Dr. Simeon Hein — Dark Matter Monsters, Bigfoot Science & the Electromagnetic Paranormal

0:00 You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the. Voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. I Big the Society. I've got the privilege of talking to doctor Simeon Hein today. Simeon is an individual that I was able to meet at the twenty twenty five Sasquat Summerfest in Oakridge, Oregon, which is awesome to meet him in person. A little bit about Simeon before we get started. He's an author, researcher, musician, and lecturer who focuses on the physics and sociology of bigfoot, UFOs, remote viewing, and other non ordinary electro magnetic phenomena, and his books and more can be found on his website which is Simeonheine dot com and I have that linked down in the show notes. But welcome to the show, Simeon.

1:09 How are you doing today, Sir Heydre Remiah, thanks a lot, Thanks for having me here today. This is so cool to be able to talk to you about your work, your interview to also plug flash of beauty. Guys, your two part interview was very instrumental in helping me work through a lot of things that I've experienced over the years and realizing that hey, it's really not a lot of people are experiencing things. Here's probably the reason why. And it's very cool you've got It's such an interesting book. It delves into the phenomena of bigfoot, UFO other things and puts the lens of fringe science onto it and maybe explaining.

1:53 Why we are where we are. Let's say, if a person was to pick up your book Dark Matter Monsters and there's a big foot right on the cover. Yeah, yeah, which is oh man, we're talking about critis, we're talking about ball lightning and the science of secret life forms, which is fantastic. But if you're just to meet someone in the street and you're talking as you do you mentioned in the book I'm talking to people that are around Colorado. How do you present what a dark matter monster is. That's a good question. And I like to listen to people's stories the way they tell them, just like you do on this podcast, and I just will tell people what I do, and if people have had experiences that seem unexplainable, out of the ordinary on the edge, I like to listen to hear what they have to say.

2:49 So I'm not trying to convert people that are not inherently interested in the topic. I'm attempting to talk to people that have had experience sometime in their life, or had a relative who had an experience, or a close friend or someone they really trust and they know is telling the truth something that's stuck at the back of their mind their whole lives that just doesn't fit the version of reality that we grew up in from our school system in Western culture, and I like to ask them about it and hear what they have to say, and that's how I can introduce my ideas about what may explain some of that. Going up now, going back to your question, if I'm talking to someone and they just don't have any interest in anything related to what we call the paranormal. It's going to be a very short conversation, but surprisingly, Jeremiah, a lot of people have had some sort of experience with what we call the paranormal somewhere. And when I'm getting my haircut or something like this and the hairdresser ask me what I do.

4:03 Most of the time people say, I'm fascinated by this subject. I love Bigfoot, I love UFO shows. What do you think is really going on? Then we're gonna have a conversation. Are there things that you listen for in conversations like that really set off the Let's say, I know I do this when I'm talking to people. They set off the bells in my head and I'm like, oh, okay, here we go. Are there certain, let's say, phrases that you're listening for when you're talking to these individuals. Yeah, I'm listening and I'm looking at body language because having been involved with remote viewing what I call resonant viewing resonance sensy. It's something that as the monitor watching the viewer do their session, certain types of body language that repeats over and over again micro movements. We call them it's a subconscious body language. They're people that probably specialize this, that work for the FBI in law enforcement, attempting to tell if people are giving them a true story or not. And it's that type of body language that I can see where the person seems to be reliving their experience to some degree as they tell it to you. Again, I think you know what I'm talking about.

5:33 You're going to hear it in the types of witnesses that you talk to, and it spans the range of paranormal phenomena. I'm including bigfoot encryptids in that category. Just whether you believe it's just a pure flesh and blood again to Epithecus Blackie, or something that has other dimensional aspects to it, it's still within our culture, fits in with that range of phenomena that is outside the ordinary set of belief systems that we're taught about. And so when people talk about these experiences, there is a degree of trauma and a degree of feeling insecure or unsafe telling the story to other people. And so that's what I can see, and that's what gets my interest going.

6:33 Is that to me is an indicator of validity of ritical. We call it a ritical type of evidence, there's some verifiable aspect to it. If we hypothetically we could verify this, if we had been there or had other means we could have seen and observed using the types of im that we accept in science and law, that the something really happened to this person. They are not just making this up fantasizing imagining, which I'm not saying that those types of experiences aren't real in their own way. But what we want is experience, is that we can agree upon what happened, and we've got that with this type of topic in space. In fact, I'm really surprised by how similar people's experiences are with a lot of these phenomena, and that's what motivated me to write Dark Matter Monsters is I kept hearing the same sorts of features and characteristics of the environment of these encounters with Bigfoot, with orbs and related phenomena, and I could see these patterns.

8:00 It led me to believe that the similarities of these experiences Jeremiah even debunkers pick up on this consistency of experience, but they use it to say humans all have the same type of brains, the brains creating the same sort of illusion that's really I think it's a cop out explanation actually, because you could say that about anything. To me, it indicates they are dealing with a similar type of phenomena wherever they are on the globe, and that's the sort of thing that I look. For that makes perfect sense. I did experience that for the first time out in Oakridge in twenty twenty four, because that's when I was really for the first time talking to people face to face, and the unitice things like the person really doesn't want to be there anymore.

8:51 They get very uncomfortable, they're yes, like they're reliving it. You've got goosebumps on their skin, of their arms, maybe their eyes are kind of change like maybe dilating the very very interesting. But you mentioned that you started to notice patterns that would come up and maybe these are they would be referred to as maybe paranormal related. But would you be able to go through a few of these patterns that you started to notice that perhaps could be explained by science. Yes, one of them. I think one of the major characteristics here is this sudden feeling of the environment changing from something that doesn't feel hospitable or friendly or conducive it's a feeling that something's not right. It verges on being a premonition, just a feeling. It could be in the forest or even in a non forested area of a change where it seems like sound doesn't propagate the same way. Colors start to look a little darker, they lose the kind of variety of hues that were used to when we see color. Things shift towards the darker end of the visual spectrum. And there are these temperature changes.

10:24 People describe it like a sudden stillness that seems to come over the area that even affects insects. And so you begin to wonder whether there is some sort of change to the structure of the environment that is affecting how electromagnetic waves and sound propagate through who ordinary mediums were used to mainly air, right, How what is going on that the entire range of our senses is shifted by the presence of these creatures or even in other types of situations with other types of phenomena, but you get the same sort of effect. Is that sounds seem different, the color seemed different, the temperature changes, usually it gets colder, and so it just goes even on a sunny day, you get this gut feeling like you should turn around and lead. And I've heard this from people that never even saw anything, but they said it affected their pets too, the pets which were normally fearless dogs. I have one of these myself, These types of dogs that don't seem

11:56 afraid of anything, all of a sudden are coming back to you, hiding behind you or running under the car, something that's really unusual for them. Now, you could make the argument, Jeremiah, if you're just like a cut and dry biologist, that this is just an ordinary response to a predator being in the area. But the reason I don't think that explanation completely explains it is because of these other physical characteristics that change in the environment that you normally don't see around ordinary mammals. Everyone probably listening has been to the zoo at some point. You don't see these things happening at the zoo. You don't see your camera start to fail, batteries draining stuff like this, the electromagnetic fits. You don't see that around ordinary mammals, just using a zoo as a good kind of environment here, but you do get it around bigfoot encounters and related phenomena.

13:03 So that's what you're looking for, and in science, that's the gold standard here is replicability, Isn't that What we're told is that repeatability. Replicability is one of the key features of what we considered to be modern science, is that different people could reproduce the same effect in a different setting, and that consistency is so strong around Bigfoot encryptids. It led me to in the direction of saying, it's not just fring science we're talking about. We're talking about an entirely different type of electro magnetism. Then we're used to ban reg because it affects devices too. You can talk to researchers to say their car batteries were affected, multiple batteries were affected at the same time in the same parking lot when I got back to their cars devices and so forth. So the fact that it can affect for the most skeptical people, you could say, the fact that affects electronic devices, which are usually so reliable, work in so many different circumstances and ranges of temperatures, integrated circuits and semiconductors, the fact that those are affected by what we're told is even if you accept just the idea, Okay, Bigfoot does exist, but it's just a rare North American would ape How would do you explain

14:35 how it just a rare mammal if that's all Bigfoot is, would affect electronics? That just simply doesn't make sense from any sort of conventional explanation. And that's how you end up in the direction that I did with my writings in my research. And so absolutely, and I think something I took away from the book that was just fascinating because I'm not super versed in the uf side as well or UAP side, and how there are similarities between witnesses and experiencers on that side and on the big Foot side as well. But I wasn't aware of all the experiences where witnesses on that side or who get in close proximity will have really powerful physical ailments happen, or maybe things that could be like directed radiation or things like that.

15:25 No, that's fascinating aspect of it, isn't it. You would not think there would be this parallel between UFOs what we now call UAP and Bigfoot. I remember going to Bigfoot UFO conferences before I was interested in Bigfoot, and you would have like one bigfoot presenter per conference, So I got exposed to it that way, and it was so fascinating that there was even some overlap between what would seem to be completely unrelated objects. But if you go back to what the witnesses say, and this goes back to the research of Stan Gordon from Pennsylvania, going back when he started as a phone answering kid for a UFO group in Pittsburgh after school UFO group, back to nineteen fifty nine, he said. When I asked him about it, he said them he started just fielding calls about UFOs, But the bigfoot encounters were there just five or six years later. Starting in the sixties, before the Patterson Gimlin film, people were reporting bigfoot around UFOs. And I don't blame people for thinking, how are these possibly related?

16:53 It seems like a real stretch, going from space aliens to woodapes. But what it's telling you, the data are telling you, is that your preconceptions about it are way too limited, that there's something bigger going on that may not easily fit in any of your mental categories. But that's what the witnesses, some of them, say they experience. You only have to read Stan Gordon's books A Silent Invasion, Creepy Cryptids, and watch some of his presentations, and you'll see that this sometimes happens where people see bigfoot, experience them in and around their homes or wherever they are, and also see orbs or just full fledged UFOs in the same area, either at the exact same time or around the same time period, again suggesting that both bigfoot in UFOs have something to do with another type of reality, another version of our own reality, a pocket that that's the way I think of it, within our reality, or maybe we're in the pocket, but it's something to do with our reality that we haven't really looked at very much.

18:12 But again, has that repeatability and those same sorts of characteristics that you just mentioned. Now, this sudden sort of fear that people experience is in and of itself, really fascinating because the witnesses I've talked to have described it in terms that you just used a few minutes ago when you asked me the question, which is it seems like a projected fear. It's a little different than that foreboding sense that people have before an encounter. This is a very strong feeling of dread and terror that people have told me they knew was not coming from withinside them, like it was being projected by the creature from the outside, because it turned off again like a light switch when the creature left, So they had these extreme levels of terror, panic, and fear. Some people describe it as the most terrifying feeling they've ever felt in their lives, and feeling of real dread, like you're about to be dinner feeling, and then it just vanishes really quickly. And so I'm not saying that this is all it is, but people have described it to me as something that's being projected onto them, almost like a type of electromagnetic or sonic weaponry from

19:45 the creatures. And then people also sometimes get this and not always around UFOs and so forth, or alleged extraterrestrials and lifeforms like that. So the question is it something and it's deliberate on the part of the Bigfoot, or is it a byproduct of their particular sort of in the loosest sense of the word frequency, It could be either or both. Listeners, this conversation is just going to be the surface of it. You will really have to dig into the book to get the whole story. But this is just going to be a really fun conversation. Do you think that you mentioned or maybe alluded to it, that there's something else going on, maybe some kind of multiverse, or do you think there could be different parts of the US that or maybe window areas or areas of high strangeness that's concentrated.

20:46 Yes, I do think it's concentrated in certain areas, But having said that, it does seem to spread out over the whole US, because there are no states without Bigfoot sightings. I was surprised even to find spending some time recently back in New York where I grew up looking on the BFRO database sightings in Westchester County where I grew up as a kid, which is just north of New York City, and then talking to people just a few weeks ago there and getting information about witnesses who saw tree structures and creatures standing at the edge of forest lines just outside of Suburbia, major metropolitan area, and even some reports right there, just twenty miles north of New York City. It seems to be. And that's just my personal case. You hear about cases on Cape cod and then Fila coming off from Massachusetts, where I used to spend time when I was a kid with my family having growing up on the East coast, says, you wouldn't expect bigfoot just because you don't have a lot of forest cover there the things that we expect to be essential to bigfoot habitat. Maybe that's mythology. Maybe they don't need those forests, and it's something that we're creating because

22:19 of our association of it being like an ape or something like this. But if they're docing top pocket areas. I gave us talk about this to the Snippy twenty five conference near Alamosa in Colorado. If people want to come to that next year, I am told it will be open to the public. It's been a private conference for the Ranch family for a few years, but that will be open next year Snippy twenty five. And the more research I did into these phenomena, the more it seemed and this is something we can go into it another time. Jeremid, I'm going to put up a video or some videos about it on my YouTube channel shortly about the geology of the planet creating electromagnetic anomaly areas from charge clusters electrically active materials like gilsonite that's beneath the u Into Basin in Utah, home of the Skinwalker Ranch and Alamosa San Luis Valley, the silica materials that naturally gather static charges, which from my perspective, coming from this perspective that I talk about in Dark Manner Monsters, and I have talked about in A Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot, the second Flash of Beauty movie that's available

23:51 online for people to watch, that there is this component to these phenomena that have to do with what we call coherent matter, a type of matter past plasmas, and this sort of gets to why we see these orbs and ball lightning and what we call mobile luminous objects anomalous light phenomena around all these different types of paranormal experiences, including people say they experience it around bigfoot Sasquatch Native Americans talked about this. So it does seem to be related to charge clusters condensed static electricity, something that science doesn't understand very well, and it seems to be related to certain areas, So there is an overlap there, and it would suggest that going back to your question.

24:57 Is it a parallel reality or is it like multiverse or and this is where I'm going with my next YouTube video about the work of Ken Shoulders, who studied exotic vacuum objects charge clusters what he at one time called electra electromagnetic vortex vortices, vortex energy evs electron vortex. Structures, later called them evos. That this creates certain changes in the sort of electromagnetic structure of the area, which is conducive to other types of phenomena electronics phenomena, and Shoulder says life forms, electronic life forms that operate different types of physics, constants that were not normally used to so jeremi, I just answer your question. He suggests that it's within our reality. It's not something I've studied extensively.

26:11 Parallel realities. Whoever at the third in the fifties creating this many World's interpretation of m WI Many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, and there are other versions of that talk about parallel realities, and I think those exist, but because they're paralleled, they don't often have much of an influence on our reality. What Shoulders is talking about is within our visual world, there's a dark world. He calls it a world of black organizations with ghostly properties. And he's not trying to be spooky there. He's actually talking from experimental research into charge clusters which he could see how a dark state and even had different like different speeds of light compared to what we're used to, which gets back to what we see around UFOs, UAP why they seem shifted into the blue spectrum and so forth, And this has been seen around Bigfoot. If you read the witness accounts, you'll see that people experience them sometimes with a blue glow around their bodies, which suggest to me that they are fifting into the blue spectrum of visual light from changes to what we call permittivity permeability,

27:47 the dielectric constant and magnetic constants that usually are fixed. They certainly don't oscillate very much. Each substance has a slightly different permeability and permititivity. But if they're oscillating and they're active, they would make things seem blurry to our eyes. And that checks a big box right there, doesn't it. Geremany was how many times have we heard the photos turned out blurry? Right? How come the photos of UFOs are all blurry? And now that we have AI in advanced video photographic editing and all this. How come it's so sharp but it used to be? Why is it so blurry? And why are all the photos of Bigfoot blurry? Right?

28:36 And all these cryptids they never quite they don't look quite right. And if you've looked at a lot of ghost photographs that people have taken, there's this blurriness to it, right, which leads to the skeptics to say it's an artifact of the camera lens and so forth. But the explanation from condensed matter physics is that blurrness is caused by what's called oscillating permittivity the dielectric constant. In other words, instead of being fixed like we're used to in the devices we're using right now to communicate and the materials around us, it could be fluctuating, which would mean to cameras and our eyes, our eyes too, it isn't going to look like it's in focus. And that's a really big one right there, because if you can explain the blurriness with this type of a discussion we're having here based on readily accepted physics, just the physics that people haven't looked at very much because it's outside the norm, then you really explained a lot, because so much of what we call paranormal seems to be blurry and have this often a blue tinge to it. And yet there are good I'm not saying this isn't necessarily correct, but there are good reasons why you see that, and people have seen it in the lab around low energy nuclear reaction, coherent energy transformations and so forth. And I suspect Jeremiah

30:11 that this is the stuff of classified government research too, because doctor hal put Off, who we knew from the Remote Viewing program at Stanford, but also has admitted to being the lead scientist on boss APP program later known as a tip from the Department of Defense, the Department of Defense UFO research program. According to James Lakatski and his book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, how put Off has said publicly a couple of times, I've been there at one of these lectures. One of them was in Las Vegas in twenty eighteen at a joint meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration and International Remote Viewing Association, both of whom I've been a member of these organizations a long time. Been to a line means so Howe gets up there and tells us that what they suspect is going on is that these craft can manipulate permittivity with meta materials that act like waveguides and effectively change their speed of light relative to us, which would cause each of them and us to be in different frames of reference in a sense, but yet together at the same time.

31:29 Now Shoulders calls that. He says, these are objects that don't completely couple into our ordinary description of reality because their permittivity is different, their speed of light is increased by the way. For those people are thinking, wait, speed of light's fixed, right, this is what we were taught. Einstein himself wrote two papers about variable speed of light in nineteen I believe there's nineteen oh seven and nineteen eleven. Around that time, nineteen oh nine, he argued there could be a veriable speed of light based on mass affecting the speed of light as it moves through the universe and stars and so forth. So he even made an argument for it, though he didn't really push that because it was enough just to go with his theories of relativity.

32:19 Was enough for him just to publicize and write about it at the time. But he said it could be variable, and that's what Hawle told us they think is going on. I'm saying the ASoP eight to programs and whatever it's called now. And this is formally classified research. So if this doesn't sound totally familiar, people, it's not your fault. This has been hidden from us because the government felt that it was it could reveal too many national security secrets to talk about it publicly. So that's as far as we got when Hall told us that, And he talked about one type of material business magnetium and so forth, layered waveguide materials that they didn't think was manufactured here on Earth. That's just another subject, but it does relate back to Bigfoot because you get some of these same anomalous blurry effects around day Foot. And one more thing, Jeremiah, is that even Stan Gordon wrote about his witnesses, mostly in western Pennsylvania, all those townships in southwestern Pennsylvania south east of the Pittsburgh area, west east of Pittsburgh, people describe the creatures looking blurry to their eyes, not even with the camera. They just said it looked blurry. And this isn't just been it's these different accounts you read about and hear people talk about they said the creatures

33:50 looked blurry, and then there are other cases where the creatures looked partly invisible right like you could only see him from the waist up. And there are other cases where people only saw huge legs and nothing above the waste. You've heard these encounters if you've listened to this in a different podcast, Huge legs out there but nobody. And then Stan Gordon takes the cake here with some creatures I'm not even sure what type of creatures we're talking about here, if it's a bigfoot or not, where there were like striped invisibility, like parts were visible and parts were transparent, and that's okay. So that checks so many boxes right there. Using this sort of idea that I'm talking to you about, permittivity, permeability, basic magnetic electa constant, that's what again led me in the direction of thinking that there's an electromagnetic aspect to all of this. It's pretty important that hasn't been studied. It hasn't been studied a lot because even bigfoot researchers, whatever that means, mainstream bigfoot researchers, if there is just say yeah, exactly, yeah, So you often hear people say, we want science to accept us, so we don't want UFOs in our database.

35:09 We know anything in weird. We just want the just the facts, man. But that's what the facts are. Is that it looks blurry some of the time, and other things like that. There's this tendency to want to normalize the subject. And I kind of laugh when I hear this front researchers who believe that if they sanitize bigfoot, it'll be more acceptable to the mainstream and then maybe they'll get funding. I understand the logic. I even heard Jeff Meldrum say this in the interview Jeff, who we all miss and who's a big researcher, very important in getting bigfoot on the map. But even in one of these interviews I heard is part of what these sort of podcast memorials to him. And I never met him, but I heard a lot about him and so forth.

35:56 I watched his presentations and so forth. But he even said just stick to and I'm not trying to criticize him, but he said to new researchers, oh, just stick to mainstream stuff until you get ten years, until you're full professor. All that stuff, and this is not right. You're creating scientific falsehoods for funding, for acceptability, for career stability, and I am sorry, but when you do that, you're selling out. That's just how Simeon looks at it. And I'm not trying to criticize other academics. I've been there. I come from a family of academics. I know that you have to play the game like in any other job, but if you do it too much, you're not telling the truth anymore. And that's what happened with the Bigfoot subject matter, is you have these academics who are just saying, look, it's real. And I was right downstairs from Grover Krantz at WSU. He's right for me in the eighties. I never met him, but I had a friend who hung out with him a lot, who was older than me, who could afford to do that, And so I wasn't a subject matter that was on my radar, even though the first ever Bigfoot conference, I'm told in the US one of the first was at WSU in nineteen eighty nine, and I didn't even know about it. It wasn't on my radar back then. But Grover Kranz was really near close by people like Grover and Jeff and others paid

37:27 a big price for arguing that Bigfoot was real. Just on the John Dinnerdegel too from Canada. Right, these people really put their effort into they've all three passed on now. They put so much of their career on the line just to say that Bigfoot was real from evidence footprints, hair samples, vocalization, and they had that evidence in spades, and they couldn't get anyone to pay attention to them for the most part, right ignored hostility and so forth. You can they all three of them talked about this, and so I get that just to argue that Bigfoot was real might lead you in the direction and say, look, we don't want to talk about the weird, spooky, wooky stuff, right what people call the woo, because we want science to accept it. I say, to heck with that. Let's just go with the evidence, let the chips fall where they will, absolutely and let's honor the witnesses who've had the courage to come forward and tell us their story, which is not always easy because they have to relive the experience, they relive the trauma. Yet so I say, the heck with science accepting it. Science didn't accept electromagnetism.

38:47 They didn't accept Maxwell or James Faraday. In the day, those guys were miserable. If you read their writings, they were considered to be weirdos believe in things that were not visible. Let go that it is a temperature. Imponderables they were called. They were not considered real. Anyone who's ever gone off in a new direction gets a lot of hostility from those who just want to count how many angels are head of a pit okay, because they want to stick with just sophistry and metaphysical arguments, while data driven people who are dealing with experiments like Faraday and Maxwell want to explain reality, and they're not popular with the older guard who want to stick with things that can't be disproved. So this is what bigfoot researchers have encountered. But look, this is what the witnesses tell us.

39:48 They're saying. And in my field, Jeremiah, in sociology, it's a cardinal sin to omit data of Oh absolutely, that's this, yes, yes, you know what I'm talking about. It's that is the strength of sociology. People make fun of sociology because it's not one of the hard sciences, but it has it's a softer science. But there's benefits to that, which is you're told from day one you are not here to edit what the witnesses tell you. It's true in anthropology too, with participant observation. You're not there to decide what's real and what's not. You're there to listen to what people are telling you and to make sense of it over a period of time without you judging what they're saying. Otherwise, you're introducing bias into the scientific process, and that's what we had happened with Bigfoot.

40:42 You're introducing it's one of the sad things. It's just a sad commentary, but you hear it and you see it a lot, and it's something I had to make a decision on a few years ago. Is Okay, I'm starting to get these weird accounts. What am I going to do? Am I going to bury it? Or am I going to let it out there? And I was like, you know what, they are experiencing something. It needs to get out there. So that's what I decided, and I've gone with it. Oh good for you. It's I think it's a huge decision that everyone needs to make on their own. But really, if one of the things I took away from your book is it almost seems like, let's say we're focusing on Bigfoot, is that they have maybe access to things that we don't have in our understanding of science. They have access to maybe or I guess dark matter to put it a certain way, and that's such a I think it's for me.

41:36 It's a hard thing to put across. But is there any way that it's able to be boiled down into a conversation that takes place on a podcast which it's just you're skimming the surface. Yes, I think there is, Jeremiah. Everyone is familiar with these little ultra cleaning devices that clean jewelry that you can get on Amazon for like thirty bucks. Ultrasonic. If anyone ever used like an ultrasonic toothbrush or had a cleaning at the dentist where they used one of those little tools that creates a little fat, doesn't hurt it just very fast vibration that goes between your teeth. Using sound to clean something, that is, when you put it into liquids, it creates something called cavitation. This is a really interesting subject. It's using ultrasonic frequencies to create little bubbles in liquids, and when those bubbles collapse, they produce a tremendous amount of energy that's called cavitation, and they seem to produce excess heat. And it's another way to generate what's called lenar low energy nuclear reactions charge clusters the way I mentioned ken shoulders before he created charge

43:11 clusters on metals and so forth with solid state electronics, little microball lightnings as he called them. There are a lot of different ways to do that, but other researchers have used water and created use sound ultrasonic energy to generate cavitation, which is, if you increase it enough, seems to tap in to some sort of quantum level bonding of molecules. And when they disassociate and come apart and they come back together again, the little bubbles collapse, they seem to create more heat than it uses initially to create the bubble in the first place, which is called excess heat. And when you start doing that, you get all sorts of interesting transmutation going on that changes elements from one type of element on the periodic chart into another element. What's called alchemy or nucleonic transmutation, and one way to do it is through high frequency sound. And there there is evidence that once you've started to generate this process, it can create a number of exotic nucleonic

44:44 quantum interactions involving neutrinos, anti neutrinos and so forth. And people that are interested in this topic what used to be called cold fusion, are interested in creating a chain reaction whereby you take that excess heat and you put it back into the reactor, into the experiment to create an infinite loop of energy. And that is where the belief and the evidence goes in the direction the debate about weather, ColdFusion, and low energy nuclear reaction, coherent energy transformations as it's now called. Is that real or not? Can you create excess heat? And once you have that xcess heat, could you feed that back in to a device or something to keep it sustaining itself for long, long periods of time and create very inexpensive energy. And you've heard this discussion before. That is where this gets into the discussion of dark matter, because there's some types of dark matter.

45:51 We've identified some types of it. People often say it's a theoretical debate, but there is evidence for relic nutrinos. You can just look on Wikipedia of all places for cosmic background radiation, and there's strong indirect evidence for small percentage of what we call dark matter one or two percent to be neutrino background radiation from the cosmos from big birth of the universe events billions of years ago. They're still coming. They're still around, these little particles from that time period, and they have gravitational effects and they seem to be involved in some of these cold fusion lenar reactions, and that's from the work of doctor Alexander Parkamov in Russia and other researchers, and so that's one way that these relic neutrinos seem to act like catalysts to spur reactions on. And they're also all of the same frequency and temperature because they were created at the same time in the universe, and that's one type of particle that could be involved in these sort of continuous self looping types of energy reactions that I think some types of organisms may take advantage of and use it in a way that just helps them survive. In the case of Bigfoot, there are number of ways in my

47:26 view that they could be generating these types of charge clusters, one of which could be through cavitation. People have heard them singing, making these very consistent humming sounds and so forth. Yes, yeah, And I'm wondering whether they use sound to generate and tap into this type of energy process that I'm talking about, some sort of natural cavitation where they figured out how to do this not in the laboratory, but right in their bodies like they do everything else. They can generate some sort of cavitation process and have access to types of energy that we don't consciously realize we could access.

48:14 Because you talk to witnesses, they talk about this humming sound around the Bigfoot. Yes, so you wonder whether they have this natural technological ability from sound cavitation, which has already been demonstrated in the lab. And it's something that you don't want to turn up too much because it can create It can create types of radiation, gamma radiation and so forth, which isn't healthy to be around. I'm not saying the Bigfoot are doing that, but at a low level you could do it safely without the radiation. And this it's a big subject, but there's an aspect of Bigfoot around gifting and their ability to morph and change materials into other things. That people have talked about occasionally even repairing things on the outside of their homes that seemed irreparable.

49:13 Or even repairing people with their health. Yeah, which is that? That just blows my mind. I don't even know how to deal with that yet. Harriet Myers has talked about that in others. Wow, healing experiences around Bigfoot. We've heard a couple of these were people who really seemed to have something really terminal were healed because and they said that they heard these sounds outside their tents the whole night. Oh. I don't have the definitive answer to this. Is One way that we can go from an animal mammal creature like Bigfoot, human, ancient human, whatever they are, into sort of exotic physics is through sound. Another way we can get there is through hair. Hair can build up static charge. And if one thing is pretty consistent across Bigfoot descriptions, it's the amount of hair that they have, sometimes very long hair, right.

50:18 I don't think that's just for decoration. Again, it's like nature doesn't waste anything, So they're walking along wherever they are, whether it's in the forest or the deserts or the mountains. They could be building up static charge which they store through their very fine hairs. The type of hair they have is a very fine type of hair, perfect for creating static charges. And once you have static build up, if you can create some charge separation and then recombine the charges in some way, you're creating charge clusters zy vacuum objects, and these changes in permittivity that we were talking about a few nits here. So those are two ways that I could think of Bigfoot doing this naturally biologically that doesn't even go beyond ordinary science. Absolutely, it's fascinating.

51:21 Thank you. You were able to boil it down rather nicely in the way that people hear that. They're like, I want to hear some more of that. Check out dark matter monsters for sure. Now there's over the years when I've noticed certain patterns in my interviews. I started to come up with maybe a hypothesis of some sorts and something that I've noticed, and I think your book might go into it a bit as well. But what I've started to notice is that when an individual will go into an area that is extremely active and they have an experience of some sort a lot of times afterwards, they will start to almost unlock abilities or have things happen everything from they might hear voices or start to have things happen around their house. And some people call that the hitchhiker effect. But does your research try to go into that at all. What people experience when they're back home and then weird things start to happen.

52:31 That is a I'm glad you brought that up here in mind. That is a really interesting aspect of all this because again, it's not just confined to Bigfoot experiences. It's the same thing happens around people who've had UFO sightings sometimes and visited some of these paranormal hotspot areas and so forth. And yeah, it's been called the hitchhiker effect that Caatsky talks about that in his books, a type of like a medical contagion. You know, it's almost like a virus, like an energetic virus you picked up transported back home. I don't think it's literally a hitchhiker effect.

53:13 I don't think anything has attached itself to you. What's happened is you've been exposed to another energy field with a different permittivity than what you're used to, and it's caused some of your own permittivity to start oscillating a bit. So the experience has changed you so that you're perceiving a wider range of frequencies than you did before the experience. And now that you're perceiving a wider range of frequencies, you're seeing more of what's out there that was there the whole time, but you didn't interact with it or see it before. Because this is something that's it goes back to so many types of encounters, even people that have encountered orbs in the road driving their car. There's a case about this, the day case that Andrew Collins writes about in his book I Think The New Circle Makers or something starts off as a book about crop circles.

54:18 By the way, we saw some of these types of effects around crop circle something I was involved in researching since two nineteen ninety seven. And Collins talks about the day family just encountering I forget the color of the orb, whether it was bluish or something on the road on the outskirts of London. They have missing time. When they come back, a couple hours are missing. They drive home and then they have these types of experiences around their homes, see shadow people, hear voices, change their lifestyles in very interesting ways, become very concerned about the ecology of the earth.

55:01 They quit smoking and drinking. Really a transformative effect. And this often happens with Bigfoot experiencers too. And look, I'm not claiming to completely explain all this, because it's really strange. Sometimes people drive home from locations that seem far away on the highway yet and the Bigfoot is back there at their home the same night. They see them out their window. The pets are starting to act strangely and stuff, And it's just stretching your ability of what you could believe if something was running all the way to get back to where these people are. Not saying that's impossible, but it does raise a lot of questions because yes, people have this sort of experience, they see riptids back in their home. Now going to the extreme, like Lakatski talks about in skin Walkers of the Pentagon, those researchers from analysts as he calls them, from DA some of them, as he says, battle hardened veterans of combat go out to Skinwalker Ranch as part of the OFFSET program when Big Low owned it, and they experience orbs and strange

56:31 creatures out there and so forth, UFOs. They go back to their comfortable Maryland suburbs only to see cryptids. And I think Lakatski's talking about dog men type cryptids back in Maryland. That's pretty far away from Utah. You've ever driven it. It's far away, So what is going on? This is why Lakatski describes it like it can tagent something that spreads it kind of medical analogy, because these people were not talking to their families what they had been doing because us AT, I believe, was a special access program. I don't think it was something that they were at liberty to talk about. There was some classification involved.

57:24 And yet they claimed that their wives and kids started seeing these dogment two in the backyards, and even the friends of the kids started seeing them around. So that would suggest that your frequency has been changed by being out at Skinwalker Ranch. Your permativity or some aspect of your the physics that makes up who you are has been changed, and now you're resonating in a different frequency and you're affecting other people. So I could see why they use that analogy. But I don't think it's literally any entities attaching themselves to you. I think it's you've had a new experience and it's changed your ability to perceive and interact with what's already out there, and that becomes this cold fusion analogy we were using a few moments ago. Like with XS heat creating a self sustaining reaction, it's like that, but with information, it's created a self sustaining reaction that you're participating in. Two. That's my interpretation of Jeremi.

58:44 It's a really cool it really is. Do you think that? And this is just me thinking out loud. There could be no answer for this, but do you think that change that happens to witnesses could be permanent for some and for some others it just goes way eventually and ya back to normal. Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think in many cases it just goes back to normal. I know people like this. I'll give you an example of this, okay, and I have permission to talk about this story. I had a friend from Arizona come visit me and Boulder while I was working on Dark Matter Monsters. I was literally putting the book together. We hadn't seen each other in ten years. We used to do remote viewing together.

59:27 She just thought it'd be be fun to come and visit and talk about the remote viewing, spend a whole time together, hang out and talk about what we had learned from our VW and go over our sessions and things from the pastes. So I told her about writing the book. She wasn't a believer in bigfoot. She told me later that she thought people like you and me were like weirdos who believed in this stuff, that sort of idea that we were just making this up. And yet she went. She didn't tell me that at the time, but she told me later. I didn't hear from her for quite a while after she left, and then I get a communication that she had big foot encounters around her family's summer cabin in northeastern Arizona, in that area Mangian Rib area, and it started to intensify. She started seeing the tree structures, which she thought were just built by boy scouts in the past. She took photos of them.

1:00:32 They were like the typical teepee structures with a lot of sticks, and she heard the whooping sounds which she had always attributed just to some forest sounds from animals, even the smell, the kind of a wet dog smell out the window. And this is in the forest, just in a town at the edge of the forest. And then it intensified and she went back one time, and the way she described it was she was doing a meditation and all of a sudden, the meditation felt too good, it felt too strong, like something was helping her with the meditation. She opened her eyes and saw a huge sasquatch staring right at her through the picture window in a crouch position. She said it was taller than she was crouched squatting. It was five or six feet high, and when it stood up, when they made eye contact it, she said it was twelve feet or more. And it was so terrifying for her that she just she felt a whole range of emotions and feelings. And it was this real strong eye contact that people described the witnesses you have on the show and you're familiar with. It's like you're not looking at an ape. You're looking at a person with a kind of sense of mental cognition, like they know what you are, you know what they are.

1:01:59 It's like cloking up person with a lot of hair, and she it was such a mixture of terror and wonder that she just fled into the car and didn't even take her laptop, turn out the lights or lock the door like in a movie. She just didn't know what to do. So she went from being a total non believer, and then she talks with me, this author who's writing a book, then goes home and just state, goes to the family's vacation place and starts seeing the tree structures and hearing sounds, goes back and then has this very close contact, maybe one hundred feet away, which is so terrifying for she never goes back to the cabin and they sell it. So I have always wondered, Yeah, so that's the my world is just talking about it to people. Did it lead to the encounter? Did it get her to be curious and now she's a little more open minded. She did play around with their tree structures, and I'm wondering whether that got them to come closer in.

1:03:12 But that is what we're talking about her how extreme this can be. So is that a type of contagion effect? We're just talking about it led to the I don't know if we don't know the answer to these questions. Another quick antidote, I had a friend who read the book one of the first copies after they came off the printing press, and she told me she had never had very much interest in big book, but all of a sudden, she started having very realistic dreams about them after reading the book. So you could say if she was just imagining thinking about it, or did it change her in some way to come in contact with the subject and really read a book about it, and all of a sudden her dreams change where they seem very lucid like almost real. So those are just yeah, those are just two examples right there where just talking about it, thinking about it leads to either some very close encounters or dream encounters. Jeremiah, it's a good question. We don't totally know the answer. For some people it just goes back to normal. Now, there are those people that never want to think about it again because it was too scary.

1:04:27 I know those types of witnesses. They just don't want to think about it. It scared them. They weren't believers. They encounter these creatures just on a nature walk and just terrified them. So going back to your question, the weird things that happen around what about the mental telepasy. Okay, that is a commonality with alleged extraterrestrials who that were in these craft uap UFOs and sasqua. You've heard this time and again. We even heard it from Les Stroud, remember his Survivorman Bigfoot series on YouTube. He just did Survivor Man and then yeah, so he's I mean, he was one of the early people that got me really interested in the topic, just as he was just an outdoors person, didn't really had no interest in the subject.

1:05:21 But here's something. During the filming monkey chat or something, gets curious and starts going to these hot spot places. And finally in the bonus episode, he goes out to Portland area, Portland, Oregon, and he's out there, they see orbs and he gets this telepathic contact, which he found disturbing. It was so disturbing he said he went to a psychiatric professional to make sure he wasn't cracking up. And you've heard this before. People wonder what the heck that mind talk? So that is the type of thing. Going back to the earlier part of our discussion here about parallel realities, does it lead to some lead through of is it a mechanical type thing where they can literally project some frequency into your brain that's a possibility like the infrasound idea and so forth. Or is it like they occupy another reality the way Ron Moorehead describes in his encounters at the Sierra Camp, right, and there the flash of beauty. People are coming out the crew. They're producing a movie about the Sierra Sounds. They had a Kickstarter, it was funded. They've been working on this for a couple of years. They were out there in the Sierra Nevadas filming and there is going to be an entire first documentary ever about the Sierra Camp, going back to

1:06:55 the Johnson Brothers, even before Ron Moorehead was up there, going back to the fifties. And I believe it was the fifties because I've seen a little preview of it and he yeah, people are familiar with Ron Moorehead the Sierra Sounds, Right, it's a classic for those of us interested in this subject. But if you talk to Ron, he wasn't looking at physical creatures. He actually never saw them, except I believe one time at a distance they were invisible. So this is someone who's experienced them. I believe most of his nine trips up to the Sierra Camp on horseback. And yet he says you couldn't see them. You'd hear the sounds. We've all heard the Sierra Camp recordings, right, it's on YouTube, it's on the internet, right outside the hunting structure. Oh, when I've talked to Ron, he said they should have cast shadows. We could have seen the shadows in the cracks between the logs that were used to make that hunting structure. And there were no shadows.

1:08:00 You pop your head out, you didn't see anything. Plus the other weird sound phenomena they had inside the hunting structure, sounds like gods and things like that over the structure. Plus all the weird light phenomena in and around the hunting structure, like one time you said there was something like a Star Wars like lightsaber moving through the forest. So these all kind of go together. This is what the witnesses tell us. The best witnesses, the Ron Mooreheads who brought up skeptics, deliberately brought up skeptics to try to disprove what they were seeing up there, and the skeptics said, no, it's real. We're seeing the same thing, we're hearing the same thing. So these are people with multiple encounters. And now we're going to have a film about it documenting it apart from Ron's great books about it, Quantum Bigfoot and his first book about the Sierra Sounds themselves.

1:09:01 And this is what this is. What we have in the record of evidence is these types of encounters. So there are just a lot of aspects to it. But I'm just thinking, I don't know if Ron has ever We should ask Ron sometimes did he experience a hitchhiker effect? That's a great question. I never heard him talk about that. I never heard him talking about it. I don't think he ever mentioned it. So this doesn't have to This doesn't have to be inherently spooky. It's not like it has to follow you home, but sometimes it does. It seems to quote unquote follow you home. But again that goes it goes back to more of these electromagnetic analogies, the non ordinary type of electro magnetism. Let me just use this type of analogy, Jermia. You've heard about cases of the UFO's magnetizing non magnetic material. Would that's what it's like? Okay, you've been around something that's at another frequency, whether it's through charge clusters from building up static charge on their fur or sound cavitation or however they're doing.

1:10:10 This could be multiple methods. It's just like the UFOs are capable of creating magnetization of non magnetic materials. You're getting this sort of electro magnetization of what you generally thought was non electromagnetic structures around your home, around your yard, just the ordinary biological plants and fauna of nature that it's having. I'm not saying it's like a direct type of magnetization to me. Don't you think it seems it doesn't an analogy, right? Yeah, absolutely what I think it is.

1:10:57 I think it's closer to that. You also get that by the way around culfusion lenar experiments, that magnetization of plastic and stuff just materials in the lab. So get the fact that you see this across different subjects. Again, it's just a big clue that it's some fundamental underlying alternate type of electromagnetism, like alternate interpretation of Maxwell's equations that still preserve a symmetry, but it's a different type of symmetry like a fractal symmetry that it doesn't violate the laws of electromicisms, but it just leads us into a different direction that we normally don't think about a lot because we live in a very corporatized type of society which just commodified electromagnetism, right, It's turned it into something that's packaged and sold by the why exactly, And so though the powers that be and the ones that create the networks, and then the early electrification companies also created those networks that became the three basic TV networks, they just institutionally had an agenda to keep people focused on the price of consumption and ordinary stuff that keeps their businesses going. And this would be why we haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about these alternative types of electrimagnetism. But I think when you looking at

1:12:30 this way, yeah, I think that's what it is. And I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm not even creating confedracy theory. I'm just saying the institutions that we've had for a couple hundred years had a profit motive which kept them focused on getting our attention on screens and speakers that basically sold their sorts of products and their types of entertainment and so forth, because the early TV networks also created their own shows. So you can see the link back between the type of media you and I have been exposed to since we were kids, all the way back to the original company's Westinghouse, JP Morgan, people that funded the electrification of the United States. And that's why these yeah get it. So that's why this stuff seems weird.

1:13:25 It only seems weird is because we haven't been exposed to the alternative interpretations just because the people that were delivering the media to us didn't feel it was in their institutional interests to go in this direction because it didn't increase the sales of their products, whether it be sports or entertainment, whatever. And that's why it seems so superficial when you look at our media. Until the advent of the Internet just recently a couple decades ago, I think YouTube started when after it was at two thousand and six or so seven, we haven't had this democratization of media where we can talk like this and share information right on an equal playing field with major media.

1:14:14 I think the good news is and all of this is that we have a lot of access to a lot of podcasts and information like yours, like others, where we can hear what people have been experiencing and give them the respect they deserve the time of day to listen, what did you see? What did you hear, and not just tell them you saw a bearer, you saw a pack of dogs, blah blah blah. They saw something really weird and we should just get over and accept it. I'm not saying I can completely explain all of this. I don't want to get people the impression we're explaining this away. I'm not a reductionist. I'm just saying there's an angle on it that can give us some information about what we're dealing with. We really don't understand who these life forms are. What they're interest with us is where they lived. Actually most of the time, how do they do what they do? I think we've, like you're saying at the very beginning, like we can cover the surface of it a little bit exactly, but there's such a long way to go. But the first step, Jeremiah, is just to admit it's real. It exists. You could step out your door in most places now and encounter something we don't even know what you encountered.

1:15:27 I think that's a great way to summarize it. But Simeon, You're right, it's like this is just scratching the surface for so many listeners. And I hope that this will they'll go out check out your book and really dive into it. But I feel like this is a conversation we could go on for hours, but at this thing, I'm just I've been trying. I've been wanting to have you on for years, and I'm so glad you're able to come on. But do you mind spending a few minutes about how people can keep up to date with what you're doing and things that they want to check out that you've put out there. Oh? Sure. I have a whole number of websites. Some are just devoted to remote viewing training. You can do somehe bit at home on your own. Occasionally. I have live classes that I do on Zoom if people want to try RV for themselves. Just one little tiny aspect of what we've been talking about today, I have this Rvmini Class dot com site where you can see if what it feels like to actually get non local information.

1:16:32 It's just one component of everything we've been talking about today, but it's just the part that people can experience on their own, in their own home or wherever they are. So my blog is the Crystalmind dot Com. I started that a good long time ago. We're coming up on sixteen seventeen years of keeping that blog going about all these different sort of topics. I have a YouTube channel where people can just put my name in and you can find my YouTube channel and where I just discuss these topics. And I have a Patreon page Dark Matter Mysteries, where I'll post special things for viewers and members and stuff.

1:17:13 So those are a couple different ways that you can stay in contact and we can communicate. And the goal here is just to increase the amount of information we have that we're sharing with each other. And I think together we're all going to figure this out just the way to the evidence. The fact that we can all share it so really is really encouraging. One hundred percent. Doctor Simon Hin, thank you so much for coming on the show. We'll have to definitely keep in touch. Hopefully our paths will cross again sometime in the future, but thanks again for coming on. Thanks Jeremiah, talk soon. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or a National park ranger, a forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you

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