Ceremonial Encounters with Chiye-Tanka

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Big for Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to William today. William is a helper to a spiritual leader and he reached out to want to share some things that have happened at ceremonies over the years. So William, welcome to the show.

0:55 Thank you, Jeremiah, it's a pleasure to be on. Absolutely should we also share right off the bat where these encounters are taking place as well. So we've had encounters outside of Eugene Oregon. We've had encounters up in the Sierra Madres close to a place called North San Juan. And we've had places we've had things happen to us out in New York, close to a place, a little town called Millerton. Those are the ones that I'm comfortable with.

1:36 I know Millerton actually very well. I grew up on the East coast. That's very interesting. I'm going to let you go ahead and feel free to take us back to where we need to go and share with us what we can learn today. Okay, okay, So my first readings, you know, I was in sixty one, so I remember passing Gimlin film and then as a as a young teenager, was a little bit on the hell in side, and was sent to a place for troubled youth, let's put it at that. And I was into Bigfoot and their book came up, I don't remember which, and we were in the Black Hills of South Dakota, and I lived in South Dakota at that time, and we were a firefighting crew and a logging crew, and we were all into all kinds of crazy stuff. And I started having dreams about Bigfoot, and you know, the boys started getting nervous because you know, I was starting to see things and things were coming true.

2:42 And that's another story. But anyways, we got through fire season and me and a guy who were in this facility decided that one night we were going to escape. I don't know where we were going, because we were deep in the hills of South Dakota and the Black Hills. And we went out a side door and we started walking through the brush and we were paralleling, paralleling a road that went up to the main highway. And as we were walking through there, we started hearing something shadowing us. And it's about the time the smell hit us, and then we heard like a rumble, and you know, we knew exactly what that was, and so we ran for the road and we turned ourselves in. And so I was sixteen, the first time that I really had an encounter.

3:25 And so the years go by, and you know, we start to get older and we start learning things, and sometime in my let's see my early thirties, I started learning the ways of my people, and I became a helper to a spiritual leader, and he started teaching me things, and we started traveling, and we started doing a lot of spiritual things. And in two thousand and nine he had a dream or a vision about doing this ceremony to help missing children, and it was going to be a two day ceremony and there was going to be fastening and dancing, ceremonial dancing, and we were gonna pray for all the children that are missing. So in twenty ten he was having this outside of Eugene, Oregon, and we had never been there before, and it was like a lot of things that happened when you're trying to do a ceremony, things just fall together. And we found this property and this man let us use it, and on the first night, something happened at late at night.

4:33 It was a scary thing that happened. I won't go into it, but something came that frightened us. And when we all gathered together underneath the nawning, it was raining, and probably about an hour into us being there and starting to relax after this scary event, woodknocking started. And we didn't know about wood knocking then, but it started and it probably went on once every ten f fifteen minutes until dawn, and we didn't know what it was, and now we do. And it was like something was sitting out there, and it was like knocking on the tree, letting us know that it's okay. Now we'll be afraid because a lot of these places that when we do these things, they happen in places that are very remote, very remote, you know, away from the public, so people can't come and spectate. It's imitation only. So we're usually way out in the middle of nowhere. And so we had that happen, and the spiritual Leader told us when the ceremony was over that it was Bigfoot. He used a different name. He uses a Lakota name, saying chi a Tonka. I hear people on the podcast which really try to say that word. It's Chia tonka. No. Chia is your older brother if you're a male, and tonky is something that's big. So to his people, the Lookota people,

6:03 his people, chay Tonkami's my my big older brother. It's because of their relationship. And he told us that the Bigfoot had come around because in the medicine that he did leading that Bigfoot was a protector of children. And so, I mean, we had no reason to disaree. We didn't know. And that's when you know, we said, okay, and so we carried on and eleven and twelve happened, and then twelve we went to the east coast to look at some property for maybe doing this children's dance again, and then Sandy Hook happened, and so we decided that we would have this children's dance in twenty thirteen on this piece of property that was close to Sandy Hook. And when we got ready, you know, we always have some time to get ready, a couple of the people that we had were sleeping out by where we were going to do this, and they hurt something. And when they opened their tent, they saw a big black bigfoot run across the circle that hadn't set up to have the ceremony, and it really unnerved them, you know, and they right away came up to the house where everybody was getting ready, because natives liked to sit around and drink coffee and smoke cigarettes until the wee hours, and so they came up and they told everybody, and everybody went down and nothing happened. You know. It was a good thing, praying for those children, and we packed it up, and then in fourteen we went to the reservation for ceremony now

7:36 on the reservation that he would take us to. When we would get there in middle June, there would always be to talk about who saw what? Where did you see the big Foot? Where did you see the chia tonk? Where did you see? People had sightings? And one of the people who came to this place we were at brought a recording, and you know, it was the first time I had ever heard that long, drawn out like scream. You know that they make the kind of like the Michigan Is it the Michigan tape, like the Ohio Ohio the Ohio. Yes. So we heard that and we we we heard that. We got there late, right, so it's about eight or nine o'clock, and we listened to that, and we went into lodge. And I won't give it any more than that. We went into lodge and we didn't come out until about midnight, right, So we're coming out of lodge and all of a sudden you hear the scream and it's children. It's more than one kid, it's two or three kids, And it's that scream. As a parent you hear, you know, your kids in trouble.

8:43 And so we all come booking out of lodge, you know, and these kids come screaming over and their eyes were wide, and they said, there was this little awning built for a cookshack a cooking here. So in events and ceremonies when there's fasting, the kitchen is always a good ways away from where where the ceremony is going to happen, so that the people who are participating there fastening, they don't have to see the food. They said there was something under there, and so of course we went running over there and there was nothing there, but the kids were fighting, and they said it was a big foot and a small bigfoot. Maybe a mother and a child won, you know, But the yawning was only about seven feet tall, and they said the bigger ones head was no higher than the onyx. So I'm thinking, you know, under seven feet.

9:30 And as we were looking around, you know, because the kids are fighting, the women folks that they are getting fightened, and some of the men were fighteninged, right because this is the middle of nowhere, this is a ceremony where all kinds of things come around. And then we were looking around and we noticed this floating green orb. It was only part of the size of a big marble, and it was just staying on the outside of where you could see it, and it was moving and you almost could see a shape. But when you're like out on the reds and it's no moon, no stars, it's black, right, And so this green orb was floating around us and we watched it and people got afraid, but like anything, it went on for so long. People went to bed, they really did, and it just stayed out of reach.

10:18 But when there was me and my daughter and this big biker dude from New York, we were sitting up and we saw it come and it floated down by us. You know, it's just this green orb, about the size of a big marble, and it stopped by this guy's car, and we got up and we walked over and there it was. It wasn't a wasn't a firefly. It was a green orb. Now it's about the size of a golf ball, and it's just like pulsing, and the three of us are looking at it. You know, we're not we're not afraid. It's just this thing. And then it took off across the meadow and this person that hung a buffalo skull up in the tree to get the meat, let the come and get the meat. Off of it and the flesh off of it, and it zoomed over there and then it was gone, and we thought, wow, what's going on? And so, you know, we went to bed.

11:12 Next morning, I got up and I went over by the cook shack to see what was going on, and then I jumped the creek. There was a creek there, and I was walking around looking at about all forty yards from the cook shack was all the watermelon and canalope rins all laying on the ground and somebody had eaten all of it, the missing food from the kitchen that we were going to have after we came on lodge. And so as I was watching it, you know, looking around, I could see where something big had been moving because I grew up outside. But they weren't leaving tracks, but you could see where they had been moving. And the spread on these on these strides was probably five five and a half feet, And as I could see where it had moved, because I think there was two of them, in the lower one wasn't as a depth as the bigger one of keeping his or her steps, they came up to the other part of the creek and you had to jump up across the creek and it was higher elevation, and right at our side of the creek where it was muddy, there was a print, but it looked like pitchfork. It was probably the center time from top to bottom was probably eighteen inches twenty inches, and then it had two sides that came out, so it looked like a three time will probably more like a potato fork. But that was the print, and I didn't know what to make of it because it was deep, but that was that was either a printer or was

12:43 a sign. So that was twenty fourteen, and then we moved into we were out in California. We started doing Calvern and in twenty fifteen, the leader started talking to us about Bigfoot. He started explaining the knowledge that he had about them being protectors of children, but also spiritual beings that can move between places. You know, the best context that he could put it to us, and he didn't use these words, but I could use the best way. I would describe as interdimensional beings that were able to do things that we weren't able to do. And he started teaching us and one of the things that he taught us early on about chiney Tanka was that there's this thing. I don't know if this is much for people, but there's this thing in ceremonial and spiritual work about working with spirits. If you've been to ceremony native ceremony, you know the spiritual exists, or if you're if you're not a native, angels would be a good word. He told us that the Bigfoot was an ancestor of ours up until about fifteen thousand years ago, because that's he had read and heard something. He's pretty smart piercing together.

14:05 I think I heard that if you take Bigfoot DNA, there's a someone figured out about fifteen thousand years ago is when it changed. The DNA changed, and they're whatever they became involved with us. So the ninety five percent human is a is an ancestor of us. But the five percent that is unidentifile is the essence or the DNA of a being that was from a different dimension that parked itself in an ancestors of ours and made them the way they are. That was his explanation, No reason to doubt it. The man has never lied to us.

14:48 He's always told us the truth, and everything that he's ever said has always come true. So you know he was, he was getting us ready, and then he started telling us that they were around. They liked these children ceremonies, and they came around, and that they wanted to make contact with us. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? Well, that really weirded a lot of us out. I remember reading hearing Jeremiah that you'd had your own adventures in Oregon, and you you can understand when people tell you, you know, this is more than the door opening, the zippering, this is this is then wanting to come forward, right and wanting to step out of the shadow.

15:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know he's kind of calm about it, but he's still a little nervous. And when he's nervous, I'm really nervous. Okay. I take my cues from him. And so we started going out to Militant in twenty fifteen and we had some friends out there, and then we went over into the Massachusetts signed by Mount Washington. Are you familiar with. That, absolutely? Yep. Yeah. So we started doing things at Mount Washington. And what we were doing, I'm not going to go into and say the name, but we would put people and they would sit out in the woods for a number of days and they would fast and they would they would pray, and then you know, they'd be out there a certain amount of days and then we bring them in and and and listen to them. And we started doing that in fifteen, and in sixteen we had a whole bunch of people. There's there's people that are just starving for native ways and they want to learn things.

16:36 And the guy that I work for or work with, he's not he's not adverse to working with non natives. He says that spiritual knowledge is for everyone, whereas a lot of natives don't think we should do anything with non natives. But seems not that way. So we were putting a lot of people out there. You know, he would only need two at a time, we do, a man and a woman, and he would keep them close to where we were. But he would put the men out in the middle of this forest and all as helpers. We called it the Haunted Woods. It was creepy when they would sit out there for one to four days, right, no water, if we would never be out there praying, And so we were in sixteen. We were doing this and we had a lot of people and it was probably if they're sixth day. We had taken somebody out and bought somebody down, and we were going to put somebody else out, and so we had to go out to the spot where he was using and gather all their things right, and then take their things to the fire and burn them, and then put the new person's things up and set up their space. And me and the leader and the singer. It was this native guy from California and his people have Bigfoot songs that they used to talk to Bigfoot and have relationship with bigfoot. Right, So me and the leader in this in this singer, we were out there was three or four other people and we were setting up the site, and then the leader had those other guys started to set up the side, and he had me and the singer come with him about all five ten steps away from theywork, and he said, I want you to look over there. And now this

18:07 for us is old growth, big trees, you know, but a lot of trails kind of opened the big trees, and he said, I want you to look over here. And so we're looking, you know, because when when people like that tell you something, you pay attention because you're supposed to learn something. Right, So we're looking over there, and then he asked the singer, and he asked Mike. He said, sing that bigfoot song. Now, Mike has this big voice, big voice, big voice, you know. So he starts putting it out there. And the leader always has him sing loud, so he's like, you know, he's singing this bigfoot song. And as we're looking over there, he must have been standing behind a tree. This is the first time I really get a good picture of one. He must have been sending with his back to the tree, away from us, right, he just kind of pivoted on his right shoulder. He turned to his right and it's like his shoulder was on the tree, and he pivoted around to look at us. And the three of us were probably forty five fifty feet from him. We're close.

19:07 He pivots out and he looks at us. Now, I'm six one two forty he's maybe six two six three, and he doesn't weigh anymore than me. And he is he is gray, and he is brown, and he's red, but he's more gray. His face is hairy, but it's very human like, but it's it hits a hairy face. And when he pivoted. He just looked at us, and you know, Mike is singing, and I'm just like, you know, wow, you know, I don't know what to say, and the Spiritual Leader is looking at him, and there's something going on there. I don't know what it was. And then the Spiritual Leader just kind of shook his head and the big foot that was he shook his head and he just pivoted back around behind the tree and probably lasted maybe a man it maybe a minute and a half.

20:03 And so we set up the guys site and then we went back down to where we were camping, and then that night we had a lodge and we got in the lodge and Leader told us that he'd come and let us know that they were going to watch over us and that they would be around, just to give us a heads up. So in sixteen, you know, we were up there for a while and this isn't that bad. You know, you knew there was around, but that siding was what we talked about, right, and so we got through it. And then in seventeen we moved from We had a spot in north of Petaluma, California that we did ceremony and we moved up into the Sierra Madres, Old Vietnam War that had some land up there.

20:47 Real crusty dude, you know, nice as could be, but real crusty, real hard. And our leader used to be marine. And so these two got it on. It's fifteen miles from North San Juan, if anyone knows what North San Juan is, is just the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere. And you had to go Interstate to four lane highway to two lane highway right, and then the two lane highway broke down into a gravel road, and then you drove on the gravel road, and then he turned onto a dirt road. And the dirt road was a mile from the gravel to this place, one mile his own road, not maintained by the city or the county, his own road.

21:28 And he invited us, his wife was alive at the time, to have ceremony there. We were needing a place. Now, this ceremony, I'm not going to give its name, but it's twelve days long, okay. So in seventeen we set up there and we have four days where we get ready, and we have four days where we do the actual ceremony, and we have four days. That's closing and anyway, So in seventeen we camped all over this land. We had probably thirty thirty five forty people camped all over right, no issues, no issues. And then in eighteen we great useless land. During this four days, I was doing things.

22:13 I slept out in the middle with this other guy. I'm not going to go into those people who know what I'm talking about knowing if they don't, that's okay. So me and this dude were sleeping out in the middle, right, and I woke up and I was cold, and I something was not off, you know, something Something woke me up, and I kind of sat up and I looked around and over in the south it's marked by some fabricanos. I looked over in the south and we had taken this big gasoline drum. It might have held two or three hundred gallons when it was, you know, it was empty, and we'd putting it up on this metal stand that the guy had because that's where he used to keep his gas. Standing over there were three sets of red eyes.

22:55 Now the top of that gas had to be all of ten or eleven feet. The three eyes were standing over there and they weren't much They weren't much shorter than the top of that gasoline cap. But the thing that I got by looking at because you know, it spooped that I'm going to I'm going to say, it's scared the you know, it's scared scared me pretty good. The impression that I got was that they were very thin, but I knew who they were, and I looked at them, they looked at me, and I just said, you know, like a lot of times, people who do ceremony will tell you you just look away and pray that you know it's going to be a good outcome, right, So I just turned away and I went back to sleep, and I told the spiritual leader and he said, yeah, they were around, and nothing happened. We camped there, and then we get into twenty nineteen, and now we've been going to this land for months. We go up there outside of the summer and do do sweats, and the leaders telling us that they're they're coming around and they want you to know they're around. So in nineteen when we were up there, you could feel when you stopped from pops, you could feel when they were around. And it was changing to the point where you could feel where they were at. You knew that someone right over in that thicket, there's somebody over there, and you could feel when they're around. And the feeling was it wasn't frightening,

24:26 but it was not soothing either. It was there was something over there that was powerful. There was a being there that knew more. It was just it was a powerful presence. But it was also you were safe. I don't know how that they were there to make you safe. And so we knew where they were at, and we were getting comfortable with them, and once in a while you'd hear what not, you might hear a little who in question the right, And so in nineteen we were really getting comfortable with them. And you know, we'd seen the three big ones the year before, and then when we got started in nineteen. We get up about three thirty four o'clock in the morning and we have to get in lodge and we have to do things, and then we come out before the sun to do our thing for the four days. We come out before the sun rises and we're we're in there and there's the women are in the lodge and the guys are standing around and we use these porta potties and the porta potty door slams. Now it's it's four thirty in the morning, it's dark, it's I mean, we're up in the mountains.

25:45 It's dark. And that door slams so hard it jarred me. And we all looked at each other like what was that? And the Leader starts walking over there, and you know, we start heading over there, and the door slams again. I mean they they slammed the door, and so we get you know, somebody finds the big By this time, we have this this big spotlight as someone who's bought because evidently if we're going to see something, they want to see it as bright as you can, right, So they have this huge lumen flashed light. We take it over there. There's nothing there. When the spiritual Leader walked over there, and I'll give us some credits, well I wouldn't have locked over there, and he just listens and he said, they're angry what we're doing with the waste.

26:35 Now we have these porta potties and we are emptying in the marselves. We empty him in with a shot back into some garbage cans, and then we haul them down the mountain side and we dump him in this holes. No excuse me. We were just dumping him on the ground. And the instruction was from him was to start digging a hole and putting the waste in holes, you know, burying it. As he said, it was defending them. Never question is where. But that's what we were told, right, And so in the morning, you know, after that happened, we get ready and it's just getting daylight. The sun's just coming up, and we're lined up to go in and I look over and there is ahead. It's a huge head and it's walking from my left. I'm looking let's see, I'm looking north. It's walking from my left to my right, and it's just the head and part of the shoulders because of the incline. And he just walks right by me. I mean, he's down there and I see him, and he just fought. He doesn't even look at me. He just keeps walking right and he just walks amongst the trees and like not a cure in the world of whether I saw him or not, you know. And then you know, we heard a few weird sign There started being a few pebble tossing here and there, just enough to make you jump in and

28:06 keep you on edge. But no bigs, no big stuff until we get to twenty and then from nineteen. From twenty, you know, pandemic hits. We still do things, but now we all can't close together and we're a little more nervous. But it's a pandemic and we really don't have anything happen. And then in twenty one, I guess this is when life changing things happen. I'm you know, people can say what they want. I was not alone in these happenings. There was sometimes as many as thirty or forty people. They're going through the same things and going through this.

28:49 So in twenty one, we go up to the land and there's me, my son, my wife, her sister, the leader, and this other woman who's going to sit out for a while. She's gonna sit and pray fast. And we get up there in twenty one, and we get there. My wife's sister is there right now. She's she's my wife's adopted sister in a native way, and her name's Kanya. And this girl is part Mexican and there's nothing in the world that makes her afraid. She's just got she got warror energy, right, She's sitting in her car, and she said she's been hearing noises and she's sitting in a car ready to go, which really kind of surprised me because I've known this woman for ten years at this point, I've never seen her afraid. And so we get out and the spiritual Leader walks into the woods, not far maybe ten fifteen yards, and he standing out there and he starts singing song and he's up singing and the woods got quiet and it was like he was listening. And then he came back and he gathered us that were there and he said, come here. So we walked out here and he said the chia tonka that are here are different than the ones before. We're like what and he said, there's different ones here. These are warriors. These are Akeisha tell Wells is maybe a word for warrior, zuyez maybe a word for warrior. Can't remember whether the word, but there were warriors right, and

30:21 we said okay, and the the energy was different. The energy was different. And then when we progressed in the year, we had this guy come over from Switzerland. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. He was going to sit out right he was going to sit out in twenty one. So he gets put out down and down in the mountain in this little valley, and we put him off there and the first night, me and my son, and you have to have someone you have to have a fire going, right, the whole time you're doing stuff, you have to have a fire going.

31:19 So you have to have someone to watch your fire. He's picked his his friend who's a female, and the guy that I do stuff with, he allows women to do fire. And me and my son are there and she's watching fire and we're talking, and me and my son go to bed, and we're in there about an hour. We're not we're not sleeping, and she comes over my tent and she says, you need to come over here. There's something going on. So me and my son get out and walk over to where we have the fire, and she says, over there, now the Vietnam bedroom lives up the hill. You know, we're down on the pull the news down that driveway. First you come Torey and then you take a left and you go up the hill, probably about one hundred yards right. He lives up there. Now.

32:01 He has a horse over there, and he has an alpaca. One of us the pack has died just before we get there, and there was rumor that maybe a bigfoot got his out pocket, but he never confined, he never confirmed it. She said there's something over there. So we're standing there. You know, once again, it's dark up there and where she's pointing to where the crowd is, you can't see anything. You can hear the horse occasion, but you can't see anything. And you hear that, And if you've been out in the woods and you hear that and it's one of them, you know that that's not at all because it's too big, right, It's just too big, and it's who And we're like what, you know? Because now it gets your attention because it's it's it's a big voice. You know, this is coming from a big voice box. And then goes hoo. It starts doing that.

32:51 Holy cow, the hair stood up on my on my head it still does thinking about it. And it did that for about fifteen seconds, making those weird noises, and then it stopped. We're looking up. They were like, wow, I needed to say. We didn't go to sleep, but there was nothing else happening right, and the dawn came and me and my son we went to sleep, and then we got up and we had to get Mike, the singer I talked about, because he was coming up to help us. So we got Mike and we came back to the land, and you know, the day went on in that phone. We were hanging out, and then it got dark, and we were hanging out. At about eleven o'clock, you heard a scream. It was more fierce than the ohio the house. It was deep, it resonated.

33:45 It was coming from where the Swiss guy was sitting, and it made your organs move a little bit. It was loud, it was deep, and it was sparce and we all jumped up and we looked at each other, and my son's for the big spotlight, and what are we gonna do? Because when someone's sitting out no one's supposed to see them. They're sitting out there by themselves. You're not supposed to the only personh's supposed to see him as the spiritual leader who takes him out there. And he's sitting out there and he looks at us, and then the second scream goes and it's a loud and it's fears and he looks at us, and he goes, we got an angry big foot, and then he does something I don't know what. He starts going down there to where that guy is. Now it's down in the valley.

34:32 It's black as it's coal miners black down there, and this thing has just screamed twice and the other two guys grabbed the light and they start taking the trail, but he's across country because it's maybe one hundred yards down there. And as we're moving down there, you heard a third scream from the same area. It's just loud. It probably goes on for five or six seconds, and it's just so powerful. And we stop and we're kind of close because we're not supposed to look at that guy. And he walks up on him and he starts talking to the guy and they talked back and forth, and he turns around the points with his head and we start walking up the hill without the guy. I'm like, what is this dude is not coming back with us.

35:19 You've got to be nuts, dude, And so we get back up to where we're having the fire and he says the dude says he feels protected within his face and he doesn't know what it was, but he just woke him up, and so we let him stay out. During the next day, we went and got him and we put him in the lodge. And when you're done sitting out and you go in the lodge, you tell your story. You know what you prayed about or maybe something you received. And he said that. Later that night, when he was sitting in that spot, they came and they sat outside the spot and they talked to him in his head and they said, I want you to tell your spiritually thank you for helping us and praying for us. And that was his message. I'm like, wow, all right. So we get through that, and then we have the children's ceremony coming up on the same land.

36:13 Now we've moved to this land and there's only a few of us travel restrictions, so we're going to have this children's ceremony up there, and there's a tree there that we're going to use. And there's only like five of us, five or six of us, right, and we get started. This children's dance is different from the other things we do. We start later in the day and we don't have to completely fast, and we get started on that first day, right, and we are doing our thing and we're resting and we're going in and praying and dancing. And we had a place there was an old dilapilated trailer, one bedroom, probably a forty five footter.

36:56 Maybe it's old RV trailer. Someone had parked on his land and just left it. And the man would go back there to go go bathroom, you know, go urinate. That's where you would go. And know it was right next to the lodge, and then you go between the lodge and they trail and you go back there. And there was a big BlackBerry brambles that roll on this west side. And so I go over there. You know, there's only five of us and I walk up there to go to the bathroom. I'm wearing a ceremonial skirt, no shirt, barefooted, and I walk over there, and I moved my skirt to go to the bathroom. You know, I'm looking down and I look up and there he is.

37:41 He's eight feet away from me, maybe nine top ten feet. He's that close. He has crouched down in the BlackBerry bramble bush and he's made a big circle because he must have been there for a while. He's looking me the eye he looks exactly like Patty, except this dude is I'm not exaggerating. He's five feet across the shoulders. If I weigh two hundred and forty pounds, he weighs a thousand. That's how much bigger he was than me.

38:22 He was massive, massive, And the way that these crowds down there, he's able to see me. And if I'm six one, he's looking me in the eyes. I figure he's eight feet maybe a little weird feet. His chest is bare, almost like a gorilla. The hair on his arms and his legs is long three four inches. His head is slightly conical, but not like people say. It's not round, but it's not conical. It's somewhere in between. Right, He's looking at me, and he has no whites. His eyes are totally black. There's no whites in his eyes.

39:02 The first thought that goes through my head is you don't smell. I don't know why, maybe because by this time I was listening to all kinds of podcasts and stories about people talking about how bad the smell. And I'm looking at him, and as the first thought is like, you don't smell, now, I realized his arms. You know this this is probably pretty close. If he's eighty nine feet away from me, his arms long enough that I feel like he could grab me. I really do. The way that he is leaning for it's almost like a gorilla, does you know, because their arms are so much longer, But his legs aren't short like that. His legs are like massive. The way he's haunched, I mean, the the the energy that is contained in this being, just by the way that he is, the way that he has set himself is like amazing. It's just it's overwhelmed. And I just looked at him, and I think that we probably stood there. I know it's hard to do, but I'm gonna say a couple of minutes. He just kind of looked once in a while. He kenn't tilt his head, but he wasn't threatening me. I mean, if he wanted to do anything to me, there was nothing I was going to do. There was nothing I was going to do.

40:22 There was nothing. And he looked at me, and I'm the one that turned away. I'm like, I gottage with my sister in law. She got to see, she's got to see my sister in law has always had my back. And I went together and we came back and he was gone, and I've only gone. It took me thirty seconds to grab her and bring her back. There. He has left that spot, that big he's like, he's like pushed the BlackBerry brambles down, like making a bed, but there's no trail in or out, and he made no sounds. And I'm like, he was right here, dude, and she's like, well, I believe you because I can look in your eyes. I believe you. But he was gone, right, And so we have that and then we, you know, we get done with children's dance, and then in August we have that ceremony. It takes all those days. So in the forties we're getting ready. We're all camping close together. Now well the men and women are coping camping close together, and the people who run the kitchen are up on the hill and we start doing this this thing that we do for all these days. And I'm sitting on there like the shade hoe where we rest in our shade eye, and I'm looking around. I look back to where you can kind of tell where the Swiss guy sat, and I'm looking down there. I see this tree that is you know, it's old growth has fallen over into this other tree, and I'm just kind of looking, because you know, when you're out there for you know, you're doing something for four days without food and water, you get interested in a lot of other things. And so

41:52 I'm looking. And as I follow the big tree that fell into the other tree, it fell into a tree that had a y and somebody's build a platform up there. And as I look closer, the platform also has a roof and it's big. We all look, we all can see that this platform with the roof on it on top of these trees, looks down in the spot where the Swiss guy was sitting. It was almost like they could have been up there and they could have come down that tree and been right where the Swiss guy was so quick to protect him. Because that was the feeling that we had that it had protected him. That really blew us away, right, And so the leader of telling us, yes, they are here to watch over us because we're doing important work, and they love the children and even this thing we do outside of the children's dances also for the children in a different way. And so he tells us, you know, to pray for them for their help and tell them, thank you, and not to be afraid because they want these says to us.

42:55 And this is the thing that's hard for us. They want to come into the fire, and so everything that we do and they able to tell everything that runs that's you know about praying and stuff. There has to be a fire from start to finish. They have to have a you have to have a fire going at all times. And if it goes out and it's Ober, and so he says they want to come to the fire, and everybody looks at each other and and he's the first one to say, makes me nervous because what do they want? They want to contact us. So we get down with twenty one and then we move into twenty two. Now we know when we go up to land in twenty two that they're around, right, we know there's different ones around. As soon as you go to land twenty two, you don't now like years before with the other ones, you could tell where they were. And when we got there and we're standing around, the spiritual Leader said they're over there. They're there. And when he had you look over there to feel that and get you could feel it.

43:54 He knew exactly where they were. And when he pointed out, it was this weird thing. You didn't know. As soon as he pointed it out, you did no. And there was five or six of them, and the energy was like if you've ever been around somebody that was like in the Seals or Force Recon and the Green Berets, they have an aura. They have an aura that says, you know, don't mess, don't mess, right, yep, that's what it felt like. They felt like, these are some warriors and don't mess. And so as we take that in right, we're like, okay, this is all right. They're not going to hurt us. So we get this girl sitting in the lodge and she's gonna be out for a couple of days, and we get her fire going, and we're taking terms, me and my sister alone. We're taking turns.

44:42 So she gets up to feed the fire and then I get it the next hour. So you get a couple of hours sleep, right, she does it, then I do it, So it's my turn. I set my alarm when I get up about three o'clock on this first night we're up there, and I feed the fire and alson, I hear this noise. It's it's it's a battle. Society will be right back after these messages. It's a battle. There's involving things that aren't me, that aren't It's a battle between those warriors whatever they have gotten down there. It's to the north of us, down the hill, and they are going at it. I mean it is. You can feel that. It's tooth and nail.

45:41 And as fast as it got started, it was over. And when it stopped, you knew that something died, you knew something got killed. There was no there was no denying it. Here's one of the weird things. No one else woke up. And I'll get to some way that really in some of our later things, no one wakes up, right, no one. I'm like, how did you guys not wake up? And so I went back to sleep and we get through the night, and I said to anyway you guys hear anything? People like, no, I didn't hear nothing, And the spiritu guy looks at me, he says, yeah, I did. And so we get through the day. And now as it's getting in the evening where you always watching the weather, there's a chance of rain. Now we got to make a decision. Now we got to keep this fire going, right, we count the fire going out, and you can keep a fire going in any rains. So I don't know people know this. Just by making sure that it's really hot when it starts and keeping it fed, you can keep a fire going. And his last result was an old wood burning stove and that old dilapelated trailer, right, that's the last resort you can move some fire in there.

46:52 So we got to make the decisions. Well, we're going to stay for the fire and keep her fire going as the spiritually they're going to bring her out early. And he taught stuff because we're helping him, and we say, let's do it. Let's let's go the night. We can keep it going. And we make that decision. And there's something behind this little green building and stuff. There's something snapped, something big stepped on something. Now first I thought it was bigfoot. I'm like, that's awful close and that's awful freaking big dude. I've heard you guys before. That's that's that's massive. Spiritually, just looking over there, and he says, let's go get her, and I'm like, wow, I thought. So we have a tent set up that my wife and her sister are sleeping in and have some cots, right, and so we're gonna go get this girl, and we here a woo. It's up by where the road comes into the land, so it's a mile away, right. And then so that's on north. If you're looking north, it's right there one eight over in the south you hear woo.

47:55 And then between that south and north on the one eighty towards the west side, there are woop's going on there. Now, you know, there's five or five, six of them. They're whooping to each other and they're moving. They're moving towards us. We get that girl all the lodge, right, We get her. The girls get her over into this tent and we sit on these two cots and there's six of five or right now, the wops are getting louder, and they're moving. They're moving together. And as we're sitting in there and he starts to talk to her and do some stuff, the noises louder. They're converging, and now they're over by the lodge and over by that trailer, and the whooping is going up in decibels, right, and she's talking very calmly because she's still doing whatever she's doing. You know, praying and doing what she did. You start to feel your body shake. The hairs on your body just start to rise. And they're whooping, right, and they're now it's coming into almost like one whoop. And she's talking, this is this weird, weird academy, right, this girl who a little bit ago was praying and was fastening and now has been taken out of that zone, still in that zone in her head and her spirit, and she's talking about what she went through and we're listening and you hear that oohoooo. And now I'm not kidding. It's as loud as a jet airliner. It's one hundred and twenty decibels, dude, and they are just rocking your body and it's one

49:25 it is one voice woo and they are just putting it on. Oh oh man. We're looking at each other and it's like, what are we doing? Because they are loud. They are loud, and it's five six of them. The spiritual leader says, we got to go. And now we're sitting in a tent, mind you right, canvas right, we're sitting in this tent. But something about that feels safer than getting out and running for the cars. He says, we got to go, and so the ladies her and I run to one of the trucks. And the first thing I do is so the truck's probably about forty feet up the hill and the lights based right down on the lodge and the trailer. I run right after, and I hit the lights and there's nothing standing there. Nothing.

50:19 I'm like, what is going on here? And we load her up and we take off and we come back the next day and it's all fine. It's all fine. Right, So the next year, that's all happens. This gets wilder and wilder. This is still twenty two, so, yes, twenty two. We get further into the year, right, So we do the children's dance. There nothing happens, and then we do that dance we do in the summer. And we have told everybody in the circle, everybody who comes. You know, people come from all over the country, some people come from different parts of the world. We all convene to pray for good things, to have community, and then go in to suffer together. And we've told the whole community what's happened. This is the spiritualarer that he doesn't hold anything back. He you know full well what you're gonna get involved with anytime you're doing anything with them. And so we go up there, right. We get set now where he's got of the mini win camp close together, and the cookshack has been told, hey, pay attention because they're up on the hill, the cookshack on the first day of us doing things where the they cook for the supporters and the singers and the fire keepers because the dancers don't get a food. The singer is the cook.

51:52 The main cook is my sister and her friend, and they're up there and they know all of a sudden, they know they fits around. My sister's pretty aware, so they know they're up there, but you know, we don't know that because we're a question. When you start the ceremony as the participants, you become sequestered. So we're down there and we're doing our thing, and we're fasting, and we're doing our thing and going in and out of the circle, and they're having their own experiences, but they're not too not scaring them, right, And so we get down with the first day and we finish up and so now we're all camped close together. My wife and her sister are camped close we're not usually supposed to do that, but the leader felt like we needed to stay together. And we're all getting ready for bed, and as we laid down, it's about nine o'clock it's still light out. I say good night to my wife and she says and we lay down and you hear all and we're like, oh, they're here, they're here, and people people got up. We've been up since four o'clock in the morning. We've been doing this all day in the sun.

52:59 We want to rest, but everyone gets up right. We all come down by the fire and we bring the cook staff down and because he wants us, the leader wants us all together, right, and we're standing down with the fire, and you can hear them out there making all kinds of stuff. It's like they're going through their whole repertoire. Sounds, the hooting, the shrill, whistles, the scream. They're out there making noise and we're all together. Now. This is what I talked about earlier about one of the things about singings, and this is when this happens. So we're all standing down by the fire, which is close to the lodge, right, and we're looking to the west. We're looking around and the leader has the mic singing the Bigfoot song, and he sings that and we make prayers like you know, he has different people pray like, we're not your enemies. We're here to you know, we're here for ceremony, and we have we respect your right, you know, we're just we're being very curtius and very respectful.

53:54 And then there he is over to the west and to the right a little bit there is he's standing. He's standing on a trail. He's more reddish blonde than he is black. His eyes are amber, they're almost golden, right, and his eyes are golden. He's standing down that path and so he makes him about eight eight to nine feet tall. He's not as massive as the black one I saw, but he's a big dude. And he's standing there. Now here's where it really gets weird about who can see him. There is twenty eighteen to twenty of us standing there, right, it breaks down to about half can see him clear as day. Another half can't see him at all at all. I don't know what you're pointing at.

54:48 And the other people are like, he's right there, he's right there, and he's stood there probably for four or five minutes, not threatening, just looking at us, right. I don't know if it was the Bigfoot song of the Way that we had, you know, said prayers and marines. But he just stood there and we're we're thust that I can see him, are just like, wow, you seeing this? I wish I could see it. And that's what people say, I wish why can't I see it? And and then he just turned and walked away. And so when he walked away, we all gathered and people had questions, why couldn't I see him? And our leader he couldn't tell us.

55:30 It was like certain people could and certain people couldn't. And with this crowd, it was not a lack of non believers. Believe me, this crowd believes. They believe in him, they believe in the Bigfoots, they believe in in the spiritual realm, they believe in prayers, and often couldn't see him right. And so we're sitting there and they're out in the woods and they're making occasional noises, and this is the weird thing. I go lay down in the height of this and I go to sleep. It's like you can get used anything. They're out there whistling and who he and make it and I guess it went on till like five or six in the morning. No, four, we get it before he went on till four o'clock in the morning. They were just out there making noise, right, And we got up. And the next three nights we were out there. First night, second night, they made noise.

56:19 They were out, they knew you were out, and they were out there so long doing it. You could differentiate who was who this one is, you know, almost like let's just give him numbers. Oh that's number one, Oh that's number three. Right, you could differentiate the different ones from each other just by them being around so much. And so on the fourth game, when we get done, the leader asked us, you know, this is pretty the activity is getting pretty crazy. You guys want to stay or do you want to go home? And we all just decided to stay, right, so we watch him. We got done about six o'clock and we watched the movie. He has a big movie screen. That's what we do. We unwind and we all went to bed. About three o'clock in the morning, my brother in law, who's been watching the fire, says, Steve, they're here, and I get up and he'd gotten up for some reason and he was sitting there whittling, and he looked over and he saw this orb. He saw these red orbs floating, and that's what got his attention, right, these red orbs. And when he was looking, the red herbs turned into eyes and there were tombs standing over there. And we went over the next day. They were between nine and ten feet tall from where they were standing and what he saw, and they were just the orbs turned into eyes. That was the best way he could put it. We're like, okay, I mean, you know, at this point I'm Jeremiah. Anything as possible, and you're not denying anything that you see.

57:47 And natives will tarry around ceremony. Things really get different. So we packed it up and we didn't have any We went up for swead a couple of times, more than nothing happened. Then into twenty three was our last year there. And so we're going up there in twenty three and it's me and my wife, my son and a friend of ours. We're gonna go up there and have sweat and meet people up there. Right, and we're pulling into the off the gravel into his dirt road, right, and you got to really slow down because it's redded and it's steep, and we ease in there. And as we come around the corner and we start going down the hill off to our right in the woods. I think me and my son probably saw it clearly. My wife saw part of it, and our friend Laurie saw part of it too. You saw a white flash like open up, like a big white flash, and you saw this big black things step into it and the light went gone. I saw the whole thing. My wife, who was sitting next to me, she saw parts of it. Laurie, who was on the right side, saw a part of it.

58:57 And my son, who was sitting behind me in the back seat, he saw most of the and I saw and my wife said right away, Oh, I want to tell the other ones we're here. And I'm like wow, now, well, in the doorway, I would think, so did I make it up? No's clear's day. So we drove down there. It's like, okay, it's starting again. We get ready. This is twenty three. We get into the days when we get ready, right and we're all up there. We've camped, we're camping together. The cookshack is down by the circle we're not one hundred feet from each other. Now we we have been through some stuff together, and we know they're around. It's like the second day of getting ready, you know, where we get everything done. We chop wood, we get everything ready, we make sure all our our regalia is ready to go. We get everything ready to go.

1:00:01 We're standing over by a shed where we kept our stuff, and I happened to look over, you know, just looking over, and I see two of them. It's definitely a female because he breasts, and a small one, and they're standing in these trees, and the trees have branches that kind of come over, so it's almost like a doorway right. Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

1:00:41 And they're standing right there, and she's probably seven feet and he's now more than five or five four or five feet, And I said, whoa, it's broad daylight out and I said to somebody, hey, do you see this? And pretty soon everybody's over there, and once again, about half of us could see him, and half but it's not the same people. Some people who saw him before are seeing now, and people who saw him before I'm seeing. It's a weird thing. They're not seeing him this time, and others that didn't are seeing this, these two, and I'm like, what is you know, it's weird, so halfless. And as we're looking at him in the spiritually looks he said, they want something from us. And he's standing there and he's doing his thing. I don't know if you've ever seen how spiritual they do. The whole thing.

1:01:29 They kind of you know, they go still. It's like they're listening and they're not there, their boys there and they're they're just very still and their spirit is doing something. And he's listening and he's and when he's back in himself and he turns to us, they leave and he says that one needs help, the little one needs help. We're like, well, what do you mean? And we're we're going to do I'm not gonna give it a name, but we're gonna do a night ceremony this night. And it's in his house, the Vietnam bedroom is staying at his girlfriends and he has a house on top of the hill and we're going to go up there and we're gonna black out all the windows and doors and we're going to have a ceremony at night. And the people who live this way, you know what I'm referring to.

1:02:17 He's that kind of leader. He says, they're going to come, and so, you know, we get in sweat and we go up there and we get everything ready, and he gets ready, and then we do things for him, and then the lights we turn the lights up. We've covered all the windows, what's totally black and there, right, and the singers get going and their songs going, and all of sudden, the energy for you just changes. I mean, it's it's intense to begin with. Right, if you've ever been to one of these ice sermais's it's mind blowing. The man who's leading us says they're here, and goes on to tell us that there is a client of bigfoot standing all around this house and they have their hands on the on the house, and he says there's about twenty to twenty four of them standing out there, so this little one can receive healing. And we sing through it and the energy is more than I've ever seen.

1:03:13 And I've been to a lot of these. I've been to a lot of these. And he gets done, and when the lights come back on and he's there, he says, this is I'll just say as he said it. He said that the little one had taken some kind of spiritual hurt and needed a spiritual healer, and that's what they had been doing around and they have been trying to get our attention to do that, and he finally heard it. And when we got done, you felt this like feeling of gratitude coming from the woods. It was he went from that fierce warrior stuff to you know, to almost loving coming out of the woods. Right. And as we are getting ready on the third or fourth day, we have a pair of twins that come there. There were nine little twin girls. They saw one and and they he goes, you know, while we're all while we're all doing this, you know, freaking out that bigfoot and trying to keep our act together, the two nine year olds are in their tent playing Bigfoot. They're not afraid at all. When we're walking down the hill one day, they said, there he is. He has a man space.

1:04:28 And they took off running and someone grabbed him, like what do you mean? They said, he was standing right there and he had a manned space. Like whoa. So we were like, okay, they're here. Started on our first day and they were out in the woods, the same gang, the same sounds, but not as close and not as as intimidating. And it went on first three nights. First night, second night, it went on, and it was kind of almost comforting, right, and they we started doing this little little whistle thing, and you knew where they were, but it was it wasn't like any of the whooping. It wasn't the screaming, it wasn't the samurai chatter. It was just nice and gentle and you felt good. And on the fourth morning we got up and we all did our thing, and the leader gather us together and he said that they've gone. He said they left in the night.

1:05:24 There's only two of them here, and we're some people are like, well, why did they go? And he says, we will find out today. It's more that cryptic medicine, our spiritual leader stuff. They sometimes pretty cryptic, right, and they know the answers. They want you to find out on your own. Right. So this is the last day, and we start doing what we're doing, right, And we were out in the middle for a while and we sit down. This is how the day goes, right. We're out in the middle, probably about oh, two three, it's hard to tell. And sometime in the afternoon, now we're we do the thing is a clearing and there's woods all around us, right, And as we are out in the middle and the singers are going and we're doing our thing, this black helicopter comes into view and he's only about five hundred feet off the deck. This helicopter, it's probably a four or five seater, it's not tremendously large.

1:06:23 It's all black and the windows are tinted and there are no tail signs. It's a black helicopter with no tails. And it's above us and it's just hovering up there, and you know, we're doing our thing and every so often we have to look to the sky and raise our hands. Right, we do that, and there it is. And he probably hovered around there for five or six minutes, just watch, and he was not far and then he spun to the north and he went to the north where most of the activity goes on right, and we didn't see him. And then we got done. Okay, So we get done and we're like, what was that all about?

1:07:04 And you know, we come out, we get our things down, we have our meal, and we're resting and we're gonna watch a movie. That's what that's our tradition. Then we get done doing this. We have a movie. It's probably about nine o'clock, and all of a sudden, down in the north in a big valley, there's automatic gun fire. It's not it's not the shotguns and the rifles and the pistols that you occasionally here up there. I was in the service. It's automatic weapons, dude, and they open up. It probably goes on for two or three there's some heavy action books. It's automatic weapons, right, and then it's it's quiet, and now we're all looking, you know, because we don't want to get you know, it's down there, open those great shots. But we have this feeling of dread.

1:07:46 Everyone does. We're like, we are concerned for our friends because that's where they mainly are when they are around, and we you know, the fight, the gun fighting's over after two or three minutes, don't hear nothing. We go to bed and we get up the next morning and we're going to pack up, and the spiritual leader tells us that they knew that the helicopter was coming and they skied out, and what happened down there was the two that stayed back, they tried to kill them. That was the automatic gunfile. They had tried to kill our friends. We don't understand why. We don't know why. He didn't know why. I can't tell you who was in the black helicopter, no clue, but I know a gunfight when I hear one, And yeah, that's what happened there. And this last year we had to move. And the only thing that happened is because we're closer to a city now, is one of them walked through the middle of our camp at night. We all we all, we all woke up right, We're like, oh, because we're all in different tents now, we're the question and many women are not camped to get because we have room. And everybody heard it, and everybody's like, oh, it's the fire keeper. Well, the fire keeper weighs two fifty whatever was walking around wag eight hundred or nine hundred. Great And in that last year before we left that land, on Dan's Land, that

1:09:18 was another we found one track. I put my foot next to it. I think it was probably it was the only track we ever saw. It was probably eighteen to twenty inches long, probably at the ball of the foot probably six to seven inches, and when I stood next to it, I'm two forty. I didn't invent the ground at all. In this track was probably an inch in the dirt, inch down in the soft kind of clay stuff, inch deep massive truck. It was the only track that we ever saw. We thought we saw some moved far, but this one was clearly of track. And you know, when people ask us about it, they said, well, any pictures and recordings, and as people know who are natives, we don't record anything from ceremony. Cameras and recording devices are not allowed. And I was told by the leader to come on to let people know. You know, the natives, as we all know, we all have some relationship with Chia Tunka and some of some of us forrest brothers, like the Cherokee to the place where I go. They're protectors of children. But you got to remember other tribes have them as the eaters of men, and they're not all kind and gentle, but they do all have to

1:10:52 bide by certain physical and spiritual laws. So if you see them out in the woods and you don't fire at them or try to do something, then you're most likely going to walk away, and almost ninety nine percent of the time your encounter is not random. Now, there's not to be said that you can't sneak up on them if the wind is right and your aura is right, and you're very calm and you're not trying. But remember, when you're out in the woods, your aura is that of a predator and petittor has every kind of energy, and they pick up on that. Do they take us out?

1:11:33 Yes they do. They kill it. There are some that kill human beings without a doubt. Everyone knows that. We know our relationship with them. We know that if some people have very kind relationships, you got lucky and had just like human beings, you found a bigfoot that is kind and gentle wants to have a relationship with you, but with you only. And the thing that I think people realize and maybe I'll share this, and I don't know if it's a secret, your ability to see or have some kind of encounter has a lot to do with what you believe. What you believe is possible. Now that's not something that can be detected into someone by looking at them, but it's inside of you. If you have the ability to believe. Of course, you're going to be able to see and have some kind of encounter.

1:12:29 Looking for and researching them. We all know they're there. You know, they say that. What we've heard from them is that they say, what do you need? You know, short of a body, right, short of a body, no one's ever going to believe, especially with AI. But they are there, and they've been here for a long time. There's more than people know. You never remember. There's never just one. There's never just one. The last thing is that, you know, what we were taught is that that headshaking thing is them trying to go against a mandate or there's a word, there's a word for like a law, like a spiritual or physical law. When they start shaking that head, you've got to be moving. You've got to be moving because that means they're going to attempt to do something if they want you to be deceased there it doesn't take much. And when we have encounters sometimes one of the things that we have to remember is maybe there's worse things out there that they are protecting us from. Because if Bigfoot, the possibility a bigfoot is there, and you know it is, there's other things that are possibility dogmen. We've all heard of that, the legends of what the people on this land have when they goes, different kinds of shape shifters. If those things, if Bigfoot is real, those things can be possibly be real too, And maybe they're protecting us from a lot of things

1:14:01 that are out there. Don't ever point guns at them. They can smell gunpowder. That's how they know what it is and they know can it kill them. I don't know what happens to them when they die, because we've never you know. My own thinking is that their body dissipates, but maybe it goes back to the dimension where the part of them comes from. I don't know, but I know that they are not just a physical being, but they are a physical being. They need substance, They need water then you know what they need to reproduce. But they have things that they can do that I have seen and been part of that are things that humans can't do. That's about what I.

1:14:49 Got, William, absolutely fascinating. You had talked about you, and I mean, I know you know that I really love that area east of Eugene. I should say, is there an area then that I should be cautious of going into? Or just be aware. You know it is you. I listened to your show. Your heart is in the right place. You're not a threat, you don't want to harm them. Do I think there are places not to go? Yes? I do. Can I tell you where they are? No, because it depends on which ones you're dealing with. Right. There are somes that tolerate us pretty well, there's some that want have relationship, and there's other ones that like to step on our head.

1:15:51 But it sounds like from your I listened to your show, you was that in Oregon where you had them on zip your tent. That that was actually in Iowa, Ioway. Yeah, that was Iowa where I live. That was nuts. I can't I can't say on air, but I we can talk off. Yeah. Do you remember what Iowa stands for. It's the Ioway tribe. Correct. See when I was in South Dakota, Iowa standard for idiots not wandering around. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it. I'm not originally from the state, so it doesn't bother me. But yeah, we get we have a lot of fun out here, so you do. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm originally from Western mass so yeah, it's a different.

1:16:51 I would say, I would say, you know, I would say that the further norse that you get, the meaner. They get in Oregon. And the further north into Canada. Ah, yes, of course, I you know, the. One I had in Eugene was very protective. I can't say because most of my encounters have been in the Seer Madres and then in Mount Washington. I think that you well, you need to ask yourself what you want to do. You want to have a relationship, you want to see them, you want to hear them. What do you want to do? I mean, I absolutely want to I would love to see one next that. That is something that I've I've come to to internally. Yeah, I'm there. I am absolutely there.

1:17:49 You know. I told myself when they when I was told they were coming around, and I was like, yeah, I'll see one. And when I did, I think I was blessed by having the one who showed himself to me not to be threatening. I however, saw that he could have been in a minute, you know, in the in the wrong circumstance, right, But he was. He was a nice guy. But I also believe that anything is possible. I really do. After being in these ways all my life and seeing the things that I've seen, I think that will do for most people out there. If you want to have an encounter in the best way is that once the mindset is that anything is possible, most things become possible.

1:18:31 If let's say you have people listening where they are reaching out to them and there's conversations going on, what is our responsibility when it comes to that. Our responsibility is in Native ways and especially the people I belong to, is to treat everyone as a relative, have that respect for their space, their ways, because their ways are different than ours. Right. But I will tell people big foot Sasquatch are drawn to Native American ceremony. If you start talking to people who go to ceremony, now they're always around. They are drawn to ceremony. I think that is the spiritual component of them. I have a deep spiritual component of the people. You know, you've heard people start looking into their eyes as a life changing experience.

1:19:29 No, absolutely, one hundred one hundred percent. I will. I don't know if you've ever heard me talk about this, because I think I've talked about it maybe once the last the Sunday after the festival in Oak Ridge or was it Monday? And I was driving around and a gentleman there, William had said, or Bill, he'd said, are you are you ready to see one? I'm like yeah. So I was driving around the reservoir and I was I was like, I am ready to see one. The second afterwards, I drove by this tree, a pine tree that was covered in the ivy. This is wild, And I saw the silhouette of one in the ivy for like half second and then disappeared, and I was like, whoa, what what just happened? Dude? It was wild?

1:20:29 Do you feel like that was one? I don't know. I honestly don't know, because I had gotten a really bad infection in my legs out there, and so I was starting to take antibiotics and I don't know if that was like I had a fever at the time. So I honestly don't know. I want it to be you know. Well. You know, one pieces of advice that I would tell everybody in a lot of things is one of the things when we want something, you have to you have to know what that looks like. So someone says I wanted to be better. Do you know what being better looks like? I want to have more. Do you know what that looks like? You have to in your mind know what it looks like here. Did you see one?

1:21:10 My guess is yes, you did. You know when you're in a distance, so in ceremony, when you fast, you become different, When you have a fever, you become different exactly things that go on. Ut you know you I think you did, but you have to tell yourself that you did without any doubt. There's no room. You know, the people that you talked to, I would imagine and listening to your show for a year and a half, they don't have any doubt about what they saw, did they? Absolutely? Yeah, you're right, You're you're right. There's no doubt at all. Yeah. Oh man, this is great, Oh boy, William. It has been just a privileged to talk to you and and and thank you for sharing just uh what a what a view inside is something that most listeners would never experience, and it's very special that you have shared that.

1:22:05 Thank you. You're very welcome. Jeremiah, I'm gonna we're going to cut recording. I want to talk to you for a minute, if that's. All right, Yes, that's fine. I just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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