Aug. 3, 2024

Face to Face with Sasquatch on the GO Road (A Conversation with Thom Cantrall)

In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Tom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50 years, Tom shares his first-hand encounters with Bigfoot, including the incredible story of his first full-on...

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Season 1

In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Tom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50 years, Tom shares his first-hand encounters with Bigfoot, including the incredible story of his first full-on sighting and his telepathic teachings from a Sasquatch named Akanishia. Listen as Tom recounts intense and sometimes unnerving experiences from the US and beyond, like his face-to-face meetings with Sasquatch, attending a Sasquatch funeral on Prince of Wales Island, and surviving life-threatening health issues with the help of his mysterious forest friends. Tom offers unique insights and profound lessons he has learned through his deeply respectful relationship with these elusive beings, making this a must-watch for Bigfoot enthusiasts and believers in the supernatural.

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show, all right, bigfot Society. I've got a

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privilege of talking to an individual that many listeners have

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reached out to me over the years to get on

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the podcast, and it's just it's gotten to the point

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we had to make it happen. So mister Tom Cantrell

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is here and it's a pleasure to have you with

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us today.

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Tom, Well, thank you very much. I'm very happy to

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be here. It's always fun to talk about sasquatch.

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Oh, you know, that's what I love to do too,

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so I'm glad I'm in good company. But so you

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are out in the Pacific Northwest, correct, Tom, Yes.

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I am. I live in western Washington now. I lived

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for thirty years over in the southeast part of Washington

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in the desert, and now I'm over on the wet

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side again, although you wouldn't know it by the weather.

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The last week or so, it's been hot, you know.

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I've heard that. I'm actually headed out to a small

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town called Oak Ridge. Oh yeah, next next week for

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a festival. And I was looking at the weather over

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there and it's over one hundred degrees and I'm like,

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oh my goodness, this is this could get a little

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wild out there, but we'll see. It should be a good,

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a great time, So I'm looking forward to it.

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Well, it's a little a little lower today. It's only

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eighty two right now. Yeah, or it's been in the nineties, So.

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Yeah, Tom, You've got a really interesting background. You've been

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involved with all sorts of things. You've been involved with.

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You have a military background, correct, right.

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I spent nine years in the Navy on submarines, and

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I got out of the Navy in nineteen seventy and

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I was living on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington at

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the time, and probably the main reason I got out

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after nine years was they wanted me to go back

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to South Carolina. South Carolina again. I said, Hey, there's

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no walk in South Carolina. I know, I've looked and

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they're all over here. So I stay. Yeah, stayed and

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then start college. Started college in Port angels to Washington,

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then transferred to University of Washington, got my degree in

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logan engineering. And I that said, I have never worked

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a day as an employee of a company as logging engineer.

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When I got out, I found out what they paid

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and I was making more money just put my little

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jip O logging outfit than what they wanted to pay me.

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But I did do a lot of consulting work, especially

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bridge site surveys in the state of Washington. If you're

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going to build a road that crosses a stream used

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by anagamus fish runs, that's a fish that are born

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in fresh water and go to sea and then come

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back to fresh water to spawn like Sam and steelhead

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link or not link caud but oh Dad name jumped

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out of the mind. But that type of fish you

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have to have a permit from the state, and in

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order to get that you have to do you have

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to survey the stream and submitted design, and that's what

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that be hired to do. Most times. I did a

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lot of property line work too, but it was mostly

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bridge side surveys, and in those days, in those times,

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it was in old growth timber, so i'd be hiking

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back in a minimum of four miles, generally five or

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six or seven miles because the ones alongside the road

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their company engineers took care of. They hired me for

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the ones that dad's a long hike. Well, I found

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out real quick the last thing you want to do

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is hike in do your survey. And that consisted of

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screen flow bed type you know, soil rock whatever, and

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what you were going to use for abut mnths, and

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how the bridge was going to build be built, all

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of that, and I found real quick that the last

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thing you wanted to do was hike in, get all

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your measurements, and hike back out, sit down at the

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table and figure out you got to get one measurement.

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So what I would do is when I got everything

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I thought I needed, I'd sit down and do a

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rough drawing and it was at that time that I

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started seeing them. They would when you get curious about

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what I was doing, sitting there alone in the timber

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where nobody had been for four hundred, five hundred years,

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you know, and here's this guy sitting here doing this,

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doing something, and they'd sneak in on me, pee around

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trees at me. Now, I'd been interested in them for many,

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many years prior to this. It started with Jerry Crewe

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incident in northern California in nineteen fifty eight, and that's

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what lit my fire. That was in an area not

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far from where I lived, and edreally caught my interest

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and I read everything I could get from then until

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I sure I was still in the high school time.

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I was fifteen years old when that happened, and then

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joined the Navy right out of high school. So, and

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when you're on the submar you don't have a whole

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lot of time the law of opportunity to physically look

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for sashquatch. But after they got me up on the peninsula,

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yeah I did, and that's when I started seeing them.

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And it was a great time. It was. It was

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a lot of fun.

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Wow, And I got sorry. So when you just wanted

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to clarify something. So when you said you started seeing them,

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that's when you're talking about bigfoot or sasquatch.

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Correct. Yes, yes, yeah, they did. They'd come down and

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when I was sitting there, they'd peek around the tree

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at me. For a long time, I thought they only

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had one eye, just went one side their head the other,

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because that's all I ever saw. But finally one day

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my friend and I it was September. I was shut

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down logging for fire Watch fire season and he had

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a day off, and so we decided to go grouse hunting. Well,

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grouse hunting in September is an excuse to be in

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the woods when the elk or bugling. If you've never

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done that, you need to do it. It's absolutely magnificent.

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You haven't lived to you watched his big bulls bugling,

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and we happened on a herd of about one hundred

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elk and the herd bowl was a big five point

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and we followed them all public for three or four

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hours and finally came to a turk cut and it

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kind of had a box in the corner of the

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timber with a turk cut on two sides, and they

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either had to go out in the turk cut or

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come back by us, and about half of them did each.

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And that five point was up on a ridge and

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the clerk cut beautile and his throat out trying to

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get his cows, his ladies back together again, and he

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was not happy. So we decided it was time to

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leave them alone. Of course we'd gotten separated by that time.

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Garry was somewhere else, but that happened a lot with us.

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He was a forester also, so you know, we could

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meet and navigate anywhere in that timber without not having

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to worry about one of us getting lost. And I

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was working my way back alone and I saw an

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opening ahead of me, and generally that means a water hole,

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and it's always curious to see what's around a waterhole.

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So I decided to sneak in on it. And I

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got right to the edge of it, and great big

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spruce tree there, and I kind of sneaked up behind

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that and peeked around, and it wasn't a waterhole. It

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was an area blown down timber about five six acres

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and there were two bears. I thought if they were

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sitting there eating mushrooms, and then one of them stood up.

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That was no bear. He was about oh, probably forty

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forty five yards from me, and great big males ass

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watch and he looked around, made sure everything was all right,

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and kneeled back down and started eating the oyster mushroom

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to growing down trees. They're delicious, I envied him. And

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then his meat stood up. She looked around and back down,

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and I had about thirty minutes probably to watch something

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like this, And then in that time they moved within

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about thirty thirty five yards of me, and then I

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felt at gusta wing hit the back of my neck

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and I go oh, busted, and I had four eyeballs

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just snapped to me. So I just stepped out from

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the seat from that big spruit treet and just to

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let him know I must be there, and I said,

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you know, I'm just here watching you. I don't like

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to learn from you. Well, he stepped back, and he

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allowed the female to step in front of him to

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go back into the timber. And as she did, she

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picked up a baby and just put it on her

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cast and he held on while she made her way

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back in the timber, and I yelled out, thank you

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for sharing your family with me, and he turned around

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and I swear he nodded at me. I really to

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this day, and that's been this nineteen seventy two, I

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think to this day, you know, fifty two years later,

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I still think that he nodded at me before he

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turned and walked back into the timber. It was That

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was quite a and that's the first time I ever

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got to see them full on, one percent from head

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to toe and to sit and watch with them. That

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happened many times since then, but that was the first time.

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It was absolutely fantastic because you can imagine.

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Tom. That is absolutely incredible. I want to ask a

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question that to some people is going to sound really silly,

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but I'm just going to ask it. So you're in

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the early seventies. From what you just said, I'm guessing

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as of that time, you had no electronic devices on you.

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Correct, I had nothing, you know, done at all. I

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think I had a little camera, but there's you know,

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something mud be something like a sure shot or you know,

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nothing fancy at all.

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Do you think that because you didn't. There seems to

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be a conversation coming up in the community where people

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are wondering I think if they go into these areas

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without electronic devices on them. Oh yet, do you think

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that's connected at all times?

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Absolutely? Absolutely, leave that stuff at home. If you want

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to have an experience, leave that Leave the electronics at home.

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You know, I carry a camera, but they know me

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now and they know I'm good. I'm not even going

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to take a picture of the countryside unless I ask

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permission first, And even if there's nothing around, I will

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ask permission because I know they're watching me. They watched

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me when time. One hundred percent of the time I'm

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in there, and I always ask you, I'm going to

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take a picture now, so that's all right. And if

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I don't hear anything in contrary, then I'll go ahead

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and do it now. But always, and that's all I

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ever carry. The most I ever carry is a camera.

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I don't carry anything else. It's just I found out

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many many years ago that you carry electronics and they'll

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just avoid you.

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Who was your mentor in the field of bigfoot?

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Nobody. I just said that I just had to learn

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everything on my own as I went. As far as

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I knew, I was the only person that was even

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doing any study on them at all. My friend that

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I was with that day. He didn't believe in them.

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He thought they were a joke. My family just wanted

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to make fun of anything that I found. I quit

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talking to them about it, and I was entirely on

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my own for bees until twenty ten, okay until twenty

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I finally found on the internet twenty actually twenty on nine,

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and I found that there were other people around the

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country doing this, not many of them, but there were.

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And I found a person named Narla Williams Arle Colette

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now and she she's God got meythink. But up to

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that time, I had, you know, thirty years of facts

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and no way to collate them. And talking to Arla,

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I got started being able to collate them, and that

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really really helped. I helped unbelievably. I had to the point.

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It was September twenty fifth, twenty ten, when I met

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my teacher and he is a nine foot three inch

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Sasquatch named Akanisha, And that has just brought things together.

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Now I know why and believing there's still more mystery

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than there is a fact to them. But at least

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I at least I know what I'm doing in the

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direction I'm going, and I didn't for many many years.

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It's absolutely fascinating. So it sounds like you had a

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good thirty years where you were investigating researching sasquatch by

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yourself and really no contact with the outside research community.

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Were there any absolutely, were there any lessons that you

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learned during that time that you feel are just were

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invaluable to figure out looking back on that time, Yeah.

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A lot. Number one. I learned that they are not

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just an animal, that they are another US. Of course,

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there was no DNA work at that time, but just

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studying them, just being with them, being around them, there

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was just too much that they did that showed intelligence.

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One time I was on I can't remember the name

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of the creek out on the west end of the

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Olympic Peninsula. Pardon me, I'm maybe one years old, and

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then short term memory is terrible.

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Big for society will be right back after these messages.

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But I was on this creek. It was leighs and

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archery o season, and that's the reason I was out there,

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and I had been there most of the afternoon when

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I was where I was had my stand was in

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a little brush patch next to a major trail alongside

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this creek, and the creek was a series in this

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area was a series of beaver dams. There'd be a pond,

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a dam, another pond, the dam, and the pond behind

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that one right on up the creek and about oh,

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I don't know. It was probably three in the afternoon.

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In that area. At that time of the year, it's

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dark by four point thirty, so it was late in

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the day. I heard some splashing and I looked down

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the stream and I could see us I was watch

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it in the beaver pond, and actually I watched, and

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pretty quick there were two of them there, and turned

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out actually there were three of them before when they

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got close enough to me, when they got in the

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pond in front of me where I could watch what

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they're doing. They were running the salmon that were in

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the stream. Goodwin Creek was the name of the creek.

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They were running the salmon up against the beaver dam

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ahead of them and then picking them up. And as

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I watched him, he was squeezing them with his arm

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against his body, and some he would keep, some he

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would throw back. And it took me fifteen twenty twenty

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five minutes of watching to figure out what he was

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doing and what I finally realized he squeezed them. If

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nothing came out, he threw him back. Those were spawned out.

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But if eggs or sperm came out, they were fresh.

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They hadn't spawned yet. And I don't know if you

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know it about salmon, but once they spawn, they start

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just like they've got cancer and start dying, and I

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mean they change color, they get these big open sores

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on them. So, yeah, nobody's gonna want to eat that.

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Well they don't either. Yeah, they're intelligent enough know that.

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Then I look down in his thumbnail. He was close

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enough I could see it. It looks just like a

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knife the way it was shaped. And he was sitting

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right down the middle. If if they had eggs, he'd

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keep the eggs. If they didn't, heed to just keep

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the heart on the liver, okay, struggle the rest of

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it out, and then split the back. So he had

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cut them on each side of the spine and then

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hang them over a tree, lamb. Well, if you're fishing,

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and when it got time to leave, they took them

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all with them. That's a high degree of intelligence to

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do that, to fillaw them out like that. Number one,

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to check them to see if they're fawn number two

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to follow them like that to dry, and they dry

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them just like the Indians did and store them. So yeah,

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that's a high degree of intelligence there. I knew even then.

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Since I met my teacher, I realized just how high

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it is. But at that time I had no doubt

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that they were an intelligent being. Just looked kind of strange.

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Tom, Can you share the story of how you met

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your teacher?

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Sure? Sure? Like I said, it was the twenty fifth

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of September twenty ten, and I had been cabin doowns.

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Got to remember I lived in the desert then, and

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it was hot, and I didn't go out much. During

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the heat. I would worked, but the job I had

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was absolutely fantastic. I was twenty by twenty ten. I

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was retired, but my last job was as a an

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engineer estimating an engineer for an asphalt company. And if

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it was hot, I'd go to the library or go

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to the contractor's office where they where they put all

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the upcoming jobs forbid and find out what was coming

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up and who was bidding on it, and you know,

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stay in the cool. If it was cool, i'd work

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to go out and work the field somewhere so it

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was a fun job, and actually it's the fun most

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fun job I ever had in my life, other than

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falling timber and doing this when they wasn't trying to

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kill me with every tree they came to. But on

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the that but I retired, they forced me to retire

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in two thousand and seven. My heart went story on me.

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And so twenty ten I was going to take a trip,

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just to day trip, maybe stay overnight, just to get

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out of the house. In September, late September it cooled

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off enough. Plus that's the time between the end of

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of archery elk season and the beginning the muzzle order

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our elk season, and it's the time when the elk

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are muling the most. I mean, they're deep rut and

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you never know what you're going to see. So I

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was decided to go take this trip, and I mentioned

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it Arla, and but two days before I was going

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to go, she says, this road you're going on, does

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is there a big pollowood on that? And I said, well,

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the road I'm going on I've never been on. I've

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been on the top of the ridge both sides of

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this of this river it's Tushi River, but I've never

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been on this road because it was a Boise Cascade

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tree farm prior, and they shut it down and beaded

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it over to the Matilla Indian Reservation, the tribes of

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the Indian Reservation, and they've had it shut while they

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rebuilt the road. It was in terrible condition. Now the

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road's finished and maybe they've got the gate opened and

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it's accessible, and I wanted to just go in and

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check it out. And she said, well, I see a

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large male sasquatch with a red stripe on his chest. Uh,

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and he's looking for you. Now, you've got to remember

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Arla is very much of a shaman. She's half Cherokee,

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quarter choked Off, and quarter Scottish, so all three are mystics.

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But she has She's amazed me and what she's done

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on many times. One time prior to this occasion, my

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heart was giving me a bad time, bad enough. I

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called the paramedics. They came. I was on the gurney

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headed out the door when my phone rang in Washington.

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She's in eastern Oklahoma, and she says, who are those people?

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And what's wrong with you? Now, if that doesn't blow

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you away, there's nothing in the world going to and

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so I explained. But so she told me about this this,

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I said, well, I'll do is I'll drive in and

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if I find a pile of wood, I'll just set

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up there. I don't know where I'm going, but I'm

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just going to set up a little my watch station.

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And when I go, when I'm researching Sasquatch, I don't

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go trumping in the woods, never have. What I do

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is I take my bolding chair. And I learned this

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from those early days when I was sitting there drawing

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up my bridge site and they'd come peek at me.

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I have a holding chair, I open it up. I

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have a nice chest with the fried chicken hips and

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boiled eggs and diet PEPSI in it. And I have

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my kindle. I opened the chair, put my bottom down

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in it, grab a chicken hip, a boiled egg, and

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a diet PEPSI open my kindle and I read. And

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within an hour there'll be somebody peeking around a tree

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at me. And usually now and that at that age,

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I was seeing more and more of them, and so

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I just I'd found a pile of timber timber that

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she was talking about, and I just sat up there

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it was a nice htile area. I put my uh

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my step on the stop, got a little older type

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set up that I use some uh it's like incense,

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only actually it's a it's a it smells like berries.

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It's just great. And my eagle feathers and hang them

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and then I just sit and wait. And about two

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in the afternoon, I missed time one thing on this

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trade ship. I had timed all right for the off season.

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Deer season was done, but I forgot paul turkey season.

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Now nobody goes says I'm going turkey hunting in September,

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But it's a great excuse to take the gun on

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the truck and go for a ride on a Saturday, Okay,

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And that's what happened. I had four trucks past me

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and one set of three horses right coming out of

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the high country there and about two in the afternoon,

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and this is the first time I've ever had them

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speak to me telepathically, okay. And I get this message

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and said I can't come out. There's too many people

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they might find might see me. Oh, I'm sorry about that.

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I didn't have to be here today. It could have

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been Tuesday. I'm retired. I there's a little bit of

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Tuesday instead of a Saturday. And I had stopped and

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picked a box of apples in a box of grapes

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for them on my way out and had them there

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and I asked, do you need me to leave the

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fruit for you? And if you've ever the sasquatch laughs,

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it's worthwhile, especially when it's nine foot three inches tall,

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got a chest like, oh, you can't believe his shoulders

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are like fifty four inches apart across. He's saying, you

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can imagine what his chest looks like. And it's just

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a big rumble. And he says, have you looked at

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the river? And I, oh, okay, you could walk across

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the river on the salmon that we're in it. So, no,

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they weren't hurting for food right then he said, perhaps

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if you brought them in the time of the white stuff.

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I said, okay, I can do that. I can do that.

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So I said it would it be just as well

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that I went home now and came back another day. He's, yes,

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that would probably be good. So that's what I did.

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I packed everything up, put my chair away, put my

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ice chest away, put my candle away, and I had

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one foot in the car. I had my right foot

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under the steering wheel, sitting down in the driver's seat.

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And he stood up across me, across the little road there,

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about twelve feet from me, and I wanted you to

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see me before you left, to know that I'm real

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and I'll contact you later on. I said, okay, we

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can do that, and he'd been He just disappeared right

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out in there and standing right in front of me,

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and his head had just reached a major crossband. There

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was a little hawthorn tree there and he was standing

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right under it, and his tree had just reached a

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major branch of that tree. So I was majored dad

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just to see. And he's nine foot three inches tall.

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And I named that hawthorn tree Nathaniel, But you know

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what else are you going to name a hawthorn? Right?

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And so he left. I left in a few days later.

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I got a can you come out anytime soon? I

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can come out anytime you want me to tomorrow. Then,

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so I went out and the gate was shut. Who

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was midweek And the gate was shut into that road

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right at the end of that property. There's nobody there is.

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It's a big, wide open area. I parked there and

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walked up the road in lit the ways and looked

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up on the hill. There he is. And he has

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his daughter with him at this time, and she's red body,

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her whole body is red hair, and she's hiding behind Dad,

454
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.400
peeking around his legg's at me. He's probably seven or

455
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:50.440
eight years old at the time. And he said, I

456
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:55.160
know you have some concerns about you. What were you're

457
00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:01.759
you're learning from us and your priesthood that you He says,

458
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:06.079
know this, we have the same creator, We serve the

459
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.400
same creator. And I asked him, I said, well, what

460
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.319
about Christ? Do you know about Christ? Yes, Christ is

461
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:18.960
a savior for mankind, not for us. And the next

462
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.400
question I asked, well, do you have a savior? And

463
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.759
the answer is when I hear a lot from him

464
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.400
that's not for you to know at this time. But

465
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.079
what he's conveyed was he'd like to have we be

466
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.519
their scribe. And that's why I've written fifteen books over

467
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.880
the next twelve years.

468
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.759
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

469
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.200
That is absolutely incredible. So the books that you've been writing,

470
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.599
you're saying they've been telling you to write down things

471
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.559
in these books.

472
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.359
Yes, he quite often will make sure that I know

473
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.640
something so I can write about it, and I write

474
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:27.160
two different ways. Some of them like Sadequatch of Truth,

475
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.920
twenty one Days to Destiny, Sasquat Search for a new Man,

476
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.119
Sasquatch Face to Pace, those are all one true facts.

477
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:47.839
They're nonfiction. Others like Martie's Story After Armageddon, the other

478
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:55.119
four they're novels, but they have story, you know, facts

479
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.960
about Sasquatch in them. And what I do here, I

480
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.599
do this so that they can't hate. If I want

481
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.839
to tell something really critical or important about them, I'll

482
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:11.000
include it in a novel. Then when somebody attached me

483
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.279
about hey, it's a novel, they can't argue. It frustrates

484
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.920
the daylights out of them. And I love that. But

485
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:25.359
to anybody to whom it's important, those those things dealing

486
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:31.880
with usquatching, those books are one hundred true. So I

487
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.200
mean true in my vision. You got to remember, we

488
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.440
all see things in light of our own history.

489
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:42.720
Okay, so.

490
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.079
What I see may not be with somebody else we see.

491
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.920
I don't know. It's just how I see it. That's

492
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:55.119
how I readate it. And you know, I don't tell untruth. Don't.

493
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.680
I don't make you make up stories, but other people

494
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.480
may have had different experiences time. That's all right.

495
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:10.400
Yes, that first interaction with your teachers is very very

496
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:16.519
interesting and it just there's a lot to learn from that.

497
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:26.640
Just a random question. Do you know how many toes

498
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:27.680
that they had?

499
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.640
Oh? Some have most have five, some have six, and

500
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.079
I've even seen some with four.

501
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.759
Okay, So you have seen actual ones that have four.

502
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:40.480
Absolutely.

503
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:45.640
So I've interviewed people for a few years now in

504
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.599
the subject, and something that will come up, and I'm

505
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.160
curious about your thoughts on it is there are certain

506
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.920
parts of the US, like southeast Alaska, where if there's

507
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.640
four toad sasquatch that lead to some really you know,

508
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.599
interesting interactions. Have you found that the number of toes,

509
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.000
if there's a four toad sasquatch, that things can you know,

510
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.360
turn south pretty quick?

511
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.360
Or No? I sat with the group that had all three,

512
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.239
some had four, some had most had five, and a

513
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.760
few had six. And that was in and Prince of

514
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.000
Wales Island, Alaska, Okay, and uh okay, that with a

515
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.920
group of eighteen of them at a funeral. Uh yeah,

516
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.960
so and that they had you know, very It just

517
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:47.079
very I find that most negative interactions, actually, I find

518
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.960
that all negative interactions are caused by the human being

519
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.519
and the interaction. There's a lack of respect there somewhere

520
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:02.519
that creates a problem. Okay. The last thing that a

521
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.079
species like them would want to do, who are trying

522
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:12.880
to stay hidden, is to attack the dominant species in

523
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:18.280
the bio. They will do not want to be brought

524
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:23.599
to attention, okay, but they can be. You can do

525
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:30.000
things wrong. Also, in my book of Sasquatch, Face to

526
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.920
Pace as a compilation of thirty two face to pace

527
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.400
encounters across the country, and you wouldn't believe how many

528
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.719
of them expressed how frightened they were fighting further alive.

529
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.519
They could absolutely couldn't move, they were so scared, and

530
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.960
all of us didn't are standing there looking at them.

531
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:56.199
Your mind gets out of control. Okay, your mind does

532
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:01.679
strange things to you. Back in twenty fourteen, I was

533
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.159
driving back into camp. We were camped in northern California

534
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:11.559
on Blue Creek, which is next ridge over from Bluff Creek,

535
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.400
where Bob and Roger had got their film, and I

536
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.480
was right at the head of Bluff Creek. I was

537
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.039
coming back to town. I had to go to town

538
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:26.440
to get the gas for my tent heater. And at

539
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.800
Mafus fourteen, right at the head of Bluff Creek on

540
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.519
the Go road, we came around the corner and there's

541
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.280
two of them standing right square in the middle of

542
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.119
the road. By the time I got my car stopped,

543
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.679
I was not more than twenty feet from them, and

544
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.400
I had two people in the car with me. The

545
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:49.559
lady in the passenger seat was from England and she'd

546
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:55.079
come over just for that outing, and Narla was in

547
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:59.480
the back seat. And the first thing that Jackie did.

548
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.840
This this is Jackie Talks. I've talked to Jackie three

549
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.760
to four years ago about this. Oh yeah, right ahead, Okay,

550
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:08.639
this is interesting.

551
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:17.119
Yeah, yeah, because it's the most exciting, illustrated, illustrative mind

552
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.960
thing that I've ever seen. But she just yelled out

553
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:27.159
as loud as she could, I need to rattle the car.

554
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.320
They turned and two steps, they were three quarters from

555
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.079
to seven eighths across the road. They turned, went back

556
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.280
across the road, across the shoulder, and down the bank

557
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:44.960
in two steps. As they disappeared, one of them said,

558
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.360
I'm the one you know, as Patty, this is my son,

559
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.199
and I said, wow, you know that's that's pretty cool.

560
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.679
But Jackie was totally new though they were sasquatched in

561
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.679
the thirty and then pardon me, we were a mile

562
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.559
post fourteen and the twenty miles back to our camp.

563
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.360
She had convinced herself that she had not seen two

564
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.159
sasquats down in the road, she had seen two Mexican

565
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:21.679
drug mules wearing long haired Gillie suits, backpacks, wearing flipflops.

566
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.000
Why because her mind didn't know what sasquatch was, but

567
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.920
it knew what Mexican drug mules were. It didn't know

568
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.880
what Harry's body was, but it knew what a Gillie

569
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.559
suit was, and didn't know what a humped shoulder was,

570
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.119
but knew what a rucksack was, and didn't know what

571
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:48.639
Osman pads were on the feet, but knew what flip

572
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:53.480
flops were. So she just rationalized all this back into

573
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.280
that's what it had to be. And it was probably

574
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:01.440
two or three days later, arlassist, Jackie, do you realize

575
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.320
you've traveled six thousand miles to see what you saw,

576
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:09.000
and now your mind's not letting you see it, and

577
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.360
that got her started thinking, and by the time we

578
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.679
got back to the air Portland Portland, she had straightened

579
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.159
it all out and understand and understood what her mind

580
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.079
had done to her and understood what she had actually seen.

581
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.840
But that was so so fascinating to watch happened. It

582
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:26.559
was unreal.

583
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.480
That is incredible to hear that side of the story.

584
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.320
Thank you Tom for bringing that up. That's that is

585
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.840
really really cool, because it's been a long time since

586
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.280
I've been able to talk to her. I did want

587
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.239
to before we get too far away from it. So

588
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.760
when I was talking about Southeast Alaska, I was actually

589
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.000
referring to Prince of Wales Island. I just didn't come

590
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.400
out and say it. But I'm curious, So did you

591
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.760
you went up there to go look for sasquatch or

592
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:57.360
how did that?

593
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.519
Oh? No, trip go. I went up to sam fishing,

594
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.360
and after three days I'd caught so many salmon that

595
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.000
I was tired of salmon fishion, and I just took out.

596
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.440
I took my gold pan and headed up into the

597
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:16.119
hills looking first streamed pan to work my pan in.

598
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.800
There was a creak, and I wanted to do that,

599
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.719
And it turned out that that the creek I wanted

600
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.280
to work on came out of a lake, so that

601
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.440
kind of missed that up for me. And so I

602
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:38.000
just was out wandering around and came on this group

603
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.400
of sasquatch and they asked me if I wanted to

604
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.599
join with them. Is to go and understand, when one

605
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.199
knows something, they all know it. So whenever wherever I go,

606
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.000
they know who I am, and I don't have to

607
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:56.760
don't have to wait for them at all.

608
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.239
Can you describe how those sasquatch looked like that you

609
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.559
saw on that island specifically.

610
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.199
Oh, just the same as any other buried in color

611
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.079
from There were no redwoods in that group, but there

612
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:16.199
were from white to black and everything in between, just

613
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.000
like they're just like our hair color varies, so des

614
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:25.719
airs and they were. They were all of a size,

615
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.079
you know, they were much bigger than me. I was

616
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.239
just looking at them from somewhere between just above the

617
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.039
navel to the middle age middle to chest and hype uh,

618
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.039
And it's just it's just that's how it was. They

619
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.599
were run of the mill, and like I said, it

620
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:48.239
was a burial ceremony that they'd asked me to attend

621
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.239
with them, and I was with eighteen males and there

622
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.360
were some females too. For the ceremony, the males and

623
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.440
females separated and one on the one side and one

624
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.440
on the other side.

625
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.239
What was your part in the ceremony? Was it just

626
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:04.760
to watch what was going on there?

627
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.880
Just to watch?

628
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.119
Did you get any feeling as to if it was

629
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.159
a natural death or if something.

630
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.880
That was natural? Okay, it was natural? Yeah, and you

631
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.880
other remember not like state of Washington, there's about three

632
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.840
hundred in the state of Washington, seventy two thousand square miles.

633
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.239
They live about one hundred years nominally unless an accident happens,

634
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.360
but their age is about one hundred years. Now, that

635
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.840
means that in the state of Washington, in those seventy

636
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.320
two thousand square miles, there will be three deaths a year.

637
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.400
Does that answer a year why you don't find a body?

638
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.440
Yeah, I definitely would make it a lot more sense.

639
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.400
So are they actually burying them like we do, you know,

640
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.719
digging a hole in the ground and.

641
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.480
They all way down? Yeah, way down, and you wouldn't

642
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:07.719
I know what they look like, so I know what

643
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.239
to look for, but you would never believe it was

644
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:17.920
a grave. If you found one. Yeah, they'll transport transfer trees,

645
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:24.000
transplant trees a foot and a half in diameter over

646
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.320
the top of the grave. Any the year, you'll never

647
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.840
know that they hadn't lived there forever. And yeah, admit,

648
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.920
you'll never find their graves.

649
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.920
How far down are they usually having to dig.

650
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.599
From anywhere from four feet to twenty feet depending on

651
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.119
the soil.

652
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.840
Does is the tree? Does a tree act as a

653
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.199
sort of sort of marker? Do they have like a

654
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.440
marker that honors that like we do.

655
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.239
They'll put a big rock there for that. Yeah, I

656
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.599
think that's the purpose of that. But they'll plant, you know,

657
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.039
towards three trees just to disguise it as what that's for.

658
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:11.239
Very interesting. What are your thoughts on There's there's a whole,

659
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.480
a whole lot in the community in the last few

660
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.079
years of tree structures and axes and is that a

661
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.840
thing that you would ever notice in your research going far?

662
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:30.639
Absolutely? Okay. My partners and I did ah a five

663
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:38.639
year study on their glyphs and their their structures. We

664
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.079
did it in BC, and one of one of my

665
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.079
partners lived in BC and had a great place to

666
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.880
do it, and so that's where we did the study. Uh,

667
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:55.440
and yes, they very definitely are are. They're a way

668
00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:01.079
of communication, most of the glyphs, and it's mostly between them.

669
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.519
If the glyph is for you, you'll have no fun,

670
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.119
no trouble in understanding. You may have you may have

671
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.360
to think about it a little bit, but you'll have

672
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.480
no trouble in understanding it. If it's not for you,

673
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.760
you're reading somebody else's mail. And that's difficult to do

674
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.679
because I mean, just look at English and take the

675
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.760
word bow and tell me what it means. You know,

676
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.039
it could be a ribbon in your hair. It could

677
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.840
be a bend at the waist. It could be the

678
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.559
front end of a ship. It can be something to

679
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:40.760
loan scenario with all of them the same word. Right.

680
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:43.000
It's all about context.

681
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.920
That is, it's all about context. And if you don't

682
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:50.000
if it's not for you, you don't know the context,

683
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.960
so it's impossible to know the meaning. Bigs.

684
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.480
A society will be right back after these messages.

685
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:18.119
H Okay. One thing I will tell you there are

686
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:25.679
general signs that generally mean a specific area of thought.

687
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:32.519
The access almost always a welcome, welcome, a friendship sign. Uh.

688
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:38.039
The asterisk is a power sign, power symbol. Uh, you know,

689
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.280
so those are pretty common. You find a lot of

690
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:48.039
both of those. And when you find an asterisk that's

691
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.599
tied in the center, and I've got a few of those,

692
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.360
you know that that puts a special emphasis on it.

693
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:09.000
That's a very special spot.

694
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.199
On your website. I saw that it makes mention of

695
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.960
a c upcoming expedition, and it also makes mention of

696
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.239
a prior expedition back in twenty fourteen right at the

697
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.840
Go Road, specifically Elk Meadows, and that it was a

698
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.840
very interesting expedition. Would you be able to share maybe

699
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.320
a little bit about what happened on that.

700
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.079
Expedition part of that I already told you the deal

701
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.000
Chackie happened on that way.

702
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.599
So that's the same thing. Okay, perfect, great.

703
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:42.239
Yeah, okay, okay, I was curious. Yeah, And oh my heavens,

704
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:47.079
we saw had five sasquatch sightings right in camp, the

705
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.760
two on the road. We had them in the camp

706
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.880
all night long, every night. That camp is where the

707
00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:03.440
term Sashquatch begnata came from. Kathy, one of the people there.

708
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.679
She likes to put her tent away from everybody else

709
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.159
so that the young ones will come play with their

710
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.280
can at night, and she talks to him, has a

711
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:18.039
great time. About the third morning, she came to the

712
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.639
fire and her eyes like I two burgholes a blanket.

713
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.000
She had ny sleep at all, you know. And Arla says,

714
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.239
you know, what's the matter, Kathy? Are she getting any sleep?

715
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.519
She says, no. They won't let me sleep, you know.

716
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.599
You know, I try to get to sleep and they

717
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:40.679
pope me through the tent. She said, Kat sleep at all? Well,

718
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.800
she says, tell them that that you need your sleep

719
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:48.039
and leave you alone tonight. He said, can I do that? Arsad?

720
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:52.559
Sure you can't, because she said, okay, okay, guys, listen up,

721
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:57.320
you leave me alone tonight. Go play with Nancy. Poor Nancy.

722
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.719
She and her husband Russ were down at the other

723
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:07.079
end of the meadow and they slept in on hammocks,

724
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.920
and those little guys they'd run by, and as they

725
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.199
ran by, they'd pop them on the butt in the hammock.

726
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.199
And that's what that's where the turns I squatched Prignotta

727
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:26.440
came from another thing that all happened. Oh jeseus, we

728
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.639
had him all around the camp. Kathy was walking back

729
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.440
to her tent from She and I sat up late

730
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.679
one night talking. She's been a good friend for so

731
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.840
many years, and I had gone to bed, I'd headed

732
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.599
for my tent, and she made sure the fire was

733
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.400
down in good shape, that there was wood there for

734
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.280
the morning. Was it was late. It was after eleven

735
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.519
o'clock and usually I'm in bed by eight eight thirty.

736
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:59.320
And she's walking back to her tent and walks right

737
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.400
face to face into one I mean six eight feet

738
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:07.800
and it just frozer in place, absolutely, frozer in place.

739
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:14.159
You've got to remember, this is a safety factory. They

740
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:19.119
do that because then they can get away and you

741
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.039
don't go running off running a mark across the field

742
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.880
or something like. Where we were there there were trenches

743
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.360
all over the place and you could run off into

744
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.360
one of those and kill yourself. And so it kept

745
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:38.079
her still well. They moved out about a position and

746
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:45.840
then I'm in my tent and you're Tib, Tib, come

747
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.960
here and help me. I need you, so, okay, Kath,

748
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.000
help me. Let me put my pants bag on because

749
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.519
I was just getting in bed. I'd already gotten taken

750
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.199
my medications or the evening and was just just laying

751
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.360
down on my bed and got back up, pulled my

752
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.639
pants all night, didn't put the bitch shoes on. And

753
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.800
it's cold. I mean, we're fifty five hundred and six

754
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:16.360
thousand feet elevation in mid June. It's cold that night.

755
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.639
And I get over there and here she has been

756
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.880
over That's what happened, Kevin. She's I don't know. All

757
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.599
I saw was a great, bigger redwood log standing up right,

758
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.280
she said. I couldn't see himove his waist, but I

759
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.480
saw these two bigger redwood lugs. And I looked up

760
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.800
and he was back behind it by a tree. There's

761
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.760
a porter from senior tree that grew just behind her tent,

762
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.440
and he was standing there with that. And the funny

763
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.960
thing is they were apologizing to one another, and neither

764
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.800
one was listening to the other one. And it was

765
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.599
so funny. And I advised told him. I says, okay, brother,

766
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.679
I've got her. You can let her go now. You agree,

767
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.360
lease her. I'll make sure she doesn't run them ug

768
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.480
and he did. And I told her, I just grab

769
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.960
you a cap and throw out my tent and stay

770
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.400
there tonight. And you know that that bothered her though

771
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.039
for quite a while. It's just been the last couple

772
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.679
of years now that she's pretty much returned to normal

773
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.920
and able to face him again. And she didn't realize

774
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.480
what they'd done or why they'd done it. She knew

775
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.440
what they'd done, but not why they'd done it. And

776
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.280
actually she found that out. She's a little bit better

777
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.480
with it, and she's back pretty much of normal now,

778
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:41.480
well normal for Cathy anyway. But yeah, that's just a

779
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.880
few of the things that have happened here. I wrote

780
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:48.480
what four or five different essays on things that happened

781
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.119
in that twenty fourteen camp, and what I want to

782
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.719
do in twenty and twenty twenty five is return there

783
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.280
and I want to make this the event of the

784
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:07.599
decade of the twenty twenties, things that nobody's ever done

785
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.360
before in a on a camp out there. I will

786
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:18.960
have to limit the people that come, but we're going

787
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.199
to have a presentation every day by one person or another.

788
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:31.480
We're going to do a expedition into the Patterson Givelan

789
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.360
film site, probably an overnighter. We will have several different

790
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:42.760
interest groups formed. There'll be one interest group headed by

791
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:48.039
somebody that's well knowledge in Sasquatch. There'll be another interest

792
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:52.559
group headed by somebody that's well informed on orbs. There'll

793
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:56.719
be another one, maybe owned little people, maybe on ets.

794
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:02.280
And we haven't decided that. We haven't meet a a

795
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.320
planning meeting coming up after our camp out in the

796
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.920
Blue Mountains this week, so next week or two we'll

797
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:14.559
plan that and get things decided, end up and figured out.

798
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.840
But it's on my website, and my website is easy

799
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.239
to find. It's just my name dot com, Tomcantrall dot com.

800
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.079
And the reason I did that is I started out

801
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.960
when I first had a website, I used my first

802
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:34.920
book name go through Ruby Ridge dot com. But by

803
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.000
the time I'd written ten books, the name of my

804
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.599
website was too long to handle anymore.

805
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:46.039
Gotcha. It seems like a really interesting fun time and

806
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.800
I'll definitely have the link to that in the show

807
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.559
notes for this.

808
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.400
Okay, thank you, Tom.

809
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.679
Have you ever well? So there's a question I asked

810
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.760
a lot of times, and I think I already know

811
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.400
the answer because of how yours accounts have been so far.

812
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.280
I'm just gonna ask it though. Has there ever been

813
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.559
a time when you're in the woods there's been sasquatch

814
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:11.480
involved where things just get really intense, and you're like,

815
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:13.960
I don't want to be in this situation right now.

816
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.320
I'd rather be out of this situation.

817
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.880
Yes, okay, oh, yes, that's happened. And usually it's because

818
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:25.360
I've gotten somewhere where I shouldn't be, okay, And usually

819
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.079
that involves a mother and a child. But I solved it.

820
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.800
I just left, Okay, And don't try to push them.

821
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.199
I don't care what species you're talking about. A mother

822
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:44.880
is gonna protect your children and with any means possible. Also,

823
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:51.480
juvenile or adolescent males. Nobody gets in more trouble and

824
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.679
any species than adolescent males. Okay. They do the weirdest things.

825
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:05.239
There's no accounting for them. Okay, And uh, that's it's

826
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.719
it's a terrible thing. We just leave, say hey, I

827
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.559
don't want to disturb you. Talk to them, Please talk

828
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.280
to them. They'll understand you. And just say hey, I

829
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.079
don't want to DISTURBU you. I don't want any trouble.

830
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:24.800
I'll just leave now and come back later. That's no problem.

831
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.840
You know, we're in their home. What would you do

832
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:33.559
if somebody came in your home right and started out? Okay?

833
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.280
Was that in the Pacific Northwest? That that happened.

834
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.159
Oh, I've had that happen in Georgia. I've had it

835
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.519
happen in Oklahoma, had it happened in Alaska, I've had

836
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:48.000
BC everywhere. It's the same thing. Yeah.

837
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:52.159
I wanted to ask you about a specific place, just something,

838
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.639
a place that's kept coming up a few times from

839
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.679
different people. Is have you heard anything about Spirit Lake

840
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.280
in or again in the Wilamotte National Forest?

841
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:03.760
Oh?

842
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.000
Yeah, is there anything you can share about that area.

843
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.079
I'm not that familiar with it. I've just heard stories about.

844
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.079
Yeah, so you had not been You have heard sasquash

845
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:17.519
experiences from that area?

846
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.760
Oh? Yes, yes, Oh wow.

847
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.800
I've heard some pretty uh intense things from people that

848
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.960
are not researchers, that are not you know, in quotations

849
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.320
bigfoot people, but they have been in that area doing

850
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:40.039
nature things and they've run into these creatures. So I

851
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:44.440
think that area in the wilama is a very active

852
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.360
area just from character.

853
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:51.920
Entire. While I'm at National Forest exactly if I've been

854
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.559
and other places in there and just had great, great, great,

855
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.960
great things happened. That's where I had my first heating

856
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:06.639
uh experience. Uh was it was the South southwest of

857
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.639
Mount Hood in the Alignment National Forest, and we were

858
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:23.239
in camp with Jeff Rohn and Jim Uh don't don't

859
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.360
get older now weather right, Yeah, but some of the

860
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:33.079
old organs as watched people Autumn Williams, that old group wow.

861
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.360
And there are about ten or twelve of us in

862
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:42.639
camp there and my partner, UH research partner, Sue, and

863
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:47.159
I were invited to join him. And I was feeling, Oh,

864
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.440
I was terrible. My heart was out of sink and

865
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:59.440
it was absolutely absolutely out of this world. Hurry man,

866
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:05.519
I can barely breathe, I could, I could barely do anything.

867
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:09.679
And Jim, Jim to mean told Jeff. He says, I

868
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.639
don't think we're going to see tom here tomorrow. And

869
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.960
I wasn't. I was headed back to town to head

870
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:18.840
to a doctor. And that night and so i'd like

871
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.880
the second or third night in camp, U saw squatch

872
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.119
had been around our cants all that long. I mean,

873
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:31.000
I had, you know, footprints sixteen inches long right next

874
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.360
to my camp. And on this particular night, I woke

875
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:40.039
up just before daylight and there was a buzzing sound

876
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.159
and Sue was away, She's where's that buzzing sound coming? From,

877
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.000
I said, right out of my chest. And it was

878
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:52.199
if you point to points your finger right below your sternum,

879
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.559
right at the base of the sternum. That's where I

880
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:56.840
was coming from. As a matter of fact, it burned

881
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.199
a spot in my skin, and I've got pictures of it.

882
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:03.440
I posted of it, of that burned spot. And it

883
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.800
stayed for actually stayed for a couple of years before

884
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:14.199
finally went away. And it was just a sound. And

885
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.760
I thought it went for fifteen or twenty minutes before

886
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.360
it stopped. Two got up. She looked outside the tent,

887
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.119
but didn't see anything. She never went outside. She did look,

888
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.039
I found out later she said, no, no, that was

889
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.000
been going on for two or three hours. And what

890
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.519
it did it reset my heart. My heart is in

891
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:42.559
as in fibrillation all the time, one hundred percent of time.

892
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.840
But it made it so it was in rhythm again.

893
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:50.400
And they did at that time. They did it one

894
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.360
more time in a camp later on up in northern Idaho.

895
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:55.039
They treated it.

896
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:58.000
A end big So society will be right back after

897
01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:58.800
these messages.

898
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.519
Uh, And that happened first time in the land of

899
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.639
the Lambit. Wow.

900
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:29.679
Uh, that's incredible. I mean, that's that's amazing that that

901
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.960
was able to happen. And it's definitely a good thing

902
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:33.679
that was able to happen as well.

903
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:39.159
They've kept me alive, they already have exactly. I just

904
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:42.480
just this last week, I had a siege that hit me.

905
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.280
I called for help from my teacher and it just

906
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:51.760
went away, just like you snapped your fingers. Wow. The

907
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.440
last three days, my blood cresure has been way high

908
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.760
all at once. I asked him for help and just

909
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:05.320
warn't as normal. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be alive

910
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:06.360
now if it weren't for them.

911
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.159
That's extremely interesting. So you've mentioned you've been all over

912
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:18.119
the US looking for sasquatch, which is incredible. Over the years,

913
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.039
did you ever were you ever able to go down

914
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:22.360
to Southeast Oklahoma?

915
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.800
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, I spoke of the home of

916
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.960
the conference there a couple of different years and all

917
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.000
I lives in Southeast Oklahoma, Okay, and yeah, so that's

918
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:39.079
one of my favorite areas because they're all over down there,

919
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.719
and but one of my favorite occurrences happened in Georgia

920
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:48.480
at our camp there. Okay, we're west of west of Atlanta,

921
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.199
only about eight or ten miles from the Alabama line,

922
01:02:53.039 --> 01:03:00.360
and we're in camp eighteen of us around a camp fire,

923
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:02.440
and two of them come and stood right behind me

924
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:08.719
at the campfire. So I tell people, if anybody wants

925
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.239
to call that one a liar, they've got to call

926
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:16.280
eighteen people a liar, including the Georgia Superior Court judge.

927
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:17.719
Who was there.

928
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:25.000
Yeah, oh wow, yep. And they they turned and walked

929
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:29.360
back in the brush. Lah Keith Bearden.

930
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.000
I've been trying to talk to Keith for a long time.

931
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.920
Yep. Oh, if you do tell him, I said, I

932
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.960
sent you, all right, he'll talk to all right, good friend.

933
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:47.400
And two other people anyway, oh, Jonathan Goebbels and a

934
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.559
young young man I can't remember his name, Jack Jack.

935
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:56.000
And they took off and walked back in the brush fall.

936
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:58.519
And there was a third one back there that wouldn't

937
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.599
come out, but I did. I had two of them

938
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:06.960
stand right behind me as campfire. I looked up over backwards,

939
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:15.920
upside upside down, sasquats looking at me. Yeah and yeah,

940
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.599
but all all everybody there, so.

941
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:25.119
H tom At. You know, over the years that you

942
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.000
were your researching, were you at any point able to

943
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:35.039
get evidence like did you ever cast footprints or trying

944
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.719
to get photo evidence or audio recordings or anything.

945
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:44.679
No, I never tried the photos and audio. But yeah,

946
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.440
I cast enough footprints, had my garage full of them,

947
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.800
and finally gave them all away. And now I've been

948
01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:03.719
working working on just things. I'm sure I just did

949
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:09.199
a presentation there. I've put together a PowerPoint and we're

950
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:14.239
going to do the presentation on it online here sometime

951
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:20.599
the next week or two on absolute scientific proof of

952
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.960
not only their existence but the veracity of the patters.

953
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:32.719
Medium Lunfeld. It's a very simple system and it's called

954
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.800
in rememberable in days. It's just something that's taught in

955
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.719
every anatomy class in the country. And what it is

956
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.920
is the ratio of your arm link to your leg link.

957
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:51.360
In US, that ratio is seventy two. Our arms are

958
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:55.320
seventy two percent of the length of our legs. In

959
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.119
chimpanzees it's one hundred and five. Their arms are just

960
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:03.039
slightly longer in their legs. In gorillas it's one hundred

961
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:09.199
and twenty two. They're substantially longer than their legs sasquatch,

962
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.400
if you ever worked at frame three fifty four, where

963
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:19.559
she's looking back in her arms extended. Okay, you can

964
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:23.320
tell their arms are longer right there. And remember ling

965
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:27.760
is eighty four. And if you ever want to, if

966
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:33.000
you ever want to check the veracity of a photograph,

967
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:38.320
check the intermemberble index on it. Everything in UTV puts

968
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:46.320
out is seventy two. It's all human. The Bob Heronymous

969
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:53.719
suit seventy two, who was at Leroy Blevins, who said

970
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:59.599
he debunked the Patterson givenment thelm entirely and they learned

971
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:04.639
how to walk and all of that. Do the inner

972
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.960
memberland Dick, it's seventy two. Do it on Patty it's

973
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:15.199
eighty four. Do it on the fourth of July footage

974
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:20.400
it's eighty four. Okay, do it. Do it on the

975
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:24.000
Marble Mountain footage it's eighty four.

976
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:24.840
Is it really?

977
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:31.119
Do it on on Paul Freeman's eighty four?

978
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.199
Is is it really? Okay? Wow?

979
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:40.079
Yep? Do it on Tom Seward's stuff that he posted

980
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:45.519
with seventy two. Do it on Tom Standings it's seventy two.

981
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:50.159
Gotcha, Okay, that's incredible.

982
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.920
Yeah, So that's all you have to do. I've in

983
01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:00.480
March seventy two, so I've bet what I've done as

984
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.440
I've taken testimony of experts on the Patterson Givenlan film,

985
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:10.719
starting with John Chambers and UH doctor Liams and UH

986
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:19.520
doctor Andrew Nelson, Uh, Jeff Jeff Melberm and Bill Muns.

987
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.479
I don't know how much Bill Muns you've done, but

988
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.760
that man has got the best best in the world

989
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:30.439
at proving it. And uh read his book When Roger

990
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:35.319
Met Patty and look at his you as a YouTube site,

991
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:40.000
Bill Mun's reports. When you get done there, there's no

992
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.520
way that you can even consider that it's anything but

993
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.800
the real thing. And people who were still arguing that

994
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.359
it's a fake just have no idea what they're talking about.

995
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:54.680
They had. They're not listening to people that know about it.

996
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:59.560
They're listening to their brother in law. You know. Given

997
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:04.880
Peter Broke who ran Jim Hansen creature shop, can you

998
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.720
think he doesn't know something about making costumes?

999
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:09.880
Absolutely?

1000
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:14.920
He said it could not possibly be a suit or

1001
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.960
as impossible to make a suit like that in nineteen

1002
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:22.760
sixty seven. So yeah, all of these things count.

1003
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.199
Yeah, Tom, I really appreciate your time today. I have

1004
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.279
one more question for you before the end of your time.

1005
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:39.159
I feel like there's a in the community. Like I

1006
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:40.680
hear a lot of things. I talk to a lot

1007
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:44.079
of people, and there seems to be start of a

1008
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:51.039
focus on let's capture a type specimen, but let's try

1009
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:55.560
to pretty much put it on the slab to be blunt.

1010
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.680
And I try to talk people out of that just

1011
01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:00.279
for sef the reason.

1012
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:05.920
Please please do uh, there's no reason for it, none whatsoever.

1013
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:11.359
All people who want who are demanding proof want is

1014
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.119
to satisfy their own This will show the people will

1015
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.159
have been telling me, no, that's not what this is about.

1016
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.439
And the last thing I ever want to do is

1017
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:25.000
to have the government having them proven to the point

1018
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:29.199
that the government tries to take control. Look at our

1019
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:35.079
government's track record with indigenous people and tell me how

1020
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:37.920
you want them to. First of all, they try to

1021
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.319
put them all in one place, and you can imagine

1022
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:48.319
that was sasquatchy. That's just not going to no, no,

1023
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.640
but an even worse picture. Everybody's going to be wanting

1024
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:59.760
everything shut down, no logging whatsoever, nobody in the forest

1025
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.640
because they're endangered. How do you know they're in dangered.

1026
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:09.640
They're not endangered, We're endangered. They control their population very well.

1027
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.640
I could give you examples of that and how they

1028
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.720
do it. But that's not the point. The point is

1029
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.399
there is no need for proof. Now they're coming forward.

1030
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.079
They want want more contact, but they're choosing who they

1031
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:32.520
want contact with, and they don't want contact with your

1032
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:36.199
brother in law. They want contact with people they can

1033
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:41.760
work with. And that's number one. Lose your fear. Fear

1034
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:46.520
is one emotion they cannot work through, So lose your fear.

1035
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:54.640
Number two, clear your heart. Be in respect. Yeah, you've

1036
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.479
got to be a pure heart, and you have to

1037
01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:03.920
be in respect. There is no that replaces respect. Okay,

1038
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.640
if you do those things, then you have a very

1039
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.279
good chance of having one walk up and say you know, hi,

1040
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:16.760
I'm your teacher, Listen to me and we'll go far.

1041
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:26.079
That's that's great advice, and I hope that people listening

1042
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:29.119
to this take that to heart and definitely definitely think

1043
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:33.479
about that before they are going out. But Tom, this

1044
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:37.640
is this has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you

1045
01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:41.000
for sharing everything you've learned over the years. I really

1046
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:43.000
appreciate being able to talk to you today.

1047
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.600
Well, thank you very much. I've had very very profound

1048
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:49.920
questions and it makes it very easy to do so

1049
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.680
and my advice to people just that relax, be yourself,

1050
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.359
lose a fear. There's nothing to be fearful of. If

1051
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:03.079
you think you have was aggressive sasquatch I made you

1052
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:05.279
one years old, call me. I'll come stand in front

1053
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.760
of you. It's that simple. I've been there, done that,

1054
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:16.520
you know, and it okay. And my books and book

1055
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.880
pages down right now. I'm working on it again. But

1056
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.119
please look at my books that I've got to offer

1057
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:27.159
and and my one if you can, that's I live

1058
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.840
in social Security and an assisted living place, and that's

1059
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.800
my that's my extra money. They take all my social

1060
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:38.039
Security money to pay for living here, and so that's

1061
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.399
the money I kind of get around on and do

1062
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.760
things with. So if you can see your way for

1063
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.960
you to do it, buy a book. You'll enjoy it.

1064
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.960
I'll even sand it for you if you buy it

1065
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:55.000
off my page. They're also they're also available in Amazon

1066
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:58.800
to going by them there. But thank you very much

1067
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.680
for this. That's been up slow, Big fun.

1068
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:05.119
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1075
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.960
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1076
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:33.239
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1077
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.720
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1078
01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:40.039
Here's the list. Have you had any encounters in the

1079
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:43.680
areas that Tom called out in this interview, specifically in

1080
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.680
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1081
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:51.199
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1082
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1083
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1084
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1086
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1087
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.920
you there, and again, thanks for listening.

1088
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:03.239
Her and I can get out here, we can tell

1089
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:06.560
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's

1090
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.520
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

1091
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.199
them the courage to come out. And now it feels

1092
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.399
so bad about it, who cares? What anybody's thinks I

1093
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.680
know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's

1094
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:38.920
all I care. Please let people know, Please let them know.

1095
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:41.840
If you ever see one of these things, you need

1096
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.640
to tell because if you don't, then shame on you,

1097
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:54.800
you know, shame on you.