Class A LBL Bigfoot Encounter / Belly Crawl Bigfoot of Washington

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to two BFRORO

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researchers, Scott Taylor and Larry Sidwell, about their experiences researching Bigfoot in Washington,

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West Virginia, and Kentucky. If
you have experienced something similar to what

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these two have, or have more
information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the

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same areas, please reach out immediately
to me after this episode. Remember,

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your encounter could be the key too
unlocking this mystery once and for all,

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so please don't hesitate to contact me
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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All right, Bigfoot Society, we
have mister Scott Taylor with us today.

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Scott, how's it going. It's
going really good, this fine ball day

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awesome. Yeah, it's a beautiful
one out here in Iowa, for sure,

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and I'm sure it's even more beautiful
out there in the Pacific Northwest.

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But let's get down to it.
I wanted to talk to a BFRO investigator,

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and so I did a little dig
in the citing reports on the website

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and your name comes up a lot
for Washington. You're all over the place,

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So Scott, can you tell us
a little background about yourself and how

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you got into the whole bigfoot thing
and all that good stuff. Okay,

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I've been a lifelong hunter and fisherman
and all that, and been out in

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the woods a lot, and then
totally a bbivalent about the subject of bigfoots.

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I had seen the Patterson Gimlin film
when I was a kid and all

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that, watched the TV shows In
Search of with Lyndard d moy and all

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that, so there was a little
bit of an interest there. But two

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thousand and five, I was deer
hunting only about ten miles west of where

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I currently live and had an encounter
there. And that just turns your world

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upside down as soon as you have
an encounter, because this so called myth

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is suddenly real and everything you thought
you knew about the world is different.

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So my coping mechanism was not only
to shoot my mouth off a lot at

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work about it. It was also
to start learning everything I could. So

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I was digging into books on the
internet, looking at the stories and just

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trying to learn everything I could.
And then I saw the DFROL website had

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expeditions that you could you could sign
up for and go and this will be

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fun. So I signed up for
an expedition the summer of two thousand and

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six and had a great time.
I met some awesome friends, got to

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meet Bob Gimmelin, got to listen
to his whole story. It seemed three

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hours when he told the whole thing, all the details, details you'll never

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read anywhere, and just really enjoy
it. And made like I said,

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made a lot of friends. And
we started networking and started meeting up and

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doing a little bit of squatching and
learning from each other. And I was

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asked to be an investigator because of
the interest I showed, and so I

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said, sure, I'll do that, and so I got signed up for

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it, and they taught me the
ropes of how to do an investigation and

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use the VFR was a huge database
and there's around seventy five thousand reports in

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there right now. Wow. And
I just started doing reports about two a

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month. I've since slowed down in
life. Life changes, work responsibilities change.

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COVID came along. We had I
took an early layoff, basically in

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an early retirement, but it was
a layoff from Boeing, and I moved

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out to our place which is out
in the forest. I've got a clear

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cut to the west, I got
woods, to the north woods, to

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the east woods, to the south, nearest neighbors a quarter mile away.

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I thought, Okay, I want
to live out here where they live.

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But anyway, I'm backing up to
doing reports and that kind of thing.

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I was just looking at my log
book. I'm up to almost one hundred

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and ninety reports that have followed up
on Wow. A lot of them,

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maybe half, turned out to be
absolutely nothing. The people won't get back

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to you. You call them up, they won't return your calls. Just

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nothing there. But there's a good
percentage of them that are really solid eyeball

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sightings what we call class bees,
where you hear wood knocks and you might

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hear vocalizations and rock clacking and tree
breaking and that kind of thing. And

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then there's the real good nuggets are
the reports where there's habituation going on,

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where these people live out in the
forest or out in a rural area.

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They've got forests around them, and
they realize that something's going on with something

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that's sharing their property with them.
Tools might get moved around, if they're

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left out, might disappear and find
them out on a trail somewhere. Dogs

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get beat up, have problems.
Funny things like there might be stick structures

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found on the property. Either there
might be actual sightings, glyfts, rock

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patterns left on their back porch or
something like that. Where do these five

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rocks come from? By rock?
Hey, there's five people in the family.

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They're acknowledging that. Oh, that
kind of thing. Really, And

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it's also a journey. When I
started out, you've got this notion,

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this preconceived idea that you're dealing with
a great, big wood ape, something

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that is just like a super elusive
primate that's out there, and which makes

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the whole problem easy to wrap your
head around. But then as you go

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along and you learn and you learn, and you have experiences, you compare

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notes with other investigators, You go
on a bunch of expeditions and compare notes

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with a lot of other people.
Plus the experiences you have following up on

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reports, you find out there's more
to it, a lot more to it.

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They're not just a dumb wood ape. They're smart. They have their

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own norms things that they do everywhere. Some groups will do more wood knocking

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in some areas, and other groups
will do more whoops and haulers. And

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it just depends on that local family
or clan in the region, but they

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all do similar things. You'll have
your vocalization, you'll have your wood knocking,

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you'll have your tree breaking, you'll
have rock clacking, you'll have glyphs,

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you'll have stick structures, you'll have
subtle signs that they're around. But

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it's the same everywhere, all the
way from Florida to Alaska, and from

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southern California all the way up to
Maine. All over they're doing similar kinds

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of things. That is fascinating.
I'm glad you answered my question without me

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asking it, which is nice.
The whole what do you think Bigfoot is?

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And that's a very interesting explanation,
is very cool, But I'm curious.

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I would assume you've been on tons
of expeditions right all over the place,

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going out with the BFRO. You're
out there in the Pacific Northwest.

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Has there been a time where you've
been like, I'm in too deep,

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this is too crazy, or I
don't want to be here right now because

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of what's happening. Has there been
that level? Not for me personally,

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okay, but I do see that
in other people. Okay, when you

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start down this journey, of learning
this, it will reach a point where

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some people cannot go further. And
that's where we get into what everybody calls

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woo wu stuff. Okay talking,
you're talking early on the idea of eye

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glow was woo sure, and people
would say, people with PhDs would say

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that's impossible, but they don't didn't
understand what was actually happening there because they're

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not out in the field. When
you got people out in the field and

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they're seeing eye glow and two big
eyes that are eight feet up peeking out

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from behind a tree, it's really
happening. I don't care that the PhD

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says it's impossible. It's really happening. And other things like cloaking, being

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able to just look out, can't
see them until they move. When they

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move, you can see them on
the movie Predator, right, yeah,

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exactly, yeah, And they can
do that and people have gotten videos of

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that. I've personally seen it myself, so I know that they do it.

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The great video that Barb Shoot got
on our channel squatching with Barb or

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Bob and Gabby. Yeah, Barbon, Gabby, that's your dog passed on.

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But anyway, excellent cloak or video
they do this stuff. But then

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there's people to say that's impossible.
I can't wrap my head around that,

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And that's okay, But that's where
you're gonna stop. You're not gonna keep

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learning because they've got a lot to
teach us. If we'll listen. As

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soon as we're done listening, then
we're done. You're not going to progress

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any further. But then it can
take you down a rabbit hole that is

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is pretty mind blowing, and you
find out there's a different things out of

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there besides just our big forest friends. You've actually experienced you've seen cloaking done

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by a bigfoot in the field.
You talking about how that was or what

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you experienced. The first time,
me and two friends a Gallon her son

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had gone out to explore this this
area that's south of Tacoma, Washington,

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about point five miles. It's an
area that was set aside formerly logging land

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that it was set aside to be
a state park and since it's been developed,

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but old logging roads and we were
just walking out on the logging roads,

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just walking around, and that there
had been a number of really good

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sightings around the area. Report I'd
follow it up on just a half a

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mile away where they were having things
happen real regularly every week. Something was

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going on, and we're just walking
out on our way back to the truck,

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and we heard a big something moving
from our right to our left,

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and it walked up across the road
right in front of us. But it

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was all blurry and shimmery. The
thing was huge. And then as it

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walked off the left side of the
roads through the trees, we could see

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the trees moving and then it seemed
to stop about fifty yards in, completely

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out of sight, and this beautiful, big, loud whistle came to us.

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And so the guy I was with, she is really good at whistling.

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I'm not so good at She is
really good at whistling. And they

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whistled back and forth that little exchange
for about four times, and then we

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just heard it walk away. Got
bored with us. It walked away,

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definitely three of us. Okay,
I was going to I was going to

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ask that all three members of the
party saw that the shimmering as it moved.

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Yeah, that was all. What
is that? So? Yeah?

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Is that something that you hear a
lot come and come up in reports for

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the areas out there? No no, okay, So the general public that

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turns in reports have it's new to
them. The whole conceptor the bigfoot is

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new to them. They would never
think to tie those things together. As

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a matter of fact, they would
never even notice that something like that had

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happened. More than likely we don't. I have never seen reports come in

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to talk about the WU stuff,
because it's just that's so far down the

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spectrum of understanding for the general public
that it's just not associated with it.

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It's more with the ghost hunters,
which would pick up on and a lot

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of times when I watch some of
the TV shows about the ghost hunting people,

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I'm going, hey, they're dealing
with a bigfoot and they don't know

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it. But that's that's interesting.
Yeah, okay, that's very interesting that

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I never thought that way, But
yeah, totally in certain areas that that

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could be the case. That's wild
to think about. Do you think that

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bigfoot cloaking would fall in the field
of what some consider wo My personal opinion

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is that it's going to be mainstream, and it already is starting to become

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that as more and more people experience
it, learn that it happens, and

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once you learn that it happens,
you learn to watch out for it.

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And like I said, the idea
of eye glow that was considered wo at

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one time, and it's not.
Now every experienced bigfooter knows watch out for

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iglow at night when you're doing your
night walks, because that's the first thing

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you're going to see. Now,
that kind of thing and other things don't

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gradually become mainstream. They call that
stuff paranormal. Paranormal just is normal.

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We don't understand exactly, we don't
know the mechanism that it's happening with.

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But if you just think back to
a little mental exercise, Say you took

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somebody from the year fifteen hundred and
you took them to Walmart and you walk

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up to the front door. Not
only are the cars and everything driving around

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going to freak them out, but
you walk up to the door and the

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door just magically opens to them,
magically opens. Now, we today,

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because we understand the mechanisms, we
know there's a little radar thing up there

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and it detects the presence of a
person and it opens up. But to

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them that would be sorcery, absolutely
paranormal. They wouldn't get it. There's

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a lot out there as humans.
As modern as we think we are,

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we still don't understand. There is
so many parts of the spectrum that we

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can't or we can't see with the
type of technological instruments we have right now,

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who knows what's actually out there?
And that could be all over the

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place, not just bigfoot, could
be other stuff too. But has there

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been a time when you've been out
in the field where you've been able to

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see, get a really good look
at, like a face to face encounter,

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anything like that. The one where
I was that I could have done

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that was at night, okay,
and he was only three feet away,

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three feet away, three feet away. Yeah, Yeah, he wanted to

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grab me. He could have grabbed
me. And it was fun. They

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were having fun with us. We
had a group that was night walking.

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We went out to the end of
the road. We all sat down,

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summertime, ten thirty eleven o'clock.
It was still light to the northwest.

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Night vision was fully formed. We
could see pretty good, and we were

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approached from three different directions. Oh
man, And they weren't being they weren't

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being stealthy about it. They were
just stomping. They came down to watch

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us so woo's watching? Who who's
observing? Anyway, this one had crossed

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the road and was lying in the
grass, and half of the group got

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so scared because of this that they
wanted to be taken out. And so

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I'm going, cheek, you came
all this way. You're here for people,

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and this is what you're here for. And now they're here, let's

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make lemons lemonade out of lemons.
So I said, okay, here's the

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plan. Half the group stays and
observes what they do. When I walk

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out with basically the children and their
mom, and walking up the road,

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it had crossed belly crawled across the
road. Somebody saw it. Nobody was

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listening to that young man, but
they I saw it walk right up,

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even with it on my side of
the road, and it gets up and

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it got up on all fours and
it's like having a something the size of

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a cow, that's how big they
are. Got up and we all I

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was startled. I turned around like
I was going to hit it with my

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walking stick. The woman and her
kids were screaming. Anyway, it just

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turned and dove off the side of
the hill, down the hill, so

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it didn't do anything. Other than
scared the heck out of us. Yeah,

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and to me, that was one
of the most fun encounters I've ever

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had. But other sightings have been
a little more of a distance. I

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saw a little one look like a
four foot tall cousin it walking across the

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basically running across the road in front
of it was only about fifty yards in

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front of the vehicle that was pre
dash camera days. Ran across the road

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coming back same day, coming back, getting ready to turn into the clearing

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where we had our main base camp. A great, big one, full

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adult walks across the road about two
hundred yards down the road in front of

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us, and they are so fast. I had my camera out, I

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had it on, I had my
finger on the button, and he walks

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out. My passenger said, there
he is, But my at tension was

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already on making my turn. Yeah. So by the time I look up

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to where it was and got my
finger to push the button, who's already

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gone. Oh man, I didn't
get him, but on that expedition several

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other people did. Because you could
go to that spot where where we were,

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put your camera up, walk you
know, face it down the road

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and about the same time every evening
he crossed the road right there. That's

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crazy a couple of hundred yards away. Wow, that's like repeatable behavior.

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That's wild man. Yeah, I
love it. They have fun with us.

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Yeah, that's one thing about a
BFRO expedition. You create an enticing,

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fun atmosphere. You have not only
do you have the guys there,

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but you have a them in there. You have kids there. Kids are

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welcome. One expedition, we had
kids riding around on bikes and talking on

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the radios and have a great time. It's a fun kind of a deal

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where you don't have to say to
the kids, sh wyat, you're going

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to scare the Bigfoot. You want
them to notice that you're there and everybody's

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thinking about them. So we're putting
out this bigfoot vibe and at least I

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think so, and they're picking up
on that and they're going, we got

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to go see what's going on with
these people. And we had one time

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everybody's sitting around a campfire and adults
have been doing whoops and that kind of

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thing. Get nothing. In response, we said, hey, kids,

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do a whoop. So all the
kids one, two, three older kids

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went whoop and we got an instant
response. Really they were. Yeah,

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they were keyed in on those kids. And so because of the atmosphere that

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you create, fun, non threatening, interesting singing, lapping, joking,

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having a good time, but also
being serious about it, but not so

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serious that you look like you're hunting. Sure, eighty five percent of the

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time, my guess is you'll have
something happen, and that's pretty regular.

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We had one this summer where it
was an expedition where not a lot happened,

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but we did have one good sighting. And also when the whole group

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was at the main base area having
a meeting, when decided he was going

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to leave some footprints where we could
find him. Wow, and left a

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great, big one pose everything for
some people to cast. All so they'll

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they'll furtively play around with you if
they don't even if they don't want to

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get too involved with what's going on, they'll at least let you know they're

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around. Roughly how many different expeditions
you think you've been involved with over the

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years, probably fifteen. Wow.
Let's pretend you have someone they're coming out

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on the expedition, it's their first
time. How would you like that person

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to be prepared to be able to
handle themselves in a big fit expedition.

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What kind of stuff do they need? Okay, all you really need?

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You don't need a lot. You
need proper clothing, footwear, You need

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proper camping gear because you're going to
have your own tent and your sleeping bag

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and all that kind of thing.
Just the regular camera I prefer from your

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standard digital camera over a cell phone. The reason I don't prefer the cell

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phone, and that's just me,
though, is because it leaves as part

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of the metadata latitude and longitude.
It's a good point and if you don't

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know how to scrub that off of
it, other people can go figure out

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exactly where you were. So I
shy away from that, especially when I'm

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dealing with a habituation site. I
don't want people to know where that is.

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Getting back to your question, headlamp
that has read, a good walk

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in stick, something you can use
for scale when you take pictures. The

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most frustrating thing for an investigator is
to have somebody send them a picture of

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what looks like a really nice footprint
and you can't tell how big it is.

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But not all big footprints are big. They have babies, little tiny

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peat all the way up twenty one
two inches, having something for scale,

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they'll need that. And then other
than that, a pack with your basic

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things that you need in it,
a compass water. If they want to

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bring something to make castings with,
Hydrocal is better. Don't bring plaster of

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Paris. That does not really work
that well. It's not structurally strong enough,

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in my opinion. Hydrocal which you
get a lot of building supplies,

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especially building supplies, a deal with
masonry. You can get that. Bring

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that along. I used to carry
it in my pack and my back start

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to hurt me. That stuff steavy. I keep it in a tote.

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It can't. If we find something, I'll go get it. But that

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kind of thing, and then the
other thing is being emotionally ready to deal

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with the subject. Some people aren't
there. We always have a talk first

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night of what to expect, so
people are crimed for it. We don't

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tell them about the wu stuff That
will sometimes turn people off because they're not

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ready for that. But we tell
them if you have some weird things happening,

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I don't care how weird it is, come populous. And usually there's

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an expedition staff member there who understands
that stuff and can maybe cleared up for

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them, but we don't want to
pre prime them to be seeing cloak bigfoots

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everywhere. We just want them to
just experience what happens out there. Most

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activity is in the dark at night. When I do night walks, I

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insist on the light none, not
even the red light, the light light,

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flashlight with you, or the headlamp
with you. But it's for emergencies.

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Somebody gets hurt, trips over something, we need to deal with,

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a medical emergency. Yeah, turn
on the headlights. If something happened,

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were to happen that was people were
feeling very threatened. Okay, you can

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hit the white lights. It'll stop, they'll go away. You can leave

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and diffuse the situation. You're there
to have an experience no lights after fifteen

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to twenty minutes in the dark,
on no moonlight, you can see everybody.

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You can see what's on the road, you can see where the rocks

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are. People's night vision is a
lot better than most people realize because they

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never go do it. To me, one of the most fun and interesting

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things is seeing the scenes that you
see in the dark. You're not just

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seeing black. You're seeing things,
but it's from a perspective that humans generally

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don't get to see and it's beautiful. Not only that, but that's when

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they're out. So if you want
to have the highest chance of having an

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encounter, that's when you do that. And let the people in the group

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split apart a little bit, some
ahead, some behind sometimes want to come

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out walk between the groups, following
the first group the follow along to the

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side. There was one time where
the group had seen went on a thermal

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and walked just what kept going and
walked up to where that was. Then

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they saw two of them off about
fifty yards away, and so they all

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just stopped and the girls started singing
a song and swaying back and forth.

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Okay, and the guys with the
the people with the thermals were watching them,

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and the sasquatches were swaying back and
forth with the girls as they were

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singing the song. And that's not
uncommon to have that thing. I've even

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heard reports where there's been audio captured
where it's like it almost sounds like singing.

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Oh yeah, they sing. Have
you experienced that you yourself. I

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have heard recordings of a good friend
of mine did of them singing basically a

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lullaby to an infant m that's kind
of what it sounded like. It sounded

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like a or even almost like an
old it's hard like an old hymn.

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It's just very weird. I don't
know. And they love music. They

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love music. That's a good technique
for getting them to come in and understand

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that the group that they're dealing with
is friendly, is not a threat.

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Play music. Now, if you
go out there and you play heavy metal,

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headbaky music, they're not going to
have anything to do with you.

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But if you play something that is
peaceful and sweet sounding and soothing, they

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got to come listen. And if
you do the same thing every night after

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night, the longer you do it, the more they'll come. Do you

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think there's any talking about call blasting? Have you ever heard of people using

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like a baby cry? Just try? Do you find that effective or it

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just leads to weird stuff? Mixed
results? Mixed results. We've had everything

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from nothing happening to so much going
on that everybody wished they'd never tried it.

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That's what I hear a lot.
Yeah, they have in the past

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come in very aggressively because they're not
sure if it's one of their kids or

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one of our kids, because when
they're infants, you can't tell the difference.

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Have you ever experienced times where things
have started to get more aggressive or

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not or hopefully not. I don't
know how you look at it, but

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no, not really, okay,
good most of the time, it's respectful

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on both sides. You see it
on some of the TV shows. There's

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a bigfoot over there, run at
it. Yeah, you're nuts. Now

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you need some help with what you're
supposed to do. He's supposed to stand

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there, film it, thermal it
collect all the data you can. But

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if you run at it, it's
going to go away. It's not going

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to stick around and wait for you
to catch up. Do so, no

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bluff charging, is what you're saying. No, people have had those experiences.

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Witnesses have had those experiences. For
instance, a guy who say hunting,

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and he's checking out a draw that
he's never hunted before, and it's

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pretty rough and remote to get into, and he starts going up in there

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and he gets the HEVGB vibe maybe
I shouldn't be here, but he presses

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on through that. Most people take
that tint and leave, but he presses

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on through that and he's going in
an area where their family is, so

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they're going to kick him out and
he's going to get screened at. He's

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going to get rocks thrown at him. One thing they like to do is

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grab a big tree limit to snap
it off and it makes a lot of

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noise. It's very startling. They're
just trying to get him to turn around

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and leave. There are people who
have taken that hint started leaving and it

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basically escorts them out. They think
they're being chased. They think they're running

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for their lives. They think that
if they stop, they're going to get

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grabbed and killed. But no,
they're just being hurted out. One fellow

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I knew of that. He was
running away and he tripped and fell and

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he expected to be killed. Wow. And all that did is it stopped

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and waited for him to get up. That's weird. He took off running,

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it just kept up with him.
They are so incredibly fast. If

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they want to catch you, you're
done, man, They will catch you.

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There is no human that can run
as fast as what they can.

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Their intent is not to hurt you, Their intent is to make you leave.

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Take the hint. That is very
interesting. Oh, man Scott.

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This has been a awesome conversation and
thank you so much for coming on.

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Crazy to think we're already at the
end of the time, but I could

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see maybe sometime in the future,
if you're up for it, maybe we'll

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have a follow up interview because it
sounds like you got stories on stories and

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some good advice. But is there
a way that people can keep up to

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what you're doing or just keep an
eye on the BFO or what do you

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say? I would say, just
keep an eye on the BFRO website look

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for reports recently added. Sure not
all of them that we do get published.

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Some of them the witness doesn't want
it published. Others are just It

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could be anything, but that would
be the best way to do it.

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I'm going to be speaking this year
at the Sasquatch Summit, Ocean Shores,

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Washington, Okay. That's a November
eighteenth and nineteenth. I believe that's usually

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a really good event, a lot
of fun people can come to that.

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I've spoken other places, libraries and
Boy Scout troops and that kind of thing,

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but I don't have a web side
of my own. I prefer to

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let my work stand on the quality
of the reports that we do. I

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love it. Thank you for coming
on swer Okay, you're very welcome.

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Thanks for coming back to another Bigfoot
Society episode. This time we have Larry

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Sidwell from West Virginia. How's it
going, Larry? Very good? How

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are you? I'm doing great,
having a great Central Iowa day, nice

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and windy, but the sun's out
and loving it. How's it over there

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in West Virginia? It's a warm, sunny and wendy also gotta love it.

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These are just now starting in the
peak around here, so it's really

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nice. I'm having you on today, Larry, because I got this crazy

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idea that it would be cool to
chat with a few BFRO investigators. So

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I did some digging through the reports
on BFRO dot net. And the cool

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thing about that website is tells who
the scare was that was involved with the

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case. Reached out to a few
You were nice enough to agree to coming

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on the podcast, and this is
your first time chatting on a podcast,

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right, yes it is. I'm
excited. That's awesome. The other cool

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thing about the BFIRO is that they
have a little write up about the investigator.

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I'm seeing you've gone, I would
say at least twenty five expeditions over

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the years, going back through twenty
twelve. It's pretty impressive. Oh,

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thank you. And I've got a
few more. I've got to add on

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it. We just did a pleasant
hill lake thing with Bat money Maker in

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Ohio. Oh yeah, we're grown
Drone White. And I just got back

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from the Kentucky Bigot the KBROS expedition
and so and I'm leave two weeks from

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going to East Tennessee. And Lorie
Wade has a expedition in East Tennessee.

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She always does two or three a
year, so got more to do.

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Wow, that's amazing. You are
getting all over the place. I love

407
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.759
that. I just actually talked to
a gentleman from East Tennessee. He had

408
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:10.960
some pretty wild stories. He had
some folklore tales, and he was talking

409
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.519
about some sightings his family had over
the years of Bigfoot type creatures. And

410
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.079
it just seems like that Eastern Tennessee
area there's some wild stuff up in that

411
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.400
hills for sure. Yeah, I'm
anxious to get down there. I've been

412
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.880
in North Georgia and western North Carolina, but I've not done the Eastern Tennessee

413
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.559
yet, so this will be interesting. I guess it's a Cherokee National Forces

414
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.640
of the Beast. Okay, Larry, let's start with Let's start with the

415
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.119
beginning. What was it that first
got you into the big footing thing?

416
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.319
What was it that first got your
interest? I did when it was growing

417
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:52.480
up. I saw the old Patterson
Gimblin film in my hometown theater on one

418
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.400
Saturday afternoon, and I saw it
and I was a believer at that point.

419
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.440
But then years ago, you're working, going through school, and everything

420
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:06.480
got away from it. Then I
saw the bfro's website and saw that they

421
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.480
had an expedition coming up in Kentucky, and I signed up for that one,

422
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.720
and it had to be postponed for
some reason I can remember then.

423
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:21.720
And I ended up transferring to the
to the West Virginia expedition and that was

424
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:27.400
in twenty twelve and went and we
had tons of activity on that on that

425
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.559
expedition. The first night we were
on the trail, I was the guy

426
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:37.440
that was a guy named Tyler Bowns
who was who is big Northwest Northwestern.

427
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.599
I don't know if you know I
have heard the name. Yes, yeah,

428
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.079
he was our leader. One group. We had a home run knock

429
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.400
that first night, and that was
I was sold. At that point.

430
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:51.160
There was no way it was anything
other than something hitting it. It was

431
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.119
like the biggest four by four in
the woods hitting a big oak tree.

432
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:58.400
Wow. Then we went out and
some other groups had a Class A on

433
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.240
a thermally. It was the only
firmal we had that didn't record. I

434
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.279
wasn't with the friends were They watched
this thing for about ten or fifteen minutes.

435
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.160
It was tree peaking, then their
usual checking us out the behavior.

436
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.640
Then the last night we came back
and we did some call blasting with Managa

437
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.839
Hala down in down this road where
we were at down in the house the

438
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.519
Blackwater River, and that's where our
campsite was, wh It's Camp. Some

439
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.359
call blasting. Nothing really happened.
When we went back to camp about two

440
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.119
point thirty, we all went to
bed and I could not go to sleep

441
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.480
in the tent. I was like
my bones were aching. We'd hiked so

442
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.319
much, and a couple I think
it was at least two across the river

443
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.200
behind my tent. My tent was
supposed to. The river came up into

444
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:51.160
our campsite and pushed on the top
of my tent. I saw the hand

445
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.640
really down. Yes, this was
probably three thirty thirty in the morning.

446
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:59.319
Everybody else was asleep and snoring.
I think I was probably the only person

447
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:04.240
awakened in camp. And they messed
around their camp for a while, picking

448
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.239
up things, moving, rubbing on
stuff, and I was scared to death.

449
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.679
I was just literally terrified, and
to the point where I picked up

450
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.360
my key five. My truck was
run up the hill from me and was

451
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.880
ready to hit the emergency held arm
if you got crazy. But they moved

452
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.519
on the big clas did. There
was some chatter, weird chatter going on,

453
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.760
some grunts, and the next morning
I got up and talked to the

454
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.519
other people there. There was three
other campers there with other tent sites,

455
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.440
i should say, and we ended
up going down to the river and found

456
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.760
a partial print down where they had
crossed the river in the side of the

457
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:44.079
side of the bank, and so
that was exciting. It was the twenty

458
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.519
twelve West Virginia expedition. That was
my first and at the time I was

459
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.039
living the outer backs of North Carolina, so it was hard for me to

460
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.320
get back and forth. It was
a long haul, so I ended up

461
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.519
going on a couple of expeditions a
year there and we went back to the

462
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.679
same area in two thousand. Team
we had some activity that year that wasn't

463
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.519
as much. And some of these
expeditions you'll have tons of activity, and

464
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.719
others you won't have hardly any.
It just sometimes they don't want to play.

465
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.519
So your first that's incredible. Your
first bigfoot expedition in twenty twelve,

466
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.039
you had a bigfoot come to your
tent and press down on the tent.

467
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.960
I don't know how it can get
much better than that that. I wouldn't

468
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.239
have been able to get back to
sleep myself. I didn't go back to

469
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.079
sleep until then. The mother nature
was calling and I was too scared to

470
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.519
even go outside. It was scary. And the next morning finally we had

471
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.400
some daylight and everybody else got up
and I told them what happened, and

472
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.800
they were like, wow. We
would beard things across the river from us,

473
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.679
a couple of brown figures that we
couldn't really pinpoint what they were.

474
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.559
And this is days before any of
us had I didn't have a thermal imager.

475
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.599
None of the group I was with
had a thermal imager. Sure you

476
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.639
get stuff just going on across one
of the guys up the river. Something

477
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.440
had gotten into his tent messing around. We didn't know somebody or whatever,

478
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:09.480
So we end up moving his entire
tent down to our area and u and

479
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:14.239
stay in there. And the sad
part is that area where we're camping they

480
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:20.039
no longer love camping. It's in
the little Monoga Hala Wildlife Preserve. Okay,

481
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.639
I guess they have doing things they
shouldn't do down in there, so

482
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.400
they stopped camping along the river there. But it's an awesome place. Wow,

483
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.039
that sounds incredible. I've talked to
a few gentlemen from West Virgina.

484
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.519
Now, I've talked to people like
Joe Purdue, Dr Russ Jones. It

485
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:42.159
just sounds like the area, like
people don't realize how crazy for Bigfoot the

486
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.360
West Virginia area is, even to
the extent like it's almost, you know,

487
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.519
as crazy as the Pacific Northwest.
Do you have any thoughts regarding that?

488
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.400
Oh, yeah, it's it's really
taken off round here. You just

489
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.559
go around to some of the areas
down around Marlinton an area and talk to

490
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.920
people. Most of them are pretty
open about it. They'll will tell you

491
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.400
that they had these encounters numerous years
suit their family and their grandfathers and talking

492
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.960
about the wild Man of the woods
or whatever what they call him or whatever.

493
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:19.039
And Sutton is now doing a Bigfoot
festival in June and this sits the

494
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.800
second year this year, and it's
amazing how it's grown. And we were

495
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.960
the first year. We were on
like a question to answer panel being a

496
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:35.360
couple other big book guys here Charles
Kimbroke from Virginia and Greg Virginia, and

497
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.079
we were on stage for almost two
hours. It was supposed to be on

498
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.880
the like and everything, when these
people were just asking questions and really and

499
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.599
so Yeah, Russ Jones and Darren
Pavarnic were the leaders of the first expedition,

500
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.199
first and second expedition in West Virginia. I went on, Russ is

501
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.159
a great guy. He is?
It really seems like he is. Yeah,

502
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:58.320
let's just so I don't forget it. You mentioned that you were able

503
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.519
to go out to a high to
do some work with Matt Moneymaker. Is

504
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:06.679
there anything that you can share from
how that experience went? Okay, Yeah,

505
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.840
it was at pleasant Hill Lake Park
in the Muskingham I can pronounce that

506
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:16.639
right watershed district and they had a
sighting and their primitive campground a year before.

507
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.960
So Louis andre Is, he's in
charge of these, the Natalist and

508
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.159
he does special events for the park, decided to set up a thing and

509
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.440
he and Suzanne Faarinjech got together and
they got this thing together. We get

510
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.440
volunteers. There's twelve volunteers. We
went out and what happened was we decided

511
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.239
to do Bat wanted to do.
This is like a project he'd been wanting

512
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:45.559
to do for a long time using
a thermal drone. And so a guy

513
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.519
named Robert Evans, he lives in
Saint Augustine, Florida. He has some

514
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.719
real nice strone equipment and they got
it all together, got him up here.

515
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.320
We all were over there in the
first of September and were there a

516
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.039
week getting up. There was a
lot of planning involved and it was a

517
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.599
whole festival and was for the family
and everything. They had a VFP dinner

518
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.679
on Friday night, and during the
VFP dinner we were able to fly the

519
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:19.480
drone and in real time transmit the
drone images back to a big screen TV

520
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.480
wow so that the participants in the
VFP dinner and Matt narrated and I was

521
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.400
the radio man between Matt and Robert
Evans. He was flying flying the drone

522
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.400
pilot and we were able to We
didn't see any big foots, but we

523
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.800
you know, a lot of deer
and stuff there. People were able to

524
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:42.280
see the technology. Unfortunately at the
time of here the tree canopy layer,

525
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.480
it was hard to get down here. You could see down in some mirrors.

526
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:52.599
We had long inch woods and it
was really a great thing at the

527
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.239
technology. This thermal imager was six
forty resolution. He could free it in,

528
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.000
bring it out. We flew it. We flew five missions each night.

529
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.880
We had five batteries, so we
flew each five missions. The first

530
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.280
night and the second night they had
a town hall down at the park,

531
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.440
had the big big screen set up
there and the end of it after the

532
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.559
after the town hall meeting where people
were discussing their sightings in the area and

533
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:23.679
all this it's mainly in the Mohican
Forest, Mohican State Park area, okay.

534
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.280
And this border is that there's a
lake between the park and the pleasant

535
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.599
Hill Lake Park the Mohican Park and
the people were they did they talked about

536
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.639
their sightings like in a town hall, like they did on finding big Foot,

537
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.920
and so we flew it again that
night and when things were a lot

538
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.199
smoother the second night. We'd had
some internet issues the first night and we

539
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.159
worked all that out and the second
night we were able to look. It

540
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.320
was flawless. We did so much
more stuff, We had a lot more

541
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.719
gear. We actually had two bucks
fighting, and Yeah, it came out

542
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.599
really nice and it looks like we're
going to do it again next year,

543
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.519
the first weekend of October. We're
going to repeat it. That money Maker

544
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.000
will be coming back there. And
it was a pleasure to get to work

545
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.519
with Math for a week and get
to really know him, and he is

546
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:17.519
so passionate about the research that is
fascinating. It sounds like there's there's probably

547
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.599
some plans in order to fine tune
that in the future. I just just

548
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:29.559
you know, you can have an
audience seeing live looking for a big foot.

549
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.719
That just that blows my mind.
That makes for a very cool future

550
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.960
to do with big footing. You
could have multiple people watching and more people

551
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:43.400
are going to notice things logically than
just one person looking at the footage,

552
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.960
and that's it could get really cool. Yeah, they were able to tell

553
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:53.519
us where things were because we're looking
at wow TV a phone size screen and

554
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:59.159
or laptop, and we're not able
to see the full projection, and they

555
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.440
were telling us to go right,
go left, and so we'd have the

556
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.360
drone go right left. Then it
was really amazing. That is awesome.

557
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.239
Yeah, Matt has some very interesting
forward thinking ideas when it comes to utilizing

558
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.000
technology and bigfoot research, and hopefully
someday I'll be able to chat with them.

559
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.719
Let's talk some more about your expeditions
over the years, Larry. That

560
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.239
first expedition, you had some really
crazy things happen. Was it a thing

561
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:34.039
where did things get even more wild
over the years at different expeditions or was

562
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.440
that twenty twelve kind of that epitome
of how wild things got for you?

563
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.880
Well, like I said, some
years you do get knocks and howls.

564
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.360
I really get into recording audio,
and I've had some audio. We do

565
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.639
think a long duration recorders, but
those out still record thirty days for nine

566
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.920
or ten hours a night on the
set of batteries that we've got set up.

567
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.159
So I've done some audio. Plus
I had a class A sighting in

568
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:07.079
the Land between the Lakes in twenty
nineteen Charlie Raymond had a big bro expedition

569
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:13.000
in Land between the Lakes and I
was actually able to get a catch one,

570
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.320
or not catch one, but get
to watch one for very few seconds.

571
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:23.599
But it was definitely a big oh
and it took a long time to

572
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:30.480
get that Class A listeners may know
that Land between the Lakes usually comes up

573
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.760
when people are talking about dog Man, but there's also bigfoot reported in that

574
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.599
area and in Kentucky, correct,
Larry, Absolutely, yeah, we were

575
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.079
only it's the land between Kentucky and
Barkley Lake. Sure, it's forested areas,

576
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.440
it's protected areas, and yeah,
there's a lot of dog band There

577
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.480
was the ledged monster that killed the
people that know what's used to find a

578
00:43:54.480 --> 00:44:00.559
lot of evidence about now that it
was rumors that went around. We went

579
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.800
there two years and we had the
first year we had a little bit of

580
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.320
activity. The second year we had
quite a bit of activity with knocks and

581
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.800
a lot of knocks in that area. And then the night I saw we

582
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.559
had split the group up. There
was an intersection of two forest roads for

583
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:23.440
service roads, and we decided myself
another guy stayed at the crossroads of the

584
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:29.039
roads, and then we split up
in four different groups. One went north,

585
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.079
south, east, and west and
went down and when we had timed

586
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:37.199
we were going to do time knocks
between every fifteen minutes. The group was

587
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.599
going to do knocks. After the
second group, we had knocks right across

588
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.280
the road from me and the other
gentlemen and they were closed. So I

589
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:52.239
walked over to the road and the
main intersection and was therming down where the

590
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.639
knocks are coming at, and I
had to look down the road going to

591
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.760
the south, and we had two
girls down there. They were down about

592
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:07.360
one hundred and fifty two hundred yards
down the road, and I noticed they

593
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.880
turned on their white light, which
spoop me open. There was a lot

594
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.519
of activity going on. We were
all we had the hair on their necks

595
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.079
that said drum coming up. We
were kicking in and it was just there

596
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.760
was a lot of activity going on. And they turned their white lights.

597
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.199
When they did, it illuminated up
the road and the big foot across the

598
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.440
road about halfway between me and them, went across the road and it was

599
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:37.079
just it was a huge and fast
and it was I was just very lucky

600
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.039
that they had illuminated with white light
right. It actually shown and it came

601
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.559
through there and it was pretty pretty
amazing. We reenacted it a couple of

602
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:52.440
times. I think Charlie has my
interview on his YouTube with the Kentucky bick

603
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.519
Hood Research. Awesomely, Yeah,
very good. I'll have to definitely check

604
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.559
that out. So you you saw
the bigfoot cross the road illuminated by white

605
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.440
light? Correct by white light?
Yes, thinking back to that that time,

606
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.519
were you able to see things pretty
clear? Did you actually did you

607
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:15.840
see anything about its face or what
are some details maybe you remember about it?

608
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.760
The just the broad broadness of its
shoulders, the length of its arms,

609
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.719
and the way it walked. It
was hunched over, I won't say

610
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.559
walk. It was moving pretty quick. It crossed a twenty five foot area

611
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.440
in about three steps. Wow,
and extremely fast. I didn't see the

612
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:38.519
face, facial details, and but
there's no doubt my mind what I saw.

613
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.559
It's the only thing it could have
been. It was just yeah,

614
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:49.079
this is the size of it and
the quickness it moved and quiet. I

615
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.280
think what happened when they turned on
the white light. It had been probably

616
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.800
in that area where we heard the
Knox. It came out of that area,

617
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.719
it came across and I think we
spooked it. When the white lights

618
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.159
turned they were actually illuminating the ground. They had found what they thought was

619
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.199
a track there, and we're looking
at it with the white light. They

620
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.599
couldn't see if they good with their
red lights that we use at night on

621
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.039
hikes, and I was actually a
good glimpse of it. Good look at

622
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.320
it. That is incredible. Do
you you know, over the years,

623
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.920
when you're going on different expeditions,
do you ever encounter anything that is weird

624
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:30.440
but definitely not Bigfoot? Do you
ever run across the pass of any other

625
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:36.800
could be cryptids or other weird things
in the woods? Orbs? Really,

626
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.000
we had a lot of orbs,
especially in land between the lakes. We

627
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.119
were actually watching one of the night
that we saw the Bigfoot. There was

628
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.039
a red one up in the trees
where we were watching, and people encountered

629
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:53.159
them the entire expedition down there.
Both years we had orbs. That's about

630
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.639
the only other thing I've really we
had actually an orb go near There's a

631
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.039
lot of cemeteries in the land between
the lakes, old family plots and stuff,

632
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.000
and had some one of the groups, a really good researcher was there

633
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.960
investigator and had them sold, so
it was Yeah, it was just a

634
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.800
lot of orbs. We get them
just about everywhere we go. It seems

635
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.440
you had mentioned when you're talking about
Land between the Lakes. I believe you

636
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:27.000
said that it was the ledged monster. Is that correct? But what now?

637
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.400
You had said that there were reports
of some kind of monster beside the

638
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.719
dog man. Yeah, they weren't
sure it was a dog ban or big

639
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.400
foot or whatever. Where there was
a group of campers killed. Oh,

640
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.800
yes, okay, okay, yep, that old legend. I think you've

641
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:46.719
probably heard the infamous legend. I
believe from the nineteen eighties of the campground.

642
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:52.000
It was almost pretty much a massacre
in a way. So there were

643
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.360
bodies in the trees and everything.
But now no one would be able to

644
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:00.719
find any evidence with the police department
exactly things exactly. That's a tricky thing

645
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.119
about that, And I know that
that is opening up a can of worms

646
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.960
with some listeners, and I may
get some emails, which I welcome.

647
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.199
The dog man community is very passionate
and they're doing some great research down there

648
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.320
for sure. Are you still actively
going on a Bigfoot expeditions, Larry,

649
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.400
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, I've got a couple more

650
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.639
coming up. And actually I'm going
to be hosting a bfrorow West Virginia expedition

651
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.800
next September fourteenth to seventeenth. You
know, I'll have it here. I

652
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.679
can't give the location. There'll be
in a great spot and that's open for

653
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:38.000
registration now. I'm vfro dot net
on our site England and the talk and

654
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.519
then we select people that want to
do it, and then I'll interview them.

655
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.360
We've already got a lot of presentation
people signed up. We got emails

656
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.360
Monaga Hala and Charles Kimberg going to
brew presenters at night. It looks like

657
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:58.039
we're getting it together. I'm getting
a lot of inquiries already, are selected

658
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.000
about six people. I didn't know
that on an expedition. That's pretty cool.

659
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:06.400
Yeah, talks to you and make
sure we're not getting people in that

660
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.800
are going to hoax and do crazy, to do things that just start in

661
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:15.079
the interest of the expedition. I
like that. Yeah. They send their

662
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.000
stuff into Caroline Curtis, the secretary
of the BFR own and then she gets

663
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.960
it back out to the organizer and
then we make a phone call and a

664
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.360
lot of the repeaters we don't call
back our sure the people that are repeaters,

665
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.199
it's the newb's. They usually call
up and really want to make sure

666
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.079
that they know what they're getting into. And there is a charge involved that

667
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.880
we have to get insurance and permit
exactly. So we try to keep it

668
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:44.639
as reasonable as we can, but
we have expenses with scouting trips and everything.

669
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.480
The last few minutes that we have, Larry, I've got one more

670
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.440
question for you. You've gone on
so many different expeditions, and pretend you're

671
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:59.239
speaking to someone maybe a listener who
wants to go look for bigfoot, have

672
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:04.440
their first expert addition, what how
do they need to be prepared? What

673
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.400
things would you recommend? There's so
many different ways to approach it. You

674
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.559
can go in come to you,
you can height, night hike and trail.

675
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.960
I think sure you're a fairly good
condition, which I need to get

676
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.400
myself back in shape to make sure
you're you know, good shoes, don't.

677
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.800
I highly encourage people not to do
it alone. Always have so that's

678
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:30.280
people get lost and you can have
always have an audio recorder. Just have

679
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.719
an open mind. Remember not everything
it happens in the woods, Not every

680
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.320
noise is a big foot, the
different night sounds, what a barred owl

681
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.920
sounds, you know what a codey
sounds like. And Cody's have got so

682
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.039
many different sounds they can make look
listen for knocks and howls and just say,

683
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.280
find a friend that's interested in it, get it and it'll get if

684
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.880
you go out and start having activity
and try to pick out an area that

685
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.559
there's it's active. You can go
on the BFRO site. We break it

686
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.360
down by a state and county where
you're at. I pick out an area

687
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.679
that's near you and just go in
and hit some of the trails up.

688
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.239
Most of the state parks and state
forests are really open to it, and

689
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.880
there seems to be activity just about
every national forest, especially in the East

690
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.639
Coast or we have activity in sightings. But you can start out with just

691
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.239
a red head lamp and walkie talkies
and things, and you can get into

692
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:30.760
where you'll get addicted and you let
it. Buy a thousand dollars formal limitature

693
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:36.760
thermal limits have gotten cheaper over the
last few years and just a real good

694
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.119
affordable unit. Even if you don't
see a bigfoot, it is still a

695
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.920
really fun camping trip that you're getting
out in nature, and we all could

696
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:46.840
use a lot more of that.
Yes, that's ninety and a half percent

697
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.079
of it. Just get it out
in nature and meeting old friends. That's

698
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.599
a great thing. On these expeditions. We only get together some of us

699
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:58.000
two or three times a year,
and we get together and talk about our

700
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.199
stories and our research, and we
tried new things just to you know,

701
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.679
try to make it easier for us. That The last exhibition I was at

702
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:12.320
in Kentucky, this hall, we
actually had the activity right in base camp.

703
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.639
Wow. During a presentation, Naga
Hala was playing some audio and we

704
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.400
had knocks and whoops and eyes shine
right in the right in base camp.

705
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:30.760
Yes, during the presentation and the
second Larry, I will tell here because

706
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:36.000
it's an active research area, but
it's been it's crazy there. We were

707
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.599
doing them at eleven o'clock in the
morning one day and he was doing his

708
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:44.280
audio presentation and we had whoops and
knocks over the hill right behind us from

709
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.119
where we were doing it. Oh. Wow, that is incredible. What

710
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.280
an experience that must have been.
Larry, thank you so much for hanging

711
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.599
out and sharing your experience with Bigfoot. Over the years, this has been

712
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.239
very informational and thank you, oh, thank you. Before you go.

713
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.159
I always like to give the guest
a chance. Is there any things that

714
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.280
people can do to follow up with
what you're doing or would the best thing

715
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.679
be to keep an eye on the
BFRO website. What do you think?

716
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.719
Just keep an eye on the BFRO
website. I don't have a blog or

717
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:22.760
anything. Keep up with the BFR
website. We've been quiet and West virginulately

718
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.840
with reports, so I haven't had
a lot to do, but they seem

719
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.079
to come in big groups, so
hopefully we'll coming out there real soon and

720
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.880
you can keep up with, like
I said, the BFRO website and looking

721
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.599
at the reports and just checking with
the newest ones coming in. Fantastic.

722
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.199
Thanks so much for coming on,
Larry, I have a good day.

723
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:49.840
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If you've had a bigfoot encounter related
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730
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please reach out to me at Bigfoot
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00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.360
something from their plane, Retired law
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733
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.199
for bigfoot encounters. Individuals that have
had bigfoot encounters on their family property through

734
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multiple years and generations. Individuals who've
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state of Tennessee, North Carolina,
Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, or

736
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Mississippi. Individuals who've had a face
to face encounter in the state of Oklahoma

737
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or Arkansas in the Washita National Forest. Individuals who've had a face to face

738
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:59.519
encounter on Prince of Wales Island or
surrounding area in southeast Alaska. Any encounter

739
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.760
in Frank County, Texas. Hunters
that have never shared what they saw in

740
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:07.800
the woods due to fear of ridicule. Individuals that have had a bigfoot tried

741
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.800
to enter your house in the ho
Nabi, Oklahoma area. Any encounters that

742
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:15.400
happen within a twenty mile radius of
Northfield, Massachusetts and twenty five mile radius

743
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:21.599
of Great Barrington, Massachusetts. Encounters
in the Enchanted Circle, encounters in the

744
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.400
Yosemite National Park area, or any
national park for that matter. Individuals that

745
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.000
have lived a long life don't care
what people think about them now and want

746
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:35.199
to share what happened to them fifty
to sixty years ago. I'm your guy

747
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.159
to share your story. Individuals that
live in remote wooded property and feel like

748
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.480
they're under attack by Bigfoot after clearing
their land. And lastly, any Bigfoot

749
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encounters where the individuals saw what seemed
to be an orangutan, please reach out

750
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.480
to me a Bigfoot Society at gmail
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751
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:57.559
you've experienced, and for those where
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