Eight Feet Tall. Black Eyes. Right Outside the Cabin.

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's account is from a mother who bought a mountain cabin in Cresline, California to help her son recover from a traumatic brain injury. But what happened next is something that was not expected. Pine combes began to appear, windows were left open. In one night, her son cried out in terror. This is Diana's story, So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Diana today. Diana as an individual that reached out to me about a very interesting set of experiences that happened to her and her son out there in Cresline, California.

0:41 Welcome to the show today, Diana. How's it going. It's going pretty good. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to tell you my story. Absolutely, this is one where well, I'm just going to say it is an extremely interesting account, and I do want to make sure that Diana has all the time that she needs in order to share it because it is a lot a lot of detail to it. So Diana, I'm going to go ahead and past things over to you. Feel free to take us back to really the beginning of your account, and you're welcome to take it from here.

1:24 Okay. So my name is Diana and I live in southern Utah now, but was born in Los Angeles and I grew up in a suburb in the eighties about an hour drives south of vallet I graduated with a Bachelor of Science and legal studies, and I work in the legal field and as a social worker. My father emigrated to the US in the sixties from Mexico and he married my mother right after she graduated from high school. So she is Native American and she lived her formative years on the reservation. However, at twelve years old, she and her family moved to Los Angeles, and my siblings and I were raised atheists because my dad was atheists, so he didn't want us to grow up with religion. However, my mom, being maded, we were raised with her beliefs and traditions, and having been brought up with both sides of the family, we grew up hearing about superstitions, ancestors and ghosts, spirits. We observed the other little MorphOS, which is day of the Dead, traditions, etc. You know that kind of stuff, and it was a blend of both cultures.

2:44 So I grew up believing in the existence of both worlds. But I had to keep these ideas and beliefs to myself, growing up with what I call regular American kids. To say so, my son was born the child of an older man twelve years my senior, someone that I had built a strong, respectful partnership with and co parenting with him was very easy. And when my son was born, I was living in a city in San Bernardino County with a safe neighborhoods excellent schools. They're known for their strong academic programs and the city's well connected, making it easy to commute to Los Angeles and other parts of southern California. At six years old, my son was far more interested in nature than in playing with other kids.

3:41 Like during reces, while other kids were playing on the black top of the field, my son would linger at the edge as scanning the ground for what he called his treasures. He was always searching for the perfect pebble, twig, leave, all that kind of stuff. He was into, like textures, colors, the weight and shape of items, and he would like meticulously examine insects, stuff like that that's the kind of kid he was. He never minded being alone, and when my son was eight years old, he was diagnosed with autism. It used to be called Asperger syndrome. He had a high IQ, but struggled with social skills. At twelve years old, he towered head and shoulders above other classmates. I think he was I think he stopped growing now because he's currently six foot four, about twenty years old. He's almost twenty, and he's always had a quiet demeanor, just a sweet personality, always shown a huge interest in nature, math, science, how things worked, why they function the way they do. And around mid twenty sixteen, if I recall correctly, I bought a cabin in Crestline in southern California, and the town was in the San Bernardino Mountain that's below Arrowhead and Big Bear if you're familiar with that area. The town itself is small and tranquil, but it's about a twenty

5:12 twenty five minute drive down off the mountain to the cities below. Our home was on top of a hill and was about thirty five yards above a narrow one way road, and they had vertical sloping steps leading to the entrance. The first level from the ground was actually a walkout basement, meaning that it wasn't underground. And then above that was the main living level with a nice big porch in front of the part of the home. And although the home had a dramatic sloping front yard, my son's bedroom was situated on the back portion of the home. They had a flat fence backyard, but his bedroom window was about ten feet above the ground and I like that because it was it was high enough to where I felt that he was safe, especially because we didn't have air conditioning, so in the summertime, in the evenings, we would just leave the bedroom windows open to get that cool breeze that would cool the house down.

6:15 And then my bedroom window was situated towards the front of the home, and looking out my bedroom window was the front wooden porch. So that's our home. And then there was a lot of huge pine trees on our lot and surrounding area, so my son particularly loved these huge pine cones. The big pine cones weren't found on our property. We had to walk about maybe a half hour away from our cabin. We would go on nature walks, and these cones were called some people call them window makers, because as you can imagine, they're huge, and if they were to fall on someone like from such a height, they could potentially kill a person. So most of the time we would find other different kinds of pine cones in our yard, and my son would keep all the nice ones and he would line them up on the porch railing, and he had plans. We were going to coat them with peanut butter and roll them in bird seeds so that we can hang them for the birds in the squirrelds to eat the seeds. As summer passed, the new school year was approaching, and I filled out all the school forms that you usually do when the new year's coming, and I included our new address. But because of our new address, that placed us in a different school district, and then I was informed that you could no longer attend the school there. We were so

7:49 upset because he was going to be uprooted from an environment he had gotten accustomed to. He had a small stercol friends, and then he was progressing in the therape that they would provide him school. Even though the Mountain schools had an after school program, I just I couldn't enroll him there because of the risk of snowfall that would make the roads impassable, and then the risk of me not being able to pick him up. So his father and I decided to enroll him out of school in his school district that was close to his father's home, So he was to walk home after school and then I would pick him up after work and then we would make the drive up the mountain. The city that his father lived in is a predominantly Latino community. There's a lot of poverty, gangs, violence. I mean, some neighborhoods are nice and others struggled. And the school my son had to attend had a lot of underfunded programs. There were inexperienced new teachers, there's limited resources and whatnot. And at this school, my son was at school different social circles.

9:02 He was bullied, He didn't have any friends, and this affected his personality. It was very painful to watch. One day when he was sitting in class unaware, he was struck on the back of the head with a blunt object. He said he was in pain so bad that he vomited on the floor next to his desk, and the teacher didn't show any empathy, nor did she ask if he was okay. She just sent him to the office unattended, where he ended up. I'm sorry this is He ended up falling on the way to the office and he had a seizure, but the janitor luckily saw escorted him to the nurse and his father and I were called to the school and we immediately took him to the hospital and he suffered a concussion, and after a follow up appointment with a specialists, we discovered he had a traumatic brain injury and this caused continued continued seizures and he missed about three months of school, and then during this time he had a lot of doctor appointments, so I took a leave of absence from work to take care of him. We took advantage of this time to

10:32 stay up in Crestline as much as possible, but we couldn't go out for walks anymore like we used due to his seizures. UH one day, all his pine cones were missing, the ones that he had on the railing, and he was so upset that he had a complete emotional breakdown on the porch and then that turned into a seizure and then I brought eventually when it stopped I brought him inside into the home. Eventually his seizures became less and less frequent because of the medication he was taken, and also he was just physically feeling better, but emotionally he wasn't. So we, like I said, we stopped going on our nature walks and stop looking for pine cones. As part of my morning ritual, I would go outside of my front porch to drink my morning cup of coffee because I like to meet the fresh chris morning air and sit there till the stillness of the mountains were filled with bird songs and I'd like to see the sun come up. But one morning I found a huge pine cone on the porch railing. And you know, we didn't have any of those type of pine trees on or near our property, so I wondered how the pine cone got there. And then the next morning another appeared. It had been played is exactly where the first one had been, and another the day after.

12:05 Day by day it is continued for about a week, if I recall correctly, there was a fresh, big pine cone on the same spot. And I did I wonder where these came from, Like obviously someone was leaving them there, so But during this time that my son was healing, a lot of odd things started to happen. For example, like coming from the city, I never really got about trash day. You know, you put your bins out at night the night before and then the truck rolls by in the morning and takes your trash. But in the mountains, things weren't that simple. Like my neighbors stopped me one afternoon when I was willing my trash out and told me, you know, unless I wanted to wake up to a mess or worse like bears or for me, not to take my trash out until the day of pick up.

13:07 So I took his advice seriously. Some evenings, my son and I would sit on the porch listening to the crickets and the sounds of nature, and you know, we'd open our all the windows to let the cool air come in, and and it was it was nice. It was nice except one day one evening and just smelled like something like a musky scent, like a skunk smell or something that was pretty strong. So we we went and we closed all the windows because the smile was coming inside, and so we closed all the windows. And I just figured that was like some skunk out there or something. And soon after. I remember that night, my son was asleep in his bedroom and I was in my room, and then he started calling my name like he had a nightmare. So I ran over to his bedroom to see to make sure that he was okay.

14:27 But when I crossed into his room, it was really weird, like I felt like I was losing my footing. I felt kind of dizzy and sorry. And this sound sounded like it was muffled, kind of like when you're in an underwater, like in a swimming pool and it sounds muffled. That's that's what had happened. That's what I would do. That's what happened. So it was hard for me to focus, and everything just seemed blurry and unsteady. But I managed to get to him, and I took him over to my bedroom and he was crying and all that, and he told me that he saw a man looking in through his window. But he said it was like a like a gorilla, but a man, and that he was gray and he had like a long go tea. I thought maybe he had dreamt that because his dad had like a long gray go tea. So I don't know.

15:41 I thought maybe he was dreaming that, but the next day he told me all the details and he insisted that it wasn't It wasn't a man that was looking in his window. So I started wondering, like if me it was like a peeping tom or you know. But the way the houses were apart from each other, like all the cabins were like different elevations, so it wasn't like a regular neighborhood, you know what I mean. So that was one of the things that had happened. Another was like sometimes we would be before evening, we would sit on the chairs outside on the porch and just relax, and sometimes we would have I didn't want to say that there were rocks thrown at us, because it wasn't coming from an angle, like if someone's throwing a rock at you. It kind of seemed like little pebbles were just dropping from the sky onto the porch and none of them ever hit us. It was just kind of weird that that would happen, So we didn't really understand, like, where are these little pebbles coming from? It was, you know, it's just kind of weird. And I started questioning myself, was it like our imagination, you know, was it like my mind playing tricks on me? And it was just

17:12 kind of weird. But after my son started having nightmares, I decided to buy a handgun to protect us because it was just him and I up there in the mountains. So I bought a small, little nine millimeter handgun and I would keep it under my bed frame at night, just in case I ever needed it. And I don't know if I was. I felt like, was I being paranoid or it was just weird, you know. I was just afraid, and I just thought, well, in case something happens, me being a single mom up there, I just wanted to make sure that I could protect us if in case it came down to that. I never like showed it to him. I just would, you know. Sometimes we would started going on little walks, started to go hiking again, and I would just carry it with me, Like I know that you have to have a license in California to carry it, but being up in the mountains, I just I just did. I just carried it as self defense.

18:30 It just made me feel like I wasn't as helpless. So one day one morning I went outside to the on the front porch because, like I said, I used to like to drink my coffee out there in the morning. And I walked out there and that's when I that's when I saw it. It was I was on my porch, there was my coffee mug in my hand, and I looked down below his our yard sloped down and it was like a as. It just happened so fast. I saw a bigfoot or a saw squatch or whatever you want to call it. He was about eight feet tall.

19:41 He was massive but lean, just muscular but lean, but like thin, I guess. He had a really broad chest and just like a really white shoulder blades whiter than any person I've ever seen. And he had long, thick hair. It wasn't it wasn't for it looked like hare. It was like long, long and dark brown. And it just took seconds, like I kind of just stood there in shock, and I just remember like my stomach muscles were shaking, like you know when you do a lot of sit ups.

20:26 And I'm embarrassed to say this, but I lost control of my bladder and in just seconds, just seconds, maybe he took three steps and he just went down the property like the front yard that sloped down. It was thirty five yards. He just walked down and crossed the road and down that that slope, because across the side of the road there was like a slope dropped down and then he was gone. And I was just kind of like in shock. I was just I was afraid.

21:14 I was really scared. And soon after I put the cabin up for sale and my son and I moved to Arizona. I had a long distance boyfriend, and my son's father said it was okay for me to move out there. Eventually he was going to get a job transfer and move out to Arizona, which is what we did. I was just afraid to live up there anymore after what happened, and we just went to go live in Arizona, and he had to do seventh grade over again because he had missed some school. And then eventually he graduated from high school and now he's off who went up to college after that, and my then longtime boyfriend we ended up getting married, and of all places, we decided to move to southern Utah, to a little town that's called Cedar City, and it's pretty close to like Bryce Mountain.

22:26 We're pretty close to the mountains. It's really beautiful up here, Like we get all four seasons and you know, we get snow, and which is what I liked about living up in Crestline. But we've driven through through a place called Cedar Breaks, it's not far from here, and we've gone for walks, but like, I'll never go up there alone. I don't think I can never go for a nature walk up in the mountains, knowing what could possibly be out there. I never expected that over in Saernardino Mountains, and I just wonder, like if these creatures are out in the mountains out here. It just kind of messed it up for me because I just I can't go for walks like that anymore. And my son's doing okay.

23:22 He's studying at UC Berkeley. He's majoring in microbial biology and he took a big interest in that during the pandemic, and eventually he wants to work for the CDC, so he's gone off to pursue his education. And you know, eventually recently we actually started talking about I brought up what had happened. I've been keeping a journal, and he told me that he he doesn't really want to talk about what happened. You know, he's already put that behind him.

24:09 I guess if he will, like he's just he doesn't want to go back there mentally, But he still says that that way he saw looking in the window with some kind of gray haired gorilla man with a goatee. Like he's never changed that story. He says, that's exactly what he saw and that's it. Like he's not gonna talk about it. He says that, you know, he feels like there's always a scientific explanation for everything, and he doesn't like to he doesn't like that he can't understand what it is that he saw. I guess so not to long ago, a couple of summers ago, I went to Mexico to visit a cousin of mine, to Bertha Iarta, and she took me to a medium that also does hypnotherapy.

25:19 And when I went to go see her, she wanted to start off with like meditation, and she said that it was going to be like a guided meditation, and she had like some sort of bowl, like a crystal bowl, and she explained that these are used to create a calming sound and promote like deep relative you know, relaxation, and but these bolds create like a vibrational sound called a sound bath. And so but when she did that, it created like a really negative of effect in me.

26:01 It triggered. It triggered like the memory of that time when I had rushed into my son's bedroom when when that incident happened, and it's that same sound that I heard. And it's kind of hard to describe, but that's the same sound that I heard, like that vibrational, that frequency. So it kind of like just brought back a lot of negative, negative feelings about that. And then she also liked it. A before the hypnosis, she started telling me some unusual things, Like she was tell me that that thing that my son saw was an elder of whatever, these group of I don't want to call them animals, but these creatures. So she explained to me that what we saw happened because they wanted us to see them, not because like it was supposed to happen, That they

27:35 didn't mean any harm, that the pine cones, they were leaving the pine cones there for him, that they saw his pain, they could see what he had gone through and his emotional struggles. So I guess they were left there like his gifts for him that they didn't mean to scare as or cause any harm. But after she told me all that, then she put me in like the hypnosis, and that's when she brought everything out like in detail. After the initial meeting that we had where she was telling me about these creatures. I don't know, it's just so much information. I don't and I'm sorry I have add so I kind of go back and forth and I apologize for that. But that's pretty much basically what happened.

28:34 No, you're you're doing absolutely great. I mean, this is there's so much to this this story, Diana, that this account is just incredible, and there's there's a few things that I noticed, and then maybe I'll bring up a few different parts that we'll discuss as well. But to me, to me, this account is so unique because so talking to so many people over the years, their patterns that have started to notice, right to do with witnesses that have had experiences. One that have come one that has come up multiple times is the individual being autistic or having some connection to that. Right, Usually it's autistic individuals.

29:25 Sometimes the other is yeah, that can be a very big thing. Also, a lot of witnesses that or people that have experience will have had a very traumatic event just happen beforehand or before this situation. And also something that I've noticed, and maybe not as much, but I have noticed it is that there is a pattern with TBI and traumatic brain injuries as well. The never heard of that, yeah.

30:07 Yeah, and that's something where it's not even like out there. I don't feel it's even out there in the big Foot community. It's just something I've picked up from people that I've talked to and people that I've met, Like the autism thing that's kind of out in the community, right the traumatic the trauma episodes like let's say an individual like what happened to your son, or an individual gets divorced or they have a loved one that passes away. That's something I feel that's out in the community through different things that have been written. However, the TBI might not be there as as prevalent yet. So the interesting thing is that these three different things are present in this one account, which is very, very extremely unique. I did want to clarify something, So, were you saying that when the sound bath was happening, when this individual was you know, doing the sound bath, and you were trying trying to go through hypnosis, et cetera. The were you saying, like the frequency or the tone was similar to what you experienced in your son's room that day?

31:29 Yes, he uh so, before we started with the not the hypnosis, because first she told me all these things like a medium. But then she said, okay, we're going to do hypnosis and we're going to do this sound bath. And so that frequency, that vibrational sound was pretty much what I had heard, but louder. It was so loud in my head like it it was so loud that it made like my tea rattle, if that makes sense. Yeah, But at the same time, at the same time, like all others sound like my son crying calling my name.

32:12 It sounded muffled, like when you're underwater, like in a swimming pool. I don't know if you've ever done that, and you hear outside noise but outside of the pool, but it's muffled. It wasn't like that, but yet that vibrational sound that just got louder and louder in my in my in my head. Then that's what triggered my It was like a bad reaction, Oh exactly. Yeah, And the way that you explain that is a really good I think that's a really good way to explain it because I've experienced it myself, and the only way that I have been able to explain it is that it's almost like the pressure in your ears gets different.

32:57 But the way that you're saying how it's like it's muffled you're underwater, that's the exact exact thing. I'd be curious if other people I've experienced that as well, But like when I was out in Oregon this last summer, it's exactly what would happen when we were out out in the woods. And I think that's extremely interesting what you heard that that day during the sound bath and in your son's room. Have you experienced that in any other life experiences as well, or has that just been in those two times. No, that's never happened, just only with that situation in Crestline, And I had never done yoga or gone to acuse that lady, even like my cousin says, she's a medium and she does like hypnosis. Her place, she seemed kind of like like New Age like her. She had like a little shop and she sold crystals and it just to me, it seemed like she was she had like different like she had yoga, she had Indian like can do Indian stuff there, like a little bit of everything.

34:09 So my first impression was like, she's a fake, you know, because she's drawing from all these different cultures, is what I thought, you know. But my cousin insisted, and I said, all right, okay, well let's see what happened. And I hadn't told my cousin about the the Sasquatch thing, the Bigfoot thing. It was just she had gone to this medium before and she says, Oh, I think it'll be fun if we go there, And that's how I ended up there. But like I had never done any like New age stuff.

34:51 That's interesting, And I wonder if that is related somehow to like what your upbringing was, you know, how you were It was like half you had that half influence from the atheism side, I guess also the Native American side. But I can kind of see how you may have that that way of looking at things. After that experience with the hypnotist, did you have a different viewpoint towards that individual or was it still the same? It changed? It changed because before the hypnosis. She was acting as in her medium capacity, and the things that she was telling me about I hadn't told her. I didn't tell her about the creature that had looked inside my sense window, but yet she described she called it a person. She didn't say it was a being or creature.

36:02 She said the person that looked in his window, the gray haired one with the beard, you know, was concerned about my son. And that she also mentioned that what I saw, although she didn't mention the color, but she said that what I saw that unfortunately like it caused trauma in me, but that it was meant to happen. That they only showed themselves to not to everybody. So that that's what made me feel like, Okay, this lady's not she's not like a fake, you know, because where would she get this information from? Like I hadn't told my cousin, I hadn't really told anybody other than my son's father and then now my husband. So that's when I thought, Okay, so she's somehow she's got this information and just told me what she did. So then when she said we're going to do a sound bath, she explained what that was, and then she was going to do hypnosis. At that point, I was okay with I was game, you know. I was like, all right, let's see, let's see what happens. Only because of what she had previously told me, so then I was I was willing to do this noss thing.

37:31 I know that there are sometimes when you were at the cabin without your son, correct, Yes. Because he would spend every other weekend with his dad, or sometimes during the time when we were staying there for three months while he was healing, there were times where he'd spend a week with his dad and I was just alone home alone. Are there any other things that would happen when you were at the cabin yourself? But there are things that would happen that would be kind of weird or just didn't really make sense.

38:16 Yeah, a couple of times where I felt I felt a little scared or an easy especially like say, in the evenings, I would sit out there and I'd hear the crickets. And there's also like night birds, which I'm living in a city, I never really paid attention to this kind of stuff, but up in the mountains in the evening you hear birds, you know, And sometimes I would just feel all of a sudden, I felt nervous or like my stomach muscles was start to shake like that. I don't know what you call it, but I think it's just like my instinct. A lot of people, especially living in a big city, we tend to not listen to our body right, and everything would all of a sudden get quiet, like dead quiet, no crickets, nothing at all.

39:14 And that's where I would feel nervous, like with you know, this didn't seem natural, I guess, so I would just quickly rush into the cabin and shut all the windows, lock everything up. That kind of stuff happened. Yeah, I want to talk for a few minutes about your actual sighting, if that's all right. Yeah, so you actually were able to get a pretty good look at the face of the sasquatch, correct. I did? Yeah, yeah, okay. What you saw that day? Have you seen anything else that comes close to to what you were looking at?

40:05 Kind of like a gorilla, but the nose wasn't like a gorilla's nose like. It seemed like it had like a not as flat like a gorilla, like it had like a bridge, and he had like these really high broad like the bone like the structure of the face, and his mouth seemed more like a person's lips, like full lips, not quite like a gorillat. Yeah, that's the best description.

40:50 Were you able to see its teeth at any time? No, it had its mouth closed. It was just I know it happened in just seconds. But like when I sit here and like if I close my eyes and I replay it in my in my mind, I can see its face and his mouth was closed. I say he. I don't know if it wasn't here or she, but it just I say he. But its mouth was closed, and I just remember, like the lips were kind of like kind of fool. Okay. The eyes were the eyes? Were they were all one color? Or were there whites around the edges of the eye as well?

41:44 No? Completely black or dark? No, no whites to the eyes, dark. Eyes, completely dark eyes. Wow. Was there any emotion that you could see to the face at all? No. We just stared at each other for that split second. That's because I I walked up the front door onto my porch and right where I would normally lean on the railing, so I had my coffee mug and I looked down. That's when we just our eyes locked, and I feel like my brain couldn't register what I was looking at. That's when I dropped my coffee mug and then I just lost control of my bladder. You know, I just was in shock, and it just like turned around and just I want I say, like three steps went down the sloping the sloping yard, across the narrow road and then down and that was it. And I noticed like it didn't have fur. It was like hair, like silky, not like a dog hair, not like dog furs. Yeah.

43:14 You also mentioned where you didn't get any feeling as too if it was male or female. Is that because of how it was covered with hair or. Yeah, it was fully covered, so I couldn't tell what it was. I just I feel like it was a male, But I don't know why I feel that it could have been a female for all I know. Now, I know you only saw it for just a few seconds and just a few steps as it went down your property. Did you notice anything that was out of the ordinary about the way that it moved, like it's gay as opposed to how a human would move.

44:07 Yeah, he seemed very like surefooted. I would say whenever, like my son and I would go down, Like if we were to walk down the slope the yard, down the yard, not through the steps, you would because you're going down, I feel that we would have to be very careful to not slip. And it just seemed very surefooted. Just one step back to it just happened like he had like didn't worry about slipping or anything. It just walk down.

44:47 That's that's really interesting. A lot of people will say something to the effect of that, where it's like walking with purpose or you know, very sure of how they're walking. Did you notice anything about the posture of what you were looking at? No, other than it had long arms. I can remember that, like, not like a person, like below the knees or something. It was just long, kind of like Chewbacca. Okay, you know, like the long arms. Sure like that.

45:30 Yeah. And it wasn't making any noise during this whole time. No, it was completely quiet. Did the head have a particular shape to it? Not that I can not that I can recall. Gotcha? How how close was your neighbor in this area? Probably about forty yards away? Oh? Ok, gotcha?

46:10 Pretty far? Yeah? Not that not like a regular neighborhood. Because the different houses were different elevations like my front yard slope down more than my neighbor's yard where it was just the placement. I had sent you my address because what I did recently I went onto Google Maps and I put in the address, and you know how you can kind of see like the they have pictures of the roads and you can kind of walk through there and turn it and see the property and all that.

46:53 I don't think you. I don't think you received it. I'm actually looking at right now and oh yeah, wow, So you got neighbors all over the place. M hmm. Interesting, okay, but the houses weren't that close to each other. And then if you so, if you did that Google maps from that narrow road and you could see how high at my house was, how it slopes up, and then from the road you can see on the other side it just slopes down and you can see way down below is another road. Because it's winding, it winds up the mountain. So it it walked down my front yard and across the road and disappeared, like I think he continued walking down across the road, and I don't. I mean, it's a pretty big drop.

48:01 Oh okay, so you this is very interesting. So you're you're pretty much up in the mountains, but you're also very close to a mountain lake as well. Yes, it was about a five minute let me see, maybe a three minute drive to Lake Gregory. The first time, I said, and I went there. After we moved, we walked there, and then we soon realized that was a big mistake because walking back up to the cabin was all uphill. So after that we would just would just drive there because it was just too much of a walk, you.

48:53 Know, absolutely, Oh man, yeah, I think. Oh in another time. There's there's also a dog park by that lake, and so I had so I had two Boston Terriers and one time when we took them there to the dog park so they could run around because it's all gated and all that, and they were always indoors, so I didn't, you know, leave them outside. And when he would go spend the weekend with his dad, the dogs went with him. So anyhow, we were at the dog park one time before all this had happened, and the dogs were just having a good old time, you know, We're throwing balls and all that, and all of a sudden they just ran to us and they were scared. They were scared, and they were like between our legs, and I thought that was really weird, you know, So in retrospect, I sometimes wonder if these things were we're watching us. Maybe, Yeah, that was another incident that I couldn't really like explain.

50:10 Yeah, that kind of behavior from dogs really really makes you wonder. That's that's another pattern that you will hear as well. Oh so during that time or maybe afterwards, did you do any research to see if other similar accounts had happened in that area, or if there had been other sightings as well. I did, So it turns out after all this I had done research. It turns out there was a lady I'm trying to remember her name, a Claudia Actally, Yes, and she had been on the news. I guess she said she saw a bigfoot in Crestline and had shown some pictures on the news, and I did look them up online and it's kind of hard to see what it was that that she saw, but apparently there was one up in the trees that she was with her daughters and she recorded for her daughters recorded, and she filed a lawsuit against who was it? That department was a government agency going up.

51:41 I'm going to be going off of info from a newspaper article here, and she had filed against the California Department of Fish and Wildlife in the state Natural Resources Agency in twenty eighteen. Okay, yeah, that's what it was. I saw the video. You can, I think you can look it up online. I saw the video. It's kind of hard to tell. I can kind of see there was something up in the tree, but you know, it's kind of blurry. But yeah, she filed a lawsuit, and I thought to myself, well, okay, that means that there's others up there somewhere, and possibly other people have seen them and probably, like me, you know, won't say anything for fear of someone thinking they're crazy, you know. But it kind of made me feel like, Okay, we didn't imagine this really did happen. And I actually felt better knowing that that she had filed the suit and all that, so she wasn't embarrassed. She went up.

53:01 On the news absolutely, and Claudia's she was an end of vidual. I never got to talk to she has also she also passed away due to cancer, I believe. Yeah, yeah, but I read that she had passed away. Absolutely, It's actually so why would you know this story? It's a very this account is a very personal one. You know, there's a lot of you know, personal details and what your your son went through. But I think it's good that you you shared everything, as it all has to be heard together. But you know, why was it important that you shared this accoun out? Is there a reason why you felt it was it was necessary to get it all.

54:04 Out there, because I feel like if there's other people that have seen these I just kind of want people to know that that they do exist. And I honestly didn't really know much about big photo sasquatch when I started doing my research and came across Claudia story, and then your podcast came up on a Google search. So that's when I that's when I downloaded Spotify onto my phone and I was able and I only heard a few of your podcast episodes and then I stopped because it was just like bringing back too much of it for me, you know. So but yeah, thanks to your platform, I was able to realize that it's happened to other people, and I was able to speak my truth.

55:16 You know, That's that's great. I mean that is that is an awesome example of you know, the reason why I do this show is so that people like yourself have a platform to share with the experience and not have to worry about, you know, being ridiculed or you know, thinking is this a safe environment or not. It's definitely a safe environment to do. So a few questions for yourself at the end. Here is one I didn't get to ask earlier. During the time when you were in that cabin, did anything weird happen in side the cabin or was it mainly outside nothing like paranormal or anything out of the ordinary like that inside the residence?

56:10 No, nothing, nothing paranormal. And you mentioned earlier you're in Utah, now correct, Yes, we moved. We lived in My son and I had moved to Arizona and I remarried, and after he when it came close to his high school graduation, he decided he wanted to go to university in California. And then my husband and I were just tired of the heat, so we decided to move. We get four seasons here and we're pretty close to Bryce Canyon and it's really beautiful up here.

56:53 After you left that residence, did anything out of the ordinary follow you to your other new residences, or it feels like you left everything out there in Crestline. I think it was all left behind in Crestline. Especially living in Arizona, an a regular suburban neighborhood out in the desert, I wasn't afraid that, you know, anything like that would show up there. You know, there's nothing but cactus and it's just you know, far away from the mountains.

57:38 Absolutely, if there is someone listening to this that has had an experience happened to them related to Bigfoot, they're not quite sure what they should do with it. Do you have any advice to that person that might be listening, just to not. Doubt themselves that self doubt, you know, just you know, it's happened to other people, these encounters, and it's probably not just you know in your head that it's okay. You know, you'll be okay.

58:21 Absolutely, Diana, I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had that you had wanted to share on the show today. Yeah, there's another I recently asked my son, you know, hypothetically, because he uses that word hypothetically, what he thought big flater or self squatch might be, you know, if they truly existed, and I only say hypothetically or if they truly existed, because he's very grounded in sign and logic and rational analysis, and like I said, he doesn't really like to talk about it. I think it just makes him so uncomfortable because he's very science based, you know, and he's told me, well, you know, if they exist, they could be a combination of folklore, or maybe they're misidentified and there's something else he mentioned. You know, there's always blurry photos. There's never like a clear photo of one.

59:34 So unless because lack of concrete physical evidence, he says that, you know, maybe that there's a possibility that they would exist, but maybe it's some form something that hasn't really quite been discovered, you know. Where my idea of what a sasquatch is is that I feel like maybe they're multi diventional, or I don't feel that it's a creature that hasn't quite been discovered. You know, as elusive as they can be, there's got to be a way to where they they hide or they I don't feel like they're like a regular animal, you know. I feel like there's more to it than that, and then I go, see, we've talked about like, okay, so why hasn't anyone found any of their bones? Like do they buried? They're dead? And I feel like maybe they bury they're dead in some location where you know, we can't really get to, maybe up in the you know, maybe they're buried somewhere that people can't usually go to. So they haven't been you know, discovered any as far as any remains, you know, but he he just pretty much says, well, there's got to

1:01:06 be a scientific explanation for this. It is really interesting to have that back and forth, and you know, you hear so many accounts and you know there's somewhere what the person encounters, they're one hundred percent sure it's some undiscovered ape down in Oklahoma. But then you have all these tons of accounts where you know, whatever this creature or you know, whatever the sasquatch is doing, it's doing some really really weird stuff that science cannot explain. And it'll be interesting to see if we ever get those answers someday. Myself, personally, I kind of take the middle ground where I think, you know, we could be looking at some kind of physical creature that can do a lot, a lot of really weird stuff that normal science cannot explain yet. There's just too many accounts from witnesses sharing things that could be considered paranormal. But I just don't think we really know what we're dealing with yet.

1:02:16 So but. Diane, I would just want to say thank you for reaching out to me and for sharing your story. It's an incredible account and I'm so glad that you were able to come on the show and to share what you experienced those years ago out in California. Well, thank you for the opportunity to share as well. I just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of The Big for Society podcast. Diana's story is the kind that stays with you, not just because of what she saw on that sloping yard and crestline, but because of the quiet strength she carried through trauma, fear, and the unknown. It's a huge thanks to Diana for opening up and sharing such an emotional and personal journey. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the beel icons you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's into Bigfoot California or just a mystery with a real heart. If you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, make sure you're following the show and if you'd be willing to leave a positive review, it really helps more folks find us. If you or someone you know has had a big Foot encounter, especially in the San Bernardino Mountains or anywhere in southern California, I'd love to hear from you, so please shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's talk about it. And also, don't forget Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July eleven through twelfth at Greenwaters Park in Oakridge, Oregon. Bigfoot Society listeners can grab a two day pass for the price of a one day admission with code BFS at checkout. Tickets are available now at

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