Feb. 25, 2025

Columbia River Gorge Sasquatch! | Washington

Join us as we dive deep into the enigmatic wilderness of Columbia River Gorge with James Szubski from Margie's Outdoor Store. James shares fascinating witness accounts and personal experiences involving Sasquatch sightings, mysterious glowing orbs,...

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Season 1

Join us as we dive deep into the enigmatic wilderness of Columbia River Gorge with James Szubski from Margie's Outdoor Store. James shares fascinating witness accounts and personal experiences involving Sasquatch sightings, mysterious glowing orbs, and the elusive 'Klickitat Ape Cat.' Discover how his background as an infantry veteran, wildland firefighter, and search and rescue EMT shapes his unique approach to investigating these paranormal phenomena.

Resources:

https://www.margiesoutdoor.com

Bigfoot Society episode with a potential Klickitat Ape Cat sighting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJN4o830_YQ

Washington Environmental Atlas: https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/usace/Washington1975Atlas-Sasquatch.pdf

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show, all right, Pick for Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to James Shubski today from Margy's

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outdoor store out there in the Columbia River Gorge. It's

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a pleasure to have you on the show today. James.

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How's it going.

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It's going great, and thank you so much for having me.

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Absolutely, you're an individual I've wanted to talk to for

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a while. I've heard you on a few other shows,

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and you have such a such a cool story up there.

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I love how you're really going after it, and I

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mean the things that you are recording, the witness accounts

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out there is just just simply incredible. Let me actually

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share a little bit about yourself first. You're so nice

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to provide some info, and I want to make sure

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that I provide that. But you're infantry veteran wildland firefighter

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and nationally certified Search and Rescue EMT. And Margie's you

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have a very interesting program where it's pretty much a

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paranormal reporting program at this outdoor adventure store in the

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Columbia River Gorge, and you've logged over well more than

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four hundred eyewitness accounts of different types of phenomena in

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the area, which I think is just fascinating. James, I

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do have to ask you, you know, is this something

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where you've always been into the weird in the Bigfoot?

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Or was it a thing where you know, you got

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the store first and then you started to get into

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things once you had that.

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Well, you know, I grew up in the seventies and eighties,

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so that's dating there, and like the Leonard Nimoy show

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in Search of was like huge for all the kids

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in my neighborhood and our number one.

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Was Bigfoot, Like, we talked about him constantly, and.

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You know, I lived in Ohio and we were we

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knew that Sasquatch was mostly in the Pacific Northwest, especially

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back in the seventies, and the best geographic minds of

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our neighborhood gang was pretty sure that for Sasquatch, Ohio

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was just a two or three day easy walk for us,

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and that he would definitely be in the woods around

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our house without without any problem. So it's kind of

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been a lifelong interest from that regard. But I came

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out to Washington State back in nineteen eighty eight as

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a Cold War soldier stationed at Fort Lewis, and you know,

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it was sort of like, you know, coming to the

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place where Sasquatch is, and we talked about it a

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lot as soldiers too, because we used to have to

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do these land navigation courses out here, and you know,

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you have to do it to the.

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Day, and you have to do it at night.

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You can't carry a flashlight, and you're in some of

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the deepest, thickest Pacific Northwest forest you can imagine, you know,

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and having to go on distances and directions and find

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you know, basically these coffee cans pinned to trees, you know,

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several miles worth, of course, And you know, I was

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a nineteen years old convinced that I was walking through

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the center of a sasquatch hive as I was doing

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these tests, and so it's always been a part of

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my life.

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But it was about four years ago.

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My mother in law, Margie, owned a couple of stores

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in the Columbia ver Gorge, and she passed away, and

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my wife and I were living up in Seattle at

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the time, and we decided that we wanted to carry

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on the family businesses, and.

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So we moved down here.

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Well I moved down here first for a year until

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we got the kids squared away at school, and then

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and the businesses needed some rejuvenating and so had we

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renamed one of the stores Margie's Outdoor Store, and kind

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of on a whim, I put a sasquatch in the logo,

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you know, like it was a bigfoot in one of

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the o's. And it wasn't long before people started coming in,

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you know, a lot of locals, and they were whispering

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about some of the unusual and remarkable encounters they were

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having in the wilderness. Areas of the Columbia Gorge, and

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I found it fascinating, So I'll paint a picture for

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your listeners of what the Columbia River Gorge is like. So,

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the Columbia River forms the border between southern Washington State

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and northern Oregon State, and the Columbia is the largest

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river in North and South America that flows into the

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Pacific Ocean, and where the gorge is, it actually flows

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through the Cascade Mountains.

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And so in the gorge.

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In the eighties, it was designated the nation's first National

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Scenic Area because it is so jaw droppingly beautiful out here,

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and you can go the rivers just about at sea level,

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but you can instantly in less than half a mile,

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rocket up to three thousand feet, and there are these

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stunning cliffs, and we've got over ninety named waterfalls, more

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waterfalls than anywhere else in the United States concentrated. Some

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of those are over six hundred feet tall. And the

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place is riddled with caves. There are over five hundred caves,

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mostly volcanic lava tubes out here.

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And the gorge is like sort of right.

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At the center of the Cascade Mountains. So the western

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half of the Mountains is like this classic brooding and

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mysterious Pacific Northwest rainforest with you know, mist and deep

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fur and pine trees, cliffs and rivers. And then when

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you get to the eastern half it is you get

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into the rain shadow and there is like this sort

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of austere and almost spiritual desert environment and you've got

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you know, like classic you know mesas, you know, flat

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top buttes and this really rugged, rocky cliffy landscape. And

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then all that, of course is surrounded by its cascade mountains.

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And within thirty five miles of my store there are

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two glacier clad stratovolcanoes mount Atoms in Mount Hood and

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then and they're both ten thousand they're over ten thousand feet.

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And then there's Mount Saint Helens, which is which erupted

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in nineteen eighty it was the most destructive volcanic event

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in United States history. And that's also just like forty

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miles from my store. And so it's sort of like

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if you've ever played video games, like one of the

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coolest open world maps you could possibly imagine. And you know,

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you had mentioned that I've got all this outdoor experience,

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and so for me, you know, coming down here was

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like like I had won the lottery, Like it was

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just utter paradise. And to give you just a little

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bit sense of like where we are located geographically the

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city of Portland, Like if you were to come here,

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you would fly into Portland and then you'd drive about

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sixty miles east to the town of Binging, which is

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right across the river from the town of Hood River.

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There's a bridge, and that's where my store is located.

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So like we are kind of dead center in the

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middle of the gorge, like right where the rain turned

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into desert. And so that's the setting that we're talking about.

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And it is one of the true rugged wilderness, like

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the true you know, expedition worthy wilderness areas left in America,

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left in the world. In fact, you know, people don't

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really have a sense of just how vast these wilderness

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regions are. But the Cascade Mountains, they're combined. Like if

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you took the ten smallest states in the US and

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glombed them all together, they still wouldn't be as big

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as the Cascade Mountains, which range from southern British Columbia

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and Canada all the way through Washington, Oregon.

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And northern California.

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And it's also the place where there have been tons

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and tons of sasquatch sidings throughout the years. In fact,

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on the Washington side there are two counties. There's Comania

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County in Clckitet County. My stories are in Clicktet County,

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my home is in Scamania County, and Mania County was

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the first governmental body in the world to create sasquatch

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protection legislation, all the way back in nineteen sixty eight.

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They passed laws that made me a county a sasquatch sanctuary.

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And if you shoot and kill a sasquatch.

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Here in Comania County, and the coroner determines that it

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is a humanoid and you'll be charged with manslaughter. And

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so this is a place where it's it's taken pretty seriously.

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What sort of stunned my wife and I when we

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first got down here was that it seemed like everyone

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we met either knew someone who had a sasquatch experience

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or had had one themselves. And we're talking about people

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whose families have lived here for generations, and for them,

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you know, sasquatch is was like no question, It's just

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a part of the natural world that's out here. Once

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these people started coming in and talking about all of

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these just remarkable experiences. And you know, we were hearing

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about sasquatch stories, We're hearing ufo stories, We're hearing ghost stories.

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We were hearing stories, and this one really captured my imagination.

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We have over one hundred and thirty reports of this

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enormous black panther creature. Locally, it's called the click atat

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Ape cat. And so all of the reports of this

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creature say that it is a very muscular cat, so

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cat body form, long black tail, and it always has

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black fur and so, and that's we know that's not

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a cougar, because science does not recognize black cougar's as

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a thing.

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And about half.

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Of the reports that we have received to the creature

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is enormous in size. By that, I mean four to

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five feet tall, the shoulder anywhere between seven hundred and

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thirteen hundred pounds, and so that's like half of the reports.

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And then there's a tiny fraction of the reports, probably

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less than ten percent, that say the creature has a

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face that looks like a monkey. And when they talk

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about that, they usually say that they always talk about

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it has a shortened snout, so it doesn't have quite

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as long of a nose as a what you'd expect

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to see in a cat. Oftentimes they talk about intelligent

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ape like eyes, sort of a primate feel through its face.

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Sometimes it's reported without fur on its face, just like

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a black leathery skin. And so you know, like I said,

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we've had all of these reports. And I'll talk more

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about that creature in a minute, but when we started it,

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I gave very specific instructions to the staff. I said,

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we are going to take everyone who comes in here seriously.

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We are going to believe the witness, no matter how

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outlandish it sounds to us and our personal experience. We're

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going to treat this person with dignity and respect, and

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we're going to ask intelligent file up questions.

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And we'll see what happens.

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I know from you know, research and a bunch of

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other things that you know, when you create a place

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for people, you're more likely to get the hear things right,

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and to hear these stories and the accounts. And at first,

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you know, the community, we're looking at me, you know,

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with the arms crossed and a skeptical raised eyebrow, but

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over time, you know, we have proven that we treat

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people with the respect that you're not going to be

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We're not going to think that you're crazy, that we're

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going to protect your information if you ask us to,

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we're not going to you know, laugh about who told

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us what. And eventually, you know, we earn the community's trust.

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And you know, there are many times now, you know,

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after like I said, close to over four hundred reports

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where I am the second person that someone has told about,

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you know, their Sasquatch experience or whatever, the UFO experience

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or whatever it is.

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person told them they were crazy or they were on

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drugs or whatever, and so they just decided that they

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weren't going to take that social risk ever again. And

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because we created this place, a safe place for ordinary

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people to talk about extraordinary experiences, they have entrusted us with.

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You know this remarkable.

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that they have never forgotten. And I didn't know it

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when we started, but that has turned out to be

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one of the hidden gems of this whole experience. I mean,

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you know, we've made these connections on a very human

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level with people. The relief that people feel when they're

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believed is amazing. The camaraderie and the rapport that you

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feel with somebody, especially when I can relate to them

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other stories that I've heard that are similar to theirs,

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and they have a sense that they're not alone like

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that has been beyond rewarding, and in many ways, I

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have come to feel like these people need a champion,

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someone who will stand up for them, someone who will

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talk intelligently about these experiences, take the brunt of whatever

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criticisms or snickers are out there, and bring these things

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to light and validate their experiences.

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And so for me, it's really become sort of a

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mission in life. You know.

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It's really cool to have a physical location where people

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could come and a lot of the reports that we get.

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People just come in and they'll talk to us.

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We do have an online reporting system and a lot

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of fans will get reports that way as well. I

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try to follow up on all the ones that come

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in online, especially if they're located in the Gorge.

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satisfying and enjoyable experience for me.

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And you know, we knew, I mean, I'm not a.

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Fool, like I knew people would come in and you know,

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tell tall tales or you know, there'd be people who

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have legitimate mental health issues that they're working.

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Through big for a society who will be right back

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after these messages.

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And I figured, oh, you know, I'm not trying to

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pretending to be a scientist here. I'm just going to

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be a human being, a curious, compassionate human being, and

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see where it leads us. And I have been really

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surprised at you know, it's a tiny vanishing a number

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of people who've come in clearly joking around, you know,

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like they signed their reports seaworn boots or something like that.

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But there's not many people that come in and do that.

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The majority of people are people who have had some

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kind of legitimate experience that they don't have context for, and.

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We help try to provide that.

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Now it's gotten to the point so you know, it's evolved,

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and I'm pretty well known in the GORGEA. I've got

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an FJ Cruiser four by four that I've modified and

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it's got you know, lights and logos and everything on

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it and cameras and drones and it's a.

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Paranormal research vehicle we call it.

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The license plates are encrypted and so it's pretty recognizable

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and people will stop me at the post office or

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at the grocery store or at a restaurant and say, oh, James,

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I've been meeting to talk to you.

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I've got this really incredible story to tell you.

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And so that's been Like I said, it's been fun

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to watch the community, community's opinion change and for them

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to really get behind it and see it as a value.

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I think one of the most you know, rewarding parts

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of the experiences we the store has earned thirteen Best

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of the Gorge Awards in the past three years, and

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that's because of all the love we get from people

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recognizing that we're doing something kind of special.

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I think that that is so that has got to

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be so rewarding knowing that you're able to affect or

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give people a outlet in order for them to feel

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that they're they're safe, respectful environment. And it's very similar

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to what I tried to do here. But the cool

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thing is that you are extremely boots on the ground

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and you are the place to go there in that

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area for people to share and people are realizing that

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you know, they can they can trust you. But this

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the ape cat, I find that is so fascinating. And

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it's because now that I think about it, I had

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an episode a few maybe about a few months ago,

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and it was a elk hunter up by a Storia

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and he had a bigfoot report he sharing. But then

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he came back on in another episode and he actually

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had shared a sighting of a strange creature that had

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a long tail and a very strange face. And the

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more that I hear about the ape cat creature, it

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sounds like this could be kind of similar. Now, it's

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not in the Gorge, but it was up by longview.

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I don't know, does this creature seem to have a

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pretty wide environment range or does it kind of just

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stick down to where you guys are.

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these animals can travel twenty five miles in a day.

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The Gorge is maybe one hundred miles.

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From Astoria, and it's connected to the Columbia River. I mean,

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that's the story, is where the Columbia River empties into

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the ocean. And so I absolutely would can not be

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at all surprised. I've even heard reports of myself health

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from relatives of mine who live in Hoquiam, which is

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just north of Astoria, who I've seen the cat on

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their property out there.

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And so we're pretty sure that these creatures aren't.

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Obeying any you know, lines of geography, and they're apparently

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excellent swimmers, and so the notion that they could easually

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cross the river, I mean, we're certain that they have,

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because we have reports in both Oregon and Washington. But

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you know, you had asked me earlier, like have I

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had any experiences myself, and my answer was yes, and

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some of them occurred before we even started the reporting program,

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and recognizing that was I think part of my motivation

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for taking people seriously with their reports. So, you know,

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I back in twenty twenty one, sort of like early

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days before we had really even kicked off the program,

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I was standing along the river's edge and taking a

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picture of a really cool, like pencilton beam of sunlight

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coming down through the clouds into the.

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Gorge onto the river.

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And when I looked at the photographs afterwards, there is

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this incredible blue glowing orb on there, and you know,

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I know what lens flares are and how they occur

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and things like that, and it was obvious that this

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was not a lens flare. You know, I can go

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through all the characteristics, but they're kind of an important

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The important thing is that, you know, I captured this

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thing on film, and that was that was an interesting

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gata point for me, like.

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Oh wow, that's kind of unusual.

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We have, you know, a dozen scores and scores of

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reports of glowing orbs and the gorge effect. It's one

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of the most common phenomenon we hear about. My wife

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and I have seen them with our naked eyes while

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driving on Highway fourteen out here, and so that was

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one of those experiences that we've had. And you know,

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as I look back over the reports that we've received

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over the years, oftentimes we have gluing orbs reported in

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association with sasquatch sightings. I can't say for sure that

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you know, they are connected, but they do. They do

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seem like they're correlated. And you know, we'll get reports

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of we were watching these glowing orbs, and you know,

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they range anywhere in size from soft softball size to

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twelve feet in diameter, to things that look like they

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could be a craft of some type. And so we

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hear stories of people, yeah, we saw these white orbs

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and they were on the ridge line and then quickly

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turned into sasquatch encounter at their campsite. Other people will

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hear vocalizations and then see orbs leaving the area where

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the vocalation vocalizations came from. So that was one of those,

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you know, personal experiences that I've had. The other one

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was I was out in an area called horse Thief Butte.

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So horse Thief Butte is like a desert mesa. You know,

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it's got these you know, high walls, flat top and

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from the road it looks like a classic monolith, you know,

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just a solid piece of rock and it's sandwich between

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Highway fourteen and the Columbia River. But when you get

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close to it, it is riddled with a labyrinth of

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hidden passageways and amphitheaters. There are petroglyphs on the walls.

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The Native Americans considered a place of you know, great

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spiritual power, and they would go there in ancient times

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to go on vision questsifying their spirit animals, and you know,

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there's evidence that the gorge is one of the oldest

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inhabited areas in America. Right near this horse Deef Feud

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area is considered one of the most important archaeological sites

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in all of North America. And in fact, people have

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been living here from ten thousand years before the pyramids

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were built in Egypt. Just to give you a sense

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of like how steeped and hoary with, you know, history

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this place is. And I was climbing around up in

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these cliffs. It's a really cool area, and it was

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getting close to sunset. From the butte, you can see

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Mount Hood, you know, shining its pointed peak in the distance.

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sort of flat land, it's a scabland runs about I

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don't know, two three hundred yards and then it drops

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off a cliff and then there's this lake it's called

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horse Thief Lake. And then on the far side of

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horse Thief Lake there's this wall of petroglyffs. And I

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was up there, I think it was in June at

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getting close to sunset. There's still plenty of light though,

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and I was looking down into the lake and I

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saw this creature swimming around in the water, and I

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couldn't figure out what it was. There were ducks on

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the water and so I could kind of get an

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estimate of its size.

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And it was probably.

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Seven hundred eight hundred yards away from me at the time,

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so not a good look at it. Didn't have binoculars

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with me, and the creature had dark, dark coloration, so

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it you know, it was if it was head for,

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it would have been dark for And it seemed to

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be patrolling the center of the lake.

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It looked like it was larger than.

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A man, but smaller than a car, so somewhere in

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that size scale. And I observed it submerge under water.

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Sometimes we're up to five minutes and then come back

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up and continue patrolling the center of the lake. And

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I have spent tens of thousands of hours in the wilderness,

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and I could not figure out what the hell I

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was looking at. You know, went through the inventory of

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the creatures that live out here, and you know, we've

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got a lot of black bear. You know, black bears

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are good swimmers, but they typically point to point swimmers,

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and then that's the kind of creatures that will submerge

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we've got elk that are that big, but they're not

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submerging creatures. And they definitely are point to point swimmers

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as well. That's something to be patrolling the center of

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a lake. And you know, I kind of went to

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this invangory. I thinks I couldn't. I had no idea

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what it could be. And again this was before we

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had started a reporting program. And then so I just

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sort of chalked it up to do not know what

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that was, but it is unlike any creature I have

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ever seen in my life.

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And then later, as.

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You know, we were as those reports of these cats

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came in, I started doing more research and I learned

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that jaguars are excellent swimmers and they can hold their

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breath for fifteen minutes. You know, they are just really

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really strong swimmers. And that, you know, sort of made

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me start to wonder, was I looking at a cat

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down there?

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I honestly don't know. And then there was another experience

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that I had.

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So, you know, I lived in Skamania County and I had.

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My my FJ Cruiser, you know, and I was working

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on I.

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Think some of the spotlights or something like that in

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the garage one night and I heard this bellowing noise

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and I thought, man, that kind of sounds like a sasquatch,

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like you know from the reports that I had heard.

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And there was stick.

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Knocking, like that knocking of sticks, And so I called

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my eleven year old daughter out into the garage.

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And I said, listen, listen, listen. Do you hear it?

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And she said, yeah, I do. I said, what do

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00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.000
you think it is? She's like, I don't know, And like,

459
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.359
we didn't think it was an elk because they have

460
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.319
sort of a higher whistle kind of a sound to it.

461
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:19.839
This was a sort of a lower thing. But it

462
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.200
was definitely being created by a very large creature, like

463
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.440
at least thousand pounds. It was not a small noise.

464
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.119
And I called my wife out and she listened to

465
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.880
it too, and you know, and then we listened to

466
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.000
elk recordings and we were circuit wasn't an elk, And

467
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.920
I thought, man, we.

468
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:40.799
Might be listening to a sasquatch out there.

469
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.680
So the next day, you know, I got in the

470
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.920
rig and the cryptid and sort of started driving around

471
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.160
looking for the area where the sound is coming from.

472
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.839
And it sounded like it was maybe a quarter mile away.

473
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.440
From my house, so it wasn't that far and I

474
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.920
got out there and was sort of scoping out the area,

475
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:01.960
and then I found a pasture and in that pasture

476
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.759
was a big bull, you know, a big steer cattle.

477
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.599
And then he opened his mouth and he made that

478
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.440
same noise that I had heard the night before. And

479
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:18.759
I love this story because it's easy to get squatch

480
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:23.400
fever and think that, you know, everything that happens weird

481
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.279
in the out here in the gorge is some kind

482
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.279
of you know, clearly, you know, definitely seeing squatch. But

483
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.960
here's when we went out and we verified It's the

484
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.519
purpose of our investigations is to find the ones that

485
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.839
are real and make sure that there's something that's got

486
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.480
a rational explanation that you know, we're not glombing things

487
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.559
together that don't belong an unusual phenomenon. And so that

488
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.279
was one of those kind of deals where I was

489
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.160
pretty sure I was listening to a sasquatch. I still

490
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.480
don't know where the stick knocking came from. Maybe that was,

491
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.079
you know, something different, but the noise that the whole

492
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.920
family heard turned out to actually be a cow and

493
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:00.960
at a sasquatch at.

494
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:05.519
All, I think that's a great lesson, and yes, you

495
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.279
are correct, as a lot of listeners know, it is

496
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:13.799
very easy to get you know, sasquatch fever or bigfoot

497
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.359
on the brain, and there's many different ways to say it,

498
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.119
but it is so important to kind of, you know,

499
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.160
maybe sometimes take a little bit of a step back

500
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.599
and be aware of, you know, what's going on in

501
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.359
the area. But I mean sometimes, yeah, you take a

502
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.599
step back, but you still can't, you know, logically explain

503
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.440
away what's going on. But it's important to do that.

504
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.200
These reports that you're getting at Margie's, have you found

505
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:47.519
that are most of the bigfoot reports more peaceful or

506
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.960
passive or there are also some reports in the area

507
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.759
of maybe more aggressive sasquatch.

508
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:02.319
So we have had no hostile encounters reported at the store,

509
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.759
and that goes for a sasquatch and for the ape

510
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.799
cat as well. With the ape cat, there was one

511
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.920
story where a guy was thought that the cat.

512
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.359
Was going after his goats and so he shot at

513
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.000
it with a twenty two. But that was no human

514
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:18.960
was in danger.

515
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.960
And you know, so the short answer is no, we

516
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.480
really don't get a lot of reports of hostile encounters.

517
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.519
We get a lot of ports of people being scared

518
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.720
crapolas and so like, that's a that's a real thing.

519
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.160
And you know the stories that we've heard.

520
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.160
You know, there's some where these creatures are thirteen feet tall,

521
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.279
and we have an eleven foot sasquatch in the store.

522
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.759
You know, it's sort of a piece of insulating foam

523
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.559
covered with fur in the silhouette of a shasquatch. And

524
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.680
you stand next to that thing, You're like, jeez, Louise,

525
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.200
that's just gigantic. You know, until you're actually standing next

526
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.640
to an eleven foot tall thing, it is hard to

527
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.200
wrap your head around how big it is. But six

528
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.160
five and I come up to his butt and it's

529
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:09.559
just like, man, that is huge. And but the so

530
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.480
there's a there's a ton of stories to talk about

531
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.079
in this regard big for society. Who will be right

532
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.440
back after these messages.

533
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.319
There are some folks that see them quite a bit.

534
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:35.880
And there's one.

535
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:37.759
Guy who I've been out to his property a couple

536
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.599
of times, and he he has seen He's brought me

537
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.880
hair samples. You know, he has seen pregnant ones, he's

538
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:50.319
heard them giving birth. He's seen blonde ones and red

539
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.640
furred ones and brown ones and black ones. We've had

540
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:55.960
reports of white furred ones as well out here in

541
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.519
the Gorge. One night he said that there were thirteen

542
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.119
of them that he counted on his property, and they

543
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.519
were sort of lining up to cross the road. It's

544
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.440
sort of like they would cross one at a time,

545
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.920
and there was sort of a leader one and he

546
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.359
lives in an area on the maps. We've had reports

547
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.079
in the store that Native Americans have treaties with these

548
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.839
creatures for bury picking areas and mushroom gathering areas and

549
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.559
salmon harvesting areas, and so they're I mean, like it's

550
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.319
when you hear this many stories and you live amongst

551
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:37.839
these people, you know, you say, either everyone here is

552
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.720
a liar, which I don't believe at all, and that's

553
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.279
just rude. I mean, like if you are going to

554
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.680
accuse people lying that you've never met, like what are

555
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.440
you doing? Like how are you raised? Or they're deluded?

556
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.319
And I know that they're not deluted. These are you know,

557
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.839
intelligent people. They're my neighbors, they're my friends, and you

558
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.079
know they you know, many of them, like some of

559
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:03.119
them are you know, businessmen, insurance salesmen, store owners, police officers,

560
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.440
and so they're people are definitely encountering these creatures out there,

561
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.720
and they seem to be really good at hiding, you know,

562
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.319
really capable. You know, when I was a soldier, we

563
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.119
could hide a w platun of guys, you know, in

564
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.880
an area you know, fifty feet by fifty feet and

565
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.599
you would walk right on top of us and not

566
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.079
even know we were there. And we just worked in

567
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.519
the woods like these creatures live there, like in their livelihood,

568
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.440
you know, their survival depends on being able to blend

569
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.599
in with the wilderness. And to anyone who thinks so,

570
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.039
how could they hide and how could you not see them?

571
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.359
They just have no idea a how vast it is

572
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:48.079
out here, and be like, how how you can hide

573
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.079
in this kind of wilderness like it's it really is

574
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.799
something like you just have to be here to understand

575
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.160
how that could work, and it absolutely can work.

576
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.319
So but you ask, what, you know, are the benevolent?

577
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.440
Are there any of these hostile encounters?

578
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.839
And I had a very unusual experience to myself, and

579
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.319
my ultimate conclusion was this, it was a benevolent experience.

580
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.359
So we have this place up here called the Big

581
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.000
Lava bed. It's called the Big Lava Bed on many maps.

582
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.240
A lot of locals call it broke click burrows. And

583
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.480
it is an area approximately the size of the island

584
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.759
of Manhattan in New York. So you know, three four

585
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.000
miles across, and you know seven to nine miles long,

586
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.839
and basically eight thousand years ago this there was a

587
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.759
volcanic vent opened up and it created this giant lava bed.

588
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.359
And the way to.

589
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.440
Imagine it is like imagine just a tangled massive rocks

590
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:54.519
that sort of bulldozed itself and filled an entire mountain valley.

591
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.799
And so there are like these micro canyons and jagged rocks.

592
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.680
If you have any Tolkien fans out there, it's like

593
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.960
I'm on wheel. It's unpassable. Lab at the labor at

594
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.079
the razor sharp rocks. These rocks are covered with moss.

595
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.760
There's tons of hidden lava tubes in there. So lava

596
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.920
tube is when the lava starts flowing the surface, the

597
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.360
top of the lava hardened, cools and hardens and creates

598
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.880
a sort of an insulated tube, and then the rest

599
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.559
of the lava runs through there and then it runs

600
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.960
out and then the hollow tube.

601
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:29.440
Is left behind.

602
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.239
And so we have, like I said, over five hundred

603
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.480
lava tube caves up here, and sometimes those caves will

604
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.639
collapse and form trenches.

605
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.559
And so this place is really, really weird.

606
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.360
As a you know, as a soldier and a search

607
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.880
risk GMT and a firefighter, I have been professionally trained

608
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:55.000
on land navigation since I was a teenager, and you know,

609
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.400
I among the skills that I have, land navigation is

610
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.440
one of them. I mean literally in the jobs that

611
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.519
I've had, whether it be search and rescue or a soldier.

612
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.480
You know, lives dependent on me knowing how to navigate

613
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.639
and doing it well. And so.

614
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:16.239
I was out in this area and a couple things

615
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.960
about it. There are no trails in there. The hunters,

616
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.239
local hunters don't like to go in there. We've had

617
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.639
dozens of people go missing in that area. Compasses don't

618
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.079
work reliably out there. Cell phones absolutely don't work out there.

619
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.039
And it's got this sort of weird scrubby forest on it.

620
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.599
You know, it's got hard living for a tree. And

621
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.679
so there are some areas that are barren and that's

622
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.519
almost like the surface of the moon with moss. Other

623
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.840
areas have got these weird stunted forests in them, and

624
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.800
it's just a really mysterious and intriguing place. We have

625
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.360
numerous south West sidings in this area, numerous ape cat

626
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:02.719
sightings in this area, and vocalizations, tree knockings, trees getting

627
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.000
knocked over, like lots of stuff, like lots of activity.

628
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.079
And the place is so big that like you could

629
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.360
have you know, five or six e Wok villages of

630
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.239
Sasquatches out there and no one would ever know. And

631
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.880
occasionally someone to go looking for caves in there and

632
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.079
go missing, and you know, we have certain rescue teams

633
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.559
come out and look for them, and there's been some

634
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.679
weird stories about, you know, like the US military has

635
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.280
showed up on a certain rescue for.

636
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.400
A random civilian.

637
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.000
I have been on scores of search and rescue missions,

638
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.320
and the only time the military will put boots on

639
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.840
the ground is if it's one of their aircraft that's

640
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.800
gone down, or one of their people that's missing, or

641
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.719
you know, it's a civilian flight that's gone down. Other

642
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.400
than that, you're lucky to get a chopper out of

643
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.400
the past Guard. But for searches out here, like they'll

644
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:56.000
deploy the nation's most elite para rescue team to go

645
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.079
look for people out here, and it's weird because you

646
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:04.320
know there are Back in the nineteen seventy five, the

647
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.119
Army Corps of an Engineers produced a document called the

648
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:14.039
Washington Environmental Atlas, and it basically went through like all

649
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.960
of the natural things.

650
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:16.880
That are in Washington State.

651
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:18.840
So it went through the geology, it went through the

652
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.159
plant life, went through the animal life, the archaeological sites

653
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.800
and everything, and basically it was a complete description of

654
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.480
what the land was Washington State.

655
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.360
And there's a section in it that talks about all

656
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:30.840
the animals.

657
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.320
And on page seventy three there is an entry for

658
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.039
Sasquatch and it is noted as one of the creatures

659
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.559
that lives here in Washington State. And on page seventy

660
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.519
three there is also a map that shows Bigfoot habitation

661
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.360
sites and this broke leag Borrows area is on that map.

662
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.440
Ount Saint Helens is on that map. And so you know,

663
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.559
it seems pretty clear that the US government is at

664
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.239
least aware, or parts of it are aware, that there

665
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.719
are creatures living out here like Sasquatch. I mean, the

666
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.880
entry is Bigfoot, and then there's you know, no question

667
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.360
about it.

668
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:10.480
What you're seeing there in that document.

669
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.039
So getting back to the story, though, I was out

670
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.800
there and I find this place incredibly intriguing.

671
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.960
You know, I've navigated in deserts and.

672
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.639
Swamps and glaciers and forests and you name it, but

673
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.239
this place kind of gives me the hebgb's Like it's

674
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.400
the one land navigation challenge that scares me because those

675
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.920
rocks are so so dangerous, Like if you slip and

676
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.079
fallen there, you could really hurt yourself.

677
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:40.119
I mean, like, yeah, it's kind of crazy. And also

678
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.079
like all of the things.

679
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.320
Like your compass networking, and you know, it's sometimes hard

680
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.079
to get a lock with GPS out there.

681
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.599
But I drove up there, and I parked my car.

682
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.119
At the edge of the lava bed in the middle

683
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.679
of the forest and walked in about one hundred yards

684
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.800
and was flying my drone up and down this trench.

685
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:00.960
Let's just say for the take a description, it was

686
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.000
a north south trench and I flew my drone up

687
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:05.440
and down a couple of times, and then it hit

688
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.360
a tree branch at the south end of that trench,

689
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.000
and I went and picked it up, put the drone away,

690
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.360
and walked to the north end of the trench probably

691
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.079
one hundred yards, and then to my recollection, I took

692
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.639
a ninety degree turn and then walked another four hundred

693
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.000
yards west into the lava bed, exploring as I was going,

694
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.360
checking things out. And as a professional land navigator, there's

695
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.519
a ton of things that you're doing in the background

696
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.760
whenever you're in the forest, and you are doing things like,

697
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.320
you know, noting landmarks, watching the position of the sun,

698
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.639
doing your pace count. You know, there's a whole set

699
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.880
of techniques and tricks and things like that where you

700
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.840
are always maintaining your location relative to where you started

701
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:50.800
and relative.

702
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.960
To where you were. And I thought that I was

703
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:53.960
doing all those things.

704
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.239
I mean, like like I have done a thousand times before.

705
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:03.199
And I came upon on another really interesting trench, and

706
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.960
this one was fascinating, and so I started to get

707
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.760
the drone out again, and I began flying the drone

708
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:12.760
up and down what I thought was a new trench.

709
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:18.039
And then, like waking up from a dream, I realized

710
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.719
slowly that I was right back where I had originally

711
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.440
crashed the drone. Now this was five six hundred yards

712
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.960
from where I thought I was where.

713
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.000
I should have been.

714
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.599
I have no memory none whatsoever of how I got

715
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:41.679
from where I thought I was to where I ended up.

716
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.039
And the only thing that sort of chipped me off

717
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.679
was I looked over my shoulder and I could see

718
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.199
my car one hundred yards away. And it was the

719
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:54.800
most disconcerting, discombobulating feeling I've ever had. I mean, you know,

720
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.760
I cannot remember the last time I got turned around

721
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.519
or lost and will in a setting like I said,

722
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.639
lives depend on me knowing how to do this. In fact,

723
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.320
like I'm the kind of person you call when someone

724
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.280
else gets lost in the woods and you need someone

725
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:14.719
competent and capable to find them and get them out,

726
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:21.119
and to be that turned around and that just flamboozled

727
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.199
about how I had arrived where I was and having

728
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.280
no recollection of getting there, like my memories were seamlessly edited.

729
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.719
And at first I was like a little bit creeped

730
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:34.360
out of like what.

731
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:34.960
Does happened to me?

732
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.800
Like, you know, I'm the kind of person like when

733
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.480
you see a person's face and then you walk away

734
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.360
for fifteen minutes and then you come back and you

735
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.840
see it again, like you know their face, Like that's

736
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.960
that's what like a wilderness location is like for me,

737
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:52.280
especially one unique like this trench. And then I had like, no,

738
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.599
like I thought, I was in a brand new place

739
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.480
that is like just unheard of for me. And as

740
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.079
I started contemplating, like what had happened, you know, the

741
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:02.719
first I was.

742
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.000
Like, what, like just sort of like sort of off

743
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:06.480
put by it.

744
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.440
Then I was excited that, you know, we've had many

745
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.480
people come in in talents reports of having time loss

746
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.599
and you know, spatial displacement and stuff like that, in

747
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.199
this experience had actually happened to me.

748
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:19.559
And as I thought about it, I thought, you know,

749
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.599
if if there was something.

750
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:28.199
I guess Sasquatch or whatever that didn't want me to

751
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.159
go deeper into that lava bed on that day, this

752
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:37.639
was the most benevolent way possible to put me back

753
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.159
at start. They put me in a place that was

754
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.000
relatively safe, where I could quickly find my vehicle, easily

755
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.119
get out of this really rugged and actually pretty dangerous

756
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.559
terrain area, and do it in a way that did

757
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:56.000
me no harm and caused me no trouble.

758
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.400
And so the overwhelming sense that I had.

759
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:03.320
Like once I got over being completely you know bamboo

760
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.920
bo by being lost in the woods for the first

761
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.760
time in decades as wow, like this was a like

762
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.239
the kindest, softest, most benevolent way of just bumping me

763
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.079
out of a place that I shouldn't have been on

764
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.159
that day at that time. So yeah, those are some

765
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.440
of the some of the lived experiences I've had out here,

766
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.639
and it's really been amazing.

767
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.079
It's absolutely just fascinating to hear about that area. And

768
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:38.159
I've never specifically heard that about that atlas before. I've no,

769
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.760
I've seen like the screenshot of the Sasquatch in but

770
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.920
just I've never really heard about that. It calls out

771
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:50.199
certain spots on the map, does it call out other

772
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.039
places in Washington State too, or does it really just

773
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.280
focus on that one area in that atlas?

774
00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:00.840
Yeah, there's a remember you know, like, yeah, you can

775
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:01.920
easily look it up online.

776
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.280
You Justico Army Corps of Engineers Washington Environmental Atlas and

777
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:10.559
it's not hard to find it. Like you download a

778
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.920
pdf and like, oh, you know how many hundred pages

779
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.760
are in there, and then page seventy three there's a Sasquatch.

780
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.119
It definitely shows it up north. You know, there's an

781
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.079
area called Index, which is where Harry and the Henderson's

782
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.239
was filmed or used to do a lot of rock

783
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.239
coiming back in the day, and I'm pretty sure there

784
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:31.000
are marks in that area. Their places in Spokane. In fact,

785
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.360
in Spokane there's a fair Child Air Force Base and

786
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.119
they have a Seer school, which is survival, Escape, resistance,

787
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.840
and evasion. It's like if a pilot gets down, you know,

788
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.360
they turn them how to get back to friendly territory,

789
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.480
and they issue them a map of Washington State.

790
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.800
And on that map it's got pictures of all the dangers.

791
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.719
You know, all the animals and wildlife, and there's a

792
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.920
section on dangerous animals and they've got you know, our

793
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.280
orcas and our bears and that kind of stuff. And

794
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.480
there's a picture of sasquatch. You know, it's a two

795
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.599
thousand and seven map. The Serius school at Fairchild Air

796
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:07.159
Force Base that also share the sasquatch. So either they're

797
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.519
hilarious jokesters or the US government is aware that these

798
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:14.079
creatures live here in Washington State.

799
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.440
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

800
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:35.719
You know.

801
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:42.159
That's the kind of thing that really it makes me

802
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:47.960
wish that people that we're in the know in government

803
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:53.360
for that state or Oregon or whatever out there would

804
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.119
just start coming forward, and man, we just gotta start

805
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.440
getting some answers because or I mean, I feel we

806
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.840
already have the answers, but it would be nice if

807
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.639
people from in government would just be like, oh, yeah, yeah,

808
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.360
it's it's real, you know, just just throw it all

809
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:10.719
out there.

810
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:11.079
Why not.

811
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.519
We're doing all the UAP stuff, we might as well

812
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.960
do the yeah, exactly why not.

813
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.719
The problem, I don't think is the evidence. Like anyone

814
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.760
who's been in the big community for any amount of

815
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.599
time knows there's genetic evidence, there's tons of photographic and

816
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.719
video evidence. There's So the problem isn't the evidence, it's

817
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.880
the audience. And Bigfoot has been around for decades in

818
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.199
the public imagination, and on any given day, seventy percent

819
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.920
of the population, the minute they hear the word Bigfoot

820
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.039
thinks that automatically without even considering anything other than the

821
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:55.039
name the brand Bigfoot. It's a hoax, like straight up,

822
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.280
there's just no getting around it.

823
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.239
And so because there's there's been disclosures, there's been all

824
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:00.840
the things.

825
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.760
That we would have hoped for, and and like you.

826
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.079
Know, Bigfrit's got a branding problem. And that's sort.

827
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.719
Of the the way that it's it's just the weight

828
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.679
of his history. And to be sure, there are people

829
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:18.119
who have created hoaxes, you know, and try to do

830
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.119
fakes and stuff like that, you know. And I had

831
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.880
mentioned earlier that one of my passions is sort of

832
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.079
being a champion for witnesses, for true witnesses, right, and

833
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.719
a part of that is debunking, you know, what I

834
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.800
would call the enthusiastically mistaken. Like that night that I

835
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.599
found that we heard the cow, I was enthusiastically mistaken

836
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:39.960
that I was hearing a sasquatch.

837
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.199
Right.

838
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.719
We got a really cool photograph in a report. It

839
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.719
was from a trail camp and it looked for all

840
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.679
the world like a black cat leaping and I thought, geez,

841
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.639
this is like we got it right here, look at

842
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.679
this thing. But the problem was that the photo from

843
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.639
a second before didn't have it in there, and the

844
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.960
photo from a second afterwards didn't have it in there.

845
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.000
And I was like, what how could this be?

846
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.639
And it was a silhouette, so you couldn't get a

847
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.239
lot of detail. So I took it back to the

848
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.159
store and did some image analysis on it, and you know,

849
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.199
worked with some contrasting filters, and it turned out that Nope,

850
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.599
actually it was a crow and its wings were just

851
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.280
in a very unusual configuration at a unique angle, and

852
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.199
it wasn't a cat leaving at all. It was it

853
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.519
was just again enthusiastically mistaken. So the point is is

854
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:31.039
that there is it's the problem with the audience, like

855
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.719
not the evidence. And if you're going to be a

856
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:40.960
champion for the true witnesses, the people who've the ordinary

857
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.840
people who've seen extraordinary things, then you know, I've been

858
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.960
asking myself, like what what can I do? You know,

859
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.320
We've we've got easily one of the most active paranormal

860
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.480
hotspots in North America here in the Gorge. There's lots

861
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.079
of interesting theories about why they might be, but like,

862
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:02.360
this is a really interesting testing or proving grounds, right,

863
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.920
So this spring we're going to be offering a ten

864
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.960
thousand dollars reward for the most compelling evidence of strange

865
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.199
phenomenon in the Gorge.

866
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:12.239
And you know, we'll take evidence.

867
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.920
Yeah, and everything from Bigfoot to this apecat to the UFOs.

868
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.039
People are sitting here and there's a team of volunteers

869
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.719
here in the Gorge. We're going to investigate the evidence,

870
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:25.840
and at the end of the summer, we're going to

871
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:30.000
announce who the ten thousand dollars winner is. And there's

872
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.119
a couple of reasons why I'm doing this. One of

873
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:37.199
the big ones is that we're crowdsourcing evidence gathering. Right.

874
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.119
So there are two point five million people that live

875
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.239
in the Portland area metro area, and they come to

876
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.039
the gorge to recreate and hike and do all other

877
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.280
kind of stuff. And of course there's the eighty thousand

878
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.800
people who live here already. A lot of these folks

879
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.440
see these creatures on the regular and there's enough you know,

880
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.159
social stigma and hurdles to bring in evidence and bring

881
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.880
it forward. Right, And so ten thousand dollars, I hope

882
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.320
is motivating enough to put your neck out a little

883
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.280
bit and say, yes, I've got something worth looking at here, right.

884
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.559
And the investigation team is, you know, we're going to

885
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.679
be alert for hoaxes, but we are trying to confirm

886
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:17.960
that their.

887
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:18.679
Evidence is real.

888
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.719
Like that's our goal is Okay, you've got You've given

889
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.679
us a good foothold.

890
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:28.039
Now we're going to go and figure out all of the.

891
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.760
Conditions around it and what's really cool is because all

892
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.400
of these investigators live here in the gorge.

893
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.960
Like we can respond within hours to a report, like.

894
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.480
If someone says, yeah, I just saw them up on

895
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.400
you know, the Syncline road, Like we can happen my

896
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.679
mind cryptid four by four and zip on out there

897
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.039
and look for prints and look for hair and do

898
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.880
all the other kind of things and you know, ensure

899
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.039
that take your own video of it.

900
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:54.159
There are many.

901
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.880
Folks who live out here who have reoccurring experiences like

902
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.559
the cats show regularly and they're orchard and they have

903
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.320
a name for it and it's kittens. There are folks

904
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.840
that have c sasquat on their property all the time,

905
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.599
and so you know, they can provide us with some

906
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.320
initial footage and then you know, we can go up

907
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.639
there and do a stakeout and try to capture it with.

908
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:15.880
Our own cameras.

909
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.079
And one of the things that I've been wanting to

910
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.000
bring to the big community that your audience specifically, is

911
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.000
what would be the ideal footage, Like if you could

912
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:36.280
give someone instructions on how to take the best photographic

913
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.800
video evidence of something that another researcher could follow up

914
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.239
on your work and verify what you've done, Like, what

915
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.960
instructions would you give that person? Off the top of

916
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.559
my head, I would say things like ensure that your

917
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:53.480
geolocation settings are on your camera. Another thing that I

918
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.280
would say is narrate your experience as you're having it.

919
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.760
Tell us the time, the day, the weather, what it

920
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.920
is that you're filming, why you're filming it. You know,

921
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.119
is there anyone else there with you? If you have

922
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.760
a buddy, film it from two different angles. I would

923
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.920
say things like kick an X in the ground where

924
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.320
you're filming from so that we can put our camera

925
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.400
there and then go down range and then be able

926
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.480
to approximate the height because we know where your camera was,

927
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.840
and then we can go down range and as to

928
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.280
figure out where he was, I would say, before you're

929
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.639
fit inished filming, you know, turn your camera three hundred

930
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:33.679
and sixty degrees around so we can see the entire

931
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:38.079
environment where where you're at and more accurate locate your location.

932
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:46.280
I'm sure that your audience has more ideas on you know, what,

933
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.920
what kinds of things you could do to create that

934
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.239
best evidence, the kind of evidence that other researchers could

935
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.599
verify your footage with. And I don't know, do you

936
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.440
have any thoughts on what You've probably seen tons of

937
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.639
different videos and different things, and like, man, I wish

938
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:08.000
that they had you know, steadied their camera or leaned

939
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.480
up against a tree or you know whatever it is.

940
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:16.039
So it's something I've been working over the last year

941
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:23.760
because it's a thing where as ai as AI progresses,

942
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.440
the video side of thing, things is beginning to get

943
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.000
better and better. I've seen, thankfully, you know, most of

944
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.400
the Bigfoot stuff in the video form you can pick

945
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.639
out right away that it's fake. I've seen one or

946
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.559
two where I'm like, oh, that's it's a little bit

947
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.119
too close for comfort, where it's we're starting to get there.

948
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.119
But I think, you know, if I was trying to

949
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.400
do something like this, it would be very very important

950
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.880
that I would see the original media that it was on,

951
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:06.440
whether it be like old school VHSC tape or even

952
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.639
you know, maybe it's someone's going to bring in the

953
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.519
next old school Patterson Gimlin, it's like on an old

954
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.360
real you know, real whatever. But I think it's going

955
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:23.000
to be very very important for that. And also, I mean,

956
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.960
if you do end up getting like digital media, to

957
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.400
be able to see like the metadata on it and

958
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.480
there are especially when you're throwing ten k into the mix,

959
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:38.079
it's going to get very very interesting. I think I

960
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.599
can't wait to see the type of stuff that you

961
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:45.760
you get. But it's you know, it's also like if

962
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.320
you're getting a video from a person where you know

963
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.760
they were just out there in the gorge and like

964
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:56.880
they just randomly, you know, it's probably going to be

965
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.440
a pretty It's it's not going to have all the

966
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:03.159
bells and and whistles like we have our ideas, like

967
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.000
you know, make sure you get a whole thing of

968
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:10.719
the surroundings, and it's probably gonna be pretty pretty rough

969
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.360
like those you know, if you see a bald eagle

970
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.639
or there's this you know, I drove by a bald

971
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.559
eagle once and it happened so quick I just didn't

972
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.559
have the time to even get out my phone to

973
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:26.679
take take a picture. It's like this stuff happens in seconds.

974
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:31.239
But in the best case scenario, if a person could

975
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.199
get all that stuff that you said, oh man, that

976
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:39.159
would be just amazing. The things that you could use

977
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.079
to replicate by going to the area and if you

978
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.039
had the GPS coordinates and all that good stuff. I

979
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.679
mean I'm excited to hear in the future and not

980
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.360
too far off. I mean, this is gonna all happen

981
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.320
pretty quick. I mean you should be able to get

982
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:01.280
some really cool stuff from this of this experiment. It's

983
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.719
really an experiment, you know.

984
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.400
Yeah, you know that AI thing has got me concerned

985
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.719
as well, like you know, and you know, obviously you

986
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:14.119
could recommend people get polaroids, and in our investigation bag

987
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.559
we have polaroid cameras so that, you know, if we're

988
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.639
taking pictures, we at least have a physical medium much

989
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.360
harder to fus within a digital one, right, so it

990
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.360
makes it more compelling.

991
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.280
But one of the team members happens to be a

992
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.719
psychic medium who finds dead people for a living. And

993
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:36.719
she you know, it's a tricky thing because to the

994
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.159
outside observer, you're trying to find something that doesn't exist

995
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.880
with you know, something that doesn't exist, Like if you

996
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.960
don't believe in sasquatch, I probably don't believe in psychic mediums.

997
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.320
But but Jamie is remarkable. She has been basically talking

998
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.440
to dead people since she was eight years old, and

999
00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:00.000
she has clients on five continents. She's helped law enforcement

1000
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.840
across the country and the sheriff out here, the sheriff of.

1001
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.800
Communia County, is willing to help us with our project.

1002
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:11.559
And so you know, we'll be working with her to

1003
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.239
verify some of the things that we're going with as well.

1004
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.800
But it is, like like you said, with this AI,

1005
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.320
it becomes a really challenging It becomes harder and harder

1006
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.360
to believe anything you see on video. And so you know,

1007
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.800
I think that you know this cat. You know, we

1008
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.599
have video of the cat. I've seen video the cat.

1009
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.880
We have seen your law enforcement people who've reported that

1010
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.079
they've seen the cat. To me, you know, we've got

1011
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:41.239
decades of reports and I'm pretty sure, like and you.

1012
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:42.800
Know, people say they see it on their property all

1013
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:43.159
the time.

1014
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.360
And you know, that's one where I'm pretty sure that

1015
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.119
we'll be able to demonstrate that there's a population of

1016
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.480
large back cats currently not recognized by science living here

1017
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.639
in the Gorge by the end of the summer. And

1018
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.079
I feel like we might have a better bet of

1019
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:02.239
proving that cryptid than Bigfoot, because Bigfoot's, like I said, again,

1020
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.599
decades of branding and you know, issues people don't know

1021
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:08.400
if they believe in big black cats or not. And

1022
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.800
if we can, you know, get them exposed to this

1023
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:15.199
idea and then a few months later demonstrates that these

1024
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.360
creatures are actually living out here. We will then show that, yes,

1025
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.400
it is possible for a large mammal to live in

1026
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.440
the United States, undetected or unrecognized by science, and then

1027
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.639
bring that to the foe. And I think that can

1028
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.159
bulldoze a pathway that makes Bigfoot so much more believable.

1029
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:39.000
That makes the mountains of evidence that the creature is real,

1030
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.039
gives people a reason to believe that are taken oother

1031
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.719
look at it, you know. And again, for me, it

1032
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:49.360
all goes down to I'm honestly more interested in validating

1033
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.480
the witnesses than necessarily proving that this stuff exists. Like

1034
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:57.519
that's where my motivation is really centered on this whole project.

1035
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.679
I'm so excited, Like I know, we have to wait

1036
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.320
for the snow to melt out here before we announced

1037
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.639
the workers, but wanting getting hurt. We had two Bigfoot

1038
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.800
searchers die on Christmas because I know they had to

1039
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.320
exposure because they didn't have they weren't properly prepared. So

1040
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:13.880
that's one of the reasons why I'm working with the

1041
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.159
sheriff is we don't want anyone getting hurt out here

1042
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.639
with this project, and so her and I are going

1043
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:20.800
to create some safety videos and things like that. But

1044
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.920
I'm super excited and I really hope that, you know,

1045
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.840
some of the competent people who have this as a

1046
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.760
passion in the life come out to the Gorge and

1047
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.239
you know, those are the people that are going to

1048
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.320
know how to create good footage and help us capture

1049
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.960
you some hopefully stuff that will give the world another

1050
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:43.840
reason to consider this stuff.

1051
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.719
Is it a thing where there's going to be updates

1052
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:53.000
as about the project, like on the Margie's website or

1053
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:54.239
where will that happen?

1054
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.119
Yeah, so yeah, Marge's Outdoorstore. As soon as we were

1055
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.239
ready to start making announcements and given all the conditions

1056
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.159
and everything like that, we'll definitely be on Margi's Outdoorstore

1057
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.480
dot com, Margie's out of Doorstore, on Facebook, on Instagram,

1058
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:14.880
and on YouTube. But the we're going to film all

1059
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.599
of our investigations and put them up on a YouTube

1060
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:23.519
channel called Gorge Mysteries. So not now, but soon there'll

1061
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.320
be a Gorge Mysteries website and Facebook page and YouTube channel.

1062
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.599
And so the idea is that we will film the

1063
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.719
investigations and as quickly as we can, we'll get them out.

1064
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.239
And one of our visions is we would love the

1065
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:41.119
community to help us with the investigations. You know, we

1066
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:44.239
think of it as an online posse. There's some stuff

1067
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:45.960
that you know, we can do as boots on the ground,

1068
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.639
but like when we get UFO sightings or ORB sightings,

1069
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.920
like we would love to have the online community scrub

1070
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.199
the FAA records and the you know, astrological astronomical event

1071
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.639
records and see if you know, we can eliminate any

1072
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.000
of those things. But I love the idea of this

1073
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:08.159
being not my project, but the community's project and finding

1074
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.679
ways for more and more people to get engaged.

1075
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.760
And I mean, at the end of the day, I

1076
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.039
am living the dream.

1077
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:21.840
Like I own successful stores here in the gorge. You know,

1078
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.119
hundreds of people have come to me and told me

1079
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.840
about these extraordinary experiences. I've got this really cool four

1080
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.039
by four that you know, me and my friends dash

1081
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:32.639
off into the woods when we get these reports and

1082
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:40.760
we investigate like these amazing semi mythical phenomena that's out here,

1083
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:46.800
and it's such a joyful, satisfying way to live and

1084
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:50.960
I want this for as many people as possible, you know,

1085
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.119
to live this kind of adventure and to have these

1086
01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.960
it's almost like we're citizen scientists, and there's this sense

1087
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.320
of like actual wonder in the world for us, you know,

1088
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.360
we live in a place where the wonders are real

1089
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:12.119
and the joy and satisfaction of that and it comes from,

1090
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.280
you know, opening a space in your mind where you

1091
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.920
say it's I don't know if these facts are real,

1092
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:24.079
but it's possible. And that's when the dull gray nine

1093
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:29.079
to five world opens up into full color and the

1094
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:33.480
experiences that you get to have are utterly remarkable, and

1095
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:38.079
you know, you feel so much more alive when you

1096
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.199
haven't predetermined that what you're looking for isn't real.

1097
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:43.840
So I love it.

1098
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.639
Oh my goodness, it's very very exciting just to think

1099
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:51.880
I have. I've been thinking that twenty twenty five. There's

1100
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:54.760
some really cool stuff that's going to come out.

1101
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:54.800
In this year.

1102
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.840
And I mean I didn't know anything about about all

1103
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.840
this that you just shared, and I think it's going

1104
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.000
to be absolutely fantastic to see this all take place.

1105
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:08.480
And it's exciting, James, and thank you for sharing it

1106
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:09.800
on my show.

1107
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:10.159
Tonight.

1108
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.039
If any of your audience member want to send me

1109
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:18.360
a note, you can send it to staff at Margie's

1110
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:23.000
Margie Stores dot com. So staff at Margie Stores dot com.

1111
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:25.400
And I think that there's a link on our website

1112
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.119
to any email address that might be the same one.

1113
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:29.920
But like, if you want to get a hold of

1114
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.800
me and you've got some thoughts or ideas you want

1115
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:36.320
to share about what we're doing, yeah, we are asking

1116
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.159
for input because, like I'm a I'm an even comer

1117
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.800
to this bigfoot thing. There are people who've been doing

1118
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.280
this their whole lives and you know, the State of

1119
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.960
Washington tourism, Like I'm trying to introduce them to this idea.

1120
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:52.800
Of paranormal tourism.

1121
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.079
You know, I told them there's a study from Scotland

1122
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:59.719
that says NATSI drives fifty four million dollars a year

1123
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.599
incremental revenue to local businesses and it's Nessi's a huge

1124
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.599
part of their international marketing campaign.

1125
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.360
And I'm not trying to commercialize Sasquatch or aunt of

1126
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.559
these things. What I'm trying to do.

1127
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:19.320
Is give the powers that be an economic interest in

1128
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.400
promoting them and not shuffling it off.

1129
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.880
To the side and saying this isn't real, this is BS.

1130
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.320
But to say, hey, you know what if Washington State

1131
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:34.280
embraces paranormal tourism, and you know, we have elected officials

1132
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:36.880
who are endorsing some of these things that we're finding,

1133
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:41.519
or we're giving them reasons to care and not just

1134
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.159
you know, put us at the kid table. I think

1135
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.239
that that's where you start to get some of those

1136
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.039
things that you were talking about earlier, like can these

1137
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.199
government officials come forward and talk about this kind of

1138
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.960
stuff like right now? They have no incentive to do that.

1139
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.760
And again with my mission of validating the true witnesses,

1140
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:08.000
like I'm there's no reason to stop or to pull punches,

1141
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.280
you know, Like in addition to all my outdoor awesomeness,

1142
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:14.559
you know, I spent thirty years you know, as a

1143
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:19.719
businessman and doing you know, international global projects. I know

1144
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.679
how to speak of financial language to people and make

1145
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.559
it worth their while to give them incentives to do things.

1146
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.760
And so for me, like this is kind of what

1147
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.440
my mission in life is right now. But I can't

1148
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.119
do it alone, and I need help from people who

1149
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:40.760
are wiser than me, who've been doing this longer, who.

1150
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.719
Have you know, fallen into all the all the pits

1151
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.920
and climb their way out and can help the whole community.

1152
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.800
But anyway, I'm I'm super excited about it.

1153
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.960
I love it. Yeah, and you're definitely talking to the

1154
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.880
right community. I'm sure there'll be many people that will

1155
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.840
We'll reach out to you with ideas and I'll have

1156
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.719
all the links and everything that people want to check

1157
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.880
out in the descriptions show notes of this episode. But

1158
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.679
you know, James Shubski has been just a privilege to

1159
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.559
talk to you tonight, and thank you for sharing your

1160
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:22.039
heart enough for what you've been and what you've been

1161
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:26.360
figuring out about the Gorge and mysteries of the Gorge.

1162
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.400
And it'll be very cool to see where this goes next.

1163
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.880
Yeah, again, thank you for lending your platform to me

1164
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.159
to be able to talk about this kind of stuff

1165
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.159
and communicate with the people who care passionately about it.

1166
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:42.199
So thank you.

1167
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.239
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1168
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.360
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1169
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:52.559
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1170
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.199
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1171
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.679
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01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.800
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1173
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.079
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01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:10.320
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all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

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someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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the north part. If you get what I mean. I'll

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see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

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July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going to be fantastic.

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July eleventh through twelfth in Greenwaters Park and Oakridge, Oregon.

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And listeners, if you're going to go, you can get

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a two day ticket for the cost of one if

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you use the code b F S like Bigfoot Society

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but BFS and it'll get used some off your cost.

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Priscilla was nice enough to provide that for my listeners.

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So there you go.

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I look forward to seeing you there, so make sure

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you head over to www dot Sasquatch Summerfest dot com

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and pick up your tickets today