Eastern Maryland and NE Oklahoma Sasquatch!

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1:00 Thank you so much for having me on the show. Jeremiah, I'm a big fan I listened to your podcast quite often, so I go ahead and get right into it. I grew up on the eastern shore of Maryland. I've been in the woods a lot as a kid, as also as a young adult. Deer helnted all my life. I was always in the woods, riding four wheelers, dirt bikes, and things of that nature. I never really believed in Bigfoot or cryptis, so I'd say around two thousand and five two thousand and six, around November was a little chili out. Around that time. Well, I had a friend over my house and I wanted to show him and my kid's mother where my deer stand was, just in case if anything ever happens and they know where to find me. As we was exiting the trail to the field, I noticed as I was walking to my kid's mother wasn't with us.

1:52 So I turned. Around and I seen her staring into the woods like she had seen a ghost. Then proceeded to start walking fast, heading towards me, me and my friend. So I let her get I let her so hold towards me and my friend and said let's get out of here. At the time, I've heard a bunch of like branches and things of that nature cracking in the woods. Like something big was moving. So we get closer back to my parents' house and I had to ask my kid's mother what exactly did she see. She said, whatever it was, it was on all fours. It was black, furry body, and it had a human face and was staring at her. She didn't have much more to say about it, but what she seen, I know, had definitely spooked her.

2:38 I never thought of any. Creature like that in the woods, especially how she described it. So I say, about three to four months past, I was probably about eighteen nineteen years old at the time. I was working at a grocery store late night stock and shelves. I was coming home from work. My dad has always made me park my pickup in the backyard of my parents' house. We have two driveways to the house. The second driveway goes to the backyard. So as I'm hitting down the driveway to make a U turn, I say, this is probably about eleven eleven thirty at night. As I was making the U turn to park my truck, I got a quick glimpse of something tall and black fur out of the corner of my eye. Out the driver's side window of my truck. I didn't get to see a face or an arm or anything like that.

3:25 I just saw fur for a quick second. I was frozen. But but what I seen is I had stopped my truck right away. I was so scared by what I just saw because I have never witnessed anything on the Eastern Shore with black fur. We don't have bears in that area. So I ended up driving my truck up to the back door of the house. I hopped out and ran inside the house and told my father about it. I was too scared to park the truck and walk to the house. After seeing what I seen. My dad said, son, you've probably seen a deer. I said, no, no, no way, no way, dad. Whatever it was, it wasn't the deer, not with black fur. I'd say. About a year or two years later, I was in the woods, same woods walking. There's a path back, there's a nature trail. It's behind it's behind a school. Back in the seventies, they used to go back there for I guess I'm not exactly sure what class it was, but it was it was through through the school they learned about like trees or whatever, and.

4:28 There's a high. School in the middle school right side by side, and they after like in the seventies, they stopped going back there for some reason. I really don't know what the reason was, but we always liked to go back there and keep the trails clean because we always ride our dirt bikes and four wheelers back there and things like that when we were younger. So one day I was back there and I was on foot. This day I. Came across this in deep impression in the mud of a huge footprint had to be at least seven ten inches long and at least six six feet wide. At the time, I had an old flip phone and didn't have a camera on it, so I couldn't take a picture and never thought of getting the casting of it.

5:11 But after seeing the footprint, I had a good idea it was a big foot and made me a believer one hundred percent. Then, I say, about three months past, my dad came to me and said, son, you remember telling me about the footprint and the black fur you saw. I said yeah, he said, Then he said, son, well I believe you what you saw. I said, would you? He said yeah. Then he said, well I believe you what you saw, he said, he actually seen it hisself. I asked him, what did you see? He said, I seen him Bigfoot. So across the street from my parents' house, there's a field that divides a ditch with another field on the other side, he said. He said, he's seen a real big humanlike black.

5:52 Furry thing that looked like a bigfoot walking upright across the field on the other side of the ditch. I want to say it was at least two hundred yards away from the front porch where he had seen it from. He has also told me that around dust he keeps seeing something in the front field across from the house that to him looks like orbs. He said it see. He sees them and they move real fast and shoot up the tree and go from one tree to another like it jumps. He says he sees this almost every night. I have been on the hook about Bigfoot ever since. And I actually went back in those woods I seen the I seen the footprint around Thanksgiving time of twenty twenty four, and when I was walking the trails back there, I came across these like TP structures. There was like six of them back there, but it was a little strange because they seemed a little too small to be something.

6:47 That a bigfoot would would make. And there's no there's no kids or anything like that that I know of that go in those woods and play and and like where I've seen them at the trail, it goes, it goes through, it opens up to this real big area, and in that area is where I've seen the majority of these TP type structures. That's that's about it, Jeremiah. That's my story, and I appreciate you having me on here. I'm a little nervous. I definitely would like to see bigfoot myself one day, actually see it. I've been amazed with it ever since, and I'm definitely a believer.

7:28 Absolutely. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I'm looking at the map of Federalsburg right now. It looks like there's a pretty sizable wildlife management area north of the town. Yes, sir, sir, this is a. Pretty good spot for for something to be in for sure. Definitely, the area where I'm at is more towards out in the country. That's more or less like closer to the town town side the wildlife area. I'm more towards out towards the country, going like hidden towards like Detton, Maryland out towards that way.

8:11 That's that's where I had my scene, all had all this happen. Okay, so that was up in Denton. You said that area, Yeah, it's like outside of Fettersburg, hidden towards Detton, Maryland. It's kind of like in between and within that area, like I said, there's a I'm not sure if you're ever to pull up Richardson Road, but in that area there Richardson Road and then like American Corner right there in that area there where where. I've had all these sightings and and everything. Now, have you done any sometimes you know, you have a sighting and and you start really digging into it, have you, you know, look to see if there's been on any other sightings in this area over the years, or is maybe local stories of seeing something like this.

9:09 So when I was a kid, my brother's friend used to tell me it used to say all the time. Of course I'm the youngest. I have two older brothers, and they used to say that there used to be that they had witnessed something running across the field. They were spotlight and deer one night. And they spooked something up and they were in a little S ten pickup truck and this whatever this thing was, started chasing after them, and they were doing every bit of like forty fifty miles an hour, and this thing was like right on them and they couldn't tell what it was. And a couple other people have said that it's like a jabby walker, which I've never heard of before.

9:51 Other than that, I've. Looked on the BFR be at the Bigfoot Research page, and I haven't seen anything in my area. So a lot of people when I when I when I come out and tell these stories, you know, they they definitely don't believe me because nobody's ever witnessed anything within that area. I personally think that Bigfoot is everywhere. I don't think that he's just like in the mountains or you know where there's a lot of elevation. I feel like he they're everywhere. No, I agree, I mean as long as there's you know, food source and uh, is there a lot of deer in in things in that area or what what do you have down there?

10:35 Yes, we definitely got a lot of deer and in that area that I that I've all this stuff went down. There's actually a pond back there as well, so there's definitely places for you know, food and other resources. Mm hm. Any you know, sometimes when you have things like this going on, there'll be like a lot of missing pets or things like that. Has there ever been an issue with that down there at all? Well, when I was younger growing up, we had a few cats going missing, but we just figured they just went off and died somewhere. You know, I don't really know, you know, to be honest.

11:21 What's it like talking to your dad regarding Have you ever talked to him about what he saw? Yes? I have spoke to him about it. He's, like I said, he was never a believer until he actually seen what he's seen that day, and ever since then, it's definitely made him a believer. I got it got him into actually watching like the big Foot shows on TV, and I mean, I believe he's just as hooked as I am. You said, there's definitely no bear down in your area right now. Western Maryland has bears, but not the eastern Shore, gotcha.

12:04 Yeah, it doesn't really make sense that they would be over there. But that's interesting especially, I mean, well, the even more interesting I think is seeing the orbs. What color were those? Again, he never wanted in the detail to actually tell me what color they were. He just said that he saw them and they moved super fast and jumped from tree to tree. He said, it moves like wave like, it shoots right up the tree and it just like jumps from one tree to the other. Gotcha, when in this area where all the all the things are going on, are there ever any other weird things to happen, maybe out of place sounds or anything.

12:49 I thought. So I pretty much grew up there all my life when I was a kid, and I used to hear a lot of crazy sounds in the woods. And anytime I went and you know, asked my father, Hey, you know what what was that sound I heard? He'll be like, you know, that's a fox or it's something like that mating. I've heard stories of, like with the big foots. Like from listening to your show where it sounds like a woman screaming. I've actually heard that when I was younger in that area. Oh so you've heard like that screaming noise, Yes, sir, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean foxes can I'm sure you're aware of how foxes sound, right, and they can sound weird, but uh, it's a little bit different. I'm sure you're you're probably aware of the difference, and you know that the sound of the animals that are in that area.

13:50 Mm hmm. That's very that's very interesting. After you had these things happen and and and people were having sightings, did anything weird ever start to happen around the house. No, not that I can recall. Not nothing recently either. Besides, you know what my dad's seen, but that was probably last time I heard him talk about those oars was probably a year ago, six months to a year ago. I'm actually getting ready to move back to that area, so when I get over there, I'm definitely going to be doing some more research myself.

14:34 Do you know of anyone that is already doing research in that area? No, not not anybody. Yeah, it's it's an area that I have never heard anyone bring up. So that's that's very interesting. It'll be interesting, you know, definitely keeping keep in touch if you if you do end up, you know, going out and if you start to find things out there, I could could get pretty interesting. Yes, sir, are there. I've been hooked. I've been hooked on it ever since. Man, yeah, big fanatic, man.

15:16 Big for society will be right back after these messages. I'm I'm right there with you. Are there any uh? Yeah, some some, especially on the East Coast, you have these towns and and they have like really old like town stories or legends. Are there any any of those down in this area from you know, one hundred years back or anything like that.

16:00 No, not really. I mean there's like some paranormals, paranormal stuff, but it's more or less like I don't know, at least half an hour to an hour from from that area, but not exactly in that area. I haven't heard of anything. Oh okay, so it'd be like there's haunted stuff like an hour away stuff like that, right right, gotcha? That is interesting. It's it. You know, you look at it a map and people wouldn't think that there could be bigfoot stuff. But I mean it's just you've got Delaware to the to the east of it, and then you've got Delaware Bay, and then that area South Jersey is just crazy with bigfoot stuff. The Vineland area, I mean, it's right there. Yeah, So man, I don't think it's it's out of the question that I mean, you have you have that confirmed visual from your father, which is pretty rock and right.

17:02 And after I've seen that footprint in the woods, there's nothing that tells me that it's anything else but a big foot. I mean it had to heal the toes everything. Now, when you saw that footprint, did you see more than one? Or was it a single footprint in that area? Hey, Jeremiah, to be honest with you, was I only seeing one? I walked around and figured, you know, it might have been a long step. I could never find a second footprint. I only found the one. That's weird, I my friend, I don't know. I had.

17:42 Actually it was in a video on the area fifty eight Museum channel. Steve brought up an idea where when you maybe when you see one of those, you know, footprints by themselves and it's underneath them just some trees, it might be worth looking up in the trees because they may have done a thing where they kind of launched themselves up in the tree and they're they're hanging on to a pine tree up there. So it's something I'm going to keep in mind when I go out go out to the Pacific Northwest again. But it might be something to keep in mind when you go back to the area as well.

18:23 Definitely, definitely, definitely, I'm definitely going to look for that because you know, at the time, like I said, I wasn't that big of a believer and I didn't really think of much. After I've seen the one footprint, I wouldn't. I didn't think, you know, to look up. But I'm definitely going to look up and when i go back to that area, I'm going to do some. Research and see what I can find. You'd mentioned that your kid's mother was was very affected. Is she still pretty affected and with the whole subject or or how is she with that now? She's she's definitely still affected by it. You know. I told my son about it, and he's actually you know, actually confronted her about it, and she explained it to him because he wasn't born at the time, and and the way you know, she explained it to him, it's pretty much the same, you know, the same, same, same thing, And you know, I feel like she's still affected by it till just till this day.

19:23 Absolutely, you know, uh, you being able to talk to the different people that have these experiences and then yourself as well, from everything that you've been able to hear from the witnesses and experience yourself, would you categorize it more as something that is maybe a human relative, or something that's more ape like or or what would you say? I would say it's more humanoid, more of a human human like the way the way my kids, the way my kid's mother explained it. You know, when she had saw it, she said, you know, it was on all fours and had black fur and had a human face.

20:18 Did she ever explain what things about the face made it seem like a human face to her? No, she never actually ever went into detail about it. Sure, you know, that's that's pretty much all she had said. I think she was so spooked. I haven't really talked to her recently about the situation that happened that many years ago. But next time I, you know, I do have a conversation with her, I will bring that up and try to get some more information about that day as well. Now, off of what you're doing AD has said, and off of what you experienced as well, how how tall would you estimate that?

21:09 Well? Yeah, well, well what my dad had saw it was, like I said, it was about two hundred yards away from the front porch, and he said this thing was huge, every bit of like eight to ten feet tall. And what I had seen out the corner of my eye that day when I turned around in my parents' driveway. It was such a quick clamp and I mean my truck sits up quite a bit, and it was it was big, whatever it was, but it moved so fast, you know, it was really hard to tell exactly how. Tall it was. I couldn't make out like an arm or anything, but I definitely saw black. Fur, some wild wild stuff. I think once this episode gets out, I'll be interesting to hear to see if other people in the area have experienced things. I'm gonna guess that. I mean, you look at a map and you've got that what is it the Chopp Tank River just you know, they could just follow that up through Bethlehem up to Denton and you've got what is it that I'm gonna say that weird nanta Coke, Right, Nanticoke got a big wildlife area down there. Yeah, man, this is a very very interesting area, especially if you have a ton of deer in that area. Thank you for reaching out and for sharing what you have experienced. Definitely keep us informed as to if you experience anything else

22:41 in that area. I definitely will and I appreciate you having me. On here absolutely well. Pleasure chatting with you. Scott will be in touch, all right, all right, man, thank you, all right, we'll talk to you later. So yeah, all right, big for society, but the privilege of talking to Ernie today. Ernie is a listener that reached out to me from northeast Oklahoma about some an interesting experience he had, So welcome to the show, Ernie. Hey man, I appreciate you, thanks for having me. I look forward to sharing the story with you guys and the listeners. Absolutely well, Ernie, I'd say we get right into it. It sounds like it's going to be a really interesting one. I've been waiting to talk to you for a while.

23:22 But you know, Ernie, I'm going to go ahead and pass the mic right over to you and feel free to take us back to where we need to be. Okay. Yeah, This story actually takes place back in March of two thousand and one, so about twenty four, twenty five years ago. I was sixteen years old this time. I'm forty now, going to school, getting ready for law school things like that. So a little bit about me. But me and my three sisters were going to visit a family member that had a new baby, so putting him about twenty five. Now. We was going to their home, which was out in Purea, Oklahoma, which is just a little town on the other side of the Spring River in the Quapaw Nation Reservation. We were went out there, we visited. It was break time. We went there, visited with a family, Me and my three sisters, Melissa man dead, Connie.

24:17 Melissa was fifteen, it is time. Benda is eight and Connie is six. So we went out there and had a nice visit seeing the baby, you know, did all that good stuff. It was about nine thirty, ten o'clock at night. We decided that we needed to head back home to Commerce, Uh, which is another town just on the other side of Qualpa wast in the same reservation. Driving back down the road, back country road, nothing spectacular, just a clear night driving down the road and me and the sister just having nice conversations, uh, talking about some baby. We get about three miles outside of that little town and I noticed something walking all along the edge of the road. Uh, on my on the on the opposite side of the road. We're heading north and he's walking the same direction. I look at my sister in the front seat once at the time, uh most of the time, and I said, it's off the lake to be walking with no kind of light or anything like that there just and she's like, yeah, yes, that's kind of weird. And you know, the two sisters in the backseat just having a oversation amongst and so uh we keep driving. Uh get about one hundred and fifty seat the silhouette just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and I'm like, am I seeing this? I look at my sister and I said, once, are you seeing the same thing I'm seeing. She's like, yeah, that's kind of weird.

25:46 And I was like all right, So we uh proceeded to drive up. Like I said, it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and uh, it was just just it was breathtaking. The time we get we get about fifty to twenty five yards from this thing and it stands. It stood nine to ten feet tall and had and had dark brown fur, which was just completely baffling. And me and my sister are just both dumbfounded. By this what we're seeing and I'm like, are you seeing what I'm seeing? And she's like yeah. By this time, the two girls in the back feet are seeing this and they're starting to freak out. They don't know what they don't know what's going on, and they're they're losing their minds.

26:30 We get a little bit closer and by this time I'm seeing this and I'm like, well, so this it what I think it is, and she's like yeah. And at this time, the girls, the two girls in the back feet are scream and don't stop, don't stop or any just keep going. And at this time, the headlights to the creature, it stops, literally stops, and we're driving probably five ten mile an hour, stops. The headlights can get on it. If an animal like a deer or something, you know, gets caught in headlights, all freeze and that's what's this thing done? That frozen the headlights, which was just kind of odd. And when the when the headlights froze, the eyes illuminated a yellow. It was just the weirdest yellow that I ever seen. And at this time, my sister's like, Ane, this is something I've never seen more And I'm like I know, well, it's just a bigfoot.

27:20 And she's like it is and she's like, what do we do and I'm like, I don't know, and uh it it stops makes eye contact us with us for about ten fifteen seconds, I would say, made eye contact with us, literally looked at us like it was peering into my soul. And I'm like, this is crazy. And uh, just as nonchalantly as it uh was walking down the road, it just beard off to the left and walked down in the wilderness and mister woods and just appeared outside, which was just the which was the craziest thing I've ever seen. And at that point we're all freaking out, and the two sisters and my figure like if we just see a bigfoot now? I was like, yeah, we did, And and my sister Melissa the time, she was like this is this is crazy? And I was like yeah.

28:09 And so we sped off and then got up out of that way, and then we came home and told our parents what was going on, and they're like, yeah, come on, guys, you know, and they pulled the two sisters aside and they shared the exact same story. And this should have been a story that we that we share on a regular basis. Unfortunately, my sister Melissa, who was fifteen at times, she passed away in twenty twenty three due to go to cancer. And one of the last things we talked about We've talked about going down to Hanobia down down in Tallahena where they have the Bigfoot Festival and life gotten away and we never got a chance. And one of the last things I promised her before she passed and I would continue to tear this to share the story of our encownmer and everything.

28:55 And we me and the other the two sisters that are surviving, we're going to go down this year and try to tell the story and trying to continue to keep this story going so that other people can hear it and you know, maybe they'll come forward with their stories and be just more apt to speak about it. That is such a cool thing that you're doing. Yeah, that that that is really cool. I'm sorry that you lost your sister. It's all right, man. She uh she bought a hard battle, but he ended up winning in the end. So that's that's that's what gives us a little bit of peace.

29:40 Yeah, I think she would. I think she's really happy that you're continuing to share that story, Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about what you're absolutely yeah, So what would you say, is the closest that you got to what you were seeing? What the closest I have gotten? The closest I have gotten would be the closest what I've seen. It's definitely, Uh, I haven't seen anything quite like what I've seen back then. I mean I've heard like different noises and things like that, which I can't draw a conclusion to whether it being that or not. But uh, the closest I've ever seen to it would be, you know, kind of like what you see on TV and TV shows the CGI and things unlike I Like I've told people that have seen that I share this story with, is like what you see on TV and the CGI that is almost like you can't describe it any better than what you see on TV from what I saw all those years ago, and that image is just steered into my mind that that it's just perfect, like wow, that actually what we're seeing on TV. What they what they're the artists renderings and things like that are just still uncanny to what they think it is toward in reality of what I saw, which was just which was mind blowing to me. I've never seen anything. I have never seen anything like that

31:12 to this. Day, big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. Do you remember any specific features of the face or was it is it too dark to see anything? Well with the headlights and the headlights shining on it, it actually had like it had a human human futuristics of a human face. It was weathered and things like that.

31:56 Like I said, the face was weathered. You can you can tell that it had been out in the the elements and things like that. You know, the skin was rough and dry, almost like a leatherish, just a lot of weathered lines and things and just kind of just kind of like weather worn and just like it worn down and just kind of had like the furrow around it and just kind of it wasn't the face wasn't very The face just had such a human had a human characteristics, but at the same time you knew it wasn't humans. Is what you saw? Would you say it was more something that looked ape like or maybe something that looked human like, or something completely different.

32:41 Honestly, that's the question that we do that I get do you get asked a lot of times the uh, the body feature, the actual overall body structure. U. It had eight featuristics, but it also was had human characteristics. It was almost kind of like a like a half and half if I was to explain it. It had half human beaturistics. And when it was walking, it actually walked human like you know, obviously nine to ten feet tall, it you know, it kind of walked a little bit different than a normal human. It had the long strides and things like that in the arms flailing back and forth. But like I said, the actual the actual body structure was human, but it had the fur of an ape and had that kind of had had to build of a had the build of like a like a like a sizzle back guerrilla.

33:28 Almost absolutely, do you remember anything if there was any emotion to the face at all that you saw there? Really, honestly, there was no emotion at all. It was just kind of like it kind of looked at me, kind of looked into the car, looked at it. It didn't like give this like any like aggressive fell any aggression towards it on his face or anything. It didn't. It's kind of one of those things that kind of like peered into our soul, look into us kind of like, hey, you guys are doing your thing, I'm going to do my thing. And he just kind of went off into the woods to wherever he went off into, and we went on about our went on about our day, and it was just kind of just kind of like, hey, you know, you know I exist, I know you exist, So let's just coexist a piece here. And we're like, Okay, we're not going to go out and bother with you.

34:22 You're not going to bother with me. So, like I said, we just kind of drove on about our went on about our evening, and went on home for the night, and like I said, he didn't, like I said, show any like aggression or want to like try to attack the car or anything, and just kind of went off and did his own things. Do you remember if there was a certain shape to the head at all? Not really. I didn't quite notice that like a certain shape or anything that that kind of stood out. Just kind of, like I said, everything just kind of happened to a blur. I didn't want to like make it think like am I stroking out here or I'm like I know I didn't do any like psychedelic drugs or anything. I'm sixteen, so I don't what that stuff is. Just kind of just kind of like freaking out, and like I said, just kind of it was just you know, the experience overall shocked is uh. When the shop wore off, we actually kind of sat down in uh haard notes and everything, and like our stories just kind of kind of all coexisted and we just kind of all share the same story.

35:20 But like I said, there was just nothing that I can that I can recall that that would give you a clear indication of what kind of characteristics that we've seen at that time. Absolutely did. Have you ever gone back to that area since then? Actually? Yeah, that actually the area where the actually the area where we're is. It's just on the outside of another town, and uh, we go through there quite often. I would say we probably go there to probably two or three times a week. Uh, Like I said, it's a just actually the actual location is i'd say probably three four miles from the well on Nation Palo Grounds where they actually hold their annual palow every year. So I mean, like I said, there's a lot of paranormal activity that goes on within this area. So it's just kind of like a lot of Native American legends and things that goes on at this in this in this region of that area.

36:18 So and I always want to be careful when you've got things like that. Now, if there are stories in the area, are there stories that are not well, let me see, how do I want to say this? So I feel comfortable when there's stories and legends that are shared by the individual themselves, if if it's a Native American culture and history, but are there stories that are part of the culture there as well that are outside of the Native American culture.

36:59 Uh? Yeah, Yeah, there's a little bit. There's a little bit of stories. I mean, they have what in the last episode that you spoke to the lady who hear about Grand Lake area, she mentioned little people. She had a different name for what we call them little people up here, and you know, they kind of they kind of like she said, they kind of trigger and do things high things and do whatever. I mean, that's kind of like one of the only stories. But a lot of the a lot of the stories that are that we're shared around here are kind of like passed down in through the from the Native Americans into the non native culture. So I mean, and it's kind of like you kind of like you have the Dear Lady, the Dear Lady.

37:41 But one of the big things that we are known for here in this area, it would be the hornet spook light. I don't know if you've heard of that, but yeah, yes, uh, that area where we saw the Bigfoot is actually like I would say, probably five miles from the spook light from that area. Really, yes, oh yes, absolutely, oh wow. I've actually seen that spook light a couple of times. So that is one of those things in that area, which is within that Devil's Hollow, that Devil's Hollow, Devil's Promenade area, So that hornet spook light, like I said, is about five miles from that. That is the main story that resonates through the non natives within this area.

38:21 Now, why is that area called Devil's Hollow. There was a lot of Satanic activity that happened, you know, during the Satanic Uh, the Satanic Uh, the Satanic scare of the late eighties early ninety A lot of the people and a lot of that played into it. But a lot of it is the native words. Whenever it translated into English translated to like devil or whatever they kind of or whatever word that they kind of used for an evil spirit. That's interesting. That would probably be an interesting study to to on the words of Yeah, location words of that area sometimes yeah, well we'll just leave it there. But some listeners know know what I'm talking about. There's some words that you find repeated in locations across the US.

39:20 And Henry Franzoni did a really good wrote a really good book on that different maybe Bigfoot related words. But I haven't heard that, but I'll have to look into that. Yeah, Like I said, this area actually like just to mention at home of five Native American tribes. Oh wow, uh five different, five different tribes. You've got the Clapballs, You've got to Senecer's, You've got to Autowaws, You've got the Purias. You've got and the Cherokees. But the Cherokees headquarters are located in uh plack Wall, which is like an hour and a half from where I'm at. But like I said, our tribes are more of the Peoria tribe, the Miamas, the claw Falls and things like that.

40:07 So a lot of that culture is ingrained, which which is weird. I mean, we're my family is a little Native American, but we're not of the tribals from around here where Shoshoney from out west, and we don't actually have quite we don't actually quite have that that kind of story is to this area. But what's crazy is that, like me and my three sisters, we had an experience. And then my mom and dad they moved down down to the Grand Lake area, to the town of Windott, which is another Native American tribe that is here and they live off in the woods. And when my mom and dad moved out here about ten years ago, he actually came across the big foot that he saw standing in the road and it just scared him. And, like I said, he's a truck driver, so he's seen all kind of crazy things, and he said it was just the craziest thing he'd ever experienced. And my eight year old nephew, who lets you go outside and shoot baby guns and take pop shots at cans, he went outside and was shooting one day and I think my mom had told me She's like, he came back inside after about five minutes and he's like me, moll, He's like, well, he got something bad out there, and she was like, oh, in an eight year old over imagine it over over zells imagination and she's like, Okay, what is it? And she's like, He's like, there's a monthy man out there, meanwhall.

41:27 And then they were flipping through channels on the on the satellite and they came across the Bigfoot show and with the story and everything, they kind of just kind of stop and take a listen to it. And my nephew just have me walking in the room and he's meanwhile, that's what I saw out there in the woods. And so so the connection, kind of the connection of Bigfoot actually kind of runs deep into the deep within my family. So we have actually seen multiple family members have actually experienced a bigfoot. And then in that same area from the Devil's Tom and a maid, my cousin who her brother that had the baby back in the twenty years ago, he'd actually came across one at the at the state park at the bridge and he talked about the story about how it just jumped off the bridge into the water and started swimming down the river.

42:19 Oh man, what uh what state park was that? Well, some state I wouldn't necessarily say this, it was called Bicentennial State Park at the time, and it closed down in around eighty five eighty eight, So it's just kind of we call it a Devil's from an age park. It's at the Spring River, just right there by the Indian pala Grounds. Sure is this area, let's say this commerce area, is it known for a lot of Bigfoot related activity or not? Really? The commerce area where I'm at is actually more of a more of a city. It's more of a I wouldn't say urban area, but it is more Uh, it's not rule so to speak. We're we're we're closer to the town of Miama, which has about has about fourteen thousand people. The area where we saw the Bigfoot, you know, has a population of like eight hundred, So it's more rural and uh, backwoods and a lot of wooded area.

43:20 Gotcha, how has this affected you since you had that sighting. Since I've had this siding? Man, it's just kind of like I said, I try to think things logically, like I said, as a pursuing a career and the law, so I mean, you got to think logically, and everything has what happens for a reason. And from from that day forward, I have just consumed as much big Foot content crypted, uh crypted inative American legends, just kind of like as much as I can consume, and uh just try to get it, try to get a deeper understanding of what what I actually saw. It's kind of like one of those things. It's kind of like, I'm I'm firmly a believer. My three sisters of my sisters that are still alive are still are firmly believers, and my sister who passed is was a firm a firm believer as well. And uh, we just kind of uh consumed as much content as we could. And I worked graveyards at a at a local at a local manufacturing facility, and uncessali was going on my mind and the Bigfoot story.

44:18 Somebody was talking about bigfoot work and I was just like, you know, I need to get back into that and start telling the stories. And I got on and started searching podcast. I came across your podcast and uh and another one, and I started listening and everything, and I'm like, man, I'm want to reach out to these guys and kind of share my story and uh see what they think. But another thing that we did a few years ago before she passed away, she encouraged me to share the story. And I had actually reached out to the BFRO out of Kansas City and shared my story with them, and they actually, uh had an investigator, Carter from Kansas City had actually reached out and did an interview with me, and uh we talked about it for a little bit and they published that siding on their on their website and it's logged into the VFRO as a Class A siding, which they consider that one of their more they're more credible sidings with it having multiple people. So, I mean, the story is, it's out there. But this was before the podcast ways, so before people started consuming more and more content. So, like I said, it was just one of those things that was laying on this time and I wanted to get my sister's story out there to keep her memory alive as well. And like I said, I just reached out to you guys, and you guys seem to be interested in the story, and I just wanted to share it, and it was just kind of I just want to I want to let people know that that there are things out there in this world that we don't know. There's a lot of things out there that we do not know exist, but they do exist.

45:51 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. It's just when and where are we going to uh come across that? Whenever are we gonna when are we going to actually when is our technology going to catch up to give us a give us a concrete signing of big foot? When are we going to come across a body or actually somebody capturing big Foot or kills it while it's out in the wilder and it's hunting at the same time. So it just kind of it's just kind of crazy. And like I told other people, I do believe if something happens, I do believe that Bigfoot is kind of that missing link between the proverbial missing link that everyone talks about. I think that is our missing link to humans and primates. That's the that's that link that we're trying to that they're they're trying to discover and with the and like I like, I like when it comes to hunt and things like that, I do want to if you said I want to go hunting, hunting a man or an animal, I want to tell you I want to hunt a man. Twice on Sunday and every day on the week because a man has tendencies and you kind of can track and we follow a set pattern. But with that an animal, you know, they're they're unpredictable. So what I think makes that makes a bigfoot or a sasquatch so different is

47:23 that it can it can relay on human tech tendencies and it can relay on an animal tendency to where it kind of deceives, kind of deceives us and just kind of makes it and stays within that shadow realm to where we're not quite we're almost there, but we're not there yet exactly. And it's just the intelligence that's reported is so interesting. It is it's crazy with the intelligence. I mean, like I said, I haven't actually heard like knockings or anything or rocks being thrown, but like my mom has heard the knockings and things like that, and everyone in my family now our firm believers in in the actual the Bigfoot.

48:05 So I mean it's not like I do have friends that are like, hey, you've got a third eye when I should have told the story. But at the same time, I mean they actually haven't had the experience to where they've had the experience to where they've seen it. So they don't know, and they're they're going by their logical thinking to where this doesn't exist, because we don't have evidence to show us that they do exist. So they're looking at it from a pure, purely scientific standpoint. Exactly. And you know, that'll be interesting. I think that, especially with all your AI video and and things like that, it will take something extremely substantial to prove to oh absolutely, we're way just the point where anyone can throw out a video and it'd be like, oh yeah, that's enough. No, it's it's not enough anymore.

49:00 Man. It's just like I said, it was just one of the weirdest times. Like I said, it's just so weird of how something that can happened so many years ago. We're going on the actually next month will be the twenty five years of that of that experience, so I mean the silver anniversary of it. So I mean, it's just crazy to think that twenty five years ago something like that actually happened, and and and it's still ways so fresh on my mind, like it happened yesterday. And uh, like I said, it's just a story that we would always still come up and we would, we would share it and uh, like I said, whenever my sister was on hospice and everything, and before she went non verbal, it would be one of the one of the last stories that we talked about. It was how she wanted, like I said, to get that story back out there and to release it to the to release it to the people that are interested in it and want to go out and take a try to find the big Foot and try to try to determine that link between what going on and what's not. So I mean, it's just kind of a weird, kind of a weird situation and it's just just fascinating to me. Like I said, I just consumed as much cryptic content as as I can.

50:07 And Oklahoma is actually the whole state of Oklahoma is just a hotbed for cryptid activity within the whole state, from southeast Oklahoma to northeast Oklahoma out west to the Panhandle. And it's just crazy of all the stories of just kind of like different things Native American, Native American folk or just there's just just something weird that goes on here in Oklahoma that's just kind of hard hard to put a finger on. You know, you're You're absolutely right. I mean the stories, the accounts I get from not just Southeast, but I mean there's is not just bigfoot in the state either. There's plenty of dog man reports. You've already mentioned the little people reports that were in the other episode, and it's just it's like, what is going on down there?

50:58 I have no idea. When you mentioned a dog man in that last episode, that is something that I had actually never never even heard of and in the state of Oklahoma, which that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's just something that I had actually never something that I had never heard or had had passed down And when I I and after listening to you mentioned in the dog Man, I kind of did a little bit of research into it, and I noticed that that was more like a Michigan, Wisconsin kind of thing. But that doesn't mean to say that they don't kind of like listen more more down this way, more kind of like what we got, we get more like like a Cherokee devil or something kind of like that, kind of like I know, the crazy show Mountain Monsters had to they're fectitionalized.

51:44 Episode of the Cherokee Monster has nothing to do with the actual legend of how it is around here. We actually before coming on, a friend of mine actually shared something to my Facebook page talking about how the actual Cherokees back in the eighteen hundreds and whenever they first moved here actually had killed a bigfoot and actually they had got into a battle with bigfoots and killed killing one. But I mean, there's no substantiated report to it. It's just just kind of like how a legend has passed down. But discussing it with another bigfoot researcher out in Washington, he had mentioned that that he thinks it's more of a like a giant, that there's a legend of giants, and we kind of come to the conclusion that was probably more of a killing like a like like a giant, so to speak.

52:40 It's very very interesting. I think, I don't know, there's definitely a very very strong, you know, Native American presence to that state that may very well have something to do with it. But I mean, you also get down to southeast Oklahoma and you have the the Washta National Forest, which is just so I want to say, maybe even a million acres. It is a large, large piece of it's. Massive, it's massive, It spreads a long ways. There are things, I mean, there are places in there that have probably never been stepped foot in. Oh, absolutely, val you know, absolutely absolutely.

53:24 Not surprising that there could be things down there that are hard, are hard to see, or that have never had contact with humans before. Who knows. Absolutely that's exactly that's exactly right, And that's that's the problem. There is just so much of our I do believe that there's so much of our of our physical our physical earth and things that we actually haven't discovered. Kind of like to like the depth of the ocean. I mean, I think I read somewhere where it was like less than five percent of the actual ocean has been discovered. I say that our actual land mass is probably you're going to be within that scope of things too, kind of like an the Amazon, that there's Amazon rainforest, there's places that have never never seen that human has never been into. And I do think that there's good, like you said, down there in southeast Oklahoma, so that there's niggers that have that have never been set foot in by by humans. So it's it's just a it's just a weird kind of kind of thing, and it's just uh, just kind of a just a random coincidence, and like I said, it's just kind of where where we're at with the like I said, that Spooklight and everything, it's just kind of we get people from all over the country coming out here to take a look at the Spooklighter, to try to see it, to try to understand what it actually is. And it's just kind of crazy to me that people actually like you and the other gentleman I spoke with, actually heard about the Spooklight and have actually done research into it. And it just baffles me

54:54 to where our our small little map dot here and uh Oklahoma actually gets the attention of the greater United States and the world at the same time. Absolutely, Ernie, I just want to say thank you for reaching out and for you know, coming on to share in Also, you know, a great tribute to your your sister as well, and I hope you're able to share that down and oh no, be this this coming October. We I sure do appreciate you taking the time to reach out and having me on the show, man, and I look forward to catching up with the episodes man.

55:35 Like I said, Spotify has been a lifesaver and discovered your podcast and I have just fell in love with it and what I enjoyed listening to the stories because like I said, they just kind of give me that link and try to consume more and more and gain more knowledge of what of what I'm trying to understand to try to like educate other people to what is actually out there to where you know, you've got to have a little bit of faith and you got to have a little bit faye, to put yourself out there to try to try to understand what because there is a there is a there is a bridge between the human life and we're in the Native Americans, they will be afterlife. I do believe that there is a there is a bridge in between there that does need to be explored. And like I said, I just want to thank you for having me on and look forward to hearing more. And uh, like I said, I've got people here that are anxiously waiting for this episode to drop whenever it drops, so we can get it shared, to get it shared and get more people here in the tales of what's going on with the work that you're doing.

56:36 And like I said, I want to thank you for the work that you do and the concentr you put it out to get out there, to get these words out and listening to people like me who people think that we're crazy. Oh I don't think so that that's where the truth is. So it's great talking to you, Ernie, and keep in touch if anything else comes. Up, Mahas absolutely. Man. If you ever need anything or come across anything, or want to hear more stories about the spoke Wrider somethen, I'll be more happy to send them to you an email and take a look. Adam, if you want to do an episode or something about this Booklid, feel free to reach out and I'll talk to you anytime. Yes, sir, you have a great one. You too, sir, thank you.

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