"Everyone around here sees the Villanous Gate"

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I've taken far too much of your time

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so far, so let's get on
with the show, all right, Big

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Society. You've got the privilege of
talking to a gentleman who contacted me over

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the internet. His name is John, and he has a very interesting encounter

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story. I think we're just gonna
let him kind of an unveil bill that

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because it sounds very interesting with John, how are you doing tonight? I'm

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doing fantastic. How about yourself,
I'm doing great. It's been it's been

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a long time coming chatting with you. We've been working on it for a

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while, but I'm excited to chat
with you about this. Yeah, indeed,

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indeed, well let me take the
picture for everyone. So we're this

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happened in Tows Canyon. Tows Canyon
is a twenty one mile stretch of switchbacks

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and a very dark canyon between angel
Fire and TOAs if you were to look

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at at Tows or angel Fire.
Excuse me, we kind of shit.

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It's kind of like we're it's like
a big old shift gold but made out

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of mountains. We have a lot
of We have wild turkey. We have

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Bear Mount Lang I mean June,
we had it. Even a wild turkeys.

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They're as big as uh like a
kitchen trash camp. I mean they're

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they're huge. We have milk and
you know, uh, mule deer and

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all kinds of stuff like that right
around. But anyways, I've been here

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for about let's say a year and
a half, and like my first week

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here after coming, I moved up
here from Austin, relocated. And the

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very first week that I was here, we had a call them kids,

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a couple of my younger cookser whatnot. They were telling me about a creature

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that is called the villainists Gates and
I have never heard of this creature before.

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She's like, yeah, yeah,
So you know, I'm I'm out

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there on the on my balcony and
I'm you know, watching the Barris Go

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bar whatnot, and I see this
just black feature sharing at me from across

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the meadows or whatnot. I'm like, whoa, what do you mean we're

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going on? We're talking about it. We're talking about dog mad And I'd

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always been interested in Bigfoot. So
she's like, no, it's not bigfoot.

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It's definitely not adult man. And
then one of her, her current

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roommate, Lucas, She's like,
nah, it's definitely not a dog man.

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I mean, I've got this dog
man up here where we are.

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The elevation here is we advertise it
at eighty six hundred feet where Lucas lives.

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He lays at about eleven thousand feet
and so, and the backside of

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his parents properly without you can clearly
see Colorado from here. I mean,

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we're just we're just like a swing
throwaways, so so over there, it's

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like it's barely any stretched soil.
I mean, it's like like raw and

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brand new. So he was very
certain about his deciding there after I was

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here for about i'd say about a
month. I'm driving away from work and

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uh, you know, it's a
little winey road. You're kind of cutting

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through the golf course to get out
of here, and I'm seeing something out

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of the out of the corner of
my eye and it's a U and it

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was tall and it was black and
it had like an amber looking eyeball And

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okay, hold on, do you
know those you know, the traffic signs

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that you know with a pedestrian crossing
and whatnot. Okay, all right,

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So if you could imagine that sticker, that tradition that's in that that's in

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that science, if he were to
come off of that time and he just

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has one dimension, so there's no
it's just a kind of like a flat

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man, so there's no girth to
him. Okay. Anyway, so there's

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I'm driving down the cannon and it's
very dark. What we like to do

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here. What I found out is
that usually you want to get you want

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to trail someone to kind of share
the life because you can you can hit

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just about anything going through there.
So it's already ah. I guess this

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happened about maybe about two months ago, so we have a you know all

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that the deer are having little babies
running around, and so we're driving through

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your cannon. I'm just naturally cautious
anyways, So we're sharing the light.

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I'm already I'm zipping through, and
I'm going faster than than I should.

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I think the speed limbits like forty
miles per hour or whatever. We're both

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falling ass made about fifty or sixty
going through there, and we pass up

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a little family of some years.
And so usually, like the the females,

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they all hang out together, and
then the books, I'll hang out

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together, and so this one just
happened to be a whole bunch of females

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and their little babies. So we're
coming through the canyon and I'm a little

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bit closer tee hand than I should
be, and all of a sudden,

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the gentleman in front of me stwerves
real quick, and I'm thinking, okay,

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we're going to run up on some
deer. Ever, so I'm following

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his work. I might be maybe
two car nates behind him, so we're

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pretty close anyway. So coming through, he makes this swerve and then I'm

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looking to my right just to see
if I if I have. I'm already

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can already see the left side,
let's lest side of the canyon. It's

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uh, when all the snow runs
off, there's like a nice little stream

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and all that type of stuff on
that left side. On the right side,

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it's just woods and stone, rocks
and trees. Well, after he

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takes that swerve, I'm looking and
the guys who are doing construction in the

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canyon, so you have like a
like brand new paint on the road,

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brand new, you know, from
your traffic lands or whatnot. So he

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swerves. I follow him, and
then as I look up, as I'm

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looking out at the road or whatever, I see this black figure with one

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foot on that on that traffic the
the white liner went and I'm like,

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what the heck is this? But
I'm staring at him. He sit there

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guy front me. He slammed on
his brakes. I'm slamming on line and

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from his oh gosh, he looks
like Okay, that same sick guy that's

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on the traffic step side or whatever, but shaped like a newbis and he's

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got twelve feet tall. Easily his
arms went all the way down to to

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what I would say work would be
his ankles, and the hands it looks

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like maybe I couldn't they say if
they're fingers or if they're calls. But

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there was just like one continuous h
can't I guess you could say, one

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dimential And with that big old that
same old bit ambra that I saw before

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and the guy booth, we both
stopped so we should swam on the brakes.

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We both stopped eighty about another fifty
fifty yards ahead of this guy,

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and we're jumping out of the car. And the first thing that we're asking

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did you just see what I just
saw? Did you see that? And

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it was just it was just a
dangerous thing, and it was I know

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sometimes people give descriptions of of like
a creditor or like or maybe have a

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big foot and cloak or something like
that, but this creature was it's like,

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I guess what I described described it
to the very next day as a

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as like black hole black, like
the darkest black that you could imagine seeing.

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You could see the outline and it
was almost as if you could see

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through the blackness, if that makes
any sense. So it was just straight

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black. You couldn't I couldn't distinguish
between like a chest and a waist or

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anything like that. It was just
just just one if there was no separation

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that I could see that I could
see the next day, immediately I'm coming

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through the candid. I called my
son back in Austin and I was telling

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him about it right away. And
then the very next day, I'm coming

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to work. Haley Haley is here, Lucas is here, and Jamison this

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year and these kids they see they
see this creature all the time. But

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anyways, I'm telling my story because
I'm just really excited about it to some

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of the servers here. And before
i can even get to the part where

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I'm describing this creature, Jamo Jamison
walks through the door and he finishes my

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description to a chief to a t
and then you know, we really started

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going nuts then because it was like
it was like he was right there with

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me. So I don't know,
I've never heard of the term filling this

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gate. Hear about skin walkers.
Like I said, I'm very curious as

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as about big Foot. A matter
of fact, we had the big Foot

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siding in the Red River, which
is about thirty minutes away from Camagil Fire,

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and I think that was just last
year. Last year of the year

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before. So the guys up here, he's moving around. But what they

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tell me about this villain, this
gate, is that because we're in what

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you call the enchanted circle, so
it might go it might stand for about

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let's say a hundred round miles,
you know, in the circle whatever.

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And what I'm told is that this
villain is Gate. We don't know what

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it is, but and I'm assuming
it's a it's male. But the creature

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just he just does a loop in
this enchanted circle, just just walks around

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doing the loop. And that's really
really I can tell you about that.

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I say, I wish I could
wish I could say that the creature had

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had shoes. Where there was no
shoes. It was like it was just

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a white stick figures and uh.
And I could only see like one side

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of his face that was revealed to
me. Didn't see any teeth, didn't

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see any clothing. It was just
a black entity. That's all I can

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tell you. Really, that's really
interesting. Please continue, Yeah, hold

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on, this guy's trying to talk
to the last Okay, if you uh,

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if you like, if you want
to break out again my traps this

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time tomorrow, Jamison, he'll be
working here, and he'd be happy to

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share with you as well. Yeah, I will, I will, definitely,

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I'll definitely consider that. It's man, this is wild. I have

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a few questions for you, as
you can imagine. Yeah, yeah,

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okay, So man, where to
start? So you are in Texas?

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Correct? No? I mean angel
Fire, New Mexico. All right,

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thank you for that clarification. Perfect, So angel Fire, New Mexico.

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It's an area called the Enchanted Circle, one hundred miles round circle. And

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do you know how far back the
sightings of this creature go? Uh?

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Jamison his uh, he was pretty
much born and raised here and he's want

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to I want to say, he's
eighteen or nineteen now, and he's been

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seen since since he's his youth,
you know, four or five years,

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since he was four or five years
old. So as far as uh,

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the the history of this creature,
I couldn't. I couldn't tell you that.

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I couldn't tell you that. Sure, you know, but it's not

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I mean, it's not like the
guy. I mean, it's the damnest

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thing. I mean, he just
sits around and he walks around a lot.

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But the kids, I mean,
they see him all the time.

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after these words from our sponsors. I've

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seen him three times, but the
kids, I mean, it's like every

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every other day or whatever. Think
got a story that thinks that they've seen

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him the night before. We'll they're
seeing the kitchen in the morning. Have

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you ever heard of anyone outside the
restaurant having sightings of this creature, like

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outside of your group that's in the
restaurant. Yes. So when I moved

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here, I had a dolt woman
that happened to have he had developed cancer.

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He's about thirteen, you're going on
fourteen years old. And but like

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in Austin, you know, we
would go out for you know, midnight

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heights and stuff like that, and
we called it getting spookies. So we're

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doing that here. And I ran
into a to a gentleman by the name

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of Joseph. He was a Native
American, and it was like, hey,

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what are you doing. You know, I've got I've got I've got

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a machadi and uh, you know, a nice little flash side or whatever.

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Because I mean it was a couple
of nights ago we were we were

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stocked by by a mountain mountain liar
whatnot. So he's asking me what we're

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doing. I'm like, yeah,
we're just going outside. We're getting We're

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just said to get silky around here. And he was like, he's like,

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sir, I would highly highly recommend
that you do not do that,

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that you don't you try to stay
inside your house after nine o'clock. And

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I was like why. He was
like, well, because not just bare,

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not just couger. He said there
are things out here. There are

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things out here, and it really
took me back or whatever, but it

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was like it's like, yeah,
he's like there's a you know if you've

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heard of steam walkers, and that's
how the stuff and you know, and

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whatever you can get whatever you imagine, they're out here. And they kind

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of dogged on me because I used
to like the where I work, we

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close that at nine. Just about
every store around here in Mange of our

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closes at nine, And I was
like, what the heck is going on

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with this? And then it kind
of when he brought that to my attention

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to kind of makes sense. It's
like these folks are are going home and

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getting comfortable because you know, we're
it's safe, and so it kind of

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made me think that that's why the
city where the village Mange of Our closes

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that at nineteen black clockwork. I
mean, it's like it's just like it's

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shut down. I think the population, just a general population here might be

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under seven hundred people. So when
we're not busy during the season, you

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know, for bi single season or
C season or whatever, it's pretty much

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gross out. And you know,
the wildlife here is very h they're they're

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they're very use to humans. You
know, we had a we had a

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saw five hundred pound bear that was
just walking in the diner and just the

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other day, so you know,
but but yeah, I had there's a

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war I lived in Tows. There's
a telement that goes by the name of

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et nickname for extrats restaurant Ornot,
and he's got amazing stories about big Foot,

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not one man, but big Foot. So you know, it's here

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is pretty it's just's just pretty pretty
common. I mean, if you mentioned

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big Foot here, no one can
have got a bad an eye or even

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or even laugh about it. I
mean it's they take it pretty serious here.

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So you've got big Foot in the
same area whatever this villainous gate creature

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is and personally well, first off, has anyone ever captured a U any

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photos or videos or any evidence of
this thing at all? Yet? Uh?

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I believe Jameson has I believe so? Really, yeah, I believe,

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I believe so. But I know
we've also we'd also joked about thinking

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and we just need to go out
there instead of trapping and chests, you

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see, we chest his same.
But but I think I think Jameson tests

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Hey Sol personally, do you think
that you're dealing with a skin walker or

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some kind of dog man? H
I say, more and more inclined on

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the on the level of of a
skin walker, not a not a dollar

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man for sure. And I asked
that because of the time when you brought

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up a twelve foot tall Anubis type
features, and that's that's sometimes sometimes you

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hear that thrown around when people talk
about dog man. So that's that's the

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main reason why I brought that up. But yeah, I couldn't. I

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mean, even with that it was
black girl, there was no Oh my

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gosh, I really can't describe.
I can't articulate what I saw because I

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mean I didn't see I saw the
shape of it that line, But as

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far as features like the like the
muzzle or you know, any kind of

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tease or anything like that. Dope, just alid black. She's solid black.

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It's solid black. And then the
one way that I could make out

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his hands, it's because you know
how uh uh, you know how you're

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how you're walking and you're you know, you're dragging your you're you're flaying your

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arms back and forth. Well,
okay, that's the only reason why I

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can make out that hand, because
it's just happened to be away from that

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the blackness of the body, if
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yeah, and the and the favors
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it was an open hand. And
that's why I saw that when you saw

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the creature. And maybe even from
what you've heard from your co workers,

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are there certain emotions that people will
feel associated with with seeing the creature or

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is it different people react in different
ways? Uh? You know, I

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would say that people do react differently
in different ways. I mean, and

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the kids here, they're so I
mean, they're so used to seeing that

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the creature that it's just uh,
it's just like you while talking like it's

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just said lack of Visit's like it's
just another day, I went from uh,

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the female in particularly, she went
from being astonished she actually moved here

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from Wisconsin, but she went from
being astonished and scared to now it's just

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just comment, you know. I
just I'm just gonna go out there on

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my porch or whatever, smokes cigarette
and if you could come, body comes

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by, you know, not a
big deal. Well, so how close

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is the creature getting to people's houses? Do you think? Probably within I

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don't know, fifteen feet or less. Wow? Yeah, yeah, easily.

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This is man, this this is
wild. I'm not sure what to

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think about this, John, if
you were a kidd and when this is

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uh, this this is a wild
one. It feels like, Man,

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I'm sure there's people listening to this
from there's got to be people listening to

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this podcast from that area that have
also seen this creature. And if they

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would reach out big for society at
gmail dot com to let me know if

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they've have seen this and maybe they
know the creature by other names, that

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would be incredible. I mean,
John, I mean, I'm sitting here

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with do Thumps the whole time that
we're talking, and again, I just

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wish that I had the right words
to articulate what I saw, but no,

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it's uh, it's real. And
uh there's several folks around here that

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could that could test to the story
and and and share their their verse as

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well. Wow. Yeah, it's
just it's just stand the same, you

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know. And when I when I
first saw it, you know, I'm

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thinking, Okay, maybe it's just
you know they maybe it's just a big

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book or something like that. That's
that's in my experient field vision. But

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not it don't work about too much. And then it was like a couple

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nights later, saw the same thing
again, except this time I stopped and

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just marveled at it, and uh, you know, then I was like

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a Chucks, I don't want to
I don't want to stare, stare too

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much or whatever it's I can't I'm
going. But so that's that's twice,

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and then I can and really make
it just really just affect me without any

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kind of question whatsoever. And then
for the for the gentleman I was driving

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the forerunner ahead of me, for
us both to stop and pretty much say

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the exact same thing, did you
see what I just saw? Did you

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see it? Did you see it? So? Well? Yeah, but

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by the time we uh uh you
know, turned around foot back in that

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direction or whatever. I mean that
the creature was gone. And so I

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don't know if it went back into
the into the woods from the from the

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right side work it was, or
did it go on the left side to

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where they know the little stream and
the little river is because I couldn't say

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it say that, did you get
is the gentleman that also saw the creature

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that one time? Is that someone
you still keep in touch with or is

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it just happened and then you've never
seen the gentleman again? It was just

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it was just a random coincidence.
Yeah, it was just it was just

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random. Yeah, And I don't
know. I mean, it's a trying

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to think now it's just random and
I don't know, And I'm trying to

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think if I even see the Gentleman's
vehicle in the angel fire what I really

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don't recall that either. It was
one of those uh you can't get to

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it was that you know that hot
hot orange that they got on those four

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runners nowadays? Sure, so yeah, so it's a I've definitely noticed about

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it if he was here, but
uh, yeah, that's wherett have you

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ever talked to the owner of the
restaurant to see if that the owner has

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had in the sightings of this of
the creature. The owner lives in uh

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in Dallas and uh yeah, and
but wherever he comes down and whatever.

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I mean, I'll joke about the
big trit or whatever. Butody doesn't say

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anything one thing or another. They
just lap out along with me. But

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oh, we'll I'm gonna say,
but the change of fire, from what

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I was told was was built on
on on an Indian burial ground, So

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that could be something that that could
have something to do with it. I

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mean, I know I've seen a
I've seen a young woman probably maybe five

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two, and I'll be hot dog
if she wasn't going to just turn into

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a werewolf right in front of my
eyes, in the middle of it,

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in the middle of the bar.
And that's a that's a totally another story

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in itself. So again there are
this is the enchanted Circle, and there's

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the scene here too that the enchant
of circle will either accept you or it'll

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spit you out. And I mean
I've had I've invited employees or friends from

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Austin, Texas to come up here
and works and some of them hadn't even

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made it a week before this enchanted
circle kicks them out because it it is

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to just make them accept them.
So as far as this spiritual nature,

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I'd be really exclined to believe that
it's that that creatures is it's something spiritual,

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is a spiritual instus. What I
would say it is Wow. Yeah,

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so you've got the villainous gate,
You've got people almost turning into wolves.

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You kind of mentioned dog Man a
little bit earlier. Do you have

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dog man stuff going on that are
you too? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, Lucas, Yeah, he has dog men's sidings up

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there and again, but he's on
a higher elevation too. And it's like

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if you picture age of fire as
a as like a fish hoole, he's

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on the back side of that fish
bole. So he's got I mean,

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like again, you can see from
here from Colorado from here, and that's

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just just nothing but nature. Yeah, nothing, but as far as the

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eye can see just a little bit
this. We'll be back with more big

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Foot Society after these words from our
sponsors. And then I think we have

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some fires last year and a lot
of the areas that works that got all

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burn up with a lot of it
that the animals are starting to migrate this

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way, and so I'm wondering if
that has something to do with it too.

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I mean, because like even the
frequency it just bears alone, it's

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like really exploded just lately. And
then for us it's ilk season, So

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you know, I don't So,
I don't know, you know, if

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there's just more of a fun and
through source for them out the creature that

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I saw, I don't. I
don't know if it's eating anything, but

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I can imagine a good big foot
and adult man to live out here very

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well. Absolutely. And that's something
else that has has come up in passing

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a few times in this interview.
Is it sounds like there's some some pretty

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solid big foot activity in that area
of the enchanted circle as well? Yeah,

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yeah, I think so. I
think so it's an Again, it's

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not if you if you're in the
city of the Buildings of Tiles and you

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mentioned anything about aliens or UFO or
whatever, again, no one will fat

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an eye and they're like, yeah, he just all one just the other

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day. I'm sure if you mentioned
big foot, yeah, you can have

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Bill have a conversation with you all
about it. Yeah, it's a I've

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never ran any someone or mentioned it
or heard the topic come up to where

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anyone was ridiculed. Here, it's
like nope, you yeah, let's talk

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about it. Yeah you do.
You do you remember any particular big Foot

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stories that you've heard from that area
that you found interesting or well they The

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one that sticks to my mind was
like the most I guess if I've been

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here a year and a half,
so maybe eighty a little under two years

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ago, I think that's where that
side was in red River. And so

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red River, okay, So the
in Canada circle that's angel Fire, the

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red River Questa and Tows that that
makes up that ring from from Toles and

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and and there's a okay, so
in Tows there's a an Indian pleblaw.

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But on the back side of that
tweblaw there's like a Wheeler Peak and some

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other very tall mountains back there.
But what can can't go on it because

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it's on the pleblaw Lolong to the
Lolong to the tribes. But on that

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on that back side over there,
you can take a trail from Tows to

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red River and just just have a
you know, you can buy get walking

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whatever you want to do. But
that's where the big Foot is a scene

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that has been seen on that back
side. And I think when he was

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from what they the report said when
he was in the in Red River,

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I think he was just pretty much
as being a nuisance really, you know,

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just rummaging, rummaging around or whatnot. So it could have been could

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have been a younger one, you
know, maybe it chu been all or

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something. But that's about it all
that. As far as when Lucas would

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mention the dog man that he believes
he's encountering at his at his home and

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whatnot, he just describes the animal
as just she scratching on his on his

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walls and scratched down the windows,
that type of thing. But again,

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more like call like a nuisance.
You know. It's like, man,

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this stuff is like it just start
to kiss me off. You know,

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I can't I can't sleep. We're
all doing all this stuff at two o'clock

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in the morn. I'm trying to
little bit. So yeah, that's all

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I know about that. I don't. Yeah, it's probably cool at first,

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but then it gets pretty annoying,
I would guess. Yeah, I

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think so too. I mean,
but yeah, it's a I mean,

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it's it's it's it's it's it's different, it's special. It's a unique place,

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I would say, and it really
sounds like it. Can you go

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into detail or anything at all about
you mentioned there's some UFOs and alien activity

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in the enchanted circle as well.
Oh yeah, the guy, Yeah,

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okay, so where I live,
uh et he works. He does construction

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at that property. First night,
okay, and I have like a little

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green, little alien man outside of
my front door, and uh sucks.

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The first thing that I've met him, he's like, hey, my name's

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eighteen. Like, okay, that's
school. It's like, yes, short

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of racial trestle because you know,
I've been I've been abducted before. I

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was like, what it's like,
and uh, because I also have a

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have a pit bull and the ball
was out there, he was kind of

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skins behind it, and it was
like, yeah, so that's not a

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little little jumpy because I've been abductor
before, and uh, you know I've

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also been you know, attacked by
pit bulls or whatever yours. Just you

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just you're just triggering those memories for
me. Yeah. So it's let's say

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it's it's called the house retirement village. Half there's twelve units that are assisted

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living and then the other units are
just for anybody else. But there are

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the elderly. I mean they talk
about them all the time. And we

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have like a little clearing because where
where pange of fires, little mountainous over

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there, and the towers were at
the edge of the rocky mountains. But

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there's a there's fast mesas out there, so I mean, you can you

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know, you can see different galaxies
from out there, and there's there's very

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little like the interfere with that type
of thing. But but yeah, they're

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shooting. They're shooting. Oh,
they're all the time. I mean,

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just going back and forth. And
I think I think New Mexico is one

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of those sleeper states. You know, we hear about the area fifty one,

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and we hear about the mountains up
there in Colorado. But I think

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New Mexico and Buyo Canion is one
of those sleeper states that stay under under

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the radar of national news where a
lot of this, uh, the UFOs

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and the aliens you know, can
can develop and can thride here without without

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much attention to being drawn to Yeah
you can. Jolly, it's I say,

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it's not nothing serious, nothing serious. It's like a it's just like

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a. It's it's like, it's
like it's common culture. The thing that

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gets me is is that you're saying
that in these three towns that are in

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this enchanted circle, like everyone is
like, yep, it's cool, it

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happens. I've seen it, my
mom's seen it, my kid has seen

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it, and it's like, not
a big deal, not a big deal

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at all, not a big deal
at all, not a big deal.

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All you know there, if you
drive going through town or whatever, you'll

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find, you know, one of
the hottest selling products out here is that

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the traffic sign with the cow being
transported by it by UFO. You know,

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it's locked into little tractor beams whatever. I mean, that's that's everywhere.

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Really Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I said yeah. People make no

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bones about it, no bones about
it at all. John, Do you

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find that a little weird or is
it just you're used to it now?

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Everyone in their front yard has these
like cows getting abducted signs. You're saying,

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they're all over the place. I
mean it's very common. It's very

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common. Yeah, it's what was
your question again? No, that's that's

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I just wand your your quick opinion
on that. If you had to,

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you know, thinking about the Enchanted
Circle in general, if you had to

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pin it down to one reason why
all this stuff is going on inside the

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circle, what would you say?
I say, because of the spiritual nature

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behind behind our Native Americans. That's
that's what I would say. You know,

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we've got there is ah. I
want to say, there's four or

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fourteen or seventeen pablows just in New
Mexico alone, and and everything is really

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you know, it was really really
really admired and sacred if that makes a

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sense. You know, there's a
lot of so yeah, i'd say more

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of the names, I'd say this
the spiritual spirituality of our or our Native

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Americans. I would say, it's
absolutely fascinating. I can't believe I've never

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heard of this this area before.
That's just wild. Listeners, if you

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know stuff about the Enchanted Circle,
please reach out. It's just it's clows

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my mind. Man. Yeah,
if you if you ever make it down

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this way up here to you or
whatever, I mean, we've got it's

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a nice hotel, and I put
you up in a in a hotel or

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you can they're walking there, hang
out and towels and whatnot, and so

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let I say, take some folks
rain. You know, it's not a

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yeah, it's not hard to do. It's not hard to do. I

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can probably I can probably imagine A
few listeners are like, that place sounds

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pretty cool because it sounds like everything's
there in this hundred mile circle. Is

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it a good idea for people to
visit that area or is it kind of

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like they don't really like visitors coming
in and no ord place to visit.

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I mean we're we we treat ourselves
or we we model ourselves as a as

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a family resort. So no,
it's yeah, you wanted time to visit

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and and see the sights and whatnot. I mean it's I mean, nature

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is everywhere, and it's like there's
so much like granted in the in the

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rocks and trickle ways and and onyx
and I mean it's just it really seems

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like that like the land is alive. That makes sense, Like it's just

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alive. So absolutely I know that
that makes that makes total total sense.

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A really left field question, have
you ever had any interactions with big Foot

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or heard anything from other states besides
where you're at now Oklahoma. Okay.

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I didn't want I didn't want to
like out that state because of what we

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said, but I was kind of
leading you into it. Yeah for sure.

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Okay. Anything you can share from
that, yeah, I mean I

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have not seen one in Oklahoma,
but we had. I grew up in

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Moore, Oklahoma, and at the
at the time, my graduating class was

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I think we had over twelve hundred
kids. So we had there's like five

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lakes around. Our favorite lake was
it was Draper Late. So we'd go

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out there, hang out and you
know, do what kids do whatever.

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But the guy, a buddy of
mine, his dad owned the horselining stables

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out there were not and uh it
ain't wait and he was. He was

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always coming to us with stories about
a bit shoot down area. That's always

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messing around with the horses, that's
around the horses and move himself around.

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I'll put I'll put the saddle over
here, and they're like, how back

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saddles over there? And uh,
but he was. He was also Native

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American and his father used to uh
to talk about it and talk to us

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about him all the time. So
and this was, uh, this would

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be between ultra Ahola City and Norman
kind of like the right down in the

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middle. Okay, gotcha. My
mom used to go to the Art Vocal

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Wilderness and she swore up and down
like in I want to say were eighty

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six when I graduated high school,
maybe about nineteen eighty three. She used

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to go a lout and she could
have swore she saw when over there.

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But me myself, I have not, gotcha. I wouldn't be surprised.

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I've heard things around the Arbuckle Wilderness
a few times so that that wouldn't be

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surprising to me at all. I
mean, that state is such a weird

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state at southeast Oklahoma, of course, you know, it is just incredibly

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intense. Yeah, but you know, I think, oh gosh, yeah,

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I'm trying to think worlds, I
know, how know, weas to

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hear about him in Paul's Valley as
well, and then I'm trying to think

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there's also some place more like maybe
Ada. Oh, absolutely, I hear

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about Ada. Hold that is a
big area, yeah, absolutely, ad

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Yeah, And then but you know
I probably think, I mean, I'm

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always scanning the forests he's looking for, but it's almost like here in Age

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of Fire, if there was one
in front of you, you might not

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even be able to see it,
you know. So I mean it's I

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don't know, not so much super
super thick, but they are kind of

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dense, you know, and it's
interesting, you know, I could really

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believe that it's like now, instead
of scanning eye level, I try to

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stand you know, fell feeding up
or something like that too by the seating

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thing. But I think if if
I lived there, I would definitely have

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a a camera on my car,
a dash cam for sure. It sounds

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like you're bound to to run across
something if you're just driving around, So

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yeah, maybe maybe one of those
mountain bike a lot. I usually have

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to have my grow pro amounted to
live whatever i'm outa without. So yeah,

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so I try not as consistent as
a life here without but chance of

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or like you just said, hang
out here long enough, you're going to

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run into something. Oh absolutely,
it sounds like it's it's definitely going to

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happen. John, Thank you so
much for reaching out to me and for

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chatting about all the stuff that you've
guys got going on in the enchanted circle.

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It's incredible and I really appreciate you
you sharing some stuff if you could

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wait hang out for a few seconds
afterwards, but thank you so much for

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coming on. Man, all right, you're absolutely welcome. Jeremiah'll talk to

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you soon. You're a big for
Society. Article is to provide a platform

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for those that have encountered Bigfoot to
share their encounter in a safe and respected

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environment. But we need to hear
your story. If you've experien something that

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you just can't explain, please send
me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail

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dot com. Then we can start
the conversation. I know a lot of

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you have not shared your encounter at
all. It's been twenty years and it's

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time that you get this off your
chest and then you can get some well

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deserved for rest, because I know
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what

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you're going through, and I appreciate
every one of you listening.