Exploring the Bigfoot Legends: Personal Tales and Encounters (Encounter Archives)

0:00 All I pick society. We've had the privilege of talking to a gentleman. Tonay's name is Rick. He had approached me through Facebook, I believe, and he's got some interesting stories, uh, anecdotal evidence from over the years. Rick, how's it going. I'll let you take it from here. Doing pretty good, man, Thanks a lot for having me on. So I'm glad we can actually finally get together because you and I have kind of asked back and forth on this for a number of months. So it's been a long time coming. Yeah, so one thing or another. So so anyway yet, and not to be overly vague, but I live in Oregon. I've lived in the Oregon whole life, pushing sixty years almost, and it just had an interest in this topic for on Roger Patterson and and uh, mister Bob Gimmelin put a movie out and that's just been always intrigued with it ever since. So, you know, and over the course of that time, as Jeremiah and I have spoke, I've I don't have any hair raising encounters or stores for people, but over the course of time, I've I've met people, I've talked people, I've got a lot of good friends, and you know, over all these years, I just have a lot of stories that make me more of a believer. I haven't seen one.

1:15 I know, there's there's there's nowhars and believers out there. There's n'er say naysayers, there's people that are just don't know. And I don't know, but I've got to I hear enough. And I've been interested enough in the topic for well over half a century that I said, I've got some stories are kind of cool to me, and I've kept tracking over the years, and I guess, you know, it's probably good time to share some of those. I love it. It sounds like you're in a I mean, being in Oregon in general, doesn't matter where you're at, you're in a cool area. But it sounds like you're in a cool area. So I'm excited to hear you know you you you've brushed, You've brushed, you know, paths with with people that might be known to the Bigfoot community. But I'm excited to hear you know what you've You've gathered along the year so well, and and first fall. So I'm not a researcher. I spent a lot of time in the woods. I hunt and fish, and I my family and I have a lot of trail cameras that sit down in the mountains and all that. And again I've I've got no groundbreaking, earth shattering evidence that's gon be percented tonight. But I've got a pretty I said, a lot of interesting stories with a lot of people that there's a lot of people out there are never a believer until they became a believer or an owner.

2:27 And there's those that have chas their entire lives and never really satisfied their need to know. But yeah, we live right at the base mount hood. I've lived in western Oregon my entire life, yet Mount Saint Helens, Mount Adams, i spend a lot of times up in the northeast and Oregons or Paul Freeman, a lot of people most people know about Paul Freeman's well, I'm very familiar with that country. And I've just got little bits and pieces from all these other these areas. That's just kind of another piece is the puzzle, I guess, so to speak. So so what I put together is I've got the number of stories, again, vast majority of anecdotal, but that's that's all. The vast majority of those are second person These are acquaintances and or friends of mine that we've just I've you know, we've talked, we've had stories. So so if you don't mind, I'll start off.

3:14 I've kind of segregated this region by region, and then and then uh, you know, I said, I'll just kind of start that way. I'll start with some kind of miscellaneous and I'll kind of focus on a couple different regions, uh, that Northeast Oregon area obviously, the Pacific or the Mount Hood Cascade Range and up into Mount hesse Hounds and Washington as well. So so uh yeah, I'll start with kind of going chronologically as well. Some of the couple of miscellaneous ones A good friend of my little brother step brother. And again we're going back. This is probably back in the eighties, but uh and and he told me this story of years ago as well. But they were up in Montana, Lincoln, Montana, if anyone knows, kind of west central Tanna, and there was a lot of a lot of reports and stories and sightings of Bigfoot back there in Lincoln, Montana back in the mid eighties. So when I heard this story from my brother's friend Jeff, I was shooting was probably in the late eighties early nineties, and Bigfoot to me, back then, you didn't hear about Montana. You heard about Oregon, Washington, California, Canada. He didn't hear much about the Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever. But my brothers saw friend Jeff I remember him tell us one day after they'd gone back to Montana, I think, to see some family friends from the summer, summer vacation whatever outside of school, and we started talking and he knew we kind of had interest in Bigfoot and they'd done. I'm on a day hike out in the mountains outside

4:44 of Lincoln, and as I come walking across again some of these things I've kind of paint. The vision I have from the interpretation I have of the stories that I heard these people of the years is what's probably in the details he gave me. And then the way I picture it, they're they're coming back to their car. There's a kind of a big clearing on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber a couple hundred yards back of the car, and as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon early evening, some people in the in the trailhead start running at them, point and point and pointing. And in this scenario there had been there'd been been bigfoot sightings activity. And they turned around and Roger on the edge of the timber, they see this large, dark figure turned walk back in the timber on the trail or in the vicinity of the trail like it followed them out to the edge of the timber. And uh, and my and Jeff and his family had turned turned and they just saw this large back, black figure turning and walking back in the timber. So and really that's just kind of that's how a lot of my story is gonna be. It's gonna be stuff like that. But again, there's there's several of them. So well, see this is great, Rick, because I have listeners from all over and people are gonna be, oh, my goodness, Lincoln, Montana. Yeah, yeah, I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana. You know. Well, then great and and ultimately that might be how this all comes together, because I'll get in something. Actually, just a couple more down the line here Yellowstone National Park, on the east side of Yellowstone, Cody, Wyoming, there's a there's a number of reported sightings of stories come out of there,

6:15 Idaho. Same thing. I've the Bouman incident, which goes back way back, and Teddy Roosevelt talked about that. But again it's when I was growing up and younger, it was it was Oregon, Washington, California, and then get up into Canada as well. So and as as we see now, it's that's a if you want to call it, prefer to not. But it's not just Oregon, Washington, California and in Canada. So uh so, again, just since these are not so much specifically regional, I've just got a couple of miscellaneous stories so that that's the one link in Montana and back in their early to mid eighties. Probably a good friend of mine. I'll have a couple of references to him. Uh I have it outdoors when he's a non believer, and and we'll get to one histories a little bit later, more local, but a good friend of his that I've got to meet over the years. Again, a very simple story, but he was down and I'm kind of reading us of noses to go here, but down the one the Orton Coasts selects. River Orton Coast has a good history too. You don't hear a lot about it. They're they're driving along, driving the road down the Selects River and this is probably back in the early seventies now and just a tall black figure crosses the road in front of them.

7:27 Uh as as a lot of sidings are. You're driving at night and all of a sudden, bam, bam bam, two or three steps and that's that's the experience you have that the vast majority of the people in this country will never have. We're in this world for that. So so a crossing the you know the highway head done Selects middle of the night. They're not middle night, but probably And uh so, I said, it's a that's all. That's all I have on the story. But you know, it's just an acquaintance of a friend that had saw something that can you explain it? Can you not? Whatever? And then finally of my Miss Laning stories just has to do as Yellowstone as well. Probably about ten years ago, we used to go my family and I used to go to Yellostone my wife and our kids, and even prior to kids, we used to go to Yellstone quite a bit, ti once or twice a year. And again, having heard some of these stories, especially on the eastern boundary of Yellowstone.

8:18 Is actually some photos from around Old Faithful if anyone's seen those from a couple of years ago in the snow, possibly some bigfoots walking among some bison or buffalo on the trail system out on Old Faithful in midwinter. But this is on the on the east and northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw some very large impressions in the snow as we're driving through in two or three feet of snow in an area that typically deer and elk are not going to be that time of year, and we slowed down and I took a look at him. I didn't hop out, but it was just interesting because that section of eastern Yellowstone getting into Western Wyoming on the back side of it, uh has over the last number of years. I've I've seen heard and read several stories of sightings, encounters, whatever. So I just saw big impressions.

9:09 I just big impressions in what to me would be need a thigh deep snow crossing the road. So you personally did yourself, wow, Okay, how how far apart were those significant enough? So you see these photos from time to time in the snow Alberta, Canada, b C or wherever, and and deer in deeper snow will hop and post hole balance And I didn't get out and looked in those holes sure to see exactly what it was. You're you're you're in the Rocky mountains, You're in an area that's it's getting pretty dank, cold, and and the vast majority of wildlife migrate out of those higher elevations. And this is probably February is or so, probably near the peak snowpack, and just just to see the impressions. They're just big oval type of impressions and snow at a at a relatively at three to four footage type of distance. By that being said, also, I mean if something is stepping that you would expect maybe some tow drag dragons of snow.

10:07 And we didn't. We just slowed down. We went past those areas that area once and turned around, came back, and I just uh to specifically look at those impressions in the snow. It could have been a deer. They should not have been deer up there, not to say there wasn't. Most likely not up They don't typically hop like that, especially in snow environments so the plow their way through. There's biason up there, there's moose, but same thing. They're big, strong animals if they're living it than that there's plowing a trail through that. Oh yeah, definitely they're not. They're not hoping or postal on stockpic stotting or something like that. So it again, it was just it was just an observation driving through Yelson Park in an area that there there is recent history of experiences. Again actot what it was.

10:52 I didn't get out and looked specifically as it a five track, five two eighteen inch track and this riot it's just like it was probably some zero and you're like, I'll stay in the car. Yeah exactly, And and I've kicked myself from the butt ever since that I should have got out of least stick my nose in one of those suits. And the motto looks like right, you never know, right, And that's and that's a lot of people probably the same thing. You see some of these videos online. And why didn't they why they stop filming, why did they chase it or pursuit or they didn't go look at tracks while I didn't see it, creature, I don't know what made those I just those impressions, just know it in and out made it. So that being said, those are the more my miscellaneous. But I'll start focusing a little more on some of the more regional and closer to my part of the world, Western Ordy, Western Washington.

11:43 Uh. One of those Mount Saint Helens. Mount Saint Helens, Matt Adams Roger Patterson lived in ya Kamal, which is right in that same region, and that's doesn't doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. I guess he did a lot of research there. Uh so long the Columbia River. And I don't know how many littles listeners you have here and how many will see this later. I don't know how many live in the Pacific Northwest, how many are familiar with food all goes on out here. Some will probably know more than others. And I don't know it all buy any means well, on the Columbia River, there was a local little newspaper. This probably would have been the late sixties, and and my grandparents lived up there in a little town or a little that's out in the country outside of the local New Washoo, Washington. And uh, my dad and gone to high school up there and all that, And I remember the little local paper one day had a sketch drawing of one of the local guys who coincidentally my dad and got to school but sad. He's always kind of kooie dude. But he's driving up the highway on the Washington side of the Columbia River, which is the Columbia River Gorge. It's a big, beautiful natural feature and in the fog in front of him, he sees something leaning across the road, thought it was a tree, and as he approaches it, so this is this is the Skimminie County with skimmunity. County has a has a law that is illegal killed a sausquatch. And this is something I ken't from around the sixties or early seventies as a commune county ordinance or whatever. It's illegal to kill sausquatch and it's comunity County of Washington. So along the highway along the Columbia River,

13:16 the guy my dad and down to school with and sent the Pete wrote it up in the paper. If you drive along you see something looks like a tree land across the two lane remote little highway in the dark and as he in the fog and his he approaches, the thing continues to walk across the road. So so the paper comes out. They have a little sketch might head house with my dad and I know that guy, he's kind of a goofy dude in high school. But as a result of that, and there's been a number of sidings along that section of the I remember the highway sixteen or something, I can't remember the name of the highway number on that side of the Columbia. There's been a number of sidings in the Columbia River Gorge on that highways as well as across the Columbia River, which is a very large river on the Oregon side. It's a major interstate Free eighty four.

14:01 And there's been sightings on both sides of the Columbia River on these highways and freeways over decades. So but at that location, we're in the nearro that location where my dad's old high school buddy had seeing this creature, someone made a big plywood cutout, and so again we're talking. This is probably right around late sixties, nineteen seventy ish, and I've looked before. My dad took a photo of it. Yeah, I think he used to make slides out of these. I looked several years ago, but they made this big old cutout right of that crossing. So on that highway on the Washington side, there's this eight foot plywood cut out of a bigfoot and it was there for several years. It was really cool. I wish I could find the picture because Dad wanted to take a picture of me one day next shoar, I scared to death and guilt next to that thing and get my picture taken next to this big foot cutout. But I just remember it's just this big, kind of rudimentary, kind of painted up plywood cut out silhouette or bigfoot was sided and crossed the highway on Highway sixteen, Highway eighteen on the Washman side. So so that's going back to, you know, just a little bit of that history again. It's just kind of a neat little thing.

15:03 So but right around that time, my father and I went up to Mount Saint Helens matt Adams and that's also there's a wildness Aravida called the Indian Heaven Wilderness. Big time huckleberry picking again, a Bigfoot history from over the years. Big for society who will be right back after these messages and over the years, I'm talking over a couple of generations. So right around as I'm looking my dates, right around June of nineteen seventy one, my dad and I we were driving around. We just had he had an old a Ford Bronco was just we'd take it out the mountains all the time. And he used to run around that country quite a bit, and you know, he grew up there hunting and fishing and just chasing around just you know, getting in trouble. And this one's one of the more significant in my early stages of the interests and Bigfoot. Remember we went up on an old logging road on a north slope and we came up to the kind of the the top of the clear cut. It's all north slope, and there's some snow on the grounds. And that's why it was. It was early enough of the year that you could we could access all the roads to get up there.

16:27 But but and it was also I mean, it's late enough the year we could do that because the roads are melted out, but it was early enough in the year. There's still a big snow bank on that north slope. With this this ridge or mountain we were on and we parked the jeep or the bronco and as we get out and I'm young, I'm seven is years old or something like that, six seven eight, and we get out and there are there are these impressions all up and down this slope and I guess going from recollection, it is two hundred yards long, maybe three hundred just open slope are being logged. And the snow was probab anywhere from inches deep to maybe a foot or two. But there's these huge impressions that went down and up like three or four times up and down this slope. It wasn't people. They were melted out, and my dad's remind me as well, but it was just the location, the size of these melted out impressions in the snow. They were very consistent. I don't remember the stride length or whatever. And again you talked about deer earlier and their post tolling and jumping. A deer didn't jump all the way down the hill and jump back up and jump back down that hill three or four five times. And these impressions tracts, which again makes not doesn't make any sense to this day on what made them, and why but they just went up and down this big north slope snow bake three or four or five times, like what you call it. It was just it was weird. It was just they were big, big, melted out impressions in the snow. H Someone didn't walk up and down that thing? Uh? And if it was a big foot, why he walked up and down that thing? Who knows. It's just it's

17:59 always really stuck in my mind. So what did that do to your to your thinking in that moment when you like, were you freaked out? Or were you like, oh, I have no idea what's going on? So that and great question. So when I was younger in that age at six seven eight, and again Roger Patterson and Gimlin that that film coming out in sixty seven, sixty year when it was because they fail and ran it all over the place, I was terrified of the woods and I was pensive. I love gunning the outdoors and camping with my dad, so it didn't help. I had a tough time whenever we went out. We had a little a little tech trailer ocasion maybe ten camp whatever. I just and I was I had a tough time camping in the woods. The daylight, I was fine whenever started getting dark. I just uh, I didn't have had tough time sleeping. So so that experienced there again, that's the only thing I could think of. It was a big fun So my dad's one of those naysayers, and to this day, you know, he's and I'll get into some stories here, all a little bit later in some of the years that are like the Freeman location all that was a lot of time in La country as well. My dad has never seen or experience anything to even give him an inkling of belief. So even with those tracks, we've talked about those in the past, he's you know, he he doesn't know what the heck they were. And obviously at that point he was in his mid thirties or whatever. But now I was. I can't say I got any more scared, but I just kind of confirmed a little more that I can't sleep a night when I'm captain of the woods. That's just kind of what that came to you, right, Yeah, it's like a long time to get over

19:30 that. I'm bad man. That's funny. Yeah, So it is a definitive note by any means. But anyway, it was just it's another one of those little memories of personal experience. I just ran him and there to this day I really couldn't can't explain now how big the snowfield was. Again, I know it would have been right around June of twenty of that of that year. I again around in the seventy one. So just because of the snow commissions and all that, that makes litt sense to me. What made tracks down that hill three or four times? And at this point we'll never know, but some things made more sense than others. So up in that same country, uh so my step brother Brian, he uh my my parents' divorced when I was three. Dad got remarried a couple of years later, and so my step brother Brian, they had some I can't remember why, but they had some family I think a relations up in the Yakma area, which saying that Mount say Helen's, Mount Adams and yack Mills, where Roger Pattison and Bob gain Them both lived. Bob still does so somewhere right around the early seventies, there's a pass when you're coming from Oregon and having to cross go cross country, you go through a big Indian respervation, go over this it's called SATs Pass and that's not real high, it's thirty five hundred feet whatever, and dropped down the backside to the reservation. He hit a couple of communities to get to Yakoma. So uh and again this is

21:03 just from him. Uh. They're driving back in the dark. Here's with his father. So this is after mom and his mother and his father had separated. I think his mom and my dad might have been re married by then. But they're coming back through that area at night, and I'm just looking at my notes kind of refreshed my memory on it. Late at night driving back from Yakimaut to Portland in that state, has passed area and something large across the road in front of two lakes. Wow. And and once again, these these are areas that aren't random. These are all areas that have a history and that and that's all. It was. In the dark, young kids with their father and something something on two lakes, cross lakes, cross the road in the dark in front of them, And that's about all I got on that one. The The best thing about these story like stories like this is that the people in these stories have nothing to gain by sharing these stories like they're not going to become famous or get of money, Like they're just sharing hate. This happened to me, and like there's thousands of these. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get a couple of those here. And I've got twin brothers that are really good friends. But one can't tell the story to the other because the other one laugh at them. But we'll get to that in a bit. So these are then these are best my best friends. So but and that's it.

22:22 That's these stories have been shared with me just over the course of time, and most of them have never been shared beyond me. And so that is just because their experiences that most of them are really had spent more They've spent no more time even thinking about them. So this kind of attled randomly. So moving forward up in that same Mount Saint Helen's Mount Adams country, So another one now again I keep mentioning Mount Saint Helens, Mount Adams. That's kind of the region I'm working on here. But Mike, my grandpa grew up and working in the coal mines in Pennsylvania back when he was younger, moved out here, got married to my grandma, started their family, my dad and then his sister, my aunt. But my grandpa just he he loved hunting and fishing. And I'm talking to you're soalking now, probably the forties, fifties, sixties, and there's a whole different world out here back then as it was it, you know, entire country, in the entire world. So but Grappa Pete loved to get that in the outdoors. And I remember him telling me a story once and he did this. He hadn't he and I never talked bigfoot, saw squatch, whatever. But he's told me a story. It's a little interesting. And he's huting from that same country. This is back in the early days, just like Bluff Creek in California when that road is finally being encroached on, taking the bulldozers in building roads, logging, whatever. And I've heard things about like this, the different pitch on National Forest up premin in Saint Helen's that there was a pamphlet

23:52 put out and this kind of relates. But pamflet put out to employees back in the fifty sixties. Ever encounter anything you can't explain, do not share it with anyone. Something along those lines, because it was this was, uh this, these are forests and mountains that were just starting to be again encroached on. So not a lot of people, not a lot of roads, and a lot of access and loggings just start to happen. So and they've been for trappers and miners out here for one hundred years prior to But so my grandpa's out hunting somewhere up in that country. Whether it's deer or elk, I don't know, most likely yell and he's the story you told and he told me this story thirty forty years ago. But he's hunting and there's a heavy timber, very heavily thick forested out here in this in this part of the west, and uh, he sees a bear, and we have a we have a bunch of bears out here, a ton of black bears, one hundred and tens of thousan one hundreds of thousands. Sees a black bear. There's a little stream crossing with the log on it. So he's watching this bear and he's going to shoot it. Yeah, I'm just kind of surprised because back in that day they shot all us anything they could and as the bears and I don't know, what the distance was. If he was fifty yards or he has two hundred yards, it's heavy enough timber in that country. He probably wasn't it wasn't half a mile out as reasonably somewhat within the range and close. So as he's watched this bear, and if I recall CHRISTI and a grandpa, I had an old thirty thirty that did not have a scope on it matification. He's just shooting iron side, so he's just looking at it eyed eye. So this bear approaches this log, stands up on its hind legs and walk across the log to go across

25:26 the creek. And then after that I had whatever it dropped to all fours whatever. But now that's been thrown out there for years. So you saw a bear or whatever walking on the sign legs, Well, the bears don't tend to walk on hind legs. And if the bears approaching the log, he saw him his all fours walking across. But that's just one story that always stuck with me. I grap up Pete told him told me years ago he wasn't thrown out there. I think had a big foot sid and he just saying it is kind of a weird thing. He saw bears walk into the woods. He's looking at it, think he's shooting another thing stands up on its hind legs and and you hear stories of a big foot on all fours, typically more in a scurrying type of a man or whatever. It's just it was just another story, one of all these stores of Yeah, it's just some for the for the notes and for the record book. That's and again he made no references. He was from. He's that old school and worked in the woods a lot growing up, and like working the mines back in the coal mines and all that comes out here, and worked for the county parks, and it's been a lot of ouder woods. He didn't say anything. It might have been a big foot. He just told me a story about bear that stood on the sign the links across the logs across the creeks. Really weird. Yeah, and so that's why I throw it out. Strect makes no sense to me either. But what in the world And he didn't make it up? Yeah, why, I mean, there's no reason he would he would make that out, like right, So it was just a random story he told And what the what the what even got him onto that topic. And again this is going back. He has passed away a number of years ago now knowing whatever whatever he brought that subject up, I don't even recall, but that was what do you have for me?

26:57 So and again up in that same area, this is going back to shoot forty five is years ago now, and this is this could have been a bear or whatever, but it was a group of lakes. If therefore long there's actually a bunch of like trill popular camping and fishing. Again, this Indian Heaven Country was just between Mount Saint Helens and Mount Adams neat beautiful country, a lot of volcanic history and all that. We're up there one evening, my dad, my stepmother, my stepbrother, and sister and I would get up kind of on a log landing another kind of an older clear cut and I heard it moan in the distance. And now I've heard a lot of bears moan, and they're they're pretty vocal sometimes as well, And this could have very well been a black bear. But I'm again, we're up in some of the more active, I guess or historically active bigfoot areas.

27:49 And I went run back my dad, cause I kind of walked away from where we parked at the end of this trail or at the end of this road, and kind of got down to the edge of this log landing. It was. It was late in the evening, It's probably last half hour our daylight. And again this is again, this is an experience of mind, very active. It all. I have no idea it could what it was. It wasn't it. There were no news, wasn't an nothing. It's just a moan. And I was a young kid back then again very scared a big foot, very into bigfoot. We heard this, just this moan off in the distance, just kind of a bellowing, echoing moan, and go running back to my dad about fifty yards away and you hear that. Then we heard it once again. So again as I put together my notes so to speak, of stories and experiences and whatever, this one I just added to. It's just again, that was a long time ago.

28:36 I had not been I wasn't so wilderness an outdoors savvy back then. But it was just a moan to this day, and no one what bear sounds like. When it they're making they make some of their mating moans, and so they make there's a lot of calls, so the only thing I could have think it was outside of anything else. It could have been a bare moaning in the evening. It's just communication whatever. But the sound I remember hearing it wasn't It was wow. It echoed enough because it was a distance away. It wasn't a screen by any mean. It's just a moment it heard twise and you know the hill and what it was. Again, it could have very easily been a bear, but again my recollection that doesn't. I don't remember it sounding like what I typically have heard from bears in the forest and the noise that made over the earth. But that's all I've got on that. I can't tell you one way or the other. What actually heard wasn't a person, wasn't an elk or de or anything else.

29:25 But yeah, yeah, so I'm not guaranteed our thing big for society who will be right back after these messages. So that being said. A little north of that, the Cascade Mountain Range, which runs from British Columbia, Canada, down through Oregon and then it does kind of become the Sierra Nevadas get into California. The Cascades have a lot of history up and down, and there are rugged mountain range for the most part, A lot of volcanoes are on an edge of we talk tectonic plate. Some friends of ours, uh Will and Julie I'll call him, which is that that isn't your name?

30:14 But uh yeah, okay, And that's as far as we go there. And it doesn't matter right, And this is a random thing too. Someone asked, going back just a couple of years ago, name four or five, sixty years ago, someone says, you need to talk about to Will about their experience. And it's not like I go out there trolling for information from friends and acquaintances or we wife and I and a lot of friends and family are social, get out about it. But got to talk to Will. So next time we saw Will and in his and Julie's early days, and I don't have a specific time, I would say this is probably in the nineties, roughly they were up in the UH. I can't remember exactly what past. You have a couple of major pass in Washington go from the Seattle Tacoma area over to Yakama, heading to spill Can and all that.

31:04 I think the snowfall me past, but I can't be one hundred percent sure. But they had a truck and a camper and pulled over at this pass one night and again up in this country that even recently, there's a lot of activity. So they're in the camper and there's a little gap between the the truck and the camper, right and again of how much it could have been a couple of inches whatever. In the middle of the night, there's something reaching between their camper and the cab of the truck. Pickup s rummaging around in there, and they can tell by how far as reaching it is, reaching in a long, long ways between the cab and the pickup and the camper, and woke them both up, and I wonder what the heck, who's sprun around with this? But it was it was just kind of ominous and area enough for them that they just kind of held tight.

32:00 Again, I'm kind of filling in the blanks here. I can't recall it all the exactly meals. So in the in the morning, Will goes out there and he finds long red hairs and he said they're long, and they stalk and he's and he told me, he says, I've got him in an envelope somewhere. I don't remember where they're at, and I want to go find I got to go dig him out sometimes just long red hair, something digging in there between the gamber and the the cab of the truck and long hair, restinky red hairs as a result of it. So, but that being said, just that story alone made him a believer. And I didn't talk with his wife Juliet the time they're together, Not that that matters, but anyway, just another one of those little story things are just kind of randomly. Hey, you got to talk to Will about his story, and that's a story, and all of a sudden, he's he's a believer in Bigfoot. So that one is really interesting. Man, you said he he held on to him or yeah, he's he's got hairs battle in an envelope somewhere. I had this conversation with him, was a couple of years ago. Now I went four or five, six years ago, I can't recall. And we're we're we're friends with acquaints. This is not like we hang out, buddy, buddy. I haven't seen or talked to him, but I I had told him to go find that hang envelope. But whether or not and he's you know, he's got his trials and tribulations of life, just like all of us, I guess. So it's probably it's just again one of those people that probably had just that one particular experience in encounter and we'll never forget it but move on the f life as well. But

33:31 if Will does happen to find the envelope with the hair, there is a rock and Bigfoot DNA study that's happening down in North Carolina state. Really I believe it's North Carolina state. Uh, and they are taking all sorts of evidence. It was announced today as smoking out not friends, well all message. Yeah that's interesting. That's hey they will ever talk to across that envelope, But yeah, I've kind of curious as well. It's yeah, yeah, So anyway, like I said that, uh, that's the extent of that story, but still it's intriguing again. Moving on, So I mentioned earlier my stepbrother Brian, who had won him and his dad and I think then sister with something cross the road at between Jachmon Portland years ago. Whatever.

34:15 But his uh, his older son and and I forgot about this one, but and he just threw this at me randomly several years ago as well. But he's his friend's parents think they hit one with their car. And I don't exactly what or where whatever. I don't know. And again it's just a random conversation my nephew and I had several years ago. But is and they live up in the they're all up in this kind of the Seattle metropolitan area for the most part. But my friend's parents think they hit one of the car once. That's kind of that's like a huge statement to throw out, like I need I would love to try to talk to him, like that's wild and and who and who his friend? How much I questioned one. It's not like I'm trying to you know. I I got to go there tomorrow and yeah, review the location, even it was twenty five years old or whatever, you know, it's I can't remember. I don't even I really honestly, I don't remember that conversation outside of I've just kept these notes over the years, and all of a sudden, Matt came up.

35:14 So that topic so here the friend was, where it happened, How long go happen? I don't know. I mean, after all this, after we have this follow up with any, if any details you want me to try and gather a glean for you'll, I'll do what I can. Can't guarantee it on our thing, but uh, you know, who knows. Maybe maybe I get all the Creightons buddies, friends, their parents and you can talk with them. That's I feel like. I feel like if you're gonna say, yeah, we're pretty sure we hit a big cover with their car, you probably have more details, Like that's not just a sure sentence that you would you'd throw out without having more stuff to And that's interesting. Yeah, So whether the whether the Creighton's friend was with the parents and he was there when it happened, and then the friends said, hey, and I think we hit a big foot last night, and then create years later tells me Uncle Rick that my friend's parents think they hit a big foot.

36:06 So I don't know how, you know, how how stepless they didn't make it up, and the Creighton's friend didn't make that up to him. But again, that's that's all I've got for you at the moment. Wild And then finally, as far as the Mount Saint Helen's country goes Mount Saint Helens, Mount Adams as another gentleman, that's a prominent but it really stays below the radar here gentleman by the name of Joe b Lark. I was like, he's gonna say b Lark. He totally is, because Oregon Big for the Highway is such a good book. Yeah, I actually haven't seen it yet. I wanted I want to get it, and uh, Cliff, no, I've got no place to a couple of places and get it. But I want Joe to sign it for me. Yeah, you got personally as suppose because because because I think Cliff has them signed by Joe, but I don't want to get one signed an honestly, I want Yeah, I want to hold Joe's Handlin signs the name thing for me. So so anyway, that being said, I haven't seen it, but so years ago, and heck I'm looking now. Heck this is back in six I guess, so seventeen years ago. It doesn't seem that long. But I've been in communication some with Joe and Cliff back then, and I'm not buddy buddy with these guys, just random emails back in the day. As I've met them both on a couple of different caations over the years. But yeah, back in six, and it's probably the winter of five early o six, as an emailing with Joe might have been before even facebooks because we're friends on Facebook too. But Joe goes, hey, is, how would you like to be involved in a camp out? This is a scookm cast. You're

37:37 familiar scook and past cast and oh yeah, so and how many again? How many listeners are right now? I don't know, but hopefully times yeah time so and this is right after so scookum cast must have been four or five. Maybe I remember the exact year, but it was prior to this, so because I've dated here of June of six, but uh, because that's when I was up there. We were up there. So so the previous winner joees, hey, how'd you like to be part of a bigfoot camping? I'm so, oh cool. We'll give me your address, so he So a couple of days later, I get this mailing you is a pamphlet. It's an envelope about an inch thick. What the heck did Joe Bieler send us? And this was like a disclaimer. It was on and on and on, and what they're trying to do is kind of create some kind of habituation up near Scoop the meadows for the summer, and they wanted people to occupy the specific camp spot throughout all summer long and in different groups if you can commit two days, three days, a whole week, whole month, whatever. But they just wanted to have a continual occupation of this camp site. So that so once I started reading this documentation, we had two young boys then in a young chocolate lab and I was reading. I said, oh, craft, they want to scope there. They want us to go up there alone. That does would be a big, big shindig of five ten, fifteen twenty bigfoot enthusiasts. Oh no, we got to go up to Scoop them metals and camp out by ourselves, kraft honey.

38:58 So we end up doing it and had a great time. And actually, actually I mentioned I've got some photos since things there. But there's another gentleman. Do you know Rick Nol that ring a bell? Yeah, dude, Well I don't. I've never met Rick Nol, and I know how he's involved with things. Yeah, totally. So so we go to Schook and Metals, like I said, and this was this would have been in the winter that we were making these arrangements to participate, so we picked as like a four or five day window. I came, took our trailer up and had the physic spot to go camp and all that gated road behind, had my mountain bike, had the young Lab chocolate lab, had my boys who were so we're seventeen years ago, so like seven and five, I guess. And we fell farther around for a couple days, went out, did some wood knock and all that, and right up behind our camp up a login road. There's a lot of old log in history up there. And uh, right up behind camp you go one hundred tw hundred yards up it's gated and probably a hundred yards from camp on the road. I'm off the main forest road that we camped. There's this there's there's this very rough copy of a sign there with a rough sketching. You have a bigfoot I guess you want to call it, and I can't share with you now, but it's something that I've got right here, historical Bigfoot activity zone and underlined and bold letters. Be aware. So is that I go riding up behind camp?

40:21 Also this is yeah, this is a sign there. She just had to go give a wife and get the kids come up and I took a picture and all it is really pretty cool. So knew we're going the right We camp on the right spot anyway, So one of I think our last morning there was a road that kind of continued to the east fromy camp and took the young lab out had to go. We went out in the early in the morning. Everyone's still crashed out and we probably went about two miles up. This is a good gravel road. It right goes right up along scook and meadows and a mile and a half two miles. It's gated. You know this is it's a seasonal gate. It can open close. So a dog and I go up there. Then we got up to a side road and I'd love exploring again that there's a lot of help sign up in there. I just, you know, always thinking hunting. I don't I don't love to kill there. I love to hunt and pursue and be out there. So we took this little side gravel road and went up there little ways half miles shown it's getting the point where we're about ready to turn around.

41:22 The pup she's she's I don't know, she's five six seven months old, just full of pee and vinegar and energetic and bouncing all over her. And so we've been gone an hour or so hour and a half and go up the side gravel road. It's all flat. It's just kind of a high valley scook and meadows there, meadows and swampy stuff all around. And to go up the side road and uh, there's a little cut bank on the right hand side of the road. As I'm as we're wandering through there, I looked up on it and I go, you've got to be crapping. I didn't say crapping, you know, crap end up on the side hill. This is cut bank, maybe five or six feet tall. There was this impress You couldn't see the heel side of it so much, but the upper front port part there's there's an impression seventy inches wide with toe indentations on it. One flat impression. Walking this cut bank going up and I got you so had my had my phone with me. I think it was a phone, might have been a who knows, it could have been digital camera. Probably was the digital camera. Put my foot next to it, took a couple of pictures and all and my young lad she's bouncing all over the place. I'm getting a little kick. I didn't bring a leash for because nowhere didn't be leash. She didn't get more than ten twenty feet for me. But she's just jumping all over, up and down my legs and I'm afraid scared of this. She's going to jump on this. And this impression was it was like it was on wet a wet substraight or you know, wet kind of a hill and now it's bone dry. It's again it's probably in late June, and it was pretty. It was not a fresh

42:52 fresh impression had been there for a while, but it was soft enough that this impression had been made there with that looked like I e can count five to was on and you just see the forefront of it again. That just kind of the the look, the way the impression was. The backs. I didn't leave a whole lot and uh, I said, you gotta be get me. This was like a dang bigfoot track walking up this embankment one step and then up on top of the cut bank, and dog's bouncing all over and trying to take a picture, and she's jumping around because all she wants to do is love and play and jump on you. So it took a few pictures from my foot next show. Then we bailed out of there and meet our two to and a half mile track back to the camp.

43:32 Told my wife about it, and I had some cashing material, but it was just far enough away, and I questioned it. There were some things about the track I wandered about, and it's a lot. So got back home that night. The following day emailed Joe by Lart sent up a picture. Was holy crap, says and I had heard of Rick Noll's name. I'd never met it before and didn't hadn't heard a whole lot of It's one of those guys again, kind of another radar. So we made arrangements two weeks later to meet Rick Nola and this in the middle of the Gifford pinch On National Forest. It's actually, I mean, of all the time we'd been up there, we'd seen like two vehicles and four or five days of camping up there. It doesn't get a whole lot of traffic. So wife and I went up there like on a Thursday or Friday and met Rick up there and and walked in there. Well, there'd been some thunderstorms. So it's that's summer thunderstorms up there. And uh, And I told him I was a little concern. Now he's come from the Seattle area, and he didn't seem to be as concerned. I said, man, I know this.

44:30 We get some pretty good thunderstorms and some pretty good showers out of him. He didn't think he'd be an issue. Well, we make the stroll back up in that area, and again it said roughly walk. It's all get like I said, it's all good gravel, forest, roaders is gate. And as we got back up in there and in that in addition to that, there's a lot of growth. There's some of the mountain looping. It was a cool flowering plant, some other stuff. Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages. So as we got to that cut, man, I guess I can swear this where it was, and you can maybe see a little impression the little definition where I thought this might have been it. And and Rick was up there, he's walking around.

45:22 He walked up on the cut bank and looked back in there and all that he is telling us all his stuff and tell us about some of the different to us tracking methods that are kind of cutting edge back then some different things are playing with whatever. But again it's just that what I saw the two weeks previous, and I was there, we just could not find it well. I took pictures of what I thought was it, and as I came back home compared the pictures. Yeah, we were the exact same location where the impression was just the rain from two weeks earlier. And again one of the little plants are a little looping and led from this to like five or six inches, So it was the same exact plant they'd grown the same thing as just the thunderstorms. The summer thunderstorms had just come. You know, who knows you a half inch inch or to a ragin and a short period of time when that happens. So we were right there, just there was nothing for him to really see outside of the photos i'd take a few weeks ago. But I said, Joe Bieler wasn't excited enough to send Rick Nol up there to mute with it. But just you know, summer thunderstorms kind of and exactly what it was, I don't know. I'll see you the picture sometimes, but it's yeah, that would be awesome, and you have pictures of the sign too. Yeah, oh that would be so cool.

46:31 So is this after so they would have been as Okay, the Scuogum cast was cast in September of two thousand, Okay, so this is like a few years after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew it was after. I didn't just a little bit of six years. Yeah. Yeah, it's not tip bead. That's really that's such an interesting story, Rick, like wa anyway, so I had to jump the Joe, the Joe Bieler name. That's awesome, dude, that's an amazing like talk about being involved with Rick Noll and that for Bigfoot history. That's really cool. Yeah, he didn't just seem to be too terribly impressed with it all, but the fact that he just kind of missed the boat by two weeks. And again I don't know what I found there, but yeah, when you see the pictures, you might how how close to the did you work? Were you aware of where the sight of the actually scuoku castro? Sure? I think we were with in less than a mile. I think was the road slightly to the south of where we were camp that we would have driven by as we were close on it were. We were camped right next to Steek the Meadows so sore that the where that that cast was made was not in Scook the Meadows is on off the side of the road nearby. But now I'm sing, I'm thinking we're where we were camped. It was all trapped triangulation wise. That's amazing. That's such a cool, cool story. Yeah, it was just kind of like I said, it's Joe Bilart connects and all said, Okay, that's cool. Joe worrying with Joe Bilart that he says it's this thing, and we got to camp by herself. We're not part of a big camping. I go, okay, great, whatever,

48:06 but we survived and I and I may have found the track, so I've got plenty more. Are you still with me? I'm still with you, dude. I mean, dude, I've been doing this for five years. I'm still all. That's how I'm gonna switch regions now. All right, this goes to the northeast Oregon, southwest or southeast Washington, the weenaht Two Cannon Wilderness area. This is Paul Freeman Country and the Milk Creek Watershed. And again I'll go as chronologically as I can with this, most of this pretty much. So. First of all, the Mill Creek Watershed is uh the watershed for the city of Walla, Walla and Paul Freeman, they've patrolled it for for decades to people out of the Mill Creek Watershed and uh to water purity, you know whatever. In Walla, wall it's not a huge town. Mine means a scroung tremendously in the less generation or so. But they just protected it like crazy. Yeah. Yeah, and Paul Freeman was a what they they have water watershed patrollers. So it's it's close to public entry the watershed is and it's a it's a hole. It's uh. They give out elk tags in the straddles Oregon Washington border. They give it at elk tags, which are very highly coveted elk tags because they just give out a few. So the elk and grow these the bulls and there grow big mature because they're they're lightly hunted. No one's in there bugging them all year.

49:29 You have like five or seven days out of the year that they have these hunts in there, and and they're very difficult tags to get. They just again they just allow a handful of hunters in there, so it's just a coveted tag. People sneak in to poach because these big mature buwllelp they hang out in there. And so they've got these patrol riders that spot and scopes. They ride horses to the watershed. They patrol the boundary. That's just big rugged country. You get along the upper perimeter of this, the canyon drops off like that. It's that's sixty seventy. I've always joke you don't want to drop your bowling ball out here because you'll never get it back right. And it drops this canyons drop two or three thousand feet deep. It's just a big, beautiful country and obviously what an ideal area for anything to live and not be bothered. So Paul Freeman was a one of the watershed patroller work a force service employee watershed patroller, and this is where he had the siding while he was employed by the Four Shops. See, he may not have been on duty that day, I don't call it exactly, or a couple of times he's had encounters or sidings whatever, But but I fortunately I got to grow up so where the watershed is on the cross roof.

50:31 From there is this big well. Necessaria is one of the first wildness areas in Oregon. Though we know how to Cannon Wilderness. Once again, no roads. It's open to public enttry, but it's by trail only. You can't take bikes in there. You can't take a chain slot you can you can you can hike it or ride at bikes. And again, very rugged country, beautiful, awesome country, and there's just a bunch of history up there bigfoot so and I was fortunately because that's where my dad was hunting back in the day. He had applied for that Milk Creek watershed tag and about every ten twelve years he get the tagged down in the Milk Creek watershed. And my uncle had horses, and if they weren't hunting in this watershed, they were hunting over the in the wilderness on horses. They packed in eight or ten miles in the middle of the wilderness. And said, I was just fortunate being back in my early days on I got to go hunting this very remote Christine country in northeast Oregon. So some friends of my grandparents, Jeane and Zola Howard, and again this is going back decades. The watershed rider back and I'm looking, this must have been in the seventies.

51:32 Is the guy by the name of Red. And then this is this is kind of a secondhand story from this Gene and Zola that they told my dad when he was younger than my dad told me, but Jean would be in the hot droughting, solo hounded. But they knew Red the watershed rider from Milk Creek Watershed. And this Red told I'll kind of this is kind of verbatim, I guess more or less. But this Red told Jean Morris, he goes what he lives. He lives there. This is in the Milk Creek watershed, talking about big Quick. He lives there. We know each other. Says, I don't bother him, he doesn't bother me. Wow. So that's coming from the seventies Milk Creek watershed. Now that being said, sidings up there a Milk Creek watershed and then they can climb up out of the watershed and cross the road and be into these other world ins aerias, big remote canyons and whatever. And that's where there's been sidings back and forth couple of years. Again, the watershed is not open to the count unless you're a watershed patrol rider your accessing almost year round outside of the deep snow winter months. So anyway, yeah, that was that was That was what redhead to say. What happened to Red to make him say that, like, that's all I yeah, I mean you and again Jen as I yeah, and and uh and this Gen and Zol and again Geena Zola were my grandparents' friends that lived up out outside of Washed Sugar, Washington. Yeah, and Gene I think was more than Hunter. Hunter was my grandfather.

52:53 So yeah, what what caused or created that? Can that conversation back in the seventies between and Red the watershed rider higher the idea because I'm going to throw a couple other stories that you have already counters and experiences in talking and conversations with these most recent watershed patrollers. Oh okay, who will totally negate anything you say about it, but we'll get to those. So that's why it was a good thing. We're kind of doing this region by region. So anyway, that was what I Red had to say it we know each other. I don't bother him as a bother. Mean, later on in nineteen seventy nine, roughly October seventy nine, which would have made me fifteen. And so my unkle again, my unk lad horses. Him and my father are hunting partners or hunting buddies. So we'd drive into this remote little campground on the edge of the wilderness. Then we'd take horses in roughly eight is eight to ten miles high. Ridge is a get just tree, very few people back there. You had the whole you had a wilderness area.

53:49 But I wouldn't say to yourself because Elkon was pretty popular back then. Anyone could get a tag. But still is just kind of uniye kind of experience. And here I am a teenager getting opportunity to go back in there. So there's a canyon back in there, and I hesitate to name it, so I won't because there's we have another I have another story that kind of follow along. But to get back in the wilderness. One of the canyons. We get back in there on this long ridge and you had some canyons. Then these canyes are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your bowling ball back there. But my father and I hunt it down in the bottom of this one canyon one day and as we were. And you don't go in the bottom of these canyons unless you really got it, because once you get in the bottom, you have to get your butt out back to camp. It's it's not forgiving country. It's beautiful and I was a young kid back then. I'd love to go out there these days, just to see it from my perspective and age now, because I haven't been in there in probably thirty plus years. But anyway, this particular canyon, we get in the bottom of it and again we're l hunting, and as we're working up the bottom, there's game trails and stuff, and we're working at the bottom, and all of sudden we get to an area it's getting the mid mid afternoon whatever weather's really nice for this is late October too, when the elk seasons are in the bottom, and all of suddenly we get to a spot we're going to start climbing back out of the canyon. And I worked.

55:07 I'm talking good hour high can probably closer to too, because this just it's just a non stop grind climbing up out of there, and we get to point the bottom where all a sudden, all the games sign Elk's sign in particular, but there's there's all kinds of other stuff from there too, But all of a sudden, it's just the trails just kind of even though there's trails, and then there's just like no sign and it became just dead quiet. And I remember to this day and my dad made the same comment back then, it was just an eerie and again, you're in you're in the bottom of the canyon where the bottoms, the walls on both sides are going up. We're at the bottom of this canyon. It just became just an eerie feel down there. And again this will play into another story here in a bit. And Dad made no birds, it's just no life.

55:52 Was just it was just kind of an eerie, dead quiet, silent canyon bottom and h and then we proceed to climb out and that was it. But I just remember that because it was just I've never been so tuned in to know, I think that something's watching me or whatever, and whether it's my wife or a big foot or a cougar or whatever. I've never had those senses, I don't think. But we're in the bottom there and it's just it was just weird. It was just some weird, dead calm, silent canyan bottom. So we climbed out of there and that said, that's really kind of the end of that. So a year later we're back in that same country the end of October night. This has been roughly I think nineteen eighty and this canyon is probably four or five six miles long, and it's just kind of from the headwaters where the drainage sharks. It just kind of worked its way way way down to the river. But we were up at the upper end of the drainage on a pack trail and we're hiking out one day and we got to the the head and we had a breeze kind of coming up that drainage, and we had a section there where we had like an ungodly and it was midday, the thermals and all that, the air starting to get warm up, is warming up and rizon but is it's working its way up that drainage. We're going through a little patch of tamber, some open hill side, and we got to a section there where it just it was just a deathly stink, gain stench. There's elk hunters in there. Someone could have killed an elk down in that little patch of timber

57:23 below us a couple of hundred yards, and in a couple of days later they guts and whatever might have been getting rotten, And it might have been, but it might have been just working its way up with that afternoon breeze or whatever. I don't know, but I just always remember that stench coming out of the same canyon that we had this little eerie experience down deeper the previous year. So what it was we smiled on. And the thing is is we walked, We went through about a fifty yard maybe one hundred yard section of this trail, and all of a sudden we're out of the So we were within the cone of whatever is caught the cost of this odor. We just kind of went to the cone and walked through it within a minut or two and then you're out of it. But it was just kind of it was just kind of stomach for smell. It very easily could have been an elk that some wanted harvest down there and plane and then we're just smelling what left because the body parts don't think smell real good if they've been sitting out in the cuner now aging for a couple years, especially through outside your body so so so. Yeah, just the statch, the strong smell at the head of that canyon. Roughly ten years later, we're hunting the same general area in the wilderness and uh, my dad heard tree knocking. You know, we'd split up. He was on a side canyon. So this is roughly October again elk season of nineteen ninety and it's just a continual He and I were separated by a mile tare. I think i'd made a hunt around into another canyon, working my way back up to where i'd meet him.

58:52 And he's on this little side canyon, kind of brushed toy, little timbered canyon. Again, it's all wildhems area, and I heard chopping. He said, it sound like someone cutting wood. Just con chop, chop, chop, and it was off and on. It was kind of I don't remember if there's a cadence to it or whatever, and but it was a wood knocking type of sound. And it was at an area there was anyone camped or cutting firewood. And I think righty forgot to my dad. He was as he's working his way kind of up into this drainage, this timbered drainage, he saw a bowl elk down. They're kind of coming from the same area where the chopping sand was coming from. But elk elk. When they they do bang trees with their antlers, especially, not any bulls do. They knocked the velvet off late in the summer during the route, when they're in the rating season September early October, they will they will rake trees and all that, but they don't chop. You don't chop chop.

59:43 They they they scraped and rabble their antlers like crazy. So so this this sound is chopping went on for quite a while at You know, whenever you hear about wood knocking, you don't hear about the repetitive knocking for hour an hour or so. So it's just we heard he heard wood knocking. That lasted like off and on for an hour. Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages that we know to canalos again, what the answer was could have been that bull elk, But that doesn't make a lot of sense. That's not typically the kind of knocking they do with their antlers on wood. But again, coming all out of that same that same country and smells and feelings and sensations and then knocking, it's very weird. Yeah, all of that same area over ten years. Yeah, well, and for for decades prior to and obviously decades after, there's been you know, sightings and stories encounters coming out of there. So I just say again, there's a piece of the puzzle, like, yeah, I don't have a specific answer for them, but I do have actually a little better answer kind of plays into all that. So it was right around It might have been that same year. It might have been a year after we were hunting deer in southeast Oregon. Real I've seen my picture of Kolomen and now out that

1:01:19 you've seen in the last so it's not that big deal. There's a highly coveted deer tag in southeast organ called the Trout Creek Mountains Rifle deer Tag. Takes about twelve to fifteen years aget. It's all high desert. It's five six seven eight thousand foot desert country, aspens and all that stuff. Not Bigfoot country, even though it's near the jar Bridge in Nevada, which has some history as well. But but the thing is is an ironic meeting. Again, this is right around the same time. So Dad and I are down there hunting. You know, it was either it was around eighty nine to ninety ninety one. Again, it would probably been early October, where Elp seasons are late October. The deer seasons are typically like the first week of October. And we're driving around. It gets to be midday, it's it's getting pretty hot out over and all of a sudden, I can't remember this, this rigulars park there and we drove up on them, or we were parking there, drove on this here, and all of a sudden, well here pops out these two good old, good old boys. And then I'm talking head. We're talking thirty three thirty three years ago. We're out a couple of good old boys. Well, we start talking with them.

1:02:19 Then they live up in the Pendleton Milton Freewater area, which is right up there on the edge of the Blue Mountains, which is the Milk Creek watershed. We had on two cannon wilbiness. So we start chit chatting with them and find out their cattle. They're their ranchers, I remember their cattle rashers or wheat ranchers or what. So they start talking about that that country up there and they hunt up in that country. My dad goes and as they're saying the story. I go, hell, so my dad five's in goes, well, that's where he hunts and been hunting up there for thirty years in the wildness. So I remember this one almost verbaede him as well. So all of a sudden, one of those cowboys and these guys, so thirty three years ago, my dad would have been in this mid fifties. These guys are probably the seventy ish and and all of a sudden, one of the guys kind of stops it, kind of tilts his head and asks, my dad, did you ever see anything in there? And so my dad kind of caught me off guard, this old cowboys saying this when we're out in the high desert of southeast Oregon, we're two hundred miles from the Dayfoot country, And he just kind of stepped forward, you ever see anything in there weird or something? And my dad kind of takes a second and goes, I mean Bigfoot. And again, my dad's not a believer by any means, but just how he even responded that way, I expect he probably would, especially with a question like that being asked. Yeah, And so the guy goes on to tell us and they talk. They know Paul Freeman, both these ranchers. He's done some work with the ranches over the years. Is just kind of a big, old, easy going, happy go like a guy. And said that they had been approached back in those days by some researchers of some sort I don't remember specific. I mean they

1:03:49 were bigfoot research. About what their credentials were I don't recall. But so I can't remember both the cowboys or one of them had, but they had contact or they had been in touch with these cow boys there. This cowboy slash cowboys wanted them to take these researchers into them. We know how to canon wilderness. So one of the cowboys did take them in and took them into the canyon I was referring to earlier where I had this weird, this weird eery sensation, my dad and I where I heard the smell, the stench. The year later, they they took these researcher guys into the bottom of that canyon. Coincidentally, and then and I remember, this is this is the word for word thing. The cowboy looks at my dad says, as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. Wow, So this is just like I said, some seventy year old cowboy dude from the Blue Mountains that we meet in the high desert of Oregon that has taken researches into the bottom of this canyon in the wilderness, and as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. So probably one of the more interesting stories I've got. They said they found tracks that looked like family three, a large track, a smaller track, and then a small one. They said it looked like the small one and the big one got into a major battle ground torn the heck just rotor Tilda. But I also remember the cowboys saying there was there was poop feces there, and he goes for some reason, those researchers didn't take a sample. Man, I this is this is crazy,

1:05:21 Rick, because I'm like, this is where I know someone in the comment is going to be like, come on, Jeremiah, that was totally this researcher in this reason put it in the comments so I can know. And again I'm talking this was right around nineteen ninety, so we're talking obviously a while back, and when that experience or encounter happened where this cowboy took these researchers in to the way out to Canadallerness let the bottom of the canyon. I don't know how far previously, and I can't remember when when, let me see, Paul Freeman had his siding or his first encounter at least like an eighty three ish, I think, yeah, well it was your couzy was June eighty two, Okay, year a walla while, yeah, so pretty much. Yeah so and I'll get to that too, because I've camped at t Dutch Springs many of times. So but anyway, they said, this is just this random encounter. We meet a couple of old culture cowboys out in the night desert and it ends up as sure as I stand in here, that thing exists. That's amazing. Yeah, so wow, and that's I mean, I worked for word. I remember that the ethics, So now who the guys were. And then the conversation swayed from there and then they had deer tags that took him ten twelve, fifteen years A yeah, we had deer tags took us equally as long. And then hey, guys, that's the luck. And that was basically the end of our conversation meetings. So that's an incredible. Yeah, so so fast forward. I had a special elk tag up in that country a couple of times now,

1:06:54 probably ten years ago, eleven years ago, and we met a couple that live up up Milk Creek. So you have the Mill Creek watershed where it comes out of the watershed area that's close to public entry. It drains, I don't know, it runs fifteen miles until it hits the Walla Walla River near the Tannel Walla Wall. I think hits Walla Walla River. It could be Two Ship River too, but Mill Creek as a leak comes out of as you leave the Tannel Walla Wall and start heading up into the foothills of the Blue Mountains, it wanders. It goes along the Washington side, then it kind of winds up into winds down into Oregon, then curls back up into the watershed. And we met a couple. I won't go on all the details how we met him, but that lived right on Mill Creek, probably within five miles of the watershed, and they live right on the creek.

1:07:39 We had a mutual friends who are so random it's kind of silly. And we're sitting on this cool little Creek and early fall ten years ago, eating watermelon, had a bear or two, and this topic big Foot comes up because they live. He's a dirt bike rider. He's got buddies at dirt bike and they ride their quads all around the on the roads between the watershed and the wilders. Huh, Wendy and Mark and wend eat so so uh. One evening we're down to their house along Milk Creek and it's a warm evening and I said, it's probably it's probably early to mid September now, so it's not too late in the year, but nice are getting cold. The days are getting of warm still, and the topic of big Foot comes up. And Mark, who owned a local motorcycle dealership in Walla, Wallat and his wife silly and goofy neat yal. He doesn't he's not a believer. She's a believer. Now again, we're talking this roughly ten years ago, so Mark, Mark is not a believer. But he told us a story. And they've got they've got a couple of acres. The the gravel road that goes up Mill Creek and go take you up into the forest splits their property. So their house is on one side, were along the creek side, then across the proper. They've got an acre or too.

1:08:50 He's got some big boulders and some mumpsy right, his dirtis and does all kinds of crazy stuff there. So he said a number of years early, and I can't remember how how many years earlier they were out there one evening, early two thousands. And it's kind of brushy and timber. And as you get up across the creek across the property, it starts the hill climbs up, just probably goes one and fifteen hundred feet up. It's all south face of the slope and slow inough elevation. It's all pretty much open grassy hillside for the most part. You get the sun hits it. It's hot and dry in that part of the state, especially during the summers, and there's little brushy drainages and draws that come down. But down along the lower part there's quite a bit of timber. So again this is mark. The husband is not a believer, he says in the evening, And again I don't have a ton of specifics on it. Again, roughly early two thousands, a deer came running down off the hill through the trees and comes flying right by them, and he runs across their property and they look up in the trees where the deer came from, and it's just to the north.

1:09:51 They caught a glimpse of what looked like a chimpanzee. And that's again as I'm looking and says he's not a believer, but to this day he questions what they saw. And I can't reme wife Wendy saw the same thing or not, But I said, wife, Wendy's a believer. He's not, but he's he told me that one story. This deer comes flying across. There's a lot of deer down. There's a lot of white tailed deer in the lower elevations. You got mulder up higher, most likely as a white tail. Who knows. But the team came just flying across and they look up where it came from, and it looks like a chimpanzee. Small some fat is really weird and he's not a believer, but he saw a chimpanzee.

1:10:31 Wow, Rick Island a couple more than I'm gonna move on to local stuff. You still with me, I'm stude, I'm still here. I'm here, man, I'm just where as I like sharing this stuff. It's pretty cool. This is the stuff he can't find in books, and it is time if I love I don't think he can find it in books, right, cool it? No? No, definitely not only only only big book, only book. Ever, it's called nix Sel spreadsheet. Hey, there you go with this stuff. So up in that same country, this is one personal experience. Uh, it's cool. A little lake up there called Jubilee Lake, and we went camping up there. This is oh wait, July fifth, oh wait, and my wife actually came across some pictures we were looking at today. So my are my I keep saying, my boys are boys sixteen fifteen years ago, so nine years old and seven roughly.

1:11:27 We went out one morning. We had twenty two rifles and went out just just target shoot now and they're getting young. I want them to every little experience you can of being in the outdoors and going shoot twenty two. It's kind of to ride a passage. So we went south to Jubilee Lake a couple of miles and again this this whole area up there, from Jubilee to Deduct and the whole Blue Mountains has a ton of history. We go out and there's a place I can't remember us called Big Sink or something like that. A couple of drainages increase it come off and they kind of head off the backside of the Blue Mountains, the east side of the Blue Mountains, heading towards the town of Elgin, so kind of a general area. And how many people even know that there, I don't know. But we go out mid morning eleven ish or so and go out just the plink twenty two is for half hour so and leave mom at camp and so she can babysit the dog. I'm in do wall with us or not? So we go at me and gravel roads south of Jubilee Lake head to the east a little bit of mile or two and found a little logging road that was closed off. We drove like fifty yards down. It's gated off, which is fine, and I can't remember we put some targets out there. So behind us on the to the north is a big timbered patch hasn't been logged and in sizeable little creek crane is coming through. And again this is this is even though it's something I experience or we experis is very anecdotically, have no idea so we go out there and start shooting the twenty twos. Plink plink plink. Boys didn't know anything. And there's again the heat of the day, start to warm up, a little high mountain breeze, and there's squirrels and chipmunks and there's birds playing around. But after I heard the first one,

1:13:00 it caught my attention. I didn't at first, but yeah, yeah, my dog's getting all excited outside. And now there's birds that can make a whooping noise. I don't know exactly what birds they are, just they said that this started when we started clinking the twenty twos, and it was it was. It was way off to the north, one hundred yards away, coming from that big patch of timber. And then then I got a second series of three or four whoops. And again midday, mid morning at lieutenish eleven o'clock or whatever. So again I just I heard whoops, and the boys, whether they heard them or not, I can't remember if I even pointed him out. Then I think I heard two series of three or four whoops each and that was it but for the archives, so I just made note of it. But I heard whoops. It could have been a bird and it could not have been not saying what it was or was what it wasn't. But up in that part of the world, you just have to I said, I just I just documented make notes a night. Now move on. So Mill Creek Watershed, which again is close up public entry for all but like seven days out of the year for all hunters, it's outside of the wilderness riders they're the wilderness patrol. I kill it though.

1:14:16 Yeah. So back in nineteen ninety six, my father and I had the elk tag for the Milk Creek Watershed. Again, this is a high they committed tag. It takes ten, twelve, fifteen years to get the darn thing. And uh the watershed rider gal then her name was Rowena and she had been She had worked for outfitters and guides for most of her life, so she was she was a horse gal. She was an outdoorsy, she guided, she can't cook, she did all kind of stuff, and she was if I didn't get lost in the woods or needed to be defended the woods. This this is the gal I wanted to be there. She was the rough and tumble gal didn't take crap and her my dad or her my father got along grade. They just chit chatted. We talked with her a couple of times, and I just remember my dad bringing up the topic because my dad's always been interested in the topic in Bigfoot. He's not, i said, not a believer by any reads not says doesn't believe, but he doesn't really believe, but he brought up topic. My dad will bring up a million topics during a conversation, but he brought it up with the throwing.

1:15:16 And again, I think I'm going back to about nineteen ninety six, and she just and and she's because there's there's a couple of pack trails that go up through the wilderness or excuse me, through that watershed big for society, who will be right back after these messages. Again, there's no public access or entry outside of the one week out of the year. Sure, and over the course of time, a lot of those trails, there's three or four of them, They go up a couple of creek bottoms and then up on the ridges. And this is what Growing and the other watershed patrollers have used over the years, just riding through the watershed. But for all intentsive purposes, they should never encounter anyone there and that's her mean purpose is to keep people out of the watershed, so they typically patrolled the perimeter of the watershed. I suppose the part of it that she'd ride the trails.

1:16:13 She loved ridding horses, so she'd ride those trails often enough. But there's a lot there's no real maintenance up there, so in the winters are rough and brutal, and just the nature of the mountains, trees fall down, downfalls, brush grows up and all that, so some of those trees have slowly just disappear over time. So I think she just had a couple of trails she did like to ride, and then the rest of the time is just driving vehicles up around the perimeter of the higher elevations and just making sure that trying to keep making sure people just aren't stinking the watershed border a purpose or reason. But anyway, my dad didn't bring up the topic with her, and she's yeah, she was adamant. Now then going back to my conversation or my story earlier about Red the patrol rider back in the seventies, Yeah, you know each other, and I don't bother him, he doesn't bother me. So Rowena says here that I've she's been patrolling at that point in ninety six, she's been in patrolling. I think she was down there her last year or two prior to retirement at that point, and she's been patrolling for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years. I've never seen anything that was her story. So now there's a Hispanic gentleman. I can't remember his name.

1:17:15 I've talked with him a couple of times and actually encountered him last last year and end of August. Big guy. Uh. He takes his job extremely seriously because also he is a floor and service she's a four service employee. And some of the roads around there, you can't have a TV side by sides dirt bis unless there's pre legal and licensed, and he's he enforces that lot of the tea. So he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping people out of the watershed, he does actually patrol some of the adjacent forest roads up there. He had a lot of people up there with some dirtbike trails that are real popular, but you can only stand on those trails. So anyway, I said, I ran into him last yek Hit chatted about previously about eight years earlier. We had another tag up there, my my wife and father and I maybe the kids are with us. I can't recall I met the gentleman. I can't remember his name now. And again there's a neat guy, very adamant about his position, his job. But eight years ago, and once again, my dad throws at the bigfoot topic at him like you did Rowena the gall patroller, you know, ten to fifteen years earlier, that bigfoot. Interesting thing about this hispanic gentleman, he's adamant it doesn't exist. But he starts throwing stuff out there. He starts throwing out details that only those that really followed research the subject would know. They've never found a bone, never found bones, There's never been a body.

1:18:40 Oh sure, Yeah, he starts throwing more out there that a naysayer or someone in denial or protecting would throw out there. He knew a lot more about the topic than I've never seen one. It was just interesting. Oh yes, his dad is talking to him this, Yeah, he saw it in there is they never found bones, never found the body, And he threw some other things out there is how you even know they haven't unless you've actually researched the subject. And again this Rowen and this gentleman are in the same position that Paul Freeman had right with Jolin Milk Creek Watershed so and read from nineteen seventy So I never met Paul Freeman read I never met but these last two, so Rowena wrote, is riding her horses through well and it's on the watershed on trails that don't see people theoretically ever, so she has a Milkreek watershed to herself. And this gentleman here, I don't think he's a horse guy's as much as he has probably a driving his truck around the perimeter, up the perimeters, but he's through stuff out there. If he doesn't exist and you have no interest or knowledge that he didn't say he had no interest in knowledge, but from the way his response is he had an interest and knowledge in the topic. So uh, and maybe he never has seen or anything. But anyways, just it was interesting his response that doesn't exist up in there because they've never found bones, there's no pictures, on and on. So it was just an interesting response from a patrol, uh watershed patrol. And then maybe maybe he's maybe I said, maybe he's being honest, he has never seen anything and and here's the reasons why, because

1:20:11 he doesn't exist, because there are no bones or pictures or bodies. So last story on this and then yeah, this is my own experience. It is just weird. So I had that elk tag at Archery ol tag this last summer and just had a weird thing. This is outside the watershed Mi Creek watershed. It's outside the way on to come the Cannon wullness, but it's adjacent drainage. Is again a very difficult tad to get. They don't give out a lot of tags. Have the whole world yourself, really, and it's just neat remote country. I'm at the bottom of this one canyon. It's not a real deep canyon, open timber. You can see for shoot, one hundred hundred fifty yards, big trees, a little bit of brush from downfalls, but just open country. And I had elk in their bugling. I was getting tours and all that, and and there's some other hunters in that unit, but I hadn't seen the vehicles or anyone that where I was going into this drop of this little side canyon. The road drives goes right along the ridge next to it. So not overly remote, but still just a lot of country. I get down the bottom. It's getting late afternoon, said right now, it's what almost seven o'clock here is probably right at the same time, last hour or two of daylight. Get down there. I've got some milk bugle and all that stuff, and I'm walking down. I got down there, I had to hike from like from where I parked up high was probably about a twenty minute hike. And the guess gets down this big open or open timbered flats shoot four or five of yards across, and I can see real well, and I'm walking through the timber, and all of a sudden I hear this deep, deep voice seven And

1:21:45 as someone said the number seven, and I stopped. I thought, crap, is there someone else down here? Because there's a bull elk bugle and this is what we're all hunting for. Did I stumble on some hunters in here? And right where the noise came from to my kind of from front of me to the left, fifty seventy five yards, it seemed, I mean, I couldn't see the whole thing for us. It's a big open timber. There's no one there. Well, if there's hunters down there, It was a human voice, but a very deep, deep, guttural, throaty voice. Seven. I stop. I go, well, I'm backing out of this. There's other hunters down here. I'm not going to go infringe on them. If they're working these elk that are down here bugling and calling us, I don't I don't need any conflict if they're already down here. So I stopped, and I sat down for about five or ten minutes, and the voice I heard that the seven should have been within my view, as my light a sight, as open timber, little clumps of brush in there. There's nothing that would hide anyone. I mean, they could be behind a tree, you'd out of sight, whatever. But I say there for about five or ten minutes and there's no one there. So that was just weird. So I thought, well, I'm gonna start walking very cautiously, and maybe someone is there. Maybe they're sitting there waiting and maybe they saw me, maybe they didn't, Maybe they're so focused on these elk that are a couple hundred years voice premium and bugle into the timber out further than the flat, towards where the creek is in the bottom. And I start walking and there's been a lot elk in Theresho's really good game trails, even though it's there's downfalls and it's dry bone dry, snappy, crunchy.

1:23:10 So I started walking real slowly because if there's owns there, says I. Just I heard you say seven. I don't know why you said the number seven. And but if there's hunters there is, okay, then I'll get out of your hair. I'm not to come in friends, but I started walking. I'm looking. I've been there, I said, been five or ten minutes. I never saw a soul, and why I didn't hear in my head that I heard some I heard a deep voice say seven, and very very very like there's a deep lady. That's some weird stuff, man. Yeah, and I'm a realist, man, that's just that's I can't explain it. But once again, just something something notes for the archives. Okay, Can I get on the chapter three? Final chapter? Heck yes, right? My my local neighborhood, Maulthood mount Hood and the Northern Orton Cascades several again, the same thing. It's just friends, acquaintances whatever.

1:24:05 So I mentioned a little bit ago about these twin brothers good friends of mine, Robin Dennis will call them, and that's what their wives call them to. They grew up in Esticada, which is the Clacmus River, which is the big highway that Joe wrote his book about. And they grew up in a little community of Escicada, which is growing like crazy now. But they lived a few miles south of the excusely west of Esticada, and there's a main highway that goes from the Portland metro area of Milwaukee Clackness out to Esticada. And they lived about a mile off the highway down in, down In, right along the Columbia River and a little bit of kind of he referred to as Hpie Commune. His dad was a Vietnam that mom just salts of the earth, neat gal And they just lived in this little communal neighborhood off the highway. And again we're talking now in this seventies, probably early eighties, and lived in this I can't remember the name of the neighborhood, but ten fifteen homes where you go out across the flate and kind of drop down to the level of the the Clackmus River down there. So one brother Dennis, and again this is as I look at my notes here. Mid seventies, they had a yellow lab named Mood and again the bus would drop them up on the highway, so they had like a mile walk to home and there they're out the cuttry the they're mountain kids and all that, and no one it wasn't that big a deal back then. Your kids walked the mile to the bus stop in the morning, they walked a mile home down when

1:25:38 bus drop them off in the afternoon. So for some reason it was just one of them, was just Dennis. Rob wasn't with them. I don't remember this whole reason why. But so but every time every day in the afternoon, I guess Moon, their yellow lab, would walk them to the bus in the morning and go home. Then Moon would go to go the mile jaunt up to the highway and be there waiting for the boys to get off the bus in the afternoon after school. So Dennis gets off the bus one afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting for him, and it probably got a roughly a half mile across some flat, open pastory stuff on the road just kind of starts winding down to the Clackmus River bottom three four five hundred foot elevation, dropped roughly all timber. And this is the twin brothers. So Dennis, he's walking, he goes across the flats, he starts walking the gravel road heading down the side hill and it's a timber. And all of a sudden, he said, Moon just stops and starts staring up from the timber. And again this kind of where I start kind of filling into the least. I think he was looking off to the right downhill, and all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose and this big, tall, dark hair covered thing takes off running through the ferns and trees, a lot of brush and all that takes off running and I remember one of the things there was a tall standing snag or stuff. The thing ran through this stump and the thing exploded. The stumped it and kept on running. And also in addition to the stump that exploded that this thing ran through one other things just look like ahead an arrow quiver stuck over it, shoulder over its back, over shoulders. So, because you've heard stories of clothing and whatever I have

1:27:10 over the years, time whatever. And then he goes, yeah, and how he reacted whatever. But then him and Moon continue to walking home. And that was the end of the story. So that's the only experience Datis ever had. And the funny thing is, whenever he and I do talk about it, he goes, I don't share that story. It's anyone and his twin brother they did. I mean, these are twin brothers that they're still attached to the hip. They've been involved in business, are both in early retirement in their late fifties, been home builders. They talk daily, they do a lot of stuff together, their their wives are good friends. They've done a lot. Dennis will not bring the topic up around his twin brother Rob because Rob last out. So the one thing in their entire lives that they probably do not share is I mean, they've obviously shared it but Dennis just doesn't share share it with anyone. As we know, a lot of people don't share their stories or encounters. But no they don't. Are they waiting until they retire and not a cop anymore? That's in big, big right, Yeah, there's that toue. So So that's that a story, and I and he and I don't even talk about it, but like every five years or so or six seven, who knows, we might be having a beer or something else is. But I already know his story.

1:28:09 He's he already knows. He shared it with me, and there's no reason talking more about it. I did invite him, actually, that thing that Joe Bielart sent us up to by Scoop and Meadows again, however many years ago, fifteen sixteen, set, I think eighteen, I don't remember. But I didn't invite Dennis. But he just yeah, yeah, he had his experiences encounter and that's he's he's good of that. So so moving on to that. Another gentleman. This guy played played some softball with and against years ago, back going back probably in the eighties, and then through a mutual UH hunting forum that we both belonged to. He saw my name on there and he's active on this and this is going back several years as well. But up here where I live or where we live, at the base of Malhood, the Salmon Huckleberry Wellness, you got malt Hood Wellness, you got the bull Run Watershed, which is the water the watershed for the Portland metropolitan area, which is much large, Drew Watershed Milk Creek for Walla Walla.

1:29:01 This is the watershed that's feeding hundreds of thousands of people, not tens of thousands, and to close a public entry. So we're in. We're up. I mean, we've got mountains, we weld on ess everything around here. So this gentleman Scott, who again I had played ball with, he shared a story with me again several years ago. But we have three rivers that come together down here, the Salmon River, the Sandy River, and the zig Zag River. And uh, there's a cool little golf course, beautiful golf course actually right where these rivers come together, and also used to be some fantastic salmon and sealit fishing back in the day. Not nearly as as a fruitful as it used to be. But he told me a story a while back where he was going to fish one of the He's going down the golf course to access the Salmon River to go fishing one morning, and saw had a big foot run across the fairway in front of him, like right at daybreak. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Uh oh and yeah, right off the back side of that Salmon River. It's it's just all salmon Huckleberry wildness, which has its own number of stories and encounters and sidings from again over the over the decades.

1:30:26 So uh yeah, as simple as that. It is a little been in the eighties, early nineties. Yeah, early morning, and there's some homes, the really nice homes, lost golf this golf course on some sides, but once you get to that river side, it's all will us on the backside. But he yet Bigfoot, I remember exactly said just something tall and harry, but he's We were messaging back and forth, I think email or whatever, messaging through this uh hunting forum. Maybe I can't recall exactly how the communication exchange, but told me about that big foot right across the dank fairway. This this golf fairway front of a lot of the way to go fish the Salmon River, which would have been midsummer, because that's typically was it was a summer steel at fishery, which July, August, September, October is the really the prime season there time of year for that fishery back in the day when it was popular fishery. And again the whole area Highway twenty six, it goes over Mount Hood, there's the cliff as mentioned several stories. There's been some other stuff. I mean, where we live here I throw off a number of stories I've heard over the years, but these are just stories i've heard. There are people I personally know and or I've heard those stories from hom So another acquaintance of mine a little further south.

1:31:35 Timothy Lake is a big popular lake in the North Cascades here. It's just south of Mount Hood, a quaint to mine. I don't know him real well, but he's a good friends. But another good friend of mine, which I'll get to a bit, but he was right around two thousand hunting again from our house here. It's he's probably twenty thirty miles south of here from oute little area right along, and there's a big human. He's in a reservation that you we can't hunt, Tom, but he's down there hunting one evening and uh camps in this remote little camp spot. Yeah, not even a camp round, just spiking parking. Drig hiked in a mile or two and Elk creb. The elk make a lot of noise during their rent on their mating season, and elkre buglin all that, and they said, all of a sudden, a fan like that is just shut off. And it was late in the evening. But he thought it was just kind of weird the way they just shut down just and he was in the timber.

1:32:28 They're echoing all over at and it was late, late enough I don't think he had could really hunt, but he's kind of out. A lady needs scout for the next day, and you had a buddy coming up to meet him that night to camp with him, so u uh some. So this guy he goes back to his truck. I can't remember if he had a canopy on his the bit of his pickup kind of think that's what it was. And so he gets back to his truck, gets roughly that time of the rotary season is probably getting dark nine nine thirty, So gets in the bit of his pick up around ten. Again. I don't remember all the exact details, but not a half hour after he's in his pickup, all of a sudden, his truck shutters the shakes, and he was expecting his buddy there till later I can't remember midnightish after midnight or whatever. I mean, it's not that far out there from the Portland metro. I don't remember where his buddy is coming from, but what the whole schedule was. But he expected his buddy later then, and no vehicles came up because there's year he's a pretty remote part of the forest where he wasn't on the main road.

1:33:28 He's off the side road, back up back in the timber there. I don't know exactly where his camp, but I had a pretty good idea. And the truck shutters, and he might he goes, my buddy's screwn with me. Uh, no headlights and it's dead quiet out that time, and I you'd have heard a vehicle within a half mile or a mile of yet approaching headlights, or he heard a vehicle, heard nothing in the truck shot. I can't remember if he did it more than a once, may have, may not have, but it freaked him out. And I thought his buddy screwn with him and I camera, if he didn't, if he couldn't fall a sleep, or the he opened his canopy and shown a flash. I don't remember any of those details at all, but I know it really kind of waked him out. And then a couple of hours later his buddy shows up. Whether it's midnight or still again, I can't remember his physics, but he and I had that conversation number of years ago, but he just what shook my trust into the night or you know, in the late evening. So and and he's got I've got another story with him here in a little bit. So so something something bump bumped his truck at night.

1:34:30 So next story up the Clacamus River, which is is kind of all the Clackmus River drip area as well. Again Joe Blert's country. Uh, good friend of mine, Sean. And this looks like this is probably around two thousand and two now, So again we're going back a little bit. Uh, he's hotting up there with his father and I think his brother, and they're up a remote little road some and some older clear cuts up there, and uh, Sean climbed up the hill. And again just kind of the picture I've got. They parked at a dead end road and probably a big round gravel turn about. So the truck's parked there, him and his dad and again maybe brother, and Sean starts working his way up the hill deer hunting, I believe. So it'd have been early August start excoose me early October. So Shawn works his way up the hill, gets way up above this older clearcut. The clearcut is I'm going to estimate to the trees in this country. You can grow back pretty quick. Within five or ten years, you're starting to get some trees that are probably you know, it's ten twenty foot tall if they've been replanted. He got way up above on the clear cut, and he gets up there and he can see he can see their pick up for other truck parked way down below. And whether it's two hundred yards or a thousand yards, ID all know is waist down there, I'm sure. Then all of a sudden down below Sean. And this again from what I recollect is probably midday, early late or late morning, midday early afternoon, all of a sudden, down below Sean on a pretty steep slope, this big bler goes flying straight up in the air really and

1:36:02 comes down. The thing is, you didn't hear the sud of it coming down. Then this big boulder goes back up in the air and comes down. And I don't remember how many times it happened, two, three, four or five times I recall, but he's going someone's screwing with me here. And if I recall, he said somebody thought it might be his brother. And he shouts out and how far this was down. I don't think it was a long distance away, but I'm estimating probably it might have been thirty to fifty yards down down the hill below him. But this big rock flying way up there, coming down and not sutting when it hits the ground. Then he's he made a comment to something like, hey, no, it's you, or screw screw it with me, whatever. Then he sees his brother and his dad way down down on the trucks moments later. So it wasn't his brother, wasn't his father, And and he's he and I've talked about it a couple of times, and he goes he always had an eerie feeling whenever he drove this little road that went back to that little uh ground parking area. Whatever. So he and I we've actually been talking to I just talked with them a week or two ago. This is go up in the forest these days. There are so many ding people up there at weekends are just as zoo almost you can't you can't get away from people, it seems like anymore. People all get in the woods because our forest is extremely thick and rugged. But they're camp at the end of the roads or hiking. They're going all the lakes and recreation areas and trailheads and whatever.

1:37:23 But he just got a new job where he has Friday's off, and I have a relatively flexible schedule. So I told himm, once you get in your new job, you squared away. Let's stenak up there for a Friday. I want to go up. He hasn't been out there for several years himself, but he's always had this weird ear, weird eerie feeling about that place, even prior to this raw tossing incident. So I'm just curious where he's at. I don't even I just know he's up the Clackmans River somewhere. But yeah, rock flying up in the air coming down. I did. He went up several times, and uh, you know, nevercided when it hit the ground because the rocks like that, you're gonna you're going to hear it plus feel it. Wow, that's very man sound kiss cleaning out catch that. Yeah, And then I said that he made some comment. I remember me to comment. He thought he'd be, okay, I know what you well, So it's just and then their brother and dad way down the truck and one hundreds of yards away. So so I don't have any answers for you. I just got the questions. Yeah, exactly, all right. So where we live. We live in one of the major river drangers come off some mount comes off mountain Hood, which is in the eleven thousand plus foot Dorm Volcano. It's the top of the mountains, like seven miles from us right now, and again from more we're at. To the south of us, we've got zig Zag Mountain twenty twenty five feet above us.

1:38:36 Behind us, we've got the Bowl Run waters or excuse again, the bow Run Watershed, which is another fifteen hundred two thousand feet to the ridge top above us, and the Zigzag Mountain to the south of us has some stories on it, and I'll throw a fews of those. Yeah, But just up the road from us, we have an older gentleman who his brother is a log home builder in the area, and he's been involved in the building trades himself. I don't he's more, he's pretty much now. But so he lives not even not even a half mile of the roof from this quarter mile. Probably Tom and Uh we were with them. I guess when was it? Fourth was July? I left him a couple of weeks ago, and I'd heard, I knew he had stories. But our friends that live up there as well, there are his neighbors. Friend Chris has said he got to talk to Saw him sometime, and I'll thank Chris. Actually a story too, But so a couple of weeks ago I finally got to ask Tom. So he has two kind of similar stories. But when he started clearing his land to build his home, yeah up there. So again, this is a Sandy River drainage is roughly a quarter mile a half mile wide. It's all all blood flows from mount or a mount hood has erupted over the years, and just the whole valley is mud flow. Then the forest builds up and grows up, so it's a relatively flat down here.

1:39:47 So Tom was clearing his land roughly early two thousands and then and probably very two similar stories. And then a couple of years later he used to go to work really early in the mornings. Again I don't remember if he was contractor back then our home construction and what, but two very similar stories in the early two thousands and a couple years later he'd be out there early in the morning, have have a cup of coffee, have a cigarette and two different times he's been out there early in the morning and boulders went flying across his yard. Really yeah, oh man, you know, and the difference between the two stories that he gave me there were two different times that it happened. And so he told our friend Chris, who I'm we're better friends with that Tom we know pretty well. But yeah, so, yeah, he's been out there three in the morning a cigarette and drink coffee, clearing the land. And he's been up here long enough. Twenty some year, twentieth years ago, there wasn't as there's been. There's several homes up our valley, but not a ton. But yeah, he was probably one of the earlier people developing the land up here and clearing it and this home on.

1:41:00 Yeah, you're out through them early in the morning and Dan Boulder was playing across from one tree line out across your yard and boulders how big they are, I don't know, but random, random at you know, three in the morning, and happened on two different occations over the course of a couple of years. And the right time for weird stuff with bigfoot to happen too am in the morning, No down, man, so let me see as I'm looking at my notes here, so yeah, okay, this sizes and name as well. He mentioned a so they said that up behind his house as well, just south of him is this is exact mountain which is it is one rugged, steep, thick, bluffy mountain. Side there's a there's a trail on the top. There's a couple of trails to go this side up some pre trainers to some some lakes. They're all hiking lakes.

1:41:48 And I want to go hike that face that mountain down this side. It's going to be brutal. I wouldn't hike up, but I don't know if any you could think you could, but you wouldn't want to do it again. Coming down won't be a whole lot more pleasant because it's hits steep, rugged, and there's some bluffy stuff. There's a lot of thick, elder thick. It's it's just it's it's it's a Noman's land so to speak, for the most part. But anyway, so tom, as I'm looking at my notes here, he heard a bellowing hel coming up off of there. It lasted like thirty seconds then so above his house, which again he is that direction from you again? Less than a half mile And then he said, like last like thirty seconds, and then he got a response down Zigzag ridge. Later, immediate response, So let me see the notes bellowing hell up on Zigzag Mountain and thirty seconds later response down the ridge to the west.

1:42:39 Then and I and I said, he just told me this story a few weeks ago. But the ring knows. He says, he goes, you ever seen funny Bigfoot? It sounds like what bobo the sam Bobo makes. Man, Oh, that freaked me out. I've always that's that's one of my things where someday I want to hear vocalization like that. Someday. Man, well, that's right behind us. I mean that's wow. I can long range right as a crow fies. It's five six hundred yards behind me. It's the side of the Zigzag Mountain and it runs for seven eight ten miles that way, right up to Mount Hood. So I will jump forward a little bit. So our our mutual friend Chris, him and his wife and kids live right there next to Tom, his young daughter Lily.

1:43:25 And this is going back roughly twenty ten. They heard screams up on the back side of the Zigzag Mountain and Lily, who was roughly about eight. Then I remember Chris dad telling me this he goes, let it goes, there's something up there. So Chris heard him up there. And I think most of these the call that Tom talked about and what personally, I think they've been springtime vocalizations. And again I'm pretty sure I don't have exact dates or times whatever, it seems to me it's been like March April age type of stuff. So only a couple more for you. So uh again, over outside of Esticada on the Clacmus River, are you very familiar with this country up here? I I have the Oregon Bigfoot Highway, and so I know when you say stuff like Esticada and zig Zag mount I know, like I've they sound very familiar, but I've never like actually gone out to the area yet personally, but like I've read the book by Joe, Well, yeah, I've got to get it. So yeah, so Esdicated is the where the Clacmus River comes out of our Cascade Mountains. Esticada is like at the the gateway. It's where the mountains meet and the foot hills meet the flatlands. And that's Esticada, small little rural community have been there for a million years whatever, but it's grown like crazy now and there's a ton of recreation that goes up but uh, up the Clacmas River, a lot of

1:44:56 camping, a lot of water play, a lot of fish and all that stuff is a bunch of people's as in the summertime go up that way, big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. And there's some people live up there. But but away from that, down towards Aggresham, which is one of our bigger, more better communities to Portland, a little community outside of that called Boring. Again, I'm going back to years ago now, I've as I put these news together over the accumulating them over the years, I kind of estimated some of them, so roughly around years ago. I've always had I've always had dogs. I we chocolate labs in particular, and loved a bird hunt. I just like getting out with my dog and busting my butt and sweating and having a good time with the dog and getting family out there whatever, sometimes spending days with friends. So one day I pull up in this little gas station in the town of Boring, Oregon, and got my dog with me at summertime. Windows were old dog sticking her head out. Every time you go to a gas station, you're hoping they'll give you him a milk bone to chill on. And uh.

1:46:06 A young dude comes up pumps our gas because because we still we're just finally begetting getting to pop our own gas out here. It's been attend and served for forever. Anyway, guy comes out pumps our gas and it starts talking about the dog and you love birds. He goes, yeah, that's this second lab and I love bird hunting and I just love getting out. Then he looks at me and he starts talking about hunting grouse, which I hunt a grouse a little bit. They're more of a forest bird where I hunt the other types of birds pheasant, chuck or whatever. And I've und his some grouse and fond to hunt and he can get to go on the forest. And asked about grouse and he goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, there's a real good place up to Clackmus. Then he kind of tilts us head. He goes, you ever heard of big foot acres? Bigfoot acres? No? Oh boy? Yeah, So it's a little place ups out outside of Estechia. He gave me some rough directions. I'd don't I didn't make know there's enough roads and leugh area up there. I heard of Bigfoot Acres, No, and so he told me you go up this one road, go here there you are there and all that, and there's all kinds of grass. That says, so, why's it called Bigfoot Acres? He goes Bigfoot matter of factly go is he there? And the kid goes, shakes his head and turns to walk away.

1:47:19 Helps another cars just pulled in. Philipod casts, Oh wow, Okay, So that being said, there's a ranger station in Esticada, Essicaated Ranger District, Ranger Station for the Matholt National Forest. And I've heard stories for years. You may have, I know Joe Has and Cliff Has and other people. But supposedly there's a sightings book in there that doesn't exist, doesn't exist nally. You go ask for it. They don't know what you're talking about. But supposedly there's book in there. And I've heard that for for twenty years. There's yeah to be but and I know and I know people have gone in and asking for it and then they don't have any know what you talk about out Rick? Did you ever go up to Bigfoot Acres?

1:48:04 I never got the exact he is. He gave me the rough up here, there's so many forest roads. And again once she gets Passida up in the area where it was, there's some ranches and some uh, there's no communities or talents up there, but there's there's this plain of logging roads and forest roads and this and that. He gave me a rough idea. I mean, it's just a casual chat. I wasn't. I mean, I obviously interested in Bigfoot, but as he gave me that info, and I tried to make a mental note, But then as I tried to fine tune it, it's that all that counches big looking trip. There no, absolutely, so absolutely that I was going to go to the exact road to the dead end and go to Bigfoot Acres to look for grouse slash Bigfoot. I probably had as much a chance of going down another road and taking it right instead of a left and probably finding big So I don't, I don't know.

1:48:48 I never did again, and I've always wondered. I wish I would have gotten better details, but we were talking bird Hunt, not Bigot. I just know the general area. But across that's all I said. That's on the north I guess you could call it even the east side of the Clackamas River. Across you've got goat Mountain my camera, there's Hillock Hillock Burn Road. There's there's all kinds of stories up there as well, and and on and on. But so I never know. I never went to Big Lakers and I and I couldn't tell you exactly where it's at. But it's up there somewhere. Maybe maybe a listener knows about Bigfoot Acres and they can email me a big for Society temail. I have Google before I can hook Rick up. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Right, Well, I have Google Search and nothing comes up on it. I'm sure that up behind, up behind that general area got Mount Mitchell, which I think Joe in in in that in his book. Actually there's a trackway from Mount Mitchell which is up in that same country and all that. But I said there, I won't get into a lot more specifics up there because there's quite a few lakes and remote campground stuff that I Between Joe and Cliff, they've they've they've they've got a lot of of people out there in the field themselves, and there's there's a lot of stories that come out of that, all out of all that country for those that are reft, actively out there doing doing more than I'm doing out the woods. So anyway, big quot Acres, that's my story. Yeah, dude, you got to get this book. I got I got the book right here next to me and big Well, like I

1:50:20 said, yeah, it's so good. Yeah, well, I'm sure that's well. And actually Joe told me about it back before you even publish the thing. Oh that's awesome. But again, I do need to get out and I need to get you to sign it. Okay, I've got like two or three more than I'm gonna I have to go weak then, yeah, I mean you've got to be just starving by now, Rick, you go fine, how to do it? This is calling my appetite? Yeah yeah. So so uh again, from where we live, uh we we where we we can't where we live. We less than two miles from us as National Forest boundary. Wow. And this summer year, our little remote little mountain road gets a lot of trafic because there's uh, there's four or five campgrounds up here, three or four. Then there's a lot of trail heads that take you on the Pacific Crest Trail, which is our big international trail goes from Canada all the way down to Mexico, is you know, fifteen minute drive from US, and several other trail heads. A lot of them go up to the base of Mount Hood and all around. You know, I said, this is Exag Mountain up here, so and I mentioned there's a couple of trails on this side that take you up to these remote little mountain lakes. But another friend of ours, acquaintance or not tight tight friends, but he works for Clackmans County, which is one of the big metropolitan counties in the area. He uh runs search and rescue, and he is telling me a story that's five, six, seven years ago. Is telling me, So just up past our house as you go up towards the trail heads that are up here, going up the Sandy River and heading towards Mountain Hood and backside his Eiggag Mountain. Several summers ago, roughly again roughly

1:51:55 twenty ten, there's when this shooting occurred. There are some a hiker, a hiker or hiker's loss up there, just didn't come back. So in the summertime again it starts to warm up here. You start getting a lot of breezes in the mountains, and and as the mountain winds go, it's just a lot of noise birds or squawking and stuff. So they like to do especially in the summers, especially if weather conditions permit. It's not like a snowing or going to be some freezing or whatever. They like. They prefer to do their search and rescues at night because it's dead call. People can shout and hallow your name. You can hear people that might be injured. They can barely whimper, you can, you know, just the sound carries so much better in the dead night. So Scott, this gentleman's name, heading the county Search and Rescue, and they've got their posseas and they've got a lot of nonprofits and other search and rescue organizations that like to help out in land to hand. So they were I think it was an individual hiker, I camember, it's a couple. I think it's just an individual just didn't show back, show up, And so they go up and set up a base, just a couple of miles up from our house, and this hiker or hikers was up on somewhere on Zigzag mount And again there's not a lot of trails up there, and you shouldn't get off trail. There's no reason too because it's in it's just it's just rugged country. I'm not saying you couldn't roll off or fall off or stumble or get injured or whatever.

1:53:15 There who knows why people disappear in our mountains every every year or to someone disappears with sure, no sign, no reason. They find a car to trailhead and there's no evidence of anything afterwards or else or else, their camp is vacant and never then they never be seen again. And again there's not much reason to get off any of the trails in this while area because it's just this in hospital country if you're hunting. That's one thing that most of these people who just day I can and overnighting or whatever. But so anyway, the good and their group gets up there one evening and several groups go out a couple of different trailheads. Some might have been on horses. I don't never the whole exact scenario and had and and you go out in pairs, two people at a time, and then at night they're going out of night. So it's roughly like two in the morning. Gets a radio call from one of the couples or coming down, and this guy goes, did you find him? They said, nope, we're coming down. They go, well, hell, this is the this is the prime search and rescue time. Two in the morning, dead quiet, all of that.

1:54:11 It's like, for all the reasons I mentioned, so why the heck are they coming down? That's so hour hour and half later, I don't I remember how long, but these people come down and go, why in the heck did you guys come down? They said, there's something up there, and this is again this is the kind of word for word as well, there's there's something up there. It says it doesn't want us up there, and we don't want to be there. Whoa, and it was, you know, something just started screaming and carrying on, I guess relatively close to him, and they just pretty much then they didn't want us there, we didn't want to be there, So they came off the mountain, quit their search and rescue efforts. And this is then, and so the guy to replay this too. Us. Like I said, he worked at Clacmus County Deputy shrifs Apartment Search and Rescue, And yeah, they came off the mountain so that when something started to start, something started raising l up there.

1:55:00 It didn't want us there, and we didn't want to be there. Oh my goodness. And if you looked at this mountain, if you are ever here, it can I can look at it daily. It's right back door. It's if I could live in that environment, didn't want to be found. That's that's the ideal place. And I want to climb down that mountain from top to bottom. I've got a couple different ridges, a couple of different drangeres is. It's going to be brutal. And I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can still do it. It's gravity helped me down the Dane Hill. But I just want to see what's in the middle of that mountain because there's no trails in middle. There's a couple of loss of little trails that work their whips and creek ranges. Feel the top, there's miles and miles and miles of non vertical but extremely steep, rugged rough bluffy or north Oregon Cascades Forests wild oh Man. Yeah, it's got to be beautiful outs on this area. Whoever we left that got of it's really really neat, especially this time of here. So that'd be insaid Aroundzigag Mountain between Highway twenty six on the back side, through the little community of Rhododendron and Welches and up this way. A friend of Cliff's had a siding just up the road from US real similar in the close proximity to where the Scott the Clackmans County Search and Richard guy. Cliff had a buddy of his about eight or nine years ago, woke up one morning up there looking and had a siding out of his camper window right in the base of the mountain one morning.

1:56:18 So so, but the other's that in the last twenty to twenty five years there's been several sightings between all around here, and that's just stuff I've heard of. All right, let me throw you see two more at yeah than I'm done it. So I mentioned to you the guy that was camps hunting a couple about an hour hour and a half from here, twenty thirty forty fifty miles whatever that had something bumped his truck and look the night right, and his buddy's going to be there. And two hours later whatever, his buddy shows up. So he was hunting with our mutual friend wrong in the same general area, not quite that far. A big, big, big river, bottom, big medals and all that stuff. And Ron is my one guy think I mentioned earlier, who was a retired logger, spent his entire time in the woods. He's out there even is retired. He's a big time photographer. He does a lot of stuff outdoors, the trail cameras and all that. And he's an nonbeliever because they spent his entire life in the woods, in the Cascades and on the coast range. So Ron and this other gentleman Dave there, they went down and hunted this big long medal one day and again we're talking this back twenty thirteen. It looks like September two thirteen, archery hunting. And as they're working through this flats, you got a big metal. You got a lot of this river bottles about half mile wide, and there's some big seedar trees, and there's a big cedar swamp, a lot of elk in there usually and they're working their way through

1:57:51 the timber, and again it's open timber, kind of a little bread of brush, huckleberries and roaded enterns, but typically and some of the stuff you can see two three hundred charge, which is in our forest around here. That's quite a distance. And they look and aways from one hundred and hun of yards they see another hunter. That's really weird because the only access point where they came in from is really about the only clache could park there, and there's no other rig park there. And all of a sudden there's a hunter down in the river bottom. And again river bottoms a high mountain valley bottoms, so there's another hunter there. They were really surprised, said, Then the hunter walked behind a tree, and again there was roughly one hundred yards away. If I recall correctly, it looks like a dude dark we're all dark clothing quote unquote clothing walk behind a tree. Never saw him again.

1:58:48 And as they go. As they go walking over there, there's kind of a little dip in a ravine because in some of these rivers is a meander. You get this, Uh, they they'll cut a bank and they'll switch channel. Whatever I think if I recall this kind of a little dipper raffine behind it, a little cut bank, but they were they slowly worked the way over there because this hunter kind of went behind tree and never saw him again. Walked over there, never saw a hunter, didn't find anything. And and so this ron says, in all my years in the woods, that's the first time I've seen something and not been able to identify it. He's still an unbeliever, but he says, not sure what it was, and it's a random yeah. So and that's and he and I had that on one of our hunting forms, that that's how I met this wrong neat guy, and it's got thought loyal followers. He'd actually made that post on our hunting form again back in twenty thirteen, that that first time I've seen anything and never been identify it. But he and I a couple of years later, we were out driving around out in the mountains and I we brought I brought such it up. And he's still he's still an animate non believer, but he goes Raley adds some dads who are really interest So so anyway, it was just uh yeah, coming from from a guy like that, and uh Lastly, you had mentioned that one of your speakers a while back could drop the name and drops a very specific location somewhere. And I

2:00:19 know that specific name, and I know some of his specific locations, and and it coincidentally, so yeah, yeah, so it quincidentally. It's an area I'm very familiar with myself. Okay, from your near home. Yeah, neat little little ponds meadows and uh may Cliff, did I say that we go up there? He go up there and just drink some local beers and plays out. He's a musician. He plays his guitar and he says, uh more. From then I get some some something happens middle night, might just be a knock at two in the morning or whatever, but very very near that location. And he'd mentioned that place randomly to me several years ago, and I think we even talked about that specific location. He's throwing a couple of names me. But it's all touch right now. But within about a mile of that, there's a big deep canyon and there's an old logging road that goes down and it's all heavily timbered. And I have three different what I would call trackways that have come off these steep cut banks.

2:01:19 I've sent them to. I sent pictures of Joe, will be allowed to send them to Cliff. Send them to Todd Niece is another name I'll mentioned. If you know Todd he oh does he really that? Yeah, yeah, we had a couple of beers a month or so ago. That funny. But uh, they're not definitive behind the means, but a couple of them. Again, I'll send you some of these photos later on if you like, But yeah, definitely a couple of them are older and washed out. Even the best ones weren't. But the thing is, and even Cliff was trying to to poo poo on them. But could be dear elk or bear. Well, I hunt dere at elk and bear, and I've seen a lot of deernilk and bear, and I've seen a lot of tracks.

2:02:00 First of all, these have a straight toe edge. Also okay, deer hoof a bear and the substraight it was in It was a very hard packed cut bank, and they're long. You could think it was someone's then if there were people walking on this cut bank. It's a very very very remote road and in an area that people wouldn't have really very little reason to be up on that hill to be walking down. You can see if they stepped side hills trying to come down this cut bank where their feet could have slipped. But the the straight edge was only was about eight inches. That's a short that's a small foot be walking and making the impressions that were on this cut bank coming down. And then then I found a couple older ones that were all very indefident, but you just see large impressions work walking up this cut banking again. And this is near where this little punt and metal is.

2:02:54 What's his face like to hang out? I don't know how I goes up there, and it's in a remote, rugged little canyon, but and and I was up there about three or four weeks ago, and I haven't been to this road and this cup banks for a couple of years now. I always look at the cut banks. It's about two miles section there that it's thick brushy up high at the whole bottom is just a thick, rugged jungle. So I don't know, I don't know it made those impressions, but one of them. There's like five or six impressions going up this cut bank, and they're all sizable. They've got straight what i'd call toe edge. Yep, that's wild. That's all I got for Wow. I mean it's cool to hear that that area. Someone else has found something cool in an area close to that, you know, And I'm being vague, but you get sure they like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Like I've got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking whatever. I told that before. I've got no encounters, nothing you know from knows and knows with me and we are wrestled or whatever. But Rach, this has been a fascinating chat of like just a lifetime of collected stories and like how I mean you pretty much had some really cool experiences chatting with people involved with Bigfoot history in a way which

2:04:26 is is very cool as well. But yeah, well you bet on my pleasure. Like I said, I could throw other second or third or fourthand stores, but these are all, you know, vast majority. It's either you know those people I know and or the random thing at the gas station. The kid asked about big Foot Acres, but it was a personal kid counter between he and I to Bigfoot acres. We got to track that down. Listeners, if you know a big Foot acres is, please email me in big forciety at email dot com. We have to track that down. Yeah, no, i'd loved you. I said, I'd love that. And there's a lot of roads out that It's hard to say, but point I wish. I wish the kids still worked there, but you an eighteen year working a gas station twenty some years later eighteen years what however, we can probably not we'll not working there. But anyways, it's just you know, and I've gone back and forth for number months and I said, I've got a lot of stories for you. I don't some people might fall asleep on I think that people are going to be very interested. Uh. My listeners love episodes like this. Rick, thank you so much for reaching out and I'm taking your time and this has been just a really fun chat.

2:05:26 And keep me in the loop if anything else cool happens. Man, I know where to fun you. I said, I don't go out look and man, but I keep my eyes spieled. Definitely cool. All right, Hey, thank you so much. To have a good evening.