don't know. Somebody starts talking

904
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:58.720
about it. Maybe it wasn't something
at one point, but enough people believe

905
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.359
in it that it starts me manifesting
exactly. We were talking off air where

906
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:09.199
we're talking about the TikTok stuff.
So I haven't really talked about the TikTok

907
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:13.000
stuff on the podcast at all.
So I have like this big for society

908
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:16.079
TikTok and like some of it gets
really big, and there's a lot of

909
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:25.920
people that just send me direct reports
on that platform. And Texas and Oklahoma

910
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:30.760
has a lot of really weird stuff
going on, especially the Lake Texoma area,

911
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:36.479
which is half Texas half Oklahoma,
and there's just a ton of sightings

912
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:45.159
of that creature that are seen around
in towns around that lake, even you

913
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.279
know, even by people. There
was a gentleman who contacted me who was

914
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:54.840
working the train and he saw one
from the train. It's just very weird.

915
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.399
It's been labeled. I guess I
labeled it the Lake Texoma creature,

916
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.960
waiting here for it to show up
in some discovery or history show. Well,

917
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:06.319
you're another report. Let me know, because Texoma is not far from

918
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:12.079
me and I know now I know, And yeah, it was a recent

919
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.239
enough sighting, I'm going to want
to go check the area out. Yeah.

920
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.960
Yeah, And you were talking about
the train, the conductor seeing something

921
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:25.720
I always wonder like they go through
some pretty remote parts of the United States,

922
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.319
surely there's a lot of things that
they don't want to talk about because

923
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.800
I don't want to sound crazy,
but they've got to have they've got to

924
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:41.720
have stories. Absolutely. So yeah, train conductors. I know you guys

925
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.279
are listening to this podcast like crazy
when you're talking the train, So reach

926
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.720
out to me. Yeah, the
Pacific Northwest. I really want to reach

927
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:53.119
out to him because he's interested in
like the bigfoot stuff. I really I

928
01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:55.000
think I will. I want to
reach out to him and be like,

929
01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:59.359
you've been a conductor for your whole
life, Like, have you seen anything

930
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.359
a guy who's conductor from the Pacific
Northwest that's awesome. I mean I don't

931
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:09.399
know him personally, yeah, I
mean we're like Facebook friends. Uh yeah,

932
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.039
I mean it's interesting to me and
he's into the stuff. So I

933
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.840
mean again, I just like,
hey, you got anything you want to

934
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:21.479
share, I'd love to hear it. You had mentioned that you saw the

935
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:28.279
Little People or d one day,
right, I saw one in East Texas.

936
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:33.479
I mean East Texas is chok full
of some it really is some weirdness.

937
01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:39.479
And this one that's a Corps of
Engineers park that I used to take

938
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:45.720
a lot of people to and that
is where I've had a lot of strange

939
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:49.880
things happen, and that's where I
saw it. One night. I was

940
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:56.239
was pretty late at night, and
I was coming back from research with a

941
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:00.600
group of women, and I was
in the back seat of my friend's truck

942
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.319
and she had an extended it.
It was an awesome truck. I was

943
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:06.840
in the back seat, she was
in the front seat with another researcher and

944
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:11.079
they were having a conversation. It's
about like one two in the morning.

945
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:15.399
It was pretty late, and we
were driving towards our campsite, which was

946
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.159
in the very very back like very
It was separated out from the main camp

947
01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:23.680
areas, which is why I liked
it. And it's surrounded by water on

948
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:27.399
three sides. There's only one way
in and out of this. And we

949
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.840
were on our way back there and
I'm just looking out the window. They're

950
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:39.319
talking and there's a little bit of
cut grass within the trees, and this

951
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:45.039
thing like eighteen to twenty four inches
tall was just walking very close to the

952
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.520
grass, just walking along. And
I happened to see it only because we

953
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:54.920
were coming through a lamp, a
light, and it was within the lighted

954
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.039
area, and I noticed movement.
I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to

955
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:01.479
see a raccoon or armadillo or it's
pretty common out there. And there's this

956
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:10.680
little thing like shelf dwarf. I
don't know. It was dressed in like

957
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:14.000
natural like brown colors, I want
to say red and brown. I mean

958
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.119
it was very muted natural colors.
I know it had a hat on.

959
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:21.239
It had like a very unfriendly looking
face. I can tell you that.

960
01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:26.399
I remember it had a larger nose. It reminded me of one of the

961
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:31.279
puppets from Labyrinth. Oh yeah,
totally, yeah, just but very not

962
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:35.680
friendly looking at all. And if
he was just walking along, didn't even

963
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:40.880
look at us, didn't notice us, which I'm glad for because you don't

964
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:47.199
want those things recognizing that you're recognizing
them. And you didn't look over and

965
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.840
didn't do anything, just kept walking
and I'm looking, and then I look

966
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:55.119
at the women and I'm like,
do you see this? And I'm looking,

967
01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.239
I'm like, look, do you
see this? And they just stopped

968
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:00.239
and looked at it, looked at
me, and they're like they didn't see

969
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.680
anything. And at this point,
because we're driving, we've already passed it,

970
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:08.960
I'm like, did you see that
back there, and they were like,

971
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.399
oh, we're almost Theremonica, and
just don't be mirrored. And I

972
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.640
remember getting back to camp. I
don't even know that they like, they

973
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:21.920
just said, we didn't see anything
and just ignore it. We got back

974
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:27.319
to camp and I was sleeping in
the back of my SUV for this particular

975
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.840
trip because it was only a couple
of nights, and I remember crawling into

976
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.600
the back of the suv and I
was like, please Lord, let me

977
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:39.680
go to sleep immediately, because I
don't want to roll over in this thing's

978
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.760
ugly little faces in my window looking
at me. Thank yeah. And I

979
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.359
was thinking, God, I hope
I don't have to go to the bathroom

980
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:53.239
in the middle of the night because
I'm not getting out of this car.

981
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:57.800
It freaked me out because I mean, it was a duinde. I mean

982
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.520
it was a little it was one
of the little people right Folkloret. And

983
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:04.960
I'm thinking, I don't know why
it shocked me and unnerved me so much,

984
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:09.319
because I mean, heck, I'm
out here looking for Bigfoot, but

985
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:15.319
it did. And I just remember
thinking, I just want to go to

986
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.399
sleep, and I really hope I
don't have to go to the bath and

987
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.159
that was the last night we were
there. I was thinking, thank God.

988
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.439
Yeah, weird stuff always happens on
the last night. From I mean

989
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:30.960
from what i've it's just something about
last the last night, that's when the

990
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.279
weird stuff happens for me. Right, you also had we had been talking

991
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:39.159
earlier, So you've got You've got
a show that's just starting up, right,

992
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:44.960
I do over on YouTube. I've
got Paranormal World, which is my

993
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:50.640
new podcast that I'm doing, and
what I'm really talking about, probably the

994
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:54.520
first few episodes, is just letting
everybody get to know me a little better.

995
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:59.439
I'm on the Texas Front Porch platform
yep, so if you look for

996
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:01.840
Texas Porch you'll see me. I'm
doing live streams. I'm not doing pre

997
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.560
records, so it won't be under
videos. It will be under live but

998
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:09.760
you should be able to see that. Come check me out. I've also

999
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:15.039
co hosted a few of their like
Texas Front Porch and Blondes and Booze.

1000
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:18.279
I've co hosted with them. I
was on with Josh Turner the other night

1001
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:24.199
interviewing with him. Oh cool,
yeah, and he invited me to come

1002
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.199
and co host with him on Friday
or Saturday nights. Wow, because he's

1003
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:32.479
starting up something new. But I'm
really just wanting to share all of my

1004
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:40.279
stories because I've had weird things happen
to me from an extremely early age.

1005
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.880
And I've seen ghosts, Like I
said, I've had a phantom car roll

1006
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.960
up on me. I've seen unexplained
misty shapes. I've seen everything but UFOs

1007
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:55.479
in Bigfoot. Really at the end
of the day, Wow, we're going

1008
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:59.600
to be talking about that, and
of course we'll have guests on and just

1009
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.960
like we're talking now, just having
a nice conversation, bound some things off

1010
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.640
each other. Texts and Brandy were
both on with me tonight, but I

1011
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:10.560
think typically it's going to be one
or the other will be co hosting with

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me. That's awesome, that's really
cool that you're going to be involved something

1013
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:20.680
with Josh Turner as well over on
that platform is pretty cool as well.

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But offered, I mean, it's
whether or not I don't know. I

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mean, I don't know that I
can do it this weekend because I think

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he was asking me to come on
tomorrow night or Saturday night, but it's

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01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:32.600
good Friday and it's Easter weekend.
We got a lot of stuff planned.

1018
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.800
So yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, he was very generous and

1019
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:40.439
he was he said, well,
if it's not this weekend, then maybe

1020
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.640
next weekend. But I mean,
he's a really good guy. I do

1021
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.399
like him a lot. That's what
I hear, that he's a good guy.

1022
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:51.000
Monica has been really fun chatting with
you. It's been a long time

1023
01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:56.840
coming, but I'm glad we're able
to finally chat. Do you mind taking

1024
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:00.720
a few minutes to just we did
talk about the podcast is stuff. Is

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01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:05.520
there any other way that people can
keep up to date with what you're doing

1026
01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:11.960
or how to contact you if they
want to reach out to you specifically about

1027
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:16.720
maybe something that you were mentioning during
your interview. Sure, you can always

1028
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.239
reach out to me. I mean
you can reach out to me through Facebook.

1029
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:25.439
I'm very cautious with who I friend, but I believe you can still

1030
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:30.439
send me messages. So my Facebook
is Monica Frank Rowlins. I've got my

1031
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:35.960
maiden name in there. You can
also reach me through Instagram Monica Underscore Rolins.

1032
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:42.560
I've also got Strange South Radio over
there. It's another profile from a

1033
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:47.600
podcast I had a long time ago. I haven't set up because my podcast.

1034
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:50.720
Our Paranormal World is still very new. I have to set up all

1035
01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:56.800
of my social media posts for that, but I'll be advertising them promoting them

1036
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.760
on all of my other platforms,
so if you're following, you'll be able

1037
01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.079
to see when those roll out.
And if you want to reach me by

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01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:12.439
email, the best way to do
that is Strangesouth Radio at gmail dot com.

1039
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.800
Awesome, very cool. We thank
you so much for coming on,

1040
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:18.920
Monica. It has been a pleasure. Thank you for having me. It's

1041
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:24.159
been a joy to talk. I
really enjoyed it. Just wanted to take

1042
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.239
a few minutes to say thank you
to you all my listeners for listening to

1043
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.720
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1051
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:09.359
All right, I'm going to use
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1052
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:14.680
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1053
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:18.119
presenting or anything, but I'll be
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1054
01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:23.920
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1055
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:28.119
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1056
01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:30.960
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1060
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1061
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:57.079
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1062
01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:00.680
extremely appreciate it. One more thing. Okay, here's the deal. So

1063
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:05.800
we're at the point, guys where
it is there's no stopping us. We

1064
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:12.600
are going to full time podcast,
No matter what, but I need your

1065
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:18.239
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1066
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:24.359
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1067
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:30.319
actually able to go to places people
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1068
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.399
interview them face to face, check
it out for myself, all that good

1069
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:42.079
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1070
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1071
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1072
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It's going to help us get to
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1073
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1075
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1076
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