Country, the Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter (Encounter Archives)

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity to report from the same area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society, and now let's get on with the show. Hey, you're about to hear a archive episode from about a year ago with Country the Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter. This one I have just left in its original state so you can really get how it came across the first time. Yeah, I'm not really going to spoil this one, just say, hey, sit back, enjoy this and if you want to put stuff in the comments, you can, But the end of the day, just enjoy this one, guys, because it's a fun ride. Also, want to shout out a quick person that sent me a coffee just a day ago.

1:08 Special thank you to Terry from Ohio, who bought five coffees. Terry writes, the effort you put into your podcast is appreciated, one of my favorites. Appreciate that, Terry, and thank you for giving me a little bit of fuel for the trip out to Oakridge that is coming in a few weeks. Actually, when you hear this, I'll already be there unless something wild happens. But hey, knock it on wood right, guys, if you'd like to support the podcast one time, you can go over to buy me a coffee. Dot com forward slash Big for Society and help me get on my way with a little bit of fuel. Really appreciate it. And enough chit chat. Let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who came to me through Facebook Messenger. He is from the state of Oklahoma. He's got some very interesting things to share. His name is Country the Country. How's it going? That's going great? Little warm out here this season? Oh man, I hear you. We're burning up in Iowa. But I'm sure it's older down there. Oh yeah, we had yesterday it was one hundred and twenty one heat in Dicks so it was pretty hot. Wow. That is And you're in a well, I mean there's different parts of Oklahoma, right, I'm in the local mountains, Okay, yeah, so south southern

2:43 Oklahoma just above Texas, right, yeah, I call it south central, Southern southern, south central, all right, all right, yep, I'm familiar with the southeast corner, as you can imagine. I talked to a few people from over there, so you're the first that I've talked to from the Arbuckle Mountains area, so that's pretty cool. I've talked to a gentleman over in the western part of the state as well, but excited to talk to you tonight. So it sounds like you have quite the history. But how did things start out with you with Interrution. Well, we lived in We lived in Pittsburgh County back all since eighty four. The incident there probably happened in when I was thirteen. I'm forty three now, so you can do the math. I was bot hunting and it was just about dark.

3:39 I hadn't seen a whole lot, you know, it's pretty quiet evening hunt, you know, usually see quite a bit, but not that evening. I noticed a few of the birds and stuff kind of just shut up all of a sudden, and they was looking back to my east down the creek Coal Creek, So I looked that way. I picked up my binoculars and I didn't see nothing. I think, oh, it's probably hogs or a deer coming through, or bobcat, you know, the way they shut up. I didn't see nothing. And it went two or three minutes. A lot was fading pretty quick. Then all of a sudden, I noticed the movement through the trees right along the creek edge. I picked up my binoculars and looked, and I immediately knew it was not a deer. It was not a bear. I wasn't real sure what it was because it still had a little bit of brush it stepped on out there. It was just cosmic kind of strolling down the bank, just pedal farting around, and it stopped when the wind shifted from my face to just slightly over my shoulders blowing right to it. It stopped. It picked its head up. It looked like it was smell in the air, like a deer would do. Or you know, an animal, and I froze. It was pretty good sized, probably eight and a half. And I could tell it was a female, I believe it or not. It had mammary glands. That's actually well.

5:00 I got to see it, very flat faced, not much of a cone, but it was. There was a ridge there, but it could have been here. It wasn't. Just the most well groomed animal that you would see in the in the woods. She throwed her head up and started swaying back and forth slightly and looking around and checking her back trail. For some reason. She finally the wind just kind of picked up a little bit more and it was just too much. She ducked down off into the creek, and all I could see was the top of her shoulders in her head, and she kept peeking up over the top of the bank and looking. Uh. She never did see me. Uh, But once she cleared me about two hundred yards, I heard her come back up into the woods about even with me on the creek bank, and she screamed. And I did not do nothing. I waited till dark. I planned to sit there and tell plumb into well the next daylight the next morning, before I climbed down, and of course I knew my parents should get a little worried, but nothing new for me to come strolling in two or three, four o'clock in the morning, you know, from being hunting. But so I wasn't too worried.

6:11 But about eleven o'clock I seen a light up there on top of the mountain, which is about about a mile and three quarters away. It's pretty steep mountain, you see it. And I could barely make you mount hollering for me. I did not say a word. I sit there until he come down there to where I was at, and it was my dad. I told him, I said, Dad, you shouldn't be up there or down on the ground. There's the bigfoots here. He said, Oh, they ain't gonna bother you. They never bothered you before. Come on down. And when I hit the ground, she screamed again, and another one screamed, and then another one screamed, and then whoops, all down the ridge he just come off of and we kind of just he just said, just keeps close to me, as a matter of fact, just put your finger in my back belt loop and we'll just go right the way we come out down here. I didn't hunt that bottom for several years. He made me stay on top of the mountain after that, close to the house for several years. So that was the first incident. A few sorry, can I ask you a few questions? That is really intense. So you you were pretty much surrounded by a Sasquatch. We were surrounded for a good two and a half to three miles up and down the creek. I would say there was at least a dozen or more, uh individuals that rang out that night. And that's that's what That's why she was checking her back trail.

7:35 Do you feel that's you know, Oh, yes, No, they didn't know I was in there. They didn't know I was in there, or they wouldn't even have showed theirselves because we we hadn't had Uh, we've had you know, strange things happen. You know, you've heard the stuff, you know, bumping on the glass, bumping on the house, you know, throwing stuff up on the porch. Uh. They would leave gifts pretty often. And now, of course I didn't know this until I got up into oh my mid thirties, but my dad had been feeding the dang things, so he knew about him. He knew. He knew very well about him, and he kept him secret even from me, And I was probably the favorite son. You know, we hunted together, fish together. I mean I was on his side constantly. Uh, And he didn't tell me until you know, he started getting downhill, and then he told me what he knew, and which by that time I had already acquired a mass of information on the things I want to say. Just being out in the woods, real quick to the listener for context of where we're talking, this is.

8:41 You already said this is Pittsburgh County, and this is two counties to the west of Laflora County in Oklahoma, just so people realize, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of mining, coal mining that went on in that particular mountain had lots of old mines and stuff in it. A lot of them were collapsed at the instance. But I'm sure if you knew the woods better than I did, you know, you probably knew where to get in. And they probably hit it too. You know, they're not dumb animals. I mean when they'll climb up and stick a deer in the top of a one hundred and seventy five foot red oak tree and it's seventy five foot off the ground. All you can see it is the head sticking over the top and there ain't no claw marks on it. What done it? Is that something you've you've seen yourself? Yeah, they do it a lot down there. They stick them down there all the time. It's nothing. You'd be walking what that's now, if you don't look up, you're probably not going to notice it. But nine times that ten, it's one of their They put it in the deal. And the reason I believe they do that is because all the bears. I don't have any proof on that though, but that they like to stick them in the trees up there or down there, I should say here, they don't do that. They kill it and it's it's probably eat that night down arbuckle. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.

9:58 Do you think you're f other had interactions with the Sasquatch back when you were thirteen, Like it sounded like he knew what was going on. Oh yeah, he he. He had other incidents as my parents. My my sister had an incident with my mom and my dad. They were camped out down at McGee Creek before the lake had even filled up. Really uh, and it's screamed. Now they didn't. They didn't come into camp that they said, it just the scream. Uh. My sister run off into the tent and they they left out that morning, you know, the following morning they moved camp. So what Dad said, Oh, this is going to be seventies, early seventies. Girl. I've talked to multiple people about McGee Creek and it's it's a very it's a dangerous, crazy hot spot. Dangerous.

10:50 It's dangerous. They're they're they're crazy down there. Them squatches are dangerous. Uh, don't trust them. I'm assuming it's because of all the people in and around the public there. That's the only thing I could think of, because you don't have a whole lot of people, you don't have a whole lot of anger. Or if they're in town. There's a lot of places like Sulfur that they come into town quite a bit at night. And another place another town north of Sulfur Paul's Valley, which is straight up by thirty five and it sets right on the wash of Tall River. Most of your fast food is within a quarter mile to a half mile of the river banks, and it's all open on the town side. You know, it's all fields pretty much. And I've actually seen them driving down the road early crack of daylight morning, you know, just barely make everything out, you know, if you see deer up there, four five hundred dards, you can see deer, but there's no cows where these are at. And it's just past the high school too. There's a slew right there, and they were right on the deal of it, and they were sitting there there, and there was three of them, big, and they were all black as far as I could tell, but their color varies as the sun hit it a little bit, so black would probably be the color was low light. You know, what have you heard from McGee Creek that makes you think that that area is so dangerous for Sasquatch. Well, there's people that's been missing and still missing for the last fifty sixty years down there. It just doesn't happen

12:20 a whole lot. It's not like some of the It doesn't give publicity as much publicity because of its region. You know, it's small town. Everybody's pretty tight in it. If you don't know anybody, you're probably not going to get it on a place unless you have a bunch of cash. You know, money talks down there because they're poor. You know, it's just logging industry for the most part down there, sure, and deer hunting at least's you know, that's what they do. Do you know of a place called Booger Hollow? Sure, there's also a place on you follow like you follow, that we call Booger Bottoms. It's a creek, it's uh, it's got a lot of cattails in towards the mouth though, But once you get about a mile and a half back up in the creek from off the lake, you're in prime territory. Uh, You'll you'll have something happen, usually within two or three nights there. And I grew up graduated at a Crowder Okay, So I mean I know that late all that region down through there, plumb down to Eagle Town, plumb down to you know, the Red River, we're all over it. So you're saying that in Booger Hollow, you're there two or three nights, you'll have stuff happen. Or do you mean the bottoms the bottoms Burger Bottoms, donner On like you follow.

13:39 Yeah, have you heard anything specifically about that has happened in Booger hollow, not specifically. I don't know a whole lot of people there. The people that I knew I was a kid, old man jelly that lived down around Red Oak. Uh. That place has squatches on it, and he uh, he told to say it was when the first time we come in there camping. Uh. He says, I don't take something. Guys don't to be shooting my wild people. I kind of thought that funny, and dad knew what it meant. You know, he'd been in there several times. But Jilly coming in there and kind of warned his kids not to be shooting anything on two legs. So he he actually said, go shooting my wild people. Yeah. Wow, his his daughter, Uh no, I probably I better not kill that. And we'll just we'll just put it this way.

14:35 They're related, Okay, we'll put it that way. There's there's a relation there. We'll leave that. What is a country? If as we're talking, if there's anything you need me to cut out, I will cut it out afterwards. I don't feel like you're you're gonna get trapped. Yeah, most it's pretty well general knowledge down around her part. I mean they know uh uh, you know, you come to the house and your family. You're going to see it. Uh you know, it stays in the house. Let's put it that way. Uh So, but yeah, they can't they can mix. Let's put it that way. That's and that's the thing we can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about that. We don't need to talk about that. Government doesn't need to hear about that.

15:18 Oh boy, okay, and they probably already know. Yeah, well we'll leave that there, but you can pretty much get it all right. Well let's move on then. Wow, s same county two years later. Uh Now I had seen seen them. Uh just you know, one hundred two hundred yards, just stuff moving through the woods. You know, nothing nothing aggressive, Uh, nothing that I would be overly concerned about. I mean we were still taking game and uh you know when we was growing up, you brought game home every time you come in, you know, or or you may not got to eat that night some weeks. You know, just depend big for a society who will be right back after these messages. It was tight. But so we was deer hunting. I was sitting on the same pensilne. Matter of fact, it was the very same tree stand A deer had come down through there, and then another deer, and then another deer, just kind of normal. Then finally the deer I wanted to shoot, nice, nice ten point probably one hundred and thirty inch, you know, back then and in the early nineties, it was that was a big deer. Now I think so much, but I was. I was glad to shoot it, and I shot it. I seen it fall, you know, fifty seventy five yards down through there. I've seen it chip over.

16:49 But at about five minutes later I also heard something walk walk where the thing had screened at. And what it is, let me give you a little better picture. It's a great big bend in the creek, makes a great big white horseshoe in the creek there and where it starts to swing back, there's probably three and a half acre's river cane in there, and there's a big tunnels. I always thought the pigs had done it, because the pigs used it quite a bit too. Uh. After I got a little older, I learned not to go around the river cane so much. They kind of like hang out in there in the daytime. Uh So that thing come out of the river cane. I didn't see it, but I could see my dad coming because he heard me shoot. He was, you know, four five hundred yards away back on to the other end of the the horseshoe there, sitting on another bottle neck well. He was walking down through there. He was pushing deer my way, hogs my way. I didn't shoot anything else, and he looked up at me and said, get it.

17:45 I said, yeah, I think something picked up though. He looked, well, let's come on, let's go to the house. No, No, it's a big deer. We're gonna we're gonna go see if we can't see it anyways, and maybe scare it, maybe they'll drop it. That's and that's nothing best idea. I was pretty stubborn, you know. I had had a rifle in the hand. I thought I was, you know, tough. We pursued on several hundred yards turned into about three and a half miles. Once we got into the area, we crossed the big slew that the the water treatment plant had made because the pipe leaked real bad. It's they've since destroyed that old waterman plant and everything, but so it's kind of dried up back in there now a little bit. But once we crossed that, that main creek that fed it in into it. I knowed where it was going because that's where the coal mines and stuff was at.

18:38 And I mean we could see it two or three times, you know, sevney five yards, one hundred and ten yards, just depending on the brush down through there. You know, it's kind of kind of opened along the creek once you got thirty forty yards off the creek where the floodplain didn't clear it out every you know, every time it got up it was much much sticker, and it was it was traveling the edge of that. So the tracks is pretty easy most of the time in that bottom land. I was leaving tracks about three and a half to four inches deep, where me and Dad was only leaving about an eighth of an inch, just barely making march, you know, considerably big. That's man, we shouldn't we shouldn't be going after that's a big track. I said, well we got to do something. I said, bull crap, I said, burne, I can't even kill a deer, because I said, they've followed him around like crazy.

19:25 And I said, you know, well, you know it is what it is. It's just how you live with them. You just don't do nothing. They don't do nothing. Yeah, well we're doing something because he done something. We ended up track ended up there and we could hear multiple animals on this slat just below the where this mine was at. I said, I don't know, Dad, that's that's kind of crazy. He said, Man, just he said, don't take your gun. If you're going to walk up there. He says, make sure you let him know you're coming. So we're we haven't even crossed the creek yet. In a whistle goes out, so we've already been made. I just said, hey, that's my deer. And I heard it sounded like a herd of elephants standing up and running up up to the deal. But we could see a few of them going through the cedars and and you know, the open stuff.

20:15 But there were several that didn't. Uh so we you know, one ahead and took a couple of steps, and when I did, it stopped over the side. And I mean when it roared, it it literally moved the hair on my head and face. Uh, it was loud. I said, hey, that's my deer. And it looked at me again and roared and looked at Dad and seen the gun, and then it really roared. I mean this thing you almost it was almost so much it made you nauseously because of the vibration on the inside of you, if that makes sense to you. It almost turned our stomachs. It was that loud. Of course I'm shacking, I said, if as I am, Max the move just suit it in the head Dad, And of course, Dad, I don't know whether you heard me or not. I took two steps up and to where I could see up on the flat and I pointed to the deer and it looked at the deer, looked at me snarled. I looked back at the deer, it's my deer. And I reached to go grab another limb and take a step up in it. Well, Dad shot and missed it about an inch and a half. Well he'd looked at my Dad and tapped its head like damn, that was close, you know. I mean, the thing had fear in its eyes. I said mine, I said mine, that's mine. I got to eat too, you know. And it looked at me like it understood what I was wanting. And all I got was a leg. It stepped over there in about two steps. It was probably twelve thirteen yards from him, but two steps or so, themped over, tore the back leg off and slung it right into my chest and set

21:48 me right back into the creek. That said, take your leg, get your gun, let's go. And we were escorted out from the ridge line. They were making a point to show that to be seen upon that ridge line, and they followed us up to the high line that goes down off in there that we took in and out, and at that point they stopped and when we went up the hill they turned around and went back down. And after that we it was it wasn't so much being harassed as it was, uh every time we come to the woods, they were always there. I mean it was you just couldn't get away from. I don't care where you went, they knew you was there. It was crazy. I mean it was that's it. As long as they're not hurting. Yeah, not the tack. He said, just keep doing your deal. They're just checking you out. And so that's what we did. And Dad said, uh, well I had one. That's you know. It was the next year, that following February, after they took the deer, I was fishing the slew pond back there, catching channel cat on steak bait. And it was cold, cold, cold, and I don't know, I had probably twenty five thirty catfish. You know, nobody gonna regulate it. You know, a young man how many fish he had? Uh? And I was just about getting ready to go, And I mean I had another little bite there, and I picked up the rod. When I picked up the rod, a hand reached out of the brush because the brush was just cleared by beavers.

23:17 You know, it wasn't much, you know, a couple of foot wide tops before you stepped into you know, eight to twenty foot tall saplings that were so fit that cottontails couldn't get in it. I never heard nothing, I never saw nothing. I never smelt nothing until the hand touched me on the shoulder and rolled me back, and he just picked picked my stringer up with two fingers. Mind you smiled real big and walked off. Well, crap, that sucks. That's a lot of work. I mean I had a heck of a stringer catfish. So I just well, I don't know nothing else to do it and start catching fish. That told me to bring fish home. You know, I still had plenty of time. I started catching more fish Kenner loved more catfish, and I went to the house carrying him on sticks. I strung him up. That's what I had to use. As I come around the bend in this access road that come off from the o wah trooping plant, there's my stringer hanging up in the tree.

24:17 So I strung up my fish and went on about my rat killing to the house. I told Dad, Dad, don't tell mom. He said he might call. Shouldn't go catfishing for a while down there. He said it might be kind of tough for him right now, said, might just soon take you instead of the catfish. I said, well. He smiled when he took him, and he was real polite. He said, what do you mean he was plied? I said. He only used two fingers and held his pinky yet like he was drinking a cup from an Englishman. He said, you're a kidding. I said, nope, I said. He turned around and walked off. I said, And it wasn't the big guy. He says, oh, I said, so, what was there a female? Say no, it was a male. Dad. I know for sure, because it was standing right over the top of me pretty much. He said, well, smile, that's just he smiled. I said, there's a stringer. He gave me a stringer back by the time I caught my fish and made it around, you know, I told them the story, and he just like, Yeah, from this point on, just start leaving half of everything you take from the woods. So if you shoot thirty squirrels, fifteen of it goes to them. And so that's what we started doing, or I started doing. And at this point in time, you know, Dad was He always told me he was jumping the creek, but I think he was taking the hog pellets down there and feeding the ding squatches. I really do it. Sounds like you got a really good look at the face of the sasquatch multiple times. Can you describe it? Yeah?

25:37 A lot of you guys get it. A lot of you guys get it so wrong. I've never seen anything that looked even remotely close to a gorilla. Uh. It's it's a freaking neanderthal, is what it is. That's what it is. It's a Neanderthal. I don't care if the bones tell you different. It's a it's a big giant neanderthal. It looks just like a neanderthal. It's a man. I mean there's no, there's no it's got a big, bulbous nose. Some of them are flats. I mean it's a it's a it's an anthol, that's what it is. Just big, just big, you know. I gotta hand it to your father.

26:18 He It sounds like in all these accounts he is reacting with just a calmness to him. But also you can tell that he has had some interactions over the year, like he knows about them a lot. He was not surprised by much. Yeah. I figured probably since the fifties or sixties, because he had made mentioned that when he was a little kid, he shot a bear in the Tabletops, which is west of Elmore City in the little North and he said it was a honey bear, he said, but the honey bear was eleven but long. I was like, yeah, well, what was you drinking, dad? He said, I wasn't drinking, and I don't think it was a bear. He said. It crawled off in the brush and I turned around and I left. I said, oh.

27:11 He said he went back and looked to see if but that he could never get off in that brush pile, you know, he said, when he crawled off in the brush, pile. It raised it up, So that says brush pail. He means probably something pushed by a bulldozer or something. Knowing my dad, a big you know, a pile of trees. Wow. And this is in Pittsburgh County. Uh No, this that would I'm not really sure what county that is. That's in the tabletops where that where he had that happened. What we what I've been discussing right now has been in the Pittsburgh The only places I've had any any sidings in Oklahoma has been Pittsburgh. Uh. The couple down in in Macintosh Can which is above it on the river that we was coming out of the woods and they crossed out in the field. There was two of them, a big one and a little one I would say, mom, and a young one. You know.

28:07 Didn't get a great look at them, just you could just tell it was what it was, you know. It's I mean down there, that's those things are fairly common. I mean, no, most folks ain't gonna talk about them, but yeah, a lot of folks see them down there a lot, way more than it's coming out. Every time that you've seen them, has it come to your mind that hey, this looks like a Neanderthal or have there been times where every time, every time, okay, every time, every time they look like a Neanderthalt, big, big, kresty forehead. You know, it's big, it's very masculine, very thick. The jaws are thick, very square, teeth are squared. Never seen knines you. I mean, they got came down, but they look just like ours. They're not much there. I mean, it's not like I don't know where these folks is getting the three inch fangs and stuff at.

28:59 Maybe a different thing. I don't know, but I mean, Jimmy Christmas, when you sit down and meet deer jerky with them, I think I know what they look like. I mean, so yeah, let's talk about that then. So you have actually sat down with some individuals. I was. I was homeless, uh several years back here in a garbing cam uh, one of my dad's friends. I just kind of I didn't really ask. I just kind of popped the tent and made my made my place there. You know, A hunt on it, fished on it. I know that'd be okay as long as that's the only place I had to go and it, yeah, I did. That was the only place I had to go at the time. Ah, So I don't know. I've been there a month or two. Nope, nothing, I ain't seen nothing, ain't hurt nothing. I never felt nothing, you know, never smelt nothing, never seen tracks. All sudden one night there was a whoop down on the bottom. I wooped back like a dummy, and it come up there.

30:04 And from then on it was up there almost every night. And it sat and it watched. That's all it done. It just sat on its haunches and it watched. And so I don't know, several several weeks went by. I hadn't had no nothing out of it, you know, it hadn't had really seen it in a week or so in the daylight. Don't put it that way. In the daylight, you can hear it walking around outside down in the grass and stuff, but you couldn't see it with no light. Well, I decided I was going to go down to the pond, which is about one hundred one hundred and twenty yards straight in front of me, heading back towards the Paul's Valley, matter of fact, towards the river, falling down airy fishing, and it's it had a few smaller fishing.

30:48 It need to be cold out a little bit, you know, hadn't been harvested enough, you know, out of it over the years. So I was throwing the fish over the bank. And when this bank is sold sixty five foot to the bottom of the ravine down there. But it's nice grade, you know, it's it was built. So I'm just tossing over my back, not thinking much of it, and I hear something down there lot there's a deer or something in behind me, and said it said one more. And when it said one more, I just set my rod down and looked over, you know, climbed up the bank there and looked over, and it was sitting there, the same thing that had been sitting there watching me every night. They said one more and giving me one finger. I thought, hop the hell. Uh, So I dropped back over the dell and said, okay, you know, I was kind of shooking up.

31:37 As long as you're eating the fish and not me, we're cool. Uh, you know. So I pitched another great big perch over and this time he hopped up around the top of the bank and was sitting there. Uh, and he waited for the fish. This time, I thought Jimminy Christmas said you. I just kind of looked at him, and he didn't look mad or nothing. He just was wiggling his toes, waiting on the next fish. I mean, that's the he looked like he was anticipating a meal. I mean, for free, like I had nothing, no problems with him or nothing, you know, like he knew me from day one. Big for a SOCIETYHO would be right back after these messages. I mean, that's the way he was treating me. So I kept catching fish, and when I throwed the big crappie in the basket, he kind of grunted at me. I said, oh, I got to eat too. And he walked down there and looked in the basket and picked him up and looked at me, and he set the basket back down. He's he kind of walked in a little closer in behind him and sat down. I kept the fishing, kept the fishing. Finally, carton ice crappie. I tossed up her TOOI this time, and he eat it up, got up and didn't say nothing, didn't make a noise, and just walked off into the woods, plumbed down to the river where I couldn't hear him no more. And I didn't see him for three or four days. So the next encounter was probably

33:08 I see I went to church that Sunday, so I guess it was Tuesday night. Uh. The wife, my now wife, she come out and brought me dinner and everything, and she's gonna stay tonight. So she stayed tonight. She got up to pee. Uh, she screamed. I mean that's all there was to it. She'd never seen one. Uh, So I stuck my head out the window the deal and said what's oh hey the guy and he turned and just walked off. She come back into the tent and sat back down. She was pretty shaken. Said I think I'm just gonna leave. I said, okay, she says you're going to go. I said, no, he don't bother me, none, I said, And he had been hanging out. I said, he's all right. I said, I'll let you know. You know, if it gets worse or anything like that, or he gets to being a turd, and uh, he said, okay, Well, I think I'm gonna leave. I can't be around those That thing was hideous. I said, yeah, they're pretty ugly. I said, then if you're not used to it. You know, they're pretty scary. So she laughed and I did. I didn't see him that night. Uh well, anyways, Uh, I was cooking deer leg uh you know, pieces of it on the on the grill, and it come up, and when it come up, it looked up and saw the meat and it just kind of pointed out to me. I just kind of waved it done over. It would stopped, turned around, the whistled and made a little cooky noise and kind of I don't know what you would call it, a little gargle type of sound. And I heard two other

34:42 things set down in the world. So I handed him over the meat that was on the deal there, and he kept looking over at the rest of the deer. I said, just take what you want, you know, and he pulled the old deer right off into the woods. Whole thing that ain't cool. And so it didn't even leave me meat because I didn't give him what was already on the grill. Uh. So, well, they come back and he brought some of my deer back. Okay, the front two legs is all I got off that deer. Well, I filled off there and you know, I got my belly full anyways, and made jerky out of the rest of it. That's what I stayed up doing the rest of the night. Next morning, he was sitting up there camp waiting for me to get up and looking at it, looking at the jerky. Uh, well, crap, that's my breakfast. And he looked over at me and he just kind of kind of up on his toes and down like, Hi, how you doing. Didn't say nothing, didn't grunk, didn't do nothing, didn't no hand gesture, just and looked right back to the meat.

35:38 And I walked over and I got me a piece of hand at the hand he just plopped down, just grabbed a couple more pieces off there, and then whistled. And when he whistled, Uh, there was four more come out of the woods. Uh. There were one female and two smaller ones. One was probably the smaller of the two, was probably about four and a half foot, and another one was about six. The mona was the right added it, and he was setting in about nine and a half ten foot massive and five and a half foot of the shoulders. Uh, probably a good three in three and a half almost four at the hips. Big big, big, big boy, big boy, and he's the big guy. He didn't like me. He just he said, and just was showing teeth the whole time. I'd look over and he turned his head and like that, you know, not aggressive, but I would say that he wasn't very interested in being there, but somebody else was up there getting food for him, so he come up there. This went on. They tested me every night after that. I mean it was they had come up whistle tap on the tent. If I wouldn't get out of tent, the big guy would unzip the tent, hold the door open, and the guy that I was feeding. Uh, he would jerk me out by my ankle, not hard, just grabbing him and pull me out and hip clap do something.

36:59 You know. He wanted to he wanted to hang out. Uh. You know, of course I let him go through everything. You know, they didn't find no food, lost interest in me, and they'd shove off. Uh. This this went on almost nightly to every other couple of four nights or so. There'd be a day or two they'd be they wouldn't be there, and I'd get some sleep. Ah. He got to the point where I was sleeping in the daytime and up with them their jerks of a night. Uh, it was crazy. They well, that wasn't all of them, that's the thing. That wasn't all of them. There was nine total. One male, very large, uh probably eleven foot, very long haired, uh silver, silver's white. No hand on one on one side on his left side. Matter of fact, it was gone about mid four no no hand lost the scars. So I think he was the top alpha before. That's kind of what I thought. So that means there's other ones around there. Well, anyways, they got to where they was learned how to open my truck up. That was interesting. I come into the camp from going and taking a shower up the road at the local city lake, and I come back and everything and my truck was tore out, clothes, food, what they didn't like, they just stomped it. I saw gee Is then the one of the females come in there, and she tried to tell them who it was, but she was pointing the tracks, and you

38:32 know, and I didn't pay much attention to the tracks. I was seeing them every day. You know, kind of lose interest in tracks when you got the thing sitting there, you know, M I want to go back to something you said, So you said there was a time where your tent was unzipped and it dragged you out of the tent. Yeah, no, it was zipped. The biggest mail he unzipped it held the door was to hel the flap open, and the one that was friendly to me. He reached in there every time by the ankle, very gently and would just pull, you know, just like he used to pull your kid across the floor right on out. Of course, then all that it got to be kind of comical for a while, and then it got to be kind of annoying.

39:19 When you know, you know, you just didn't want to get up, you tell him know, and he would be a little more forceful. And then it got to where he was rolling me out across the deal some nights, you know, because I didn't well, I was having seen it wasn't feeling good. So this went on the way see him, I don't know, numerous times, uh, in and out, daytime, nighttime. I mean, it didn't matter. Uh the guy that owns it, he swears and down there's nothing in there, But yet he won't come and mow anymore. Over there, I do all the mowing. Okay, so uh yeah, it is and this happened, uh when uh, after I had moved out. He I'm thinking that he drove in and thought it was they thought it was me, and they stepped out in the road. That's kind of what I'm thinking, because I mean that's how it got to be.

40:07 Why to pull in the truck. I mean, they was already coming out to meet me. I mean it was crazy. Wow, is that you got to see? This place is thick. I mean it's thick, you know, and it's there's houses all around them except for along the river. I mean it's crazy. I mean they got right up in town. I mean they come up hearts the lake occasionally, you know, and and this around the lake coast. He's got stories so which is pretty common. I mean this this is the same area that they found the Paul's Valley giant skeletons. Matter of fact, I'm about h three quarters of them mile from the exact location where they found them. And I'm not familiar with with that, but I could probably guess a very large skeleton that was found. I'm guessing numerous very large scalp and six toes, six fingers. These these only have five though the creatures that you had five. Yeah, they only have five, only have five? Okay, yeah, very interesting. Did you ever try to take a picture of them or did you. Well, every time you pull your phone out, uh, it kind of stirs up problems.

41:31 There would be some squawking amongst the males and uh they would try to take the phone away from you and destroy it. And I got I got banged up pretty good, you know, trying to get my phone, keeping from getting it because it was ring. Uh. So they're highly intelligent, highly intelligent. Uh well, at this point in time, they had made no no communications other than hands gestures pointing stuff like that. Uh, get my team. Wow. When I started having the seizures in front of them, they were much They started from talking to me and pampering me and stuff and bringing me food. And they knew I was sick, you know. So uh yeah, they know English. It's not it's not like me and you talking. It's pretty pret uh plain, lame, very simple. You know me this, me that, you this. You know they understand that.

42:35 And I think they understand more, they just don't say it. Uh. But they have their own language. Uh. I know that. I know they speak Cherokee, uh because I've heard them do it down in Pittsburgh County. Uh. You know that we had school and they taught Cherokee in our school, uh for several years there. And so I've kicked up on the Cherokee and I heard them talking in the woods. Uh so. But the place, this place I'm talking about, I got to see a lot of cool stuff. Uh. They hunted rattlesnakes. This places eat up with timber rattlers. Uh. That was a main staple that I could sit in camp and have a rattle snake every day or two or three. And if the neighbors mode, which is directly in behind me yards away. Uh, there was a big wall of the brush and stuff from green briars and and multi floor rose pusts that kind of blocked the view. Uh. But when they mode, the snake's gonna crawling out of the brush. Uh So, and I get them when they got to the notepark, whack them in the heads getting them out. That was lunch, you know, pretty easy for yourself.

43:35 Well yeah, for myself for myself. Yeah, because a lot of times it was super hot and they would they wouldn't. They kind of went got real real hot. You wouldn't see them. He just they wouldn't be up there on top of it on the sun. I don't know where they went. Like I said, I wasn't getting around good in the woods to follow them around and stuff. Not much anyways, we walked down the pond or something like that. Can walk up down the creek, easy, the easy walk and stuff. You know, I think they kind of news, do you well? I have a question. This might be a totally left left turn or something like that. But you know you you said you're in it. You're about in your early forties. Were you involved or had any interactions with people that were involved with the siege that happened about twenty years ago?

44:31 Uh? No comment, Okay, I respect that, all right, we signed stuff, so no comment. We hunted them, Okay, I hunted them for a long time. This isn them before this. This is what we're talking about right now. I've shot dozens of so okay, so you have you have hunted huh sasquatch and uh I guess the closes because uh well, uh, let's put it this way. It's just as good as they are in the woods. I can be just as good, if not better. Sure, And you've dispatched of multiple is what you're saying. Yes, Uh. For a while there, it was it was well known that's what I've done. Uh, you know, and people would call me all the blue they have problems. Uh you know, you know what you've heard the stories. Uh raid in the house is tearing it up, you know, causing problems with the family. Yes, so we shot those things.

45:35 Uh. There was an Indian, a Cree Indian who used to live down the road for me that we traded quite a bit. You know. He was a older man. He drank a lot. But uh he showed me, he says. Uh, he says, I noticed and things like to follow you and your dad around down there. And of course I didn't know even knew that, you know, they was following us. I said, what things? He said, you know what I'm talking about. He said, let me show you how to call them things up. And he showed me how to do it. But he also made a u uh a concoction uh of of animal parts and you'd burn it on the fire till it was a go, add water to it, and then you let it steam off of there and let it bowl down to pretty much nothing. And when that started smoking in the bottom of the pan. Uh, it would be very long if the if the wind was right. Uh, they smelt that they were they were going to come, and it was always brought an aggressive always a broad and aggressive squatch every time they come to fight when he when they smell that, can you go over what was in? Or God? I don't. None of you guys need to know that. Uh you're gonna get yourselves hurt. Uh you need you know you're gonna get yourself hurt and you're gonna get I've been slammed across over two and a half three miles through the woods by female. She had me by my h overall straps and was slinging

47:09 me into the brush and stuff. I think she was trying to hijack, is what she was trying to do, But we were trying to kill her. It took us three years to get her in two other shots that was causing the problems. Three years. Yeah, that this particular one that that wore me and Tom out. Uh. Yeah, we could come on the property. She wouldn't even sit. And we'd come on the property with intens being out of the truck and this thing was already flipping out big for society will be right back after these messages. Didn't matter whether it's dark or daylight.

48:00 She had a great, big, tall mountain that they're on the top right on, I mean right there at the house. I mean that's where it was watching us from. They knew when we come in, come out, and everything else. They're like ninjas right there have been There are multiple people that have said, and I'm thinking of people that are involved with Area X, they've had the creature in their sights and they have not been able to pull the trigger because of how it looks. Is that anything that you struggled with or how are you look? No, No, dude, when it's got a limb, a limb eleven foot long, eight inches across the base of it and going to smash your head, no problem. I'll pull the trigger every time. I ain't got no problem with your aggressive. I'll kill you fair enough. I mean that goes for any man or anything like that. I mean, my life is fear. Yeah, your toes, Yeah, if I can get it, I got it, okay, all right? Uh uh but yeah they they Yeah, that was a that was a bad group. After we got those three shot outs. Uh it was it calmed down. She still has squatches over there, but they sure don't miss with her, Uh, nor none than the other neighbors. Has there ever been a time, I'm sorry, was Has there ever been a time when you were hunting them during that time where it got really close to being

49:31 game over for you? No, because I usually took the upper hand the time. Uh. I use reverse tactics. They like to have the high ground. Let them have the high grounds, but don't let them get it to it. Don't don't let yourself be open to the high ground. In other words, make it mix itself. Uh hard to get to in that low ground. Uh. Use areas that are small type fit into. Uh that's good, good place. Don't even try climbing trees. They can climb it faster than you can even think about. Uh, I mean literally swing from it, jump from tree to tree. Uh. There, I've seen the squats. I was tracking him. Uh he noticed me, you know, he turned around, was checking this back, so he saw me.

50:16 I took about four or five ten steps, big jump steps, and hopped up on trees and started and so I couldn't follow his tracks anymore. Uh. He went on through their fret four hundred yards before he ever stopped doing that. Of course I could see him and hear him, so it didn't really make much difference. He didn't he couldn't see me. He just knew I was behind him. Wow. They're very shy. They don't want to hang. They don't want no problems out of us. Ninety nine percent of the time. Uh. The where you're where you're coming in and they're growling at you. That growl is uh to get you to get gone. Uh. They like to intimidate. Uh. They liked the bluff. Uh.

50:57 But once once the the the foot stomping's done, uh, and there's no more whistling going on, and it's going to whoops you you were after welcome, It's time to get out now. Not every clans like that. The clans. I could take the clans over here. I guarantee by the time we walk in in twenty minutes, sitting up, they're already going to be surrounding us and jacking with us. Uh. And they're not nice. We don't go in there very often. So after you would dispatch of one, what would happen to the body? Oh, they snag it up every time? Who would every time they would squatch us, so they would rush it. So you okay, so you would take one out and they would if you if you shot one, I guarantee you there was there was two or three right there near it, and they would draw your attention off to one side or the other, throwing rocks something like that, and they would pick it up. And you know, I mean sometimes you get another shot, two shots, you know, and get two or three. But they always they always had somebody come pick them up. The one time that we didn't and uh this was this was well, this was when just shortly before they come in and shot a lot of them. Uh. So we turned it in and then it was four and a half weeks uh in penitentiary more or less. Uh on on a government base. I don't know where it was that the d off the house. So you got taken to a government base

52:31 for dispatching it. We turned it, we turned it into we turned it into the park within I guarantee it within two and a half hours. I was already in a van and was was sedated. Really snag snagged me up right up out of out of my own yard. Didn't even they pulled, they pulled the country on me. It's what they've done. I was at attention to have my guard. Let that took country down. Wow. Oh man, And so you came to and then all I heard was about about five yards before he got to me, because they come around the back side of the Uh they shed there. I heard the grass move and I whirled around and I was hit tout. I mean that was they hit me with a bean bag charge right inside the head. Why do you think, Why do you think they wanted you in that in that government base. Oh, because they wanted They wanted me to help. But I didn't want to kill them out. I just I told them, I said, we only we only hunt problems squatches. I said, you go in these mountains and I said, most most of you guys are are just You're going to be just in the wind. They're just gonna disappear and they're gonna step off in the caves and that's gonna be the end of it. You're not going to find them. Well, they found them. Uh, they saw a lot off the park. Uh. Then the following within six eight months of them being done and cleared out. Uh, they cut the cedars. And when they cut the cedars, what what few remained they moved. Uh and I'm still I know where that group's at. Can't get to them because it's on private land and they won't let me in there. So you're saying there was talk

54:06 tall. It's oh boy, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Now you understand why. Kind of kind of spooky bad things. But anyways, so it's it's a Choctaw land and it's landlocked, right. Uh no, it's Chickasaw Land. I'm sorry, I forgot where that is. Chickasaw Land, Chickasaw the chalk Tall on down down south in the Geek Creek area. But this is uh no, they're they're they're Murray Garvin County. Uh yeah, that's what these are here. Uh So, yeah, they so they got a bunch of lands, you know, just pockets out and this is uh I'll tell you right where it's at. They got a big old recreation center just on the other side of the lake and it's right there. They moved off into the valleys into there, and you can steal.

55:06 They still come to the lake hunt at night. They just don't live there anymore. And I just want to verify one more. So you're saying that there was a big group from the base that actually went out and dispatched a multiple sasquatch in a time period, dozens dozens. At one time, me and Charles Hallmark had documented at least forty different individuals that lived on the park alone on the tavertine Guy Sandy side of what park is on Chicksaw National Recreation A tavertine, you know, you go into the town there one side the roads, Taverntine or Platte National, I think that's what they call it now. They renamed it about three times here lately. So, but yeah, it's the Chicksaw National Recreation Area. That's and you're not going to see when you get on the recreation or you're not going to see a whole lot of squash activity. It's just not there anymore. Uh. Jim Whitehead, I believe he had went up and down Sandy a few times and they got you know, tracks and whatnot. But you just don't see that anymore.

56:20 Uh. When the lake is low, my best option if you want to go find tracks would be the Catfish Bottoms area. But the lake needs to be low because it's too rocky. When the lake gets low at least a silk and they'll they'll travel the silk collecting the duck weed and stuff along the creek bank. Wow, salt grass to ware rails. Think fine, I've talked to Jim before. He's a great guy. He's got some incredible information from the western part of the state. No, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet. Just just no, just know where he's been through, mainly through Charles, you know, and watch him on faceboot whatnot? You know here and there? Do you know of any Have you heard of any interactions that have happened from Laflora County itself? Yeah, a couple. Uh, they're not much just you know, they come into camp, leave camp.

57:12 You know, nothing dangers or anything like that. Just just siding. That's all it is. That's usually all you see over there. Uh, there's a couple of families there, but I know they won't will not want to be on that, so I'm not going to mention it. But yeah, there's a couple of families in there. Uh, the Indian families. They don't quite a bit of ground back in there, and I think the last fifteen years they quit leasing it out to all of your hunters too. Wow, So that's a big deal not to do that because that's a lot of money that gets brought in. Well, I think the tribes supplement them, so oh sure, that's out of my knowledge. Yeah, well that's just just coming down the grapevine from them. You know, I got you.

57:54 So it's it's been deemed to protected area. Is don't want to destroy them? You know, why do they not want to destroy them? You think it's part of their history and culture, my friend, Yeah, definitely, it's one of the few things that they can still grasp onto. Why do you think everything else has been wiped out for him? Why do you think Oklahoma has so many accounts of aggressive Sasquatch? It just seems like it is the epicenter of all that is aggressive in the Bigfoot world. Well, you have to look at the biodiversity and we shoot twenty years ago. Man, places that I used to hunt and fish are now houses. It's it's the grounds getting smaller and smaller, so you're having more interactions. When you have interactions, you shoot one of the males that don't kill it, But guess what that male is going to kill every one of the clan members do not hang around people, disappear, just walk away. And that's how they survived. I mean, you know, if you can remember back in your history days, growing up in high school or you know, you they talked about the evolution and all this and and uh, you know and crow magnets that go onto the scene, you know, the kind of they. They theorized that it pushed chrow magn or you know, uh, the Neanderthals back

59:27 into the higher cultivations, into the more remote areas. Uh. So you know, it's pretty self explanatory. You do that for you know, twenty thousand, thirty thousand years, you know. But uh, you know a lot of a lot of the native tribes say they didn't become aggressive for the most part. I mean, you know, there was some Like everybody, there's different tribes and different plans, and uh, now I'm learning that there's different squatches. Uh you know, I only thought there was two different kinds, that nice kind and the bad kind. The bad kind was always red in color. I mean, every bed, every every terrible interaction I've ever had, a dangerous squats red, every last think in one of them.

1:00:10 Really, Yes, the black ones I've had, I've had some close encounters, but they always let me walk away. They never pursued it. Once I turned and turned my back to them, they let it be. Did you ever hear of any that were four toad Uh? Well, we shot a three toed one. They had three toes and three fingers on that's that's that's the only different one that I ever seen. But it was also red and gray. Uh. Its eyes were much bigger. Uh. It didn't have coloration in the eyes. It was almost a solid black, very little white around the eyes. They did not have the uh, like the mustache, like the like the my squatch has got. I call them wood apes.

1:01:02 I don't call them squatches, they're wood apes. So that's very interesting. They act, they act like a damn eight. They are an eight, but yet they're not. I mean, for one minute they could be an eight. In the next minute they could be a man. I mean, you know what I'm saying. In the way they act, if that makes sense, Not in the way they look, but the way they act big for society, who will be right back after these messages. So that's really cute because so earlier you were like, it looks like in the end theirself, but you're saying there's some very intense ape behavior that is also happening as well. Yes, very very intense. It's it's almost textbook chimp slash gorilla uh like a lot like a lot of times when the chimpanzees they get excited, I did h they you know, they do that real and the squatches do that too. But it doesn't mean that they're always going on hunt.

1:02:08 Just means that they're excited or uh. That's that's kind of a oh man, that's not good. It's you know, kind of an alert, I need to get out of here type of thing, you know, and it's letting the other uh squatches around no. Uh. But but the way they set up here in the arbuckles is not like how they set up back home. Back home, they set up sentinels. Uh, and you didn't get with If the sentinels were out and you got within the sentinels, the sentinels pushed you back. You just you know, they would they would they would make it known that you wasn't supposed to be there. They would either escort you out or they'd throw stuff at you, you know, and to get you turned around, make noises, uh, you know, different stuff like that. Uh, these here, they don't do that. Once at his daylight, they get back off in the mountains, and they're they're not going to be out and about. They're not going to set up on top of the cliffs and stuff be looking at. It's just too bald and open.

1:03:04 And I think that's the main reason they don't let the arbuckles have a monster cave system underneath it, really massive massive. Do you think they utilize that? Oh, definitely, definite. They did back home. I don't know why they don't hear. I mean, I've not run across the I haven't run across the I know where the cave is at. I just can't get to. We'll put it that way. They just don't let you get nowhere near it. I mean, it's just they just won't. How did they stop it visiting? Oh, they come out to see it. They make it known. This particular place. Yeah, this place is the same place that the owner won't come within a mile and a half of this particular mountain he owns probably hmmm, I think you said seven and a half square miles in there. So he's got a pretty good junk of land, and so the mountains that mountain is. I can hunt the bottom of it, but I ever get close to the to the base of it. Uh.

1:04:11 I get escorted out every time. And if you have a long rifle with it, yeah, you're going that's asking for trouble with these guys. Sure that they're gonna they pick up bigger rocks instead of throwing stuff the size you know, hickory nut size, and they pick up stuff to size baseballs up the basketballs and jump at you when you have a rifle. They absolutely don't like them. And I tell everybody when we go in there, don't carry it along along weapon, you know, put it on your side. Forty four magnum, you know. Uh, don't you put hall upon senn They ain't gonna penetrate. Uh. You know right well, when you've been out there with the big big for the squatches, have you ever heard anything that did not make sense? Why am I hearing this in this situation right now?

1:05:02 Any speech or just any I've never well, let me let me get into this. I've never seen a ufo. I've never seen orbs around them. Uh never. Never. Now, I have seen orbs on lake you follow. One night we was catfishing and it was, Oh, I don't it was. It was big. It was kind of orange color, and it shot across the sky and it turned real like it wasn't a plane, you know, it was huge, but it did nothing ever occurred. But when it flew across the water, it moved the water. That's what we couldn't get because it pushed the water, you know. It put us a ripple across the water out in front of it and then behind it, and it was one hundred foot in the air. And then I've seen I've seen little orbs dancing around, uh down like in the swampy areas, you know.

1:05:53 Uh, but in swamp gas. I've seen swamp gas line up at night and that's pretty neat. Uh, it's kind of creepy, uh Like, well, what's going on? But that's all it is. Going to get towards it and smell it, you know what it is. Uh. But yeah, I've never I've never seen the orbs and stuff that. I mean, they don't disappear like everybody says they are. I'm telling you their ninjas, their ninjas, they they're they're not spirits. Trust me, If it bleeds, it dies, spirits don't bleed spirits don't die, got it? Have you ever heard that they might be other stuff out there in the woods? Go ahead? Have you ever heard of babies cry when you've been out there? Yes, I have had the baby sit uh this place here, Uh the place that we've been talking about, uh, up here where I'm at now, norst of me. Uh. I've been asked or not asked if she just tossed it up her in the tent and looked at me and shook its finger, which I kind of figured out, man, not to get out, you know. And it looked at me and it shook finger and kind of you know, not let it out, you know.

1:06:56 And they went home. Uh, they ended up coming back with a couple of hogs. It didn't take them long, maybe forty five minutes, because they were sitting in camp. Uh they heard the hogs scream done on the river. Uh. One of them and four or five of them started discussing something amongst theirselves. And she got up, brought the kid over there, drops it in the tent. And you could smell my tent right now. It still smells like it. I can't wash it and get the smell out for some reason. H So soybody, is there a baby? Say yes. When I say baby, I mean like free foot, talk able to walk, able to hop. Uh, but you know it's still pretty weak cudes button I mean, Uh. Their fingernails are white when they're small, their fingertips are or you know, their their palm is Caucasian looking, you know, the hairs or the skins Caucasian, and it darkens up as they get older and it's a more melanistic color to it. What do their teeth look like? Just flat and flat and white? Uh? They actually choose several different routes to clean, believe it or not. Just like they're just like ours, but much much wider and much broader, much more robust built.

1:08:10 Have you ever been to a place called purgatory? Okay, don't don't know where that's at. Okay, now, purgatory like like way up west. I think we. I think we drove through it one time, But as far as getting out and stopping not, I've just I've just heard of it in different interviews mentioned and I know it's related to Kombo Baker, but I don't know much about it. So I was just curious about it. No, I hadn't heard about that place. Uh, Like I said, bigger bottoms, peacock Collar and that's going to be a local name. Uh. And then sick Sycamore Hollow on the river down here, that's that's uh, that's a it's got a lot of ze mines up there on that base cliff and lots of reports used to be lots of reports from that area, but the people have since moved away, and there's it's all all the houses up in there are abandoned now and there's like four homes. Do you think the Satin Sasquatch are still there? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm sure they are. Usually when they pick a spot, they don't go nowhere.

1:09:15 I don't know where everybody gets these migration deals, and maybe the ones up Mors do mine are not they're there now. They may bounce around four or five, eight, ten miles, you know, to where the food's good. Uh. But usually, if if it's like this year, they eat their part. They ain't moving. There's enough stuff to eat. The only time I ever see them disappear is when it gets like last year, they disappeared on me and it just now showed back up. In the last four and a half months or so you couldn't tell you where they went either. What how long has it been since you you've seen a bigfoot? See when it was Turkey season April. Yeah, yeah, it's it's stepped out in the pipeline. Uh. And then when it when it saw the hen decoy up there, it looked, you know, and looked and saw me and turned and went right back in. Uh. And this is this is one of the places that they know me there. So it wasn't to freak out.

1:10:20 He was just looking for a meal. But I've kind of, oh well, I had to shoot at one of the males over here, and so they've kind of they kind of stopped coming straight up to me and hanging out like they used to. Now kind of dangerous. I wouldn't hurt him to say that. So I just shot over his head, so leave me alone. That's the only reason I've done it. And they ran Mooski for about a month and he started popping back in, you know, and I tossed the fish over the deal with fish. But it wasn't like it was I mean, but yeah, as far as getting in there and seeing them on the river, Yeah, it's not too big with a problem. You know, the neighbors all know about him over there, most of them, most of them won't even go on the river. Yeah, I'm so thankful for your time. It's been over an hour. This has been amazing.

1:11:11 We'll end with this, like, what are the questions that people like me are not asking that we should be asking about these creatures? Uh? Well, mainly, why do you all want to get so close to them? That's what I want to know. I understand the infatuation with them, but they're a highly dangerous animal. Uh if you're if you're not well aware of their body language. Uh and the postures. Uh. You guys have got all the calls almost all wrong for what they stand for. The Ohio. How is a location called between a marriage what what we would call me and you a married couple or you know that's from his from him to her.

1:11:57 That's what that is, and that's uh not for darkness. She should get bad off because the males do not stay with the klan. Most of the time they're around very close, but the usually don't stay with them becausey're kind of dangerous, the pricks. But but you get a family clan, uh, you know where it's several of them and they all work together. It's totally different atmosphere. There'll be one or two that make all the decisions and everybody else they'll they might not like it, but they'll go along with it. If you have a problem with one of them, of the klan uh and you ever get alone with him, uh, he's probably gonna kill you.

1:12:41 That's just that's just the way they are. They're very act like a little spot rotten kids what they act like. If they don't get the way, they get mad, and it could be day two days, three days, four days, five days before they get unmad. And sometimes they just don't ever get mad at you. They just they don't like you. And that's where you see all this stuff going on. But a lot of it's trying to communicate to you, uh, you know, because they they just soon work with you then against you for sure. But you know, if they can't trust you, they they won't have nothing to do with you. And they're they're they're very weird like that, very selective who they who they hang out with. I mean, I took a man and a couple out of Florida over to uh this place that the Dangerous Squatches and within three hours at the dark, they were already gone. And I'm talking about the squatches, I'm talking about the other two people. Uh they literally left in it full. They still got their gear. They won't even talk to me on Facebook for nothing. Now, scared I tried to send them there. Yuh.

1:13:51 Well, she got hit with a stick across the back. It was about three inches in diameter and knocked her on the ground. And I told him, you know, once it gets dark, put your helmets on. And he didn't put a helmet on, didn't even bring one, and they, I mean, they just rained down on us, which is that's this way they are. I'll sit there in it, you know, just just pad up and just just sit there and let them. Let them take it, you know, because they'll they'll eventually get tired of it, and that's when they'll come into camps and start you know, why aren't you leaving? You know, they get a little more bold, but they won't just pre up and smack you in the head for no parent reason. You know, he's not going to kill you because you come into his territory. You know, he's just not He's going to try to push you out, and he just through eighteen, twelve, thirteen, fourteen times that you're just not going to push that he'll try to make friends with you if you're not take it from his belly. Wow, that's fascinating when you go to when you go to take it from their food, that's when they get mad at you.

1:14:58 Country. The thing that's just we weird is that other people have said that the whole leave half of what you what you get. That's that comes that comes from back in the old days, from back when we used to work hand in hand together with him. You know, that's how that's how you lived side beside with him. You left, you left half, you know, So, hey, I know you're here. You know, because we're much better hunters than they are by far. They're just better woodsmand than we are. It's because if you'll set a man, if you'll set a man in the woods for a year, I guarantee you he'll be a different person. And if you get a man that knows how to hunt and fish and he has a squat sighting, you turn that man into you can you can put him up against it and if he can hold his gumption to it, and I should say you can put him up to against any man that the military ever trained. I guarantee you as far as brass, you know, having the gumption well, because these things can a psychological effect on it and if you let them. I mean I picked that up the way I look the way I look at it. If you if you can't build a car, you ain't top dog. You know what I'm saying. If you can't make a projectile come out of a bullet, you know I have a gun, you're not top dog. Uh. But until you level the playing field and then who's top dog? Yeah, that's the thing we lost. We've lost that that that old way to us, you know, we we've become

1:16:30 very uh uh easy going. I guess you would say it lazy. I agree with that country. Before we we finish up, do you have any any final last words or uh? Uh? Yeah, when you got when you guys go to wood knock and don't knock the fire out of the tree, because that's a sign of aggression. Uh, that's why you have all the That's why they come into you immediately. I know that's what you want. Uh start off with a with a single light wood knock, because when you go to pounded on that wood and like a lot of these guys are doing. Uh, you you're gonna you're one of these times you're gonna run across the wrong squatch and and he's gonna be looking for a female or a clan to join. And well that's a sign of oppression. Uh, So don't do that, don't don't make don't hit it as hard as you can.

1:17:23 I mean, just just light knocks. Uh three three three is Uh, you're in trouble. Uh, that's what they're their Their deal is if they scream your screw Uh after the three knocks go and they go to screaming at you, or it's a wailing like if you hurt one, yeah, you're probably not going to get out alive. If if you're not used to it. I mean they're they're very very very fast, and it dark. You can't hard assume when you're moving. I mean they're that past mhm. You might catch the eye for eye glow, you know, occasionally if they look at you, but other than that, you're just gonna catch a little pleading shadow, you know, with with the lot ninety nine times at one hundred, I mean they're very sneaky. That's incredible Thank you so much, Country, this has been an incredible chat. I really appreciate it. Will you bet Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. All right,

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