Caught in the Headlights! | New Hampshire

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's account is from a man that mourned the loss of his best friend and trying to escape his thoughts with a midnight drive through the dark woods of New Hampshire. But what he found on Stevens Hill Road was enclosure. It was eight and a half feet tall, humanoid, intelligent and staring back at him through a cloud of frozen breath. This is the story of Evan and what he saw that night. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. We got the privilege of talking to Evan today from New Hampshire. Sasquatch. You may have heard that term brought up in maybe a small town Monster production about New Hampshire.

0:43 But Evan, welcome to the show. How's it going. Today, Hey Jeremiah, how are you doing. I'm doing great. You know, it's tough to get people from your state or New England onto the show. I talked to a lot of people from you know, Pacific Northwest, but it is always fun to talk to people from New England. I myself grew up about five hundred feet away from New Hampshire. That's over in route ten, just you know, kind of south of Keyene and Swansea and all that area. So I think in a different area of the state, but you know, in New Hampshire is such a beautiful area and I'm finding more and more that there are definitely there's big foot activity happening in this state. Listeners will remember that I actually just talked to an individual that I hope this will be out that had a few things happen in Bearbrook State Park to the just outside of Conquered in Manchester. I believe so.

1:48 But yeah, Evan, you know, do you mind taking a few minutes talking about Sharon how you were able to first get involved with the sasquatch phenomenon to begin with. Yeah, so back in I believe it was twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic started. My ex girlfriend actually had the idea of me starting a page after I had an encounter the year prior, in twenty eighteen, and basically it was a perfect timeframe. You know, I just had my kid in January of twenty twenty, and that's where I really started kicking it off. I wanted to get a little bit more representation for New Hampshire as a whole and the Northeast for that matter, since I've grown into that footprint, so to say, so, I try to give a voice to the people that really don't have like these outlets like they do out in the Pacific Northwest with a far south. Up in the Northeast, it's really taboo to say the least. Yeah, we have like the Krippozoology Museum up in Portland, Maine, but we really don't have a lot otherwise, a lot of the BFRO researchers aren't exactly active anymore. So I decided to jump

3:19 in and take that, take that little space in there, kind of fill the power gap in a way. That's fantastic. So it sounds like you kind of got involved with things around well really probably the same time that a lot of people listening to this. There was, you know, around the time of the pandemic and twenty nineteen, et cetera, twenty twenty. A lot of people I think got into the subject because they were bored or they need something to do. And you know mine was I got started around February twenty nineteen myself. But you know, you mentioned that you had had an actual sighting that kind of kick things off as well. Do you mind sharing about what you experienced with your sighting out there in New Hampshire.

4:17 Yeah, so this happened the night after well, the night of Thanksgiving back in twenty eighteen. So I was driving around one night on Stephen Stephens Hill Road over in Nottingham, New Hampshire, and I was going pretty quickly. At the time. I was mourning the loss of one of my best friends that passed away just prior. And as I was taking a corner on Stevens Hill Road, my high beams in my twenty fifteen Nissan Altima that I had at the time picked up well I thought to be reflectors on a tree, and as I got closer, basically an arm raised up to block out what I came to find out was these creatures eyes. This creature I affectionately nicknamed Quincy based off the pond that's just to the south, literally a couple hundred feet away from where I had my encounter, was standing on the side of the road, almost like I caught it in mid stride, and I remember I came to a stop. I can't exactly remember how far was away. I think it was around like twenty thirty feet roughly, and I stopped, and as I

5:49 was sitting there, it slowly wrote lowered its arm away from its eyes, and its eyes were like this brick auburn red reflection. It wasn't like an eye well, it was eyeshine. It was not any form of bioluminescence or like glowing. I only knew this because it turned its head at one point and it lost that eye shine. So it kind of looks at me, kind of like a disappointed parent would, kind of like what are you doing here? Kind of like scolding me. And as I'm sitting there just in utter awe, it puffs out its cheeks and a plume of steam from its mouth, just absolutely so that basically makes like a cloud around it because of the cold weather and all that. And then it turns, looks over to its left, looks back, and then goes down the hill to the side. A couple of descriptions about this creature, Well, this being that I noticed that has stuck with me. Some people make fun of me for it. Hence Brian Garvey, for example, one of your former guests. I did observe Genitalia. It was certainly a male,

7:22 and its four arms had longer hair on it almost kind of like a ringadang's And I can see when it had its arms up, it had the kind of like a reddish orange tint. Otherwise the hair was black, but that was from the high beams were going through, like the hair follicles and that type of stuff, and all the strand strands of hair. And you can see little bits of frost that were like entangled in the hair as well. I just want to point out real quick if people know the YouTube channel it was Brian and chew Ego Hiking.

8:08 That's that's the Brian Garvey that was just referred to. It's a good guy. Yeah, a little funny, Yeah, Yeah, I love I love Bryan. I love Bryan. It's a funny guy. So that is extremely interesting. Man. It makes you wonder, like the part where you said it puffed out its cheeks. I wonder if yeah, I wonder if it made any noise. But you wouldn't have been able to hear because you're inside the car. But you hear so many witnesses sometimes they'll say like it made a noise, like a huff or a huffing noise, you know what I mean. So when I was in my car. I remember I was specifically listening to a song called Campfire Cologne, and I remember I was not able to hear it, well hear the quincy as I call him, make the noise, and I had it pretty high up in the value to say the least, you know, trying to drown out the thoughts of loss in a way. But yeah, I mean, I'm kind of scared to know what it would sound like if I did hear it without anything disturbing us, like the music.

9:28 Remind me again how recent it was that you had, so that the loss you were going through that was very very recent. With yes, like within you know, within twenty thirty days. Yeah, okay, Yeah, the guy that passed away was basically I grew up with him. He was basically my brother at that point. So have you this is this is a really is a tricky is a tricky tricky topic because there's, you know, this really emotional time that is involved for you. But it's it's a pattern that I've noticed where sometimes if there's like a really intense traumatic event that can have some kind of connection with these sightings. Have you ever thought of that yourself or or have any thoughts about that?

10:35 You know, I really haven't thought about it too much, like as like I've began to like research and all that I'm not a fan of, like the whole supernatural aspect of it, or you know, some other questionable topics that some people claim to believe in. But you know, I have heard, as you mentioned, of people like having a traumatic experience before that before their encounter. You know, it's you know, very possible. Maybe just I think our paths just crossed, and uh, in life, that's all. I think it was just happened to be in the right place at the right time, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, as some people would say when they come across something that can be as life changing as sighting.

11:36 Absolutely, I'm not sure if I will keep this in but for curiosity's sake, because you did bring it up. So when you you visually saw that it was a male, is that just that it was quite evident or where there things happening that made Brian pretty much made make fun of you for it because you brought it up. You know, he no, he's you know, I love Brian. Me and him joke around about it all the time. It's just funny because not a lot of people bring it up. Let's just say I just got a good view of it for the most part, since it was like right at my head level, straight ahead. Oh wow.

12:21 So yeah, so, and we we joke around about it when we go to Whitehall and you know, we meet up for like other excursions and that type of stuff. You know, every once in a while, we'll always poke fun at it. But yeah, I'm not sure how much in detail you want me to go down on. Yeah, you know, it's it is really you bring up the point where and some witnesses do definitely bring this up. Is that just the viewpoint of in being a car like that, you know, you were kind of lower and on the ground. Right lower mid size you know, well yeah, lower midsize sedan, I mean around that, yeah, probably would be around it's like hip area would be the top of the car roughly, probably a little bit lower.

13:24 Did you notice anything out of the ordinary the way that it was moving as it continued to walk into the woods. Just that it was I mean, it was covering a good bit of hair, but it was It wasn't like seeing a deer. It wasn't like you can tell that this thing, you know, had more than two brain cells. I just told it to, you know, walk across the road, eat and breed. This thing definitely had an intelligence to it. It.

14:05 I don't want to call it predatory, but it definitely had like this conscious look to it. It was the more and more I think about it, it had like a purpose on like how it was moving. It was thinking, you know, And we actually have a theory that came up after this. I don't want to get too far, but it might have been looking out for another individual as well, gotcha. But it expressed like attitude and like questioning in a way kind of like the face was definitely like a why are you here? That person isn't supposed to be out here at this time of night.

14:51 Absolutely, it's you know, there's a difference, at least I think personally, and other people might think differently. But you know, you look at an animal like a let's see, well let's say a dear, you look at a human and it's you're looking at a different type of thing. I mean, yeah, one can show emotions, the other one not really unless I just don't get out in the woods and I'm not a hunter, so maybe they do, and I just don't know, but yeah, that's that's that's extremely interesting. You were able to see, you know, take a look in its face for a bit. And I'm sure you've heard different people talk about how how the Bigfoot looked when they had their sighting. Were there any features about the face that stick out in your memory that were like, yeah, that the one thing was just very very strange.

15:59 You know. I want to quote Animal Planet from back in the day, and I say surprisingly human their old motto that they have there. I described the face as looking almost like of like Pacific Island descent or like Native American descent. Just like the facial features, like some of the cheek, the no structure, the brow structure. It looked a lot more like a human or like proto human than it would have like an ape.

16:41 That makes sense. Were you able to notice anything about the eyes at all? Nothing, nothing besides like the actual like eyeshine that was reflecting. I mean, they're pretty big eyes. But like I mentioned to you before, you know, eyes are like the doorway to the soul. You can tell that there was something intelligent behind its eyes. It's not just blankly looking at you like a moose or deer that are just programmed off of just instinct and you know, either the need of food or water, shelter or reproduction or self perseverance, absolutely preservation.

17:35 My apologies, I may have missed taking a note on this. Did you happen to mention how tall you would approximate it to be? So, when before Brian and I went out to you know, investigate it, I believed it to be around the high sixes low sevens seven and maybe seven and a half or lower in that area. When we went back out we measured it, it was around about eight and a half foot. Yeah, around the eight and a half foot area in the way that I tell where I can go with well, the reason why I can have such a good reference with it is this road, stevens Ville Road, and you it's just a very very I mean, it's pretty a narrow dirt road. It's not too narrow. You can still get by with two vehicles. But when the snowplows go through there, the snowplows are hitting trees and all different types of stuff. So there's a nice nasty mark from a snowplow on one of the trees that I can identify where I have the encounter and that's a reference point that I have, and that's where we measured off of.

19:03 Gotcha, you'd mentioned moose earlier, and you know I've taken a few trips up to northern New Hampshire, so I've seen more than a few moose, and I'm sure you have as well. How did this? How did this guy? Or you know what you saw? How did it? You know, if you were to put it next to a normal size let's say, male moose, would it be would it be uh, would it be around the same size or a little bit shorter or or what do you think? You know? I got to be really subjective with the whole moose thing, because there is a lot of different sizes when it comes to moose. I mean you have the ones that range up from like Alaska. I mean even in this area in New Hampshire, you have like some that are definitely off of I'm differently gene Pool.

20:02 I meant to call them the Northern giants for like just how big they actually can be. I would say that it was probably a round the size of or a little bit bigger than a full grown bowl. Okay, so. Definitely definitely, definitely big. And that was one of the things that I like, if it was a little bit you know, shorter around like the six foot around that area, I would say like, yeah, it was around the same size or a little bit bigger. But this thing was definitely bigger after the amount of moves I've seen in comparing it, especially when I went out recently and just thought about that exact topic, this thing was bigger. It wasn't a whole lot bigger, but it was. It wasn't like this big like tank. It was muscular, It was proportionate.

21:04 Some people describe this assquatch that they see as blocky. Mind was more like a kind of like an apathletic build. But yeah, I mean definitely was bigger than probably a bull, not including the antlers. Gotcha. Some people will say witnesses will describe the head shape in different ways. Do you remember anything to do with the shape of the head of what you saw? It was more or less regular shape. I know a lot of people, and this is where I go back and reflect on a lot of people describe it as like a gorilla or even like a chimpanzee or anything like that. There was no like conical headshet. It was a pretty normal headshape. Then again, it did have a good bit of hair, so that could be deceiving. And you also have to remember it was nighttime. It was pretty pretty uh dark out, especially in that area, so there was that aspect of it. But I do not recall seeing any conical shape. I don't remember like seeing like the kind of like the neck muscles making it was kind of like necklace as people UH describe. It was a very very close to like a extremely large

22:39 human being, so as I would describe with the primal features. Right, did it show its teeth at any time when you were looking at it? Didn't it? So from what I recall, it did not like flare its teeth at all. I know a lot of primates as like a simic corression. People will like say, oh, the monkey's smiling at me at the zoo or anything like that, and it will be the territorial display or just like a threatening display kind of like chimps doe. Nothing like that at all.

23:20 When you had this sighting and then it went away into the words how did this immediately affect you at that point. More or less? I mean I was younger back then. If I was older, i'd probably have a better hold on my emotions and that type of stuff and able to process it more. But it was more likely, well it was more so I just bleep and saw it's that. Squatch before this uh sighting you had, was it a thing where you were into the subject at all, or did it just this came out of you know, left field and you're like, oh my goodness, I'm having a citing what is this? Or did you already kind of know what you were? You were in the middle of.

24:21 So that I mean, I was in my younger years. I was into cryptozoology as I got older, you know, in my late mid late teens, and that type of stuff. That's where I started to sort of lose interest in a way. And I because I was seeing a lot of like just fake stuff popping up and a lot of people promoting you know, fake blatantly fake in hoaxes, which is basically at the the point that I was.

25:02 But yes, I did have a little bit of interest in uh, you know the unknown, you know, Bigfoot, Yes, was one of them. But it wasn't like a total like Bigfoot on the brain sort of thing. Right. It sounds like you were not going out that night to be like, Okay, I'm gonna go see if I can. See at right. Yeah, now you're probably just, I would guess, trying to clear your head. And that's what happened. Yeah, it was a pretty traumatic time, as you can imagine. And I mean, yeah, like have I played around with like the thought of Bigfoot before and you know, the ideas watching at that point? Yeah, I mean, because that was at like the golden age of you know that sort of TV. You know, Finding Bigfoot was in a pretty good swing back then. A lot of people are watching Finding Bigfoot, which I definitely don't believe a lot of you know, the mainstream media stuff at all, But you know, it's the friends I had back then. We were definitely into like the whole adventuring. We were hiking a lot, all that stuff. We love the sense of adventure, not known, but that's as far as I would put it.

26:24 So then after you have this sighting, and then I would imagine you keep on driving, do you end up going directly to home? Do you talk to people about what happened? Or is this something where you keep it to yourself for a while. I kept it to myself for a while. I didn't really speak to anybody after my buddy's funeral, So I kept it to myself and I only brought it up to my ex because she brought it up. And you know, it took a little bit of time from me to like bring it up to her, but you know, she brought it up like the whole mystery and unknown stuff before that, So yeah, I mean it definitely took me a while. Then I started hearing podcasts and all that type of stuff, you know, people sharing their encounters experiences, and then I realized, as I mentioned, like, hey, I'm not hearing anything about Hampshire. I'm not hearing anything about the northeast or anything like that. So you know, the thought of it kind of, you know, welled up over time, and that's how I got here today.

27:43 That's awesome. I would imagine that you've probably done a bit of research into this area where you had your sighting, Is that right? Yes? Okay, are there any other situations that you've uncovered or things about the area that kind of helps lend credence to the encounter that you had in that area? So, I mean, I'm sure you're aware from having Brian Garvey on and me and him were going to document the areas where we both had our encounters. And this was back in I believe twenty twenty two, around the end of March. We met up in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Portsmouth Newington, New Hampshire that day. Brian lives down in Rhode Island, so he had to meet me up here and he had his encounter up in the northern New Hampshire, up in the White Mountains with his tent encounter. So we were going to go document those, you know, kind of get like a whole gist of what happened, kind of like story tell along in a way that like what happened with me here today. So we go to stephen Hill Road and we pull a little pull off

29:14 area right down the road and Brian always has his skill pro on, even for Chewie. So as we're walking, you know, he is recording, and I point out the area where it happened along the side of the road and I'm always looking at the ground for tracks, always trying to observe and to the right side of the road. There was an impression that Chewey almost stepped in, so I told Chewie, hey, Chewie, no, kind of get him away from the area, and I'm kind of looking at it, and it's the shape of a bipedal you know, foot along the lines of what a person's or a sasquatches a humanoid foot front. I see tone impressions. So I stand up. I'm just like, I mean, I'm sure for the people that might have seen the video, we're both freaking out, you know, we could not believe at that point that we possibly came across an impression like that.

30:31 So Brian and I decide to, you know, look around. I found one more impression on my on the right side of the road where we found the original print and a couple other you know, indentations in the leaves behind it, and on Brian's side the road. He's looking on his side and he finds, well, it's basically the what I can remember the best track that we got out of the trackway up on the side of the slope going towards the woods and a set of power lines which you know, I'll get to with you later, but yeah, we found to very prominent toe impressions and we're freaking out, and we call our friend Alex Batakov, which I'm sure, well, I know you're familiar with, So we get him out there and we get everything properly documented, because there's, to our knowledge, besides what someone had on the BFRO, there was not a properly catalogued trackway in the state of New Hampshire or for the most part, in the Northeast in general. So yeah, that was our goal at the time. Had some weird encounters with the

32:04 local people passing through there in which I've never seen more cars pull through there, And you just have me standing with my vehicle right over one of the tracks to try to make sure no one hit it, and even to the point that someone with a little boat pulled up try down to get down to Quincy Pond, which is a small, small little boat boat ramp sort of thing. You can only bring like a little paddle boat or canoe or anything like that with a trolling motor or anything. That's all. That's the biggest nautical vehicle that you can bring. And I'm standing over there in the way of these guys, and I don't want to tell them what's going on because I don't want to look like a crazy person, even though I was basically making myself look like a crazy person standing over this track and making sure that they don't step in it.

32:58 So yeah, we got some pretty good cast from that. We got well documented. Alex caught up Cliff Barrettman, you know, try to get some tips on how to cast these things, because we just want to have these things properly cast and properly documented. Got his help, you know, so, and Alex sent out you know, photos and that type of stuff to different researchers and that type of stuff. So yeah, that was definitely one of the biggest things that happened at that location, to say the least. I mean, especially almost exactly in the same spot that I had my encounter years prior.

33:41 That is that's fantastic. And as you're talking about that the events, I'm like, okay, yeah, I remember, I am remembering this now. Yeah, but it's so cool that it happened in pretty much the same area. Have you heard of of other actual sightings happening in the same area as well? Yeah, actually, so we so real quick. I apologize for getting sidetracked, but there was a theory that we came up with because we believe that my the sasquatch that I saw was definitely bigger when produced. The bigger prince.

34:24 We believe that there was possibly a juvenile that night when I was out there, and that those prints were possibly the same juvenile from that made the Prince definitely older now. But I believe that's the reason why he kind of quincy looked over to his side, possibly to get maybe a member of his family or anything like that, a chance for them to get away by distracting me by standing there like he did and not just taken off immediately. So there is that. That's a little theory that we have about that one. But yes, back to what you're saying with encounters in the area, we actually uncovered a fair number of encounters that happened within that facility.

35:17 And when it comes to that there, I mean, Quincy Pond is a great water source for them, and it's also right off a huge set of power lines that go across a good portion of the state, at least the eastern part of the stake. And there was one guy that was directly through the woods that had two different town police officers come out to investigate something that clearly had two feet stomping around his property and the ice in the marsh behind his property. I cannot bring up his name because he does not want to share his name. The last time I checked with him, but he was interviewed by Alex on the Small Town Monsters documentary.

36:14 It was a smaller documentary that they did for that. It was I believe it was a beyond a trail episode. But yeah, we had a report come off of the BFRO which I have yet to find out who exactly this person is, but I am familiar with the area itself where it happened. And they reported seeing a blue eyed sasquatch while they were riding a bike, which is pretty intriguing, which I've never heard of that, but it's definitely very very interesting in that case. And there's been reports from bear Brook, which aren't far which isn't far away.

37:03 A couple of years ago, I was talking to a woman. I complimented her on her shirt. She had a big foot on her shirt and uh, that was stealing some beer and I told her nice shirt, and she looked at me. She was like, oh, thank you. You know they're real right told me about that, saying that she saw her route I went cross the road on Route four which is just to the north. Didn't get a lot of info out of her since I was working at a different place at that time and it would not be appropriate for me to go on and ask stuff like that. But yeah, so we uncovered quite a bit report and even some that came from patuck Away to the south to patuck Away State Park, which is fairly busy and trafficked I believe affect state Park, but there is some pretty wild areas in there that not a lot of people go.

38:09 That is that is really interesting. So there's people that have had visual sightings in patuck Away. You're saying, correct, Okay, there's been vocal encounters in patuck Away. I believe I have a couple on my page. Unfortunately, I need to get a lot more organized with my research stuff since I was out of it for a little bit, and you know, being someone that was in their early twenties when they first started out, Instagram was my main way of storing my documents, and unfortunately I did lose some based off of well from Google and you know, trusting to save messages on Instagram where some people would actually they send it and they would have I believe it's called vanish mode on so it would delete their encounter and I wish I could reach out to those people, but people are pretty skeptical and pretty well they like to keep to themselves with stuff around here, and it's very taboo with the topic a sasquatch in Northeast, to say the least. Besides if he goes like Whitehall or one of those areas, because there's definitely a lot of crazy people that you know, they play in that you know, Bigfoot took their beef jerky or something weird like that, or Bigfoot goes in sort of house and has tea with them, which that's literally some things that

39:42 I have reports on. Oh gosh, and you've taken those yourself. You're saying, yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously you've got to vet a lot of the people that, I mean, send you reports you got, I would have to. I've had a now one hundred and fifty reports a little bit over since I started. It's definitely slowed down a little bit because I haven't been too active over the last year to two years. But I plan to get more active, thankfully with that. But yeah, there's been way too many people that are out there that think that I mean, sasquatching aliens will go in their living room and that type of stuff will walk right up to their house in the middle of a city. For some people that I know, they know the story of an individual that had aliens going into his house as well as sasquatch coming to dance on his property listening to music in middle of downtown Nashua, which is pretty out there.

41:01 That's pretty intense. Oh yeah, do you. Have any thoughts? You know? Well, I if a person who's not familiar with with sasquatch, if I said, hey, look at a map of New Hampshire, make sure that you can see where the mountains are. What's your guests as to where the sasquatch are, they'd probably say, oh, I'm seeing all these mountains up to the north where it says White Mountain National Forest. Do you think that these are sightings spread out pretty much all throughout the entire state or do you think there's just parts where there's going to be more sightings like this area that you guys have kind of found in the southeast part of the state.

41:50 Well, so I look into a lot of areas, not just New Hampshire and not just southern New Hampshire. I actually just having report come to me from a pretty I I don't want to say the exact area, but an area of some high strangeness, as I gotta say, a lot of history, Bigfoot, even UFOs, ghosts, you know that type of stuff. It's it's a lesser known area. It's actually referred to as a triangle. It's I'm just going to say the name of the not the exact name of the area, but it's called the Aspy Triangle, which is basically New Hampshire's you know, either Bennington Triangle or the Bridgewater Triangle down in mass So, I mean, there's definitely some hotspot areas that we have up here in a Hampshire, but they pretty are pretty widespread. We even have some reports that come closer to the sea coast, which is pretty surprising. You know. Some of them aren't the most what's the word I'm looking for, not probably reliable source, but a lot of them are that are

43:20 the reliable sources come from like these very obscure and remote areas, and I always try to look for reports that have specific areas with them, but they definitely appear to take They definitely appear to like to travel along the power lines and the warmer areas of warmer pockets such as like sear swamps where like moose will also go into in the winter, or where like the food is you know, in seasons such as blueberries. We don't have like the elk, herds and different type of game area animals that they do over in the Pacific Northwest, so it's not like a whole thing of them, like migrating in the same spot, tracking herds and all that type of stuff. Blueberry season when that comes around, yes, I have no as a correlation with that. I noticed that quite a few of them are in mountain corridors and even the Appalachian Trail. But I can definitely tell you this when it comes to reports, I think I may have besides my own, a couple of reports that happened in the winter time or at least when all

44:50 the leaves are off the trees, even though mine happened on Thanksgiving that I haven't seen much go on beyond that. They are definitely food driven, as it appears around here, and I think that if they were around up here in the wintertime we have an extremely active winter motorsports and even snowsports in general, I think there would definitely be a lot more track signes for anything like that. If they were staying up here year round, or if they were traveling around in the winter time at least I definitely think they might go south or in southern areas via the at or different routes like that.

45:47 And two provide some examples. There's a lot of listeners that won't really get the whole winter sports motorsports thing. It's such a big deal. Like you've got snowmobiles or snow machines however you want to call them. In New Hampshire. From southern New Hampshire, you can drive a snowmobile all the way up to the Canadian border. At least you used to be able to. I don't know if you can't. Correct, but yeah, you can use still can. There's multiple there's multiple ways of doing it, and you can go completely unnoticed by a car for that matter, So I'm driving a car for from most people besides hearing your snowmobile or anything like that.

46:32 Absolutely, have you ever heard any reports of interactions where a bigfoot has been seen, like taking down a moose or anything. I was I was just trying to think. I don't think I have myself personally, so. I haven't I don't believe I have anything about a moose specifically. I have heard reports of them like taking deer down. I have a couple of report. I have one report of one that was walking down a road, a back road in Strafford County with one hanging over his shoulder as I was walking using the path of leash resistance down the road. And I've definitely had And this is another thing that's gonna bother my buddy Brian mc garvey. He will know with the moult Cabot report that we have, they seem to be not so friendly towards dogs, at least a good portion of them when a dog will go after them, or they will try to ambush a dog at times, as it seemed with the Mount Cabot report. There's definitely it's definitely more aggression

48:04 towards them with dogs. But I haven't heard anything as in like moose for example. I mean, moose are few and far between up here anyways, Like you won't even notice them half the time. If they're standing in the woodline on the Sabath Road. They're very obscure. Not a lot of people go, you know, tracking them. It's not very smart to say the least, and I've definitely had some not so smart choices I've made myself with a moose, but they're very, very obscure. And if something like that is able to hide, such as a moose, sasquatch or you know what we call sasquatch, bigfoot, whatever you want to call it, I don't think they, especially with their level intelligence, they want to have an issue getting around detected themselves.

49:03 Yeah, moose are such a weird thing there. You don't mess with them because they'll they'll walk right over your car, that's for sure. You better hit it and reverse and get out of there. At least that's what That's what I've stop in northern New Hampshire back in the day. Do you have any thoughts getting back to Bigfoot? Do you have any thoughts about what you think it is that we're dealing with When let's say a person asks, hey, what do you feel bigfoot is out there? Maybe undiscovered primate or a lost the ancestor on the human tree. Any thoughts about that?

49:44 So you know, I'm fairly big believer. I mean, if not entirely, I think it can go down two different ways. You have like Gigantopithecus black which is in our fossil records, which is basically a sasquatch all of its own, basically to the tea. I mean, it's a lot bulkier, but we have that in the fossil records, and the way that we actually discovered that creature was in an old Chinese medicine shops where they would actually grind up the teeth of a gigant Epithegus as medicine. So there is that.

50:30 So who's to say that, you know, there's not other places that are I mean, such as like native tribes and that tip of stuff, which almost every single Native American tribe, at least natives to North America and around the world. We all have our own stories of sasquatch. Everywhere besides Antarctica has history of sasquatch from their native tribes, Aboriginal tribes, vibes absolutely every single one. So I definitely think that they do break off into like different subgroups, and I think that they are either descendants of well, I'm almost certain Jack anthrolopithic is Blackie, or at least a relative of that, which you know, they could have definitely crossed with humans at some point, but I'm not too sure where that would be. Well, I'm not going to say Homo sapian exactly, but it could have been you know, Homo erectus or anything like that. I think we definitely there could have been a common ancestor in that matter.

51:52 That's that's really interesting. It's it is. It's crazy how with this subject there's even you can get into, you know, just different parts of it. I think that's that's a big part, is what is it exactly? You can really go down that rabbit trail. Another thing that I've noticed with encounters that I take, and I guess more on the West coast, But do you guys out there ever get any reports where the witness will say it looked like in orangutan or in the face or the way it was moving. Does that ever come up in witness reports that you receive out there?

52:37 So yeah, I mean we definitely have reports that are different as in like, you know, you have some that look like an orangutan, you got some that look like a chimpanzee. Even one more recent report describe the mouth, the shape, the jaw shape as more more or less like in a muzzled type of Look, I'm not saying like a you know, a dog man type of thing, which I'm not exactly a fan of the whole dog man, not going to go into that, but I mean, how many different types of primates are out there. There's many, many types, a lot of which that we even share our DNA with. We're just another type of primate that's walking around. So I mean, we got the ones like mine that looks like a proto human or like a native person, kind of like the mixed features in that you have like a gugwie that almost reminds me of from the reports of a babboon, which it has the same temperament basically as some babboons, very aggressive. And then you have like the skunk ape that kind of sounds more like a ringutan, or you have the ones that look like a chimpanzee. There's many, many I believe that there is different types, at least different genetic differences and

54:12 possibly different regional variants. I mean, you can look at Darwin for example, it down in the Galopaclos Islands. You had different types of birds that had different types of beaks based on if they ate seeds or if they cracked nuts or anything like that. So there's a lot of things that you have to look at with evolution. There could be different evolution points, there could be different you know, traits being passed along different diets. There's a lot of different things that we have to consider. A lot of different bloodlines. I mean, not all big foot are going to be related to the cousin level in a way, especially the ones that are being reported over on Australia where I mean, yes, they're similar, they're not exactly the same, but you're not going to have like, they're not going to be related. They're not going to be It's going to be like me talking to you, Me and you are probably not related, right, probably not.

55:19 So that's yeah, So that's where I gotta, you know, throw that point out there. It's not it's definitely not going to be all the same creatures. You're gonna have different genes passing through different traits in general, kind of like blue eyes and brown eyes or blue eyes, blonde hair, red hair and you know, black hair, any of that. That's going to be different. People that have larger noses, some people that have you know, more pronounced teeth. You're not going to have the same the same genetics. So yes, I think that there's going to be different mixes between the genealogy between different squatch related creatures.

56:07 You mentioned brought up the most people hold too that there's different like almost like different variants, right like Guguay et cetera. Do you yes, do you think from or from the reports that you've seen and taken from New Hampshire do you think there are different variants in New Hampshire or is it more one type that's seen over others? So yes, short answer, Yes, we up in New Hampshire have our own. Oh geez, yeah, you got me going down a rabbit hole right now. This is actually something that you would that'd be a great question for Alex Bettekov with this. Have you ever heard of the Hampshire what devil? Oh?

57:00 Yeah, up in Coos County. Oh yeah, the colossa yep. So they So those are described to be almost like a gangly humanoid. Some are described to be like silver hair, gray hair, kind of like a sickly kind of sasquatch type of look very very very slender. So we've had reports from up in Kolos County for years and years and years. I mean dating back to like the logging days up north. The whole loggers would say that they wouldn't even notice these creatures standing there because they'll blend right in with the trees.

57:47 And then when you notice them, it's reported some of them will let off a very terrible scream and run off. So there is those actually with that. I have a theory going on to Algonquin. I don't want to say mythology, but the Algonquin culture, the wind to Go. A lot of people visualize the image of a wind to Go having like a deer skull on its head, you know, with antlers and being like all gaunt and like basically a skeleton. They're not exactly right with that. When you actually look into the actual descriptions of a wind to Go, it's more or less a either like a tall kind of like malnourished, deranged looking person, very slender. They don't they're not muscular looking, very gaunt with an insatiable hunger.

58:55 So you have that what oddly relates to me on that that matches the same description in a way as the coos woods devil what wood devil? Sorry, So there is that. So my theory is is that these native cultures were kind of seeing a variant of you know, what could be Sasquatch, a variant of them, kind of like the Gugway or the skunk Ape, but to their own area, such as you know, as they describe the wind to go. So that's like the own like a regional variant for the northeast parts of Canada and those areas northeast New Hampshire into Maine. But it got more popular with the whole New Hampshire wood Devil instead of you know, traditional Sasasquatch.

1:00:04 That is that is really really interesting. It's you know, I've never looked a lot into the wood devil. I'm just you know, kind of more familiar with where it is and a little bit about it. But yeah, I'm sure people are still having sightings in that county to this day. Oh yeah they are, but it's not I think I have like maybe one or two reports. I know for sure I have one of a wood devil sighting. Wow. But this was from over twenty years ago, believe or not.

1:00:46 The guy described it almost to have the buttocks were a reddish color, almost like they're inflamed, and it was trying to I believe from what he was saying that try to steal fish while he was fishing one of the Connecticut lakes. So there is that, But we don't really get a lot of the reports of the wood devil all too much, especially in a more recent times. It's mostly you're run of the mill sasquatch report. Absolutely, is there a part in New Hampshire that you know, it keeps coming up through encounters and you're like, man, I gotta I gotta make it over there. But I just haven't been able to make it over there yet.

1:01:34 So I'm not going to share exactly right because I don't want. I don't there's a there's a lot of there's a lot of people that I wouldn't even call, you know, I would basically refer to them as a half of meepal. I won't even give them the liberty to say the least. And we have, you know, some researchers that have even well quote unquote researchs that have gone onto people's property without their permission and knocked on their door and that type of stuff, and like at night and all that. So I don't, I don't dare to share the exact location. So grafting County is on the BFRO database, and then you have I mean even the Bigfoot Mapping project. That's a great one right there.

1:02:29 But Grafting County has always been the most active according to like the BFRORO and certain databases. Now I would argue that there's some areas in southern Hampshire that are just as active. But if I would have to say, you know areas that are basically wild and mostly pristine for the most part, Coos County, Feral County, in Grafton County, which those are the northern parts of the state, but those are the most I mean, you go out there and it's like walking back in time in some of the areas. That's where a lot of our hiking is.

1:03:18 That's a lot, believe or not, that's where a lot of tourism is. But that's also where a very very hefty amount of the moose population is. Now. Of course, there's other areas. You have Rockingham County, which does have some reports, Strafford County, which is a county that I actually live in currently, which has actually been on the up and coming, kind of like the underdog in a way. I get some really cool reports from that area. Even though Rockingham County where it is where I had my encounter. It's a pretty close to Strafford County border, and I've even had some occurrences happen there. I don't so much here of a lot of stuff happening from like the bell Knapp County area, and I don't hear too much coming out of like the Peterborough area over you know where you said that you were from. So, but I definitely hear a lot of it happening up north in the Mountain Range, is for sure. Yeah.

1:04:34 Yeah, that Peterborough area is is really interesting because you had the reports of the Marlborough monkey back in the day. Yeah, that's kind of around I think that's around Manad Knock. Although I've gotten I've gotten a man I had a person reach out to me once about some sightings they had a Manad Knock. They wouldn't they would not come on record. It was like, oh, man, okay, well yeah that. Is around here. Yeah, that's exactly how it is. Yeah, exactly exactly. But it's wild because that's one of the most I think it's one of the most most hiked mountains in the world. Maybe it's second back or at least. I think it used to be second, but it's been a while since I've checked.

1:05:23 I believe it is. It's I mean, it's the most popular, at least in the northeast. There's tons and tons of people, and I've had reports come off of Manad Knock, specifically two that came off the Way Arrow Trail, which is very specific, and that's a pretty well traveled trail. But yeah, Manad Knock, I mean, there's definitely a lot of people, so naturally you're going to have possibly more reports come from that, where I have had other reports come from Menanok itself and the surrounding areas. But it's a lot of tourists that don't know, you know, if they could have been looking at a bear. I've been sent you know, supposed bigfoot vocalizations that have turned out to be an owl, specifically Bardel's when they're in their mating season. So there is that, So there's a lot of misidentification. That's why a lot of people have to be careful with that.

1:06:32 Extremely extremely interesting stuff. Man, it's such a cool it's a cool state. It's beautiful. The one of the last things I want to point out though, is you know listeners are like, oh, yeah, I should, I should just go out and look myself. Guys. Is like, you've really got to be careful. Like places like the White Mountains, they're they're very unforgiving. It's even though it's New England, like, you still have to be really careful when you go out into places like that. Make sure you have the right the right stuff and you know people know where you are, you have someone with you, like, yeah, it's just yeah. A lot of people, a lot of people describe the Hampshire is the worst part of the Appalachian Trail, and we have a lot of people die, we have a lot of people go missing, we have a lot of people get hurt in our mountains. They're not They're not like the mountains in the southern Appalachians where you know they're gradual, or the ones out west where you're going on switchbacks and that type of stuff and well maintained trails.

1:07:44 You're talking about some areas where you're going to be walking on the side of basically like a cliff in a way with ice, wet rocks, all that type of stuff. There's a lot of danger. There's a lot of when it comes to that we might not have like all these dangerous animals like some over in the West, I mean moose, they're not smart, they're very dangerous, they will charge you. But like we don't have grizzlies, we have black bears, which are definitely more watered down version, just as they can be very dangerous though. But the most dangerous part of it is our temperatures. We have the worst weather in the world. Mount Washington, we are literally called where it's literally called the home of the world's worst weather. You can go from having some in eighty degree weather to having complete fog, rain thunderstorms in the matter of minutes. It's like people can and will at her.

1:09:00 And it's not something that you want to go out and go like, oh, this will be easy. No, don't be stupid, be prepared, do your research. It's not saying that you want to take lightly. I mean, we just had a lady a couple of weeks ago, might have been last week, who fell off a gorge because she had her two children with her and she died from that. So it's not it can happen to anybody. It's not slaying to take lately. One, Devin, this has been a fascinating conversation about a state that isn't a lot on the show, but I'm glad when it is. Thank you for sharing your knowledge about New Hampshire. Do you mind talking a few minutes about how people can keep up to date with what you are doing with New Hampshire Sasquatch or contact you if needed.

1:09:59 Yeah. Absolute. So the main way that people can get in contact with me is New Hampshire Sasquatch at gmail dot com. That's all one word, so there is that. That's the best way to get a hold of me. Otherwise there is uh, there is my sorry my phone is cut out. There is my Instagram page where that's the most I'm the most active. Unfortunately, I have not been too active over the last few years, but I am getting back into it. I got a research partner out there with me now, but that is New Hampshire Saasquatch at well New Hampshire Saasquatch on Instagram, and I do have a YouTube channel for New Hampshire Saasquatch that's not too active, but I promise people I'm going to be getting more active on it. The last two years I've been rough, especially in the bigfoot community. There's a lot of things that are hoaxes and a lot of things that kind of degrade and some research researchers when some things are being put out there that aren't the most kosher, to say the least. But rest assured. I mean, the truth is out there and you got people like me, Alex Petikov, Brian Garvey, Mike Lucci, plenty of other different great people that I can list down. We're all out

1:11:31 there looking for the truth. And yeah, that's the best way to get a hold of me. Like I said in New Hampshire, saasquatch at gmail dot com, in New Hampshire Saasquatch on Instagram and YouTube. Fantastic. Well, Evan, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it absolutely. Jeremiah, it's been a pleasure. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the big Foot Society podcast. Evans encounter is the kind of story that lingers, not just because of what he saw in the dark, but because of how personal and raw the moment was. From a loss that weighed heavy on his soul to a creature that seemed almost aware of him. This story reminds us that sometimes the unexplainable finds us in our most vulnerable moments. The huge thanks to Evan from New Hampshire Sasquatch for sharing his incredible experience and for giving a voice to those in the Northeast who have stayed silent for far too long. And if you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the bell icon and share this episode with someone who's in a Bigfoot cryptid lore or the mysteries hiding in the woods of New England. And if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, hit the fallow button and if you can leave us a positive review, it really helps more people discover these stories on those platforms. And hey, if you or someone you know has had a big Foot encounter, especially in New England, I'd love to hear from you, so please email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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