Country, The Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter

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I said, hey, that's my
deer, and it looked at me again

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and roared and looked at Dad and
seemed the gun, and then it really

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roared. Of course I'm shaking.
I said, fat, ain't mex move,

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Just shut it in my head Dad, And of course, Dad,

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I don't know whether he hurt me
or not. I took two steps up

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and tore. I could see up
on the flat and I pointed to the

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deer and it looked at the deer, looked at me snarled. I looked

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back at the deer, it's my
deer. And I reached to go grab

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another limb to take a step up
in it. Well, Dad shot and

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missed it about an inch and a
half. Well, he looked at my

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bead and tapped its head like,
damn, that was close, you know.

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I mean that the thing had fear
in its eyes. I said,

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in mine, And all I got
was a leg. It stepped over there

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with in about two steps. It
was probably twelve thirteen yards from him,

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but two steps or so then to
over tore the back leg off and slung

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it right into my chest and set
me right back into the creek. Welcome

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to the Big Society Podcast on this
episode of the privilege of talking to Country

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from the great state of Oklahoma.
Country has had many different interactions with Sasquatch

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in his state, and I would
ask that you approach this episode with an

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open mind. Hopefully some people listening
will have memories jogged of things they've experienced

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in the past after hearing this episode. We also need to take a minute

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to talk about something really important,
and it's free to do here at Bigfoot

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And let's get into the show,
all right, Big Society. I've got

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the privilege of talking to a gentleman
who came to me through Facebook Messenger.

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He is from the state of Oklahoma. He's got some very interesting things to

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share. His name is Country the
Country. How's it going? That's going

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great? Louis warm out here in
the season. Oh man, I hear

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you. We're burning up in Iowa. But I'm sure it's sod or down

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there. Oh yeah, we had
yesterday it was one hundred and twenty one

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heat in Dix, so yeah,
it was pretty hot. Wow that is

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And you're in h well, I
mean there's different parts of Oklahoma, right,

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I'm in the old Local Mountains,
Okay, Yeah, so south southern

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Oklahoma just above Texas, right,
yeah, I call it south central,

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Southern Southern, and south central all
right, all right, Yeah, I'm

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familiar with the southeast corner, as
you can imagine. I talked to a

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few people from over there, so
you're the first that I've talked to from

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the Arbuckle Mountains area, so that's
pretty cool. I've talked to a gentleman

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over in the western part of the
state as well, but excited to talk

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to you tonight. So it sounds
like you have quite the history. But

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how did things start out with you
with Well, we lived in We lived

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in Pittsburgh County back all since eighty
four. The incident there probably happened in

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when I was thirteen. I'm forty
three now, so you can do the

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math. I was both hunting and
it was just about dark. I hadn't

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seen a whole lot, you know, it's pretty quiet evening hunt. Uh,

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you know, usually see quite a
bit, but not that evening.

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I noticed a few of the birds
and stuff kind of just shut up all

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of a sudden, and they was
looking back to my east down the creek,

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the Coal Creek. So I looked
that way, picked up a binoculars,

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and I didn't see that. I
think, oh, it's probably dogs

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or deer coming through, or bobcat, you know, the way they shut

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up. I didn't see nothing.
And it went two or three minutes.

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A lot was fading pretty quick.
Then all of a sudden, I noticed

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the movement through the trees right along
the creek edge. I picked up my

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binoculars and a look, and I
immediately knew it was not a deer.

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It was not a bear. I
wasn't real sure what it was because it

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still had a little bit of brush
it stepped on out there. It was

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just caslic kind of strolling down the
bank, just pital farting around, and

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it stopped when the wind shifted from
my face to just slightly over my shoulder

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blowing right to it. It stopped. It picked its head up. It

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looked like it was smell in the
air, like a deer would do,

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or you know, an animal,
and I flose it. It was pretty

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good size, probably eight and a
half, and I could tell it was

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a female. Believe it or not. It had memory glands that I tell

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well. I got to see it
very flat faced, much of a cone,

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but it was there was a ridge
there, but it could have been

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here. It wasn't just the most
well groomed animal that you would see in

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the in the woods. She had
throwed her heads up and started swaying back

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and forth slightly and looking around and
checking her back trail for some reason.

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She finally the wind just kind of
picked up a little bit more and it

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was just too much. She ducked
down off into the creek, and all

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I could see was the top of
her shoulders in her head, and she

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kept peeking up over the top of
the bank and looking. She never did

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see me, but once she cleared
me about two hundred yards, I heard

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her come back up into the woods
about even with me on the creek bank,

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and she screamed. I did not
do nothing. I waited until dark.

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I planned to sit there until plumb
into well the next daylight the next

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morning before I climbed down, and
of course I knew my parents would get

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a little worried. But nothing new
for me to come strolling in two or

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three, four o'clock in the morning, you know, from being hunting.

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But so I wasn't too worried.
But about eleven o'clock I seen the light

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up there on top of the mountain, which is about oh, about a

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mile and three quarters away. It's
pretty steep mountain, you see it.

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And I could barely make him out
hollering for me. I did not say

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a word. I sat there until
he come down there to where I was

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at, and it was my dad. I told him, I said,

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Dad, you shouldn't be up there
or down on the ground. There's there's

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big foots here. He said,
Oh, they ain't gonna bother you.

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They never bothered you before. Come
on down. And when I hit the

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ground, she screamed again, and
another one screamed, and then another one

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screamed, and then whoops, all
down the ridge he just come off of

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and we kind of just he just
said, this keeps close to me,

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just a matter of fact. Just
put your finger in my back belt loop

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and we'll just go right the way
we come out down here. I didn't

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hunt that bottom for several years.
He made me stay on top of the

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mount and after that close to the
house for several years. UM. So

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that was the first incident. A
few sorry, can I ask you a

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few questions? That is really intense. So you you were pretty much surrounded

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by a Sasquatch. We were surrounded
for a good two and a half to

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three miles up and down the creek. I would say there was at least

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a dozen or more uh individuals that
rang up that night. And that's that's

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what that's why she was checking her
back trail. Do you feel you know?

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Oh, yes, No, they
didn't know I was in there.

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They didn't know I was in there, or they wouldn't even have showed theirselves

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because we hadn't had. Uh,
we've had, you know, strange things

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happen. You know, you've heard
the stuff, you know, bumping on

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the glass, bumping on the house. Uh, you know, throwing stuff

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up on the porch. Uh.
They would leave gifts pretty often. Uh.

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And now, of course I didn't
know this until I got up into

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my mid thirties, but my dad
had been feeding the dang things, so

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he knew about him. He knew, he knew very well about him,

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and he kept them secret even from
me, and I was probably the favorite

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son. You know, we hunted
together, fish together. I mean I

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was on his side constantly, and
he didn't tell me until you know,

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he started getting down hill and then
he told me what he knew and which

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by that time I had already acquired
a mass of information on the things I

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want to say. Just being out
in the woods, real quick to the

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listener for context of where we're talking, this is. You already said,

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this is Pittsburgh County, and this
is two counties to the west of Lafloora

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County and Oklahoma, just so people
realize, yeah, yeah, there's a

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lot of mining. Coal mining that
went on in that particular mountain had lots

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of old mines and stuff in it. A lot of them were classed at

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the instance. But I'm sure if
you knew the it's better than I did.

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You know, you probably knew where
to get in. And they probably

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hit it too. You know,
they're they're not dumb animals. I mean,

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when they'll climb up and stick a
deer in the top of one hundred

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and seventy five foot red oak tree
and it's seventy five foot off the ground

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and all you can see is the
head sticking over the top and there ain't

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no claw marks on it. What
done it? Is that something you've you've

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seen yourself? Yeah, they do
it a lot down there. They stick

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them down there all the time.
That's nothing. You'd be walking what that's

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known. If you don't look up, you're probably not going to notice it.

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But nine times that ten, it's
one of the they put it in

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the deal. And the reason I
believe they do that is because all the

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bears. I don't I don't have
any proof on that though, but that

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they like to stick them in the
trees up there or down there, I

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should say here they don't do that. They kill it and it's it's probably

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eat that night down in Arbuckle.
Yeah, yeah, I got you.

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Do you think your father had interactions
with the Sasquatch back when you were thirteen?

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Like it sounded like he knew what
was going on? Oh yeah,

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he he He had other incidences my
parents, my my my sister. Uh

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had an incident with my mom and
my dad. They were camped out down

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at McGhee Creek before the lake had
even filled up. Really uh, And

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it's screamed. Now, they didn't. They didn't come into camp that they

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said, it just the screen.
Uh, my sister run off into the

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tent and they left out that morning. You know, the following morning they

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moved camp. So what Dad said, what he said, Yeah, Oh,

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this is gonna be seventies, early
seventies. I've talked to multiple people

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about McGee McGee Creek and it's it's
a very it's a dangerous, crazy hot

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spot. Dangerous. It's dangerous.
They're they're they're crazy down there. Them

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squatses are dangerous. Uh, don't
trust them. I'm assuming it's because of

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all the people in around the public
there. That's the only thing I could

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think of, because we're you don't
have a whole lot of people, you

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don't have a whole lot of anger. Or if they're in town. There's

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a lot of places like Sulfur that
they come into town quite a bit at

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night. And another place another town
north of Sulfur Paul's Valley, which is

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straight up by thirty five and it
sets right on the wash, the Tall

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River. Most of your fast food
is within a quarter mile to a half

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mile of the river banks and it's
all open on the town side. You

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know, it's all fields pretty much. And I've actually seen them driving down

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the road early crack of daylight morning, you know, just barely make everything

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out. You know, if you
see deer up there, four five hundred

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ards, you can see deer,
but there's no cows where these are at.

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And it's just past the high school
too. There's a sleugh right there,

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and they were they were right on
the deal of it, and they

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were sitting up and there was three
of them big, and they were all

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black as far as I could tell, But their color varies as the sun

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it's a little bit so black would
probably be the color was low light.

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You know, what have you heard
from McGee Creek that makes you think that

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that area is is so dangerous for
sasquatch Ah. Well, there's people it's

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been missing, still missing for the
last fifty sixty years down there. It

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just doesn't happen a whole lot.
It's not like some of the It doesn't

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get as publicity, as much publicity
because of its region. You know,

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it's small town. Everybody's pretty tighten
it. If you don't know anybody,

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you're probably not going to get on
a place unless you have a bunch of

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cash. You know, money talks
down there because they're poor. You know,

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it's just logging industry for the most
part down there, and deer hunting

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at Lesa's. You know that's what
they do. Do you know of a

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place called Booger Hollow? Sure,
there's also a place on you followed like

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you followed that we call Booger Bottoms. It's it's a creek. It's it's

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uh, it's it's got a lot
of cattails into towards the mouth though.

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But once you get about a mile
and a half back up in the creek

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from off the way, you're in
prime territory. You'll you'll have something happen,

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usually within two or three nights there. And I grew up graduated out

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a Crowder. Okay, so I
mean I know that late all that region

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down through there, plumb down to
the Eagle Town, plumb down to you

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know, the Red River, were
all over it. You're saying that in

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Booger Hollow, you're there two or
three nights, you'll have stuff happen.

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Or do you mean the bottoms the
bottoms Booger Bottoms doneral like you fallaw?

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Okay? Yeah, have you heard
anything specifically about that has happened in Booger

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Hollow. Uh, not specifically.
I don't know a whole lot of people

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there. Uh. The people that
I knew I was a kid, old

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man Jelly that lived down around Red
Oak. Uh. That place has squatches

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on it and he U he told
us they was when the first time we

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come in camping. Uh, he
says, I don't take something. Guys,

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don't you be shooting my wild people. I kind of thought that funny,

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and dad knew what it. Man. You know, he'd been in

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there several times. But Jelly coming
in and kind of warned his kids not

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to be shooting anything on two legs. So he he actually said, don't

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go shooting my wild people. Yeah. Wow, his his daughter. Uh

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No, I probably better not feel
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it this way. They're related,
Okay, we'll put it that way.

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There's there's a relation there. We'll
leave it is country. If ye as

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we're talking. If there's anything you
need me to cut out, I will

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cut it out afterwards. So don't
feel like you're you're gonna get trapped.

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But well, yeah, most it's
pretty well general knowledge down around her part

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I mean they know uh uh you
know, if you come to the house

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and your family, you're going to
see it. U you know, it

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stays in the house. Let's put
that way. So but yeah, they

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can they can mix. Let's put
it that way. That's and that's the

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thing we can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about that. We

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don't need to talk about that.
Government doesn't you can hear about that.

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Oh boy, okay, and they
probably already know. Yeah, well we'll

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leave that there, but you can
pretty much get it all right. Well

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let's move on then. Um wow, s same county two years later.

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Now I had seen seen them,
uh just you know, one hundred two

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hundred yards just stuff moving through the
woods. You know, nothing, nothing

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aggressive, nothing that I would be
overly concerned about. I mean, were

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still taking game and uh you know
when were growing up, you brought game

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home every time you come in,
you know, or or you may not

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got to eat that night. Um
some weeks, you know, just depends.

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It was tight. Um. But
uh so we was deer hunting.

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I was sitting on the same Pence
line. A matter of fact, it

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was the very same three stand.
A deer had come down through there and

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then another deer, and then another
deer just kind of normal. Then finally

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the deer I wanted to shoot,
nice, nice ten point probably one hundred

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and thirty inch. You know,
back then and in the early nineties,

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it was that was a big deer. Uh now I think so much,

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but I was. I was glad
to shoot it. And well I shot

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it. I've seen it fall,
you know, fifty five seventy five yards

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down through there. I've seen it
chip over. But about five minutes later

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I also heard something where the thing
had screamed at and what what it is?

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Let me give you a little better
picture. It's a great big bend

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in the creek, makes a great
big white horse shoe in the creek there,

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and where it starts to swing back, there's probably three and a half

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acres river cane in there. Uh, there's a big tunnels. I always

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thought the pigs had done it,
because the pigs used it quite a bit

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too. After I got a little
older, I learned not to go around

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the river can so much. They
kind of like hanging out in there in

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the daytime. Uh, that thing
come out of the river came. I

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didn't see it, but I could
see my dad coming because he heard me

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shoot. He was, you know, four five hundred yards away back on

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to the other end of the the
horseshoe there, setting on another bottle neck.

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But well, he was walking down
through there. He was pushing deer

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my way, hogs my way.
I didn't shoot anything else, and he

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looked up at me and said,
get it. I said, yeah,

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I think something picked up though he
looked, well, let's come on,

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we'll just go to the house.
No, No, it's a big deer.

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We're gonna we're gonna go see if
we can't see it anyways, and

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maybe scared and maybe he'll drop it. That's and that's not the best idea.

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I was pretty stubborn, you know. I had had a rifle in

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the hand. I thought I was, you know, tough. We pursued

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on several hundred yards turned into about
three and a half miles. Uh.

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Once we got into the area,
we crossed the big slew that the the

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water treatment plant had made because the
pipe leak real bad. It's they've since

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destroyed that Washington plant and everything,
but so it's kind of dried up back

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in there now a little bit.
But once we crossed that, in that

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main creek that fed it into it. I knowed where it was going because

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that's where the coal mines and stuff
was at. And I mean we could

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see it two or three times,
you know, setting five yards one hundred

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and ten yards just depending on the
brush down through there. You know,

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it's kind of kind of open along
the creek once you got thirty forty yards

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off the creek where the floodplain didn't
clear it out every you know, every

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time it got up it was much
much sticker, and it was it was

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traveling the edge of that so the
tracks is pretty easy most of the time

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in that bottom land. It was
leaving tracks about three and a half to

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four inches deep, where me and
Dad was only leaving about an eighth of

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the niche just barely making marks,
you know, considerably big. Um.

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That's I mean, we shouldn't we
shouldn't be going after that's a big track.

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If well, we got to do
something, I said, bullcrat,

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I said, burning can't even kill
a deer, because I said, they've

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probably him around like crazy. And
that's you well, you know, it

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is what it is. It's just
how you live with them. You just

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don't do nothing, and they don't
do nothing. Yeah, well we're doing

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something because he done something. We
ended up track ended up there and we

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could hear multiple animals on this flat
just below the where this mind was at.

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I said, I don't know that
that's that's kind of crazy, he

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said, And just he said,
don't take your gun if you're gonna walk

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up there. He says, to
make sure you let them know you're coming.

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So we're we haven't crossed the creek
yet, and a whistle goes out,

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so we've already been made. I
just said, hey, that's my

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dear, and I heard it sounded
like a herd of elephants standing up and

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running up up to the deal.
But we could see a few of them

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going through the cedars and and you
know the oat and stuff. Um,

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but there were several that didn't.
Uh, so we we you know,

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I want head and took a couple
of steps, and when I did,

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it stopped over the side. And
I mean when it roared, it literally

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moved the hair on my head and
face. It was loud. I said,

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hey, that's my dear, and
it looked at me again and roared

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and looked at Dad and seeing the
gun, and then it really roared.

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I mean just saying he almost It
was almost so much it made you nautiously

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because of the vibration on the inside
of you, if that makes sense to

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you. It almost turned our stomachs. It was that loud. Of course

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I'm shaking. I said, if
that's ain't makes the move, just shut

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it in the head Dad, And
of course, Dad, I don't know

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whether he hurt me or not.
I took two steps up and tore.

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I could see up on the flat
and I pointed to the deer and it

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looked at the deer, looked at
me, snarled. I looked back at

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the deer, that's my deer,
and I reached to go and grab another

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limb. Takes a step up and
it well, Dad shot and missed it

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about an inch and a half.
Well. He looked at my dad and

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tapped its head like, damn,
that was close, you know, I

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mean, the thing had fear in
its eyes. I said, in mine,

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I said, mine, that's mine. I got to eat too,

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you know. And it looked at
me like it understood what I was wanting.

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And all I got was a leg. It stepped over are within about

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two steps. It was probably twelve
thirteen yards from him but two steps or

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so then to over tore the back
leg off and slung it right into my

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chest and set me right back into
the creek. That said, take your

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leg, get your gun, let's
go. And we were escorted out from

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the ridge line. They were they
were making a point to show that to

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be seen upon that ridge line,
and they followed us up to the high

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line that goes down Offender that we
took in and out and at that point

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they stopped and when we went up
the hill, they turned around and went

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back down. And after that we
it was it wasn't so much being harassed

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as it was every time we come
to the woods, they were always there.

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I mean it was you just couldn't
get away from it. I don't

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care where you went, they knew
you was there. It was crazy.

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I mean it was that's it.
As long as they're not hurt. Yeah,

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not the tack. He said,
just keep doing your deal's it.

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They're just checking you out. And
so that's what we did. And that's

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it's. Uh, well, I
had one. That's you know. It

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was the next year, that following
February, after they took the deer,

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I was fishing the sloo pond back
there, catching channel cat on steak bait.

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And it was cold, cold,
cold, and I don't know,

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I had probably twenty five thirty cat
fish. You know, nobody going to

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regulate it, you know, a
young man or how many fish you had.

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And I was just about getting ready
to go, and I mean I

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had another little little bite there,
and I picked up the rod. When

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I picked up the rod, a
hand reached out of the brush because the

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brush was just cleared by beavers.
You know, it wasn't much, you

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know, a couple of foot wide
tops before you stepped into you know,

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eight to twenty foot tall saplings that
were so fit that cotton tails couldn't get

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in it. I never heard nothing, I never saw nothing, I never

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smelt nothing until the hand touched me
on the shoulder and rolled me back and

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he just picked kicked my stringer up
with two fingers. Mind you smiled real

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big and walked off. Oh crap, that such, that's a lot of

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work. I'm mad a heck of
a stringer catfish. So I just,

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well, I don't know nothing else
to do. Let's start catching fish.

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That told me to bring fish home. You know, I still had plenty

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of time I started catching more fish. I don't know. Kenner led more

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catfish and I went to the house
carrying them on sticks. I strung him

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up. That's what I had to
use. As I come around the bend

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in this access road that come off
from the old Ward Trooper plant, there's

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my stringer hanging up in the tree. So I strung up a fish and

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went on back my rat killing to
the house. I told that dad,

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so don't tell mom. He said
he might probably shouldn't go catfishing for a

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while down there. He said they
might be kind of tough for him right

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now. She said, might just
soon take you instead of the catfish.

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I said, well, he smiled
when he took him, and he was

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real polite. That said, what
do you mean he was PLI said,

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he only used two fingers and held
his pink yet like he was drinking a

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cup from an englishman. He said, you're a kidding. I said,

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nope, I said. He turned
around and walked off. I said,

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And it wasn't the big guy,
he says, oh, I said,

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so what was it a female?
And no, it was a male.

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Dad, I know for sure,
because it was standing right over the top

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of me pretty much he said,
oh, well, he smiled. That

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just said he smiled. I said, there's a stringer. He gave me

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a stringer back by the time I
thought my fish and made it around.

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You know, I told him the
story and he was just like, Yeah,

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from this point on, just started
leaving half of everything you take from

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the wood. So if you shoot
thirty squirrels, fifteen over goes with them.

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And so that's what we started doing, or I started doing. And

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at this point in time, you
know, Dad was he always told me

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was drugging the creek, but I
think he was taking the hog pellets down

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there and feeding the thing squatches.
I really do it. Sounds like you

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got a really good look at the
face of the sasquatch at multiple times.

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Can you describe. Yeah, A
lot of you guys get it A lot

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of you guys get it so wrong. I've never seen anything that looked even

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remotely close to a gorilla. Uh. It's a It's a pricking neanderthal,

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is what it is. That's what
it is. It's a Neanderthal. I

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don't care if the bones tell you
different. It's a it's a big,

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giant neanderthal. It looks just like
a Neanderthal. It's a man. I

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mean, there's no, there's no
it's got a big baldes snows. Some

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of them are flats. I mean, uh, it's it's a it's a

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it's a Neanderthal, that's what it
is. Just big, just big.

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You know. I gotta hand it
to your father. He it sounds like

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in all these a house. He
is reacting with just a calmness to him.

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But also you can tell that he
has had some interactions over the year,

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like he knows about them a lot. He was not surprised too much.

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Yeah, I figured probably since the
fifties or sixties, because he had

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made mention that when he was a
little kid, he shot a bear in

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the tabletops, which is western Elmore
City, in a little north and he

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said it was a honey bear,
he said, but the honey bear was

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eleven foot long. I was like, yeah, well, what was your

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drinking, dad? He said,
I wasn't drinking, and I don't think

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it was a bear. He said, it called off in the brush and

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I turned around. Now left,
So he said he went back and looked

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and see if but that he could
never get off in that brushpole. You

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know, he said when he crawled
off in the bush pole get raised it

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up. So that says Pruss,
paheman is probably something pushed by a bulldozer

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or something. Knowing my dad a
big you know, a pile of trees.

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Wow. And this is in Pittsburgh
County. Uh No, this that

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would I'm not real sure what county
that is. That's in the tabletops where

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that where he had that happened.
What we what I've been discussing right now

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has been in the Pittsburgh The only
places I've had any any sidings in Oklahoma

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has been Pittsburgh. A couple down
in in Macintosh County, which is above

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it on the river. Uh that
we was coming out of the woods and

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they crossed out in the field.
There was two of them, a big

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one and a little one, I
would say, mom, and a young

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one. You know. Uh didn't
get a great look at him, just

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you could just tell it was what
it was. You know. It's I

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mean down there, that's those things
are fairly common. I mean, no,

408
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.039
most folks ain't gonna talk about them, but yeah, a lot of

409
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.960
folks see them down there a lot
way more than it's coming out. Every

410
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.319
time that you've seen them has it
come to your mind that, hey,

411
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.519
this looks like a Neanderthal, or
have there been times where every time,

412
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:14.319
every every time, okay, every
time, every time they look like anander

413
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.160
Thalt, big big Christy forehead.
You know, it's big, it's very

414
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.400
masculine, very thick. The jaws
are thick, very square, teeth are

415
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.920
squared. Never seen kaneines, you
know. I mean, they got Kane

416
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.559
out of them, but they look
just like ours. They're not much there.

417
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.240
I mean, it's not like I
don't know where these folks is getting

418
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.839
the three inch things and stuff that
maybe a different thing. I don't know,

419
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.839
but I mean, Jimmy christ Is, when you sit down and eat

420
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.680
deer jerky with them, I think
I know what they look like. I

421
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:52.200
mean, so yeah, let's let's
talk about that then. Um, so

422
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:59.200
you have actually sat down with some
individuals. I was, I was homeless

423
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.799
several years back here in a Garvin
County. Uh, one of my dad's

424
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.839
friends. I just kind of I
didn't really ask, I just kind of

425
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.119
popped the tent and made my made
my place there. You know, A

426
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.680
hunted on it, fished on it. I know that'd be okay, as

427
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.480
long as that's the only place I
had to go, and it, yeah,

428
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.400
I did. That was the only
place I had to go at the

429
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:26.839
time. So I don't know.
I've been there a month or two.

430
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.720
Nope, nothing, I ain't seen
nothing, ain't hurt nothing. I never

431
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:36.200
felt nothing. Um you know,
I never smelt nothing, never seen tracks.

432
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:37.880
All of a sudden, one night
there was a whoop down on the

433
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.559
bottom. I whoop back like a
dummy, and it came up there.

434
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.240
And from then on, Uh,
it was up there almost every night,

435
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.599
and it sat and it watched.
That's all it done. It just sat

436
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.519
on its haunches and it watched.
So I don't know, several several weeks

437
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.640
went by. I hadn't had no
nothing out of it, you know,

438
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:02.480
it hadn't had really seen it in
a week or so in the daylight through

439
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:06.599
it that way. In the daylight, you hear it walking around outside down

440
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.920
the grass and stuff, but you
couldn't see it with no light. Well,

441
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.440
I decided I was going to go
down to the pond, which is

442
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.839
about one hundred one hundred and twenty
yards straight in front of me, heading

443
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.599
back towards the Paul's Valley, matter
of fact, towards the river. Falling

444
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.440
down are fishing, and it's it
had a few smaller fishing. It need

445
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.519
to be called out a little bit, you know. It hadn't been harvested

446
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.200
enough, you know, out of
it over the years. So I was

447
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.759
throwing the fish over the bank.
And when this bank is sold sixty five

448
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.079
foot to the bottom of the ravine
down there. But it's nice grade,

449
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.720
you know, it's it was built. So I'm just awesome over my back,

450
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.720
not thinking much of it. And
I hear something down there while there's

451
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.960
a deer or something in behind me, and said it said one more.

452
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.079
And when it said one more,
I just set ma rod down and looked

453
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.759
over, you know, climbed up
the bank there and looked over, and

454
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.920
it was sitting there, the same
thing that had been sitting there and watching

455
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.799
me every night. I said one
more, and give me one finger.

456
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.839
I thought, what the hell?
So I dropped back over the dial and

457
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.920
said, okay, you know,
I was kind of stooking up. As

458
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.319
long as you're eating the fish and
not me, we're cool, you know.

459
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.599
So I pitched another great big perch
over. This time he hopped up

460
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:26.119
around top of the bank and was
sitting there and he waited for the fish.

461
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.160
This time. I was like Jimmy
Christmas said you. I just kind

462
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.599
of looked at him, and he
didn't look mad or nothing. He just

463
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.119
was wiggling his toes, waiting on
the next fish. I mean, that's

464
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.039
the He looked like he was anticipating
a meal, I mean, for free,

465
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.319
like I had nothing, no problems
with him or nothing, you know,

466
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.559
like he knew me from day one. I mean that's the way he

467
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.480
was treating me. So I kept
catching fish, and when I throwed the

468
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.319
big croppie in the basket, he
kind of grunted at me. I said,

469
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.759
oh, I got to eat too, And he walked down there looking

470
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.039
the basket and picked him up and
looked at me, and he set the

471
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:05.200
basketback down. He kind of walking
a little closer in behind him and sat

472
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.880
down. I kept a fishing,
kept fishing. Finally caught a nice croppy.

473
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.480
I tossed up her to him this
time, and he eat it up,

474
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.240
got up, didn't say nothing,
didn't make a noise, and just

475
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.160
walked off into the to the woods, plumbed down to the river where I

476
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.319
couldn't hear him no more. And
I didn't see him for three or four

477
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:28.640
days. So the next encounter was
probably I see I went to church that

478
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:34.079
Sunday, so I guess it was
Tuesday night. The wife, my now

479
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.359
wife, she come out and brought
me dinner and everything, and she's gonna

480
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:44.039
stay tonight. So she stayed tonight. She got up to pee, she

481
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:45.960
screamed, I mean, that's all
there was to it. She'd never seen

482
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:51.839
one, so I stuck my head
out the window the deal and said,

483
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.319
let's oh, hey, good guy, and he turned and just walked off.

484
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.640
She come back into the tent that
she was pretty shaken, says,

485
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.279
I think I'm just gonna leave.
It was okay. She says, you're

486
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.920
going to go now. He don't
bother me none. I said, me

487
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:09.920
and him have been hanging out,
and said he's all right. I said

488
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.119
there, I'll let you know if
you know, if he gets worse or

489
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.599
anything like that, or he gets
to being a turd, and uh,

490
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.880
he said, okay, I think
I'm gonna leave. I can't be around

491
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.599
those hit things. Was hideous.
I said, yeah, they're pretty ugly.

492
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.920
I said, if you're not used
to it, you know, they're

493
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:31.319
pretty scary. So she laughed,
and I didn't see him that night.

494
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:37.119
Uh. Anyways, Uh, I
was cooking beer leg uh you know,

495
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.279
pieces of it on the on the
grill, and it come up, and

496
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.799
when it come up, it looked
up and saw the meat and it just

497
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.640
kind of pointed up to meat.
I just kind of waved it done over.

498
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.119
The wood stopped, turned around and
whist made a little cookie noise and

499
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:58.119
kind of m I don't know what
you would call it, a little gargle

500
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.640
type of sounding. And I heard
two other things sat down in the world.

501
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.359
So I handed him all the meat
that was on the deal there,

502
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.519
and he kept looking over at the
rest of the deer. Just take what

503
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.039
you want, you know. He
pulled the whole deer right off into the

504
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.920
woods, all the thing that ain't
cool. So it didn't even leave me

505
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:22.000
any meat because I didn't give him
what was already on the grill. So

506
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.679
Billy coming back and he brought some
of my deer back. Okay, the

507
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:29.880
front two legs is all I got
off that deer. Well, I killed

508
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.239
off there, and you know,
I got my belly full anyways, and

509
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.400
made jerky out of the rest of
That's what I stayed up doing the rest

510
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.519
of the night. Next morning,
he was sitting up there at camp waiting

511
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.880
on me. Get up, and
you're looking at it, looking at the

512
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.880
jerky, Oh crap, that's my
breakfast. And he looked over at me.

513
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.719
He just kind of kind of up
on his toes and down like,

514
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.400
Hi, how you doing. Didn't
say nothing, didn't grunt, didn't do

515
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.679
nothing, didn't know hand gesture,
just didn't look right back at the meat.

516
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.840
And I walked over and I got
me a piece of hand at the

517
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.679
hid. He just plopped down,
just grabbed a couple more pieces off there,

518
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.440
and then whistled. And when he
whistled, there was four more come

519
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.440
out of the woods. They were
one female and two smaller ones. One

520
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.639
was probably the smaller of the two, was probably about four and a half

521
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.920
foot, another one is about six. The mono was the right out of

522
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.480
about eight, and he was setting
in about nine and a half ten foot

523
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.159
massive and five and a half foot
of the shoulders, probably a good three

524
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.960
and three and a half almost four
the hips, big big, big,

525
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:37.440
big boy, big boy, and
he's the big guy. He didn't like

526
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.800
me, he just he said and
just was showing teeth the whole time.

527
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.880
I'd look over and he turned his
head and like that, you know,

528
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.039
not aggressive, but I would say
that he wasn't very interested in being there,

529
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.719
but somebody else was up there getting
food for him, so he came

530
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.960
up there. This went on.
They pestered me every after that. I

531
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.679
mean it was they had come up
whistle tap on the tenth. If I

532
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679
wouldn't get out of the tent,
the big guy would unzip the tent,

533
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.320
hold the door open, and the
guy that I was feeding, Uh,

534
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.119
he would jerk me out by my
ankle, not hard, just grabbing him.

535
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.920
Pull me out and clap do something. You know, he wanted to

536
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.400
he wanted to hang out. Uh
you know, of course I let him

537
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.599
go through everything. You know,
they didn't final food, lost interest in

538
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:31.599
me, and they'd shove off.
This went on almost nightly to every other

539
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.320
couple of four nights or so.
They'd be a day or two, they'd

540
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.920
they wouldn't be there and I'd get
some sleep. He got to the point

541
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.280
where I was sleeping in the daytime
and up with them their jerks of a

542
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.519
night. It was crazy. They
will that wasn't all of them. That's

543
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.079
the thing that wasn't all of them. There was nine total, one nil

544
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.880
very large. Uh, probably leave
and foot very long haired, uh silver,

545
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.519
silver'sh white, no hand one on
one side on his left side.

546
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.519
A matter of fact, it was
gone about mid four. No hand lost

547
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:15.880
the scars. So I figured he
was the top alpha before. That's kind

548
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:19.920
of what I thought. So that
means there's other ones around there. Well,

549
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.039
anyways, they got to where they
was to learn how to open my

550
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.920
truck up. That was interesting.
I come into camp from going and taking

551
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:34.639
a shower up the road at the
local city lake and uh, I come

552
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.159
back and everything and my truck was
tore out clothes, food, what they

553
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.199
didn't like, they just stomped it. I saw Zee, who was then

554
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.719
the one of the females, come
in there, and she tried to tell

555
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.519
them who it was, but she
was pointing to tracks, and you know,

556
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.400
and I didn't pay much attention to
the tracks. I was seeing them

557
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.519
every day, you know, kind
of lose interesting tracks when you got the

558
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:06.280
things, Mary, you know,
I want to go back to something you

559
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.440
said. So you said there was
a time where your tent was unzipped and

560
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:16.360
it dragged you out of the tent. Yeah, no, it was zipped.

561
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.840
The biggest mail he unzipped. It
held the door it was to held

562
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.440
the flat open, and the one
that was friendly to him. He reached

563
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.039
in there every time by the ankle
very gently and would just pull, you

564
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.880
know, just like he was to
poor your kid across the floor right on

565
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.440
out. Of course, you know, it got to be kind of comical

566
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.800
for a while, and then it
got to be kind of annoying when you

567
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.079
know, you know, you just
didn't want to get up, you tell

568
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.800
a no, and he would be
a little more forceful. And then he

569
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.719
got to where he was rolling me
out across the deal some nights, you

570
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.079
know, because I didn't well,
I was having to wasn't feeling good.

571
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.679
So this went on the watch see
him, I don't know, numerous times

572
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.000
in and out, daytime, night
time. I mean, it didn't matter,

573
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.239
uh than the guy that owns it, he swears it down there's nothing

574
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.320
in there, but yet he won't
come in mow anymore. Over there,

575
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.119
I do all the mowing, okay, so, uh yeah it is.

576
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:19.320
And this happened, uh when uh
after I had moved out. I'm thinking

577
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.760
that he drove in and thought it
was they thought it was me, and

578
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.719
they stepped out in the road.
That's kind of what I'm thinking, because

579
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.280
I mean that's how it got to
be. When I pulled in Trump,

580
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.000
I mean, they was already coming
out to meet me. I mean it

581
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.960
was crazy. Wow, But you
got to see this place is thick.

582
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:42.320
I mean it's stick, you know, and it's there's houses all around me

583
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.199
except for along the river. I
mean, it's crazy. He didn't.

584
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.400
I mean they bought right up in
town. I mean they come up parts

585
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.400
the lake occasionally, and you know, and and miss around the lake coast.

586
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.559
He's got storis so which is pretty
common. I mean this this is

587
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.119
the same area that they found the
Valley giant skeletons. A matter of fact,

588
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.559
I'm about three quarters of them all
from the exact location where they found

589
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:13.199
them, and I'm not familiar with
with that, but I could probably guess

590
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:19.760
a very large skeleton that was found. I'm guessing numerous very large skeleton,

591
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:25.639
six toes, six fingers. These
these only have five, though, the

592
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.360
creatures that you deadly had five.
Yeah, they only have five. They

593
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:39.760
only have five. Okay, Yeah, very interesting. Did you ever try

594
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.599
to take those a picture of them
or did you have well, every time

595
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.599
you pull your phone out, it
kind of stirs up problems there would be

596
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.960
some squawking amongst the males, and
they would try to take the phone away

597
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.920
from you and destroy it. And
I got I got banged up pretty good,

598
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.840
you know, trying to get my
phone, keeping from getting it because

599
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.519
it was raining. Uh So they're
they're highly intelligent, highly intelligent. Uh

600
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.320
well, at this point in time, they had made no no communications other

601
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:21.599
than hand gestures pointing stuff like that. Uh I get my TV. Wow.

602
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:27.280
When I started having the seizures in
front of them, they were much

603
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.360
They started I'm talking to me and
pampering me and stuff and bringing me food,

604
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:38.719
and they knew I was sick,
you know. So uh yeah,

605
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.880
they know English. It's not it's
not like me and you talk it.

606
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:50.440
It's pretty pretty uh plane lane,
very uh simple. You know me this,

607
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.119
me that, you this. You
know they understand that. And I

608
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.239
think they understand more. They just
don't say it. But they have their

609
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.760
own language. I know that.
I know they speak Cherokee, uh because

610
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.360
I've heard them do it downer in
Pittsburgh County. Uh. You know that

611
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.239
we had school and they taught Cherokee
in our school, uh for several years

612
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.159
there. And so I kicked up
on the chairke and I heard them talking

613
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:16.079
in the woods. Uh so,
but the places this place I'm talking about,

614
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.360
I got to see a lot of
cool stuff. They hunted rattlesnakes.

615
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.960
The places eat up with timber rattlers. That was a main staple that I

616
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:28.159
could sit in camp and have a
rattlesnake every day or two or three.

617
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.480
And at the neighbor's mode, which
was directly in behind the yards away,

618
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.559
there was a big wall of the
brush and stuff and green briars and and

619
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.599
um multi floral rosebush that kind of
blocked their views. But when they mowed,

620
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.920
the snakes got of crawling out of
the brush. So and I get

621
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.039
them when they got to the mode
park and whack them in the heads,

622
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.199
get them out. That was lunch, you know, pretty easy for yourself.

623
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:57.360
Well yeah, for myself for myself. Yeah, because a lot of

624
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.840
times it was super hot, and
they would they would they would kind of

625
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.079
got real real hot. You wouldn't
see them. He just they wouldn't be

626
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.079
up barren topic on the sun.
I don't know where they went. I

627
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.559
said, I wasn't getting around good
in the woods to falling around and stuff.

628
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:15.360
Not much. Anyway, we walked
down the pond stuffing. I can't

629
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.280
walk up down the creek easy,
the easy walking stuff. You know,

630
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:25.800
you have anything kind of news to
you? I have a question. This

631
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.079
might be a totally left left turner
or something like that, but um,

632
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.880
you know you you said you're in
it. You're about in your early forties.

633
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:43.960
Um, were you involved or had
any interactions with people that were involved

634
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:54.199
with the siege that happened about twenty
years ago? No comment? Okay,

635
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.639
I respect that, all right,
that we signed stuff. So I'll comment.

636
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.119
We hunted them, Okay, I
hunted them for a long time.

637
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.159
This is I hunted them before.
This is where we're talking about right now.

638
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:16.239
Our shot dozens of them. So
okay, so you have you have

639
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:24.639
hunted sasquatch, and actually I guess
it's close because uh well, uh,

640
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.280
let's put it this way. It's
just as good as they are in the

641
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.800
woods. I can be just as
good, if not better. Sure,

642
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:37.480
and you've dispatched of multiple is what
you're saying. Yes. Uh for a

643
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.920
while there it was it was well
known that's what I've done. Uh,

644
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.599
you know, and people would call
me all the blue they have problems.

645
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.199
Uh you know, you know what
you've heard the stories raiding the house,

646
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.920
is tearing it up, you know, causing problems with the family. Yeah,

647
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.519
so we shot those things. Uh. There was an Indian, a

648
00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:00.639
Kree Indian who used to live down
the road for me that we traded quite

649
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:01.880
a bit. You know. He
was an older man. He drank a

650
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.840
lot. But uh, he showed
me, he says, he says,

651
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.440
I noticed and things like to follow
you and your dad around down there.

652
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.239
And of course I didn't know he
even knew that, you know, they

653
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.920
was following us. I said,
what things? He said, you know

654
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.039
what I'm talking about, And he
says, let me show you how to

655
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.760
call them things up. And he
showed me how to do it. But

656
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:31.400
he also made a a concoction of
animal parts and you had burned it on

657
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.800
the fire until it was a good
add water to it, and then you'd

658
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.159
let it steam off of there and
let it bull down to pretty much nothing.

659
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.000
And when they started smoking in the
bottom of the pan. Uh,

660
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.079
it wouldn't be very long. If
if the wind was right, face smelt

661
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.119
it. They were they were going
to come. And it was always brought

662
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:59.880
an aggressive always abroad, an aggressive
squatch every time they come to fight.

663
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.079
When he when't they smelled that?
Can you go over what was in?

664
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.719
Or? God? Really, I
don't. None of you guys need to

665
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.800
know that. Uh you're gonna get
yourselves hurt. Uh you need you know

666
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.880
you're gonna get yourself hurt and you're
gonna get killed. I've been slammed across

667
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.360
over two and a half three miles
through the woods by a female. Uh.

668
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.840
She had me by my overall straps
and was slinging me in through the

669
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.480
brush and stuff. I think she
was trying to hijack this's what she was

670
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.079
trying to do, but we were
trying to kill her when it took us

671
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:42.519
three years to get her and two
other shots that was causing the problems three

672
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.800
years. Yeah, that that this
particular one that wore me and Tom out.

673
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.119
Uh. Yeah, we could come
on the property. She wouldn't even

674
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.320
see and would come on the property
within ten minutes being out of the truck,

675
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.840
and this thing was already flipping out, didn't matter whether it's dark or

676
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.000
daylight. She had a great,
big tall mountain that they're on the top

677
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.440
right off, I mean right there
at the house. I mean that's where

678
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:07.320
it was watching us from. They
knew when we come in, come out,

679
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:15.039
and everything else. They're like ninjas, right. There have been They

680
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:21.519
are multiple people that have said,
I'm thinking of people that are involved with

681
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:29.000
Area X. They've had the creature
in their sights and they have not been

682
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.440
able to pull the trigger because of
how it looks. Is that anything that

683
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.360
you struggled with or how are you
a man? Look? No, no,

684
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.679
dude, when it's when it's got
a limb, a limb eleven foot

685
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.679
long, eight inches across the base
of it and going to smash your head

686
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.559
and no problem, I'll pulled the
trigger every time. Ain't got no problem.

687
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.079
But you're aggressive, I'll kill you
fair enough. I mean there goes

688
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.079
for any man or anything like that. I mean my life sepear, Yeah,

689
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:57.920
your toes, Yeah, if I
can get it, okay, all

690
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:05.639
right? Um? But yeah they
they Yeah, that was that was a

691
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.480
bad group. After we got those
three shot outs, Uh it was,

692
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.280
it calmed down. She still has
squatches over there, but they sure don't

693
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:20.199
miss with her, uh nor no
other than the other neighbors. Has there

694
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.760
ever been a time, oh sorry, go ahead. Has there ever been

695
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:29.760
a time when you were hunting them
during that time where it got really close

696
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:36.719
to being game over for you.
Um No, because I usually took the

697
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:42.760
upper hand nine castend the time enough. UM, I use reverse tactics.

698
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.159
They like to have the high ground. Let them have the high ground,

699
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.679
but don't let them get it to
it. Don't don't let yourself be open

700
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.599
to the high ground. In other
words, uh make it, make make

701
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.079
yourself hard to get to in that
low ground. Uh. Use areas that

702
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.719
are small types fit into that's good
good place. Don't even try climbing trees.

703
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.840
They can climb it faster than you
can even think about. I mean,

704
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.719
and literally swing from it, jump
from tree to tree. Uh.

705
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.480
There, I'll see the squats.
I was tracking him. Uh he noticed

706
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.519
me, you know, he turned
around. I was checking us back to

707
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.400
he saw me. Uh, took
about four or five keen steps, big

708
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.039
jump steps, and hopped up on
trees and started and so I couldn't follow

709
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.039
his tracks anymore. Uh. He
went on through their three hundred yards before

710
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.800
he ever stopped doing that. Of
course I could see him and hear him,

711
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.079
so he didn't really make much difference. He didn't see he couldn't see

712
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:38.639
me. He just knew I was
behind him. Wow, they're very shy.

713
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:43.119
They don't want to They don't want
no problems out of us. Ninety

714
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.159
nine percent of the time. Uh. The where you're where you're coming in

715
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.440
and they're growling at you. That
growl is uh to get you to get

716
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.440
gone. Uh. They like to
intimidate. Uh. They liked the bluff.

717
00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:01.400
But once once the footstoping's done,
uh, and there's no more whistling

718
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:07.199
going on, and it's going to
whoops. Uh you you you were after

719
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.800
welcome? Uh, it's time to
get out. Uh. Now not every

720
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.079
clans like that. The clans.
I could take the clans over here,

721
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.400
I guarantee you. By the time
we walk in and twentyments is setting up,

722
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.639
they're already going to be surrounding us
and jack and with us. Uh.

723
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.440
And they're not nice. We don't
go in there very often. So

724
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:29.719
after you would dispatch of one,
what would happen to the body, Oh,

725
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.039
they snag it up every time?
Who would every time they would squat

726
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.519
us, so they would rush So
you okay, so you would take one

727
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.000
out and they would if you if
you shot one, Yeah, I guarantee

728
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.000
you there was there was two or
three right there near it, and uh,

729
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.119
they would draw your attention off to
one side or the other. Uh

730
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.760
phone rocks or something like that,
and they would pick it up, and

731
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.039
you know, I mean sometimes you
get another shot, two shots, you

732
00:50:55.039 --> 00:51:00.159
know, and get two or three. But they always they always had somebody

733
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.960
come pick them up. The one
time that we didn't and uh this was

734
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:09.559
this was well, this was when
just shortly before they come in and shot

735
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.639
a lot of them. Uh.
So we turned it in and man,

736
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.159
it was four and a half weeks, uh in contentury more or less.

737
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:25.400
Uh on a government base. I
don't know where I was that they drop

738
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:31.519
him off the house. So you
got taken to a government base for dispatching.

739
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.239
Yeah, we turned it, We
turned it into We turned it into

740
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:40.320
the park within I guarantee it was
in two and a half hours. I

741
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:46.199
was already in a van and was
was sedated. Really snack snagged me up

742
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.239
right up out of my own yard. Didn't even they pulled. They pulled

743
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.920
the country on me, is what
they've done. I wasn't plan attention to

744
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.360
had the guard lets down. Took
a country down. Yeah, wow,

745
00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:01.039
oh man, And so you came
to and all I heard was about about

746
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.760
five yards before he got to me. Because they come around the back side

747
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.000
of the uh the shed there.
I heard the grass move and I whirled

748
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.840
around and I was hit town.
I mean that was they hit me with

749
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.800
a bean bag charge right in the
side the head. Why do you think,

750
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.639
why do you think they wanted you
in that in that government base?

751
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.599
Oh, because they wanted they wanted
me to help. But I didn't want

752
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.199
to kill them out. I just
I told him, I said, we

753
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.360
we only hunt problems quatches. I
said, you go on these mountains and

754
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.800
I said, most most of you
guys are are just You're gonna be just

755
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.480
in the wind. They're just gonna
disappearing them to step off in the caves,

756
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.519
and that's gonna be the end of
it. You're not gonna find them.

757
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.880
Well, they found them. They
saw a lot off the park.

758
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:45.559
Uh. Then the following within six
eight months of them being done and cleared

759
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:51.519
out, Uh, they cut the
cedars. And when they cut the cedars,

760
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.719
what what few will remain they moved. H And now I'm I'm still

761
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.760
I know where that group's at.
I just can't get to them because it's

762
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.559
on land and they won't let me
in there. So you're saying there was

763
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:13.000
it's chopped Oh, boy. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty

764
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:20.760
much. Now you understand why.
Kind of kind of spooky bad things.

765
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.119
But anyways, so it's it's a
Choctaw land and it's land locked, right.

766
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.440
Uh no, it's Chickasaw Land.
I'm sorry, I forgot where.

767
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.280
I think it's Chickasaw. Chickasauce.
They chalkedall on down down south and the

768
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:43.960
Geek Creek area. But uh no, they're they're they're Murray Garvin County.

769
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:49.679
Uh yeah, that's what these are
here. Uh So, yeah, so

770
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:51.960
they got a bunch of lands,
you know, just pockets out and this

771
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.920
is I'll tell you right where it's
that. They got a big old recreation

772
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.559
center just on the other side of
the lake and it's right there. They

773
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:06.119
moved off into then valleys into their
and you can still they still come to

774
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:10.239
the lake hunt at night. They
just don't live there anymore. They just

775
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.599
want to verify one more. So
you're saying that there is a big group

776
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:21.199
from the base that actually went out
and multiple sasquatch in a time period,

777
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:30.280
dozens dozens that at one time me
and Charles Hallmark had documented at least forty

778
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:38.480
different individuals that lived on the park
alone on the Tabortine Guy Sandy side of

779
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:45.880
what park is on Chicksaw National Recreation, Ok. Tabortine. You know,

780
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:52.119
you go into the town there once
I roast Taverntine or Platte National I think

781
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.639
that's what they call it now.
They renamed it about three times here lately.

782
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:01.719
So, but yeah, the Chicksaw
National Recreation Area, that's and you're

783
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.480
not going to see when you get
on the recreation or you're not going to

784
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.519
see a whole lot of squatch activity. It's just not there anymore. Jim

785
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:14.239
Whitehead, I believe he had went
up and down Sandy a few times and

786
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.760
they got you know, tracks and
whatnot. But you just don't see that

787
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.519
anymore. When the lake is low. My best option if you want to

788
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.159
go find tracks would be the Catfish
Bottoms area. But the lake needs to

789
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:29.079
be low because it's through rocky.
When the lake gets low, at least

790
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:31.920
a silk they'll travel the silk,
clicking the duckweed stuff along the creek.

791
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:37.840
Blank Wow, salt grass where realse
thin fine. I've talked to Jim before.

792
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.800
He's a great guy. He's got
some incredible information from the western part

793
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.119
of the state. Nope, I
haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet.

794
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.199
Just just no, just know where
he's been through, mainly through Charles,

795
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.280
you know, and watching on Facebook
whatnot? You know here and there.

796
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:59.719
Do you know of any Have you
heard of any interactions that have happened from

797
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:07.679
Low Flora County itself? Uh?
Yeah, a couple. Uh they're not

798
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.039
much, just you know, to
come into camp, leave camp. Uh

799
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.719
you know, nothing dangerous or anything
like that. Just just sightings, that's

800
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.400
all it is. That's usually all
you see over there. Uh. There's

801
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.360
a couple of families there, but
I know they won't live, will not

802
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.679
want to be on that, so
I'm not going to mention it. But

803
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.400
yeah, there's a couple of families
in there. Uh, the Indian families.

804
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.000
They don't quite a bit of ground
back in there. And I think

805
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:36.119
the last fifteen years they quit leasing
it out to all of your hunters too.

806
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.679
So that's a big deal not to
do that because that's a lot of

807
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:45.159
money that gets brought in. Well, I think the tribes supplementing them.

808
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:50.280
So oh sure, then that's out
of my knowledge. Yeah yeah, well

809
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.119
that's just just coming down the grape
vines from them. You know, I

810
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:59.119
got you so it's it's been deemed
to protected area. Why Indians don't want

811
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.199
to destroy them? You know,
why why do they not want to destroy

812
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:07.519
them? You think it's part of
their history and culture, my friend,

813
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.519
Yeah, definitely, It's one of
the few things that they can still grasp

814
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:15.280
onto. Why do you think everything
else has been watched out for him?

815
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:22.920
Why do you think Oklahoma has so
many accounts of aggressive Sasquatch? It just

816
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:30.840
seems like it is the epicenter of
all that is aggressive in the Bigfoot world.

817
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:37.920
Well, you have to look at
the biodiversity and we shoot twenty years

818
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:43.199
ago. Man, places that I
used to hunt and fish are now houses.

819
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.239
It's it's the grounds getting smaller and
smaller, so you're having more interactions.

820
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.159
When you have interactions, you shoot
one of the males that don't kill

821
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.599
it. But guess what that male's
gonna tell every one of the clan members

822
00:57:55.639 --> 00:58:04.639
do not hang around people just here, just walk away. And that's how

823
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.559
they survived. I mean, you
know, if you can remember back in

824
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.480
your history days growing up in high
school or you know, they talked about

825
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.320
the evolution and all this and and
uh, you know when cro magnets stepped

826
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.079
onto the scene. You know,
they kind of they they theorized that it

827
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.119
pushed chro magnet. Uh you know, uh, the Neanderthals back into the

828
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:30.920
higher cultivations, uh, into the
more remote areas. Uh. So you

829
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.400
know, it's pretty self explanatory.
You do that for you know, twenty

830
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.920
thousand and thirty thousand years. Uh, you know, but uh, you

831
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.519
know a lot of a lot of
the near tribes say they didn't become aggressive

832
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:46.760
for the most part. I mean, you know, there was some Like

833
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:52.559
everybody, there's different tribes and different
clans and and uh and now I'm learning

834
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.119
that there's different squatches. Uh.
You know, I only thought there was

835
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.519
two different kinds, the nice kind
and the bad kind. The bad time

836
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.360
was always red in color. I
mean every bad, every every terrible interaction

837
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.960
I've ever had a dangerous squatch red, every last stinking one of them.

838
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.679
Yes, the black ones I've had. I've had some close encounters, but

839
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:20.159
they always letting the walk away.
They never pursued it. Once I turned

840
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.440
and turned my back to them,
they let it be. Did you ever

841
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:30.920
hear of any that were four toad
All right, Well, we shot a

842
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:36.519
three toad one. They had three
toes and three fingers on. That's that's

843
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.519
that's the only different one that I
ever seen. But it was also red

844
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:44.960
and gray. Uh. Its eyes
were much bigger. Uh. It didn't

845
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:50.480
have coloration in the eyes. It
was almost a solid black, very little

846
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:55.559
white around the eyes. Um.
They did not have the like the mustache

847
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.519
like that, like the the my
squatches. Goot, I call them wood

848
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.199
apes. I don't call them squashes. They're wood apes. So that's very

849
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.679
interesting. They act, they act
like a damn ape. They are an

850
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.519
eight, but yet they're not.
I mean, for one minute, they

851
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.159
could be an ape. In the
next minute, they could be a man.

852
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.199
I mean, you know what I'm
saying. In the way they they

853
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:15.960
they act, if that makes sense. Not in the way they look,

854
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:21.559
but the way they act. That's
really because earlier you were like, it

855
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.880
looks like in the end they're tall. But you're saying there's some very intense

856
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:29.159
ape behavior that is also happening as
well. Yes, very very intense.

857
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:35.440
Uh. It's it's almost textbook chimp
slash guerrilla. Uh. Like a lot

858
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:38.480
like a lot of times when the
chimpan sees uh, they get excited,

859
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.800
you know, they do that real
They and the squatches do that too.

860
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.719
But it doesn't mean that they're always
going on a hunt. Just means that

861
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:53.079
they're excited or uh, that's that's
kind of a old man. That's not

862
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.679
good. It's you know, kind
of an alert, I need to get

863
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.760
out of here type of thing,
you know, and it's letting the other

864
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:04.800
uh squatches around. No. But
but the way they set up here in

865
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.199
the arbuckles is not like how they
set up back home. Back home,

866
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:14.599
they set up sentinels. Uh,
and you didn't get with If the sentinels

867
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.400
were out and you got within the
sentinels, the sentinels pushed you back.

868
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.760
You just you know, they would
they would they would make it known that

869
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.559
you wasn't supposed to be there.
They would either escort you out or they

870
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:25.840
throw stuff at you, you know, and to get you turn around,

871
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.280
make noises, uh, you know, different stuff like that. Uh,

872
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.920
these here they don't do that.
I once it his daylight do they get

873
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.400
back off in the mountains and they're
they're not going to be out and about.

874
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.920
They're not going to set up on
top of the cliffs and stuff to

875
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:44.199
be looking at. It's just too
bald and open. And I think that's

876
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:50.840
the main reason they don't. But
the Arbuckles have a monster cave system underneath

877
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:59.000
the massive massive Do you think they
utilize that? Oh, definitely, definitely

878
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.159
did back home. I don't know
why they don't here. I mean I've

879
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:07.360
not I've not run across the I
haven't run across the I know where the

880
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.679
caves at. I just can't get
to it. We'll put it that way.

881
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.960
They just don't let you get nowhere
near it. I mean, it's

882
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:20.079
just they just won't. How did
they stop they're listening to it? Oh,

883
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.159
they come out to see it.
They make it known. This particular

884
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:27.199
place. Yeah, this place is
the same place that the owner won't come

885
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.840
within a mile and a half of
this particular mountain he owns probably hmm.

886
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:37.400
I think he said seven and a
half square miles in there. So he's

887
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:44.400
got a pretty good junk of land, and so the mountains that mountain is.

888
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.920
I can hunt the bottom of it, but I ever get close to

889
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:55.239
the to the base of it.
I get escorted out every time. And

890
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.360
if you have a long rifle with
it, yeah, you're going that's asking

891
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.800
for trouble with these guys. They're
gonna they pick up bigger rocks instead of

892
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.079
throwing stuff to side, you know, hickory nut size, and they pick

893
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.360
up stuff to size baseballs up the
basketballs and jump at you. And when

894
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:15.400
you have a rifle, they absolutely
don't like them. And I tell everybody

895
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.039
when we go in there, don't
carry it along a long weapon. You

896
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.519
know, put on your side four
puty four forty four magnum you know,

897
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.119
Uh, don't you put a haul
of paint thing because they ain't gonna penetrate.

898
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:31.320
Uh. You know, Well,
when you've been out there with the

899
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:36.719
big big Foot the squatches, have
you ever heard anything that did not make

900
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:43.079
sense? Why am I hearing this
in this situation right now? Any speech?

901
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:47.199
I don't or just any and I've
never well let me let me get

902
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:54.719
into this. I've never seen a
UFO. I've never seen orbs around them.

903
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:00.559
Uh never never. Now, I
have seen orbs like you follow.

904
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.000
One night we was catfishing and it
was, oh, I don't it was.

905
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.480
It was big, It was kind
of orange color, and it shot

906
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.679
across the sky and it turned real
like it wasn't a plane. You know,

907
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.599
it was huge, but it did
nothing ever occurred. But when it

908
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.840
flew across the water, it moved
the water. That's what we couldn't get

909
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.719
because it pushed the water, you
know, it put us a ripple across

910
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:23.280
the water out in front of it
and then behind it, and it was

911
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:28.039
one hundred foot in the air.
Better and then I've seen I've seen little

912
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.960
orbs dancing around, uh down like
in the swampy areas, you know.

913
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:34.880
Uh, but in swamp gas.
I've seen swamp gas light up at night,

914
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:39.079
and that's pretty neat. Uh,
it's kind of creepy. Uh,

915
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:42.199
It's like, WHOA, what's going
on? But that's all it is.

916
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:44.639
I wanted to get towards it and
smell it, you know what it is.

917
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.639
But yeah, I've never I've never
seen the orbs and stuff. I

918
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.159
mean, they don't disappear like everybody
says. There. I'm telling you,

919
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:57.679
they're ninjas. They're ninjas. They're
they're not spirits. Trust me. If

920
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:01.079
it bleeds, it dies, spirits
don't leed, skirts don't back. I

921
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.519
got it. Have you ever heard
now there might be other stuff out there

922
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.119
in the woods? Go ahead?
Have you ever heard of baby's cry when

923
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:15.320
you've been out? Yes, I
have had the baby sit this place here,

924
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.519
uh, the place that we've been
talking about up here where I'm at

925
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:23.679
now, north of me. I've
been asked or not asked. And she

926
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.559
just tossed it up there in the
tent and looked at me and shook his

927
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.920
finger up it, which I kind
of figured up me and not to get

928
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.440
out, you know. And it
looked at me and it shook a finger

929
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.199
and kind of you know, not
let it out, you know, And

930
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:40.119
they went. They ended up coming
back with a couple of hogs. He

931
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.920
didn't take them along, maybe forty
five minutes because they were sitting in camp.

932
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:47.840
They heard the hogs scream done on
the river. One of them and

933
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:53.039
four or five of them started discussing
something amongst themselves, and she got up,

934
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.559
brought the kid over there and dropped
it in the tent. And you

935
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.719
can smell my tenth right now.
It still smells like it. I can't

936
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:02.320
wash it and get the smell out
for some reason. H so so,

937
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:08.239
but it's that they're a baby.
Yes, when I say baby, I

938
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:12.360
mean like free foot tall, able
to walk, able to hop, but

939
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.280
you know it's still pretty weak acute
button. I mean, uh, their

940
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.719
fingernails are white when they're small,
their fingertips are you know, their their

941
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:25.679
palm is Caucasian looking, you know, their hairs or their skins Caucasian,

942
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.920
and it darkens up as they get
older, it gets a more melanistic color

943
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.400
to it. What does their teeth
look like? Just flatten flatten white.

944
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.159
Uh. They actually choose several different
routes to clean them, believe it or

945
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.400
not. Just like they're just like
ours, but much much wider and much

946
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.599
broader, much more robust built.
Have you ever been to a place called

947
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:58.159
Purgatory? Nop Okay, don't don't
know where that's at. Okay, now,

948
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.119
Purgatory like like Way West. I
think we. I think we drove

949
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.440
through it one time. But as
far as getting out and stopping, nah,

950
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:11.199
I've just I've just heard of it
in different interviews mentioned and I know

951
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.039
it's related to Coon Bow Baker,
but I don't know much about it.

952
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.880
So I was just curious about it. No, I hadn't heard about that

953
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:23.760
place, Like I said, Booger
Bottoms, Peacock Hollar, and that's going

954
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:29.000
to be a local name. And
then Sickamore Hollow on the river down here,

955
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.079
that's that's a that's a's got a
lot of zinc minds up there on

956
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:38.800
that face cliff and lots of reports
used to be lots of reports from that

957
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.119
area, but the people have since
moved away and there's it's all all the

958
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.760
houses up and there are abandoned now
and there's like four homes. Do you

959
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.679
think the squad you're still there?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure

960
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:55.400
they are. Well. Usually when
they pick a spot, they don't go

961
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:58.800
nowhere. I don't know where everybody
gets these migration deals and maybe the ones

962
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.119
that wants to do and they're there
now, they may be bounce around four

963
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.239
or five, eight, ten miles, you know, to where the food's

964
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:11.119
good. But usually if if it's
like this year, they their part theym

965
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.079
moving. Uh, there's enough stuff
to eat. One time I ever seen

966
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:19.159
him disappear is when it gets like
last year. Uh, they disappeared on

967
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:23.680
me and it just now showed back
up and last four and a half months

968
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:30.079
or so, you couldn't tell you
where they went either. What's how long

969
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:35.359
has it been since you you've seen
a big foot? Um? See when

970
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:45.479
it was Turkey season April April?
Yeah, yeah, it's it's stepped out

971
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.920
in the pipeline. Uh. And
when when it saw the him decoy up

972
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:53.680
there, it looked, you know, and look and saw me and turned

973
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.640
and went right back in. Uh
and this is I this is one of

974
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.600
the places that they know me there. So it wasn't a freak at he

975
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.039
was just looking for a meal.
But I've kind of, oh, well,

976
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.880
I had to shoot at one of
the males over here, and so

977
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.560
they've kind of they kind of stopped
coming straight up to me and hanging out

978
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.319
like they used to box now kind
of dangerous. I wouldn't hurt him to

979
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.039
say so, I just shot over
said so you leave me alone. That's

980
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:21.520
the only reason I've done it.
And they've ran moused you for about a

981
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:26.000
month. And he started popping back
in, you know, and I tossed

982
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.399
this over the deal only dish.
But it wasn't like it was I mean,

983
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:30.520
but yeah, as far as getting
in there and seeing them on the

984
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.560
river there, it's not too big
a problem. You know. The neighbors

985
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:41.600
all know about him over there,
most of them, most of them won't

986
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.600
even go on the river. You
know. I'm so thankful for your time.

987
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:50.039
It's been over an hour. This
has been amazing. Well and with

988
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:56.439
this, like what are the questions
that people like me are not asking that

989
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:03.399
we should be asking about these um, well, manly, why do you

990
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.279
all want to get so close to
them? That's what I want to know.

991
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:12.199
Uh. I understand the uh infatuation
with them, but they're a highly

992
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:15.960
dangerous animal. Uh if you're if
you're not well aware of their body language.

993
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:20.520
Uh and the postures. Uh.
You guys have got all the calls,

994
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:25.399
well almost all wrong. Uh.
And for what they stand for?

995
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.479
Um the ohio, how is a
location called between a marriage? What what

996
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.600
what we would call me and you
a married couple? Or you know that's

997
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.760
from his from him to her?
That's what that is. And that's uh

998
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:44.399
every night before darkness. She should
give that off because the males do not

999
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.720
stay with um the clan. Most
of the time, they're around very close,

1000
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:51.319
but the usually don't stay with them
because they're kind of dangerous. They're

1001
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:58.600
pricks. But what you get a
family clan, uh, you know where

1002
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.399
it's several of them and they all
work together. It's a totally different atmosphere.

1003
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:05.520
Uh. There'll be one or two
that make all the decisions and everybody

1004
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:09.239
else they'll they might not like it, but they'll go along with it.

1005
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:15.319
If you have a problem with one
of them, of the clan and you

1006
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.239
ever get alone with him, uh, he's probably gonna kill you. That's

1007
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:27.039
just that's just the way they are. They're very act like a little sport

1008
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.439
rocking kids what they act like.
If they don't get the way, they

1009
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.479
get mad, and it could be
days, two days, three days,

1010
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.680
four days, five days before they
get unmad. And sometimes they just don't

1011
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:41.439
ever get mad at you. They
just they don't like it. And that's

1012
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:45.800
where you see all this stuff going
on. But a lot of us trying

1013
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.840
to communicate to you, uh you
know, because they just soon work with

1014
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:54.319
you then against you for sure.
But you know, if they can't trust

1015
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:59.680
you, they won't have nothing to
do with you. They're they're they're very

1016
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.399
weird like that, very selective who
they who they hang out with. I

1017
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:10.359
mean, I took a man in
a couple out of Florida over to this

1018
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:15.720
place that the Dangerous Squatches, and
within three hours after dark, they were

1019
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:20.680
already gone. And I was talking
about the Squatches, I'm talking about the

1020
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:25.920
other two people. They literally left
in a full They all still got their

1021
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:28.319
gear. They won't even talk to
me on Facebook or nothing. Now.

1022
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.800
I tried to send them there.
Uh well, she got hit with a

1023
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:38.640
stick across the back. It was
about three inches in diameter, knocked her

1024
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.520
on the ground. Uh. And
I told him, you know, once

1025
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.039
you get dark, put your helmets
on. And he didn't put a helmet

1026
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:47.359
on, didn't even bring one,
and they, I mean, they just

1027
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:51.680
rained down on us, which is
that's just where they are. I'll sit

1028
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:56.640
there in it, you know,
just just pad up and just just sit

1029
01:12:56.680 --> 01:12:59.199
there and let them let them take
it, you know, because they'll they'll

1030
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.560
eventually get of it. And that's
when they'll come into camps and start,

1031
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:04.600
Uh you know, why aren't you
leaving? You know, they get a

1032
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:10.039
little more bold, but they won't
just fair up and smack you in the

1033
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.479
head for no apparent reason. Uh. You know, he's not going to

1034
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:17.439
kill you because you come into his
territory. You know, he's just not

1035
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.760
He's gonna try to push you out, and you just throw eighteen twelve,

1036
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.399
thirteen, fourteen times that you're just
not gonna push that. He'll try to

1037
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.800
make friends with you if you're not
taking from his belly. Wow, that's

1038
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.119
fascinating. When you go to when
you go to take it from their food,

1039
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:39.359
that's when they get mad at you
country. The thing that's just weird

1040
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:44.560
is that other people have said that
that whole leave half of what you what

1041
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.840
you get, that's that's the thing
that comes that comes from back in the

1042
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:51.039
old days, from back when we
used to work hand in hand together with

1043
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:58.319
them. You know, that's that's
how you live side beside with them.

1044
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.199
You left, you left half.
You know, shows hey, I know

1045
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:05.520
you're here. You know, because
we're much better hunters than they are by

1046
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:11.039
far. They're just better woodsman than
we are. It's because if you'll set

1047
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.159
a man, if you'll set a
man in the woods for a year,

1048
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.560
I guarantee you he'll be a different
person. And if you get a man

1049
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:19.680
that knows how to hunt and fish
and he has a squat sighting, you

1050
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.000
turn that man into you can you
can put him up against it, and

1051
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.479
if you can hold his gumption to
it, and I should say you can

1052
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.199
put him up to against any man
that the military ever trained, I guarantee

1053
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:36.920
you as far as brass, you
know, having the gumption well, because

1054
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:42.359
these things can have a psychological effect
on you if you let them. I

1055
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:47.359
mean I picked that up the way
I look the way I look at it.

1056
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:50.000
If you if you can't build a
car, you ain't top dog.

1057
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.640
You know what I'm saying. If
you can't make a projectile come out of

1058
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:55.920
a bullet, you know, I
have a gun. You know, a

1059
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.279
top dog. But until you level
the play in the field, and then

1060
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:03.560
who's top dog? Yeah, that's
the thing we've we've lost. We've lost

1061
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:10.000
that that that old way to us, you know, we we've become very

1062
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:15.479
uh uh easy going. I guess
you would say it lazy. I agree

1063
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:21.119
with that country. Before we we
finish up, do you have any any

1064
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:28.800
final last words or uh? Uh? Yeah, when you go when you

1065
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:30.680
guys go to wood, knock and
don't knock the fire out of the tree,

1066
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:34.000
because that's a sign of aggression.
Uh, that's why you have all

1067
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:39.399
the That's why they come into you
immediately. I know that's what you want.

1068
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:43.800
Um start off with a with a
single light, would not because when

1069
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:45.399
you go to pounding on that wood
and like a lot of these guys are

1070
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.319
doing, uh, you're you're gonna
you're one of these times you're going to

1071
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:53.520
run across the wrong squatch and and
he's going to be looking for a female

1072
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.640
or a clan to join, and
well that's a sign of aggression. Uh,

1073
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:01.479
so don't do that, don't don't
make don't hit it as hard as

1074
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:05.439
you can. I mean, just
just light knocks fair enough. Three three

1075
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:10.680
three is Uh, you're in trouble. That's what they're there. Their deal

1076
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.760
is if they scream, you're screwed. After the three knocks go and they

1077
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:18.800
go to screaming at you or wailing, like if you hurt one, yeah,

1078
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:24.319
you're probably not going to get out
alive if you're not used to it.

1079
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:27.640
I mean they're they're very, very
very fast, and it dark.

1080
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.079
You can't hard to see them when
they're moving. I mean, they're that

1081
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:35.600
fast. You might catch the eye
eye glow, you know, occasionally if

1082
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.560
they look at you, But other
than that, you're just gonna catch a

1083
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:44.880
little fleeting shadow, you know,
with the with the light in ninety nine

1084
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.640
times at one hundred. I mean
that's there. They're very sneaky. That's

1085
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:55.079
incredible. Thank you so much,
Country, This has been an incredible chat.

1086
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.800
I really appreciate it. You bet
you're a big For society, ARC

1087
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.920
is to provide a platform for those
that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter

1088
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:10.479
in a safe and respected environment.
But we need to hear your story.

1089
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:15.159
If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an email

1090
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:21.119
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

1091
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:27.079
And I know a lot of you
have not shared your encounter at all.

1092
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:31.840
It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest and

1093
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:34.880
then you can get some well deserved
for rest, because I know you haven't

1094
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:40.920
been sleeping. I understand what you're
going through, and I appreciate every one

1095
01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:41.600
of you listening