East Texas Sasquatch around the Cabin | Texas | Colorado | Archives

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1:08 Thank you, all right, Big Faciety, We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who contacted me from East Texas. His name is Chris. How's it going tonight, Chris? Pretty good? How are you doing? Oh? I'm doing great, Chris. I can't even talk about stuff that's coming up for twenty twenty four. Man, it's going to be awesome. I got stuff going on, but I am beyond excited to talk to you tonight. We've been trying to think get this set up for a little bit of time, and it does sound very interesting. Without any further ado, I'm just going to pass it right over to you, Chris, and feel free to share what you are experiencing in your area awesome. I bought this piece of property outside of Avenger about it's gone a four years ago. That's got a little spring bed creek through the middle of it with some pretty good sized spring pools. Obviously all the wildlife, deers, the big cats, everything else we've got out there. These are old creeks, so they've been coming here for years and years. A whole bunch of wildlife out there. And of course I'm from East Texas, so I've lived here in East Texas. I've hunted these woods my entire life.

2:12 I'm fifty three now, so I know all but everything we have out here. But since I've gotten this piece of property, I've never seen it. But I have heard so many different things. I can't tell you what they are. For example, one thing about this property that I wanted to do. I wanted to when I got out there to build the cabin. Wanted to do everything by hand, old school, so that it's what I tell people. I want to look like a Norman rock Wall picture when they come down there. So that being said, I set me in ten up out there and everything else. So while I'm working, I've got a place to be. So a few nights of the week I would stay out there while I'm clearing brush and things like this. And that's when I started noticing something not normal. And what would happen would be the first thing I would hear was being out there in East Texas like that. It's so quiet. You can drop a Q tip on the floor and hear it. It's so quiet at night out there.

3:05 And I would hear a tree knock and I've never heard these anywhere in my life, and it was three knocks. You can tell it's wood on the side of a tree. It's unmistakable, that's what it is. And for the first night I heard it, and I heard it, I thought the world did I just hear And then a few hours later I heard it again. I didn't think too much of it, to be honest, And a few nights went by, and then I stayed out there again, and sure enough, every night that I would stay out there, I would hear that, and I never could pinpoint what it would be. I would try to shine the light out. I'd try to go out there the next day and look at it things like this. I cannot figure out what it was. This rock's along for I don't know a month or two, and one night I'm out there and I hear a house. Now, when I first bought this property, there was only another house at the end of this county road. And we're in the thick woods out there now, and they're off the grid. I'm not really off the grid, but they're way up by themselves and stuff, so there's nothing else around. But it's really good hunting land still. I have tons of deer and everything else coming through there. Big cats, bobcats, you name it, all coming up in there. For that spring pool, and so this one particular night I heard how. And I know we have all the coyodes obviously. I know we have the small red wolves, and we even have some gray loafers that a lot of people don't think we have down here, which is a wolf. But I know for a fact we do because I've seen it, and I know what they sound like. I know what the

4:36 big cats sound like when they screaming. I know what the bobcat sounds like. I know what the screench owls, all that everything sounds like. This was a very deep, long, very vocal, and loud howl with almost a growl sound in it, and I've never heard that in my life. I listened to it, and I just when it started, I sat straight up and then I listened. I'll listen until it quit. Then I listened for anything else. I don't hear anything else. Well, that was new. So this rocked on about five months while I'm building the cabin. Different times i'd be out there at night, I'd hear these things. And I've heard that how probably four times now now over the period of almost four years that I live out here. We used to have a very large hog population out there, but the county of the state one or two had spent some money to try to get the population down, so they hired some hunters to come in and take the hogs out, and they're down.

5:42 They took about eighty percent of the night, I would say of that general area. So since the hog population dropped, I've noticed two things. I've not heard the howl anymore. I've not heard the tree knock anymore. And I've not been seeing the big cats anymore either. Obviously they were coming up using that as foods or whatever. This is now, during all this time, you could hear At times, we could be four or five of us sitting out on the porch of the cabin. I forgot it deal. We can be sitting out there just having a good time talking, listening to music or whatever, and you can hear something walking close by, and we'll turn everything off and listen. You can definitely hear and it's a large bipedal and like a human walking. And then when we all try to get real quieted, it get quiet, and we'd talk a little bit and still listen, and you can hear it walk around with it. You can shine the light all you want all that long I don't care what kind of light you you just never can see anything.

6:39 And this happens on a pre record basis. I'm out about working in different areas of the country all the time. My son and friends or stuff will go up to the cabin and things like that, and everybody that's ever been there has heard this. Matter of fact, I've got people that refuse to go back to the cabin now because they hear that walking around out there and they can't figure out what it is. My son is in there one night and he's got the little fire going, and he's sitting in the little living room there talking on the phone to his girlfriend and actually has her on speakerphone, and then all of a sudden, you hear something really loud. He said, something really loud slapped the back corner of the cabin, real loud, and it's loud that when his girlfriend heard it, she said, what was that.

7:23 He said, I don't know. Something hit the cabin. So then he thanks, wait a minute, Dad's here trying to pull a trick on me or something. So he calls me, hey, where are you at. I was in I think Wisconsin at the time or Minnesota at the time, and he says, definitely, wasn't you. Something hits the back corner of the house. He goes out over the gun, the light and everything. He never can see anything. He can hear a bipedal walk after a little while, but not right away. He didn't hear it, so he never could pinpoint what it was. So then we got to thinking, Okay, we've got somebody sneaking down here, because it's a new place. Somebody's coming down here, probably didn't know you were here. Maybe they're gonna try to break in still gun or whatever. So we started really watering for that kind of thing. And a human I don't know how to say this politely, but they're not real smart if they're a crook to begin with. So they're gonna walk through sand, dirt, mud, something, They're gonna leave tracks, they're gonna leave the trace of some kind. Well, we never got a trace of any kind.

8:20 And to get into that property the way it is, because I left it very wooded except for just to write the near area around it, just enough of a firebreak around and things like that, you would have to go. If you're gonna try to come in there at night, there's no way you're gonna walk through these woods without just getting tangled up in bines and bryers and everything else, and you're gonna have a light and you're gonna get tore up and hurt. There is no evidence of anybody coming through brush or anything around the surroundings of it. And then every other way you have to come in, there's area you will cross sand or mud or something. We have no footprints or anything out there, so it's not a person coming down there messing with us. We rolled that out pretty quick. And besides that, nothing was ever locked up and nothing ever stolen. We've got steel chainsaws and things like that setting out unlocked, and if somebody would have been coming down there, then they would have picked that up and run off with it. Nothing come up missing, so it's not a person coming down there.

9:18 And then at times you can be sitting out there and this happened once. The last time, about I'd say about three months ago, my son and I were sitting on the porch talking. We both came up here about the same time. We were sitting out there just talking. It just got good and dark and almost a rotten egg wet dogs smells you've ever smelled all of a sudden drifts through there and I'm looking at my son, what in the world is this? And then within a minute that smell just drifts on off. There's no wind blowing. So it wasn't like there's people near me now that have bought property near me now, and that it's not like that there was their septic system or something to use got the smell of that or something, because there's no wind at all.

10:03 Now. This has happened several times. And one other thing, I will say that since the people bought the sixty acres across the road from me, they cleared out a lot of the timber and made a lot of pasture out there. He's got a few cows and a horse and stuff like that, and he keeps out there. And since that has happened and the hog population down, I've not been hearing how But I tell you one thing that was very interesting that happened. My grandson comes out there and stuff. I'm really keep an eye on that creek, make sure there's no snakes and things like that. If I know he's coming out there, I'll check it all out and things like that real good. And this particular day, I find a pretty good size, probably about a threur and a half with watermoksking. And so I shot it and killed it, and I was working, so I just took a raak and tossed it up on the far bank for right now while I was finishing the work I was doing. And I got done with it and then went back over there. And of course it's dead shot.

10:57 It with twelve games, has no head on. It can't crawl around this five or six hours later. And the reason I'm telling you that is because so later when I tell you what fixing to happen, you'll know that snake didn't move on the song, just from its muscles. I went back over there, and I took the rake and I pick it up, and I carrid to the back of the prop. And there's a place back there where the hogs would get down and wallow in the mud in the summertime and things like that to get them weft to cool them off and things like that, and then they would scrape on the tree to get that stuff cleaned off of them. So I tossed that snake down in there close to where that mud pit was that since they hadn't been in there in a little bit it was dry, so I tossed it over in there. Now that thing landed upside down in a muddy area, just like a little one foot on one foot little money patch. Thanged in and then pretty much the leaves it all falling around here there and everywhere.

11:47 The next day, my son and I said, let's go back there and see if the hogs came back and ate that snake. So we come back there and the snake is not there. So I all the hogs got it, and we get to look around, but there's no evidences anywhere, and then we see the snake. It's three feet from where we dropped it, and you can still see the indention in the mud where it laid upside down in the mud. Now it's about three feet away. It's setting right side up on the little ledge, almost like it crawled there. But I shot it with a twelve gage with buckshot, and it laid in one spot for about six hours before I took it back there and threw it down, So that wasn't muscle contraction or anything caused the snake met. The interesting thing was in that mud close to where that snake lay, you can still see the scales on the top side of the snake go upside down, you can see it looked like a barefoot print.

12:40 In other words, like if you didn't have your shoes on, you step in the mud, your heel and part of the left side or the right side of your foot, either with its left foot or right foot, you can see that invention in the mud. Of course, the toe area was overleafs, so you couldn't see any of the toe marks or anything. And I asked my son, we're the only to there, so you come back here earlier or something of that shoes on. No, I ain't been out here about my shoes on. For no reason. We got a heelprint in there, and it's not really large, but it's definitely a heelprint in half of a foot because we thought what any world, I don't even know what to think, but I guess over the entire period of time, we've probably had a total of twenty run ins with whatever's making these sounds. As far as hearing the footsteps, the walking, the smells, say the how I've heard four times, and each time I hear it, I stopped that still and I listened long and hard at that howl and because I first time I heard it, I thought, let me try to figure out where it came from. And then after I realized, this is something I don't know what is, and I started really trying to listen to it so I know it if I hear it again. And so anyway, it just this, I've never seen at all whatever's making this sound. But we definitely have something in those woods that different. That's not I was fishing to say, not native these Texas, but it could very well be native these Texes. I don't know.

14:07 But and this is one thing here that's most people, have you ever seen a wolf in the wild? And most of everybody you ask will tell you, yeah, I know wolves exist, but no, I've never seen one. Never got a wolf on a trail camp either. You get caddies on a trail camp all the time, but you never get a wolf on a trail camp hardly ever, because they're very keen and very smart. So my thing is that there's a wolves out there that I know for a factor there, and you can talk to Texas Park from Wildlife Vision and they'll tell you for a fact they're there as well. And you've never seen them. Doesn't mean they're not there, They're still there. So we have something that's here that's very familiar with the woods.

14:48 And I know, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to call it as a thing. My little properties called bigfoot springs because we got all them springs out there there. And then my grandson when he comes up there, he tells me, Paul, I'm on, I'm gonna set big foot traps. So I don't know if he's ever set a big foot trapping on, but if I've ever disappeared, y'all, come look out there. I might be in a big foot trap somewhere that he's made. But there's something out there. And here's the thing about it. I've been up in Colorado before, and I've encountered Grizzly Bear up there for Brown Bear brother at a pretty close distance. And before I ever saw it, my senses knew it was there. The hair on the back of my neck stood up, and my adrenaline starts pumping. And I've never seen it, never heard it that I knew it was there, and I knew it was in trouble.

15:39 Big for society, who would be right back after these messages? I knew it needed to get out of it. There. My dad spent the last twenty three years of his life in Lincoln, Maine, up on the mountaintop. So I got up there one time and I encountered the bull moose and the same thing before I ever saw that bull moose and knew he was there, same thing, My senses knew he was there. I knew I was in trouble. But whatever this is, I don't feel threatened in any kind of way. There's no worry of my hair on the back of my neck. Doum stand up. There's no worry am I going to be attacked or anything like that.

16:30 I've got a bigger fear of the hogs than whatever whatever this is. I don't know. It's pretty interesting. I'd like to know what it is. I've put out game cans, and I've caught everything under the sun on my game cans, everything else except whatever this is. I walked out the back door of that cabin going to the smoker, which is fifteen feet away from the back door, twenty feet away from the back door, and just on the other side of the smoker stands one of them on my panthers, and she's standing there looking straight at me broadside, twitching her tail, and I knew not to get near her. I knew there would be danger with her if I got near her, but I wasn't too worried about her. But whatever this is, it's definitely different. I don't see it to be a harm harmful to me in any kind of way, Unlike everybody else, I'd like to know what it is.

17:17 You're really having some interesting things going on that property. You'd sent me a write up of what you're experiencing earlier, and I just want to make sure. Are there any other things that you've been hearing that are out of the ordinary besides howls. I've heard the howls. I've heard the tree knocks. And you know how when a deer bleats that little sound it makes. I've heard something like that. And I do have several those that bring their farms down every year, and so I know what they sound like when they're communicator back and forth doing what they do in the buck, even when he makes the sound he makes. But there is another sound that I heard one day that I put off as probably squirrels because I couldn't I didn't hear it long enough to be able to get a good enough, you know, lock on it to really tell what it is. But it's almost like a I don't even know how to describe it. Have you ever heard chipmunks chattering or squirrel chattering and stuff and the sounds that they make. It's almost like that it was a night time and that was pretty.

18:27 Odd as well, like chipmunk chatter. I'm sure it sounds like you're familiar a little bit with things in the bigfoot community, or maybe you're not. I guess I could be assuming that, But have you ever heard the Sierras sounds at all? So what sounds? I don't guess. So now we do have Jefferson not far away from us, It's probably a twenty mile drive from where I live that they have the it's some kind of a big foot well I don't mean, I'm trying to think of what they call it, some kind of big foot to gathering where they talk about it, trade research things. I would be really interested if you were to look up the recording of the Sierra Sounds and just so that I'm curious if it's similar to what you heard.

19:11 So the Sierra Sounds were recording made by Ron Moorehead in the nineteen seventies out in California, and allegedly is recording of Bigfoot talking back and forth with each other and it almost sounds. Another name for it is samurai chatter. Once you hear it, you'll be like, this is probably the weirdest thing I've ever heard in my life. If you could after this, I would be really curious what your thoughts are when you hear that one. Yeah, I'll definitely look it up and listen to it. How loud is that? When you would hear that weird the noises? Was it really loud or the sound of a normal chipping? The chatter? How that chatter?

19:52 The only one time I heard it, it was I would say it was within fifty feet of me, so it was. It wasn't like it was a screech loud. It was more of just a low, normal kind of a tone that whatever's making into normal tone it would make, not like it was distressed or anything like that. But since I've heard that, I've not heard it all since. But now the howl. The first time I heard the howl, now, that was before both the people had one neighbor that bought property across the road and one neighbor that bought properly on the same side of my road that backs up to my fence line. Now before they got there, i'd say the first two hols were i would say within one hundred yards or less, extremely loud, close enough that I went out the next day both times and looked around to see if I find any kind of evidence of any kind see what it was. I found nothing.

20:47 Now the second two times i've heard it, it's been further down in the river bottom the creek bottoms down there, because, like I say, they cleared a lot of property, both of them did, and put homes there and stuff like that. Whatever it is has moved further back down in the creek bottoms, and since the hog population has go under down, like since they've hunted them down, I haven't heard it since. I bet once you clear out that that food source. When you heard the howls, sometimes people can describe when they hear something like a howl, They'll see I could almost tell what the size of the creature was that was making the sound. Did you get a feel as to how big this creature may have been that was making a howl sound? Or it was hard to gauge that.

21:30 Oh no, you could gauge that pretty good, because have you ever been in the woods and heard a bear growl or or not how but growl or basically roar in the woods. Have you ever heard that? No? Okay, if you've ever heard that, anybody that's ever heard that, you can tell. Or if you've ever heard a panther or a big cat of any kind a scream at you, you can tell the difference in the size of the pantom size of the bear just by it. And I would say, whatever's making this howl would probably be bigger than a good sized brown or grizzly bear. That would just be a guest. I don't know, but just listening to it, it's got a lot of it's got a lot of force behind it. It's pretty serious whatever it is.

22:13 Sure, it's probably similar to like when you're at the zoo and you hear the lion roar and you're like, Okay, that's that creature's a lot bigger than the otter. It's a pretty bad guy over there. Yeah, yeah, I can I know what that's like. Oh, that's wild. So you've mentioned that your neighbors were clearing some property clearing some wood out. Have you ever talked to your neighbors to ask them if they've ever experienced anything weird or noticed anything out of the ordinary. They've both, at different times come to me and asked me what it was the last two hous that I've heard, and I'm I'm in and out all the time, that it could be going on some more that I don't know right now. I'm down south of Houston right now, so I'm not up at the cabin. They could be happening more often than I know. But at both times, they've both, at different times come to me and ask me, have you ever heard something sound strange? And I know what they're getting at, and I'd be like, what are you talking about? And said, now we heard this, how what is that? Is that like a big wolf or something.

23:13 They've heard it and they can't figure out what it is either. Matter of fact, Anthony, he has a lot of guns and stuff. He likes hunting things like that, and it disturred him pretty good one night. Everybody around there has heard it, but like me, nobody knows what it is and what's making it. Going back to the footprint that you saw in the hog area with the snake fear to remember, do you remember any dimensions of how long the footprint probably was or yeah. We had laid a dollar bill on the ground by it, and the dollar bill was about the length of the hill. Was the dollar bill, So it was least the length of two maybe two and a half dollars bills placed Indian Just based off of how the hill looks, based off how my heel looks, that would be a pretty good guath of how big it was. But if you look at where the hill was and the way it was, if you walked up and you squatted down to pick something up and put it somewhere, it really looks like something squatted down right there and picked it up and set it up on the ledge where it was like it looked at it and set it up there. But I don't know, that's just yess. I couldn't tell you because I didn't have my cameras up to the game gins up that night, so I don't know. And I do know we have honey bearers in that area because just north of me, oh what is about fifty miles up around the Clarksville area. Things like that up in northeast Texas, there you have a very large population of little small black bears and honey bears there, and we do have them migrating down. Matter of fact, over on

24:46 the Lake of the Pines. One of the stores out there had an issue with trash being torn out of their dumpster, so they put a camera to figure out what's getting trash out of the dumpster, and they've got some really good video one of the little black bears going in there pulling a bag out the open, trying to find something to eat in it. So I know we have him through my ear because where he's at where that was taken south of where my property is, and then they're from a little bit further north of me, so I know they're coming through there. And then my son and I talked about that, and I told you to think it was the backfoot of a black bear, but you look at one of the largest black bears that we have in Texas, engaged that the largest back foot based on that dollar bill laying by the hill that we took the picture of his whole back foot is the size of the hill of whatever this was of the black bear. So we ruled out pretty quickly was the black bear and that's some kind of way a Kodiak bearer down down here or something, which I don't think that case. We'd have a lot of cattle coming up missing or right.

25:45 And combine that with the knox you've been hearing and the howls, I would say it's probably not a bear that you're experiencing on your property for sure. Have you ever put out any audio recorders around your property? No, I haven't, but I've thought about several times, you know, talking to people in the area and seeing if I could, you know, go back on the properties and follow the creek bottoms down to the river and stuff like that, and just you know, see what I can come up with and things like that. I just you know, work and everything else. I haven't done it yet, but I will tell you something that's pretty interesting. Now. This is just me assuming, So I don't know for a fact that you know, I bought men in Duro motorcycle just to ride the back rooms up there one of my cabin So it's just real nice. You take off out me eat and everything. She's so beautiful up there.

26:33 And every single time I go out, I see a guy he's on his four wheeler riding along and he's got cameras mounted all over his handlebars, and it goes out and sometimes I go down there there in my truck or something going somewhere. Every evening you see that man riding with the camera's on there, And I've wondered several times if he's seen or heard something and he's riding around looking to see if he can see or hear something again, because I've never see anybody people that are like the millionaires. They're doing their flips and racing and they're doing all this kind of crazy stuff, and they got GoPros on, but this guy's got six of them mounted across his handlebarsh aimed in every direction. And I wanted to stop him and talk to him and see what's going on, but I just left it alone.

27:17 And I just always thought, I bet he's trying to figure out what's making that noise. That's a lot to have hooked up to your bike. You're seeing six cameras all exactly, unless he's like a YouTube guy. But either way, I'm not going to tell you what to do. Might be a fun conversation if you run into him again, exactly. Oh man, it's wild. Do you have you heard anything going on recently from the Jefferson area. Or no, I've not heard anything there. We go out to Cattle Lake all the time because we like Cattos so much. And then Jefferson's such a neat, little older town with all the antique shops and stuff. Tonny likes going to antique shop somewhere up there and stuff. But we walked on the little walkway that goes out to the river back there, and there's a woman that's lived down there with her children, raise her children, done there for years and years. And we're talking to her one day back there about her little cabin and stuff, and she's never said nothing. I think a lot of people up there like the fact that they're known as a bigfoot area or whatever. Matter of fact, they got some big foot statues they'll foot out and stuff, and that's just the theme of the little little town or what is it the Fall Festival or whatever it is they have up there. I've not been to it yet, but today talk about it. And you'll hear some of them old timers talking and they're like, hey, now listen, this is I don't know what they've seen. I'm not saying they have or have not seen anything, but you can tell some of them have definitely seen something if they know something's there, if they just but I'd be interested to know. I would really like to take about a month or so to where I could, because I like to hunt and camp and fish and everything else, and

28:49 it would be really nice to take about a month or so and just get out in the woods and just get out there and stay out there and figure out what's going on. Oh, I agree, And can you rind me how long ago did anything happen that you think may be related to big foot on your property? About three months ago would have been the god off a rotten eggs smell and things like that was about the last thing. And to see that happens a lot of time out there. But like everything else, you can't see nothing you And of course it's very thick woods. And if you've ever been out in the woods hunting anywhere, you can have a mule deer twenty yards from you and he knows you're looking at and he's standing a certain way, you'll be looking at him and not seeing.

29:35 If there's thick woods, any animal that's in the woods, all on the record basis knows that high and I just can't see it. As a matter of fact, let's see, it was probably let's see, what is this. This is January, so it was probably back in maybe August, I think late August, first of September. My son and his girlfriend were out there and they heard the walking up close to the house. Big so society will be right back after these messages.

30:25 And I was out in the tool shed and she hollered out at me out there and said, hey, where are you at? And I said, I'm in the tool shed standing there looking at the one of waving at her, and she said, somebody's behind the cabin. So I go up there. My son is in the back back there, and he's got the light out. Of course you've got the gun, and you can hear it walking through the woods. Had a pretty good clip, but you could not see it. And then he did, hey, let's head out there, and let's say no, let's go head out there. Whatever it is it's heading away from us. Let's just let a head away from us, leave it alone. Yeah, probably a wife choice. Yeah, it's scared her a bad enough. And every single person that's ever been out there has heard something. And I've had two people swear they'll never come back out there ever again, just from here to something walking around and scared them some bad.

31:14 Have you ever heard any weird I'm just gonna throw some weird stuff out. Whistling or the noises that sound like a baby crying. Now down and not a whistle, but like the baby crying down in the bottom. Before my neighbor cleared all that property and put his cows out there and stuff. I've heard that sound a couple of times. Almost sounds like a woman screaming, like she's definitely afraid or something. But what that is our big cats, right, soose cats will sound that way. And I heard that one night, that scream out there one night, and then just about a minute later, you heard a pig squalling as hard as it could, so you know those cats, And then you heard one of the cats yell pretty loud. So the cats were down there, honey. Matter of fact, my neighbor would. That's right on my fence road. They had a chicken pin and put in, and they had chickens coming up missing and everything. So and put your roof over the top of it because at least wire, because we have eagles in there. We have hawks in the area and Kyo's wils everything else to get in there, and we do have big cats, so they put the wire over. They spend a lot of time and money and done it really nicely. She put out a game cam aimed straight at her chicken pin and put a light with a censure on it, motion censer on it, and when it went off, she's got very good pictures of that big cougar, and I'm thinking it's the male because you can't see well enough to see if it's male with a female, but you can see how big they are on this big cougar. He's standing up on top of the pen looking down through there, like how

32:44 am I going to get through here? And just behind it you can see the mama with the two cubs standing there. All four of them are just as clear as can be on that picture. So we have very large cats down there. But the howl is definitely not the cats, because I've been in these statesas my whole life and fished on a lot of these different groups around here, like Big Sandy Creek for one, And if anybody knows these Texas knows that one very well. And you hear them cats down there all the time, and it is definitely not a cat. Just to just maybe ask you a different way. Nothing that sounds like a like an actual like a human baby cry. Nothing weird like that. Right, No, now you will hear something that sounds kind of like that. But then again, those big cats will make sounds like that, and I think the one they make those sounds, it's when they're honey trying to draw something closer to them. It's like coyotes will yelp and stuff want will yelp like it's heart or something trying to draw a pet, a dog or something out to it, and the others attack it when they have dinner. And so those cats will do that. And here's another interesting thing you said out there. Of course, I don't stay there all the time. I'm just there here and there some time. And one time I stayed out there for three months straight. And you always know when the large predators are in the area because I have tons of squirrels out there, birds at the waw Zoo, we have rabbits and everything else all over the small game animals,

34:15 and when the large predators are in the area, those things are gone. You won't see a bird. You won't see a squirrel, you won't see a rabbit, you won't see nothing. And it's just as quiet in the mornings when you wake up. There's no birds chirping, there's nothing making a sound when the large predators are not in the area. And I'm just assuming the big cats are all the wolves or whatever this is making a sound when they're in the area. You hear nothing when they're not in the area. I had a tin roof on the top of that cabin, and it sounds like they're running a relay race up there, the squirrels, and I have a potham. Once in a while he'll get on top of that roof in the daylight and he'll bask himself in the sun. And raccoons galore. Matter of fact, we had five eleven baby raccoons this year that out there, and they're all over the porch, all over the top of the house, everything else. They're just everywhere out there.

35:06 But when the large predators in the area, then things are come. Oh, that absolutely makes sense. Speaking of weird noises, have you ever heard anything that sounds like a whoop, any whooping type noise in your area? No, Now, we have several large owls out there, and I hear the owls, but they are unmistakenly owls, and it's nothing like that. And of course you hear the hogs that they make, which was unmistakable that. No, nothing like that. Any situations where it's like a really large rock is thrown towards the cabin or anywhere in your property, like all of a sudden, a huge rock just gets thrown. Not a rock I've had. I thought a stick hit the side of the house one night, but then again, I have large trees all around the cabin, and so I thought that that had fallen out of the tree and hit it. Didn't know for sure, But no rocks.

35:58 And I've got large iron a rock all around up there. Obviously small too, but never anything like that. What type of trees do you have on your property? Every one of them? Pine tree, sweet gum, oak, pin oak, red oak, quad oaks, you game it. We've got them on dogwood. I've got every tree out there. Okay, gotcha. So you do have oak and like acorns and stuff like that. Oh gosh, yeah, tons of it. And see that's another thing. You hear them fall and hit the roof. For the side of the house, all up the cabin all the time, or the side of the pool. Shit. Yeah, any a lot of different berries on your property. Too, No, not berries like blackberries, nothing like that. I don't now. I do have muskadine. We have a lot of mustard dine out there and they are very sweet when they are out. And that's something I haven't thought about.

36:47 Used to as a kid, I remember all the mustadine vines we had around the old home place, which was right there in Wood County and East Touches, not far where I am now. They would be laying all over the ground as they started wrapping and they fall off the tree and stuff I don't ever find, and until we're just talking about this, I don't ever find anything on the ground now that could be the raccoons, the possums, squalls. I mean, there's a million things to be eating that, but I just don't. I mean I've never found anything on the ground. And something maybe to keep an eye out for, and there could on your property. Keep an eye out for anything that maybe looks like a shelter that's been made, or any weird trees that are broken a certain way, or anything that looks like it's broken. Well, it's like, how did that get broken by itself? That's crazy.

37:35 It's huge all right. Here you go along the spring. Of course, the creek goes up high a crakle meander and ass around and stuff like that. And it's got one part where it will split off and it makes a little island back there and goes to the back corner of the property. Now in the back corner of the property, just across on the farmer side where there's a lot of trees and a whole lot of thick brush is where we have a pack of cooes that live in that general area. They stay out there all the time. Have you ever seen the way are the Indians in this country us to go? Obviously they would break a tree over and break it back up straight, actually not break it, just more bend it and everything kind of hold it there where it makes like an s almost absolutely, and then it will grow that way and that will mark their way through the territory. I have four of them trees along that creek that can't be more than about six inches around, so they're not old enough to be from back in that area. If it would have been looked like one hundred and two hundred year old tree or something.

38:36 I could think, Okay, maybe somebody did that years ago, but these aren't that old. I would say maximum. Some of these trees there couldn't be more than twenty years old that are broke like that. And some of them of the break is still down low where it was broke not too terribly long ago. Some of it's fifteen foot in the air where the tree's already grown and it's still broke, but it's that high up now, and it's definitely come straight up up. It'll come straight over one way or the other and then both go straight back up. I mean we got probably five four six, Yeah, it probably got four or six of them out there. That's really interesting, very interesting. Everybody comes out there, they're just this is a very interesting place out there.

39:18 A while back, you had mentioned where you had the slap on the outside of the cabin. Did anyone ever go after that happened. Did they go to the back of the cabin and look at the wall where they thought it may have been hit to see if you could see like the handprint or how high or anything like that. My son went out there and he had a light and the gun, obviously, and he looked over. He never found nothing. And I can track a nat across the desert in a sandstorm, and I've not found any thing out there that I can see. For example, when I was first building the thing, I had the cabin to where the walls were up, the windows weren't put in yet, the roof and on it was just ractored. But I had some plywood on the steir of the walls, and so I was staying down in the tent that night that we had about seventeen or nineteen ah a time, pretty large hogs that roamed around there and there herd, and they were coming through the property. And I went and got inside the cabin because it's up on steps, they can't get penny, and I had put my cot and I laid it in there. I thought, I'm just gonna stay the night in here. I'll be just fine.

40:23 And earlier that next morning I heard the most awful racket on the back porch. I thought, what in the world. I didn't even have the doors on the cabin yet, so I just had some plywood leaning across the bottom of it where you could step over to go in and out. Because I didn't want something to just walk in there. And on the back porch was a little pig. It couldn't have been two months old, maybe very small, and the coyotes had chased it down there and trying to get it, and you know how they'll hunt in different different packs. The ones that were chasing it into an area where the other ones were coming back at it, and they were trying to get up on the tall part of the porch on the front, but there were no stairs built hips, so they couldn't get up there.

41:03 So to this date I still got the claw marks on there where they were trying to claw their way up to get up there, and that's been there for almost four years now. But whatever hit the back of the cabin left no claw mark, It left no indention of any kind. It didn't leave the muddy of its hand or foot or anything on the side of cand You just didn't see nothing. But then the interesting thing was there was no because I keep everything cleared away, so you know, if we'd get a fire or something, it doesn't get right up against the edge, so there was no sticks or limbs or anything laying there. Likely limb fell out of tree, hit side of the house or the side of the cabin there, so there was nothing back there. But there's so many leaves on the ground too, there was no chance for a footprint to be left.

41:48 Man, that is say some weird stuff, sure, Chris Man, I would say, continue to keep an ear out, keep an eye out. Man could probably get some cool recordings, maybe from an audio record. I know you haven't heard a lot lately, but I just I appreciate you coming on Chris and chatting about what's going on over at absolutely Bigfoot Springs. It sounds like a cool place. Please keep me up to date with if anything else weird happens here, which I'm pretty sure you will continue to experience stuff for sure. Oh yeah, whatever's there is, it's there permanently and I don't see it going anywhere whatever it is. But BLOCKS say, I don't think it's got to hurt anything other than to buy whatever species or whatever it is.

42:38 Yeah, absolutely, Chris, thank you for chatting tonight. Hew, you no problem. I'm appreciate you hatting me on here. All right, big for society. You got the privilege of talking to Dom. He's a lobster fisherman from Maine and he contacted me about some really interesting things that he has experienced over the years. But how's it going today, Dom, It's. Going good, man. I'm really happy to be able to the story and glad that everybody else does too. So thanks for giving it a platform and a voice. We all appreciate it. Thank you man. Oh absolutely, It's one of my highlights of the day is able to after the kid goes to bed, I be able to go into the recording studio and call up another person and get their story out there. So I appreciate you coming on from Maine.

43:22 Very familiar. It's the same way for me. As soon as the kids asleep, then it's like time to listen to figure out what stories are out there, see if there's a new podcast on. And I understand so. Absolutely, Dom, you know what, I'm going to give the reins over to you, and I'm gonna let you, let you lead the way. Dom all right, man, thank you very much. My name is Dom. I am from Colorado. But I live in Maine. I do a little bit of commercial logging. I also work on lobster boats. I'm always trying to be in the wilderhead. But I had two experiences when I was living in Colorado that both of them wasn't just me there.

44:09 I had somebody with me both times that saw the same thing. And the way people react to it is definitely different. But it was terrifying and it changed the way I looked at everything, and I see a lot of similarities hearing other people's stories. But I guess I'll just start with my introduction to bigfoot into general. Living in Colorado, working in the woods, and playing around in the woods. People always talk about it, or somebody has a story here or there. And I had people who had passed by theories about what they thought these things were. And people'd say, maybe they're some interdimensional thing or something that was an experiment or didn't evolve, or I don't know myself.

44:50 And I think most people go through a phase where they might be interested in those things if they live in a mountainous rural area. And I just I knew that there was always big things in the woods, and I was always out there. I grew up on a ranch and we were always working with cows, working as horses, and always in the woods and always aware there's a lot of mountain lions, a lot of bear maybe not a lot of bear, but. There's bear and the brown bear can be nasty. But in the place like Colorado, there's definitely the area for something big like that to live. And I was surprised was when I really you know, when I lived in different parts. Of the state, I think that if I was a bigfoot, maybe i'd live way up in the mountains. But where this hat, I guess, way there's some real wild places.

45:36 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. But my first experience was when I was living in Grand Junction. Color I used to go for drives with friends that had corvettes or whatever. We used to take one for one up towards Gateway, and it was a pretty fun canyon to drive up, and you can check out the stars because there's big canyon walls, no light pollution from anywhere, and there's always a spot that we would go check out.

46:21 A friend of mine showed me that was next to the road and it was in a field. We just hopped the fence across the little creek and we'd walked those field in. It looked like a school desk, only it was made of concrete. It was a really strange thing. And we always contemplated on what this thing was, but it became a spot I always liked to check out, wanted to come back fun. It was just a way out there place that we could get alone. Nobody was there, and it was just a cool place to take a breath and take a walk away from society. And at this. Time, like I said, I was living in Grand Junction, and I had a neighbor named Joe, was a friend of mine, construction worker, and him and his wife got to fight. So we decid to go for a drive and I said, I know a cool place to blow steam off.

47:08 Let's go check out this place up the canyon. So you're ripping up the canyon. And finally got. To this place and we hopped the fence and made it through the field and I literally said, here it is. I was about to say, here is this weird, strange desk. I was saying, it's in the middle of this field. I don't know what it's for, but. Sure is a cool spot. Was about to get those words out and I turned around and this roar came out of nowhere, and I was walking towards this desk and it was so dark. He couldn't really see much. And my friend was wearing flipflops. That is just the thing he did when he got home from work. He put flip flops on all the time, so I could hear his flip flops walking behind me.

47:54 And this war came out. It just was. It throned me and I could. Hear Joe's flip flops running out of the field back towards the car, and the sound in the war came at the same time. And I was turning around to look at this spot and it was right there, just right in front of me, and I remember enough light to where I could see its head and the shape of his shoulders and its traps around his neck. I could see its muscles, and that was standing right next to me. Like there was all the senses at that point. You could sense something was there, you could smell it, you could hear it. And the sound that it made it sounded to me like like it like we.

48:40 Surprised it, or it was angry that we were there. Because it was such like a shout beyond any range of any vocal capabilities that I'm a metal head and I've never heard of anything like that, And I just as soon as I was making sense of everything and seeing its shit and how because I'm about six ' one, you know, in boots and this thing. I was looking above towards it, and I was looking up at it. It was a foot taller than me. I maybe that's a little maybe that's a little much, but I it was there. I was gone, and I just ran and we got to the car. We didn't say anything, and we drug down the canyon and we didn't talk about it. You didn't want to talk about it or anything. And I wanted to know more, so I obviously poked out and asked questions. But it was so frightening to just turn around and something just be there.

49:36 I grew up around animals, being surprised by an animal, and you always can hear them or smell them, or see them or something, and even most things in the field wouldn't be that surprising, a cow or anything. But this sound was just it. Was the only thing that I ever heard anything that sounded like it was those Sierra sounds, and it wasn't language or anything. It's like the got a roll sounds like a. Just an octave that we just can't get to, like it changes from some octave that humans don't have to, like a shriek that we don't have, and just hearing those sounds, it just it gives me goosebumps every time I hear it, because it puts me right back in that spot. And it just terrified me and him, and I just was thankful to somebody else seen it with me.

50:25 But I never really you know, i'd say something here or there, but it didn't. It scared us to death. But he had been around all kinds of animals and he had too, But that was really an intense situation. And just to think that something like that was out there, you always hope, but now I knew. I didn't know what else that could be. There's a hope around there, big horn sheep, and people have horses and cows. There's just nothing that could have been. We're able to get a good look at what the creature's face looked like. I couldn't see like a profile, like a brow ridge or anything like that beyond what have been around the forehead because of the way that I was looking at it, so I couldn't see, you know, whether it had like a big nose or small nose, or human face or it was just there wasn't a lot of hair on it, but there was some around the face. But it really didn't have the kind of care that I thought that It would have surprised me it was bald on top.

51:31 It was. I know it sounds probably strange to say, but the more I picture it in my mind and think about it, and I've thought about it a million times, but it just I really wish I could have because I would expect it to be to look human. I would think it just there's nothing that looks like that standing in the field like that, and it can make a sound like that, I don't know, but that was something standing up right and had a very large build. I'd been around big bodybuilders, and nothing was every bit as big as some of the biggest guys I've ever known. Anything that you remember about dimensions of the creature that seemed a little weird to you, or the way it moved or anything like that.

52:11 I seen it. When I turn around and seen it, I just seen it barely move a shoulder. And I would say, like, when I. Compare him to like a bodybuilder, I had a friend that he's like the world's largest bodybuilder. He's six nine and almost three hundred pounds. He was whiter in the shoulders than he is, and it it was he was huge. I would think that he would around seven feet. My friend Aaron that I'm talking about, he is a very large guy. I would think this thing is be over three hundred pounds. Just the mask that it had, just seeing shoulders that that in the traps, with. The muscles that our go to the neck. It was just it was big and you could see the muscle just when you see a horse or a cow and then they do have hair, but you can see that there's muscles, vain undes and stuff. It was very It just it didn't it was huge.

53:07 So try to put yourself back in that situation. Can you remember what emotions you were feeling inside when you had this actually in your sights and you were you realized what you were looking at. I when I seen and heard it, like the sound had made I felt it in me. And I always say, I just don't I'm not a flinch shirt, but I was frozen, like I could feel like vibrating in my body, like it was such a it was almost like it had it was like moving air and it was like I could feel the vibration and I could feel it in my chest, and it was just it was terror.

53:49 I was. I didn't really think those things gonna kill me as much as I was just shocked that I that something was making this noise and it was standing in the middle of a field that nobody was supposed to be in, and then it was we were there and it I don't know. I just kept thinking that I surprised it, and I just don't know how that would have been possible. I just don't from what I hear other people say about them. I just it's just I was in shock. I was just frozen, and it's I can just as soon as I turned around and ran, I just I remember getting to the barber fence, crossing it, getting in my friends the clips and peeling out and we were gone. I went from being frozen to just being running it for my life, like as fast as I could even think about it.

54:35 I just I don't know. I guess it was just a really fear and shock. Wow. It reminded me again, sorry of the year that happened. Oh my gosh, let's see you. I think that would have had been two thousand and five. Or two thousand and six. Okay, I think I'm just I haven't thought. I'm trying to think about when I lived right in that area, that's a guest. Around two thousand and five, two thousand and six. Yeah, I was living on the Western Slope and Grand Junction, and yeah, it was a real not real mountainous in that area. There is some mountains, but it's on the western slope of the Continental Divide. It's like it turns the desert right in the middle of the continent right there, right in the Rockies. And I mean, you can do wilderness, but there's a lot of mesas, and yeah, it definitely can be wild out there.

55:27 Have you ever heard of a place called Twin Peaks, Bible Camp and Grand Junction. That's so funny because Grand Junction is where I was living, That's where my family was ended up being based from. Yep. I actually would probably. Be familiar with where I was from, but I'm not familiar with that particular one. That's crazy, Okay, So I'm just curious because there is a sighting near a Bible camp in Grand Junction as well. Really, it's so funny. It's called just having the Twin Peaks name is cool too, so that's mysterious. Also. I love that show. But that's interesting.

56:08 I'm gonna have to look and look into that one and see because I always tried to see wherever I've lived all over in the US, in any wild places I ask people. I always ask the old. People who work in the mines or people who work on the ocean or work in the woods, Like you ever see anything strange, It's important to ask. People like people. Those stories need to be remembered for sure. But oh, that's crazy. Yeah, because this area, like I've never really looked on the map exactly where it was, but it was going up towards the town of Gateway and there's a highway on Route one, and I had two experiences, one on the other side of that Grand Valley and.

56:48 The town of Mesa, and it was a couple. It was years later, but it. Was I'm gonna have to see if there was any more on that Grand Mesa because it's supposedly it's the biggest flat top mountain in the world and there's some wild places on it too. There's always rumors about stuff on that mountain. It's huge and it's flat. That's for sure. Before we get to the second one, another question about your encounter near the interesting Stone desk when you ran back to the car with your buddy and you sped off. Was there any conversation in that car or was it nothing was said? We were We did a whole lot of cursing. We mostly got to the car. Just that was pretty much the extent, And there might have been, Like I certainly had a lot to say it, but my friend that I was with, he was just you didn't want to talk about stuff. He just wasn't one of those guys to talk and he was really shaken up by it, like it really terrified him and scared him, and he just like he was scared and he wanted to be home.

57:53 And he was the older guy. When I think around that time, I was Jude No, nineteen years twenty. My buddy he's in mid thirties. You get a situation like that, you look at the older person and take a little strength from them what to do or like what was that you tell me? When he just was terrified And so I just didn't push it, and I told people here and there and talked with like I said, I'd ask people and the people that I talked with about aliens or conspiracies and stuff that ended up being true. And there's always mysterious things in those Four Corners area Colorado. Talk about underground bases and all kinds of stuff, And there is some very mysterious areas down there in that area, real remote places.

58:37 There's tribes that disappear and stuff. But I would like to know more sightings from in that area. I'd hear a lot of people talking about skinwalkers and stuff like that in that area, and I've never heard anybody to my face tell me a story about a skinwalker. So I don't know. I do know that these things are real, as much as my son is real, and my daughter and my wife, and as soon as much as me talking to you, these things exist, I don't know and what power in what form there exists in this plane. And I've talked with people about what they actually thought these were and how we don't have a body or there's no evidence, and whether they do bury their dead or not.

59:20 But I know some people really laugh this off. But one of the best conclusions that I. Heard somebody say it came from the same person who told me that he believes that they were brought here to mine gold, but then by who I don't know, but then they were taken back or whatever because they couldn't problem solve as well as the people, you know, the next version or whatever. And supposedly a few of them stayed and you know, as things evolved or whatever, they stayed around. I don't know how much I believe that. He also had told me that, you know, they might be some type of being that you know, might exist, you know, in another dimension that we don't have access to.

1:00:04 Some type of you know, that some people might be that vibrates and the frequency that some people just don't see. Some people just don't see deer before they jump across the road, or they don't see a snake before they step on it. And you know, even people that are trained to see stuff don't see stuff sometimes. I'm not saying that it counts for things, but I just really thought about that a lot when I heard people talk about what dimensions actually are and how many exist, and it makes me think that there might be other things that exist in other dimensions that we might consider monsters are not or demons or angels or who knows, But I don't know why there's not more people coming out and saying how they actually feel or what that they've had these experiences, because I don't know.

1:00:56 I've never really heard a lot of people say that. I thought to myself, Yes, when I was thinking about if I was going to say something or not, I'm gonna say something because maybe that is I know that people always draw that the some UFO Bigfoot connection that sometimes that they see them in lights in the same spot that they see bigfoots. And there's definitely places that are like big energy vortexas and stuff like that, so I could see something like that. I don't know. I'm sure that you've. Heard all kinds of different theories about it, but I always thought that was strange. But it never kept me from wanting to say something about it, because I always knew that somebody was gonna say, oh, man, Tom's crazy.

1:01:36 He's just one of those guys. He just of course he saw big Foot. I never said anything about seeing Bigfoot till I did. Big for Society will be right back after these messages. Cool thing about Bigfoot is that and a lot of people don't like this, but there is no proven truth about the creature yet because we have in the fact that we don't know if it's interdimensional, We don't know if it's an ape or anything, because it hasn't been captured and it hasn't been studied. So if someone says to you, I know one hundred percent this is the thing, No, you don't because it hasn't been captured and studied. Now you may, like myself personally, I agree with Nawac where I think we're looking at undiscovered grade ape. But like then you hear the Chestnut Ridge Stan Gordon side of things, and you have these UFO sightings and then bigfoot sightings along right along with them. There's all sorts of stuff when it comes to a bigfoot out there in the world, for sure.

1:02:55 But definitely think that the people who see things in the sky and people see things in the woods, so the same type of person and they usually hopefully they'll say something about it. But there are stories like those are really I think that it's not like something like that would be so far fetched. I really in that part of Colorado, there's always been like I said, this talks about there being some kind of bass and people are always seeing the same types of crafts in the sky and we literally would talk about if we thought that they were government or not. I never saw any, but I don't know. This kid. He looked us in the face and the only time I ever seen us beyond this dude, be honest. He said that they're going down the highway near the four Corners and there's a big black v flying right down with power lines, just going right down it real slow, and everybody was stopping looking at it, trying to take pictures and stuff. And they made him say something. And I think that's good. But in that area, there's a lot of strange stuff. And I always hope living out here in Maine now that I'm gonna here's some really cool ocean stories or something. But you know, as much as I worked out there, I've seen some great white churchs, but nothing cool.

1:04:11 There's no bigfoot out there. Nice. Nice, Hey, you never know. So you had your awesome sighting in Grand Junction Areas. So how long after did you have your you had a sighting and you said Mesa? Yeah, in Mesa, there's a in the Grand Valley that Mesa is, like, you know, it's the biggest mountain now if that you can't miss. It's big and flat and it's got a Powder Horn ski resort up there. It's not all kinds of lakes and all kinds of wilderness. It's beautiful place. And I'd have to say this is probably around see I think around two thousand nine, maybe twenty eleven. I really wish I would have tried to narrow down the years better. I'm sorry, I just geez.

1:04:58 Time flies. Yeah. Up there on that Mesa there was a house that I rented, and it was in the town of Mesa, and there were a lot of wild spots up there. Right. Had some good friends that were awesome skiers and snowboarders, and they were always going up in these awesome, real wild places and it was a really interesting place to be and I really like to find a place to rent up there. It's just really far from town. So I was at the end. Of this real long driveway and they're the corral with nothing that was ever in it, and just a real quiet place up there, big mountain in the desert and nothing in the sky. You always see the stars. A real beautiful place and I really enjoyed living up there. It's just really far. I was up there and this girl obvious see him he just started renting this place.

1:05:43 And I mean, now you get home, you'd be exhausted. So he finally got home at a decent time that night, decided we were gonna have a drink and go sit on the top of the truck and look at the stars and having some drinks and looking at the stars and all that. Yeah, I've been trying to think about how I was going to tell the story, but we're about to talk about some sex for a second. So me and this girl we were, we had some sex up on top of the suburban that I had and out there just looking at the stars. And this girl I was with, she she was on her period, and I don't know if there had anything to do with it, but we started hearing and breathing right next to us, and there's no animals in the crowd, which is George where we were, and we liked it, and there's standing right over there by us. It was It'd like to say it was probably it felt like it was right close to us, but we saw the whole profile of it and it wasn't just me that thought, so I was thankful for that. But we were terrified, and it didn't make any noise or anything. We jumped down real quick, got right in the truck and drove right down our driveway and we were really out that we just went from not really paying attention to anything to having something potentially stocked us.

1:07:07 It really terrified us. And our house was right there, not real far from it, five hundred feet away. We got inside and it turned off all the lights and we closed the blinds, and we hadn't got any good blinds for the place, and they were these little white you could pretty much see through them, and we were terrified it was just going to walk up the driveway. We didn't look at what it did or if it stayed there, but it was just standing there with one arm cocked and it ted cocked and that was that. And we seeing it at the same. Time, and she screened and we got right down and drove the five hundred feet down the driveway. What good that would do, I don't know, but we were terrified.

1:07:54 Locking the door, we thought they it wanted to come in or would want to because it saw where we went. And it really was very strange. It's a very strange story to try to tell people about your personal life, where about someone you were with too, but it at that time because I just I didn't really didn't think about what it was or wasn't. We were shocked that something was right there. I didn't really ever since I had that experience, I knew that things existed, but it really scared us. And we kind of me and her. The thing that we thought was that because maybe she was menstruating, then maybe it smelled it. I don't, Like I said, I was trying to figure out how I was going to put all this, but I just figured I'd just say how it was, and the only thing like maybe smell this and walked up or something. I don't know, but it terrified her and it terrified me.

1:08:51 But we talked about that a lot, and we talked about that even with her family, and I mean we didn't really you know, the fact that it wasn't a man was you know, if it was just some perverse a standing there watching people, that would be obviously you'd be enraged and want to protect whoever you're with and get out of any dangerous situations. But she clearly I could see, she looks like she's looking at a monster, you know, And I mean she kind of you know, me and her dad had. Kind of talked about Bigfoot before. It says, just like I kind of saw, you know, someone's face being like terrified and shocked and terrified real fast.

1:09:34 It just sheer terror, because what do you do? Because it's at that point I'd already talked about with people if they were interdimensionals, even wanted to come in the house. Closing the blinds and locking the door and laying on the floor so they can't look in the blinds isn't gonna do any good. And I just know that's just a ludicrous stra I know some people are gonna make fun of me for that, but I really I don't know what part I had to play in it, but it made sense to me almost that That's like I said, when I had that experience towards up in that canyon, I wish I could have seen a face or something, because something like that, it just doesn't look at things in sea, faces in them in just in.

1:10:15 Trees or in leaves or in rock. Something that was standing up right, it's not dragging its arms on the ground and not slouched over. You expect to look like a human. And I really would have liked to have seen it, But it's just panicking about what way anything and anybody's gonna run is. I don't know. I wish I would have paid attention more about where it went, because we have someone freaking out so bad that trying to just trying to get the doors unlocked in them in and then back out and then in the house. It is difficult enough trying to figure out where something like that wants to be. It's just gonna be. But it was really how you shocked about that too. And I feel like they just they just appeared in spots in my life, and I think that's weird. And I don't know if they that's just what they feel like they do for other people. But like I said, I felt like I walked up and stepped on one's heel pretty much, and it was like pissed off or surprised that I did it, and that other one has just popped up. And hearing the breath being around big animals like cows and horses, you hear some of them that it has big lungs, taking big breasts like the mucus and their lungs or just whatever. You hear them breathing through their nose or their mouth and just some of real big lungs. And there was never any cows or horses in that corral or even any fields near it since I'd started renting that place. And it was just something you hear like that right away. It just snaps you right out of whatever you're doing and you look right towards what the sound is. And I didn't see a color anything, but that didn't have but anything

1:11:48 that Like. I said, the canyon. Like I look like that one was bald on top, but this one you could see ed hair on it. It was definitely at the shape of a large hairy. Man standing there. I would have to say, like dimension wise, that one that's probably I mean, I looking at my son's place at out there in the backstand about eight fos tall. I don't think that it would have been that tall. I think it was probably a little shorter than that. It was big, I mean something that tall. I mean, it's definitely a big animal or whatever it is. But something like that, I mean. When you're hearing them breathe. I hear people, you know, telling stories about looking them in the eye or seeing steam coming off of them and looking at the hairs on their skin and seeing like the skin and the hair. Like I'm like, I like hearing people say that because when you're looking at something like people have big foot cutouts in their yards all over in main they do in Colorado.

1:12:46 But when you're looking at something that's an animal. Or that's alive, that's consciously looking back at you. You notice when a bird is looking at you, You're like, hey, what's a bird? Squirrels looking at you, bigger animals, same thing, But something like that consciously looking at you is terrifying because usually man, woman in the woods you use for the most part, you're not gonna have too much trouble with something. But I just felt like both times, just like my space, all of a sudden, there was something right in the space that exists around you. You fee can feel something is there. And I could definitely say it wasn't the only person that felt that either time. And like I said, I pester people about this all the time, and I think a lot of my friends in their trips to the woods, they're drinking and shit like that, and I just I wonder how much stuff actually goes on in the woods that people don't even get to see.

1:13:37 Because there I take. Advantage of any time I'm out there now, just in case. But I don't know if it works like that. But these times I definitely wasn't looking for anything like that. I'll be honest, it's not the first time that it has come up on the show. I'll think of one and I had to take it out, yeah, just because of the person who's telling the story requested I take it out. But you're not the first person that that has brought up something similar. I always wondered that if it's something that, because what this looked like to me was if they were gonna pro create or something, they would probably do it like us, like just another animal seeing another animal doing that, I just don't I think that they would be interested in it or wondering why they look like them, or I don't know. I just I was always interested that if there was more people that had that experience, because it just it makes sense to me too, and there's been stories of people getting drug off and all kinds of stuff.

1:14:40 I don't think anything like that. I just think that when different species of animals and maybe they see or hear and think, oh, they're like us too, or I don't know, who knows what I'm glad you hear the other people are at least saying it, because that's just how you have to do it. It's some of it's gonna sound stupid, and you as you're saying it to someone. You're gonna be like, I'm sound so stupid right now. Definitely not. Because there's an online blog. It's a cryptozoology blog called cryptomundo dot com like Craig Willheater, and he's got an article where he even talks about this, and I'll link the article. But there's been at least one BFRO citing report where a menstruation was involved. It then goes on to talking about how that can attract grizzly bears. People have been unfortunately killed by grizzly bears that were in the middle of a menstruation. Big for society will be right back after these messages, and then it kind of ties back into you were wondering, like if that kind of thing can attract well.

1:16:08 I always wonder when you hear David Plautus has such he has so much good information on people, like telling real stories. I think he's such a good example of someone that's going out and getting the stories and leaving them to do their own work by just telling the story. And a lot of these people are having experiences, Like some of them, they're not saying what they're seeing. They're not looking at it. He and I always thought. I always wondered, are we going the wrong way when we think that, you know what I mean? I know that sounds so vague, But maybe they're not as much ape or human at all. Maybe I don't know. I always wonder because people are like, oh, they're just eight men out in the woods and stuff.

1:16:49 And I mean, you know, I've been. To zoos and seen monkeys and chimpanzees and stuff like that. I have a question about your partner during the can encounter. Did she believe in Bigfoot before? Oh? Yeah. The funny thing about me and her dad, we had so many talks about He was really big into Bigfoot and stuff. He was always talking about books that he was reading and new angles on the Patterson Gimlin film and stories from here, the Skunk ape stories and stuff. And he was always giving me his opinion and what he thought things were. And she was always part of that, by default, by osmosis, by him just wanting to learn about it. And she spent in all due respect, more time in the woods than I ever have, and I've she just was one of those people. Her family, they grew up just being in the woods and around animals all the time. And I knew that everyone thought that, like we were all crazy for having us talk. But the funny thing about you asking about this is that we never felt straight range for going up to her dad and saying, guess what and guess what happened to us.

1:18:06 It wasn't like that we were I was like, we just saw one. He always was always looking in the woods for stuff and he's never had any experiences early that I knew of, but he always felt like he was on the trail of it somewhere and always collecting stories as he could find them and stuff. But we were excited to tell him because he just always believed in it and stuff like that too. He had guys that worked with breaking horses and doing many other things that had dad experiences in the woods that were that He said that at percent, like he knew that it existed and it was just something that I think that there is a lot more people that considered it something that lives and breathes and exists that we know of, and that's.

1:18:48 I think that's works out to our favor. And I think that more people are becoming open to saying like stories that have became like a family story, something that happened to Graham. They don't want people things like that or Dad didn't want to say anything about this during the war or something. Lest you get these guys coming back from places like Vietnam having like with the rock ape story, having fights with these giant rock apes and stuff like, we're always trying to, you know, hear cool stories about stuff like that, but no, we were very hipped to, you know, learning about Bigfoot or UFOs or trying to get the information at least because all you can do is get the information and kind of sort through.

1:19:32 So you like the conversation with her father that debt turned out okay, that oh go sideways or anything. Wow, are you the least bit surprised? As tough as they were or I shouldn't say were are like, and the kind of terrain that they'd been through on horseback and the stuff that they'd put me through in the woods for fun with them on horseback, I know how tough they are, Like, he didn't surprise him or freak him out or anything like that. He knew what everybody could handle a or are very tough people and really good with the animals. And I don't know.

1:20:13 I guess I can understand, like with some people being like, oh, would you be freaking out to say something? I was psyched because it's something that you could actually say. Look, I've got something to say. This is awesome. This has some weights. I know you've got stories, but guess what, and guess who was with me? Just to have somebody corroborate. And a lot of times things happen obviously nobody ever has a camera conveniently or whatever. However that always works. It's just the roll of the dice and likes all kinds of times on the boat, I can't get my phone out to take a picture of a big lobster or a shark or something because my hands are wet. It just works like that sometimes. But that's that is one of the most interesting stories.

1:20:54 And after let's say there's that night you left you did you go back the next day to look around the area to see if you could find any evidence or anything. I thought, No, I didn't. After that, I kind of joked about going up to that spot with myself. I just, you know, maybe I should just go for a drive up there and just take a look. And I gone up that way a little bit for a couple of jobs I was doing, and I could never really, I could never really find it in myself for a reason to want to go back out there, not because I felt like there was gonna be something waiting for me or that I'd even get any result from it, Because I mean, it was in the middle of a field, at this weird you know, at this.

1:21:39 Weird concrete desk. That's if they literally made a child's desk for like middle school out of concrete. It was the most absurdly weird thing. It was like a modern art piece, like from like someplace in Seattle or something. It was just obnoxiously weird, and it just I just never I knew that if I went back and tried to find some answers, they wouldn't be there, because that's just how it would have worked. I knew that it was just going to be gone, like anywhere else, and that place that I lived up in the town of Mays, I just had to live there. It was just part of living there. I just always was sketched out about being there. And we didn't live there for long, and I didn't It was a long commute, so I was able to get out of that pretty quickly, but it always left just a weird feeling about just being around there. There was just a something like that if you just don't feel like you have like you something like that, it can overpower you. And just it's just it takes you down a notch knowing that something like that is around and close.

1:22:48 It's not like being in bear country or anything like that. It's something that's conscious on a different level than something that you know, like a bear. This can solve, apparently, and just really it just left a weird just I say, like a weird dark energy because it wasn't bad. It was more just being freaked out about feeling like all of a sudden, this placed way up in the mountains. I thought was a nice. Little secluded little cabin, nice little place to rent with a nice little cottage, you know, have a little corral just in case, you know, you get a horse or something, and it just put it like a stain on it where it just like I really felt like it wasn't safe in the place that you wanted to have a home at.

1:23:31 So I just was ready to go. I spend enough time in the woods and stuff where it's like, even if you wanted to go back to some of these spots, I feel like you just gotta do it by chance to be lucky. I felt like if I ever looked at it like I wanted to see something or find something, I just it wouldn't work that way. That's if I buy the lottery ticket guaranteed gonna lose. Doesn't work that way for me. So it has to on the fly and just has to come to me in somewhere way. And there was really hoping that now that I'm out here in Maine, like I could start talking with some people about any experiences that they'd have. And hearing that story from some guy cuts wood up north of here like that was really encouraging to here. That's what made me decide I've got to at least send an email in and at least say something, because that's somebody I could literally probably I bet you I cut trees and with people that know who that is, you know, I bet you I can figure out who it is and probably sit down and talk with them if they wanted to, you know what I mean. And that makes me feel good to know that people that are having real.

1:24:39 Experiences like that. And like I said, I'm only you know, I'm just a guy on a pod who's talking to you on a podcast about a story that I've had. Like it's only as real as it is to us, you know, to our mind and how we accept it. And you know, I feel. Like you know that story right there, and knowing that I could literally, probably if I wanted to, you know, if they were accepting of it, sit down and talk about it like I want to, you know, that made me want to make sure that more people could feel that way, Like more people were gonna start saying these experiences that I mean, you know that story in particular. I mean, I know all about that wild that country is, and I've always joked about wanting to go up there and cut wood, but I don't know if I'm man enough.

1:25:27 There's some tough country up there too. Maine is a lot more wild than people think it is. That's for sure. Maine is crazy, but it's awesome. I would feel that if you keep asking up there, you're gonna you're gonna run into some stories, no doubt. Oh I've heard. I've heard people talk about seeing big cats in the state. Like I used to fish off a boat in Addison. That's we call this down East Maine where I'm at now, And like I live in down East Maine and I work on Mount Desert Island, and I used to fish farther from here what A called Counties towards Addison, long Drive, and I was going to the boat one morning. We've seen it, just a big giant cat out here, and they they've never seen big mountain lions out here, and m I geez, I was mountain lion Maine all the granted, Oh man, it'd be a great place.

1:26:20 I'd be here. It's pretty cold though. Did you ever come up to Maine. Yeah, definitely. So. I grew up in western mass Massachusetts, in a town called Northfield, so we would vacation. We would. We've done the whole kind of bunk port saying Camden Kitterie. We've also gone hiking up near not actual Katten but like the base often run in with a moose and his family there when I was about eleven or twelve in my family, that's another story. But yeah, that whole. The main area is wild, and especially when you get up you go north up by the Canadian border, gets crazy up there. But there are some really interesting bigfoot things that come up in Maine. There's this one story you should look up. I believe it's called the Meddy Bemps Howler. That's a fun one to look up. There's not a lot about it.

1:27:15 But yeah, actually think that I'm on someone's channel, you know, because I find I on YouTube, like Bob Gimblin. There's you know, he's a great one, you know, a less less croud like I love less is like his work, and I think he's very credible, respectful man. I think he goes about it very professionally, very respectfully. He is definitely. I think that his experience in Alaska, like I thought that was really you'd figure that people spend their lives in all kinds of jungles and countries would come back with all kinds of stories. Sometimes it just doesn't happen, like that's when you're literally not paying attention or something. Yeah, he's got but there is some good information out there.

1:27:58 And one of those guys in one of those channels that so you called it it was the Meddi Bepps howler. Meddi Meddi Bemp's howler. I want to say it might have been on There's an old site called Bigfoot Encounters dot com. You would love it. You should check it out. Yeah, it's got some really great old stories and accounts old researcher Bobby Short who's unfortunately not with us anymore, but Bigfoot encounters dot com is great to check out. Oh, I'm gonna go out. Thank you for letting me now. Yeah, there's been there's always like the Rocky Mountain Bigfoot Organization is one of the first places when I was younger, and this happened that I started trying to put my story in and and all fairness, like only in the past couple of years have I even decided to actually, probably in the past eight years, I decided to actually get a smartphone. Like never wanted a computer, never wanted email presses or any of that stuff. And so like now I'm actually like trying to find a lot of disinformation actually finding some good stuff. And you wouldn't have found you or any stuff any other way. And I'm glad that there is such a good easy route to do that. Like you said once, again the platform. That's great to have it you.

1:29:09 Thank you so much, absolutely, Tom, I'm so glad that you reached out to me and we were able to chat for a little bit about your encounters, and I hope that you keep in touch and if you ever run any into anything up in Maine, definitely let me know. Or if you ever get back to Colorado and anything out from there, definitely that as well. You're at Bigfoot Society. Art goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one.

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