June 9, 2025

Ceremonial Encounters with Chiye-Tanka

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Season 1

In this episode, host Jeremiah Byron talks with William, a helper to a spiritual leader, about his numerous Bigfoot encounters experienced during Native American ceremonies. These encounters happened in various locations, such as near Eugene, Oregon; the Sierra Madre Mountains; a site near Sandy Hook; and the Mt. Washington area of Massachusetts. William shares chilling stories of encountering Bigfoot during ceremonies, hearing mysterious wood knocks, and seeing orbs and red eyes in the dark. These experiences reveal the complex and spiritual relationship between Native Americans and Bigfoot entities. Listen in to explore these profound and mysterious encounters.

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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big for Society. I've

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got the privilege of talking to William today. William is

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a helper to a spiritual leader and he reached out

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to want to share some things that have happened at

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ceremonies over the years. So William, welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Jeremiah, it's a pleasure to be on.

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Absolutely should we also share right off the bat where

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these encounters are taking place as well.

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So we've had encounters outside of Eugene Oregon. We've had

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encounters up in the Sierra Madres close to a place

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called North San Juan. And we've had places we've had

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things happen to us out in New York, close to

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a place, a little town called Millerton. Those are the

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ones that I'm comfortable with.

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I know Millerton actually very well. I grew up on

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the East coast. That's very interesting. I'm going to let

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you go ahead and feel free to take us back

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to where we need to go and share with us

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what we can learn today.

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Okay, okay, So my first readings, you know, I was

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in sixty one, so I remember passing Gimlin film and

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then as a as a young teenager, was a little

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bit on the hell in side, and was sent to

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a place for troubled youth, let's put it at that.

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And I was into Bigfoot and their book came up,

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I don't remember which, and we were in the Black

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Hills of South Dakota, and I lived in South Dakota

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at that time, and we were a firefighting crew and

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a logging crew, and we were all into all kinds

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of crazy stuff. And I started having dreams about Bigfoot,

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and you know, the boys started getting nervous because you know,

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I was starting to see things and things were coming true.

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And that's another story. But anyways, we got through fire

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season and me and a guy who were in this

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facility decided that one night we were going to escape.

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I don't know where we were going, because we were

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deep in the hills of South Dakota and the Black Hills.

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And we went out a side door and we started

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walking through the brush and we were paralleling, paralleling a

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road that went up to the main highway. And as

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we were walking through there, we started hearing something shadowing us.

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And it's about the time the smell hit us, and

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then we heard like a rumble, and you know, we

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knew exactly what that was, and so we ran for

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the road and we turned ourselves in. And so I

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was sixteen, the first time that I really had an encounter.

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And so the years go by, and you know, we

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start to get older and we start learning things, and

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sometime in my let's see my early thirties, I started

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learning the ways of my people, and I became a

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helper to a spiritual leader, and he started teaching me things,

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and we started traveling, and we started doing a lot

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of spiritual things. And in two thousand and nine he

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had a dream or a vision about doing this ceremony

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to help missing children, and it was going to be

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a two day ceremony and there was going to be

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fastening and dancing, ceremonial dancing, and we were gonna pray

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for all the children that are missing. So in twenty

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ten he was having this outside of Eugene, Oregon, and

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we had never been there before, and it was like

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a lot of things that happened when you're trying to

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do a ceremony, things just fall together. And we found

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this property and this man let us use it, and

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on the first night, something happened at late at night.

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It was a scary thing that happened. I won't go

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into it, but something came that frightened us. And when

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we all gathered together underneath the nawning, it was raining,

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and probably about an hour into us being there and

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starting to relax after this scary event, woodknocking started. And

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we didn't know about wood knocking then, but it started

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and it probably went on once every ten f fifteen

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minutes until dawn, and we didn't know what it was,

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and now we do. And it was like something was

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sitting out there, and it was like knocking on the tree,

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letting us know that it's okay. Now we'll be afraid

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because a lot of these places that when we do

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these things, they happen in places that are very remote,

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very remote, you know, away from the public, so people

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can't come and spectate. It's imitation only. So we're usually

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way out in the middle of nowhere. And so we

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had that happen, and the spiritual Leader told us when

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the ceremony was over that it was Bigfoot. He used

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a different name. He uses a Lakota name, saying chi

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a Tonka. I hear people on the podcast which really

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try to say that word. It's Chia tonka. No. Chia

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is your older brother if you're a male, and tonky

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is something that's big. So to his people, the Lookota people,

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his people, chay Tonkami's my my big older brother. It's

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because of their relationship. And he told us that the

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Bigfoot had come around because in the medicine that he

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did leading that Bigfoot was a protector of children. And so,

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I mean, we had no reason to disaree. We didn't know.

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And that's when you know, we said, okay, and so

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we carried on and eleven and twelve happened, and then

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twelve we went to the east coast to look at

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some property for maybe doing this children's dance again, and

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then Sandy Hook happened, and so we decided that we

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would have this children's dance in twenty thirteen on this

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piece of property that was close to Sandy Hook. And

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when we got ready, you know, we always have some

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time to get ready, a couple of the people that

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we had were sleeping out by where we were going

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to do this, and they hurt something. And when they

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opened their tent, they saw a big black bigfoot run

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across the circle that hadn't set up to have the ceremony,

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and it really unnerved them, you know, and they right

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away came up to the house where everybody was getting ready,

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because natives liked to sit around and drink coffee and

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smoke cigarettes until the wee hours, and so they came

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up and they told everybody, and everybody went down and

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nothing happened. You know. It was a good thing, praying

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for those children, and we packed it up, and then

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in fourteen we went to the reservation for ceremony now

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on the reservation that he would take us to. When

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we would get there in middle June, there would always

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be to talk about who saw what? Where did you

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see the big Foot? Where did you see the chia tonk?

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Where did you see? People had sightings? And one of

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the people who came to this place we were at

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brought a recording, and you know, it was the first

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time I had ever heard that long, drawn out like scream.

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You know that they make the kind of like the

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Michigan Is it the Michigan tape, like the Ohio Ohio

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the Ohio. Yes. So we heard that and we we

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we heard that. We got there late, right, so it's

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about eight or nine o'clock, and we listened to that,

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and we went into lodge. And I won't give it

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any more than that. We went into lodge and we

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didn't come out until about midnight, right, So we're coming

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out of lodge and all of a sudden you hear

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the scream and it's children. It's more than one kid,

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it's two or three kids, And it's that scream. As

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a parent you hear, you know, your kids in trouble.

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And so we all come booking out of lodge, you know,

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and these kids come screaming over and their eyes were wide,

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and they said, there was this little awning built for

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a cookshack a cooking here. So in events and ceremonies

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when there's fasting, the kitchen is always a good ways

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away from where where the ceremony is going to happen,

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so that the people who are participating there fastening, they

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don't have to see the food. They said there was

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something under there, and so of course we went running

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over there and there was nothing there, but the kids

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were fighting, and they said it was a big foot

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and a small bigfoot. Maybe a mother and a child won,

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you know, But the yawning was only about seven feet tall,

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and they said the bigger ones head was no higher

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than the onyx. So I'm thinking, you know, under seven feet.

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And as we were looking around, you know, because the

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kids are fighting, the women folks that they are getting fightened,

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and some of the men were fighteninged, right because this

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is the middle of nowhere, this is a ceremony where

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all kinds of things come around. And then we were

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looking around and we noticed this floating green orb. It

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was only part of the size of a big marble,

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and it was just staying on the outside of where

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you could see it, and it was moving and you

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almost could see a shape. But when you're like out

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on the reds and it's no moon, no stars, it's black, right,

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And so this green orb was floating around us and

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we watched it and people got afraid, but like anything,

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it went on for so long. People went to bed,

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they really did, and it just stayed out of reach.

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But when there was me and my daughter and this

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big biker dude from New York, we were sitting up

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and we saw it come and it floated down by us.

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You know, it's just this green orb, about the size

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of a big marble, and it stopped by this guy's car,

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and we got up and we walked over and there

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it was. It wasn't a wasn't a firefly. It was

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a green orb. Now it's about the size of a

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golf ball, and it's just like pulsing, and the three

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of us are looking at it. You know, we're not

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we're not afraid. It's just this thing. And then it

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took off across the meadow and this person that hung

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a buffalo skull up in the tree to get the meat,

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let the come and get the meat. Off of it

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and the flesh off of it, and it zoomed over

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there and then it was gone, and we thought, wow,

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what's going on? And so, you know, we went to bed.

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Next morning, I got up and I went over by

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the cook shack to see what was going on, and

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then I jumped the creek. There was a creek there,

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and I was walking around looking at about all forty

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yards from the cook shack was all the watermelon and

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canalope rins all laying on the ground and somebody had

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eaten all of it, the missing food from the kitchen

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that we were going to have after we came on lodge.

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And so as I was watching it, you know, looking around,

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I could see where something big had been moving because

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I grew up outside. But they weren't leaving tracks, but

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you could see where they had been moving. And the

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spread on these on these strides was probably five five

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and a half feet, And as I could see where

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it had moved, because I think there was two of them,

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in the lower one wasn't as a depth as the

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bigger one of keeping his or her steps, they came

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up to the other part of the creek and you

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had to jump up across the creek and it was

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higher elevation, and right at our side of the creek

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where it was muddy, there was a print, but it

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looked like pitchfork. It was probably the center time from

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top to bottom was probably eighteen inches twenty inches, and

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then it had two sides that came out, so it

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looked like a three time will probably more like a

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potato fork. But that was the print, and I didn't

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know what to make of it because it was deep,

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but that was that was either a printer or was

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a sign. So that was twenty fourteen, and then we

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moved into we were out in California. We started doing

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Calvern and in twenty fifteen, the leader started talking to

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us about Bigfoot. He started explaining the knowledge that he

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had about them being protectors of children, but also spiritual

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beings that can move between places. You know, the best

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context that he could put it to us, and he

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didn't use these words, but I could use the best way.

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I would describe as interdimensional beings that were able to

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do things that we weren't able to do. And he

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started teaching us and one of the things that he

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taught us early on about chiney Tanka was that there's

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this thing. I don't know if this is much for people,

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but there's this thing in ceremonial and spiritual work about

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working with spirits. If you've been to ceremony native ceremony,

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you know the spiritual exists, or if you're if you're

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not a native, angels would be a good word. He

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told us that the Bigfoot was an ancestor of ours

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up until about fifteen thousand years ago, because that's he

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had read and heard something. He's pretty smart piercing together.

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I think I heard that if you take Bigfoot DNA,

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there's a someone figured out about fifteen thousand years ago

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is when it changed. The DNA changed, and they're whatever

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they became involved with us. So the ninety five percent

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human is a is an ancestor of us. But the

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five percent that is unidentifile is the essence or the

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DNA of a being that was from a different dimension

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that parked itself in an ancestors of ours and made

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them the way they are. That was his explanation, No

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reason to doubt it. The man has never lied to us.

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He's always told us the truth, and everything that he's

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ever said has always come true. So you know he was,

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he was getting us ready, and then he started telling

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us that they were around. They liked these children ceremonies,

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and they came around, and that they wanted to make

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contact with us.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

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Well, that really weirded a lot of us out. I

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remember reading hearing Jeremiah that you'd had your own adventures

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in Oregon, and you you can understand when people tell you,

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you know, this is more than the door opening, the zippering,

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this is this is then wanting to come forward, right

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and wanting to step out of the shadow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So you know he's kind of calm about it, but

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he's still a little nervous. And when he's nervous, I'm

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really nervous. Okay. I take my cues from him. And

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so we started going out to Militant in twenty fifteen

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and we had some friends out there, and then we

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went over into the Massachusetts signed by Mount Washington. Are

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you familiar with.

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That, absolutely? Yep.

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Yeah. So we started doing things at Mount Washington. And

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what we were doing, I'm not going to go into

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and say the name, but we would put people and

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they would sit out in the woods for a number

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of days and they would fast and they would they

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would pray, and then you know, they'd be out there

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a certain amount of days and then we bring them

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in and and and listen to them. And we started

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doing that in fifteen, and in sixteen we had a

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whole bunch of people. There's there's people that are just

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starving for native ways and they want to learn things.

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And the guy that I work for or work with,

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he's not he's not adverse to working with non natives.

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He says that spiritual knowledge is for everyone, whereas a

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lot of natives don't think we should do anything with

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non natives. But seems not that way. So we were

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putting a lot of people out there. You know, he

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would only need two at a time, we do, a

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man and a woman, and he would keep them close

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to where we were. But he would put the men

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out in the middle of this forest and all as helpers.

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We called it the Haunted Woods. It was creepy when

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they would sit out there for one to four days, right,

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no water, if we would never be out there praying,

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And so we were in sixteen. We were doing this

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and we had a lot of people and it was

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probably if they're sixth day. We had taken somebody out

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and bought somebody down, and we were going to put

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somebody else out, and so we had to go out

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to the spot where he was using and gather all

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their things right, and then take their things to the

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fire and burn them, and then put the new person's

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things up and set up their space. And me and

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the leader and the singer. It was this native guy

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from California and his people have Bigfoot songs that they

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used to talk to Bigfoot and have relationship with bigfoot. Right,

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So me and the leader in this in this singer,

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we were out there was three or four other people

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and we were setting up the site, and then the

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leader had those other guys started to set up the side,

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and he had me and the singer come with him

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about all five ten steps away from theywork, and he said,

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I want you to look over there. And now this

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for us is old growth, big trees, you know, but

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a lot of trails kind of opened the big trees,

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and he said, I want you to look over here.

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And so we're looking, you know, because when when people

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like that tell you something, you pay attention because you're

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supposed to learn something. Right, So we're looking over there,

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and then he asked the singer, and he asked Mike.

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He said, sing that bigfoot song. Now, Mike has this

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big voice, big voice, big voice, you know. So he

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starts putting it out there. And the leader always has

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him sing loud, so he's like, you know, he's singing

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this bigfoot song. And as we're looking over there, he

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must have been standing behind a tree. This is the

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first time I really get a good picture of one.

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He must have been sending with his back to the tree,

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away from us, right, he just kind of pivoted on

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his right shoulder. He turned to his right and it's

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like his shoulder was on the tree, and he pivoted

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around to look at us. And the three of us

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were probably forty five fifty feet from him. We're close.

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He pivots out and he looks at us. Now, I'm

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six one two forty he's maybe six two six three,

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and he doesn't weigh anymore than me. And he is

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he is gray, and he is brown, and he's red,

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but he's more gray. His face is hairy, but it's

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very human like, but it's it hits a hairy face.

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And when he pivoted. He just looked at us, and

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you know, Mike is singing, and I'm just like, you know, wow,

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you know, I don't know what to say, and the

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Spiritual Leader is looking at him, and there's something going

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on there. I don't know what it was. And then

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the Spiritual Leader just kind of shook his head and

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the big foot that was he shook his head and

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he just pivoted back around behind the tree and probably

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lasted maybe a man it maybe a minute and a half.

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And so we set up the guys site and then

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we went back down to where we were camping, and

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then that night we had a lodge and we got

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in the lodge and Leader told us that he'd come

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and let us know that they were going to watch

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over us and that they would be around, just to

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give us a heads up. So in sixteen, you know,

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we were up there for a while and this isn't

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that bad. You know, you knew there was around, but

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that siding was what we talked about, right, and so

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we got through it. And then in seventeen we moved

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from We had a spot in north of Petaluma, California

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that we did ceremony and we moved up into the

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Sierra Madres, Old Vietnam War that had some land up there.

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Real crusty dude, you know, nice as could be, but

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real crusty, real hard. And our leader used to be marine.

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And so these two got it on. It's fifteen miles

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from North San Juan, if anyone knows what North San

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Juan is, is just the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere.

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And you had to go Interstate to four lane highway

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to two lane highway right, and then the two lane

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highway broke down into a gravel road, and then you

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drove on the gravel road, and then he turned onto

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a dirt road. And the dirt road was a mile

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from the gravel to this place, one mile his own road,

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not maintained by the city or the county, his own road.

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And he invited us, his wife was alive at the time,

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to have ceremony there. We were needing a place. Now,

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this ceremony, I'm not going to give its name, but

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it's twelve days long, okay. So in seventeen we set

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up there and we have four days where we get ready,

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and we have four days where we do the actual ceremony,

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and we have four days. That's closing and anyway, So

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in seventeen we camped all over this land. We had

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probably thirty thirty five forty people camped all over right,

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no issues, no issues. And then in eighteen we great

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useless land. During this four days, I was doing things.

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I slept out in the middle with this other guy.

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I'm not going to go into those people who know

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what I'm talking about knowing if they don't, that's okay.

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So me and this dude were sleeping out in the middle, right,

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and I woke up and I was cold, and I

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something was not off, you know, something Something woke me up,

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and I kind of sat up and I looked around

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and over in the south it's marked by some fabricanos.

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I looked over in the south and we had taken

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this big gasoline drum. It might have held two or

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three hundred gallons when it was, you know, it was empty,

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and we'd putting it up on this metal stand that

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the guy had because that's where he used to keep

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his gas. Standing over there were three sets of red eyes.

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Now the top of that gas had to be all

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of ten or eleven feet. The three eyes were standing

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over there and they weren't much They weren't much shorter

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than the top of that gasoline cap. But the thing

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that I got by looking at because you know, it

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spooped that I'm going to I'm going to say, it's

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scared the you know, it's scared scared me pretty good.

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The impression that I got was that they were very thin,

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but I knew who they were, and I looked at them,

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they looked at me, and I just said, you know,

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like a lot of times, people who do ceremony will

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tell you you just look away and pray that you

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know it's going to be a good outcome, right, So

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I just turned away and I went back to sleep,

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and I told the spiritual leader and he said, yeah,

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they were around, and nothing happened. We camped there, and

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then we get into twenty nineteen, and now we've been

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going to this land for months. We go up there

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outside of the summer and do do sweats, and the

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leaders telling us that they're they're coming around and they

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want you to know they're around. So in nineteen when

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we were up there, you could feel when you stopped

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from pops, you could feel when they were around. And

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it was changing to the point where you could feel

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where they were at. You knew that someone right over

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in that thicket, there's somebody over there, and you could

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feel when they're around. And the feeling was it wasn't frightening,

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but it was not soothing either. It was there was

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something over there that was powerful. There was a being

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there that knew more. It was just it was a

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powerful presence. But it was also you were safe. I

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don't know how that they were there to make you safe.

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And so we knew where they were at, and we

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were getting comfortable with them, and once in a while

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you'd hear what not, you might hear a little who

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in question the right, And so in nineteen we were

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really getting comfortable with them. And you know, we'd seen

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the three big ones the year before, and then when

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we got started in nineteen. We get up about three

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thirty four o'clock in the morning and we have to

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get in lodge and we have to do things, and

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then we come out before the sun to do our

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thing for the four days. We come out before the

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sun rises and we're we're in there and there's the

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women are in the lodge and the guys are standing

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around and we use these porta potties and the porta

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potty door slams. Now it's it's four thirty in the morning,

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it's dark, it's I mean, we're up in the mountains.

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It's dark. And that door slams so hard it jarred me.

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And we all looked at each other like what was that?

452
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And the Leader starts walking over there, and you know,

453
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.359
we start heading over there, and the door slams again.

454
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:04.839
I mean they they slammed the door, and so we

455
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.359
get you know, somebody finds the big By this time,

456
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.279
we have this this big spotlight as someone who's bought

457
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.119
because evidently if we're going to see something, they want

458
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:15.599
to see it as bright as you can, right, So

459
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:20.279
they have this huge lumen flashed light. We take it

460
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.559
over there. There's nothing there. When the spiritual Leader walked

461
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.559
over there, and I'll give us some credits, well I

462
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.640
wouldn't have locked over there, and he just listens and

463
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.720
he said, they're angry what we're doing with the waste.

464
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.920
Now we have these porta potties and we are emptying

465
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.039
in the marselves. We empty him in with a shot

466
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.799
back into some garbage cans, and then we haul them

467
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.599
down the mountain side and we dump him in this holes.

468
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.359
No excuse me. We were just dumping him on the ground.

469
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.119
And the instruction was from him was to start digging

470
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.960
a hole and putting the waste in holes, you know,

471
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.960
burying it. As he said, it was defending them. Never

472
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.799
question is where. But that's what we were told, right,

473
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:10.880
And so in the morning, you know, after that happened,

474
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.599
we get ready and it's just getting daylight. The sun's

475
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.680
just coming up, and we're lined up to go in

476
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:25.079
and I look over and there is ahead. It's a

477
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:30.359
huge head and it's walking from my left. I'm looking

478
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:35.079
let's see, I'm looking north. It's walking from my left

479
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.039
to my right, and it's just the head and part

480
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.599
of the shoulders because of the incline. And he just

481
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.559
walks right by me. I mean, he's down there and

482
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.640
I see him, and he just fought. He doesn't even

483
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.839
look at me. He just keeps walking right and he

484
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.000
just walks amongst the trees and like not a cure

485
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.759
in the world of whether I saw him or not,

486
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.680
you know. And then you know, we heard a few

487
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.480
weird sign There started being a few pebble tossing here

488
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.000
and there, just enough to make you jump in and

489
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.319
keep you on edge. But no bigs, no big stuff

490
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.519
until we get to twenty and then from nineteen. From twenty,

491
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.359
you know, pandemic hits. We still do things, but now

492
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.519
we all can't close together and we're a little more nervous.

493
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.599
But it's a pandemic and we really don't have anything happen.

494
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.640
And then in twenty one, I guess this is when

495
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:39.880
life changing things happen. I'm you know, people can say

496
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.519
what they want. I was not alone in these happenings.

497
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.279
There was sometimes as many as thirty or forty people.

498
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.799
They're going through the same things and going through this.

499
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.319
So in twenty one, we go up to the land

500
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:58.680
and there's me, my son, my wife, her sister, the leader,

501
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.519
and this other woman who's going to sit out for

502
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:05.200
a while. She's gonna sit and pray fast. And we

503
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.240
get up there in twenty one, and we get there.

504
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.720
My wife's sister is there right now. She's she's my

505
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.720
wife's adopted sister in a native way, and her name's Kanya.

506
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.559
And this girl is part Mexican and there's nothing in

507
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:23.079
the world that makes her afraid. She's just got she

508
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.440
got warror energy, right, She's sitting in her car, and

509
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.119
she said she's been hearing noises and she's sitting in

510
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.640
a car ready to go, which really kind of surprised

511
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.960
me because I've known this woman for ten years at

512
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.960
this point, I've never seen her afraid. And so we

513
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.440
get out and the spiritual Leader walks into the woods,

514
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.359
not far maybe ten fifteen yards, and he standing out

515
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:51.359
there and he starts singing song and he's up singing

516
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.640
and the woods got quiet and it was like he

517
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.680
was listening. And then he came back and he gathered

518
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.119
us that were there and he said, come here. So

519
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.880
we walked out here and he said the chia tonka

520
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.599
that are here are different than the ones before. We're

521
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.759
like what and he said, there's different ones here. These

522
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.160
are warriors. These are Akeisha tell Wells is maybe a

523
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.000
word for warrior, zuyez maybe a word for warrior. Can't

524
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.839
remember whether the word, but there were warriors right, and

525
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:27.920
we said okay, and the the energy was different. The

526
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:32.039
energy was different. And then when we progressed in the year,

527
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.880
we had this guy come over from Switzerland.

528
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.680
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

529
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.200
He was going to sit out right he was going

530
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:02.640
to sit out in twenty one. So he gets put

531
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.559
out down and down in the mountain in this little valley,

532
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:12.559
and we put him off there and the first night,

533
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.279
me and my son, and you have to have someone

534
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.559
you have to have a fire going, right, the whole

535
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.200
time you're doing stuff, you have to have a fire going.

536
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:20.559
So you have to have someone to watch your fire.

537
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.359
He's picked his his friend who's a female, and the

538
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.920
guy that I do stuff with, he allows women to

539
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:31.359
do fire. And me and my son are there and

540
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.839
she's watching fire and we're talking, and me and my

541
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.480
son go to bed, and we're in there about an hour.

542
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.880
We're not we're not sleeping, and she comes over my

543
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.599
tent and she says, you need to come over here.

544
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.720
There's something going on. So me and my son get

545
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.559
out and walk over to where we have the fire,

546
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.240
and she says, over there, now the Vietnam bedroom lives

547
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.839
up the hill. You know, we're down on the pull

548
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.640
the news down that driveway. First you come Torey and

549
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.079
then you take a left and you go up the hill,

550
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.519
probably about one hundred yards right. He lives up there. Now.

551
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.480
He has a horse over there, and he has an alpaca.

552
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.119
One of us the pack has died just before we

553
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.319
get there, and there was rumor that maybe a bigfoot

554
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.599
got his out pocket, but he never confined, he never

555
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:16.160
confirmed it. She said there's something over there. So we're

556
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.200
standing there. You know, once again, it's dark up there

557
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.400
and where she's pointing to where the crowd is, you

558
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.880
can't see anything. You can hear the horse occasion, but

559
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:30.000
you can't see anything. And you hear that, And if

560
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.440
you've been out in the woods and you hear that

561
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.039
and it's one of them, you know that that's not

562
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.119
at all because it's too big, right, It's just too big,

563
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.440
and it's who And we're like what, you know? Because

564
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.920
now it gets your attention because it's it's it's a

565
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.640
big voice. You know, this is coming from a big

566
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:51.079
voice box. And then goes hoo. It starts doing that.

567
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.000
Holy cow, the hair stood up on my on my

568
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.599
head it still does thinking about it. And it did

569
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.440
that for about fifteen seconds, making those weird noises, and

570
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:08.440
then it stopped. We're looking up. They were like, wow,

571
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.160
I needed to say. We didn't go to sleep, but

572
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.599
there was nothing else happening right, and the dawn came

573
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.359
and me and my son we went to sleep, and

574
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:17.720
then we got up and we had to get Mike,

575
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.880
the singer I talked about, because he was coming up

576
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.039
to help us. So we got Mike and we came

577
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.119
back to the land, and you know, the day went

578
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.640
on in that phone. We were hanging out, and then

579
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:34.000
it got dark, and we were hanging out. At about

580
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:39.640
eleven o'clock, you heard a scream. It was more fierce

581
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.359
than the ohio the house. It was deep, it resonated.

582
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.079
It was coming from where the Swiss guy was sitting,

583
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.359
and it made your organs move a little bit. It

584
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.640
was loud, it was deep, and it was sparce and

585
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.599
we all jumped up and we looked at each other,

586
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:03.720
and my son's for the big spotlight, and what are

587
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.559
we gonna do? Because when someone's sitting out no one's

588
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.559
supposed to see them. They're sitting out there by themselves.

589
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.199
You're not supposed to the only personh's supposed to see

590
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.880
him as the spiritual leader who takes him out there.

591
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.280
And he's sitting out there and he looks at us,

592
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.599
and then the second scream goes and it's a loud

593
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.039
and it's fears and he looks at us, and he goes,

594
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.159
we got an angry big foot, and then he does

595
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.239
something I don't know what. He starts going down there

596
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.880
to where that guy is. Now it's down in the valley.

597
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.559
It's black as it's coal miners black down there, and

598
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.960
this thing has just screamed twice and the other two

599
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.119
guys grabbed the light and they start taking the trail,

600
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.719
but he's across country because it's maybe one hundred yards

601
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.760
down there. And as we're moving down there, you heard

602
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.280
a third scream from the same area. It's just loud.

603
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.239
It probably goes on for five or six seconds, and

604
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.239
it's just so powerful. And we stop and we're kind

605
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:02.920
of close because we're not supposed to look at that guy.

606
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.280
And he walks up on him and he starts talking

607
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.760
to the guy and they talked back and forth, and

608
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.360
he turns around the points with his head and we

609
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.800
start walking up the hill without the guy. I'm like,

610
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.440
what is this dude is not coming back with us.

611
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.599
You've got to be nuts, dude, And so we get

612
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.440
back up to where we're having the fire and he

613
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.280
says the dude says he feels protected within his face

614
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.920
and he doesn't know what it was, but he just

615
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:37.039
woke him up, and so we let him stay out.

616
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.639
During the next day, we went and got him and

617
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.320
we put him in the lodge. And when you're done

618
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:41.880
sitting out and you go in the lodge, you tell

619
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.519
your story. You know what you prayed about or maybe

620
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:49.000
something you received. And he said that. Later that night,

621
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.679
when he was sitting in that spot, they came and

622
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.960
they sat outside the spot and they talked to him

623
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.400
in his head and they said, I want you to

624
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.679
tell your spiritually thank you for helping us and praying

625
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.360
for us. And that was his message. I'm like, wow,

626
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:10.519
all right. So we get through that, and then we

627
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.519
have the children's ceremony coming up on the same land.

628
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.280
Now we've moved to this land and there's only a

629
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.039
few of us travel restrictions, so we're going to have

630
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.199
this children's ceremony up there, and there's a tree there

631
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.239
that we're going to use. And there's only like five

632
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.960
of us, five or six of us, right, and we

633
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.880
get started. This children's dance is different from the other

634
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.920
things we do. We start later in the day and

635
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.239
we don't have to completely fast, and we get started

636
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.559
on that first day, right, and we are doing our

637
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.000
thing and we're resting and we're going in and praying

638
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.760
and dancing. And we had a place there was an

639
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:56.320
old dilapilated trailer, one bedroom, probably a forty five footter.

640
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.920
Maybe it's old RV trailer. Someone had parked on his

641
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.400
land and just left it. And the man would go

642
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.000
back there to go go bathroom, you know, go urinate.

643
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.639
That's where you would go. And know it was right

644
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.440
next to the lodge, and then you go between the

645
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.920
lodge and they trail and you go back there. And

646
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.400
there was a big BlackBerry brambles that roll on this

647
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.440
west side. And so I go over there. You know,

648
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.199
there's only five of us and I walk up there

649
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.920
to go to the bathroom. I'm wearing a ceremonial skirt,

650
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.280
no shirt, barefooted, and I walk over there, and I

651
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.039
moved my skirt to go to the bathroom. You know,

652
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.239
I'm looking down and I look up and there he is.

653
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:48.119
He's eight feet away from me, maybe nine top ten feet.

654
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.679
He's that close. He has crouched down in the BlackBerry

655
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.079
bramble bush and he's made a big circle because he

656
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.880
must have been there for a while. He's looking me

657
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:07.280
the eye he looks exactly like Patty, except this dude

658
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.199
is I'm not exaggerating. He's five feet across the shoulders.

659
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.719
If I weigh two hundred and forty pounds, he weighs

660
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:21.320
a thousand. That's how much bigger he was than me.

661
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.719
He was massive, massive, And the way that these crowds

662
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:29.280
down there, he's able to see me. And if I'm

663
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.599
six one, he's looking me in the eyes. I figure

664
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:38.159
he's eight feet maybe a little weird feet. His chest

665
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.920
is bare, almost like a gorilla. The hair on his

666
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:46.079
arms and his legs is long three four inches. His

667
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.119
head is slightly conical, but not like people say. It's

668
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.639
not round, but it's not conical. It's somewhere in between. Right,

669
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.119
He's looking at me, and he has no whites. His

670
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.440
eyes are totally black. There's no whites in his eyes.

671
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.719
The first thought that goes through my head is you

672
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:11.159
don't smell. I don't know why, maybe because by this

673
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.159
time I was listening to all kinds of podcasts and

674
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.000
stories about people talking about how bad the smell. And

675
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.239
I'm looking at him, and as the first thought is like,

676
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:24.960
you don't smell, now, I realized his arms. You know

677
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.840
this this is probably pretty close. If he's eighty nine

678
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.639
feet away from me, his arms long enough that I

679
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.960
feel like he could grab me. I really do. The

680
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.199
way that he is leaning for it's almost like a gorilla,

681
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.159
does you know, because their arms are so much longer,

682
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.440
But his legs aren't short like that. His legs are

683
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.360
like massive. The way he's haunched, I mean, the the

684
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.679
the energy that is contained in this being, just by

685
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.599
the way that he is, the way that he has

686
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.320
set himself is like amazing. It's just it's overwhelmed. And

687
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.000
I just looked at him, and I think that we

688
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.920
probably stood there. I know it's hard to do, but

689
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:09.400
I'm gonna say a couple of minutes. He just kind

690
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.480
of looked once in a while. He kenn't tilt his head,

691
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.440
but he wasn't threatening me. I mean, if he wanted

692
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.360
to do anything to me, there was nothing I was

693
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.199
going to do. There was nothing I was going to do.

694
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:26.880
There was nothing. And he looked at me, and I'm

695
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.000
the one that turned away. I'm like, I gottage with

696
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.000
my sister in law. She got to see, she's got

697
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.159
to see my sister in law has always had my back.

698
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.519
And I went together and we came back and he

699
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.880
was gone, and I've only gone. It took me thirty

700
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.719
seconds to grab her and bring her back. There. He

701
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.079
has left that spot, that big he's like, he's like

702
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.599
pushed the BlackBerry brambles down, like making a bed, but

703
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.719
there's no trail in or out, and he made no sounds.

704
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.960
And I'm like, he was right here, dude, and she's like, well,

705
00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.599
I believe you because I can look in your eyes.

706
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:03.480
I believe you. But he was gone, right, And so

707
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.639
we have that and then we, you know, we get

708
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.639
done with children's dance, and then in August we have

709
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.199
that ceremony. It takes all those days. So in the

710
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.199
forties we're getting ready. We're all camping close together. Now

711
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.239
well the men and women are coping camping close together,

712
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.599
and the people who run the kitchen are up on

713
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:24.519
the hill and we start doing this this thing that

714
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.440
we do for all these days. And I'm sitting on

715
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.280
there like the shade hoe where we rest in our

716
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.440
shade eye, and I'm looking around. I look back to

717
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.440
where you can kind of tell where the Swiss guy sat,

718
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.960
and I'm looking down there. I see this tree that

719
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.119
is you know, it's old growth has fallen over into

720
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.239
this other tree, and I'm just kind of looking, because

721
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.239
you know, when you're out there for you know, you're

722
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.400
doing something for four days without food and water, you

723
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.440
get interested in a lot of other things. And so

724
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.000
I'm looking. And as I follow the big tree that

725
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.320
fell into the other tree, it fell into a tree

726
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.719
that had a y and somebody's build a platform up there.

727
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.679
And as I look closer, the platform also has a

728
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.599
roof and it's big. We all look, we all can

729
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.760
see that this platform with the roof on it on

730
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.000
top of these trees, looks down in the spot where

731
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.079
the Swiss guy was sitting. It was almost like they

732
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.480
could have been up there and they could have come

733
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:24.559
down that tree and been right where the Swiss guy

734
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.719
was so quick to protect him. Because that was the

735
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.880
feeling that we had that it had protected him. That

736
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.440
really blew us away, right, And so the leader of

737
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.400
telling us, yes, they are here to watch over us

738
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.000
because we're doing important work, and they love the children

739
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.599
and even this thing we do outside of the children's

740
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.840
dances also for the children in a different way. And

741
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.559
so he tells us, you know, to pray for them

742
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.400
for their help and tell them, thank you, and not

743
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.119
to be afraid because they want these says to us.

744
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.679
And this is the thing that's hard for us. They

745
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:00.519
want to come into the fire, and so everything that

746
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.800
we do and they able to tell everything that runs

747
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.679
that's you know about praying and stuff. There has to

748
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.159
be a fire from start to finish. They have to

749
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.599
have a you have to have a fire going at

750
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.199
all times. And if it goes out and it's Ober,

751
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.800
and so he says they want to come to the fire,

752
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.079
and everybody looks at each other and and he's the

753
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.400
first one to say, makes me nervous because what do

754
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.920
they want? They want to contact us. So we get

755
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.840
down with twenty one and then we move into twenty two.

756
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:32.559
Now we know when we go up to land in

757
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.519
twenty two that they're around, right, we know there's different

758
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.599
ones around. As soon as you go to land twenty two,

759
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.000
you don't now like years before with the other ones,

760
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.000
you could tell where they were. And when we got

761
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.559
there and we're standing around, the spiritual Leader said they're

762
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.719
over there. They're there. And when he had you look

763
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.679
over there to feel that and get you could feel it.

764
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.400
He knew exactly where they were. And when he pointed out,

765
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.440
it was this weird thing. You didn't know. As soon

766
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.800
as he pointed it out, you did no. And there

767
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:07.679
was five or six of them, and the energy was

768
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.000
like if you've ever been around somebody that was like

769
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.239
in the Seals or Force Recon and the Green Berets,

770
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.079
they have an aura. They have an aura that says,

771
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.119
you know, don't mess, don't mess, right, yep, that's what

772
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.679
it felt like. They felt like, these are some warriors

773
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.199
and don't mess. And so as we take that in right,

774
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.519
we're like, okay, this is all right. They're not going

775
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.559
to hurt us. So we get this girl sitting in

776
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.039
the lodge and she's gonna be out for a couple

777
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.679
of days, and we get her fire going, and we're

778
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.000
taking terms, me and my sister alone. We're taking turns.

779
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.599
So she gets up to feed the fire and then

780
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.039
I get it the next hour. So you get a

781
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:47.599
couple of hours sleep, right, she does it, then I

782
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.400
do it, So it's my turn. I set my alarm

783
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.679
when I get up about three o'clock on this first

784
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.679
night we're up there, and I feed the fire and alson,

785
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.039
I hear this noise. It's it's it's a battle.

786
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.360
Society will be right back after these messages.

787
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.440
It's a battle. There's involving things that aren't me, that

788
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:31.800
aren't It's a battle between those warriors whatever they have

789
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.159
gotten down there. It's to the north of us, down

790
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.400
the hill, and they are going at it. I mean

791
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.920
it is. You can feel that. It's tooth and nail.

792
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:43.559
And as fast as it got started, it was over.

793
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.320
And when it stopped, you knew that something died, you

794
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:53.280
knew something got killed. There was no there was no

795
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.679
denying it. Here's one of the weird things. No one

796
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.519
else woke up. And I'll get to some way that

797
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.079
really in some of our later things, no one wakes up, right,

798
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.840
no one. I'm like, how did you guys not wake up?

799
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.559
And so I went back to sleep and we get

800
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.960
through the night, and I said to anyway you guys

801
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:18.199
hear anything? People like, no, I didn't hear nothing, And

802
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:19.800
the spiritu guy looks at me, he says, yeah, I did.

803
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:25.039
And so we get through the day. And now as

804
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.559
it's getting in the evening where you always watching the weather,

805
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.960
there's a chance of rain. Now we got to make

806
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.840
a decision. Now we got to keep this fire going, right,

807
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.280
we count the fire going out, and you can keep

808
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.000
a fire going in any rains. So I don't know

809
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.159
people know this. Just by making sure that it's really

810
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.400
hot when it starts and keeping it fed, you can

811
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.880
keep a fire going. And his last result was an

812
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.480
old wood burning stove and that old dilapelated trailer, right,

813
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:51.599
that's the last resort you can move some fire in there.

814
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.239
So we got to make the decisions. Well, we're going

815
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.199
to stay for the fire and keep her fire going

816
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.079
as the spiritually they're going to bring her out early.

817
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.599
And he taught stuff because we're helping him, and we say,

818
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.320
let's do it. Let's let's go the night. We can

819
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.880
keep it going. And we make that decision. And there's

820
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.480
something behind this little green building and stuff. There's something snapped,

821
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:16.079
something big stepped on something. Now first I thought it

822
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:19.800
was bigfoot. I'm like, that's awful close and that's awful

823
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.559
freaking big dude. I've heard you guys before. That's that's

824
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.880
that's massive. Spiritually, just looking over there, and he says,

825
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.440
let's go get her, and I'm like, wow, I thought.

826
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.280
So we have a tent set up that my wife

827
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.119
and her sister are sleeping in and have some cots, right,

828
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:37.840
and so we're gonna go get this girl, and we

829
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.159
here a woo. It's up by where the road comes

830
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.960
into the land, so it's a mile away, right. And

831
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.519
then so that's on north. If you're looking north, it's

832
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.480
right there one eight over in the south you hear woo.

833
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.800
And then between that south and north on the one

834
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.840
eighty towards the west side, there are woop's going on there. Now,

835
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.199
you know, there's five or five, six of them. They're

836
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:09.320
whooping to each other and they're moving. They're moving towards us.

837
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.800
We get that girl all the lodge, right, We get her.

838
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:14.920
The girls get her over into this tent and we

839
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.559
sit on these two cots and there's six of five

840
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.960
or right now, the wops are getting louder, and they're moving.

841
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.840
They're moving together. And as we're sitting in there and

842
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.920
he starts to talk to her and do some stuff,

843
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.800
the noises louder. They're converging, and now they're over by

844
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.840
the lodge and over by that trailer, and the whooping

845
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.599
is going up in decibels, right, and she's talking very

846
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.280
calmly because she's still doing whatever she's doing. You know,

847
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.840
praying and doing what she did. You start to feel

848
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:53.360
your body shake. The hairs on your body just start

849
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.199
to rise. And they're whooping, right, and they're now it's

850
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.079
coming into almost like one whoop. And she's talking, this

851
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:03.199
is this weird, weird academy, right, this girl who a

852
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.719
little bit ago was praying and was fastening and now

853
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.280
has been taken out of that zone, still in that

854
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.360
zone in her head and her spirit, and she's talking

855
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.760
about what she went through and we're listening and you

856
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:17.679
hear that oohoooo. And now I'm not kidding. It's as

857
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:22.320
loud as a jet airliner. It's one hundred and twenty decibels, dude,

858
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.920
and they are just rocking your body and it's one

859
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.159
it is one voice woo and they are just putting

860
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.920
it on. Oh oh man. We're looking at each other

861
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.920
and it's like, what are we doing? Because they are loud.

862
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.719
They are loud, and it's five six of them. The

863
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.920
spiritual leader says, we got to go. And now we're

864
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:50.599
sitting in a tent, mind you right, canvas right, we're

865
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.039
sitting in this tent. But something about that feels safer

866
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.519
than getting out and running for the cars. He says,

867
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.039
we got to go, and so the ladies her and

868
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.199
I run to one of the trucks. And the first

869
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.199
thing I do is so the truck's probably about forty

870
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.079
feet up the hill and the lights based right down

871
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.559
on the lodge and the trailer. I run right after,

872
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:16.559
and I hit the lights and there's nothing standing there. Nothing.

873
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.639
I'm like, what is going on here? And we load

874
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.960
her up and we take off and we come back

875
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:34.679
the next day and it's all fine. It's all fine. Right,

876
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:41.559
So the next year, that's all happens. This gets wilder

877
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.559
and wilder. This is still twenty two, so, yes, twenty two.

878
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:50.199
We get further into the year, right, So we do

879
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.679
the children's dance. There nothing happens, and then we do

880
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:57.320
that dance we do in the summer. And we have

881
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.559
told everybody in the circle, everybody who comes. You know,

882
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.199
people come from all over the country, some people come

883
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.880
from different parts of the world. We all convene to

884
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:11.840
pray for good things, to have community, and then go

885
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.800
in to suffer together. And we've told the whole community

886
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.880
what's happened. This is the spiritualarer that he doesn't hold

887
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.079
anything back. He you know full well what you're gonna

888
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.719
get involved with anytime you're doing anything with them. And

889
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.119
so we go up there, right. We get set now

890
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.360
where he's got of the mini win camp close together,

891
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.039
and the cookshack has been told, hey, pay attention because

892
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:40.000
they're up on the hill, the cookshack on the first

893
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.800
day of us doing things where the they cook for

894
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.880
the supporters and the singers and the fire keepers because

895
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.000
the dancers don't get a food. The singer is the cook.

896
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.880
The main cook is my sister and her friend, and

897
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:57.519
they're up there and they know all of a sudden,

898
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.559
they know they fits around. My sister's pretty aware, so

899
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.000
they know they're up there, but you know, we don't

900
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.960
know that because we're a question. When you start the

901
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.760
ceremony as the participants, you become sequestered. So we're down

902
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.599
there and we're doing our thing, and we're fasting, and

903
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:15.119
we're doing our thing and going in and out of

904
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.960
the circle, and they're having their own experiences, but they're

905
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:23.679
not too not scaring them, right, And so we get

906
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.840
down with the first day and we finish up and

907
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.239
so now we're all camped close together. My wife and

908
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.519
her sister are camped close we're not usually supposed to

909
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.360
do that, but the leader felt like we needed to

910
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.239
stay together. And we're all getting ready for bed, and

911
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.800
as we laid down, it's about nine o'clock it's still

912
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:44.800
light out. I say good night to my wife and

913
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.559
she says and we lay down and you hear all

914
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.320
and we're like, oh, they're here, they're here, and people

915
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.239
people got up. We've been up since four o'clock in

916
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.159
the morning. We've been doing this all day in the sun.

917
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.159
We want to rest, but everyone gets up right. We

918
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.360
all come down by the fire and we bring the

919
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.159
cook staff down and because he wants us, the leader

920
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.920
wants us all together, right, and we're standing down with

921
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:12.880
the fire, and you can hear them out there making

922
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.760
all kinds of stuff. It's like they're going through their

923
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:21.599
whole repertoire. Sounds, the hooting, the shrill, whistles, the scream.

924
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.760
They're out there making noise and we're all together. Now.

925
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.000
This is what I talked about earlier about one of

926
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.480
the things about singings, and this is when this happens.

927
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.239
So we're all standing down by the fire, which is

928
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.000
close to the lodge, right, and we're looking to the west.

929
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.719
We're looking around and the leader has the mic singing

930
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.280
the Bigfoot song, and he sings that and we make

931
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.400
prayers like you know, he has different people pray like,

932
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.599
we're not your enemies. We're here to you know, we're

933
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:49.840
here for ceremony, and we have we respect your right,

934
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.840
you know, we're just we're being very curtius and very respectful.

935
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:58.519
And then there he is over to the west and

936
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.920
to the right a little bit there is he's standing.

937
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.880
He's standing on a trail. He's more reddish blonde than

938
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:11.880
he is black. His eyes are amber, they're almost golden, right,

939
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.320
and his eyes are golden. He's standing down that path

940
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.480
and so he makes him about eight eight to nine

941
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.320
feet tall. He's not as massive as the black one

942
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.119
I saw, but he's a big dude. And he's standing there.

943
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:30.400
Now here's where it really gets weird about who can

944
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.920
see him. There is twenty eighteen to twenty of us

945
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.599
standing there, right, it breaks down to about half can

946
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.960
see him clear as day. Another half can't see him

947
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:47.719
at all at all. I don't know what you're pointing at.

948
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.360
And the other people are like, he's right there, he's

949
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:55.199
right there, and he's stood there probably for four or

950
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:00.599
five minutes, not threatening, just looking at us, right. I

951
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.400
don't know if it was the Bigfoot song of the

952
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.960
Way that we had, you know, said prayers and marines.

953
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.719
But he just stood there and we're we're thust that

954
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.920
I can see him, are just like, wow, you seeing this?

955
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.320
I wish I could see it. And that's what people say,

956
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.840
I wish why can't I see it? And and then

957
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:23.239
he just turned and walked away. And so when he

958
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:26.719
walked away, we all gathered and people had questions, why

959
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.199
couldn't I see him? And our leader he couldn't tell us.

960
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.239
It was like certain people could and certain people couldn't.

961
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.480
And with this crowd, it was not a lack of

962
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:40.199
non believers. Believe me, this crowd believes. They believe in him,

963
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.519
they believe in the Bigfoots, they believe in in the

964
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.400
spiritual realm, they believe in prayers, and often couldn't see

965
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.440
him right. And so we're sitting there and they're out

966
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.760
in the woods and they're making occasional noises, and this

967
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.679
is the weird thing. I go lay down in the

968
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:57.239
height of this and I go to sleep. It's like

969
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:59.440
you can get used anything. They're out there whistling and

970
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.000
who he and make it and I guess it went

971
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.679
on till like five or six in the morning. No, four,

972
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.519
we get it before he went on till four o'clock

973
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.960
in the morning. They were just out there making noise, right,

974
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.039
And we got up. And the next three nights we

975
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.760
were out there. First night, second night, they made noise.

976
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.840
They were out, they knew you were out, and they

977
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.480
were out there so long doing it. You could differentiate

978
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:28.239
who was who this one is, you know, almost like

979
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:30.840
let's just give him numbers. Oh that's number one, Oh

980
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.920
that's number three. Right, you could differentiate the different ones

981
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.199
from each other just by them being around so much.

982
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.760
And so on the fourth game, when we get done,

983
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:44.159
the leader asked us, you know, this is pretty the

984
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.760
activity is getting pretty crazy. You guys want to stay

985
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:49.239
or do you want to go home? And we all

986
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.360
just decided to stay, right, so we watch him. We

987
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.559
got done about six o'clock and we watched the movie.

988
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.360
He has a big movie screen. That's what we do.

989
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.639
We unwind and we all went to bed. About three

990
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.119
o'clock in the morning, my brother in law, who's been

991
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:08.519
watching the fire, says, Steve, they're here, and I get

992
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.119
up and he'd gotten up for some reason and he

993
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.119
was sitting there whittling, and he looked over and he

994
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.360
saw this orb. He saw these red orbs floating, and

995
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.760
that's what got his attention, right, these red orbs. And

996
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.239
when he was looking, the red herbs turned into eyes

997
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.719
and there were tombs standing over there. And we went

998
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.719
over the next day. They were between nine and ten

999
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:33.559
feet tall from where they were standing and what he saw,

1000
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.920
and they were just the orbs turned into eyes. That

1001
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.800
was the best way he could put it. We're like, okay,

1002
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.320
I mean, you know, at this point I'm Jeremiah. Anything

1003
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.320
as possible, and you're not denying anything that you see.

1004
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.199
And natives will tarry around ceremony. Things really get different.

1005
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.159
So we packed it up and we didn't have any

1006
00:57:58.079 --> 00:57:59.800
We went up for swead a couple of times, more

1007
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.559
than nothing happened. Then into twenty three was our last

1008
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.079
year there. And so we're going up there in twenty

1009
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:11.320
three and it's me and my wife, my son and

1010
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.119
a friend of ours. We're gonna go up there and

1011
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.519
have sweat and meet people up there. Right, and we're

1012
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.639
pulling into the off the gravel into his dirt road, right,

1013
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.000
and you got to really slow down because it's redded

1014
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.320
and it's steep, and we ease in there. And as

1015
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.079
we come around the corner and we start going down

1016
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.880
the hill off to our right in the woods. I

1017
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.199
think me and my son probably saw it clearly. My

1018
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.679
wife saw part of it, and our friend Laurie saw

1019
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:43.119
part of it too. You saw a white flash like

1020
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.760
open up, like a big white flash, and you saw

1021
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.920
this big black things step into it and the light

1022
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.719
went gone. I saw the whole thing. My wife, who

1023
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:54.800
was sitting next to me, she saw parts of it. Laurie,

1024
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.079
who was on the right side, saw a part of it.

1025
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.639
And my son, who was sitting behind me in the

1026
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.480
back seat, he saw most of the and I saw

1027
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.239
and my wife said right away, Oh, I want to

1028
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.920
tell the other ones we're here. And I'm like wow, now, well,

1029
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.880
in the doorway, I would think, so did I make

1030
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:18.440
it up? No's clear's day. So we drove down there.

1031
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:24.039
It's like, okay, it's starting again. We get ready. This

1032
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.960
is twenty three. We get into the days when we

1033
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.280
get ready, right and we're all up there. We've camped,

1034
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.519
we're camping together. The cookshack is down by the circle

1035
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.320
we're not one hundred feet from each other. Now we

1036
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:45.199
we have been through some stuff together, and we know

1037
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:50.239
they're around. It's like the second day of getting ready,

1038
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.840
you know, where we get everything done. We chop wood,

1039
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.000
we get everything ready, we make sure all our our

1040
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.880
regalia is ready to go. We get everything ready to go.

1041
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.599
We're standing over by a shed where we kept our stuff,

1042
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.000
and I happened to look over, you know, just looking over,

1043
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.960
and I see two of them. It's definitely a female

1044
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:17.199
because he breasts, and a small one, and they're standing

1045
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.760
in these trees, and the trees have branches that kind

1046
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.159
of come over, so it's almost like a doorway right.

1047
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.760
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

1048
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.119
And they're standing right there, and she's probably seven feet

1049
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.679
and he's now more than five or five four or

1050
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:51.400
five feet, And I said, whoa, it's broad daylight out

1051
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:53.920
and I said to somebody, hey, do you see this?

1052
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.719
And pretty soon everybody's over there, and once again, about

1053
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.840
half of us could see him, and half but it's

1054
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.239
not the same people. Some people who saw him before

1055
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:08.079
are seeing now, and people who saw him before I'm seeing.

1056
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.159
It's a weird thing. They're not seeing him this time,

1057
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.559
and others that didn't are seeing this, these two, and

1058
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.599
I'm like, what is you know, it's weird, so halfless.

1059
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.119
And as we're looking at him in the spiritually looks

1060
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:25.639
he said, they want something from us. And he's standing

1061
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:27.039
there and he's doing his thing. I don't know if

1062
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.280
you've ever seen how spiritual they do. The whole thing.

1063
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:33.280
They kind of you know, they go still. It's like

1064
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:37.480
they're listening and they're not there, their boys there and

1065
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:40.119
they're they're just very still and their spirit is doing something.

1066
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:46.039
And he's listening and he's and when he's back in

1067
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.079
himself and he turns to us, they leave and he

1068
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.880
says that one needs help, the little one needs help.

1069
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:55.960
We're like, well, what do you mean? And we're we're

1070
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.639
going to do I'm not gonna give it a name,

1071
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:02.960
but we're gonna do a night ceremony this night. And

1072
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.880
it's in his house, the Vietnam bedroom is staying at

1073
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:07.800
his girlfriends and he has a house on top of

1074
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:09.599
the hill and we're going to go up there and

1075
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.320
we're gonna black out all the windows and doors and

1076
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.119
we're going to have a ceremony at night. And the

1077
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.480
people who live this way, you know what I'm referring to.

1078
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.360
He's that kind of leader. He says, they're going to come,

1079
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.159
and so, you know, we get in sweat and we

1080
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:27.719
go up there and we get everything ready, and he

1081
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.519
gets ready, and then we do things for him, and

1082
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:33.320
then the lights we turn the lights up. We've covered

1083
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.000
all the windows, what's totally black and there, right, and

1084
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.559
the singers get going and their songs going, and all

1085
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.840
of sudden, the energy for you just changes. I mean,

1086
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.039
it's it's intense to begin with. Right, if you've ever

1087
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.519
been to one of these ice sermais's it's mind blowing.

1088
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:53.119
The man who's leading us says they're here, and goes

1089
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.760
on to tell us that there is a client of

1090
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.679
bigfoot standing all around this house and they have their

1091
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.400
hands on the on the house, and he says there's

1092
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.800
about twenty to twenty four of them standing out there,

1093
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:10.400
so this little one can receive healing. And we sing

1094
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:13.480
through it and the energy is more than I've ever seen.

1095
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.079
And I've been to a lot of these. I've been

1096
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.440
to a lot of these. And he gets done, and

1097
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.079
when the lights come back on and he's there, he says,

1098
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:26.920
this is I'll just say as he said it. He

1099
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.000
said that the little one had taken some kind of

1100
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:33.239
spiritual hurt and needed a spiritual healer, and that's what

1101
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.079
they had been doing around and they have been trying

1102
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.519
to get our attention to do that, and he finally

1103
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:44.079
heard it. And when we got done, you felt this

1104
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:48.239
like feeling of gratitude coming from the woods. It was

1105
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.800
he went from that fierce warrior stuff to you know,

1106
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:57.840
to almost loving coming out of the woods. Right. And

1107
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.920
as we are getting ready on the third or fourth day,

1108
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.480
we have a pair of twins that come there. There

1109
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.440
were nine little twin girls. They saw one and and

1110
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.960
they he goes, you know, while we're all while we're

1111
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.960
all doing this, you know, freaking out that bigfoot and

1112
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.639
trying to keep our act together, the two nine year

1113
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:21.679
olds are in their tent playing Bigfoot. They're not afraid

1114
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.679
at all. When we're walking down the hill one day,

1115
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.079
they said, there he is. He has a man space.

1116
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.239
And they took off running and someone grabbed him, like

1117
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.280
what do you mean? They said, he was standing right

1118
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.880
there and he had a manned space. Like whoa. So

1119
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:42.800
we were like, okay, they're here. Started on our first

1120
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.719
day and they were out in the woods, the same gang,

1121
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.840
the same sounds, but not as close and not as

1122
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.239
as intimidating. And it went on first three nights. First night,

1123
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.239
second night, it went on, and it was kind of

1124
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.960
almost comforting, right, and they we started doing this little

1125
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:05.039
little whistle thing, and you knew where they were, but

1126
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.320
it was it wasn't like any of the whooping. It

1127
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.679
wasn't the screaming, it wasn't the samurai chatter. It was

1128
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:15.000
just nice and gentle and you felt good. And on

1129
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.079
the fourth morning we got up and we all did

1130
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:20.800
our thing, and the leader gather us together and he

1131
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.840
said that they've gone. He said they left in the night.

1132
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:28.480
There's only two of them here, and we're some people

1133
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:29.800
are like, well, why did they go? And he says,

1134
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:36.079
we will find out today. It's more that cryptic medicine,

1135
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.719
our spiritual leader stuff. They sometimes pretty cryptic, right, and

1136
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:40.719
they know the answers. They want you to find out

1137
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.920
on your own. Right. So this is the last day,

1138
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.039
and we start doing what we're doing, right, And we

1139
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.119
were out in the middle for a while and we

1140
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.159
sit down. This is how the day goes, right. We're

1141
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.960
out in the middle, probably about oh, two three, it's

1142
01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:00.159
hard to tell. And sometime in the afternoon, now we're

1143
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.719
we do the thing is a clearing and there's woods

1144
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.519
all around us, right, And as we are out in

1145
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.519
the middle and the singers are going and we're doing

1146
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:13.960
our thing, this black helicopter comes into view and he's

1147
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.159
only about five hundred feet off the deck. This helicopter,

1148
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.039
it's probably a four or five seater, it's not tremendously large.

1149
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.760
It's all black and the windows are tinted and there

1150
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.039
are no tail signs. It's a black helicopter with no tails.

1151
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.000
And it's above us and it's just hovering up there,

1152
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.599
and you know, we're doing our thing and every so

1153
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:40.360
often we have to look to the sky and raise

1154
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:42.519
our hands. Right, we do that, and there it is.

1155
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:47.599
And he probably hovered around there for five or six minutes,

1156
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:49.559
just watch, and he was not far and then he

1157
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:54.360
spun to the north and he went to the north

1158
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.639
where most of the activity goes on right, and we

1159
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:01.360
didn't see him. And then we got done. Okay, So

1160
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:03.960
we get done and we're like, what was that all about?

1161
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.039
And you know, we come out, we get our things down,

1162
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:09.960
we have our meal, and we're resting and we're gonna

1163
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:11.800
watch a movie. That's what that's our tradition. Then we

1164
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.320
get done doing this. We have a movie. It's probably

1165
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.679
about nine o'clock, and all of a sudden, down in

1166
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.400
the north in a big valley, there's automatic gun fire.

1167
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.519
It's not it's not the shotguns and the rifles and

1168
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.119
the pistols that you occasionally here up there. I was

1169
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:29.320
in the service. It's automatic weapons, dude, and they open up.

1170
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.239
It probably goes on for two or three there's some

1171
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:36.239
heavy action books. It's automatic weapons, right, and then it's

1172
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:41.280
it's quiet, and now we're all looking, you know, because

1173
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:42.880
we don't want to get you know, it's down there,

1174
01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.400
open those great shots. But we have this feeling of dread.

1175
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:51.519
Everyone does. We're like, we are concerned for our friends

1176
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:55.440
because that's where they mainly are when they are around,

1177
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:58.519
and we you know, the fight, the gun fighting's over

1178
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.599
after two or three minutes, don't hear nothing. We go

1179
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.280
to bed and we get up the next morning and

1180
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:06.480
we're going to pack up, and the spiritual leader tells

1181
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:11.440
us that they knew that the helicopter was coming and

1182
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:15.079
they skied out, and what happened down there was the

1183
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:20.279
two that stayed back, they tried to kill them. That

1184
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:23.640
was the automatic gunfile. They had tried to kill our friends.

1185
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:27.880
We don't understand why. We don't know why. He didn't

1186
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:29.560
know why. I can't tell you who was in the

1187
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:35.359
black helicopter, no clue, but I know a gunfight when

1188
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:40.640
I hear one, And yeah, that's what happened there. And

1189
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:45.439
this last year we had to move. And the only

1190
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.600
thing that happened is because we're closer to a city now,

1191
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:50.520
is one of them walked through the middle of our

1192
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:55.159
camp at night. We all we all, we all woke

1193
01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:57.319
up right, We're like, oh, because we're all in different

1194
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.479
tents now, we're the question and many women are not

1195
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.000
camped to get because we have room. And everybody heard it,

1196
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.239
and everybody's like, oh, it's the fire keeper. Well, the

1197
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:10.119
fire keeper weighs two fifty whatever was walking around wag

1198
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.079
eight hundred or nine hundred. Great And in that last

1199
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:18.279
year before we left that land, on Dan's Land, that

1200
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:24.359
was another we found one track. I put my foot

1201
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.720
next to it. I think it was probably it was

1202
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.600
the only track we ever saw. It was probably eighteen

1203
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:36.479
to twenty inches long, probably at the ball of the

1204
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:41.000
foot probably six to seven inches, and when I stood

1205
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.359
next to it, I'm two forty. I didn't invent the

1206
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.079
ground at all. In this track was probably an inch

1207
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:52.760
in the dirt, inch down in the soft kind of

1208
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:56.760
clay stuff, inch deep massive truck. It was the only

1209
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.159
track that we ever saw. We thought we saw some

1210
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:05.159
moved far, but this one was clearly of track. And

1211
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.439
you know, when people ask us about it, they said, well,

1212
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.720
any pictures and recordings, and as people know who are natives,

1213
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:16.880
we don't record anything from ceremony. Cameras and recording devices

1214
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:22.199
are not allowed. And I was told by the leader

1215
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:25.600
to come on to let people know. You know, the natives,

1216
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:29.680
as we all know, we all have some relationship with

1217
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:35.479
Chia Tunka and some of some of us forrest brothers,

1218
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.199
like the Cherokee to the place where I go. They're

1219
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:42.199
protectors of children. But you got to remember other tribes

1220
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.680
have them as the eaters of men, and they're not

1221
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:52.199
all kind and gentle, but they do all have to

1222
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:57.600
bide by certain physical and spiritual laws. So if you

1223
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:02.239
see them out in the woods and you don't fire

1224
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:04.920
at them or try to do something, then you're most

1225
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.119
likely going to walk away, and almost ninety nine percent

1226
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:14.279
of the time your encounter is not random. Now, there's

1227
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:15.920
not to be said that you can't sneak up on

1228
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:17.960
them if the wind is right and your aura is right,

1229
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.560
and you're very calm and you're not trying. But remember,

1230
01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:24.039
when you're out in the woods, your aura is that

1231
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:29.199
of a predator and petittor has every kind of energy,

1232
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:33.359
and they pick up on that. Do they take us out?

1233
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:36.319
Yes they do. They kill it. There are some that

1234
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:41.239
kill human beings without a doubt. Everyone knows that. We

1235
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:46.680
know our relationship with them. We know that if some

1236
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.079
people have very kind relationships, you got lucky and had

1237
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.560
just like human beings, you found a bigfoot that is

1238
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:57.479
kind and gentle wants to have a relationship with you,

1239
01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:02.479
but with you only. And the thing that I think

1240
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:04.880
people realize and maybe I'll share this, and I don't

1241
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:08.960
know if it's a secret, your ability to see or

1242
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.560
have some kind of encounter has a lot to do

1243
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:17.159
with what you believe. What you believe is possible. Now

1244
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.760
that's not something that can be detected into someone by

1245
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:23.560
looking at them, but it's inside of you. If you

1246
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.760
have the ability to believe. Of course, you're going to

1247
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:28.720
be able to see and have some kind of encounter.

1248
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.359
Looking for and researching them. We all know they're there.

1249
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.279
You know, they say that. What we've heard from them

1250
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:38.399
is that they say, what do you need? You know,

1251
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:42.239
short of a body, right, short of a body, no

1252
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:46.520
one's ever going to believe, especially with AI. But they

1253
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.359
are there, and they've been here for a long time.

1254
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:55.319
There's more than people know. You never remember. There's never

1255
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:01.119
just one. There's never just one. The last thing is that,

1256
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.319
you know, what we were taught is that that headshaking

1257
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:09.640
thing is them trying to go against a mandate or

1258
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.640
there's a word, there's a word for like a law,

1259
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.520
like a spiritual or physical law. When they start shaking

1260
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.760
that head, you've got to be moving. You've got to

1261
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.399
be moving because that means they're going to attempt to

1262
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:27.399
do something if they want you to be deceased there

1263
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:31.920
it doesn't take much. And when we have encounters sometimes

1264
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:33.439
one of the things that we have to remember is

1265
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.319
maybe there's worse things out there that they are protecting

1266
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:41.319
us from. Because if Bigfoot, the possibility a bigfoot is there,

1267
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:43.600
and you know it is, there's other things that are

1268
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:48.000
possibility dogmen. We've all heard of that, the legends of

1269
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.279
what the people on this land have when they goes,

1270
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:55.760
different kinds of shape shifters. If those things, if Bigfoot

1271
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:57.960
is real, those things can be possibly be real too,

1272
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.800
And maybe they're protecting us from a lot of things

1273
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:07.359
that are out there. Don't ever point guns at them.

1274
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:09.960
They can smell gunpowder. That's how they know what it

1275
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:15.319
is and they know can it kill them. I don't

1276
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:18.600
know what happens to them when they die, because we've

1277
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:25.319
never you know. My own thinking is that their body dissipates,

1278
01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:27.760
but maybe it goes back to the dimension where the

1279
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.680
part of them comes from. I don't know, but I

1280
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.800
know that they are not just a physical being, but

1281
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:37.800
they are a physical being. They need substance, They need

1282
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.039
water then you know what they need to reproduce. But

1283
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.079
they have things that they can do that I have

1284
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:46.920
seen and been part of that are things that humans

1285
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.840
can't do. That's about what I.

1286
01:14:49.800 --> 01:15:00.720
Got, William, absolutely fascinating. You had talked about you, and

1287
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.199
I mean, I know you know that I really love

1288
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:11.840
that area east of Eugene. I should say, is there

1289
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:17.600
an area then that I should be cautious of going into?

1290
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:19.760
Or just be aware.

1291
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.840
You know it is you. I listened to your show.

1292
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:32.119
Your heart is in the right place. You're not a threat,

1293
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:36.079
you don't want to harm them. Do I think there

1294
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.760
are places not to go? Yes? I do. Can I

1295
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.720
tell you where they are? No, because it depends on

1296
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.640
which ones you're dealing with. Right. There are somes that

1297
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.159
tolerate us pretty well, there's some that want have relationship,

1298
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:49.359
and there's other ones that like to step on our head.

1299
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:53.640
But it sounds like from your I listened to your show,

1300
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:55.520
you was that in Oregon where you had them on

1301
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:56.399
zip your tent.

1302
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:04.800
That that was actually in Iowa, Ioway. Yeah, that was

1303
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:06.279
Iowa where I live.

1304
01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:08.600
That was nuts.

1305
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:12.720
I can't I can't say on air, but I we

1306
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:18.119
can talk off. Yeah.

1307
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:19.920
Do you remember what Iowa stands for.

1308
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.560
It's the Ioway tribe. Correct.

1309
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.560
See when I was in South Dakota, Iowa standard for

1310
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.000
idiots not wandering around.

1311
01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:33.840
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it. I'm not

1312
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:41.039
originally from the state, so it doesn't bother me. But yeah,

1313
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:42.760
we get we have a lot of fun out here,

1314
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:46.800
so you do. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm originally from

1315
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:52.199
Western mass so yeah, it's a different.

1316
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.520
I would say, I would say, you know, I would

1317
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:57.279
say that the further norse that you get, the meaner.

1318
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.479
They get in Oregon.

1319
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.520
And the further north into Canada.

1320
01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:06.359
Ah, yes, of course, I you know, the.

1321
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:11.319
One I had in Eugene was very protective. I can't

1322
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:13.079
say because most of my encounters have been in the

1323
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:18.000
Seer Madres and then in Mount Washington. I think that

1324
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.920
you well, you need to ask yourself what you want

1325
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.960
to do. You want to have a relationship, you want

1326
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.239
to see them, you want to hear them. What do

1327
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:25.720
you want to do?

1328
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:30.760
I mean, I absolutely want to I would love to

1329
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:36.479
see one next that. That is something that I've I've

1330
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:46.800
come to to internally. Yeah, I'm there. I am absolutely there.

1331
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.239
You know. I told myself when they when I was

1332
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:53.880
told they were coming around, and I was like, yeah,

1333
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.920
I'll see one. And when I did, I think I

1334
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.039
was blessed by having the one who showed himself to

1335
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.920
me not to be threatening. I however, saw that he

1336
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:04.640
could have been in a minute, you know, in the

1337
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:08.920
in the wrong circumstance, right, But he was. He was

1338
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:14.199
a nice guy. But I also believe that anything is possible.

1339
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.479
I really do. After being in these ways all my

1340
01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:19.880
life and seeing the things that I've seen, I think

1341
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:21.720
that will do for most people out there. If you

1342
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:23.640
want to have an encounter in the best way is

1343
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:28.119
that once the mindset is that anything is possible, most

1344
01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:29.199
things become possible.

1345
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:37.159
If let's say you have people listening where they are

1346
01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:45.199
reaching out to them and there's conversations going on, what

1347
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.479
is our responsibility when it comes to that.

1348
01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:55.239
Our responsibility is in Native ways and especially the people

1349
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:57.239
I belong to, is to treat everyone as a relative,

1350
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:03.239
have that respect for their space, their ways, because their

1351
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.359
ways are different than ours. Right. But I will tell

1352
01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:10.760
people big foot Sasquatch are drawn to Native American ceremony.

1353
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.960
If you start talking to people who go to ceremony,

1354
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.319
now they're always around. They are drawn to ceremony. I

1355
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:20.520
think that is the spiritual component of them. I have

1356
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:23.279
a deep spiritual component of the people. You know, you've

1357
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.239
heard people start looking into their eyes as a life

1358
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:26.039
changing experience.

1359
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:34.159
No, absolutely, one hundred one hundred percent. I will. I

1360
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:36.640
don't know if you've ever heard me talk about this,

1361
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:41.119
because I think I've talked about it maybe once the

1362
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:48.359
last the Sunday after the festival in Oak Ridge or

1363
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:51.960
was it Monday? And I was driving around and a

1364
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:56.520
gentleman there, William had said, or Bill, he'd said, are

1365
01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.680
you are you ready to see one? I'm like yeah.

1366
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.880
So I was driving around the reservoir and I was

1367
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:09.159
I was like, I am ready to see one. The

1368
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:12.880
second afterwards, I drove by this tree, a pine tree

1369
01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:16.840
that was covered in the ivy. This is wild, And

1370
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:19.720
I saw the silhouette of one in the ivy for

1371
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.199
like half second and then disappeared, and I was like, whoa,

1372
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:28.560
what what just happened? Dude? It was wild?

1373
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.000
Do you feel like that was one?

1374
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:35.960
I don't know. I honestly don't know, because I had

1375
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:39.119
gotten a really bad infection in my legs out there,

1376
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:42.520
and so I was starting to take antibiotics and I

1377
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:44.520
don't know if that was like I had a fever

1378
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.479
at the time. So I honestly don't know. I want

1379
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:49.399
it to be you know.

1380
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.399
Well. You know, one pieces of advice that I would

1381
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:55.560
tell everybody in a lot of things is one of

1382
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.079
the things when we want something, you have to you

1383
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.760
have to know what that looks like. So someone says

1384
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.000
I wanted to be better. Do you know what being

1385
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:05.880
better looks like? I want to have more. Do you

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know what that looks like? You have to in your

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mind know what it looks like here. Did you see one?

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My guess is yes, you did. You know when you're

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in a distance, so in ceremony, when you fast, you

1390
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become different, When you have a fever, you become different

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exactly things that go on. Ut you know you I

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01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:25.840
think you did, but you have to tell yourself that

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you did without any doubt. There's no room. You know,

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the people that you talked to, I would imagine and

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01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:35.000
listening to your show for a year and a half,

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they don't have any doubt about what they saw, did they?

1397
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Absolutely? Yeah, you're right, You're you're right.

1398
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There's no doubt at all.

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Yeah. Oh man, this is great, Oh boy, William. It

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has been just a privileged to talk to you and

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and and thank you for sharing just uh what a

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01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.319
what a view inside is something that most listeners would

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01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:05.399
never experience, and it's very special that you have shared that.

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Thank you.

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01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:08.039
You're very welcome.

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Jeremiah, I'm gonna we're going to cut recording. I want

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to talk to you for a minute, if that's.

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01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.000
All right, Yes, that's fine.

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I just wanted to take a few minutes to say

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thank you to you all my listeners for listening to

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you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or

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know someone who has, please reach out to me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

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see you back next time. Listeners. SASA with Summerfest this

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