Digging Into Washington Bigfoot FOIAs Reveals Disturbing Links to a U.S. President

0:00 You're listening to Big Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right. Big for Society got the privilege of having Eric Pealacios back on the show. We have talked before, but I am really excited to have him on to talk about this today, Bigfoot, The Redacted Truth. Eric finally has his book out where he's got some absolute bombshells of foyer requested information that he has now in the public sphere. And welcome to the show.

1:03 Eric. How are you doing man, Hey. Jeremia, I'm doing good. Thanks for having me back again. It's been a while. Absolutely, man, you have been busy. I got this book off Amazon and I was like, yeah, maybe there'll be like one or two new things, and I was like, whoa, there's a lot of new things. There's some really really really big things that are in this book that honestly should be in the newspaper. They should be in some newspaper, and I'm pretty sure they're only in this book. So man, And maybe we'll get into that later on the interview. But I mean, if you're into Bigfoot in like and weird stuff about Bigfoot and like, oh, there's probably stuff going on behind the scenes, get the book, guys. I'm gonna have this the link in the show notes for this.

1:51 But Eric, what have you been up to since we last talked. I've been too a lot. There's been a lot of stuff going on with me. I've been doing Foyer requests all over the country and I've had some really incredible results. If you've seen my channel, Jeremiah, I've kind of talked to you on the side about some things I found just kind of keeping you in the loop and stuff like that, but really some incredible stuff that I honestly didn't know what to do with. I never really intended on writing a book. I had everything on my YouTube channel and like my Patreon, and I really thought that was going to be it. I didn't think it was going to be any further than that. But I kept getting these four year requests results back in one thing after another. I was like, this is just, you know, people need to know about this stuff. I mean, some of these reports actually have Bigfoot in the name. Some of these police reports, some of these federal reports that were going to go over they actually specifically say Bigfoot Sasquatch.

2:53 I mean, there's even mentions in the early or the late sixties, early seventies of a possibly allegedly seemed like a government funded hunt for Bigfoot. And I wouldn't have believed it unless I found the documents to prove it. And it's really just one of the main things that kind of steered me to writing the book. I had a bunch of police reports and emails. The book also has some internal emails that were really never meant to see the light of day, pertanning to Bigfoot, and I'm talking about emails from park rangers, park managers, county clerks, and this stuff really was just kind of conversations they were having privately, never thinking it was going to be released to the public. So all that stuff. I really felt like the public kind of needed to see this, and that's where the inspiration for the book came from.

3:51 And it did take me a little while to get this out because every time I thought I was finished, I would get another report of something and that I'd be like, oh, man, I can't leave this out. I got to figure out a way to put this in there. So trying to get it out by this past summer, but got delayed and end up coming around. I put it out in the fall, the end of September, and and yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm really glad that you got a copy. I was gonna send you one, I haven't had the chance to yet, but I'm glad you picked it up. And I really appreciate your your perspective on you know, the book and everything like that. And I've also received reports since the books come out, so I might have to do some type of follow a book or like a part two, just because I've, like I said, you never know when you're gonna get stuff back from these four year requests, and I've been getting stuff back right after the book was published. I got like two things right back, so I might have to do another one.

4:44 Oh, I would definitely say. So, do you have a a report that is in this book that is just like, is there a number one favorite that you and you're like, oh, my goodness, it's just I still can't believe that that that is in there or do they all equally just just blow your mind. I do have one that's my favorite. It's my absolute. I think I've entitled the chapter in my book the Greatest Bigfoot Sighting of all Time just because of the amount of documentation there was, the people that were involved with this. So basically what happened was this is a I did a four year request to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs, seeing if they had any type of you know, bigfoot sas much information cryptid information, and surprisingly they told me they had over like three thousand bigfoot documents. They only released one thing to me, and that one that one thing was it's mind blowing. And that one thing is mind blowing.

5:50 I'm just kind of wondering, what's the other stuff about, you know, But this one thing, I'll read you a little bit of this yere in a second. But this one thing happened in nineteen seventy eight. It was in the Mescalaro Apache Reservation in New Mexico. In pretty much what happened was the woman was out there with her child at the time, and they're just walking around their property. They hear something and they approach this water tank and from behind this water tank they have comes out a bigfoot. And I mean the actual folder. I have the folder here. It actually says it's labeled animal or Bigfoot Incident Report.

6:33 This is a federal document. It says animal or bigfoot. That's how I think they took it seriously because the amount of agents that were involved. They were at least four agencies involved. We know this from the incident report. And if I could, can I go ahead and read you this little piece. So this is in the book, and this is really what triggered the entire incident. So it says June twenty fifth, nineteen, a Sunday, and it says redacted called and requested an officer. Redacted said she advised that she had seen an animal or bigfoot by her residence. Needs someone to come and check it out.

7:15 This is a federal document from nineteen seventy eight. Never seen the light of day, never would have seen the light of day unless someone hadn't done the Foyer request. And for me, like I said, this is just one piece of documentation. Her account is in here, the federal officers account in here. I believe there's like six pages that are in the book all total. I want to say there were. We never know how many pages they are because I believe at the top it's kind of redacted on how many pages there were. But for me, I think, really this is just the most incredible bigfoot sting of all time because we've got the federal rangers going out there investigating this, taking this incredibly seriously. We've got them, like I said, they're multiple accounts of what they saw, and in the report it's that they were actually they were like one hundred percent sure that it was a bigfoot and not a bear, because they tried to say the federal agents kind of tried to skew it and say that it was like a bear. This is a Native woman that's been out there probably her whole life. I'm sure she's seen a hundred bears come and go. She absolutely knew what she had seen out there that day, and she said it was bigfoot. Not only that, but in the report they also mentioned another signing that took place in the area called head Springs that was just a few days after this incident happened.

8:31 So really, I think that's kind to be my favorite one because again, we hear all these stories about bigfoot or sasquatch surrounding or being around these Native American reservations. You've heard stuff in Oklahoma and stuff like that, but we've really never had any type of solid documentation or data until this report came out. For me, this is this is solid. This is a federal report. It's titled you know, animal or Bigfoot. There's no going around that. It's just it's wild, dude. And the other cool thing I love about your book is you're not just writing about this like you are. You scanned or took pictures of the pages that you got, yes, and you can actually see them for each case, and it is incredible.

9:15 And I know, oh my goodness, there has got to be some some individuals in the government that are just like, oh, oh, guys, went too far this time. Yeah. I've actually had a meeting. I've had a meeting with a couple of agents because it was doing for your request for another area, and they were like, oh, you know whatever, can we have a meeting with you? And so I had a meeting. They called me at like ten o'clock in the morning. I don't I don't think they gave me much notice. I want to say. I got the email the same day and then they called like right away, Like I said, okay, boom. They called right away early in the morning, and we had a meeting and I sent them this. I sent them the Native American Bigfoot file that I received from the Bureau the Indian Affairs. Uh. And after I sent them that, they're like, we'll get back to you.

10:04 Oh. And that was That was pretty much the end of the conversation right there. Well okay, well wait wait, so so where were these did they? Who were these guys associated with? It was the Fish and Wildlife Department. They actually I had a meeting with them because I was trying to get some files from a region that I hadn't before, and they said, hey, can we have a meeting with you. We want to want to know what you're up to, what are you doing? And I'm not sure you know what they were expecting up until I had sent them that document. When they had sent that, they were like, okay, so you're you're serious about this yet. So that was really that was the end of the conversation. After I had sent them that, they're like, okay, we'll get back to you. And yeah, that was.

10:49 Did you ever were you able to have a ever have a face to face with them? Or this was just over the phone or this was just over the phone. Yeah, I don't know if I'd want to have a face to face with And this was weird because I was on a call and I thought it was just going to be me and him, but he also said, oh, we have this person on the line and this person on the line. I was like, oh, he just kind of blindsided me with that. I was just thinking it was going to be because I had a back and forth email a little bit of a dialogue with this one person and then he called me and then there's two other people that are kind of sitting in on the conversation. So whatever that was, I don't know. But they were really surprised when I showed them that Bureau of Indian Affairs document. They were really interested in that. Imagine if you had busted out the whole like, oh, yeah, American Expedition.

11:37 I did not want to go that far. Yeah, because you know, I don't want to give him all the cards, you know. Yeah, that's the big card. That's that's the big barrel. Man. Oh my goodness, this absolutely absolutely wild wild stuff. Can can you tell me that the story about what's the background story about the files with Robert W. Morgan? And and I guess we can say the President Nixon. Yeah, we can say that now that it's out Yeah, it's out there, it's out there. Yeah. I have been incredibly fascinated with Robert Morgan. I've always known his name, but I didn't know how deep he went into the subject.

12:26 And I knew he had made his documentary films and done some research, and I thought that was really the extent of it until I found his proposal for a big foot hunt that took place in nineteen sixty nine that he sent to the White House. And it was really kind of I mean, they were getting approval or help from different Department of Agriculture, they were getting the National Science Foundation, they were like, yeah, send us whatever you got. So if it wasn't directly funded, it was definitely going to be. It was going to be looked at whatever these people brought back from this expedition. Now, not only that, but there were other really big names involved with this. The Sheriff's Camania Sheriff's office was involved, a couple of sheriffs were involved in the expedition. And the proposal that Robert Morgan sent, it's in the book.

13:17 He mentions, Hey, we'll keep this top secret. We have a guy willing to work at Hartwick College in New York. He'll process any specimens we have, any evidence we have, we'll send it to him, and we'll do it quietly. Like it says that. It says that in the document, the weird thing is with Hardwack College, I believe that's the name. It's in New York. Right out in front there's a Gigantopithegis statue in front of that in front of this university. Yeah, so that's kind of like, WHOA, what's going on with that? That's really interesting. But this was way back before that statue ever existed. This is in nineteen sixty nine, and this is all this is kind of taking place. And again, like it's he sends this report of their expedition to President Nixon and other cabinet members were involved, pretty much telling them, yeah, you got to go ahead. There is money mentioned. There is money mentioned in this documents. He's saying, you can pay me what I was making when I was working with the military. This is Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan is such a really kind of shadowy figure in general. I mean, the stuff he's kind of been associated with, the people he's been associated with, really really interesting guy. Even apart from the Bigfoot subject. He's wrote some books about infiltrating the mafia, and I mean, he's just a really really interesting person. I would have I would love to have a conversation with him at some point. And I mean, again, he was front and center kind of taking this whole

14:50 Bigfoot expedition. I want to say he if it wasn't, I would probably say Tom Slick might have been the first, and then shortly after it it was Robert W. But Tom Slick was doing that out of his own pocket, billionaire oil guy. But again, he's had communication with the head the White House and it's it's it's in there, and in the book he has he mentions exactly what they did. They did have some interesting encounters or incidents happened. It's documented, he submits that in the report, and they planned, they planned a follow up. The follow up mission was actually to capture a specimen alive. It says that in there, which is just kind of when you think about it, you're just like they're trying to capture a specimen like in the early nineteen seventies. Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't believe it unless there was kind of documentation showing it.

15:43 But it's it's so incredible just just to look. I mean, there's I mean, it's it's there's at least one page on here where it says the White House, Washington. It's like white House, Uh yeah, would you call it letterhead? I don't know, it's like. I think probably the most interesting document from that is that it's titled Abominable Snowman. It says whoever wherever like legislation, whoever needs the legislation for this, or something to that effect. So it kind of sounds like they were almost ready to construct some type of legislation if and when Robert Morgan would have been successful. The other interesting thing that you pointed out in here is that so the pages you have scanned in where it's it's Morgan's letters to pretty much to Hickelet. Long story short is that they have stamps on them, which the official White House routing stamps, which pretty much proved that they were They actually like got there to the differences along the ways and people did see them, which is just mind blowing.

16:51 Absolutely at the top it'll say like date received, date read like those two stamps right there. Uh, and it's it was taken seriously. We have to say it was taken seriously. There were responses from National Park Service saying, hey, why don't you come to the Gifford Pitchett National Forest. You guys will have Part Blanche out here. You can do whatever you want. And they went out there and again there every every piece, every piece of their expedition is documented in Robert Morgan's report. And some of those people went out to do some really incredible things. Bob Carr, the anthropologist that I've actually spoken to. Uh, when I found his name attached to this, to this report, this Robert Morgan's report, I thought it was so interesting and I reached out to him, and to me, it almost felt like some of these people were put in the dark.

17:43 Some of the people that were on this expedition, they knew what they were doing, but they didn't know, you know, who was behind it. Or they absolutely had no idea that Robert Morgan was in communication with the White House. I had sent mister Carr those letters and he's like, whoa this is? I didn't know this this exists? No way. Wow. So you you got on the phone with him? Absolutely yeah, oh. Man, Yeah, that that is. That is absolutely wild. And and I will also say, Robert W. Morgan is is I would I would have to say if I was to pick like my at least definitely on on my Mount Rushmore of Bigfoot researchers, He's on there. And I would say if people have never read, or if listeners have never read The Bigfoot Observers Field Manual by Robert W. Morgan, it is worth picking up. You will learn more from this one little book than anything else when it comes to researching Bigfoot and how to figure out your area to check out. And it's so good, it's so good.

18:47 Robert W. Morgan is such a such a good individual. Imagine where that could have gone. I mean, if it an alternate universe, right Nixon could have been the President Nixon in the Bigfoot. They could have brought the Bigfoot back to the White House like a Lewis and Clark expedition. They were prepared for it. I mean, they had people at universities kind of standing by for when they did bring something back. And again, it was an expedition to capture something. It says it in the report, like our goals to capture whatever, and we're gonna make laws. We're gonna designate, you know, once we once everything's finished scientifically, we're gonna re release it back into the wild. All this is in the report. It's just mind blowing, like they had everything kind of ready for this to happen.

19:34 The reason he was writing certain people is because he wanted the legislation passed immediately. When they found something, they wanted it passed right away, just to protect the habitat, protect these beings, and that we have areas where legislation has passed where they now are sanctuaries for bigfoot sasquatch. And some people might look at that as kind of a jokey thing. Robert Morgan was absolutely serious when he was looking for that, saying, hey, we need to designate this place a you know, safe spice for sasquatch or bigfoot, and other areas have followed that. I don't know unknowingly or knowingly, but there are places like that. Yeah, there's there's multiple, multiple places I'm thinking of in Washington where I mean, if you if you shoot, uh, you do not want to do that, You're gonna get heavily fined. I think Scamania County is actually one of those places. And uh, there's, uh, I know of at least one school where Cliff talked about this on his podcast, where the school project for the year is to get to contact different legislators in different counties in Washington and too to get them to see if they can pass a law or an ordinance like that not to hurt Bigfoot.

20:49 If you hurt bigfoot, like there'll be consequences. So pretty cool stuff, Mike. So the question though, is how did you know to start digging under the for this. Did you hear something or was this just like, Hey, I wonder if President Nixon ever had anything to do with with bigfooter, Like, how did you get down this rabbit hole? Yeah, it wasn't really like that at all. I was just kind of doing foyer request for names that I knew they were in the field. To backtrack a little bit, so it sounded like you were just randomly picking out names of people associated with Bigfoot over the years. So that's probably then you just did a foyer for Robert W. Morgan and stumbled upon it.

21:30 So that one was actually I didn't have to do a foyer for that. That was actually buried in an archive that I don't think anyone had ever seen before. This was like deep inter national archive that you had to like pay the access to get. So I did that, got access to it, and found this buried in a bunch of just stuff where it you would never have been able to find it where you were looking, And I'm like, what the heck is this doing here? But I was doing a search for Robert Morgan and that's really how it popped up, and it just went from there, and there were a lot of Robert Morgan's that I had to kind of comb through. But when I found that, I was like, holy crap, this is this and I dug through it and it was just kind of mind blowing when I found it.

22:16 So and you'll have to excuse I don't know a lot about it. So national archive, So is this an electronic search that you're doing or you're actually going somewhere. This was an electronic search that was through a university. This university had this, I believe it's I know, it's like a paid service that you have to go through or whatever, and it's a national thing. But I think it's hosted by this university. So it's not officially like National Archive, but it's a national document from you know, they might have got a copy of it years ago and just kind of stashed it never see never, it's never intending for it to be public.

22:58 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Wow, that's crazy. It was there. It was just there the whole time, like. It was there the whole time. It was there the whole time. Yeah. It makes you wonder what other stuff is just there and you never know unless you just happen to search for the right keyword. Yeah, exactly. That's the only that's the only thing from my book that I found in an archive, which it's I've done so much digging in the archives. I found some really interesting stuff that I thought about putting in the book, and I wasn't sure, Like I have a it's like a card from the Bureau of the Indian Affairs.

23:39 This was this wasn't an archive, it wasn't a four year request. But in there it says that it's from like the thirties. It says a bigfoot stole a horse and they had chased this bigfoot to try to find these horses. Whether or not that's like a I don't think that was a Bigfoot tribe or anything like that, but it says that like a bigfoot stole a horse. They said they went after it and stuff like that. But I didn't really find much other in the National Archives other than that. Then a couple of things, and I think a lot of people have seen, like the FBI stuff, the hair sample stuff that was taken. I think a lot of people are kind of familiar with that. Stuff that happened peter Burn one Peter Burn, Yeah, yep. So apart from that's really the only other thing I had seen in the archives that had kind of been released.

24:25 And honestly, that made things a little bit harder because every time I tried searching that kept popping up, that Peter Burn thing kept popping up. So that makes it even more wild because well, in a way, there's a paper trail, but there's not a really obvious paper trail that hey, this guy found the Robert W. Morgan asking President Nixon and etc. About the Yetti expedition. I mean, now that is in a book, like it's out there, and I think as as hopefully, you know, you get on more and more or more and more people listen to this and they realized, hey, this is man, this is a it's a really big deal.

25:09 Like I don't I hope people realize how big a deal those documents are. That's they're huge. And we know, like this is the documents that were made public. We know there's stuff that was not made public, and I've looked for it because in that bundle there there was a letter that Robin Morgan sent to the National Science Foundations. Basically they were basically saying, hey, we're cool, you can send us anything you want. We got a heads up from Nixon's crew you're going to be doing this, and we want to we want to be kept informed about it. This is them call, you know, going back and forth. And so I reached out to them, the National Science Foundation. I'm like, hey, you guys had a dialogue between Robert Morgan. There were multiple letters sent. I only have one. Can I have the rest of them? It's a four year okay, so you're a government organ as or organization, you got to give it to me. And they're like, we don't know what you're talking about out nothing. And so I sent them the letter and they were like, we can't find anything.

26:05 We don't have any record of that. And I'm like, you don't have any record of it. It's your your your letter had everything like this is your document from your you know, organization they had. They didn't even have that stuff. Oh, they didn't even have the stuff you had. They didn't know they didn't even have it. Oh man, ooh that's wild. That is something. And I hope that was news to them, that that whole thing was news to them. When they saw them. They're like, oh okay, they're like, yeah, we we don't know. My goodness. Has there been a time where. You have. I guess where you've either submitted something or received something and and it got you really nervous and you're like, there's probably gonna be consequences now that I have this information, Like there's gonna be kickback front, or there's gonna be pushed back from some something.

27:00 Yeah, I think there's a couple, a couple that kind of put me in that whole thing, a recent one that it wasn't in the book, but maybe we can talk about it the end because that one is still kind of an ongoing thing. But yeah, but you know, there has been a few where it kind of scares me, the ones that's the stuff that's in Texas, because I'm I'm here in Texas and that's kind of not, you know, too far to reach for some people. For me, the most interesting stuff, it's it's one of the more interesting cases. I call it in the book. It's called like the Bigfoot sighting spree because in twenty nineteen in Santa Fe, Texas, which is on East Texas, there was a just a huge number of nine to one one calls made people on social media all saying that there was this wild ape on the loose and it was it kind of just blew up and it was nothing had really been shown as far as like did this happen? We don't know.

28:03 It was all just kind of hearsay. So when I heard about it, did the foyer request and the stuff I got back. I have the reports from all these you know, from the sightings that happened. I really wish I would have been able to get the nine to one one phone calls. I tried to get the nine to one one phone calls, but after I think it was ninety days, they destroyed them, which I mean, it's just terrible because we're losing so much information just hearing what these people are describing. People had visuals of this thing. A woman said it was digging through her trash cans that had long arms. It was during like a thunderstorm. She got a good look at it. She was one of the first people to call, and I have that call in the book. All the reports are amazing. They had a drone in the air, they had dogs out and they can't They never found anything. They have no idea what this thing was. The sheriff had to put out a thing saying, if you see a chimpanzee on the loose, don't approach it. They had people from out of state coming in. It was a big, big deal.

29:00 But I think the most interesting part about this is that everyone was reporting, but it was a wild ape that it was attacking people, and I was kind of like, I didn't see that in any of the reports. None of the reports mentioned attacking aggressive, none of that stuff until I got the email. I got an internal email from a county clerk there where she was kind of talking to a friend that didn't work for the county, and she says, there's a five foot ape on the loose attacking people in Santa Fe. She never thought that was going to be released, but that's kind of confirmation from a source there. And I mean, I tried looking for what she was talking about, but it was never mentioned. So and I'm kind of thinking, like, were those reports, like were they just omitting that stuff? Why didn't they include that? Were they trying to keep people from like hysteria or something? What was going on here? There was a lot of questions I had about that because they really didn't want to give me that stuff. At first.

29:55 It was kind of a battle. I had to send like three or four emails. One of these got kicked up the Attorney General of Texas and it got denied. That got denied, and they didn't want to give me any more information after that. So all I have is this one email, And to me, it's just it's really mind blowing and I've talked about this before and people have reached out to me from Santa Fe And that's just really wild to me because I've heard at least three different explanations to what this thing was. Someone told me that it was like a hat. Someone had it like a chicken farm. I couldn't really find any information on that. Someone else told me that it was a mother and like a young one. Because people had been well at least the police were trying to make it sound like it was smaller than it was. Some people were saying it was a capuchin monkey, I'll say some people the authorities were saying it was a capuchin monkey.

30:48 Everybody they got eyes on this thing. We're saying it was an ape. And when you say ape, I think you know, you're thinking something big, chimpanzee, you know whatever. And it even says that in the in the documentation, it goes from the first report is a suspicious animal and that it evolves into a suspicious person. So that goes to show you something a little bit bigger out there. They're talking about hearing ape howls. They're talking about hearing, you know, howling things like an ape would do. And one of the most intriguing people to come forward and talk to me from that area. That was a man and he told me this, and I can only kind of go on his word, but he had said that it was his son and a friend that had gone out dove hunting and they had seen this ape in a tree. They saw it and they shot at it, and it jumped out of the tree and scratched one of the kids in the faces. And that is where the aggressive ape came from. That's what he told me.

31:49 That's where the whole attacking child or whatever, that's where it came from. These guys out there dove hunting, they found this thing, And to be honest with you, he had a lot of knowledge about some of this area. I mean, maybe that's just because he lived there, or it sounded like he had a lot of nols from the police reports. This is before I made a public and published the book, So it was interesting. A lot of people were seeing this, the news reports. The news had been out there on location. While they're out there talking about this, a truck drives by and goes, hey, we just saw it over there. Like they're just saying that, like there's there's a news clip it's out there. It's on my channel too. I did a whole little video about it. But to me, this is one of the more interesting reports because recently we had these monkeys that has that that truck that flipped over, some monkeys escaped.

32:36 We heard about this. Everyone knows this, and we know what type of monkeys they were, we know how many there were, we know what happened to them. Why don't we have that sort of documentation for this type of incident. We don't have anything. We don't know where this thing came from, what it was, where it went. They just just like vanished and it went from like a national thing to where the sheriff had to get involved to just quiet after that radio silence. It's incredible. You are still one hundred percent focusing on bigfootfolios. Correct, I'm focusing on big foot stuff, but I received some other documents from other areas that of kind of the same subject, cryptid and stuff like that, But I'm generally focusing on bigfoot sasquatch stuff.

33:23 Yeah, there was, and I don't know if this was just on TikTok, but it was on YouTube as well. Actually, Okay, And I'm just curious if you have any thoughts about it. Have you heard the nine one one call for North Carolina with the it's like something that jumps into the ice truck. I did hear this, and I called them to see if I coul get a copy of that, and they told me that there were like sixty people wanting that also, so I would have to wait in line. I was like, Oh, that's cool, they'll put it out when they get it. So yeah, they were multiple people working trying to get more stuff from that. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so that should be coming out soon, if not very soon, because that wasn't that long ago. It was a couple of months back. Yeah.

34:08 Oh, you're saying like the whole call. Yeah, there apparently there are people. There's at least, as she said, there were like sixty people that had submitted records request to get all that information. So we'll be seeing that soon, I'm sure. I was thinking about, you know, think other other things you've done in the past, and I think one of one of the other fascinating ones is it was it it was a park ranger and you couldn't get the information because there was a hippa issue, right, like he got hurt or something in some way. Well, we don't really know about that. I mean, that's probably one of the most interesting reports I've ever received.

34:51 It is from the National Park Service and it's the only bigfoot sighting ever released bigfoot sighting report ever released by the National Parks and it clearly states in there, hey group of people who are out here they saw bigfoot or they said they saw bigfoot and a bunch of bone piles. It says that in the document. The other thing it says right at the top of the document there's a bunch of redactions, of course, is that it says this report has not been approved by a supervisor, which I've never seen that before. I have the badge numbers redacted. The ranger's name is redacted. It shouldn't be. We should have all that information. And all we have is an incident's summary report. It's just like three sentences.

35:32 We should have like a full on report time everything. We don't even know how this report came in. We don't know if it was a phone call, email. We have no information on that. So it kind of makes you wonder how what was going on here. The email I got in correspondence with the report was basically saying, hey, the only reason there is an incident's summary report is because that ranger that was assigned to that they were medically incapacitated to go to that area. So once they say medic incapacitated all that type of stuff, it becomes a hip BA exemption and we're not going to get any information after that. But some people have speculated because there's no much you know, we don't have the email or anything. Was it the ranger that had made that report in the first place. Is that why their name is redacted? Because they were the witness where they medically incapacitated by the bigfoot. They were bone piles there. They were reporting bone piles, and you would think a bigfoot attack, documented bigfoot attack might be kind of far fetched. I have a whole chapter in here called bigfoot attack reports.

36:38 There's at least two documents, one from Michigan, another from Alaska I believe, or Washington, I believe, and the one from Ohio. It's basically a guy who's in a jeep in a kind of like a recreational tree farm or something like. That's midnight and he's calling the police saying, hey, I need you guys to get out of here. I hear bigfoot again, and he says again, and you're like, what's going on here? He had to be medically evacuated to the hospital, and what happens at the hospital. It's a hippo exemption. That's the end of that. We're not going to get any more information to that. So that was really interesting, and it's like, I don't understand the again part with that one. That's really weird. No explanation for that. And when I put that out there, a lot of people from Michigan started hitting me up saying like, oh my god, I've heard so much about that area, and it was really cool getting that response from people in that community. So apparently there's quite a bit of activity where this person called nine one one having to be evacuated saying he heard bigfoot. I mean, that's a documented fact right there, that happened. This guy had to be evacuated. That's not the only time people had to be evacuated for something like this. I also talked about in the book the twenty twenty four Casachi National Forest incident, where this group of teenagers had to be evacuated from the area because they had seen something over five foot tall on two feet with what they said was glowing red eyes, and it was at least seven kids out there.

38:08 They all had to be evacuated. Now, I submitted that's a national forest, Kasactui National Forest. I submitted a four yr request to the National Forest Service saying, hey, what do you guys have on this incident? Absolutely nothing. They had no information about this, which is kind of concerning when you think like a group of kids had to be evacuated out of there. The sheriff, the natotote of sheriffs were the ones who responded to this phone call. Because the kids couldn't get a hold of any ranger or anything like that, and I believe Kasachi even tried getting hold of them. They couldn't make any contact. So it's like, what's going on here? Why don't you guys have any documentation for that? And I recently went out to that area and it's going to be featured in my next documentary. We actually went to the GPS coordinates from the report and it was just I almost die going out there. I mean, it's just like Steep, it's rocky.

39:04 They were honestly like my pants. I took jeans out there. They were ripped to shreds. It's in the documentary. They're completely shredded. It was about two miles, a brutal two miles to get to where they were, and man, I got to tell you, if there's anything in that area, it's going to be in Kassasian National for us. It's just a giant playground with swamps and stuff that. I mean, we went two miles in and my clothes were ripped to shreds. You know, it's there's no way anybody's gonna be able to explore that full park. You know, there's absolutely no way. But we went to the GPS coordinates. I believe we were at the campsite. I found a can that was there kind of like in that area, so I want to say that that was kind of that area where they were at. And while I was out there filming for the documentary, that wasn't far from another report that I had received from Harrison County, Texas, where a man had called because he says, hey, I got bigfoot on my game camera, and I have that nine to one to one phone call. He calls in saying, you know there's something on my game camera. I think it's big for it. Can you guys come take a look at it. I have that full report. I went out there and I spoke to this gentleman, which is really awesome. At first, he was like, I don't want to talk about it because they kind of disrespected him a little bit. To his face. They were being really nice and stuff, but when they put him on hold, you can kind of hear some laughing or whatnot taking place behind the scenes, and so I had to kind

40:34 of coax him to do this interview. Went to his location. Kind of surprised him a little bit, but that might have helped him kind of getting in the mood for this interview or whatever. And he broke it down to me. He basically said why he called the response from the game Boarden because he was transferred from the sheriff to the game Boarden. He told me what the game Boarden says. He told me what happened to those cameras, their reaction, and it's to me, it's really fascinating. I got his opinion on what he thinks this is, and I think people are really going to be kind of shocked at what he says in this interview because he doesn't really hold a lot of punches. He was mad about how he was treated because he wanted it this taken seriously.

41:22 And again he just kind of breaks it down like a report wouldn't be able to do. He gives me all that information and it was really awesome. So that's going to be coming up in my next my next project here. Okay, And so these will both be released then on your the Harry Man Road YouTube channel. Yeah you got it, okay. Which there's some fantastic stuff on there already. Uh you know, I'll have the link link for that. And you you've done some really good documentaries also on your area Texas Bigfoot related ones and other Bigfoot Foya related ones as well, some really good stuff on that channel. So I'm excited to see those other ones come out just as well.

42:07 So I asked something like this a few years ago. I don't know, maybe I don't know how long, maybe two years. I didn't check, but feels like forever. But in case, people haven't heard that one and they might be totally different. Now, can you spend a few minutes giving us kind of how does a person go about doing a foyer request? Let's say, if they're like oh, man, I think that something happened in this certain area of Oregon around this certain date. I just I heard something that this certain ranger station, et cetera. Is what kind of things do they need to be able to do to do that?

42:52 I think the most important thing is dates. If you have some dates, that's really going to be the most important thing. Some townes or agencies are a lot easier to work with than others. There are some people that it's it's honestly, it's not authorized. I don't think it's legal. But some areas are like, if you don't fill out this seven page form, it's not considered a four yer request. And at that point it's it's you don't you can't narrow things down to that effect because you don't have all that information. You just have dates and stuff, and they're like they want to know who is involved and all this specific stuff. But some areas, some agencies and counties and sheriff's offices, a date is sufficient if you have a date, maybe with some other information. Some just keywords like you know, rangers saw this, or or a name of the town or something to that effect. All that stuff helps. Any keywords you can find any any dates that are relevant, and if you have a name of someone that came forward and said something, obviously that's probably gonna be your best bet it. There's also other things you can do. I've done before, and I wouldn't recommend it, but it is effective, as you can just ask for all their emails on an email server from this year, and I've done that before and I've gotten like a couple of things out of it, but it's like weeks of combing through through emails and stuff. A I might be able to help you now with AI, but still that's one way to go about it. But again,

44:23 the best thing you have, Like for me, I had heard about like the ape incidents in Santa Fe, Texas. I had the dates for that, and I basically said, hey, give me all the police reports you have from this date to this day. And so it was a small town, so that was all the police reports they had, and it was all from the monkey incident. There were six of them, come to figure, there were six of them. That's kind of a lot. But again, dates are probably the most important thing. If you've heard about something, if you've seen it in the news, you might have even a little bitter luck because in some of these four year requests you can actually like attach clips, like news clips. It's like this is from this is from or whatever, so that that helps a lot too. And I've done that for the Santa Fe stuff because they were kind of acting like, we don't know what you're talking about, and I'm like, there were like eighty news stages out there covering this. What are you talking about? You obviously know about it. So I had to go a little bit back and forth. I attached some of those reports like oh that okay, Yeah, we'll send you what we got.

45:21 So it's it's it's funny. And the other thing is there could be a monetary cost to having them do this, and usually they'll tell you up front, right is that still the case? That is the case, and it really it's terrible because it should be free. All this stuff should be public information. It should be free. But the book that I wrote, it costs me about six hundred dollars to get all these reports, which is just kind of crazy. But yeah, you've I've had to pay, and normally they will tell you upfront costs, costs for you know, page or whatever. So it's always good to have that information, but it's not cheap. Some of this stuff is not cheap, and I've had stuff that I've had to put on the back burner because I don't have the money for it.

46:03 I just don't like some of the mammoth k bigfoot shooting stuff. I did a for you on that, and at first I kind of had made up my mind about that, but I kind of want to go back because there are two videos that were taking body camera videos from the police and they were they wanted like six thousand dollars for each one of those, and I was like, that's that's not gonna happen. Florida has so many bigfoot emails it's unbelievable, and they wanted just a crazy amount. They're like, I'm not even gonna give you a number, like it's going to be astronomical. You're not gonna be able to afford it. So I had just been doing small things at a time. I'm like, give me two hundred and it would be like three hundred bucks. Like give me fifty, it'd be like one hundred bucks.

46:43 You know. So there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff out there, and surprisingly there's a lot of stuff out there. There's police reports, there's photos, there's nine to one to one phone calls. It's out there to find it really is. And I'm really surprised that I haven't seen anybody in the Bigfoot community kind of submitting full your request or anything to that extent. I've seen some people doing, you know, talking to talking about forest rangers and their experiences. You hear that a lot, but finding documentation. I mean, I've only found one piece of documentation and that's from the National Park Service, and and I'm sure there's more out there. I'm sure there's more.

47:29 Yeah, No one is, definitely, I guess, publicly doing the amount of work that you are doing. No one even even comes close from what I know. I know Micah Hanks has done. I remember I heard him speak at cryptidkon a few years ago, and he has definitely gotten some stuff. But I mean, you are doing a whole another level of work, and the things that you're getting back, I mean, there's nothing that comes close to this for sure, and I would think it'd be important to mention you. Still, you have like a a Patreon membership where people can join that and then you'll be posting you post stuff up there, you know. Yeah, but it's a way to pretty much to support this work in order to continue.

48:30 And I mean that's just to get I mean you mentioned everything from a few hundred dollars to those bodycam videos six thousand. That's wild, you know. Yeah, No, like you said everything, that's all the funding for the book, everything, haven't. I have a normal job, and I love that job. It's great. This is just what I do kind of as a hobby, as a side thing, and it's unfortunately it costs so much money to do that. But again, I'm trying to better the community, trying to help as much as I can. I'm not really like a track or anything. I have a background in you know, public relations in it, and so I just wanted to utilize what I've kind of done before.

49:11 And and yeah, I've luckily I've had some success with it, and and I want to keep digging and hopefully, you know, we'll find some stuff with well, I've already found some stuff that I wasn't able to fit in the book. So again, I'm probably gonna have to do maybe a series of books here with the stuff that I've accumulated. Yeah, I hope. So now you had mentioned a few minutes ago that there might be something that you could you could share at the end or near the end of the interview. Yeah, I think we can talk about that now. It was an email I had sent whereas a four year request I had done for an area in Washington, and I had I wanted to get their information because I had heard about some stuff going on over there. So I did the FOLLY request and it came back and it was a bunch of results. It was kind of one of those email server things, but I had a time span, so I was able to narrow it down a little bit. So I got this stuff back and while I'm digging through it, I see one and it's like, well, unidentified bone. This is their title for unidentified bone. So I opened it up and I looked through it, and basically it's an email of a woman saying, Hey, this person I know just passed away and I've inherited their entire bone collection. And this person who I inherited from their biologists and they're very educated and and we have this one bone. We don't know what it is. This email was sent to a university. It got intercepted by

50:43 a sheriff's office, and the sheriff's office is basically saying like, oh, we might want to take a look at that. There was so they the woman actually had attached the picture sent to the university, and again it was kind of intercepted. The picture is very interesting, it's well. In the email, it basically says she mentioned saying, Hey, we don't know what this is. Could it be a baby? Bigfoot? Says that in the email. And I'm gonna be doing a video about this, showing the email and stuff like that, because it's just it's wild. There is a photo of the jawbone. It's an actual jaw bone, a mandible. It's small, but it's incredibly thick. It's very thick dense. And so I had sent it to a someone who's works with bones, I'll say that on a regular basis, and they looked at it and they were like, I've never seen anything like this before. And they sent me a pamphlet of stuff that was just like why it's not a human bone?

51:43 And I thought that was really interesting. The teeth, the arrangement of the teeth looks very different. The holes there's there's not there's the amount of teeth isn't correct for something a human child or whatever. Again, the thickness is just way too thick. And so I had a lot of questions after that. I had got that identification or whatever from the person I had sent it to, and I need some more help. I wanted to get a second opinion. And I'm pretty good friends with mister Doug Hicheck. Doug. He's a great guy. So I had reached out to Doug and he just kind of contacted me right away, saying, hey, I know a couple of people. This is amazing. We'll get to work on this. And he actually did a rendering of the bone, the jawbone with teeth, and it looked very interesting, very interesting. So he has two anthropologists, I believe looking at that now, I have not told Doug this part. Here, I'm going to tell you. I had just gotten another batch of emails in and there's a continuation to this email thread, because what happened was, like I said, it was intercepted by the Sheriff's office, and the sheriff's office basically saying hey, we want to take a look at this, and the person never responds, and it's a couple of days, and the email chain starts between people in their office and they're basically saying, hey, this woman's not being cooperative. You know, we need to do something about that. And it's basically saying like hey, they sent another email saying, hey, there's consequence into this if you don't bring this up here, like this is

53:13 not like you got to bring this up here and show us. And so finally she responds saying like, oh, sorry, I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to or whatever, and their other internal emails saying like she's afraid of the person who owned this or the owner, like she's it's kind of shadowy a little bit like she's it sounds like she's I don't know. I don't want to say she's hiding something, but it felt a little a little weird there. And so so what happens is the last email I received from this chain that I just got it basically says that this was a folly request I did to Washington. Everything happened in Washington. Okay, they flew out to Alaska to pick up this bone.

53:54 I have no idea how that works, Like, is that not out of like their jurisdiction? Or anything like that. I would say, so I would, right. So it's documented saying well, at first it says hey, right before that it says the person who collected this bone is a by all, this very intelligent person. They know what they're looking at, or something to that effect. Like it didn't say that, but it's like this person would have known it was a human or if it was, you know, an animal, because it was a bone collection and he picked this out for a very certain reason and it was found in the Pacific Northwest. And again I have no idea how they were able a Washington Sheriff's office was able to fly out to Alaska and pick up this jaw. No idea, but it's in their possession now and that's the last we've heard about it.

54:42 That is it. The Washington Sheriff's Office has this. They have that all this happened in twenty eleven. Okay, gotcha. So so I don't know what I would do in your situation, because it's one of those things where it's like there's the line where your journalist but then it's like, okay, how how far do I do I get involved with this? Do I call out the Sheriff's office and and get in the story myself and try to figure it out, like you know. Yeah, and it's kind of you know, it's like they're like, I'm scared to know what they're gonna say, Like, why are you interested in a bone? It was in a skull from twenty eleven? Were you involved? You know, even though it was probably like a teenager at that time, but but yeah, I don't know. It's uh, they were they really wanted this. And again they mentioned like, hey, there's criminal consequences if you don't bring this to us, and they went to get it. So it's just wild like they wanted this bad And hopefully I need to reach out to Doug with this new information. I haven't told him, but he's got his people looking at it.

55:54 And yeah, I mean, this is one of a few things that I received in weeks since my book had come out. This and another internal email that it's a it's a park ranger, it's a park manager, the manager of the park, basically sending another email to a person saying, Hey, I'm out here looking for bigfoot. I know they exist. This is the manager of a park, like sending this email to Ackrol he was hunting bigfoot in that park, and he's like, I know they exist, like they're here. Like yeah, So. Obviously we can't get into specifics about the park, but can you say if it was like a national park or anything like that. It's a state park, state park, Okay, interesting, Wow, I can think of many state parks that would fit.

56:45 Yeah, it's a state park. And I was really blown away just by how forward they were. They were just putting it out there like I'm looking for it, says I'm looking for bigfoot, like it's here, Like it's pretty wild. My goodness. Has anyone reached out to you after you've really this book and and been like, hey, you know what. I've also gotten things from Foyer requests as well. Have you gotten any of those contacts yet? I haven't had anybody with that, but I've had people reach out to me with tips, got other things that were happening and stuff that I've I should foy your requests and I've done a few of them. So that was a couple of weeks ago. So I have some stuff from Maine. People from Maine reached out to me with some really interesting information and I hadn't done anything in Maine before. So I sent that out recently and I agreed to their how much it would cost and all that stuff. So they have something and I'll be getting it here soon. Whether it's any it's any substance, we'll see, but they're gonna send me some stuff. So and it's from this tip.

57:43 Yeah, just fascinating stuff. Eric, you are doing some incredible work that is really making a difference in the community. I can't I can't imagine, like you know, hopefully you keep doing this for years to come and what will come up in the future from this, And it hats off to you keep doing what you're doing. And you know, I'm gonna people listeners, please check this book out for yourself. It is a thing where you can hear us talking about it, but when you actually read through it, you see the pages for yourself and you're like, oh man, this is wild. It's it's all over the place when you know where to look. So check that out. I'll have the link in the show notes. But is there any other any other things you would want people to know about how to keep up to date with what you're doing, Eric.

58:37 Oh no, just you know, please reach out to me. My my you can check out my YouTube channel, Harryman Road. If you're interested in seeing the documents that we talked about tonight or whatever, you can you can check them out. They're in the book there. It's hard data. This is documentation with Bigfoot named in there. Like it's irrefutable. It's in there. We've it's it's data. It's hard data, but it's been out there for a long time. We just got to look for it. It's stuff. Well man, thank you again for coming on the show, and we will definitely be keep in touch with you and seeing what comes up in the future. But thanks again, Eric. Oh, thank you man, it's been my pleasure.

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