Firefighter Photographs Bigfoot in Oregon Wildfire Zone

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, big Forest Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Sarah Hall today. Thanks for being on the show. Sarah, how are you great? How are you Danjremah? I'm doing great, awesome, Thanks for having me. Yeah, this is a fun interview for me because even though I spend all my time pretty much doing the podcast, I also love watching stuff to do with Bigfoot, and you are the person behind Bigfoot Fae, which is really my favorite, I would say my favorite YouTube Bigfoot channel. You know it's incredible and everyone needs to be subscribed to that.

1:09 So just a few things about Sarah Sarah's a barber from Clacamus County, Oregon, which has a ton of activity in its Most listeners will know any town in Clacamus. I mean that's your mount Hood, National Forest area. Places like what Malala is in Clacamus too, Write and Es, Decado. Culton, Beaver Creek, Oregon. City, goat Mountain, all that good stuff. Do you mind sharing how you got into doing the Bigfoot Fades channel and what all is entailed with that?

1:49 Yeah, actually has a lot to do with you. But let me start first with kind of my interest in Bigfoot. I want to say it kind of started back in twenty twelve. I was working in Portland at a barber shop over in Selwa that I helped open, and my brother kept sending me all these like YouTube videos and saying, hey, big that's real, and he's kind of a prankster type of guy, so I thought he was kind of messing with me, but I realized he was actually being pretty serious. So I started watching everything I could find on YouTube, and back in twenty twelve, this is kind of when YouTube sort of took off and started. There wasn't really much out there, so I just started asking people that I was cutting their hair. And I only had one person that told me, hey, I used to be a firefighter down in Sisters Organ and actually I got like a big casting down there, and a bunch of my friends told me that it was. They wouldn't tell me what it was, and so I said really, and he was pretty serious, you know. I could tell he was tell me the truth. And that was the only story I got. And it kind of just died from twenty twelve until this year. Actually, I kind of dropped it and didn't have any leads. Well, anyways, I started working in a few new areas and I moved out to the forest of Clackamus County about I want to say, five years ago. And then my brother goes, hey, you should start looking and asking people again, and I thought, okay, So I started asking people and actually, so this is how it gets into your channel. Somebody was telling me, yeah,

3:20 you should actually check out Sasquatch Chronicles and I said, okay. So I started watching some stories on there, and then your channel showed up, and then there was some stories that were kind of hitting Colton malala esdicaid and I'm like, no way, they're out here, and I'm like looking outside, like, wait, they could actually, So I commented on one of your stories and then you reached out to me actually and said, hey, I'd love to hear more from you. So that's where I started collecting stories from other people, and all of a sudden they just started flooding in and so yes, my channel to answer your question was basically to help support your channel and collect stories from other people that have had encounters. That's it's it's so cool. If everyone that listened to the show did something like that. Can you imagine, Oh my goodness, we would be so much further along. But Sarah that the thing about your channel is that you are it's such an active area Clackamiss County people. I don't know if you really get it until you go out there, which I did spend some time out there this summer in July, and it is extremely saturated. The things that you have going. I would even imagine you can probably go up to most people on the street in certain towns and say like just be like, hey, what's your bigfoot story? And they will have, if not

4:50 a first person account, they will have at least some secondhand thing that they've heard. Usually you can get to these areas where the towns intersect the forest. I would guess what forty five minutes from Portland probably yeah? About that, yeah, wild wild stuff. So I remember the first time I listened to your show. It's very cool because has certain NPR vibe to it, because you could actually hear the sound effects of you cutting hair as you're talking to the person and about their bigfoot story. Really really cool stuff. Do you have any favorite stories that come to mind that you've heard over the short amount of time that you've been able to talk to people about their encounters.

5:40 Yeah, I would say my favorite story because I didn't actually believe it at first. It was just so out. There was one where a guy told me he was hunting in the Redland Forest of Oregon City area. He had to go past the gate. He was hunting with his dad, but his dad was kind of often in another area, and he sees a deer through his scope and he gets the deer and he said, what he thought at first was a bear came up and tried to take the deer, but when he looked closer, it wasn't a bear. It was like a giant sas squatch. She said, and he goes, yeah, I just popped off three shots kind of near it, just to kind of scare it off, and it did kind of a jump, and then it just kind of took off through the forest.

6:21 And I couldn't believe this guy wasn't more like excited about it. He actually seemed annoyed that bigfoot tried to take his deer. Right, So, that story, I think, really stood out to me, and again, like it was really hard for my brain to process this new information until a week later, another man who doesn't know this person, told me he also saw a bigfoot in that same area of Viola, in the Redland area, and it was just standing in the road when him and his dad were kind of driving around there, and he goes, yeah, first I thought it was a man, then I thought it was an animal. And when we drove it closer to it was just sort of staring at us. And it almost made me wonder if it was the same real bigfoot because there both two years ago in the same area.

7:02 Oh man, Oh okay. When you're talking to people in areas of Clacamus County when you're doing your barber thing, have you found that there are certain areas that keep coming up in stories. I have found that myself with areas like Clacamus County and really Oregon in general. Yeah, I feel like up in that Tumula Mountain previously known as Squad Mountain up off of Oregon's Big Foot Highway, there's definitely a lot of activity up there, and I've definitely heard from there, and then that stretch over into Colton, it seems like there's just a really hot spot through that whole area there where all that activity, and I'd actually like to create a map like you've done and start kind of seeing where these connect to each other.

7:57 I would recommend you do that probably now instead out of three years in the future. Okay, like I did. You're almost on a thousand episodes. Yeah, because I the other day, I try to work on it every day. I'm like, I think, and I'm no, dude, You've got like six hundred episodes left to go through for this map. Oh man. But it's really worth it, because Sarah, this is what happened to me when I went out to Oregon this July. So I'm out down in Oakridge. I'm like, all right, I'm going up to Mount Hood and so I'm driving up and over the passes, and I'm going from Subtle Lake up to Estacada area, okay, and through Detroit and stuff, and I this is before the map, And I was like, I know there's stuff that's happened all over here, but I couldn't like remember all of it. I was like, oh, my goodness, this is why I need a map, because when I'm out here, there is so much stuff, and like, I need I need to remember. Okay, you need to check out places like fish Lake before you get to the pass. And next time I'll be more prepared and I'll be able to look up pretty much all the people I've talked to. Have you found that when you're talking to people, are they more of a certain age bracket?

9:16 Are these more younger people or older people or is it really all over the place. I feel like most of them, I'd say about seventy percent or older people. I've got a lot of older hunters that, you know, they don't have the internet. They come out of the woods every six months for a haircut kind of thing, and some of them I've cut their hair multiple times before even asking them about it, and very seriously, you know, they'll tell me, hey, I have seen something back in the sixties or seventies up until recently. And then there's a few younger people like the guy with the hunting with the deer and that he was i'd say younger, probably in his thirties, a couple of thirty year olds, and I've even had some pretty young kids actually tell me that they've seen things at night at like one in the morning, like three tall, black, shadowy figures. And then I had another man tell me the same story in that same area.

10:11 Yeah, I think I remember because your channel at the beginning, I had the was it teenagers that were around the the the was it like woodyard or pretty much? I think it was like right outside of Esticada and they had a sight. Yes. Yeah, it's an old abandoned lumber mill that I believe was taken down. It actually feels pretty haunted out there. I don't know if I'm allowed to say, like certain TV show names, but it kind of reminds me of a you can do whatever you want stranger things. Have you seen stranger things at all? Totally? It feels like that. Really. It feels the energy out especially we'll just focus on like Esticada. I've gone out there a few times. It's it's very intense out there, Like he just feels like you're in this all of a sudden, this energy bubble when you go out there. So yeah, it kind of feels like stranger things.

11:04 I will agree with you on that. I did go out in that area this slash July, and it's one of those areas in Oregon you get out in the woods and things can things can change really quick. Yeah. Yeah, it's you know the whole like it gets quiet and things of that that nature. And and hopefully someday there'll be there'll be more info that comes out about that trip, but not quite yet, but uh yeah. And I've been going out there since I was like a really small child. My mom took us to the mount Hood Forest and I mean since we were like little babies. And I still remember this one time we went up to the Carver Park and she found this actual like wolf dog and took it home. Oh wow, she ended up having to rehome this dog because it was just so wild. But as decade has always had like a wild side to it, and I've been associated with it since just even a small child. So as far as even bringing wolf dogs home.

12:10 Over the years, and especially you did mention that you you actually live out in the forest. Really yes, in. Your Creek Melino area. Have you had anything the ordinary happened to yourself out there in that area. So I've been trying to pay more attention. I actually looked up to see if there's any sightings in my area, and I did find one from Cliff Berkson on his website from Beaver Creek organ and it said it was off Beaver Creek Road and Upper Highland. And so I know where that area is. I know it's in you know, distance where if there was a big foot it could get over to my area. And so I started looking around and I found a couple questionable possible footprints and took some castings of those. I've seen some weird kind of like limbs that were placed up against a tree.

12:57 And when I asked all my family, they all said none of them did that. And you know, I've been trying to tell them, hey, you know that it could be bigfoot and try to educate them on it, and now they're all kind of going, huh, maybe they are out here. Oh absolutely, And I mean I just I cannot imagine being someone that lives in that area, and just the opportunity to be able to just just go out in these areas, the areas I was going out to and Esticada. I mean, you'd be on top of this ridge and you would see all these branches and trees just like twist broken, like eight to ten feet off. And I don't know if that's something that you see down in your area, but it is just it's breath taking the first time you actually see that in person. It is wild stuff.

13:49 Yeah. I saw one actually a couple of days ago for the first time. I was driving and they were doing tree trimming along the very end of Upper Highland and one caught my eye. Go, oh my god, look like, you know, a tree about this big and it had been twisted off to the side. And so when I came back that way later in the day, I actually tried to get video of it, but I had a truck behind me, so I had to be kind of quick about it. Sort of a sketchy spot to stop and you know, private property. But yeah, it didn't look right. I've never seen a tree twisted like that. And then I noticed behind it like a creek waterway, and when I looked at old street view. It was actually all forced, but it has now been turned into like a scaled down tree farm for like Christmas trees. So if you go further up into Colton, one guy was telling me that his mom and aunt I think it was about thirty years ago, had seen a giant bigfoot run across the way from on a few miles up from there.

14:46 Oh my goodness. And this is actually you have. This is in a video. Everything you just shared it. Sometimes you'll put out videos where you're like just driving along the road, which is cool in itself because then you get to see what it's like to drive out in Oregon. Yeah, you actually show I think video or pictures of that tree that you found, right I did? Yeah? Yeah, I'm always driving with dash can because I'm hoping i'll catch one run out in front of me, my luck around behind me and my back dash can isn't set up yet. Right, that'd be cool. Though. Something I've noticed that you started to do, which I think is cool and I want to start trying to implement this myself, is you've actually started to get people to come on camera to share their encounters. And some of those just seem like there are people maybe out walking on the side of the road in town, maybe not especially in a barber chair, but I can can you share, like, how how does that process work? How are you able to get those people on a camera? Because it's one thing to get audio of someone, but to get someone actually put their face out there, that's another thing. Entirely.

16:04 Yeah, I feel like, I don't know. I've always been tel marketing and sales, and my philosophy has always been it doesn't hurt to ask them if they want dessert, you know, So if you don't ask, you know, the least I can say is no. I definitely get a lot of no's. So you know, there's a lot of people that don't even want to be on the podcasts, but they still want to tell me their story. And I think it ties back into another thought I've had is that I've seen kind of a split where some people have a lot of excitement with their story and the other half kind of exhibit this sort of PTSD, And I feel like the ones that do want to go on camera, I sort of lean into the fact I'm feeling more of that excitement from them, and even I've kind of dropped the subject with them and they'll come back later and like really bring it up. So I'm just trying to not be too pushy with people and let them, you know, lead their story if they want to.

16:58 Have you ever experienced where you are talking to someone about their encounter and their emotional states starts changing rapidly? Have you ever experienced that yourself? Yeah? I was actually doing my friend Gail's hair yesterday, were doing a hair color on her, and she told me a story before, non Bigfoot related, but it was sort of a ghost story about how she saw someone that looked like I think Charles Manson back at her Nebraska house. Anyways, I was doing her hair again yesterday and she goes, you know, the more we've been talking about it, the more I had this repressed memory that's been coming back. And I was about five years old and I was in Nebraska and I went off and it was really humid out, the forest was really quiet, and I saw this branch just swinging like someone had taken it and swung it. And she goes, I kept trying to want to tell you about this, but my mind kept saying, no, that didn't happen. But she goes, no, it happened. I remember it, and it was like something didn't want me there. Just got so quiet, and I went back to my family as quick as I could, and I thought about that, and I was thinking about my own memories, like I told you as a child, Like, you know, did I see some weird booking people when I was camping with my family? You know, you start thinking about these memories and it's almost like a therapy session where it starts reopening these locked memories that people have.

18:24 No it really is. Interviewing the person is almost as interesting as the subject matter itself. Sometimes it is. That's how I feel. Anyways, the encounters that you are taking and there primarily i'd say a lot of them are from the Clackamus County area. Have you found any patterns as to like, are there a lot of aggressive ones or there a lot where you know, the bigfoot really isn't bothered and kind of just walks off and like a see you later, or any patterns like that. I'd say more of them are aggressive, actually, which has me kind of feeling like I don't know if I want to go out there and physically look for them.

19:09 I'm still on the fence about that. I'm kind of enjoying being more on the research side. One story up in Tumula Mountain was two men went up there years ago. They found a bear that had been like ripped in half and its head ripped off and it was still freshly bleeding. He knows. My friend was, you know, six foot tall, and he's jumping over logs and running out of there. They just felt something watching them, and I'm like, okay. And then I heard another story i think on your podcast about a hunter found under a tree that had been ripped apart, also by some unknown animal. Yeah, and so I'm kind of seeing this pattern with like a ripping apart type of thing. So that's where the data starts to collect and go because you know, I've told other people the story and they believe it or they go, oh, there's nowhere you know it had to have been another bear or this or that. Well right now, you know there's missing people up in that area right now that they have search parties out there for. And so when you get these kind of things going on, it kind of starts to hold water.

20:10 No, absolutely, and that's actually a patterns come up on the podcast too, And you're absolutely right, because man to tag onto that. So your account that you have of the bear being torn apart, and then I believe the one that you reference to on my show that's down in the Talladega National Forest in Alabama. But then you also have accounts where people are finding grizzly bears out in Montana with their necks broken, and the kind of common thing there is that those things take something with hands to do, right, I mean, to tear something apart, or to break something neck or you have a lot of reports of animals found twisted, like foxes being twisted, things like that. I agree with you. I don't think that I would ever I'll go on record, I will not ever go especially in that area out in the woods by myself. I don't think that is a smart idea at all, multiple multiple reasons, not just Bigfoot, but there's also some pretty wild encounters you can have with humans out there as well. Yeah, I've heard some really horror stories about that.

21:36 I've heard that too, kind of up that Tumul Mountain, someone said something about and this story, of course I should have written it down, but it was something about there was some kind of cult up there that either they or somebody else and you kind of stumbled upon and there were some kind of weird animal sacrifice stuff going on up there, and so anyways, Yeah, they've had a history up in the woods and mount Hood of some really odd activity even still to this day, still stuff going on, just kind of different camps going on in Bonfire's night and this sketchy kind of energy up there. Sometimes have you ever experienced people that have also seen things besides Bigfoot, but in the same area, maybe things of high strangeness, orbs or lights or things that are hard for them to explain besides Bigfoot.

22:31 Yeah, it's buried in my notes a little bit, but I feel like there's at least two or three stories where there's orbs associated with Bigfoot sightings and Christmas tree areas and forest areas. I believe one story the guy was chasing the orb and trying to figure out where it was going. And I feel like the color seems to keep being blue orbs. It is the theme I have heard of orange orbs. One of my clients told me that he's seen one up and I want to say Washington area, and it was kind of floating and then it just sort of shot off in the sky. So that's another ORB story there, and I find those really fascinating. Oh, I as well. I mean, and it's a thing where I've never seen a bigfoot. But and it sounds like you are in the same camp. You have not had a visual yet you're set either. Yeah, but I've never seen an ORB either. Have you seen an ORB yet?

23:23 I haven't seen an ORB. But there was one night when I was living in Selwen, they were posting on Facebook saying, Hey, the Northern lights are gonna be out tonight, so you should go out and check them out. So I was upstairs and again this is around twenty twelve, and I was looking out the window to see if i'd see the Northern lights, and I saw these two really bright white lights that were kind of going like this, and then they stopped, and then they started going like this. I was like, what the heck's I ran downstairs and I went outside to kind of get a better look, and they were gone. So that's the only time I've ever seen anything that actually stopped midair so calculated and actually went in a different direction. I don't think it could have been a helicopter. I chalked it off as maybe government drones that were trying to look at the lights or something, but now I'm not sure.

24:09 Okay, that's really interesting. It's too far from the airport for it to be like an air traffic control light. Also, good call, Good call. Does anyone bring up anything any interactions with Bigfoot that would be labeled more paranormal or things like I heard a voice in my head or I saw one disappear. Does that ever come up? Or is it more like we saw something that looked like a really big ape out in the woods and have no idea what it is. Yeah, I feel like I've definitely got kind of a mix of stories. I feel like there was always there's been this split of people that believe in Bigfoot, and then people that don't believe in Bigfoot, and now the people that believe in Bigfoot. That community has split again into people that believe in Bigfoot and then people that believe in paranormal Bigfoot. And I sort of sit in the middle as an investigator, open to like all these different encounters because you know, like I was saying before, sometimes my brain says, Oh, that can't be real until I start hearing more data, and then I'm like, well, obviously they have to eat deer or something. So now that does make sense. So the paranormal to me, you know, my brain of processing it is, you know, maybe we just don't understand everything the way that we've been told.

25:25 So like energy, I've always been into, you know, personally, like my religion and all that. I grew up Catholic and Christian and all that, but I feel like I've kind of segued more into like a quantum physics type of person. You know. I wouldn't say personally, you know, I'm super like religious. I'm kind of more into like feeling like there's kind of like stranger things like when they were in that upside down world. I almost feel like there's this other energy world out there that we're tapped into, and I just don't know that, you know, we know as very much about it yet. So that's just kind of what my vibe is. Yeah, I know, Zachly what you're talking about. Have you been able to I would really recommend reading Doctor Simeon's Doctor Simeon Hines book if you get a chance to. Uh, it really lays out a lot of cool stuff and or or the two part interview that he does on Flash of Beauty. I enjoyed that. I mean that. I also yeah, you could listen to him on Big for Society too, But the two part interview on Flash of Beauty is is phenomenal, phenomenal. I would recommend it. You had a So you sent me an email a while back, Yes, and I want to if you could. So it's some pictures that you sent and they're really really interesting, and

26:57 can you share the story of of how you got these these pictures first and what you know about the background of them. Yeah, so they're actually from somebody who had been on my podcast. He has two different stories here and then I'll look at this story here real quick. So he is the story on here that's called let's see it's the Bigfoot nineteen ninety six s Stickata Sidi. So he had a citing himself in nineteen ninety six, and then his friend's son had an eagle cap wilderness siting that's pretty interesting where he had a visual where it came out on a road on them. So that's a great story to check out. So I followed up with him later.

27:46 He actually told me he goes, hey, look at this, and I go what is that? And He's kind of looking through his phone at first, like he's so excited to show this to me. And so he finally shows it to me, and I didn't know what. I was like. I go, I go, what is that? He goes, it's a bigfoot and I looked at it like, no, it's not. And I looked at it, oh my, and uh, not this picture, but the other one. I actually when I clicked on the other one, I could see a face on it, like right away, and I go, how'd you get this? And he goes, well, it was our friend's friend that's a wild Lend fire fighter that had sent it to us in our forum. And I go, it's okay if I share this. He goes, yeah, absolutely, go out go at it, and he goes, yeah, he was out there working an he's seen a bigfo out there just sifting through ashes. And at first my brain was like, why would it be sift sifting through ashes? You know?

28:32 So I started researching why something would you know, have put ashes on itself, and it said sometimes if you have burn injuries, it could be healing for heat protection. There was a few different examples that came up. But then if you look at the other picture and go to the top left of it and kind of zoom in. It almost looks like there's another one up there watching, So it's really other. Yeah, it's the other picture, I think, the one where it's like one. Yeah, that not the Darth Vader one. I call the other one the Darth Vavor one. Yeah, oh right here there. Yeah, because if you look, it's like a different color of black compared to the tree total. So I noticed that. So something I've been trying to do too is really so. I also went to school for technology and cybersecurity, and I feel like I just kind of have a knack for the tech stuff.

29:26 And uh, I've been using AI and Photoshop and all this stuff to kind of really enhance and bring these photos to life. So the third photo where you kind of see more of a picture, I went in and cleaned it up the best I could, and uh, you could also see almost like a very wide looking nose, like two eyes, pigment of like skin that's lighter than the hairline. And I was actually able to use an AI to actually bring that to life. And I didn't even say anything to AI like this is a sad squash or this is you know, AI just did. I just put it in there and it interpreted it, which is really fascinating. Wow, yeah that is I think that's on your channel too, right, yeah, okay.

30:09 And the other thing about this picture is I accidentally clicked on the picture and it was like redo location or something like that, and then I actually found data on the picture that said it was from twenty sixteen and I think subliminity organ and I found the location and when I did a Google Earth location of that, it was all burnt down. So it really just like lined up too that it was an picture from that time. And there was also a wildfire story on the news from that area too at that time. Which is huge. And it's because that's something I was going to bring up because I was looking through them as well, and I was like, oh, yeah, the metadata is all here on these two pictures, which is incredible.

30:53 It's actually still in the format that it would be if it was taken on I believe h E. I see is more like the Apple one iPhones, and those two original photos are in there. The cool thing is that so you got the GPS coordinates and so I looked it up as well, and the area that it comes up is just east of the John Day area, which I mean fits because i've personally, I've had three reports from that area, and usually it's people that are freaked out big time by something and end up running away, or they get like an infrasound activity, and it's just some really really weird stuff that happens in the John Day area. But so you're saying that this this actual the guy, you were able to interview the guy about what was happening when he took this photo, or is just the same guy, different story.

32:03 So it's so it's a guy that's been on my podcasts like friend, Oh it's his friend or his friend's friends. So it's almost like a hearsay photo that I got from them. But these are all hunter guys that have been hunting throughout Oregon forever. And you know, I'm really good at reading like body language and stuff. He seemed really like legit about it and really excited. And I mean, I know photoshop, and there's no way in AI and all that that that could have been an AI or Photoshop picture, especially two really good ones like that, and especially with the metadata coming from twenty sixteen. Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's nothing. I see so many photos that come into my email, there's nothing that jumps out that is saying, oh, these are obvious fakes. And I mean it's just cool. Like the one where it feels like it's kind of you know, bent over, probably getting ashes or something. I mean, the head shape is right, it looks like there's not really a neck to it, the what you would say like it just it feels like it's kind of leaning forward, although it's probably trying to get the ashes. And man, it is just there's some of the coolest photos that I've ever seen. So people really need to check out the AI movement that you were able to make it too over on your channel.

33:33 It's pretty cool stuff. Yeah, thank you. I feel like that one was a pretty good shot there actually, And then I did some other AI where I brought Patty to life, and with that one, I also didn't say anything about it being like, you know, a bigfoot or anything. I just put it in there, and then what AI did with it was pretty amazing. And then when I created the video, as I've got further in, I said, you know, give Patty a baby, or make Patty like fight the cougar. But the few clips. They're about like five seconds each. That was all AI's interpretation of like what it was in the picture. So you just submit it into grock and then it like just turns it into something, but it interprets. So that was kind of fascinating. And I've been doing it for other shots for other people and sending it to him, like trail camshots. And then Hugh. I think you've had Hugh on your show before up in Washington.

34:23 He's got a lot. Yeah. Yeah, So I've cleaned up two things for him, and uh, I don't want to post it yet because I need to chat with him first, but I've cleaned up a couple photos for him and he's pretty excited about what I did there and actually turn him into video too, So I don't know if you remember the one where he's standing there and he's it's kind of shaking a little bit. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of, as it's got to be the video where he's on top of the mountain and it's shaky. Right. There's two. There's the on top of the mountain one and there's one where he's scoping from like a cross and there's like kind of like logs and it looks like something, and I immediately it's like I see face on that. So I cleaned it up, cleaned it up, cleaned it up, and it almost looks to me almost like a longer face Bigfoot, with like more of a cinnamon color hair. And my theory too is like, maybe have some that have rounder faces like Brad Pitt, longer faces like Nicholas Cage. Maybe some are getting mistaken as dog Man. I don't know, but I'm open to kind of understanding these different face shapes with them.

35:24 Nifoot would be cool, Yeah, I think so that'd be pretty soft, that'd be rocking a lot of emotion. Yes, maybe not. Do you ever get stuff from it? Does it all seem to be pretty much from from Klacamus? Or do you ever get stuff from like Detroit in a little further south. Blue Mountains? Okay, yep? And uh yeah. So that was one older hunter, I want to say, in his eighties. He said he's seen one over there back it was either the nineteen sixties or nineteen seventies, And I asked them, well, you know, what did it look like? He goes, oh, well, it was just they're huge and they're multi colored gray like a wolf. And he said, my son in law didn't believe me that I was seeing him down there. But since I'm older now, my daughter told me that he has to go hunting with me. So we went somewhat recently, I think, he said, and they were in their RV and the son in law believes him now because one came up and was shaking rv and messing with them.

36:29 And I just went over to the Bigfoot Research Center and they have a cool map and there with all the pins on there, and Blue Mountains were a really hot spot. So yeah, absolutely, the Blue Mountains are extremely active area, one hundred percent. When you're taking encounters, does stuff come up where it's not Bigfoot? But maybe, well, I say, do you ever get any things like dog Man from the same area. I feel like there is one dog man report. I'm trying to remember which story that was, but there was another one where it was actually the first interview I did, and I was just sort of kind of joking around like maybe I'll do a Bigfoot podcast. And I had kind of a younger kid that day, and I said, hey, you know, do you want to do you have any Bigfoot stories? And he's like, actually, and I thought this kid was like making it up at first. This story gets kind of wild. He goes, actually, my uncle saw one on his trail cam. It was a baby bigfoot, you know. And I was like, but really, you know.

37:32 He goes yeah. So he's actually my first interview on there. Really cool, really cool kid and everything. And so later, I don't know, it was a couple months later. I was cutting this guy's hair and I was talking about bigfoot and he goes, yeah, I actually caught one on my trail cam. And I'm like, wait a minute, is this your nephew, and he goes yeah, and I go no way. So he's looking and looking looking through his phone and he showed it to me, and I seen it and I begged him for that picture and he's like, yeah, i'll give it to you. Never got the picture, but I saw it, and the best way I can describe it is it kind of looked like a little very black mickey mouse running through like a woodpile. And he said he took it up to the North American Bigfoot Center and two out of three people there said, yeah, you caught a baby bigfoot. And when you look up like a baby gorilla. The shape and the darkness of a baby gorilla was like really spot on, And I asked him if he had had any other pictures and he said, yeah, he caught kind of I forget how he described it, but it was sort of like a dog man something something crawling on fos type of deal.

38:34 So yeah, I was just talking to my brother about that last night because he's a big bigfoot believer, but he's he hadn't even heard of dog man before. There's a lot of people who have not heard of dog Man. So I'm really starting to kind of see if I can collect anything in that area. Mm hmm. Right, it's a wild thing. You know. That stuff does come up on the show here too. If if it's like I never go towards it by itself, but like if the person's like, oh yeah, I saw a dog man two, like okay, let's talk about it, you know, and if it comes up organically. But I mean I was talking to one dude and about the Detroit area, and it's not just like a ton of bigfoot they have there. There's also a lot of dog man sightings as well in Detroit. Yeah, kind of north of Detroit out on one of the roads, not the not the Oregon Big Highway road that goes to the east, but like just a random for service road that's north of Detroit, and man, when I drove by, drove through that area, that area is nuts. It's just it's there's a very intense presence. It's hard to explain when you drive through Detroit, and I'll tell you what, people really don't want to talk about bigfoot there. Like I tried talking to some locals. They were not having it. They were like, nope, really, oh yeah, it was it was

40:05 really intense. Uh yeah. Most places I would talk to people out there try to they'd be like, oh yeah, totally, let's let's talk about that was like the one place where they were just not on board. So that makes me realize that any interviews I get from the Detroit area are it's pretty it's a pretty lucky deal. Well for sure. Yeah, I've been over there. I'm trying to think about Opal Creek and hiked up in there, and it definitely feels pretty wild up there. And I've experienced that with people too that were all of a sudden, it's just there's like a shift and energy when you kind of bring it up and they're like, oh, no, we don't know. It's it's like you're you know, you're asking them like, hey, how was that when you went to war? And they just get all of a sudden shut down, and you know, you just see it. And I see a difference between that and between like the ones that just don't believe it, or you know, I want to respect people's religious beliefs.

41:03 There's some people have told me they just don't even want to entertain it because they like to go out hunting in the woods and they don't want it to be ruined for them. That's someone Guy's exact words for me, and I said, that was interesting. So I've kind of learned how to navigate around different characters and kind of what they're comfortable with. But I've definitely felt that, you know that stranger things vibe again in some towns where you know that that's kind of gone on. Like there's this old barber and esticata called Millie Kiggins. I don't know if you've ever heard her. Oh yeah, yeah, this is in the it's actually in the Oregon Big for Highway book by Joe Beelart. There's a big section about this this person. Yeah.

41:45 Yeah, so Ray Fender, he was talking to me about her, the one that saw the Bigfoot in Esticado when he was a young child. I think that was one of your favorite stories. I talked to him first, and he was telling me about Millie Kiggins. And when I was reading it in the work in Bigfoot Highway, it was saying that they had to kind of like shut people out of that town because she brought so much activity there with it. And then she started to get people saying we're going to kill this thing this and that. She's like, no, no, no, you're turning, you know. And it's just like one of these movies that you watch where she finds this cool thing and then people have to ruin it and oh kill it, you know. And I've actually had people say the same thing to me. I've had, you know, hunters go if I see one, I'll take it out and I and I kind of get you know, defensive with them and say it looks like a person. Though the every encounter that people had, every single one I've heard, is said it has a face a person. You really think you could like do that to a person, Well, you know, I go, no, you don't want to do that. And I also they're protected by the government. You know. I've had hunters tell me that they go low key. If you do something to them, they're gonna, yeah, they're going to show up your house. So don't do that. I'm warning you. If you do see one, you better, you know, to prove that it was defense.

42:58 So leave them alone. Yeah, yeah, I mean there are some areas in the US where it is like written down, like if you do this, like Skiminia County, Washington is one, right, like it's it's a fine, and I think I think worse than a fine. Actually, yeah, man, if I had a nickel for that, the people that I've had to convince not to do that too, I'd have a few nickels for sure. It's just the thing where well that what you said. And then also on top of it, it's like, you try to do this, you're probably not walking away. I mean, the chances of you walking away from this are so so slim. So it's just not a good idea around around it all. Just don't do it, you know, for for the creature, for yourself, you know, just walk away.

43:52 Well yeah, and it kind of goes back to the people that are missing, you know, up in the Malala Forest, there's one hundred missing right now in ast Takaida. They've had the best SAAR search and rest teams in Oregon looking for this guy right now, and supposedly last week he caught a deer and I think it was on his Gamma like satellite radio. According to his Facebook posts I saw he said, Hey, I got the deer. I'm coming home early. And then there's so much hearsay with this story, so I'm trying to keep it to the most facts that I've seen. They thought they heard three soos shots at night, so they've been out there every day with thermal drones, drones ATBs. That rock is really unstable. It looks like they're rock climbing with cables just to get down. In their search. Theyve had the National Guard helicopters and they're looking for this guy. There is no trace of him or the deer at all. It's just he's gone. And I'm not saying it's Bigfoot or anything, but it is an area. I have had multiple sidings up there, and I do have the other report of Bigfoot trying to take a deer from another guy. So I wouldn't rule it out. That and a week before that, I had another hunter tell me he went up there at six am and had a giant mountain lion just jump down on the cliff down. So there is a note up in Esticada saying watch out, there's a big cat up here. But I don't. I don't know. I think a cat if you know, So, I don't know.

45:08 I hope they find the guy, hopefully he's alive. But I'm just saying there's there's mysterious stuff going on. There's another guy, it was up in Colton that's been missing. I'm trying to remember his name, but he's yeah, up in the Colton Malaala forest. He was up there looking for deer sheds and they still haven't found him, experienced woodsman, and they just found his truck up there. And that was a couple of years ago. And I found out about that because one of the local people told me, Yeah, like I was gonna call missing for one one and get a hold of David Politis, but uh, I don't. I don't think the guy's sister ended up doing that, but still never found that person.

45:50 Yeah, the first one you mentioned, well, you you sent it actually to me pretty pretty quick after it it was out there, and then I've been, I've been and keeping tabs on it because yeah, as you said, I mean, it's an area where we both get a lot of reports from and I think I even read I've read a few interesting things. I read that it's at the point where they're not able to continual or do a continual active search. I believe like they you know, eventually gets to the point where they have to pull back a little bit. Yeah, which is really sad. I hope they find a guy. There's so many cases like that that happen, but when you hear them happen in certain areas of places like Oregon or Washington, it really does make you think like, okay, what is the story here?

46:43 Well, yeah, and then it's tricky with trying to give support, like saying, hey, this is evidence that I have of the area. It might help you in your investigation, and not be laughed at. Because there is some comments where I put out there to kind of help support it, and of course, you know, people weren't taking it, so I removed them. But there was one group that I'm part of. It's kind of like a police group on Facebook and they don't put up with any kind of you know, online bullying there. So I left my comment up there just saying, hey, I do have a podcast. I just let you guys know that there is activity up there, just to give them a heads up, just to keep that in mind at least. And I've noticed a lot of other people on this specific thing going on right now this week have been commenting the same thing, saying Bigfoot took him, sasquatch took him. And I want to be really respectful and thoughtful to the family, but I also, you know, want to support any evidence that I have collected in the area too and just say just you guys know there are those up there too, but we're kind of on the fence of everyone, you know, not really being aware that they're even they exist. And this kind of falls back into these conversations I have with people daily, and they kind of asked me these same questions again, like why don't we have pictures, why don't we have this, why don't we have that? And when I start answering all these questions, they kind of stop and go wow, because they realize I've done my research and I haven't answered to a lot of those, you know, really basic questions that everyone usually asks.

48:06 There's other things I've heard about other recent missing person cases in the Pacific Northwest where Yeah, there are certain search and rescue individuals that I think they know that, yeah, there's big foot activity in these areas, and it's just it's just interesting. It's hard to talk to those people because usually they don't want to come on record. It's totally understandable, but yeah. And I mean there's definitely that going on right now where they had the first five days where it was only the Clackamas County Sheriffs and then the Search and Rescue and they're and then the National Guard, and it was I was reading the locals comments on the Skido Locals page and they were talking about how it was very hush hush and they weren't being giving very much information and all the local hunters wanted to go in there and help, and none of them are allowed to go in and a lot of people were really upset about it. Then a lot of people are saying, well, it's because they don't want them to have another person they have to go look for, and all this, you know, like the generary things you would tell the public. But then, of course I'm kind of wondering, you know, are they possibly sitting on any other information like what you're saying that that would be another reason why they wouldn't let people in there, like they want to go look first.

49:20 I don't know. Yeah, absolutely, I mean to me, it comes down to three options. It's either, as you said, we don't want to go looking for another person, or two, you're going to mess up evidence out there if we have more people, or three we're also trying to do information damage control at the same time that we are trying to look for someone, which you know, I think those are That's three options for sure, But yeah, yeah, who knows what what we'll find out eventually in the future. I think it all it takes is one person to share the right thing, or to share like the game cam photo that you saw of the baby Bigfoot, which is incredible. Yeah, my goodness, I can't imagine seeing that. But I have a few a few areas I'm just curious if you've heard anything about them, And one is have you heard anything about the Hillock Burn Road area or Goat Mountain?

50:25 Yes, definitely, Yeah, those those come up a lot there's actually a lot of story. Sometimes when I'm super busy working, sometimes I'll do, you know, twelve to fifteen haircuts a day. I don't have time to sit down and write down notes for everything. And there was a while there already got them, but I know that those ones came up, not just the people that I got my interviews and notes, but there is even more outside of that where some people said, oh yeah, back, I think twenty thirty years ago, I found giant prints. I went up into Goat Mountain. The guy told me, and we came down and he found some fresh, really giant prints up on Goat Mountain. There's been talk of military sites up on Goat Mountain, secret military sites, stuff going on up there. Oh yeah, all the locals skid area, they talk about it, some get laughed about it. But a lot of the old school people have kind of told me some stuff about that area. So yeah, yeah, there's some black vanned activity up there type stuff. Supposedly, this is what I heard.

51:31 I haven't allegedly, so yeah. I mean, even where I'm sitting right now, I can actually see a couple towers, and I don't think it's the Goat Mountain but I can see, you know, so you know, sometimes I'll even kind of look out there and go to see any helicopters and stuff. But yeah, I mean, if you just don't know, you don't know. But once people start telling you kind of go oh in no way. But there's been kind of a rich history. And then Hillockburn. Yeah, I feel like people still go hunting up there to this day. A few of my friends go up there and go hunting. And I think that nineteen ninety sixth story might have been up there. They were up there at night and then they seen I think it was either hill Burn or Wildcat Road. Wild Cat Road's another really popular one which I think goes down into Eagle Creek area, which had a lot of activity too, and they seen one kind of run across the road when they were out there partying at night, some dark figure.

52:25 So yeah, I feel like and then Colton. Once you go past that, you have Colton. There was one story of a man telling me he grew up in Colton and he used to visit this older man's house as a child, and the older man was telling him that he was actually feeding the bigfoots over there. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so and that story that was kind of a hard story for me to get. He didn't want to do a podcast or anything, but it was that was one of the ones where it was he was kind of shut down, but he kind of wanted to tell me. But he kind of shut down, but you know, and then he did want to talk about it, and I mean, that's huge, you know, so. It's a big deal. Yeah. I mean half the stuff that I hear does not get recorded and does not get put out in places like the podcast one hundred percent, which I'm okay with say it is. We both know how hard it is to get someone to actually go on record.

53:25 I think the biggest PTSD situation that it was pretty intense. I had one guy I do my podcast and his story's still up there. It's someone with the metallic box. Oh yeah, and yeah, he had a hard time with it afterwards and came and found me and just kind of said, hey, I think you know they're after me. My phone shut down, my bank cards are shut down a dad, and you know, me being the tech person, I said, here, let me see because you know, of course, I'm like, I don't know if this is really hot. And he shows me his phone it's like locked out, and he got a hold of me later and said he thinks he might have just done multiple attempts. And I go, and I was trying to reason with him. I go, well, what how come my phone's not, you know, shut down? How come my bank cards aren't shut down?

54:06 But I could just tell whether it was happening to him or not. You know, I don't want to tellim. I didn't believe him. I'm just trying to be a supportive person. But I realized how much PTSD because his story was really intense because it was up on Larch Mountain and he went up there and he's seen this giant bigfoot holding this giant metallic box. And he said, these two people came out, walked out behind the big foot and it was just him and his friend up there, and there was no cars parked in the parking lot on the only back road was like seven miles in another direction, so they would have had to come that way. He said they were just dressed in like hiker like, you know, Columbia sports wear, like light jackets. And he said something to him about it, and the story is more detailed on there. But did you see that figure and they go, oh, yeah, it was a lady in a fur coat, and they kind of leaned in and kind of gave him this impression that they were going to throw him off the cliff. And this guy, I mean, his intensity with the story, it was very traumatic for him and he was really worried about it. And I'm not sure what was going on with this metallic box or these people that were trying to convince the guy that it was actually just a lady in a her coat, but that one is pretty interesting. And anyways, Yeah, he got a hold of me later and about the phone and everything, and he said he got it working. But I just tried to calm him down and I told him, you know, it's okay. I know, I understand there's a lot of people coming out now. There's so many people coming out now that you'll be okay and you'll be safe.

55:29 You know a lot of us have been worried about, you know, asking questions or coming forward, but I think there's just too many of us now that at this point it kind of is what it is, so you'll be fine. And he was okay with it, Yeah, one hundred percent. It's at the point where the analogy I use a lot is like you keep putting stuff in the bathtub, Eventually it's going to overflow and you can't control it. And yeah, think we are like the UFO community's definitely there. We are like pretty much there with all the different shows and in podcasts, and then as long as people can just keep on putting out. I think it's so important to get the actual person recorded and telling their own story. Which that's why I really like your channel is because you do that. It's what I try to do with mine as well. It is so important to get that person actually recorded. So Larch was actually that was the next place I was going to ask you about, because Large and bull Run Mountain or no, bull Run Well Watershed which is is close to Large Mountain has some interesting stuff that's that's come up on the show.

56:40 Has bull Run come up on yours? I think, yeah, bull Run in Sandy. I had one guy he said he was going to reach out to me and he just kind of ghosted me, but he said he goes over to his friend's house somewhere in that kind of bull Rout and Sandy. He actually showed me the exact location on Google Maps. But he said they hear him out there every night pretty much. And then really close to that is a camp. I don't want to say what camp because it involves younger people. But they were out there and this younger girl, my client's daughter, was telling me that they were out there and they saw these really tall kind of red eyes above this sign at a camp out in near Sandy, and then in the morning they found like a giant like footprint, and she just didn't even really care too much about the story. That's something I thought was interesting.

57:28 She wasn't really even excited. It was just kind of like, yeah, we saw something that last night, red eyes and big footprint. So it's just a it seems like in places like like this part of Clackamas County, Oregon, in southeast Oklahoma, it's like people there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, we just we deal with it. Yeah, there's one other area. I don't even have it on my map yet. Have you ever gotten anything from you know, like you're taking twenty six out to Mount Hood and you start going through places like Mount Hood Village in Zigzag and stuff.

58:10 Towards Mount Hood Zigzag. Yeah. Yeah, but like out in the woods off the road. Have you ever gotten anything out like rhododendron stuff like that government camp. I don't know. I don't know that I have anything out there quite yet. I feel like there is what Indian Henry and then Timothy Lake. There's stuff up there. There's one guy. Yeah, one guy was saying, is Grandma saw one at Timothy Lake eating cuckleberries. So that's kind of looking at the map here, So that's kind of in that direction towards yeah, towards rhododendron, kind of. Up there zigzag and I think it's Lolo pass Road. Yeah.

58:54 East Lolo Pass Road has one of the weirdest stories I've taken on the podcast. It's the one where the guy is uh is camping out there with his buddy, and long story short, they get down by this creek and pretty much they see a big foot that turns into a billowing cloud, billowing black cloud, and then it like goes across the creek. It's really weird. I think I heard that story. Yeah, I've heard that happen something similar to that out in West Virginia too, So I don't know if that's another thing where they can like shape shift in the in the dark clouds. Who knows, But.

59:37 Is that the one where he said it was like a panther or something like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah that was up in the zigzag for it. That's right, mm hmm yeah, So definitely if you ever hear anything out in that area, let me know. But my goodness, Sarah, this has been a really fun conversation, and thank you for spending some of your time chatting about Bigfoot and what you have been privileged enough to have people talk to you about, because it is very cool what you do out there, and you're just you're really a ground zero and I'm so glad that someone with the right heart is out there to be able to document what people are doing in a respectful way, which is what I also try to do on the show.

1:00:26 But how can people reach out? Is there a way they can reach out to you or how should they keep up to date with the channel and if you'd be able to share about that for a minute. Yeah, So on YouTube you can find my YouTube channel's Bigfoot Fades with a z fad ea Z which is after you know, barbering doing haircut fades. So Bigfoot Fads at gmail dot com and I'm really interested in helping people bring their photos to life and help clean them up. And of course I don't charge any thing like that. I'm just trying to help people out. So that's kind of been my support to the community. Anything I can do there, So if anybody has anything they want help with, I can always try. I've also been doing animations and stuff for people just for fun. It's another great way too, So if somebody wants to tell her story but they don't really want to go on a podcast, instead of me retelling it, I can create an animation to retell it, which is kind of a fun way to show it.

1:01:26 So I've been using Sora too for that also. Oh sure, yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, I was gonna tell you too. I did have was it Henry Friendzoni that passed. Away, Henry Franzoni passed away last year. Yeah, yeah, I did have one guy that told me he worked in the I think it was the Trojan Plant. Oh yeah, yeah, for a long time. So I got to ask him some questions like follow up on that one, and I was just kind of I think Henry said that they were were they living down in it he thought, or in the. Area he was looking into supposed tunnels under the near area and Trojan nuclear he thought that they were down in the tunnels. Yeah.

1:02:11 Yeah, this guy did tell me there's tunnels there. He'd been down in them, so I asked him if he had seen any evidence of them or anything, and he hadn't seen anything, but he did say there were some pretty vast tunnels under there. For sure, So that's really cool mm hmm. Yeah, And he said that it was very secure too, that they had. They would have people come out from the government to test the security of it. And it was some kind of weird story where one guy he was like secured enough he could like jump through this fence or something. It was a weird story. Yeah, So there was some interesting stuff with that that area over there, for sure. And then timber oregan. That was another story I had to where a guy had heard vocals where it sounded like they were speaking in Russian and when he went out there, he said that he just heard them and it sounded like they were building something with like giant logs, and they were talking to each other and he just felt instantly sick, like a pain in his back or stomach, like potentially like an infrasound like Taipa took over him. So that was another And that's pretty close to that kind of Trojan area, so kind of rainier Timber Oregon.

1:03:27 Interesting. Well, Sarah, you know I always have an eye out for a new episode from from your show. Look at that Siri just activated, said Sarah, not Siri, dude, the phone being weird. But but thank you so much for coming on the show, and it'll be fun to see what you get into in the future. I hope that you're able to continue documenting bigfoot interactions out there in the Pacific Northwest, and we'll have to maybe check in with you sometime in the future. But thank you so much for coming on the show today. All right, thank you, Deremijah.

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