June 20, 2025

Eight Feet Tall. Black Eyes. Right Outside the Cabin.

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Season 1

What happens when a mother retreats to the mountains to help her autistic son heal — only to discover something ancient is watching them from the trees? In this powerful and unsettling episode, we speak with Diana, a legal professional and mother who moved to Crestline, California for peace — and found something else entirely. Diana shares her son’s traumatic brain injury, their escape to a mountain cabin, and the mysterious pinecones that began appearing on their porch. As fear grew, Diana bought a gun. And then... she saw it. A gray-haired, black-eyed Sasquatch — standing in the early light, staring straight at her. From seizures and psychic mediums to vibrating frequencies and a terrifying face at the window, this is a story of trauma, mystery, and the unexplained. You’ll never look at the quiet mountain woods the same way again.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from a mother who bought a mountain

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cabin in Cresline, California to help her son recover from

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a traumatic brain injury. But what happened next is something

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that was not expected. Pine combes began to appear, windows

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were left open. In one night, her son cried out

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in terror. This is Diana's story, So stay with us,

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all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to Diana today. Diana as an individual that reached

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out to me about a very interesting set of experiences

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that happened to her and her son out there in Cresline, California.

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Welcome to the show today, Diana. How's it going.

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It's going pretty good. Thank you for giving me an

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opportunity to tell you my story.

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Absolutely, this is one where well, I'm just going to

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say it is an extremely interesting account, and I do

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want to make sure that Diana has all the time

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that she needs in order to share it because it

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is a lot a lot of detail to it. So Diana,

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I'm going to go ahead and past things over to you.

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Feel free to take us back to really the beginning

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of your account, and you're welcome to take it from here.

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Okay. So my name is Diana and I live in

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southern Utah now, but was born in Los Angeles and

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I grew up in a suburb in the eighties about

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an hour drives south of vallet I graduated with a

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Bachelor of Science and legal studies, and I work in

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the legal field and as a social worker. My father

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emigrated to the US in the sixties from Mexico and

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he married my mother right after she graduated from high school.

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So she is Native American and she lived her formative

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years on the reservation. However, at twelve years old, she

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and her family moved to Los Angeles, and my siblings

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and I were raised atheists because my dad was atheists,

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so he didn't want us to grow up with religion. However,

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my mom, being maded, we were raised with her beliefs

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and traditions, and having been brought up with both sides

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of the family, we grew up hearing about superstitions, ancestors

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and ghosts, spirits. We observed the other little MorphOS, which

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is day of the Dead, traditions, etc. You know that

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kind of stuff, and it was a blend of both cultures.

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So I grew up believing in the existence of both worlds.

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But I had to keep these ideas and beliefs to myself,

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growing up with what I call regular American kids. To

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say so, my son was born the child of an

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older man twelve years my senior, someone that I had

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built a strong, respectful partnership with and co parenting with

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him was very easy. And when my son was born,

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I was living in a city in San Bernardino County

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with a safe neighborhoods excellent schools. They're known for their

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strong academic programs and the city's well connected, making it

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easy to commute to Los Angeles and other parts of

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southern California. At six years old, my son was far

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more interested in nature than in playing with other kids.

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Like during reces, while other kids were playing on the

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black top of the field, my son would linger at

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the edge as scanning the ground for what he called

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his treasures. He was always searching for the perfect pebble, twig, leave,

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all that kind of stuff. He was into, like textures, colors,

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the weight and shape of items, and he would like

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meticulously examine insects, stuff like that that's the kind of

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kid he was. He never minded being alone, and when

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my son was eight years old, he was diagnosed with autism.

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It used to be called Asperger syndrome. He had a

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high IQ, but struggled with social skills. At twelve years old,

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he towered head and shoulders above other classmates. I think

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he was I think he stopped growing now because he's

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currently six foot four, about twenty years old. He's almost twenty,

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and he's always had a quiet demeanor, just a sweet personality,

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always shown a huge interest in nature, math, science, how

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things worked, why they function the way they do. And

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around mid twenty sixteen, if I recall correctly, I bought

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a cabin in Crestline in southern California, and the town

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was in the San Bernardino Mountain that's below Arrowhead and

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Big Bear if you're familiar with that area. The town

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itself is small and tranquil, but it's about a twenty

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twenty five minute drive down off the mountain to the

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cities below. Our home was on top of a hill

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and was about thirty five yards above a narrow one

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way road, and they had vertical sloping steps leading to

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the entrance. The first level from the ground was actually

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a walkout basement, meaning that it wasn't underground. And then

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above that was the main living level with a nice

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big porch in front of the part of the home.

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And although the home had a dramatic sloping front yard,

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my son's bedroom was situated on the back portion of

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the home. They had a flat fence backyard, but his

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bedroom window was about ten feet above the ground and

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I like that because it was it was high enough

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to where I felt that he was safe, especially because

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we didn't have air conditioning, so in the summertime, in

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the evenings, we would just leave the bedroom windows open

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to get that cool breeze that would cool the house down.

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And then my bedroom window was situated towards the front

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of the home, and looking out my bedroom window was

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the front wooden porch. So that's our home. And then

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there was a lot of huge pine trees on our

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lot and surrounding area, so my son particularly loved these

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huge pine cones. The big pine cones weren't found on

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our property. We had to walk about maybe a half

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hour away from our cabin. We would go on nature walks,

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and these cones were called some people call them window makers,

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because as you can imagine, they're huge, and if they

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were to fall on someone like from such a height,

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they could potentially kill a person. So most of the

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time we would find other different kinds of pine cones

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in our yard, and my son would keep all the

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nice ones and he would line them up on the

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porch railing, and he had plans. We were going to

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coat them with peanut butter and roll them in bird

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seeds so that we can hang them for the birds

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in the squirrelds to eat the seeds. As summer passed,

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the new school year was approaching, and I filled out

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all the school forms that you usually do when the

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new year's coming, and I included our new address. But

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because of our new address, that placed us in a

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different school district, and then I was informed that you

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could no longer attend the school there. We were so

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upset because he was going to be uprooted from an

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environment he had gotten accustomed to. He had a small

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stercol friends, and then he was progressing in the therape

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that they would provide him school. Even though the Mountain

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schools had an after school program, I just I couldn't

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enroll him there because of the risk of snowfall that

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would make the roads impassable, and then the risk of

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me not being able to pick him up. So his

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father and I decided to enroll him out of school

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in his school district that was close to his father's home,

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So he was to walk home after school and then

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I would pick him up after work and then we

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would make the drive up the mountain. The city that

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his father lived in is a predominantly Latino community. There's

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a lot of poverty, gangs, violence. I mean, some neighborhoods

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are nice and others struggled. And the school my son

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had to attend had a lot of underfunded programs. There

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were inexperienced new teachers, there's limited resources and whatnot. And

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at this school, my son was at school different social circles.

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He was bullied, He didn't have any friends, and this

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affected his personality. It was very painful to watch. One

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day when he was sitting in class unaware, he was

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struck on the back of the head with a blunt object.

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He said he was in pain so bad that he

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vomited on the floor next to his desk, and the

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teacher didn't show any empathy, nor did she ask if

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he was okay. She just sent him to the office unattended,

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where he ended up. I'm sorry this is He ended

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up falling on the way to the office and he

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had a seizure, but the janitor luckily saw escorted him

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to the nurse and his father and I were called

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to the school and we immediately took him to the

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hospital and he suffered a concussion, and after a follow

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up appointment with a specialists, we discovered he had a

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traumatic brain injury and this caused continued continued seizures and

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he missed about three months of school, and then during

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this time he had a lot of doctor appointments, so

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I took a leave of absence from work to take

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care of him. We took advantage of this time to

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stay up in Crestline as much as possible, but we

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couldn't go out for walks anymore like we used due

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to his seizures. UH one day, all his pine cones

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were missing, the ones that he had on the railing,

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and he was so upset that he had a complete

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emotional breakdown on the porch and then that turned into

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a seizure and then I brought eventually when it stopped

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I brought him inside into the home. Eventually his seizures

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became less and less frequent because of the medication he

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was taken, and also he was just physically feeling better,

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but emotionally he wasn't. So we, like I said, we

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stopped going on our nature walks and stop looking for

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pine cones. As part of my morning ritual, I would

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go outside of my front porch to drink my morning

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cup of coffee because I like to meet the fresh

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chris morning air and sit there till the stillness of

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the mountains were filled with bird songs and I'd like

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to see the sun come up. But one morning I

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found a huge pine cone on the porch railing. And

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you know, we didn't have any of those type of

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pine trees on or near our property, so I wondered

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how the pine cone got there. And then the next

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morning another appeared. It had been played is exactly where

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the first one had been, and another the day after.

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Day by day it is continued for about a week,

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if I recall correctly, there was a fresh, big pine

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cone on the same spot. And I did I wonder

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where these came from, Like obviously someone was leaving them there,

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so But during this time that my son was healing,

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a lot of odd things started to happen. For example,

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like coming from the city, I never really got about

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trash day. You know, you put your bins out at

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night the night before and then the truck rolls by

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in the morning and takes your trash. But in the mountains,

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things weren't that simple. Like my neighbors stopped me one

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afternoon when I was willing my trash out and told me,

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you know, unless I wanted to wake up to a

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mess or worse like bears or for me, not to

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take my trash out until the day of pick up.

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So I took his advice seriously. Some evenings, my son

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and I would sit on the porch listening to the

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crickets and the sounds of nature, and you know, we'd

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open our all the windows to let the cool air

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come in, and and it was it was nice. It

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was nice except one day one evening and just smelled

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like something like a musky scent, like a skunk smell

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or something that was pretty strong. So we we went

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and we closed all the windows because the smile was

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coming inside, and so we closed all the windows. And

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I just figured that was like some skunk out there

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or something. And soon after. I remember that night, my

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son was asleep in his bedroom and I was in

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my room, and then he started calling my name like

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he had a nightmare. So I ran over to his

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bedroom to see to make sure that he was okay.

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But when I crossed into his room, it was really weird,

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like I felt like I was losing my footing. I

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felt kind of dizzy and sorry. And this sound sounded

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like it was muffled, kind of like when you're in

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an underwater, like in a swimming pool and it sounds muffled.

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That's that's what had happened. That's what I would do.

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That's what happened. So it was hard for me to focus,

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and everything just seemed blurry and unsteady. But I managed

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to get to him, and I took him over to

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my bedroom and he was crying and all that, and

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he told me that he saw a man looking in

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through his window. But he said it was like a

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like a gorilla, but a man, and that he was

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gray and he had like a long go tea. I

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thought maybe he had dreamt that because his dad had

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like a long gray go tea. So I don't know.

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I thought maybe he was dreaming that, but the next

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day he told me all the details and he insisted

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that it wasn't It wasn't a man that was looking

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in his window. So I started wondering, like if me

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it was like a peeping tom or you know. But

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the way the houses were apart from each other, like

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all the cabins were like different elevations, so it wasn't

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like a regular neighborhood, you know what I mean. So

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that was one of the things that had happened. Another

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was like sometimes we would be before evening, we would

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sit on the chairs outside on the porch and just relax,

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and sometimes we would have I didn't want to say

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that there were rocks thrown at us, because it wasn't

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coming from an angle, like if someone's throwing a rock

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at you. It kind of seemed like little pebbles were

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just dropping from the sky onto the porch and none

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of them ever hit us. It was just kind of

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weird that that would happen, So we didn't really understand, like,

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where are these little pebbles coming from? It was, you know,

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it's just kind of weird. And I started questioning myself,

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was it like our imagination, you know, was it like

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my mind playing tricks on me? And it was just

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kind of weird. But after my son started having nightmares,

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I decided to buy a handgun to protect us because

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it was just him and I up there in the mountains.

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So I bought a small, little nine millimeter handgun and

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I would keep it under my bed frame at night,

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just in case I ever needed it. And I don't

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know if I was. I felt like, was I being

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paranoid or it was just weird, you know. I was

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just afraid, and I just thought, well, in case something happens,

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me being a single mom up there, I just wanted

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to make sure that I could protect us if in

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case it came down to that. I never like showed

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it to him. I just would, you know. Sometimes we

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would started going on little walks, started to go hiking again,

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and I would just carry it with me, Like I

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know that you have to have a license in California

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to carry it, but being up in the mountains, I

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just I just did. I just carried it as self defense.

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It just made me feel like I wasn't as helpless.

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So one day one morning I went outside to the

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on the front porch because, like I said, I used

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to like to drink my coffee out there in the morning.

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And I walked out there and that's when I that's

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when I saw it. It was I was on my porch,

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there was my coffee mug in my hand, and I

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looked down below his our yard sloped down and it

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was like a as. It just happened so fast. I

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saw a bigfoot or a saw squatch or whatever you

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want to call it. He was about eight feet tall.

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He was massive but lean, just muscular but lean, but

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like thin, I guess. He had a really broad chest

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and just like a really white shoulder blades whiter than

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any person I've ever seen. And he had long, thick hair.

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It wasn't it wasn't for it looked like hare. It

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was like long, long and dark brown. And it just

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took seconds, like I kind of just stood there in shock,

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and I just remember like my stomach muscles were shaking,

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like you know when you do a lot of sit ups.

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And I'm embarrassed to say this, but I lost control

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of my bladder and in just seconds, just seconds, maybe

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he took three steps and he just went down the

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property like the front yard that sloped down. It was

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thirty five yards. He just walked down and crossed the

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road and down that that slope, because across the side

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of the road there was like a slope dropped down

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and then he was gone. And I was just kind

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of like in shock. I was just I was afraid.

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I was really scared. And soon after I put the

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cabin up for sale and my son and I moved

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to Arizona. I had a long distance boyfriend, and my

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son's father said it was okay for me to move

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out there. Eventually he was going to get a job

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transfer and move out to Arizona, which is what we did.

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I was just afraid to live up there anymore after

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what happened, and we just went to go live in Arizona,

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and he had to do seventh grade over again because

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he had missed some school. And then eventually he graduated

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from high school and now he's off who went up

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to college after that, and my then longtime boyfriend we

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ended up getting married, and of all places, we decided

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to move to southern Utah, to a little town that's

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called Cedar City, and it's pretty close to like Bryce Mountain.

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We're pretty close to the mountains. It's really beautiful up here,

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Like we get all four seasons and you know, we

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get snow, and which is what I liked about living

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up in Crestline. But we've driven through through a place

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called Cedar Breaks, it's not far from here, and we've

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gone for walks, but like, I'll never go up there alone.

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I don't think I can never go for a nature

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walk up in the mountains, knowing what could possibly be

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out there. I never expected that over in Saernardino Mountains,

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and I just wonder, like if these creatures are out

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in the mountains out here. It just kind of messed

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it up for me because I just I can't go

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for walks like that anymore. And my son's doing okay.

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He's studying at UC Berkeley. He's majoring in microbial biology

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and he took a big interest in that during the pandemic,

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and eventually he wants to work for the CDC, so

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he's gone off to pursue his education. And you know,

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eventually recently we actually started talking about I brought up

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what had happened. I've been keeping a journal, and he

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told me that he he doesn't really want to talk

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about what happened. You know, he's already put that behind him.

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I guess if he will, like he's just he doesn't

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want to go back there mentally, But he still says

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that that way he saw looking in the window with

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some kind of gray haired gorilla man with a goatee.

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Like he's never changed that story. He says, that's exactly

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what he saw and that's it. Like he's not gonna

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talk about it. He says that, you know, he feels

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like there's always a scientific explanation for everything, and he

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doesn't like to he doesn't like that he can't understand

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what it is that he saw. I guess so not

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to long ago, a couple of summers ago, I went

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to Mexico to visit a cousin of mine, to Bertha Iarta,

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and she took me to a medium that also does hypnotherapy.

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And when I went to go see her, she wanted

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to start off with like meditation, and she said that

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it was going to be like a guided meditation, and

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she had like some sort of bowl, like a crystal bowl,

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and she explained that these are used to create a

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calming sound and promote like deep relative you know, relaxation,

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and but these bolds create like a vibrational sound called

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a sound bath. And so but when she did that,

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it created like a really negative of effect in me.

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It triggered. It triggered like the memory of that time

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when I had rushed into my son's bedroom when when

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that incident happened, and it's that same sound that I heard.

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And it's kind of hard to describe, but that's the

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same sound that I heard, like that vibrational, that frequency.

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So it kind of like just brought back a lot

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of negative, negative feelings about that. And then she also

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liked it. A before the hypnosis, she started telling me

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some unusual things, Like she was tell me that that

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thing that my son saw was an elder of whatever,

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these group of I don't want to call them animals,

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but these creatures. So she explained to me that what

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we saw happened because they wanted us to see them,

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not because like it was supposed to happen, That they

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didn't mean any harm, that the pine cones, they were

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leaving the pine cones there for him, that they saw

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his pain, they could see what he had gone through

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and his emotional struggles. So I guess they were left

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there like his gifts for him that they didn't mean

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to scare as or cause any harm. But after she

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told me all that, then she put me in like

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the hypnosis, and that's when she brought everything out like

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in detail. After the initial meeting that we had where

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she was telling me about these creatures. I don't know,

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it's just so much information. I don't and I'm sorry

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I have add so I kind of go back and

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forth and I apologize for that. But that's pretty much

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basically what happened.

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No, you're you're doing absolutely great. I mean, this is

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there's so much to this this story, Diana, that this

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account is just incredible, and there's there's a few things

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that I noticed, and then maybe I'll bring up a

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few different parts that we'll discuss as well. But to me,

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to me, this account is so unique because so talking

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to so many people over the years, their patterns that

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have started to notice, right to do with witnesses that

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have had experiences. One that have come one that has

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come up multiple times is the individual being autistic or

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having some connection to that. Right, Usually it's autistic individuals.

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Sometimes the other is yeah, that can be a very

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big thing. Also, a lot of witnesses that or people

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that have experience will have had a very traumatic event

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just happen beforehand or before this situation. And also something

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that I've noticed, and maybe not as much, but I

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have noticed it is that there is a pattern with

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TBI and traumatic brain injuries as well.

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The never heard of that, yeah.

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Yeah, and that's something where it's not even like out there.

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I don't feel it's even out there in the big

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Foot community. It's just something I've picked up from people

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that I've talked to and people that I've met, Like

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the autism thing that's kind of out in the community,

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right the traumatic the trauma episodes like let's say an

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individual like what happened to your son, or an individual

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gets divorced or they have a loved one that passes away.

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That's something I feel that's out in the community through

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different things that have been written. However, the TBI might

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not be there as as prevalent yet. So the interesting

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thing is that these three different things are present in

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this one account, which is very, very extremely unique. I

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did want to clarify something, So, were you saying that

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when the sound bath was happening, when this individual was

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you know, doing the sound bath, and you were trying

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trying to go through hypnosis, et cetera. The were you saying,

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like the frequency or the tone was similar to what

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you experienced in your son's room that day?

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Yes, he uh so, before we started with the not

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the hypnosis, because first she told me all these things

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like a medium. But then she said, okay, we're going

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to do hypnosis and we're going to do this sound bath.

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And so that frequency, that vibrational sound was pretty much

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what I had heard, but louder. It was so loud

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in my head like it it was so loud that

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it made like my tea rattle, if that makes sense. Yeah,

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But at the same time, at the same time, like

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all others sound like my son crying calling my name.

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It sounded muffled, like when you're underwater, like in a

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swimming pool. I don't know if you've ever done that,

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and you hear outside noise but outside of the pool,

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but it's muffled. It wasn't like that, but yet that

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vibrational sound that just got louder and louder in my

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in my in my head. Then that's what triggered my

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It was like a bad reaction, Oh exactly.

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Yeah, And the way that you explain that is a

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really good I think that's a really good way to

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explain it because I've experienced it myself, and the only

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way that I have been able to explain it is

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that it's almost like the pressure in your ears gets different.

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But the way that you're saying how it's like it's

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muffled you're underwater, that's the exact exact thing. I'd be

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curious if other people I've experienced that as well, But

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like when I was out in Oregon this last summer,

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it's exactly what would happen when we were out out

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in the woods. And I think that's extremely interesting what

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you heard that that day during the sound bath and

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in your son's room. Have you experienced that in any

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other life experiences as well, or has that just been

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in those two times.

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No, that's never happened, just only with that situation in Crestline,

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And I had never done yoga or gone to acuse

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that lady, even like my cousin says, she's a medium

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and she does like hypnosis. Her place, she seemed kind

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of like like New Age like her. She had like

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a little shop and she sold crystals and it just

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to me, it seemed like she was she had like

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different like she had yoga, she had Indian like can

462
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.639
do Indian stuff there, like a little bit of everything.

463
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.719
So my first impression was like, she's a fake, you know,

464
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.440
because she's drawing from all these different cultures, is what

465
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:24.840
I thought, you know. But my cousin insisted, and I said,

466
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.079
all right, okay, well let's see what happened. And I

467
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:33.320
hadn't told my cousin about the the Sasquatch thing, the

468
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.599
Bigfoot thing. It was just she had gone to this

469
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.679
medium before and she says, Oh, I think it'll be

470
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.159
fun if we go there, And that's how I ended

471
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.599
up there. But like I had never done any like

472
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:48.639
New age stuff.

473
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:57.719
That's interesting, And I wonder if that is related somehow

474
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.000
to like what your upbringing was, you know, how you

475
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:07.719
were It was like half you had that half influence

476
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.719
from the atheism side, I guess also the Native American side.

477
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.039
But I can kind of see how you may have

478
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.079
that that way of looking at things. After that experience

479
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.679
with the hypnotist, did you have a different viewpoint towards

480
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.320
that individual or was it still the same?

481
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:37.159
It changed? It changed because before the hypnosis. She was

482
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.480
acting as in her medium capacity, and the things that

483
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.760
she was telling me about I hadn't told her. I

484
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:52.360
didn't tell her about the creature that had looked inside

485
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:58.800
my sense window, but yet she described she called it

486
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.000
a person. She didn't say it was a being or creature.

487
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.480
She said the person that looked in his window, the

488
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:12.800
gray haired one with the beard, you know, was concerned

489
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:18.679
about my son. And that she also mentioned that what

490
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.719
I saw, although she didn't mention the color, but she

491
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.119
said that what I saw that unfortunately like it caused

492
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.559
trauma in me, but that it was meant to happen.

493
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:41.800
That they only showed themselves to not to everybody. So

494
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.320
that that's what made me feel like, Okay, this lady's

495
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.239
not she's not like a fake, you know, because where

496
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.039
would she get this information from? Like I hadn't told

497
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:58.440
my cousin, I hadn't really told anybody other than my

498
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:05.599
son's father and then now my husband. So that's when

499
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.519
I thought, Okay, so she's somehow she's got this information

500
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:11.800
and just told me what she did. So then when

501
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.480
she said we're going to do a sound bath, she

502
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.719
explained what that was, and then she was going to

503
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.119
do hypnosis. At that point, I was okay with I

504
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.320
was game, you know. I was like, all right, let's see,

505
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.880
let's see what happens. Only because of what she had

506
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.880
previously told me, so then I was I was willing

507
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.880
to do this noss thing.

508
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.000
I know that there are sometimes when you were at

509
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.559
the cabin without your son, correct, Yes.

510
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.159
Because he would spend every other weekend with his dad,

511
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.159
or sometimes during the time when we were staying there

512
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.960
for three months while he was healing, there were times

513
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.039
where he'd spend a week with his dad and I

514
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.239
was just alone home alone.

515
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.239
Are there any other things that would happen when you

516
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.440
were at the cabin yourself? But there are things that

517
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.159
would happen that would be kind of weird or just

518
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:13.440
didn't really make sense.

519
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.320
Yeah, a couple of times where I felt I felt

520
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.679
a little scared or an easy especially like say, in

521
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.159
the evenings, I would sit out there and I'd hear

522
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.480
the crickets. And there's also like night birds, which I'm

523
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.280
living in a city, I never really paid attention to

524
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.599
this kind of stuff, but up in the mountains in

525
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.599
the evening you hear birds, you know, And sometimes I

526
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.119
would just feel all of a sudden, I felt nervous

527
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.760
or like my stomach muscles was start to shake like that.

528
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.760
I don't know what you call it, but I think

529
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.039
it's just like my instinct. A lot of people, especially

530
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.320
living in a big city, we tend to not listen

531
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.119
to our body right, and everything would all of a

532
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:13.039
sudden get quiet, like dead quiet, no crickets, nothing at all.

533
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.960
And that's where I would feel nervous, like with you know,

534
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.599
this didn't seem natural, I guess, so I would just

535
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.519
quickly rush into the cabin and shut all the windows,

536
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.519
lock everything up. That kind of stuff happened.

537
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.079
Yeah, I want to talk for a few minutes about

538
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.800
your actual sighting, if that's all right. Yeah, so you

539
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.719
actually were able to get a pretty good look at

540
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.519
the face of the sasquatch, correct.

541
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.639
I did? Yeah, yeah, okay.

542
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.280
What you saw that day? Have you seen anything else

543
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.800
that comes close to to what you were looking at?

544
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:14.800
Kind of like a gorilla, but the nose wasn't like

545
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.920
a gorilla's nose like. It seemed like it had like

546
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.920
a not as flat like a gorilla, like it had

547
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:29.239
like a bridge, and he had like these really high

548
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.559
broad like the bone like the structure of the face,

549
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:41.000
and his mouth seemed more like a person's lips, like

550
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:48.760
full lips, not quite like a gorillat. Yeah, that's the

551
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:49.639
best description.

552
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.320
Were you able to see its teeth at any time?

553
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.400
No, it had its mouth closed. It was just I

554
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:04.840
know it happened in just seconds. But like when I

555
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:06.679
sit here and like if I close my eyes and

556
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.880
I replay it in my in my mind, I can

557
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.800
see its face and his mouth was closed. I say he.

558
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.679
I don't know if it wasn't here or she, but

559
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.039
it just I say he. But its mouth was closed,

560
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.559
and I just remember, like the lips were kind of

561
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.760
like kind of fool.

562
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:36.239
Okay. The eyes were the eyes? Were they were all

563
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:41.719
one color? Or were there whites around the edges of

564
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:42.519
the eye as well?

565
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:51.480
No? Completely black or dark? No, no whites to the eyes, dark.

566
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.920
Eyes, completely dark eyes.

567
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:54.199
Wow.

568
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.840
Was there any emotion that you could see to the

569
00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:58.440
face at all?

570
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.559
No. We just stared at each other for that split second.

571
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:10.800
That's because I I walked up the front door onto

572
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.599
my porch and right where I would normally lean on

573
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.280
the railing, so I had my coffee mug and I

574
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:26.079
looked down. That's when we just our eyes locked, and

575
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.159
I feel like my brain couldn't register what I was

576
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.760
looking at. That's when I dropped my coffee mug and

577
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.760
then I just lost control of my bladder. You know,

578
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.079
I just was in shock, and it just like turned

579
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:48.599
around and just I want I say, like three steps

580
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:54.239
went down the sloping the sloping yard, across the narrow

581
00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:02.000
road and then down and that was it. And I

582
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.480
noticed like it didn't have fur. It was like hair,

583
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.880
like silky, not like a dog hair, not like dog furs. Yeah.

584
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:20.639
You also mentioned where you didn't get any feeling as

585
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.360
too if it was male or female. Is that because

586
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.199
of how it was covered with hair or.

587
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:34.719
Yeah, it was fully covered, so I couldn't tell what

588
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.480
it was. I just I feel like it was a male,

589
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.519
But I don't know why I feel that it could

590
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:41.960
have been a female for all I know.

591
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.679
Now, I know you only saw it for just a

592
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.400
few seconds and just a few steps as it went

593
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:56.480
down your property. Did you notice anything that was out

594
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.360
of the ordinary about the way that it moved, like

595
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.639
it's gay as opposed to how a human would move.

596
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:13.199
Yeah, he seemed very like surefooted. I would say whenever,

597
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.039
like my son and I would go down, Like if

598
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.679
we were to walk down the slope the yard, down

599
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.519
the yard, not through the steps, you would because you're

600
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.440
going down, I feel that we would have to be

601
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:32.800
very careful to not slip. And it just seemed very surefooted.

602
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.920
Just one step back to it just happened like he

603
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:43.440
had like didn't worry about slipping or anything. It just

604
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:44.679
walk down.

605
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.280
That's that's really interesting. A lot of people will say

606
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.159
something to the effect of that, where it's like walking

607
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.559
with purpose or you know, very sure of how they're walking.

608
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.199
Did you notice anything about the posture of what you

609
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:04.800
were looking at?

610
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.960
No, other than it had long arms. I can remember that, like,

611
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.519
not like a person, like below the knees or something.

612
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:25.880
It was just long, kind of like Chewbacca. Okay, you know,

613
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.960
like the long arms. Sure like that.

614
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.920
Yeah. And it wasn't making any noise during this whole time.

615
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.599
No, it was completely quiet.

616
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.960
Did the head have a particular shape to it?

617
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.000
Not that I can not that I can recall.

618
00:45:52.119 --> 00:46:03.760
Gotcha? How how close was your neighbor in this area?

619
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.960
Probably about forty yards away? Oh?

620
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.519
Ok, gotcha?

621
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.639
Pretty far? Yeah? Not that not like a regular neighborhood.

622
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:20.559
Because the different houses were different elevations like my front

623
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:28.960
yard slope down more than my neighbor's yard where it

624
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:35.320
was just the placement. I had sent you my address

625
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.320
because what I did recently I went onto Google Maps

626
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.199
and I put in the address, and you know how

627
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:46.519
you can kind of see like the they have pictures

628
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.239
of the roads and you can kind of walk through

629
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.840
there and turn it and see the property and all that.

630
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.000
I don't think you. I don't think you received it.

631
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:03.239
I'm actually looking at right now and oh yeah, wow,

632
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.480
So you got neighbors all over the place.

633
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:13.119
M hmm. Interesting, okay, but the houses weren't that close

634
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.880
to each other. And then if you so, if you

635
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.119
did that Google maps from that narrow road and you

636
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.360
could see how high at my house was, how it

637
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.119
slopes up, and then from the road you can see

638
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.239
on the other side it just slopes down and you

639
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:38.199
can see way down below is another road. Because it's winding,

640
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.599
it winds up the mountain. So it it walked down

641
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:48.320
my front yard and across the road and disappeared, like

642
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:53.559
I think he continued walking down across the road, and

643
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.480
I don't. I mean, it's a pretty big drop.

644
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:08.119
Oh okay, so you this is very interesting. So you're

645
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:11.199
you're pretty much up in the mountains, but you're also

646
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:18.000
very close to a mountain lake as well.

647
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:26.039
Yes, it was about a five minute let me see,

648
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:36.400
maybe a three minute drive to Lake Gregory. The first time,

649
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.840
I said, and I went there. After we moved, we

650
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.880
walked there, and then we soon realized that was a

651
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.039
big mistake because walking back up to the cabin was

652
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.280
all uphill. So after that we would just would just

653
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.760
drive there because it was just too much of a walk, you.

654
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:59.880
Know, absolutely, Oh man, yeah, I think.

655
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.880
Oh in another time. There's there's also a dog park

656
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:13.559
by that lake, and so I had so I had

657
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:19.199
two Boston Terriers and one time when we took them

658
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.760
there to the dog park so they could run around

659
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.719
because it's all gated and all that, and they were

660
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.480
always indoors, so I didn't, you know, leave them outside.

661
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.679
And when he would go spend the weekend with his dad,

662
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.159
the dogs went with him. So anyhow, we were at

663
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.840
the dog park one time before all this had happened,

664
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.920
and the dogs were just having a good old time,

665
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.719
you know, We're throwing balls and all that, and all

666
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.360
of a sudden they just ran to us and they

667
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.159
were scared. They were scared, and they were like between

668
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:56.039
our legs, and I thought that was really weird, you know,

669
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:59.719
So in retrospect, I sometimes wonder if these things were

670
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:08.039
we're watching us. Maybe, Yeah, that was another incident that

671
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.079
I couldn't really like explain.

672
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.719
Yeah, that kind of behavior from dogs really really makes

673
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:18.159
you wonder. That's that's another pattern that you will hear

674
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:28.599
as well. Oh so during that time or maybe afterwards,

675
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.199
did you do any research to see if other similar

676
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:37.280
accounts had happened in that area, or if there had

677
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:38.880
been other sightings as well.

678
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.039
I did, So it turns out after all this I

679
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.880
had done research. It turns out there was a lady

680
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:56.400
I'm trying to remember her name, a Claudia Actally, Yes,

681
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:04.480
and she had been on the news. I guess she

682
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:10.480
said she saw a bigfoot in Crestline and had shown

683
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.239
some pictures on the news, and I did look them

684
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.199
up online and it's kind of hard to see what

685
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.880
it was that that she saw, but apparently there was

686
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.920
one up in the trees that she was with her

687
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:31.239
daughters and she recorded for her daughters recorded, and she

688
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.719
filed a lawsuit against who was it? That department was

689
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:41.000
a government agency going up.

690
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.840
I'm going to be going off of info from a

691
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:50.320
newspaper article here, and she had filed against the California

692
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.800
Department of Fish and Wildlife in the state Natural Resources

693
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.119
Agency in twenty eighteen.

694
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.880
Okay, yeah, that's what it was. I saw the video.

695
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.000
You can, I think you can look it up online.

696
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.079
I saw the video. It's kind of hard to tell.

697
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.119
I can kind of see there was something up in

698
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.079
the tree, but you know, it's kind of blurry. But yeah,

699
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:24.280
she filed a lawsuit, and I thought to myself, well, okay,

700
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.679
that means that there's others up there somewhere, and possibly

701
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:36.079
other people have seen them and probably, like me, you know,

702
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:40.079
won't say anything for fear of someone thinking they're crazy,

703
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.679
you know. But it kind of made me feel like, Okay,

704
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.239
we didn't imagine this really did happen. And I actually

705
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:56.880
felt better knowing that that she had filed the suit

706
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.760
and all that, so she wasn't embarrassed. She went up.

707
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:07.679
On the news absolutely, and Claudia's she was an end

708
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.679
of vidual. I never got to talk to she has

709
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:18.000
also she also passed away due to cancer, I believe.

710
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.079
Yeah, yeah, but I read that she had passed away.

711
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:35.559
Absolutely, It's actually so why would you know this story?

712
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.000
It's a very this account is a very personal one.

713
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.440
You know, there's a lot of you know, personal details

714
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.199
and what your your son went through. But I think

715
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.760
it's good that you you shared everything, as it all

716
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:56.880
has to be heard together. But you know, why was

717
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:01.119
it important that you shared this accoun out? Is there

718
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.880
a reason why you felt it was it was necessary

719
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:04.679
to get it all.

720
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:10.119
Out there, because I feel like if there's other people

721
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:17.559
that have seen these I just kind of want people

722
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:24.000
to know that that they do exist. And I honestly

723
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.800
didn't really know much about big photo sasquatch when I

724
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:35.559
started doing my research and came across Claudia story, and

725
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.480
then your podcast came up on a Google search. So

726
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:45.480
that's when I that's when I downloaded Spotify onto my

727
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.719
phone and I was able and I only heard a

728
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:53.639
few of your podcast episodes and then I stopped because

729
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.400
it was just like bringing back too much of it

730
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:06.760
for me, you know. So but yeah, thanks to your platform,

731
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.760
I was able to realize that it's happened to other people,

732
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.880
and I was able to speak my truth.

733
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.719
You know, That's that's great. I mean that is that

734
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:26.440
is an awesome example of you know, the reason why

735
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:30.280
I do this show is so that people like yourself

736
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.360
have a platform to share with the experience and not

737
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:39.320
have to worry about, you know, being ridiculed or you know,

738
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.119
thinking is this a safe environment or not. It's definitely

739
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:48.079
a safe environment to do. So a few questions for

740
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:53.079
yourself at the end. Here is one I didn't get

741
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.960
to ask earlier. During the time when you were in

742
00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:01.159
that cabin, did anything weird happen in side the cabin

743
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:05.440
or was it mainly outside nothing like paranormal or anything

744
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.480
out of the ordinary like that inside the residence?

745
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:13.280
No, nothing, nothing paranormal.

746
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:23.199
And you mentioned earlier you're in Utah, now correct, Yes,

747
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:23.880
we moved.

748
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.000
We lived in My son and I had moved to

749
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:32.400
Arizona and I remarried, and after he when it came

750
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:36.360
close to his high school graduation, he decided he wanted

751
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:40.760
to go to university in California. And then my husband

752
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.599
and I were just tired of the heat, so we

753
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:48.599
decided to move. We get four seasons here and we're

754
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.679
pretty close to Bryce Canyon and it's really beautiful up here.

755
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:59.119
After you left that residence, did anything out of the

756
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:03.239
ordinary follow you to your other new residences, or it

757
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.760
feels like you left everything out there in Crestline.

758
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:13.119
I think it was all left behind in Crestline. Especially

759
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:21.239
living in Arizona, an a regular suburban neighborhood out in

760
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:27.719
the desert, I wasn't afraid that, you know, anything like

761
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.559
that would show up there. You know, there's nothing but

762
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.159
cactus and it's just you know, far away from the mountains.

763
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:43.079
Absolutely, if there is someone listening to this that has

764
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.760
had an experience happened to them related to Bigfoot, they're

765
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:48.800
not quite sure what they should do with it. Do

766
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.519
you have any advice to that person that might be listening,

767
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.199
just to not.

768
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:04.719
Doubt themselves that self doubt, you know, just you know,

769
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:11.000
it's happened to other people, these encounters, and it's probably

770
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:17.239
not just you know in your head that it's okay.

771
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.559
You know, you'll be okay.

772
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.639
Absolutely, Diana, I want to make sure that you were

773
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:31.480
able to share everything that you had that you had

774
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.280
wanted to share on the show today.

775
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.840
Yeah, there's another I recently asked my son, you know, hypothetically,

776
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:47.280
because he uses that word hypothetically, what he thought big

777
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:51.400
flater or self squatch might be, you know, if they

778
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.239
truly existed, and I only say hypothetically or if they

779
00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:01.360
truly existed, because he's very grounded in sign and logic

780
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:08.079
and rational analysis, and like I said, he doesn't really

781
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.039
like to talk about it. I think it just makes

782
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.039
him so uncomfortable because he's very science based, you know,

783
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.320
and he's told me, well, you know, if they exist,

784
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:23.079
they could be a combination of folklore, or maybe they're

785
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:28.880
misidentified and there's something else he mentioned. You know, there's

786
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:33.840
always blurry photos. There's never like a clear photo of one.

787
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:40.559
So unless because lack of concrete physical evidence, he says that,

788
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:46.519
you know, maybe that there's a possibility that they would exist,

789
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:52.199
but maybe it's some form something that hasn't really quite

790
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:58.239
been discovered, you know. Where my idea of what a

791
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:04.760
sasquatch is is that I feel like maybe they're multi diventional,

792
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:09.199
or I don't feel that it's a creature that hasn't

793
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:13.320
quite been discovered. You know, as elusive as they can be,

794
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:19.719
there's got to be a way to where they they

795
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:25.159
hide or they I don't feel like they're like a

796
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.679
regular animal, you know. I feel like there's more to

797
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:33.159
it than that, and then I go, see, we've talked

798
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.320
about like, okay, so why hasn't anyone found any of

799
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.440
their bones? Like do they buried? They're dead? And I

800
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.960
feel like maybe they bury they're dead in some location

801
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.119
where you know, we can't really get to, maybe up

802
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:51.880
in the you know, maybe they're buried somewhere that people

803
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.559
can't usually go to. So they haven't been you know,

804
01:00:54.679 --> 01:01:01.039
discovered any as far as any remains, you know, but

805
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:06.599
he he just pretty much says, well, there's got to

806
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.199
be a scientific explanation for this.

807
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.159
It is really interesting to have that back and forth,

808
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.840
and you know, you hear so many accounts and you

809
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:25.000
know there's somewhere what the person encounters, they're one hundred

810
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.920
percent sure it's some undiscovered ape down in Oklahoma. But

811
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:34.079
then you have all these tons of accounts where you know,

812
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:39.199
whatever this creature or you know, whatever the sasquatch is doing,

813
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:44.559
it's doing some really really weird stuff that science cannot explain.

814
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.480
And it'll be interesting to see if we ever get

815
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:52.719
those answers someday. Myself, personally, I kind of take the

816
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.519
middle ground where I think, you know, we could be

817
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.840
looking at some kind of physical creature that can do

818
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.440
a lot, a lot of really weird stuff that normal

819
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:06.360
science cannot explain yet. There's just too many accounts from

820
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:13.960
witnesses sharing things that could be considered paranormal. But I

821
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.800
just don't think we really know what we're dealing with yet.

822
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:17.280
So but.

823
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.280
Diane, I would just want to say thank you for

824
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.760
reaching out to me and for sharing your story. It's

825
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.840
an incredible account and I'm so glad that you were

826
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.400
able to come on the show and to share what

827
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:36.280
you experienced those years ago out in California.

828
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.360
Well, thank you for the opportunity to share as well.

829
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:42.719
I just wanted to take a minute to say thank

830
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:44.320
you for listening to this episode of The Big for

831
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.119
Society podcast. Diana's story is the kind that stays with you,

832
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.239
not just because of what she saw on that sloping

833
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.639
yard and crestline, but because of the quiet strength she

834
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:55.760
carried through trauma, fear, and the unknown. It's a huge

835
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:58.199
thanks to Diana for opening up and sharing such an

836
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.559
emotional and personal journey. If you enjoy this conversation, please

837
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:03.840
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844
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:22.679
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845
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:26.760
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01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.960
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