Cherokee Bigfoot of Northeast Oklahoma

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Fast Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Yohola Tiger. He's the host of the war Cry podcast and he's a member of the Cherokee Nation and also of Muskegee Creek descent. How's it going tonight, Jehola, I'm pretty good man. I'm just you know, hanging out doing you know, just doing you know, doing stuff, spooky stuff, you know, kind of I love talking about spooky stuff, so you know, that's why we're here, but I appreciate you having me. Oh absolutely, I've been wanting to talk to you for a while. So I'm glad that this, uh finally worked out. And you're you're also from the great state of Oklahoma. Correct, beautiful, Yes, beautiful state of Oklahoma. Born and raised Turkey res.

1:23 You know, lived a lot of my life on the Cherokee res and then you know, moved my way over to my other side, to my Muskogee Creek side, and yeah, Oklahoma, man, you know all you know, all different types of things going on. But but yeah, man, it's a beautiful place. Fantastic And a lot of my listeners will know that about Oklahoma because they know more of probably the southeast section. There's some some wild bigfoot stuff that that goes on over there. But if you could let us know contact wise when or context wise what part of the Oklahoma you know on a map? Are we talking more western side, eastern? Whereabouts we're in? Uh? So, I'm from northeast Oklahoma, that's uh kind of So Tallaqua is the is the capital of the Cherokee Nation, and it's located i'd said, probably about thirty minutes from the Arkansas border up in kind of up in the northeast Oklahoma, and it's people people, you know.

2:28 It's one thing too that I guess people don't really you know, it really don't. I don't want to say give the northeast credit. But there's a lot of there's a lot of woods, a lot of hills up in the northeast, and so there's all types of stuff going on in in in northeast Oklahoma. Absolutely, How far away from the Wachitas are you, man, that's a great question. I'm gonna have to pull out my my ninth grade geography book. I would say, Well, so that's what I'm thinking. Probably maybe an hour and a half maybe all right, all right, maybe more man. Like I said, I my geography is not is not what it used to be. It's cool, it's cool the northeast. I've talked to a lot of people from southeast. Of course, I've talked to a gentleman from the west. The western Oklahoma has some crazy stuff too, But now it sounds like we may have some action going on in the northeast as well. But we were talking earlier and we're talking about that. You have had some you've heard of some Bigfoot related things over the years. And you know, we've mentioned already that you're a member of the Cherokee Nation. Has have you grown up then hearing about Bigfoot over the years or when did that start to kind of come into your your life that you remember, Man, it's it's been in my entire life, you know. My first my first

4:01 thought, in my first really core memory of Bigfoot was I might have been six or seven years old, my dad. So if you, if you guys, if you people are listening, when you're driving into tallc wall on the right hand side, there's a big old casino now well back, you know twenty you know, twenty five years ago, it used to just be a pastor and there used to be a golf course on the other side of that of that pastor. And I remember one of my first stories I ever heard as a young buck was my dad's best friend was driving home one night and he kind of saw something up at the on the right hand side of the road, and he looked, he said, what is that? When he just kept drying his eyes, probably dear, I'll slow down, and so he you know, kept coasting and he eventually passed this what you know, what he could see, it was just so dark. There's no lights out there. And when he hit his brakes when he was passing this this thing, all he saw was a was a hairy arm and basically a harry I'd say, maybe a quad and he hit it, you know, he hit his brakes and that light hit it, and that thing scurried off into that pasture and you know he didn't see anything, but he took off.

5:15 You know. One thing that about that story that you know, has come full circle now twenty twenty twenty twenty three, I talked to my my dad's best friend. I said, hey, you remember telling me that story when I was a little guy. And he goes, no, I don't really remember that. He's like, what, he's a when did I tell you that? I said, well, you told me, you know one time when we were, you know, all hanging out and he was, you know, playing guitar with my dad. And he goes, I don't remember that. And about about a week later he goes, yeah, man, he's like I sat and thought about said I do remember that. Because now that road is, you know, as a heavily traveled road and it's not really secluded like it used to be. But you know, and you know Cherokee Nation, you know, and I don't want to speak for all Cherokees.

5:56 I won't speak for all Creeks either, all you know, really tribes in general. It you know, there's different types of these things, and there's some that make you forget. And I'm not gonna say the name, because if you say the name, you're gonna call it. But they make you forget and sometimes almost like you know, like Men in Black where they hit you with that thing and you're like your your mind's raced, and then you have you know, you don't remember, and he goes, I think that's what happened to me, because he's I was so scared, you know, I just don't remember, you know, And then I then I guess he traveled down that road or I don't know how I remembered. But then he was like, man, I remember that. He said that thing had to be like nine foot tall, because you know, he was sitting in this car and you know, all he saw was basically a thigh. You know, you know, if you see a thigh in the winch, in the in the back glass, you know that has to be pretty tall.

6:48 And but you know there's all types of those stories that come around in that area and to kind of know, be long winded, that's kind of how we are, you know it kind of Indians would be like that, but you know it's I've been I've been hearing stories and I've experienced things in my life where you know, it's it's been my entire life, your whole lie. I want to go back to something you said really quick, and I don't want to go too deep into it because it's obvious that we don't want to. But if you want to address it, it says you said something to the effect of we don't want to call it, and can you explain what that means without I guess we don't want to do what it is that you would refer to, but kind of what that would mean where we don't want to call it. So what I mean by is so there's multiple things that that Sasquatch and Bigfoot can do that we, as you know, human beings, sometimes don't understand. Trying to put this in a context that makes this digestible, I guess you could say, but essentially what they what they can do is, you know, there's always been this Native American medicine or magic or shamanism is what some people out west call it. They do those

8:20 things too, and it's a superstitious thing. But when you talk about these things, there's a certain energy that comes with that. It's like an intention thing. But when you when you talk about and that's why when you when we talk about a lot of things in native culture, we use like we'll use and I'll say the name because I'll smoke off after this smoke And by the way, smoke off means with cedar and things like that for people that aren't that don't know those things. You know, you know, doctor ceedar. But wait, wait, wait, wait, is this can affect the listeners though? No, no, no, no, it's okay, yeah, no, no, I mean it shouldn't. Now. I'd always if any time you anytime that someone's talking about different things, I you know, especially when it comes to Bigfoot, even talking about Bigfoot, you know that you're still talking about him. You know, you could just you know, still, you know, do what you gotta do. You know, I do my certain things. People do their own things. You could pray.

9:24 But but that's kind of what I mean by that was, is when you use their name there's a certain you know, old way name that you use, I know, the creek name, and and you know, they they can they can come to your dreams. You know, they can come you know in physical you know, there's just different ways that that you know, these things can come to you and that, like I said it and it could be anything too. It could just be it could just be energy. You could just have bad love, you know, just and it's you know, and I'm really talking generally. I know there's probably some people out there like, oh, he's talking crazy right now. But but yeah, that's kind of what I mean by by you don't want we don't want to call it by its name. I absolutely understand. Yeah, I definitely want to respect that. In your area of Oklahoma in the northeast, have you found that most sasquax sightings will occur around the reservation or is it kind of it's all over the place, It doesn't have to be specifically just in the actual reservation area. Well, I mean, if we're so all the reservations, so there's like I said, there's a five civil lives that take up the eastern part of the state. I don't want to get political or anything but I just you know, that's just kind of how that's divided up, you know, and now with you know, kind of federal type things going on.

10:58 But but it happens all over the place, you know. I have heard stories from different people up in kind of northern I'd say, probably north central kind of I'd say probably north of Oklahoma City. You know, there's been stories up there of of them kind of hanging out around, you know, at a pow wow. You know, they'll be at the tree line and or at the stomp grounds. They'll be out there. Because a lot of those grounds, so especially stomp Grounds, are near water. You have to you know, you got to make sure you have water around when you're when you're doing those things. And you know, you know a lot of people say that they travel by water, and there's different, various opinions on that. But but like I said, they're all over the place, you know, in Oklahoma, I think I tried to ask somebody, you know, kind of ilder. I said, hey, many, how many think there is? And they gave me a you know, a number, like a thousand or something like that. I was just like, man, that's kind of a lot, Like that's kind of a lot. But you know, I've I have people that reach out to me, you know, about every week, you know, telling me, hey, I saw something over here and Concho, Oklahoma, or I saw something over here and Anadarko, or I saw something over here and Hugo. You know, it's all over the place here in Oklahoma. Oklahoma has incredible big Foot stories. And I'm

12:30 not going to mention the name of the group, but man, there's this one Facebook group about like Oklahoma big Foot Stories. Oh my goodness. It's a smaller one, and if you're in it, you know what I'm you know what I'm referring to, because it's kind of like it's a fight club type thing if you're in it. But oh man, you guys have some wild stuff down there. Do you think there's a reason what, you know, Oklahoma just it feels like there's so much I don't know how to say. I would say, you know, like maybe aggressive sasquatch stories or sightings.

13:16 Do you think there's a reason why there's so many in that state or is that something you've ever thought about? I mean, I have, you know, I've I've heard some pretty aggressive encounters just here in the last I'd say probably month. I was told a story about out kind of in a darko Oklahoma and a guy was, you know, he had his animals out there, and he had shot at it, and this thing had killed every seat and eight killed. After he shot it. The next morning he went out there and every single one of his animals was gone, perished. And I also wonder if it correlates with kind of how Oklahoma is and just in general, how we kind of are, you know, we kind of kind of aggressive people a little bit. You know, if you you know, if you if you you know, if you if you treat us, you know, treat people with respect, you're gonna be all right. But once it comes to you know, you disrespecting people, you know, it can get physical or it can. And I'm wondering if if those things kind of mimic that energy, you know, when people come in, you know, like all the time, this land that hasn't been touched in a lot of years or ever maybe is being inhabitated by people with a lot of money, and they're they're moving up to these hills and these mountains and you know some of these valleys and you know, just speaking from experience, there was a guy out and you follow who who who bought some land at the bottom of

14:48 this this infamous place that is known for bigfoot, Like it's known. There's there's c there's like it's not catacombs, but it's more like caves. But the there's caves out there in this kind of this little cliffic. You know. I don't want to say the name, but it's out and it's out and you fall area. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. But he bought land out there, and you know, I'm always wondering if he's all right. You know, he's like, man, you you bought land, and you know you you inhabited a place that no one is ever inhabited. And I often wanted that's the case too.

15:35 So that's very intriguing to me. That's a that's an area that I don't think has come up. Yeah, and it's you know, I'm looking it up on a map and it's so interesting because well, if you look up you fallow, Oklahoma. It's almost like on this peninsula in the middle of this huge lake or it's just it's really interesting area. I need to look more into that well you fallow, you fallo. A lake is is mad and made. And one thing that I mean, I know, like I said, I know this is a big foot show, but you know there there there's been talks of an octopus in there, a red octopus in that lake. In that lake, I know, I have plenty of stories of people talking about giant snakes in that lake. You know, you know, mythical. I guess you'd say mythical, but you know native, you know, in our native culture, and there's big snakes in there. A lot of it too, I think was when they made that lake, there was a lot a lot of stomp grounds down there, and there was a lot of habitat that these beings, these creatures inhabitant. And you know, when you when you when you kind of take over nature, nature is gonna you know, kind of do something. You know, at my uncle's property out and you follow. There was one time we were we were talking about these things out there. We were having we were telling stories because that's how we talked. That's how we kind of communicate lessons and and and uh, you

17:11 know, different stories, and it is by talking about some of these things sometimes and trying to you know, tell people to act right. And we were all out there and we were talking and people telling stories and and something something big ran through, I mean, mowing down all this rush and his trees and it's thick out there, you know, and it came right up to the tree line and it and it was dead quiet. There was not a single sound in that whole clearing. It was like no birds, nothing, no crickets. It was like the alpha. It was like the alpha predator came. It was you know, heard its name being called and it you know, had to see what was going on. But you know, that's one thing that's you know, I think when it comes to that area and it comes to like northeast Oklahoma, like I mentioned, you know, it's it's very very intriguing to me. That's why I can I continue to gather stories and information. And you know, I'm so intrigued by by by big foot. Oh absolutely. And this is something you've mentioned a few times, and I'd like you to kind of take a few minutes to define what it means, because I'm just not familiar with the term, and there might be some listeners as well. Can you define what the term stomp grounds means?

18:37 So it's a ceremonial grounds, so so stomp grounds kind of slang, but but sits ceremonial grounds, and so ceremonial grounds are in specific areas and in kind of an origin story, especially for the Creeks back in the old days when when we were being removed, we had fire, and the fire guided us to our home here in Oklahoma and where and there were certain selected people in the tribe that would basically follow that fire and catch that fire. So yeah, you know, so we didn't lose you know who we are, and you know that goes into a whole different other thing. But wherever that fire landed, you had to you had to harness it, and you had to make sure it was taken care of. And wherever it landed, it is where your grounds were, Where your ceremonial grounds where, which is for your your praising the creator and and and thanking the creator for what you you know, what you've done, and you're you know, we're asking for healing or whatever it needs to be done in those in those times. That's that's so interesting. It has parallels to the Old Testament almost. Yeah, it's yeah, it's that's what I'm saying that's the one thing. It's just so taking about history. Man, it's like almost like it kind of repeats itself almost a little bit. Yeah, or it almost has a similar story

20:07 but in different fonts. You know, like it's so so weird the more you look into things and more that you look into different cultures, and yeah, that's a that's a that could be a whole other discussion. So talking about the stomp grounds, so you're saying that the uh, when they created that lake, they they took over some stomp grounds. So I could definitely understand how that could be. That is a terrible thing to do. But you mentioned the giant snakes, So how how large were these snakes that were being seen in this lake? Anywhere from the size of a worm to the size of a I don't know, maybe fifty feet. I'll tell you, I'll tell you a very interesting story. So I have a cousin who he's uh, he's kind of funny, but he's real, he's real, big into He probably listened to the show, Hey cousin, what's going on?

21:04 And I was playing uh uh but uh, but he he was on Google maps and you know how sometimes you can kind of you know, get real close and see things and you can kind of see outlines. Well the drone or whatever, whoever takes those pictures of that. Google Maps caught one of those snakes going into the lake and you know he was trying to do the pencil markers and it was just just the back end of the snake was like twenty two feet, you know, as he was kind of trying to figure it out. But these snakes have power. They have How I say this is one of my favorite angle, lot of my favorite mythic, my favorite being my native being that I love to talk about. Are these snakes born and raised in Taq, Oklahoma. We have the Illinois River and these and you know, these things are known to cause floods, and the Illinois has flooded multiple times because of people not taking care of that water. The same thing with you, you fall of that that lake has flooded multiple times over the years because people just aren't taking care of it. But what but what these snakes are is is they you know, they they are the keying of the water. They take care of the water. They make sure people take care of it. When it's not being taken care of, they take manage into their own hands. One thing about Oklahoma, I'm sorry, we're deviating off man. Now let's go for it. We're good man, let's go.

22:37 And one thing that is very well known here in Oklahoma is there's a lot of drownings, you know. And that's one thing that you know, I see the newspapers all time like, oh, how how does people keep drowning? Oh? They must be just drinking too much. But it's strange that it's a lot of kids, younger people. You hardly ever see anybody old, you know, drowning. Maybe someone in their thirties. Maybe that's not really that old. But but you know, that's one thing that people credit these snakes and I do personally to taking these people because maybe you know, not saying it's sacrifice, but you know, it's you know, that's the game you play when you you disrespect nature. And in the water, absolutely, it's it's not a thing that you get multiple chances with you I've got to respect it for sure. Speaking of the water, you also mentioned the octopus. Is that you know you hear people talk about the Oklahoma octopus.

23:40 Is that the same thing or is this a different? Same same thing? And crazy story that I heard from somebody out of out of you follow and I've also heard kind of murmurs about I think it's Thunderbird Lake, I think is the other one that I've heard things from. But I had I had somebody telling me that basically they saw one run across the road this major highway broad daylight. It was a small one, which I thought, I mean, I was like, that's kind of crazy, you know, I don't you know, do you believe it? You know, sometimes you kind of like people will just, you know, maybe just try to tell your story to get on the podcast. I don't know, but but I thought it was pretty interesting. But the Oklahoma octopus has been around for, you know, quite a long time. There was a guy and I cannot remember his name at the top of my head, but he had been investigating this.

24:26 And you know, they've also attributed a lot of these drownings and all these lakes to being that that creature, that being. And when I say being, you know, it's a it's a it's it's more than just a creature, is what I'm is what I'm getting to. It's more it's more of like a you know, people kind of talk about these you know, mythical beings or these mythical entities, and that's kind of what I'm I'm referring to. If you ever hear me when I say being these things are or not they're not of this world or they're not of the normal world that we know, totally understand when you so when you refer to Sasquatch. And the thing about the show is that there's many different viewpoints about what the creature is, and I'd like to think that we I talked to many different viewpoints through people. When you're referring to to Bigfoot yourself, what is in your mind or what's your definition of the creature when you're referring to Bigfoot man? That's a So that's a great question. I've I've asked people that same question, and I always find it very intriguing. My opinion of it, though, is kind of it's kind of a weird one. So I think that they

25:56 are. I think that they are, and I don't want to say a set of people and I don't not human is what It's not what I'm It's not what I'm trying to say. A lot of Cherokees believe that they're a secret tribe and that they exist when they want to, when they want to be seen and they want to be known that they're there. A story that I had come across as a young guy out of so I used to go to a cultural camp during the summer times at Sequoia High School in Talentquall and I heard a story from an elder that he said that they look like humans, but they are just hairy and they got beards, but they're like super tall. He described this, this this Sasquatch of this bigfoot to being about nine foot tall with a beard. They had a like it looked like a human face, but they had a here and he called it a person.

27:03 And when I, you know, growing up in my mind, I envisioned that and I think of I think of, you know, if if they are people or if they're in I know there's a theory out there they're interdimendal, interdimensional beings. I know that people think that they're possibly you know, a shape shifter or I've heard that, you know, I've heard different things, and in my opinion, I think that they're I think that there are another set of you know, like a tribe, and it's not a people it's a tribe of beings like they do that they they they have ways and methods to remain undetected. And I go back to talking about like native medicine or native magic or shamanism. You know, I'm Native American, but I don't. I don't practice that stuff. I don't. I don't practice those things much like and I have that same thought when it comes to sasquatch is.

28:07 Not all of them practice the ability to disappear. Not all of them practice the ability to look like a stump, you know, like some stories you hear all people's you know, I heard a story one time somebody basically sat on it, didn't even thought it was a stump. They were just kind of hiking. Next they know the stump was moving, you know. I you know, I believe that they if they want to be seen, they will be seen. And they use these different methods in these different old ways, is what I call it. But it's like you know, these herbs and these use different you know, methods, you know, to be seen or not to be seen. So I think that they're I think that they are of this world. But it's it's hard to describe, you know, what's of this world, you know absolutely? Do you know the stories that you've heard from your area and you've talked to many different people over the years, are our orbs ever parts of those stories? Is that a thing that ever comes up down in Oklahoma? Yes, I've heard. I've heard a lot of stories, a lot of stories about orbs. Everyone wants everyone.

29:29 The famous one here in Oklahoma is out in Miama. It's called the spook Light, but it looks like a like a light kind of travels around in northeast Oklahoma. My dad has actually seen it looks like a fireball, but it dances. It looks like a person walking or you know, if someone was running and it looks you know, it's kind of makes that movement. And old Cherokees believe that that it's the souls of people that are watching over things, and that's they left their soul there to to maybe guard something. I you know, who know who really knows what it's really you know for We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

30:17 But I've also heard, I've also heard that you know those things, this is this is gonna I don't think I've shared this, but I'm gonna share it to you. I've heard stories that these orbs kind of dance around maybe buried treasure or some type of fortune and there, and I have heard stories of Bigfoot or dog man protecting this treasure. I have heard those stories. Maybe you know, maybe it's you know, treasure or something from like sixteen hundred you know, who knows, you know, who knows what it is.

31:03 But you know, I have heard, you know, I've also heard you know, Bigfoot being associated with these orbs as well. So I mean, but at the end of the day, you know, people see the orbs and they're like, Okay, I see an orb in the middle of this pasture. You know, what's going on? You know? Or what's what's happening? You know, we don't really there's no there's no explanation. But the old the old elders believe that it's it's possibly the soul of people past gone that's protecting their their wealth or you know, or it could be that they're just trying to find another way, maybe to go to the other side. I mean, who I mean, it's very interesting, though, can you tell me any anything more about bigfoot guarding a buried treasure? That's that's that's an extremely new one for me. That's really interesting. Yeah, I mean it's I'm just trying to figure out how to how to describe that because when I was told that story, basically somebody was supposed to somebody was digging up basically they had they had figured out that there were some type of basically followed the ORB essentially is what the story was told, and they dug it up, and when they looked over there was a sasquash there growling up.

32:19 Now, now he said it would maybe have been protecting, you know, I don't really. I just used protecting as like hey, you know, like hey, like when you hear that, it's like, hey, it's probably time to get out of here. You know, I probably shouldn't be be doing, you know, be trying to you know collect this, uh, this treasure or whatever this you know, this fortune is or whatever he was trying to look for. That's just very interesting. That's why I haven't heard a lot of those stories. But I but I'm very you know, if anyone out there, hey, if you got one of those, let me know. Yeah. Absolutely. I just wanted to clarify that because I was like, man, I don't. I don't want to to start. Let go, Hey, I saw an orber. There's going to be it's like the new Lepricron and the rainbow. You know. Yeah, no, but no, I just I just I just had a like that that that story is. You know, I heard that story you know, years ago. But they basically followed it, you know, that that flame and it brought them to basically it kind of did like a circle or whatever, you know, kind of a weird like it was in a pattern essentially, and you know, they noticed that it kind of stopped at a certain location and it moved to the next and so they really you know, like I said, it's an older story, so you know, it could have just been coincidence. Like you know, I know a lot of people you know, see aliens with with bigfoot. You know, that's another thing I've heard, but I haven't heard much on on on on the alien part, but I have heard a few times of like, you know, people seeing that flame and then they hear footsteps behind them, you know, or something running

33:49 through the woods. You know, I have heard that too as well. My dad actually was out and kind of you know, I'm kind of name dropping somebody's town. But my dad, I think he was out at Holbert and heard heard something like that. It was all an orb and then you know, heard something thought was kind of weird, but nothing nothing ever approached me. He just he heard something, you know, out with that orb. So and all, I mean it also could be too that you know, maybe big Foot is trying to find that treasure too or whatever that is out there. It's it's it's such an awesome start to at like a story. It's just it's it is so cool, like the buried treasure of Bigfoot in Oklahoma, and like, dude, I'm loving it. So let's let's pretend like, yeah, let's say we're in your your area of Oklahoma and northeast, we're out of camp fire, and you know, there's maybe maybe some some people are there. They're starting to get to get older. They're they're they're older than kids now they're getting into junior high maybe high school, and so the old or individuals are like, okay, it's time to tell them the story about Bigfoot. That is, you know, we kind of we all knew about it, and now these kids are old enough to know are there any stories like that that are are passed around the camp fires up in your area. Yes, yeah, I mean yes and no. You

35:22 know a story I remember being I remember being kind of like you mentioned, you know, we experienced that the one that was running through this brush coming towards us, you know, while we were sitting around telling stories. Another you know a story that you know kind of spooks me out to this day. It's out in park Hill, Oklahoma. It's uh, it's a little bit outside of Talent Wall, Oklahoma. And my my dad at the time was a young guy. He just uh, you know, he was living with my grandpa at the time, and he lived next to this park and it's called Marl Home Park. You know, it's about you know, i'd say probably a mile a mile and a half from his house. And it was real, you know, kind of a hot night, and you know with old you know, old Indian houses, you know, especially the old Indian heads, they are like, no, we ain't not turning that ac on. We're gonna keep it keep steaming in this house. So he had to open the window and my dad is laying there and I'm and being mine.

36:22 I've never told the story publicly, but I'm but you know, this is this is a this is a good time to tell it. And he's laying there in bed and he hears something jump over the fence and it makes this sound like the creaking's hound. And he hears these large footsteps coming up to the window and he and he's laying there and he's like, what is that and it lets out this like a horse, you know, like a horse would you know, make this kind of huffing sound. It was real deep. My dad sat there and he was he was sitting there and he's getting real kind of like, what is this, you know, what is going on? And it kind of made that huffing noise again, and it heard he heard the creaking of the the fence. So either it opened the fence or opened the gate, because it was kind of one of those you know, little latch gates that you can just flip up and open, or it jumped the fence and it took back off where he was going. You know that area, it's a very spooky area and it's got a lot of things going on. And you know, in that area when I was a young guy, I'll tell you my my I think you know my encounter with I think I believe it was one of these you know creatures, one of these beans. You know, we used to I used to take my friends out to this park and spook them out because I know how to get the

37:52 spooky's going. And you know, in this park, there's these trails that go up into this kind of hill area, and it's in it's pitch black. You can't see, you know, anything tree cover. No, you can't see any of the stars. And I'm messing with them, you know, I'm you know, you're never supposed to hoot. I was always told never to hoot, but I I mess with them. You know, they're you know, they're they're they're white folks, you know. I mean like messing with you know, like to show them that, you know, I know a few things. You know, I'm Indian, you know I can, I can, you know, summon these things and just kind of, you know, have a little ego about it. And and I made that mistake. So we come back off the bridge and I go, hey, let's stop re quick. I'm gonna hoot three times and watch see what happens.

38:40 I hoot the first time. Everybody goes, hey, all right, man, hey, okay, hey, we we got to we get the point you're trying to scare us. We get it. I hoot the second time and they're like, no, hey, okay, okay, hey, you know you hold up. Okay, chill out, chill out. It's cool. When I hoot that third time. Under this you know, when you go over that bridge, there's a little underpass that you can walk down to underneath that bridge. And there was a roar came from under that bridge, and it was I always equate it to King Kong's roar, but it was it was. It hits you, it hit me, and when it roared, I blacked out. Be in mind. I'm going to describe the people that I'm with. I'm with two six six, three hundred and fifty pound guys. I'm the last person in the back closest to the car after that third hoop, and we hear that roar and I'm I black out.

39:49 They those those big boys were in the car in two seconds, took off and I come back into my mind, you know, all the way and we're halfway, we're already almost home, and my mind comes back and I think what we ran into that night was one of those ones that make you forget because I don't remember from the time that I who did that third time to hearing that roar two when we were almost halfway home. And you know, to this day, I still have those people that say, man, I don't know why, you know, that was the craziest thing I've ever heard. I've never heard anything that made me feel that way. You know.

40:31 It's almost like if you were face to face with a lion and it roared in your face and you're just like checked out. And I spoke with it with one of them, with one of my uncles or with my uncle, and and he goes, yeah, he said, you ran into the ones that the one that makes you forget. He said, you played. He said, what did you do before? I said, I told him when I did. He goes, Yep, that's what happens. So yeah, that's that's a that's that's my personal story that I've I've run into. That's out in park Hill, Oklahoma, at Marralhome Park. It's a it's a museum out there. It's a it's the park is shut down. Now.

41:13 There was a lot of things that happened with some people passing away out there. I don't want to say the word, and there were some other things that that happened out there. But another story, this is how this happened back in the nineties at the same at that same park. I had an uncle of mine. He had shared his story with me because he had heard my story, and he was he was a young guy. He was out there. He was out there with my other uncle and some friends, and and they're doing some teenage saying, you know, while and kind of just you know, doing their thing, and the cops come. So they're hiding up in those trees. And those trees you can kind of climb up them because they're all kind of low, but you can get up there real high in that tree. And those cops are trying to find them. And eventually those comps decided to kind of of you know, you know, not mess with them, and they went went on, well, these there's these trash cans out there that are really heavy, and some of them are bolted to the ground, some of them are not. But they're like hard metal heavy trash cans. And my uncle said, when they got down, something through and it, and the trash can might have been three hundred pounds through it like a pebble at at them from from over there by that bridge, threw it at them and it almost hit them. They were like, man, we gotta get out of here. What was that? You know, like, what's what just threw that at us? And they took off and that was, you know, something that you know will share to me here recently, I had never heard that story. And my uncle heard my story

42:45 and said, hey, I you know, I had the same thing something similar to me happened to me at that part. And but you know, but growing up, you know, I'd always hear these stories of you know, you know pe people, you know, seeing these things. And as I've gotten older, you know, I think with age people kind of say, hey, I'm gonna tell you the story. And you know, with with the podcast, people you know will tell me they're old school stories. And that's the thing I love about about doing is hearing these stories. But yeah, that's a few stories that you know, that's that's you know, I've I've shared around a camp fire, but I've also had shared to me in that way too. Hold of that is incredible that you had that experience.

43:35 You said, so are you making a noise like a like an owl like that type of thing, or it's like, yeah, it's one of those. Because so the backstory on that is is my my grandpa did the same thing to some people when he was in college, or he had a cousin that did the same thing, or but essentially, and this is when I'm getting goose when I'm telling the story. But I'm gonna tell you what he who did When he did that who sound, there was laughter in those trees at that park, and it was like maniacal laughter. And you know that's where that that's where that that's where I got that idea to do that.

44:15 I was like, well, I want to see if something happens, I'm gonna really mess with these people. But one thing about, like I said, when you call these things, when you call these beings and these entities, you're usually the one that has to pay the piper. And that's why, you know, you know, that's why I kind of stepped away from the investigation side of that, because you know, I used to go out and you know, I, you know, I at one point, you know, I was trying to find a cult in a small town here in Oklahoma. I was finding animal bones, you know, like animal carcasses and all this stuff, but that's story for another time. Maybe we'll talk about that another time. But but yeah, man, it's uh, you know, that's the kind of backstory behind behind those that we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. That's incredible, and yeah, the cult ones for another time. What was the name of that park again that you had the two incidents were happening at, just for my notes, Merle Home Park. It's so it's uh, so's it was. I think it's owned by a tricky nation actually, but it's uh basically, the park is named after the house that's that's at the edge of the road, and that house I think you can go and visit it, and it's haunted.

45:36 I mean it's truly haunted. Like I've remember being a young guy seeing video camera footage of it of things moving in the house, like a full like chair moving across the floor of the house. I was like, man, that's kind of crazy. Got it? Merle Home Park in park Hill? Correct, Yep, yep, sir, yet totally got it. That's very very interesting. I feel like there's might be some listeners that also have some stories from that area. Feel free to contact me big Foot Society at gmail dot com. Also, we'll have I'm pretty sure we'll have you Hoola's contact info in the show notes for this as well. Well, we'll ask him later on that. Yohola, I know that you've probably chatted to people from all over the state of Oklahoma. Just curious. Have you ever talked to anyone that's had any interesting stories from like Lafloor County or like ho Nabby or anything like that. I know, so I had somebody tell me, and I don't know exactly where Garfield County is. I had to look.

46:51 I mean, if you I can't exactly know where that's at. But I had a lady reach out to me about time when she was a little girl in Garfield County back in the early seventies. I believe she was a little girl. This is old. She's an older lady now, but she was telling me a story about a time she was walking on the train tracks kind of closer to dark, and she looked behind her and there was a it was basically a sasquatch following her on the train tracks, and when she looked back, it was walking behind like it was you know, it wasn't close, but it was you could see it, you know, she could see it. The outline of it was big, and then when she looked, it darted back into the tree line, and then it followed her all the way down to where she was going. Then she got home and they took off and went home. You know a story that I had I had heard, you know, kind of in the whole Nubby area is my grandpa used to do a lot of hunting up in the Kimchi Mountains and it wasn't really like an encounter, but it was more of like the the the whole entire area where he was at with his buddy went dead quiet, like could hear a pin drop, like, you know, any movement, you could hear something. And he thought it was odd. And he had coon dogs.

48:08 But I haven't really heard much of Lafour County. I know that there's some history with the Choctaws out there. I know that there's a there's a famous I think there's a famous story about I think it's the Choctaws. Basically, you know, they went in and and and had basically a war with these Sasquatch or these big foot and I think only one person survived to tell the story at all these guys that went down there to take on this clan, and I know that's that story has been around for a lot of years. M fascinating I can tell. So, you know, you are a awesome guest because it's you're you have a wealth of knowledge about this this stage.

49:00 It's incredible. So I might just start throwing some random things at you and see if anything hits, because I can't have this type of conversation with everyone. Have you ever heard any stories about hyden as being seen in Oklahoma? So it depends on what the what the description is. I'll tell you. So this is kind of a weird story. And so I used to uber when I when when I was need some extra money back when I was a younger guy. This might have been about five six years ago and I was out and this is in Biggsby, Oklahoma where this took place, and I was, you know, I got a you know, being, and I went down into once across the river going into Biggsby, Sat. When you're going south into Biggsby, if people are in that area or listen, there's a road that takes you next to the river that goes on down there's a bunch of nice homes out there, and I had basically I picked these two girls up at the end of the road, and I could tell that something was off with them. I was like, they looked kind of, you know, frazzled, I guess you could say. And you know, me being you know, conspiracy guy, and you know I love cryptids, and you know I'm into the spooky stuff, and you know, I'd like to hear these things. And so I'm just driving and I'm not saying anything.

50:30 I got the music on and I'm just kind of but I'm overhearing these two girls talk about them seeing this weird looking dog about the same not I wouldn't say about the same size of the car, but it was a little smaller, and she goes. They were like sitting there talking about it, and they were like, man, that dog looked weird, kind of looked like a hyena, kind of looked weird, didn't look like a dog. What do you think that was? And they're sitting there back there talking and describing this thing sounding and and and to me, I in my first thought, I thought it was, you know, maybe a dog man, And I still kind of think it might be, but they way to described it was like a hyena kind of looking thing, and because it wasn't bigger than the car, but it was it was like a little it was it was bigger than a dog, basically, and they were like, man, I don't know what that was, and you know, they they went on to basically you know, kind of you know, and I didn't ask them about I just stayed quiet because I wanted to hear it naturally from them, because they were very I could tell that they were upset, like this thing scared them, and you know, they were sitting there like man like that, I don't know what that was. It couldn't have been a dog. It couldn't have been you know, couldn't have been this like do we you know, I don't really know what that was. But it didn't look like anything I've ever seen before. And you know, it's kind of waiting. But the boys, the guys, it was about six or seven guys that were out there at this I guess they're having a bonfire out there out and kind of

52:00 this next to the this house, I guess. I don't I don't really know, but the details on that, but like, you know, they ended up having to kind of show this thing off. Whatever this thing was, Now, is it a hyena or was it you know, or was it, you know, a dog man? I really don't know, but you know, I just recently, you know, went and saw at live hyena at this place here, and I currently resided in in Oklahma City, but I went to this place and I saw a hyaena, full grown hyena, and the way that this girl described it, and I'm glad, you know, it's crazy you asked me this question as I went and looked at this thing and this thing the way she described it, this thing was a little little like it was way bigger than, you know, than a dog.

52:44 But it wasn't like, you know, four foot tall, it was, you know, but it was big. You could tell this animal is a really muscular animal. And I just thought that was you know, that's kind of an interesting story, you know that I heard from these these two basically high school girls had a bonfire. You know, it's kind of crazy just kind of overhearing them talk about it. That's it's very interesting. And listeners, I'm going to shout out cryptids of the Corn real quick. You don't listen to that. You need to Their podcast is great, and the greatest episode I think is when they talk about Hyaenas and how a lot of dog band sightings are probably misidentified Hyaenas. It's very interesting. Please take a listen. I'm going to put it in the show notes too. But yohola.

53:31 That kind of leads into another question, is are there a lot of dog band sightings in your state as well? Besides bigfoot Man. From what I've heard, I think they're they're running everywhere too. I'll tell you a crazy story. And this is a crazy story. All right. This is this is an Oklahoma city, This is an Oklahoma city. This is the biggest city in Oklahoma. I was conversing, you know, we got a story. I got a story from this this this woman basically telling me about her childhood and out here in Oklahma City. And you know, she went on. You know, the way she described is the layout of their house and where their house was is was in basically a central part of Oklama City.

54:25 There was there's basically hardly any trees, but she did mention that there's a row of trees that connect on down that just I guess it's undeveloped land that goes all the way out till you know, wherever outside Oklahma City. And I never really got a what you know, part of Oklahoma City that she was in. But but she as a little girl one night, uh and this is and she always felt like she was being watched. And when she was playing outside, and she might have been I think she says she was eight years old and she was outside, you know, just you know, playing around and just you know, being a little kid, and she also felt like she was being watched. And she told her mom, I don't I don't know, I'm I'm kind of scared to go outside. She's like, what's wrong. There's nothing out here. But they're you know, their fences backing up against this you know, thick you know tree line.

55:15 There's trees that you know that surrounded it. And one night she's sitting there in the in her bed and and she just in the in the way that she wrote it, it made it sound like she kind of just rolled over, like she was kind of you know, just tossing and turning that night, and she looked over and there was this basically this wolf's head staring at her from into the window, and it was just looking at her, and she looked at it and she I guess with the way she described it, it was kind of like a she was shure, like she didn't know what she was looking at. And the window was not like a you know, like a window that was on the ground. This was like a pretty high up window. And she's looking and this thing is this creature is looking at her through this window with red eyes, and it's almost like she felt like it wanted it to her to come outside. And she looked at it and basically screamed when she when it, you know, when eventually when it kind of dawned on her like, hey, this is not normal. And when she screamed, her parents come in and it was like kind of the end of it. But you know, she had kind of heard tappings on the window sometimes when she was like because she would close the curtains a lot a lot of times and just happened so that night that that she had it open.

56:40 But that's at Oklahoma City, you know, And for me that's kind of crazy because it's like in a you know, heavily populated area. Another story comes out of I believe it's out of the Salina area. Salina Oklahoma. No, I'm sorry, not Salina, Oklahoma. This is out of I believe it's north north northern part of being. Anyways, I'm getting into Manusia. But there was a story the elders used to talk about about a dog like creature that would run down this road and it was known to do this, and basically what it would do is it was it was passing through every you know, it wouldn't be every night, but it'd be that would be its route. It would come through and it was like a dog on the hine legs, you know, running fast. An elder one time, I get, you know, was talking about the time that her and her brothers, you know, had heard something like some type of you know, yipping and it sounds like baby coyotes, and she was like, what is it? You know, what's that sound? And so they her brothers decided to go check it out. So they, you know, they kind of go through the woods, you know, they get up to where they hear this kind of chirping sounds like coyotes, and what they see is an upright werewolf and it's yipping like a like a coyote, and they're like, what

58:15 in the world. So they take off running and they run back the house and there they couldn't talk. They couldn't speak for you know, the whole thirty minutes after and that's all the Cherokee Nation res. You know, one thing about dog man I think it is a little bit confused sometimes when in non native circles. I'd say, is the difference between you know, shape shifters and skin walker and a dog man. You know, those things are not interchangeable. They're different. And you know, I you know, there's stories up and you know, like I said in Northeast Oklahoma of shape shifters, Uh, kind of a funny story. This is old, you know, old old you know medicine. But but there's two these two women could do these things. They could shape shift in the in the kind of wolve wolve kind of wolve like were wolf type thing. And they would always be beefing with each other. They had beef for their entire life. They were never could never get along, but they would always beef with each other, you know, through you know, through this kind of you know, shamanism, shape shifting thing. And you know, there was a nurse one night and said that she saw a wolf, you know, I guess on the hind legs walking in the in the nursing home, walking around in the nursing home, it was that one of those ladies going in to mess with the other lady. So you know, there's you know, kind of getting back to to dog Man something that happened to me when I was on the Illinois

59:51 or when I was it was on Halloween night, which is kind of a crazy I'm being very long winn and I apologize and I'm kind of hitting all these different stories and and whatnot. But we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I was on the Illinois River driving to a cabin that we rented out on how are we nine? And I saw something on the right hand side of the road and it looked like a wolf. It was on all fours, but it was sitting next like on a time haunches, like you know, like when if someone was bending down to like kind of get out of the way, you know, if you know, like if you're standing up and then you swat down real quick. It looked like it was already squatting down. And I looked and I said, what was that? And this is before I even knew about dog. Man, I had no idea about this, And I was like, who was that. I was like, that's a big you know, that's a big dog. I ain't never seen no dog like that. Well, you know, fast forward, you know, into the night, and you know, people are like, man, I don't want to go outside, and I'm like, what are you telling about? She's They're like, man, when we pulled up, there was a big old dog outside. It was like it wasn't near the house, but it was I guess up up the road a little bit kind of where I saw it, but it was on down like it was coming closer to the to the cabin where we were at.

1:01:19 And they were like, man, we almost hit this big old dog and it was huge. We don't even know what it was like. I like, we didn't. We had to swerve out of the way, you know. And that's that's how they're describing it. And there were some people outside sitting on the porch and where you know, this is a big old you know, kind of doing young people things and and I guess I'm still young, but I'm saying, you know, kind of young and dumb stuff like you know, and people. You know, I had some people tell me they swear on everything. There was a howl that came from the river and it was a big howl. You know. We had music going and they heard it over the music, you know, which is kind of a you know, crazy thing. But that's that's all that's in Talent Wall. That's kind of up the river in Talent Wall. You know when it comes, you know, but I can keep going. I mean, you know, there's all just different types of you know stories. You know, there's one out of kind of southern Oklahoma. You know, when it comes to kind of I guess it's like a it's like a trail, I guess of this thing. This thing has been running a trail, I guess, and people have seen it. But yeah, man, there's there's I think they're I think they're pretty rampant here in Oklahoma. I would say, without a doubt, you guys have some things going on down there with dog Man as well.

1:02:37 Now do you not not even to mention your your hyena story that I just randomly decided to ask you about, which is weird that that came up. But I have a question. It's, you know, part of my ignorance. But so I know that on the Navajo Nation they have the Navajo Rangers. Is there equivalent of that on the reservations in your area? So no, I would say no. Now, Now granted, you know, when you're dealing each each nation here kind of in the northeast and kind of the five civilized tribes and it's you know, Seminole, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee and Creek and the Skogan Creek, and you know, everything has to be more corporate nowadays. I would say when it comes to that, but I would not be surprised. And this is just kind of you know, my thought is, I would not be surprised if they had a unit or some type of paranormal investigative, you know, section of each Marshall or you know Marshall, Turkee, Marshalls and then the Creek Nation, light Horse.

1:04:04 I wouldn't be surprised if they went out and investigated because you know these you know, one thing that's happening in especially in Creek Country is a lot of people are moving out of the city and they're buying land. And I wouldn't be surprised that you know, those those you know Christmas and Creed Naser or Turkey Nation. They have people to go out and say, hey, we got a weird call of this seven foot tall hairyman. You know, you know, they may be off the record. I don't know, but I would not be surprised at all if that's kind of if they if they had something like that. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised either. And you know, if there's someone that's listening and that's you, and hey, if you want to reach out, that's cool. But yo, hold of man, this has been such a fun and refreshing interview. My goodness, this has been a good, good time. Uh can you do you mind spending a few minutes talking about, uh, you know, what the War Crime podcast is. What listeners can you expect to hear? Uh, you know when they subscribe and listen to that. Yeah, so a lot of the things that you guys hear I do. I do discuss, you know, some of these things on my podcast. I go a little bit harder when it comes to certain things. You know, my my podcast consists consists of basically true crime to conspiracy to native stories to you know, basically anything and

1:05:38 everything you know that that's that goes bump in the night, and and you know, I try to I try to do research on things, and I try to reach out to people and get information and and uh, but my the podcast is available on basically you know, Spotify, Apple, Google, you know, it's on YouTube. I got some interviews on there. I every episode I think up until the latest one is up, is up on YouTube. But you can find me, like I said, war Cry podcasts, and you can even add me on Facebook two as well. You hold a Tiger, but send me a message. You know, sometimes people just add me and I'm like, I'm gonna accept it because you know, I don't know who you are. But if you send me a message and say, hey, man, I listen to I heard you on Bigfoot Society or I heard you here or you know, or you know, I love the podcast, and I'll accept you because you know I said, like I said, I like I like talking to people, and I like getting information and stories from people. Absolutely, And you know, listeners, if you holda said something and it jogged your memory about you know something you know about Oklahoma, reach out to him, send him a message, get him more information, for sure, But you hold it has been a pleasure chatting with you tonight. Any Yeah, yeah, real quick. You didn't ask me about that? So have you heard about this again? You totally yeah, go for it, man, So you didn't ask me about the casino that reportedly had that that the video of that big foot coming out of the grass grease

1:07:10 trap. Have you heard about that? I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah. So I've had an individual come forward and he worked security there and he himself before that video happened. Now, there's multiple theories, there's multiple different things that people say that happened, but he swears by this is what happened is essentially that, and this is kind of this is kind of I'm gonna say, you know what, you know whatever, we're here, We're I've already mentioned it, so we're here. Essentially what happened was is the tribe confiscated it. The tribe confiscated that that video. Okay, but they were late, and allegedly there are copies possibly out there somewhere. And I would not be surprised if we hear twenty years from now that it that it came up that the videos resurface somehow. I've also heard a theory from someone different that said that Matt Moneymaker from the BFRO bought it. Jeez, you're gonna get me so much trouble. Now, Well, there's a big allegedly that that's wild. Okay, that's that's from somebody that works there that told that said that as well. Now, I like I said one thing about

1:08:43 this tape, and this is why everything I'm talking about is allegedly and I don't nothing is for certain. But what I do know for sure is that from what I was told from this this person, that there was a group of older lay and this is how this whole thing kind of culminated into what it became. Is either this happened before or after, and I cannot exactly remember how they described it, but there was a group of senior citizens that had come to gamble, which is a wild thing to do, is to send nursing home people into in the casino to spend their nursing home money.

1:09:24 Yet that it's kind of wild, But it was a bunch of senior citizens that I gets. I don't know if I say, I don't if it was a nursing home or whatever. The bus driver saw this thing standing at the tree line waiting for those ladies to come out. Are those ladies and those men to come out, those senior citizens to come out? He took off and quit. Then that's then the guy that I you know, the like said, the person I've talked to, basically saw one of these things that heard tree knocks and hollers I think the next night, and then that's when they got the film. And I've this is something that I've really I've been very interested in, and I've been trying to get people to come forward, and I've and I've even put it out there on some episodes. It's like, hey, have you heard anything? Let me know. And like I said, I had this gentleman who worked, like I said, he worked there, and he was, you know, relaying to me that you know, it's it. Don't never say never on that thing, because it may eventually come out, and when it does, it'll blow the roof off because it because this is this tape was and if you remember, this is like what early a few thousands I believe maybe even before that. Maybe I remember seeing it on the news very briefly, and I remember they mentioned it here in Oklahoma. And that has been a thing that I have been trying to get to the bottom of it. I've been asking people basically since I heard about it, and you know, like I said, well they said

1:10:56 one of it, like you I said, I heard that one of the managers went to the news station and that's how it got out, and then they had to quickly reel it in and and you know things like that. So if anybody has heard anything about this videotape and about this casino, I'm not going to mention the casino because I don't want, you know, anyone to get in trouble for deformation anything like that. But everything out, like I said, everything from the point that I mentioned the casinos and right now it's all alleged. But if you know anything, or you heard anything, or you know somebody that knows somebody, let me know, because I said, I've been trying to get to the bottom of this, and this is a mystery that I would like to crack. Dude, I'm loving it. I love when people dig deep into their their state mysteries about Bigfoot. I think that was back in like two thousand and two or something around around there.

1:11:45 Alleged incident with the casino and the missing footage and it's just a fascinating story. And yeah, listeners, if you know, reach out to Yahola please. I didn't even mention what was on the tape either. I'm sorry. So they So there was two different things that I was told from, like I said, multiple people, is that they got a full shot of this thing, a full shot, like a clear cut this is Bigfoot. Then I also heard that, you know, all they could see, you know, from someone else said that they all they could see was an arm or they could you know, basically, this thing was eating the grease out of this trap and it was eating whatever was in that. That's what I've heard. Yeah, and you know, the one that I think I believe is I think they've seen the whole thing. That's the story that I think that I believe is that they found that full the full video. I mean, the person that I talked to said he's seen it and he said it was He said that he's like they will never be able to read like there's no footage out there that's going to be able to prove the existence of this thing, but that video will is what he he's so he's holy Mackel, have you recorded an interview with this guy? So it's all not he may eventually do it. Okay, he's an older guy. He's an older gentleman.

1:13:13 He's he's you know, he's he's aged a lot. I'll say. Yeah, he currently lives in a different country. And so so he eventually he told me, he said, I'm going to kind of build up the nerve and he said he may talk about it, but he has a lot of other you know, stories about Canada dog man, and he's got all types of other stories that that he shared with me. And but yeah, you never know, guys, you never know. Those are the guys you need. Man. Man, that's that's an interview right there. Man, hopefully you can get that, you know, uh, get a great relationship with that gentleman and be able to interview him. But man, I love talking to individual like that. Well, man, uh, I'll be exciting to see if something happens from from this in the future and maybe that video will will one day you know, show up again. Be incredible. Yeah, it would be. Oh. I love a good mystery, and that's a that's a good mystery. To thank you for bringing that up. At the end, you hold this has been a good time, man, did you have any any other closing thoughts before before we and start to end out this episode. Yeah, I just appreciate you you're having me on and and like I said, this a lot of the other thing that I've you know, I've talked about or to me is like it's all very interesting to me

1:14:45 and it's very intriguing. And like I said, I appreciate you having me on, and hopefully we can do this again sometime. Absolutely, thanks for coming on, Yohola, no prom at all, man, you're a big for Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening