Family Cabin Showdown! |Archives | West Virginia

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the big for Society, and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Will tonight. He's a listener that reached out to me from Virginia and he's had quite a few things happen to him over the years. But how's it going tonight, Will?

0:51 That's going all right? I'm just glad to finally being able to let this off my chest. Absolutely, you were talking to me before the interview and you say you've been listening almost since the very beginning of the podcast. And I appreciate that. That's pretty cool. It's crazy to think it's almost going on five years, but you had sent me an email and you've had some really interesting things happen. I'm excited to hear your story and then maybe ask some questions, but I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over to you will and any context our listeners need to know. Feel free to go ahead and start sharing your story. Okay, sounds good. I am originally from the state of New York, and my mom's side of the family is from West Virginia, where this is pretty much all started from as a little kid, since the show Finding Bigfoot had came out, it really sparked my interest and I knew.

1:46 I was like, hey, Grandma and Grandpa, they have a cabin in West Virginia. It's in the middle of nowhere. I was about twelve years old, bugged my uncle so many times, like take me up to the cabin, Let's go bigfoot hunting, Let's go bigfoot hunting, and he finally said, okay, all right, let's do it. So after watching Finding Bigfoot being a kid, I was like, I want to do everything they do, from call blasting to setting up trail cameras and things of that nature. So nothing really happened our first time when I went out when I was twelve, but we would spend a solid week up at the cabin at a time during the middle summer break. Everything really started kicking off when I was thirteen years old, and I don't know, it's hard to imagine experiencing things at such a young age that everybody in my life had always told me, Oh, that's fake, that's make believe, that's not real. You're crazy to then being like, huh, I saw this, and you all tell me it's fake, but it's flesh and blood, and I saw it with my own two eyes. So the first thing that had happened was me and him got up to the cabin.

2:56 It was just a normal kind of hot day in West Virginia to a bunch of stuff, and my uncle had this big bluetooth speaker and we were going to do call blasting. So we had stayed up pretty late, probably about one or two o'clock in the morning, just blasting calls off the front porch of the cabin. Really didn't hear too much, nothing out of the ordinary. The first night we were there, and the second night we decided, hey, let's go camping. We'll set up a trail camera. We camped around the property that night and that's when things started more peeking and popping off. I don't know if it's because where they how the cabin was set up, that things didn't really want to go around it. And my uncle had these ideas, let's do wooden knocks. That night, which was the second night we were there, he started popping off WOODENKNOCKX on the tree. Everything was pretty quiet to start and he had gotten up and sorry, Teremiah, this is it's just a lot to think back on and finally be able to talk to He had gotten up to you the bathroom and I heard him get up, and it wasn't nothing out of the ordinary for him to get up and hear somebody walk away. He came walking back. I heard him get back in his tent and it was probably good twenty minutes later. Being young in the middle of the woods, it is hard to go back to sleep have to hear somebody get up.

4:18 And I had known that he was laying down, and all of a sudden, it just sounded like something on two feet was just pacing around our where we were camping at, and I tried to wake him up, and I didn't really want to yell or anything, and I was freaking out and I was like, hey, wake up, and I didn't get any response out of him. And eventually, on that night, I just heard whatever it was, it just walked away and I had I finally had fallen back asleep, and I woke up in the morning and I ran up woke my own club. Like did you hear what was going on last night? Did you hear that? And he's just like no. I was like, dude, something's completely walking around our camp. He's like, okay, take me to where you think you heard it walking around.

5:00 And we got up that morning and we walked around and we actually had found a pretty deep indent footprint. And I still wish that I spoke with this uncle who he's taking up there, but we really don't talk much anymore. All these other things that I'm going to talk ramble on about. He had all these pictures on his phone of the stuff that we had found and seen and stuff, but he had a picture of the footprint. And the only kind of crappy part was there was only one that we could really find. And then during the day we had went back to the cabin and we were talking about it and we were both excited. But at the same time he wore size thirteen boot and it was bigger than his boot, and I looked at him. Monk is not the type of guy to get nervous, but he was just like he was always on the spectrum of I don't know if this thing's real, though this thing is probably real. That night we had gotten back to the cabin. Nothing really took too much place during that time during that trip other than I just heard something just pacing around us and we kicked it back at the cabin. For the rest of the couple days we stayed up there, and it was a lot of things letting let up to me not going back to the cabin, which I haven't been back to that cabin since I was sixteen, and I refused to go back. But anyway, so the next summer that we went up there, this is when things started to get a lot more up at eat with activity, and it was just it was a lot more rampant. I don't know,

6:34 if I just I don't know, it was just got a lot different. During that summer when I was fourteen, we always went up to the cabin at the same time, and during this time things just got more intense. So we got up there. The first night it was pretty quiet, but the second night we started just cooking over and opening fire and we were just hanging out being loud and rowdy. The sun started to go down a little, but we always cooked over the open fire when we were there because we didn't have a grill or anything up at the cabin, and it has the tin roof, so we started hearing just like little tings off the tin roof, and it sounded like something was throwing rocks.

7:15 And he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I was like, huh. I took a rock and I threw it back up there, and then it just started progressively getting louder. It wasn't like repetitive, it was like king. It was like you'd hear like ting, and then it'd be like three or four second pause, and then you hear like another ting, and that's when it was just completely out of the ordinary. We both looked at each other and we're like, that's not natural. What would be up on the side of this mountain, just the throwing things and perfectly hitting this roof. Now I say it's a cabin, but it was just really one of those big double wide trailers, but it was on the nicer end. And I started throwing rocks back after we would hear rocks, and all of a sudden, it was just like this damn on the top of the roof, and you saw this massive rock, almost the size of a basketball, just roll and just smack on the ground in front of us. We both looked at each other and we were like, what is that? And he's just stop throwing rocks up there. Stopped throwing rocks up there.

8:13 This isn't a good idea. So we got the food off the fire and we just went back in the house. And I'm getting chills even talking about this. It was just like what is going on? And so the sun went down and we were getting ready for bed. My uncles, let's not go outside tonight. I was a little bit on the a little bit on the shakier side after that happened, because I just wasn't expecting that to happen. Just literally a rock the size of a basketball smashing off the roof. So it came out. It was about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night. My uncle had went to bed, so it was a one bedroom and then I would sleep in the living room. And how the living room was set up a you'd walk through the door and we had a foton against the wall, and then against the other wall there was another futon. But there was a window where when I laid down, I could look up out the window and there was window in front of me. So that night I was just I finally had fallen asleep, and all of a sudden, I just heard something loud, just pacing, and not even pacing, I don't want to say it was pacing, but just circling.

9:14 It was loud footsteps, and it made my heart start beating through my chest, and I was just like, okay, I was like, maybe I'm hearing things. And I would just try to keep myself calm until I heard it come around the side of the cabin and I could tell this thing was on two feet and I heard step on the bottom of the deck and the step had the steps went up. There was five steps and you'd reached the top of the deck. I heard step, and you heard the wood and I'm just sitting there shaking. I'm like, oh, I'm like, what is this, what's going on? And my dreaming, but no, I was one hundred percent awake, and my heart was pounding through my chest and I could hear just these really deep breathing and it was just almost like a grunting. It was just something like I have never heard of in my life. And I'm sitting there and I'm freaking out, and I hear this thing take another step, and I'm like, let's going to the door. And I heard another step and then I could hear this breathing and this grunt thing still, because it was only like ten to fifteen feet from the edge of the deck to the front of the door, and I had sat up a little bit and I'm like, please don't come through the door, Please don't come through the door. And I don't know if I really should be saying this, but anytime I went up to the cabinet, You're in the middle of nowhere. So my uncle would always give me a little side arm, and he would always carry a sidearm, because God forbid, you don't know if you run into something you're in the middle of nowhere.

10:40 I could go out to pee and there could be a mountain lie outside, just out of context. So I hear this thing at the door and I just hear it sounded like it grabbed the door handle and it just jiggled a little bit. So I laid up and I had this side arm on my chest and I was sitting there. I'm like, please don't come through the door. I don't We're gonna die if this thing comes to the door. I'm hyperventilating. I hear the door jingle and then it stopped, and I just heard like a snack, like it jumped off the other side of the deck and I just heard it pacing off into the woods. And at that time, I had noticed that my uncle had woken up and he came running down the hallway. So I don't know if he had started this thing when he came flying down the hallway, or if it was just curious and just wanted. We only went up there for a week in the summer, in two weeks during hunting season, so I honestly don't know what was going on. And we woke up that next morning and again, but this time we were able to see a footstep and then it was like a five to six foot stride into another footstep and then off the other side of the deck. We were able to get three footsteps to where it jumped off the other side of the deck.

11:52 You could see where it hit the ground with one foot, another foot, and then straight into the woods. And I just that really still eats at me to this day. I still sometimes if it clicks in my mind at night, I still trouble trying to sleep. And then this is heart some of us is heard to talk about. And then the following night, me and my uncle decided to stay up. We decided to stay up till one or two o'clock in the morning, I can't remember. And we sat on that deck and he had his ar fifteen, and we just waited because it freaked him out just as bad as it freaked me out, I think. And then that trip up to the cabin we cut short. We only wanted up staying for three days. And my uncle doesn't he wouldn't even talk about a lot of this stuff to this day. I don't know if it freaked him out that bad, but it took me a lot of convincing and we went up there one more time, and this was the last time that we ever went up there. Me, I don't know if he's ever been back up there. I know my grandparents are trying to sell the property, and they've been trying to sell it for years now.

12:53 So the third. Time, which was the last time we went up there, which was the following year, it just like everything. I don't know if we pissed this thing off bike going up there. I don't know if they're migrate through this area at this time of year, but this time everything just went absolutely like bonkers off the wall. So there's a long driveway to get up to where the cabin is, and in the middle of the road, and I wish I still, like I said, I had these pictures, I might be able to get him and email him to you. There was a tree branch broken off, snapped off, a perfectly healthy tree, and this branch was really wide and it was placed right in the middle of the driveway to go up to the cabin.

13:38 And my uncle. Looked at me when we saw that, and I was just like, we're already here. It's an hour and twenty minute driving the house. We both enjoy going up here. Other than the stuff that happens we used to have good time going up there. I said, let's just try to stay a couple of days of things. If we get freaked out, we'll just go home. And he's all right, that's a good idea. So we moved this tree ranch out of the road just instantly when we got up to the cab, and I just got this feeling that something or something is just there and I can't express this feeling, and I didn't want to say anything to him, and we got everything packed in the house and we decided to all right, we'll stay the night. So the first night we just did our normal thing. We went outside, we cooked dinner, nothing happened and nothing hit in the house or anything crazy. And so the first night we kept everything pretty calm. The second night, same thing. We just went hiking and we hung out around the cab and we made a bunch of noise, cooked food, hung out, nothing too crazy. And then the third night, we were sitting outside on the deck and it was probably eleven twelve o'clock at night, and I just got this boneheaded idea.

14:51 I'm like, we came up here to go bigfoot hunting, and we both enjoyed being up here. I said, I'm just gonna do a whoop, so I just want to see if anything's around. So I whooped and then I looped again, and then I waited another thirty seconds and I whooped and we both sat down, and I was like, you really think that's gonna work. Big for society will be right back after these messages, and I. Said, let's just see because we were I'm just I'm addicted to being a big foot nut. And about twenty minutes later, we heard a would knock and it was off in the distance. It wasn't nothing like super close.

15:43 And I looked at Hidney looked at me, and I was just like okay. So I whooped again. And then ten seconds later you heard a whoop, but it was off to our right and the wood knock it came from the left, and he looked at me, and I was just like, okay, whatever. So I whooped again. But I whooped three times again this time, and then this thing imitated because I paused three to four seconds in between my whoops. It whooped the end, but it whooped the same whoop I did, and then I was just like okay. And then this time I decided I watched a lot of funding bigfoot. Like I said, but you know how Bobo does this bigfoot call. I'm like, I'm gonna do bigfoot call. I just want to see. So I let out and it probably it probably sounded funny, but I let out what I could to be the best bigfoot call I could. And then I don't know if I tick this thing off by trying to imitate it, and it didn't sound right. But in thirty seconds, this screamed to Howell, still just sit here, and it haunts me.

16:47 I'm so scared because I'm an avid hunter to be out in the middle of the woods and hear this noise again. It almost sounded like the Ohio Howell. I've heard it a couple times on your show, and I've done research to try to figure out what it sounded like. But it was just like it freaked me out. It was just like, nothing in the woods should make that kind of a noise. And I'd been hunting in West Virginia and Virginia pretty much since I was eight years old with my uncle and my grandpa and my dad, and it's just nothing in the woods that lives here should make a noise like that. And I was just like, holy crap. And then the rest of that night we would hear whoops and stuff back and forth. And I don't, like, I said, I don't know if we just pissed everything off in the woods that night, but it was crazy.

17:35 He used to have it was crappy audio because it was two thousand and fifteen on his phone, but we used to have audio to where you could almost hear these like you could hear it faintly, and it was just absolutely insane. And I wish I could I had a way to imitate these noises, but it's just not natural. It was just it still freaks me out to even think about something in the woods that can make noises like this. And so we had went back in the cabin that night, and we woke up pretty early in the morning because we were deciding if we wanted to stay. Just sounded like we pissed everything off, and we were up for a good twenty thirty minutes, and we started packing everything up and we were just sitting down for a minute, and all of a sudden, it was just like something ran up to the side of the house the cabin and slapped it and like it vibrated and we both looked at each other, and he jumped up with the gun and he ran around the house that there was nothing there, but he had a picture where you could see this. It was like almost like an oily handprint hammed on the side of this house. And I'm getting chills even talking about this, and it was just absolutely insane. And then at that moment we heat when he came back in the house, said we gotta go.

18:55 He's going. He took a picture of that handprint. But ever since those things happened up at the cabin, I haven't been back, and I refuse to go back. And my biggest goal was I wanted to find Bigfoot, but I want to leave it alone. I wanted to if he's up in that cabin in West Virginia, I just want him to live happy. I don't want to piss him off. And quite frankly, I don't know if I even want to truly experience all of that again, because it still messes with me sometimes to this day. And when we were leaving the cabin that morning, my uncle swears up and down, and I believe him because he's never lied to me in my entire life, that he saw something seven to eight feet tall in black, just tucked back in the side of the woods, just peeking around a tree. Now I didn't see it, but it was just the events that happened up there is just still freaking me out.

19:54 Had a few questions. It's really interesting and thank you for sharing what you went through during those summers. I was interested what particular calls you were call blasting. There was a finding Bigfoot app that used to be on the app store, or it would have the Ohio Howell, it would have Bobo's Call. It would have had a whole bunch of different things where you could hook your phone up to the speaker and just blast off of that. Oh really, I had no idea. That's awesome because this guy's cabin, you're nearest neighbors four or five miles away. It was literally in the middle of nowhere, okay, and you had no phone service and you had to it was only landline only.

20:34 That kind of leads into my next question, which is, can you share anything about what area of West Virginia this cabin trailer is in. So if people know West Virginia, it's in between warden It's pretty close to Wardensville, West Virginia. It's just on the outskirtst where you almost go down Corridor each in the Moorfield, West Virginia. But it's tucked way back. You can only up there at the four wheel drive vehicles. I don't know what made my grandparents buy this cabin. They bought it thinking maybe like a family summer house, but you can't get up there with the car. It's in Hardy County. They'll probably be a listener that will know about Wardensville.

21:17 It looks like it's a very small town, about two hundred and sixty five people. You go out of the town to Wardensville a little bit and then you hook a right, I mean you just dry forever. Your grandparents own the cabin trailer. Correct. Yeah. Did you ever talk to them or ask them about bigfoot activity on the property? No, but my I probably it probably wouldn't be a bad idea. So my grandma, she's from a small town in Lady, West Virginia, and she always told me because my great grandpa always told her that you don't want to mess with things that come out in the night in the mountains because they're very hardcore. She grew up in the middle of nowhere. And my grandfather was a coal miner. My great grandfather was a coal miner and lived in a town of seventy five people. And he would always want all the grandkids, the great grandkids and the grandkids, and at night he did not like us out at night on his property. And my grandma was the same way. I don't I could ask her if you want me too, and I could always email you what she says.

22:19 Oh, will you know their stories? Will you got to ask for me? That would be amazing. Yeah, I'm sure they ran into stuff on that property. Yeah, because my grandparents have run up there. Like I said, we all stopped going up there. I refuse. I will not go back up there. You could give me a hank, and I won't go back up there. So nobody goes up anymore. No. I don't know if my grandfather's been up there recently, but I refuse to. Okay, Yeah, you got to reach out talk to your grandparents. I always get to talk to them if you can. But yeah, to talk to them and ask if there if there's anything weird that ever happened at the property, and it might be a thing where you might have to word it a certain way too, although they'll know what you're talking about. They would have to know if you say bigfoot or things like that. But yeah, they might come back with it. We had some big monkey type things running around.

23:14 Honestly, wouldn't be surprised. Man, that's wild. You say, you say you haven't talked to your uncle lately. Yeah, we didn't even have them. Probably talked, okay, but he may potentially have audio and photos from one of the summers or times up there. Yeah, okay, I'll reach out to him. There's just no guarantee heat. Oh yeah, no, probably if you don't mind reaching out, that would be amazing. There's going to be at least one person that's gonna be thinking this because you mentioned you're going to try to sell the property. Yeah, properties for sales on sixty seven acres. Oh, that's why, right.

24:00 I don't remember the name of the national force that runs through there. I know there's one big force that should run through I'll get the address for you too, for my grandparents, and you can Google map that. It is literally in the middle of nowhere. It feels like there's it feels like there's more history to that area too. I think when you start digging a little bit, you will probably you'll probably find something else. I think that's wild. You mentioned that your uncle had a AR fifteen. Yeah, we both always carried a two AR fifteens and two pistols. Weren't went up there. Okay, so you were ready to go. Yeah. I always had this anticipation like I see this thing, I'm gonna shoot this thing. But you know what, I'm good after the next thing that we talk about, I'm good.

24:48 You know what. I don't know what kind of caliper bullet would stop something like this. It's just it's crazy. Any weird smells at any time when you were up been that cabin area. Oh yeah, you would always get like, I mean, I know what a bear smells like, and it was just like it smelled like a dead carcass mixed with a wet bear. It was just this. Funky, weird, nasty smell. And it happened all the time. Right, Okay, gotcha. Any sounds that were at a place that didn't scream like Bigfoot, but you heard it and you were like, that's really weird. That doesn't really belong out you.

25:34 I've heard whistles before and almost like a tongue clacking noise almost. It's it's hard to like a popping noise. Almost any sounds that would make you think, are there other people here? No, I do for a fact, if something happened and you were in the woods, you were, it'd be a very hairy situation, like you could potentially not make it out of there. I know for a fact there was nobody up there. How close would you say the closest neighbor is to this area. It's a long way away, probably a good ten minute drive down the road, fifteen minute drive to the cabin. I'm not really sure how you kept going back after some of this stuff.

26:15 Man, it's just like I want to see it kind of curiosity. And then after that last thing, I was just like, nope, I'm good. Oh the oily handprint on the side of the trailer. Was it a certain color at all? It was got I don't know how to like, almost like a carmel color, like a caramel, like I really light caramel color. Almost. Also, it could have been because the side of the house was dirty or something. I only saw it off the picture because like my uncle really just wanted to go like he was done, and my uncle's a big dude. He's six foot one, he's got big hands, and this thing made his hand look small. It shook the side of it, and he was just like, nope, we're done. What kind of food were you cooking out on the campfire?

26:57 Just bring like for like a hamburger, meat and hot dogs and sausage patties and bacon. Okay, anything. So I'm just gonna say some really weird sounds just for fun. Nothing that sounded like a baby crying no okay, And random metallic door opening anything like that. No, okay, cool, good. But yeah, sometimes you almost hear I don't want to say it like this, but it was like somebody trying who doesn't speak fluent English. It almost sounded like they were trying to say my name or my uncle's name. We've heard that a time or two and it just didn't really make sense. You're just jogging things back in my memory, asking questions, and it was just weird.

27:47 That's really unsettling because it's almost like something could be hearing your uncles say your name or you say your uncle's name, and then it's trying to mimic it. Yeah, dude, that's wild because I know that in West Virginia there's a lot of stories of things mimicking trying to lure you out in the woods. West Virginia is a high place. When you would hear those what sounded like your name, Would you hear other sounds at the same time or in close proximity to that, I don't know. It very well could have been, but I don't know if I was just so ficiated on hearing my name being called. Yeah, but I really just focused on that.

28:28 So that happened in the morning when I would get up to go outside the pee, and then I knew my uncle was sleeping, and then like off this. I could look straight into the woods and it sounded like it was coming from right in front of me. Almost wow. So you heard it in the morning. Were there any other times a day that you would hear that as well? No, it was only if I went outside in the morning by myself and my uncle heard the exact same thing. Whoever woke up first would go outside and hear something like that. That's really freaky, dude, That's probably one of the weirdest things I've heard on the show, to be honest, not a huge fan of that. One, but it was creepy. Did that happen many times over the years, or was it only during a certain travel time that you went up there that happened.

29:16 We would go up there for hunting season in November and nothing. It was only when we went towards the end of June. But we didn't stay it overnight. We would just wake up and go in the morning and then come back in the afternoon. But I don't know if it's because we were there such a short time, but I did notice too a lot like the deer population just completely dwindled down, because if they've had that cabin. We've been going up there since I was like eight, and we see it twenty thirty deer, and like towards the last couple of times we went hunt you wouldn't see anything which was not like that at all. Okay, I was just going to ask that how the animals were around that area. Sounds like there used to be a good amount any water sources.

29:56 Yeah, there was a creek that ran through the property, and I know when you first turned on the road and you would start driving down, there was somebody's house and he dug huge like lake out and he stopped it full of fish. Big for society. Will be right back after these messages. But that was probably two three miles from the cabin. But that's still water and fish. I'd love to talk to that guy to see what happened when he started digging up his property.

30:40 That there was a cave. Once you want up the mountain, down the backside, there was a cave that used to that was sitting back there. But I never went up there. My uncle always told me there was a cave on the backside of the property. Okay, man, there's oh yeah, I'm getting I'm getting the vibes about that area for sure. Will. That's crazy stuff you're saying. You experienced some things in Virginia as well. It was this one time. So my fiance's family, they live close to the George Washington National Forest, and they live in the middle, literally in the middle of nowhere. So I was leaving their house one night and it was dark, it was probably eight or nine o'clock and going down this road. It's called Orndoff's Trout Farm. Anybody in this area would probably know it, and it's this guy.

31:31 He stocks this huge pond full of trout. Family, you go fishing and whatnot. And I just start driving past the trout farm and I come around the road and my headlights hit two eyes standing in the middle of this field, and I was just like what And it was like nine feet off the ground. So I hit it with my high beams, and honestly, I wish I didn't hit it with my high beams because I literally saw eyes, a whole face, body definition hair. I could draw this thing to a tee and it just I couldn't even pull my phone out to take a picture because I was just something in my brains that you need to leave, you need to leave, stop looking go and I just I shut my high feeings off. I looked at this thing probably for a good tens fifteen seconds, and I'd took off. I was People are like, how can you not take a picture of it? And I promise you, if you truly see this thing and watch it breathing, it's scaring. We were eyed. It felt like it was looking into my soul. You don't think, you just don't think. And I could draw it to a tee and I can give you such a vivid description and it was just utterly terrifying, Like maybe if I had my side on on me. I maybe would have gotten out and tried to take my phone out and take a good picture of it, or maybe pull my phone up, but I so freaked out. I just felt like in that situation, I did not want to die.

33:04 It just freaked me out, like this thing could literally rip my car door off, pull me off, and on it snacks me. At that point, you're looking face to face at the creature fifteen seconds. Did it then walk away or you kept driving or how did that end? I peeled off, like I completely stopped in the road and I was looking at this thing and it made a move like it gesture to start, like I don't know if it was gonna start walking towards me or walking towards the woods. But I just slammed my foot on the gas and I took off, like it just freaked me out. And it was only like twenty maybe thirty yards away from the car, maybe thirty yards, and it just I always said, don't huh. I want to get the best picture, the best proof, and not until you're in a situation like that, everything just changes in your brain.

33:53 Was this something you were able to bring up to your fiance and your fiance's family. No, her dad thinks I'm absolutely crazy that Bigfoot doesn't exist, and she is a huge Bigfoot believer, but she just can't hear about it me seeing it versus we watched Expedition Bigfoot on TV together. I just don't know if she doesn't want to believe it's as close to home as she wants to think it is, or I don't know. Oh, so you start talking to her about how I actually saw one and she's I don't even want to. Yeah, I believe you. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be scared to drive a night for my parents. And I also got it. You said this was near Born Darf's Rainbow Trout.

34:36 Farm, Yeah, Trout Farm. Did you ever go and talk to them about it at all? No? I probably shouldn't, And I just I'm just so scared people are going to look at me and be like, what is wrong with you? I think I'm like crazy, got I can It's just crazy, this thing. It's embedded in my brain. I've had nightmares about this thing just chasing me down. Do you mind if I ask if you questions about Okay, were you able to see a color of if there's any hair on it at all. Dark brown to black. It being at night, it was just very I would say very dark brown.

35:17 Gotcha short or long hair? It was like if you hold your arms out, the hair came down like three or four inches, but around like parts of its face, it had no hair on it. Okay, what parts of the face did it not have hair around? So it looked like somebody who had really long hair in the face, but I could see its eyebrows and its forehead didn't have any hair around the top of its forehead, and then just a little bit below its eyes, like its cheap bone. But the biggest thing that stuck out is how wide this thing's mouth was, Like it looks like it could eat an entire watermelon in one bite.

35:57 It's almost like the joker smile. That's very interesting. Did it have its mouth open at all or could you see the teeth? I don't want to say it like this, they almost got the demonic smile to its face where I could just see a little bit of teeth, but it was like almost like it was smiling, and it was just it was just so creepy. It's so hard to explain it. It was just like it's the way it looked at me with its eyes, and once I hit it with the high beams, then its mouth opened up a little bit and I was just like what I was just so blown away. It's crazy. What did it seem to be conveying with its eyes when I was looking at you? It almost felt like it wanted me to get out.

36:38 Of the car. Do you know why it would have or did you get any feeling as to why. I don't know. It was just like part of me. This thing was like looking at me in a way, come out of the car and then nobody's ever going to see you again. It was just, yeah, it was just wild. Can you describe the nose shape? It looked like its nose was pushed in a little bit, but it was like it had like a wider nostril base, and it was almost like it was like a flat It looked like almost like a person's nose, but pushed back a little bit and almost flatter to its face with wider nostrils. You're looking at the nose and then you have the lips underneath with is there a lot of space between the lips and the nose or it.

37:22 Had a lot maybe it was like more of a rounded, coming down face and everything was just a little bit more space to part than looking at a human's face. Sure, Oh, were you able to see ears at all on the head? No? Okay? Was the hair covering them up? Or yeah? I would think so? Okay. Were you able to see like a certain shape to the head at all? It was almost it almost looked like it came up, not almost like a pin on the top of its head, but like its head came up and it was just like a little bit like pointy at the top. I don't want to I don't know how to explain it. Were you able to tell any thing else about the creature muscular or pinition wise? Underneath the hair?

38:06 It looked like I don't know if you know who Eddie Hall is, the bodybuilder. It looked it was huge. This thing was massive. The weird part was is so I looked at the whole body, and its knees look like they sit farther down than our knees. It was just it had very long It was. This thing was insane. It was huge. It was like looking at a nine foot tall, high foot wide bodybuilder it was huge. Were you able to see the hands or arms at all? Did you notice anything about them? The hands, So when you looked at the hands, it looked like the center of its hand had hair, but towards the end of the fingers it had no hair, but it had these insanely long fingers like its hands.

38:57 Everything was just like it's just it was just crazy. Everything was so much more more like proportionate. Gotcha, how would you describe the arms? The arms were long, but they weren't like I know, I hear a lot of people say like its hands were down to its knees. They were close, but it wasn't like like crazy long arms. But the arms were very long and very it was just like very tone like jack looking arms like they were massive. Would you say anything that made you think you're looking at like a male or a female, or an adult or a juvenile or anything like that. Honestly, I want to say I was looking at a male just by the pure just size and like how I felt aggression coming off.

39:44 Of this linge. Were able to see the feet, no, it. Was almost it was pretty much from like the knees up. Okay, you said you had peeled out at any time. Did you get to see the creature walking around or moving around. No, I just saw it make that gesture right. I didn't know if it was coming forward or going to its right, and I was just I didn't want to be there anymore. Yeah, I don't blame you. If you had to categorize what it looked like, say it looked more like a human or an ape, or if you could put it into any category like that. Could you put it into a certain category. It'd say it looked like sixty eight to seventy percent, eight and thirty percent. Even its hands looked like hours.

40:29 Its face structure is like hours. But everything is just other than its lips being its mouth being so wide, and its eyes were a lot bigger. I will never be able to forget its eyes. It was just like it's almost like you take two eggs and put it on a face. And the color of the eyes, it was like a reddish greenish tint to the eyes, which I could have red eyes. And then my high beams reflecting off its eyes made it looked like that, but it had tints of bread in its eyes. You said it reminded you of an ape in some ways. Any particular ape or just the broad category of ape.

41:12 I can't remember what it was called, but doctor Jeff Malgrum talks about them all the time, The great, the giant ape, it was all. It reminds me a lot of that. But it just looking at it and it didn't talk to me in my brain though it had some higher form of intelligence by just looking at it and gauging what's each other's next motion going to be. I felt like it planned out how I planned out. If this happens, I'm going to do this, but if this happens, I'm going to do that. Almost like it was playing a weird game of chess with you. As this sounds like, Yeah, it was like it was trying to plot my move while I was trying to plot its move, which is just terrifying because nothing in the woods should be like that smart in my opinion.

41:54 Right, did you drive back to the same area ever to take a look at it? Yes, I actually have gotten my buddy who I used to work with involved, and he was about six ' four and he's a bigfoot guy, and I had him go stand in that exact same spot and I flipped, I turned the car around and drove down the road and he was just nothing size wise compared to this thing. It took me a good two weeks to go back to her parents' house because I just was like, I don't want to see this thing again. What happens if it's standing in the middle of the road when I leave this time? Not a thing that you want to have around your fiance's place. No, and I go. Her dad has one hundred acres and the property at George Washington National Force is maybe half a mile from where I saw this, maybe because her parents property bucks up to the National Force.

42:46 It is not surprising. I know it's a very large forest, raight. Yeah. I've talked to a few people about things save encountered in somewhere around that forest. They had to be a little vague, but I'm not surprised at all that you had that sighting. Your fiance's father is not into bigfoot at all. Have you ever asked him if he's experienced anything out of the ordinary while hunting, though. See, that's what I was gonna say. I think he has. He's too scared to talk about it. Because this man literally grew up in the hill in the mountains of Pennsylvania and hunted his entire life, and all of a sudden he doesn't like hunting by himself. He will not go back on, but he will not hunt by himself.

43:36 I won't hunt by myself. But he won't say why he doesn't go hunting by himself anymore. No, he won't. It's just he just doesn't. He refuses to. It seems something there, dude, so. He won't talk about it. He's too much of a macho type of a guy to talk about it. Hopefully someday, maybe give him a few years. Who knows. Will You have experienced some really interesting things, and I don't think that your story is over, even though you might want it to be over. Regarding it, sounds like you're not really wanting to have any more bigfoot encounters. I don't know is that true? Or I would love to experience it again, but in a different type of a situation. I wouldn't mind seeing a bigfoot again in person. It would just I don't want to be in my car driving at night. If I want to see this thing, I want to see this thing with a gun. Because if you can plot out my next move to where I'm going to try to turn and run away, and you're gonna chase me.

44:42 I at least want to have a fighting chance. But I don't even know if a two, two, three or five five six bullets it might just laugh. I don't know how powerful this thing is, and I just want to have a fighting chance. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Gotcha? So that's for protection more than trying to get a specimen. It sounds yeah, I don't After seeing this thing's face, I don't think I could pull the trigger. But if it's so little side note, I used to be a deputy sheriff, so in my brain I'm wired. If it's me or you, it's me going home. So I'd like to see this thing peacefully. But if it's gonna attack me, I'm at least gonna try to make it home.

45:42 That's a big side note. Yeah, sorry, earlier, I guess. I should have asked the deputy's sheriff. Part was that when did that take place? So I was a deputy sheriff from twenty one to twenty twenty two. Okay, so that was taking place during some of your big interactions, you know. Which I actually talked to a lot of the guys I worked with, and I have some if you ever want to do part two, I have some other crazy stories I could tell you from those guys, oh really big with the skin Walker to UFOs. I've talked to them all and they're all pretty open about it. This is like West Virginia, suff. This is in the Rockingham County, Virginia.

46:25 Oh yeah, we're definitely setting that up. I hear for another hour. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, let's see what we will. Definitely set that up because that sounds like it could be very interesting for sure. And actually that goes for all listeners. If you used to be law enforcement and you have info about stuff that your department used to deal with that sounds like that, contact me big for Society gmail dot com. But will this has been a very interesting chat and I'll be interested to see if you come up with any more information after you contact your grandparents and that about the cabin area. But any closing thoughts before we head out for the night, or.

47:15 If anybody wants to reach out to me, they can find me on Facebook. My name is William Franzosa fr A and ZSA and I'd be more than welcome to hearing your stories, to helping you out, or if you just want to talk about it and don't want to share it on the air like this because I know it's a lot and just need to get it off your chest. I'm available to talk. That's great. And the cool thing about Will is that he has that he's had those that face to face interaction. He will definitely be able to relate in different ways for sure, as I have yet to have that. Well, it's good to talk to you, and it' spent a little bit of time coming for us to chat, but I'm glad we were finally able to chat. Thank you so much for cominging on tonight. Definitely, thank you all right big for society. I've got the privilege of talking to Don. He reached out to me from Eastern Tennessee about some interesting things he experienced a few years back.

48:14 Don. How's it going today? It sounds good, Jeremiah, And everything's going great, man. Today's it's been until day. I've been relaxing and getting things done around the house. That's great. I remember when you reached out to me, and it's a very interesting story. All right, man, Do I have the floor? Yes? Sir, all right, sounds good man, Okay, like Jeremiah was saying, my name is Don. I've been living in East Tennessee for the past two going on three years now, and I'm not the last year of twenty three. This was twenty twenty two. In November, I decided to rent a cabin and go spending some time with my fiance for her birthday in the mountains. And exactly where we were is about two and a half, no, about two hours north of us, and we were in the Gatlinburg, Severville and Pidgeon Ford.

49:00 And for anyone who is familiar with this area, it's three different cities, but they're literally ten minutes apart from each other. So that's where everything started and that where we had our first experience. So just to get started, man, the day of that we had the cabin, we decided to go ahead and head down and get there while it was still daylight because like I said, this was in November. Actually it was November. It was the first. Okay, it was November the first, but it was in celebration of her birthday for the seventh and I'm pretty sure the seventh was like just it wasn't a weekend where we were going to have time anyway. So we head up to the cabins and everything, and it was just me and my fiancee who went out first, her brother and his girlfriend.

49:45 They came out a little bit later. So what ended up happening is we got there at a pretty decent time. It was still daylight, and after we got comfortable with the cab and we wanted to go and grab a bite to eat. So we drove about twelve minutes up the road to gatlin Right Gatlinburg, yep. So we went to Gatlinburg, sat down at a nice Mexican restaurant. About nine o'clock, we headed back to the cabin. It was dark, not pitch black, but it was pretty dark. Like I said, we were up in the cabin area. We're just in there hanging out or whatever, just trying to stay up, and we're just checking out things and seeing how things are going. So we decided to go to the back. On the back deck, there was a deck overlooking a valley.

50:28 And you could see for miles man a long ways. We went out, decided to go and get in the hot tub, just killing and things like that. We did have wine, but this is when things got weird. Okay, So we're sitting out in the hot tub, had to be about ten. Minutes at the most. We're just out there hanging out and joining the time being spent together. And next thing, man, just out of the blue, my fiance she just lost control of herself. And what I mean by that, for a lack of better term, she almost fainted is I just went right away and I grabbed her and I'm like, what's wrong, and she's like, I'm lightheaded. I need to lay down. So I helped her out of the hot I go take her to the rooms.

51:09 I'm just gonna lay down now. Like I said, we had wine, but we had never even drunk it. It was still actually defrosting on this little table area which is on the back deck and there's two rocking chairs back there. Also, I get her in the house and everything and all the way up until this. Point meant nothing happening. Like I said, she got her in the house, in the cabin, she laid down or whatever. So I said, hey, babe, I'm gonna go and get this wine and put it back in the freezer for later. She's okay, now, Jeremiah, I didn't mention this part, but earlier when we got to the cabin. When we first got there, we did see a black bear. And now, looking off the deck, if you look to the right, there's the hot on the deck. Actually, if you look off over the deck to the right, there's a cabin there.

51:53 But the cabin was unfinished. You could tell that it was being renovated or it was probably new getting finished. Now, if you look to the left, we had one neighbor who was right there and we never really even saw them. But back to the initial part. When I walked to the back door, there's a double door like the I don't know what they call it, but it's the big door, the wooden door with the big glass, like the five foot glass or whatever, and it's a double door. So I walked to the door and I opened the back door. When I opened the door, I stepped one foot on the balcony, and man, I heard the largest when I say largest of the largest footsteps.

52:33 I've ever heard in my life. And what was crazy is logically, because I'm a logical thinker first, and like I told you earlier, I've always known about sasquatch and things like that. But that was the furthest thing from my mind. Like I said, I stepped one foot out and I hear some big footsteps. And what happened is whatever it was to this day, I don't like to just say bigfoot, but man, trust me, I know exactly what it was. Those footsteps ran from under this deck. Now this deck is about twelve to fifteen feet off of the ground, but since it's on a I guess a elevated area, the right side of the cabin is like ground level to the deck, but the left side of the cabin is, like I said, that distance of about twelve to fifteen feet. So I paused in my foot I paused in my tracks when I heard those footsteps. Now, keep in mind, we saw a bear earlier that day and we saw it come up the valley and go over there to that abandoned cabin area, and it was just fundling around, man, maybe for about fifteen minutes. We just literally just saw it. We never heard that bear taking its steps, So that had already went out of my mind. And what was more even crazier about the situation.

53:45 Whatever it was it took, it ran from under that deck and it stopped in some tall weeds if I'm looking off the back of the deck down into that valley were if it was a regular person, you couldn't walk no more than twenty feet without literally sliding down that valley. And for a person to actually get up that valley. You would definitely need climbing gear, cleaps in the something that will support your weight, because man, it's just folly. It just leaves and trees. And later on, man, I would definitely see you the pictures and the views and things like that. And another thing I didn't tell you is we actually caught. Something on camera and Jeremiah, when you see these pictures, man, you're gonna be freaked out. And what I did was I did a lot of comparison of that picture that I did capture to a lot of not tired standing.

54:32 Man. It's the other guy. He just recently passed. I can't think of his name right now, but he's also from East Tennessee. But anyway, so what was the craziest part about this is whatever that was ran from under there and it stopped cold dead in his tracks. So I'm frozen, man, because the footsteps, it just freaked me out. So I closed the door. I didn't even grab the wine. I closed the door. I was like, hey, I need you to come hear this. Something just ran from under the deck. So she's what do you mean, said Bay, I saw, I just heard some loud footsteps. Something just ran from under this deck. And so after that or whatever, like I said, whatever it was, it stopped. So I get her. I gathered her. She felt she was feeling better at the time, so I said, just come sit out here. Now.

55:14 We had this led disco ball light and we had it plugged up. And it's actually a Bluetooth speaker and these lights. Man, I'm pretty sure you could see these lights for a good distance. I'm pretty sure this was the root cause of all of this encounter of what happened. So back to the part. So I gathered her. I said, look, we're gonna go out here and sit down. I want you to be real quiet and just tell me what you hear. Unknowingly to me, whatever it was had got back under the deck from the time I went in the house to get her, cause, like I said, I never stepped fully on the deck. I only put one foot out there, and it ran from under there. So, like I said, on to the next part, We're sitting out there and we're just hearing like footsteps. We're just hearing footsteps. And after that part, just a distance away, because like I said, you can see a different mountain piece and everything.

56:06 Further in the distance, you can hear something. It sounded like someone yelling, but it didn't sound normal, if that makes sense. She's sitting out there on my lap, she said. We're both sitting in one of the rocking chairs. We sat. We actually sat in a rocking chair close to the door. At this point, I unplugged the lights because I was freaked out. I unplugged the lights, not even thinking that the lights was the calls. At this point, I just unplugged the lights and went back there and sat down. So we turned off the porch light also. So she's sitting there and she steady hearing something under us moving and she was like, Bay, I'm scared. I'm about to go in the house. So she was like, I gotta go use the restroom. So she went in the house and she used the restroom. So I call her brother and around this time, man, this is like around ten thirty eleven o'clock, so I call them.

56:50 I'm like, hey, Jay, where you guys. They're like, man, we're in Knoxville now, We're probably like another hour and a half away. I was like, man, listen, I don't know what this is, bro, but I just heard something big run from under this deck. So him and his girlfriend, I had just moved here, so she her, excuse us, you're. Not from here. It's probably just bears and you. Just so you're not comfortable with the mountains yet. I was like, okay, I know how a bear sound. We saw a bar earlier. The barrett was at least three hundred pounds somewhere in there. I'm not really good with weights. I'm gonna say three hundred some pounds. We couldn't even hear this bear when it was walking. And we watched this bear for about fifteen minutes. Told him I'm on the call, and I'm like, listen, man, y'all just. Let us know. When y'all close, we can be up and getting around, hung up with them or whatever.

57:34 I go back in the house, my girl. I'm like, babe, you're coming back out, you know. I'm okay. So I was like, you know what, forget it. Let's just try to lay down or whatever and relax until your brother gets here, we go in the house and we fall asleep. I think he. Called us like around what almost two o'clock and he was like, hey, man, I'm headed there. I turned off the main script. I'm coming up the mountains now. I was like, okay, tell me what now. At this point, I got back up, I plugged the lights, the LED light back up, but the back porch area where the deck is, that light stayed off. I never turned that light back on. So those lights are just beaming, the LED lights. He's coming up. The mountain and they're like hey, him and his girlfriend they're like, man, we keep we're seeing these lights, bro.

58:17 And I was like, what kind of lights? He was like, they're colorful. I was like, okay, man, that's the other speaker. That's the Bluetooth speaker. He was like for real. I was like yeah, he said, bro, we got to be close to y'all. But he drove at least another seven minutes, seven and ten minutes to actually get up there, and he was like, man, I saw those lights when we first started actually coming up, and I was like, man, that's weird because I didn't think that you could see it from that far. So him and his girlfriend get there at this time, it's a little after two. The cabin had it was I don't know the name of this game. I guess it's called shuffle board, and then they. Had a lot of little board games. We brought out the wine drink. I'm not a big drinker. I never been. Was a celebration. So we're celebrating. So they come, we're all hanging out or whatever. We're just out there chilling.

58:59 So I said, look, y'all, I want y'all to come on this deck with me and tell me what you guys here. They're like, okay, his girlfriend still, oh man, I told you this bears this, that and the thing. I was like, okay, cool, fine, let's just go sit out here. I said, look, we're all gonna go out here. I want everybody to be quiet. Now. My brother in law, his girlfriend, she smoked cigarettes, so she was standing out there smoking a cigarette and everything, which is all standing out there just chilling. I said, listen, everybody, just get real quiet. Let's try not to talk to each other. But we still were whispering to each other whatever it was. At the time. You could hear something moving slightly through the tall weeds. And grass, so you could hear something like sneaking through, just moving around. And so what ended up happening is I didn't see this, but my brother in law, he said.

59:50 And the reason I didn't see this is because every time I heard a noise from a different area, I was looking in the area just pointing up. Y'all hear that, y'all hear that. All of a sudden, they break. Off and running the house in the cabin and I'm like, why the heck are y'all running that? What are y'all doing? He was like, Man, I saw something rising up right there in those tall grass, he said. I saw like half of a head or something, and it was rising up. He said. I ran, I said, bro, are y'all serious? Or are y'all. Playing big for society? Who would be right back? After these messages?

1:00:37 He's bro, I swear I am not lying. I saw something. He said. He saw the head and like the shoulder area. So I'm like, for you, so, let's say the bottom of the deck is ten feet give a take two or three feet. For him to be able to see something down there, it would have had to at least been egging to half feet tall. You see what I'm saying, because the distance, because we actually walked back there when we initially got there while it was still a daytime, just to see how everything was in my head, even if I reached my arm up, man, I was nowhere near the bottom of the deck. So that right there it freaked me out. We all in the house and we're talking about we're talking about it. At this point, his girlfriend is like that, what was that? Like, I said, I think everyone saw it but me. But the reason I didn't see it is because when we were out there, sitting out there being quiet, we just different areas, like from the right where an abandoned cabin got abandoned, the empty cabin was we were hearing noises over there. We were hearing noises to my left over there where we did have neighbors in their cabin, and also we were hearing noises coming from out of that deep valley. Everybody came down and I said, y'all, let's go back out here.

1:01:48 I was like, let's not make a lot of racket and stuff because there's something out here. So this time, when we all go back out there, my brother in law's girlfriend said, hey, you guys want me to record to see if we can catch any thing. I was like, okay, cool, But what she didn't record? She did an audio recorder, so she went back out there. She was finishing her cigarette that she had put out before they ran. Before we all ran, I walked in because I didn't see what they initially saw, so they ran in. So she fired back up her cigarettes. She set her phone on the top of the deck, and he just turned the speaker towards where we were hearing these sounds. Now, Jeremiah, this right here freaked me out, and it freaked everybody out. To the right, you're hearing, to the left, same thing. Straight ahead, you're hearing all this.

1:02:29 It had to be at least I'm thinking three or more I heard. We all heard a freaking branch, not a stick, possibly a log man. It just cracked. And when I tell you, Jeremiah, everything just see all that noise we was hearing. Everything ceased and it was so crazy because I called to their attention. I said, listen, I'm not the smartest person in the world, and I'm not even just that avid of a person in the woods. But no animal, wolves, bears, coyotes, whatever. If they break something while they're walking like if they step on something, they're not going to stop. And what was crazy whatever that was when it stepped on that. We actually have this on recording. We haven't enhanced it or anything. It's just on recording. That freaking stick just not stick, the log whatever, man branch it cracked so loud like someone something either broke it or stepped on it.

1:03:22 I'm thinking something stepped on it, because when it did that, like I said. All of the other motions around us it stopped. So we're all looking at each other. Did you hear that? Did you that? And we were like yeah, We're like yeah, So at that point I think we then we go back in. At that point, yeah, we everybody, we all went back in the house. They were like, man, this is too freaky for me. This is too creepy. So the night goes on, we forget about it. We're playing shuffle boards, just hanging out, having fun, listening to music, and around this time, man, this is a little bit after three. At that point we decided to go ahead and lay down because you me and my fiance we had already been up waiting on them and took a little nap. So we decided to lay down, so in the room laying down. No, I'm sorry I skipped apart before that. While we were all in there playing the game and everything, like in the living room area, my fiance went to the bathroom. Now there's two rooms in this cabin. On the side that's elevated off the ground, real high. That's the side of the cabin, and my fiance slept on now the other side of the cabin that if you're at their window, you're right their ground level, Like you can walk over there and you can be right there at the window like a regular level house.

1:04:29 I told you that specifically because of this point. So my fiancee was in our bathroom. Now our bathroom if you walk out of our room and go toward the kitchen area, so you're looking at the front deck. That front deck is connected to the bathroom. You see what I'm trying to see? What I'm the picture I'm trying to convey. So she came out, she was like, did you were you guys tapping on the walls? And we were like what. She was like, I just heard something tap on the wall. Was it the wall of the window, the wall? Okay, she said it was the wall so she said something that was tapping. We blew that out. We weren't even thinking about it. Later on in the night, when we decided to lay down in everything, we dozed off. Man, I'm in a dead sleep, Jeremiah, I'm in a dead sleep, man, And I swear to you I heard this freakish tap.

1:05:13 Now I won't I'm trying to paint this picture for you. On the side of our cabin where we were sleeping. The bed is made of pure wood. I don't know what kind of wood, but it's literally was made of pure wood. The cabin is a pure wooden cabin. Now what happened is I heard a freaking tap right above my head. Now the only thing on. That side of the whole cabin is the AC the outside AC unit, and Jeremiah, just for me to paint the picture. The only way a person could get up there and tap where I heard that tap above my head in that bed you would probably need one of those real big ladders. And to be honest, I don't even think that you could do that with that. My point is I heard some can tap. Now do you know how hard something have to tap for me to hear it? Through this wooden cabin in the wooden bit, I felt the taps on the headboard of the dead So the tap was like tap, and I woke up out of my sleep. So I'm like, baby, did you around this time? It's about four in the morning. I'm like, babe, did you hear that? She was like here what I was like, Okay, don't worry about it.

1:06:24 So my logical mind is thinking, this is a new place. I've never been here before. It could be something on the roof, something following on the roof, or whatever. Man, Jeremiah, this exact same cadence again. After I dozed off, it was like three minutes later. When you know how you wake up and you almost back in their sleep. Tap right above my head again. Bro, I lost to Jeremiah. And when I woke up the first time, I forgot to mention this when I woke up. Man, as a child, when you wake up in the middle of the night and it's pitch black and it's just this lingering feeling, it's just you're super scared for some reason. When I first initially woke up, you know, woke up from those that first cadence of taps, Man, I was just I was bro I was pure just scared. I couldn't tell you why. And it's something I've never experienced before.

1:07:17 But the crazy thing about it is, like I said that when the second initial when the secondary taps happened, after that initial tap, I knew it was something freaky going on. Man. I just knew it was because. There's no way someone is out here tapping on someone's cabin and four in the morning. It just don't It didn't make sense, man, So I did. I always carry when I'm traveling, and I was sleeping with an ar pistol, and then I had my glock pistol. There was never any time in my mind I was thinking about discharging the weapon. But my thing is, man, I just when I grabbed it closer to me, like sleeping, it just gave me a sense of comfort, you know what I'm saying, because in my head, I'm trying to gather how can any even if someone stood on that unit, you would still need a ladder to reach right above where my head is in his bed.

1:08:09 Man. After all of that or whatever, man, I just I couldn't sleep. So we got up and. I go over and o my girl's brother and his girlfriend their gamer, so they were up gaming. So I go out and I'm like, hey, man, have y'all been hearing something tap? And his girlfriend was like, when I was in the bathroom earlier. And this was way after my fiancee, She's like, when I was in the bathroom early, I heard something tapping. What we did was we turned off all the lights and we started looking out of their window over there towards the empty cabin, but we couldn't see anything. And I'm like, man, it's just super freaky, man, what happened. But it was just when you experienced something that you never experienced before, you don't know how to grab your mind, grasp your mind around the concept of what's really going on. And then so pretty much after that, man, I think we initially went to sleep, but my fiance's brother, no, his girlfriend, they said that they really didn't go to sleep that night because they just felt uncomfortable in it.

1:09:05 Like I said, she was the one before she got there. Yeah, it's just bears and you're not used to it or whatever. But to this day, man, she'll tell you, I know what was out there, man, And it wasn't no dangone bears. Man. That was pretty much the night man, trying to just jog my memory and make sure there's not anything that I missed. But just in a nutshell, man, that's pretty much what happened at first night, and just the experience and what I felt in general. Man, it was crazy. Oh yeah, Jeremiah, this is something immediate also that I need to tell you. While we were out there on the deck, we had neighbors that were adjacent to. The unfinished cabin. But so I want you to because I'm trying to give you a perspective. So if we're on our deck, if we're looking atmediate, there's the unfinished cabin. But if you look at the two o'clock away from that cabin, there was other people in a cabin, but they were higher in elevation in us.

1:10:01 So what was crazy is the whole time when we were sitting out there on the deck recording those sounds and stuff like that, whatever was messing with us was had to be over. There messing with those people. Because at the time, it was between two and three in the morning while we were out there on the deck, and those people were on their deck with flash lights flashing it down into the valley like they were looking for something, and we're like, what could these people be looking for down in that valley. At two three in the morning. It was so crazy, and that just verified what was happening to us. We just chalked it up to whatever it. Is, it's over there messing with those people, because come on, man, what could they be in looking for at two to three in the morning down in the valley? It was I think it was like two dudes and maybe a woman because you could see them. If we had binoculars, we probably could look in their cabin. But we're looking up in elevation at them on the deck and they're just they have flashlights and phones shining down into the l and we're like, man, it just blew our mind.

1:11:03 Man, it was so crazy. Man, it was so crazy. Jeremiah Ton, that is that's an incredible account for sure. I don't know how you guys didn't just leave the premises. I paid that money, Jeremi. I didn't want to get. I love it. I have a few I'm working through a few questions. If I can ask you some questions about the night go ahead, go ahead, the tapping that you guys heard, so just playing like devil's advocate for a bit. So was it a different than like a noise you would hear, like a woodpecker or can you describe what it sounded like?

1:11:44 Perfect? Perfect, Yeah, no problem. I didn't hear the taps, the taps on the house or it was never the window, it was like taps on the cabin itself. I didn't hear the taps that my fiance's brother in law girlfriend heard, And I also didn't hear the taps that my fiance heard. But she's right here with me, and she could how what did those taps sound like? It was really hard, like just. Just someone like, how many taps? Was it? It was just one one tap. It's just like a tap, Okay, okay, so she said it was just one tap that she heard. Now me, the taps that I heard, it was two of the same cadences. And the thing is if the first tap was tap tap tap tap tap, and then the second tap was like tap tap tap tap or something like that, I still wouldn't know how to explain it. But it was so freaky because Jeremiah, when the taps happened, it was a cadence tap tap tap tap tap, And what I've chalked it up to be was something was trying to get my attention in general, because Jeremiah, the taps were right above my head.

1:12:52 I heard the taps. Through this pure wooden cabin and through this pure wooden headboard. The taps were right above my head, like it knew where I was laying in the bed so it could tap. And like I said, the first taps were. Like hold on, it was like that, could you hear that, Jeremiah, a little bit? Okay, I'm sorry, I gonna bang on the wall. But it was tap tap tap tap tap. It was the first one, like I said, So that initially woke me up, and I asked my feeling and say, hey, did you hear that? She was like here what I'm like, Okay, don't worry about it. Like I said, I'm. Thinking, okay, it could be the heat or whatever. I just blew it off when I those back off. Man three, It couldn't have been three to five minutes later I hear the same exact Haydence, the same exact tap in the same spot that I heard it right above my head. Man, No way, I never heard a woodpecker go tap tap tap tip tap.

1:13:53 I mean, it's it's always that, you know what I'm saying. And I don't know if woodpeckers are even out that's at that Sorry I'm telling Toweist. I don't even know if woodpeckers are out in the area in those times. Like I said, this was the first of November in celebration for her birthday. Which is November the seventh. Man, it's no way possibly it could have been a woodpecker. And if it was a woodpecker, it had to be super intelligent for it to do the same cadence twice. It just had to be. Man. The other thing that that really is interesting is how you mentioned that the neighbors in that area were looking down in the valley with their flashlights.

1:14:36 That's at three in the morning. Wow, Why man at three in the morning, Jeremiah. And like I said, I'm pretty sure the whole reason that we even had this encounter, there's a okay, just a little half a circle disco ball, it's like a little bluetooth and the lights shining all over the cabin and also out of that back window it broadcast. It had to broadc that's pretty high in the air. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people saw those lights, because, like I said, it took them ten minutes, seven to ten minutes after they got off the main strip to come up to where we were. They were telling us that they saw the lights before they even got on the road to actually come up there.

1:15:17 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. So I'm knowing that these lights had to be going, they had to be seen for at least a mile, Jeremiah. And we're up in elevation, and man, when I get. A chance, and maybe after this call, after we're off the call, I'll definitely send you the pictures. We have the video of that bear also, right, I'll send you some just pictures and videos of the whole thing. But what is really crazy, Jeremiah, I can't remember exactly what time it was when.

1:16:01 I walked out there and I shot that little with eight second video. Was that before or after your brother then came? It was before, yeah, so, Jeremiah, at one point of time before they came or whatever. I think this was actually right after we got back from the Mexican restaurant. I go outside and I'm just bs and I'm in the woods. I'm happy. So I just go out there and I'm just I just shoot a quick video of the It's not I wouldn't call it a tree line, but it's just a row of trees. Next, let me see if I'm walking, if I'm on the front deck, it was to the left, so it was on the left, so it was over there, close to what my fiance's brother and his girlfriend's room was. There was a row of trees right there or whatever. But I just shot a quick video.

1:16:42 And I didn't even notice anything in that video when I first shot it. But due to all of the strange things that we encountered later on that night and stuff like that, maybe a week or so later. Something was just telling me to go through the video. So you have an iPhone, Right when you shoot a video on the iPhone, you can go to the video. At the bottom of the video. You have a little script part down there. You can take your finger and scrub it and it'll slowly pin through the video. Man, Jeremiah, these pictures that I'm going to see you, I've only ever sent these pictures to one guy, and the reason being is because this guy he has a real unique name. If I needed to find him. I probably could again, but this was the only guy that I've ever sent these pictures to besides my fiance and her brother and his girlfriend.

1:17:28 But the guy he reached out. I reached out to him, and he finally reached out to me. I sent him the pictures and just asked him what he thought, and he was like, man, you definitely have something here. And I just told him, I don't mind you sharing these pictures with any just give me feedback. He never gave me feedback on anything, and hopefully he's not using my pictures just for anything. It is what it is. I don't care the whole My whole thing was I needed to reach out to someone at that time, man, because like I said, I've been following this whole topic ever since about graduating in twenty thirteen. I was working at a private speech school in twenty fourteen. So from about twenty fourteen all the way up until now.

1:18:09 I was very aware. I followed Jeff mel Drum, Scott Carpenter, that's the guy I was mentioning, who's actually from East Tennessee. Also, I follow all these people, and, like I said, my first perspective when I got into it back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, it was more of the lines of Okay, it's an unknown ape of primate that hasn't been discovered. But after what I've experienced, and even before all of this information, like I said, I drive trucks, man, and I see the vast amount of land that is out here, and just in one or two states, it's mind blowing for the masses not to believe that something could exist that is just as much or more intelligent and not technically advanced, but in the sense of just being out in the wilderness.

1:18:54 It's right here in our faces. Man. You just have to get out here, and you have to get out here and experience things. But Jeremiah, Man, I promise you, I've never experienced anything like this ever in my life. Man. It was amazing and. All, man, But it just pushed me to want to look more into the topic and do more research. But I do follow and read a lot of. Credible people's work and stuff like that, man, And I know for a fact what I experienced, Like I said, I've never seen one personally in real life, only off of that picture that I saw. But in real life myself, I didn't see it. My fiancees brother. He said he saw half of a face and some shoulders, and this was twelve to. Fifteen feet off of the ground.

1:19:34 So I'm just projecting that if the bottom of the deck is ten to twelve feet, then the top part of the deck where we were sitting the phone and things like that, it had to be fourteen to fifteen feet. So for him to be looking straight ahead or downward in the angle and see something rising up shoulders and stuff, I'm like, man, bears don't do that. And if a bear stands up, it's real sloppy. He said, it was rising real slow. He said. The crazy thing about it is, he said, the crazy thing about it is it wasn't even fully erect. It was just like gifting itself full. So it's crazy. Man. It was crazy. Man. I tell you. You mentioned that your brother in law's girlfriend, I believe had some audio recordings that were taking. Yeah, that would be interesting. I don't know if it's possible to hear those at all, but I get those are pretty interesting.

1:20:26 Yeah. I think it was maybe one or two recordings, if I don't want to say the wrong thing, it was one or two. I know for sure it was one but on that one recording when we heard that branch or log or whatever it was whatever, when it stepped on it and everything got quiet on that recording. You know how on audio recording you can see spikes to wear sound it's playing sound. There's a real small spike. You can faintly hear something was yelling. It was one or two. Something was yelling, but it wasn't right there where all where we were hearing all this motion around us. This was like our way, Like you could faintly hear something like and I'm like, who would be out here at two three in the morning yelling like that? It's oh in Jeremiah. The next morning this was crazy, Jeremiah.

1:21:14 We heard someone It sounded like they were having a gunfight. And then also the next morning when we go out, we see huge turkeys just walking up the driveway. And then maybe what time, Okay, the next morning we went outside that bear. This had to be after we saw the bear and it went about his business. So when we left the Mexican restaurant earlier that day around I'm gonna say around nine ten o'clock, whatever I'm gonna say more nine o'clock. Had to be about nine. We had food in the car, but we took it out, so the smell of the food was in the car. We saw prints on the window in the car door, but we just said it had to be the bear that we saw. We just chopped it up to the bear.

1:21:57 But that whole night we hearing something over there. By the car. So the car is parked. The car. Okay, if you're pulling to this cabin, you're coming up like a mountainous road. It's not like the road where you're almost about to run people off the road. But it is a small road only two cars can fit. But my point is when you drive up that driveway to the driveways to the left, when you pull directly beside the cabin to park, there's the ac unit. You look up, there's a big circle window about eighteen feet off the ground. This is above the bed area where we were sleeping in our room. And then over there in that area we just kept hearing something. So let's just say I get out of the car and I'm standing right there on side of the cabin. If I walk straight back, we have the bends right there, the bareproof bends, and you can literally walk under the back deck right when you walk past there. Now, there were two doors, like some utility doors right there by that ac unit, but it was locked from the outside. Right that possibly that thought went through my head. I know nobody's out here under here in this utility area, but you could tell that the lock hadn't been funded with or anything, because I'm pretty sure the oh, I'm skipping around because things are popping up in my head. There was also a door inside of my fiance brother's room.

1:23:15 It was locked, and I don't think nothing was too creepy about that, but it was just a locked door in the room, and I'm guessing that it went to maybe like a hot water heater or something. Like that that they didn't want someone to have access to. That was crazy. But those double doors, it's not anything that I think they had to do with anything. I'm sure of that. But my point is, man, if you were. To walk from under that deck, let's just say you let's just say twelve feet after that twelve maybe fifteen feet, you're going. To slide down that valley. Man. That's how much of a steep decline it was coming from under the back of the deck area. And whatever that was initially when I first heard that when I went I stepped out there. When I stepped one foot out there to grab that wine bottle, Man, something rain and it stopped right in the area, right at that point where you're about to go down. And I'm like, man, this is this doesn't it doesn't make any logical sense.

1:24:14 Who would be out here messing with people in a cabin. It's just crazy, man, John. The next morning, did you happen to before you left, did you happen to look around the outside of the cabin to see maybe if you found any tracks on the ground around where the tapping was happening, or anything to do with the wall on the outside. See, this is the thing. I did check out that wall area, and it made me even more uncomfortable because the area right there, it's basically a driveway, so there's no way any footprints could. Have been seen. And even back when you walk back there under that deck area where we were hearing all of this commotion, it's so much leaf foliage because of the location we're at.

1:24:57 You know what I'm saying, This was like the beginning of fall. This was fall. You got orange leaves, red leaves, brown leaves, green leaves man. There wouldn't have been a way. It wasn't the type of soil or anything where there's like mud or it's just hard packed, just a wooded area with foliage. And that little area away from under the deck area was just like it wasn't bushes, it wasn't thick like that. It was almost like that tall grass, that tall brown, thin grass. It was like just full of that. And like I said, I have pictures I didn't take. I have videos and pictures. I'm gonna go through them and see you everything that's significant pertaining to this. But we the only thing that we did see what we suggested it to be was maybe the.

1:25:41 Smell from that food was still in the car. And the bear, I guess the bear put I'm sure whatever the bear, I think it was a bear. I'm gonna say it was a bear. It put his hand on the window like it was trying to press up against the window. But we saw a muddy print on the window and a muddy print on the car, on the car door, and not like. It was pulling it. It was just like something stood up against the car basically, And they stood out so much because before we went. To the cabins. I had just washed her car, so a muddy frint on the car is just it sticks out like a sore thumb. But I'm gonna just say that was the bear because we did see that bear later again in the night, like when we were out there, but when we were hearing all of these this other commotion that was around us, that bear was nowhere in sight. I can guarantee it was nowhere in sight.

1:26:30 Yeah, I agree with you, don Some of it just sounds like potentially a bear, but some of it definitely I'm saying not a bear from that I'm hearing from your story, man, it just feels like there's a lot more that could man. Yeah, talk to the brother in law, talk to the brother in law's girlfriend. I'd love to hear there what because they saw some stuff that you did. So I'm gonna ask you something. Jeremiah, my brother in law is actually he's actually here. If you want to ask him if it's if they're up for it, Okay. Yeah, he'll definitely be up for it. Now, I haven't talked I haven't I'm going down here. I haven't talked to him about any of this. So I want you in the audience to generally here. I want you guys to generally here, and I watch this. This is authentic.

1:27:21 Just watch this Jay, all right. So you remember when we went to the cabin, right, I got a guy on the phone. He got a podcast. It's called big Foot Society. I reached out to him a while ago. He wants to know what it was you saw when we were on the back of the day. His name is Jeremiah. Jeremiah. This is my brother in law, Jordan. Big Oh, what's up man? It was like a big fuzzy girl like very It was like coming up our forest. It was like standing up. But I went inside before even shoulder his face. Or anything, and then let me see. Okay. I told him about that part, and then he was just okay, what about we were hearing all that movement around.

1:28:01 Yeah, it was like coming from different type of different areas of the woods. And then one was stuck step out from the bigger lags and it snaps. Yeah, and and everything went quiet. Right, Everything just went quiet after that. Now, initially before y'all made it, when I called you, tell him about the call. Tell him how panic I was telling about. I thought you were just seeing a bear. Then I saw that big and gray whatever it was it was. And then your girlfriend does she still think it's a bear? No, she believes it what you were talking about. And then because you and my sister, she her and my sister. So yeah, that's why I said. I told him I was the only one who didn't see it, only that you were looking at the other side. Yeah, I kept looking everywhere else. We were hearing those noises and then the tap and that I told you.

1:28:43 All about it on the cavan door, water on the wall, man like. And I was just telling Jeremiah, I haven't even talked to you about any of these. You know what I'm saying. And then the picture that I found in that little video that I sent. Right, you can see the face. It's now Jeremiah, you and the audience. Man, y'all just heard that. Laugh. This is not anything that was initiated. He's in here playing the game, right man. Like I said everything that, I just stay here and told you guys, he just initialized it because he. Was there, man. And like I said, I didn't get to see anything. They everybody else saw it. My fiance, him and his girlfriend. They all saw something and they freaked out and ran in the house. And I was frustrated because I'm like, why would y'all do it? You know what I'm saying. But I can understand. He was like, man, I wasn't about to see I wasn't about to look and see what it was.

1:29:28 So is Jordan's still there? Oh, give me one second. I'm sorry, give me one second. Here. I think he got a question for you. Bro, All right, jored right, here is Jordan when you and your your girlfriend correct you, you said you actually saw the face of whatever it was. I saw the body. It was standing up. I seen it on the verse of stand up, but I went't in sided for I see the face. I got a little scared. I ain't. Did you notice saying about the body that you could see that you remember? It was like it was very furry, big, like the arms were huge, and it was way bigger than the bear.

1:30:10 And like I said, it was still standing. We were on the second was like on the second story, and it was still standing on this way to stand up before I went inside. It wouldn't even it wasn't even before standing up. It was still like it was just on all fours and you just getting on TUESDA. When you say the arms were huge, what do you mean by that, Like the size of a big branch, The width of them like muscular, very muscular. Yeah, okay, did you see anything about the length of the arms at all? Oh? Yeah, they were. They were like at least six feet long. And what I told him is where we were is about fifteen feet off the Grand Hoarse. For you to be able to see him, yeah, it would have to have been at least eight to nine feet tall bro.

1:30:57 Or taller, because like I said, he was just still. It wasn't he was standing up fully, he was just getting rising from all fours. To his feet. One last question, Jordan, I appreciate you being ambush like this. Do you remember anything about the head? Did you see the head of the creature at all? Like that shape of the head. It was a big. It was like at least like the size of two basketballs or anything. I saw that. I didn't see the face. I just didn't see the face. That's pretty awesome, Jordan, Thank you for sharing that. Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Jack. Yeah, Jereedmia Man, I'm not gonna say I wish I would have seen it. How they reacted, but man, I'm just still blown away about it.

1:31:37 Man, it's wild, don this is a wild one. I'll be very interested once you're able to send some of the different evidence over. I'm interested to see what it looks like. For sure. A lot of listeners really like the area that you're talking about, this whole gatlin Berg, Pigeon Forge, blah blah blah. Are you able to to share specifics as to it? Sounds like it's just a place you rented out. Are you able to share specifics about it? If I needed to get specific as in exactly how to get to it, this specific cabin, I would love to do that, but that would be something that I would do offline because we have a lot of crazies out here and I don't want this area being ambushed at bar. But all of that information we can definitely I can give it to you offline, but I don't feel comfortable doing it on here. But what I can tell the people is we were just in that literally in that we passed right by the cabin. And I don't mean like physically passed by it. But this strip, there's a strip in Gatlin Bird. The cabin is located in Severeville or Severville, however you want to pronounce.

1:32:44 It is spelled sei v E r V I lead. And this is past Dollywood and all of that after the main attraction. But so you have Severville or Sevilleville, you have Pigeon Fordgers, you have Gatlin Bird. And I forgot why we were going with this, Okay, so we were just there. So we actually spent Christmas Eve and Christmas in that's literally in that same area. The only difference is the first cabin where we experience all of this. So if we're heading toward Gatlin Bird, you have to turn down this middle and then go back the opposite way like you were coming to turn right to go up that mountain now where. We stayed at this time. If you're going to Gatlin Bird, you just go right up this road and pass this. It's like what do you call it the little station whatever with the forest.

1:33:32 Ranger station or whatever. You go up past that. The difference in where we stayed this time, we were actually higher up in elevation than the first cabin, but it was more populated. I have videos and pictures from that also. But the thing is the other cabin is high in elevation, but at the time. Now, I can't speak for today because, like I said, this was not last year. This was November of twenty twenty two. That area. Like I said, we had abandoned unfinished cabin to the right of it. Okay, hold on, if I'm looking at the front of the cabinet's to the right, and we had one neighbor to the left of us, and we never saw them the whole time we saw the car, but we never saw them. Now, the people who were back on the deck flashing down into the valley, they were our neighbors also, but they were only our neighbors because of the location that we were in and we could actually see them if I were to guess they if let's just say we were thirty feet in the air, they had to be about sixty because the cabin that they had was a little bigger.

1:34:33 Than ours, because our hours was only a two bedroom. Their cabin they looked like they had maybe a five bedroom cabin, and they had a super nice deck on the back. But all of this, Man, if you're ever in this area, jar Maya, if you're. Interested, man, because there's a lot of people that I've heard on your podcast that I would love to get out and just do some researching or whatever you want to call it with man. But yeah, but if people are interested in this area as far as just traveling, not just the Bigfoot or both, Man, it's a great area to come to, actually for people who've never been there. If they do decide to actually go to Gatlinburg or Christmas or something like that, the whole town of.

1:35:14 Gatlinburg is open for Christmas. That nothing's closed down. If it is, there's maybe one or two spots, but they make all of their money around the holidays. So that is definitely something that. People should look into if they want to come out they've never experienced being out of the mountains in the cabins. I will not share the location with anyone but you where we stayed at, But if people wanted just a general area, I would definitely be willing to share that. Part, which you would say general. The general area you can share on the podcast is like Severville severe Yep, gotcha, because I know I'm going to get dude. After every episode, I get you. Guys are always like, hey tell me where.

1:35:58 Yeah, but listen, Hey, look that's confidential. But there's this older guy Jeremiah from a while ago, and I'm gonna just bring it to you to make the only way I could probably make you remember because. I know you, man, you have so many episodes. There was this guy who I think he had a girlfriend, and he was like, I just want them to go away. They slapt the house, They've killed dogs and all of this. It was that kind I know exactly, Man, I will and you're talking about you. I would love to was that guy from Tennessee. Oh yeah, man, jere I don't know if you've ever done it. Man, if you can try and see if he's okay with someone who else who's had an experience. Man, I'm not trying to go and stir up anything.

1:36:39 I would love to just go out and just explore they guy's property. Man, if ever possible. Man, I know he will be I know he listens. But yeah, that would be very interesting, I think because from what it sounds like, stuff is still happening off and on. It's a pretty wild area for sure where he's at. I hate that. I hate that for that old guy. Man. That's no way for anyone to live. Man, and his neighbors too. It's the crazy thing. It's not just him, but don it has been. It's such a fun, fun time chatting with you. And I feel like there's going to be more that comes out about this whole night. I just have a feeling that the story's not done. But I appreciate you ritching out to me.

1:37:24 Yeah, Man, no problem, I appreciate too, Man, And I must I have to give you your flowers. Man. What you're doing, man is great. Keep up the great work, man, full force ahead. Don't let anyone stop you. Man. If you seem like an honest guy, hopefully you and your family had a great Christmas. And things like that. Man. And it may be a push man, but hopefully man, one day, Man, we. Could sit down and talk about something man and maybe just set up a camping trip or something. Man, because I live maybe about twenty minutes from Okoy River, and me and my fiance we like to take our bully puppy and go up into the mountains, get fresh air and just look over and just gonna wind up there. Man. But if you're ever in East Tennessee, you're in a miszou. Where are you?

1:38:04 Central Iowa? Yeah, Central Iowa? Okay, If you're ever in East Tennessee. Man in this area, man, you do have my contact and my email. Man. If you want to set something up, man, well we can just get out and do something fun. It doesn't even have to be Bigfoot related. But if you ever need some guidance or something fun to do, or me to point you in a direction in this area, man, please feel free to reach out to me. Yes, Sarah and Don thank you so much for coming on. You're at big for Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening.

1:39:18 Bigfoot Society Podcasts hosted by our Captain Jeremiah Byron where it's all Bigfoot, all the time. Have you ever had the urge to do more? To be more? Now you can by joining Bigfoot Society on the Patreon get out free episodes and even number only episodes, take part in movie Night and even live video chats, interact behind the scenes with Jeremiah and other Patreon members like me, play it the powerful podcast goes on, and you may contribute a verse in our Patreon community. Car padm Seize the day, Bigfooters and make your lives extraordinary.

1:39:59 Pa. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge, Dexter Fall Creek to Shoot National Forest area, Cultist Lake, Spirit Lake, Stubtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home area, the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty West Diamond Lake Highway, and north of sixty two Crater Lake Highway. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. A special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your support that helps keep the show going and I extremely appreciate it. If you want to join in the fun, you can join over at patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society.

1:41:19 I'll see you there, and again, thanks for listening.