Family of Bigfoot Found in Oregon: A Paranormal Investigator’s True Encounter

0:00 You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all. Right, Pig the Society. You get the privilege of talking to mister Darren Shawl today. He is an individual I got connected to over on the Facebook platform. And a little background about Darren. He's been a paranormal investigator for thirty years and a cryptid investigator for the past six years, and we're going to be talking about really what's been happening during those six years. Welcome to the show, Darren.

0:56 How are you doing. Today, sir? Good? Thanks for having me on. Absolutely Now let's start here. So when you say just maybe a little background, So when you say paranormal investigator. Are you for the thirty years, are you the kind of guy that you've been going out in investigated houses that are haunted and things like that, just so we're on the same page as you. Basically, what I do on that for the last thirty years is houses cemeteries, locations in the wilderness pretty much wherever I get a call to go to the check things out and try to help the home owners feel a little bit more at ease with their circumstances and in the situation.

1:39 So absolutely, and from what I would gather and maybe from what I know a little bit behind the scenes, it sounds like there was something that happened that kind of got your focus to go over to the cryptid side a bit. The funny thing is, me and my team went up to this old abandoned homestead. The funny thing is I was stopped in the supermarket and some people around town happen to know who I am and what I do, and it was a hunter and he said that he was up at the old homestead and he had seen a woman standing in the field calling his name, and he didn't feel very comfortable with that. So we ended up getting out of that situation. So I talked to my crew and I said, hey, we've never been up there, why don't we go up there? And it sounds like it's a hotspot. Let's go figure this out, and.

2:42 So we go up. We did our initial investigation, and we had talked to the local historical society and they said, the cemetery is down the hill a little ways and curse the cemetery is paranormal investigators, let's go talk to them. People were treated very horrible up here and they were pretty much abandoned, so they've got to have a storytelling. While we were looking for the cemetery is when we stumbled, and stumbled is the only appropriate word. Is we stumbled upon a family of bigfoot and it just took off like a shot.

3:23 And that's that was the start of our crypton investigations. Wow, Darren, that's intense, And I know a lot of listeners right now are like, a family big foot, that's awesome. Where is it? So we can say it's an. Organ right because we don't want to exactly give out the exact location. Because over the last six years, we've been able to go back during certain months and we are successfully locating and tracking these things. They have a path, these Bigfoot, the Susquatch, this pod, this family, they have a cycle, a have pattern that we've been able to track, and we're very successful that every year that when we go back up during these months and during these times, we are running into them. I'm not saying that we're all friendly and we don't name them or anything. We're encountering them every single year like clockwork.

4:27 Some fascinating stuff. So when you say family or pod, which I would assume is the name we're using for the group of them, what kind of individuals and types are you seeing in this pod? What we found that one day that started this whole thing off was we come across this little meadow and this on a little valley and we're up on the ridge a little bit and we're being loud. We're being your normal hiker. We're just hiking through the woods, talk allow, just being obnoxious and joking around, and we're like, okay, we're going to go find the cemetery. And we go to where we were told the cemetery is. Oh, yeah, it's over here, here's your coordinates. We get down to where it is and we're like, okay, there's nothing here.

5:18 And one of my guys looks down. We're probably about eighty five ninety feet away from them, and he looks across and he's like, there's something down there. And we've got thermal cameras and we got everything else. So one of my guys with the thermal camera gets a mon thermal camera. We've got one hiding behind a tree, and we've got that video on our YouTube page where you can see a bright hot object hiding behind a tree, peeking around. And what it was. There was two females and two juveniles. We could tell that they were females, and so we're watching them and they're watching us. I think it was more of a situation of we all caught each other off guard.

6:08 And they were just hiding. They were hiding behind trees and peeking around, and we're just we're staring at them, and they're staring at us. And we got the feeling that they just expected the crazy humans just to walk on pass and not really paying any attention. And then they were just stuck there. And while we're starting watching them, their hair was just like a dark black and then the two they were about seven feet te For the two females and then the juveniles were probably about four and a half feet tall. As we're staring at him, one of my guys goes, hey, we had a whoop at him and see if the woop back.

6:51 So we started whooping. That's when we got a return whoop from behind us, and we turned to take a look and be like, okay, what's behind us. We turned back around and we're like, okay, we can't see anything, but this is kind of getting crazy. Let's focus on the females and the juveniles and focus on what we can see. By that point, they had that little moment to take off from the valley, and that's where we lost contact with him. Two females, two juveniles, and then you heard something behind you. Correct. Correct, because what we've been finding out is normally you've got in our pod. The big male has a central area of this wider area. Because we've done some interviews with people who have seen we call them the silver back borrow wing, a term from gorillas, and we've interviewed a bunch of people in the next town over and they say, oh, yeah, we just he comes around, he gets in the garbage cans, he's by himself, and he's just a big nine footer. But we have had interactions with other males, so we're believing that those would be more the teenagers, the younger males that aren't exactly the big alpha that are seem to be protecting.

8:18 The females and the kids. We've had rocks thrown at us, and we've been hit with that stench, which we're thinking is maybe like a skunk response. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to fast forward a year. Here, we see the females, juveniles, We get out of there, we're all hyped up, we're excited. We give it a year, go about our business. The following year. The next April, we go back up and we start finding like these nests. Something hits pushed down these trees and fill them with burns. And we were had been going to started going to Bigfoot conference is trying to learn everything that we could and there's one up in the Olympic Peninsula where they've been finding these big handwoven nests filled with huckleberries, and their research says that huckleberries have the medicinal quality for childbirth and the motherhood. Our altitude is too low for that for huckleberries, but bracken ferns grow plentiful and if you look up medicinal qualities of brack and fern, it also has childbirth and the motherhood type ailments that they can fix. It's a good medicinal property. That's year two. We start finding these nests everywhere.

9:44 We get rocks thrown at us, and it's a bigger male and it's stocking us. It's walking in the creek next to the trail there, and we stop and we're talking and we get hit with that awful smell. That's just we tried to describe how bad it is, but it's just this pungent, just bad. But it didn't linger long, it would. It just hit us like a skunk would spray. Uh. So you're just you're aware that, hey, I need to get out of here. So we kind of looked around and I saw two branches from another tree we pulled down, and then something pulled itself up over the bank. I didn't get a great view of it, but it was definitely something large pulling itself up over the bank get away from us. So yeah, we ended up leaving that day as quickly as we could.

10:43 I'm curious Why was it that you waited a whole year before going back up there. We were still doing the paranormal stuff pretty much full time, and we had other cases and everything else lined up, and then it was we get back around to January and we hang one up to our local squatch fest, and then we started talking about it. We're like, you know what, we need to go back out there, and also we needed to have time to learn what we're doing and how we're doing it and talk to people that do it full time and get the research in because we're used to sitting in an abandoned building at three o'clock in the morning talking.

11:26 To a broken radio. And now it's like, okay, now. We've got to change our way of thinking to we're going to be out in the wilderness and how are we going to do this and how we're going to approach this. I think that's really smart of you. A lot of people would probably just be like, all right, let's hit it hard and not take the time to get that foundation in their Hats off to you, guys. Is this a thing where you are trying to get footprint cast as well try to get any evidence of any kind when you're up there in the area. We actually have pulled out three different footprints. In the first well, okay, we can't count the first year, but the next three years after that we've pulled out footprints.

12:14 We go with the basic logic of Okay, everything that's living needs water, it needs food, and it needs shelters. We track the water sources that where's the streams, where the criets, the rivers, what's close to here, what's the food supply? Like, everything's going to need to eat and it's going to need water eventually sometime during the day. We've got to put ourselves in that mentality of Okay, these are the things we're looking for. If the question that myself and my team ask ourselves when we enter a situation is if we were stuck in the woods, where's the food, where's the water that we would be able to survive off of. It's been a lot of homework on our end of the and I said, for ghosts hunting, you're in a building, you're out of the elements, you got a water bottle, you got a snack on you or something like that. Wilderness survival, you got taken an effect. Know your weather, know the weather turns, especially up on these mountains that we go onto. Yeah, it's just been a lot of education before we started rolling out to do it pretty much monthly.

13:27 Okay, gosha. So now for the last few years it sounds like you're going up there every month, which is awesome. Has there been a time when you've been able to get a really good look of. The sasquatch that you have up there? You mentioned that you were able to see one go up the side of a bank, maybe with a tree, But have there been any other sightings that you've been fortunate enough to have. It was the initial, but all we had was a thermal camera, the one with the male pulling itself up for the bank. We were not rolling any cameras, so after that one we started buying go pros body cameras, outfitting ourselves out to the extreme over the last couple of years. I'm going to stress this. I can't stress you enough. We are not friendly with them. We have been run out, We've had rocks thrown at us and we get too close.

14:25 We don't name them. I know some people who run into these things all the time they name them and have we have Okay, let me go three years back, we were going up local area. It's April again. We were not rolling on anything, we weren't had no cameras rolling. I had one of my team go down a trail that we had never been down before, and me and the other guy were sitting there who were actually charging up our GoPros, a little solder battery thing. And we're sitting there and we're having lunch and we're just talking and we look across into the swampy area and there's a juvenile male peeking around a tree at us, and I'm like, of course, of course they're coming out right now.

15:24 They know that everything's plugged in and that one. No, we didn't get anything on camera, but we did get a good visual of him staring at us. On the show, I get a lot of different types of sighting reports, and you have people that see them. What they saw looked very human, or what they saw looked maybe more ape like. Did it fit either of those or was it maybe something completely different than those two? This pod, this family that we have in following, they've got more of alla face, well, a flat nose, dark hair, skin color. Is it's not real like chimpanzee and it's not gorilla dark. It's like a be in between those two.

16:21 Gotcha? Did it have a certain shape to its head at all? They got that classic cone on the top of the head there. That's about the only way I can describe it as it just has that. Gimlin Patterson film coned head. Gotcha. Gotcha. This is something I've never experienced before. But you mentioned that you guys have experienced, and that's you've been run out of the area at least once. Can you walk me through what it's like to be run out of an area by I guess at least one sasquatch would be involved.

17:04 It's the times that we get run out are the times we get entirely too close to a nest or a feeding ground. The last time we got run out, we ended up finding a kill zone. There was just a massive bones just spread out over this little area. There's an elk refuge up in this area too. Something had to kill a couple of elk and just rip them apart. And as we're up there and we're trying to document it, and that's actually where we pulled another footprint was right next to one of the bodies. Some of us started feeling very sick. We wanted to say it was infrasound, but we can't really document that. But then there was the rocks being thrown at us. Started out just small rocks going through the trees, so you kind of hear something hitting trees next to us or at our feet, and then it's small, and then we kind of.

18:05 Started to move. A little bit quicker, and we're like, okay, quick take pictures, take video. The footprint was still drying. We're like, okay, we'll just we'll leave, we'll come back and we'll get it in an hour or so. And as we're leaving the woods and hitting down this trail, the rocks are getting a little bit more frequent, a little bit bigger. We're hearing growls behind us, so it's now become more vocal of but you guys need to leave. Your time is up. You need to leave. You were somewhere you weren't supposed to be. So we ended up getting chased probably a good quarter mile back to the truck and just continually having things thrown at us. When we got to where the truck is, there's a little creek off to the left hand side of the trail and you could hear something splashing through the criek, really making it obvious that I'm over here.

19:01 You need to be aware and you need to get out. So we ended up loading up in the truck, getting a majority of everybody out safe and sound, and we came back with just three of us to go retrieve the footprint real quick. What was that like going back to retrieve the footprint? What were you guys experiencing? Did things rev up when you went back into that area? Were you able to get in and out pretty quick? We kind of ran it. My guys basically parked the truck and they ended up running down to it, pulling it out of the ground, throwing it in a rain poncho, and then running back out as quickly as they could. I did not go with them to go back and get the footprint. I was trying to deal with getting the rest of the crew calmed down a little bit.

19:51 And they said. Entered when they parked and entered the trail, they said there was no birds, there was no chipmunks, there was no sound. They just felt like they were watched and they were stocked the entire time. They said, they just flat out ran it. Just no cameras, no body cameras, no packs, no nothing, just get in, get out. Can't leave this behind. It's a good print. So that's really intense. What dimensions are the tracks that you've been able to pull out of this area? The smallest one was fourteen and a half inches long by like about three four inches wide, and the longest one we pulled out was sixteen and a half feet and about almost five inches wide.

20:50 Gotcha, sixteen and a half inches by five yeah? Yeah, okay. Wow. Have you guys ever used any of your parent normal investigation equipment in this same area to see if it registers at all? We've tried to use some stuff. Our spirit boxes really don't give off a lot of anything. The EMF meters. There's two areas that we get a little bit of a spike to it, but we're not depending on the type of year. Is when we try to do more of the sits, sit down in the woods and just focus on things, because we've noticed that there is now there's a pottern to these woods.

21:33 On when things come and when they go. Now, like all the aggressive males go further up the mountain in April and May, the females happen to leave the mid part of the mountain June, July and August, and then June, July and August we don't go up there because there's a whole different creature that likes to inhabit that area that we don't like to deal with. Is that something we're able to talk about at all, or is that just subject we're not really going to get into. Oh, we can discuss it. For the past three years in the area in the summertime June, July and August, we have been actively stopped, chased witnessed dogman. Yeah, there's a nice little pack of them.

22:28 It started out with two and we were stocked out of there by that one. We had left up game cameras three years ago because we're like, okay, we haven't really seen much in the summertime. Let's put up game cameras. Leave them up there a month, and we'll come back and try to figure out what's going on with this area in the summertime. You know, why is all the activity for squatching just dead in July and August. There's you know, every time we go up there, there's nothing going on. So it's like, let's put up game cameras. We had actually ended up going back up to the old homestead do a paranormal thing, and it was like, okay, on our way back down, we've got game cameras. Let's go in and grab them and let's see what we Got've been up there a month. Me and my buddy James go in to where the game cameras are and we get up to where they are, and we've got everybody at the truck with the bionic ears and sound amplifiers, and one of them is like radioing us and saying I'm hearing breathing in the woods. So I'm like, okay, we'll make this quick. Maybe this is gonna be one of the hostile encounters where they're going to chase us. Well, grab the game camera and I happen to look up into the woods where the person's pointing to that it's

23:59 right there. That's when I see seven foot tall bipedial canine got kind of like a German shepherd head, and it's staring at me. So I grabbed the camera and I back out of there. I'm not taking my eyes off it. It's watching me. I'm watching it. I go back to back with my buddy James down on the trail head and I'm like, dude, we need to get out of here. There's some I'm still staring the scene, dead in the eyes, and he's like staring at the creek on the other side of the trail and he's like, there's one over there. James has a pistol and he draws it.

24:42 I am not armed. All I have is little hunting knife. So we start back and out of there real quick, carefully, quietly. I'm still keeping eyes on mine. He's looking down and he's looking at it. We get in the truck when we get out of there as quickly as we can. The next year, we went up there and we're just like, okay, beginning of June should be okay. No, it wasn't okay. We're stock where we found these tracks. We're trying to find these tracks, and there we couldn't cast them, and they looked like bigfoot tracks, but they were just the plant material underneath. All the trees were just pine needles and everything else. We're like, yeah, we're not gonna be able to cast this. Let's try and track it down and see what we can find that we can cast.

25:38 And I stayed up on the road because I'm like, okay, I'm going to stay up here. I'm going to keep an eye out for things. We wear these shooting ear muffs that amplify all the out exterior sound. And I hear branches cracking behind me, and I am armed at this point because they're like, okay, we're get towards dog man season. We should have something handy. And I turn around and I see a dogman peering out from behind a tree, and then I hear a sound off to the right of him, and there's another dog man, and then there's a third dogman pops up and a little bit smaller, definitely a young man. The guys come back up and I have not drawn any weapons.

26:25 I'm just staring at these things. I'm like, okay, we need to go. He's like. Looking in the woods, and he goes, okay, I see that one off to the left. I got ah huh, And then look over about twenty feet and then another thirty feet off of that one, and so he's eyeballing. He's noticing our third guy. We've been finding this. We can only estimate that it's a bigfoot piling trees up there. It's like one of those big t piez style things that Bigfoot seemed to be making from time to time. So he's like, I'm going to go over here. I'm going to check to see the progress on that one, because it used it was three sticks, then it was like forty sticks. And he's like, I want to go see the condition that it's in. I'm all right, just make it real quick. And then we got to get in the truck and get out of here. He gets back there and he says, there were three more things sitting around the teepee and they were laying in the bush, and he's like, I could hear him. I could hear him breathing. They were snarling. So we got in the truck and we went further up the hill where all the squats were. When we came back down, because we got to take the same road in and the same road out, we were trying to be funny and decide, okay, somebody had set up some targets and this little pull out for a target practice. Why don't we stop and

27:57 we'll do some target practice. Try to make yourselves feel a little bit better. I think that was pretty much a mistake because we get back in the truck, shoot some guns and hop back in the truck and we start back down the hill. And my buddy Josh is in the seat in the backseat of the truck and he's looking out right hand side and he goes, there's something running beside the truck. And well, James is driving and he's trying to pay attention. And I rolled down the window to try to turn around get a better look at this thing. And I can't see any details on.

28:38 It, but it's something is definitely running beside the truck, and it's clocking us at twenty five miles an hour and keeping up. Yeah, when I had the window down, you. Can get a really that noxious smell of rotten meat and pet urine and it was just ugly. My goodness. So that puts everything in a whole different way. Now you're not just dealing with a pot of bigfoot or a family group a big foot in the area. You've also have this completely different cryptid to deal with. To make sure I understand it, so you're saying that the bigfoot leave during certain months and then the dog man individuals they come into the same area.

29:28 Okay, Now, the funny thing is about before we even dealt with the dogmen. I was wearing a Bigfoot shirts and I was at the local fred Myers and I was doing a self checkout and I was just trying to get in, get out, get home, and there was a lady at the self checkout next to mine. She saw my shirt and she goes, hey, I like your shirts. Did you happen to know there's foot in the backwoods here? And I was like, oh, yeah, we've been tracking him for a few years and we're trying to understand him. So I go back to putting myself and then then I'm just chit chatting, and then she says so and she goes, yeah, the dogmen in the Bigfoot are always fighting for territory up by my farm, and they're always making such a loud racket at night. And it didn't click right away, and I was like, oh, that's interressing.

30:31 And then she was done with her stuff and she goes, all right, have a good day, and I'm like okay, and I was like, wait a minute, process process, Okay, I need to talk to this woman. Trying to finish pack and all my stuff, pay as quick as I can, run out the store, try to follow her and now I'm an investigator. I need to know more. Where's this farm, where's this ranch? What time of the year is it that these battles are going on if you've got a wrestling match going on for free on a front row seat. But I couldn't find her. Like I said, what we've been finding is it seems to be that the squatch seemed to be going up and down and over this mountain into the next valley because there's a river on the back side of this mountain, so they seem to be doing springtime on my side, and then summer they go further up and then up and over for the fish room. Now the dogmen, we're trying to figure out what their pattern is. We actually interviewed a lady this summer. We went to this little county park just off out of the way. There's a legend of a horse thief who was hung and people see this guy today. They'll be camping out and they'll see a man and his dog walk around in the park and it's when they turn on lights, there's nobody there.

32:05 So we're like, okay, let's go out and we'll investigate this one. We didn't really pack for Bigfoot didn't pack for dogmen. We just took ghost gear and we're like, okay, we're just going to do this. As we're trying to find the hanging tree, and we had. Talked to the Historical Society and they said, oh, you go in the. Park, you take this trail, you go back five hundred feet and there's a tree. We start getting stocked by something. We're like, okay, this is weird. People have seen squatch over here and this seems to be the heart of their territory. Maybe it's a squatch. We don't see much, don't see much. It's we can hear it around us.

32:48 In the woods. We get back out, we're like, okay, do our little thing. Get ready to wrap up, and we're walking toward the car and one of the ladies that's been camping there for a while she comes over and she goes, oh, you guys are ghost hunters. I saw your gear on your table more. Yeah, you we also do a bigfoot and there's been some reports of bigfoot out here. She goes, oh, I've been here for about two weeks. I haven't seen any bigfoot, but there is this giant dog and she puts a handout and she goes, now, it's about this tall shoulder and she's about five foot two and it's about five feet and she goes, yeah, it comes around on all fours. It gets into my dog's food at night, I have to chase it away. It wants to try to get into the tent.

33:37 We're just like, oh, this is great. And then we talked to the camp post and they're like, oh, yeah, it's just a giant dog. He's just wandering around and it's what and what dog is really five feet tall and just roaming free. We're trying to figure out and the next step on this whole thing is what's the pattern, where are. They going, how are they going, how they coming and going? Why do the bigfoot go further up the mountain during a certain time of the year, and do they feel safer? These things we got to try to figure out.

34:18 Did you say that? The camposts were rather like whatever about the whole deal, Like it's no big deal. Yeah, they said, it's been hanging out for the last year or two and it doesn't attack anybody. They'll see it four or five six times a day just walking through the camp and they're like, oh yeah, it's then when they described it, They're like, it looks like a wolf. It's about five feet at the shoulders and it's a dark gray with black streaks. We try to look up dog breeds and have black streaks are that tall well, and it's like we're really striking at a little bit.

35:04 We were like, does it look like a great Dane? Is it a Afghan? And I'm like, it just looks like a mutt. Looks like a combination of a bunch. Incredible man. So, knowing that you've got the two things going on, I'm sure you guys are protected in different ways when you're going up there. Yeah, most definitely. We were asked. I was asked on a different podcast, when you're fully armed to the teeth, how are the Bigfoot responding to that? Again, I don't want to say we're friendly and everything on certain terms, but since I've been packing in firearms when it's in the April May months, March April May, Okay, for example, this past May, we did what.

36:10 We call the sit. We just like, Okay, it's April, we're gonna get in gilly suits. We're gonna go and we're gonna park ourselves along this ridge at twenty foot intervals. You know, we all got cameras. We're like, okay, we know that they're here. Experience and habit and routine have just said that, yes, they are going to be in this area. Is time. We're strapped for pistols on our sides and in gilly suits. We're just honkered down. Like I said, about thirty feet in between us and this riverbed and what we There's another one of the things that it's kind of hard to define.

36:57 What it is. We heard, but. And a bunch of us had heard it. So we're in ghillie suits, we're laying on the bank, just looking like logs. We start hearing this cooing. And that's the only way word we can use to describe it is it's a high cooing like you would coop to a like a child. You're trying to calm down a child a little bit. Ooh, you know, the best way I can describe it. But I kept getting closer closer, and then it's right underneath the ridge underneath me.

37:42 I'm up a little bit higher on this over ahead, and we didn't feel too threatened by it. I think I was a little bit more spooked that it was right underneath me, and it was cooing, and I was like, you know what, it's right underneath this. It's probably about three feet underneath me. I think it's time to go now because it's getting real close. But we're just going through the motion of These things are very They know when we show up, even if we dissent ourselves gilly suits. The minute that truck stops and it's a big old diesel, everything in the neighborhood knows that we're arriving. We don't draw pistols during the squatch season, we don't even reach for them. It's primarily during the summertime months that we're a little bit more jumpy.

38:53 When you've been sitting or doing the sit up. There have there been any types of other interactions that have happened between you, your team and whatever creatures are out there at the time. The reactions with the Bigfoot seem to be that. I mean, we last time we sat there for two and a half hours and. Then we got the cooing. Some people will. Hear branches breaking and something moving slowly. There might be a little pebble that's thrown at us just to see if we'll react. I think if we're posing no threat and we're just playing like we're a log. Nine out of ten times they're just they'll throw something and see if you react. I think it's like a game to the juveniles at a certain point of ah, yeah, there's humans over there, let's little rocks. See if they'll freak out and run. Normally, it's just you'll have a few things hit a tree next to you. You'll get like maybe a little whoop, a little howl in the background.

39:53 Once they know that you're not going to react and play, then they just seem to just go about their business. Has anyone on the team ever checked for radiation levels in that area with like an RF meter or been affected and weird physical ways after being up there. One of our guys has had the constant like vertigo. He doesn't come up a lot anymore, just because effect. It just seemed to affect him a little bit more. As for radiation meters, that is actually on our list of things to pick up for these things. Now there's been vertigo, there's been feeling just lightheaded from time to time, But as.

40:42 Long as we're just. If it's during the time that we would normally find a nest we try to avoid those areas because, like I said, they have a pattern, they have a routine. They're going to be in these zones at certain times of the year inside their nest. So we stay clear than nests during March and April. We don't go into that part of the swamp, you know, that part of the mountain. We try to basically just give them the room to breathe and do their thing. And I would say, and it's just our theory, mind you, that when the females are giving birth, that the older males are working century work, so they're the ones that are out in the outer perimeter, protecting the mothers and the newborns. And they'll normally throw rocks at us, again, small rocks, let us know, hey, you're not supposed to be here, and then they'll get a little bit more intense. But as long as we stay out of those zones, we seem to get along pretty fine.

41:51 That they're okay with us, they're okay. With us being there as long as we're not in the crucial areas that we need to be. If that makes any sense, No. It absolutely does, and I would really it's on your list already, But I would recommend definitely getting some kind of RF meter. Just I think it's a thing that is definitely being talked about in the community where people are. There's Joe Purdue out of West Virginia. They found the actual radioactive big Foot footprint out there in that state, and I think it's something that needs to be a little bit looked into more. So I'm glad that you guys are doing that or planning to do that for sure.

42:43 Yeah, every year seems to be a growing moment for the team and myself. On the first year we six years ago, when we first encountered them, the only cameras we had were our phones. You're only going to be able to do so much with that. And then it's we've grown into Okay, let's learn from everybody else. Listen to go to these Bigfoot festivals and conferences and learn from the people that have been doing it for a while. We've had the distinct honor to talk to doctor Meldrum for the last couple of years and pick his brain and saying, Okay, this is what we're coming up against. What would you think about this one? So I know with his passing, we've kind of lost a resource it's like we don't know everything.

43:33 About these things. We're still learning about them. And one question that's been up to me was, if you've been run out of the area and chased by dog man, why do you keep going back? And it's like, we want to know it's the same thing that drives us to go into these common buildings and stay there until six o'clock in the morning. It's like I was. I grew up on a Patterson Gidland. Film and my grandmother was from Arkansas, so there was always the legends and the myths, and I grew up with all that, but Bigfoot was never really the goal. I guess you would say it's always been the ghosts. I was just like, yeah, I'm just gonna stick with the paranormal field and that's where I'm going to be. And then.

44:16 Seeing them, seeing the two females and the two juveniles, it's like, now I need to know more about these things. So it's like I said, every single year, we're learning something new, we're writing it down, we're putting it in our in our arsenal and going forward to the next year, and Okay, now, how are we going to do this? How are we going to do that. Like I said, we've been casting footprints when we find them. They're getting better at that. The first one was a very horrible cast, but it's like, we want to know more about these things. We just did an interview a couple months back by a person in the next down over and he gave us the exact location of the big old silver back. He's like, yep, if you come out during these months, he sits up on the hill and everybody sees him.

45:07 Oh wow, And yeah. He said he had the damage to his barn. He said one night he had walked out and leveled out of twelve gage and hit two blasts in the air. You know, something was out with his chickens, and he leveled out two blasts to scare it away. And the next couple of nights something beat the crap out of his barn, but a big holes in it. We got to look at the barn and there was big old footprints right next to where the scene was, just beaten holes in the wall. It's like all right, And he was like, yo, it's here all the time. It likes to come in it. He's had to do something new with his chickens to make sure that it doesn't get his chickens.

45:47 All the time. He said, Oh yeah, you go talk to sons and they're gonna they're gonna tell you the same thing. Their goats go missing. Is absolutely wild. Has anyone have you chuched any locals that have been able to get, like any photographs or video of when they're being messed with on their property. Nine out of ten times it's early in the morning, and they're not really thinking cameras. They're going for shotguns and rifles because they're ranchers or farmers. Their livestock is being threatened and their main concern at that point is I need to go out and protect my livestock from getting taken. We've talked to them, Hey, you know what, maybe if you put up some outdoor security cameras and if you capture anything.

46:36 You can let us get a copy of that. These are die hard country people, just they're out in the middle kind of nowhere, and they're just it's an older generation and they'd rather shoot in the air with twelve gage than stop and take a picture. No, that makes total sense, Darren, this has been a great conversation. You have one last question for you, and have you or anyone on your team ever had any form of what you feel is communication with either the Bigfoot or the dog man that are in this area.

47:18 I would say the only range of communication we've had was the cooing, because it made us feel like it was trying to gauge us on how we were doing because we had rocks thrown at us and we weren't moving, and we were there for two and a half hours just laying there. So we feel the cooing, which was just like if you saw like a hurt dog. Hey buddy, Hey, what's going on buddy? We felt that was communication, but nothing, no psychic impressions. No, I don't know how I support that, just we just go that. The cooing was, hey, we're just gonna we're just gonna check on you, and you haven't moved in a while. Dogmen, on the other hand, those ground us and I can't say anything psychic, just.

48:05 A lot of fear. It makes sense, and thank you for answering that well, Darren. I appreciate you coming on the show today. Is a pretty cool one because it is definitely an ongoing investigation. From what I would imagine, you guys are still going there's no end in sight for this, I would imagine. I certainly hope not, because I need to know more, My team needs to know more, and we've been willing to take more seasoned professionals out with us get a better handle on what's going on. We put it out there towards other people that deal and squatch and have many more years of experience, and the offer always stands to anybody that wants to go out. It's like, yeah, come out with more about this than we do. We're young in this profession. We'll get a time and a place to meet us and.

49:01 We'll take you. That's awesome. At the end of our conversation here, you did mention a little bit that it sounds like you do have a YouTube channel. Is there a way then that people can keep up to date with what you are doing? Are you doing videos about this investigation anything? I thought, yeah, we're The YouTube channel has a lot of the Squatch videos, our outdoor stuff, our aeron normal stuff. It's just everything is just a YouTube dot com slash d became Investigations. That's great. I'll make sure to put that in the show notes for the episode so people can check that out. But Darren, thank you so much for coming on the show and definitely keep us in the loop with what happens in the future.

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