Class A LBL Bigfoot Encounter / Belly Crawl Bigfoot of Washington

0:02 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this episode, I talked to two BFRORO researchers, Scott Taylor and Larry Sidwell, about their experiences researching Bigfoot in Washington, West Virginia, and Kentucky. If you have experienced something similar to what these two have, or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same areas, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key too unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. All right, Bigfoot Society, we have mister Scott Taylor with us today. Scott, how's it going. It's going really good, this fine ball day awesome. Yeah, it's a beautiful one out here in Iowa, for sure, and I'm sure it's even more beautiful out there in the Pacific Northwest.

0:47 But let's get down to it. I wanted to talk to a BFRO investigator, and so I did a little dig in the citing reports on the website and your name comes up a lot for Washington. You're all over the place, So Scott, can you tell us a little background about yourself and how you got into the whole bigfoot thing and all that good stuff. Okay, I've been a lifelong hunter and fisherman and all that, and been out in the woods a lot, and then totally a bbivalent about the subject of bigfoots. I had seen the Patterson Gimlin film when I was a kid and all that, watched the TV shows In Search of with Lyndard d moy and all that, so there was a little bit of an interest there. But two thousand and five, I was deer hunting only about ten miles west of where I currently live and had an encounter there. And that just turns your world upside down as soon as you have an encounter, because this so called myth is suddenly real and everything you thought you knew about the world is different.

1:52 So my coping mechanism was not only to shoot my mouth off a lot at work about it. It was also to start learning everything I could. So I was digging into books on the internet, looking at the stories and just trying to learn everything I could. And then I saw the DFROL website had expeditions that you could you could sign up for and go and this will be fun. So I signed up for an expedition the summer of two thousand and six and had a great time. I met some awesome friends, got to meet Bob Gimmelin, got to listen to his whole story. It seemed three hours when he told the whole thing, all the details, details you'll never read anywhere, and just really enjoy it. And made like I said, made a lot of friends. And we started networking and started meeting up and doing a little bit of squatching and learning from each other. And I was asked to be an investigator because of the interest I showed, and so I said, sure, I'll do that, and so I got signed up for it, and they taught me the ropes of how to do an investigation and use the VFR was a huge database and there's around seventy five thousand reports in there right now. Wow. And I just started doing reports about two a month. I've since slowed down in life. Life changes, work responsibilities change.

3:19 COVID came along. We had I took an early layoff, basically in an early retirement, but it was a layoff from Boeing, and I moved out to our place which is out in the forest. I've got a clear cut to the west, I got woods, to the north woods, to the east woods, to the south, nearest neighbors a quarter mile away. I thought, Okay, I want to live out here where they live. But anyway, I'm backing up to doing reports and that kind of thing. I was just looking at my log book. I'm up to almost one hundred and ninety reports that have followed up on Wow. A lot of them, maybe half, turned out to be absolutely nothing. The people won't get back to you. You call them up, they won't return your calls. Just nothing there. But there's a good percentage of them that are really solid eyeball sightings what we call class bees, where you hear wood knocks and you might hear vocalizations and rock clacking and tree breaking and that kind of thing. And then there's the real good nuggets are the reports where there's habituation going on, where these people live out in the forest or out in a rural area.

4:29 They've got forests around them, and they realize that something's going on with something that's sharing their property with them. Tools might get moved around, if they're left out, might disappear and find them out on a trail somewhere. Dogs get beat up, have problems. Funny things like there might be stick structures found on the property. Either there might be actual sightings, glyfts, rock patterns left on their back porch or something like that. Where do these five rocks come from? By rock? Hey, there's five people in the family. They're acknowledging that. Oh, that kind of thing. Really, And it's also a journey. When I started out, you've got this notion, this preconceived idea that you're dealing with a great, big wood ape, something that is just like a super elusive primate that's out there, and which makes the whole problem easy to wrap your head around. But then as you go along and you learn and you learn, and you have experiences, you compare notes with other investigators, You go on a bunch of expeditions and compare notes with a lot of other people. Plus the experiences you have following up on reports, you find out there's more to it, a lot more to it.

5:43 They're not just a dumb wood ape. They're smart. They have their own norms things that they do everywhere. Some groups will do more wood knocking in some areas, and other groups will do more whoops and haulers. And it just depends on that local family or clan in the region, but they all do similar things. You'll have your vocalization, you'll have your wood knocking, you'll have your tree breaking, you'll have rock clacking, you'll have glyphs, you'll have stick structures, you'll have subtle signs that they're around. But it's the same everywhere, all the way from Florida to Alaska, and from southern California all the way up to Maine. All over they're doing similar kinds of things. That is fascinating. I'm glad you answered my question without me asking it, which is nice. The whole what do you think Bigfoot is?

6:38 And that's a very interesting explanation, is very cool, But I'm curious. I would assume you've been on tons of expeditions right all over the place, going out with the BFRO. You're out there in the Pacific Northwest. Has there been a time where you've been like, I'm in too deep, this is too crazy, or I don't want to be here right now because of what's happening. Has there been that level? Not for me personally, okay, but I do see that in other people. Okay, when you start down this journey, of learning this, it will reach a point where some people cannot go further. And that's where we get into what everybody calls woo wu stuff. Okay talking, you're talking early on the idea of eye glow was woo sure, and people would say, people with PhDs would say that's impossible, but they don't didn't understand what was actually happening there because they're not out in the field. When you got people out in the field and they're seeing eye glow and two big eyes that are eight feet up peeking out from behind a tree, it's really happening. I don't care that the PhD says it's impossible. It's really happening. And other things like cloaking, being able to just look out, can't see them until they move. When they move, you can see them on the movie Predator, right, yeah, exactly, yeah, And they can do that and people have gotten videos of that. I've personally seen it myself, so I know that they do it.

8:13 The great video that Barb Shoot got on our channel squatching with Barb or Bob and Gabby. Yeah, Barbon, Gabby, that's your dog passed on. But anyway, excellent cloak or video they do this stuff. But then there's people to say that's impossible. I can't wrap my head around that, And that's okay, But that's where you're gonna stop. You're not gonna keep learning because they've got a lot to teach us. If we'll listen. As soon as we're done listening, then we're done. You're not going to progress any further. But then it can take you down a rabbit hole that is is pretty mind blowing, and you find out there's a different things out of there besides just our big forest friends. You've actually experienced you've seen cloaking done by a bigfoot in the field. You talking about how that was or what you experienced. The first time, me and two friends a Gallon her son had gone out to explore this this area that's south of Tacoma, Washington, about point five miles. It's an area that was set aside formerly logging land that it was set aside to be a state park and since it's been developed, but old logging roads and we were just walking out on the logging roads, just walking around, and that there had been a number of really good sightings around the area. Report I'd follow it up on just a half a mile away where they were having things happen real regularly every week. Something was going on, and we're just walking out on our way back to the truck,

9:46 and we heard a big something moving from our right to our left, and it walked up across the road right in front of us. But it was all blurry and shimmery. The thing was huge. And then as it walked off the left side of the roads through the trees, we could see the trees moving and then it seemed to stop about fifty yards in, completely out of sight, and this beautiful, big, loud whistle came to us. And so the guy I was with, she is really good at whistling. I'm not so good at She is really good at whistling. And they whistled back and forth that little exchange for about four times, and then we just heard it walk away. Got bored with us. It walked away, definitely three of us. Okay, I was going to I was going to ask that all three members of the party saw that the shimmering as it moved.

10:35 Yeah, that was all. What is that? So? Yeah? Is that something that you hear a lot come and come up in reports for the areas out there? No no, okay, So the general public that turns in reports have it's new to them. The whole conceptor the bigfoot is new to them. They would never think to tie those things together. As a matter of fact, they would never even notice that something like that had happened. More than likely we don't. I have never seen reports come in to talk about the WU stuff, because it's just that's so far down the spectrum of understanding for the general public that it's just not associated with it.

11:22 It's more with the ghost hunters, which would pick up on and a lot of times when I watch some of the TV shows about the ghost hunting people, I'm going, hey, they're dealing with a bigfoot and they don't know it. But that's that's interesting. Yeah, okay, that's very interesting that I never thought that way, But yeah, totally in certain areas that that could be the case. That's wild to think about. Do you think that bigfoot cloaking would fall in the field of what some consider wo My personal opinion is that it's going to be mainstream, and it already is starting to become that as more and more people experience it, learn that it happens, and once you learn that it happens, you learn to watch out for it.

12:03 And like I said, the idea of eye glow that was considered wo at one time, and it's not. Now every experienced bigfooter knows watch out for iglow at night when you're doing your night walks, because that's the first thing you're going to see. Now, that kind of thing and other things don't gradually become mainstream. They call that stuff paranormal. Paranormal just is normal. We don't understand exactly, we don't know the mechanism that it's happening with. But if you just think back to a little mental exercise, Say you took somebody from the year fifteen hundred and you took them to Walmart and you walk up to the front door. Not only are the cars and everything driving around going to freak them out, but you walk up to the door and the door just magically opens to them, magically opens. Now, we today, because we understand the mechanisms, we know there's a little radar thing up there and it detects the presence of a person and it opens up. But to them that would be sorcery, absolutely paranormal. They wouldn't get it. There's a lot out there as humans. As modern as we think we are, we still don't understand. There is so many parts of the spectrum that we can't or we can't see with the type of technological instruments we have right now, who knows what's actually out there? And that could be all over the place, not just bigfoot, could be other stuff too. But has there been a time when you've been out in the field where you've been able to see, get a really good look at, like a face to face encounter,

13:37 anything like that. The one where I was that I could have done that was at night, okay, and he was only three feet away, three feet away, three feet away. Yeah, Yeah, he wanted to grab me. He could have grabbed me. And it was fun. They were having fun with us. We had a group that was night walking. We went out to the end of the road. We all sat down, summertime, ten thirty eleven o'clock. It was still light to the northwest. Night vision was fully formed. We could see pretty good, and we were approached from three different directions. Oh man, And they weren't being they weren't being stealthy about it. They were just stomping. They came down to watch us so woo's watching? Who who's observing? Anyway, this one had crossed the road and was lying in the grass, and half of the group got so scared because of this that they wanted to be taken out. And so I'm going, cheek, you came all this way. You're here for people, and this is what you're here for. And now they're here, let's make lemons lemonade out of lemons. So I said, okay, here's the plan. Half the group stays and observes what they do. When I walk out with basically the children and their mom, and walking up the road, it had crossed belly crawled across the road. Somebody saw it. Nobody was listening to that young man, but they I saw it walk right up, even with it on my side of the road, and it gets up and it got up on all fours and it's like having a something the size of

15:09 a cow, that's how big they are. Got up and we all I was startled. I turned around like I was going to hit it with my walking stick. The woman and her kids were screaming. Anyway, it just turned and dove off the side of the hill, down the hill, so it didn't do anything. Other than scared the heck out of us. Yeah, and to me, that was one of the most fun encounters I've ever had. But other sightings have been a little more of a distance. I saw a little one look like a four foot tall cousin it walking across the basically running across the road in front of it was only about fifty yards in front of the vehicle that was pre dash camera days. Ran across the road coming back same day, coming back, getting ready to turn into the clearing where we had our main base camp. A great, big one, full adult walks across the road about two hundred yards down the road in front of us, and they are so fast. I had my camera out, I had it on, I had my finger on the button, and he walks out. My passenger said, there he is, But my at tension was already on making my turn. Yeah. So by the time I look up to where it was and got my finger to push the button, who's already gone. Oh man, I didn't get him, but on that expedition several other people did. Because you could go to that spot where where we were, put your camera up, walk you know, face it down the road and about the same time every evening he crossed the road right there. That's

16:40 crazy a couple of hundred yards away. Wow, that's like repeatable behavior. That's wild man. Yeah, I love it. They have fun with us. Yeah, that's one thing about a BFRO expedition. You create an enticing, fun atmosphere. You have not only do you have the guys there, but you have a them in there. You have kids there. Kids are welcome. One expedition, we had kids riding around on bikes and talking on the radios and have a great time. It's a fun kind of a deal where you don't have to say to the kids, sh wyat, you're going to scare the Bigfoot. You want them to notice that you're there and everybody's thinking about them. So we're putting out this bigfoot vibe and at least I think so, and they're picking up on that and they're going, we got to go see what's going on with these people. And we had one time everybody's sitting around a campfire and adults have been doing whoops and that kind of thing. Get nothing. In response, we said, hey, kids, do a whoop. So all the kids one, two, three older kids went whoop and we got an instant response. Really they were. Yeah, they were keyed in on those kids. And so because of the atmosphere that you create, fun, non threatening, interesting singing, lapping, joking, having a good time, but also being serious about it, but not so serious that you look like you're hunting. Sure, eighty five percent of the time, my guess is you'll have something happen, and that's pretty regular.

18:15 We had one this summer where it was an expedition where not a lot happened, but we did have one good sighting. And also when the whole group was at the main base area having a meeting, when decided he was going to leave some footprints where we could find him. Wow, and left a great, big one pose everything for some people to cast. All so they'll they'll furtively play around with you if they don't even if they don't want to get too involved with what's going on, they'll at least let you know they're around. Roughly how many different expeditions you think you've been involved with over the years, probably fifteen. Wow. Let's pretend you have someone they're coming out on the expedition, it's their first time. How would you like that person to be prepared to be able to handle themselves in a big fit expedition.

19:11 What kind of stuff do they need? Okay, all you really need? You don't need a lot. You need proper clothing, footwear, You need proper camping gear because you're going to have your own tent and your sleeping bag and all that kind of thing. Just the regular camera I prefer from your standard digital camera over a cell phone. The reason I don't prefer the cell phone, and that's just me, though, is because it leaves as part of the metadata latitude and longitude. It's a good point and if you don't know how to scrub that off of it, other people can go figure out exactly where you were. So I shy away from that, especially when I'm dealing with a habituation site. I don't want people to know where that is.

19:55 Getting back to your question, headlamp that has read, a good walk in stick, something you can use for scale when you take pictures. The most frustrating thing for an investigator is to have somebody send them a picture of what looks like a really nice footprint and you can't tell how big it is. But not all big footprints are big. They have babies, little tiny peat all the way up twenty one two inches, having something for scale, they'll need that. And then other than that, a pack with your basic things that you need in it, a compass water. If they want to bring something to make castings with, Hydrocal is better. Don't bring plaster of Paris. That does not really work that well. It's not structurally strong enough, in my opinion. Hydrocal which you get a lot of building supplies, especially building supplies, a deal with masonry. You can get that. Bring that along. I used to carry it in my pack and my back start to hurt me. That stuff steavy. I keep it in a tote.

20:56 It can't. If we find something, I'll go get it. But that kind of thing, and then the other thing is being emotionally ready to deal with the subject. Some people aren't there. We always have a talk first night of what to expect, so people are crimed for it. We don't tell them about the wu stuff That will sometimes turn people off because they're not ready for that. But we tell them if you have some weird things happening, I don't care how weird it is, come populous. And usually there's an expedition staff member there who understands that stuff and can maybe cleared up for them, but we don't want to pre prime them to be seeing cloak bigfoots everywhere. We just want them to just experience what happens out there. Most activity is in the dark at night. When I do night walks, I insist on the light none, not even the red light, the light light, flashlight with you, or the headlamp with you. But it's for emergencies.

22:04 Somebody gets hurt, trips over something, we need to deal with, a medical emergency. Yeah, turn on the headlights. If something happened, were to happen that was people were feeling very threatened. Okay, you can hit the white lights. It'll stop, they'll go away. You can leave and diffuse the situation. You're there to have an experience no lights after fifteen to twenty minutes in the dark, on no moonlight, you can see everybody. You can see what's on the road, you can see where the rocks are. People's night vision is a lot better than most people realize because they never go do it. To me, one of the most fun and interesting things is seeing the scenes that you see in the dark. You're not just seeing black. You're seeing things, but it's from a perspective that humans generally don't get to see and it's beautiful. Not only that, but that's when they're out. So if you want to have the highest chance of having an encounter, that's when you do that. And let the people in the group split apart a little bit, some ahead, some behind sometimes want to come out walk between the groups, following the first group the follow along to the side. There was one time where the group had seen went on a thermal and walked just what kept going and walked up to where that was. Then they saw two of them off about fifty yards away, and so they all

23:37 just stopped and the girls started singing a song and swaying back and forth. Okay, and the guys with the the people with the thermals were watching them, and the sasquatches were swaying back and forth with the girls as they were singing the song. And that's not uncommon to have that thing. I've even heard reports where there's been audio captured where it's like it almost sounds like singing. Oh yeah, they sing. Have you experienced that you yourself. I have heard recordings of a good friend of mine did of them singing basically a lullaby to an infant m that's kind of what it sounded like. It sounded like a or even almost like an old it's hard like an old hymn.

24:27 It's just very weird. I don't know. And they love music. They love music. That's a good technique for getting them to come in and understand that the group that they're dealing with is friendly, is not a threat. Play music. Now, if you go out there and you play heavy metal, headbaky music, they're not going to have anything to do with you. But if you play something that is peaceful and sweet sounding and soothing, they got to come listen. And if you do the same thing every night after night, the longer you do it, the more they'll come. Do you think there's any talking about call blasting? Have you ever heard of people using like a baby cry? Just try? Do you find that effective or it just leads to weird stuff? Mixed results? Mixed results. We've had everything from nothing happening to so much going on that everybody wished they'd never tried it.

25:26 That's what I hear a lot. Yeah, they have in the past come in very aggressively because they're not sure if it's one of their kids or one of our kids, because when they're infants, you can't tell the difference. Have you ever experienced times where things have started to get more aggressive or not or hopefully not. I don't know how you look at it, but no, not really, okay, good most of the time, it's respectful on both sides. You see it on some of the TV shows. There's a bigfoot over there, run at it. Yeah, you're nuts. Now you need some help with what you're supposed to do. He's supposed to stand there, film it, thermal it collect all the data you can. But if you run at it, it's going to go away. It's not going to stick around and wait for you to catch up. Do so, no bluff charging, is what you're saying. No, people have had those experiences.

26:23 Witnesses have had those experiences. For instance, a guy who say hunting, and he's checking out a draw that he's never hunted before, and it's pretty rough and remote to get into, and he starts going up in there and he gets the HEVGB vibe maybe I shouldn't be here, but he presses on through that. Most people take that tint and leave, but he presses on through that and he's going in an area where their family is, so they're going to kick him out and he's going to get screened at. He's going to get rocks thrown at him. One thing they like to do is grab a big tree limit to snap it off and it makes a lot of noise. It's very startling. They're just trying to get him to turn around and leave. There are people who have taken that hint started leaving and it basically escorts them out. They think they're being chased. They think they're running for their lives. They think that if they stop, they're going to get grabbed and killed. But no, they're just being hurted out. One fellow I knew of that. He was running away and he tripped and fell and he expected to be killed. Wow. And all that did is it stopped and waited for him to get up. That's weird. He took off running, it just kept up with him. They are so incredibly fast. If they want to catch you, you're done, man, They will catch you.

27:45 There is no human that can run as fast as what they can. Their intent is not to hurt you, Their intent is to make you leave. Take the hint. That is very interesting. Oh, man Scott. This has been a awesome conversation and thank you so much for coming on. Crazy to think we're already at the end of the time, but I could see maybe sometime in the future, if you're up for it, maybe we'll have a follow up interview because it sounds like you got stories on stories and some good advice. But is there a way that people can keep up to what you're doing or just keep an eye on the BFO or what do you say? I would say, just keep an eye on the BFRO website look for reports recently added. Sure not all of them that we do get published.

28:30 Some of them the witness doesn't want it published. Others are just It could be anything, but that would be the best way to do it. I'm going to be speaking this year at the Sasquatch Summit, Ocean Shores, Washington, Okay. That's a November eighteenth and nineteenth. I believe that's usually a really good event, a lot of fun people can come to that. I've spoken other places, libraries and Boy Scout troops and that kind of thing, but I don't have a web side of my own. I prefer to let my work stand on the quality of the reports that we do. I love it. Thank you for coming on swer Okay, you're very welcome.

29:11 Thanks for coming back to another Bigfoot Society episode. This time we have Larry Sidwell from West Virginia. How's it going, Larry? Very good? How are you? I'm doing great, having a great Central Iowa day, nice and windy, but the sun's out and loving it. How's it over there in West Virginia? It's a warm, sunny and wendy also gotta love it. These are just now starting in the peak around here, so it's really nice. I'm having you on today, Larry, because I got this crazy idea that it would be cool to chat with a few BFRO investigators. So I did some digging through the reports on BFRO dot net. And the cool thing about that website is tells who the scare was that was involved with the case. Reached out to a few You were nice enough to agree to coming on the podcast, and this is your first time chatting on a podcast, right, yes it is. I'm excited. That's awesome. The other cool thing about the BFIRO is that they have a little write up about the investigator.

30:18 I'm seeing you've gone, I would say at least twenty five expeditions over the years, going back through twenty twelve. It's pretty impressive. Oh, thank you. And I've got a few more. I've got to add on it. We just did a pleasant hill lake thing with Bat money Maker in Ohio. Oh yeah, we're grown Drone White. And I just got back from the Kentucky Bigot the KBROS expedition and so and I'm leave two weeks from going to East Tennessee. And Lorie Wade has a expedition in East Tennessee. She always does two or three a year, so got more to do. Wow, that's amazing. You are getting all over the place. I love that. I just actually talked to a gentleman from East Tennessee. He had some pretty wild stories. He had some folklore tales, and he was talking about some sightings his family had over the years of Bigfoot type creatures. And it just seems like that Eastern Tennessee area there's some wild stuff up in that hills for sure. Yeah, I'm anxious to get down there. I've been in North Georgia and western North Carolina, but I've not done the Eastern Tennessee yet, so this will be interesting. I guess it's a Cherokee National Forces of the Beast. Okay, Larry, let's start with Let's start with the beginning. What was it that first got you into the big footing thing?

31:41 What was it that first got your interest? I did when it was growing up. I saw the old Patterson Gimblin film in my hometown theater on one Saturday afternoon, and I saw it and I was a believer at that point. But then years ago, you're working, going through school, and everything got away from it. Then I saw the bfro's website and saw that they had an expedition coming up in Kentucky, and I signed up for that one, and it had to be postponed for some reason I can remember then. And I ended up transferring to the to the West Virginia expedition and that was in twenty twelve and went and we had tons of activity on that on that expedition. The first night we were on the trail, I was the guy that was a guy named Tyler Bowns who was who is big Northwest Northwestern.

32:37 I don't know if you know I have heard the name. Yes, yeah, he was our leader. One group. We had a home run knock that first night, and that was I was sold. At that point. There was no way it was anything other than something hitting it. It was like the biggest four by four in the woods hitting a big oak tree. Wow. Then we went out and some other groups had a Class A on a thermally. It was the only firmal we had that didn't record. I wasn't with the friends were They watched this thing for about ten or fifteen minutes. It was tree peaking, then their usual checking us out the behavior. Then the last night we came back and we did some call blasting with Managa Hala down in down this road where we were at down in the house the Blackwater River, and that's where our campsite was, wh It's Camp. Some call blasting. Nothing really happened. When we went back to camp about two point thirty, we all went to bed and I could not go to sleep in the tent. I was like my bones were aching. We'd hiked so much, and a couple I think it was at least two across the river behind my tent. My tent was supposed to. The river came up into our campsite and pushed on the top of my tent. I saw the hand really down. Yes, this was probably three thirty thirty in the morning.

33:54 Everybody else was asleep and snoring. I think I was probably the only person awakened in camp. And they messed around their camp for a while, picking up things, moving, rubbing on stuff, and I was scared to death. I was just literally terrified, and to the point where I picked up my key five. My truck was run up the hill from me and was ready to hit the emergency held arm if you got crazy. But they moved on the big clas did. There was some chatter, weird chatter going on, some grunts, and the next morning I got up and talked to the other people there. There was three other campers there with other tent sites, i should say, and we ended up going down to the river and found a partial print down where they had crossed the river in the side of the side of the bank, and so that was exciting. It was the twenty twelve West Virginia expedition. That was my first and at the time I was living the outer backs of North Carolina, so it was hard for me to get back and forth. It was a long haul, so I ended up going on a couple of expeditions a year there and we went back to the same area in two thousand. Team we had some activity that year that wasn't as much. And some of these expeditions you'll have tons of activity, and others you won't have hardly any. It just sometimes they don't want to play.

35:12 So your first that's incredible. Your first bigfoot expedition in twenty twelve, you had a bigfoot come to your tent and press down on the tent. I don't know how it can get much better than that that. I wouldn't have been able to get back to sleep myself. I didn't go back to sleep until then. The mother nature was calling and I was too scared to even go outside. It was scary. And the next morning finally we had some daylight and everybody else got up and I told them what happened, and they were like, wow. We would beard things across the river from us, a couple of brown figures that we couldn't really pinpoint what they were. And this is days before any of us had I didn't have a thermal imager.

35:52 None of the group I was with had a thermal imager. Sure you get stuff just going on across one of the guys up the river. Something had gotten into his tent messing around. We didn't know somebody or whatever, So we end up moving his entire tent down to our area and u and stay in there. And the sad part is that area where we're camping they no longer love camping. It's in the little Monoga Hala Wildlife Preserve. Okay, I guess they have doing things they shouldn't do down in there, so they stopped camping along the river there. But it's an awesome place. Wow, that sounds incredible. I've talked to a few gentlemen from West Virgina. Now, I've talked to people like Joe Purdue, Dr Russ Jones. It just sounds like the area, like people don't realize how crazy for Bigfoot the West Virginia area is, even to the extent like it's almost, you know, as crazy as the Pacific Northwest. Do you have any thoughts regarding that?

36:51 Oh, yeah, it's it's really taken off round here. You just go around to some of the areas down around Marlinton an area and talk to people. Most of them are pretty open about it. They'll will tell you that they had these encounters numerous years suit their family and their grandfathers and talking about the wild Man of the woods or whatever what they call him or whatever. And Sutton is now doing a Bigfoot festival in June and this sits the second year this year, and it's amazing how it's grown. And we were the first year. We were on like a question to answer panel being a couple other big book guys here Charles Kimbroke from Virginia and Greg Virginia, and we were on stage for almost two hours. It was supposed to be on the like and everything, when these people were just asking questions and really and so Yeah, Russ Jones and Darren Pavarnic were the leaders of the first expedition, first and second expedition in West Virginia. I went on, Russ is a great guy. He is? It really seems like he is. Yeah, let's just so I don't forget it. You mentioned that you were able to go out to a high to do some work with Matt Moneymaker. Is there anything that you can share from how that experience went? Okay, Yeah, it was at pleasant Hill Lake Park in the Muskingham I can pronounce that right watershed district and they had a sighting and their primitive campground a year before.

38:17 So Louis andre Is, he's in charge of these, the Natalist and he does special events for the park, decided to set up a thing and he and Suzanne Faarinjech got together and they got this thing together. We get volunteers. There's twelve volunteers. We went out and what happened was we decided to do Bat wanted to do. This is like a project he'd been wanting to do for a long time using a thermal drone. And so a guy named Robert Evans, he lives in Saint Augustine, Florida. He has some real nice strone equipment and they got it all together, got him up here. We all were over there in the first of September and were there a week getting up. There was a lot of planning involved and it was a whole festival and was for the family and everything. They had a VFP dinner on Friday night, and during the VFP dinner we were able to fly the drone and in real time transmit the drone images back to a big screen TV wow so that the participants in the VFP dinner and Matt narrated and I was the radio man between Matt and Robert Evans. He was flying flying the drone pilot and we were able to We didn't see any big foots, but we you know, a lot of deer and stuff there. People were able to see the technology. Unfortunately at the time of here the tree canopy layer, it was hard to get down here. You could see down in some mirrors.

39:45 We had long inch woods and it was really a great thing at the technology. This thermal imager was six forty resolution. He could free it in, bring it out. We flew it. We flew five missions each night. We had five batteries, so we flew each five missions. The first night and the second night they had a town hall down at the park, had the big big screen set up there and the end of it after the after the town hall meeting where people were discussing their sightings in the area and all this it's mainly in the Mohican Forest, Mohican State Park area, okay. And this border is that there's a lake between the park and the pleasant Hill Lake Park the Mohican Park and the people were they did they talked about their sightings like in a town hall, like they did on finding big Foot, and so we flew it again that night and when things were a lot smoother the second night. We'd had some internet issues the first night and we worked all that out and the second night we were able to look. It was flawless. We did so much more stuff, We had a lot more gear. We actually had two bucks fighting, and Yeah, it came out really nice and it looks like we're going to do it again next year, the first weekend of October. We're going to repeat it. That money Maker will be coming back there. And it was a pleasure to get to work with Math for a week and get to really know him, and he is so passionate about the research that is fascinating. It sounds like there's there's probably

41:17 some plans in order to fine tune that in the future. I just just you know, you can have an audience seeing live looking for a big foot. That just that blows my mind. That makes for a very cool future to do with big footing. You could have multiple people watching and more people are going to notice things logically than just one person looking at the footage, and that's it could get really cool. Yeah, they were able to tell us where things were because we're looking at wow TV a phone size screen and or laptop, and we're not able to see the full projection, and they were telling us to go right, go left, and so we'd have the drone go right left. Then it was really amazing. That is awesome.

42:07 Yeah, Matt has some very interesting forward thinking ideas when it comes to utilizing technology and bigfoot research, and hopefully someday I'll be able to chat with them. Let's talk some more about your expeditions over the years, Larry. That first expedition, you had some really crazy things happen. Was it a thing where did things get even more wild over the years at different expeditions or was that twenty twelve kind of that epitome of how wild things got for you? Well, like I said, some years you do get knocks and howls. I really get into recording audio, and I've had some audio. We do think a long duration recorders, but those out still record thirty days for nine or ten hours a night on the set of batteries that we've got set up.

42:55 So I've done some audio. Plus I had a class A sighting in the Land between the Lakes in twenty nineteen Charlie Raymond had a big bro expedition in Land between the Lakes and I was actually able to get a catch one, or not catch one, but get to watch one for very few seconds. But it was definitely a big oh and it took a long time to get that Class A listeners may know that Land between the Lakes usually comes up when people are talking about dog Man, but there's also bigfoot reported in that area and in Kentucky, correct, Larry, Absolutely, yeah, we were only it's the land between Kentucky and Barkley Lake. Sure, it's forested areas, it's protected areas, and yeah, there's a lot of dog band There was the ledged monster that killed the people that know what's used to find a lot of evidence about now that it was rumors that went around. We went there two years and we had the first year we had a little bit of activity. The second year we had quite a bit of activity with knocks and a lot of knocks in that area. And then the night I saw we had split the group up. There was an intersection of two forest roads for service roads, and we decided myself another guy stayed at the crossroads of the roads, and then we split up in four different groups. One went north,

44:29 south, east, and west and went down and when we had timed we were going to do time knocks between every fifteen minutes. The group was going to do knocks. After the second group, we had knocks right across the road from me and the other gentlemen and they were closed. So I walked over to the road and the main intersection and was therming down where the knocks are coming at, and I had to look down the road going to the south, and we had two girls down there. They were down about one hundred and fifty two hundred yards down the road, and I noticed they turned on their white light, which spoop me open. There was a lot of activity going on. We were all we had the hair on their necks that said drum coming up. We were kicking in and it was just there was a lot of activity going on. And they turned their white lights.

45:21 When they did, it illuminated up the road and the big foot across the road about halfway between me and them, went across the road and it was just it was a huge and fast and it was I was just very lucky that they had illuminated with white light right. It actually shown and it came through there and it was pretty pretty amazing. We reenacted it a couple of times. I think Charlie has my interview on his YouTube with the Kentucky bick Hood Research. Awesomely, Yeah, very good. I'll have to definitely check that out. So you you saw the bigfoot cross the road illuminated by white light? Correct by white light? Yes, thinking back to that that time, were you able to see things pretty clear? Did you actually did you see anything about its face or what are some details maybe you remember about it?

46:15 The just the broad broadness of its shoulders, the length of its arms, and the way it walked. It was hunched over, I won't say walk. It was moving pretty quick. It crossed a twenty five foot area in about three steps. Wow, and extremely fast. I didn't see the face, facial details, and but there's no doubt my mind what I saw. It's the only thing it could have been. It was just yeah, this is the size of it and the quickness it moved and quiet. I think what happened when they turned on the white light. It had been probably in that area where we heard the Knox. It came out of that area, it came across and I think we spooked it. When the white lights turned they were actually illuminating the ground. They had found what they thought was a track there, and we're looking at it with the white light. They couldn't see if they good with their red lights that we use at night on hikes, and I was actually a good glimpse of it. Good look at it. That is incredible. Do you you know, over the years, when you're going on different expeditions, do you ever encounter anything that is weird but definitely not Bigfoot? Do you ever run across the pass of any other could be cryptids or other weird things in the woods? Orbs? Really, we had a lot of orbs, especially in land between the lakes. We were actually watching one of the night that we saw the Bigfoot. There was a red one up in the trees where we were watching, and people encountered

47:49 them the entire expedition down there. Both years we had orbs. That's about the only other thing I've really we had actually an orb go near There's a lot of cemeteries in the land between the lakes, old family plots and stuff, and had some one of the groups, a really good researcher was there investigator and had them sold, so it was Yeah, it was just a lot of orbs. We get them just about everywhere we go. It seems you had mentioned when you're talking about Land between the Lakes. I believe you said that it was the ledged monster. Is that correct? But what now? You had said that there were reports of some kind of monster beside the dog man. Yeah, they weren't sure it was a dog ban or big foot or whatever. Where there was a group of campers killed. Oh, yes, okay, okay, yep, that old legend. I think you've probably heard the infamous legend. I believe from the nineteen eighties of the campground.

48:47 It was almost pretty much a massacre in a way. So there were bodies in the trees and everything. But now no one would be able to find any evidence with the police department exactly things exactly. That's a tricky thing about that, And I know that that is opening up a can of worms with some listeners, and I may get some emails, which I welcome. The dog man community is very passionate and they're doing some great research down there for sure. Are you still actively going on a Bigfoot expeditions, Larry, Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, I've got a couple more coming up. And actually I'm going to be hosting a bfrorow West Virginia expedition next September fourteenth to seventeenth. You know, I'll have it here. I can't give the location. There'll be in a great spot and that's open for registration now. I'm vfro dot net on our site England and the talk and then we select people that want to do it, and then I'll interview them.

49:43 We've already got a lot of presentation people signed up. We got emails Monaga Hala and Charles Kimberg going to brew presenters at night. It looks like we're getting it together. I'm getting a lot of inquiries already, are selected about six people. I didn't know that on an expedition. That's pretty cool. Yeah, talks to you and make sure we're not getting people in that are going to hoax and do crazy, to do things that just start in the interest of the expedition. I like that. Yeah. They send their stuff into Caroline Curtis, the secretary of the BFR own and then she gets it back out to the organizer and then we make a phone call and a lot of the repeaters we don't call back our sure the people that are repeaters, it's the newb's. They usually call up and really want to make sure that they know what they're getting into. And there is a charge involved that we have to get insurance and permit exactly. So we try to keep it as reasonable as we can, but we have expenses with scouting trips and everything.

50:44 The last few minutes that we have, Larry, I've got one more question for you. You've gone on so many different expeditions, and pretend you're speaking to someone maybe a listener who wants to go look for bigfoot, have their first expert addition, what how do they need to be prepared? What things would you recommend? There's so many different ways to approach it. You can go in come to you, you can height, night hike and trail. I think sure you're a fairly good condition, which I need to get myself back in shape to make sure you're you know, good shoes, don't. I highly encourage people not to do it alone. Always have so that's people get lost and you can have always have an audio recorder. Just have an open mind. Remember not everything it happens in the woods, Not every noise is a big foot, the different night sounds, what a barred owl sounds, you know what a codey sounds like. And Cody's have got so many different sounds they can make look listen for knocks and howls and just say, find a friend that's interested in it, get it and it'll get if you go out and start having activity and try to pick out an area that there's it's active. You can go on the BFRO site. We break it down by a state and county where you're at. I pick out an area that's near you and just go in and hit some of the trails up.

52:06 Most of the state parks and state forests are really open to it, and there seems to be activity just about every national forest, especially in the East Coast or we have activity in sightings. But you can start out with just a red head lamp and walkie talkies and things, and you can get into where you'll get addicted and you let it. Buy a thousand dollars formal limitature thermal limits have gotten cheaper over the last few years and just a real good affordable unit. Even if you don't see a bigfoot, it is still a really fun camping trip that you're getting out in nature, and we all could use a lot more of that. Yes, that's ninety and a half percent of it. Just get it out in nature and meeting old friends. That's a great thing. On these expeditions. We only get together some of us two or three times a year, and we get together and talk about our stories and our research, and we tried new things just to you know, try to make it easier for us. That The last exhibition I was at in Kentucky, this hall, we actually had the activity right in base camp.

53:12 Wow. During a presentation, Naga Hala was playing some audio and we had knocks and whoops and eyes shine right in the right in base camp. Yes, during the presentation and the second Larry, I will tell here because it's an active research area, but it's been it's crazy there. We were doing them at eleven o'clock in the morning one day and he was doing his audio presentation and we had whoops and knocks over the hill right behind us from where we were doing it. Oh. Wow, that is incredible. What an experience that must have been. Larry, thank you so much for hanging out and sharing your experience with Bigfoot. Over the years, this has been very informational and thank you, oh, thank you. Before you go.

54:00 I always like to give the guest a chance. Is there any things that people can do to follow up with what you're doing or would the best thing be to keep an eye on the BFRO website. What do you think? Just keep an eye on the BFRO website. I don't have a blog or anything. Keep up with the BFR website. We've been quiet and West virginulately with reports, so I haven't had a lot to do, but they seem to come in big groups, so hopefully we'll coming out there real soon and you can keep up with, like I said, the BFRO website and looking at the reports and just checking with the newest ones coming in. Fantastic.

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