Country, the Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter (Encounter Archives)

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show. Hey, you're about to
hear a archive episode from about a year

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ago with Country the Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty
Hunter. This one I have just left

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in its original state so you can
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time. Yeah, I'm not really
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hey, sit back, enjoy this
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enough chit chat. Let's get on
with the show, all right, Big

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for Society. I've got the privilege
of talking to a gentleman who came to

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me through Facebook Messenger. He is
from the state of Oklahoma. He's got

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some very interesting things to share.
His name is Country the Country. How's

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it going? That's going great?
Little warm out here this season? Oh

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man, I hear you. We're
burning up in Iowa. But I'm sure

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it's older down there. Oh yeah, we had yesterday it was one hundred

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and twenty one heat in Dicks so
it was pretty hot. Wow. That

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is And you're in a well,
I mean there's different parts of Oklahoma,

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right, I'm in the local mountains, Okay, yeah, so south southern

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Oklahoma just above Texas, right,
yeah, I call it south central,

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Southern southern, south central, all
right, all right, yep, I'm

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familiar with the southeast corner, as
you can imagine. I talked to a

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few people from over there, so
you're the first that I've talked to from

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the Arbuckle Mountains area, so that's
pretty cool. I've talked to a gentleman

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over in the western part of the
state as well, but excited to talk

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to you tonight. So it sounds
like you have quite the history. But

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how did things start out with you
with Interrution. Well, we lived in

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We lived in Pittsburgh County back all
since eighty four. The incident there probably

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happened in when I was thirteen.
I'm forty three now, so you can

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do the math. I was bot
hunting and it was just about dark.

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I hadn't seen a whole lot,
you know, it's pretty quiet evening hunt,

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you know, usually see quite a
bit, but not that evening.

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I noticed a few of the birds
and stuff kind of just shut up all

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of a sudden, and they was
looking back to my east down the creek

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Coal Creek, So I looked that
way. I picked up my binoculars and

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I didn't see nothing. I think, oh, it's probably hogs or a

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deer coming through, or bobcat,
you know, the way they shut up.

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I didn't see nothing. And it
went two or three minutes. A

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lot was fading pretty quick. Then
all of a sudden, I noticed the

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movement through the trees right along the
creek edge. I picked up my binoculars

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and looked, and I immediately knew
it was not a deer. It was

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not a bear. I wasn't real
sure what it was because it still had

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a little bit of brush it stepped
on out there. It was just cosmic

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kind of strolling down the bank,
just pedal farting around, and it stopped

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when the wind shifted from my face
to just slightly over my shoulders blowing right

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to it. It stopped. It
picked its head up. It looked like

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it was smell in the air,
like a deer would do. Or you

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know, an animal, and I
froze. It was pretty good sized,

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probably eight and a half. And
I could tell it was a female,

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I believe it or not. It
had mammary glands. That's actually well.

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I got to see it, very
flat faced, not much of a cone,

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but it was. There was a
ridge there, but it could have

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been here. It wasn't. Just
the most well groomed animal that you would

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see in the in the woods.
She throwed her head up and started swaying

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back and forth slightly and looking around
and checking her back trail. For some

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reason. She finally the wind just
kind of picked up a little bit more

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and it was just too much.
She ducked down off into the creek,

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and all I could see was the
top of her shoulders in her head,

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and she kept peeking up over the
top of the bank and looking. Uh.

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She never did see me. Uh, But once she cleared me about

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two hundred yards, I heard her
come back up into the woods about even

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with me on the creek bank,
and she screamed. And I did not

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do nothing. I waited till dark. I planned to sit there and tell

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plumb into well the next daylight the
next morning, before I climbed down,

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and of course I knew my parents
should get a little worried, but nothing

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new for me to come strolling in
two or three, four o'clock in the

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morning, you know, from being
hunting. But so I wasn't too worried.

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But about eleven o'clock I seen a
light up there on top of the

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mountain, which is about about a
mile and three quarters away. It's pretty

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steep mountain, you see it.
And I could barely make you mount hollering

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for me. I did not say
a word. I sit there until he

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come down there to where I was
at, and it was my dad.

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I told him, I said,
Dad, you shouldn't be up there or

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down on the ground. There's the
bigfoots here. He said, Oh,

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they ain't gonna bother you. They
never bothered you before. Come on down.

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And when I hit the ground,
she screamed again, and another one

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screamed, and then another one screamed, and then whoops, all down the

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ridge he just come off of and
we kind of just he just said,

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just keeps close to me, as
a matter of fact, just put your

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finger in my back belt loop and
we'll just go right the way we come

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out down here. I didn't hunt
that bottom for several years. He made

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me stay on top of the mountain
after that, close to the house for

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several years. So that was the
first incident. A few sorry, can

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I ask you a few questions?
That is really intense. So you you

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were pretty much surrounded by a Sasquatch. We were surrounded for a good two

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and a half to three miles up
and down the creek. I would say

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there was at least a dozen or
more, uh individuals that rang out that

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night. And that's that's what That's
why she was checking her back trail.

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Do you feel that's you know,
Oh, yes, No, they didn't

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know I was in there. They
didn't know I was in there, or

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they wouldn't even have showed theirselves because
we we hadn't had Uh, we've had

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you know, strange things happen.
You know, you've heard the stuff,

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you know, bumping on the glass, bumping on the house, you know,

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throwing stuff up on the porch.
Uh. They would leave gifts pretty

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often. And now, of course
I didn't know this until I got up

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into oh my mid thirties, but
my dad had been feeding the dang things,

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so he knew about him. He
knew. He knew very well about

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him, and he kept him secret
even from me, And I was probably

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the favorite son. You know,
we hunted together, fish together. I

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mean I was on his side constantly. Uh, And he didn't tell me

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until you know, he started getting
downhill, and then he told me what

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he knew, and which by that
time I had already acquired a mass of

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information on the things I want to
say. Just being out in the woods,

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real quick to the listener for context
of where we're talking, this is.

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You already said this is Pittsburgh County, and this is two counties to

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the west of Laflora County in Oklahoma, just so people realize, yeah,

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yeah, there's a lot of mining, coal mining that went on in that

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particular mountain had lots of old mines
and stuff in it. A lot of

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them were collapsed at the instance.
But I'm sure if you knew the woods

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better than I did, you know, you probably knew where to get in.

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And they probably hit it too.
You know, they're not dumb animals.

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I mean when they'll climb up and
stick a deer in the top of

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a one hundred and seventy five foot
red oak tree and it's seventy five foot

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off the ground. All you can
see it is the head sticking over the

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top and there ain't no claw marks
on it. What done it? Is

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that something you've you've seen yourself?
Yeah, they do it a lot down

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there. They stick them down there
all the time. It's nothing. You'd

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be walking what that's now, if
you don't look up, you're probably not

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going to notice it. But nine
times that ten, it's one of their

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They put it in the deal.
And the reason I believe they do that

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is because all the bears. I
don't have any proof on that though,

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but that they like to stick them
in the trees up there or down there,

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I should say here, they don't
do that. They kill it and

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it's it's probably eat that night down
arbuckle. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.

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Do you think you're f other had
interactions with the Sasquatch back when you were

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thirteen, Like it sounded like he
knew what was going on. Oh yeah,

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he he. He had other incidents
as my parents. My my sister

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had an incident with my mom and
my dad. They were camped out down

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at McGee Creek before the lake had
even filled up. Really uh, and

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it's screamed. Now they didn't.
They didn't come into camp that they said,

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it just the scream. Uh.
My sister run off into the tent

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and they they left out that morning, you know, the following morning they

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moved camp. So what Dad said, Oh, this is going to be

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seventies, early seventies. Girl.
I've talked to multiple people about McGee Creek

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and it's it's a very it's a
dangerous, crazy hot spot. Dangerous.

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It's dangerous. They're they're they're crazy
down there. Them squatches are dangerous.

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Uh, don't trust them. I'm
assuming it's because of all the people in

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and around the public there. That's
the only thing I could think of,

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because you don't have a whole lot
of people, you don't have a whole

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lot of anger. Or if they're
in town. There's a lot of places

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like Sulfur that they come into town
quite a bit at night. And another

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place another town north of Sulfur Paul's
Valley, which is straight up by thirty

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five and it sets right on the
wash of Tall River. Most of your

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fast food is within a quarter mile
to a half mile of the river banks,

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and it's all open on the town
side. You know, it's all

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fields pretty much. And I've actually
seen them driving down the road early crack

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of daylight morning, you know,
just barely make everything out, you know,

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if you see deer up there,
four five hundred dards, you can

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see deer, but there's no cows
where these are at. And it's just

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past the high school too. There's
a slew right there, and they were

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right on the deal of it,
and they were sitting there there, and

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there was three of them, big, and they were all black as far

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as I could tell, but their
color varies as the sun hit it a

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little bit, so black would probably
be the color was low light. You

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know, what have you heard from
McGee Creek that makes you think that that

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area is so dangerous for Sasquatch.
Well, there's people that's been missing and

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still missing for the last fifty sixty
years down there. It just doesn't happen

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a whole lot. It's not like
some of the It doesn't give publicity as

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much publicity because of its region.
You know, it's small town. Everybody's

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pretty tight in it. If you
don't know anybody, you're probably not going

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to get it on a place unless
you have a bunch of cash. You

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know, money talks down there because
they're poor. You know, it's just

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logging industry for the most part down
there, sure, and deer hunting at

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least's you know, that's what they
do. Do you know of a place

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called Booger Hollow? Sure, there's
also a place on you follow like you

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follow, that we call Booger Bottoms. It's a creek, it's uh,

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it's got a lot of cattails in
towards the mouth though, But once you

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get about a mile and a half
back up in the creek from off the

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lake, you're in prime territory.
Uh, You'll you'll have something happen,

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usually within two or three nights there. And I grew up graduated at a

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Crowder Okay, So I mean I
know that late all that region down through

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there, plumb down to Eagle Town, plumb down to you know, the

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Red River, we're all over it. So you're saying that in Booger Hollow,

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you're there two or three nights,
you'll have stuff happen. Or do

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you mean the bottoms the bottoms Burger
Bottoms, donner On like you follow.

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Yeah, have you heard anything specifically
about that has happened in Booger hollow,

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not specifically. I don't know a
whole lot of people there. The people

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that I knew I was a kid, old man jelly that lived down around

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Red Oak. Uh. That place
has squatches on it, and he uh,

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he told to say it was when
the first time we come in there

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camping. Uh. He says,
I don't take something. Guys don't to

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be shooting my wild people. I
kind of thought that funny, and dad

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knew what it meant. You know, he'd been in there several times.

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But Jilly coming in there and kind
of warned his kids not to be shooting

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anything on two legs. So he
he actually said, go shooting my wild

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people. Yeah. Wow, his
his daughter, Uh no, I probably

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I better not kill that. And
we'll just we'll just put it this way.

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They're related, Okay, we'll put
it that way. There's there's a

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relation there. We'll leave that.
What is a country? If as we're

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talking, if there's anything you need
me to cut out, I will cut

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it out afterwards. I don't feel
like you're you're gonna get trapped. Yeah,

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most it's pretty well general knowledge down
around her part. I mean they

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know uh uh, you know,
you come to the house and your family.

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You're going to see it. Uh
you know, it stays in the

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house. Let's put it that way. Uh So, but yeah, they

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can't they can mix. Let's put
it that way. That's and that's the

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thing we can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about that. We

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don't need to talk about that.
Government doesn't need to hear about that.

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Oh boy, okay, and they
probably already know. Yeah, well we'll

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leave that there, but you can
pretty much get it all right. Well

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let's move on then. Wow,
s same county two years later. Uh

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Now I had seen seen them.
Uh just you know, one hundred two

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hundred yards, just stuff moving through
the woods. You know, nothing nothing

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aggressive, Uh, nothing that I
would be overly concerned about. I mean

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we were still taking game and uh
you know when we was growing up,

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you brought game home every time you
come in, you know, or or

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you may not got to eat that
night some weeks. You know, just

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depend big for a society who will
be right back after these messages. It

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was tight. But so we was
deer hunting. I was sitting on the

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same pensilne. Matter of fact,
it was the very same tree stand A

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deer had come down through there,
and then another deer, and then another

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deer, just kind of normal.
Then finally the deer I wanted to shoot,

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nice, nice ten point probably one
hundred and thirty inch, you know,

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back then and in the early nineties, it was that was a big

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deer. Now I think so much, but I was. I was glad

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to shoot it, and I shot
it. I seen it fall, you

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know, fifty seventy five yards down
through there. I've seen it chip over.

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But at about five minutes later I
also heard something walk walk where the

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thing had screened at. And what
it is, let me give you a

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little better picture. It's a great
big bend in the creek, makes a

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great big white horseshoe in the creek
there and where it starts to swing back,

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there's probably three and a half acre's
river cane in there, and there's

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a big tunnels. I always thought
the pigs had done it, because the

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pigs used it quite a bit too. Uh. After I got a little

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older, I learned not to go
around the river cane so much. They

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kind of like hang out in there
in the daytime. Uh So that thing

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come out of the river cane.
I didn't see it, but I could

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see my dad coming because he heard
me shoot. He was, you know,

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four five hundred yards away back on
to the other end of the the

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horseshoe there, sitting on another bottle
neck well. He was walking down through

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there. He was pushing deer my
way, hogs my way. I didn't

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shoot anything else, and he looked
up at me and said, get it.

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I said, yeah, I think
something picked up though. He looked,

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well, let's come on, let's
go to the house. No,

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No, it's a big deer.
We're gonna we're gonna go see if we

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can't see it anyways, and maybe
scare it, maybe they'll drop it.

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That's and that's nothing best idea.
I was pretty stubborn, you know.

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I had had a rifle in the
hand. I thought I was, you

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know, tough. We pursued on
several hundred yards turned into about three and

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a half miles. Once we got
into the area, we crossed the big

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slew that the the water treatment plant
had made because the pipe leaked real bad.

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It's they've since destroyed that old waterman
plant and everything, but so it's

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kind of dried up back in there
now a little bit. But once we

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crossed that, that main creek that
fed it in into it. I knowed

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where it was going because that's where
the coal mines and stuff was at.

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And I mean we could see it
two or three times, you know,

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sevney five yards, one hundred and
ten yards, just depending on the brush

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down through there. You know,
it's kind of kind of opened along the

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creek once you got thirty forty yards
off the creek where the floodplain didn't clear

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it out every you know, every
time it got up it was much much

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sticker, and it was it was
traveling the edge of that. So the

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tracks is pretty easy most of the
time in that bottom land. I was

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leaving tracks about three and a half
to four inches deep, where me and

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Dad was only leaving about an eighth
of an inch, just barely making march,

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you know, considerably big. That's
man, we shouldn't we shouldn't be

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going after that's a big track.
I said, well we got to do

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something. I said, bull crap, I said, burne, I can't

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even kill a deer, because I
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And I said, you know,
well, you know it is what

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it is. It's just how you
live with them. You just don't do

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nothing. They don't do nothing.
Yeah, well we're doing something because he

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done something. We ended up track
ended up there and we could hear multiple

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animals on this slat just below the
where this mine was at. I said,

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I don't know, Dad, that's
that's kind of crazy. He said,

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Man, just he said, don't
take your gun. If you're going

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to walk up there. He says, make sure you let him know you're

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coming. So we're we haven't even
crossed the creek yet. In a whistle

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goes out, so we've already been
made. I just said, hey,

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that's my deer. And I heard
it sounded like a herd of elephants standing

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up and running up up to the
deal. But we could see a few

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of them going through the cedars and
and you know, the open stuff.

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But there were several that didn't.
Uh so we you know, one ahead

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and took a couple of steps,
and when I did, it stopped over

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the side. And I mean when
it roared, it it literally moved the

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hair on my head and face.
Uh, it was loud. I said,

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hey, that's my deer. And
it looked at me again and roared

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and looked at Dad and seen the
gun, and then it really roared.

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I mean this thing you almost it
was almost so much it made you nauseously

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because of the vibration on the inside
of you, if that makes sense to

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you. It almost turned our stomachs. It was that loud. Of course

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I'm shacking, I said, if
as I am, Max the move just

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suit it in the head Dad,
And of course, Dad, I don't

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know whether you heard me or not. I took two steps up and to

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where I could see up on the
flat and I pointed to the deer and

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it looked at the deer, looked
at me snarled. I looked back at

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the deer, it's my deer.
And I reached to go grab another limb

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and take a step up in it. Well, Dad shot and missed it

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about an inch and a half.
Well he'd looked at my Dad and tapped

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its head like damn, that was
close, you know. I mean,

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the thing had fear in its eyes. I said mine, I said mine,

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that's mine. I got to eat
too, you know. And it

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looked at me like it understood what
I was wanting. And all I got

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was a leg. It stepped over
there in about two steps. It was

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probably twelve thirteen yards from him,
but two steps or so, themped over,

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tore the back leg off and slung
it right into my chest and set

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me right back into the creek.
That said, take your leg, get

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your gun, let's go. And
we were escorted out from the ridge line.

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They were making a point to show
that to be seen upon that ridge

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line, and they followed us up
to the high line that goes down off

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in there that we took in and
out, and at that point they stopped

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and when we went up the hill
they turned around and went back down.

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And after that we it was it
wasn't so much being harassed as it was,

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uh every time we come to the
woods, they were always there.

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I mean it was you just couldn't
get away from. I don't care where

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you went, they knew you was
there. It was crazy. I mean

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it was that's it. As long
as they're not hurting. Yeah, not

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the tack. He said, just
keep doing your deal. They're just checking

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you out. And so that's what
we did. And Dad said, uh,

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well I had one. That's you
know. It was the next year,

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that following February, after they took
the deer, I was fishing the

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slew pond back there, catching channel
cat on steak bait. And it was

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cold, cold, cold, and
I don't know, I had probably twenty

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five thirty catfish. You know,
nobody gonna regulate it. You know,

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a young man how many fish he
had? Uh? And I was just

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about getting ready to go, And
I mean I had another little bite there,

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and I picked up the rod.
When I picked up the rod,

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a hand reached out of the brush
because the brush was just cleared by beavers.

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You know, it wasn't much,
you know, a couple of foot

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wide tops before you stepped into you
know, eight to twenty foot tall saplings

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that were so fit that cottontails couldn't
get in it. I never heard nothing,

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I never saw nothing. I never
smelt nothing until the hand touched me

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on the shoulder and rolled me back, and he just picked picked my stringer

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up with two fingers. Mind you
smiled real big and walked off. Well,

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crap, that sucks. That's a
lot of work. I mean I

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had a heck of a stringer catfish. So I just well, I don't

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know nothing else to do it and
start catching fish. That told me to

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bring fish home. You know,
I still had plenty of time. I

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started catching more fish Kenner loved more
catfish, and I went to the house

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carrying him on sticks. I strung
him up. That's what I had to

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use. As I come around the
bend in this access road that come off

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from the o wah trooping plant,
there's my stringer hanging up in the tree.

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So I strung up my fish and
went on about my rat killing to

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the house. I told Dad,
Dad, don't tell mom. He said

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he might call. Shouldn't go catfishing
for a while down there. He said

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it might be kind of tough for
him right now, said, might just

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soon take you instead of the catfish. I said, well. He smiled

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when he took him, and he
was real polite. He said, what

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do you mean he was plied?
I said. He only used two fingers

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and held his pinky yet like he
was drinking a cup from an Englishman.

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He said, you're a kidding.
I said, nope, I said.

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He turned around and walked off.
I said, And it wasn't the big

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guy. He says, oh,
I said, so, what was there

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a female? Say no, it
was a male. Dad. I know

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for sure, because it was standing
right over the top of me pretty much.

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He said, well, smile,
that's just he smiled. I said,

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there's a stringer. He gave me
a stringer back by the time I

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caught my fish and made it around, you know, I told them the

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story, and he just like,
Yeah, from this point on, just

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start leaving half of everything you take
from the woods. So if you shoot

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thirty squirrels, fifteen of it goes
to them. And so that's what we

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started doing, or I started doing. And at this point in time,

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you know, Dad was He always
told me he was jumping the creek,

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but I think he was taking the
hog pellets down there and feeding the ding

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squatches. I really do it.
Sounds like you got a really good look

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at the face of the sasquatch multiple
times. Can you describe it? Yeah?

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A lot of you guys get it. A lot of you guys get

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it so wrong. I've never seen
anything that looked even remotely close to a

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gorilla. Uh. It's it's a
freaking neanderthal, is what it is.

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That's what it is. It's a
Neanderthal. I don't care if the bones

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tell you different. It's a it's
a big giant neanderthal. It looks just

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like a neanderthal. It's a man. I mean there's no, there's no

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it's got a big, bulbous nose. Some of them are flats. I

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mean it's a it's a it's an
anthol, that's what it is. Just

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big, just big, you know. I gotta hand it to your father.

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He It sounds like in all these
accounts he is reacting with just a

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calmness to him. But also you
can tell that he has had some interactions

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over the year, like he knows
about them a lot. He was not

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surprised by much. Yeah. I
figured probably since the fifties or sixties,

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because he had made mentioned that when
he was a little kid, he shot

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a bear in the Tabletops, which
is west of Elmore City in the little

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North and he said it was a
honey bear, he said, but the

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honey bear was eleven but long.
I was like, yeah, well,

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what was you drinking, dad?
He said, I wasn't drinking, and

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I don't think it was a bear. He said. It crawled off in

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the brush and I turned around and
I left. I said, oh.

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He said he went back and looked
to see if but that he could never

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get off in that brush pile,
you know, he said, when he

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crawled off in the brush, pile. It raised it up, So that

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says brush pail. He means probably
something pushed by a bulldozer or something.

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Knowing my dad, a big you
know, a pile of trees. Wow.

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And this is in Pittsburgh County.
Uh No, this that would I'm

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not really sure what county that is. That's in the tabletops where that where

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he had that happened. What we
what I've been discussing right now has been

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in the Pittsburgh The only places I've
had any any sidings in Oklahoma has been

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Pittsburgh. Uh. The couple down
in in Macintosh Can which is above it

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on the river that we was coming
out of the woods and they crossed out

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in the field. There was two
of them, a big one and a

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little one I would say, mom, and a young one. You know.

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Didn't get a great look at them, just you could just tell it

407
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was what it was, you know. It's I mean down there, that's

408
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.440
those things are fairly common. I
mean, no, most folks ain't gonna

409
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.680
talk about them, but yeah,
a lot of folks see them down there

410
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:25.559
a lot, way more than it's
coming out. Every time that you've seen

411
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.000
them, has it come to your
mind that hey, this looks like a

412
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:33.880
Neanderthal or have there been times where
every time, every time, okay,

413
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.880
every time, every time they look
like a Neanderthalt, big, big,

414
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:44.000
kresty forehead. You know, it's
big, it's very masculine, very thick.

415
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.599
The jaws are thick, very square, teeth are squared. Never seen

416
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.440
knines you. I mean, they
got came down, but they look just

417
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.519
like ours. They're not much there. I mean, it's not like I

418
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.680
don't know where these folks is getting
the three inch fangs and stuff at.

419
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:04.599
Maybe a different thing. I don't
know, but I mean, Jimmy Christmas,

420
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.920
when you sit down and meet deer
jerky with them, I think I

421
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.200
know what they look like. I
mean, so yeah, let's talk about

422
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:19.839
that then. So you have actually
sat down with some individuals. I was.

423
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:29.000
I was homeless, uh several years
back here in a garbing cam uh,

424
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.880
one of my dad's friends. I
just kind of I didn't really ask.

425
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.279
I just kind of popped the tent
and made my made my place there.

426
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:37.200
You know, A hunt on it, fished on it. I know

427
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.720
that'd be okay as long as that's
the only place I had to go and

428
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:41.680
it, yeah, I did.
That was the only place I had to

429
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.359
go at the time. Ah,
So I don't know. I've been there

430
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.319
a month or two. Nope,
nothing, I ain't seen nothing, ain't

431
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.359
hurt nothing. I never felt nothing, you know, never smelt nothing,

432
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.559
never seen tracks. All sudden one
night there was a whoop down on the

433
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.200
bottom. I wooped back like a
dummy, and it come up there.

434
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:08.400
And from then on it was up
there almost every night. And it sat

435
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.920
and it watched. That's all it
done. It just sat on its haunches

436
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.640
and it watched. And so I
don't know, several several weeks went by.

437
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.839
I hadn't had no nothing out of
it, you know, it hadn't

438
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.079
had really seen it in a week
or so in the daylight. Don't put

439
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.039
it that way. In the daylight, you can hear it walking around outside

440
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:30.839
down in the grass and stuff,
but you couldn't see it with no light.

441
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.240
Well, I decided I was going
to go down to the pond,

442
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.119
which is about one hundred one hundred
and twenty yards straight in front of me,

443
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.960
heading back towards the Paul's Valley,
matter of fact, towards the river,

444
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.680
falling down airy fishing, and it's
it had a few smaller fishing.

445
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.160
It need to be cold out a
little bit, you know, hadn't been

446
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.720
harvested enough, you know, out
of it over the years. So I

447
00:30:55.759 --> 00:31:00.200
was throwing the fish over the bank. And when this bank is sold sixty

448
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.720
five foot to the bottom of the
ravine down there. But it's nice grade,

449
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.200
you know, it's it was built. So I'm just tossing over my

450
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.119
back, not thinking much of it, and I hear something down there lot

451
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.640
there's a deer or something in behind
me, and said it said one more.

452
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.440
And when it said one more,
I just set my rod down and

453
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.000
looked over, you know, climbed
up the bank there and looked over,

454
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.559
and it was sitting there, the
same thing that had been sitting there watching

455
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.079
me every night. They said one
more and giving me one finger. I

456
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.279
thought, hop the hell. Uh, So I dropped back over the dell

457
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.799
and said, okay, you know, I was kind of shooking up.

458
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.640
As long as you're eating the fish
and not me, we're cool. Uh,

459
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.680
you know. So I pitched another
great big perch over and this time

460
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.400
he hopped up around the top of
the bank and was sitting there. Uh,

461
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.559
and he waited for the fish.
This time, I thought Jimminy Christmas

462
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.119
said you. I just kind of
looked at him, and he didn't look

463
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.039
mad or nothing. He just was
wiggling his toes, waiting on the next

464
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.759
fish. I mean, that's the
he looked like he was anticipating a meal.

465
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.039
I mean, for free, like
I had nothing, no problems with

466
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.240
him or nothing, you know,
like he knew me from day one.

467
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:29.039
Big for a SOCIETYHO would be right
back after these messages. I mean,

468
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.759
that's the way he was treating me. So I kept catching fish, and

469
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.599
when I throwed the big crappie in
the basket, he kind of grunted at

470
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.920
me. I said, oh,
I got to eat too. And he

471
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.319
walked down there and looked in the
basket and picked him up and looked at

472
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.359
me, and he set the basket
back down. He's he kind of walked

473
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.039
in a little closer in behind him
and sat down. I kept the fishing,

474
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.720
kept the fishing. Finally, carton
ice crappie. I tossed up her

475
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.720
TOOI this time, and he eat
it up, got up and didn't say

476
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.839
nothing, didn't make a noise,
and just walked off into the woods,

477
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.039
plumbed down to the river where I
couldn't hear him no more. And I

478
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:07.200
didn't see him for three or four
days. So the next encounter was probably

479
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.680
I see I went to church that
Sunday, so I guess it was Tuesday

480
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.720
night. Uh. The wife,
my now wife, she come out and

481
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:22.960
brought me dinner and everything, and
she's gonna stay tonight. So she stayed

482
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.240
tonight. She got up to pee. Uh, she screamed. I mean

483
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.279
that's all there was to it.
She'd never seen one. Uh, So

484
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.480
I stuck my head out the window
the deal and said what's oh hey the

485
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:40.240
guy and he turned and just walked
off. She come back into the tent

486
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.279
and sat back down. She was
pretty shaken. Said I think I'm just

487
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.680
gonna leave. I said, okay, she says you're going to go.

488
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.880
I said, no, he don't
bother me, none, I said,

489
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.680
And he had been hanging out.
I said, he's all right. I

490
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.119
said, I'll let you know.
You know, if it gets worse or

491
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.759
anything like that, or he gets
to being a turd, and uh,

492
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.480
he said, okay, Well,
I think I'm gonna leave. I can't

493
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.279
be around those That thing was hideous. I said, yeah, they're pretty

494
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.320
ugly. I said, then if
you're not used to it. You know,

495
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:13.719
they're pretty scary. So she laughed
and I did. I didn't see

496
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.719
him that night. Uh well,
anyways, Uh, I was cooking deer

497
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.159
leg uh you know, pieces of
it on the on the grill, and

498
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.440
it come up, and when it
come up, it looked up and saw

499
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.840
the meat and it just kind of
pointed out to me. I just kind

500
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.559
of waved it done over. It
would stopped, turned around, the whistled

501
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:37.239
and made a little cooky noise and
kind of I don't know what you would

502
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:42.440
call it, a little gargle type
of sound. And I heard two other

503
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:47.119
things set down in the world.
So I handed him over the meat that

504
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.159
was on the deal there, and
he kept looking over at the rest of

505
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.239
the deer. I said, just
take what you want, you know,

506
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.920
and he pulled the old deer right
off into the woods. Whole thing that

507
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.159
ain't cool. And so it didn't
even leave me meat because I didn't give

508
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.519
him what was already on the grill. Uh. So, well, they

509
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.960
come back and he brought some of
my deer back. Okay, the front

510
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.159
two legs is all I got off
that deer. Well, I filled off

511
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.039
there and you know, I got
my belly full anyways, and made jerky

512
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.400
out of the rest of it.
That's what I stayed up doing the rest

513
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.519
of the night. Next morning,
he was sitting up there camp waiting for

514
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.239
me to get up and looking at
it, looking at the jerky. Uh,

515
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.880
well, crap, that's my breakfast. And he looked over at me

516
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.719
and he just kind of kind of
up on his toes and down like,

517
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.400
Hi, how you doing. Didn't
say nothing, didn't grunk, didn't do

518
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.679
nothing, didn't no hand gesture,
just and looked right back to the meat.

519
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.880
And I walked over and I got
me a piece of hand at the

520
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.679
hand he just plopped down, just
grabbed a couple more pieces off there,

521
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.280
and then whistled. And when he
whistled, Uh, there was four more

522
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.239
come out of the woods. Uh. There were one female and two smaller

523
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.320
ones. One was probably the smaller
of the two, was probably about four

524
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.400
and a half foot, and another
one was about six. The mona was

525
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.039
the right added it, and he
was setting in about nine and a half

526
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.960
ten foot massive and five and a
half foot of the shoulders. Uh,

527
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.480
probably a good three in three and
a half almost four at the hips.

528
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:19.440
Big big, big, big boy, big boy, and he's the big

529
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.599
guy. He didn't like me.
He just he said, and just was

530
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.719
showing teeth the whole time. I'd
look over and he turned his head and

531
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.440
like that, you know, not
aggressive, but I would say that he

532
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.800
wasn't very interested in being there,
but somebody else was up there getting food

533
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.320
for him, so he come up
there. This went on. They tested

534
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.639
me every night after that. I
mean it was they had come up whistle

535
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.360
tap on the tent. If I
wouldn't get out of tent, the big

536
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.079
guy would unzip the tent, hold
the door open, and the guy that

537
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:53.760
I was feeding. Uh, he
would jerk me out by my ankle,

538
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:59.639
not hard, just grabbing him and
pull me out and hip clap do something.

539
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.199
You know. He wanted to he
wanted to hang out. Uh.

540
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.639
You know, of course I let
him go through everything. You know,

541
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.119
they didn't find no food, lost
interest in me, and they'd shove off.

542
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:15.400
Uh. This this went on almost
nightly to every other couple of four

543
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.039
nights or so. There'd be a
day or two they'd be they wouldn't be

544
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.920
there, and I'd get some sleep. Ah. He got to the point

545
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.280
where I was sleeping in the daytime
and up with them their jerks of a

546
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.119
night. Uh, it was crazy. They well, that wasn't all of

547
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.320
them, that's the thing. That
wasn't all of them. There was nine

548
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:39.199
total. One male, very large, uh probably eleven foot, very long

549
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.639
haired, uh silver, silver's white. No hand on one on one side

550
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.800
on his left side. Matter of
fact, it was gone about mid four

551
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:55.239
no no hand lost the scars.
So I think he was the top alpha

552
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.119
before. That's kind of what I
thought. So that means there's other ones

553
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.639
around there. Well, anyways,
they got to where they was learned how

554
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.320
to open my truck up. That
was interesting. I come into the camp

555
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:13.400
from going and taking a shower up
the road at the local city lake,

556
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.679
and I come back and everything and
my truck was tore out, clothes,

557
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.320
food, what they didn't like,
they just stomped it. I saw gee

558
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:29.599
Is then the one of the females
come in there, and she tried to

559
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.360
tell them who it was, but
she was pointing the tracks, and you

560
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:37.239
know, and I didn't pay much
attention to the tracks. I was seeing

561
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.239
them every day. You know,
kind of lose interest in tracks when you

562
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:46.599
got the thing sitting there, you
know, M I want to go back

563
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.320
to something you said, So you
said there was a time where your tent

564
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.199
was unzipped and it dragged you out
of the tent. Yeah, no,

565
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:02.639
it was zipped. The biggest mail
he unzipped it held the door was to

566
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.159
hel the flap open, and the
one that was friendly to me. He

567
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.880
reached in there every time by the
ankle, very gently and would just pull,

568
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.960
you know, just like he used
to pull your kid across the floor

569
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.960
right on out. Of course,
then all that it got to be kind

570
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.280
of comical for a while, and
then it got to be kind of annoying.

571
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.800
When you know, you know,
you just didn't want to get up,

572
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.320
you tell him know, and he
would be a little more forceful.

573
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.239
And then it got to where he
was rolling me out across the deal some

574
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.159
nights, you know, because I
didn't well, I was having seen it

575
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.559
wasn't feeling good. So this went
on the way see him, I don't

576
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.719
know, numerous times, uh,
in and out, daytime, nighttime.

577
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.880
I mean, it didn't matter.
Uh the guy that owns it, he

578
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.480
swears and down there's nothing in there, But yet he won't come and mow

579
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.239
anymore. Over there, I do
all the mowing. Okay, so uh

580
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:59.320
yeah, it is and this happened, uh when uh, after I had

581
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.960
moved out. He I'm thinking that
he drove in and thought it was they

582
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.880
thought it was me, and they
stepped out in the road. That's kind

583
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.960
of what I'm thinking, because I
mean that's how it got to be.

584
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.119
Why to pull in the truck.
I mean, they was already coming out

585
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.239
to meet me. I mean it
was crazy. Wow, is that you

586
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.920
got to see? This place is
thick. I mean it's thick, you

587
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.440
know, and it's there's houses all
around them except for along the river.

588
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:29.639
I mean it's crazy. I mean
they got right up in town. I

589
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.320
mean they come up hearts the lake
occasionally, you know, and and this

590
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.880
around the lake coast. He's got
stories so which is pretty common. I

591
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:43.639
mean this this is the same area
that they found the Paul's Valley giant skeletons.

592
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.199
Matter of fact, I'm about h
three quarters of them mile from the

593
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.440
exact location where they found them.
And I'm not familiar with with that,

594
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.800
but I could probably guess a very
large skeleton that was found. I'm guessing

595
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:05.679
numerous very large scalp and six toes, six fingers. These these only have

596
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:12.159
five though the creatures that you had
five. Yeah, they only have five,

597
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:22.480
only have five? Okay, yeah, very interesting. Did you ever

598
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.599
try to take a picture of them
or did you. Well, every time

599
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.480
you pull your phone out, uh, it kind of stirs up problems.

600
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:37.400
There would be some squawking amongst the
males and uh they would try to take

601
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.360
the phone away from you and destroy
it. And I got I got banged

602
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.239
up pretty good, you know,
trying to get my phone, keeping from

603
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.280
getting it because it was ring.
Uh. So they're highly intelligent, highly

604
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.239
intelligent. Uh well, at this
point in time, they had made no

605
00:41:52.239 --> 00:42:00.559
no communications other than hands gestures pointing
stuff like that. Uh, get my

606
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.480
team. Wow. When I started
having the seizures in front of them,

607
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:13.559
they were much They started from talking
to me and pampering me and stuff and

608
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:20.039
bringing me food. And they knew
I was sick, you know. So

609
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.360
uh yeah, they know English.
It's not it's not like me and you

610
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:30.800
talking. It's pretty pret uh plain, lame, very simple. You know

611
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.760
me this, me that, you
this. You know they understand that.

612
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.679
And I think they understand more,
they just don't say it. Uh.

613
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.760
But they have their own language.
Uh. I know that. I know

614
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.559
they speak Cherokee, uh because I've
heard them do it down in Pittsburgh County.

615
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.360
Uh. You know that we had
school and they taught Cherokee in our

616
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.000
school, uh for several years there. And so I've kicked up on the

617
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.920
Cherokee and I heard them talking in
the woods. Uh so. But the

618
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.960
place, this place I'm talking about, I got to see a lot of

619
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.599
cool stuff. Uh. They hunted
rattlesnakes. This places eat up with timber

620
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.800
rattlers. Uh. That was a
main staple that I could sit in camp

621
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.519
and have a rattle snake every day
or two or three. And if the

622
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:14.480
neighbors mode, which is directly in
behind me yards away. Uh, there

623
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.639
was a big wall of the brush
and stuff from green briars and and multi

624
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.320
floor rose pusts that kind of blocked
the view. Uh. But when they

625
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.599
mode, the snake's gonna crawling out
of the brush. Uh So, and

626
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.039
I get them when they got to
the notepark, whack them in the heads

627
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.239
getting them out. That was lunch, you know, pretty easy for yourself.

628
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.400
Well yeah, for myself for myself. Yeah, because a lot of

629
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.039
times it was super hot and they
would they wouldn't. They kind of went

630
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.079
got real real hot. You wouldn't
see them. He just they wouldn't be

631
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:46.239
up there on top of it on
the sun. I don't know where they

632
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.960
went. Like I said, I
wasn't getting around good in the woods to

633
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.599
follow them around and stuff. Not
much anyways, we walked down the pond

634
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.920
or something like that. Can walk
up down the creek, easy, the

635
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.360
easy walk and stuff. You know, I think they kind of news,

636
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:10.320
do you well? I have a
question. This might be a totally left

637
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:16.599
left turn or something like that.
But you know you you said you're in

638
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.719
it. You're about in your early
forties. Were you involved or had any

639
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:30.639
interactions with people that were involved with
the siege that happened about twenty years ago?

640
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:38.239
Uh? No comment, Okay,
I respect that, all right,

641
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:46.039
we signed stuff, so no comment. We hunted them, Okay, I

642
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.840
hunted them for a long time.
This isn them before this. This is

643
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:57.039
what we're talking about right now.
I've shot dozens of so okay, so

644
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:06.679
you have you have hunted huh sasquatch
and uh I guess the closes because uh

645
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.840
well, uh, let's put it
this way. It's just as good as

646
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:10.880
they are in the woods. I
can be just as good, if not

647
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:17.360
better. Sure, And you've dispatched
of multiple is what you're saying. Yes,

648
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.760
Uh. For a while there,
it was it was well known that's

649
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.480
what I've done. Uh, you
know, and people would call me all

650
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.440
the blue they have problems. Uh
you know, you know what you've heard

651
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.360
the stories. Uh raid in the
house is tearing it up, you know,

652
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.000
causing problems with the family. Yes, so we shot those things.

653
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.679
Uh. There was an Indian,
a Cree Indian who used to live down

654
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.639
the road for me that we traded
quite a bit. You know. He

655
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.719
was a older man. He drank
a lot. But uh he showed me,

656
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.559
he says. Uh, he says, I noticed and things like to

657
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.360
follow you and your dad around down
there. And of course I didn't know

658
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.920
even knew that, you know,
they was following us. I said,

659
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.320
what things? He said, you
know what I'm talking about. He said,

660
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.119
let me show you how to call
them things up. And he showed

661
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:09.480
me how to do it. But
he also made a u uh a concoction

662
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.599
uh of of animal parts and you'd
burn it on the fire till it was

663
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.760
a go, add water to it, and then you let it steam off

664
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.280
of there and let it bowl down
to pretty much nothing. And when that

665
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:29.079
started smoking in the bottom of the
pan. Uh, it would be very

666
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.280
long if the if the wind was
right. Uh, they smelt that they

667
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:37.599
were they were going to come,
and it was always brought an aggressive always

668
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.840
a broad and aggressive squatch every time
they come to fight when he when they

669
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:50.639
smell that, can you go over
what was in? Or God? I

670
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.559
don't. None of you guys need
to know that. Uh you're gonna get

671
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:59.480
yourselves hurt. Uh you need you
know you're gonna get yourself hurt and you're

672
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.599
gonna get I've been slammed across over
two and a half three miles through the

673
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:09.159
woods by female. She had me
by my h overall straps and was slinging

674
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.840
me into the brush and stuff.
I think she was trying to hijack,

675
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.119
is what she was trying to do, But we were trying to kill her.

676
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.599
It took us three years to get
her in two other shots that was

677
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:27.440
causing the problems. Three years.
Yeah, that this particular one that that

678
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.079
wore me and Tom out. Uh. Yeah, we could come on the

679
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.480
property. She wouldn't even sit.
And we'd come on the property with intens

680
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.920
being out of the truck and this
thing was already flipping out big for society

681
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:59.679
will be right back after these messages. Didn't matter whether it's dark or daylight.

682
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.360
She had a great, big,
tall mountain that they're on the top

683
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.639
right on, I mean right there
at the house. I mean that's where

684
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.719
it was watching us from. They
knew when we come in, come out,

685
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:16.360
and everything else. They're like ninjas
right there have been There are multiple

686
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:23.000
people that have said, and I'm
thinking of people that are involved with Area

687
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:30.719
X, they've had the creature in
their sights and they have not been able

688
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.119
to pull the trigger because of how
it looks. Is that anything that you

689
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.559
struggled with or how are you look? No, No, dude, when

690
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.599
it's got a limb, a limb
eleven foot long, eight inches across the

691
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:46.000
base of it and going to smash
your head, no problem. I'll pull

692
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.840
the trigger every time. I ain't
got no problem with your aggressive. I'll

693
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.760
kill you fair enough. I mean
that goes for any man or anything like

694
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:53.920
that. I mean, my life
is fear. Yeah, your toes,

695
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.320
Yeah, if I can get it, I got it, okay, all

696
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:06.920
right? Uh uh but yeah they
they Yeah, that was a that was

697
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.920
a bad group. After we got
those three shot outs. Uh it was

698
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.679
it calmed down. She still has
squatches over there, but they sure don't

699
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.599
miss with her, Uh, nor
none than the other neighbors. Has there

700
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.440
ever been a time, I'm sorry, was Has there ever been a time

701
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.679
when you were hunting them during that
time where it got really close to being

702
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:38.559
game over for you? No,
because I usually took the upper hand the

703
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:45.159
time. Uh. I use reverse
tactics. They like to have the high

704
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.000
ground. Let them have the high
grounds, but don't let them get it

705
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.960
to it. Don't don't let yourself
be open to the high ground. In

706
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.039
other words, make it mix itself. Uh hard to get to in that

707
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.639
low ground. Uh. Use areas
that are small type fit into. Uh

708
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.639
that's good, good place. Don't
even try climbing trees. They can climb

709
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.079
it faster than you can even think
about. Uh, I mean literally swing

710
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.119
from it, jump from tree to
tree. Uh. There, I've seen

711
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.559
the squats. I was tracking him. Uh he noticed me, you know,

712
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:15.599
he turned around, was checking this
back, so he saw me.

713
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:21.440
I took about four or five ten
steps, big jump steps, and hopped

714
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:24.000
up on trees and started and so
I couldn't follow his tracks anymore. Uh.

715
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:28.280
He went on through their fret four
hundred yards before he ever stopped doing

716
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.920
that. Of course I could see
him and hear him, so it didn't

717
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.119
really make much difference. He didn't
he couldn't see me. He just knew

718
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:40.880
I was behind him. Wow.
They're very shy. They don't want to

719
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.119
hang. They don't want no problems
out of us. Ninety nine percent of

720
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.239
the time. Uh. The where
you're where you're coming in and they're growling

721
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.639
at you. That growl is uh
to get you to get gone. Uh.

722
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.559
They like to intimidate. Uh.
They liked the bluff. Uh.

723
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:02.119
But once once the the the foot
stomping's done, uh, and there's no

724
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:08.119
more whistling going on, and it's
going to whoops you you were after welcome,

725
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.320
It's time to get out now.
Not every clans like that. The

726
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.880
clans. I could take the clans
over here. I guarantee by the time

727
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.559
we walk in in twenty minutes,
sitting up, they're already going to be

728
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.519
surrounding us and jacking with us.
Uh. And they're not nice. We

729
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.320
don't go in there very often.
So after you would dispatch of one,

730
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.480
what would happen to the body?
Oh, they snag it up every time?

731
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:37.000
Who would every time they would squatch
us, so they would rush it.

732
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.400
So you okay, so you would
take one out and they would if

733
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.679
you if you shot one, I
guarantee you there was there was two or

734
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.320
three right there near it, and
they would draw your attention off to one

735
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.679
side or the other, throwing rocks
something like that, and they would pick

736
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.719
it up. And you know,
I mean sometimes you get another shot,

737
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.280
two shots, you know, and
get two or three. But they always

738
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.840
they always had somebody come pick them
up. The one time that we didn't

739
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.920
and uh this was this was well, this was when just shortly before they

740
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:15.079
come in and shot a lot of
them. Uh. So we turned it

741
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:21.199
in and then it was four and
a half weeks uh in penitentiary more or

742
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.519
less. Uh on on a government
base. I don't know where it was

743
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:31.760
that the d off the house.
So you got taken to a government base

744
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.360
for dispatching it. We turned it, we turned it into we turned it

745
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:42.719
into the park within I guarantee it
within two and a half hours. I

746
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:47.599
was already in a van and was
was sedated. Really snag snagged me up

747
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.280
right up out of out of my
own yard. Didn't even they pulled,

748
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:52.639
they pulled the country on me.
It's what they've done. I was at

749
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.079
attention to have my guard. Let
that took country down. Wow. Oh

750
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:02.440
man, And so you came to
and then all I heard was about about

751
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.119
five yards before he got to me, because they come around the back side

752
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.360
of the Uh they shed there.
I heard the grass move and I whirled

753
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.280
around and I was hit tout.
I mean that was they hit me with

754
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.480
a bean bag charge right inside the
head. Why do you think, Why

755
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:21.960
do you think they wanted you in
that in that government base. Oh,

756
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.239
because they wanted They wanted me to
help. But I didn't want to kill

757
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.039
them out. I just I told
them, I said, we only we

758
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.840
only hunt problems squatches. I said, you go in these mountains and I

759
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.320
said, most most of you guys
are are just You're going to be just

760
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.599
in the wind. They're just gonna
disappear and they're gonna step off in the

761
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.679
caves and that's gonna be the end
of it. You're not going to find

762
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.880
them. Well, they found them. Uh, they saw a lot off

763
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:46.199
the park. Uh. Then the
following within six eight months of them being

764
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:52.199
done and cleared out. Uh,
they cut the cedars. And when they

765
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:58.159
cut the cedars, what what few
remained they moved. Uh and I'm still

766
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.639
I know where that group's at.
Can't get to them because it's on private

767
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.880
land and they won't let me in
there. So you're saying there was talk

768
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:14.400
tall. It's oh boy, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty

769
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:22.159
much. Now you understand why.
Kind of kind of spooky bad things.

770
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.519
But anyways, so it's it's a
Choctaw land and it's landlocked, right.

771
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.199
Uh no, it's Chickasaw Land.
I'm sorry, I forgot where that is.

772
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:36.960
Chickasaw Land, Chickasaw the chalk Tall
on down down south in the Geek

773
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:45.440
Creek area. But this is uh
no, they're they're they're Murray Garvin County.

774
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.559
Uh yeah, that's what these are
here. Uh So, yeah,

775
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:52.039
they so they got a bunch of
lands, you know, just pockets out

776
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.079
and this is uh I'll tell you
right where it's at. They got a

777
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.719
big old recreation center just on the
other side of the lake and it's right

778
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:06.440
there. They moved off into the
valleys into there, and you can steal.

779
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.119
They still come to the lake hunt
at night. They just don't live

780
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:14.840
there anymore. And I just want
to verify one more. So you're saying

781
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.800
that there was a big group from
the base that actually went out and dispatched

782
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:25.719
a multiple sasquatch in a time period, dozens dozens. At one time,

783
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:34.960
me and Charles Hallmark had documented at
least forty different individuals that lived on the

784
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:44.320
park alone on the tavertine Guy Sandy
side of what park is on Chicksaw National

785
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:50.000
Recreation A tavertine, you know,
you go into the town there one side

786
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.320
the roads, Taverntine or Platte National, I think that's what they call it

787
00:55:53.360 --> 00:56:00.280
now. They renamed it about three
times here lately. So, but yeah,

788
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.880
it's the Chicksaw National Recreation Area.
That's and you're not going to see

789
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.480
when you get on the recreation or
you're not going to see a whole lot

790
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.559
of squash activity. It's just not
there anymore. Uh. Jim Whitehead,

791
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.119
I believe he had went up and
down Sandy a few times and they got

792
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.679
you know, tracks and whatnot.
But you just don't see that anymore.

793
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.920
Uh. When the lake is low, my best option if you want to

794
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.599
go find tracks would be the Catfish
Bottoms area. But the lake needs to

795
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.519
be low because it's too rocky.
When the lake gets low at least a

796
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.079
silk and they'll they'll travel the silk
collecting the duck weed and stuff along the

797
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:38.280
creek bank. Wow, salt grass
to ware rails. Think fine, I've

798
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.239
talked to Jim before. He's a
great guy. He's got some incredible information

799
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.800
from the western part of the state. No, I haven't had the pleasure

800
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.519
of meeting yet. Just just no, just know where he's been through,

801
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:52.840
mainly through Charles, you know,
and watch him on faceboot whatnot? You

802
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.320
know here and there? Do you
know of any Have you heard of any

803
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:07.559
interactions that have happened from Laflora County
itself? Yeah, a couple. Uh,

804
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.760
they're not much just you know,
they come into camp, leave camp.

805
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.719
You know, nothing dangers or anything
like that. Just just siding.

806
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.519
That's all it is. That's usually
all you see over there. Uh,

807
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.000
there's a couple of families there,
but I know they won't will not want

808
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.280
to be on that, so I'm
not going to mention it. But yeah,

809
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.800
there's a couple of families in there. Uh, the Indian families.

810
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.519
They don't quite a bit of ground
back in there, and I think the

811
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.920
last fifteen years they quit leasing it
out to all of your hunters too.

812
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.960
Wow, So that's a big deal
not to do that because that's a lot

813
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:45.599
of money that gets brought in.
Well, I think the tribes supplement them,

814
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.920
so oh sure, that's out of
my knowledge. Yeah, well that's

815
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.800
just just coming down the grapevine from
them. You know, I got you.

816
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.880
So it's it's been deemed to protected
area. Is don't want to destroy

817
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.920
them? You know, why do
they not want to destroy them? You

818
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.639
think it's part of their history and
culture, my friend, Yeah, definitely,

819
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:15.159
it's one of the few things that
they can still grasp onto. Why

820
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.960
do you think everything else has been
wiped out for him? Why do you

821
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:25.199
think Oklahoma has so many accounts of
aggressive Sasquatch? It just seems like it

822
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:32.519
is the epicenter of all that is
aggressive in the Bigfoot world. Well,

823
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:39.800
you have to look at the biodiversity
and we shoot twenty years ago. Man,

824
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.440
places that I used to hunt and
fish are now houses. It's it's

825
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.599
the grounds getting smaller and smaller,
so you're having more interactions. When you

826
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.920
have interactions, you shoot one of
the males that don't kill it, But

827
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.199
guess what that male is going to
kill every one of the clan members do

828
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:06.199
not hang around people, disappear,
just walk away. And that's how they

829
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:10.119
survived. I mean, you know, if you can remember back in your

830
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.599
history days, growing up in high
school or you know, you they talked

831
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:19.400
about the evolution and all this and
and uh, you know and crow magnets

832
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.480
that go onto the scene, you
know, the kind of they. They

833
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.119
theorized that it pushed chrow magn or
you know, uh, the Neanderthals back

834
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:32.320
into the higher cultivations, into the
more remote areas. Uh. So you

835
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:36.760
know, it's pretty self explanatory.
You do that for you know, twenty

836
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:42.440
thousand, thirty thousand years, you
know. But uh, you know a

837
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.559
lot of a lot of the native
tribes say they didn't become aggressive for the

838
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.639
most part. I mean, you
know, there was some Like everybody,

839
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:54.280
there's different tribes and different plans,
and uh, now I'm learning that there's

840
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.480
different squatches. Uh you know,
I only thought there was two different kinds,

841
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.760
that nice kind and the bad kind. The bad kind was always red

842
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.159
in color. I mean, every
bed, every every terrible interaction I've ever

843
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.920
had, a dangerous squats red,
every last think in one of them.

844
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:15.920
Really, Yes, the black ones
I've had, I've had some close encounters,

845
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:21.119
but they always let me walk away. They never pursued it. Once

846
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.480
I turned and turned my back to
them, they let it be. Did

847
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:30.760
you ever hear of any that were
four toad Uh? Well, we shot

848
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:37.000
a three toed one. They had
three toes and three fingers on that's that's

849
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.920
that's the only different one that I
ever seen. But it was also red

850
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.400
and gray. Uh. Its eyes
were much bigger. Uh. It didn't

851
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:51.880
have coloration in the eyes. It
was almost a solid black, very little

852
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:58.119
white around the eyes. They did
not have the uh, like the mustache,

853
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.119
like the like the my squatch has
got. I call them wood apes.

854
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:06.079
I don't call them squatches, they're
wood apes. So that's very interesting.

855
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.199
They act, they act like a
damn eight. They are an eight,

856
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.119
but yet they're not. I mean, for one minute they could be

857
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:13.920
an eight. In the next minute
they could be a man. I mean,

858
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.039
you know what I'm saying. In
the way they act, if that

859
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.159
makes sense, Not in the way
they look, but the way they act

860
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:38.000
big for society, who will be
right back after these messages. So that's

861
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:43.199
really cute because so earlier you were
like, it looks like in the end

862
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.679
theirself, but you're saying there's some
very intense ape behavior that is also happening

863
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.559
as well. Yes, very very
intense. It's it's almost textbook chimp slash

864
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:59.679
gorilla uh like a lot like a
lot of times when the chimpanzees they get

865
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:04.239
excited, I did h they you
know, they do that real and the

866
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.119
squatches do that too. But it
doesn't mean that they're always going on hunt.

867
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:14.119
Just means that they're excited or uh. That's that's kind of a oh

868
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.559
man, that's not good. It's
you know, kind of an alert,

869
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:17.800
I need to get out of here
type of thing, you know, and

870
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:23.360
it's letting the other uh squatches around
no. Uh. But but the way

871
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:29.039
they set up here in the arbuckles
is not like how they set up back

872
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.400
home. Back home, they set
up sentinels. Uh, and you didn't

873
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:37.159
get with If the sentinels were out
and you got within the sentinels, the

874
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.679
sentinels pushed you back. You just
you know, they would they would they

875
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.719
would make it known that you wasn't
supposed to be there. They would either

876
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.800
escort you out or they'd throw stuff
at you, you know, and to

877
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.920
get you turned around, make noises, uh, you know, different stuff

878
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.840
like that. Uh, these here, they don't do that. Once at

879
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:57.440
his daylight, they get back off
in the mountains, and they're they're not

880
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.519
going to be out and about.
They're not going to set up on top

881
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.559
of the cliffs and stuff be looking
at. It's just too bald and open.

882
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.519
And I think that's the main reason
they don't let the arbuckles have a

883
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:15.760
monster cave system underneath it, really
massive massive. Do you think they utilize

884
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:21.400
that? Oh, definitely, definite. They did back home. I don't

885
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:27.119
know why they don't hear. I
mean, I've not run across the I

886
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.239
haven't run across the I know where
the cave is at. I just can't

887
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.119
get to. We'll put it that
way. They just don't let you get

888
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:37.079
nowhere near it. I mean,
it's just they just won't. How did

889
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:42.800
they stop it visiting? Oh,
they come out to see it. They

890
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.679
make it known. This particular place. Yeah, this place is the same

891
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.639
place that the owner won't come within
a mile and a half of this particular

892
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:55.280
mountain he owns probably hmmm, I
think you said seven and a half square

893
01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:00.320
miles in there. So he's got
a pretty good junk of land, and

894
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.800
so the mountains that mountain is.
I can hunt the bottom of it,

895
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:10.840
but I ever get close to the
to the base of it. Uh.

896
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:17.559
I get escorted out every time.
And if you have a long rifle with

897
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.639
it, yeah, you're going that's
asking for trouble with these guys. Sure

898
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.880
that they're gonna they pick up bigger
rocks instead of throwing stuff the size you

899
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:29.519
know, hickory nut size, and
they pick up stuff to size baseballs up

900
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.559
the basketballs and jump at you when
you have a rifle. They absolutely don't

901
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:36.440
like them. And I tell everybody
when we go in there, don't carry

902
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:42.079
it along along weapon, you know, put it on your side. Forty

903
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:45.000
four magnum, you know. Uh, don't you put hall upon senn They

904
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:50.519
ain't gonna penetrate. Uh. You
know right well, when you've been out

905
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:56.559
there with the big big for the
squatches, have you ever heard anything that

906
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.559
did not make sense? Why am
I hearing this in this situation right now?

907
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:08.960
Any speech or just any I've never
well, let me let me get

908
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:15.480
into this. I've never seen a
ufo. I've never seen orbs around them.

909
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.000
Uh never. Never. Now,
I have seen orbs on lake you

910
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.440
follow. One night we was catfishing
and it was, Oh, I don't

911
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.920
it was. It was big.
It was kind of orange color, and

912
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:30.239
it shot across the sky and it
turned real like it wasn't a plane,

913
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.880
you know, it was huge,
but it did nothing ever occurred. But

914
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.079
when it flew across the water,
it moved the water. That's what we

915
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:39.800
couldn't get because it pushed the water, you know. It put us a

916
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:43.719
ripple across the water out in front
of it and then behind it, and

917
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.519
it was one hundred foot in the
air. And then I've seen I've seen

918
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.679
little orbs dancing around, uh down
like in the swampy areas, you know.

919
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.440
Uh, but in swamp gas.
I've seen swamp gas line up at

920
01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:00.280
night and that's pretty neat. Uh, it's kind of creepy, uh Like,

921
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.440
well, what's going on? But
that's all it is. Going to

922
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.119
get towards it and smell it,
you know what it is. Uh.

923
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:09.440
But yeah, I've never I've never
seen the orbs and stuff that. I

924
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:13.159
mean, they don't disappear like everybody
says they are. I'm telling you their

925
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:17.480
ninjas, their ninjas, they they're
they're not spirits. Trust me, If

926
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:23.400
it bleeds, it dies, spirits
don't bleed spirits don't die, got it?

927
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.400
Have you ever heard that they might
be other stuff out there in the

928
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.239
woods? Go ahead? Have you
ever heard of babies cry when you've been

929
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:35.039
out there? Yes, I have
had the baby sit uh this place here,

930
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.960
Uh the place that we've been talking
about, uh, up here where

931
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.880
I'm at now, norst of me. Uh. I've been asked or not

932
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.119
asked if she just tossed it up
her in the tent and looked at me

933
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:50.360
and shook its finger, which I
kind of figured out, man, not

934
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.920
to get out, you know.
And it looked at me and it shook

935
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.599
finger and kind of you know,
not let it out, you know.

936
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.480
And they went home. Uh,
they ended up coming back with a couple

937
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.639
of hogs. It didn't take them
long, maybe forty five minutes, because

938
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.079
they were sitting in camp. Uh
they heard the hogs scream done on the

939
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:11.320
river. Uh. One of them
and four or five of them started discussing

940
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.840
something amongst theirselves. And she got
up, brought the kid over there,

941
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:16.679
drops it in the tent. And
you could smell my tent right now.

942
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.760
It still smells like it. I
can't wash it and get the smell out

943
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:27.960
for some reason. H So soybody, is there a baby? Say yes.

944
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.480
When I say baby, I mean
like free foot, talk able to

945
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:33.519
walk, able to hop. Uh, but you know it's still pretty weak

946
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.920
cudes button I mean, Uh.
Their fingernails are white when they're small,

947
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:44.400
their fingertips are or you know,
their their palm is Caucasian looking, you

948
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.960
know, the hairs or the skins
Caucasian, and it darkens up as they

949
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:51.960
get older and it's a more melanistic
color to it. What do their teeth

950
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:58.719
look like? Just flat and flat
and white? Uh? They actually choose

951
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:03.039
several different routes to clean, believe
it or not. Just like they're just

952
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:08.079
like ours, but much much wider
and much broader, much more robust built.

953
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:16.439
Have you ever been to a place
called purgatory? Okay, don't don't

954
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.199
know where that's at. Okay,
now, purgatory like like way up west.

955
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:23.840
I think we. I think we
drove through it one time, But

956
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:29.000
as far as getting out and stopping
not, I've just I've just heard of

957
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.199
it in different interviews mentioned and I
know it's related to Kombo Baker, but

958
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:36.239
I don't know much about it.
So I was just curious about it.

959
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.880
No, I hadn't heard about that
place. Uh, Like I said,

960
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.359
bigger bottoms, peacock Collar and that's
going to be a local name. Uh.

961
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.439
And then sick Sycamore Hollow on the
river down here, that's that's uh,

962
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.359
that's a it's got a lot of
ze mines up there on that base

963
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:59.960
cliff and lots of reports used to
be lots of reports from that area,

964
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.279
but the people have since moved away, and there's it's all all the houses

965
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:08.720
up in there are abandoned now and
there's like four homes. Do you think

966
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:13.439
the Satin Sasquatch are still there?
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm sure

967
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.640
they are. Usually when they pick
a spot, they don't go nowhere.

968
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.720
I don't know where everybody gets these
migration deals, and maybe the ones up

969
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:24.000
Mors do mine are not they're there
now. They may bounce around four or

970
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:27.279
five, eight, ten miles,
you know, to where the food's good.

971
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:30.920
Uh. But usually, if if
it's like this year, they eat

972
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:35.199
their part. They ain't moving.
There's enough stuff to eat. The only

973
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:40.159
time I ever see them disappear is
when it gets like last year, they

974
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.800
disappeared on me and it just now
showed back up. In the last four

975
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:46.159
and a half months or so you
couldn't tell you where they went either.

976
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:57.119
What how long has it been since
you you've seen a bigfoot? See when

977
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:05.319
it was Turkey season April. Yeah, yeah, it's it's stepped out in

978
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:10.520
the pipeline. Uh. And then
when it when it saw the hen decoy

979
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:14.199
up there, it looked, you
know, and looked and saw me and

980
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.359
turned and went right back in.
Uh. And this is this is one

981
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:20.279
of the places that they know me
there. So it wasn't to freak out.

982
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:25.680
He was just looking for a meal. But I've kind of, oh

983
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.439
well, I had to shoot at
one of the males over here, and

984
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.119
so they've kind of they kind of
stopped coming straight up to me and hanging

985
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:36.000
out like they used to. Now
kind of dangerous. I wouldn't hurt him

986
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.039
to say that. So I just
shot over his head, so leave me

987
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:42.920
alone. That's the only reason I've
done it. And they ran Mooski for

988
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.319
about a month and he started popping
back in, you know, and I

989
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:48.680
tossed the fish over the deal with
fish. But it wasn't like it was

990
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:51.119
I mean, but yeah, as
far as getting in there and seeing them

991
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.560
on the river, Yeah, it's
not too big with a problem. You

992
01:10:54.600 --> 01:11:00.720
know, the neighbors all know about
him over there, most of them,

993
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:05.720
most of them won't even go on
the river. Yeah, I'm so thankful

994
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:10.319
for your time. It's been over
an hour. This has been amazing.

995
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:15.800
We'll end with this, like,
what are the questions that people like me

996
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:24.359
are not asking that we should be
asking about these creatures? Uh? Well,

997
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:26.399
mainly, why do you all want
to get so close to them?

998
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.279
That's what I want to know.
I understand the infatuation with them, but

999
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:35.399
they're a highly dangerous animal. Uh
if you're if you're not well aware of

1000
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:41.399
their body language. Uh and the
postures. Uh. You guys have got

1001
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:46.479
all the calls almost all wrong for
what they stand for. The Ohio.

1002
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:51.520
How is a location called between a
marriage what what we would call me and

1003
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:57.680
you a married couple or you know
that's from his from him to her.

1004
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:01.960
That's what that is, and that's
uh not for darkness. She should get

1005
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:08.399
bad off because the males do not
stay with the klan. Most of the

1006
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:12.439
time they're around very close, but
the usually don't stay with them becausey're kind

1007
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:17.279
of dangerous, the pricks. But
but you get a family clan, uh,

1008
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:21.000
you know where it's several of them
and they all work together. It's

1009
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:26.680
totally different atmosphere. There'll be one
or two that make all the decisions and

1010
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.000
everybody else they'll they might not like
it, but they'll go along with it.

1011
01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:34.520
If you have a problem with one
of them, of the klan uh

1012
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:39.920
and you ever get alone with him, uh, he's probably gonna kill you.

1013
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:46.159
That's just that's just the way they
are. They're very act like a

1014
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:50.079
little spot rotten kids what they act
like. If they don't get the way,

1015
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:54.279
they get mad, and it could
be day two days, three days,

1016
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.239
four days, five days before they
get unmad. And sometimes they just

1017
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:01.000
don't ever get mad at you.
They just they don't like you. And

1018
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:05.359
that's where you see all this stuff
going on. But a lot of it's

1019
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:10.960
trying to communicate to you, uh, you know, because they they just

1020
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:14.479
soon work with you then against you
for sure. But you know, if

1021
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.520
they can't trust you, they they
won't have nothing to do with you.

1022
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.239
And they're they're they're very weird like
that, very selective who they who they

1023
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:27.399
hang out with. I mean,
I took a man and a couple out

1024
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:35.119
of Florida over to uh this place
that the Dangerous Squatches and within three hours

1025
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:41.720
at the dark, they were already
gone. And I'm talking about the squatches,

1026
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.359
I'm talking about the other two people. Uh they literally left in it

1027
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.000
full. They still got their gear. They won't even talk to me on

1028
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:51.039
Facebook for nothing. Now, scared
I tried to send them there. Yuh.

1029
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:57.399
Well, she got hit with a
stick across the back. It was

1030
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.479
about three inches in diameter and knocked
her on the ground. And I told

1031
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.680
him, you know, once it
gets dark, put your helmets on.

1032
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:08.439
And he didn't put a helmet on, didn't even bring one, and they,

1033
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:12.199
I mean, they just rained down
on us, which is that's this

1034
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.079
way they are. I'll sit there
in it, you know, just just

1035
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.800
pad up and just just sit there
and let them. Let them take it,

1036
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:20.760
you know, because they'll they'll eventually
get tired of it, and that's

1037
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.239
when they'll come into camps and start
you know, why aren't you leaving?

1038
01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:29.720
You know, they get a little
more bold, but they won't just pre

1039
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:31.960
up and smack you in the head
for no parent reason. You know,

1040
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:38.000
he's not going to kill you because
you come into his territory. You know,

1041
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.199
he's just not He's going to try
to push you out, and he

1042
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:44.199
just through eighteen, twelve, thirteen, fourteen times that you're just not going

1043
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.760
to push that he'll try to make
friends with you if you're not take it

1044
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:54.840
from his belly. Wow, that's
fascinating when you go to when you go

1045
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.159
to take it from their food,
that's when they get mad at you.

1046
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:01.119
Country. The thing that's just we
weird is that other people have said that

1047
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:06.680
the whole leave half of what you
what you get. That's that comes that

1048
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:11.720
comes from back in the old days, from back when we used to work

1049
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:16.600
hand in hand together with him.
You know, that's how that's how you

1050
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:20.199
lived side beside with him. You
left, you left half, you know,

1051
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:25.520
So, hey, I know you're
here. You know, because we're

1052
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.039
much better hunters than they are by
far. They're just better woodsmand than we

1053
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.920
are. It's because if you'll set
a man, if you'll set a man

1054
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.000
in the woods for a year,
I guarantee you he'll be a different person.

1055
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:39.319
And if you get a man that
knows how to hunt and fish and

1056
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.600
he has a squat sighting, you
turn that man into you can you can

1057
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:45.119
put him up against it and if
he can hold his gumption to it,

1058
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.800
and I should say you can put
him up to against any man that the

1059
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:53.840
military ever trained. I guarantee you
as far as brass, you know,

1060
01:15:54.760 --> 01:16:00.920
having the gumption well, because these
things can a psychological effect on it and

1061
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:08.279
if you let them. I mean
I picked that up the way I look

1062
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:10.720
the way I look at it.
If you if you can't build a car,

1063
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:13.199
you ain't top dog. You know
what I'm saying. If you can't

1064
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.239
make a projectile come out of a
bullet, you know I have a gun,

1065
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.800
you're not top dog. Uh.
But until you level the playing field

1066
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:25.000
and then who's top dog? Yeah, that's the thing we lost. We've

1067
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:30.439
lost that that that old way to
us, you know, we we've become

1068
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:35.880
very uh uh easy going. I
guess you would say it lazy. I

1069
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:42.439
agree with that country. Before we
we finish up, do you have any

1070
01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:48.520
any final last words or uh?
Uh? Yeah, when you got when

1071
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.439
you guys go to wood knock and
don't knock the fire out of the tree,

1072
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:55.760
because that's a sign of aggression.
Uh, that's why you have all

1073
01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.960
the That's why they come into you
immediately. I know that's what you want.

1074
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.560
Uh start off with a with a
single light wood knock, because when

1075
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:06.199
you go to pounded on that wood
and like a lot of these guys are

1076
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:10.319
doing. Uh, you you're gonna
you're one of these times you're gonna run

1077
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:14.960
across the wrong squatch and and he's
gonna be looking for a female or a

1078
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.640
clan to join. And well that's
a sign of oppression. Uh, So

1079
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:23.520
don't do that, don't don't make
don't hit it as hard as you can.

1080
01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:28.399
I mean, just just light knocks. Uh three three three is Uh,

1081
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:31.279
you're in trouble. Uh, that's
what they're their Their deal is if

1082
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.159
they scream your screw Uh after the
three knocks go and they go to screaming

1083
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:40.600
at you, or it's a wailing
like if you hurt one, yeah,

1084
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:44.960
you're probably not going to get out
alive. If if you're not used to

1085
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.439
it. I mean they're they're very
very very fast, and it dark.

1086
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.840
You can't hard assume when you're moving. I mean they're that past mhm.

1087
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.520
You might catch the eye for eye
glow, you know, occasionally if they

1088
01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:00.640
look at you, but other than
that, you're just gonna catch a little

1089
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:06.000
pleading shadow, you know, with
with the lot ninety nine times at one

1090
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:13.399
hundred, I mean they're very sneaky. That's incredible Thank you so much,

1091
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:17.239
Country, this has been an incredible
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1092
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:23.640
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1102
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1113
01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:49.119
and again thanks for listening. Her
and I can get on here. We

1114
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:54.439
can tell our stories. Maybe there's
somebody else out there listening it's too afraid

1115
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:58.600
to tell their story. Maybe this
will give them the courage to come out.

1116
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.439
And now I feel so bad about
it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

1117
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.079
I know what I saw, I
know what's out there. That's all

1118
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:26.560
I care about. Please let people
know, Please let them know. If

1119
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:30.000
you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you

1120
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:42.079
don't, then shame on you,
you know, shame on you.