Five Sightings in Two Weeks: The Bigfoot That Wouldn’t Leave

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's story isn't about a hiker or a hunter. It's about a thirteen year old girl on a quiet Alabama farm who looked out her bedroom window one November night and locked eyes with something that wasn't supposed to exist. For two weeks in nineteen seventy two, Sandra saw it again and again in the chicken house by the pond, and once just six inches away, separated only by a thin pane of glass, and it didn't run or growl, It just watched. This is a first hand account of terror, family, silence, and a farm that became a buffet for something wild, and decades later, it's still happening. This is the story of Sandra from North Alabama. To stay with us. I big the Society. We get the privilege of talking to Sandra today. Sandra's an individual that I've reached out to through Facebook and she did agree to coming on the show to share what she's experienced down there first, starting in North Alabama over the years. Sandra, it's great to have you on the show today. How's it going.

1:04 It's great to be here. Everything's going great, can't. Complain awesome, awesome. Yeah, I know there's a lot to go over, a lot of things to share, So I'm going to go ahead and make sure that you have all the time that you need, and we'll maybe be talking along the way as you're sharing. But feel free to take things from here, Sandra and bring us back to when this all started happening for you. Okay. Well, the first starting that I had was in November, the second week of November of nineteen seventy two. I had just turned thirteen years old, and we lived on one hundred and eighty acre farm in North Alabama. North some people say north Central, but it's really more North Alabama.

1:50 We're about an hour and fifteen minutes from the Tennessee line. I can give you a little brief description of the farm. We had chickens, chicken houses, cattle. I can't guess the number of head, about one hundred goats, five fish ponds stopped with catfish, bass, and brim. We just had a plethora of food. We had a huge, probably over an acre of garden every year. Plus Dad had a hog operation. I think we had just started that at that time, and so it was a nice, cool, crisp autumn evening, and being a teenager, I like to go off by myself and I watched if people listening, remember Dragnet. I liked to go back to my room and watch Dragnet while I did my homework. Well, Mom called back, but you know, yelled back and said it was time to get ready for bed. So I started getting dressed, put my jamas on, and I felt like something was looking.

2:53 You know how you've kept that feeling that somebody's looking at you, and I just had a feeling that somebody was staring at me. And grandmother we had I shared a room with her, and we had the windows cracked about five inches at the top, and she had these boil which were very sheer curtains, yellow curtains hanging over just to get the air through the house. And I stepped over to the window and looked and there was this huge head, big eyes, and I thought at the time that just immediate my immediate thought was that it was our neighbors pranking me. The two genage boys. One was a couple of years older than me and one was a couple of years younger. And I yelled at them and call them by name and told them to go home. Well, when I yelled, it blinked its eyes.

3:50 And when it blinked its eyes, I could tell it was not a mask. It was a real creature. The eye itself was very large and blick, but when it blinked you could see the tiniest bit of white in the corners. And then I realized that it had a I mean, I just kind of froze. My face was probably five to six inches from its face because I got right up in its face when I was thinking it was the neighbor and I'm screaming at it. It never moved, it didn't run, It just blinked, and it had a nose. I've always compared it to the pictures of the Neanderthal man. It was totally black. It was the course dark outside, so I really can't take the shape of the head. And initially I thought that the head was smaller than now I now realized that it is.

4:46 So it had to be at least a basketball, if not larger. Because we had single pane windows over a single pain it didn't have any of the you know, the divisions for the panes in the window, and we initially when I had spoke to another group. I had said that I thought it was six and a half feet tall, and they pointed out how houses were built back then, and you're being a childhood memory. I didn't think about that. Okay, I'm sorry. My son is baking cookies. He has autism and that's what he's doing, and so okay.

5:26 And they pointed out that, you know, they built them with the concrete blocks, probably three or four up for the cross face under the house, and then they had a rem joice. So I'm kind of breaking from the story explaining this. My husband and I rode back over to the house I grew up in. It's still there, and the only difference is they changed the color of it. So they were right. It has the blocks and the rim joice. So that adds about two feet to the hype what I thought it was, So that put it being close to eight feet tall, and that really gave put a shutter through me. That scared me, given that much more. But it stayed there. It didn't move. I was afraid to say anything to my dad because I was afraid of him going outside and being injured by it or something, so I didn't say anything. I went to bed, Grandma came in, went to bed. I kept moving the curtain with my toe and seeing it standing there, you could see it silhouette in the moonlight. I don't understand why it never moved, and it sounds kind of crazy, but eventually I noticed it was gone the next day.

6:48 That was a Thursday night. I even remember the night of the week. It was a Thursday because I went to school the next day and I was scared to death to go home, thinking that thing would be somewhere around there. I went over under the window and looked. We had Holly Bush's grandmother had planned it up kind of close to the house, but it was you could see where the grass was, you know, press down, probably a good twenty four inch kind of area there where something had shuffled around that you couldn't see, you know, footprints of that kind of thing. I don't remember that. I just remember seeing the grass and ash down, so that confirmed to me that there was something there. My job was to go to the chicken houses after I got home from school and walk the chickens, and we would do that no matter what the season. But I had to go walk in sounds bad, but you had to pick up the diseased chickens and take them down to the chicken pit. Blah blah blah, and well fast forward.

7:46 I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous, so bear with me, Jeremiah. Friday night, it didn't come back. Saturday night, that thing was back at the window. I don't remember it staying is long, but I remember it being back in the same place and watching the same I watched it again in the moonlight until I guess I went to sleep. It walked away or something. Then the first part of the next week, you know, at school again. I was in the chicken house walking the chickens one afternoon and I felt a shadow passing over me on the west side, and I looked and there was the black figure walking down the side of the chicken house. All I could see was probably from what would what I would call its upper arms shoulder area, down to where the window stopped, which was probably wastes or so high. It walked around, walked to the end of the chicken house. We had our doors open on the chicken houses, large doors brought back and it stood there where the screen wire was, looking in at the chickens. It scared me so bad, I got into the furnace room, and I got down behind the wall that we had built there, and I'd look up and back down. I'd stand up and back down to see when it left. Well, the chickens had made a little semicircle, because when you start on them,

9:17 it's kind of interesting how chickens do. But they made a little circle out from that opening, and it was just standing there, not making any effort to tear through the wire or do anything. So finally it turned, and when it started down the fence road back towards the woods, I ran out and got on my motorcycle and went back to our house. A little minibhite motorcycle thing went to the house. Well, that terrified me, and I did not go back and do the other two chicken houses. I was scared to death to go down there again. I didn't tell anybody. Then Wednesday or Thursday night of that week, it was back. Now, my dad also did hay all over the county and neighboring counties, but at that time of the year he was combining soybeans, and Dad bailed the soybean fills for fodder. I guess for the cattle. I don't know. Exactly what he did with all of it, but they were still hauling some you know, the baiales of soybean hay. So I was left home in the afternoon to do laundry and different things by myself and Mom and my brothers. My baby brother would ride with her, and my other brother helps because he was even though he was only eleven years old, he was big enough to handle haybails on the truck. So they had all left to go haul some of the

10:48 bean bails in. Bean bails in, and I walked over to the front door, and there at the neighbor's spillway, the pond was probably a little over a tenth of a mile from our front door. There it stood really and I remember it being really tall, solid black. It wasn't real like people say they're four feet wide, five feet wide whatever. I don't remember it being that big. I guess maybe three and a half wide when I thought at the chicken house and down there it was standing at the spillway. Didn't do anything, wasn't you know, It was just standing there. And then it turned and walked down the backside of it, and it was a really steep down and that led down into the woods and that was all that I saw it as. So roughly five sightings of this, I'm assuming the same creature within a two week period of time. That has suck with me my entire life. And you know, I tried to not think about it and you know, push it back in the back of the memories and things. But now that I've gotten older and through the years, I thought, you know, we really had a good set up. They could get the sea's chickens out of the pit they had I don't know whatever happened to like dead cats and stuff when Dad found them. You know, stillborn's no idea if he buried them or just I hate to say it, tossed them over the fence or something. But they had that, you know, they had the fish ponds,

12:18 They had our fruit trees. We had an enormous pear tree down in the center of one of our pastures. We had plumb trees all over. We had peaches, apples, and like I said, we had a huge garden. We had free range chickens out back, just lots lots of stuff that they could survive on. It's been kind of a lifelong fascination, I guess trying to learn a little bit more about them. But the area that we were in also bordered the back part of our property. The railroad track ran through and between the railroad tracks and our proper. There was also a creek, not a huge one, maybe four feet wide something like that, and then there was a lot of farm land around us. Our neighbor had cattle, They had two huge ponds. The people across the railroad traps were friends of the family, and they had when they had cattle and they had ponds. So it was really a pretty good area. And we had caves down behind our home. My dad used to take us walking down the tracks and he would tell us stories about the caves that Civil War soldiers had hidden things in them or hidden there themselves during the Civil War.

13:40 But there was one cave in particular that he would tell us not to go in, and he had told several different stories about it. He told us that there was things that were found in there from the war. Then he told us not too far in there was a drop off that you would drop and get hurt if you didn't know what you were doing. And then he telled us later that we just did not need to go in that cave at all. I don't know if Dad knew something. I know that my great great grade I think grandfather was full bloody Cherokee, and Dad used to every once in a while say when we'd hear something about them being around. He said that Granddad said that they traveled the Appalachian Trails, that the Appalations, that they migrated, and that's about all. And my mom said that she don't remember hearing Dad talk about it.

14:30 But Mom didn't like anything that had to do with science. She considered it science fiction, anything out of the norm. She was opposed to hearing about her talking about. Now. Around the same time that this happened to me, I remember at dinner or night Dad telling about and we heard it on the news a church somewhere in the North Alabama area that was having a revival and one had stuck its head in the window during the singing, and they are like the third nine of the revival, and they canceled the revival and supposedly went looking for it. Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

15:27 So I don't know exactly where that was at, but I think it was I don't know if you're familiar with Greg House of Woodwalkers, but we live I don't know, fifteen to twenty miles apart, but we think it's somewhere between us. He was ever close to the Bankhead Forest and I kind of live at the edge of the bank Head Forest, and we think it's kind of in that area. But we're you know, he's looked for information. I've looked for information. We haven't found that. But we heard that they supposedly the men of the church looking for it, but no one ever, we never heard that they found anything. Fast forward a little bit later on the teenage years, while I was still at home, there was not too far more. We lived a huge flea market and we went down. There was a couple that was there working on their booth. It was a small building built kind of like a chicken house, honestly, it's a metal building with open doors on the ends, the big swing outdoors, and one they were there working while the flea market was closed, and they had one that appeared in the doorway. I guess just hearing them make noise, it stuck its head in. And then not far from there there was an incident where there was one that appeared went into a chicken house, but my mom and dad both went down and my dad wanted to talk to the people about it, and I remember standing there listening to the man and woman telling the story about being scared to death about that big hairy thing standing

16:57 in the door. So there's been several sided in the general area that I grew up in. No one else that I know of ever mentioned it. My brothers used to tease me about the one that they saw at the church because I didn't tell anyone about seeing this until I was an adult. You know, people have a tendency to make fun of you. I even when I told my brother, he didn't have a problem believing it because when he was a teenager, they'd heard something in the woods down below one of the ponds when they were camping, and said that they unloaded all of their weapons into the woods. But my mom didn't believe it.

17:37 She went so far as to say that she believed I was lying to her about it, and I said, Mom, I'm not. You brought me up not to lie. I'm not lying. This happened. I was just afraid to say anything back then because I didn't want Daddy going out and hunting it and then in twenty twelve, we were rich church and a gentleman that as the crow flies lives, his property would be north due northeast of where I grew up a mile and a half and his son was hunting and had an encounter with one. So that kind of to me proves that there's still in the area.

18:19 I mean, I know it's twelve years later, but apparently the caves around there, the environment is something that they like. So and I can fast forward to what's been going on around here. Yeah, let's let's discuss about what we've what you've shared so far, and then we'll get up maybe to it. Sounds like you have current days stuff going on. As well a little bit. Yeah, okay, so definitely have a few questions. So a lot of people in the community were seeing this. Did you guys call them boogers down there or how would you refer to them?

19:04 Well, my grandmother, as we were growing up, she would tell us not to be out too late at night because the wooly boogers would get us. And you know, most people call them boogers. I just call them bigfoot because that's what I the only thing I knew to identify them. As was bigfoot or sasquatch, but bigfoot's what I call them now, I refer to them as boogers. But my grandmother did use the expression of wooly bookers. I never questioned that as a child. You know, parents and grandparents tell kids all kinds of things to get them to stay around home when they have no business going off anywhere else. But she would say that, you know, don't go out here or there, the wooly booger will get you. So I'm wondering if that's just was an expression that they used to describe it. And she just now, they were very tight lipped, my grandmother and her sister.

20:04 That was just the two in the family, and they they just didn't talk much about things that they experienced growing up. They didn't talk much about their family. She just didn't elaborate on a lot of stuff. If you tried to ask her questions about family, she'd say, I've got all the family I need right here in this house. So we just didn't ask her a lot of things. I Faandma said a woolie boeker was going to get you, then that's what was going to get you. No matter what that thing was, it was going to get you. We played in the yard some at night, you know. We had Daddy put up a light out and a basketball go out on a big old oak tree that we could go out and shoot hoops as teenagers, as young teenagers and pretend and play out there. And we had swings and anything kids wanted to play within the yard.

20:54 But we didn't stay out. Really. It's kind of like kids today. They don't go outside and play out like we did. But that's all we had. Go out and sit in the swings and talk to the neighbors, or go fishing and fished or dark or that kind of thing. I don't ever remember seeing anything around the ponds, hearing anything around our ponds, but Dad didn't ever talk about them. Now, my uncle was in my great uncle. He was a school teacher and he also did a lot of home construction, and he had a place that he would go and get rocks down on a mountain about two miles below where we lived, and he would get stones to like using chimneys and stuff and some good clean sand, and there was a cave there that he would go in and get cool water to drink when he was there working.

21:51 And his daughter told me a couple years back that it had been several weeks. He'd gotten busy with school and he was always doing continue education, and he'd gotten very busy with school, and he'd been a couple of months since he'd been down together rocks and sand. When he went back, he couldn't get into the cave to get the water. Something had piled rocks at the entrance and he couldn't get back in there. And that was about two miles from where I grew up. Wow, okay, so this area is oh crazy. Yeah, I would say a good two mile radius, maybe three, I mean maybe a month and a half ago. We have a road that we cut through from one road, one main road to another one and my husband had pulled in and pulled off to the road to go and do his mandate. And as soon as he stepped out of our vehicle, we heard two whoops. And this is the same area that that cave is in up on the mountain that my uncle many years ago, you still get stones. And my husband turned around, he said, did you hear that? I said, yeah, would you hurry and let's get out of here. I said, it doesn't like you using its property. Let's go. But they're obviously still around at that area. And see, I've moved where

23:25 I'm at now, I'm probably five miles six miles from where I grew up, and I'm in an area with a lot of water and things of that nature. But we'll get there whenever you're ready to get that right. Absolutely, was there any community backlash after the situation with the Bigfoot? Looking into the church revival? Was it a tent or an actual church building? Do you know? It was a church? They said that the windows were up and that it that it looked in while they were singing, And then I suppose the music, the singing, the noise probably attracted it. But there was a woman and a child turned around and looked and saw it and screamed, and the nut's when they disbanded, And they said that I think it was like third nine of the revival, if I remember correctly, And they didn't continue because back then revivals would run a full seven nights and they didn't have any more revival than men went out looking for it and didn't find it.

24:26 So, oh, man, you know, then, I. Think the newspaper even I think the newspaper even may have carried something. I'm not I'm not positive, but I know that there was a lot of talk about it. Oh absolutely, I know that. Wow mmm. And there's supposedly I'm not sure if it was in the same era an incident over in Mississippi. Not too often for you know, west of US, that the same type of thing happened. But I don't think it had such a good ending. But you know, we never heard any more about that area. And as far as the flea market, people were really curious to hear these people talk about it, because you know, they would. I would see people. We went there every weekend. My dad was just an addict. Every single weekend. We were there on Saturday and Sunday walking it, talking to everybody, and he knew most of the people there, and I there was a lot of people that went by to see these people that saw it there. And it was during like within probably two years, i'd say, of when I saw the one on our property, I'm always saying why didn't I see it? Asking why didn't I see it again?

25:51 Why didn't it come back? Why did it come just to that window. I was a I would have said preteam, but I just turned thirteen I some people have theories about them being traccted to women during certain times of the month. We're all adults here, so I would say that I had just started puberty, not too far not too long before that, so maybe that had something to do with it. I don't know, There's there's just so many questions I have personally. Absolutely yeah, I mean I can tell you that I agree with you on both of those. There's been things said to me off air, off record that make me believe that as well one hundred percent. There's something to that where it's like, you know, time of the month slash puberty place can play it a huge part in it.

26:57 When you had the you know, it was so close to your window, and it was like you're saying six feet away, that's really really close. Do you remember inches? Six inches? Sorry, yeah, that's way different. Inches. There was a glass of pane in the spring between me. And it, so that's six inches. Do you remember smelling anything like a smeller or no? Wow, No, I'm glad you asked that. So many people asked me that, and no, I don't remember any odors. I think i'd have remembered it because since then I have smelled one, but I'm sure I would have remembered that gut wrenching odor, but no, there was no smell.

27:41 I remember its face being like leathery looking, you know, a lot of wrinkles. I can't remember seeing hair above the eyebrows, I really because it was dark. I don't remember seeing. I do remember seeing eyebrows. I don't remember it being like a protruding eye, you know, like they showed the apes protruding out what did they call that, the pronounced brow? I don't remember that. And maybe in the angle that we were being face to face, I don't know. I remember some hair on the cheeks, I do remember, and I'm sorry I forgot to mention later later on, uh, And it had to been after I turned fourteen, because I got after Spencer Jamison questioned me a lot. I remembered seeing another one, and probably the same one, I'm guessing. And the reason I had to be after I turned fourteen. My dad bought me a hont of seventy and I was writing it to the pond and around the chicken houses and stuff, you know, to do chores and things. And as I was coming back from my lower chicken house, we had a large barn like the house that I grew up, and then we had an open area out back, a huge, huge BlackBerry I used to call it the BlackBerry mound. It was probably sixteen feet long and twelve feet wide. My

29:11 grandmother had, for lack of a better way of putting it, she kind of tamed wild blackberries into this huge mound. The blackberries. We had that there, and then we had her chicken pins, rabbit pins. She also had dogs out there and pins, and then the barn started and we had Dad had built an area to bottle feed calves on one end of it. Then we had the open base where the tractors and the equipment, the hay balers and stuff was stored. Directly behind that was probably five stalls for cows, and we had one that was set aside as a makeshift chicken coop. And then we had a cattle catch pen at the end where when we rounded them up and tagged, you know, new calves and things we had. He built an area there that was large enough to pretty much accommodate the whole herd.

30:11 Big for society would be right back after these messages. And then we had to catch pin and then another smaller pin that he could isolate other cows in, and we had cataba worm trees were famili where those are not you know the trees that they have the the those caterpillar lockworms on them you fish with. Ye yeah, yeah yeah. We had two of those huge ones out there, I mean huge ones. And then we had another little open air lean to type thing on the barn that my grandmother raised not crawlers, had eight twelve eight to twelve inch high beds on them. Initially she did her starts for the garden there and then she converted it to nightcrawlers. Well, as I was coming back from the third chicken house, I remember seeing it standing in that area. The edge of it was about six feet on the very edge of it was about six feet high, maybe five and a half, and then it sloped up to attached to the barn, probably nine feet at the inner piece of the ten that attached to the barn, and it was hunched over like its head was over. It couldn't stand up straight. And I just remember as I rode by

31:45 seeing it and thinking I got to get to the house. I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. There was no light there. It was black. Like I said, it could have been the same one, but that had to have been close to a year later because I had the motorcycle. Then was the gift Dad gave me for my birthday, the larger bike. Now another thing, and I don't think I mentioned it was. My grandmother also had old style refrigerator freezers. You know they campaign take the doors off, YadA, YadA, YadA for years because kids could get in them. And they could, okay. She had them lined up around the back side of my dad's shop. There was probably ten, maybe a foot put in half between each one, which had them up on cement blocks, and she had drain each tos in them, and she had them full of either red wigglers or I guess not crawlers in them. And then in the evenings grandmother would sprinkle the top of them with chicken feed and she would also take scraps from the kitchen of eggshells, different things like that and sprinkle across the top of them for the worms to feed on. Well, in the evening, right before dark, she would go down and put a cement block on the corner, a big, heavy cement block.

33:01 It wasn't like the I don't know what are they six inches wide? It was the larger ones. I remember it being the the maybe twelve or twelve. I think she would put those things up there on the corner and then she would lower the lid, and that was to keep if it rained during the night, it would keep them from flooding out. Well, we went through a spell where she would go down in the mornings and the cement block would be on the ground and the live would be closed, and she was upset about it because she didn't want the worms. It closed down on the worms for fear of I guess I don't know what kind of problems it could have caused if they came to the top. Maybe that overheated or something that she didn't get nothing done there early enough. But she couldn't understand what was taking her blocks and setting them on the ground and knocking them on the ground. It crossed my mind not too long ago, maybe because it was around this I'm tom prime that thing was coming up and getting the kitchen scraps or eating the chicken feed, because sometimes it was whole corn corn that dropped, you know, shell corn that she would throw in there. And we also had a corn crib not too far from there that she threw in there for the worms. Just the thought.

34:21 Yeah, absolutely. I mean there's multiple accounts I can think of right now where something similar to that, like some sort of refrigerator or freezer on a back porch was involved, and that just draws them in. Like there's the you know, the account in Oklahoma about twenty years ago, and there's also I believe one in outside of Mount Rainier that I just heard from individual named Tom Powell. But yeah, no, I would say, I mean the whole farm area the way you guys had set up, it's just like a magnet, so much food, incredible amount of.

35:04 Oh yeah, smaller's board for the sasquats. Oh yeah, I mean, you know, the dead chickens, the cows, and I know when the pig operation got going, Dad would he had a thing that he incinerated the men, but he didn't light it. Every day. He would throw them out there and then you know, into it. It was the open air type thing, and then he would I guess I had propane burners on the bottom, I don't know, but then he would you know, light it up and then burn all the carcasses. But he would wait till he got several you know, to set it. So there was there right, and that was not Collie. It was really close to the woods. Eye property actually went across the rever attracts some but we didn't fool with the property on that side. It was just a small corner that was over there. But around the edge of it. You know, Dad left wooded areas. We had a good deal of woods on the on the property. So but the hog operation he had sat way back out away from the house, so we didn't have that annoying, horrible smell. And it was very very close. Probably the back of it was forty five feet from the woodline. So in the end that the incinerator was on was even closer to that closer the incinerator was even closer to the woods than

36:35 the building itself. So yeah, it looking back now, I can see where you know, they could have fish one night, pigs one night, chicken one night. You know, be facetious and silly about it. But they just had a all kinds of things they could eat. Oh yeah, I mean they would never have to go hunting. Plenty of deer. Yeah, I mean, there'd be no reason too unless they wanted to get deer, but. Plenty of fruit and vegetables. Oh yeah, definitely did. Would you guys ever have anything show up on your property that didn't make sense, like parts of deer or weird objects that were just out of place.

37:21 You know, Dad never mentioned that, and I don't remember anything like that as a child, and I mentioned before, I don't remember. I remember riding with Dad in the truck and us finding stillborn calves. Sometimes the cow would have twins and one wouldn't make it. I honestly can't tell you what Dad did with those. I don't know if you know if those were there, if they were devoured. We had deer, but they didn't come up around the house a lot. You could see them in the back parts of the close to the woodline on the property, but we just didn't see a lot of deer inside the fences. So and that wasn't a hunter, you know, he just he didn't. He would take the boys usually in the fall squirrel hunting or rabbit hunting or something, just to say carry them hunting. But he didn't hunt for deer. We had too many cows and pigs and you know, things of that nature around to keep the freezer stop. So he just didn't. He was just never a hunter, and I don't ever remember him saying that something had gotten broken into or anything like that. But all of our fields basically all ran back to the woods, you know, like when we had corn, there was ample fresh corn that they could have gotten into. And I don't know if they had any interest in soybeans, but the same with the soybean fills, they went back to the woods. Occasionally he would drain a pond, but we

38:54 had He had one pond that was a I guess you'd say a nursery. He had these huge baskets that he'd built that with arrators in them that now he did have one of those pulls from the water one time pulled out to the edge, but he Dad's statement was that he figured somebody had came across the fence and was trying to steal the pound pounder to have catfish out of it because they were not ready to be dumped into the larger pond. So, you know, thinking back, I don't know, never did I hear them mention anything about footprints anything of that nature. Growing up, I just don't remember anything like that. And honestly, if Dad noticed it.

39:38 I don't think Jeremiah he would have said anything in front of my mother because she was just so I mean, we weren't even allowed. This sounds silly maybe to some people, but I was always a tricky thanks to my cousin, but we were not allowed to even watch Star Trek in our household because that was so out there, you know, that was just we just couldn't do it. So Dad just knew what he could and couldn't talk to about around Mom. Now he might have talked about it to neighbors and things like that, but not not at home with us. No, I we had bodcasts, dynamics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

40:20 Know, if it if Mom didn't feel like it was biblical, you didn't talk about it. That's a good way to put it, that, you know, the Bible didn't talk about Captain Kirk, and you wasn't going to talk about Kirk. Well true, yeah, Bible does not talk about Kevin Kirk. But on the other hand, the Bible does talk about a lot of really weird stuff, which I've always you know, found interesting if you if you read it with an open mind, and especially as an adult, you're like, whoa there's some. Really really Jennis chapter six. There you go. Yeah, Genesis chapter six mentions that it says that John's roam the earth in those days? You know, so who's to say that? I mean, we all know the story of the flood. We all know that Noah and his sons repopulated the earth. We don't know the genes that they carried. We have no idea. We don't know what could have you know, I threw this at my uncle not too long ago. I see. We don't know what vowels of the earth where someone could have hidden. We don't know. Only God knows. We don't know so and the not.

41:35 We don't know if it's if it's end days or not. But and days will be like the days of Noah. And it makes you think why it says that. Right, we don't know everything he created. We just don't. And there's so many things that are mentioned that I'm not a scholar. I'm a Christian. I don't fully understand everything that I read. I admit that I try to ask Him for clarification and for wisdom to understand. But then I can read the same verse half a dozen times and get a different meaning out of it sure, So you know, I take his word giant. And we've heard all kinds of stories over the years, and history is filled with them about the giants. And I've read things around here about people having not too far from where I live now, having seen large hairy man beast kill dogs carry dog head off across the road in front of somebody. You know, so you see it all the time? Why doubt that it exists?

42:42 Absolutely? I know what I thought. You can't tell me otherwise. I know what I thought. It's that once you see it, it's going to stick with you for life. I agree. It's one of those things where people start seeing certain things and then you have to agree. Then everyone has to agree that the Bible is true if you start seeing certain things right, And I think that's that might be a reason why some of this gets shut down, you know. Oh yeah, out of the news. But that's that's a that's a whole discussion in itself. So let's let's move on. I think now might be a good time to move on to You've had some things continue to happen in your life as you as you get older.

43:30 Yes, I'm moved away from here for and lived in a couple of different I lived in South Alabama for roughly twenty three years or so, and then I lived out west for about a year, and we came back and searched all over the county that I grew up in and finally found a place and bought a home that had been vacant for roughly three years. And that was in two thousand and four, is when we moved in here. And the only person that had been on the property that we were aware of in that period of time was a landscaper who kept the yard cut and kept the flower beds in some order. As they were trying to sell the property and my son and I and I mentioned before my son is autistic. He was really trying to decide on what bedroom he wanted.

44:35 There's three bedrooms in the home, and on that side of the house, the south end, there's two that are basically identical, and he didn't know if he wanted to be on the east side of the house of the west side of the house. He was nine going on ten years old, and we were sitting in the bedroom on the west side. He finally decided and we were working on it and setting all of this stuff up and It was in the spring of two thousand and five, and we were sitting there talking and organizing things, and suddenly we heard this bomp, just loud, thunderous footsteps and it shook the side of the house. And I immediately thought, no, you know, and I had watched programs and was familiar with you know, Like I said, I've been fascinated most of my adult life with finding out what I could about the Sasquatch, the Bigfoot, and I thought, no, that's the only thing I can think of that could be that heavy, that would make something shake.

45:46 Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages. You could tell it was by Peedle because of the way it was the footsteps. Our neighbor had Clydesdale's in a pasture a little ways from there, and I knew it wasn't them, because you know, horsesteps sounds way different than something by Peedle. And it frightened him and he said, well, should I move to the other bedroom, you know, because he didn't understand that as it passed the house it was going to shake the wall in that room too. Well.

46:41 I went and looked. I didn't see anything. I'd stayed with him a little bit, but I'm sure by the time I got to the front door that it was already in the woods on the other side. And but that occurred, we didn't I didn't hear anything else after that. Now I'm not going to say everything is the Sasquat's Big Food, whatever you want to call him. But that was something large that made my house shake, and it was by people. So you can let your mind go where you want your mind to go. Then later on in the summer of that year, my husband we we had we have a shop and he had it opened up on both ends. It was hot, and he was working and he heard a whoop. He knew what he was hearing because he'd you know, heard him on TV by that point. And he came in the house wide eyed, and he said, did you hear that? And I was preparing dinner and I said, no, I didn't. I didn't hear anything. I was at the kitchen window and he said, you did not hear that. I said, no, I didn't hear anything. And then he described what he heard, and I was like, that's interesting. Now where we live now behind our home is wooded. There is a creek. Geographically there is a number of smaller creeks that this creek that I mean really small, I guess you say, streams that feed into this creek and then it feeds into

48:13 a larger one down towards the main highway south of US, and then west of US you get into several miles west of US you get into Bankhead National Forest. But all of this, I don't know if you can hear that noise, but I have somebody that just don't seem to know how to leave me along at the moment. Anyway, we have looked at the topographic area. A lot of woods, chicken houses around, not real close to the house, but within a couple of miles. But we just have a lot, a lot of watershed, you know, the creeks and streams and stuff around here. Directly down behind my home. It's the deepest part of this one particular creek. We've had a neighbor or an old neighbor that used to fish there.

49:17 He would tell us that he would go down and he would catch brim and I don't know what of the little fish, but he would just go down and fish just to be fishing, and said he didn't eat them, But we do know that there's fish down there, so if there's anything that's down there, they have a source of fish, and probably crayfish, because you know there's crayfish all in the little streams and stuff around here. The two thousand and four whoop of yeah, five five whoop, and then we didn't really hear anything else. But now I have apple trees, two large ones that were on the property, and when we moved here, and I planted peach trees that now bear. I have five peach trees, and I have five more apple trees. I have figs, I have blueberries. My yard is just full fruits, also garden, so I have ample food on site. And then we have chickens here that we you know, we get eggs from.

50:20 We've had several incidents over the years that you go, hmmm, bigfoot, not bigfoot, you know. I actually wrote a bunch of stuff down because of I think I just told you that my I was having some memory issues, but thankfully that's getting better. I was trying to see when the next one after two thousand and five, because I found it kind of interesting to look and kind of go back over for them to see just what all had occurred.

51:05 We had foster children for a little while, for about three years, and the little girl used to say, Papa was looking in the window. And it would be late at night. You could hear her like eleven o'clock, eleven thirty tell And I didn't know I could never catch anybody looking in her window. So I told her to say go away, Papa, goo away, and so I could hear it, eleven eleven thirty, say go away, Papa, go away. When i'd hear her, I would get up and go look. But by the time I got to that side and got to her room where she was at, they wouldn't be anybody out there. I've often wondered if that was one looking in the window at her, you know, I wondered if it could have been somebody we have a camp around not too far from us that you know, they might have walked, because we've had people that just stroll into our yard that that go walking and don't know where they're at. Wondering if maybe there was somebody from over there that could have come over and been looking in But as I said earlier, not everything is bigfoot.

52:13 But I've wondered if that could have been because as a child and in the dark, if all she could see was the hairy face, she might have equated that would be in a popall. She was two and a half three years old, very verbal, often wondered if she could have Also during that time, my husband was outside working in a shop on some electronics and I went out to get him to come in for dinner. And as I went out, he was coming out saying, did you hear the whoop? And I said, no, I did not. I'm sorry once again I missed hearing a woop, But he declared that he was hearing whoops come out of the woods. Well. Then a few years ago the man that only campground decided he was going to fence some of the property that he owned that he hadn't been fenced.

53:06 And my son and I had been picking wild blackberries ever since we lived here, all around the property and down around the edge of this gentleman's property. He's a hitting care so we were picking them and on the woodline there was a lot of really large blackberries there that we looked forward to getting to pick every year, and he bulldozed all of that down into the woods. We went down and look just to see how far he cleared back. We took our golf cart and rode over there and just checking it out. Well. We went back the next afternoon to look again. I think my husband didn't go the first time, so he wanted to go the second time. When we went the second time, there was an actual upside down tree shoved down in the ground between on the edge of the pile closest to our house. It looked like a cedar tree that all of the limbs had been just somebody taking their hand and just rake down the tree and broke all the limbs off of it, and then the root ball up in the air, probably about eight feet tall. It wasn't enormous, but it was about eight think tall and probably ten inches around something like that. I'd heard about upside down trees, never seen one, but I saw that one.

54:31 And you know how you don't think about taking pictures of stuff. I'm sorry I didn't take one, but to me, that was fascinating. Then we had our dog, a puppy we got in. She's fourteen years old, so that would have been twenty eleven. She got out and went down in the woods. The woods were about thirty feet from my house at that time. Our back door thirty thirty five, and we have copperheads, or had copperheads then, and I didn't want her to get out down in there and get copperhead bitten. So we were trying to call her back.

55:15 And there's two trees back there that the way they're positioned together, they're pretty wide, probably about three and a half four feet as you're looking at them. Well, my son went on one side of the house, one end of the house, and I went on the other, calling the dog, trying to get her to come out of the woods. And I looked, and I know what an owl's eyes look like. I know what other animal's owls look like. There was a set of eyes, large eyes, sideways looking out from behind a tree, one of those trees that were right there together. It was dark. I'm pretty blind at night, but that set of eyes was kind of that orangish amber red color, and they were not you know, our's eyes are really round. This was not the really round eyes, more of the little almond kind of almond shaped to it. But I guess the good comparison to the sizes, you know, like bicycle reflections or reflections you put on a mailbox close to that size, and they were probably five inches four to five inches apart.

56:27 They were wide apart. I'm guessing I'm not real good with that, but I'm guessing. Well. I looked at it and I said, look, I'm not gonna bother you. We just need the puppy. Please leave the puppy alone. I called my son from the other side to go around the house, come over here and stand by me. Let's get the dog in and get in the house. But I really do believe that that was one looking out from behind a tree. We used to shop late at night. Because I've said it on another program. The hulngas are not at Walmart running around at eleven o'clock at night. Okay, I don't have to worry about dodging people, the kids and stuff that are not minding their parents. We would come in and occasionally we would see something peeking out from behind a tree over on the northwest side of our yard, and I just tell my son, let's get in the house. He said, Mama, do you see that?

57:24 Do you see those eyes? Because he became aware of it, we also would sit up late at night and watch TV. During this same time period. He and I like science fiction. We like thrillers things like that. Dad, he's more of a hallmark man. But we would sit in our den, which is a way it's from him and where he's at in the house, and we would sit in here and have popcorn and watch the movies, and things would brush up against the house or slap the house. The backside. That part of the house did not have lights on it. The front yard. I jokingly say, you can read a newspaper in the backside is dark. Not now, but then it was very dark, but you could hear. I mean, it would slap the house. You could tell it was something hitting it. He'd say, Mama, what's that? And I would just I would say, oh, a gear, you're probably just ran into the house. You tell your kids things to keep from scaring them out of their wits. I mean, I never saw it, but it went on. That was and it's kind of seasonal. It's spring and fall more than anything. And we would hear it just about every night that we were in here, and we would be in here a lot. He was homeschooled, so we'd set our own hours, so you know, he we would be up late. We'd start our school work at nine so,

58:59 like I said, we had our own little schedule that we did, and we would hear it quite often. Was it one? Was it not one? I kind of tend to believe that maybe it was. We did have a lot of deer that came on the property. Back then. We had chickens removed from our chicken coop. Early one morning we went out to gather eggs six point thirty and he said, Mama, I got chickens missing. We started looking for the chickens, and we had maintained a portion of our neighbor's property before he fenced it. He pushed all that stuff back by the way I talked about it earlier. He never He didn't get to fence it till like twenty nineteen or something's when he finally did that.

59:44 So it was quite a few years between preparing it to be fenced and when he actually did it. But we found the grass was probably or Johnson grass, I guess. It was seated probably three feet three and a half feet tall out in that corner. It was in the fall, and we found where something with large feet had stepped large strides down a row, an old fence row. The fence was there, old barbed wire, and there was honeysuckles all growing on it, vines, and it went down the edge of that towards the woods, and then there laid the chickens. They were just laying in the grass like they had just been dropped there, not moving, and the footprints went on past them where the grass had been parted, and you could follow the steps all the way to the woods.

1:00:43 Were their necks broken or anything out of the ordinary. No, they were perfectly fine. Oh, we picked them up and brought them back to the coop. Big for society would be right back. After these messages. A friend of mine said, I have never heard of them not killing the chickens. I said, those chickens sing days. They were just sitting there in that tall grass. But the footsteps I would gander, I would guess were probably four feet apart, four to four and a half and it was large steps. Well, I mean this was sporadic activity over you know those years we moved away. Well, we didn't we own the property, but my brother unexpectedly passed away in twenty seventeen, and my younger brother had passed away ten years prior to that, and my mother had suffered a heart attack when the youngest one died, and then she was not feeling well when my other brother passed away, and she was nervous about living alone,

1:02:15 so we decided that we would go over and spend some nights with her, my son and I so she wouldn't always by herself. Well, then she went to cardiologists and he told her she needed open heart surgery in August of that year. So at that point we made the decision to just basically shut down the house and move over there to stay with her when she got home and take care of her. And I had turkeys and I had chickens here, and we left them here and we would come back together our eggs and check on the new feed them, and you'll take care of them daily, and while mom was in the hospital, and we did come back over and say some while she was in the hospital. And while we didn't want to leave either place totally unoccupied. So good reason because the first night we spent at my mother's without her there, we were broke into while we were there in bed, I met the person at the front door as he broke through the lock. And anyway, prior to my brother dying, he told us about seeing something on all fours come out of the bean patch and run back down it.

1:03:35 So that could have been activity over there as well, and that her place is three or four miles from where we lived. So we kept coming back over here to check on our turkeys and our chickens, and we would come back and our chickens would be out. Something was letting our chickens out, and we were We had fourteen chickens and we were averaging ten to thirteen eggs a day, and we were not getting any eggs. They were not molting. It was like we went from getting our eggs to no eggs. Our neighbor had a camera system and she said, nobody's coming down the driveway. You don't have anybody going down the driveway, but you guys to check on your place and the mail carrier and they didn't come into the yard. So something was getting all of our eggs, and something was letting our chickens out, and then they started letting our turkeys out. This happened several times. We'd round them all back up, put them up, and they had those little slide latches, you know, like the little I grew up call on my hasp. You would just slide it, and you had to push it to a lot position. Well, my son was bad to just and he still is to just slide it and not push it to the lot position. So you could just slide it and the door would swing open, and that's what we had. So after we dealt with with rounding up chickens and turkeys for three weeks, we moved them over to where my mom lived, and then we wound up having to get rid of them because they

1:05:06 worried her constantly. But I wondered if that if it was coming up from the woods and helping itself to eggs. And we did go from fourteen chickens down I think to eleven before we moved them, so we wound up with less chickens to move. We did lose one hen turkey out of all that, but we don't know if that was just from you know, her getting far enough away we couldn't find her. So we had that occurred. But when we came back home in twenty nineteen, we fenced the entire property. Now I have a dough that brings or that brought her little famed in the yard every year, and we still saw deer come on the property some because we don't close our big gates. We have two gates and we leave them open. But the fence around the property is probably five and a half six feet high with barbed wire on top, and it goes down almost I think our fence stops twenty feet from the creek in the back. The back fence well in twenty I think it was a spring of twenty nineteen is when I got the footprints. I have a seventeen inch by six c inch footprint. My blueberries were stripped and it had been raining and I got a trackway.

1:06:39 I have a left footprint, a right footprint, and half of a left footprint. Again, the best footprint I got a picture of it was the right footprint. Before I could get to the house and get my cell phone to take a picture, my husband ran through it with his truck and the treads on the truck are one inch. But it didn't know. It damaged the footprint a little bit, but you could still see the depression. It depressed the soil deeper than the truck did. Really, so I know. That we yes, Oh wow, so I've kept that I carried on my phone all the time. But yeah, I've got it when I first found it. I was cutting grass when I found it, and I was like, oh my gosh, such a clear footprint, and I like broke my neck. And he had just said I'm going to get diesel fuel, and I was like okay. And I didn't think about him going around that part of the yard to go out the other gate, and he did.

1:07:35 He circled the yard and went across it. So I have the truck tread in the bigfootprint, but yeah, I have a really nice seventeen inch by. Like I said, the hill was about six inches across. Toes were clearly defined. The big toes. You could see where the soil was kind of a clay sandy lone area, and when it mashed its toes down, you kind of pushed a little chunk of the dirt up around the edge of the footprint. It's cool. I didn't cast it, didn't think about it, but I did get it on the phone. And then in the spring of the next I believe it was the next twenty twenty, my son got another footprint. It was a wet footprint that he took going into my shop.

1:08:24 He looked out the door and said, somebody's trying to get in your shop. And he opened the door and said, hey, what are you doing? And it was he thought it was a person dressed all in all black. It was raining, and it ran between two buildings. But then he went out to see if the door was indeed locked, and he came back in and got his phone. He said, Mama, there's a footprint out there that's weird. And it was eleven inches long. The big toe stuck out further than the other four toes, and it was five inches across at the hill. When you're these prints, are you finding multiples of them as well?

1:09:05 Not on that one which we I didn't go out there, so he didn't know to look around the base of the steps. That one print was just up on the concrete steps and it ran, like I said, between the two buildings that are there. The other one I found multiples, you know. I found the three and they were just in that clay sandy that was still moist enough for it to compress there. So and it was directly out at an angle from my blueberry bushes. Now I tied nets the next year. I believe it was over my blueberry bushes burdenetting and we tied them down around the base to make sure nothing got the blueberries. We were tie them in the afternoons. After we gathered the blueberries off of them. The next day the nets would be loose thrown on the ground. Now raccoon's not untying those and throwing them on the ground. The blueberry bushes are about four and a half feet tall, four to four and a half feet tall, and they're large bushes and they're loaded. So something with fingers had to be untying those and throwing them off. Yeah.

1:10:21 Absolutely. How how far apart again, were you said there are multiple footprints? Were they pretty far apart? Or oh, yeah, they were? They were. I couldn't have stepped that far, and I'm five eleven and my husband couldn't have. I'm gonna say, golly, it's been a while back, and I hadn't thought about measuring I didn't think about measuring them. Probably three and a half four feet if they were bitter that much, if not further than four. And they were really far apart. Now, the one that was the half of one, it was the the toes in about halfway back on the foot. I think the hill had hit a rock like a standstone standstone that's out there, is why it didn't make an impression on that one. And then it had stepped on it was headed towards the eastern gate on our property, and it's the woods right outside, probably twenty five feet outside that is a pine thicket that it could have gone into.

1:11:32 Man, if you were to draw a line connecting those footprints, what would the line look like? Almost straight? But not exactly straight? Wow, I mean they were just a little bit offset. You know. It's not not not luck ours Yep. When one hit the side of your house, were you able to check if there was a handprint on the side of the house at all? We never found anything out there. Now, I had a handprint on my car, on the side of my car and the glass I drove a flex and the way I described it is it looked like it had been on top of the car and reached down its hand it would have been its right hand onto the back window, the back side window of the car. The heel of the hand hit and then it hit about three inches down from the corner and the glass was cracked there.

1:12:45 Then the fingers the thumb ran parallel with the edge of the glass and the fingers were down further on the glass, and I've had a lot of mobility issues, and my son went out and tried to take the picture, and bless his heart, he put his hand in such a manner that and I've got a picture of the heel, kind of the heel, the hand and the thumb. But that car went through the car washed and that greasy handprint stay. But it was obvious what it was. It was a huge handprint. My hand is large. It was larger than my husband's. He's six or four and he has very large hands, and it was larger than his.

1:13:28 I was just shocked. I thought it had gotten on the car. But then the more we looked, a friend, Greg House, said that he thought that maybe it had reached over the car versus be on it. And I said, well, that's kind of strange, but that's the only way I knew to describe it. Was it, you know, like maybe had been on it. But there was no marks on the other side. There was just that one handprint. That was around twenty twenty. It's because I got that car in twenty nineteen, so I think that was around when we found that. And I had to take fantastic and rub it off to get it off.

1:14:09 Wow. So it was greasy, and but you could see, you know, like all the ridges in our hands, the you could see all that in that especially in that heelprint, the dermal ridges in it. Yeah, oh absolutely, and just the fact that it was it was really hard to clean it off. I mean that is is a big thing that you care as well. It's always hard to clean those prints off. And I had always said that I wanted to see another one, and I did. I didn't get to see it as close, but I have seen another one since we normally, as I told you, we I don't mean to be head when I'm speaking, but I'm I'm trying to think how to word everything and make it make sense. Now.

1:15:05 I told you we had all the fruit trees and things. We watch our trees to get ready to go out and gather all of our fruit so I can preserve it. And we had a treat this previous year that I had told it. I talked to my trees. I said, if you do not produce fruit this next season, I'm cutting you down. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Well, last year, that thing was loaded, I mean loaded.

1:15:49 So I had gone by when it started. They started turning the peaches and kept checking it, checking it, and I finally tell my husband. I said, I think Saturday, we're going to gather all the peaches and that way I can put them up. Well, went out there on Friday, picked one and I said, yeah, we're going together on tomorrow. Went out Saturday together. Our peaches. They weren't a peach on the tree. They it was stripped clean. Okay, our squirrels. I know what they do to mapcon trees. Squirrels don't strip a tree overnight. I don't have neighbors that come into the yard open the gates and come in and do things like that. The tallest part of the trees maybe twelve feet. Then it cleaned the tree. That's not the first time that we've had our apples and peach trees cleaned, and our blueberry bushes. This has been happening since we've been back, and they were mature enough to produce. Well, we just don't. I mean, we're feeding whatever wildlife it is that's stripping them.

1:16:51 Wow, twelve feet so it's high up. Yeah, yeah, I find that interesting that they just disappear overnight. So they don't mess with the figs though. That's what I've told someone else not long ago. I said, you know, I can get a harvest of figs. They just don't seem to mess with the figs, but everything else they stripped. I have two apple trees. They don't produce great because they're older, but they do produce fruit. We never get the fruit off them. We'll get a couple, you know, my son, I'll get a couple as he goes by. They'll be stripped whenever they look like they're about ready.

1:17:32 But the peaches is the big thing. I think I've gotten the peach harvest twice since my trees have been old enough for me to get peaches from them myself. They get stripped, like all in one night. They're gone. So tell me what's doing that. I mean, as you said yourself, not everything's bigfoot, but sometimes you hear things where it's like, okay, then what is it? You know what else is stripping a tree up to twelve feet tall? That's nuts. I don't know exactly. But now the interesting thing now, I said, I'd always wanted to really see one again.

1:18:16 In November. Oh and we have maypops. Are you familiar with naypops. I've heard of it. I just can't pass it what it. Is, Okay. They look kind of like a keyway, only their lighter color. And I can't think of the flower. I've gone blank on the flowers. It's the fruit of a flowering vine. Well, we have elderberries as well. I also have elderberries that I planted to be tame for me to harvest, and then I have elderberries growing in other places on the property along with wild blueberries I mean not blueberries, blackberries. In the back, we had made a burn pile and it's overgrown on the ends around it is large, and there's some large elderberry bushes that I'd say that became trees. We had been watching and there was a maypop vine passion passion flower passion, so I don't I'm not sure. Anyway, it was loaded. There was probably about fifty of the maypops or so on it, and my son kept saying, what do they taste like?

1:19:17 And I said, well, when they get ripe enough, I'll let you taste one. We'll gather them and you can taste them, because I said, people eat the fruit when they're ripe. We came into November before Thanksgiving. We've been shopping and we were later coming home than normal for us. We'd usually try to get here before my husband gets home. And we pulled up and our property slopes in the back. It used to be a fill and they had terraced rows or pasture, and so you can imagine how the terraces drop off, you know, And so that's probably two the three terraces down back there where that sat. And I looked and I said, look, Jeffrey, we have a friend the Maypops. You could see head and shoulders black facing away from us. I said, quietly, go in the house.

1:20:08 Don't say anything, just go in the house. And I said, don't let the dogs out, just go in. It was down there eating the maypops. When we watched. He'd got back to our back window and looked. I said, once it's gone from the Maypops, you can let the dogs out, but don't let them out till you know it's away from there. It probably stayed down there about fifteen minutes. We went down there. On Saturday, a friend of mine came over. She wanted some seeds because she wanted to plant some. We went down just to get the said if there was any left for her to take home and dry and plant. There was maybe there was two rotten ones on the ground, one further over in the pile toward the burn pile that it hadn't gotten, and then a couple maybe five total left on that whole vine.

1:20:58 And like I said, there'd been about fifty in there. It cleaned those things up. I figured that was the closest I would or the best I would see one again. That was it. Now. Our dogs kept running the edge of the woods. They wouldn't go in the woods, and I have a little docks and he loves to chase the rabbits. He'll go anywhere. He didn't care. He stopped going into the woods around that time. He would just run the edge and bark, run the edge and bark well in I think it was December, no January. We have since I told you before the bat was dark. We put up a ring camera system all around the house and added lights at the back door and the end towards the old chicken coop. And my mother in law has moved up here and living in camper out at one end of our house and so we've tried to light things and you know, make it more secure and friendly for her to the happens she needed to come in, she'd be able to see it come in at night and vice versa first to go out there.

1:22:06 So really the only place that was dark was the north end of my home. Well, I was sitting here and the cameras kept going off, and I heard a noise. It sounded like a tree knock, like you're here on TV the tree knocks, And I thought, huh. So I started with the front camera and started working my way around, and when I got to the northwest camera system, I turned it on and I was watching it on my phone and I enlarged the screen and there stepped out from behind two trees and some privet hedge and just you know, smaller trees, underbrush and stuff. One stepped out.

1:22:52 I lost it. I was like, oh my word. Well, all I could think was screenshot, screenshot, and I kept trying to screenshot it, and I couldn't get my screenshot to work because I would have gotten a perfect side silhouette of this beast standing there. I took off to the bedroom and want my husband up. I said, you've got to look at this, so I showed it to him. My son came running in there and he got to see it, and they were saying it as it was turning and walking back into the woods, and I was watching it, and I immediately got on the front with Greg and I was like, Greg, you're not going to believe this. And I was just in I was just in shock. There was no other way to express it.

1:23:37 I just didn't know what to think. And I had heard whoops a few days before that, and I didn't think about it. One coming up in the yard inside the fence, and I watched it. It went down about eight to ten feet down into the woods and it kept leaning to the left, I mean took leading into the right. I could see it moving its right arm and you could see it moving its head and it was doing something down to the right hand side. And I called him and he was like, calm down. He was getting play by play of what this thing was doing.

1:24:18 I was trying to get screenshots. I got five screenshots. They weren't great, but I was getting them off the camera system. I didn't know any other way to do it. He said, stay in the house. You're seeing something that people would die to see. People would just kill to see what you're seeing. I said, I don't know what it's doing. I said to keys, leaning to the right. I can see it's arm go down to the right. Occasionally it would stand up and I could see both arms out to the side, but I would see it hand go down to the right. And then I remember there's two really large trees that were down there, and I said, do you think it's picking mushrooms off those trees? You know, because decaying trees we have these brownish looking mushrooms growing on them. He said, I don't know, so I'm watching it. I watched it from it started at eleven forty eight, and I watched. I got the screenshots, don't and you could see a tree. There's a tree down that he was blocking the tree with his body.

1:25:17 I couldn't see that part of the tree, and I would see. I would say, if you were looking at the tree, it's probably fifteen to twenty inches or so, maybe a little more across. He was blocking that. But he dug around in whatever he was doing. Close to an hour, and finally it walked on down in the woods. It rained the next day, so my husband and I went down the following day. It measured where it was his head came out on the tree that it came out next to you. It measured eight feet from the ground to where his head was, roughly the top of his head was where he was standing. There was three game trails that kind of converge there at those trees, so one went due west, one went behind those trees he walked out behind, and then there was another one that ran at an angle about halfway between the two of them, kind of southwest towards back down towards the tree the creek. You know, then the time of the year that it was in January, it's just leaf litter and stuff down there, so you couldn't see if he put prints, But those trails were very well packed down.

1:26:36 So wow, Gearfy went out. I know, I mean I was, I was blown away. I was like, I can't believe this. So I'm more worried about my fence though. I mean, I'm like, do you think I need to get somebody to come walk my fence line. I can't walk that fence line because it's so steep. And the guy said, no, don't worry about at eight feet tall, that fence has no for him to step over. He's not torn your fence up, And I was like, okay. So that was on fifteenth ended on the sixteenth. On the seventeenth, we had four chickens in a coop and Jeffery had added one young hen to it to make it five. He went out the next morning and found that the youngest the baby was she was probably sixteen weeks old. That hen was gone, no trace of her anywhere, just gone out of the coop. Again I mentioned earlier, he doesn't lock the little slide latch, didn't mess and these hens are not laying. We just don't have the heart to do anything with them. We're just letting them exist. Of the kind of pets at this point. But that youngest hen was gone, no sign of her anywhere, no feather trail, nothing, She's she's gone. We've never found any remnants of her anywhere.

1:28:05 On our way out, we noticed about two tenths of them all from my home. There is thick structures off the main road. My husband had seen them and then he pointed them out to me. I got a couple of good pictures. There's some trees that are every bitter twenty feet long broken in some of these structures large around, like if you put your hands together you couldn't get them around those trees. And we've noticed that those structures they have increased in numbers since they've started clearing some land back behind there.

1:28:49 This is really wild stuff, I know, and this is. Recent and I'm just it's just blown my mind. Then this is this year. And then on January twenty eighth, we were leaving to go somewhere and we went outside and we were just running up to Walmart and it was seventh. We don't live that twelfthy four, you know, just to make a run up there. Around seven forty eight, I had a loud whoop. I stepped out the end door. Well, either on January thirty first or February first, I can't remember which night. It was around ten thirty. I just got a feeling I needed to check the cameras. Now, this one really blew me away, So I started checking the I checked the end camera first, and it had been recommended that we go ahead and get a bright light there. When my husband hadn't found the one he wanted to put up there, he was checking different loads and stuff, you know, to find them, and so I started checking the cameras and when I got to that back corner one again, and I always in large them so I can look at the woodline. There was a deer up in the air, a deer head. The first thing I saw was like the neck and head of a deer, and I was like, is that a deer on top of something's head? So I blown it up and it took me a second to realize what was going on. The deer was being slung from side to side.

1:30:14 The head was just rapidly. It went left, right, left, right. You know, I probably watched it get slung five times. Big for society will be right back after these messages. I could see its eyes, its eye open, its ears having it blown up. Now this is my husband says. It's between ninety and one hundred feet from that position of the camera on the eve to the edge of the woods. There. It was right there on that same game trail, that same area where the one stepped out a few weeks before. I realized that that bigfoot was apparently slinging that deer back and forth and breaking its neck.

1:31:16 And as quickly as it all started, it went down in the woods with it. I sat here with my mouth hanging open, and of course I called my friend again. I'm like, you are not going to believe what I just watched. I said, I cannot believe this. And now I go to I'm worried. Is that my dough that he's killed? You know, the one that brought her babies in the yard all these years. But to see that happen, there's just no words. There's just no words. I was just completely dumbfounded.

1:31:59 Wow, You've got such a really good opportunity, right, It's just it's crazy. And I'm like, you know what, But now I've said this, I don't believe in our household, We've discussed this. I don't think this is the one that stepped out, and the one that did that to the deer is the same one that's maybe been on the property in the year's past. Because that one that stepped out was enormous. I mean it was enormous. It had to be four feet across when it turned. I got some screenshots I mentioned it before. Spencer took one and cleaned it up, and it looks you could see a large mass and then you see the Blackberby briars underbrush good three and a half four feet tall of that, and then you see the mass above it. It is a huge boy, and I say, boy, I don't know, but it's a huge bigfoot. It's really huge, and it gets even crazier.

1:33:13 I don't know how much time I have, but we went on February fourth. We left here, my husband was supposed to pick dinner up. We left here at seven twenty. We decided we would run to town and just grab a bite at a restaurant and come back. We got back at eight forty. Where we were going when you want to go along, my husband headed directly in the house. As soon as we got here, My Sonday and I got out on our side and walked around the back of our vehicle. I'd had gravel delivered a few days prior, and but we had a pile put here at the end of my house, probably six feet from the corner of my house. I'd had a decent sise little pile.

1:33:58 I wanted to wreck it around, you know, pull it up next to the sidewalk, that kind of thing. So I as I got to dump me a pile there. As I walked around, I looked down and I said, oh, my word. Look. Right in the top of that pile was a huge footprint you could see compressed down in the gravel. I got a picture of it. I had on crocs, and I took off my crop and I set it my heel of the crop in it. And the footprint's about four and a half inches. My crop measures twelve inches from the hills of the toe. I measured it with a ruler and about four inches past that is where the big toe ended on the footprint.

1:34:41 As I took one without it, you could see the depression. The depression in the loose gravel went down about an inch. On the other side of it was another footprint that had kind of slid in the gravel. And the odor that hitched you, Jeremiah, would have made you throw up. My husband said he didn't smell it, but that's nothing unusual. He had signed as issues. But my son and I both were out there going what is that? It is horrible? It was this just gut wrenching old urine smelled. It's the only way I can describe it, like you went into an old gas station that hadn't been cleaned in forever.

1:35:23 It was just horrid burn your eyes horrid. Then there looked like something had urinated a line out from that in the gravel. And I went inside and got a paper towel and picked one of the rocks up and it smelled as well, and put it back down. I didn't think about bagging it. I didn't think about doing anything. I was just shocked. The footprints we found heill marks from the edge of our grass, across the fresh gravel, just the hill. Impressed it got to that pile, then out into the front yard toward the chicken coop. We moved him out towards the apple trees. No chickens were harmed or messed with then. So immediately I got I text my friend Gregg again, got on the phone with him.

1:36:18 I was telling him what was going on, and I said, I can't I just can't believe this. And when we kept talking and talking, and we talked a long time, and I had my door open, the endor and it had started missing rain. Whatever that was that line that I said looked like something had urinated, like four foot stream of viewer and across there on the gravel did not go away when the rain hit it. It was still there. When the missing rain had wet all the gravel. So and I was telling him that. I said, does that mean it's like all you or something? I mean, you know, I'm ignorant here in some areas. I'm being honest.

1:37:01 I was like, wouldn't it if it had been a human urine it would have washed off of them? Right? It didn't stay there, It just got darker when the other hit, when the you know, the misty sprinkles whatever you don'na call it rain hit. Well, we were talking and I said, you know, I hear something on my ramp. I have a handicap ramp built to my door. And I said, I hear something on the round. But I didn't jump up then and go look. But while I was talking to him, I yelled at my son. I said, you need to get the dogs in. And he was like, I don't want to go out there by myself. That thing's been in the yard. I don't want to go out there. So he said, tell him to take a bright light and go out there. So he opens the door, goes out with a light, goes out there and gets the dogs. Comes back. I go out on the ramp.

1:37:53 I turn around and there on the ramp as a footprint. It's not like the toes in the hill, you know, like a solid footprint. But you could see what if you could imagine like wet hair, you know, stringy, you know how you can sling them off on the floor and it leaves those marks. That's what it looked like on the ramp. It had been I almost get choked up thinking about this. It had been standing within three feet of my screen door while I was on the phone. This is all in the same night. We now have an extremely bright light out there, but we're still getting pebble strown at the end of the house, or rocks or sticks. There is a three foot stick out there now that I saw yesterday that wasn't out there before.

1:38:55 Like it's maybe an inch in diameter. That's probably hit the house where it is about four feet from the house. So I've expressed it to them. I'm concerned that this one is more I don't want to use the word aggressive, inquisitive. Would that be a good term. I'd say it was not for sure. Yeah, yeah, Well, my son has been afraid to go out at night to get the dogs out of their kennel. The kennel's kind of halfway between the house and the woods, and a few nights later he was like, I don't want to go out there, and I said, I'll go with you. So he had the light, the one that you know, the bright one. I was right behind him, within two feet of him. He went out, stepped on the ramp, turned around, almost ran over me. He said, Mama, that thing is at the corner of the dog kennel.

1:39:56 Its head is above there are those six x ten panels. He said, it's head is above. It's on the tree side. He said, it's heads above the dog kennel. And it just took off running. He said, I'm not going to get the dogs. I said, well, you've got to go get them, because I don't want them left out there, you know, with it in the yard. But if he came up to the corner of the dog kennel, then we found the dog kennel was on that side was pulled about three feet at the top. It didn't then the you know where the panels going together. It was pulled probably three feet towards the woods. Well, the whole panel was pulled three feet or towards the woods, like it was trying to figure out how to get into it. Yeah, right, And then we came home from church the Sunday after that and the side closest to the house was leaning in towards the dogs. So a lady and Tennessee said, well, the time of year it is, it may be looking for some food. So that is other than here in the little pebbles. I mean that pretty much brings us up to where we're at now. We've been listening, and I take that back. We burnt some things of the night at dusk, and we Jeffrey and I both watched it on the camera. It was down behind the tree,

1:41:28 peeking up from behind the tree while he was burning. All right, Sandra, this is this is what wild? Yeah, it's wild. In the last we have a few minutes left, but I really want to talk about this real. So are you watching this security camera on a like a phone? Yes? Okay, So what phone do you have? Well, at the time that I was trying to do screenshots, yeah, I had a Samsung Galaxy S twenty four, not a nicer phone, but I'm used to an iPhone and I couldn't figure out how to get my screenshots. And I finally my husband that night that I did get some screenshots.

1:42:20 He said, you got to push this and this and you get your screenshots. So I think I got five and one of them, like I said, I mentioned in Spencer Jamison cleaned up and got a pretty good backside of one of that one. And then I now, as of last week, I'm back to an iPhone. Okay, so I'm. Kind of excited about that because I can handle it better. And if I see it on the camera again, and then Greg suggested that if I see the if I see it back there again, to take my son's phone, which I think is a pretty good idea and film it off my phone. That's pretty much what I was going to say. Or you should be able to on your own iPhone. We slide down and do a screen recording of what's on your screen so you can get the victual video either way.

1:43:11 Yeah, I can do that now on that You're right, You're right. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. Oh man, but I haven't had I haven't had the phone. I haven't had any activities since we got the phone's changed back, so none that I've caught anyway. But I mean, this is just and the stick structures that I mentioned earlier have ramped up. There was like four or five over there six months ago, and now there's probably twelve thirteen. And there's also a blind that I got a picture of that's over there. Oh man, this just blows my mind. I have some people that say they're going to come. I don't want. I don't really want these people that want to. They say they want to investigate, but then they come armed to the hilt and you know what they want. I don't want them to bother them because everybody always says, what do you think they are? And I said, I think there's some form of human. I said, I don't really think they're a gorilla because I looked too closely in its face.

1:44:17 I just don't. I just don't think. So. I don't believe that they have portals. I don't believe they transport. I don't believe all that. But I do think that they probably have abilities you and I don't, because they've survived in the wild along you know, they know how to they know how to camouflage, they know how to hide behind things. You know, they possess those abilities. And I do believe that, but I don't want. I just don't want somebody to come here. Hunting them, let's put it that way. I don't absolutely And that's important for you to know as the landowner, and you can hopefully keep those certain individuals from coming on to your property, you know.

1:45:04 And I've had a neighbor in the past that saw them come across my property and onto the neighbor's property. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? Well, he watched them at night. I forgot to mention that. And he would sit out and smoke late at night. He was a renter and he would sit on the porch and smoke. And he said, I hate to bring this up, but he said, you don't think I'm crazy. I said, no, I don't think you're crazy. He said it's huge. It's black, but he didn't describe it as being real wide. He just said it was tall. I think it's the younger one. I keep saying it's a younger one because we've seen a smaller footprint and then we see the larger footprint. I think we've had one that's kind of grown up around somewhere close by. Then my other neighbor, a neighbor Hicks Tooby, said that she thought that there was a cave down on the back side of their property, but it gets so steep that they just don't walk down there, and we don't walk down there either because it's so steep. It's going towards the creek. So I said, well, I don't know. You know, we have limestone outcroppings all around here, and there's bluffs and stuff, so you don't know, and you don't know what comes up the creek from the larger area either.

1:46:32 Oh man, miss Sandra, this you've got some wild stuff going on. It has been just an intense conversation with you. You've got some stuff going on. Thankfully you're talking to people at Spencer and Greg and Misty where that really know the down South Bigfoot and the Booger action. And I know that you've been. People can also watch your interviews over on the Woodwalker's channel, which is awesome. I love it. But yeah, please keep me, you know, in the loop, but keep them in the loop first. I mean, they're the boots on the ground guys down there. Well, you know, I called I told Greg, he looks a lot like my brother that passed away in twenty seventeen, So I call him, I tell him he's a brother from another mother. But you know, when something happens, I'm like Greg, right, because I'm panicking. But this has just been a while, six months, you know, since when we saw that one in November or not quite six months, but yeah, since the first of the year. Because normally December January it's quiet. That's why I'm saying this is a different one. It's quiet, and it just disturbs me that it doesn't have a problem coming up to the door the house. And it did come up with the bright light. Once the light was up, it came up.

1:47:56 So hey, yeah, you know, I don't want to say aggressive, but like I said, inquisitive, like you said, curious. So I guess it remains to me seen if it goes away or if it keeps hanging around, or what's going to happen. Yeah, you guys are okay, just just be aware of keep being aware of what's going on, and keep in touch with with Greg for sure. But yeah, miss Andrew, thank you so much for chatting today, and I hope we will stay in touch. But uh yeah, oh, I'll be glad to keep you. I'll send your text once in a while that you know what's going on. Thank you so much pleasure talking to you today and good luck. Thank here, Thanks for hearing me, hearing the hearing my experiences.

1:48:39 It's nice to be able to talk to somebody that didn't say, oh, well, you're just an. Idiot, so definitely not. Yes, ma'am, all right, we will we'll talk later, all. Right, all right, thanks Karma, thank you. Just want to take a minute to say thank you truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Sandra's story is the kind that lingers, not just because of how close that window encounter was, but because of how long it's followed her from that first face to face moment at thirteen to footprints, handprints, and stripped peach trees decades later. It's clear that something in those Alabama woods never left. Huge thanks to Sandra for bravely sharing what she saw and continuing the conversation that so many are afraid to start. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to us on YouTube click that bell so you never miss an encounter, and share this with someone who loves a good mystery, especially if they're from the South.

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