Country, The Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter

0:00 I said, hey, that's my deer, and it looked at me again and roared and looked at Dad and seemed the gun, and then it really roared. Of course I'm shaking. I said, fat, ain't mex move, Just shut it in my head Dad, And of course, Dad, I don't know whether he hurt me or not. I took two steps up and tore. I could see up on the flat and I pointed to the deer and it looked at the deer, looked at me snarled. I looked back at the deer, it's my deer. And I reached to go grab another limb to take a step up in it. Well, Dad shot and missed it about an inch and a half. Well, he looked at my bead and tapped its head like, damn, that was close, you know. I mean that the thing had fear in its eyes. I said, in mine, And all I got was a leg. It stepped over there with in about two steps. It was probably twelve thirteen yards from him, but two steps or so then to over tore the back leg off and slung it right into my chest and set me right back into the creek. Welcome to the Big Society Podcast on this episode of the privilege of talking to Country from the great state of Oklahoma. Country has had many different interactions with Sasquatch in his state, and I would ask that you approach this episode with an open mind. Hopefully some people listening will have memories jogged of things they've experienced in the past after hearing this episode. We also need to take a minute to talk about something really important, and it's free to do here at Bigfoot Society. We are shooting for the moon. We want to go all the

1:33 way to the top, but we need your help to get there. Please make sure you've subscribed on YouTube and podcast platforms and share these episodes with a friend. That's the only way we're going to get to where we're going. And let's get into the show, all right, Big Society. I've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who came to me through Facebook Messenger. He is from the state of Oklahoma. He's got some very interesting things to share. His name is Country the Country. How's it going? That's going great? Louis warm out here in the season. Oh man, I hear you. We're burning up in Iowa. But I'm sure it's sod or down there. Oh yeah, we had yesterday it was one hundred and twenty one heat in Dix, so yeah, it was pretty hot. Wow that is And you're in h well, I mean there's different parts of Oklahoma, right, I'm in the old Local Mountains, Okay, Yeah, so south southern Oklahoma just above Texas, right, yeah, I call it south central, Southern Southern, and south central all right, all right, Yeah, I'm familiar with the southeast corner, as you can imagine. I talked to a few people from over there, so you're the first that I've talked to from the Arbuckle Mountains area, so that's pretty cool. I've talked to a gentleman

3:04 over in the western part of the state as well, but excited to talk to you tonight. So it sounds like you have quite the history. But how did things start out with you with Well, we lived in We lived in Pittsburgh County back all since eighty four. The incident there probably happened in when I was thirteen. I'm forty three now, so you can do the math. I was both hunting and it was just about dark. I hadn't seen a whole lot, you know, it's pretty quiet evening hunt. Uh, you know, usually see quite a bit, but not that evening.

3:44 I noticed a few of the birds and stuff kind of just shut up all of a sudden, and they was looking back to my east down the creek, the Coal Creek. So I looked that way, picked up a binoculars, and I didn't see that. I think, oh, it's probably dogs or deer coming through, or bobcat, you know, the way they shut up. I didn't see nothing. And it went two or three minutes. A lot was fading pretty quick. Then all of a sudden, I noticed the movement through the trees right along the creek edge. I picked up my binoculars and a look, and I immediately knew it was not a deer. It was not a bear. I wasn't real sure what it was because it still had a little bit of brush it stepped on out there. It was just caslic kind of strolling down the bank, just pital farting around, and it stopped when the wind shifted from my face to just slightly over my shoulder blowing right to it. It stopped. It picked its head up. It looked like it was smell in the air, like a deer would do, or you know, an animal, and I flose it. It was pretty good size, probably eight and a half, and I could tell it was a female. Believe it or not. It had memory glands that I tell well. I got to see it very flat faced, much of a cone, but it was there was a ridge there, but it could have been here. It wasn't just the most well groomed animal that you would see in the in the woods. She had throwed her heads up and started swaying back

5:15 and forth slightly and looking around and checking her back trail for some reason. She finally the wind just kind of picked up a little bit more and it was just too much. She ducked down off into the creek, and all I could see was the top of her shoulders in her head, and she kept peeking up over the top of the bank and looking. She never did see me, but once she cleared me about two hundred yards, I heard her come back up into the woods about even with me on the creek bank, and she screamed. I did not do nothing. I waited until dark. I planned to sit there until plumb into well the next daylight the next morning before I climbed down, and of course I knew my parents would get a little worried. But nothing new for me to come strolling in two or three, four o'clock in the morning, you know, from being hunting.

6:06 But so I wasn't too worried. But about eleven o'clock I seen the light up there on top of the mountain, which is about oh, about a mile and three quarters away. It's pretty steep mountain, you see it. And I could barely make him out hollering for me. I did not say a word. I sat there until he come down there to where I was at, and it was my dad. I told him, I said, Dad, you shouldn't be up there or down on the ground. There's there's big foots here. He said, Oh, they ain't gonna bother you. They never bothered you before. Come on down. And when I hit the ground, she screamed again, and another one screamed, and then another one screamed, and then whoops, all down the ridge he just come off of and we kind of just he just said, this keeps close to me, just a matter of fact. Just put your finger in my back belt loop and we'll just go right the way we come out down here. I didn't hunt that bottom for several years. He made me stay on top of the mount and after that close to the house for several years. UM. So that was the first incident. A few sorry, can I ask you a few questions? That is really intense. So you you were pretty much surrounded by a Sasquatch. We were surrounded for a good two and a half to three miles up and down the creek. I would say there was at least a dozen or more uh individuals that rang up that night. And that's that's what that's why she was checking her back trail. Do you feel you know?

7:34 Oh, yes, No, they didn't know I was in there. They didn't know I was in there, or they wouldn't even have showed theirselves because we hadn't had. Uh, we've had, you know, strange things happen. You know, you've heard the stuff, you know, bumping on the glass, bumping on the house. Uh, you know, throwing stuff up on the porch. Uh. They would leave gifts pretty often. Uh. And now, of course I didn't know this until I got up into my mid thirties, but my dad had been feeding the dang things, so he knew about him. He knew, he knew very well about him, and he kept them secret even from me, and I was probably the favorite son. You know, we hunted together, fish together. I mean I was on his side constantly, and he didn't tell me until you know, he started getting down hill and then he told me what he knew and which by that time I had already acquired a mass of information on the things I want to say. Just being out in the woods, real quick to the listener for context of where we're talking, this is. You already said, this is Pittsburgh County, and this is two counties to the west of Lafloora County and Oklahoma, just so people realize, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of mining. Coal mining that went on in that particular mountain had lots of old mines and stuff in it. A lot of them were classed at the instance. But I'm sure if you knew the it's better than I did.

9:01 You know, you probably knew where to get in. And they probably hit it too. You know, they're they're not dumb animals. I mean, when they'll climb up and stick a deer in the top of one hundred and seventy five foot red oak tree and it's seventy five foot off the ground and all you can see is the head sticking over the top and there ain't no claw marks on it. What done it? Is that something you've you've seen yourself? Yeah, they do it a lot down there. They stick them down there all the time. That's nothing. You'd be walking what that's known. If you don't look up, you're probably not going to notice it. But nine times that ten, it's one of the they put it in the deal. And the reason I believe they do that is because all the bears. I don't I don't have any proof on that though, but that they like to stick them in the trees up there or down there, I should say here they don't do that. They kill it and it's it's probably eat that night down in Arbuckle. Yeah, yeah, I got you.

9:54 Do you think your father had interactions with the Sasquatch back when you were thirteen? Like it sounded like he knew what was going on? Oh yeah, he he He had other incidences my parents, my my my sister. Uh had an incident with my mom and my dad. They were camped out down at McGhee Creek before the lake had even filled up. Really uh, And it's screamed. Now, they didn't. They didn't come into camp that they said, it just the screen. Uh, my sister run off into the tent and they left out that morning. You know, the following morning they moved camp. So what Dad said, what he said, Yeah, Oh, this is gonna be seventies, early seventies. I've talked to multiple people about McGee McGee Creek and it's it's a very it's a dangerous, crazy hot spot. Dangerous. It's dangerous. They're they're they're crazy down there. Them squatses are dangerous. Uh, don't trust them. I'm assuming it's because of all the people in around the public there. That's the only thing I could think of, because we're you don't have a whole lot of people, you don't have a whole lot of anger. Or if they're in town. There's a lot of places like Sulfur that they come into town quite a bit at night. And another place another town north of Sulfur Paul's Valley, which is straight up by thirty five and it sets right on the wash, the Tall River. Most of your fast food is within a quarter mile to a half mile of the river banks and it's all open on the town side. You

11:28 know, it's all fields pretty much. And I've actually seen them driving down the road early crack of daylight morning, you know, just barely make everything out. You know, if you see deer up there, four five hundred ards, you can see deer, but there's no cows where these are at. And it's just past the high school too. There's a sleugh right there, and they were they were right on the deal of it, and they were sitting up and there was three of them big, and they were all black as far as I could tell, But their color varies as the sun it's a little bit so black would probably be the color was low light. You know, what have you heard from McGee Creek that makes you think that that area is is so dangerous for sasquatch Ah. Well, there's people it's been missing, still missing for the last fifty sixty years down there. It just doesn't happen a whole lot. It's not like some of the It doesn't get as publicity, as much publicity because of its region. You know, it's small town. Everybody's pretty tighten it. If you don't know anybody, you're probably not going to get on a place unless you have a bunch of cash. You know, money talks down there because they're poor. You know, it's just logging industry for the most part down there, and deer hunting at Lesa's. You know that's what they do. Do you know of a place called Booger Hollow? Sure, there's also a place on you followed like you followed that we call Booger Bottoms. It's it's a creek. It's it's uh, it's it's got a lot of cattails into towards the mouth though.

13:00 But once you get about a mile and a half back up in the creek from off the way, you're in prime territory. You'll you'll have something happen, usually within two or three nights there. And I grew up graduated out a Crowder. Okay, so I mean I know that late all that region down through there, plumb down to the Eagle Town, plumb down to you know, the Red River, were all over it. You're saying that in Booger Hollow, you're there two or three nights, you'll have stuff happen. Or do you mean the bottoms the bottoms Booger Bottoms doneral like you fallaw? Okay? Yeah, have you heard anything specifically about that has happened in Booger Hollow. Uh, not specifically. I don't know a whole lot of people there. Uh. The people that I knew I was a kid, old man Jelly that lived down around Red Oak. Uh. That place has squatches on it and he U he told us they was when the first time we come in camping. Uh, he says, I don't take something. Guys, don't you be shooting my wild people. I kind of thought that funny, and dad knew what it. Man. You know, he'd been in there several times. But Jelly coming in and kind of warned his kids not to be shooting anything on two legs. So he he actually said, don't go shooting my wild people. Yeah. Wow, his his daughter. Uh No, I probably better not feel that. And we'll just we'll just put

14:31 it this way. They're related, Okay, we'll put it that way. There's there's a relation there. We'll leave it is country. If ye as we're talking. If there's anything you need me to cut out, I will cut it out afterwards. So don't feel like you're you're gonna get trapped. But well, yeah, most it's pretty well general knowledge down around her part I mean they know uh uh you know, if you come to the house and your family, you're going to see it. U you know, it stays in the house. Let's put that way. So but yeah, they can they can mix. Let's put it that way. That's and that's the thing we can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about that. We don't need to talk about that. Government doesn't you can hear about that.

15:15 Oh boy, okay, and they probably already know. Yeah, well we'll leave that there, but you can pretty much get it all right. Well let's move on then. Um wow, s same county two years later. Now I had seen seen them, uh just you know, one hundred two hundred yards just stuff moving through the woods. You know, nothing, nothing aggressive, nothing that I would be overly concerned about. I mean, were still taking game and uh you know when were growing up, you brought game home every time you come in, you know, or or you may not got to eat that night. Um some weeks, you know, just depends. It was tight. Um. But uh so we was deer hunting.

15:56 I was sitting on the same Pence line. A matter of fact, it was the very same three stand. A deer had come down through there and then another deer, and then another deer just kind of normal. Then finally the deer I wanted to shoot, nice, nice ten point probably one hundred and thirty inch. You know, back then and in the early nineties, it was that was a big deer. Uh now I think so much, but I was. I was glad to shoot it. And well I shot it. I've seen it fall, you know, fifty five seventy five yards down through there. I've seen it chip over. But about five minutes later I also heard something where the thing had screamed at and what what it is? Let me give you a little better picture. It's a great big bend in the creek, makes a great big white horse shoe in the creek there, and where it starts to swing back, there's probably three and a half acres river cane in there. Uh, there's a big tunnels. I always thought the pigs had done it, because the pigs used it quite a bit too. After I got a little older, I learned not to go around the river can so much. They kind of like hanging out in there in the daytime. Uh, that thing come out of the river came. I didn't see it, but I could see my dad coming because he heard me shoot. He was, you know, four five hundred yards away back on to the other end of the the horseshoe there, setting on another bottle neck.

17:15 But well, he was walking down through there. He was pushing deer my way, hogs my way. I didn't shoot anything else, and he looked up at me and said, get it. I said, yeah, I think something picked up though he looked, well, let's come on, we'll just go to the house. No, No, it's a big deer. We're gonna we're gonna go see if we can't see it anyways, and maybe scared and maybe he'll drop it. That's and that's not the best idea. I was pretty stubborn, you know. I had had a rifle in the hand. I thought I was, you know, tough. We pursued on several hundred yards turned into about three and a half miles. Uh. Once we got into the area, we crossed the big slew that the the water treatment plant had made because the pipe leak real bad. It's they've since destroyed that Washington plant and everything, but so it's kind of dried up back in there now a little bit. But once we crossed that, in that main creek that fed it into it. I knowed where it was going because that's where the coal mines and stuff was at. And I mean we could see it two or three times, you know, setting five yards one hundred and ten yards just depending on the brush down through there. You know, it's kind of kind of open along the creek once you got thirty forty yards off the creek where the floodplain didn't clear it out every you know, every time it got up it was much much sticker, and it was it was traveling the edge of that so the tracks is pretty easy most of the time in that bottom land. It was leaving tracks about three and a half to four inches deep, where me and Dad was only leaving about an eighth of

18:45 the niche just barely making marks, you know, considerably big. Um. That's I mean, we shouldn't we shouldn't be going after that's a big track. If well, we got to do something, I said, bullcrat, I said, burning can't even kill a deer, because I said, they've probably him around like crazy. And that's you well, you know, it is what it is. It's just how you live with them. You just don't do nothing, and they don't do nothing. Yeah, well we're doing something because he done something. We ended up track ended up there and we could hear multiple animals on this flat just below the where this mind was at. I said, I don't know that that's that's kind of crazy, he said, And just he said, don't take your gun if you're gonna walk up there. He says, to make sure you let them know you're coming.

19:33 So we're we haven't crossed the creek yet, and a whistle goes out, so we've already been made. I just said, hey, that's my dear, and I heard it sounded like a herd of elephants standing up and running up up to the deal. But we could see a few of them going through the cedars and and you know the oat and stuff. Um, but there were several that didn't. Uh, so we we you know, I want head and took a couple of steps, and when I did, it stopped over the side. And I mean when it roared, it literally moved the hair on my head and face. It was loud. I said, hey, that's my dear, and it looked at me again and roared and looked at Dad and seeing the gun, and then it really roared.

20:17 I mean just saying he almost It was almost so much it made you nautiously because of the vibration on the inside of you, if that makes sense to you. It almost turned our stomachs. It was that loud. Of course I'm shaking. I said, if that's ain't makes the move, just shut it in the head Dad, And of course, Dad, I don't know whether he hurt me or not. I took two steps up and tore. I could see up on the flat and I pointed to the deer and it looked at the deer, looked at me, snarled. I looked back at the deer, that's my deer, and I reached to go and grab another limb. Takes a step up and it well, Dad shot and missed it about an inch and a half. Well. He looked at my dad and tapped its head like, damn, that was close, you know, I mean, the thing had fear in its eyes. I said, in mine, I said, mine, that's mine. I got to eat too, you know. And it looked at me like it understood what I was wanting.

21:12 And all I got was a leg. It stepped over are within about two steps. It was probably twelve thirteen yards from him but two steps or so then to over tore the back leg off and slung it right into my chest and set me right back into the creek. That said, take your leg, get your gun, let's go. And we were escorted out from the ridge line. They were they were making a point to show that to be seen upon that ridge line, and they followed us up to the high line that goes down Offender that we took in and out and at that point they stopped and when we went up the hill, they turned around and went back down. And after that we it was it wasn't so much being harassed as it was every time we come to the woods, they were always there.

22:00 I mean it was you just couldn't get away from it. I don't care where you went, they knew you was there. It was crazy. I mean it was that's it. As long as they're not hurt. Yeah, not the tack. He said, just keep doing your deal's it. They're just checking you out. And so that's what we did. And that's it's. Uh, well, I had one. That's you know. It was the next year, that following February, after they took the deer, I was fishing the sloo pond back there, catching channel cat on steak bait. And it was cold, cold, cold, and I don't know, I had probably twenty five thirty cat fish. You know, nobody going to regulate it, you know, a young man or how many fish you had.

22:44 And I was just about getting ready to go, and I mean I had another little little bite there, and I picked up the rod. When I picked up the rod, a hand reached out of the brush because the brush was just cleared by beavers. You know, it wasn't much, you know, a couple of foot wide tops before you stepped into you know, eight to twenty foot tall saplings that were so fit that cotton tails couldn't get in it. I never heard nothing, I never saw nothing, I never smelt nothing until the hand touched me on the shoulder and rolled me back and he just picked kicked my stringer up with two fingers. Mind you smiled real big and walked off. Oh crap, that such, that's a lot of work. I'm mad a heck of a stringer catfish. So I just, well, I don't know nothing else to do. Let's start catching fish.

23:30 That told me to bring fish home. You know, I still had plenty of time I started catching more fish. I don't know. Kenner led more catfish and I went to the house carrying them on sticks. I strung him up. That's what I had to use. As I come around the bend in this access road that come off from the old Ward Trooper plant, there's my stringer hanging up in the tree. So I strung up a fish and went on back my rat killing to the house. I told that dad, so don't tell mom. He said he might probably shouldn't go catfishing for a while down there. He said they might be kind of tough for him right now. She said, might just soon take you instead of the catfish.

24:11 I said, well, he smiled when he took him, and he was real polite. That said, what do you mean he was PLI said, he only used two fingers and held his pink yet like he was drinking a cup from an englishman. He said, you're a kidding. I said, nope, I said. He turned around and walked off. I said, And it wasn't the big guy, he says, oh, I said, so what was it a female? And no, it was a male. Dad, I know for sure, because it was standing right over the top of me pretty much he said, oh, well, he smiled. That just said he smiled. I said, there's a stringer. He gave me a stringer back by the time I thought my fish and made it around. You know, I told him the story and he was just like, Yeah, from this point on, just started leaving half of everything you take from the wood. So if you shoot thirty squirrels, fifteen over goes with them.

24:52 And so that's what we started doing, or I started doing. And at this point in time, you know, Dad was he always told me was drugging the creek, but I think he was taking the hog pellets down there and feeding the thing squatches. I really do it. Sounds like you got a really good look at the face of the sasquatch at multiple times. Can you describe. Yeah, A lot of you guys get it A lot of you guys get it so wrong. I've never seen anything that looked even remotely close to a gorilla. Uh. It's a It's a pricking neanderthal, is what it is. That's what it is. It's a Neanderthal. I don't care if the bones tell you different. It's a it's a big, giant neanderthal. It looks just like a Neanderthal. It's a man. I mean, there's no, there's no it's got a big baldes snows. Some of them are flats. I mean, uh, it's it's a it's a it's a Neanderthal, that's what it is. Just big, just big.

25:53 You know. I gotta hand it to your father. He it sounds like in all these a house. He is reacting with just a calmness to him. But also you can tell that he has had some interactions over the year, like he knows about them a lot. He was not surprised too much. Yeah, I figured probably since the fifties or sixties, because he had made mention that when he was a little kid, he shot a bear in the tabletops, which is western Elmore City, in a little north and he said it was a honey bear, he said, but the honey bear was eleven foot long. I was like, yeah, well, what was your drinking, dad? He said, I wasn't drinking, and I don't think it was a bear. He said, it called off in the brush and I turned around. Now left, So he said he went back and looked and see if but that he could never get off in that brushpole. You know, he said when he crawled off in the bush pole get raised it up. So that says Pruss, paheman is probably something pushed by a bulldozer or something. Knowing my dad a big you know, a pile of trees.

27:08 Wow. And this is in Pittsburgh County. Uh No, this that would I'm not real sure what county that is. That's in the tabletops where that where he had that happened. What we what I've been discussing right now has been in the Pittsburgh The only places I've had any any sidings in Oklahoma has been Pittsburgh. A couple down in in Macintosh County, which is above it on the river. Uh that we was coming out of the woods and they crossed out in the field. There was two of them, a big one and a little one, I would say, mom, and a young one. You know. Uh didn't get a great look at him, just you could just tell it was what it was. You know. It's I mean down there, that's those things are fairly common. I mean, no, most folks ain't gonna talk about them, but yeah, a lot of folks see them down there a lot way more than it's coming out. Every time that you've seen them has it come to your mind that, hey, this looks like a Neanderthal, or have there been times where every time, every every time, okay, every time, every time they look like anander Thalt, big big Christy forehead. You know, it's big, it's very masculine, very thick. The jaws are thick, very square, teeth are squared. Never seen kaneines, you know. I mean, they got Kane out of them, but they look just like ours. They're not much there.

28:30 I mean, it's not like I don't know where these folks is getting the three inch things and stuff that maybe a different thing. I don't know, but I mean, Jimmy christ Is, when you sit down and eat deer jerky with them, I think I know what they look like. I mean, so yeah, let's let's talk about that then. Um, so you have actually sat down with some individuals. I was, I was homeless several years back here in a Garvin County. Uh, one of my dad's friends. I just kind of I didn't really ask, I just kind of popped the tent and made my made my place there. You know, A hunted on it, fished on it. I know that'd be okay, as long as that's the only place I had to go, and it, yeah, I did. That was the only place I had to go at the time. So I don't know. I've been there a month or two.

29:29 Nope, nothing, I ain't seen nothing, ain't hurt nothing. I never felt nothing. Um you know, I never smelt nothing, never seen tracks. All of a sudden, one night there was a whoop down on the bottom. I whoop back like a dummy, and it came up there. And from then on, Uh, it was up there almost every night, and it sat and it watched. That's all it done. It just sat on its haunches and it watched. So I don't know, several several weeks went by. I hadn't had no nothing out of it, you know, it hadn't had really seen it in a week or so in the daylight through it that way. In the daylight, you hear it walking around outside down the grass and stuff, but you couldn't see it with no light. Well, I decided I was going to go down to the pond, which is about one hundred one hundred and twenty yards straight in front of me, heading back towards the Paul's Valley, matter of fact, towards the river. Falling down are fishing, and it's it had a few smaller fishing. It need to be called out a little bit, you know. It hadn't been harvested enough, you know, out of it over the years. So I was throwing the fish over the bank. And when this bank is sold sixty five foot to the bottom of the ravine down there. But it's nice grade, you know, it's it was built. So I'm just awesome over my back, not thinking much of it. And I hear something down there while there's a deer or something in behind me, and said it said one more.

30:52 And when it said one more, I just set ma rod down and looked over, you know, climbed up the bank there and looked over, and it was sitting there, the same thing that had been sitting there and watching me every night. I said one more, and give me one finger. I thought, what the hell? So I dropped back over the dial and said, okay, you know, I was kind of stooking up. As long as you're eating the fish and not me, we're cool, you know. So I pitched another great big perch over. This time he hopped up around top of the bank and was sitting there and he waited for the fish. This time. I was like Jimmy Christmas said you. I just kind of looked at him, and he didn't look mad or nothing. He just was wiggling his toes, waiting on the next fish. I mean, that's the He looked like he was anticipating a meal, I mean, for free, like I had nothing, no problems with him or nothing, you know, like he knew me from day one. I mean that's the way he was treating me. So I kept catching fish, and when I throwed the big croppie in the basket, he kind of grunted at me. I said, oh, I got to eat too, And he walked down there looking the basket and picked him up and looked at me, and he set the basketback down. He kind of walking a little closer in behind him and sat down. I kept a fishing, kept fishing. Finally caught a nice croppy.

32:07 I tossed up her to him this time, and he eat it up, got up, didn't say nothing, didn't make a noise, and just walked off into the to the woods, plumbed down to the river where I couldn't hear him no more. And I didn't see him for three or four days. So the next encounter was probably I see I went to church that Sunday, so I guess it was Tuesday night. The wife, my now wife, she come out and brought me dinner and everything, and she's gonna stay tonight. So she stayed tonight. She got up to pee, she screamed, I mean, that's all there was to it. She'd never seen one, so I stuck my head out the window the deal and said, let's oh, hey, good guy, and he turned and just walked off.

32:57 She come back into the tent that she was pretty shaken, says, I think I'm just gonna leave. It was okay. She says, you're going to go now. He don't bother me none. I said, me and him have been hanging out, and said he's all right. I said there, I'll let you know if you know, if he gets worse or anything like that, or he gets to being a turd, and uh, he said, okay, I think I'm gonna leave. I can't be around those hit things. Was hideous. I said, yeah, they're pretty ugly. I said, if you're not used to it, you know, they're pretty scary. So she laughed, and I didn't see him that night. Uh. Anyways, Uh, I was cooking beer leg uh you know, pieces of it on the on the grill, and it come up, and when it come up, it looked up and saw the meat and it just kind of pointed up to meat. I just kind of waved it done over.

33:47 The wood stopped, turned around and whist made a little cookie noise and kind of m I don't know what you would call it, a little gargle type of sounding. And I heard two other things sat down in the world. So I handed him all the meat that was on the deal there, and he kept looking over at the rest of the deer. Just take what you want, you know. He pulled the whole deer right off into the woods, all the thing that ain't cool. So it didn't even leave me any meat because I didn't give him what was already on the grill. So Billy coming back and he brought some of my deer back. Okay, the front two legs is all I got off that deer. Well, I killed off there, and you know, I got my belly full anyways, and made jerky out of the rest of That's what I stayed up doing the rest of the night. Next morning, he was sitting up there at camp waiting on me. Get up, and you're looking at it, looking at the jerky, Oh crap, that's my breakfast. And he looked over at me.

34:46 He just kind of kind of up on his toes and down like, Hi, how you doing. Didn't say nothing, didn't grunt, didn't do nothing, didn't know hand gesture, just didn't look right back at the meat. And I walked over and I got me a piece of hand at the hid. He just plopped down, just grabbed a couple more pieces off there, and then whistled. And when he whistled, there was four more come out of the woods. They were one female and two smaller ones. One was probably the smaller of the two, was probably about four and a half foot, another one is about six. The mono was the right out of about eight, and he was setting in about nine and a half ten foot massive and five and a half foot of the shoulders, probably a good three and three and a half almost four the hips, big big, big, big boy, big boy, and he's the big guy. He didn't like me, he just he said and just was showing teeth the whole time.

35:42 I'd look over and he turned his head and like that, you know, not aggressive, but I would say that he wasn't very interested in being there, but somebody else was up there getting food for him, so he came up there. This went on. They pestered me every after that. I mean it was they had come up whistle tap on the tenth. If I wouldn't get out of the tent, the big guy would unzip the tent, hold the door open, and the guy that I was feeding, Uh, he would jerk me out by my ankle, not hard, just grabbing him. Pull me out and clap do something. You know, he wanted to he wanted to hang out. Uh you know, of course I let him go through everything. You know, they didn't final food, lost interest in me, and they'd shove off. This went on almost nightly to every other couple of four nights or so. They'd be a day or two, they'd they wouldn't be there and I'd get some sleep. He got to the point where I was sleeping in the daytime and up with them their jerks of a night. It was crazy. They will that wasn't all of them. That's the thing that wasn't all of them. There was nine total, one nil very large. Uh, probably leave and foot very long haired, uh silver, silver'sh white, no hand one on one side on his left side.

37:04 A matter of fact, it was gone about mid four. No hand lost the scars. So I figured he was the top alpha before. That's kind of what I thought. So that means there's other ones around there. Well, anyways, they got to where they was to learn how to open my truck up. That was interesting. I come into camp from going and taking a shower up the road at the local city lake and uh, I come back and everything and my truck was tore out clothes, food, what they didn't like, they just stomped it. I saw Zee, who was then the one of the females, come in there, and she tried to tell them who it was, but she was pointing to tracks, and you know, and I didn't pay much attention to the tracks. I was seeing them every day, you know, kind of lose interesting tracks when you got the things, Mary, you know, I want to go back to something you said. So you said there was a time where your tent was unzipped and it dragged you out of the tent. Yeah, no, it was zipped.

38:16 The biggest mail he unzipped. It held the door it was to held the flat open, and the one that was friendly to him. He reached in there every time by the ankle very gently and would just pull, you know, just like he was to poor your kid across the floor right on out. Of course, you know, it got to be kind of comical for a while, and then it got to be kind of annoying when you know, you know, you just didn't want to get up, you tell a no, and he would be a little more forceful. And then he got to where he was rolling me out across the deal some nights, you know, because I didn't well, I was having to wasn't feeling good. So this went on the watch see him, I don't know, numerous times in and out, daytime, night time. I mean, it didn't matter, uh than the guy that owns it, he swears it down there's nothing in there, but yet he won't come in mow anymore. Over there, I do all the mowing, okay, so, uh yeah it is.

39:12 And this happened, uh when uh after I had moved out. I'm thinking that he drove in and thought it was they thought it was me, and they stepped out in the road. That's kind of what I'm thinking, because I mean that's how it got to be. When I pulled in Trump, I mean, they was already coming out to meet me. I mean it was crazy. Wow, But you got to see this place is thick. I mean it's stick, you know, and it's there's houses all around me except for along the river. I mean, it's crazy. He didn't. I mean they bought right up in town. I mean they come up parts the lake occasionally, and you know, and and miss around the lake coast. He's got storis so which is pretty common. I mean this this is the same area that they found the Valley giant skeletons. A matter of fact, I'm about three quarters of them all from the exact location where they found them, and I'm not familiar with with that, but I could probably guess a very large skeleton that was found. I'm guessing numerous very large skeleton, six toes, six fingers. These these only have five, though, the creatures that you deadly had five. Yeah, they only have five. They only have five. Okay, Yeah, very interesting. Did you ever try to take those a picture of them or did you have well, every time

40:45 you pull your phone out, it kind of stirs up problems there would be some squawking amongst the males, and they would try to take the phone away from you and destroy it. And I got I got banged up pretty good, you know, trying to get my phone, keeping from getting it because it was raining. Uh So they're they're highly intelligent, highly intelligent. Uh well, at this point in time, they had made no no communications other than hand gestures pointing stuff like that. Uh I get my TV. Wow. When I started having the seizures in front of them, they were much They started I'm talking to me and pampering me and stuff and bringing me food, and they knew I was sick, you know. So uh yeah, they know English. It's not it's not like me and you talk it.

41:42 It's pretty pretty uh plane lane, very uh simple. You know me this, me that, you this. You know they understand that. And I think they understand more. They just don't say it. But they have their own language. I know that. I know they speak Cherokee, uh because I've heard them do it downer in Pittsburgh County. Uh. You know that we had school and they taught Cherokee in our school, uh for several years there. And so I kicked up on the chairke and I heard them talking in the woods. Uh so, but the places this place I'm talking about, I got to see a lot of cool stuff. They hunted rattlesnakes. The places eat up with timber rattlers. That was a main staple that I could sit in camp and have a rattlesnake every day or two or three.

42:28 And at the neighbor's mode, which was directly in behind the yards away, there was a big wall of the brush and stuff and green briars and and um multi floral rosebush that kind of blocked their views. But when they mowed, the snakes got of crawling out of the brush. So and I get them when they got to the mode park and whack them in the heads, get them out. That was lunch, you know, pretty easy for yourself. Well yeah, for myself for myself. Yeah, because a lot of times it was super hot, and they would they would they would kind of got real real hot. You wouldn't see them. He just they wouldn't be up barren topic on the sun. I don't know where they went. I said, I wasn't getting around good in the woods to falling around and stuff.

43:09 Not much. Anyway, we walked down the pond stuffing. I can't walk up down the creek easy, the easy walking stuff. You know, you have anything kind of news to you? I have a question. This might be a totally left left turner or something like that, but um, you know you you said you're in it. You're about in your early forties. Um, were you involved or had any interactions with people that were involved with the siege that happened about twenty years ago? No comment? Okay, I respect that, all right, that we signed stuff. So I'll comment.

44:02 We hunted them, Okay, I hunted them for a long time. This is I hunted them before. This is where we're talking about right now. Our shot dozens of them. So okay, so you have you have hunted sasquatch, and actually I guess it's close because uh well, uh, let's put it this way. It's just as good as they are in the woods. I can be just as good, if not better. Sure, and you've dispatched of multiple is what you're saying. Yes. Uh for a while there it was it was well known that's what I've done. Uh, you know, and people would call me all the blue they have problems.

44:44 Uh you know, you know what you've heard the stories raiding the house, is tearing it up, you know, causing problems with the family. Yeah, so we shot those things. Uh. There was an Indian, a Kree Indian who used to live down the road for me that we traded quite a bit. You know. He was an older man. He drank a lot. But uh, he showed me, he says, he says, I noticed and things like to follow you and your dad around down there. And of course I didn't know he even knew that, you know, they was following us. I said, what things? He said, you know what I'm talking about, And he says, let me show you how to call them things up. And he showed me how to do it. But he also made a a concoction of animal parts and you had burned it on the fire until it was a good add water to it, and then you'd let it steam off of there and let it bull down to pretty much nothing.

45:42 And when they started smoking in the bottom of the pan. Uh, it wouldn't be very long. If if the wind was right, face smelt it. They were they were going to come. And it was always brought an aggressive always abroad, an aggressive squatch every time they come to fight. When he when't they smelled that? Can you go over what was in? Or? God? Really, I don't. None of you guys need to know that. Uh you're gonna get yourselves hurt. Uh you need you know you're gonna get yourself hurt and you're gonna get killed. I've been slammed across over two and a half three miles through the woods by a female. Uh.

46:23 She had me by my overall straps and was slinging me in through the brush and stuff. I think she was trying to hijack this's what she was trying to do, but we were trying to kill her when it took us three years to get her and two other shots that was causing the problems three years. Yeah, that that this particular one that wore me and Tom out. Uh. Yeah, we could come on the property. She wouldn't even see and would come on the property within ten minutes being out of the truck, and this thing was already flipping out, didn't matter whether it's dark or daylight. She had a great, big tall mountain that they're on the top right off, I mean right there at the house. I mean that's where it was watching us from. They knew when we come in, come out, and everything else. They're like ninjas, right. There have been They are multiple people that have said, I'm thinking of people that are involved with Area X. They've had the creature in their sights and they have not been able to pull the trigger because of how it looks. Is that anything that you struggled with or how are you a man? Look? No, no, dude, when it's when it's got a limb, a limb eleven foot long, eight inches across the base of it and going to smash your head and no problem, I'll pulled the trigger every time. Ain't got no problem.

47:46 But you're aggressive, I'll kill you fair enough. I mean there goes for any man or anything like that. I mean my life sepear, Yeah, your toes, Yeah, if I can get it, okay, all right? Um? But yeah they they Yeah, that was that was a bad group. After we got those three shot outs, Uh it was, it calmed down. She still has squatches over there, but they sure don't miss with her, uh nor no other than the other neighbors. Has there ever been a time, oh sorry, go ahead. Has there ever been a time when you were hunting them during that time where it got really close to being game over for you. Um No, because I usually took the upper hand nine castend the time enough. UM, I use reverse tactics.

48:42 They like to have the high ground. Let them have the high ground, but don't let them get it to it. Don't don't let yourself be open to the high ground. In other words, uh make it, make make yourself hard to get to in that low ground. Uh. Use areas that are small types fit into that's good good place. Don't even try climbing trees. They can climb it faster than you can even think about. I mean, and literally swing from it, jump from tree to tree. Uh. There, I'll see the squats. I was tracking him. Uh he noticed me, you know, he turned around. I was checking us back to he saw me. Uh, took about four or five keen steps, big jump steps, and hopped up on trees and started and so I couldn't follow his tracks anymore. Uh. He went on through their three hundred yards before he ever stopped doing that. Of course I could see him and hear him, so he didn't really make much difference. He didn't see he couldn't see me. He just knew I was behind him. Wow, they're very shy.

49:38 They don't want to They don't want no problems out of us. Ninety nine percent of the time. Uh. The where you're where you're coming in and they're growling at you. That growl is uh to get you to get gone. Uh. They like to intimidate. Uh. They liked the bluff. But once once the footstoping's done, uh, and there's no more whistling going on, and it's going to whoops. Uh you you you were after welcome? Uh, it's time to get out. Uh. Now not every clans like that. The clans. I could take the clans over here, I guarantee you. By the time we walk in and twentyments is setting up, they're already going to be surrounding us and jack and with us. Uh.

50:20 And they're not nice. We don't go in there very often. So after you would dispatch of one, what would happen to the body, Oh, they snag it up every time? Who would every time they would squat us, so they would rush So you okay, so you would take one out and they would if you if you shot one, Yeah, I guarantee you there was there was two or three right there near it, and uh, they would draw your attention off to one side or the other. Uh phone rocks or something like that, and they would pick it up, and you know, I mean sometimes you get another shot, two shots, you know, and get two or three. But they always they always had somebody come pick them up. The one time that we didn't and uh this was this was well, this was when just shortly before they come in and shot a lot of them. Uh. So we turned it in and man, it was four and a half weeks, uh in contentury more or less.

51:20 Uh on a government base. I don't know where I was that they drop him off the house. So you got taken to a government base for dispatching. Yeah, we turned it, We turned it into We turned it into the park within I guarantee it was in two and a half hours. I was already in a van and was was sedated. Really snack snagged me up right up out of my own yard. Didn't even they pulled. They pulled the country on me, is what they've done. I wasn't plan attention to had the guard lets down. Took a country down. Yeah, wow, oh man, And so you came to and all I heard was about about five yards before he got to me. Because they come around the back side of the uh the shed there. I heard the grass move and I whirled around and I was hit town. I mean that was they hit me with a bean bag charge right in the side the head. Why do you think, why do you think they wanted you in that in that government base?

52:20 Oh, because they wanted they wanted me to help. But I didn't want to kill them out. I just I told him, I said, we we only hunt problems quatches. I said, you go on these mountains and I said, most most of you guys are are just You're gonna be just in the wind. They're just gonna disappearing them to step off in the caves, and that's gonna be the end of it. You're not gonna find them. Well, they found them. They saw a lot off the park. Uh. Then the following within six eight months of them being done and cleared out, Uh, they cut the cedars. And when they cut the cedars, what what few will remain they moved. H And now I'm I'm still I know where that group's at. I just can't get to them because it's on land and they won't let me in there. So you're saying there was it's chopped Oh, boy. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Now you understand why. Kind of kind of spooky bad things.

53:20 But anyways, so it's it's a Choctaw land and it's land locked, right. Uh no, it's Chickasaw Land. I'm sorry, I forgot where. I think it's Chickasaw. Chickasauce. They chalkedall on down down south and the Geek Creek area. But uh no, they're they're they're Murray Garvin County. Uh yeah, that's what these are here. Uh So, yeah, so they got a bunch of lands, you know, just pockets out and this is I'll tell you right where it's that. They got a big old recreation center just on the other side of the lake and it's right there. They moved off into then valleys into their and you can still they still come to the lake hunt at night. They just don't live there anymore. They just want to verify one more. So you're saying that there is a big group from the base that actually went out and multiple sasquatch in a time period, dozens dozens that at one time me and Charles Hallmark had documented at least forty different individuals that lived on the park alone on the Tabortine Guy Sandy side of what park is on Chicksaw National Recreation, Ok. Tabortine. You know, you go into the town there once I roast Taverntine or Platte National I think

54:52 that's what they call it now. They renamed it about three times here lately. So, but yeah, the Chicksaw National Recreation Area, that's and you're not going to see when you get on the recreation or you're not going to see a whole lot of squatch activity. It's just not there anymore. Jim Whitehead, I believe he had went up and down Sandy a few times and they got you know, tracks and whatnot. But you just don't see that anymore. When the lake is low. My best option if you want to go find tracks would be the Catfish Bottoms area. But the lake needs to be low because it's through rocky. When the lake gets low, at least a silk they'll travel the silk, clicking the duckweed stuff along the creek. Blank Wow, salt grass where realse thin fine. I've talked to Jim before.

55:37 He's a great guy. He's got some incredible information from the western part of the state. Nope, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet. Just just no, just know where he's been through, mainly through Charles, you know, and watching on Facebook whatnot? You know here and there. Do you know of any Have you heard of any interactions that have happened from Low Flora County itself? Uh? Yeah, a couple. Uh they're not much, just you know, to come into camp, leave camp. Uh you know, nothing dangerous or anything like that. Just just sightings, that's all it is. That's usually all you see over there. Uh. There's a couple of families there, but I know they won't live, will not want to be on that, so I'm not going to mention it. But yeah, there's a couple of families in there. Uh, the Indian families.

56:28 They don't quite a bit of ground back in there. And I think the last fifteen years they quit leasing it out to all of your hunters too. So that's a big deal not to do that because that's a lot of money that gets brought in. Well, I think the tribes supplementing them. So oh sure, then that's out of my knowledge. Yeah yeah, well that's just just coming down the grape vines from them. You know, I got you so it's it's been deemed to protected area. Why Indians don't want to destroy them? You know, why why do they not want to destroy them? You think it's part of their history and culture, my friend, Yeah, definitely, It's one of the few things that they can still grasp onto. Why do you think everything else has been watched out for him?

57:16 Why do you think Oklahoma has so many accounts of aggressive Sasquatch? It just seems like it is the epicenter of all that is aggressive in the Bigfoot world. Well, you have to look at the biodiversity and we shoot twenty years ago. Man, places that I used to hunt and fish are now houses. It's it's the grounds getting smaller and smaller, so you're having more interactions. When you have interactions, you shoot one of the males that don't kill it. But guess what that male's gonna tell every one of the clan members do not hang around people just here, just walk away. And that's how they survived. I mean, you know, if you can remember back in your history days growing up in high school or you know, they talked about the evolution and all this and and uh, you know when cro magnets stepped onto the scene. You know, they kind of they they theorized that it pushed chro magnet. Uh you know, uh, the Neanderthals back into the higher cultivations, uh, into the more remote areas. Uh. So you know, it's pretty self explanatory. You do that for you know, twenty thousand and thirty thousand years. Uh, you know, but uh, you know a lot of a lot of the near tribes say they didn't become aggressive for the most part. I mean, you know, there was some Like

58:46 everybody, there's different tribes and different clans and and uh and now I'm learning that there's different squatches. Uh. You know, I only thought there was two different kinds, the nice kind and the bad kind. The bad time was always red in color. I mean every bad, every every terrible interaction I've ever had a dangerous squatch red, every last stinking one of them. Yes, the black ones I've had. I've had some close encounters, but they always letting the walk away. They never pursued it. Once I turned and turned my back to them, they let it be. Did you ever hear of any that were four toad All right, Well, we shot a three toad one. They had three toes and three fingers on. That's that's that's the only different one that I ever seen. But it was also red and gray. Uh. Its eyes were much bigger. Uh. It didn't have coloration in the eyes. It was almost a solid black, very little white around the eyes. Um. They did not have the like the mustache like that, like the the my squatches. Goot, I call them wood apes. I don't call them squashes. They're wood apes. So that's very interesting. They act, they act like a damn ape. They are an eight, but yet they're not. I mean, for one minute, they could be an ape. In the next minute, they could be a man.

1:00:12 I mean, you know what I'm saying. In the way they they they act, if that makes sense. Not in the way they look, but the way they act. That's really because earlier you were like, it looks like in the end they're tall. But you're saying there's some very intense ape behavior that is also happening as well. Yes, very very intense. Uh. It's it's almost textbook chimp slash guerrilla. Uh. Like a lot like a lot of times when the chimpan sees uh, they get excited, you know, they do that real They and the squatches do that too. But it doesn't mean that they're always going on a hunt. Just means that they're excited or uh, that's that's kind of a old man. That's not good. It's you know, kind of an alert, I need to get out of here type of thing, you know, and it's letting the other uh squatches around. No. But but the way they set up here in the arbuckles is not like how they set up back home. Back home, they set up sentinels. Uh, and you didn't get with If the sentinels were out and you got within the sentinels, the sentinels pushed you back.

1:01:16 You just you know, they would they would they would make it known that you wasn't supposed to be there. They would either escort you out or they throw stuff at you, you know, and to get you turn around, make noises, uh, you know, different stuff like that. Uh, these here they don't do that. I once it his daylight do they get back off in the mountains and they're they're not going to be out and about. They're not going to set up on top of the cliffs and stuff to be looking at. It's just too bald and open. And I think that's the main reason they don't. But the Arbuckles have a monster cave system underneath the massive massive Do you think they utilize that? Oh, definitely, definitely did back home. I don't know why they don't here. I mean I've not I've not run across the I haven't run across the I know where the caves at. I just can't get to it. We'll put it that way.

1:02:10 They just don't let you get nowhere near it. I mean, it's just they just won't. How did they stop they're listening to it? Oh, they come out to see it. They make it known. This particular place. Yeah, this place is the same place that the owner won't come within a mile and a half of this particular mountain he owns probably hmm. I think he said seven and a half square miles in there. So he's got a pretty good junk of land, and so the mountains that mountain is. I can hunt the bottom of it, but I ever get close to the to the base of it. I get escorted out every time. And if you have a long rifle with it, yeah, you're going that's asking for trouble with these guys. They're gonna they pick up bigger rocks instead of throwing stuff to side, you know, hickory nut size, and they pick up stuff to size baseballs up the basketballs and jump at you. And when you have a rifle, they absolutely don't like them. And I tell everybody when we go in there, don't carry it along a long weapon. You know, put on your side four puty four forty four magnum you know, Uh, don't you put a haul of paint thing because they ain't gonna penetrate.

1:03:25 Uh. You know, Well, when you've been out there with the big big Foot the squatches, have you ever heard anything that did not make sense? Why am I hearing this in this situation right now? Any speech? I don't or just any and I've never well let me let me get into this. I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen orbs around them. Uh never never. Now, I have seen orbs like you follow. One night we was catfishing and it was, oh, I don't it was. It was big, It was kind of orange color, and it shot across the sky and it turned real like it wasn't a plane. You know, it was huge, but it did nothing ever occurred. But when it flew across the water, it moved the water. That's what we couldn't get because it pushed the water, you know, it put us a ripple across the water out in front of it and then behind it, and it was one hundred foot in the air. Better and then I've seen I've seen little orbs dancing around, uh down like in the swampy areas, you know.

1:04:31 Uh, but in swamp gas. I've seen swamp gas light up at night, and that's pretty neat. Uh, it's kind of creepy. Uh, It's like, WHOA, what's going on? But that's all it is. I wanted to get towards it and smell it, you know what it is. But yeah, I've never I've never seen the orbs and stuff. I mean, they don't disappear like everybody says. There. I'm telling you, they're ninjas. They're ninjas. They're they're not spirits. Trust me. If it bleeds, it dies, spirits don't leed, skirts don't back. I got it. Have you ever heard now there might be other stuff out there in the woods? Go ahead? Have you ever heard of baby's cry when you've been out? Yes, I have had the baby sit this place here, uh, the place that we've been talking about up here where I'm at now, north of me. I've been asked or not asked. And she just tossed it up there in the tent and looked at me and shook his finger up it, which I kind of figured up me and not to get out, you know. And it looked at me and it shook a finger and kind of you know, not let it out, you know, And they went. They ended up coming back with a couple of hogs. He didn't take them along, maybe forty five minutes because they were sitting in camp.

1:05:44 They heard the hogs scream done on the river. One of them and four or five of them started discussing something amongst themselves, and she got up, brought the kid over there and dropped it in the tent. And you can smell my tenth right now. It still smells like it. I can't wash it and get the smell out for some reason. H so so, but it's that they're a baby. Yes, when I say baby, I mean like free foot tall, able to walk, able to hop, but you know it's still pretty weak acute button. I mean, uh, their fingernails are white when they're small, their fingertips are you know, their their palm is Caucasian looking, you know, their hairs or their skins Caucasian, and it darkens up as they get older, it gets a more melanistic color to it. What does their teeth look like? Just flatten flatten white.

1:06:35 Uh. They actually choose several different routes to clean them, believe it or not. Just like they're just like ours, but much much wider and much broader, much more robust built. Have you ever been to a place called Purgatory? Nop Okay, don't don't know where that's at. Okay, now, Purgatory like like Way West. I think we. I think we drove through it one time. But as far as getting out and stopping, nah, I've just I've just heard of it in different interviews mentioned and I know it's related to Coon Bow Baker, but I don't know much about it. So I was just curious about it. No, I hadn't heard about that place, Like I said, Booger Bottoms, Peacock Hollar, and that's going to be a local name. And then Sickamore Hollow on the river down here, that's that's a that's a's got a lot of zinc minds up there on that face cliff and lots of reports used to be lots of reports from that area, but the people have since moved away and there's it's all all the houses up and there are abandoned now and there's like four homes. Do you think the squad you're still there? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure they are. Well. Usually when they pick a spot, they don't go nowhere. I don't know where everybody gets these migration deals and maybe the ones that wants to do and they're there now, they may be bounce around four or five, eight, ten miles, you know, to where the food's good. But usually if if it's like this year, they their part theym

1:08:11 moving. Uh, there's enough stuff to eat. One time I ever seen him disappear is when it gets like last year. Uh, they disappeared on me and it just now showed back up and last four and a half months or so, you couldn't tell you where they went either. What's how long has it been since you you've seen a big foot? Um? See when it was Turkey season April April? Yeah, yeah, it's it's stepped out in the pipeline. Uh. And when when it saw the him decoy up there, it looked, you know, and look and saw me and turned and went right back in. Uh and this is I this is one of the places that they know me there. So it wasn't a freak at he was just looking for a meal. But I've kind of, oh, well, I had to shoot at one of the males over here, and so they've kind of they kind of stopped coming straight up to me and hanging out like they used to box now kind of dangerous. I wouldn't hurt him to say so, I just shot over said so you leave me alone. That's the only reason I've done it. And they've ran moused you for about a month. And he started popping back in, you know, and I tossed this over the deal only dish. But it wasn't like it was I mean, but yeah, as far as getting in there and seeing them on the river there, it's not too big a problem. You know. The neighbors all know about him over there, most of them, most of them won't

1:09:41 even go on the river. You know. I'm so thankful for your time. It's been over an hour. This has been amazing. Well and with this, like what are the questions that people like me are not asking that we should be asking about these um, well, manly, why do you all want to get so close to them? That's what I want to know. Uh. I understand the uh infatuation with them, but they're a highly dangerous animal. Uh if you're if you're not well aware of their body language. Uh and the postures. Uh. You guys have got all the calls, well almost all wrong. Uh. And for what they stand for?

1:10:25 Um the ohio, how is a location called between a marriage? What what what we would call me and you a married couple? Or you know that's from his from him to her? That's what that is. And that's uh every night before darkness. She should give that off because the males do not stay with um the clan. Most of the time, they're around very close, but the usually don't stay with them because they're kind of dangerous. They're pricks. But what you get a family clan, uh, you know where it's several of them and they all work together. It's a totally different atmosphere. Uh. There'll be one or two that make all the decisions and everybody else they'll they might not like it, but they'll go along with it.

1:11:11 If you have a problem with one of them, of the clan and you ever get alone with him, uh, he's probably gonna kill you. That's just that's just the way they are. They're very act like a little sport rocking kids what they act like. If they don't get the way, they get mad, and it could be days, two days, three days, four days, five days before they get unmad. And sometimes they just don't ever get mad at you. They just they don't like it. And that's where you see all this stuff going on. But a lot of us trying to communicate to you, uh you know, because they just soon work with you then against you for sure. But you know, if they can't trust you, they won't have nothing to do with you. They're they're they're very weird like that, very selective who they who they hang out with. I mean, I took a man in a couple out of Florida over to this place that the Dangerous Squatches, and within three hours after dark, they were already gone. And I was talking about the Squatches, I'm talking about the other two people. They literally left in a full They all still got their gear. They won't even talk to me on Facebook or nothing. Now.

1:12:29 I tried to send them there. Uh well, she got hit with a stick across the back. It was about three inches in diameter, knocked her on the ground. Uh. And I told him, you know, once you get dark, put your helmets on. And he didn't put a helmet on, didn't even bring one, and they, I mean, they just rained down on us, which is that's just where they are. I'll sit there in it, you know, just just pad up and just just sit there and let them let them take it, you know, because they'll they'll eventually get of it. And that's when they'll come into camps and start, Uh you know, why aren't you leaving? You know, they get a little more bold, but they won't just fair up and smack you in the head for no apparent reason. Uh. You know, he's not going to kill you because you come into his territory. You know, he's just not He's gonna try to push you out, and you just throw eighteen twelve, thirteen, fourteen times that you're just not gonna push that. He'll try to make friends with you if you're not taking from his belly. Wow, that's fascinating. When you go to when you go to take it from their food, that's when they get mad at you country. The thing that's just weird is that other people have said that that whole leave half of what you what you get, that's that's the thing that comes that comes from back in the old days, from back when we used to work hand in hand together with them. You know, that's that's how you live side beside with them.

1:13:58 You left, you left half. You know, shows hey, I know you're here. You know, because we're much better hunters than they are by far. They're just better woodsman than we are. It's because if you'll set a man, if you'll set a man in the woods for a year, I guarantee you he'll be a different person. And if you get a man that knows how to hunt and fish and he has a squat sighting, you turn that man into you can you can put him up against it, and if you can hold his gumption to it, and I should say you can put him up to against any man that the military ever trained, I guarantee you as far as brass, you know, having the gumption well, because these things can have a psychological effect on you if you let them. I mean I picked that up the way I look the way I look at it.

1:14:47 If you if you can't build a car, you ain't top dog. You know what I'm saying. If you can't make a projectile come out of a bullet, you know, I have a gun. You know, a top dog. But until you level the play in the field, and then who's top dog? Yeah, that's the thing we've we've lost. We've lost that that that old way to us, you know, we we've become very uh uh easy going. I guess you would say it lazy. I agree with that country. Before we we finish up, do you have any any final last words or uh? Uh? Yeah, when you go when you guys go to wood, knock and don't knock the fire out of the tree, because that's a sign of aggression. Uh, that's why you have all the That's why they come into you immediately. I know that's what you want.

1:15:39 Um start off with a with a single light, would not because when you go to pounding on that wood and like a lot of these guys are doing, uh, you're you're gonna you're one of these times you're going to run across the wrong squatch and and he's going to be looking for a female or a clan to join, and well that's a sign of aggression. Uh, so don't do that, don't don't make don't hit it as hard as you can. I mean, just just light knocks fair enough. Three three three is Uh, you're in trouble. That's what they're there. Their deal is if they scream, you're screwed. After the three knocks go and they go to screaming at you or wailing, like if you hurt one, yeah, you're probably not going to get out alive if you're not used to it.

1:16:24 I mean they're they're very, very very fast, and it dark. You can't hard to see them when they're moving. I mean, they're that fast. You might catch the eye eye glow, you know, occasionally if they look at you, But other than that, you're just gonna catch a little fleeting shadow, you know, with the with the light in ninety nine times at one hundred. I mean that's there. They're very sneaky. That's incredible. Thank you so much, Country, This has been an incredible chat. I really appreciate it. You bet you're a big For society, ARC is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

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