Dr. (Redacted) Sees a Bigfoot! (A Collection of Interviews) | Washington

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0:49 It's going? How are you good? Okay? So this happened when I was like I want to say, I was like ten or eleven, and I was with my family, and I don't remember all the details of exactly where we were. We were at some sort of national park in Uh, it might not have been a national park. I'm trying to be as accurate as I can. I was young. I'm trying to think. Here, it was in Pennsylvania.

1:30 Okay, it was visiting. It was it was western northwestern Pennsylvania. It was a wooded area. Maybe it wasn't. I don't even know if it was a national park. It wasn't a national park. It wasn't that big. We were just we were walking through a trail area and we heard this crashing sound and the deer came running out and it stopped. Whatever was chasing It was very large, like it sounded bigger a cat or and there's no bears in that particular area that we knew of. And then there was this weird smell like.

2:22 It was. It was such a strange smell. It's not kind of like almost like wet dog and like rotting I don't want to say rotting flesh, but like it was. It was weird smell. And he was, uh, he my cousin was completely freaked out, and he said that he'd heard that there was a big foot in the area. Now I don't know if he was just trying to scare me. So but that's my Bigfoot story. It's not very excited. We didn't see anything, we heard whatever. The big thing was run off and we left.

3:09 That's really interesting. Well, I mean it's very interesting because Western Pennsylvania has a ton of stuff going on. I mean, especially if you're down in if it's southwest Pennsylvania, there's a ton of stuff that happens down there in the Chestnut Ridge, but also I mean the whole western part of the states. So I'm not surprised that you know, you did. It. Sounds like you had something weird happen. There's no National parks, of course, but there are definitely a lot of state forests and places like that you could have gone to. Yeah, like I said, I was so young and I just can't remember where it was. And I'm so sorry.

3:49 Like I know, that's not a very good story, but I just wanted to share it because I totally believe in Bigfoot. The whole reason I do this is some people can share what the experience. It doesn't matter, you know. What I'm trying to say is some people are like, it has to be a certain type of story for it to be on my podcast. I'm not like that. The main reason I do this is that so you have an area to share what happened to you. So I appreciate you coming up and for sharing what happened to you that day. Thank you. I do have one more. One more, Okay, my friend told me. Now I live in Indiana. Now, my friend told me that one time. It's a secondhand story. But my friend told me that one time she was in and we are in I'm trying to I'm so bad at directions.

4:47 We are in eastern northeastern Indiana, and she told me that when she was stopped at her car, her car was stopped at a railroad crossing and there was a heavily wooded area. She saw a very tall creature come out and when it saw like the train and the people, what the cars, it turned around and went back in to the woods. And she's not sure if she saw She thinks it was a bigfoot. It probably wasn't, because I don't think that there's any other sightings here. But it's still fun to think that maybe we have a bigfoot in our area.

5:47 Yeah, I mean, you never know. You should go to a good website to check out your area. You can got to bigfootmap dot com the Bigfoot Mapping Project, and you can see where all the reported sightings are. You can look up your area and see if you know there's other people that have seen stuff there. You should. I would recommend to do that. Yeah. Sorry, I'm a little nervous sharing this, you know, these kind of stories, so I didn't talk very well. But thank you for letting me come up. Absolutely, thanks for coming up. You have a good one. Tempest, you too, all right, good stuff, Thank you, Thank you for coming up, Tempest.

6:31 That was great. Appreciate you sharing your stories. That was They were great. Hello, hey Free, thanks for coming up. Cool. So you were saying that you've had something happen in the northern California area. Yeah, dude, I know I sound like a freak. I don't even know how I found your channel. I just was scrolling through and you're like, whoa, Okay, this is wild in any case. Yeah, I'm up here in northern California. People know where it is. It's Eagle Lake, and I'm driving on the backside of Eagle Lake and I look off into the forest and dude, I don't even know how to begin explain it. But you know, We've all seen pictures of the fake bigfoots or whatever sasquatches of people in costumes or whatever Halloween type garbage costumes. This was clearly something other that just was naturally out in the woods, running along in the tree line. And I don't know how to explain it other than it's exactly what we all think Bigfoot would look like, just something running along the tree line that had a lope to it that wasn't human. And I don't have a whole lot more to tell you other than that, like I slowed down and disappears into the woods and never seen it again. But then I'd later on talk with people

8:02 around the area and find out that I'm not the only one seeing this the Eagle Lake, some people have all sorts of names for it, but the Eagle Ink monster or whatever you want to call it, others have seen this. This thing. I don't know what to call it out there, furry, tall with a wild lope running around, man, So take it for what it is. I'm not claiming I have any any knowledge on this area other than just what I witnessed, which was something very different in the cold of winter. Oh wow, So was it running through snow when you saw it running then or no.

8:46 There was very light dusting on the ground at the time. It was just mostly but it was I mean it would it be normally what winter, but sometimes we don't have a lot of snow on the ground here. So yeah, dude, I'm going I found you. Glad I got to share the story and now many people are going to believe what I'm saying. Take it for what it's worth. I appreciate you coming up. I'm glad you found this, and hopefully you know if you have anything else happened, you know who to reach out to. So thanks for coming up. Man, Hey, thanks for having me brother, take care, Hey. Ken, thanks for coming up. Okay, cool. You were saying you had a sighting out in the desert.

9:26 Yeah, and it wasn't anything real remarkable. I mean, it's remarkable to see, but there just wasn't anything to explain it. We were out there in between the sand dunes, driving down a lease road and. We look over and this thing. I thought it was a giant guy in a heavy coat at first, but we're twenty miles from anywhere, out on private land, and all of a sudden, we get we start to go past it, and this thing's got to be seven and a half eight foot tall. And we couldn't explain it. We saw it glancing, you know, glancing by by the time we turned around to go back, and mind you were out the middle of nowhere, it was gone.

10:07 But there is no other explanation for what it was. Wow, that's incredible. Did you say it was walking or running or. Well it was so it was kind of we kind of one of those things that turned around as we crested the hill, you know, saw us, and it just looked like it was moving pretty fluidly away for you know, away from the road, and all of a sudden, you know, it was just gone, and you know, it was it was very it was it went away as quick as we saw it. Okay. Wow. Yeah, that's an area I've not had anyone reach out about yet. So that's interesting. Right on the border of Texas. It looks like that count is yep.

10:51 Yeah, so that goes all the way to Carlsbad Caverns. The Waterloopy Mountains is sort of as part of that, or Chavick County is very close. You have a lot of springs out there, you have a lot of the Permian where you have ancient coral reefs and stuff out there. There's a pretty diverse landscape because Lee County is pretty big. There's a lot of large sand dunes, caves, mountains, things like that out in that area. If you go far enough to the west. Then that is a perfect area, especially if there's a lot of caves that that is extremely interesting. So here's the really interesting part about Yeah, some of these caves, like Carlsbad caverns, they found connections to those caves all the way down to the to the Gulf of Mexico up there about Santa Ros in New Mexico, they have they have a deep deep water caves that you know, actually move with the tide. And some of these caves and Carlsbad actually connect to caves over by Sonora, Sonoria, Texas, which is two three hundred miles away. I'm liking this so kind of explain how they can move around? Oh yeah, I mean, who knows where else they could go to.

12:10 That's that's really really interesting to know. Yeah, thank you Ken for sharing that. Yep, Like I said, I couldn't verify exactly, but I can't explain what else it could have been. Yeah, doesn't really make sense for anything else. So there you go. Man, thanks for coming up. Hey, thank you, Hey gold Coin, how's it going, Hey are you good? Good? Thanks for coming out. Sounds like you had some interesting thing that's going on with hunters down there. Yeah. I live in Columbia, Louisiana. It's it's really rural. If you look up on it on a map, it's just nothing but forest around. It's right off the Washingta River run through basically within four parishes Kasachi National Forests south of US, and there's been I don't know, want to say, numerous sightings, but quite a few different things that have been going on within the last ten years that i've here. Anyhow, I work in the local hardware store, so I get a chance to see all the local people. And that's one of the main things that I've always asked to you know, have you lived here all your life? Most of them have. Very few people get out of this area, and I always ask him, have you ever seen or heard anything in the woods you couldn't explain? Obviously, ninety percent or more are going to say no. There's been

13:41 a few that have said yeah, I had a one hunter guy he told me he got out of his truck, went about three hundred yards in the woodline, and he heard a whistle and he thought there was another hunter to his left. So he kind of horse shoot around to the right about three or four hundred yards and went back on a trail, and he said he got about another few hundred yards down he heard another whistle, but this time it was on the right side of him. He was thinking, surely there's not two people out here. The area he was hunting at is pretty inaccessible. You have to trek it pretty good ways. So he did another horseshoe to the left a couple hundred yards and kept on going, and then he said he heard the whistle again to his left. He said, at that point he just decided to go ahead and head back to his truck. He couldn't explain it. And you know, there's no vehicles out there. This is by the Enterprise Ferry, so if you look at up on the map, you can see it's very very secluded out there.

14:54 Big for Society will be right back after these messages. But the two people that were hunting the other day that came into the store, they were a couple hundred yards apart. It was about getting towards you know, dark They're both end up in tree stands bow hunting, and. He said, you just out of nowhere. He heard this, right?

15:36 He said, it sounded like it was about six to seven hundred yards away, and his buddy there was just a few hundred yards away and another tree stand texted him and asked him if he heard it, and he said, yeah, what was that? And he said, I don't know, but if you see it, if it comes your way, you've got one shot. Which you know they're hunting with bows. So he said, I've never heard anything like that before, and I don't even know what it is. It's just, you know, there's just a lot of things around this area. I don't ever go in He's woods without at least one done. So I'm not going to say I will shoot it, but you know, I mean I would probably do the same.

16:24 You're not the first person I've talked to from that area. I had a guy who was going through Kosachi and him I think him and his buddy were working on there's some kind of pipeline maybe yeah, But they were followed the whole time by something by pudle. It was wild. Yeah, it's a very interesting. So yeah, I doesn't. I totally am on board with you hearing multiple things from that area. Not as a question for sure, but yeah, thank you for noting out man. Yeah, I appreciate it. And like I said, there's more.

17:06 I've got several more that other people have told me. If you're ever interested, I'll keep touch with you. Yeah, you're always welcome to shoot me an email straight up there at Big for societygumail dot com. You're welcome to send me an email and we can keep the touch that way. Yeah. Like I said, if you ever look it up on a map and just survey the area, just go one hundred miles to the east or west, you'll see it. It's nothing but forest here. And you know, the timber company owns ninety percent of it, and you know they'll come through and log it out every five, six, seven years. But my wife is from here, and even she said when she was a little girl growing her parents always told her don't ever go in ease woods at night by yourself. So just one of those things that they just didn't do. So yeah, it's pretty wild, that's for sure.

18:08 Wild stuff. Man. We will keep in touch for sure. Thank you, Hey RG, I think coming up. My family has a lot of property in Big Cypress, and like back in the seventies and eighties, the government started coming in and buying everybody out. And it's not close to Billy Swamp Safari, like I don't know two or three miles from their safari, you know where tourists come and stuff. But I about twelve years old, and you know, my grandma and my grandfather used to tell me stories, you know, when I used to go fishing and stuff like that, to be careful, you know, if you hear ston of the woods, you know, don't. Freak out and blah blah blah. And I used to sleep in her room on like a fake polar bear rug because the house is up on stilts and had little limestone rocks underneath the house.

18:58 And my grandfather had like a little show. And so I was sleeping on that rug one morning, like I always do, and I used to try to scene of the refrigerator and like steal baking and stuff to go fishing. And one morning I woke up because I thought I heard my grandfather up underneath the house and heard the rocks and you know those little knots on plywood like and that's what the floor is made out of. Well, I could see the ground through the floor and when I looked down not be as And I've told my kids the story. I told my wife because they they've spent time out there. I've seen this thing that was It reminded me of a predator, right, it was all white like ghost white.

19:40 Scared me. And there was a gun cabinet in the room that had like a pane glass and if I rolled or moved, I used to have to be quiet because my dad would yell at me for getting up too early because he was in the adjacent room. Well, when I moved, that glass touched each other and that thing looked directly at me and I froze like I was petrified. And ever since then, being out in the Everglades, like we've seen stuff riding swamp buggies, you know, stuff moving around in the sky. And from that moment on, I believe in it because I've seen it for myself. And the second story is we were on a swamp buggy ride and my dad was not the best, you know, like he picked on me in front of his friends a lot, you know, and I was always told to be quiet and this and that. Well, we were all on a swamp buggy ride and we're going to some old hunting camp that was like way off in some woods by some pond called Tarpen Lake. And as we're driving, we hear this screaming noise and it's pitch black. So my dad, you know, shuts the buggy off and we're sitting there for a minute. We kept hearing it. So he starts down this trail and it's like full of black swamp water and we're driving down it and never stopped. So as we start getting closer to this thing, he finally shuts a buggy off. They hop off. I'm like twelve years old, so I'm like petrified. I'm by myself. I'm

21:10 in the dark, and I this thing's screaming in the woods and my dad's telling me to calm down. It's nothing, you know, We're just gonna look and see what it is. And I'm screaming, no, Dad, you know, come back. I'm just you know, I'm a little kid. Well, I hop off because I didn't want to be left alone, and I like I was on him. You know. We're walking in about a foot of water and we come up to this huge like Florida has these weird pine trees that are, you know, pretty big. There was a cow up in this tree that was almost split in half, screaming like something put him in the tree, and it smelled horrible. And as soon as I smelled that smell, that was what my grandfather and my grandfather used to warr me about because they call him skunkpe right in the Everglades, and we actually have a pond back there that this old man for like thirty years used to have a ranger tower, and they said he was a skunk ape man and he you know, spent his whole life looking for this thing. But ever since that moment, I never heard anything beyond the cow. And the cow was like probably a good fifteen foot up in this tree, like wedged in a tree branch, and like I remember, his back half split open. I've never seen so much blood, you know, in real life as a kid back then, because I'm forty years old now and this was when I was twelve. And ever since smelling that smell, I remember any ponds that I'd fished by myself. And it took me a while to go fishing by myself after seeing all this stuff. Like my grandma used to get so annoyed because I'd make her

22:41 drive me to these ponds, and anytime I was by myself, I'd freak out. You know, I'd always be staring in the cypress and looking for anything, any kind of weird noise. I'd just high tail it back. So, yeah, those are. My two stories to where you know, I'm a firm believer in both. I've seen some crazy st up out there and those two things have me for life. That's that second one, man, That's that would have affected me for the rest of my life. Thank you for sharing that, r G. I yeah, man, no problem.

23:23 Stay in touch. If you ever have anything else where it happened, you can always feel free to reach out my emails up there. But thanks you for chatting today, man. No problem. I wish I had some pictures for you. All right, good good stuff man. That that story is going to be with me for a while. Hey, Recca, thanks for coming up. I appreciate that. Awesome. So what have you experienced, my friend. Well, so in the many many years that I've been doing security, currently a director on a in a company. But when I was boots on the ground. I did in about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. I was a canine handler and we were doing security on a pipeline up here in British Columbia, Canada, basically up in the we'll say the Cocahalla Highway area, so it's up on the summit.

24:21 And while we were up there one night, this is about two or three in the morning, my dog was doing basically donuts in the back of the vehicle and I didn't Usually when he does that, it's some type of animal. We're talking a deer, it could be a coyote, could be anything. But normally what we do is we hear a lot of sounds after or a during at least, like bush is moving or something to indicate that there's wildlife around us. But it was like it was weird that night because everything was almost like silent, like there was almost like nothing. There was no other sounds round, and it was just very odd. So and usually when you're in that environment, in order to stay awake here either reading books or watching movies or something while you're doing because there's there's nobody around for like three hundred kilometers or in your guys's case one hundred and what seventy five miles. So basically we were just I was watching a movie and then I don't know what it was, but my partner at the time just started barking, started going crazy, and I look up and I didn't see anything because the lights were all off. But as soon as I turned over the key and I turned the lights on, about thirty meters away, straight ahead of me, something walked right through my vision from one side of the road over to the other.

25:45 And in my mind, I'm thinking, is this reflection from the video I'm watching onto the Like I'm just trying to analyze every single because. It wasn't a person. There's no people aren't that big. And so the next day, obviously we debrief and I tell the rest of the guys on the team and stuff like that, and I'm getting razzed pretty bad, but I'm trying to explain onto like what was going through my mind and what I was seeing. So that morning, so it was a night shift, about five o'clock in the morning, six o'clock in the morning, we did a shift change and I went up there and because the nature of the ground, it was so dry, there was no There was no tracks that I could really see, even when we went into the into the kind of down by the embankment and stuff.

26:31 But the dog wouldn't go. I couldn't get the dog to go. And my my partner was he would go anywhere, he didn't care if it was a cougar, if it was whatever. He would drag me into the bush. But this was the one time that he just wouldn't go anywhere. It was it was an experience. So what I saw, I don't know, and I can't say whether it was something or not, but it was an uncomfortable feeling for me and at my time my partner. But it was just very odd and so so that would have to be my experience now to tag onto that. The night about four nights later, again we're in the middle of the bush. There's we're on a logging road. There's nobody around and about.

27:14 Again about three or four o'clock at night. And take this for a grain of salt or what you will, but all of a sudden, the forest just lit up with all these different colors like blue, green, red, and then it just stopped. And I just I just we got out of. The vehicle and we just checked around to make sure there was no people around. We couldn't hear anything, the dog wasn't interacting with anything that, he didn't smell anything, he wasn't alerting on any senses. Nothing. So we said, okay, I got him back in the truck. But an hour or so later, it happened one more time and then that was it. And it's just like these flashing lights and then just stopped. And then we did another patrol, tried to find out where it was coming from, but we just couldn't. And you're again, you're in the middle of the bush and all of a sudden, this bright light just flashed along. So so anyway, that's what I got for those two stories. Take them for what you will.

28:04 That's what it is. That's that's something. Do you mind if I just throw some questions out. Absolutely, it sounds like it crossed the road pretty quick. Do you remember anything about the way it moved across. So to me, what I remember is and a lot of people say it kind of like glides or or it has this free motion. To me, it was clanky, like it was almost like it shouldn't have been there, and it was trying to get across as fast as it can. And to me, what I was thinking at the moment was I just happened to turn on my vehicle at the exact time that it wasn't expecting to.

28:47 Be flashed with headlights, if that makes sense. Yeah. So it didn't look at me at least, not that I remember. But it did go straight across the embankment from one tree lined to another and then down into the ravine. Did it have a certain bosture to it as it was crossing. Very very rigid again, because it seemed like it seemed like it was more caught off guard than anything. Like. I don't know how I couldn't hear have heard the dog barking in the back because, like I said, when the dogs, especially police dogs or security dogs, they'll literally do like these circles around in the back of the vehicle when they alert on something. And so he was going crazy, even more so than he would have heard or smelled the deer or anything like that.

29:39 So you're seeing the side profile. Definitely not the face though correct. Definitely not the face. I did not see. I did not pay attention. By the time I looked up, I saw the body kind of just go past like and I say it was less than thirty yards. It might even been twenty yards. If that anything about like a head shape or or anything at that. No negative on that big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

30:22 Okay, I think I was more so when I looked at it again, with what we were doing and what we were there to there to do, I think I was trying to process more of what I'm seeing rather than. What it is. So like because I as I was looking up, I saw the body and granted it had maybe about ten yards to. A view, so maybe about three or four. Strides, two strides, three strides as it got went from one end to the other. So was it comparable in size to any other animals that you would that you know would be out there as well?

31:04 Yeah, So as a hunter, I've seen I've seen grizzlies, I've seen bears, and yeah, if a grizzly could stand on its hind legs and walk across, sure, but I don't. I don't perceive that in that type of. Nature of movement like I would think that, No, it doesn't make sense, and especially if it did, that would be a very suspicious way of doing it in that exact location like that wouldn't make any sense for the bear to do that there. I've seen bears stand on their feet and walk for a good again ten yards, fifteen yards, that's not abnormal, But why would you do it across a road in that exact moment. That seems a little coincidental, if that makes sense.

31:50 No, it definitely does. Did this did this encounter this sighting you have? Did that? Did it affect you in the years after this happened or in any way? No? Negative. It was more just I just thought of it, and like I think that because the nature of work that we were doing, it was kind of just move on with this, with it. I think the lights more the next day confused me, and I know people don't really. It's not really association. Of you know, the the Bigfoot too, lights all the time. But it was just very odd how all those incidents happened in the same day. And you know what, I could have been sleep deprived, who knows. But when the dog alerts the way he did, that was an indication that something wasn't right. And it was odd because again, like I said, he's alerted on He was alerting on other animals throughout the entire project, but during that day and the few days around that day, he was alerting a lot more and it was a lot more aggressive.

32:51 It wasn't It felt like more you know, somebody's watching you or something's around you that he wouldn't have. He wouldn't have. He wouldn't have. He would he wouldn't have acted the same way if it was a person. If it was a person, they tend to have these very distinctive alerts, and then same with animals. But when he's just spinning around in his kennel and just the whole vehicle's just shaking, that's obviously a sign that the dogs noticing something a little bit more is going on. And he did that a few times before the days or the day before. And that night and then the night after. So I don't know if maybe there was something else out there, but he definitely knew that there was something that wasn't right with the situation.

33:36 Situation. Wow, that is I'll be honest, it's it's it's not like just that visual in my mind of you turning the lights on and then as it's crossing the road, that's just to me, it's just horrifying for some reason like that would be hard to get it out of my mind. But yeah, thank you for sharing what you experienced that day, so I. Do have a caveat to that. Yes, recently, we actually designed a outdoor app that's based on AI that takes pictures of tracks like footprints, and it'll tell.

34:18 You what kind of animal it is, and we also also do all this other stuff, and it's a tracking app. It's meant for hunting and camping and hiking and stuff. So what we've done is we've taken it outside. And there was the reason actually kind of one of the reasons why I designed this app was for the hunting purpose. But when I was out, I found this one track and I couldn't decipher what it was. And again, I'm a. Hunter, so I very well know the differences between tracks to an extent. But there was this one. Track about two three weeks ago that I didn't know, and I took our app out and I tried scanning it, and it wasn't reading it and it looked to me like it was a bear, like something larger than a bear, but it wasn't.

35:00 It wasn't a bear. And so we try to We tried to break the app to find out if we could use it for our case studies for bigfoot or for other types of anomalies that are out in the woods, and so we've been testing it and when we did it on that track again, it was just very weird, and it was in the same kind of area. We're up top on that same kind of mountain bend where the Cocahalla reaches the summit, and that summit area is not the highest in BC, but it's one of the highest roads that leads kind of to the interior. And it's very weird because we see, we hear a lot of.

35:44 Anomalies, so to speak, especially good stories about bigfoot in that area. So we've been trying to test it and find out why it's not reading the footprint as it would. So it's just interesting to see it fail on specific tracks like it's it's interesting because that's it's it's to notice what are distinctive tracks and what aren't. So anyway, it's just just thought i'd bring that up because it's a it's it's a good tool, and I think that maybe some of your your viewers might want to use it when they're out in the wild. Yeah, what's what's the name of it. It's called dryads. You can look it up at dryads dot app. But we can we can talk offline about it as well.

36:29 It might be easier, Okay, yeah, no, that's that's extremely interesting because you would have to train it on certain things in order for it to realize it's a big foot track, right. Yes, And what we what we cater to is obviously people who are hiking, camping, what whatever else. But we feel that because of the nature of the information that people that are out looking for sasquatch or bigfoot or however you want to find it. Uh, the amount of data that they're putting into finding this information is extremely important to all of wildlife management and and for conservation as well. So all those people that are out there that are gathering information for bigfoot, I just want to say hats off to you because you're doing a bigger service than what you think you are.

37:20 That's awesome. Yeah, I would definitely check this out and can you send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Absolutely absolutely cool. Yeah, awesome. Now, thank you for sharing what you experienced and it looks like a pretty cool app. I'll definitely be checking it out. I recommend other people do that too. But yeah, thanks for coming up, man, No problem. We'll chat later. And I hope love hearing all the stories you guys are doing. Cool, It's awesome. It's good to hear them. Have a good day. Absolutely, have a. Good one, right. All right? Yes? Oh my goodness, almost killed my phone. Yeah, dryads Dot app.

38:07 So check it out, guys. Looks like it's got some cool, cool features to it. Listener discretion as advice for the rest of the episode. The following interview contains material potentially not suitable for a younger audience and language that has not been edited. Let's see, I'm going to bring up mister Thomas here. Hey Thomas, welcome. Do you have a sighting or an encounter to share. I have an encounter that I'd like to share, but I emphasize more on my contact with Professor Grover R. Krantz of Washington State University. Oh cool, Do you mind if I potentially use this audio for my podcast? Sure?

38:51 Go ahead, I just wanted to Yeah. What I wanted to say was we had devised system where we would take a female gorilla during her time of let's say, during her period, and would take take take the blood sample, yep. And then we would take it and plant several blood samples in different areas, and then we would monitor the area. We did draw in several sightings and there was never it was never recorded, but it was eyewitnessed by myself and a few other.

39:41 People almost for years is nineteen seventy oh my goodness. And it was never published. It was kept secret by ourselves because we didn't want to be laughed at during the time. WHOA, Okay, but it's all verifiable, and you may contact Professor Grover ar Krantz if he's alive yet. I don't know. This is over. Fifty unfortunately is not alive. Okay, has passed on. Yeah, but anyway that I'm seventy seven going on seventy eight years old, and I thought I might want to pass this on before I'm gone.

40:24 Yes, please, Okay. We were up and I went to Washington State University, contacted Grover art Krantz. We went out and placed several female guerrilla minstra cycle blood in several locations. We did draw in. We had two sighting at that time, and it was a highlight of my life to witness something that extraordinary. But that's the only thing I can say about it. And uh, I hope your your listeners uh uh continue their investigation to this phenomenon. It's not a lot of people. There's so many speculations out there, but once you see one physically, I was, I was lessened, uh less than fifty yards and uh and it scared the hell out of me.

41:30 Yeah. And uh this this uh creature, I'll call it creature because there's a lot of people say, well bigfoot sasquash all this stuff. Uh, I've got I've got quite a bit of knowledge about it, but I just don't want to come out publicly because number one, you look like a damn fool and your delusional or you're you're misinterpreting as a a bear sighting or something like that. But everything I say is fact, you know, And I just like to emphasize, do not give up. You know, there is possible to capture one alive. I don't believe in killing one, but Grover suggested we kill one, and you're defeating the purpose by killing it and observing it. And we got into a little bit of a dispute over that.

42:31 I totally again killing something that you can't actually identify until you research it and find out exactly what it is. There's no use killing a specimen when you're it's not even accurately identified within the anthropological world. So that's what I did. So I got a few questions for you at Thomas and you can decline any of them. Course. But are you so you had other individuals that were with you in this expedition where you were putting out the gorilla blood?

43:16 Yes? Yes. Are you able to share who those individuals were or you choosing not to? No? I can. I can tell you your name. I can. One of them was Jerry Dollar. Jerry, the last name is Dollar, Okay, okay. The other one was Greg, last name of Ragsdale. And the third one was, oh god, Timothy, I forgot his last name, but Timothy, tim. Okay and you guys all had sightings. We were all witnessed to it. We all stayed together. We never separated because you know, because we didn't. We were actually we were not terrified, but we were very cautious not to be where one would see something in the other one not. And we wanted to verify to ourselves actually to say did we actually see what we saw?

44:21 And so we all compared notes at the same siding. We didn't want to be delusional or be riculed in any way, shape or form, so we all remained silent. And that's the end of the story. Basically, Wow, each said a year was seventy. Nineteen seventy, Yes, seventy to seventy one. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

45:05 So this is three years after three or four years after Patterson Giland and about the same time that Ron Moorehead was filming or recording the Cira Sons more or less take a few years. Did you say this happened in Washington State? Yes, I went up to Washington State. I contacted Goro our Krantz. We formulated this plan together and we've carried it out and we got the samples from actually we got the sample from the San Diego Zoo. We didn't want to become a part of anything. We just wanted to prove to ourselves that it what you call big foot sasquash of whatever it is. We wanted to compare to the sightings that's been in Tibet, in the Himalayas.

46:08 We wanted to compare everything that that some people say they've cited and uh and uh, and compare it to what we witnessed and what we saw. This I'll call it, okay, we'll call it bigfoot. I call it a creature because I've seen I've seen the cast I've seen the foot cast I've seen a lot of them. And we took plaster casting of it and I we cranch had it the castings, and he took it back for the study. And I didn't know what happened to him after that.

46:49 So I said, he said, can I have these? And I said, sure. I can't do anything. I can't do any research with him. I'm not qualified. So he was. He was the anthems. He taught anthropology, you know, he was. He had a PhD in man. But nonetheless, I was nothing more than a tracker. I was a tracker and that's what I did best. Can you share what part of Washington has happened. Down by the Spokane area, in the vicinity of Spokane. Let me bring that up real quick. Oh interesting, okay, all right, all right, So you go to this this area in the Spokane region, you take the blood and then you said, you pretty much put it in an area, and then how long did it take until they showed up?

47:55 Actually it was about let me see, we stayed in the area. We gave it each area. We spent seventy two hours in in a different areas just to have it located. So we wanted to make sure that we just But it drew in a let me tell you, it drew in a more than just a bigfoot. They were. We had brown bears and blackberries. Smell of it, the samples we've had, like even we had raccoons. They would raccoons would call up the tree and smell it and then crow back down. But it drew in a number of animals that would because of the scent, they would catch wind of it. Deer would smell everything. You know, they were they it was something unusual, but it was actually that of a female gorilla. I could only stay.

48:53 I stayed up there actually a week because of my work and everything. So I after a week, everything was turned over to Professor Krantz and we shook hands and said goodbye. I said, we'll do with it whatever you need. And I was out of the picture. And I never did contact him after that because I thought that he was doing his research in regards to your so called bigfoot of Sasquine. So you put the sample, the samples from the gorillas were they were they like put on a log or like how is it put there? So we put it on. We tried a tree, we tried a rock, and we tried down by the river basically because of the water source, and we went we put it on the used to old stacked up like wood and stuff along the banks, and that's where we put it.

49:58 So the area where you had the sightings, it was old stacked up wood by the banks. The little river, little area. He picked the area and I went along for the ride. But what we did was I didn't I to basically be honest with you, I didn't know where the hell I was because that was an unfamiliar area for me because I went up there to visit him. That we went out, and that was all on Professor Krantz because he knew where he was, he knew what he was doing. But I'm the one that made the suggestion. This is why I accompanied him. I said, well, why don't we try this? And he said, that's not a bad idea, and so that's what we did.

50:42 We accomplished that. So s you made the suggestion to use the specimen, Yes, specimen that you. That's the only thing I had to do with it. And I did accompanying him, and we went on a little three day outing, you might say, right, and that that was the end of my story, My my end of the fame, claim to fame was over in three days, you know. But that's it. Now you have it on the old logs. And were you like hiding in the woods waiting for something to come, or like, what was the situation when one actually showed up?

51:27 We would we would actually climb in trees to get out of sight. And we have observed the point of where we had to laid laid descent. Okay, how high up were you? Well? I was up at least let me see, I'm not a very good climber. So I was up about fifteen to twenty feet okay. And were you were you? Did you like tie yourself in or were you just like holding on to Well, I was in between. The branches, you know, and I was dressed in I was dressed in camouflage. Course, and uh, we we did it and we put on deer scent of ourselves. We smell like deer, and you can do that for one hundred cent, you know, And so that's what we used to help uh to kill our own scent. So basically that's what we did. And I just thought i'd share that with you before I pass on and give you some kind of ideal What was we were doing.

52:32 It's a it's an amazing story. Can you take me back to when you're in the tree and the first time you see that that bigfoot show up? What was it that you remember seeing? What on you see that come in? What what I found most fascinating about it was it was actually it was bipedal, you know. I thought it would be on all fours, are crawling along the ground like a like a regular primate or something like that. But it never went into that position. It was totally upright in a walking position. From what I could see. It never went down on all fours. It always stood up, And that's what fascinated. I thought it would go into a primate position and start running or something like that, but it was always standing up and always walking with a lot of strides, well lengthy strides. Let's just say, and Krantz he got all excited because because of the footprints was left behind. And then he had brought along the material to take foot samples, you know, to lay down the I forget the plaster casting. And he did all that, but he had he walked away with about four or five plaster casts and he took possession of him and he had a variety of them so he could compare apparently, wow.

54:04 And but he was not with you that day? Was you and the other U three individuals? Right? He was? We were there, like I say, only I only had three days. I was with him for two of the three days and that was it. And then he left on the third day because he had obligations to teach classes and stuff like that. He was not there when the sighting occurred. No, he was there. No, he was there on that day. That's why he I'm sorry sorry. Did he have a sighting? Yes he did. He recorded it and everything. He can verify that. Because see, there was a great big controversy on that, and they were saying that he he cramps was was per promoting his own theory. And we we we had said no, he saw it. We saw the same thing. We saw.

55:12 That is in man, I need to check with someone, right, So I think most people think he never saw one. Right, Most everybody thought that he was never a witness. But he he did witness. Because you were there with him. I was. I was within two hundred feet of him from a different tree angle. Yes, did he actually say to you something to the effect of I saw one? Or yeah, did you see that? Or something like that. Yeah, we got down in discussion, it said Gobert. Now Golbert was number one. A lot of people thought Grover was the crazy son of a bit, but he wasn't. Okay, no, okay by far, but go over now. He was a very scientific, He was very straight up person. And we sat around and have a cup of coffee and things like that, and we talk. He said, you know, you're going to be classified as crazy as I am. And I said, well, perhaps, maybe, perhaps not. I said, but I know what I know. And I said, I came up with this idea, and so far we've drawn in some sighting, but I'm not. We had maybe what they call a near sighting where we thought we saw something, but neither one of us could actually say yes, we

56:46 saw something. So you don't want to lie about anything like this, because if you lie, or you hallucinate, or you'd oh I want to see something like that, you become an unreliable source. So you just keep quiet, that's all. So I've taken up enough of your time. I shared my story with you, and I'll let you get back to whatever you're doing. It, Thomas, And I don't want to push, but if you have extra if you have extra time, I do have extra questions for you. This is this is a super important. I got plenty of time, but I do a lot of research my own, but not in that regard. I since that time I went and I went back to college and things like that. I was a young man back and then you know, god young man. And but anyway, go ahead with your questions. I'll answer truthfully.

57:49 So it sounds like doctor Krantz definitely had the sighting of the same creature that you had. The word were you able to see anything about its face when you saw it come in? Well? I did because I had a pair of binocular with me, because and so did Crafts. You know, let's let's not be you know, no, we both had our twenty nine nine five binoculars with us, you know, little three parts, but we did. Yes, and the other guys that was mesed, like I mentioned Derry and Rogerstone. Yes, everybody had binoculars. Not the best in the world, but they were useful.

58:36 What kind of things did you notice when you looked at the face of it through the binoculars? Well, the the what I really noticed that was they had very human like features. But it's the same time, how can I put this a primitive a primitive facial structure. Everybody knows about the Neanderthal and the chro magnum and the Java Man and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I found it more closely related to the chromagnum. Okay, okay, that's my own personal view. That's not verifiable. I'm not going to commit to anything, but my personal view of it was the chromagnum.

59:28 Look. But as far as hightwise goes, I can verify that the Son of a Bitch was like over eight foot? Oh wow? How wide were the shoulders. At least three foot three foot four foot? Maybe the dimension wise it equaled out because Crans did the calculations on it. He said, that's for for height and weight and perspective, he said, and he asked themated abound, but are anywhere from three to five hundred pounds? You know? So that was his calculations, not mine. I didn't know how how he came out with that calculation. So I was, I was. That was not my expertise. I was just a tracker, that's all.

1:00:21 So when it was coming into the area, obviously smelling what was going on, what was the emotions it had, or how was it acting? It was acting just like it was very alert. Let's just say that the constant head twisting, observing his environment around him. I guess you might. Say, but he was very aware of every sound, every movement, and that's why we went up high. But that didn't seem to have any effect on him because he was at hye level. He never suspected, or it never suspected that we were in an elevated position observing.

1:01:02 It wasn't looking Yeah, it wasn't looking up. Gotcha. When it would twist its head to have to twist its. Head, shoulder, neck or no, he would, he would the whole shoulder body would move, yes, right his his his neck racial uh moved the same time the shoulder did he couldn't twist his neck like we. Do when it Actually, when you saw it walking, did you notice anything peculiar about its gate at all? Uh? You know, beside the length maybe?

1:01:42 Uh? His steps? Uh, he cain't. We calculated what can't if I can remember at least five foot in his step length he takes a step into five foot? Yeah, No, about three four foot, four foot something between four and five foot, you know. Was it making any noise at all when it came in? Uh? No, noise, very very silent, very very silent. Uh. In fact, Uh, I'm not the very first one to spot it. H Jerry. Jerry was and he had most hand signals and in that direction. Then we pulled picked it up on everybody picked it up.

1:02:27 Gotcha? Any any smells at all when it came in? Yes, Yes, the very uh stinky, wet, skunky smell maybe, Uh, but it wasn't a skunk. It didn't smell like a skunk. It smelled like a very Have you ever smelled a wet rug or a wet mop something in that something like that? Gotch Yeah. So it gets to the area with the specimen on the old uh would Yeah? What does it do when it gets.

1:03:12 There, it it drew it in. It actually drew it in to our surprise, Okay, very very surprised that it would lure lure it in that close. And it was aware of that particular specimen because it went back, it smelled it at once, walked away and then came back and smelled it again, and then and in in our in our view. And this is just strictly my personal interpretation of it. Was yes, the experimented work, and that was the conclusion of it. He took, he was writing down in his notes and stuff like this what we had observed. And and I just, I'm just I didn't know he had passed.

1:04:12 But I'm sorry. I never kept in contact with him after my three days with him because and it's verified, well I have letters and stuff like that. But anyway, I thought i'd share this with you and your listeners, so to bring something enlightening to at the very monumental fact that they are out there. They are among us, you might say, up in higher elevations and stuff. They are, They do exist, and anyone that observes them, they're not delusional.

1:04:54 Okay, oh yeah, absolutely, I'm so lad that you called and said, did you say you have letters regarding this hole. I have. I packed them away somewhere in my and my and my old bagging and stuff. But I have my one letter where I shared it with doctor Krantz and and where I have the invitation to come up to visit him. Yes, oh wow. If you are ever want this is just to the side. But if you are ever wanting to donate anything like that that is related to Bigfoot history, I would recommend that you contact the North American Bigfoot Center Cliff Brickman's Bigfoot Museum in Boring, Oregon. They would love to have artifacts like that.

1:05:52 To be honest, this is going back to seventy nineteen seventy. They trust me. They would love it. They would adore at Thomas. Well, okay, if you, if you don't mind out, give me a couple of days to dig it out and find it. You know, it's been fifty years since this should also okay, I might do that to bring his legacy to people, to remember how great of a real man he was, a good guy. He really was. I knew it. Just to just to let you so. I just want to tell you one more thing about what happened to doctor Krantz before you go. Yeah, So he passed away on February fourteen, two thousand and two. He had given his body to science, and in you know he had that large dog, right, yeah, extremely large dog. So him and his dog were given to Science, and the Smithsonian actually took both of the bodies. And you can see I forget it where it is, but you can see the skeletons of both. And you can look this up on the internet.

1:07:09 I got my phone and that's all I need. I don't have I am not I am on computer literate. I'm old school, so this is it. But I appreciate that information. And I will give me a month or so or a couple of weeks, and I have to go through all my documents and stuff, but I will find Thomas. Thank you so much, But anyway. I get out of the way. I appreciate you allowing me to tell a story. You're a big for society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Soociety at gmail dot com, then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening.

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