Exploring the Bigfoot Legends: Personal Tales and Encounters (Encounter Archives)

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All I pick society. We've had
the privilege of talking to a gentleman.

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Tonay's name is Rick. He had
approached me through Facebook, I believe,

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and he's got some interesting stories,
uh, anecdotal evidence from over the years.

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Rick, how's it going. I'll
let you take it from here.

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Doing pretty good, man, Thanks
a lot for having me on. So

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I'm glad we can actually finally get
together because you and I have kind of

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asked back and forth on this for
a number of months. So it's been

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a long time coming. Yeah,
so one thing or another. So so

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anyway yet, and not to be
overly vague, but I live in Oregon.

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I've lived in the Oregon whole life, pushing sixty years almost, and

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it just had an interest in this
topic for on Roger Patterson and and uh,

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mister Bob Gimmelin put a movie out
and that's just been always intrigued with

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it ever since. So, you
know, and over the course of that

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time, as Jeremiah and I have
spoke, I've I don't have any hair

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raising encounters or stores for people,
but over the course of time, I've

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I've met people, I've talked people, I've got a lot of good friends,

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and you know, over all these
years, I just have a lot

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of stories that make me more of
a believer. I haven't seen one.

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I know, there's there's there's nowhars
and believers out there. There's n'er say

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naysayers, there's people that are just
don't know. And I don't know,

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but I've got to I hear enough. And I've been interested enough in the

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topic for well over half a century
that I said, I've got some stories

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are kind of cool to me,
and I've kept tracking over the years,

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and I guess, you know,
it's probably good time to share some of

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those. I love it. It
sounds like you're in a I mean,

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being in Oregon in general, doesn't
matter where you're at, you're in a

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cool area. But it sounds like
you're in a cool area. So I'm

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excited to hear you know you you
you've brushed, You've brushed, you know,

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paths with with people that might be
known to the Bigfoot community. But

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I'm excited to hear you know what
you've You've gathered along the year so well,

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and and first fall. So I'm
not a researcher. I spent a

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lot of time in the woods.
I hunt and fish, and I my

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family and I have a lot of
trail cameras that sit down in the mountains

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and all that. And again I've
I've got no groundbreaking, earth shattering evidence

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that's gon be percented tonight. But
I've got a pretty I said, a

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lot of interesting stories with a lot
of people that there's a lot of people

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out there are never a believer until
they became a believer or an owner.

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And there's those that have chas their
entire lives and never really satisfied their need

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to know. But yeah, we
live right at the base mount hood.

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I've lived in western Oregon my entire
life, yet Mount Saint Helens, Mount

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Adams, i spend a lot of
times up in the northeast and Oregons or

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Paul Freeman, a lot of people
most people know about Paul Freeman's well,

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I'm very familiar with that country.
And I've just got little bits and pieces

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from all these other these areas.
That's just kind of another piece is the

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puzzle, I guess, so to
speak. So so what I put together

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is I've got the number of stories, again, vast majority of anecdotal,

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but that's that's all. The vast
majority of those are second person These are

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acquaintances and or friends of mine that
we've just I've you know, we've talked,

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we've had stories. So so if
you don't mind, I'll start off.

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I've kind of segregated this region by
region, and then and then uh,

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you know, I said, I'll
just kind of start that way.

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I'll start with some kind of miscellaneous
and I'll kind of focus on a couple

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different regions, uh, that Northeast
Oregon area obviously, the Pacific or the

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Mount Hood Cascade Range and up into
Mount hesse Hounds and Washington as well.

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So so uh yeah, I'll start
with kind of going chronologically as well.

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Some of the couple of miscellaneous ones
A good friend of my little brother step

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brother. And again we're going back. This is probably back in the eighties,

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but uh and and he told me
this story of years ago as well.

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But they were up in Montana,
Lincoln, Montana, if anyone knows,

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kind of west central Tanna, and
there was a lot of a lot

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of reports and stories and sightings of
Bigfoot back there in Lincoln, Montana back

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in the mid eighties. So when
I heard this story from my brother's friend

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Jeff, I was shooting was probably
in the late eighties early nineties, and

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Bigfoot to me, back then,
you didn't hear about Montana. You heard

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about Oregon, Washington, California,
Canada. He didn't hear much about the

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Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever. But my brothers saw friend Jeff I

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remember him tell us one day after
they'd gone back to Montana, I think,

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to see some family friends from the
summer, summer vacation whatever outside of

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school, and we started talking and
he knew we kind of had interest in

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Bigfoot and they'd done. I'm on
a day hike out in the mountains outside

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of Lincoln, and as I come
walking across again some of these things I've

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kind of paint. The vision I
have from the interpretation I have of the

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stories that I heard these people of
the years is what's probably in the details

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he gave me. And then the
way I picture it, they're they're coming

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back to their car. There's a
kind of a big clearing on a high

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ridge timber. They came out of
the timber a couple hundred yards back of

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the car, and as they're approaching
their vehicle late in the afternoon early evening,

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some people in the in the trailhead
start running at them, point and

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point and pointing. And in this
scenario there had been there'd been been bigfoot

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sightings activity. And they turned around
and Roger on the edge of the timber,

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they see this large, dark figure
turned walk back in the timber on

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the trail or in the vicinity of
the trail like it followed them out to

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the edge of the timber. And
uh, and my and Jeff and his

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family had turned turned and they just
saw this large back, black figure turning

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and walking back in the timber.
So and really that's just kind of that's

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how a lot of my story is
gonna be. It's gonna be stuff like

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that. But again, there's there's
several of them. So well, see

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this is great, Rick, because
I have listeners from all over and people

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are gonna be, oh, my
goodness, Lincoln, Montana. Yeah,

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yeah, I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana. You know. Well,

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then great and and ultimately that might
be how this all comes together, because

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I'll get in something. Actually,
just a couple more down the line here

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Yellowstone National Park, on the east
side of Yellowstone, Cody, Wyoming,

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there's a there's a number of reported
sightings of stories come out of there,

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Idaho. Same thing. I've the
Bouman incident, which goes back way back,

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and Teddy Roosevelt talked about that.
But again it's when I was growing

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up and younger, it was it
was Oregon, Washington, California, and

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then get up into Canada as well. So and as as we see now,

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it's that's a if you want to
call it, prefer to not.

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But it's not just Oregon, Washington, California and in Canada. So uh

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so, again, just since these
are not so much specifically regional, I've

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just got a couple of miscellaneous stories
so that that's the one link in Montana

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and back in their early to mid
eighties. Probably a good friend of mine.

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I'll have a couple of references to
him. Uh I have it outdoors

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when he's a non believer, and
and we'll get to one histories a little

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bit later, more local, but
a good friend of his that I've got

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to meet over the years. Again, a very simple story, but he

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was down and I'm kind of reading
us of noses to go here, but

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down the one the Orton Coasts selects. River Orton Coast has a good history

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too. You don't hear a lot
about it. They're they're driving along,

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driving the road down the Selects River
and this is probably back in the early

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seventies now and just a tall black
figure crosses the road in front of them.

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Uh as as a lot of sidings
are. You're driving at night and

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all of a sudden, bam,
bam bam, two or three steps and

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that's that's the experience you have that
the vast majority of the people in this

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country will never have. We're in
this world for that. So so a

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crossing the you know the highway head
done Selects middle of the night. They're

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not middle night, but probably And
uh so, I said, it's a

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that's all. That's all I have
on the story. But you know,

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it's just an acquaintance of a friend
that had saw something that can you explain

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it? Can you not? Whatever? And then finally of my Miss Laning

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stories just has to do as Yellowstone
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we used to go my family and
I used to go to Yellostone my

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wife and our kids, and even
prior to kids, we used to go

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to Yellstone quite a bit, ti
once or twice a year. And again,

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having heard some of these stories,
especially on the eastern boundary of Yellowstone.

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Is actually some photos from around Old
Faithful if anyone's seen those from a

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couple of years ago in the snow, possibly some bigfoots walking among some bison

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or buffalo on the trail system out
on Old Faithful in midwinter. But this

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is on the on the east and
northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw

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some very large impressions in the snow
as we're driving through in two or three

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feet of snow in an area that
typically deer and elk are not going to

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be that time of year, and
we slowed down and I took a look

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at him. I didn't hop out, but it was just interesting because that

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section of eastern Yellowstone getting into Western
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uh has over the last number of
years. I've I've seen heard and read

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several stories of sightings, encounters,
whatever. So I just saw big impressions.

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I just big impressions in what to
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snow crossing the road. So you
personally did yourself, wow, Okay,

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how how far apart were those significant
enough? So you see these photos from

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time to time in the snow Alberta, Canada, b C or wherever,

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and and deer in deeper snow will
hop and post hole balance And I didn't

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get out and looked in those holes
sure to see exactly what it was.

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You're you're you're in the Rocky mountains, You're in an area that's it's getting

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pretty dank, cold, and and
the vast majority of wildlife migrate out of

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those higher elevations. And this is
probably February is or so, probably near

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the peak snowpack, and just just
to see the impressions. They're just big

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oval type of impressions and snow at
a at a relatively at three to four

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footage type of distance. By that
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something is stepping that you would expect
maybe some tow drag dragons of snow.

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And we didn't. We just slowed
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area once and turned around, came
back, and I just uh to specifically

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look at those impressions in the snow. It could have been a deer.

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They should not have been deer up
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Most likely not up They don't typically
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so the plow their way through.
There's biason up there, there's moose,

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but same thing. They're big,
strong animals if they're living it than that

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there's plowing a trail through that.
Oh yeah, definitely they're not. They're

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not hoping or postal on stockpic stotting
or something like that. So it again,

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it was just it was just an
observation driving through Yelson Park in an

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area that there there is recent history
of experiences. Again actot what it was.

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I didn't get out and looked specifically
as it a five track, five

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two eighteen inch track and this riot
it's just like it was probably some zero

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and you're like, I'll stay in
the car. Yeah exactly, And and

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I've kicked myself from the butt ever
since that I should have got out of

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least stick my nose in one of
those suits. And the motto looks like

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right, you never know, right, And that's and that's a lot of

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people probably the same thing. You
see some of these videos online. And

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why didn't they why they stop filming, why did they chase it or pursuit

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or they didn't go look at tracks
while I didn't see it, creature,

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I don't know what made those I
just those impressions, just know it in

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and out made it. So that
being said, those are the more my

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miscellaneous. But I'll start focusing a
little more on some of the more regional

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and closer to my part of the
world, Western Ordy, Western Washington.

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Uh. One of those Mount Saint
Helens. Mount Saint Helens, Matt Adams

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Roger Patterson lived in ya Kamal,
which is right in that same region,

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and that's doesn't doesn't really make a
whole lot of difference. I guess he

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did a lot of research there.
Uh so long the Columbia River. And

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I don't know how many littles listeners
you have here and how many will see

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this later. I don't know how
many live in the Pacific Northwest, how

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many are familiar with food all goes
on out here. Some will probably know

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more than others. And I don't
know it all buy any means well,

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on the Columbia River, there was
a local little newspaper. This probably would

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have been the late sixties, and
and my grandparents lived up there in a

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little town or a little that's out
in the country outside of the local New

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Washoo, Washington. And uh,
my dad and gone to high school up

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there and all that, And I
remember the little local paper one day had

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a sketch drawing of one of the
local guys who coincidentally my dad and got

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to school but sad. He's always
kind of kooie dude. But he's driving

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up the highway on the Washington side
of the Columbia River, which is the

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Columbia River Gorge. It's a big, beautiful natural feature and in the fog

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in front of him, he sees
something leaning across the road, thought it

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was a tree, and as he
approaches it, so this is this is

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the Skimminie County with skimmunity. County
has a has a law that is illegal

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killed a sausquatch. And this is
something I ken't from around the sixties or

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early seventies as a commune county ordinance
or whatever. It's illegal to kill sausquatch

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and it's comunity County of Washington.
So along the highway along the Columbia River,

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the guy my dad and down to
school with and sent the Pete wrote

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it up in the paper. If
you drive along you see something looks like

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a tree land across the two lane
remote little highway in the dark and as

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he in the fog and his he
approaches, the thing continues to walk across

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the road. So so the paper
comes out. They have a little sketch

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might head house with my dad and
I know that guy, he's kind of

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a goofy dude in high school.
But as a result of that, and

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there's been a number of sidings along
that section of the I remember the highway

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sixteen or something, I can't remember
the name of the highway number on that

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side of the Columbia. There's been
a number of sidings in the Columbia River

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Gorge on that highways as well as
across the Columbia River, which is a

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very large river on the Oregon side. It's a major interstate Free eighty four.

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And there's been sightings on both sides
of the Columbia River on these highways

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and freeways over decades. So but
at that location, we're in the nearro

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that location where my dad's old high
school buddy had seeing this creature, someone

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made a big plywood cutout, and
so again we're talking. This is probably

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right around late sixties, nineteen seventy
ish, and I've looked before. My

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dad took a photo of it.
Yeah, I think he used to make

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slides out of these. I looked
several years ago, but they made this

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big old cutout right of that crossing. So on that highway on the Washington

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side, there's this eight foot plywood
cut out of a bigfoot and it was

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there for several years. It was
really cool. I wish I could find

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the picture because Dad wanted to take
a picture of me one day next shoar,

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I scared to death and guilt next
to that thing and get my picture

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taken next to this big foot cutout. But I just remember it's just this

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big, kind of rudimentary, kind
of painted up plywood cut out silhouette or

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bigfoot was sided and crossed the highway
on Highway sixteen, Highway eighteen on the

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Washman side. So so that's going
back to, you know, just a

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little bit of that history again.
It's just kind of a neat little thing.

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So but right around that time,
my father and I went up to

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Mount Saint Helens matt Adams and that's
also there's a wildness Aravida called the Indian

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Heaven Wilderness. Big time huckleberry picking
again, a Bigfoot history from over the

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years. Big for society who will
be right back after these messages and over

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the years, I'm talking over a
couple of generations. So right around as

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I'm looking my dates, right around
June of nineteen seventy one, my dad

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and I we were driving around.
We just had he had an old a

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Ford Bronco was just we'd take it
out the mountains all the time. And

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he used to run around that country
quite a bit, and you know,

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he grew up there hunting and fishing
and just chasing around just you know,

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getting in trouble. And this one's
one of the more significant in my early

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stages of the interests and Bigfoot.
Remember we went up on an old logging

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road on a north slope and we
came up to the kind of the the

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top of the clear cut. It's
all north slope, and there's some snow

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on the grounds. And that's why
it was. It was early enough of

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the year that you could we could
access all the roads to get up there.

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But but and it was also I
mean, it's late enough the year

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we could do that because the roads
are melted out, but it was early

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enough in the year. There's still
a big snow bank on that north slope.

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With this this ridge or mountain we
were on and we parked the jeep

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or the bronco and as we get
out and I'm young, I'm seven is

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years old or something like that,
six seven eight, and we get out

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and there are there are these impressions
all up and down this slope and I

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guess going from recollection, it is
two hundred yards long, maybe three hundred

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just open slope are being logged.
And the snow was probab anywhere from inches

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deep to maybe a foot or two. But there's these huge impressions that went

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down and up like three or four
times up and down this slope. It

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wasn't people. They were melted out, and my dad's remind me as well,

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but it was just the location,
the size of these melted out impressions

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in the snow. They were very
consistent. I don't remember the stride length

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or whatever. And again you talked
about deer earlier and their post tolling and

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jumping. A deer didn't jump all
the way down the hill and jump back

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up and jump back down that hill
three or four five times. And these

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impressions tracts, which again makes not
doesn't make any sense to this day on

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what made them, and why but
they just went up and down this big

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north slope snow bake three or four
or five times, like what you call

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it. It was just it was
weird. It was just they were big,

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big, melted out impressions in the
snow. H Someone didn't walk up

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and down that thing? Uh?
And if it was a big foot,

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why he walked up and down that
thing? Who knows. It's just it's

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always really stuck in my mind.
So what did that do to your to

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your thinking in that moment when you
like, were you freaked out? Or

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were you like, oh, I
have no idea what's going on? So

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that and great question. So when
I was younger in that age at six

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seven eight, and again Roger Patterson
and Gimlin that that film coming out in

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sixty seven, sixty year when it
was because they fail and ran it all

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over the place, I was terrified
of the woods and I was pensive.

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I love gunning the outdoors and camping
with my dad, so it didn't help.

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I had a tough time whenever we
went out. We had a little

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a little tech trailer ocasion maybe ten
camp whatever. I just and I was

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I had a tough time camping in
the woods. The daylight, I was

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fine whenever started getting dark. I
just uh, I didn't have had tough

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time sleeping. So so that experienced
there again, that's the only thing I

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could think of. It was a
big fun So my dad's one of those

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naysayers, and to this day,
you know, he's and I'll get into

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some stories here, all a little
bit later in some of the years that

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are like the Freeman location all that
was a lot of time in La country

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as well. My dad has never
seen or experience anything to even give him

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an inkling of belief. So even
with those tracks, we've talked about those

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in the past, he's you know, he he doesn't know what the heck

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they were. And obviously at that
point he was in his mid thirties or

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whatever. But now I was.
I can't say I got any more scared,

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but I just kind of confirmed a
little more that I can't sleep a

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night when I'm captain of the woods. That's just kind of what that came

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to you, right, Yeah,
it's like a long time to get over

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that. I'm bad man. That's
funny. Yeah, So it is a

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definitive note by any means. But
anyway, it was just it's another one

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of those little memories of personal experience. I just ran him and there to

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this day I really couldn't can't explain
now how big the snowfield was. Again,

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I know it would have been right
around June of twenty of that of

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that year. I again around in
the seventy one. So just because of

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the snow commissions and all that,
that makes litt sense to me. What

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made tracks down that hill three or
four times? And at this point we'll

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never know, but some things made
more sense than others. So up in

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that same country, uh so my
step brother Brian, he uh my my

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parents' divorced when I was three.
Dad got remarried a couple of years later,

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and so my step brother Brian,
they had some I can't remember why,

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but they had some family I think
a relations up in the Yakma area,

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which saying that Mount say Helen's,
Mount Adams and yack Mills, where

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Roger Pattison and Bob gain Them both
lived. Bob still does so somewhere right

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around the early seventies, there's a
pass when you're coming from Oregon and having

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to cross go cross country, you
go through a big Indian respervation, go

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over this it's called SATs Pass and
that's not real high, it's thirty five

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hundred feet whatever, and dropped down
the backside to the reservation. He hit

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a couple of communities to get to
Yakoma. So uh and again this is

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just from him. Uh. They're
driving back in the dark. Here's with

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his father. So this is after
mom and his mother and his father had

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separated. I think his mom and
my dad might have been re married by

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then. But they're coming back through
that area at night, and I'm just

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looking at my notes kind of refreshed
my memory on it. Late at night

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driving back from Yakimaut to Portland in
that state, has passed area and something

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large across the road in front of
two lakes. Wow. And and once

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again, these these are areas that
aren't random. These are all areas that

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have a history and that and that's
all. It was. In the dark,

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young kids with their father and something
something on two lakes, cross lakes,

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cross the road in the dark in
front of them, And that's about

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all I got on that one.
The The best thing about these story like

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stories like this is that the people
in these stories have nothing to gain by

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sharing these stories like they're not going
to become famous or get of money,

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Like they're just sharing hate. This
happened to me, and like there's thousands

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of these. Yeah, it's it's
crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get

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a couple of those here. And
I've got twin brothers that are really good

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friends. But one can't tell the
story to the other because the other one

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laugh at them. But we'll get
to that in a bit. So these

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are then these are best my best
friends. So but and that's it.

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That's these stories have been shared with
me just over the course of time,

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and most of them have never been
shared beyond me. And so that is

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just because their experiences that most of
them are really had spent more They've spent

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no more time even thinking about them. So this kind of attled randomly.

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So moving forward up in that same
Mount Saint Helen's Mount Adams country, So

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another one now again I keep mentioning
Mount Saint Helens, Mount Adams. That's

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kind of the region I'm working on
here. But Mike, my grandpa grew

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up and working in the coal mines
in Pennsylvania back when he was younger,

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moved out here, got married to
my grandma, started their family, my

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dad and then his sister, my
aunt. But my grandpa just he he

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loved hunting and fishing. And I'm
talking to you're soalking now, probably the

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forties, fifties, sixties, and
there's a whole different world out here back

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then as it was it, you
know, entire country, in the entire

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world. So but Grappa Pete loved
to get that in the outdoors. And

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I remember him telling me a story
once and he did this. He hadn't

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he and I never talked bigfoot,
saw squatch, whatever. But he's told

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me a story. It's a little
interesting. And he's huting from that same

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country. This is back in the
early days, just like Bluff Creek in

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California when that road is finally being
encroached on, taking the bulldozers in building

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roads, logging, whatever. And
I've heard things about like this, the

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different pitch on National Forest up premin
in Saint Helen's that there was a pamphlet

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put out and this kind of relates. But pamflet put out to employees back

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in the fifty sixties. Ever encounter
anything you can't explain, do not share

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it with anyone. Something along those
lines, because it was this was,

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uh this, these are forests and
mountains that were just starting to be again

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encroached on. So not a lot
of people, not a lot of roads,

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and a lot of access and loggings
just start to happen. So and

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they've been for trappers and miners out
here for one hundred years prior to But

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so my grandpa's out hunting somewhere up
in that country. Whether it's deer or

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elk, I don't know, most
likely yell and he's the story you told

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and he told me this story thirty
forty years ago. But he's hunting and

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there's a heavy timber, very heavily
thick forested out here in this in this

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part of the west, and uh, he sees a bear, and we

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have a we have a bunch of
bears out here, a ton of black

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bears, one hundred and tens of
thousan one hundreds of thousands. Sees a

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black bear. There's a little stream
crossing with the log on it. So

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he's watching this bear and he's going
to shoot it. Yeah, I'm just

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kind of surprised because back in that
day they shot all us anything they could

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and as the bears and I don't
know, what the distance was. If

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he was fifty yards or he has
two hundred yards, it's heavy enough timber

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in that country. He probably wasn't
it wasn't half a mile out as reasonably

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somewhat within the range and close.
So as he's watched this bear, and

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if I recall CHRISTI and a grandpa, I had an old thirty thirty that

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did not have a scope on it
matification. He's just shooting iron side,

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so he's just looking at it eyed
eye. So this bear approaches this log,

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stands up on its hind legs and
walk across the log to go across

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the creek. And then after that
I had whatever it dropped to all fours

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whatever. But now that's been thrown
out there for years. So you saw

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a bear or whatever walking on the
sign legs, Well, the bears don't

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tend to walk on hind legs.
And if the bears approaching the log,

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he saw him his all fours walking
across. But that's just one story that

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always stuck with me. I grap
up Pete told him told me years ago

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he wasn't thrown out there. I
think had a big foot sid and he

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just saying it is kind of a
weird thing. He saw bears walk into

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the woods. He's looking at it, think he's shooting another thing stands up

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on its hind legs and and you
hear stories of a big foot on all

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fours, typically more in a scurrying
type of a man or whatever. It's

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just it was just another story,
one of all these stores of Yeah,

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it's just some for the for the
notes and for the record book. That's

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and again he made no references.
He was from. He's that old school

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and worked in the woods a lot
growing up, and like working the mines

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back in the coal mines and all
that comes out here, and worked for

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the county parks, and it's been
a lot of ouder woods. He didn't

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say anything. It might have been
a big foot. He just told me

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a story about bear that stood on
the sign the links across the logs across

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the creeks. Really weird. Yeah, and so that's why I throw it

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out. Strect makes no sense to
me either. But what in the world

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And he didn't make it up?
Yeah, why, I mean, there's

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no reason he would he would make
that out, like right, So it

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was just a random story he told
And what the what the what even got

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him onto that topic. And again
this is going back. He has passed

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away a number of years ago now
knowing whatever whatever he brought that subject up,

404
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.759
I don't even recall, but that
was what do you have for me?

405
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:03.039
So and again up in that same
area, this is going back to

406
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.799
shoot forty five is years ago now, and this is this could have been

407
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.200
a bear or whatever, but it
was a group of lakes. If therefore

408
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.000
long there's actually a bunch of like
trill popular camping and fishing. Again,

409
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.599
this Indian Heaven Country was just between
Mount Saint Helens and Mount Adams neat beautiful

410
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.519
country, a lot of volcanic history
and all that. We're up there one

411
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.880
evening, my dad, my stepmother, my stepbrother, and sister and I

412
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.960
would get up kind of on a
log landing another kind of an older clear

413
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.680
cut and I heard it moan in
the distance. And now I've heard a

414
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.559
lot of bears moan, and they're
they're pretty vocal sometimes as well, And

415
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.880
this could have very well been a
black bear. But I'm again, we're

416
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:49.240
up in some of the more active, I guess or historically active bigfoot areas.

417
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.640
And I went run back my dad, cause I kind of walked away

418
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:53.640
from where we parked at the end
of this trail or at the end of

419
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.119
this road, and kind of got
down to the edge of this log landing.

420
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.839
It was. It was late in
the evening, It's probably last half

421
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.720
hour our daylight. And again this
is again, this is an experience of

422
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:03.759
mind, very active. It all. I have no idea it could what

423
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.319
it was. It wasn't it.
There were no news, wasn't an nothing.

424
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.920
It's just a moan. And I
was a young kid back then again

425
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.519
very scared a big foot, very
into bigfoot. We heard this, just

426
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.400
this moan off in the distance,
just kind of a bellowing, echoing moan,

427
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.960
and go running back to my dad
about fifty yards away and you hear

428
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.839
that. Then we heard it once
again. So again as I put together

429
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:32.400
my notes so to speak, of
stories and experiences and whatever, this one

430
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.000
I just added to. It's just
again, that was a long time ago.

431
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.200
I had not been I wasn't so
wilderness an outdoors savvy back then.

432
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.599
But it was just a moan to
this day, and no one what bear

433
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.200
sounds like. When it they're making
they make some of their mating moans,

434
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.359
and so they make there's a lot
of calls, so the only thing I

435
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.799
could have think it was outside of
anything else. It could have been a

436
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.039
bare moaning in the evening. It's
just communication whatever. But the sound I

437
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.480
remember hearing it wasn't It was wow. It echoed enough because it was a

438
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.680
distance away. It wasn't a screen
by any mean. It's just a moment

439
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.119
it heard twise and you know the
hill and what it was. Again,

440
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.519
it could have very easily been a
bear, but again my recollection that doesn't.

441
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.440
I don't remember it sounding like what
I typically have heard from bears in

442
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.000
the forest and the noise that made
over the earth. But that's all I've

443
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.799
got on that. I can't tell
you one way or the other. What

444
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.039
actually heard wasn't a person, wasn't
an elk or de or anything else.

445
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.160
But yeah, yeah, so I'm
not guaranteed our thing big for society who

446
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:51.759
will be right back after these messages. So that being said. A little

447
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.960
north of that, the Cascade Mountain
Range, which runs from British Columbia,

448
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.880
Canada, down through Oregon and then
it does kind of become the Sierra Nevadas

449
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.279
get into California. The Cascades have
a lot of history up and down,

450
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.559
and there are rugged mountain range for
the most part, A lot of volcanoes

451
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.759
are on an edge of we talk
tectonic plate. Some friends of ours,

452
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.000
uh Will and Julie I'll call him, which is that that isn't your name?

453
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:19.720
But uh yeah, okay, And
that's as far as we go there.

454
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.480
And it doesn't matter right, And
this is a random thing too.

455
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.519
Someone asked, going back just a
couple of years ago, name four or

456
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.279
five, sixty years ago, someone
says, you need to talk about to

457
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:34.200
Will about their experience. And it's
not like I go out there trolling for

458
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.079
information from friends and acquaintances or we
wife and I and a lot of friends

459
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.160
and family are social, get out
about it. But got to talk to

460
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:47.799
Will. So next time we saw
Will and in his and Julie's early days,

461
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:52.400
and I don't have a specific time, I would say this is probably

462
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.440
in the nineties, roughly they were
up in the UH. I can't remember

463
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.119
exactly what past. You have a
couple of major pass in Washington go from

464
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.160
the Seattle Tacoma area over to Yakama, heading to spill Can and all that.

465
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.839
I think the snowfall me past,
but I can't be one hundred percent

466
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.319
sure. But they had a truck
and a camper and pulled over at this

467
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.720
pass one night and again up in
this country that even recently, there's a

468
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:25.319
lot of activity. So they're in
the camper and there's a little gap between

469
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.680
the the truck and the camper,
right and again of how much it could

470
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.680
have been a couple of inches whatever. In the middle of the night,

471
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:41.000
there's something reaching between their camper and
the cab of the truck. Pickup s

472
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.160
rummaging around in there, and they
can tell by how far as reaching it

473
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.720
is, reaching in a long,
long ways between the cab and the pickup

474
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.039
and the camper, and woke them
both up, and I wonder what the

475
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.880
heck, who's sprun around with this? But it was it was just kind

476
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.599
of ominous and area enough for them
that they just kind of held tight.

477
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.079
Again, I'm kind of filling in
the blanks here. I can't recall it

478
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.640
all the exactly meals. So in
the in the morning, Will goes out

479
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.960
there and he finds long red hairs
and he said they're long, and they

480
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.240
stalk and he's and he told me, he says, I've got him in

481
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.839
an envelope somewhere. I don't remember
where they're at, and I want to

482
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.079
go find I got to go dig
him out sometimes just long red hair,

483
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.839
something digging in there between the gamber
and the the cab of the truck and

484
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.680
long hair, restinky red hairs as
a result of it. So, but

485
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.960
that being said, just that story
alone made him a believer. And I

486
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.160
didn't talk with his wife Juliet the
time they're together, Not that that matters,

487
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.640
but anyway, just another one of
those little story things are just kind

488
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.039
of randomly. Hey, you got
to talk to Will about his story,

489
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.720
and that's a story, and all
of a sudden, he's he's a believer

490
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:55.000
in Bigfoot. So that one is
really interesting. Man, you said he

491
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.480
he held on to him or yeah, he's he's got hairs battle in an

492
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:01.960
envelope somewhere. I had this conversation
with him, was a couple of years

493
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.880
ago. Now I went four or
five, six years ago, I can't

494
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.519
recall. And we're we're we're friends
with acquaints. This is not like we

495
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.440
hang out, buddy, buddy.
I haven't seen or talked to him,

496
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.720
but I I had told him to
go find that hang envelope. But whether

497
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.480
or not and he's you know,
he's got his trials and tribulations of life,

498
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.079
just like all of us, I
guess. So it's probably it's just

499
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.160
again one of those people that probably
had just that one particular experience in encounter

500
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.960
and we'll never forget it but move
on the f life as well. But

501
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.359
if Will does happen to find the
envelope with the hair, there is a

502
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:39.839
rock and Bigfoot DNA study that's happening
down in North Carolina state. Really I

503
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:44.160
believe it's North Carolina state. Uh, and they are taking all sorts of

504
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:49.720
evidence. It was announced today as
smoking out not friends, well all message.

505
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.440
Yeah that's interesting. That's hey they
will ever talk to across that envelope,

506
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.240
But yeah, I've kind of curious
as well. It's yeah, yeah,

507
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.200
So anyway, like I said that, uh, that's the extent of

508
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:06.240
that story, but still it's intriguing
again. Moving on, So I mentioned

509
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.360
earlier my stepbrother Brian, who had
won him and his dad and I think

510
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.599
then sister with something cross the road
at between Jachmon Portland years ago. Whatever.

511
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.480
But his uh, his older son
and and I forgot about this one,

512
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.760
but and he just threw this at
me randomly several years ago as well.

513
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.440
But he's his friend's parents think they
hit one with their car. And

514
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.320
I don't exactly what or where whatever. I don't know. And again it's

515
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:36.599
just a random conversation my nephew and
I had several years ago. But is

516
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.639
and they live up in the they're
all up in this kind of the Seattle

517
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:44.599
metropolitan area for the most part.
But my friend's parents think they hit one

518
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.599
of the car once. That's kind
of that's like a huge statement to throw

519
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.840
out, like I need I would
love to try to talk to him,

520
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.599
like that's wild and and who and
who his friend? How much I questioned

521
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.079
one. It's not like I'm trying
to you know. I I got to

522
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.480
go there tomorrow and yeah, review
the location, even it was twenty five

523
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.519
years old or whatever, you know, it's I can't remember. I don't

524
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.280
even I really honestly, I don't
remember that conversation outside of I've just kept

525
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.440
these notes over the years, and
all of a sudden, Matt came up.

526
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:19.239
So that topic so here the friend
was, where it happened, How

527
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.679
long go happen? I don't know. I mean, after all this,

528
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.280
after we have this follow up with
any, if any details you want me

529
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.519
to try and gather a glean for
you'll, I'll do what I can.

530
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.239
Can't guarantee it on our thing,
but uh, you know, who knows.

531
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:35.039
Maybe maybe I get all the Creightons
buddies, friends, their parents and

532
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.440
you can talk with them. That's
I feel like. I feel like if

533
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.280
you're gonna say, yeah, we're
pretty sure we hit a big cover with

534
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.679
their car, you probably have more
details, Like that's not just a sure

535
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.519
sentence that you would you'd throw out
without having more stuff to And that's interesting.

536
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.320
Yeah, So whether the whether the
Creighton's friend was with the parents and

537
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.760
he was there when it happened,
and then the friends said, hey,

538
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.320
and I think we hit a big
foot last night, and then create years

539
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.159
later tells me Uncle Rick that my
friend's parents think they hit a big foot.

540
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.440
So I don't know how, you
know, how how stepless they didn't

541
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.880
make it up, and the Creighton's
friend didn't make that up to him.

542
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.079
But again, that's that's all I've
got for you at the moment. Wild

543
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.639
And then finally, as far as
the Mount Saint Helen's country goes Mount Saint

544
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.920
Helens, Mount Adams as another gentleman, that's a prominent but it really stays

545
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.480
below the radar here gentleman by the
name of Joe b Lark. I was

546
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:36.280
like, he's gonna say b Lark. He totally is, because Oregon Big

547
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.199
for the Highway is such a good
book. Yeah, I actually haven't seen

548
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.960
it yet. I wanted I want
to get it, and uh, Cliff,

549
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.159
no, I've got no place to
a couple of places and get it.

550
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.119
But I want Joe to sign it
for me. Yeah, you got

551
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.880
personally as suppose because because because I
think Cliff has them signed by Joe,

552
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:52.719
but I don't want to get one
signed an honestly, I want Yeah,

553
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.039
I want to hold Joe's Handlin signs
the name thing for me. So so

554
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.239
anyway, that being said, I
haven't seen it, but so years ago,

555
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.119
and heck I'm looking now. Heck
this is back in six I guess,

556
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.880
so seventeen years ago. It doesn't
seem that long. But I've been

557
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.840
in communication some with Joe and Cliff
back then, and I'm not buddy buddy

558
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.960
with these guys, just random emails
back in the day. As I've met

559
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.280
them both on a couple of different
caations over the years. But yeah,

560
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.119
back in six, and it's probably
the winter of five early o six,

561
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:29.400
as an emailing with Joe might have
been before even facebooks because we're friends on

562
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.840
Facebook too. But Joe goes,
hey, is, how would you like

563
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.320
to be involved in a camp out? This is a scookm cast. You're

564
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.679
familiar scook and past cast and oh
yeah, so and how many again?

565
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.280
How many listeners are right now?
I don't know, but hopefully times yeah

566
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.920
time so and this is right after
so scookum cast must have been four or

567
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.840
five. Maybe I remember the exact
year, but it was prior to this,

568
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:58.320
so because I've dated here of June
of six, but uh, because

569
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.320
that's when I was up there.
We were up there. So so the

570
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.519
previous winner joees, hey, how'd
you like to be part of a bigfoot

571
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.079
camping? I'm so, oh cool. We'll give me your address, so

572
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.840
he So a couple of days later, I get this mailing you is a

573
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.000
pamphlet. It's an envelope about an
inch thick. What the heck did Joe

574
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.199
Bieler send us? And this was
like a disclaimer. It was on and

575
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.719
on and on, and what they're
trying to do is kind of create some

576
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.760
kind of habituation up near Scoop the
meadows for the summer, and they wanted

577
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.960
people to occupy the specific camp spot
throughout all summer long and in different groups

578
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.159
if you can commit two days,
three days, a whole week, whole

579
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.199
month, whatever. But they just
wanted to have a continual occupation of this

580
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.960
camp site. So that so once
I started reading this documentation, we had

581
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.400
two young boys then in a young
chocolate lab and I was reading. I

582
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:45.159
said, oh, craft, they
want to scope there. They want us

583
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.639
to go up there alone. That
does would be a big, big shindig

584
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.599
of five ten, fifteen twenty bigfoot
enthusiasts. Oh no, we got to

585
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.559
go up to Scoop them metals and
camp out by ourselves, kraft honey.

586
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.440
So we end up doing it and
had a great time. And actually,

587
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.320
actually I mentioned I've got some photos
since things there. But there's another gentleman.

588
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.599
Do you know Rick Nol that ring
a bell? Yeah, dude,

589
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.559
Well I don't. I've never met
Rick Nol, and I know how he's

590
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.760
involved with things. Yeah, totally. So so we go to Schook and

591
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.679
Metals, like I said, and
this was this would have been in the

592
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.760
winter that we were making these arrangements
to participate, so we picked as like

593
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.679
a four or five day window.
I came, took our trailer up and

594
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.239
had the physic spot to go camp
and all that gated road behind, had

595
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.280
my mountain bike, had the young
Lab chocolate lab, had my boys who

596
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.199
were so we're seventeen years ago,
so like seven and five, I guess.

597
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.599
And we fell farther around for a
couple days, went out, did

598
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.119
some wood knock and all that,
and right up behind our camp up a

599
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.079
login road. There's a lot of
old log in history up there. And

600
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.480
uh, right up behind camp you
go one hundred tw hundred yards up it's

601
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.679
gated and probably a hundred yards from
camp on the road. I'm off the

602
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:01.639
main forest road that we camped.
There's this there's there's this very rough copy

603
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.840
of a sign there with a rough
sketching. You have a bigfoot I guess

604
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.599
you want to call it, and
I can't share with you now, but

605
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:15.400
it's something that I've got right here, historical Bigfoot activity zone and underlined and

606
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.880
bold letters. Be aware. So
is that I go riding up behind camp?

607
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.480
Also this is yeah, this is
a sign there. She just had

608
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.400
to go give a wife and get
the kids come up and I took a

609
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.360
picture and all it is really pretty
cool. So knew we're going the right

610
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.400
We camp on the right spot anyway, So one of I think our last

611
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:40.679
morning there was a road that kind
of continued to the east fromy camp and

612
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:46.039
took the young lab out had to
go. We went out in the early

613
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.639
in the morning. Everyone's still crashed
out and we probably went about two miles

614
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.880
up. This is a good gravel
road. It right goes right up along

615
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.360
scook and meadows and a mile and
a half two miles. It's gated.

616
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.719
You know this is it's a seasonal
gate. It can open close. So

617
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.480
a dog and I go up there. Then we got up to a side

618
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.079
road and I'd love exploring again that
there's a lot of help sign up in

619
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.119
there. I just, you know, always thinking hunting. I don't I

620
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.159
don't love to kill there. I
love to hunt and pursue and be out

621
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:19.039
there. So we took this little
side gravel road and went up there little

622
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.000
ways half miles shown it's getting the
point where we're about ready to turn around.

623
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.280
The pup she's she's I don't know, she's five six seven months old,

624
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.199
just full of pee and vinegar and
energetic and bouncing all over her.

625
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.840
And so we've been gone an hour
or so hour and a half and go

626
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.920
up the side gravel road. It's
all flat. It's just kind of a

627
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.960
high valley scook and meadows there,
meadows and swampy stuff all around. And

628
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.639
to go up the side road and
uh, there's a little cut bank on

629
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.159
the right hand side of the road. As I'm as we're wandering through there,

630
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.199
I looked up on it and I
go, you've got to be crapping.

631
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.840
I didn't say crapping, you know, crap end up on the side

632
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.280
hill. This is cut bank,
maybe five or six feet tall. There

633
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:04.800
was this impress You couldn't see the
heel side of it so much, but

634
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:13.119
the upper front port part there's there's
an impression seventy inches wide with toe indentations

635
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.519
on it. One flat impression.
Walking this cut bank going up and I

636
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:22.679
got you so had my had my
phone with me. I think it was

637
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:23.440
a phone, might have been a
who knows, it could have been digital

638
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.920
camera. Probably was the digital camera. Put my foot next to it,

639
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.840
took a couple of pictures and all
and my young lad she's bouncing all over

640
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.119
the place. I'm getting a little
kick. I didn't bring a leash for

641
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:37.159
because nowhere didn't be leash. She
didn't get more than ten twenty feet for

642
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:38.360
me. But she's just jumping all
over, up and down my legs and

643
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.119
I'm afraid scared of this. She's
going to jump on this. And this

644
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.079
impression was it was like it was
on wet a wet substraight or you know,

645
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.800
wet kind of a hill and now
it's bone dry. It's again it's

646
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.039
probably in late June, and it
was pretty. It was not a fresh

647
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.440
fresh impression had been there for a
while, but it was soft enough that

648
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.760
this impression had been made there with
that looked like I e can count five

649
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:04.679
to was on and you just see
the forefront of it again. That just

650
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.880
kind of the the look, the
way the impression was. The backs.

651
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.199
I didn't leave a whole lot and
uh, I said, you gotta be

652
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.480
get me. This was like a
dang bigfoot track walking up this embankment one

653
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.559
step and then up on top of
the cut bank, and dog's bouncing all

654
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:22.639
over and trying to take a picture, and she's jumping around because all she

655
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.280
wants to do is love and play
and jump on you. So it took

656
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.920
a few pictures from my foot next
show. Then we bailed out of there

657
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.559
and meet our two to and a
half mile track back to the camp.

658
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.360
Told my wife about it, and
I had some cashing material, but it

659
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.920
was just far enough away, and
I questioned it. There were some things

660
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.360
about the track I wandered about,
and it's a lot. So got back

661
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.639
home that night. The following day
emailed Joe by Lart sent up a picture.

662
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.159
Was holy crap, says and I
had heard of Rick Noll's name.

663
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.280
I'd never met it before and didn't
hadn't heard a whole lot of It's one

664
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:59.159
of those guys again, kind of
another radar. So we made arrangements two

665
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.719
weeks later to meet Rick Nola and
this in the middle of the Gifford pinch

666
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.039
On National Forest. It's actually,
I mean, of all the time we'd

667
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.679
been up there, we'd seen like
two vehicles and four or five days of

668
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.159
camping up there. It doesn't get
a whole lot of traffic. So wife

669
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.119
and I went up there like on
a Thursday or Friday and met Rick up

670
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.320
there and and walked in there.
Well, there'd been some thunderstorms. So

671
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:24.599
it's that's summer thunderstorms up there.
And uh, And I told him I

672
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.880
was a little concern. Now he's
come from the Seattle area, and he

673
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:29.960
didn't seem to be as concerned.
I said, man, I know this.

674
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.039
We get some pretty good thunderstorms and
some pretty good showers out of him.

675
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.840
He didn't think he'd be an issue. Well, we make the stroll

676
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.039
back up in that area, and
again it said roughly walk. It's all

677
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.320
get like I said, it's all
good gravel, forest, roaders is gate.

678
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.519
And as we got back up in
there and in that in addition to

679
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.800
that, there's a lot of growth. There's some of the mountain looping.

680
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.000
It was a cool flowering plant,
some other stuff. Big for society.

681
00:44:52.000 --> 00:45:12.039
Who would be right back after these
messages. So as we got to that

682
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.400
cut, man, I guess I
can swear this where it was, and

683
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.199
you can maybe see a little impression
the little definition where I thought this might

684
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.159
have been it. And and Rick
was up there, he's walking around.

685
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.239
He walked up on the cut bank
and looked back in there and all that

686
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.159
he is telling us all his stuff
and tell us about some of the different

687
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:34.960
to us tracking methods that are kind
of cutting edge back then some different things

688
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:40.599
are playing with whatever. But again
it's just that what I saw the two

689
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.519
weeks previous, and I was there, we just could not find it well.

690
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.079
I took pictures of what I thought
was it, and as I came

691
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.159
back home compared the pictures. Yeah, we were the exact same location where

692
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.480
the impression was just the rain from
two weeks earlier. And again one of

693
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:57.199
the little plants are a little looping
and led from this to like five or

694
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.440
six inches, So it was the
same exact plant they'd grown the same thing

695
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.719
as just the thunderstorms. The summer
thunderstorms had just come. You know,

696
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.320
who knows you a half inch inch
or to a ragin and a short period

697
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.559
of time when that happens. So
we were right there, just there was

698
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.239
nothing for him to really see outside
of the photos i'd take a few weeks

699
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.719
ago. But I said, Joe
Bieler wasn't excited enough to send Rick Nol

700
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.079
up there to mute with it.
But just you know, summer thunderstorms kind

701
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:23.639
of and exactly what it was,
I don't know. I'll see you the

702
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.599
picture sometimes, but it's yeah,
that would be awesome, and you have

703
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.880
pictures of the sign too. Yeah, oh that would be so cool.

704
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.519
So is this after so they would
have been as Okay, the Scuogum cast

705
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:40.079
was cast in September of two thousand, Okay, so this is like a

706
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.039
few years after that. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I knew it was

707
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.519
after. I didn't just a little
bit of six years. Yeah. Yeah,

708
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:51.719
it's not tip bead. That's really
that's such an interesting story, Rick,

709
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.320
like wa anyway, so I had
to jump the Joe, the Joe

710
00:46:53.400 --> 00:47:00.480
Bieler name. That's awesome, dude, that's an amazing like talk about being

711
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.079
involved with Rick Noll and that for
Bigfoot history. That's really cool. Yeah,

712
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.920
he didn't just seem to be too
terribly impressed with it all, but

713
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.599
the fact that he just kind of
missed the boat by two weeks. And

714
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.880
again I don't know what I found
there, but yeah, when you see

715
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.679
the pictures, you might how how
close to the did you work? Were

716
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.559
you aware of where the sight of
the actually scuoku castro? Sure? I

717
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.760
think we were with in less than
a mile. I think was the road

718
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.199
slightly to the south of where we
were camp that we would have driven by

719
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.599
as we were close on it were. We were camped right next to Steek

720
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.360
the Meadows so sore that the where
that that cast was made was not in

721
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.519
Scook the Meadows is on off the
side of the road nearby. But now

722
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.920
I'm sing, I'm thinking we're where
we were camped. It was all trapped

723
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.760
triangulation wise. That's amazing. That's
such a cool, cool story. Yeah,

724
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.599
it was just kind of like I
said, it's Joe Bilart connects and

725
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.840
all said, Okay, that's cool. Joe worrying with Joe Bilart that he

726
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.800
says it's this thing, and we
got to camp by herself. We're not

727
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.159
part of a big camping. I
go, okay, great, whatever,

728
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:15.320
but we survived and I and I
may have found the track, so I've

729
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:16.880
got plenty more. Are you still
with me? I'm still with you,

730
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.800
dude. I mean, dude,
I've been doing this for five years.

731
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.519
I'm still all. That's how I'm
gonna switch regions now. All right,

732
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:30.119
this goes to the northeast Oregon,
southwest or southeast Washington, the weenaht Two

733
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.440
Cannon Wilderness area. This is Paul
Freeman Country and the Milk Creek Watershed.

734
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.119
And again I'll go as chronologically as
I can with this, most of this

735
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.760
pretty much. So. First of
all, the Mill Creek Watershed is uh

736
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:50.360
the watershed for the city of Walla, Walla and Paul Freeman, they've patrolled

737
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:55.639
it for for decades to people out
of the Mill Creek Watershed and uh to

738
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.119
water purity, you know whatever.
In Walla, wall it's not a huge

739
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.320
town. Mine means a scroung tremendously
in the less generation or so. But

740
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.599
they just protected it like crazy.
Yeah. Yeah, and Paul Freeman was

741
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.719
a what they they have water watershed
patrollers. So it's it's close to public

742
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.239
entry the watershed is and it's a
it's a hole. It's uh. They

743
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.199
give out elk tags in the straddles
Oregon Washington border. They give it at

744
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.920
elk tags, which are very highly
coveted elk tags because they just give out

745
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.079
a few. So the elk and
grow these the bulls and there grow big

746
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:29.639
mature because they're they're lightly hunted.
No one's in there bugging them all year.

747
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.159
You have like five or seven days
out of the year that they have

748
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.320
these hunts in there, and and
they're very difficult tags to get. They

749
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.280
just again they just allow a handful
of hunters in there, so it's just

750
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.960
a coveted tag. People sneak in
to poach because these big mature buwllelp they

751
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:50.599
hang out in there. And so
they've got these patrol riders that spot and

752
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.800
scopes. They ride horses to the
watershed. They patrol the boundary. That's

753
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.280
just big rugged country. You get
along the upper perimeter of this, the

754
00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.639
canyon drops off like that. It's
that's sixty seventy. I've always joke you

755
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.960
don't want to drop your bowling ball
out here because you'll never get it back

756
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.840
right. And it drops this canyons
drop two or three thousand feet deep.

757
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:12.119
It's just a big, beautiful country
and obviously what an ideal area for anything

758
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.920
to live and not be bothered.
So Paul Freeman was a one of the

759
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.840
watershed patroller work a force service employee
watershed patroller, and this is where he

760
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.679
had the siding while he was employed
by the Four Shops. See, he

761
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:23.800
may not have been on duty that
day, I don't call it exactly,

762
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.639
or a couple of times he's had
encounters or sidings whatever, But but I

763
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.920
fortunately I got to grow up so
where the watershed is on the cross roof.

764
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.599
From there is this big well.
Necessaria is one of the first wildness

765
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.440
areas in Oregon. Though we know
how to Cannon Wilderness. Once again,

766
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.480
no roads. It's open to public
enttry, but it's by trail only.

767
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.039
You can't take bikes in there.
You can't take a chain slot you can

768
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.239
you can you can hike it or
ride at bikes. And again, very

769
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.079
rugged country, beautiful, awesome country, and there's just a bunch of history

770
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:59.199
up there bigfoot so and I was
fortunately because that's where my dad was hunting

771
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.280
back in the day. He had
applied for that Milk Creek watershed tag and

772
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.079
about every ten twelve years he get
the tagged down in the Milk Creek watershed.

773
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.079
And my uncle had horses, and
if they weren't hunting in this watershed,

774
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.960
they were hunting over the in the
wilderness on horses. They packed in

775
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.159
eight or ten miles in the middle
of the wilderness. And said, I

776
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.480
was just fortunate being back in my
early days on I got to go hunting

777
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:22.960
this very remote Christine country in northeast
Oregon. So some friends of my grandparents,

778
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:30.320
Jeane and Zola Howard, and again
this is going back decades. The

779
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:31.960
watershed rider back and I'm looking,
this must have been in the seventies.

780
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.199
Is the guy by the name of
Red. And then this is this is

781
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.760
kind of a secondhand story from this
Gene and Zola that they told my dad

782
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.800
when he was younger than my dad
told me, but Jean would be in

783
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.280
the hot droughting, solo hounded.
But they knew Red the watershed rider from

784
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.719
Milk Creek Watershed. And this Red
told I'll kind of this is kind of

785
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.960
verbatim, I guess more or less. But this Red told Jean Morris,

786
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.400
he goes what he lives. He
lives there. This is in the Milk

787
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.440
Creek watershed, talking about big Quick. He lives there. We know each

788
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.360
other. Says, I don't bother
him, he doesn't bother me. Wow.

789
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:14.679
So that's coming from the seventies Milk
Creek watershed. Now that being said,

790
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.440
sidings up there a Milk Creek watershed
and then they can climb up out

791
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.360
of the watershed and cross the road
and be into these other world ins aerias,

792
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.760
big remote canyons and whatever. And
that's where there's been sidings back and

793
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.480
forth couple of years. Again,
the watershed is not open to the count

794
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.639
unless you're a watershed patrol rider your
accessing almost year round outside of the deep

795
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.920
snow winter months. So anyway,
yeah, that was that was That was

796
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.159
what redhead to say. What happened
to Red to make him say that,

797
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.679
like, that's all I yeah,
I mean you and again Jen as I

798
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.519
yeah, and and uh and this
Gen and Zol and again Geena Zola were

799
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.400
my grandparents' friends that lived up out
outside of Washed Sugar, Washington. Yeah,

800
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:53.079
and Gene I think was more than
Hunter. Hunter was my grandfather.

801
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:58.360
So yeah, what what caused or
created that? Can that conversation back in

802
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:04.800
the seventies between and Red the watershed
rider higher the idea because I'm going to

803
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.760
throw a couple other stories that you
have already counters and experiences in talking and

804
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:15.320
conversations with these most recent watershed patrollers. Oh okay, who will totally negate

805
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.880
anything you say about it, but
we'll get to those. So that's why

806
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.840
it was a good thing. We're
kind of doing this region by region.

807
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:22.679
So anyway, that was what I
Red had to say it we know each

808
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.760
other. I don't bother him as
a bother. Mean, later on in

809
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.280
nineteen seventy nine, roughly October seventy
nine, which would have made me fifteen.

810
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.000
And so my unkle again, my
unk lad horses. Him and my

811
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.679
father are hunting partners or hunting buddies. So we'd drive into this remote little

812
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.599
campground on the edge of the wilderness. Then we'd take horses in roughly eight

813
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.840
is eight to ten miles high.
Ridge is a get just tree, very

814
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.159
few people back there. You had
the whole you had a wilderness area.

815
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.760
But I wouldn't say to yourself because
Elkon was pretty popular back then. Anyone

816
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.519
could get a tag. But still
is just kind of uniye kind of experience.

817
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.159
And here I am a teenager getting
opportunity to go back in there.

818
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.559
So there's a canyon back in there, and I hesitate to name it,

819
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.039
so I won't because there's we have
another I have another story that kind of

820
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.800
follow along. But to get back
in the wilderness. One of the canyons.

821
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.719
We get back in there on this
long ridge and you had some canyons.

822
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.920
Then these canyes are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your

823
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.679
bowling ball back there. But my
father and I hunt it down in the

824
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:28.840
bottom of this one canyon one day
and as we were. And you don't

825
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.360
go in the bottom of these canyons
unless you really got it, because once

826
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:32.920
you get in the bottom, you
have to get your butt out back to

827
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.000
camp. It's it's not forgiving country. It's beautiful and I was a young

828
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.639
kid back then. I'd love to
go out there these days, just to

829
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.239
see it from my perspective and age
now, because I haven't been in there

830
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.880
in probably thirty plus years. But
anyway, this particular canyon, we get

831
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.880
in the bottom of it and again
we're l hunting, and as we're working

832
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.559
up the bottom, there's game trails
and stuff, and we're working at the

833
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.920
bottom, and all of sudden we
get to an area it's getting the mid

834
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.800
mid afternoon whatever weather's really nice for
this is late October too, when the

835
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.360
elk seasons are in the bottom,
and all of suddenly we get to a

836
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.519
spot we're going to start climbing back
out of the canyon. And I worked.

837
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.119
I'm talking good hour high can probably
closer to too, because this just

838
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.840
it's just a non stop grind climbing
up out of there, and we get

839
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.400
to point the bottom where all a
sudden, all the games sign Elk's sign

840
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.719
in particular, but there's there's all
kinds of other stuff from there too,

841
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.360
But all of a sudden, it's
just the trails just kind of even though

842
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.880
there's trails, and then there's just
like no sign and it became just dead

843
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.599
quiet. And I remember to this
day and my dad made the same comment

844
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:35.320
back then, it was just an
eerie and again, you're in you're in

845
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.920
the bottom of the canyon where the
bottoms, the walls on both sides are

846
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.639
going up. We're at the bottom
of this canyon. It just became just

847
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:45.719
an eerie feel down there. And
again this will play into another story here

848
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:52.719
in a bit. And Dad made
no birds, it's just no life.

849
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.199
Was just it was just kind of
an eerie, dead quiet, silent canyon

850
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.400
bottom and h and then we proceed
to climb out and that was it.

851
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.760
But I just remember that because it
was just I've never been so tuned in

852
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.199
to know, I think that something's
watching me or whatever, and whether it's

853
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.000
my wife or a big foot or
a cougar or whatever. I've never had

854
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.599
those senses, I don't think.
But we're in the bottom there and it's

855
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.440
just it was just weird. It
was just some weird, dead calm,

856
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.559
silent canyan bottom. So we climbed
out of there and that said, that's

857
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.639
really kind of the end of that. So a year later we're back in

858
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.679
that same country the end of October
night. This has been roughly I think

859
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:37.280
nineteen eighty and this canyon is probably
four or five six miles long, and

860
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.199
it's just kind of from the headwaters
where the drainage sharks. It just kind

861
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.199
of worked its way way way down
to the river. But we were up

862
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:47.920
at the upper end of the drainage
on a pack trail and we're hiking out

863
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.840
one day and we got to the
the head and we had a breeze kind

864
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.599
of coming up that drainage, and
we had a section there where we had

865
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:04.760
like an ungodly and it was midday, the thermals and all that, the

866
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.320
air starting to get warm up,
is warming up and rizon but is it's

867
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.440
working its way up that drainage.
We're going through a little patch of tamber,

868
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.920
some open hill side, and we
got to a section there where it

869
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:21.880
just it was just a deathly stink, gain stench. There's elk hunters in

870
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:23.440
there. Someone could have killed an
elk down in that little patch of timber

871
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.239
below us a couple of hundred yards, and in a couple of days later

872
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.880
they guts and whatever might have been
getting rotten, And it might have been,

873
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:36.199
but it might have been just working
its way up with that afternoon breeze

874
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.039
or whatever. I don't know,
but I just always remember that stench coming

875
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:44.599
out of the same canyon that we
had this little eerie experience down deeper the

876
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.639
previous year. So what it was
we smiled on. And the thing is

877
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.679
is we walked, We went through
about a fifty yard maybe one hundred yard

878
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:52.800
section of this trail, and all
of a sudden we're out of the So

879
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:57.360
we were within the cone of whatever
is caught the cost of this odor.

880
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:00.360
We just kind of went to the
cone and walked through it within a minut

881
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:01.800
or two and then you're out of
it. But it was just kind of

882
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.840
it was just kind of stomach for
smell. It very easily could have been

883
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:08.719
an elk that some wanted harvest down
there and plane and then we're just smelling

884
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.239
what left because the body parts don't
think smell real good if they've been sitting

885
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.039
out in the cuner now aging for
a couple years, especially through outside your

886
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:22.880
body so so so. Yeah,
just the statch, the strong smell at

887
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:27.400
the head of that canyon. Roughly
ten years later, we're hunting the same

888
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:35.639
general area in the wilderness and uh, my dad heard tree knocking. You

889
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:37.360
know, we'd split up. He
was on a side canyon. So this

890
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:45.400
is roughly October again elk season of
nineteen ninety and it's just a continual He

891
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:47.679
and I were separated by a mile
tare. I think i'd made a hunt

892
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.639
around into another canyon, working my
way back up to where i'd meet him.

893
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.280
And he's on this little side canyon, kind of brushed toy, little

894
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.960
timbered canyon. Again, it's all
wildhems area, and I heard chopping.

895
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.480
He said, it sound like someone
cutting wood. Just con chop, chop,

896
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.719
chop, and it was off and
on. It was kind of I

897
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.440
don't remember if there's a cadence to
it or whatever, and but it was

898
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.599
a wood knocking type of sound.
And it was at an area there was

899
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:16.880
anyone camped or cutting firewood. And
I think righty forgot to my dad.

900
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.320
He was as he's working his way
kind of up into this drainage, this

901
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:23.920
timbered drainage, he saw a bowl
elk down. They're kind of coming from

902
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:29.519
the same area where the chopping sand
was coming from. But elk elk.

903
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.519
When they they do bang trees with
their antlers, especially, not any bulls

904
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.639
do. They knocked the velvet off
late in the summer during the route,

905
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.079
when they're in the rating season September
early October, they will they will rake

906
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:43.599
trees and all that, but they
don't chop. You don't chop chop.

907
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:50.159
They they they scraped and rabble their
antlers like crazy. So so this this

908
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.119
sound is chopping went on for quite
a while at You know, whenever you

909
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:57.400
hear about wood knocking, you don't
hear about the repetitive knocking for hour an

910
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.639
hour or so. So it's just
we heard he heard wood knocking. That

911
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.719
lasted like off and on for an
hour. Big for society. Who would

912
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:23.559
be right back after these messages that
we know to canalos again, what the

913
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:27.000
answer was could have been that bull
elk, But that doesn't make a lot

914
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.320
of sense. That's not typically the
kind of knocking they do with their antlers

915
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:35.800
on wood. But again, coming
all out of that same that same country

916
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:44.079
and smells and feelings and sensations and
then knocking, it's very weird. Yeah,

917
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.000
all of that same area over ten
years. Yeah, well, and

918
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:52.800
for for decades prior to and obviously
decades after, there's been you know,

919
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.480
sightings and stories encounters coming out of
there. So I just say again,

920
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:59.119
there's a piece of the puzzle,
like, yeah, I don't have a

921
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:04.760
specific answer for them, but I
do have actually a little better answer kind

922
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.800
of plays into all that. So
it was right around It might have been

923
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:12.280
that same year. It might have
been a year after we were hunting deer

924
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:17.960
in southeast Oregon. Real I've seen
my picture of Kolomen and now out that

925
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.239
you've seen in the last so it's
not that big deal. There's a highly

926
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:27.000
coveted deer tag in southeast organ called
the Trout Creek Mountains Rifle deer Tag.

927
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.639
Takes about twelve to fifteen years aget. It's all high desert. It's five

928
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.719
six seven eight thousand foot desert country, aspens and all that stuff. Not

929
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:36.119
Bigfoot country, even though it's near
the jar Bridge in Nevada, which has

930
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.840
some history as well. But but
the thing is is an ironic meeting.

931
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:45.400
Again, this is right around the
same time. So Dad and I are

932
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.679
down there hunting. You know,
it was either it was around eighty nine

933
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.400
to ninety ninety one. Again,
it would probably been early October, where

934
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.280
Elp seasons are late October. The
deer seasons are typically like the first week

935
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:58.719
of October. And we're driving around. It gets to be midday, it's

936
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:00.599
it's getting pretty hot out over and
all of a sudden, I can't remember

937
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.159
this, this rigulars park there and
we drove up on them, or we

938
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.039
were parking there, drove on this
here, and all of a sudden,

939
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.280
well here pops out these two good
old, good old boys. And then

940
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.199
I'm talking head. We're talking thirty
three thirty three years ago. We're out

941
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.239
a couple of good old boys.
Well, we start talking with them.

942
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.280
Then they live up in the Pendleton
Milton Freewater area, which is right up

943
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.239
there on the edge of the Blue
Mountains, which is the Milk Creek watershed.

944
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.960
We had on two cannon wilbiness.
So we start chit chatting with them

945
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.880
and find out their cattle. They're
their ranchers, I remember their cattle rashers

946
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:37.280
or wheat ranchers or what. So
they start talking about that that country up

947
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.719
there and they hunt up in that
country. My dad goes and as they're

948
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.119
saying the story. I go,
hell, so my dad five's in goes,

949
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.000
well, that's where he hunts and
been hunting up there for thirty years

950
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:50.280
in the wildness. So I remember
this one almost verbaede him as well.

951
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.000
So all of a sudden, one
of those cowboys and these guys, so

952
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:55.199
thirty three years ago, my dad
would have been in this mid fifties.

953
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.760
These guys are probably the seventy ish
and and all of a sudden, one

954
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:02.400
of the guys kind of stops it, kind of tilts his head and asks,

955
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:06.960
my dad, did you ever see
anything in there? And so my

956
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:09.559
dad kind of caught me off guard, this old cowboys saying this when we're

957
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.280
out in the high desert of southeast
Oregon, we're two hundred miles from the

958
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.840
Dayfoot country, And he just kind
of stepped forward, you ever see anything

959
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:21.960
in there weird or something? And
my dad kind of takes a second and

960
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:23.679
goes, I mean Bigfoot. And
again, my dad's not a believer by

961
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:29.039
any means, but just how he
even responded that way, I expect he

962
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.719
probably would, especially with a question
like that being asked. Yeah, And

963
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.119
so the guy goes on to tell
us and they talk. They know Paul

964
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.320
Freeman, both these ranchers. He's
done some work with the ranches over the

965
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.400
years. Is just kind of a
big, old, easy going, happy

966
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:45.000
go like a guy. And said
that they had been approached back in those

967
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.440
days by some researchers of some sort
I don't remember specific. I mean they

968
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.679
were bigfoot research. About what their
credentials were I don't recall. But so

969
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:57.360
I can't remember both the cowboys or
one of them had, but they had

970
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.119
contact or they had been in touch
with these cow boys there. This cowboy

971
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.440
slash cowboys wanted them to take these
researchers into them. We know how to

972
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:10.079
canon wilderness. So one of the
cowboys did take them in and took them

973
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.000
into the canyon I was referring to
earlier where I had this weird, this

974
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.760
weird eery sensation, my dad and
I where I heard the smell, the

975
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.840
stench. The year later, they
they took these researcher guys into the bottom

976
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:27.679
of that canyon. Coincidentally, and
then and I remember, this is this

977
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.159
is the word for word thing.
The cowboy looks at my dad says,

978
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:38.159
as sure as I'm standing here,
that thing exists. Wow, So this

979
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.880
is just like I said, some
seventy year old cowboy dude from the Blue

980
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.280
Mountains that we meet in the high
desert of Oregon that has taken researches into

981
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.400
the bottom of this canyon in the
wilderness, and as sure as I'm standing

982
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:56.880
here, that thing exists. So
probably one of the more interesting stories I've

983
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.440
got. They said they found tracks
that looked like family three, a large

984
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.199
track, a smaller track, and
then a small one. They said it

985
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:06.639
looked like the small one and the
big one got into a major battle ground

986
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:13.000
torn the heck just rotor Tilda.
But I also remember the cowboys saying there

987
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.199
was there was poop feces there,
and he goes for some reason, those

988
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:21.639
researchers didn't take a sample. Man, I this is this is crazy,

989
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:27.000
Rick, because I'm like, this
is where I know someone in the comment

990
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.159
is going to be like, come
on, Jeremiah, that was totally this

991
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.719
researcher in this reason put it in
the comments so I can know. And

992
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.880
again I'm talking this was right around
nineteen ninety, so we're talking obviously a

993
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.039
while back, and when that experience
or encounter happened where this cowboy took these

994
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.639
researchers in to the way out to
Canadallerness let the bottom of the canyon.

995
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:51.400
I don't know how far previously,
and I can't remember when when, let

996
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:55.840
me see, Paul Freeman had his
siding or his first encounter at least like

997
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.800
an eighty three ish, I think, yeah, well it was your couzy

998
01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:02.239
was June eighty two, Okay,
year a walla while, yeah, so

999
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:06.039
pretty much. Yeah so and I'll
get to that too, because I've camped

1000
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:09.679
at t Dutch Springs many of times. So but anyway, they said,

1001
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.199
this is just this random encounter.
We meet a couple of old culture cowboys

1002
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.840
out in the night desert and it
ends up as sure as I stand in

1003
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:20.360
here, that thing exists. That's
amazing. Yeah, so wow, and

1004
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.519
that's I mean, I worked for
word. I remember that the ethics,

1005
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.760
So now who the guys were.
And then the conversation swayed from there and

1006
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.880
then they had deer tags that took
him ten twelve, fifteen years A yeah,

1007
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:31.880
we had deer tags took us equally
as long. And then hey,

1008
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.840
guys, that's the luck. And
that was basically the end of our conversation

1009
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:47.159
meetings. So that's an incredible.
Yeah, so so fast forward. I

1010
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:53.840
had a special elk tag up in
that country a couple of times now,

1011
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.960
probably ten years ago, eleven years
ago, and we met a couple that

1012
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.880
live up up Milk Creek. So
you have the Mill Creek watershed where it

1013
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.920
comes out of the watershed area that's
close to public entry. It drains,

1014
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:09.599
I don't know, it runs fifteen
miles until it hits the Walla Walla River

1015
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.239
near the Tannel Walla Wall. I
think hits Walla Walla River. It could

1016
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.440
be Two Ship River too, but
Mill Creek as a leak comes out of

1017
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.159
as you leave the Tannel Walla Wall
and start heading up into the foothills of

1018
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.880
the Blue Mountains, it wanders.
It goes along the Washington side, then

1019
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:27.400
it kind of winds up into winds
down into Oregon, then curls back up

1020
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.639
into the watershed. And we met
a couple. I won't go on all

1021
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.159
the details how we met him,
but that lived right on Mill Creek,

1022
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:39.239
probably within five miles of the watershed, and they live right on the creek.

1023
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:42.239
We had a mutual friends who are
so random it's kind of silly.

1024
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.880
And we're sitting on this cool little
Creek and early fall ten years ago,

1025
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.800
eating watermelon, had a bear or
two, and this topic big Foot comes

1026
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:53.360
up because they live. He's a
dirt bike rider. He's got buddies at

1027
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:57.280
dirt bike and they ride their quads
all around the on the roads between the

1028
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.719
watershed and the wilders. Huh,
Wendy and Mark and wend eat so so

1029
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.440
uh. One evening we're down to
their house along Milk Creek and it's a

1030
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:10.079
warm evening and I said, it's
probably it's probably early to mid September now,

1031
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.400
so it's not too late in the
year, but nice are getting cold.

1032
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.599
The days are getting of warm still, and the topic of big Foot

1033
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:21.000
comes up. And Mark, who
owned a local motorcycle dealership in Walla,

1034
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:26.960
Wallat and his wife silly and goofy
neat yal. He doesn't he's not a

1035
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.000
believer. She's a believer. Now
again, we're talking this roughly ten years

1036
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.319
ago, so Mark, Mark is
not a believer. But he told us

1037
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:39.039
a story. And they've got they've
got a couple of acres. The the

1038
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.960
gravel road that goes up Mill Creek
and go take you up into the forest

1039
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:46.760
splits their property. So their house
is on one side, were along the

1040
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:49.960
creek side, then across the proper. They've got an acre or too.

1041
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.439
He's got some big boulders and some
mumpsy right, his dirtis and does all

1042
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.640
kinds of crazy stuff there. So
he said a number of years early,

1043
01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:59.920
and I can't remember how how many
years earlier they were out there one evening,

1044
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.720
early two thousands. And it's kind
of brushy and timber. And as

1045
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.199
you get up across the creek across
the property, it starts the hill climbs

1046
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.920
up, just probably goes one and
fifteen hundred feet up. It's all south

1047
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.000
face of the slope and slow inough
elevation. It's all pretty much open grassy

1048
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:16.640
hillside for the most part. You
get the sun hits it. It's hot

1049
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.399
and dry in that part of the
state, especially during the summers, and

1050
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:25.159
there's little brushy drainages and draws that
come down. But down along the lower

1051
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.159
part there's quite a bit of timber. So again this is mark. The

1052
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:32.239
husband is not a believer, he
says in the evening, And again I

1053
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.960
don't have a ton of specifics on
it. Again, roughly early two thousands,

1054
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:40.520
a deer came running down off the
hill through the trees and comes flying

1055
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:45.640
right by them, and he runs
across their property and they look up in

1056
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.640
the trees where the deer came from, and it's just to the north.

1057
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:55.920
They caught a glimpse of what looked
like a chimpanzee. And that's again as

1058
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.560
I'm looking and says he's not a
believer, but to this day he questions

1059
01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.800
what they saw. And I can't
reme wife Wendy saw the same thing or

1060
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.600
not, But I said, wife, Wendy's a believer. He's not,

1061
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:08.520
but he's he told me that one
story. This deer comes flying across.

1062
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:10.640
There's a lot of deer down.
There's a lot of white tailed deer in

1063
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.920
the lower elevations. You got mulder
up higher, most likely as a white

1064
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.119
tail. Who knows. But the
team came just flying across and they look

1065
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:24.079
up where it came from, and
it looks like a chimpanzee. Small some

1066
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:29.000
fat is really weird and he's not
a believer, but he saw a chimpanzee.

1067
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:36.840
Wow, Rick Island a couple more
than I'm gonna move on to local

1068
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.119
stuff. You still with me,
I'm stude, I'm still here. I'm

1069
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.000
here, man, I'm just where
as I like sharing this stuff. It's

1070
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.680
pretty cool. This is the stuff
he can't find in books, and it

1071
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.880
is time if I love I don't
think he can find it in books,

1072
01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:51.760
right, cool it? No?
No, definitely not only only only big

1073
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.319
book, only book. Ever,
it's called nix Sel spreadsheet. Hey,

1074
01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:00.560
there you go with this stuff.
So up in that same country, this

1075
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.680
is one personal experience. Uh,
it's cool. A little lake up there

1076
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:09.279
called Jubilee Lake, and we went
camping up there. This is oh wait,

1077
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:15.359
July fifth, oh wait, and
my wife actually came across some pictures

1078
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.279
we were looking at today. So
my are my I keep saying, my

1079
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:25.279
boys are boys sixteen fifteen years ago, so nine years old and seven roughly.

1080
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.720
We went out one morning. We
had twenty two rifles and went out

1081
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:31.520
just just target shoot now and they're
getting young. I want them to every

1082
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:35.279
little experience you can of being in
the outdoors and going shoot twenty two.

1083
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:40.560
It's kind of to ride a passage. So we went south to Jubilee Lake

1084
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:45.159
a couple of miles and again this
this whole area up there, from Jubilee

1085
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:47.119
to Deduct and the whole Blue Mountains
has a ton of history. We go

1086
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:51.319
out and there's a place I can't
remember us called Big Sink or something like

1087
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:55.079
that. A couple of drainages increase
it come off and they kind of head

1088
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:57.960
off the backside of the Blue Mountains, the east side of the Blue Mountains,

1089
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:00.479
heading towards the town of Elgin,
so kind of a general area.

1090
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.680
And how many people even know that
there, I don't know. But we

1091
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:10.079
go out mid morning eleven ish or
so and go out just the plink twenty

1092
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:13.279
two is for half hour so and
leave mom at camp and so she can

1093
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:15.720
babysit the dog. I'm in do
wall with us or not? So we

1094
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.880
go at me and gravel roads south
of Jubilee Lake head to the east a

1095
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.399
little bit of mile or two and
found a little logging road that was closed

1096
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.119
off. We drove like fifty yards
down. It's gated off, which is

1097
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:29.960
fine, and I can't remember we
put some targets out there. So behind

1098
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.960
us on the to the north is
a big timbered patch hasn't been logged and

1099
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:39.840
in sizeable little creek crane is coming
through. And again this is this is

1100
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.279
even though it's something I experience or
we experis is very anecdotically, have no

1101
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.119
idea so we go out there and
start shooting the twenty twos. Plink plink

1102
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:50.520
plink. Boys didn't know anything.
And there's again the heat of the day,

1103
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:54.640
start to warm up, a little
high mountain breeze, and there's squirrels

1104
01:12:54.680 --> 01:13:00.399
and chipmunks and there's birds playing around. But after I heard the first one,

1105
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:05.960
it caught my attention. I didn't
at first, but yeah, yeah,

1106
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:12.880
my dog's getting all excited outside.
And now there's birds that can make

1107
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:18.319
a whooping noise. I don't know
exactly what birds they are, just they

1108
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:20.640
said that this started when we started
clinking the twenty twos, and it was

1109
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.199
it was. It was way off
to the north, one hundred yards away,

1110
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.640
coming from that big patch of timber. And then then I got a

1111
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:32.359
second series of three or four whoops. And again midday, mid morning at

1112
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:38.560
lieutenish eleven o'clock or whatever. So
again I just I heard whoops, and

1113
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:40.720
the boys, whether they heard them
or not, I can't remember if I

1114
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.239
even pointed him out. Then I
think I heard two series of three or

1115
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:46.359
four whoops each and that was it
but for the archives, so I just

1116
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.520
made note of it. But I
heard whoops. It could have been a

1117
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:54.800
bird and it could not have been
not saying what it was or was what

1118
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.680
it wasn't. But up in that
part of the world, you just have

1119
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.399
to I said, I just I
just documented make notes a night. Now

1120
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:08.439
move on. So Mill Creek Watershed, which again is close up public entry

1121
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.159
for all but like seven days out
of the year for all hunters, it's

1122
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:16.640
outside of the wilderness riders they're the
wilderness patrol. I kill it though.

1123
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:23.479
Yeah. So back in nineteen ninety
six, my father and I had the

1124
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.319
elk tag for the Milk Creek Watershed. Again, this is a high they

1125
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.039
committed tag. It takes ten,
twelve, fifteen years to get the darn

1126
01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:33.039
thing. And uh the watershed rider
gal then her name was Rowena and she

1127
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.960
had been She had worked for outfitters
and guides for most of her life,

1128
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:40.960
so she was she was a horse
gal. She was an outdoorsy, she

1129
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.159
guided, she can't cook, she
did all kind of stuff, and she

1130
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.479
was if I didn't get lost in
the woods or needed to be defended the

1131
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.399
woods. This this is the gal
I wanted to be there. She was

1132
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:54.600
the rough and tumble gal didn't take
crap and her my dad or her my

1133
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:56.760
father got along grade. They just
chit chatted. We talked with her a

1134
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:01.840
couple of times, and I just
remember my dad bringing up the topic because

1135
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:06.840
my dad's always been interested in the
topic in Bigfoot. He's not, i

1136
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:12.840
said, not a believer by any
reads not says doesn't believe, but he

1137
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.199
doesn't really believe, but he brought
up topic. My dad will bring up

1138
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:16.760
a million topics during a conversation,
but he brought it up with the throwing.

1139
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:18.760
And again, I think I'm going
back to about nineteen ninety six,

1140
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:23.640
and she just and and she's because
there's there's a couple of pack trails that

1141
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:27.520
go up through the wilderness or excuse
me, through that watershed big for society,

1142
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:45.520
who will be right back after these
messages. Again, there's no public

1143
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.640
access or entry outside of the one
week out of the year. Sure,

1144
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.800
and over the course of time,
a lot of those trails, there's three

1145
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.079
or four of them, They go
up a couple of creek bottoms and then

1146
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:59.439
up on the ridges. And this
is what Growing and the other watershed patrollers

1147
01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:01.239
have used over the years, just
riding through the watershed. But for all

1148
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.760
intentsive purposes, they should never encounter
anyone there and that's her mean purpose is

1149
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:09.560
to keep people out of the watershed, so they typically patrolled the perimeter of

1150
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:13.319
the watershed. I suppose the part
of it that she'd ride the trails.

1151
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.000
She loved ridding horses, so she'd
ride those trails often enough. But there's

1152
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.680
a lot there's no real maintenance up
there, so in the winters are rough

1153
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:25.560
and brutal, and just the nature
of the mountains, trees fall down,

1154
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.720
downfalls, brush grows up and all
that, so some of those trees have

1155
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.920
slowly just disappear over time. So
I think she just had a couple of

1156
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.680
trails she did like to ride,
and then the rest of the time is

1157
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:38.800
just driving vehicles up around the perimeter
of the higher elevations and just making sure

1158
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:42.319
that trying to keep making sure people
just aren't stinking the watershed border a purpose

1159
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.560
or reason. But anyway, my
dad didn't bring up the topic with her,

1160
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.279
and she's yeah, she was adamant. Now then going back to my

1161
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.960
conversation or my story earlier about Red
the patrol rider back in the seventies,

1162
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.439
Yeah, you know each other,
and I don't bother him, he doesn't

1163
01:16:56.439 --> 01:17:00.000
bother me. So Rowena says here
that I've she's been patrolling at that point

1164
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.880
in ninety six, she's been in
patrolling. I think she was down there

1165
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:05.039
her last year or two prior to
retirement at that point, and she's been

1166
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.159
patrolling for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
years. I've never seen anything that was

1167
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:15.399
her story. So now there's a
Hispanic gentleman. I can't remember his name.

1168
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.960
I've talked with him a couple of
times and actually encountered him last last

1169
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:25.399
year and end of August. Big
guy. Uh. He takes his job

1170
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:30.640
extremely seriously because also he is a
floor and service she's a four service employee.

1171
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.800
And some of the roads around there, you can't have a TV side

1172
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:38.880
by sides dirt bis unless there's pre
legal and licensed, and he's he enforces

1173
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.000
that lot of the tea. So
he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping

1174
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.319
people out of the watershed, he
does actually patrol some of the adjacent forest

1175
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.399
roads up there. He had a
lot of people up there with some dirtbike

1176
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:50.319
trails that are real popular, but
you can only stand on those trails.

1177
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:57.079
So anyway, I said, I
ran into him last yek Hit chatted about

1178
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:00.279
previously about eight years earlier. We
had another tag up there, my my

1179
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.000
wife and father and I maybe the
kids are with us. I can't recall

1180
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:09.000
I met the gentleman. I can't
remember his name now. And again there's

1181
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:13.680
a neat guy, very adamant about
his position, his job. But eight

1182
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.600
years ago, and once again,
my dad throws at the bigfoot topic at

1183
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:23.119
him like you did Rowena the gall
patroller, you know, ten to fifteen

1184
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:27.960
years earlier, that bigfoot. Interesting
thing about this hispanic gentleman, he's adamant

1185
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.359
it doesn't exist. But he starts
throwing stuff out there. He starts throwing

1186
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:35.720
out details that only those that really
followed research the subject would know. They've

1187
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:40.079
never found a bone, never found
bones, There's never been a body.

1188
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:44.560
Oh sure, Yeah, he starts
throwing more out there that a naysayer or

1189
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:48.239
someone in denial or protecting would throw
out there. He knew a lot more

1190
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:51.880
about the topic than I've never seen
one. It was just interesting. Oh

1191
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.399
yes, his dad is talking to
him this, Yeah, he saw it

1192
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:58.760
in there is they never found bones, never found the body, And he

1193
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:00.680
threw some other things out there is
how you even know they haven't unless you've

1194
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.600
actually researched the subject. And again
this Rowen and this gentleman are in the

1195
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:12.119
same position that Paul Freeman had right
with Jolin Milk Creek Watershed so and read

1196
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:18.119
from nineteen seventy So I never met
Paul Freeman read I never met but these

1197
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:21.239
last two, so Rowena wrote,
is riding her horses through well and it's

1198
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:30.359
on the watershed on trails that don't
see people theoretically ever, so she has

1199
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.079
a Milkreek watershed to herself. And
this gentleman here, I don't think he's

1200
01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:38.439
a horse guy's as much as he
has probably a driving his truck around the

1201
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:42.039
perimeter, up the perimeters, but
he's through stuff out there. If he

1202
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.000
doesn't exist and you have no interest
or knowledge that he didn't say he had

1203
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:46.840
no interest in knowledge, but from
the way his response is he had an

1204
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:50.720
interest and knowledge in the topic.
So uh, and maybe he never has

1205
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:55.640
seen or anything. But anyways,
just it was interesting his response that doesn't

1206
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:00.560
exist up in there because they've never
found bones, there's no pictures, on

1207
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.439
and on. So it was just
an interesting response from a patrol, uh

1208
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:08.439
watershed patrol. And then maybe maybe
he's maybe I said, maybe he's being

1209
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:11.800
honest, he has never seen anything
and and here's the reasons why, because

1210
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:15.199
he doesn't exist, because there are
no bones or pictures or bodies. So

1211
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:19.119
last story on this and then yeah, this is my own experience. It

1212
01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:24.680
is just weird. So I had
that elk tag at Archery ol tag this

1213
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:30.199
last summer and just had a weird
thing. This is outside the watershed Mi

1214
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:31.880
Creek watershed. It's outside the way
on to come the Cannon wullness, but

1215
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:36.239
it's adjacent drainage. Is again a
very difficult tad to get. They don't

1216
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:39.640
give out a lot of tags.
Have the whole world yourself, really,

1217
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:43.680
and it's just neat remote country.
I'm at the bottom of this one canyon.

1218
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:45.920
It's not a real deep canyon,
open timber. You can see for

1219
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:49.319
shoot, one hundred hundred fifty yards, big trees, a little bit of

1220
01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:53.399
brush from downfalls, but just open
country. And I had elk in their

1221
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:58.560
bugling. I was getting tours and
all that, and and there's some other

1222
01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.760
hunters in that unit, but I
hadn't seen the vehicles or anyone that where

1223
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:05.439
I was going into this drop of
this little side canyon. The road drives

1224
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:09.760
goes right along the ridge next to
it. So not overly remote, but

1225
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:13.479
still just a lot of country.
I get down the bottom. It's getting

1226
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.399
late afternoon, said right now,
it's what almost seven o'clock here is probably

1227
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.760
right at the same time, last
hour or two of daylight. Get down

1228
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:23.079
there. I've got some milk bugle
and all that stuff, and I'm walking

1229
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.520
down. I got down there,
I had to hike from like from where

1230
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.840
I parked up high was probably about
a twenty minute hike. And the guess

1231
01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:31.960
gets down this big open or open
timbered flats shoot four or five of yards

1232
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.439
across, and I can see real
well, and I'm walking through the timber,

1233
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:45.199
and all of a sudden I hear
this deep, deep voice seven And

1234
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.720
as someone said the number seven,
and I stopped. I thought, crap,

1235
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:50.680
is there someone else down here?
Because there's a bull elk bugle and

1236
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:54.239
this is what we're all hunting for. Did I stumble on some hunters in

1237
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:59.319
here? And right where the noise
came from to my kind of from front

1238
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:00.800
of me to the left, fifty
seventy five yards, it seemed, I

1239
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.760
mean, I couldn't see the whole
thing for us. It's a big open

1240
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.359
timber. There's no one there.
Well, if there's hunters down there,

1241
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.720
It was a human voice, but
a very deep, deep, guttural,

1242
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:14.680
throaty voice. Seven. I stop. I go, well, I'm backing

1243
01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:15.560
out of this. There's other hunters
down here. I'm not going to go

1244
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.600
infringe on them. If they're working
these elk that are down here bugling and

1245
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:24.000
calling us, I don't I don't
need any conflict if they're already down here.

1246
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:26.479
So I stopped, and I sat
down for about five or ten minutes,

1247
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:32.079
and the voice I heard that the
seven should have been within my view,

1248
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:36.399
as my light a sight, as
open timber, little clumps of brush

1249
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:40.520
in there. There's nothing that would
hide anyone. I mean, they could

1250
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:42.960
be behind a tree, you'd out
of sight, whatever. But I say

1251
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.600
there for about five or ten minutes
and there's no one there. So that

1252
01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.159
was just weird. So I thought, well, I'm gonna start walking very

1253
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.760
cautiously, and maybe someone is there. Maybe they're sitting there waiting and maybe

1254
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.119
they saw me, maybe they didn't, Maybe they're so focused on these elk

1255
01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:00.680
that are a couple hundred years voice
premium and bugle into the timber out further

1256
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:02.119
than the flat, towards where the
creek is in the bottom. And I

1257
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:05.039
start walking and there's been a lot
elk in Theresho's really good game trails,

1258
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:09.920
even though it's there's downfalls and it's
dry bone dry, snappy, crunchy.

1259
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:13.079
So I started walking real slowly because
if there's owns there, says I.

1260
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.960
Just I heard you say seven.
I don't know why you said the number

1261
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:21.079
seven. And but if there's hunters
there is, okay, then I'll get

1262
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.039
out of your hair. I'm not
to come in friends, but I started

1263
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:26.279
walking. I'm looking. I've been
there, I said, been five or

1264
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:30.439
ten minutes. I never saw a
soul, and why I didn't hear in

1265
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:35.119
my head that I heard some I
heard a deep voice say seven, and

1266
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:39.840
very very very like there's a deep
lady. That's some weird stuff, man.

1267
01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:45.720
Yeah, and I'm a realist,
man, that's just that's I can't

1268
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:49.399
explain it. But once again,
just something something notes for the archives.

1269
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:53.960
Okay, Can I get on the
chapter three? Final chapter? Heck yes,

1270
01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:58.279
right? My my local neighborhood,
Maulthood mount Hood and the Northern Orton

1271
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:04.319
Cascades several again, the same thing. It's just friends, acquaintances whatever.

1272
01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:09.560
So I mentioned a little bit ago
about these twin brothers good friends of mine,

1273
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.439
Robin Dennis will call them, and
that's what their wives call them to.

1274
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:20.079
They grew up in Esticada, which
is the Clacmus River, which is

1275
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:25.319
the big highway that Joe wrote his
book about. And they grew up in

1276
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:28.359
a little community of Escicada, which
is growing like crazy now. But they

1277
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.439
lived a few miles south of the
excusely west of Esticada, and there's a

1278
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:35.840
main highway that goes from the Portland
metro area of Milwaukee Clackness out to Esticada.

1279
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:44.600
And they lived about a mile off
the highway down in, down In,

1280
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:49.600
right along the Columbia River and a
little bit of kind of he referred

1281
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.439
to as Hpie Commune. His dad
was a Vietnam that mom just salts of

1282
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.239
the earth, neat gal And they
just lived in this little communal neighborhood off

1283
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:02.600
the highway. And again we're talking
now in this seventies, probably early eighties,

1284
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.199
and lived in this I can't remember
the name of the neighborhood, but

1285
01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:10.439
ten fifteen homes where you go out
across the flate and kind of drop down

1286
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:15.520
to the level of the the Clackmus
River down there. So one brother Dennis,

1287
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.359
and again this is as I look
at my notes here. Mid seventies,

1288
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:25.000
they had a yellow lab named Mood
and again the bus would drop them

1289
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:28.560
up on the highway, so they
had like a mile walk to home and

1290
01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:31.279
there they're out the cuttry the they're
mountain kids and all that, and no

1291
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.039
one it wasn't that big a deal
back then. Your kids walked the mile

1292
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.720
to the bus stop in the morning, they walked a mile home down when

1293
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:41.239
bus drop them off in the afternoon. So for some reason it was just

1294
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:43.039
one of them, was just Dennis. Rob wasn't with them. I don't

1295
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:47.000
remember this whole reason why. But
so but every time every day in the

1296
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:49.600
afternoon, I guess Moon, their
yellow lab, would walk them to the

1297
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:54.319
bus in the morning and go home. Then Moon would go to go the

1298
01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.119
mile jaunt up to the highway and
be there waiting for the boys to get

1299
01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:01.079
off the bus in the afternoon after
school. So Dennis gets off the bus

1300
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:04.199
one afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting
for him, and it probably got a

1301
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:08.640
roughly a half mile across some flat, open pastory stuff on the road just

1302
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:14.079
kind of starts winding down to the
Clackmus River bottom three four five hundred foot

1303
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:18.359
elevation, dropped roughly all timber.
And this is the twin brothers. So

1304
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:23.399
Dennis, he's walking, he goes
across the flats, he starts walking the

1305
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:27.039
gravel road heading down the side hill
and it's a timber. And all of

1306
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.119
a sudden, he said, Moon
just stops and starts staring up from the

1307
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:31.520
timber. And again this kind of
where I start kind of filling into the

1308
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:34.960
least. I think he was looking
off to the right downhill, and all

1309
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:39.960
of a sudden, all hell breaks
loose and this big, tall, dark

1310
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:44.800
hair covered thing takes off running through
the ferns and trees, a lot of

1311
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:46.960
brush and all that takes off running
and I remember one of the things there

1312
01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:51.039
was a tall standing snag or stuff. The thing ran through this stump and

1313
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:59.119
the thing exploded. The stumped it
and kept on running. And also in

1314
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:01.760
addition to the stump that exploded that
this thing ran through one other things just

1315
01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:04.479
look like ahead an arrow quiver stuck
over it, shoulder over its back,

1316
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:09.960
over shoulders. So, because you've
heard stories of clothing and whatever I have

1317
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.680
over the years, time whatever.
And then he goes, yeah, and

1318
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:15.640
how he reacted whatever. But then
him and Moon continue to walking home.

1319
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:16.680
And that was the end of the
story. So that's the only experience Datis

1320
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.359
ever had. And the funny thing
is, whenever he and I do talk

1321
01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:23.520
about it, he goes, I
don't share that story. It's anyone and

1322
01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:26.079
his twin brother they did. I
mean, these are twin brothers that they're

1323
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:29.720
still attached to the hip. They've
been involved in business, are both in

1324
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.840
early retirement in their late fifties,
been home builders. They talk daily,

1325
01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.560
they do a lot of stuff together, their their wives are good friends.

1326
01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:41.079
They've done a lot. Dennis will
not bring the topic up around his twin

1327
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.399
brother Rob because Rob last out.
So the one thing in their entire lives

1328
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.199
that they probably do not share is
I mean, they've obviously shared it but

1329
01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:53.079
Dennis just doesn't share share it with
anyone. As we know, a lot

1330
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.399
of people don't share their stories or
encounters. But no they don't. Are

1331
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.600
they waiting until they retire and not
a cop anymore? That's in big,

1332
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.800
big right, Yeah, there's that
toue. So So that's that a story,

1333
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.880
and I and he and I don't
even talk about it, but like

1334
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:06.239
every five years or so or six
seven, who knows, we might be

1335
01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:09.760
having a beer or something else is. But I already know his story.

1336
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:11.880
He's he already knows. He shared
it with me, and there's no reason

1337
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.960
talking more about it. I did
invite him, actually, that thing that

1338
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.159
Joe Bielart sent us up to by
Scoop and Meadows again, however many years

1339
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.239
ago, fifteen sixteen, set,
I think eighteen, I don't remember.

1340
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:23.439
But I didn't invite Dennis. But
he just yeah, yeah, he had

1341
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:30.520
his experiences encounter and that's he's he's
good of that. So so moving on

1342
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:34.840
to that. Another gentleman. This
guy played played some softball with and against

1343
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:39.239
years ago, back going back probably
in the eighties, and then through a

1344
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:45.359
mutual UH hunting forum that we both
belonged to. He saw my name on

1345
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.920
there and he's active on this and
this is going back several years as well.

1346
01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:50.680
But up here where I live or
where we live, at the base

1347
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:55.359
of Malhood, the Salmon Huckleberry Wellness, you got malt Hood Wellness, you

1348
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:58.439
got the bull Run Watershed, which
is the water the watershed for the Portland

1349
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.079
metropolitan area, which is much large, Drew Watershed Milk Creek for Walla Walla.

1350
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.439
This is the watershed that's feeding hundreds
of thousands of people, not tens

1351
01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:08.880
of thousands, and to close a
public entry. So we're in. We're

1352
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.119
up. I mean, we've got
mountains, we weld on ess everything around

1353
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:15.479
here. So this gentleman Scott,
who again I had played ball with,

1354
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:20.600
he shared a story with me again
several years ago. But we have three

1355
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:24.000
rivers that come together down here,
the Salmon River, the Sandy River,

1356
01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:27.640
and the zig Zag River. And
uh, there's a cool little golf course,

1357
01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:32.319
beautiful golf course actually right where these
rivers come together, and also used

1358
01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:36.680
to be some fantastic salmon and sealit
fishing back in the day. Not nearly

1359
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:41.840
as as a fruitful as it used
to be. But he told me a

1360
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.000
story a while back where he was
going to fish one of the He's going

1361
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.680
down the golf course to access the
Salmon River to go fishing one morning,

1362
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:53.880
and saw had a big foot run
across the fairway in front of him,

1363
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:57.920
like right at daybreak. Big for
society. Who will be right back after

1364
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:16.439
these messages? Uh oh and yeah, right off the back side of that

1365
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:23.079
Salmon River. It's it's just all
salmon Huckleberry wildness, which has its own

1366
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:26.800
number of stories and encounters and sidings
from again over the over the decades.

1367
01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.159
So uh yeah, as simple as
that. It is a little been in

1368
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:32.680
the eighties, early nineties. Yeah, early morning, and there's some homes,

1369
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.399
the really nice homes, lost golf
this golf course on some sides,

1370
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:39.079
but once you get to that river
side, it's all will us on the

1371
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:43.319
backside. But he yet Bigfoot,
I remember exactly said just something tall and

1372
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:45.680
harry, but he's We were messaging
back and forth, I think email or

1373
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:49.560
whatever, messaging through this uh hunting
forum. Maybe I can't recall exactly how

1374
01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:55.159
the communication exchange, but told me
about that big foot right across the dank

1375
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.359
fairway. This this golf fairway front
of a lot of the way to go

1376
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:00.239
fish the Salmon River, which would
have been midsummer, because that's typically was

1377
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:04.359
it was a summer steel at fishery, which July, August, September,

1378
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:09.359
October is the really the prime season
there time of year for that fishery back

1379
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:15.079
in the day when it was popular
fishery. And again the whole area Highway

1380
01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:17.920
twenty six, it goes over Mount
Hood, there's the cliff as mentioned several

1381
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:21.079
stories. There's been some other stuff. I mean, where we live here

1382
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.840
I throw off a number of stories
I've heard over the years, but these

1383
01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:27.319
are just stories i've heard. There
are people I personally know and or I've

1384
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:35.199
heard those stories from hom So another
acquaintance of mine a little further south.

1385
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:41.000
Timothy Lake is a big popular lake
in the North Cascades here. It's just

1386
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:45.680
south of Mount Hood, a quaint
to mine. I don't know him real

1387
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:46.600
well, but he's a good friends. But another good friend of mine,

1388
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.039
which I'll get to a bit,
but he was right around two thousand hunting

1389
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:56.640
again from our house here. It's
he's probably twenty thirty miles south of here

1390
01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:00.359
from oute little area right along,
and there's a big human. He's in

1391
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:04.119
a reservation that you we can't hunt, Tom, but he's down there hunting

1392
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:11.359
one evening and uh camps in this
remote little camp spot. Yeah, not

1393
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:14.279
even a camp round, just spiking
parking. Drig hiked in a mile or

1394
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.319
two and Elk creb. The elk
make a lot of noise during their rent

1395
01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:19.760
on their mating season, and elkre
buglin all that, and they said,

1396
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:21.720
all of a sudden, a fan
like that is just shut off. And

1397
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.279
it was late in the evening.
But he thought it was just kind of

1398
01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:28.279
weird the way they just shut down
just and he was in the timber.

1399
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:30.000
They're echoing all over at and it
was late, late enough I don't think

1400
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.119
he had could really hunt, but
he's kind of out. A lady needs

1401
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:35.159
scout for the next day, and
you had a buddy coming up to meet

1402
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:43.720
him that night to camp with him, so u uh some. So this

1403
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:45.840
guy he goes back to his truck. I can't remember if he had a

1404
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.319
canopy on his the bit of his
pickup kind of think that's what it was.

1405
01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:56.640
And so he gets back to his
truck, gets roughly that time of

1406
01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:59.960
the rotary season is probably getting dark
nine nine thirty, So gets in the

1407
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:01.279
bit of his pick up around ten. Again. I don't remember all the

1408
01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:05.880
exact details, but not a half
hour after he's in his pickup, all

1409
01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:11.359
of a sudden, his truck shutters
the shakes, and he was expecting his

1410
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:14.840
buddy there till later I can't remember
midnightish after midnight or whatever. I mean,

1411
01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:17.880
it's not that far out there from
the Portland metro. I don't remember

1412
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:20.600
where his buddy is coming from,
but what the whole schedule was. But

1413
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:24.560
he expected his buddy later then,
and no vehicles came up because there's year

1414
01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:28.119
he's a pretty remote part of the
forest where he wasn't on the main road.

1415
01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.760
He's off the side road, back
up back in the timber there.

1416
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:33.119
I don't know exactly where his camp, but I had a pretty good idea.

1417
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:39.119
And the truck shutters, and he
might he goes, my buddy's screwn

1418
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.640
with me. Uh, no headlights
and it's dead quiet out that time,

1419
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:44.800
and I you'd have heard a vehicle
within a half mile or a mile of

1420
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:49.000
yet approaching headlights, or he heard
a vehicle, heard nothing in the truck

1421
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:51.640
shot. I can't remember if he
did it more than a once, may

1422
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:57.319
have, may not have, but
it freaked him out. And I thought

1423
01:33:57.319 --> 01:33:59.479
his buddy screwn with him and I
camera, if he didn't, if he

1424
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:01.439
couldn't fall a sleep, or the
he opened his canopy and shown a flash.

1425
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:05.199
I don't remember any of those details
at all, but I know it

1426
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:09.439
really kind of waked him out.
And then a couple of hours later his

1427
01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:13.119
buddy shows up. Whether it's midnight
or still again, I can't remember his

1428
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.880
physics, but he and I had
that conversation number of years ago, but

1429
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.399
he just what shook my trust into
the night or you know, in the

1430
01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:25.560
late evening. So and and he's
got I've got another story with him here

1431
01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:29.319
in a little bit. So so
something something bump bumped his truck at night.

1432
01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:35.079
So next story up the Clacamus River, which is is kind of all

1433
01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:42.960
the Clackmus River drip area as well. Again Joe Blert's country. Uh,

1434
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:45.119
good friend of mine, Sean.
And this looks like this is probably around

1435
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:47.520
two thousand and two now, So
again we're going back a little bit.

1436
01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:51.640
Uh, he's hotting up there with
his father and I think his brother,

1437
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:57.920
and they're up a remote little road
some and some older clear cuts up there,

1438
01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:03.800
and uh, Sean climbed up the
hill. And again just kind of

1439
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.640
the picture I've got. They parked
at a dead end road and probably a

1440
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.439
big round gravel turn about. So
the truck's parked there, him and his

1441
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:15.800
dad and again maybe brother, and
Sean starts working his way up the hill

1442
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.279
deer hunting, I believe. So
it'd have been early August start excoose me

1443
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.399
early October. So Shawn works his
way up the hill, gets way up

1444
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:27.319
above this older clearcut. The clearcut
is I'm going to estimate to the trees

1445
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:29.680
in this country. You can grow
back pretty quick. Within five or ten

1446
01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:31.880
years, you're starting to get some
trees that are probably you know, it's

1447
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:35.840
ten twenty foot tall if they've been
replanted. He got way up above on

1448
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:40.199
the clear cut, and he gets
up there and he can see he can

1449
01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:42.720
see their pick up for other truck
parked way down below. And whether it's

1450
01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:45.359
two hundred yards or a thousand yards, ID all know is waist down there,

1451
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:48.520
I'm sure. Then all of a
sudden down below Sean. And this

1452
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:54.840
again from what I recollect is probably
midday, early late or late morning,

1453
01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:58.880
midday early afternoon, all of a
sudden, down below Sean on a pretty

1454
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:02.640
steep slope, this big bler goes
flying straight up in the air really and

1455
01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:05.760
comes down. The thing is,
you didn't hear the sud of it coming

1456
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:12.520
down. Then this big boulder goes
back up in the air and comes down.

1457
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:14.880
And I don't remember how many times
it happened, two, three,

1458
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.520
four or five times I recall,
but he's going someone's screwing with me here.

1459
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:23.000
And if I recall, he said
somebody thought it might be his brother.

1460
01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.079
And he shouts out and how far
this was down. I don't think

1461
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:30.239
it was a long distance away,
but I'm estimating probably it might have been

1462
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:32.439
thirty to fifty yards down down the
hill below him. But this big rock

1463
01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.239
flying way up there, coming down
and not sutting when it hits the ground.

1464
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:40.840
Then he's he made a comment to
something like, hey, no,

1465
01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:43.399
it's you, or screw screw it
with me, whatever. Then he sees

1466
01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:47.119
his brother and his dad way down
down on the trucks moments later. So

1467
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:53.920
it wasn't his brother, wasn't his
father, And and he's he and I've

1468
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:56.319
talked about it a couple of times, and he goes he always had an

1469
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:59.560
eerie feeling whenever he drove this little
road that went back to that little uh

1470
01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.199
ground parking area. Whatever. So
he and I we've actually been talking to

1471
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:06.359
I just talked with them a week
or two ago. This is go up

1472
01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.520
in the forest these days. There
are so many ding people up there at

1473
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:12.439
weekends are just as zoo almost you
can't you can't get away from people,

1474
01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:15.079
it seems like anymore. People all
get in the woods because our forest is

1475
01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:18.279
extremely thick and rugged. But they're
camp at the end of the roads or

1476
01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:23.239
hiking. They're going all the lakes
and recreation areas and trailheads and whatever.

1477
01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:26.000
But he just got a new job
where he has Friday's off, and I

1478
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.279
have a relatively flexible schedule. So
I told himm, once you get in

1479
01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:30.399
your new job, you squared away. Let's stenak up there for a Friday.

1480
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.000
I want to go up. He
hasn't been out there for several years

1481
01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:35.319
himself, but he's always had this
weird ear, weird eerie feeling about that

1482
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:41.119
place, even prior to this raw
tossing incident. So I'm just curious where

1483
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:44.680
he's at. I don't even I
just know he's up the Clackmans River somewhere.

1484
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:46.359
But yeah, rock flying up in
the air coming down. I did.

1485
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:49.520
He went up several times, and
uh, you know, nevercided when

1486
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:53.039
it hit the ground because the rocks
like that, you're gonna you're going to

1487
01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:59.520
hear it plus feel it. Wow, that's very man sound kiss cleaning out

1488
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:02.560
catch that. Yeah, And then
I said that he made some comment.

1489
01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.319
I remember me to comment. He
thought he'd be, okay, I know

1490
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:06.960
what you well, So it's just
and then their brother and dad way down

1491
01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:13.640
the truck and one hundreds of yards
away. So so I don't have any

1492
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:16.960
answers for you. I just got
the questions. Yeah, exactly, all

1493
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:21.560
right. So where we live.
We live in one of the major river

1494
01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.079
drangers come off some mount comes off
mountain Hood, which is in the eleven

1495
01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:28.640
thousand plus foot Dorm Volcano. It's
the top of the mountains, like seven

1496
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:32.600
miles from us right now, and
again from more we're at. To the

1497
01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:36.680
south of us, we've got zig
Zag Mountain twenty twenty five feet above us.

1498
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:40.600
Behind us, we've got the Bowl
Run waters or excuse again, the

1499
01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:43.279
bow Run Watershed, which is another
fifteen hundred two thousand feet to the ridge

1500
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:47.520
top above us, and the Zigzag
Mountain to the south of us has some

1501
01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:50.199
stories on it, and I'll throw
a fews of those. Yeah, But

1502
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:54.560
just up the road from us,
we have an older gentleman who his brother

1503
01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:57.359
is a log home builder in the
area, and he's been involved in the

1504
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.399
building trades himself. I don't he's
more, he's pretty much now. But

1505
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.319
so he lives not even not even
a half mile of the roof from this

1506
01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:12.039
quarter mile. Probably Tom and Uh
we were with them. I guess when

1507
01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:14.880
was it? Fourth was July?
I left him a couple of weeks ago,

1508
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:17.560
and I'd heard, I knew he
had stories. But our friends that

1509
01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:20.960
live up there as well, there
are his neighbors. Friend Chris has said

1510
01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:25.039
he got to talk to Saw him
sometime, and I'll thank Chris. Actually

1511
01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:28.439
a story too, But so a
couple of weeks ago I finally got to

1512
01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:30.119
ask Tom. So he has two
kind of similar stories. But when he

1513
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:33.640
started clearing his land to build his
home, yeah up there. So again,

1514
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.239
this is a Sandy River drainage is
roughly a quarter mile a half mile

1515
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:41.279
wide. It's all all blood flows
from mount or a mount hood has erupted

1516
01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:44.279
over the years, and just the
whole valley is mud flow. Then the

1517
01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:46.600
forest builds up and grows up,
so it's a relatively flat down here.

1518
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:58.159
So Tom was clearing his land roughly
early two thousands and then and probably very

1519
01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:01.359
two similar stories. And then a
couple of years later he used to go

1520
01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:03.840
to work really early in the mornings. Again I don't remember if he was

1521
01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:10.119
contractor back then our home construction and
what, but two very similar stories in

1522
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.079
the early two thousands and a couple
years later he'd be out there early in

1523
01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:18.600
the morning, have have a cup
of coffee, have a cigarette and two

1524
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:24.520
different times he's been out there early
in the morning and boulders went flying across

1525
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:30.640
his yard. Really yeah, oh
man, you know, and the difference

1526
01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:32.239
between the two stories that he gave
me there were two different times that it

1527
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:38.640
happened. And so he told our
friend Chris, who I'm we're better friends

1528
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:43.760
with that Tom we know pretty well. But yeah, so, yeah,

1529
01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.039
he's been out there three in the
morning a cigarette and drink coffee, clearing

1530
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:48.720
the land. And he's been up
here long enough. Twenty some year,

1531
01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:53.640
twentieth years ago, there wasn't as
there's been. There's several homes up our

1532
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:56.359
valley, but not a ton.
But yeah, he was probably one of

1533
01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:00.560
the earlier people developing the land up
here and clearing it and this home on.

1534
01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:02.279
Yeah, you're out through them early
in the morning and Dan Boulder was

1535
01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:06.760
playing across from one tree line out
across your yard and boulders how big they

1536
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:10.760
are, I don't know, but
random, random at you know, three

1537
01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:13.840
in the morning, and happened on
two different occations over the course of a

1538
01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:17.520
couple of years. And the right
time for weird stuff with bigfoot to happen

1539
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:23.840
too am in the morning, No
down, man, so let me see

1540
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.479
as I'm looking at my notes here, so yeah, okay, this sizes

1541
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:31.680
and name as well. He mentioned
a so they said that up behind his

1542
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:34.600
house as well, just south of
him is this is exact mountain which is

1543
01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:42.239
it is one rugged, steep,
thick, bluffy mountain. Side there's a

1544
01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.079
there's a trail on the top.
There's a couple of trails to go this

1545
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.359
side up some pre trainers to some
some lakes. They're all hiking lakes.

1546
01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:51.000
And I want to go hike that
face that mountain down this side. It's

1547
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:53.680
going to be brutal. I wouldn't
hike up, but I don't know if

1548
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:56.319
any you could think you could,
but you wouldn't want to do it again.

1549
01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.079
Coming down won't be a whole lot
more pleasant because it's hits steep,

1550
01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.600
rugged, and there's some bluffy stuff. There's a lot of thick, elder

1551
01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:05.000
thick. It's it's just it's it's
it's a Noman's land so to speak,

1552
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:10.000
for the most part. But anyway, so tom, as I'm looking at

1553
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:13.079
my notes here, he heard a
bellowing hel coming up off of there.

1554
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:17.119
It lasted like thirty seconds then so
above his house, which again he is

1555
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:21.760
that direction from you again? Less
than a half mile And then he said,

1556
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:27.039
like last like thirty seconds, and
then he got a response down Zigzag

1557
01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:33.239
ridge. Later, immediate response,
So let me see the notes bellowing hell

1558
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:36.720
up on Zigzag Mountain and thirty seconds
later response down the ridge to the west.

1559
01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:41.920
Then and I and I said,
he just told me this story a

1560
01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:44.319
few weeks ago. But the ring
knows. He says, he goes,

1561
01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.439
you ever seen funny Bigfoot? It
sounds like what bobo the sam Bobo makes.

1562
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:54.319
Man, Oh, that freaked me
out. I've always that's that's one

1563
01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:58.039
of my things where someday I want
to hear vocalization like that. Someday.

1564
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.279
Man, well, that's right behind
us. I mean that's wow. I

1565
01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:09.079
can long range right as a crow
fies. It's five six hundred yards behind

1566
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:12.000
me. It's the side of the
Zigzag Mountain and it runs for seven eight

1567
01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:16.800
ten miles that way, right up
to Mount Hood. So I will jump

1568
01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.560
forward a little bit. So our
our mutual friend Chris, him and his

1569
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:25.159
wife and kids live right there next
to Tom, his young daughter Lily.

1570
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:29.600
And this is going back roughly twenty
ten. They heard screams up on the

1571
01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.760
back side of the Zigzag Mountain and
Lily, who was roughly about eight.

1572
01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:38.600
Then I remember Chris dad telling me
this he goes, let it goes,

1573
01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:43.840
there's something up there. So Chris
heard him up there. And I think

1574
01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:47.720
most of these the call that Tom
talked about and what personally, I think

1575
01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:57.880
they've been springtime vocalizations. And again
I'm pretty sure I don't have exact dates

1576
01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:00.520
or times whatever, it seems to
me it's been like March April age type

1577
01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:10.960
of stuff. So only a couple
more for you. So uh again,

1578
01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.920
over outside of Esticada on the Clacmus
River, are you very familiar with this

1579
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:19.039
country up here? I I have
the Oregon Bigfoot Highway, and so I

1580
01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:24.399
know when you say stuff like Esticada
and zig Zag mount I know, like

1581
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:29.000
I've they sound very familiar, but
I've never like actually gone out to the

1582
01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:32.760
area yet personally, but like I've
read the book by Joe, Well,

1583
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:36.680
yeah, I've got to get it. So yeah, so Esdicated is the

1584
01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:41.039
where the Clacmus River comes out of
our Cascade Mountains. Esticada is like at

1585
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.479
the the gateway. It's where the
mountains meet and the foot hills meet the

1586
01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:47.079
flatlands. And that's Esticada, small
little rural community have been there for a

1587
01:44:47.119 --> 01:44:50.439
million years whatever, but it's grown
like crazy now and there's a ton of

1588
01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:56.159
recreation that goes up but uh,
up the Clacmas River, a lot of

1589
01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:58.520
camping, a lot of water play, a lot of fish and all that

1590
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:00.319
stuff is a bunch of people's as
in the summertime go up that way,

1591
01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:20.199
big for society. Who will be
right back after these messages. And there's

1592
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:25.760
some people live up there. But
but away from that, down towards Aggresham,

1593
01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.520
which is one of our bigger,
more better communities to Portland, a

1594
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.800
little community outside of that called Boring. Again, I'm going back to years

1595
01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:34.760
ago now, I've as I put
these news together over the accumulating them over

1596
01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:39.119
the years, I kind of estimated
some of them, so roughly around years

1597
01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:43.000
ago. I've always had I've always
had dogs. I we chocolate labs in

1598
01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:45.479
particular, and loved a bird hunt. I just like getting out with my

1599
01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.000
dog and busting my butt and sweating
and having a good time with the dog

1600
01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:51.760
and getting family out there whatever,
sometimes spending days with friends. So one

1601
01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:55.039
day I pull up in this little
gas station in the town of Boring,

1602
01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:00.399
Oregon, and got my dog with
me at summertime. Windows were old dog

1603
01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:01.439
sticking her head out. Every time
you go to a gas station, you're

1604
01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:05.239
hoping they'll give you him a milk
bone to chill on. And uh.

1605
01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:13.000
A young dude comes up pumps our
gas because because we still we're just finally

1606
01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:16.479
begetting getting to pop our own gas
out here. It's been attend and served

1607
01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:20.640
for forever. Anyway, guy comes
out pumps our gas and it starts talking

1608
01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:24.479
about the dog and you love birds. He goes, yeah, that's this

1609
01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:28.640
second lab and I love bird hunting
and I just love getting out. Then

1610
01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:33.119
he looks at me and he starts
talking about hunting grouse, which I hunt

1611
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.119
a grouse a little bit. They're
more of a forest bird where I hunt

1612
01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:39.000
the other types of birds pheasant,
chuck or whatever. And I've und his

1613
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:41.359
some grouse and fond to hunt and
he can get to go on the forest.

1614
01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:43.960
And asked about grouse and he goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything.

1615
01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:45.840
Then he goes, yeah, there's
a real good place up to Clackmus.

1616
01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:47.600
Then he kind of tilts us head. He goes, you ever heard

1617
01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:55.439
of big foot acres? Bigfoot acres? No? Oh boy? Yeah,

1618
01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:59.039
So it's a little place ups out
outside of Estechia. He gave me some

1619
01:46:59.159 --> 01:47:02.239
rough directions. I'd don't I didn't
make know there's enough roads and leugh area

1620
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.880
up there. I heard of Bigfoot
Acres, No, and so he told

1621
01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:09.079
me you go up this one road, go here there you are there and

1622
01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:10.760
all that, and there's all kinds
of grass. That says, so,

1623
01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:15.600
why's it called Bigfoot Acres? He
goes Bigfoot matter of factly go is he

1624
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:19.359
there? And the kid goes,
shakes his head and turns to walk away.

1625
01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:25.800
Helps another cars just pulled in.
Philipod casts, Oh wow, Okay,

1626
01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:33.520
So that being said, there's a
ranger station in Esticada, Essicaated Ranger

1627
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.119
District, Ranger Station for the Matholt
National Forest. And I've heard stories for

1628
01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:40.920
years. You may have, I
know Joe Has and Cliff Has and other

1629
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:45.720
people. But supposedly there's a sightings
book in there that doesn't exist, doesn't

1630
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:49.399
exist nally. You go ask for
it. They don't know what you're talking

1631
01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:53.560
about. But supposedly there's book in
there. And I've heard that for for

1632
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:57.680
twenty years. There's yeah to be
but and I know and I know people

1633
01:47:57.720 --> 01:47:59.560
have gone in and asking for it
and then they don't have any know what

1634
01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:03.880
you talk about out Rick? Did
you ever go up to Bigfoot Acres?

1635
01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:08.880
I never got the exact he is. He gave me the rough up here,

1636
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:11.720
there's so many forest roads. And
again once she gets Passida up in

1637
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:15.119
the area where it was, there's
some ranches and some uh, there's no

1638
01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:18.399
communities or talents up there, but
there's there's this plain of logging roads and

1639
01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:21.680
forest roads and this and that.
He gave me a rough idea. I

1640
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:25.680
mean, it's just a casual chat. I wasn't. I mean, I

1641
01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:29.520
obviously interested in Bigfoot, but as
he gave me that info, and I

1642
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:31.159
tried to make a mental note,
But then as I tried to fine tune

1643
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:35.159
it, it's that all that counches
big looking trip. There no, absolutely,

1644
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:39.239
so absolutely that I was going to
go to the exact road to the

1645
01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:43.039
dead end and go to Bigfoot Acres
to look for grouse slash Bigfoot. I

1646
01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:45.079
probably had as much a chance of
going down another road and taking it right

1647
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.560
instead of a left and probably finding
big So I don't, I don't know.

1648
01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:54.279
I never did again, and I've
always wondered. I wish I would

1649
01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:57.920
have gotten better details, but we
were talking bird Hunt, not Bigot.

1650
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:01.880
I just know the general area.
But across that's all I said. That's

1651
01:49:01.880 --> 01:49:05.399
on the north I guess you could
call it even the east side of the

1652
01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:12.600
Clackamas River. Across you've got goat
Mountain my camera, there's Hillock Hillock Burn

1653
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.279
Road. There's there's all kinds of
stories up there as well, and and

1654
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.079
on and on. But so I
never know. I never went to Big

1655
01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:21.279
Lakers and I and I couldn't tell
you exactly where it's at. But it's

1656
01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:27.239
up there somewhere. Maybe maybe a
listener knows about Bigfoot Acres and they can

1657
01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:31.560
email me a big for Society temail. I have Google before I can hook

1658
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:34.920
Rick up. Yeah, that'd be
awesome. Right, Well, I have

1659
01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:39.640
Google Search and nothing comes up on
it. I'm sure that up behind,

1660
01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:43.800
up behind that general area got Mount
Mitchell, which I think Joe in in

1661
01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:46.600
in that in his book. Actually
there's a trackway from Mount Mitchell which is

1662
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.439
up in that same country and all
that. But I said there, I

1663
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:53.199
won't get into a lot more specifics
up there because there's quite a few lakes

1664
01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:59.479
and remote campground stuff that I Between
Joe and Cliff, they've they've they've they've

1665
01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:01.000
got a lot of of people out
there in the field themselves, and there's

1666
01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:05.479
there's a lot of stories that come
out of that, all out of all

1667
01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:10.119
that country for those that are reft, actively out there doing doing more than

1668
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:13.960
I'm doing out the woods. So
anyway, big quot Acres, that's my

1669
01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:16.600
story. Yeah, dude, you
got to get this book. I got

1670
01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:20.560
I got the book right here next
to me and big Well, like I

1671
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:24.600
said, yeah, it's so good. Yeah, well, I'm sure that's

1672
01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:28.279
well. And actually Joe told me
about it back before you even publish the

1673
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.359
thing. Oh that's awesome. But
again, I do need to get out

1674
01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:32.600
and I need to get you to
sign it. Okay, I've got like

1675
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:35.479
two or three more than I'm gonna
I have to go weak then, yeah,

1676
01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:40.119
I mean you've got to be just
starving by now, Rick, you

1677
01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:43.720
go fine, how to do it? This is calling my appetite? Yeah

1678
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:48.960
yeah. So so uh again,
from where we live, uh we we

1679
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:53.680
where we we can't where we live. We less than two miles from us

1680
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:58.000
as National Forest boundary. Wow.
And this summer year, our little remote

1681
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:00.640
little mountain road gets a lot of
trafic because there's uh, there's four or

1682
01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.560
five campgrounds up here, three or
four. Then there's a lot of trail

1683
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.439
heads that take you on the Pacific
Crest Trail, which is our big international

1684
01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:09.560
trail goes from Canada all the way
down to Mexico, is you know,

1685
01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:13.199
fifteen minute drive from US, and
several other trail heads. A lot of

1686
01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:15.000
them go up to the base of
Mount Hood and all around. You know,

1687
01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:18.239
I said, this is Exag Mountain
up here, so and I mentioned

1688
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:20.640
there's a couple of trails on this
side that take you up to these remote

1689
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:26.439
little mountain lakes. But another friend
of ours, acquaintance or not tight tight

1690
01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:29.399
friends, but he works for Clackmans
County, which is one of the big

1691
01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:36.079
metropolitan counties in the area. He
uh runs search and rescue, and he

1692
01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:40.119
is telling me a story that's five, six, seven years ago. Is

1693
01:51:40.159 --> 01:51:43.039
telling me, So just up past
our house as you go up towards the

1694
01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:47.000
trail heads that are up here,
going up the Sandy River and heading towards

1695
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:55.199
Mountain Hood and backside his Eiggag Mountain. Several summers ago, roughly again roughly

1696
01:51:55.199 --> 01:52:00.600
twenty ten, there's when this shooting
occurred. There are some a hiker,

1697
01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:03.119
a hiker or hiker's loss up there, just didn't come back. So in

1698
01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:05.520
the summertime again it starts to warm
up here. You start getting a lot

1699
01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:10.239
of breezes in the mountains, and
and as the mountain winds go, it's

1700
01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:13.079
just a lot of noise birds or
squawking and stuff. So they like to

1701
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:16.560
do especially in the summers, especially
if weather conditions permit. It's not like

1702
01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:20.079
a snowing or going to be some
freezing or whatever. They like. They

1703
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:24.600
prefer to do their search and rescues
at night because it's dead call. People

1704
01:52:24.640 --> 01:52:27.800
can shout and hallow your name.
You can hear people that might be injured.

1705
01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:30.720
They can barely whimper, you can, you know, just the sound

1706
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:35.439
carries so much better in the dead
night. So Scott, this gentleman's name,

1707
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:39.760
heading the county Search and Rescue,
and they've got their posseas and they've

1708
01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:43.359
got a lot of nonprofits and other
search and rescue organizations that like to help

1709
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:47.159
out in land to hand. So
they were I think it was an individual

1710
01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:49.239
hiker, I camember, it's a
couple. I think it's just an individual

1711
01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:53.760
just didn't show back, show up, And so they go up and set

1712
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:56.760
up a base, just a couple
of miles up from our house, and

1713
01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:01.119
this hiker or hikers was up on
somewhere on Zigzag mount And again there's not

1714
01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:05.520
a lot of trails up there,
and you shouldn't get off trail. There's

1715
01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:11.359
no reason too because it's in it's
just it's just rugged country. I'm not

1716
01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:15.399
saying you couldn't roll off or fall
off or stumble or get injured or whatever.

1717
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:17.640
There who knows why people disappear in
our mountains every every year or to

1718
01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:21.720
someone disappears with sure, no sign, no reason. They find a car

1719
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:27.680
to trailhead and there's no evidence of
anything afterwards or else or else, their

1720
01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:30.680
camp is vacant and never then they
never be seen again. And again there's

1721
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.119
not much reason to get off any
of the trails in this while area because

1722
01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:36.199
it's just this in hospital country if
you're hunting. That's one thing that most

1723
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:40.239
of these people who just day I
can and overnighting or whatever. But so

1724
01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:45.279
anyway, the good and their group
gets up there one evening and several groups

1725
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:46.319
go out a couple of different trailheads. Some might have been on horses.

1726
01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:49.960
I don't never the whole exact scenario
and had and and you go out in

1727
01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:53.920
pairs, two people at a time, and then at night they're going out

1728
01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:57.600
of night. So it's roughly like
two in the morning. Gets a radio

1729
01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:00.279
call from one of the couples or
coming down, and this guy goes,

1730
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:03.760
did you find him? They said, nope, we're coming down. They

1731
01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:08.279
go, well, hell, this
is the this is the prime search and

1732
01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:11.119
rescue time. Two in the morning, dead quiet, all of that.

1733
01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:14.439
It's like, for all the reasons
I mentioned, so why the heck are

1734
01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:16.399
they coming down? That's so hour
hour and half later, I don't I

1735
01:54:16.479 --> 01:54:18.640
remember how long, but these people
come down and go, why in the

1736
01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:21.439
heck did you guys come down?
They said, there's something up there,

1737
01:54:23.439 --> 01:54:25.199
and this is again this is the
kind of word for word as well,

1738
01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:28.600
there's there's something up there. It
says it doesn't want us up there,

1739
01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.960
and we don't want to be there. Whoa, and it was, you

1740
01:54:32.039 --> 01:54:35.000
know, something just started screaming and
carrying on, I guess relatively close to

1741
01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:41.399
him, and they just pretty much
then they didn't want us there, we

1742
01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:43.119
didn't want to be there, So
they came off the mountain, quit their

1743
01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:47.239
search and rescue efforts. And this
is then, and so the guy to

1744
01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:49.720
replay this too. Us. Like
I said, he worked at Clacmus County

1745
01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:55.800
Deputy shrifs Apartment Search and Rescue,
And yeah, they came off the mountain

1746
01:54:56.359 --> 01:54:59.680
so that when something started to start, something started raising l up there.

1747
01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.279
It didn't want us there, and
we didn't want to be there. Oh

1748
01:55:02.399 --> 01:55:04.720
my goodness. And if you looked
at this mountain, if you are ever

1749
01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:09.039
here, it can I can look
at it daily. It's right back door.

1750
01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:15.079
It's if I could live in that
environment, didn't want to be found.

1751
01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:17.520
That's that's the ideal place. And
I want to climb down that mountain

1752
01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:19.439
from top to bottom. I've got
a couple different ridges, a couple of

1753
01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:23.359
different drangeres is. It's going to
be brutal. And I'm not a spring

1754
01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:25.640
chicken anymore. I can still do
it. It's gravity helped me down the

1755
01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:28.119
Dane Hill. But I just want
to see what's in the middle of that

1756
01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:30.920
mountain because there's no trails in middle. There's a couple of loss of little

1757
01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:32.720
trails that work their whips and creek
ranges. Feel the top, there's miles

1758
01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:41.960
and miles and miles of non vertical
but extremely steep, rugged rough bluffy or

1759
01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:46.880
north Oregon Cascades Forests wild oh Man. Yeah, it's got to be beautiful

1760
01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:50.600
outs on this area. Whoever we
left that got of it's really really neat,

1761
01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:56.039
especially this time of here. So
that'd be insaid Aroundzigag Mountain between Highway

1762
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.600
twenty six on the back side,
through the little community of Rhododendron and Welches

1763
01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:03.279
and up this way. A friend
of Cliff's had a siding just up the

1764
01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:09.399
road from US real similar in the
close proximity to where the Scott the Clackmans

1765
01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:12.560
County Search and Richard guy. Cliff
had a buddy of his about eight or

1766
01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:15.640
nine years ago, woke up one
morning up there looking and had a siding

1767
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:18.239
out of his camper window right in
the base of the mountain one morning.

1768
01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:25.399
So so, but the other's that
in the last twenty to twenty five years

1769
01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:29.520
there's been several sightings between all around
here, and that's just stuff I've heard

1770
01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:35.319
of. All right, let me
throw you see two more at yeah than

1771
01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:43.199
I'm done it. So I mentioned
to you the guy that was camps hunting

1772
01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:45.000
a couple about an hour hour and
a half from here, twenty thirty forty

1773
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:48.760
fifty miles whatever that had something bumped
his truck and look the night right,

1774
01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:51.359
and his buddy's going to be there. And two hours later whatever, his

1775
01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:57.159
buddy shows up. So he was
hunting with our mutual friend wrong in the

1776
01:56:57.239 --> 01:57:01.720
same general area, not quite that
far. A big, big, big

1777
01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:04.800
river, bottom, big medals and
all that stuff. And Ron is my

1778
01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:11.239
one guy think I mentioned earlier,
who was a retired logger, spent his

1779
01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:14.279
entire time in the woods. He's
out there even is retired. He's a

1780
01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:16.760
big time photographer. He does a
lot of stuff outdoors, the trail cameras

1781
01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:20.800
and all that. And he's an
nonbeliever because they spent his entire life in

1782
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:26.079
the woods, in the Cascades and
on the coast range. So Ron and

1783
01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:30.560
this other gentleman Dave there, they
went down and hunted this big long medal

1784
01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:34.479
one day and again we're talking this
back twenty thirteen. It looks like September

1785
01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:39.840
two thirteen, archery hunting. And
as they're working through this flats, you

1786
01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:42.680
got a big metal. You got
a lot of this river bottles about half

1787
01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:44.920
mile wide, and there's some big
seedar trees, and there's a big cedar

1788
01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:51.279
swamp, a lot of elk in
there usually and they're working their way through

1789
01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:56.600
the timber, and again it's open
timber, kind of a little bread of

1790
01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:59.159
brush, huckleberries and roaded enterns,
but typically and some of the stuff you

1791
01:57:59.159 --> 01:58:00.960
can see two three hundred charge,
which is in our forest around here.

1792
01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:09.920
That's quite a distance. And they
look and aways from one hundred and hun

1793
01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:14.640
of yards they see another hunter.
That's really weird because the only access point

1794
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:16.319
where they came in from is really
about the only clache could park there,

1795
01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:18.439
and there's no other rig park there. And all of a sudden there's a

1796
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:23.760
hunter down in the river bottom.
And again river bottoms a high mountain valley

1797
01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:28.520
bottoms, so there's another hunter there. They were really surprised, said,

1798
01:58:29.279 --> 01:58:32.000
Then the hunter walked behind a tree, and again there was roughly one hundred

1799
01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:38.039
yards away. If I recall correctly, it looks like a dude dark we're

1800
01:58:38.239 --> 01:58:45.399
all dark clothing quote unquote clothing walk
behind a tree. Never saw him again.

1801
01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.600
And as they go. As they
go walking over there, there's kind

1802
01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:54.560
of a little dip in a ravine
because in some of these rivers is a

1803
01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:58.680
meander. You get this, Uh, they they'll cut a bank and they'll

1804
01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:00.520
switch channel. Whatever I think if
I recall this kind of a little dipper

1805
01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:06.319
raffine behind it, a little cut
bank, but they were they slowly worked

1806
01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:10.479
the way over there because this hunter
kind of went behind tree and never saw

1807
01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:13.960
him again. Walked over there,
never saw a hunter, didn't find anything.

1808
01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:16.520
And and so this ron says,
in all my years in the woods,

1809
01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:19.880
that's the first time I've seen something
and not been able to identify it.

1810
01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:25.600
He's still an unbeliever, but he
says, not sure what it was,

1811
01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:31.840
and it's a random yeah. So
and that's and he and I had

1812
01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:35.800
that on one of our hunting forms, that that's how I met this wrong

1813
01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:40.439
neat guy, and it's got thought
loyal followers. He'd actually made that post

1814
01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:45.560
on our hunting form again back in
twenty thirteen, that that first time I've

1815
01:59:45.560 --> 01:59:48.399
seen anything and never been identify it. But he and I a couple of

1816
01:59:48.439 --> 01:59:50.600
years later, we were out driving
around out in the mountains and I we

1817
01:59:50.760 --> 01:59:55.680
brought I brought such it up.
And he's still he's still an animate non

1818
01:59:55.720 --> 02:00:01.039
believer, but he goes Raley adds
some dads who are really interest So so

1819
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:04.439
anyway, it was just uh yeah, coming from from a guy like that,

1820
02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:15.239
and uh Lastly, you had mentioned
that one of your speakers a while

1821
02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:18.960
back could drop the name and drops
a very specific location somewhere. And I

1822
02:00:19.079 --> 02:00:23.479
know that specific name, and I
know some of his specific locations, and

1823
02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:27.880
and it coincidentally, so yeah,
yeah, so it quincidentally. It's an

1824
02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.800
area I'm very familiar with myself.
Okay, from your near home. Yeah,

1825
02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:39.079
neat little little ponds meadows and uh
may Cliff, did I say that

1826
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:41.840
we go up there? He go
up there and just drink some local beers

1827
02:00:41.880 --> 02:00:45.039
and plays out. He's a musician. He plays his guitar and he says,

1828
02:00:45.119 --> 02:00:46.800
uh more. From then I get
some some something happens middle night,

1829
02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:51.680
might just be a knock at two
in the morning or whatever, but very

1830
02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:57.399
very near that location. And he'd
mentioned that place randomly to me several years

1831
02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:00.760
ago, and I think we even
talked about that specific location. He's throwing

1832
02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:03.600
a couple of names me. But
it's all touch right now. But within

1833
02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:06.520
about a mile of that, there's
a big deep canyon and there's an old

1834
02:01:06.560 --> 02:01:11.279
logging road that goes down and it's
all heavily timbered. And I have three

1835
02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:15.760
different what I would call trackways that
have come off these steep cut banks.

1836
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:23.159
I've sent them to. I sent
pictures of Joe, will be allowed to

1837
02:01:23.159 --> 02:01:27.279
send them to Cliff. Send them
to Todd Niece is another name I'll mentioned.

1838
02:01:27.319 --> 02:01:30.840
If you know Todd he oh does
he really that? Yeah, yeah,

1839
02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:33.800
we had a couple of beers a
month or so ago. That funny.

1840
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:43.359
But uh, they're not definitive behind
the means, but a couple of

1841
02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:45.199
them. Again, I'll send you
some of these photos later on if you

1842
02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:48.199
like, But yeah, definitely a
couple of them are older and washed out.

1843
02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:54.279
Even the best ones weren't. But
the thing is, and even Cliff

1844
02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.479
was trying to to poo poo on
them. But could be dear elk or

1845
02:01:57.560 --> 02:01:59.840
bear. Well, I hunt dere
at elk and bear, and I've seen

1846
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:00.640
a lot of deernilk and bear,
and I've seen a lot of tracks.

1847
02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:06.439
First of all, these have a
straight toe edge. Also okay, deer

1848
02:02:06.560 --> 02:02:11.560
hoof a bear and the substraight it
was in It was a very hard packed

1849
02:02:12.560 --> 02:02:18.680
cut bank, and they're long.
You could think it was someone's then if

1850
02:02:18.720 --> 02:02:21.760
there were people walking on this cut
bank. It's a very very very remote

1851
02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:26.479
road and in an area that people
wouldn't have really very little reason to be

1852
02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:29.600
up on that hill to be walking
down. You can see if they stepped

1853
02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:31.640
side hills trying to come down this
cut bank where their feet could have slipped.

1854
02:02:31.720 --> 02:02:35.680
But the the straight edge was only
was about eight inches. That's a

1855
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:41.199
short that's a small foot be walking
and making the impressions that were on this

1856
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:45.520
cut bank coming down. And then
then I found a couple older ones that

1857
02:02:45.560 --> 02:02:49.319
were all very indefident, but you
just see large impressions work walking up this

1858
02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:54.199
cut banking again. And this is
near where this little punt and metal is.

1859
02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.439
What's his face like to hang out? I don't know how I goes

1860
02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:01.920
up there, and it's in a
remote, rugged little canyon, but and

1861
02:03:02.920 --> 02:03:06.439
and I was up there about three
or four weeks ago, and I haven't

1862
02:03:06.479 --> 02:03:09.920
been to this road and this cup
banks for a couple of years now.

1863
02:03:10.119 --> 02:03:12.800
I always look at the cut banks. It's about two miles section there that

1864
02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:15.800
it's thick brushy up high at the
whole bottom is just a thick, rugged

1865
02:03:16.159 --> 02:03:20.680
jungle. So I don't know,
I don't know it made those impressions,

1866
02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:24.119
but one of them. There's like
five or six impressions going up this cut

1867
02:03:24.199 --> 02:03:30.319
bank, and they're all sizable.
They've got straight what i'd call toe edge.

1868
02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:39.399
Yep, that's wild. That's all
I got for Wow. I mean

1869
02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:47.319
it's cool to hear that that area. Someone else has found something cool in

1870
02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:51.000
an area close to that, you
know, And I'm being vague, but

1871
02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:56.479
you get sure they like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Like I've

1872
02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:00.000
got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking whatever. I told that before. I've got

1873
02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:02.319
no encounters, nothing you know from
knows and knows with me and we are

1874
02:04:02.399 --> 02:04:10.239
wrestled or whatever. But Rach,
this has been a fascinating chat of like

1875
02:04:10.680 --> 02:04:17.000
just a lifetime of collected stories and
like how I mean you pretty much had

1876
02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:26.399
some really cool experiences chatting with people
involved with Bigfoot history in a way which

1877
02:04:26.479 --> 02:04:30.159
is is very cool as well.
But yeah, well you bet on my

1878
02:04:30.279 --> 02:04:32.960
pleasure. Like I said, I
could throw other second or third or fourthand

1879
02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:35.880
stores, but these are all,
you know, vast majority. It's either

1880
02:04:36.039 --> 02:04:40.600
you know those people I know and
or the random thing at the gas station.

1881
02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:42.840
The kid asked about big Foot Acres, but it was a personal kid

1882
02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.560
counter between he and I to Bigfoot
acres. We got to track that down.

1883
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:49.920
Listeners, if you know a big
Foot acres is, please email me

1884
02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:53.600
in big forciety at email dot com. We have to track that down.

1885
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:55.720
Yeah, no, i'd loved you. I said, I'd love that.

1886
02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:57.800
And there's a lot of roads out
that It's hard to say, but point

1887
02:04:57.840 --> 02:05:00.560
I wish. I wish the kids
still worked there, but you an eighteen

1888
02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:02.760
year working a gas station twenty some
years later eighteen years what however, we

1889
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:08.720
can probably not we'll not working there. But anyways, it's just you know,

1890
02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:10.920
and I've gone back and forth for
number months and I said, I've

1891
02:05:10.920 --> 02:05:13.560
got a lot of stories for you. I don't some people might fall asleep

1892
02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:16.720
on I think that people are going
to be very interested. Uh. My

1893
02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:21.000
listeners love episodes like this. Rick, thank you so much for reaching out

1894
02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:26.279
and I'm taking your time and this
has been just a really fun chat.

1895
02:05:26.439 --> 02:05:30.600
And keep me in the loop if
anything else cool happens. Man, I

1896
02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:31.159
know where to fun you. I
said, I don't go out look and

1897
02:05:31.239 --> 02:05:34.640
man, but I keep my eyes
spieled. Definitely cool. All right,

1898
02:05:34.800 --> 02:05:36.119
Hey, thank you so much.
To have a good evening.