Jan. 2, 2025

Dr. (Redacted) Sees a Bigfoot! (A Collection of Interviews) | Washington

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Season 1

This episode is a collection of impromptu interviews that occurred on the Bigfoot Society TikTok channel Live - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.society (FOLLOW US THERE AS WELL!)

Join host Jeremiah Byron on this episode of Bigfoot Society as multiple guests share their spine-tingling Bigfoot encounters across various locations. From Western Pennsylvania's wooded areas to Indiana's railroad crossings, from Northern California's Eagle Lake to Louisiana's Kasatchie National Forest and beyond, listeners will hear firsthand accounts of eerie sightings and mysterious happenings. Additionally, delve into an extraordinary story from the early 1970s, where a unique experiment led to a credible Bigfoot sighting witnessed by a team including a prominent anthropologist. These detailed encounters, filled with strange sounds, peculiar smells, and visual confrontations with the unknown, promise to keep you on the edge of your seat.

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Forward slash the Big for Society, and now let's get

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on with the show. Tapist. I'm going to send you

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an invite to see if you want to come up

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and share it. If not, you can always send me

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an email too. It's Big for Society, all right, here

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we go, Tempest. How's it going?

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It's going?

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How are you good?

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Okay? So this happened when I was like I want

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to say, I was like ten or eleven, and I

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was with my family, and I don't remember all the

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details of exactly where we were. We were at some

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sort of national park in Uh, it might not have

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been a national park. I'm trying to be as accurate

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as I can. I was young. I'm trying to think. Here,

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it was in Pennsylvania.

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Okay, it was visiting.

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It was it was western northwestern Pennsylvania. It was a

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wooded area.

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Maybe it wasn't.

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I don't even know if it was a national park.

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It wasn't a national park. It wasn't that big. We

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were just we were walking through a trail area and

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we heard this crashing sound and the deer came running

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out and it stopped. Whatever was chasing It was very large,

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like it sounded bigger a cat or and there's no

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bears in that particular area that we knew of. And

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then there was this weird smell like.

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It was.

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It was such a strange smell. It's not kind of

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like almost like wet dog and like rotting I don't

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want to say rotting flesh, but like it was. It

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was weird smell. And he was, uh, he my cousin

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was completely freaked out, and he said that he'd heard

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that there was a big foot in the area. Now

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I don't know if he was just trying to scare me.

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So but that's my Bigfoot story. It's not very excited.

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We didn't see anything, we heard whatever. The big thing

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was run off and we left.

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That's really interesting. Well, I mean it's very interesting because

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Western Pennsylvania has a ton of stuff going on. I mean,

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especially if you're down in if it's southwest Pennsylvania, there's

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a ton of stuff that happens down there in the

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Chestnut Ridge, but also I mean the whole western part

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of the states. So I'm not surprised that you know,

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you did. It. Sounds like you had something weird happen.

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There's no National parks, of course, but there are definitely

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a lot of state forests and places like that you

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could have gone to.

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Yeah, like I said, I was so young and I

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just can't remember where it was. And I'm so sorry.

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Like I know, that's not a very good story, but

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I just wanted to share it because I totally believe

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in Bigfoot.

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The whole reason I do this is some people can

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share what the experience. It doesn't matter, you know. What

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I'm trying to say is some people are like, it

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has to be a certain type of story for it

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to be on my podcast. I'm not like that. The

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main reason I do this is that so you have

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an area to share what happened to you. So I

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appreciate you coming up and for sharing what happened to

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you that day.

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Thank you.

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I do have one more. One more, Okay, my friend

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told me. Now I live in Indiana. Now, my friend told

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me that one time. It's a secondhand story. But my

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friend told me that one time she was in and

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we are in I'm trying to I'm so bad at directions.

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We are in eastern northeastern Indiana, and she told me

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that when she was stopped at her car, her car

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was stopped at a railroad crossing and there was a

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heavily wooded area. She saw a very tall creature come

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out and when it saw like the train and the people,

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what the cars, it turned around and went back in

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to the woods. And she's not sure if she saw

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She thinks it was a bigfoot. It probably wasn't, because

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I don't think that there's any other sightings here. But

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it's still fun to think that maybe we have a

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bigfoot in our area.

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a good website to check out your area. You can

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got to bigfootmap dot com the Bigfoot Mapping Project, and

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you can see where all the reported sightings are. You

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can look up your area and see if you know

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there's other people that have seen stuff there. You should.

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I would recommend to do that.

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Sorry, I'm a little nervous sharing this, you know, these

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kind of stories, so I didn't talk very well. But

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thank you for letting me come up.

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Absolutely, thanks for coming up. You have a good one. Tempest,

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you too, all right, good stuff, Thank you, Thank you

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for coming up, Tempest.

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That was great.

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Appreciate you sharing your stories. That was They were great. Hello,

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hey Free, thanks for coming up. Cool. So you were

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saying that you've had something happen in the northern California area.

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Yeah, dude, I know I sound like a freak. I

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don't even know how I found your channel. I just

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was scrolling through and you're like, whoa, Okay, this is

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wild in any case. Yeah, I'm up here in northern California.

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People know where it is. It's Eagle Lake, and I'm

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driving on the backside of Eagle Lake and I look

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off into the forest and dude, I don't even know

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how to begin explain it. But you know, We've all

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seen pictures of the fake bigfoots or whatever sasquatches of

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people in costumes or whatever Halloween type garbage costumes. This

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was clearly something other that just was naturally out in

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the woods, running along in the tree line. And I

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don't know how to explain it other than it's exactly

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what we all think Bigfoot would look like, just something

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running along the tree line that had a lope to

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it that wasn't human. And I don't have a whole

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lot more to tell you other than that, like I

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slowed down and disappears into the woods and never seen

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it again. But then I'd later on talk with people

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around the area and find out that I'm not the

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only one seeing this the Eagle Lake, some people have

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all sorts of names for it, but the Eagle Ink

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monster or whatever you want to call it, others have

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seen this. This thing. I don't know what to call

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it out there, furry, tall with a wild lope running around, man,

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So take it for what it is. I'm not claiming

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I have any any knowledge on this area other than

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just what I witnessed, which was something very different in

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the cold of winter.

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Oh wow, So was it running through snow when you

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saw it running then or no.

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There was very light dusting on the ground at the time.

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It was just mostly but it was I mean it

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would it be normally what winter, but sometimes we don't

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have a lot of snow on the ground here. So yeah, dude,

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I'm going I found you. Glad I got to share

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the story and now many people are going to believe

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what I'm saying. Take it for what it's worth.

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I appreciate you coming up. I'm glad you found this,

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and hopefully you know if you have anything else happened,

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you know who to reach out to. So thanks for

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coming up.

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Man, Hey, thanks for having me brother, take care, Hey.

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Ken, thanks for coming up. Okay, cool. You were saying

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you had a sighting out in the desert.

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Yeah, and it wasn't anything real remarkable. I mean, it's

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remarkable to see, but there just wasn't anything to explain it.

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We were out there in between the sand dunes, driving

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down a lease road and.

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We look over and this thing.

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I thought it was a giant guy in a heavy

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coat at first, but we're twenty miles from anywhere, out

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on private land, and all of a sudden, we get

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we start to go past it, and this thing's got

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to be seven and a half eight foot tall.

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And we couldn't explain it.

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We saw it glancing, you know, glancing by by the

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time we turned around to go back, and mind you

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were out the middle of nowhere, it was gone.

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But there is no other explanation for what it was.

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Wow, that's incredible. Did you say it was walking or

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running or.

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Well it was so it was kind of we kind

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of one of those things that turned around as we

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crested the hill, you know, saw us, and it just

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looked like it was moving pretty fluidly away for you know,

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away from the road, and all of a sudden, you know,

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it was just gone, and you know, it was it

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was very it was it went away as quick as

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we saw it.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that's an area I've not had anyone reach out

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about yet. So that's interesting. Right on the border of Texas.

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It looks like that count is yep.

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Yeah, so that goes all the way to Carlsbad Caverns.

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The Waterloopy Mountains is sort of as part of that,

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or Chavick County is very close. You have a lot

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of springs out there, you have a lot of the

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Permian where you have ancient coral reefs and stuff out there.

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There's a pretty diverse landscape because Lee County is pretty big.

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There's a lot of large sand dunes, caves, mountains, things

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like that out in that area. If you go far

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enough to the west.

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Then that is a perfect area, especially if there's a

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lot of caves that that is extremely interesting.

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So here's the really interesting part about Yeah, some of

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these caves, like Carlsbad caverns, they found connections to those

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caves all the way down to the to the Gulf

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of Mexico up there about Santa Ros in New Mexico,

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they have they have a deep deep water caves that

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you know, actually move with the tide. And some of

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these caves and Carlsbad actually connect to caves over by Sonora, Sonoria, Texas,

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which is two three hundred miles away. I'm liking this

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so kind of explain how they can move around? Oh yeah,

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I mean, who knows where else they could go to.

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That's that's really really interesting to know. Yeah, thank you

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Ken for sharing that. Yep, Like I said, I couldn't

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verify exactly, but I can't explain what else it could

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have been.

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Yeah, doesn't really make sense for anything else. So there

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you go. Man, thanks for coming up. Hey, thank you,

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Hey gold Coin, how's it going, Hey are you good?

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Good?

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Thanks for coming out. Sounds like you had some interesting

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thing that's going on with hunters down there. Yeah.

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I live in Columbia, Louisiana. It's it's really rural. If

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you look up on it on a map, it's just

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nothing but forest around. It's right off the Washingta River

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run through basically within four parishes Kasachi National Forests south

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of US, and there's been I don't know, want to say,

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numerous sightings, but quite a few different things that have

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been going on within the last ten years that i've here. Anyhow,

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I work in the local hardware store, so I get

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a chance to see all the local people. And that's

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one of the main things that I've always asked to

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you know, have you lived here all your life? Most

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of them have. Very few people get out of this area,

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and I always ask him, have you ever seen or

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heard anything in the woods you couldn't explain? Obviously, ninety

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percent or more are going to say no. There's been

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a few that have said yeah, I had a one

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hunter guy he told me he got out of his truck,

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went about three hundred yards in the woodline, and he

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heard a whistle and he thought there was another hunter

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to his left. So he kind of horse shoot around

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to the right about three or four hundred yards and

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went back on a trail, and he said he got

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about another few hundred yards down he heard another whistle,

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but this time it was on the right side of him.

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He was thinking, surely there's not two people out here.

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The area he was hunting at is pretty inaccessible. You

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have to trek it pretty good ways. So he did

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another horseshoe to the left a couple hundred yards and

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kept on going, and then he said he heard the

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whistle again to his left. He said, at that point

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he just decided to go ahead and head back to

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his truck. He couldn't explain it. And you know, there's

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no vehicles out there. This is by the Enterprise Ferry,

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so if you look at up on the map, you

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can see it's very very secluded out there.

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Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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But the two people that were hunting the other day

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that came into the store, they were a couple hundred

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yards apart. It was about getting towards you know, dark

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They're both end up in tree stands bow hunting, and.

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He said, you just out of nowhere.

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He heard this, right?

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He said, it sounded like it was about six to

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seven hundred yards away, and his buddy there was just

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a few hundred yards away and another tree stand texted

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him and asked him if he heard it, and he said, yeah,

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what was that? And he said, I don't know, but

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if you see it, if it comes your way, you've

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got one shot. Which you know they're hunting with bows.

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So he said, I've never heard anything like that before,

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and I don't even know what it is. It's just,

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you know, there's just a lot of things around this area.

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I don't ever go in He's woods without at least

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one done.

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So I'm not going to say I will shoot it,

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but you know, I mean I would probably do the same.

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You're not the first person I've talked to from that area.

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I had a guy who was going through Kosachi and

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him I think him and his buddy were working on

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there's some kind of pipeline maybe yeah, But they were

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followed the whole time by something by pudle. It was wild. Yeah,

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it's a very interesting. So yeah, I doesn't. I totally

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am on board with you hearing multiple things from that area.

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Not as a question for sure, but yeah, thank you

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for noting out man.

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Yeah, I appreciate it. And like I said, there's more.

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I've got several more that other people have told me.

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If you're ever interested, I'll keep touch with you.

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Yeah, you're always welcome to shoot me an email straight

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up there at Big for societygumail dot com. You're welcome

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to send me an email and we can keep the

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touch that way.

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Like I said, if you ever look it up on

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a map and just survey the area, just go one

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hundred miles to the east or west, you'll see it.

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It's nothing but forest here. And you know, the timber

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company owns ninety percent of it, and you know they'll

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come through and log it out every five, six, seven years.

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But my wife is from here, and even she said

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when she was a little girl growing her parents always

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told her don't ever go in ease woods at night

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by yourself. So just one of those things that they

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just didn't do. So yeah, it's pretty wild, that's for sure.

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Wild stuff.

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Man.

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We will keep in touch for sure. Thank you, Hey RG,

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I think coming up.

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My family has a lot of property in Big Cypress,

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and like back in the seventies and eighties, the government

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started coming in and buying everybody out. And it's not

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close to Billy Swamp Safari, like I don't know two

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or three miles from their safari, you know where tourists

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come and stuff. But I about twelve years old, and

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you know, my grandma and my grandfather used to tell

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me stories, you know, when I used to go fishing

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and stuff like that, to be careful, you know, if

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you hear ston of the woods, you know, don't.

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Freak out and blah blah blah.

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And I used to sleep in her room on like

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a fake polar bear rug because the house is up

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on stilts and had little limestone rocks underneath the house.

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And my grandfather had like a little show. And so

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I was sleeping on that rug one morning, like I

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always do, and I used to try to scene of

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the refrigerator and like steal baking and stuff to go fishing.

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And one morning I woke up because I thought I

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heard my grandfather up underneath the house and heard the

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rocks and you know those little knots on plywood like

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and that's what the floor is made out of. Well,

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I could see the ground through the floor and when

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I looked down not be as And I've told my

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kids the story. I told my wife because they they've

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spent time out there. I've seen this thing that was

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It reminded me of a predator, right, it was all

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white like ghost white.

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Scared me.

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And there was a gun cabinet in the room that

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had like a pane glass and if I rolled or moved,

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I used to have to be quiet because my dad

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would yell at me for getting up too early because

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he was in the adjacent room. Well, when I moved,

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that glass touched each other and that thing looked directly

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at me and I froze like I was petrified. And

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ever since then, being out in the Everglades, like we've

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seen stuff riding swamp buggies, you know, stuff moving around

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in the sky. And from that moment on, I believe

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in it because I've seen it for myself. And the

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second story is we were on a swamp buggy ride

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and my dad was not the best, you know, like

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he picked on me in front of his friends a lot,

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you know, and I was always told to be quiet

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and this and that. Well, we were all on a

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swamp buggy ride and we're going to some old hunting

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camp that was like way off in some woods by

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some pond called Tarpen Lake. And as we're driving, we

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hear this screaming noise and it's pitch black. So my dad,

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you know, shuts the buggy off and we're sitting there

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for a minute. We kept hearing it. So he starts

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down this trail and it's like full of black swamp

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water and we're driving down it and never stopped. So

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as we start getting closer to this thing, he finally

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shuts a buggy off. They hop off. I'm like twelve

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years old, so I'm like petrified. I'm by myself. I'm

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in the dark, and I this thing's screaming in the

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woods and my dad's telling me to calm down. It's nothing,

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you know, We're just gonna look and see what it is.

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And I'm screaming, no, Dad, you know, come back. I'm

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just you know, I'm a little kid. Well, I hop

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off because I didn't want to be left alone, and

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I like I was on him.

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You know.

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We're walking in about a foot of water and we

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come up to this huge like Florida has these weird

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pine trees that are, you know, pretty big. There was

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a cow up in this tree that was almost split

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in half, screaming like something put him in the tree,

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and it smelled horrible. And as soon as I smelled

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that smell, that was what my grandfather and my grandfather

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used to warr me about because they call him skunkpe

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right in the Everglades, and we actually have a pond

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back there that this old man for like thirty years

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used to have a ranger tower, and they said he

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was a skunk ape man and he you know, spent

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his whole life looking for this thing. But ever since

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that moment, I never heard anything beyond the cow. And

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the cow was like probably a good fifteen foot up

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in this tree, like wedged in a tree branch, and

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like I remember, his back half split open. I've never

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seen so much blood, you know, in real life as

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a kid back then, because I'm forty years old now

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and this was when I was twelve. And ever since

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smelling that smell, I remember any ponds that I'd fished

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by myself. And it took me a while to go

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fishing by myself after seeing all this stuff. Like my

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grandma used to get so annoyed because I'd make her

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drive me to these ponds, and anytime I was by myself,

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I'd freak out. You know, I'd always be staring in

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the cypress and looking for anything, any kind of weird noise.

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I'd just high tail it back. So, yeah, those are.

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My two stories to where you know, I'm a firm

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believer in both. I've seen some crazy st up out

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there and those two things have me for life.

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That's that second one, man, That's that would have affected

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me for the rest of my life. Thank you for

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sharing that, r G.

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I yeah, man, no problem.

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Stay in touch. If you ever have anything else where

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it happened, you can always feel free to reach out

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my emails up there. But thanks you for chatting today, man.

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No problem.

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I wish I had some pictures for you.

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All right, good good stuff man. That that story is

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going to be with me for a while. Hey, Recca,

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thanks for coming up. I appreciate that. Awesome. So what

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have you experienced, my friend.

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Well, so in the many many years that I've been

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doing security, currently a director on a in a company.

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But when I was boots on the ground. I did

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in about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. I was a canine

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handler and we were doing security on a pipeline up

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here in British Columbia, Canada, basically up in the we'll

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say the Cocahalla Highway area, so it's up on the summit.

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And while we were up there one night, this is

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about two or three in the morning, my dog was

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doing basically donuts in the back of the vehicle and

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I didn't Usually when he does that, it's some type

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of animal. We're talking a deer, it could be a coyote,

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could be anything. But normally what we do is we

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hear a lot of sounds after or a during at least,

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like bush is moving or something to indicate that there's

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wildlife around us. But it was like it was weird

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that night because everything was almost like silent, like there

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was almost like nothing.

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There was no other sounds round, and it was just

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very odd.

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So and usually when you're in that environment, in order

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to stay awake here either reading books or watching movies

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or something while you're doing because there's there's nobody around

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for like three hundred kilometers or in your guys's case

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one hundred and what seventy five miles. So basically we

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were just I was watching a movie and then I

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don't know what it was, but my partner at the

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time just started barking, started going crazy, and I look

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up and I didn't see anything because the lights were

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all off. But as soon as I turned over the

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key and I turned the lights on, about thirty meters away,

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straight ahead of me, something walked right through my vision

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from one side of the road over to the other.

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And in my mind, I'm thinking, is this reflection from

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the video I'm watching onto the Like I'm just trying

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to analyze every single because.

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It wasn't a person. There's no people aren't that big.

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And so the next day, obviously we debrief and I

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tell the rest of the guys on the team and

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stuff like that, and I'm getting razzed pretty bad, but

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I'm trying to explain onto like what was going through

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my mind and what I was seeing. So that morning,

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so it was a night shift, about five o'clock in

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the morning, six o'clock in the morning, we did a

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shift change and I went up there and because the

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nature of the ground, it was so dry, there was

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no There was no tracks that I could really see,

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even when we went into the into the kind of

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down by the embankment and stuff.

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But the dog wouldn't go. I couldn't get the dog

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to go.

463
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.400
And my my partner was he would go anywhere, he

464
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.599
didn't care if it was a cougar, if it was whatever.

465
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.640
He would drag me into the bush. But this was

466
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.480
the one time that he just wouldn't go anywhere. It

467
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.680
was it was an experience. So what I saw, I

468
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.680
don't know, and I can't say whether it was something

469
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.920
or not, but it was an uncomfortable feeling for me

470
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:58.720
and at my time my partner. But it was just

471
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.559
very odd and so so that would have to be

472
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:06.599
my experience now to tag onto that. The night about

473
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.119
four nights later, again we're in the middle of the bush.

474
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.200
There's we're on a logging road. There's nobody around and about.

475
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.000
Again about three or four o'clock at night. And take

476
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.880
this for a grain of salt or what you will,

477
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.000
but all of a sudden, the forest just lit up

478
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.480
with all these different colors like blue, green, red, and

479
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.920
then it just stopped.

480
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.240
And I just I just we got out of.

481
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.440
The vehicle and we just checked around to make sure

482
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.440
there was no people around. We couldn't hear anything, the

483
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.759
dog wasn't interacting with anything that, he didn't smell anything,

484
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.799
he wasn't alerting on any senses.

485
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:40.519
Nothing.

486
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.960
So we said, okay, I got him back in the truck.

487
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.680
But an hour or so later, it happened one more

488
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.720
time and then that was it. And it's just like

489
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.240
these flashing lights and then just stopped. And then we

490
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.440
did another patrol, tried to find out where it was

491
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.920
coming from, but we just couldn't. And you're again, you're

492
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.440
in the middle of the bush and all of a sudden,

493
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.480
this bright light just flashed along. So so anyway, that's

494
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.559
what I got for those two stories. Take them for

495
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:04.160
what you will.

496
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.440
That's what it is.

497
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.000
That's that's something. Do you mind if I just throw

498
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:16.200
some questions out. Absolutely, it sounds like it crossed the

499
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.880
road pretty quick. Do you remember anything about the way

500
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.160
it moved across.

501
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:27.960
So to me, what I remember is and a lot

502
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.559
of people say it kind of like glides or or

503
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.680
it has this free motion. To me, it was clanky,

504
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.279
like it was almost like it shouldn't have been there,

505
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.160
and it was trying to get across as fast as

506
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.319
it can. And to me, what I was thinking at

507
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.759
the moment was I just happened to turn on my

508
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:47.400
vehicle at the exact time that it wasn't expecting to.

509
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.960
Be flashed with headlights, if that makes sense.

510
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.160
Yeah.

511
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.480
So it didn't look at me at least, not that

512
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.920
I remember. But it did go straight across the embankment

513
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.200
from one tree lined to another and then down into

514
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:01.839
the ravine.

515
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.799
Did it have a certain bosture to it as it

516
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.960
was crossing.

517
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.160
Very very rigid again, because it seemed like it seemed

518
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.160
like it was more caught off guard than anything.

519
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:18.440
Like.

520
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.400
I don't know how I couldn't hear have heard the

521
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.880
dog barking in the back because, like I said, when

522
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.759
the dogs, especially police dogs or security dogs, they'll literally

523
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.160
do like these circles around in the back of the

524
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.359
vehicle when they alert on something. And so he was

525
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.559
going crazy, even more so than he would have heard

526
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.240
or smelled the deer or anything like that.

527
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.960
So you're seeing the side profile. Definitely not the face

528
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:44.240
though correct.

529
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.400
Definitely not the face. I did not see. I did

530
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.039
not pay attention.

531
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.960
By the time I looked up, I saw the body

532
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.240
kind of just go past like and I say it

533
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:53.319
was less than thirty yards.

534
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:54.880
It might even been twenty yards.

535
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:59.319
If that anything about like a head shape or or

536
00:29:59.359 --> 00:29:59.880
anything at that.

537
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.319
No negative on that big for society.

538
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.319
Who will be right back after these messages?

539
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.319
Okay, I think I was more so when I looked

540
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.519
at it again, with what we were doing and what

541
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.440
we were there to there to do, I think I

542
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.680
was trying to process more of what I'm seeing rather than.

543
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:35.480
What it is.

544
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.160
So like because I as I was looking up, I

545
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.759
saw the body and granted it had maybe about ten

546
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.799
yards to.

547
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.640
A view, so maybe about three or four.

548
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:50.200
Strides, two strides, three strides as it got went from

549
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.160
one end to the other.

550
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.960
So was it comparable in size to any other animals

551
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.160
that you would that you know would be out there

552
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:03.680
as well?

553
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.759
Yeah, So as a hunter, I've seen I've seen grizzlies,

554
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:13.039
I've seen bears, and yeah, if a grizzly could stand

555
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.400
on its hind legs and walk across, sure, but I don't.

556
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.119
I don't perceive that in that type of.

557
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:24.279
Nature of movement like I would think that, No, it

558
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.880
doesn't make sense, and especially if it did, that would

559
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.240
be a very suspicious way of doing it in that

560
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.039
exact location like that wouldn't make any sense for the

561
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.400
bear to do that there. I've seen bears stand on

562
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.079
their feet and walk for a good again ten yards,

563
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.920
fifteen yards, that's not abnormal, But why would you do

564
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.839
it across a road in that exact moment. That seems

565
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.759
a little coincidental, if that makes sense.

566
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.799
No, it definitely does. Did this did this encounter this

567
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:55.480
sighting you have?

568
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:55.960
Did that?

569
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.079
Did it affect you in the years after this happened

570
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.599
or in any way? No?

571
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:04.160
Negative.

572
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.720
It was more just I just thought of it, and

573
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.440
like I think that because the nature of work that

574
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.039
we were doing, it was kind of just move on

575
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.039
with this, with it. I think the lights more the

576
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.400
next day confused me, and I know people don't really.

577
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.920
It's not really association.

578
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.480
Of you know, the the Bigfoot too, lights all the time.

579
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.240
But it was just very odd how all those incidents

580
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.200
happened in the same day. And you know what, I

581
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.160
could have been sleep deprived, who knows. But when the

582
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.240
dog alerts the way he did, that was an indication

583
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.519
that something wasn't right. And it was odd because again,

584
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.000
like I said, he's alerted on He was alerting on

585
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.400
other animals throughout the entire project, but during that day

586
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.039
and the few days around that day, he was alerting

587
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.039
a lot more and it was a lot more aggressive.

588
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.480
It wasn't It felt like more you know, somebody's watching

589
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.599
you or something's around you that he wouldn't have.

590
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.079
He wouldn't have.

591
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:01.920
He wouldn't have.

592
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.160
He would he wouldn't have acted the same way if

593
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.279
it was a person. If it was a person, they

594
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.920
tend to have these very distinctive alerts, and then same

595
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.920
with animals. But when he's just spinning around in his

596
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.759
kennel and just the whole vehicle's just shaking, that's obviously

597
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.200
a sign that the dogs noticing something a little bit

598
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.559
more is going on. And he did that a few

599
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.880
times before the days or the day before.

600
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.160
And that night and then the night after.

601
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.160
So I don't know if maybe there was something else

602
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:34.839
out there, but he definitely knew that there was something

603
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.319
that wasn't right with the situation.

604
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:37.359
Situation.

605
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:46.640
Wow, that is I'll be honest, it's it's it's not

606
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:52.119
like just that visual in my mind of you turning

607
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.960
the lights on and then as it's crossing the road,

608
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.559
that's just to me, it's just horrifying for some reason

609
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.440
like that would be hard to get it out of

610
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.559
my mind. But yeah, thank you for sharing what you

611
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.119
experienced that day, so I.

612
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.920
Do have a caveat to that.

613
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.280
Yes, recently, we actually designed a outdoor app that's based

614
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.039
on AI that takes pictures of tracks like footprints, and

615
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:18.639
it'll tell.

616
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:20.760
You what kind of animal it is, and we also

617
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.639
also do all this other stuff, and it's a tracking app.

618
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.960
It's meant for hunting and camping and hiking and stuff.

619
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.639
So what we've done is we've taken it outside.

620
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.800
And there was the reason actually kind of one of

621
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.639
the reasons why I designed this app was for the

622
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.679
hunting purpose. But when I was out, I found this

623
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.280
one track and I couldn't decipher what it was.

624
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:41.119
And again, I'm a.

625
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:45.159
Hunter, so I very well know the differences between tracks

626
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.039
to an extent.

627
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:48.039
But there was this one.

628
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.320
Track about two three weeks ago that I didn't know,

629
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.079
and I took our app out and I tried scanning it,

630
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.679
and it wasn't reading it and it looked to me

631
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.239
like it was a bear, like something larger than a bear,

632
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:00.199
but it wasn't.

633
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.119
It wasn't a bear.

634
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.920
And so we try to We tried to break the

635
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.639
app to find out if we could use it for

636
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.280
our case studies for bigfoot or for other types of

637
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.679
anomalies that are out in the woods, and so we've

638
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.000
been testing it and when we did it on that

639
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.960
track again, it was just very weird, and it was

640
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.719
in the same kind of area. We're up top on

641
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.920
that same kind of mountain bend where the Cocahalla reaches

642
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:33.840
the summit, and that summit area is not the highest

643
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.920
in BC, but it's one of the highest roads that

644
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.480
leads kind of to the interior.

645
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.360
And it's very weird because we see, we hear a

646
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:41.880
lot of.

647
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.800
Anomalies, so to speak, especially good stories about bigfoot in

648
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.639
that area. So we've been trying to test it and

649
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.960
find out why it's not reading the footprint as it would.

650
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:00.480
So it's just interesting to see it fail on specific

651
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.400
tracks like it's it's interesting because that's it's it's to

652
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:10.480
notice what are distinctive tracks and what aren't. So anyway,

653
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.880
it's just just thought i'd bring that up because it's

654
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.039
a it's it's a good tool, and I think that

655
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.480
maybe some of your your viewers might want to use

656
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:18.480
it when they're out in the wild.

657
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:20.800
Yeah, what's what's the name of it.

658
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.239
It's called dryads. You can look it up at dryads

659
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.280
dot app. But we can we can talk offline about

660
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:28.880
it as well.

661
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.719
It might be easier, Okay, yeah, no, that's that's extremely

662
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.000
interesting because you would have to train it on certain

663
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.639
things in order for it to realize it's a big

664
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:38.880
foot track, right.

665
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.920
Yes, And what we what we cater to is obviously

666
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.000
people who are hiking, camping, what whatever else. But we

667
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.679
feel that because of the nature of the information that

668
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.559
people that are out looking for sasquatch or bigfoot or

669
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.159
however you want to find it. Uh, the amount of

670
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.760
data that they're putting into finding this information is extremely

671
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.880
important to all of wildlife management and and for conservation

672
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.880
as well. So all those people that are out there

673
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.440
that are gathering information for bigfoot, I just want to

674
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.559
say hats off to you because you're doing a bigger

675
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:18.880
service than what you think you are.

676
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.760
That's awesome. Yeah, I would definitely check this out and

677
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.800
can you send me an email at Bigfoot Society at

678
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:29.760
gmail dot com.

679
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.280
Absolutely absolutely cool.

680
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.400
Yeah, awesome. Now, thank you for sharing what you experienced

681
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.079
and it looks like a pretty cool app. I'll definitely

682
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.840
be checking it out. I recommend other people do that too.

683
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.039
But yeah, thanks for coming up, man, No problem.

684
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.519
We'll chat later. And I hope love hearing all the

685
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:49.800
stories you guys are doing. Cool, It's awesome.

686
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.320
It's good to hear them. Have a good day.

687
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.440
Absolutely, have a.

688
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:53.440
Good one, right.

689
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.039
All right? Yes?

690
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:05.559
Oh my goodness, almost killed my phone. Yeah, dryads Dot app.

691
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.920
So check it out, guys. Looks like it's got some cool,

692
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.719
cool features to it. Listener discretion as advice for the

693
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.159
rest of the episode. The following interview contains material potentially

694
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.199
not suitable for a younger audience and language that has

695
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.760
not been edited. Let's see, I'm going to bring up

696
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.719
mister Thomas here. Hey Thomas, welcome. Do you have a

697
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.639
sighting or an encounter to share.

698
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:38.000
I have an encounter that I'd like to share, but

699
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:43.599
I emphasize more on my contact with Professor Grover R.

700
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.079
Krantz of Washington State University.

701
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.000
Oh cool, Do you mind if I potentially use this

702
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.440
audio for my podcast? Sure?

703
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:56.719
Go ahead, I just wanted to Yeah. What I wanted

704
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:02.360
to say was we had devised system where we would

705
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:10.639
take a female gorilla during her time of let's say,

706
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:16.360
during her period, and would take take take the blood sample, yep.

707
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.679
And then we would take it and plant several blood

708
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:26.440
samples in different areas, and then we would monitor the area.

709
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:36.000
We did draw in several sightings and there was never

710
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.840
it was never recorded, but it was eyewitnessed by myself

711
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:41.320
and a few other.

712
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:46.639
People almost for years is nineteen seventy oh my goodness.

713
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.159
And it was never published. It was kept secret by

714
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.159
ourselves because we didn't want to be laughed at during

715
00:39:54.199 --> 00:40:01.239
the time. WHOA, Okay, but it's all verifiable, and you

716
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.159
may contact Professor Grover ar Krantz if he's alive yet.

717
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:07.559
I don't know. This is over.

718
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.400
Fifty unfortunately is not alive. Okay, has passed on.

719
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:17.880
Yeah, but anyway that I'm seventy seven going on seventy

720
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.920
eight years old, and I thought I might want to

721
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.119
pass this on before I'm gone.

722
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.920
Yes, please, Okay.

723
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:31.480
We were up and I went to Washington State University,

724
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.840
contacted Grover art Krantz. We went out and placed several

725
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:45.880
female guerrilla minstra cycle blood in several locations. We did

726
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.480
draw in. We had two sighting at that time, and

727
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:56.039
it was a highlight of my life to witness something

728
00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:00.800
that extraordinary. But that's the only thing I can say

729
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.920
about it. And uh, I hope your your listeners uh

730
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:11.320
uh continue their investigation to this phenomenon. It's not a

731
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.880
lot of people. There's so many speculations out there, but

732
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.800
once you see one physically, I was, I was lessened,

733
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:28.239
uh less than fifty yards and uh and it scared

734
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:28.880
the hell out of me.

735
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:30.800
Yeah.

736
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.920
And uh this this uh creature, I'll call it creature

737
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.800
because there's a lot of people say, well bigfoot sasquash

738
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.360
all this stuff. Uh, I've got I've got quite a

739
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.079
bit of knowledge about it, but I just don't want

740
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.480
to come out publicly because number one, you look like

741
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.360
a damn fool and your delusional or you're you're misinterpreting

742
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.960
as a a bear sighting or something like that. But

743
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.079
everything I say is fact, you know, And I just

744
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.000
like to emphasize, do not give up. You know, there

745
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.679
is possible to capture one alive. I don't believe in

746
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:22.679
killing one, but Grover suggested we kill one, and you're

747
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.440
defeating the purpose by killing it and observing it. And

748
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.599
we got into a little bit of a dispute over that.

749
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.639
I totally again killing something that you can't actually identify

750
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.360
until you research it and find out exactly what it is.

751
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.480
There's no use killing a specimen when you're it's not

752
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:54.199
even accurately identified within the anthropological world. So that's what

753
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:54.960
I did.

754
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.719
So I got a few questions for you at Thomas

755
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:05.119
and you can decline any of them. Course. But are

756
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:10.000
you so you had other individuals that were with you

757
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:16.360
in this expedition where you were putting out the gorilla blood?

758
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.320
Yes? Yes.

759
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.679
Are you able to share who those individuals were or

760
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.159
you choosing not to?

761
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:25.119
No?

762
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:25.559
I can.

763
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.480
I can tell you your name. I can. One of

764
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:36.079
them was Jerry Dollar. Jerry, the last name is Dollar, Okay, okay.

765
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:42.960
The other one was Greg, last name of Ragsdale. And

766
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:48.320
the third one was, oh god, Timothy, I forgot his

767
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.280
last name, but Timothy, tim.

768
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.599
Okay and you guys all had sightings.

769
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.800
We were all witnessed to it. We all stayed together.

770
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.800
We never separated because you know, because we didn't. We

771
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.480
were actually we were not terrified, but we were very

772
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:11.559
cautious not to be where one would see something in

773
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.360
the other one not. And we wanted to verify to

774
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.960
ourselves actually to say did we actually see what we saw?

775
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:25.480
And so we all compared notes at the same siding.

776
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:31.079
We didn't want to be delusional or be riculed in

777
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.440
any way, shape or form, so we all remained silent.

778
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.840
And that's the end of the story.

779
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.920
Basically, Wow, each said a year was seventy.

780
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.599
Nineteen seventy, Yes, seventy to seventy one.

781
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.480
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

782
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.639
So this is three years after three or four years

783
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.960
after Patterson Giland and about the same time that Ron

784
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:22.320
Moorehead was filming or recording the Cira Sons more or

785
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:27.960
less take a few years. Did you say this happened

786
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:28.880
in Washington State?

787
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.119
Yes, I went up to Washington State. I contacted Goro

788
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:41.159
our Krantz. We formulated this plan together and we've carried

789
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:47.960
it out and we got the samples from actually we

790
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.440
got the sample from the San Diego Zoo. We didn't

791
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.599
want to become a part of anything. We just wanted

792
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.719
to prove to ourselves that it what you call big

793
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.840
foot sasquash of whatever it is. We wanted to compare

794
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.960
to the sightings that's been in Tibet, in the Himalayas.

795
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:12.719
We wanted to compare everything that that some people say

796
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:17.800
they've cited and uh and uh, and compare it to

797
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:25.360
what we witnessed and what we saw. This I'll call it, okay,

798
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.599
we'll call it bigfoot. I call it a creature because

799
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:31.639
I've seen I've seen the cast I've seen the foot

800
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.400
cast I've seen a lot of them. And we took

801
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:40.000
plaster casting of it and I we cranch had it

802
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.519
the castings, and he took it back for the study.

803
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.840
And I didn't know what happened to him after that.

804
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.639
So I said, he said, can I have these? And

805
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.400
I said, sure. I can't do anything. I can't do

806
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:59.039
any research with him. I'm not qualified. So he was.

807
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:05.199
He was the anthems. He taught anthropology, you know, he was.

808
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:09.960
He had a PhD in man. But nonetheless, I was

809
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.440
nothing more than a tracker. I was a tracker and

810
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.880
that's what I did best.

811
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.360
Can you share what part of Washington has happened.

812
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.440
Down by the Spokane area, in the vicinity of Spokane.

813
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:32.800
Let me bring that up real quick. Oh interesting, okay,

814
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:41.119
all right, all right, So you go to this this

815
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:46.519
area in the Spokane region, you take the blood and

816
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.079
then you said, you pretty much put it in an area,

817
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.599
and then how long did it take until they showed up?

818
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.679
Actually it was about let me see, we stayed in

819
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.800
the area. We gave it each area. We spent seventy

820
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.639
two hours in in a different areas just to have

821
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:10.079
it located. So we wanted to make sure that we

822
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.079
just But it drew in a let me tell you,

823
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.760
it drew in a more than just a bigfoot. They were.

824
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:22.360
We had brown bears and blackberries. Smell of it, the

825
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:30.199
samples we've had, like even we had raccoons. They would

826
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.679
raccoons would call up the tree and smell it and

827
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:37.000
then crow back down. But it drew in a number

828
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:43.679
of animals that would because of the scent, they would

829
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.320
catch wind of it. Deer would smell everything. You know,

830
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.000
they were they it was something unusual, but it was

831
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.519
actually that of a female gorilla. I could only stay.

832
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.360
I stayed up there actually a week because of my

833
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.719
work and everything. So I after a week, everything was

834
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.679
turned over to Professor Krantz and we shook hands and

835
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.119
said goodbye. I said, we'll do with it whatever you need.

836
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.159
And I was out of the picture. And I never

837
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.480
did contact him after that because I thought that he

838
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.480
was doing his research in regards to your so called

839
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:20.800
bigfoot of Sasquine.

840
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:26.000
So you put the sample, the samples from the gorillas

841
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.840
were they were they like put on a log or

842
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.719
like how is it put there?

843
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.519
So we put it on. We tried a tree, we

844
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.840
tried a rock, and we tried down by the river

845
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.960
basically because of the water source, and we went we

846
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:51.239
put it on the used to old stacked up like

847
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.679
wood and stuff along the banks, and that's where we

848
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:56.199
put it.

849
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.760
So the area where you had the sightings, it was

850
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:09.199
old stacked up wood by the banks.

851
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:11.440
The little river, little area. He picked the area and

852
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.239
I went along for the ride. But what we did

853
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.760
was I didn't I to basically be honest with you,

854
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.719
I didn't know where the hell I was because that

855
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.119
was an unfamiliar area for me because I went up

856
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.639
there to visit him. That we went out, and that

857
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.920
was all on Professor Krantz because he knew where he was,

858
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.920
he knew what he was doing. But I'm the one

859
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.639
that made the suggestion. This is why I accompanied him.

860
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.320
I said, well, why don't we try this? And he said,

861
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.320
that's not a bad idea, and so that's what we did.

862
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:43.239
We accomplished that.

863
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.840
So s you made the suggestion to use the specimen, Yes,

864
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.480
specimen that you.

865
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:56.960
That's the only thing I had to do with it.

866
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.039
And I did accompanying him, and we went on a

867
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.480
little three day outing, you might say, right, and that

868
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.039
that was the end of my story, My my end

869
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:12.440
of the fame, claim to fame was over in three days,

870
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:13.599
you know. But that's it.

871
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.039
Now you have it on the old logs. And were

872
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:23.039
you like hiding in the woods waiting for something to come,

873
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.159
or like, what was the situation when one actually showed up?

874
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.800
We would we would actually climb in trees to get

875
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.800
out of sight. And we have observed the point of

876
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.159
where we had to laid laid descent.

877
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:41.519
Okay, how high up were you?

878
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:42.480
Well?

879
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:46.079
I was up at least let me see, I'm not

880
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.639
a very good climber. So I was up about fifteen

881
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.760
to twenty feet okay.

882
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.800
And were you were you? Did you like tie yourself

883
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:56.920
in or were you just like holding on to Well,

884
00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:58.400
I was in between.

885
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.119
The branches, you know, and I was dressed in I

886
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.280
was dressed in camouflage. Course, and uh, we we did

887
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:10.440
it and we put on deer scent of ourselves. We

888
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.199
smell like deer, and you can do that for one

889
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.800
hundred cent, you know, And so that's what we used

890
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.599
to help uh to kill our own scent. So basically

891
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.719
that's what we did. And I just thought i'd share

892
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.320
that with you before I pass on and give you

893
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.840
some kind of ideal What was we were doing.

894
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.239
It's a it's an amazing story. Can you take me

895
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.360
back to when you're in the tree and the first

896
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.159
time you see that that bigfoot show up? What was

897
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.679
it that you remember seeing? What on you see that

898
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:46.199
come in?

899
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.800
What what I found most fascinating about it was it

900
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.440
was actually it was bipedal, you know. I thought it

901
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.000
would be on all fours, are crawling along the ground

902
00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:00.039
like a like a regular primate or something like that.

903
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.039
But it never went into that position. It was totally

904
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:10.039
upright in a walking position. From what I could see.

905
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.800
It never went down on all fours. It always stood up,

906
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.519
And that's what fascinated. I thought it would go into

907
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.320
a primate position and start running or something like that,

908
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:25.960
but it was always standing up and always walking with

909
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:31.079
a lot of strides, well lengthy strides. Let's just say,

910
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.559
and Krantz he got all excited because because of the

911
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.599
footprints was left behind. And then he had brought along

912
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:46.239
the material to take foot samples, you know, to lay

913
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.840
down the I forget the plaster casting. And he did

914
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.760
all that, but he had he walked away with about

915
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.480
four or five plaster casts and he took possession of

916
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:02.079
him and he had a variety of them so he

917
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.000
could compare apparently, wow.

918
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.320
And but he was not with you that day? Was

919
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.639
you and the other U three individuals?

920
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.800
Right? He was? We were there, like I say, only

921
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.920
I only had three days. I was with him for

922
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:22.119
two of the three days and that was it. And

923
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.960
then he left on the third day because he had

924
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.400
obligations to teach classes and stuff like that.

925
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.159
He was not there when the sighting occurred.

926
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:36.760
No, he was there. No, he was there on that day.

927
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.360
That's why he I'm sorry sorry.

928
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:42.400
Did he have a sighting?

929
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.039
Yes he did. He recorded it and everything. He can

930
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:52.679
verify that. Because see, there was a great big controversy

931
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:58.079
on that, and they were saying that he he cramps

932
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:05.440
was was per promoting his own theory. And we we

933
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.599
we had said no, he saw it. We saw the

934
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:08.559
same thing. We saw.

935
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:17.079
That is in man, I need to check with someone, right,

936
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.519
So I think most people think he never saw one.

937
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:25.000
Right, Most everybody thought that he was never a witness.

938
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.880
But he he did witness.

939
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:29.360
Because you were there with him.

940
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.199
I was. I was within two hundred feet of him

941
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:35.840
from a different tree angle.

942
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:40.960
Yes, did he actually say to you something to the

943
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:44.360
effect of I saw one? Or yeah, did you see that?

944
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.440
Or something like that.

945
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:50.360
Yeah, we got down in discussion, it said Gobert. Now

946
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.360
Golbert was number one. A lot of people thought Grover

947
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.280
was the crazy son of a bit, but he wasn't. Okay, no,

948
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:03.679
okay by far, but go over now. He was a

949
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:09.360
very scientific, He was very straight up person. And we

950
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:12.519
sat around and have a cup of coffee and things

951
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:17.559
like that, and we talk. He said, you know, you're

952
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.519
going to be classified as crazy as I am. And

953
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.960
I said, well, perhaps, maybe, perhaps not. I said, but

954
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.159
I know what I know. And I said, I came

955
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.039
up with this idea, and so far we've drawn in

956
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:38.400
some sighting, but I'm not. We had maybe what they

957
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.119
call a near sighting where we thought we saw something,

958
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.840
but neither one of us could actually say yes, we

959
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.480
saw something. So you don't want to lie about anything

960
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:53.800
like this, because if you lie, or you hallucinate, or

961
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.400
you'd oh I want to see something like that, you

962
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:03.400
become an unreliable source. So you just keep quiet, that's all.

963
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:06.719
So I've taken up enough of your time. I shared

964
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.199
my story with you, and I'll let you get back

965
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:10.440
to whatever you're doing.

966
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.039
It, Thomas, And I don't want to push, but if

967
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.159
you have extra if you have extra time, I do

968
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.639
have extra questions for you. This is this is a

969
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:20.679
super important.

970
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:26.719
I got plenty of time, but I do a lot

971
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:32.639
of research my own, but not in that regard. I

972
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.639
since that time I went and I went back to

973
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:39.239
college and things like that. I was a young man

974
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:44.360
back and then you know, god young man. And but anyway,

975
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.800
go ahead with your questions. I'll answer truthfully.

976
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.679
So it sounds like doctor Krantz definitely had the sighting

977
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.599
of the same creature that you had. The word were

978
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.079
you able to see anything about its face when you

979
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:01.920
saw it come in?

980
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.519
Well? I did because I had a pair of binocular

981
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:11.000
with me, because and so did Crafts. You know, let's

982
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:15.920
let's not be you know, no, we both had our

983
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.800
twenty nine nine five binoculars with us, you know, little

984
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.679
three parts, but we did. Yes, and the other guys

985
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:28.840
that was mesed, like I mentioned Derry and Rogerstone. Yes,

986
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.679
everybody had binoculars. Not the best in the world, but

987
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.159
they were useful.

988
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:38.719
What kind of things did you notice when you looked

989
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:41.599
at the face of it through the binoculars?

990
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.960
Well, the the what I really noticed that was they

991
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:53.320
had very human like features. But it's the same time,

992
00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:01.719
how can I put this a primitive a primitive facial structure.

993
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:06.320
Everybody knows about the Neanderthal and the chro magnum and

994
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.440
the Java Man and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

995
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:18.880
But I found it more closely related to the chromagnum. Okay, okay,

996
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.519
that's my own personal view. That's not verifiable. I'm not

997
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.719
going to commit to anything, but my personal view of

998
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.000
it was the chromagnum.

999
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:28.519
Look.

1000
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:36.639
But as far as hightwise goes, I can verify that

1001
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.119
the Son of a Bitch was like over eight foot?

1002
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:40.960
Oh wow?

1003
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.559
How wide were the shoulders.

1004
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:48.280
At least three foot three foot four foot? Maybe the

1005
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.119
dimension wise it equaled out because Crans did the calculations

1006
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.239
on it. He said, that's for for height and weight

1007
00:59:56.280 --> 01:00:00.320
and perspective, he said, and he asked themated abound, but

1008
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.639
are anywhere from three to five hundred pounds? You know?

1009
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.079
So that was his calculations, not mine. I didn't know

1010
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:15.159
how how he came out with that calculation. So I was,

1011
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.480
I was. That was not my expertise. I was just

1012
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:20.519
a tracker, that's all.

1013
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.960
So when it was coming into the area, obviously smelling

1014
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.119
what was going on, what was the emotions it had,

1015
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:30.599
or how was it acting?

1016
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.000
It was acting just like it was very alert. Let's

1017
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:41.519
just say that the constant head twisting, observing his environment

1018
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:42.039
around him.

1019
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:42.840
I guess you might.

1020
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:47.039
Say, but he was very aware of every sound, every movement,

1021
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.119
and that's why we went up high. But that didn't

1022
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:54.480
seem to have any effect on him because he was

1023
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.119
at hye level. He never suspected, or it never suspected

1024
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.480
that we were in an elevated position observing.

1025
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.320
It wasn't looking Yeah, it wasn't looking up. Gotcha. When

1026
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.360
it would twist its head to have to twist its.

1027
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.039
Head, shoulder, neck or no, he would, he would the

1028
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:17.719
whole shoulder body would move, yes, right his his his

1029
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.079
neck racial uh moved the same time the shoulder did

1030
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.039
he couldn't twist his neck like we.

1031
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:31.159
Do when it Actually, when you saw it walking, did

1032
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.199
you notice anything peculiar about its gate at all?

1033
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:42.800
Uh? You know, beside the length maybe?

1034
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:43.199
Uh?

1035
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.880
His steps? Uh, he cain't. We calculated what can't if

1036
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:51.800
I can remember at least five foot in his step

1037
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:57.280
length he takes a step into five foot? Yeah, No,

1038
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.639
about three four foot, four foot something between four and

1039
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:01.559
five foot, you know.

1040
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.639
Was it making any noise at all when it came in?

1041
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:11.039
Uh? No, noise, very very silent, very very silent.

1042
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:12.280
Uh.

1043
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.599
In fact, Uh, I'm not the very first one to

1044
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.880
spot it. H Jerry. Jerry was and he had most

1045
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.360
hand signals and in that direction. Then we pulled picked

1046
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:25.920
it up on everybody picked it up.

1047
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:31.119
Gotcha? Any any smells at all when it came in?

1048
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:40.239
Yes, Yes, the very uh stinky, wet, skunky smell maybe, Uh,

1049
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.079
but it wasn't a skunk. It didn't smell like a skunk.

1050
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:49.679
It smelled like a very Have you ever smelled a

1051
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:57.679
wet rug or a wet mop something in that something

1052
01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:58.119
like that?

1053
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:05.440
Gotch Yeah. So it gets to the area with the

1054
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:11.119
specimen on the old uh would Yeah? What does it

1055
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:12.599
do when it gets.

1056
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.920
There, it it drew it in. It actually drew it

1057
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.039
in to our surprise, Okay, very very surprised that it

1058
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:26.679
would lure lure it in that close. And it was

1059
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:33.280
aware of that particular specimen because it went back, it

1060
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:38.199
smelled it at once, walked away and then came back

1061
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:45.760
and smelled it again, and then and in in our

1062
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:50.039
in our view. And this is just strictly my personal

1063
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:58.679
interpretation of it. Was yes, the experimented work, and that

1064
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.920
was the conclusion of it. He took, he was writing

1065
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.599
down in his notes and stuff like this what we

1066
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:11.400
had observed. And and I just, I'm just I didn't

1067
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:12.400
know he had passed.

1068
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:14.000
But I'm sorry.

1069
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:19.320
I never kept in contact with him after my three

1070
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:24.119
days with him because and it's verified, well I have

1071
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.760
letters and stuff like that. But anyway, I thought i'd

1072
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.559
share this with you and your listeners, so to bring

1073
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:40.039
something enlightening to at the very monumental fact that they

1074
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:45.159
are out there. They are among us, you might say,

1075
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:50.679
up in higher elevations and stuff. They are, They do exist,

1076
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.360
and anyone that observes them, they're not delusional.

1077
01:04:54.599 --> 01:05:01.239
Okay, oh yeah, absolutely, I'm so lad that you called

1078
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.960
and said, did you say you have letters regarding this hole.

1079
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:10.960
I have. I packed them away somewhere in my and

1080
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.400
my and my old bagging and stuff. But I have

1081
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.559
my one letter where I shared it with doctor Krantz

1082
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.079
and and where I have the invitation to come up

1083
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.760
to visit him. Yes, oh wow.

1084
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.239
If you are ever want this is just to the side.

1085
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:36.280
But if you are ever wanting to donate anything like

1086
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:40.360
that that is related to Bigfoot history, I would recommend

1087
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:46.199
that you contact the North American Bigfoot Center Cliff Brickman's

1088
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:50.400
Bigfoot Museum in Boring, Oregon. They would love to have

1089
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:51.639
artifacts like that.

1090
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:57.400
To be honest, this is going back to seventy nineteen seventy.

1091
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.159
They trust me. They would love it. They would adore

1092
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:00.800
at Thomas.

1093
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.119
Well, okay, if you, if you don't mind out, give

1094
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:05.840
me a couple of days to dig it out and

1095
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:11.519
find it. You know, it's been fifty years since this

1096
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:18.960
should also okay, I might do that to bring his

1097
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:23.440
legacy to people, to remember how great of a real

1098
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.000
man he was, a good guy. He really was. I

1099
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:26.360
knew it.

1100
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.840
Just to just to let you so. I just want

1101
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.840
to tell you one more thing about what happened to

1102
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:39.519
doctor Krantz before you go. Yeah, So he passed away

1103
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:44.239
on February fourteen, two thousand and two. He had given

1104
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:50.039
his body to science, and in you know he had

1105
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.880
that large dog, right, yeah, extremely large dog. So him

1106
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.239
and his dog were given to Science, and the Smithsonian

1107
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.079
actually took both of the bodies. And you can see

1108
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.320
I forget it where it is, but you can see

1109
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:08.440
the skeletons of both. And you can look this up

1110
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:09.280
on the internet.

1111
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:11.679
I got my phone and that's all I need. I

1112
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.639
don't have I am not I am on computer literate.

1113
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.159
I'm old school, so this is it. But I appreciate

1114
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:26.119
that information. And I will give me a month or

1115
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:27.920
so or a couple of weeks, and I have to

1116
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.840
go through all my documents and stuff, but I will

1117
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:34.920
find Thomas.

1118
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.480
Thank you so much, But anyway.

1119
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:37.920
I get out of the way.

1120
01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:41.119
I appreciate you allowing me to tell a story.

1121
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.760
You're a big for society. Our goal is to provide

1122
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:48.000
a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share

1123
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:51.880
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1124
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.360
need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that

1125
01:07:55.400 --> 01:08:00.320
you just can't explain, please send me an email at

1126
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:04.159
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1127
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:07.480
the conversation. I know a lot of you have not

1128
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:12.679
shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and

1129
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.719
it's time that you get this off your chest and

1130
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.039
then you can get some well deserved for rest because

1131
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:21.560
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1132
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:24.880
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1133
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1154
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:52.520
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1155
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:57.760
Spirit Lake, Stubtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

1156
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.640
the area west of Crater Lake of two point thirty

1157
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.920
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1158
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